From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 02:04:38 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:04:38 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT-AVAYA Auto-Attendent In-Reply-To: <4A4A8F02.23481.1D8A975A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <38c884770906292356j4fae0225mb368e197027db9c2@mail.gmail.com>, <4A49CAB3.700.1A8BC01E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4a4a38f4.0a04d00a.4302.3684@mx.google.com> <4A4A8F02.23481.1D8A975A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4a4b0a8b.0508d00a.40d4.fffffa9e@mx.google.com> Yes, i didn't know which, so I posted both. As I say, one OR the other should work Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 30 June 2009 23:18 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT-AVAYA Auto-Attendent That's needed if PayNo is a string. If it is numeric, you don't want the single quotes in there. On 30 Jun 2009 at 17:10, Max Wanadoo wrote: > ..or.. > > strSQL = "SELECT PayNo " & _ > "FROM OurPersonnelTable " & > WHERE PayNo = '" & $KEY & "';" > > I have put two single quotes within the string to delimit $Key. Either this > or Stuart's posting should work > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 30 June 2009 09:20 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT-AVAYA Auto-Attendent > > It;s looking for a PayNo which consists of the string "$Key" > > build your string as: > > strSQL = "SELECT PayNo " & _ > "FROM OurPersonnelTable " & > WHERE PayNo = " & $KEY & ";" > > -- > Stuart > > On 30 Jun 2009 at 7:56, Paul Hartland wrote: > > > To all, > > > > Sorry for the OT, but didn't know where to post this. We have AVAYA > > telephone systems, and an auto-attendent manager (think it's called > > VoiceMail Pro Client). Where we can setup a number, then the user gets > the > > pre-recorded messages, with options etc, bit like most auto-mated call > > centres. > > > > I have a number, which when dialled will ask me for a payrol number, it > then > > repeats the payroll number. I then open a coonection to our employees > > database, and have a simple select query like below : > > > > SELECT PayNo > > FROM OurPersonnelTable > > WHERE (PayNo = "$KEY") ; > > > > The payroll number I am entering is a dummy one, which has a record setup > > for my details (PayNo 999999), But the select for some reason is always > > failing. > > > > Anyone had any experience of this, and could point me to reference > > sites/manuals etc > > > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Paul Hartland > > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com Wed Jul 1 07:23:01 2009 From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:23:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Skill Zones Message-ID: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com> Hey All It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a bone head works on a holiday." Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried fun stuff, downloads, articles and archive. Thanks Tony From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 1 07:34:59 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:34:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com> Message-ID: <4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> Just go to that link included in his email. that takes you to a web page full of "advertisements". Scroll down a few pages. You will see a graph kind of picture, not really readable. That is it. you can then download a PDF from a link in that section. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a bone > head works on a holiday." > Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. > Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried fun > stuff, downloads, articles and archive. > > Thanks > Tony From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com Wed Jul 1 07:57:34 2009 From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:57:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com> Hey John Thanks. Found it. Tough chart. jwcolby wrote: >Just go to that link included in his email. that takes you to a web page full of "advertisements". > Scroll down a few pages. You will see a graph kind of picture, not really readable. That is it. > you can then download a PDF from a link in that section. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > > >Tony Septav wrote: > > >>Hey All >>It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a bone >>head works on a holiday." >>Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. >>Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried fun >>stuff, downloads, articles and archive. >> >>Thanks >>Tony >> >> From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Jul 1 08:34:07 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:34:07 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com> Message-ID: Hi Tony Ok - I have to ask - what make this a 'Tough Chart'? Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:58 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Hey John Thanks. Found it. Tough chart. jwcolby wrote: >Just go to that link included in his email. that takes you to a web page full of "advertisements". > Scroll down a few pages. You will see a graph kind of picture, not really readable. That is it. > you can then download a PDF from a link in that section. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > > >Tony Septav wrote: > > >>Hey All >>It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a bone >>head works on a holiday." >>Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. >>Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried fun >>stuff, downloads, articles and archive. >> >>Thanks >>Tony >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 1 08:49:34 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:49:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access I love it In-Reply-To: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> Message-ID: <4A4B696E.60106@colbyconsulting.com> Tony, What do you mean by "user's program"? Obviously Access is a very powerful Rapid Application Development environment. Can a user develop an Application? The short answer is sure, given the smarts any user can do what we do. The long answer is... how long did it take for you to get good at application development? It took me years of doing nothing else. Users generally have a "job" in the organization which is not usually application development. I have users who develop reports and even forms. Some add fields to tables, though I discourage that simply because the average user isn't thinking about normalization. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Tony Septav wrote: > Hey All > Often Access totally surprises me. I have an application that uses split > screens and 3 synched timer forms. The idea was to allow management to > input/update data and it would be displayed to the employees on the > floor. Initially I ran into problems with the timers and what Windows > was running in the background. Brought in a friend of mine who is a > hardware/software guru. He turned a lot of stuff off. Since then the app > has been running flawlessly for 7 months now and everyone is happy. > They visually have the information they need. > My point > Is Access a User's program or a true Developer's program? From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com Wed Jul 1 08:55:56 2009 From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:55:56 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com> Message-ID: <4A4B6AEC.5020906@nanaimo.ark.com> Hey Dan I just barely make it out of the pink zone. Just kidding, it is pretty concise, I guess I better get to learnin SQL Server. Tony Dan Waters wrote: >Hi Tony > >Ok - I have to ask - what make this a 'Tough Chart'? > >Thanks! >Dan > >-----Original Message----- >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav >Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:58 AM >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > >Hey John >Thanks. Found it. >Tough chart. > >jwcolby wrote: > > > >>Just go to that link included in his email. that takes you to a web page >> >> >full of "advertisements". > > >> Scroll down a few pages. You will see a graph kind of picture, not >> >> >really readable. That is it. > > >> you can then download a PDF from a link in that section. >> >>John W. Colby >>www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >>Tony Septav wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>Hey All >>>It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a bone >>>head works on a holiday." >>>Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. >>>Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried fun >>>stuff, downloads, articles and archive. >>> >>>Thanks >>>Tony >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > From adtp at airtelmail.in Wed Jul 1 08:55:04 2009 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:25:04 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function References: <29f585dd0906230824o50d32559s98c18f33cdba98a2@mail.gmail.com><1544F6E808F6440CA30AF993BC66B429@Mattys><29f585dd0906230904t1fa80d45wbe046f7a4b3c56ea@mail.gmail.com><001d01c9f577$431765d0$ed60a27a@personald6374f> Message-ID: <009001c9fa53$bcc66d00$7b5ea27a@personald6374f> This refers to my post of 27-Jun-2009, placed below. While response from William is awaited, it would be nice if other members of this forum could also kindly conduct a test and confirm whether any success with using CallByName() function where the called procedure / function is in a general module. Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: A.D.Tejpal To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 11:07 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function William, The test db is in Access 2000 file format running on Access 2003 installation. Converting it to Access 2003 file format does not make any difference. The called function and procedure are public. All the methods (Run, Eval and CallByName) require that the called function / procedure should be public (even if located within the module holding the calling code). Called function / procedure (public) - located in general module: (Error 438) ========================================== When public function / procedure located in a general module is called via CallByName function using the following syntax, it attracts error 438: CallByName Modules("<>"), _ "<>", VbMethod Note - The called procedure is a simple one - merely displaying a message. ========================================== Called function / procedure (public) - located in class module: (Works OK) ========================================== All the following statements are found to work smoothly: (a) Called proc is in the same form: CallByName Me, "<>", VbMethod (b) Called proc is in another form: CallByName Forms("<>"), _ "<>", VbMethod (c) Called proc is in a class: CallByName PointerToClassObject, _ "<>", VbMethod ========================================== Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: William Hindman To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 02:21 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function A.D. ...are you using A2k3? ...is the function public? William -------------------------------------------------- From: "A.D.Tejpal" Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:27 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function > William, > > It appears that the procedure / function called by CallByName() > function has to be in a class module. Could you kindly verify again > whether it works successfully for procedures / functions contained in > general modules ? > > I am getting error 438 in such a case. > > Best wishes, > A.D. Tejpal > ------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Hindman > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 23:21 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function > > Arthur > > ...from my treeview menu I use either of the following in a select > statement > 'call a function from a module, "strObjectName" is from my > tblSwitchboard > CallByName modules("mdlMenuFunctions"), strObjectName, > VbMethod > > 'call a sub from the switchboard form module itself > CallByName CodeContextObject, strObjectName, VbMethod, > strObjectAddtnl > > ...hth > William From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 1 08:59:26 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:59:26 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com> Message-ID: <4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> Dan, It is a very good chart. There are so many aspects of Access that very few developers really get around to using all of them. Thus it FEELS like you aren't up there where we would all like to be, the Professional section. As an example, I don't do charts. No one has asked for them, they probably do their own through Excel. Dynamic screen formation, DEFINITELY not there. Read data from ERP system, not there. I would add import / export data from mainframes (I am definitely there). You get the point. Now I understand that if you do ANY of these things, and in particular if you do several or many of them then you are up there in the Professional section, but there are just so many that I have never done that it FEELS intimidating. In fact it is more a matter of "just never needed to go there". John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Tony > > Ok - I have to ask - what make this a 'Tough Chart'? > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:58 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Hey John > Thanks. Found it. > Tough chart. > > jwcolby wrote: > >> Just go to that link included in his email. that takes you to a web page > full of "advertisements". >> Scroll down a few pages. You will see a graph kind of picture, not > really readable. That is it. >> you can then download a PDF from a link in that section. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Tony Septav wrote: >> >> >>> Hey All >>> It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a bone >>> head works on a holiday." >>> Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. >>> Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried fun >>> stuff, downloads, articles and archive. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Tony >>> >>> > From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com Wed Jul 1 09:35:58 2009 From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:35:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access I love it In-Reply-To: <4A4B696E.60106@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B696E.60106@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A4B744E.6030808@nanaimo.ark.com> Hey John I am agreeing with many of the points you made the other day (God help me). Let's not get into ribbons again. I consider Access to be more of a developer's program than a user's program. Most Office users haven't got a clue what Access does or how to do it, that is why we see so many users using EXCEL to perform activities that are really database specific (and they have reams of worksheets to show for their efforts). I am saddened when I see strong support for the developers lacking. I consider Access (kind of hate to be saying it) an excellent development program. And at times I want to "spit" whenever I hear other developers saying "Access! that is just a toy". In my many years (and you and I have been on this list a long long time) I have developed what I consider to be some pretty powerful applications using Access. I have looked at what some of the "big boys" have developed and in many cases they truly lack the vibrancy of an Access application. I can see MS's point of trying to create a product that all user's will feel comfortable with (marketing, marketing) but please don't do it at the expense of your loyal developer's. Just give us what we need. jwcolby wrote: >Tony, > >What do you mean by "user's program"? Obviously Access is a very powerful Rapid Application >Development environment. Can a user develop an Application? The short answer is sure, given the >smarts any user can do what we do. The long answer is... how long did it take for you to get good >at application development? It took me years of doing nothing else. Users generally have a "job" >in the organization which is not usually application development. > >I have users who develop reports and even forms. Some add fields to tables, though I discourage >that simply because the average user isn't thinking about normalization. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > > >Tony Septav wrote: > > >>Hey All >>Often Access totally surprises me. I have an application that uses split >>screens and 3 synched timer forms. The idea was to allow management to >>input/update data and it would be displayed to the employees on the >>floor. Initially I ran into problems with the timers and what Windows >>was running in the background. Brought in a friend of mine who is a >>hardware/software guru. He turned a lot of stuff off. Since then the app >>has been running flawlessly for 7 months now and everyone is happy. >>They visually have the information they need. >>My point >>Is Access a User's program or a true Developer's program? >> >> From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Wed Jul 1 09:45:43 2009 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:45:43 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function In-Reply-To: <009001c9fa53$bcc66d00$7b5ea27a@personald6374f> References: <29f585dd0906230824o50d32559s98c18f33cdba98a2@mail.gmail.com><1544F6E808F6440CA30AF993BC66B429@Mattys><29f585dd0906230904t1fa80d45wbe046f7a4b3c56ea@mail.gmail.com><001d01c9f577$431765d0$ed60a27a@personald6374f> <009001c9fa53$bcc66d00$7b5ea27a@personald6374f> Message-ID: <008601c9fa5a$9e89c740$db9d55c0$@spb.ru> Hi A.D., I suppose CallByName will not work for standard/general modules' subs/functions as CallByName is based (I guess) on COM IDispatch interface's Invoke(...) method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDispatch) and IDispatch interface is implemented in MS Access/VBA only for custom classes' modules, which are instantiated internally as COM objects. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 5:55 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function This refers to my post of 27-Jun-2009, placed below. While response from William is awaited, it would be nice if other members of this forum could also kindly conduct a test and confirm whether any success with using CallByName() function where the called procedure / function is in a general module. Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: A.D.Tejpal To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 11:07 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function William, The test db is in Access 2000 file format running on Access 2003 installation. Converting it to Access 2003 file format does not make any difference. The called function and procedure are public. All the methods (Run, Eval and CallByName) require that the called function / procedure should be public (even if located within the module holding the calling code). Called function / procedure (public) - located in general module: (Error 438) ========================================== When public function / procedure located in a general module is called via CallByName function using the following syntax, it attracts error 438: CallByName Modules("<>"), _ "<>", VbMethod Note - The called procedure is a simple one - merely displaying a message. ========================================== Called function / procedure (public) - located in class module: (Works OK) ========================================== All the following statements are found to work smoothly: (a) Called proc is in the same form: CallByName Me, "<>", VbMethod (b) Called proc is in another form: CallByName Forms("<>"), _ "<>", VbMethod (c) Called proc is in a class: CallByName PointerToClassObject, _ "<>", VbMethod ========================================== Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: William Hindman To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 02:21 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function A.D. ...are you using A2k3? ...is the function public? William -------------------------------------------------- From: "A.D.Tejpal" Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:27 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function > William, > > It appears that the procedure / function called by CallByName() > function has to be in a class module. Could you kindly verify again > whether it works successfully for procedures / functions contained in > general modules ? > > I am getting error 438 in such a case. > > Best wishes, > A.D. Tejpal > ------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Hindman > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 23:21 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function > > Arthur > > ...from my treeview menu I use either of the following in a select > statement > 'call a function from a module, "strObjectName" is from my > tblSwitchboard > CallByName modules("mdlMenuFunctions"), strObjectName, > VbMethod > > 'call a sub from the switchboard form module itself > CallByName CodeContextObject, strObjectName, VbMethod, > strObjectAddtnl > > ...hth > William -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4204 (20090701) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Jul 1 09:56:30 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:56:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] EatBloat Version 5 Update Status Message-ID: <3638AFA2B80E4B938F9AD84CA425CD10@danwaters> Hi Folks! I wanted to provide some status on how this update is going so far. The core of Max's form is great - export objects to text and bring those text files back as objects clean of problems (Bloat!). These are the changes I'm working on: - From the form, you can choose the current database or a different database to export objects from. And you can choose the current database or a different database to import objects into. The current database will be listed as the default. - The export folder will be created using the current date and time in it's title. This ensures that you'll have a new folder and new files each time you do an export. - On the form, I am adding a 2nd listbox. The left listbox will show the objects you can select from (one type at a time). The right listbox will show the objects you have selected. All objects in both listboxes will be sorted alphanumerically. (I found great code for this at: http://blog.msvba.com/2008/02/sorting-listbox-items-alphabetically.html) - You'll be able to move individual objects from one list to another by double-clicking. You'll be able to move multiple objects from one list to the other by first selecting, then pushing a button. - The selected objects will all be exported into the same folder. They will have name prefixes like 'FORM!' or 'MODULE!'. Then when you import the files back in, you'll be able to select all of them at once, or just some. The database will know which file is of which type by the name prefix of the text file. - Because there are two listboxes, I can change the radio buttons to just two buttons for each object type. For example, there will be an 'All Forms' button and a 'Select Forms' button. - For tables, you can select to export them as XLS, XLM, or CSV format. - I'm removing Data Access Pages from the choices of objects. - Per one of Max's notes, you probably should export only tables, not a table that is linked to the one you're working in. So, I'm also removing the option to export a table from a different database that is linked to the one you're exporting from. This is appropriate because this form will now let you work with a different database anyway. Well - this is more stuff than I thought I'd be getting into. I've worked on it for a few days, and I think that several days are left. Starting next week, I have a 1 - 2 week job, so this will probably be ready a few weeks from now. If I've made any major omissions or errors - let me know! Thanks! Dan From dkalsow at yahoo.com Wed Jul 1 10:16:55 2009 From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Message-ID: <594348.94524.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Good Morning Everyone, ? Several years ago there was a relinker that checked and if needed relinked the frontend of an acess database to the backend.? Does anyone know if that has been modified to work with the current version of Access and if so where I can get a copy? ? Thanks! ? Dale From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Jul 1 10:17:17 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:17:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: John, How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only needed that one. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Dan, It is a very good chart. There are so many aspects of Access that very few developers really get around to using all of them. Thus it FEELS like you aren't up there where we would all like to be, the Professional section. As an example, I don't do charts. No one has asked for them, they probably do their own through Excel. Dynamic screen formation, DEFINITELY not there. Read data from ERP system, not there. I would add import / export data from mainframes (I am definitely there). You get the point. Now I understand that if you do ANY of these things, and in particular if you do several or many of them then you are up there in the Professional section, but there are just so many that I have never done that it FEELS intimidating. In fact it is more a matter of "just never needed to go there". John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Tony > > Ok - I have to ask - what make this a 'Tough Chart'? > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:58 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Hey John > Thanks. Found it. > Tough chart. > > jwcolby wrote: > >> Just go to that link included in his email. that takes you to a web page > full of "advertisements". >> Scroll down a few pages. You will see a graph kind of picture, not > really readable. That is it. >> you can then download a PDF from a link in that section. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Tony Septav wrote: >> >> >>> Hey All >>> It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a bone >>> head works on a holiday." >>> Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. >>> Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried fun >>> stuff, downloads, articles and archive. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Tony >>> >>> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Wed Jul 1 10:22:16 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:22:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need for one! LOL Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones John, How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only needed that one. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Dan, It is a very good chart. There are so many aspects of Access that very few developers really get around to using all of them. Thus it FEELS like you aren't up there where we would all like to be, the Professional section. As an example, I don't do charts. No one has asked for them, they probably do their own through Excel. Dynamic screen formation, DEFINITELY not there. Read data from ERP system, not there. I would add import / export data from mainframes (I am definitely there). You get the point. Now I understand that if you do ANY of these things, and in particular if you do several or many of them then you are up there in the Professional section, but there are just so many that I have never done that it FEELS intimidating. In fact it is more a matter of "just never needed to go there". John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Tony > > Ok - I have to ask - what make this a 'Tough Chart'? > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:58 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Hey John > Thanks. Found it. > Tough chart. > > jwcolby wrote: > >> Just go to that link included in his email. that takes you to a web >> page > full of "advertisements". >> Scroll down a few pages. You will see a graph kind of picture, not > really readable. That is it. >> you can then download a PDF from a link in that section. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Tony Septav wrote: >> >> >>> Hey All >>> It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a >>> bone head works on a holiday." >>> Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. >>> Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried >>> fun stuff, downloads, articles and archive. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Tony >>> >>> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 10:28:19 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:28:19 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] EatBloat Version 5 Update Status In-Reply-To: <3638AFA2B80E4B938F9AD84CA425CD10@danwaters> References: <3638AFA2B80E4B938F9AD84CA425CD10@danwaters> Message-ID: <4a4b8097.1701d00a.47ab.2bd9@mx.google.com> All I would say is thank you very much. It sounds great. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 01 July 2009 15:57 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] EatBloat Version 5 Update Status Hi Folks! I wanted to provide some status on how this update is going so far. The core of Max's form is great - export objects to text and bring those text files back as objects clean of problems (Bloat!). These are the changes I'm working on: - From the form, you can choose the current database or a different database to export objects from. And you can choose the current database or a different database to import objects into. The current database will be listed as the default. - The export folder will be created using the current date and time in it's title. This ensures that you'll have a new folder and new files each time you do an export. - On the form, I am adding a 2nd listbox. The left listbox will show the objects you can select from (one type at a time). The right listbox will show the objects you have selected. All objects in both listboxes will be sorted alphanumerically. (I found great code for this at: http://blog.msvba.com/2008/02/sorting-listbox-items-alphabetically.html) - You'll be able to move individual objects from one list to another by double-clicking. You'll be able to move multiple objects from one list to the other by first selecting, then pushing a button. - The selected objects will all be exported into the same folder. They will have name prefixes like 'FORM!' or 'MODULE!'. Then when you import the files back in, you'll be able to select all of them at once, or just some. The database will know which file is of which type by the name prefix of the text file. - Because there are two listboxes, I can change the radio buttons to just two buttons for each object type. For example, there will be an 'All Forms' button and a 'Select Forms' button. - For tables, you can select to export them as XLS, XLM, or CSV format. - I'm removing Data Access Pages from the choices of objects. - Per one of Max's notes, you probably should export only tables, not a table that is linked to the one you're working in. So, I'm also removing the option to export a table from a different database that is linked to the one you're exporting from. This is appropriate because this form will now let you work with a different database anyway. Well - this is more stuff than I thought I'd be getting into. I've worked on it for a few days, and I think that several days are left. Starting next week, I have a 1 - 2 week job, so this will probably be ready a few weeks from now. If I've made any major omissions or errors - let me know! Thanks! Dan -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From sbamber at hss.com Wed Jul 1 10:30:58 2009 From: sbamber at hss.com (Simon Bamber) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:30:58 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] : Access I love it Message-ID: <05D396DAB16E924384091182F16B4EA009B50827@exchange2.hss.co.uk> Hello All, I have been creating database solutions since Access2 (excluding of Access95) over the last 20 years and have fixed many a users attempt at a database application, so much so that in the end, I was tasked with providing in-house training at one point and now have an Access administrator per office who is trained up to Amber status (user frontline and basic resolutions). We went through the stage of banning Access which created the user solutions built with Excel and Word that IT was constantly called upon to fix so a rethink was in order. Access was re-introduced on the basis that IT developed (with user guidance), Office administrators were created as frontline support (users took some ownership) and all solutions where built to run in the runtime environment only and implemented as MDEs or ADEs front-ends. MDB back-end databases were then evaluated over time and converted to SQL databases. I then took to converting the front-ends where needed to .Net and/or web applications for future deployment. Access is a good conceptual design platform where can get something out to the user while being left alone to create a final solution. Access is also good for tweaking designs prior to the final project solution and getting users to start preparing data in a way needed for uploading into a SQL environment. If I could only have one tool to take on the road, it would be Access as upsizing is a breeze later. So far as bad designs go from past users, they have saved me loads of money in puzzle books over the years... 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Registered office: 25 Willow Lane, Mitcham, Surrey, CR4 4TS, United Kingdom. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: 01 July 2009 15:36 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access I love it Hey John I am agreeing with many of the points you made the other day (God help me). Let's not get into ribbons again. I consider Access to be more of a developer's program than a user's program. Most Office users haven't got a clue what Access does or how to do it, that is why we see so many users using EXCEL to perform activities that are really database specific (and they have reams of worksheets to show for their efforts). I am saddened when I see strong support for the developers lacking. I consider Access (kind of hate to be saying it) an excellent development program. And at times I want to "spit" whenever I hear other developers saying "Access! that is just a toy". In my many years (and you and I have been on this list a long long time) I have developed what I consider to be some pretty powerful applications using Access. I have looked at what some of the "big boys" have developed and in many cases they truly lack the vibrancy of an Access application. I can see MS's point of trying to create a product that all user's will feel comfortable with (marketing, marketing) but please don't do it at the expense of your loyal developer's. Just give us what we need. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 10:34:57 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:34:57 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access I love it In-Reply-To: <4A4B744E.6030808@nanaimo.ark.com> References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B696E.60106@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B744E.6030808@nanaimo.ark.com> Message-ID: <4a4b8226.1701d00a.11b9.1578@mx.google.com> The reason, I have found, that users like Excel is because they can SEE the data all in one go...all there in front of them. With a database you have to VISUALISE the effects of normalisation and table linking and variables and their contents/values. I have a Finance Dept who loved excel until the day came when she finally admitted that it had become so cumbersome with sheets linked to sheets linked to sheets that she finally admitted she needed a database (YEAH!) and could I help. Course I could. Once she had it, she never looked back and shortly after binned the cumbersome spreadsheets. Horses for courses. Excel is good for what it is designed for. It was not designed to replace a database. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: 01 July 2009 15:36 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access I love it Hey John I am agreeing with many of the points you made the other day (God help me). Let's not get into ribbons again. I consider Access to be more of a developer's program than a user's program. Most Office users haven't got a clue what Access does or how to do it, that is why we see so many users using EXCEL to perform activities that are really database specific (and they have reams of worksheets to show for their efforts). I am saddened when I see strong support for the developers lacking. I consider Access (kind of hate to be saying it) an excellent development program. And at times I want to "spit" whenever I hear other developers saying "Access! that is just a toy". In my many years (and you and I have been on this list a long long time) I have developed what I consider to be some pretty powerful applications using Access. I have looked at what some of the "big boys" have developed and in many cases they truly lack the vibrancy of an Access application. I can see MS's point of trying to create a product that all user's will feel comfortable with (marketing, marketing) but please don't do it at the expense of your loyal developer's. Just give us what we need. jwcolby wrote: >Tony, > >What do you mean by "user's program"? Obviously Access is a very powerful Rapid Application >Development environment. Can a user develop an Application? The short answer is sure, given the >smarts any user can do what we do. The long answer is... how long did it take for you to get good >at application development? It took me years of doing nothing else. Users generally have a "job" >in the organization which is not usually application development. > >I have users who develop reports and even forms. Some add fields to tables, though I discourage >that simply because the average user isn't thinking about normalization. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > > >Tony Septav wrote: > > >>Hey All >>Often Access totally surprises me. I have an application that uses split >>screens and 3 synched timer forms. The idea was to allow management to >>input/update data and it would be displayed to the employees on the >>floor. Initially I ran into problems with the timers and what Windows >>was running in the background. Brought in a friend of mine who is a >>hardware/software guru. He turned a lot of stuff off. Since then the app >>has been running flawlessly for 7 months now and everyone is happy. >>They visually have the information they need. >>My point >>Is Access a User's program or a true Developer's program? >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 10:37:02 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:37:02 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT need classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. Ignore the apple... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need for one! LOL Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones John, How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only needed that one. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Dan, It is a very good chart. There are so many aspects of Access that very few developers really get around to using all of them. Thus it FEELS like you aren't up there where we would all like to be, the Professional section. As an example, I don't do charts. No one has asked for them, they probably do their own through Excel. Dynamic screen formation, DEFINITELY not there. Read data from ERP system, not there. I would add import / export data from mainframes (I am definitely there). You get the point. Now I understand that if you do ANY of these things, and in particular if you do several or many of them then you are up there in the Professional section, but there are just so many that I have never done that it FEELS intimidating. In fact it is more a matter of "just never needed to go there". John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Tony > > Ok - I have to ask - what make this a 'Tough Chart'? > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:58 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Hey John > Thanks. Found it. > Tough chart. > > jwcolby wrote: > >> Just go to that link included in his email. that takes you to a web >> page > full of "advertisements". >> Scroll down a few pages. You will see a graph kind of picture, not > really readable. That is it. >> you can then download a PDF from a link in that section. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Tony Septav wrote: >> >> >>> Hey All >>> It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a >>> bone head works on a holiday." >>> Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. >>> Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried >>> fun stuff, downloads, articles and archive. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Tony >>> >>> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Wed Jul 1 11:07:53 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:07:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You can drive nails with a rock too, but a hammer works better and the result is much neater. ;P Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT need classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. Ignore the apple... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need for one! LOL Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones John, How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only needed that one. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Dan, It is a very good chart. There are so many aspects of Access that very few developers really get around to using all of them. Thus it FEELS like you aren't up there where we would all like to be, the Professional section. As an example, I don't do charts. No one has asked for them, they probably do their own through Excel. Dynamic screen formation, DEFINITELY not there. Read data from ERP system, not there. I would add import / export data from mainframes (I am definitely there). You get the point. Now I understand that if you do ANY of these things, and in particular if you do several or many of them then you are up there in the Professional section, but there are just so many that I have never done that it FEELS intimidating. In fact it is more a matter of "just never needed to go there". John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Tony > > Ok - I have to ask - what make this a 'Tough Chart'? > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:58 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Hey John > Thanks. Found it. > Tough chart. > > jwcolby wrote: > >> Just go to that link included in his email. that takes you to a web >> page > full of "advertisements". >> Scroll down a few pages. You will see a graph kind of picture, not > really readable. That is it. >> you can then download a PDF from a link in that section. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Tony Septav wrote: >> >> >>> Hey All >>> It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a >>> bone head works on a holiday." >>> Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. >>> Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried >>> fun stuff, downloads, articles and archive. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Tony >>> >>> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 1 11:30:51 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:30:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A4B8F3B.2040208@colbyconsulting.com> >I have to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only needed that one. Well, that is one more than most Access developers have written. ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Dan Waters wrote: > John, > > How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your > descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. > > You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a few > things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have to make a > confession - I've only written one class. But - I only needed that one. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:59 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Dan, > > It is a very good chart. > > There are so many aspects of Access that very few developers really get > around to using all of them. > Thus it FEELS like you aren't up there where we would all like to be, the > Professional section. > > As an example, I don't do charts. No one has asked for them, they probably > do their own through > Excel. Dynamic screen formation, DEFINITELY not there. Read data from ERP > system, not there. I > would add import / export data from mainframes (I am definitely there). > > You get the point. Now I understand that if you do ANY of these things, and > in particular if you do > several or many of them then you are up there in the Professional section, > but there are just so > many that I have never done that it FEELS intimidating. > > In fact it is more a matter of "just never needed to go there". > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Dan Waters wrote: >> Hi Tony >> >> Ok - I have to ask - what make this a 'Tough Chart'? >> >> Thanks! >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:58 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >> Hey John >> Thanks. Found it. >> Tough chart. >> >> jwcolby wrote: >> >>> Just go to that link included in his email. that takes you to a web page >> full of "advertisements". >>> Scroll down a few pages. You will see a graph kind of picture, not >> really readable. That is it. >>> you can then download a PDF from a link in that section. >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>> >>> >>> Tony Septav wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hey All >>>> It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a bone >>>> head works on a holiday." >>>> Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. >>>> Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried fun >>>> stuff, downloads, articles and archive. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Tony >>>> >>>> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 1 11:34:36 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:34:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] : Access I love it In-Reply-To: <05D396DAB16E924384091182F16B4EA009B50827@exchange2.hss.co.uk> References: <05D396DAB16E924384091182F16B4EA009B50827@exchange2.hss.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A4B901C.70401@colbyconsulting.com> >> So far as bad designs go from past users, they have saved me loads of money in puzzle books over the years... ROTFLMAO. I never thought of it quite that way. I generally do an analysis, and determine whether it would be cheaper to rewrite or fix. It generally not not always ends up cheaper to rewrite. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Simon Bamber wrote: > Hello All, > > I have been creating database solutions since Access2 (excluding of > Access95) over the last 20 years and have fixed many a users attempt at > a database application, so much so that in the end, I was tasked with > providing in-house training at one point and now have an Access > administrator per office who is trained up to Amber status (user > frontline and basic resolutions). > > We went through the stage of banning Access which created the user > solutions built with Excel and Word that IT was constantly called upon > to fix so a rethink was in order. > > Access was re-introduced on the basis that IT developed (with user > guidance), Office administrators were created as frontline support > (users took some ownership) and all solutions where built to run in the > runtime environment only and implemented as MDEs or ADEs front-ends. > > MDB back-end databases were then evaluated over time and converted to > SQL databases. > > I then took to converting the front-ends where needed to .Net and/or web > applications for future deployment. > > Access is a good conceptual design platform where can get something out > to the user while being left alone to create a final solution. > > Access is also good for tweaking designs prior to the final project > solution and getting users to start preparing data in a way needed for > uploading into a SQL environment. > > If I could only have one tool to take on the road, it would be Access as > upsizing is a breeze later. > > So far as bad designs go from past users, they have saved me loads of > money in puzzle books over the years... > > Simon Bamber > > Analyst Programmer > > > HIRE COMPANY OF THE YEAR 2009 > This message, and any associated files, are intended only for the use of the message recipient and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitute a trade secret. If you are not the message recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and then deleting it from your computer. HSS Hire Service Group Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of sbamber at hss.com and do not necessarily represent those of the company. > HSS Hire Service Group is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 644490. > Registered office: 25 Willow Lane, Mitcham, Surrey, CR4 4TS, United Kingdom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: 01 July 2009 15:36 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access I love it > > Hey John > I am agreeing with many of the points you made the other day (God help > me). Let's not get into ribbons again. I consider Access to be more of > a developer's program than a user's program. Most Office users haven't > got a clue what Access does or how to do it, that is why we see so many > users using EXCEL to perform activities that are really database > specific (and they have reams of worksheets to show for their efforts). > I am saddened when I see strong support for the developers lacking. I > consider Access (kind of hate to be saying it) an excellent development > > program. And at times I want to "spit" whenever I hear other developers > saying "Access! that is just a toy". In my many years (and you and I > have been on this list a long long time) I have developed what I > consider to be some pretty powerful applications using Access. I have > looked at what some of the "big boys" have developed and in many cases > they truly lack the vibrancy of an Access application. I can see MS's > point of trying to create a product that all user's will feel > comfortable with (marketing, marketing) but please don't do it at the > expense of your loyal developer's. Just give us what we need. > > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 11:34:42 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:34:42 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4A4B8F3B.2040208@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B8F3B.2040208@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a4b9025.0702d00a.1645.ffffe7d7@mx.google.com> ..because most access developers don't need them.... I know, you and Susan and Ms Purist will now gang up on me...Forget it, I give in...I made my point. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 01 July 2009 17:31 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >I have to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only needed that one. Well, that is one more than most Access developers have written. ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Dan Waters wrote: > John, > > How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your > descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. > > You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a few > things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have to make a > confession - I've only written one class. But - I only needed that one. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:59 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Dan, > > It is a very good chart. > > There are so many aspects of Access that very few developers really get > around to using all of them. > Thus it FEELS like you aren't up there where we would all like to be, the > Professional section. > > As an example, I don't do charts. No one has asked for them, they probably > do their own through > Excel. Dynamic screen formation, DEFINITELY not there. Read data from ERP > system, not there. I > would add import / export data from mainframes (I am definitely there). > > You get the point. Now I understand that if you do ANY of these things, and > in particular if you do > several or many of them then you are up there in the Professional section, > but there are just so > many that I have never done that it FEELS intimidating. > > In fact it is more a matter of "just never needed to go there". > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Dan Waters wrote: >> Hi Tony >> >> Ok - I have to ask - what make this a 'Tough Chart'? >> >> Thanks! >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:58 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >> Hey John >> Thanks. Found it. >> Tough chart. >> >> jwcolby wrote: >> >>> Just go to that link included in his email. that takes you to a web page >> full of "advertisements". >>> Scroll down a few pages. You will see a graph kind of picture, not >> really readable. That is it. >>> you can then download a PDF from a link in that section. >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>> >>> >>> Tony Septav wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hey All >>>> It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a bone >>>> head works on a holiday." >>>> Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. >>>> Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried fun >>>> stuff, downloads, articles and archive. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Tony >>>> >>>> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 11:30:02 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:30:02 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a4b8f0f.1c07d00a.046e.ffff9352@mx.google.com> You can paint them with nail varnish too, but underneath they are still nails... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 01 July 2009 17:08 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones You can drive nails with a rock too, but a hammer works better and the result is much neater. ;P Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT need classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. Ignore the apple... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need for one! LOL Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones John, How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only needed that one. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Dan, It is a very good chart. There are so many aspects of Access that very few developers really get around to using all of them. Thus it FEELS like you aren't up there where we would all like to be, the Professional section. As an example, I don't do charts. No one has asked for them, they probably do their own through Excel. Dynamic screen formation, DEFINITELY not there. Read data from ERP system, not there. I would add import / export data from mainframes (I am definitely there). You get the point. Now I understand that if you do ANY of these things, and in particular if you do several or many of them then you are up there in the Professional section, but there are just so many that I have never done that it FEELS intimidating. In fact it is more a matter of "just never needed to go there". John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Tony > > Ok - I have to ask - what make this a 'Tough Chart'? > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:58 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Hey John > Thanks. Found it. > Tough chart. > > jwcolby wrote: > >> Just go to that link included in his email. that takes you to a web >> page > full of "advertisements". >> Scroll down a few pages. You will see a graph kind of picture, not > really readable. That is it. >> you can then download a PDF from a link in that section. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Tony Septav wrote: >> >> >>> Hey All >>> It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a >>> bone head works on a holiday." >>> Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. >>> Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried >>> fun stuff, downloads, articles and archive. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Tony >>> >>> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kismert at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 11:50:04 2009 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:50:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Skill Zones Message-ID: <7c7841600907010950y5a254460v3ddf8443e4085e3@mail.gmail.com> I could not find it either. Finally googled it. Could this be added to the Downloads page? -Ken >Tony Septav: >Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? >Tried fun stuff, downloads, articles and archive. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 1 11:56:29 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:56:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> Of course I agree with Charlotte, when you finally wrap your mind around classes, suddenly they become like a nail gun vs a hammer. But you have to really get there and that is the problem most people have. Imagine that you live a mile from town. You have always ridden a bike. It seems like that works quite well, after all you have always ridden a bike, and you cannot really imagine why you would need more. Then your friend lends you a car while he's on vacation for the month. Asks you to feed his cat and dog, check on his mother in the next town over. you drive, you run around, you haul stuff for his mom, you suddenly see that a car is a different breed of transportation from a bike. A bike works, but it is just a different breed. Until you actually use it, day in and day out, you just never appreciated how different it was and what it allowed you to do. There are things that you simply cannot reasonably do without classes. But until you have tried to do those things you cannot understand what they might possibly be. Let me give you an example, caching data. I use tables where the data doesn't change from month to month. These tables have hundreds of records, and yes, I could just set up things to seek etc to go through and find data in these tables. But I USE these tables to control whether specific tabs are displayed, whether certain subforms are allowed to load and so forth. I use these tables PROGRAMMATICALLY, in loops in programs where decisions are made etc. To try and seek to specific records then get certain fields would be several orders of magnitude slower than to simply load each record into a class, then load those record class instances into a collection, keyed on a common lookup field (what you would Find Next on or SEEK on). Record / record supervisor. Once I have these I can get at any field that I need (or specific fields that I need all of the time) and I can get at it INSTANTLY. Collections of classes keyed on a search data are something that you cannot even understand until you do it. Once you do it, the light bulb goes on. Goto http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp and click on the zipcode demo. You cannot do this kind of thing without classes. Click on the Openargs demo. You cannot do this without classes. I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars. That is another thing you just can't do without classes (it is the cached record idea). I would never say that you can't be a very good, very successful developer without classes. I would say that once you understand and use them you will be in an entirely different league, because what you can do suddenly changes. I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER transition smoothly to .Net. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT need > classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. > > Ignore the apple... > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need for > one! LOL > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > John, > > How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your > descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. > > You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a few > things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have to > make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only needed > that one. > > Dan From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 1 11:58:06 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:58:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4a4b9025.0702d00a.1645.ffffe7d7@mx.google.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B8F3B.2040208@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b9025.0702d00a.1645.ffffe7d7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A4B959E.7040106@colbyconsulting.com> I don't want to gang up on anyone. I want people to reach their potential. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > ..because most access developers don't need them.... > > I know, you and Susan and Ms Purist will now gang up on me...Forget it, I > give in...I made my point. > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 01 July 2009 17:31 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > >I have to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only > needed that one. > > Well, that is one more than most Access developers have written. > > ;) > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Dan Waters wrote: >> John, >> >> How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your >> descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. >> >> You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a few >> things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have to make > a >> confession - I've only written one class. But - I only needed that one. >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:59 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >> Dan, >> >> It is a very good chart. >> >> There are so many aspects of Access that very few developers really get >> around to using all of them. >> Thus it FEELS like you aren't up there where we would all like to be, > the >> Professional section. >> >> As an example, I don't do charts. No one has asked for them, they > probably >> do their own through >> Excel. Dynamic screen formation, DEFINITELY not there. Read data from > ERP >> system, not there. I >> would add import / export data from mainframes (I am definitely there). >> >> You get the point. Now I understand that if you do ANY of these things, > and >> in particular if you do >> several or many of them then you are up there in the Professional section, >> but there are just so >> many that I have never done that it FEELS intimidating. >> >> In fact it is more a matter of "just never needed to go there". >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Dan Waters wrote: >>> Hi Tony >>> >>> Ok - I have to ask - what make this a 'Tough Chart'? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Dan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:58 AM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >>> >>> Hey John >>> Thanks. Found it. >>> Tough chart. >>> >>> jwcolby wrote: >>> >>>> Just go to that link included in his email. that takes you to a web > page >>> full of "advertisements". >>>> Scroll down a few pages. You will see a graph kind of picture, not >>> really readable. That is it. >>>> you can then download a PDF from a link in that section. >>>> >>>> John W. Colby >>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>>> >>>> >>>> Tony Septav wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hey All >>>>> It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a bone >>>>> head works on a holiday." >>>>> Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. >>>>> Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried fun >>>>> stuff, downloads, articles and archive. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Tony >>>>> >>>>> From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Jul 1 12:02:17 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:02:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <7c7841600907010950y5a254460v3ddf8443e4085e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c7841600907010950y5a254460v3ddf8443e4085e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1C5CF8CC27FD487B81A9E213444C0A8C@danwaters> Hi Ken, Go to www.databaseadvisors.com. Scroll down about 1/3 of the way to find the chart. It's dated 13 October 2008. Click the link titled PDF Chart to open it as a PDF file. From here you can save it to your PC if you wish. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:50 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Skill Zones I could not find it either. Finally googled it. Could this be added to the Downloads page? -Ken >Tony Septav: >Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? >Tried fun stuff, downloads, articles and archive. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Wed Jul 1 12:05:04 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:05:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: >I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER transition smoothly to .Net. I have to agree with that, John. EVERYTHING in .Net is an object, even a simple string. Everything has methods and properties, and you have to learn to work with them rather than just operate on them. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:56 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Of course I agree with Charlotte, when you finally wrap your mind around classes, suddenly they become like a nail gun vs a hammer. But you have to really get there and that is the problem most people have. Imagine that you live a mile from town. You have always ridden a bike. It seems like that works quite well, after all you have always ridden a bike, and you cannot really imagine why you would need more. Then your friend lends you a car while he's on vacation for the month. Asks you to feed his cat and dog, check on his mother in the next town over. you drive, you run around, you haul stuff for his mom, you suddenly see that a car is a different breed of transportation from a bike. A bike works, but it is just a different breed. Until you actually use it, day in and day out, you just never appreciated how different it was and what it allowed you to do. There are things that you simply cannot reasonably do without classes. But until you have tried to do those things you cannot understand what they might possibly be. Let me give you an example, caching data. I use tables where the data doesn't change from month to month. These tables have hundreds of records, and yes, I could just set up things to seek etc to go through and find data in these tables. But I USE these tables to control whether specific tabs are displayed, whether certain subforms are allowed to load and so forth. I use these tables PROGRAMMATICALLY, in loops in programs where decisions are made etc. To try and seek to specific records then get certain fields would be several orders of magnitude slower than to simply load each record into a class, then load those record class instances into a collection, keyed on a common lookup field (what you would Find Next on or SEEK on). Record / record supervisor. Once I have these I can get at any field that I need (or specific fields that I need all of the time) and I can get at it INSTANTLY. Collections of classes keyed on a search data are something that you cannot even understand until you do it. Once you do it, the light bulb goes on. Goto http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp and click on the zipcode demo. You cannot do this kind of thing without classes. Click on the Openargs demo. You cannot do this without classes. I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars. That is another thing you just can't do without classes (it is the cached record idea). I would never say that you can't be a very good, very successful developer without classes. I would say that once you understand and use them you will be in an entirely different league, because what you can do suddenly changes. I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER transition smoothly to .Net. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT > need classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. > > Ignore the apple... > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need > for one! LOL > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > John, > > How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your > descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. > > You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a > few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have > to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only > needed that one. > > Dan -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Wed Jul 1 12:06:35 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:06:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <12F5462D1971447EA11A06688F5509D1@Mattys> I use classes to manipulate shapes made up latitude/longitude points. They are often called upon to determine whether a point lies inside of their polygon or whether shapes overlap. They are in memory and have events just like Access Forms and when they close all data is saved back to a table. - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > Of course I agree with Charlotte, when you finally wrap your mind around > classes, suddenly they > become like a nail gun vs a hammer. But you have to really get there and > that is the problem most > people have. > > Imagine that you live a mile from town. You have always ridden a bike. > It seems like that works > quite well, after all you have always ridden a bike, and you cannot really > imagine why you would > need more. > > Then your friend lends you a car while he's on vacation for the month. > Asks you to feed his cat and > dog, check on his mother in the next town over. you drive, you run > around, you haul stuff for his > mom, you suddenly see that a car is a different breed of transportation > from a bike. A bike works, > but it is just a different breed. > > Until you actually use it, day in and day out, you just never appreciated > how different it was and > what it allowed you to do. > > There are things that you simply cannot reasonably do without classes. > But until you have tried to > do those things you cannot understand what they might possibly be. > > Let me give you an example, caching data. > > I use tables where the data doesn't change from month to month. These > tables have hundreds of > records, and yes, I could just set up things to seek etc to go through and > find data in these > tables. But I USE these tables to control whether specific tabs are > displayed, whether certain > subforms are allowed to load and so forth. I use these tables > PROGRAMMATICALLY, in loops in > programs where decisions are made etc. To try and seek to specific > records then get certain fields > would be several orders of magnitude slower than to simply load each > record into a class, then load > those record class instances into a collection, keyed on a common lookup > field (what you would Find > Next on or SEEK on). > > Record / record supervisor. Once I have these I can get at any field that > I need (or specific > fields that I need all of the time) and I can get at it INSTANTLY. > > Collections of classes keyed on a search data are something that you > cannot even understand until > you do it. Once you do it, the light bulb goes on. > > Goto http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp and click on the > zipcode demo. You cannot do > this kind of thing without classes. > > Click on the Openargs demo. You cannot do this without classes. > > I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars. That is another > thing you just can't do > without classes (it is the cached record idea). > > I would never say that you can't be a very good, very successful developer > without classes. I would > say that once you understand and use them you will be in an entirely > different league, because what > you can do suddenly changes. > > I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER > transition smoothly to .Net. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: >> Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT >> need >> classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. >> >> Ignore the apple... >> >> Max >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >> Foust >> Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22 >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >> No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need for >> one! LOL >> >> Charlotte Foust >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >> John, >> >> How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your >> descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. >> >> You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a few >> things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have to >> make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only needed >> that one. >> >> Dan > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 12:08:55 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:08:55 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a4b982d.1818d00a.78be.ffff8bc9@mx.google.com> Ok, John. Look my point is pure and simple. There are many ways to achieve a requirement. Your use of Classes is one, but there are others. I have classes, I have used classes for years. I gave up using them because it was easier and quicker to do what I needed without them. But, coincidently today, I actually had a use for one! Now, I will write that one up. But it is not often that happens. My point is simple this. You don't need them. This not a religion and we don't have to do things by rote. We will agree on this point, Classes give better programming standards than non-classes. In the same way that normalising past the 3rd level gives better adherement to the normalising principles. Therefore they are to be encouraged and used. But, they are not necessary. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 01 July 2009 17:56 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Of course I agree with Charlotte, when you finally wrap your mind around classes, suddenly they become like a nail gun vs a hammer. But you have to really get there and that is the problem most people have. Imagine that you live a mile from town. You have always ridden a bike. It seems like that works quite well, after all you have always ridden a bike, and you cannot really imagine why you would need more. Then your friend lends you a car while he's on vacation for the month. Asks you to feed his cat and dog, check on his mother in the next town over. you drive, you run around, you haul stuff for his mom, you suddenly see that a car is a different breed of transportation from a bike. A bike works, but it is just a different breed. Until you actually use it, day in and day out, you just never appreciated how different it was and what it allowed you to do. There are things that you simply cannot reasonably do without classes. But until you have tried to do those things you cannot understand what they might possibly be. Let me give you an example, caching data. I use tables where the data doesn't change from month to month. These tables have hundreds of records, and yes, I could just set up things to seek etc to go through and find data in these tables. But I USE these tables to control whether specific tabs are displayed, whether certain subforms are allowed to load and so forth. I use these tables PROGRAMMATICALLY, in loops in programs where decisions are made etc. To try and seek to specific records then get certain fields would be several orders of magnitude slower than to simply load each record into a class, then load those record class instances into a collection, keyed on a common lookup field (what you would Find Next on or SEEK on). Record / record supervisor. Once I have these I can get at any field that I need (or specific fields that I need all of the time) and I can get at it INSTANTLY. Collections of classes keyed on a search data are something that you cannot even understand until you do it. Once you do it, the light bulb goes on. Goto http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp and click on the zipcode demo. You cannot do this kind of thing without classes. Click on the Openargs demo. You cannot do this without classes. I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars. That is another thing you just can't do without classes (it is the cached record idea). I would never say that you can't be a very good, very successful developer without classes. I would say that once you understand and use them you will be in an entirely different league, because what you can do suddenly changes. I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER transition smoothly to .Net. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT need > classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. > > Ignore the apple... > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need for > one! LOL > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > John, > > How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your > descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. > > You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a few > things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have to > make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only needed > that one. > > Dan -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 12:08:55 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:08:55 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <1C5CF8CC27FD487B81A9E213444C0A8C@danwaters> References: <7c7841600907010950y5a254460v3ddf8443e4085e3@mail.gmail.com> <1C5CF8CC27FD487B81A9E213444C0A8C@danwaters> Message-ID: <4a4b982b.1818d00a.78be.ffff8bc7@mx.google.com> I found it there, as stated below, with no problem at all. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 01 July 2009 18:02 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Skill Zones Hi Ken, Go to www.databaseadvisors.com. Scroll down about 1/3 of the way to find the chart. It's dated 13 October 2008. Click the link titled PDF Chart to open it as a PDF file. From here you can save it to your PC if you wish. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:50 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Skill Zones I could not find it either. Finally googled it. Could this be added to the Downloads page? -Ken >Tony Septav: >Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? >Tried fun stuff, downloads, articles and archive. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kismert at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 12:09:51 2009 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:09:51 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function Message-ID: <7c7841600907011009o77d5bd80h84e769e83a72fbcb@mail.gmail.com> A.D., It won't work. All VB Objects derive from IDispatch. CallByName is a wrapper for IDispatch. Since modules don't implement any class interface, their functions can't be invoked by CallByName. Use Application.Run, which you suggested earlier. -Ken >A.D.Tejpal: >This refers to my post of 27-Jun-2009, placed below. >While response from William is awaited, it would be >nice if other members of this forum could also kindly >conduct a test and confirm whether any success with >using CallByName() function where the called >procedure / function is in a general module. From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 12:22:49 2009 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:22:49 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0907011022h471b73bbybc8502e3e6fa433@mail.gmail.com> Hi John: I'd really appreciate it if you could find this SysVars demo. I've been working on a self-assigned project to handle semi-constant control information using classes (I assume this is what you're referring to), and I'd be interested to see how you handled it. Thanks, Doug Steele > > I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars. That is another > thing you just can't do > without classes (it is the cached record idea). > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 12:50:44 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:50:44 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a4ba1f9.1818d00a.50a6.538a@mx.google.com> Good point, Charlotte. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 01 July 2009 18:05 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER transition smoothly to .Net. I have to agree with that, John. EVERYTHING in .Net is an object, even a simple string. Everything has methods and properties, and you have to learn to work with them rather than just operate on them. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:56 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Of course I agree with Charlotte, when you finally wrap your mind around classes, suddenly they become like a nail gun vs a hammer. But you have to really get there and that is the problem most people have. Imagine that you live a mile from town. You have always ridden a bike. It seems like that works quite well, after all you have always ridden a bike, and you cannot really imagine why you would need more. Then your friend lends you a car while he's on vacation for the month. Asks you to feed his cat and dog, check on his mother in the next town over. you drive, you run around, you haul stuff for his mom, you suddenly see that a car is a different breed of transportation from a bike. A bike works, but it is just a different breed. Until you actually use it, day in and day out, you just never appreciated how different it was and what it allowed you to do. There are things that you simply cannot reasonably do without classes. But until you have tried to do those things you cannot understand what they might possibly be. Let me give you an example, caching data. I use tables where the data doesn't change from month to month. These tables have hundreds of records, and yes, I could just set up things to seek etc to go through and find data in these tables. But I USE these tables to control whether specific tabs are displayed, whether certain subforms are allowed to load and so forth. I use these tables PROGRAMMATICALLY, in loops in programs where decisions are made etc. To try and seek to specific records then get certain fields would be several orders of magnitude slower than to simply load each record into a class, then load those record class instances into a collection, keyed on a common lookup field (what you would Find Next on or SEEK on). Record / record supervisor. Once I have these I can get at any field that I need (or specific fields that I need all of the time) and I can get at it INSTANTLY. Collections of classes keyed on a search data are something that you cannot even understand until you do it. Once you do it, the light bulb goes on. Goto http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp and click on the zipcode demo. You cannot do this kind of thing without classes. Click on the Openargs demo. You cannot do this without classes. I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars. That is another thing you just can't do without classes (it is the cached record idea). I would never say that you can't be a very good, very successful developer without classes. I would say that once you understand and use them you will be in an entirely different league, because what you can do suddenly changes. I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER transition smoothly to .Net. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT > need classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. > > Ignore the apple... > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need > for one! LOL > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > John, > > How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your > descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. > > You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a > few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have > to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only > needed that one. > > Dan -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From adtp at airtelmail.in Wed Jul 1 13:45:18 2009 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:15:18 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function References: <29f585dd0906230824o50d32559s98c18f33cdba98a2@mail.gmail.com><1544F6E808F6440CA30AF993BC66B429@Mattys><29f585dd0906230904t1fa80d45wbe046f7a4b3c56ea@mail.gmail.com><001d01c9f577$431765d0$ed60a27a@personald6374f> <009001c9fa53$bcc66d00$7b5ea27a@personald6374f> <008601c9fa5a$9e89c740$db9d55c0$@spb.ru> Message-ID: <00a301c9fa7c$b0351f90$cd5fa27a@personald6374f> Shamil, Thanks for confirming. So nice of you. William's post of 23-Jun-2009 gave the impression that he had been successful in using CallByName() function even for calling subs / functions located in standard / general modules. Apparently, that is not the case and there has been no confirmatory corroboration from him. With your clarification, the thread attains proper completion. In conclusion, for calling a sub or function using a string variable holding the name of the sub or function, the following considerations appear to apply: 1 - CallByName() function is meant (and is the preferred method) for calling public subs / functions belonging to form or class modules. (Subs / functions located in standard / general modules can not be called by this method). Typical syntax: (a) Called proc is in the same form: CallByName Me, "<>", VbMethod (b) Called proc is in another form: CallByName Forms("<>"), _ "<>", VbMethod (c) Called proc is in a class: CallByName PointerToClassObject, _ "<>", VbMethod 2 - For calling public subs / functions located in standard / general modules, Application.Run command or Eval() function can be used. Note: For all the methods mentioned in 1 & 2 above, the called entity has to be public. 3 - If Eval() function is used, the called entity has to be a function (with or without return value). Otherwise error. Typical syntax: Eval(strCall) - where variable strCall holds the complete string depicting name of function as well as its arguments, e.g.: strCall = "MyFunction('ABC')" ' Here, 'ABC' is the argument. Debug.Print Eval(strCall) 4 - Application.Run command can handle subs as well as functions (if return value is not material). This command is not suited for calling subs / functions in form modules. Here, the first argument is just the name of procedure, followed by optional other arguments representing arguments meant for the procedure or function. 5 - As an academic interest, Eval() function can be used to call a public function in form modules also, if no argument is required to be passed. For example strCall = "Forms('<>').MyFunction" Debug.Print Eval(strCall) Note: The function parenthesis are not to be used, i.e. not MyFunction(). Moreover, the target function gets activated twice. Therefore better use CallByName() function. Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Shamil Salakhetdinov To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 20:15 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function Hi A.D., I suppose CallByName will not work for standard/general modules' subs/functions as CallByName is based (I guess) on COM IDispatch interface's Invoke(...) method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDispatch) and IDispatch interface is implemented in MS Access/VBA only for custom classes' modules, which are instantiated internally as COM objects. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 5:55 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function This refers to my post of 27-Jun-2009, placed below. While response from William is awaited, it would be nice if other members of this forum could also kindly conduct a test and confirm whether any success with using CallByName() function where the called procedure / function is in a general module. Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ From adtp at airtelmail.in Wed Jul 1 13:59:29 2009 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:29:29 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function References: <7c7841600907011009o77d5bd80h84e769e83a72fbcb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e301c9fa7f$b05a7a80$cd5fa27a@personald6374f> Ken, Thanks for the kind corroboration. So nice of you. The matter stands clarified. Saw your post just after posting my reply to Shamil. Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Ismert To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 22:39 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function A.D., It won't work. All VB Objects derive from IDispatch. CallByName is a wrapper for IDispatch. Since modules don't implement any class interface, their functions can't be invoked by CallByName. Use Application.Run, which you suggested earlier. -Ken >A.D.Tejpal: >This refers to my post of 27-Jun-2009, placed below. >While response from William is awaited, it would be >nice if other members of this forum could also kindly >conduct a test and confirm whether any success with >using CallByName() function where the called >procedure / function is in a general module. From kismert at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 14:49:01 2009 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:49:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function Message-ID: <7c7841600907011249k3ca9adb6l4a893b6c0de59c49@mail.gmail.com> A.D., To elaborate on your first test: CallByName Modules("<>"), "<>", VbMethod Modules("ModuleName") returns an Access Module object, which is almost identical to the VBIDE.CodeModule object. So, CallByName(Modules("ModuleName"), "CountOfLines", VbGet) Will return the line count for module ModuleName. Of course, Application.Run only works for uniquely-named public functions. So, if you have Module1.SomeFunc, and Module2.SomeFunc defined, Application.Run "SomeFunc" Will return Error 2157: Microsoft Access can't find the procedure 'SomeFunc.' I haven't found a fix for this. Qualifying the name as "Module1.SomeFunc" or "Module2.SomeFunc" won't help. You can prefix the name of the project, which will let you call code in a library, but that doesn't solve the non-uniquely named function problem. -Ken From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 1 15:25:30 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:25:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4a4ba1f9.1818d00a.50a6.538a@mx.google.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4ba1f9.1818d00a.50a6.538a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A4BC63A.70901@colbyconsulting.com> Additionally, much of what you build will be classes as well. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Good point, Charlotte. > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: 01 July 2009 18:05 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > >> I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER > transition smoothly to .Net. > > I have to agree with that, John. EVERYTHING in .Net is an object, even > a simple string. Everything has methods and properties, and you have to > learn to work with them rather than just operate on them. > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:56 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Of course I agree with Charlotte, when you finally wrap your mind around > classes, suddenly they become like a nail gun vs a hammer. But you have > to really get there and that is the problem most people have. > > Imagine that you live a mile from town. You have always ridden a bike. > It seems like that works quite well, after all you have always ridden a > bike, and you cannot really imagine why you would need more. > > Then your friend lends you a car while he's on vacation for the month. > Asks you to feed his cat and dog, check on his mother in the next town > over. you drive, you run around, you haul stuff for his mom, you > suddenly see that a car is a different breed of transportation from a > bike. A bike works, but it is just a different breed. > > Until you actually use it, day in and day out, you just never > appreciated how different it was and what it allowed you to do. > > There are things that you simply cannot reasonably do without classes. > But until you have tried to do those things you cannot understand what > they might possibly be. > > Let me give you an example, caching data. > > I use tables where the data doesn't change from month to month. These > tables have hundreds of records, and yes, I could just set up things to > seek etc to go through and find data in these tables. But I USE these > tables to control whether specific tabs are displayed, whether certain > subforms are allowed to load and so forth. I use these tables > PROGRAMMATICALLY, in loops in programs where decisions are made etc. To > try and seek to specific records then get certain fields would be > several orders of magnitude slower than to simply load each record into > a class, then load those record class instances into a collection, keyed > on a common lookup field (what you would Find Next on or SEEK on). > > Record / record supervisor. Once I have these I can get at any field > that I need (or specific fields that I need all of the time) and I can > get at it INSTANTLY. > > Collections of classes keyed on a search data are something that you > cannot even understand until you do it. Once you do it, the light bulb > goes on. > > Goto http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp and click on the > zipcode demo. You cannot do this kind of thing without classes. > > Click on the Openargs demo. You cannot do this without classes. > > I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars. That is another > thing you just can't do without classes (it is the cached record idea). > > I would never say that you can't be a very good, very successful > developer without classes. I would say that once you understand and use > them you will be in an entirely different league, because what you can > do suddenly changes. > > I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER > transition smoothly to .Net. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: >> Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT >> need classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. >> >> Ignore the apple... >> >> Max >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >> Foust >> Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22 >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >> No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need >> for one! LOL >> >> Charlotte Foust >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >> John, >> >> How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your >> descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. >> >> You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a >> few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have >> to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only >> needed that one. >> >> Dan > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Wed Jul 1 15:32:00 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:32:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4A4BC63A.70901@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4ba1f9.1818d00a.50a6.538a@mx.google.com> <4A4BC63A.70901@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Change that to ALL of what you build will be classes and I'll agree with you. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:26 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Additionally, much of what you build will be classes as well. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Good point, Charlotte. > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: 01 July 2009 18:05 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > >> I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will >> NEVER > transition smoothly to .Net. > > I have to agree with that, John. EVERYTHING in .Net is an object, > even a simple string. Everything has methods and properties, and you > have to learn to work with them rather than just operate on them. > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:56 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Of course I agree with Charlotte, when you finally wrap your mind > around classes, suddenly they become like a nail gun vs a hammer. But > you have to really get there and that is the problem most people have. > > Imagine that you live a mile from town. You have always ridden a bike. > It seems like that works quite well, after all you have always ridden > a bike, and you cannot really imagine why you would need more. > > Then your friend lends you a car while he's on vacation for the month. > Asks you to feed his cat and dog, check on his mother in the next town > over. you drive, you run around, you haul stuff for his mom, you > suddenly see that a car is a different breed of transportation from a > bike. A bike works, but it is just a different breed. > > Until you actually use it, day in and day out, you just never > appreciated how different it was and what it allowed you to do. > > There are things that you simply cannot reasonably do without classes. > But until you have tried to do those things you cannot understand what > they might possibly be. > > Let me give you an example, caching data. > > I use tables where the data doesn't change from month to month. These > tables have hundreds of records, and yes, I could just set up things > to seek etc to go through and find data in these tables. But I USE > these tables to control whether specific tabs are displayed, whether > certain subforms are allowed to load and so forth. I use these tables > PROGRAMMATICALLY, in loops in programs where decisions are made etc. > To try and seek to specific records then get certain fields would be > several orders of magnitude slower than to simply load each record > into a class, then load those record class instances into a > collection, keyed on a common lookup field (what you would Find Next on or SEEK on). > > Record / record supervisor. Once I have these I can get at any field > that I need (or specific fields that I need all of the time) and I can > get at it INSTANTLY. > > Collections of classes keyed on a search data are something that you > cannot even understand until you do it. Once you do it, the light > bulb goes on. > > Goto http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp and click on the > zipcode demo. You cannot do this kind of thing without classes. > > Click on the Openargs demo. You cannot do this without classes. > > I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars. That is > another thing you just can't do without classes (it is the cached record idea). > > I would never say that you can't be a very good, very successful > developer without classes. I would say that once you understand and > use them you will be in an entirely different league, because what you > can do suddenly changes. > > I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will > NEVER transition smoothly to .Net. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: >> Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT >> need classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. >> >> Ignore the apple... >> >> Max >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >> Foust >> Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22 >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >> No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need >> for one! LOL >> >> Charlotte Foust >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >> John, >> >> How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your >> descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. >> >> You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a >> few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have >> to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only >> needed that one. >> >> Dan > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 15:51:02 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:51:02 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4A4BC63A.70901@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4ba1f9.1818d00a.50a6.538a@mx.google.com> <4A4BC63A.70901@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a4bcc39.0508d00a.40d4.ffffb2e6@mx.google.com> Who have a TV program in UK called Dr. Who. Exterminate...Exterminate...Exterminate In a very gravely voice by a alien (settle down Rocky!) called a Darlek. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who anyway, consider me assimilated. I am getting close to my "more time off" situation, and I will then concentrate on Classes, et al. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 01 July 2009 21:26 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Additionally, much of what you build will be classes as well. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Good point, Charlotte. > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: 01 July 2009 18:05 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > >> I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER > transition smoothly to .Net. > > I have to agree with that, John. EVERYTHING in .Net is an object, even > a simple string. Everything has methods and properties, and you have to > learn to work with them rather than just operate on them. > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:56 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Of course I agree with Charlotte, when you finally wrap your mind around > classes, suddenly they become like a nail gun vs a hammer. But you have > to really get there and that is the problem most people have. > > Imagine that you live a mile from town. You have always ridden a bike. > It seems like that works quite well, after all you have always ridden a > bike, and you cannot really imagine why you would need more. > > Then your friend lends you a car while he's on vacation for the month. > Asks you to feed his cat and dog, check on his mother in the next town > over. you drive, you run around, you haul stuff for his mom, you > suddenly see that a car is a different breed of transportation from a > bike. A bike works, but it is just a different breed. > > Until you actually use it, day in and day out, you just never > appreciated how different it was and what it allowed you to do. > > There are things that you simply cannot reasonably do without classes. > But until you have tried to do those things you cannot understand what > they might possibly be. > > Let me give you an example, caching data. > > I use tables where the data doesn't change from month to month. These > tables have hundreds of records, and yes, I could just set up things to > seek etc to go through and find data in these tables. But I USE these > tables to control whether specific tabs are displayed, whether certain > subforms are allowed to load and so forth. I use these tables > PROGRAMMATICALLY, in loops in programs where decisions are made etc. To > try and seek to specific records then get certain fields would be > several orders of magnitude slower than to simply load each record into > a class, then load those record class instances into a collection, keyed > on a common lookup field (what you would Find Next on or SEEK on). > > Record / record supervisor. Once I have these I can get at any field > that I need (or specific fields that I need all of the time) and I can > get at it INSTANTLY. > > Collections of classes keyed on a search data are something that you > cannot even understand until you do it. Once you do it, the light bulb > goes on. > > Goto http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp and click on the > zipcode demo. You cannot do this kind of thing without classes. > > Click on the Openargs demo. You cannot do this without classes. > > I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars. That is another > thing you just can't do without classes (it is the cached record idea). > > I would never say that you can't be a very good, very successful > developer without classes. I would say that once you understand and use > them you will be in an entirely different league, because what you can > do suddenly changes. > > I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER > transition smoothly to .Net. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: >> Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT >> need classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. >> >> Ignore the apple... >> >> Max >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >> Foust >> Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22 >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >> No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need >> for one! LOL >> >> Charlotte Foust >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >> John, >> >> How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your >> descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. >> >> You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a >> few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have >> to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only >> needed that one. >> >> Dan > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Wed Jul 1 15:59:39 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:59:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4ba1f9.1818d00a.50a6.538a@mx.google.com><4A4BC63A.70901@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4bcc39.0508d00a.40d4.ffffb2e6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A3AD867507640F597BEC381FC6C0838@Mattys> I started watching at Dr. #2 (the best one IMO) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz7e9kQ2-Uk - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > Who have a TV program in UK called Dr. Who. > > Exterminate...Exterminate...Exterminate > > In a very gravely voice by a alien (settle down Rocky!) called a Darlek. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who > > anyway, consider me assimilated. I am getting close to my "more time off" > situation, and I will then concentrate on Classes, et al. > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 01 July 2009 21:26 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Additionally, much of what you build will be classes as well. > > Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: >> Good point, Charlotte. >> >> Max >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >> Foust >> Sent: 01 July 2009 18:05 >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >>> I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER >> transition smoothly to .Net. >> >> I have to agree with that, John. EVERYTHING in .Net is an object, even >> a simple string. Everything has methods and properties, and you have to >> learn to work with them rather than just operate on them. >> >> Charlotte Foust >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:56 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >> Of course I agree with Charlotte, when you finally wrap your mind around >> classes, suddenly they become like a nail gun vs a hammer. But you have >> to really get there and that is the problem most people have. >> >> Imagine that you live a mile from town. You have always ridden a bike. >> It seems like that works quite well, after all you have always ridden a >> bike, and you cannot really imagine why you would need more. >> >> Then your friend lends you a car while he's on vacation for the month. >> Asks you to feed his cat and dog, check on his mother in the next town >> over. you drive, you run around, you haul stuff for his mom, you >> suddenly see that a car is a different breed of transportation from a >> bike. A bike works, but it is just a different breed. >> >> Until you actually use it, day in and day out, you just never >> appreciated how different it was and what it allowed you to do. >> >> There are things that you simply cannot reasonably do without classes. >> But until you have tried to do those things you cannot understand what >> they might possibly be. >> >> Let me give you an example, caching data. >> >> I use tables where the data doesn't change from month to month. These >> tables have hundreds of records, and yes, I could just set up things to >> seek etc to go through and find data in these tables. But I USE these >> tables to control whether specific tabs are displayed, whether certain >> subforms are allowed to load and so forth. I use these tables >> PROGRAMMATICALLY, in loops in programs where decisions are made etc. To >> try and seek to specific records then get certain fields would be >> several orders of magnitude slower than to simply load each record into >> a class, then load those record class instances into a collection, keyed >> on a common lookup field (what you would Find Next on or SEEK on). >> >> Record / record supervisor. Once I have these I can get at any field >> that I need (or specific fields that I need all of the time) and I can >> get at it INSTANTLY. >> >> Collections of classes keyed on a search data are something that you >> cannot even understand until you do it. Once you do it, the light bulb >> goes on. >> >> Goto http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp and click on the >> zipcode demo. You cannot do this kind of thing without classes. >> >> Click on the Openargs demo. You cannot do this without classes. >> >> I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars. That is another >> thing you just can't do without classes (it is the cached record idea). >> >> I would never say that you can't be a very good, very successful >> developer without classes. I would say that once you understand and use >> them you will be in an entirely different league, because what you can >> do suddenly changes. >> >> I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER >> transition smoothly to .Net. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Max Wanadoo wrote: >>> Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT >>> need classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. >>> >>> Ignore the apple... >>> >>> Max >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >>> Foust >>> Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22 >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >>> >>> No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need >>> for one! LOL >>> >>> Charlotte Foust >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM >>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >>> >>> John, >>> >>> How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your >>> descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. >>> >>> You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a >>> few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have >>> to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only >>> needed that one. >>> >>> Dan >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Wed Jul 1 16:51:46 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:51:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: <73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local><096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB><0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB> <73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> Message-ID: I've used Autonumbers as actual values (like Ticket numbers in a request system) where the number doesn't have to truly be sequential. But in the case you are talking about, it seems kind of odd to create a routine that mimics the AutoNumber field type, instead of just using that field type (in a separate table to keep it sequential). Hope it works out. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Thanks Drew - your explanation corresponds my reading your first posting. I always use AutoNumber exclusively for surrogate primary keys, never for alternate natural keys like OrderNumber. In my opinion AutoNumber (and the equivalent in SQL Server: Identity) is designed for surrogate keys, not for natural keys. You could use AutoNumber for natural keys, but then you are inviting troubles. In Access pressing Esc on entering a new record will increment the AutoNumber, leaving gaps in the numbering. And depending on which version of Access you use, a Compact Database will reset the autonumber to the next value after your records INcluding deleted trailing records, or it will reset to the next record after your records EXcluding deleted trailing records. Bottom line: You simply can't predict the value of an AutoNumber field. This is what makes AutoNumber an excellent candidate for surrogate primary keys because this kind of keys is supposed to be meaningless. You can ignore the special behaviour of AutoNumber if you use it as a surrogate key like OrderID, but you certainly can't ignore it if you want a natural key value like OrderNumber, which is supposed to be meaningful. Asger The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jul 1 17:02:06 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:02:06 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com>, , Message-ID: <4A4BDCDE.30832.22A2B81D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> No, Charlotte, you don't *need* any classes, but they can simplify life. -- Stuart On 1 Jul 2009 at 8:22, Charlotte Foust wrote: > No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need for > one! LOL > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > John, > > How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your > descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. > > You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a few > things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have to > make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only needed > that one. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:59 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Dan, > > It is a very good chart. > > There are so many aspects of Access that very few developers really get > around to using all of them. > Thus it FEELS like you aren't up there where we would all like to be, > the Professional section. > > As an example, I don't do charts. No one has asked for them, they > probably do their own through Excel. Dynamic screen formation, > DEFINITELY not there. Read data from ERP system, not there. I would > add import / export data from mainframes (I am definitely there). > > You get the point. Now I understand that if you do ANY of these things, > and in particular if you do several or many of them then you are up > there in the Professional section, but there are just so many that I > have never done that it FEELS intimidating. > > In fact it is more a matter of "just never needed to go there". > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Dan Waters wrote: > > Hi Tony > > > > Ok - I have to ask - what make this a 'Tough Chart'? > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:58 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > > > Hey John > > Thanks. Found it. > > Tough chart. > > > > jwcolby wrote: > > > >> Just go to that link included in his email. that takes you to a web > >> page > > full of "advertisements". > >> Scroll down a few pages. You will see a graph kind of picture, not > > really readable. That is it. > >> you can then download a PDF from a link in that section. > >> > >> John W. Colby > >> www.ColbyConsulting.com > >> > >> > >> Tony Septav wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Hey All > >>> It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a > >>> bone head works on a holiday." > >>> Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. > >>> Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried > >>> fun stuff, downloads, articles and archive. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> Tony > >>> > >>> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 17:06:53 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:06:53 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4A4BDCDE.30832.22A2B81D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com>, , <4A4BDCDE.30832.22A2B81D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4a4bde01.1818d00a.1bab.09e2@mx.google.com> Thank you Stuart....phew! Thought common sense had left the forum in place of PC. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 01 July 2009 23:02 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones No, Charlotte, you don't *need* any classes, but they can simplify life. -- Stuart On 1 Jul 2009 at 8:22, Charlotte Foust wrote: > No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need for > one! LOL > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > John, > > How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your > descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. > > You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a few > things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have to > make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only needed > that one. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:59 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Dan, > > It is a very good chart. > > There are so many aspects of Access that very few developers really get > around to using all of them. > Thus it FEELS like you aren't up there where we would all like to be, > the Professional section. > > As an example, I don't do charts. No one has asked for them, they > probably do their own through Excel. Dynamic screen formation, > DEFINITELY not there. Read data from ERP system, not there. I would > add import / export data from mainframes (I am definitely there). > > You get the point. Now I understand that if you do ANY of these things, > and in particular if you do several or many of them then you are up > there in the Professional section, but there are just so many that I > have never done that it FEELS intimidating. > > In fact it is more a matter of "just never needed to go there". > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Dan Waters wrote: > > Hi Tony > > > > Ok - I have to ask - what make this a 'Tough Chart'? > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:58 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > > > Hey John > > Thanks. Found it. > > Tough chart. > > > > jwcolby wrote: > > > >> Just go to that link included in his email. that takes you to a web > >> page > > full of "advertisements". > >> Scroll down a few pages. You will see a graph kind of picture, not > > really readable. That is it. > >> you can then download a PDF from a link in that section. > >> > >> John W. Colby > >> www.ColbyConsulting.com > >> > >> > >> Tony Septav wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Hey All > >>> It is a holiday here, Canada Day. I know I know, "What kind of a > >>> bone head works on a holiday." > >>> Self employed developers.... but it is still early in the morning. > >>> Dan I could not find your chart, where should I be looking?? Tried > >>> fun stuff, downloads, articles and archive. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> Tony > >>> > >>> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Wed Jul 1 17:13:55 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:13:55 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4a4bde01.1818d00a.1bab.09e2@mx.google.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com>, , <4A4BDCDE.30832.22A2B81D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a4bde01.1818d00a.1bab.09e2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Max, May I remind you that Susan and I are still willing to practice maypole dancing? Speaking of common sense .... Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Thank you Stuart....phew! Thought common sense had left the forum in place of PC. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 01 July 2009 23:02 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones No, Charlotte, you don't *need* any classes, but they can simplify life. -- Stuart From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Wed Jul 1 17:21:06 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:21:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4ba1f9.1818d00a.50a6.538a@mx.google.com><4A4BC63A.70901@colbyconsulting.com><4a4bcc39.0508d00a.40d4.ffffb2e6@mx.google.com> <4A3AD867507640F597BEC381FC6C0838@Mattys> Message-ID: I meant Doctor #3, Jon Pertwee, of course. The video has the wrong label on it. - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Mattys" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >I started watching at Dr. #2 (the best one IMO) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz7e9kQ2-Uk > > - > Michael R Mattys > MapPoint and Database Dev > www.mattysconsulting.com > - > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Max Wanadoo" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > >> Who have a TV program in UK called Dr. Who. >> >> Exterminate...Exterminate...Exterminate >> >> In a very gravely voice by a alien (settle down Rocky!) called a Darlek. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who >> >> anyway, consider me assimilated. I am getting close to my "more time >> off" >> situation, and I will then concentrate on Classes, et al. >> >> Max >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: 01 July 2009 21:26 >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >> Additionally, much of what you build will be classes as well. >> >> Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Max Wanadoo wrote: >>> Good point, Charlotte. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >>> Foust >>> Sent: 01 July 2009 18:05 >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >>> >>>> I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER >>> transition smoothly to .Net. >>> >>> I have to agree with that, John. EVERYTHING in .Net is an object, even >>> a simple string. Everything has methods and properties, and you have to >>> learn to work with them rather than just operate on them. >>> >>> Charlotte Foust >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:56 AM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >>> >>> Of course I agree with Charlotte, when you finally wrap your mind around >>> classes, suddenly they become like a nail gun vs a hammer. But you have >>> to really get there and that is the problem most people have. >>> >>> Imagine that you live a mile from town. You have always ridden a bike. >>> It seems like that works quite well, after all you have always ridden a >>> bike, and you cannot really imagine why you would need more. >>> >>> Then your friend lends you a car while he's on vacation for the month. >>> Asks you to feed his cat and dog, check on his mother in the next town >>> over. you drive, you run around, you haul stuff for his mom, you >>> suddenly see that a car is a different breed of transportation from a >>> bike. A bike works, but it is just a different breed. >>> >>> Until you actually use it, day in and day out, you just never >>> appreciated how different it was and what it allowed you to do. >>> >>> There are things that you simply cannot reasonably do without classes. >>> But until you have tried to do those things you cannot understand what >>> they might possibly be. >>> >>> Let me give you an example, caching data. >>> >>> I use tables where the data doesn't change from month to month. These >>> tables have hundreds of records, and yes, I could just set up things to >>> seek etc to go through and find data in these tables. But I USE these >>> tables to control whether specific tabs are displayed, whether certain >>> subforms are allowed to load and so forth. I use these tables >>> PROGRAMMATICALLY, in loops in programs where decisions are made etc. To >>> try and seek to specific records then get certain fields would be >>> several orders of magnitude slower than to simply load each record into >>> a class, then load those record class instances into a collection, keyed >>> on a common lookup field (what you would Find Next on or SEEK on). >>> >>> Record / record supervisor. Once I have these I can get at any field >>> that I need (or specific fields that I need all of the time) and I can >>> get at it INSTANTLY. >>> >>> Collections of classes keyed on a search data are something that you >>> cannot even understand until you do it. Once you do it, the light bulb >>> goes on. >>> >>> Goto http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp and click on the >>> zipcode demo. You cannot do this kind of thing without classes. >>> >>> Click on the Openargs demo. You cannot do this without classes. >>> >>> I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars. That is another >>> thing you just can't do without classes (it is the cached record idea). >>> >>> I would never say that you can't be a very good, very successful >>> developer without classes. I would say that once you understand and use >>> them you will be in an entirely different league, because what you can >>> do suddenly changes. >>> >>> I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER >>> transition smoothly to .Net. >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>> >>> >>> Max Wanadoo wrote: >>>> Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT >>>> need classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. >>>> >>>> Ignore the apple... >>>> >>>> Max >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >>>> Foust >>>> Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22 >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >>>> >>>> No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need >>>> for one! LOL >>>> >>>> Charlotte Foust >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM >>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >>>> >>>> John, >>>> >>>> How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your >>>> descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. >>>> >>>> You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a >>>> few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have >>>> to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only >>>> needed that one. >>>> >>>> Dan >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 17:28:56 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:28:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com>, , <4A4BDCDE.30832.22A2B81D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a4bde01.1818d00a.1bab.09e2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7BDD6801C2714792ABB65290F34BD47E@SusanOne> Maypole! Maypole! Maypole! Can you feel the love Max???? ;) Susan H. > Max, > > May I remind you that Susan and I are still willing to practice maypole > dancing? Speaking of common sense .... > > Thank you Stuart....phew! Thought common sense had left the forum in > place of PC. > > No, Charlotte, you don't *need* any classes, but they can simplify > life. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Wed Jul 1 17:34:58 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:34:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 In-Reply-To: <9FB017E04E814A548273B361A67F2DEB@stevePC> References: <6294B72AA36F429387FEE3E941E3214B@SusanOne><926482BB467948F081FD9FA9A49E7D61@stevePC><3B69BCC2C9BC464898ED41532A805C7D@SusanOne><82EB70015BAE407DB89BF35EB7B04087@stevePC><4a45c5ac.1818d00a.3a9f.ffffb772@mx.google.com><05277B2BC7D2412E941FF1114BD204DD@stevePC><4a45ecd8.0a1ad00a.6c6a.ffffa7d2@mx.google.com><4A461F33.4000805@colbyconsulting.com><88443EBFF2404A6E966F8153B234FD5A@stevePC><4A479F78.1040306@colbyconsulting.com><57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D032@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <9FB017E04E814A548273B361A67F2DEB@stevePC> Message-ID: Before I respond to your comments, let me give you a little bit of my background. I came into the Access world right after 97 was out. Found it to be a very handy and very powerful tool. I was then hired into a position as a database/programmer. Ended up doing more VB and web development, then Access development. Now I'm a network administrator, with a heck of a lot of db/coding experience. And here's my take on what MS did with Access. It took a tool, which right now, is almost unique in it's purpose, it's both a database AND a GUI, and went from an outstanding product (Access 97), to a clunky mess. MS pushes SQL Server (in various forms) like no tomorrow. There is a time and a place for a client side db and a time and a place for a server side DB. If MS really wanted to improve Access, it would have pushed it into a dual mode system (where it could be client side OR server side) without any other systems involved. However, MS keeps clunking Access in with Office, like it's red headed step child. Office....a group of programs all with a single purpose. Access is the one shining star in the group, and MS can't help but tarnish it with every release of Office. Eventually, Access will be as useful as Excel as a database system. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 Darryl, -------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Collins" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:31 PM > ... I hope you are backing the right horse here Steve. Thanks very much for your comments. As you know, we are rapidly approaching the release of the next version. Access 2007 was always going to be an interim measure, as a step moving towards new paradigms. I will have a better idea whether I'm backing the right horse after we have built some Access 2010 apps. > MS Access has been on the edge before and I think it is now again. Ever since I first started using Access in 1994, there have been vehement claims in one quarter or another that Access is dead, Microsoft is dropping Access, X and Y are better than Access, etc. I don't know about "on the edge", but really a turning point. What I think will happen is that those who abandon Access because of the new directions, will be replaced by others who embrace it and move forward with it. If you're one of those who moves to other technologies, I understand the reasons, and have no criticism, and I hope there is nothing I have said to imply otherwise. I wish you well with that. But for me, at this stage it looks like I will be sticking with Access for the long haul. -- Regards Steve The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. 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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 17:44:32 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:44:32 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <7BDD6801C2714792ABB65290F34BD47E@SusanOne> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com>, , <4A4BDCDE.30832.22A2B81D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a4bde01.1818d00a.1bab.09e2@mx.google.com> <7BDD6801C2714792ABB65290F34BD47E@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4a4be6d4.1701d00a.58cc.1707@mx.google.com> No, but I may be slightly insensitive....wasn't before i joined this forum...Hardened criminal now...LOL You guys are just out of this world...love the craic... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 01 July 2009 23:29 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Maypole! Maypole! Maypole! Can you feel the love Max???? ;) Susan H. > Max, > > May I remind you that Susan and I are still willing to practice maypole > dancing? Speaking of common sense .... > > Thank you Stuart....phew! Thought common sense had left the forum in > place of PC. > > No, Charlotte, you don't *need* any classes, but they can simplify > life. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 17:46:12 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:46:12 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <7BDD6801C2714792ABB65290F34BD47E@SusanOne> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com>, , <4A4BDCDE.30832.22A2B81D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a4bde01.1818d00a.1bab.09e2@mx.google.com> <7BDD6801C2714792ABB65290F34BD47E@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4a4be737.0506d00a.7809.3e26@mx.google.com> Susan, I replied to this, but I am still laughing...this is so funny.... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 01 July 2009 23:29 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Maypole! Maypole! Maypole! Can you feel the love Max???? ;) Susan H. > Max, > > May I remind you that Susan and I are still willing to practice maypole > dancing? Speaking of common sense .... > > Thank you Stuart....phew! Thought common sense had left the forum in > place of PC. > > No, Charlotte, you don't *need* any classes, but they can simplify > life. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Wed Jul 1 17:50:01 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:50:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <6294B72AA36F429387FEE3E941E3214B@SusanOne><926482BB467948F081FD9FA9A49E7D61@stevePC><3B69BCC2C9BC464898ED41532A805C7D@SusanOne><82EB70015BAE407DB89BF35EB7B04087@stevePC><4a45c5ac.1818d00a.3a9f.ffffb772@mx.google.com><05277B2BC7D2412E941FF1114BD204DD@stevePC><57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D031@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: Yes, insert OS CD, reboot machine. Reinstall OS. Insert Office 97 CD, install Office 97. There, now Access will run much faster! (Oh, you want Access 2007 to run faster.....hmmmmmm, get a prettier ribbon?) ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:25 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 Does anyone find that A2007 runs much slower that 2003? I and the ONE client who uses 2007 both find it noticeably and significantly slower. Is there some fix for that? Rocky The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Wed Jul 1 17:57:58 2009 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:57:58 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local><096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB><0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB><73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> Message-ID: Actually I don't want to mimic the AutoNumber field type. I want a custom autonumber which is 1) reliable sequential, and 2) customable. Your two-table solution provides the first requirement and I will consider it for future use. But sometimes I need to supply an easy way of creating a new offset for the autonumber: e.g. using the current year as a leading number the user should have the ability to change the number let's say 20098001 to 20100001, making this a new starting point for the sequential numbering (normally this custom autonumber field should be locked on the form and only editable providing a password). I still find the DMAX-solution easier to manage for the second requirement. But as said I appreciate your proposal for a reliable sequential numbering. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Drew Wutka Sendt: 1. juli 2009 23:52 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering I've used Autonumbers as actual values (like Ticket numbers in a request system) where the number doesn't have to truly be sequential. But in the case you are talking about, it seems kind of odd to create a routine that mimics the AutoNumber field type, instead of just using that field type (in a separate table to keep it sequential). Hope it works out. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Thanks Drew - your explanation corresponds my reading your first posting. I always use AutoNumber exclusively for surrogate primary keys, never for alternate natural keys like OrderNumber. In my opinion AutoNumber (and the equivalent in SQL Server: Identity) is designed for surrogate keys, not for natural keys. You could use AutoNumber for natural keys, but then you are inviting troubles. In Access pressing Esc on entering a new record will increment the AutoNumber, leaving gaps in the numbering. And depending on which version of Access you use, a Compact Database will reset the autonumber to the next value after your records INcluding deleted trailing records, or it will reset to the next record after your records EXcluding deleted trailing records. Bottom line: You simply can't predict the value of an AutoNumber field. This is what makes AutoNumber an excellent candidate for surrogate primary keys because this kind of keys is supposed to be meaningless. You can ignore the special behaviour of AutoNumber if you use it as a surrogate key like OrderID, but you certainly can't ignore it if you want a natural key value like OrderNumber, which is supposed to be meaningful. Asger From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 17:53:35 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:53:35 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <6294B72AA36F429387FEE3E941E3214B@SusanOne><926482BB467948F081FD9FA9A49E7D61@stevePC><3B69BCC2C9BC464898ED41532A805C7D@SusanOne><82EB70015BAE407DB89BF35EB7B04087@stevePC><4a45c5ac.1818d00a.3a9f.ffffb772@mx.google.com><05277B2BC7D2412E941FF1114BD204DD@stevePC><57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D031@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <4a4be8f2.0a1ad00a.357e.ffff8a07@mx.google.com> Hahaha that is soooo cruel... I didn't take you for having such a sense of humour... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 01 July 2009 23:50 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 Yes, insert OS CD, reboot machine. Reinstall OS. Insert Office 97 CD, install Office 97. There, now Access will run much faster! (Oh, you want Access 2007 to run faster.....hmmmmmm, get a prettier ribbon?) ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:25 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 Does anyone find that A2007 runs much slower that 2003? I and the ONE client who uses 2007 both find it noticeably and significantly slower. Is there some fix for that? Rocky The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Wed Jul 1 17:58:16 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:58:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 In-Reply-To: <4a4905ae.0702d00a.79bc.4e3e@mx.google.com> References: <4a4905ae.0702d00a.79bc.4e3e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: LOL. Deaf ears my friend...deaf ears.... ;) The reality is that the fancier you make something work, the more people want to play with it. The percentage of skilled 'players' is usually relatively low, however. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 No Gustav....we had this conversation with regard to GOTO. Don't blame the fact it is there...blame the improper use of it.. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 29 June 2009 19:13 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 Hi Charlotte > .. And it's a great way to create a sloppy application: > the easier it is, the sloppier it becomes. You nailed it. Where have you been in this message flood? /gustav The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 18:05:12 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:05:12 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local><096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB><0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB><73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> Message-ID: <4a4bebad.1c07d00a.046e.ffffe0c9@mx.google.com> Hi Asager, I doubt if you will get more unique within the normal Access program then to use: Now() followed by a now() from (a reset of date - arbitrary number) added to the original Now() and then add on the autonumber What I am saying is, it is so easy to come up with a number that is "almost" guaranteed to be unique.. Pick a Star in the galaxy. Any star..how many miles is that from venus...that will do. I am NOT being facetious. If you devise a system of generating a unique number and you make your "system" unique enough, it will work.. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: 01 July 2009 23:58 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Actually I don't want to mimic the AutoNumber field type. I want a custom autonumber which is 1) reliable sequential, and 2) customable. Your two-table solution provides the first requirement and I will consider it for future use. But sometimes I need to supply an easy way of creating a new offset for the autonumber: e.g. using the current year as a leading number the user should have the ability to change the number let's say 20098001 to 20100001, making this a new starting point for the sequential numbering (normally this custom autonumber field should be locked on the form and only editable providing a password). I still find the DMAX-solution easier to manage for the second requirement. But as said I appreciate your proposal for a reliable sequential numbering. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Drew Wutka Sendt: 1. juli 2009 23:52 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering I've used Autonumbers as actual values (like Ticket numbers in a request system) where the number doesn't have to truly be sequential. But in the case you are talking about, it seems kind of odd to create a routine that mimics the AutoNumber field type, instead of just using that field type (in a separate table to keep it sequential). Hope it works out. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Thanks Drew - your explanation corresponds my reading your first posting. I always use AutoNumber exclusively for surrogate primary keys, never for alternate natural keys like OrderNumber. In my opinion AutoNumber (and the equivalent in SQL Server: Identity) is designed for surrogate keys, not for natural keys. You could use AutoNumber for natural keys, but then you are inviting troubles. In Access pressing Esc on entering a new record will increment the AutoNumber, leaving gaps in the numbering. And depending on which version of Access you use, a Compact Database will reset the autonumber to the next value after your records INcluding deleted trailing records, or it will reset to the next record after your records EXcluding deleted trailing records. Bottom line: You simply can't predict the value of an AutoNumber field. This is what makes AutoNumber an excellent candidate for surrogate primary keys because this kind of keys is supposed to be meaningless. You can ignore the special behaviour of AutoNumber if you use it as a surrogate key like OrderID, but you certainly can't ignore it if you want a natural key value like OrderNumber, which is supposed to be meaningful. Asger -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 18:27:45 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:27:45 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: <4a4bebad.1c07d00a.046e.ffffe0c9@mx.google.com> References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local> <096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB> <0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB> <73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> <4a4bebad.1c07d00a.046e.ffffe0c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907011627r193114a0r9b2fff3b4c8208f2@mail.gmail.com> Asger, just make sure to use an autonumber as your PKID, not your generated number. If at some later point in life, the criteria changes for the number, so be it. You PKs & FKs will love you for it. You can create a table for the sequence number by inserting a value into a record with only an Autonumber PK and some other field. I had a request where the facility request numbers were the date and a sequence of 3 digits ( 20090701001-20090701999) I created a sequence table and have a job that truncated that table each night at midnight. You need to know what happens if a number is in process of being created and a second user creates a new number but the first user/process cancels. Will you leave a hole? Will you save the record and flag it as cancelled? What if user 2 fnishes before user 1, does it matter if they are out of sequence, yet the numbers are sequential? David -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond > Sent: 01 July 2009 23:58 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering > > Actually I don't want to mimic the AutoNumber field type. I want a custom > autonumber which is 1) reliable sequential, and 2) customable. Your > two-table solution provides the first requirement and I will consider it > for > future use. But sometimes I need to supply an easy way of creating a new > offset for the autonumber: e.g. using the current year as a leading number > the user should have the ability to change the number let's say 20098001 to > 20100001, making this a new starting point for the sequential numbering > (normally this custom autonumber field should be locked on the form and > only > editable providing a password). > I still find the DMAX-solution easier to manage for the second requirement. > But as said I appreciate your proposal for a reliable sequential numbering. > > Asger > > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Wed Jul 1 18:34:04 2009 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 01:34:04 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: <4a4bebad.1c07d00a.046e.ffffe0c9@mx.google.com> References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local><096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB><0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB><73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> <4a4bebad.1c07d00a.046e.ffffe0c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <226169CC20DE446BB54CECA4D2961A9A@AB> Hi Max This possible would do for a unique autonumber. But it certainly won't do for a natural, alternate, and customizable key-value (phew), which is what I'm looking for. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Max Wanadoo Sendt: 2. juli 2009 01:05 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Hi Asager, I doubt if you will get more unique within the normal Access program then to use: Now() followed by a now() from (a reset of date - arbitrary number) added to the original Now() and then add on the autonumber What I am saying is, it is so easy to come up with a number that is "almost" guaranteed to be unique.. Pick a Star in the galaxy. Any star..how many miles is that from venus...that will do. I am NOT being facetious. If you devise a system of generating a unique number and you make your "system" unique enough, it will work.. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: 01 July 2009 23:58 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Actually I don't want to mimic the AutoNumber field type. I want a custom autonumber which is 1) reliable sequential, and 2) customable. Your two-table solution provides the first requirement and I will consider it for future use. But sometimes I need to supply an easy way of creating a new offset for the autonumber: e.g. using the current year as a leading number the user should have the ability to change the number let's say 20098001 to 20100001, making this a new starting point for the sequential numbering (normally this custom autonumber field should be locked on the form and only editable providing a password). I still find the DMAX-solution easier to manage for the second requirement. But as said I appreciate your proposal for a reliable sequential numbering. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Drew Wutka Sendt: 1. juli 2009 23:52 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering I've used Autonumbers as actual values (like Ticket numbers in a request system) where the number doesn't have to truly be sequential. But in the case you are talking about, it seems kind of odd to create a routine that mimics the AutoNumber field type, instead of just using that field type (in a separate table to keep it sequential). Hope it works out. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Thanks Drew - your explanation corresponds my reading your first posting. I always use AutoNumber exclusively for surrogate primary keys, never for alternate natural keys like OrderNumber. In my opinion AutoNumber (and the equivalent in SQL Server: Identity) is designed for surrogate keys, not for natural keys. You could use AutoNumber for natural keys, but then you are inviting troubles. In Access pressing Esc on entering a new record will increment the AutoNumber, leaving gaps in the numbering. And depending on which version of Access you use, a Compact Database will reset the autonumber to the next value after your records INcluding deleted trailing records, or it will reset to the next record after your records EXcluding deleted trailing records. Bottom line: You simply can't predict the value of an AutoNumber field. This is what makes AutoNumber an excellent candidate for surrogate primary keys because this kind of keys is supposed to be meaningless. You can ignore the special behaviour of AutoNumber if you use it as a surrogate key like OrderID, but you certainly can't ignore it if you want a natural key value like OrderNumber, which is supposed to be meaningful. Asger -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Wed Jul 1 19:13:06 2009 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:13:06 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00907011627r193114a0r9b2fff3b4c8208f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local><096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB><0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB><73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB><4a4bebad.1c07d00a.046e.ffffe0c9@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907011627r193114a0r9b2fff3b4c8208f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3E076412ED6B48B1953811D78CB2BB08@AB> David, I always use an AutoNumber as my PKID, and not my generated number. My original posting was: /* Using Autonumber for surrogate primary keys, I often need to manage custom autonumbering for alternate unique keys, e.g. for order numbers. I know this subject has been discussed several times before, but I couldn't find exactly what I was looking for in the archive. How do you manage custom autonumbering? I do it this way, which may not be the most efficient, so I'm calling for other suggestions: 1. On the form I set the property DefaultValue at design-time for the control holding the custom autonumbering field to: =DMAX(,) + 1 This will do in single-user environments, but will invite duplicate values in multi-user environments. So I use this run-time code in addition to the design-time DefaultValue: 2. Assuming the custom autonumbering field is called OrderNumber in a table called tblOrders: Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer) Dim intOrderNumber_Default As Integer Dim intOrderNumber_RunTime As Integer If NewRecord Then intOrderNumber_Default = OrderNumber.Value intOrderNumber_Runtine = DMAX("OrderNumber","tblOrders") + 1 If intOrderNumber_Runtime <> intOrderNumber_Default Then OrderNumber.Value = intOrderNumber_Runtime MsgBox "Another user has created a new order with the number " & _ intOrderNumber_Default & vbNewline & _ "Your order has got the number " & intOrderNumber_Runtime End If End If End Sub Do you think this solution has any pitfalls, or do you just have another more efficient/intelligent custom autonumbering? /* Your suggestion using a second table equals Drew's proposal, but it doesn't satisfy my requirement of a customisable alternate key, on which I was not enough explicit in my first posting. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee Sendt: 2. juli 2009 01:28 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Asger, just make sure to use an autonumber as your PKID, not your generated number. If at some later point in life, the criteria changes for the number, so be it. You PKs & FKs will love you for it. You can create a table for the sequence number by inserting a value into a record with only an Autonumber PK and some other field. I had a request where the facility request numbers were the date and a sequence of 3 digits ( 20090701001-20090701999) I created a sequence table and have a job that truncated that table each night at midnight. You need to know what happens if a number is in process of being created and a second user creates a new number but the first user/process cancels. Will you leave a hole? Will you save the record and flag it as cancelled? What if user 2 fnishes before user 1, does it matter if they are out of sequence, yet the numbers are sequential? David From kismert at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 19:35:21 2009 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:35:21 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Skill Zones Message-ID: <7c7841600907011735s3b650060u63c2223245e2d1f8@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Dan, I used Google to find it. I scrolled about 1/4 of the way down, became beguiled by Harkin's glamour shot, and got diverted to her TechRepublic blog. My real request is to the Database Advisors web master: could you put this in the Downloads section? And, since I'm looking at the site: The home page is way too long. Around 95% of visitors will never scroll through a long page -- they'll just look at what is immediately visible in their browser window. Also, the 'Conficker Eye Chart' is unfortunately implemented. The iframe 'catches' the cursor of a user scrolling with the mouse wheel, making the page feel even longer than it is. -Ken >From: "Dan Waters" >... >Go to www.databaseadvisors.com. Scroll down about 1/3 of the way to find >... From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Wed Jul 1 19:41:10 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:41:10 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net In-Reply-To: <4A498D7F.7020400@colbyconsulting.com> References: <6294B72AA36F429387FEE3E941E3214B@SusanOne> <926482BB467948F081FD9FA9A49E7D61@stevePC> <3B69BCC2C9BC464898ED41532A805C7D@SusanOne> <82EB70015BAE407DB89BF35EB7B04087@stevePC> <4a45c5ac.1818d00a.3a9f.ffffb772@mx.google.com> <05277B2BC7D2412E941FF1114BD204DD@stevePC> <4a45ecd8.0a1ad00a.6c6a.ffffa7d2@mx.google.com> <4A461F33.4000805@colbyconsulting.com> <88443EBFF2404A6E966F8153B234FD5A@stevePC> <4A479F78.1040306@colbyconsulting.com> <1437045222D348768FAF600D95A1096C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <157A9773405A49DF95BF3F392CDED704@danwaters> <000701c9f89b$71f01ab0$55d05010$@spb.ru> <49E4CB9E699B493EA06348790246D83C@danwaters> <4A48D47B.9090106@colbyconsulting.com> <05915C2D37DE40129DA9B72F91885447@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4A495557.4050401@colbyconsulting.com> <4A498D7F.7020400 @colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Funny, I was taking a copter flight through Redmond a while back, and the pilot got lost in the fog. He was getting worried that we wouldn't make it back to SeaTac, when we saw an office building looming out of the fog. I wrote a sign that said 'Where are we?' and held it up to the glass for the office workers to see. They scurried around, and came back with their own sign, 'You're in a helicopter'. I immediately knew where we were, and told the pilot which direction SeaTac was. He was impressed, and wanted to know how I knew where we were. I told him that the office folk's reply was technically correct, yet completely useless, so we had to be outside of Microsoft's tech support! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net ROTFL. I was just at his house the other day. Bill sent his jet into the Hickory regional airport to pick me up. They tell me it's the first time a 747 has ever landed their and they were holding their breath that it would get back off the ground. Of course they told me this AFTER I got back. Anyway, I had coffee with him and the wife. Just chit chat you know. He wanted to let me know that if I didn't lighten up I'd never make MSVP. He's such a nice guy, I have to say. He seemed really interested in my welfare. I tried to raise the bug issue thing but he just blew it off. Something about nobody listened to him either anymore (not that I really believe him). So I gave him some worthwhile tips on what charities to spend a little of that fund of his on. He also strong armed me for a couple of million $ donation. How can you say no to a guy like that? I guess my MSVP chances aren't too good now though, after this whole 2007 thing. 8( I really have to learn to keep my mouth shut. John W. 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From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 19:53:25 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:53:25 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: <3E076412ED6B48B1953811D78CB2BB08@AB> References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local> <0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB> <73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> <4a4bebad.1c07d00a.046e.ffffe0c9@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907011627r193114a0r9b2fff3b4c8208f2@mail.gmail.com> <3E076412ED6B48B1953811D78CB2BB08@AB> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907011753m75f8c420u758ae5042f29a465@mail.gmail.com> If this was in SQL, I'd create a udf, if Access a Function to access the second table and manipulate the date (or whatever) to your liking. In the function, Insert a record into a table, then return the value: If TSQL, using @@IDENTITY would return the last inserted PKID (so much easier) if VBA: insert a username or ID into a table such as: tblNaturalKeyGenerator PKID EntryUserID (or UserName) entryDate ( DefaultValue = Now() ) Then SELECT PKID, Max(EntryDate) tblNaturalKeyGenerator FROM WHERE UserID = MyUserID (or name) Get that PKID and do your concatenation to the date or whatever you wish. If tblNaturalKeyGenerator had 101 records in it and Jim (ID 15) inserts a record a split second before Bob (User 23) Both insertions take place (PKID's 102 & 103), but selecting the max PKID by the UserName or ID will give you their respective PKID. intOrderNumber_Runtine = FORMAT(NOW(),"YYYYMMDD") & RIGHT("0000" & DMAX("PKID","tblNaturalKeyGenerator ","[UserID]= 23"),4) =200907010103 On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Asger Blond wrote: > David, I always use an AutoNumber as my PKID, and not my generated number. > My original posting was: > /* > Using Autonumber for surrogate primary keys, I often need to manage custom > autonumbering for alternate unique keys, e.g. for order numbers. > I know this subject has been discussed several times before, but I couldn't > find exactly what I was looking for in the archive. > How do you manage custom autonumbering? > > I do it this way, which may not be the most efficient, so I'm calling for > other suggestions: > 1. On the form I set the property DefaultValue at design-time for the > control holding the custom autonumbering field to: > =DMAX(,
) + 1 > This will do in single-user environments, but will invite duplicate values > in multi-user environments. > So I use this run-time code in addition to the design-time DefaultValue: > 2. Assuming the custom autonumbering field is called OrderNumber in a table > called tblOrders: > Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer) > Dim intOrderNumber_Default As Integer > Dim intOrderNumber_RunTime As Integer > If NewRecord Then > intOrderNumber_Default = OrderNumber.Value > intOrderNumber_Runtine = DMAX("OrderNumber","tblOrders") + 1 > If intOrderNumber_Runtime <> intOrderNumber_Default Then > OrderNumber.Value = intOrderNumber_Runtime > MsgBox "Another user has created a new order with the number " & _ > intOrderNumber_Default & vbNewline & _ > "Your order has got the number " & intOrderNumber_Runtime > End If > End If > End Sub > Do you think this solution has any pitfalls, or do you just have another > more efficient/intelligent custom autonumbering? > /* > > Your suggestion using a second table equals Drew's proposal, but it doesn't > satisfy my requirement of a customisable alternate key, on which I was not > enough explicit in my first posting. > > Asger > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee > Sendt: 2. juli 2009 01:28 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering > > Asger, just make sure to use an autonumber as your PKID, not your generated > number. > > If at some later point in life, the criteria changes for the number, so be > it. > You PKs & FKs will love you for it. > > You can create a table for the sequence number by inserting a value into a > record with only an Autonumber PK and some other field. > > I had a request where the facility request numbers were the date and a > sequence of 3 digits ( 20090701001-20090701999) > > I created a sequence table and have a job that truncated that table each > night at midnight. > > You need to know what happens if a number is in process of being created > and > a second user > creates a new number but the first user/process cancels. > > Will you leave a hole? > > Will you save the record and flag it as cancelled? > > What if user 2 fnishes before user 1, does it matter if they are out of > sequence, yet the numbers are sequential? > > David > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Wed Jul 1 20:14:06 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:14:06 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access I love it In-Reply-To: <4a4b8226.1701d00a.11b9.1578@mx.google.com> References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B696E.60106@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B744E.6030808@nanaimo.ark.com> <4a4b8226.1701d00a.11b9.1578@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D055@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> "Excel is good for what it is designed for. It was not designed to replace a database" Max - this is totally on the money. I started out as an Excel Developer, but these days I am always pushing stuff into databases as they are nearly always database apps that are sitting in a tangled series of spreadsheets - generally very wrong. I LOVE the 'right tool for the job' stuff. When I train folks I often start out with a tin of cat food on the table, with a screwdriver, hammer, nails, stanley knife, hacksaw and a tin opener (or similar stuff). I explain how all of the items used either individually or collectively can get the cat food out of the tin, but which one is the BEST tool for the job, that will do with in the fastest time with the minimum of mess? Now - think about that before you decide to use only Excel or Word or whatever... I like to make these things as visual as possible, and often into a practical realm. Same when explain number formats. I get someone up the front and throw different clothes on them. Demonstrates that underneath it is just the same number in a new outfit, etc etc. Helps non techie types get their head around it I think. If nothing else they have fun - I hate boring training sessions! ;) cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2009 1:35 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access I love it The reason, I have found, that users like Excel is because they can SEE the data all in one go...all there in front of them. With a database you have to VISUALISE the effects of normalisation and table linking and variables and their contents/values. I have a Finance Dept who loved excel until the day came when she finally admitted that it had become so cumbersome with sheets linked to sheets linked to sheets that she finally admitted she needed a database (YEAH!) and could I help. Course I could. Once she had it, she never looked back and shortly after binned the cumbersome spreadsheets. Horses for courses. Excel is good for what it is designed for. It was not designed to replace a database. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: 01 July 2009 15:36 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access I love it Hey John I am agreeing with many of the points you made the other day (God help me). Let's not get into ribbons again. I consider Access to be more of a developer's program than a user's program. Most Office users haven't got a clue what Access does or how to do it, that is why we see so many users using EXCEL to perform activities that are really database specific (and they have reams of worksheets to show for their efforts). I am saddened when I see strong support for the developers lacking. I consider Access (kind of hate to be saying it) an excellent development program. And at times I want to "spit" whenever I hear other developers saying "Access! that is just a toy". In my many years (and you and I have been on this list a long long time) I have developed what I consider to be some pretty powerful applications using Access. I have looked at what some of the "big boys" have developed and in many cases they truly lack the vibrancy of an Access application. I can see MS's point of trying to create a product that all user's will feel comfortable with (marketing, marketing) but please don't do it at the expense of your loyal developer's. Just give us what we need. jwcolby wrote: >Tony, > >What do you mean by "user's program"? Obviously Access is a very powerful Rapid Application >Development environment. Can a user develop an Application? The short answer is sure, given the >smarts any user can do what we do. The long answer is... how long did it take for you to get good >at application development? It took me years of doing nothing else. Users generally have a "job" >in the organization which is not usually application development. > >I have users who develop reports and even forms. Some add fields to tables, though I discourage >that simply because the average user isn't thinking about normalization. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > > >Tony Septav wrote: > > >>Hey All >>Often Access totally surprises me. I have an application that uses split >>screens and 3 synched timer forms. The idea was to allow management to >>input/update data and it would be displayed to the employees on the >>floor. Initially I ran into problems with the timers and what Windows >>was running in the background. Brought in a friend of mine who is a >>hardware/software guru. He turned a lot of stuff off. Since then the app >>has been running flawlessly for 7 months now and everyone is happy. >>They visually have the information they need. >>My point >>Is Access a User's program or a true Developer's program? >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 1 20:21:13 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:21:13 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0907011022h471b73bbybc8502e3e6fa433@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> <4dd71a0c0907011022h471b73bbybc8502e3e6fa433@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4C0B89.9040203@colbyconsulting.com> I have to go looking. My web site died awhile back and I barely got up and running again. I used to have it there but no more. I used to have it on AccessD as well but no more. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Doug Steele wrote: > Hi John: > > I'd really appreciate it if you could find this SysVars demo. I've been > working on a self-assigned project to handle semi-constant control > information using classes (I assume this is what you're referring to), and > I'd be interested to see how you handled it. > > Thanks, > > Doug Steele > > >> I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars. That is another >> thing you just can't do >> without classes (it is the cached record idea). >> >> From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Wed Jul 1 20:21:58 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:21:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it In-Reply-To: <4A4A88CB.3000005@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> <4a4a733c.0a1ad00a.69bb.404b@mx.google.com> <4A4A88CB.3000005@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Seriously? Other then charts, and Form/Report libraries... (anyone seriously use the Access chart wizard?) ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it Well NOW I'M MAD. Your chart calls me a nubee? ;) BTW, Access routinely allows me to get into trouble. What is a tad intimidating is how many of the mentioned skills I do not have. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Tony, > > I was going to say just what Max said! > > Also - go to www.databaseadvisors.com and download a copy of a chart I made > last year. It's titled 'Microsoft Access Skill Zones' - see if that > resonates with your experience. > > Keep having fun! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:19 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it > > Tony, IMO it is both. That is, perhaps, a mixed blessing. But it can be a > user's program but it also has the power for developers to produce > solutions which bring bottom-line benefits to organisations, whether > economic or service related. > > Same question to Excel or Word...Same question to Emails... > > Max > Ps. Love your scenario. I thought of doing something like this to display > widgets progessing through a JIT shop floor. > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 1 20:25:38 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:25:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4A4BDCDE.30832.22A2B81D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com>, , <4A4BDCDE.30832.22A2B81D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4A4C0C92.5070702@colbyconsulting.com> Stuart, A framework really isn't possible without classes. Of course you don't NEED a framework. Imagine vb.Net without the .net library behind it and you have life without a framework. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Stuart McLachlan wrote: > No, Charlotte, you don't *need* any classes, but they can simplify life. > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 20:24:32 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:24:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Skill Zones References: <7c7841600907011735s3b650060u63c2223245e2d1f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34F1B8D114584A08B275E1D5C5610692@SusanOne> > I used Google to find it. I scrolled about 1/4 of the way down, became > beguiled by Harkin's glamour shot, and got diverted to her TechRepublic > blog. ========Boy... you need to get out more. But, thank you. :) Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 20:27:44 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:27:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> <4a4a733c.0a1ad00a.69bb.404b@mx.google.com><4A4A88CB.3000005@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <09821BE2618E4A16BFADC8733082C949@SusanOne> I used it long enough to write about it once. :) If the editor hadn't requested the section, I wouldn't have bothered. Susan H. > Seriously? Other then charts, and Form/Report libraries... (anyone > seriously use the Access chart wizard?) ;) From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Wed Jul 1 20:30:27 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:30:27 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 In-Reply-To: <594348.94524.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <594348.94524.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I believe that's on http://mvps.org/access I don't see why it wouldn't work in any version of Access. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:17 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Good Morning Everyone, ? Several years ago there was a relinker that checked and if needed relinked the frontend of an acess database to the backend.? Does anyone know if that has been modified to work with the current version of Access and if so where I can get a copy? ? Thanks! ? Dale -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Wed Jul 1 20:37:54 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:37:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I've known people that have used a hammer as a screwdriver, using a hammer is just bad practice! Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones You can drive nails with a rock too, but a hammer works better and the result is much neater. ;P Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT need classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. Ignore the apple... 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From nd500_lo at charter.net Wed Jul 1 20:45:25 2009 From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:45:25 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net In-Reply-To: References: <6294B72AA36F429387FEE3E941E3214B@SusanOne> <926482BB467948F081FD9FA9A49E7D61@stevePC> <3B69BCC2C9BC464898ED41532A805C7D@SusanOne> <82EB70015BAE407DB89BF35EB7B04087@stevePC> <4a45c5ac.1818d00a.3a9f.ffffb772@mx.google.com> <05277B2BC7D2412E941FF1114BD204DD@stevePC> <4a45ecd8.0a1ad00a.6c6a.ffffa7d2@mx.google.com> <4A461F33.4000805@colbyconsulting.com> <88443EBFF2404A6E966F8153B234FD5A@stevePC> <4A479F78.1040306@colbyconsulting.com> <1437045222D348768FAF600D95A1096C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <157A9773405A49DF95BF3F392CDED704@danwaters> <000701c9f89b$71f01ab0$55d05010$@spb.ru> <49E4CB9E699B493EA06348790246D83C@danwaters> <4A48D47B.9090106@colbyconsulting.com> <05915C2D37DE40129DA9B72F91885447@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4A495557.4050401@colbyconsulting.com><4A498D7F.7020400 @colbyconsul ting.com> Message-ID: <90D9470A52EC4F8E9742DA52279D582C@dsunit1> Oooooooooooooooooooo...wicked!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 5:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net Funny, I was taking a copter flight through Redmond a while back, and the pilot got lost in the fog. He was getting worried that we wouldn't make it back to SeaTac, when we saw an office building looming out of the fog. I wrote a sign that said 'Where are we?' and held it up to the glass for the office workers to see. They scurried around, and came back with their own sign, 'You're in a helicopter'. I immediately knew where we were, and told the pilot which direction SeaTac was. He was impressed, and wanted to know how I knew where we were. I told him that the office folk's reply was technically correct, yet completely useless, so we had to be outside of Microsoft's tech support! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net ROTFL. I was just at his house the other day. Bill sent his jet into the Hickory regional airport to pick me up. They tell me it's the first time a 747 has ever landed their and they were holding their breath that it would get back off the ground. Of course they told me this AFTER I got back. Anyway, I had coffee with him and the wife. Just chit chat you know. He wanted to let me know that if I didn't lighten up I'd never make MSVP. He's such a nice guy, I have to say. He seemed really interested in my welfare. I tried to raise the bug issue thing but he just blew it off. Something about nobody listened to him either anymore (not that I really believe him). So I gave him some worthwhile tips on what charities to spend a little of that fund of his on. He also strong armed me for a couple of million $ donation. How can you say no to a guy like that? I guess my MSVP chances aren't too good now though, after this whole 2007 thing. 8( I really have to learn to keep my mouth shut. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Wed Jul 1 21:11:33 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:11:33 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Great analogy! Personally, I would compare coding without classes like using Excel to store your data. It works, it functions. Then you discover Access...... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:56 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Of course I agree with Charlotte, when you finally wrap your mind around classes, suddenly they become like a nail gun vs a hammer. But you have to really get there and that is the problem most people have. Imagine that you live a mile from town. You have always ridden a bike. It seems like that works quite well, after all you have always ridden a bike, and you cannot really imagine why you would need more. Then your friend lends you a car while he's on vacation for the month. Asks you to feed his cat and dog, check on his mother in the next town over. you drive, you run around, you haul stuff for his mom, you suddenly see that a car is a different breed of transportation from a bike. A bike works, but it is just a different breed. Until you actually use it, day in and day out, you just never appreciated how different it was and what it allowed you to do. There are things that you simply cannot reasonably do without classes. But until you have tried to do those things you cannot understand what they might possibly be. Let me give you an example, caching data. I use tables where the data doesn't change from month to month. These tables have hundreds of records, and yes, I could just set up things to seek etc to go through and find data in these tables. But I USE these tables to control whether specific tabs are displayed, whether certain subforms are allowed to load and so forth. I use these tables PROGRAMMATICALLY, in loops in programs where decisions are made etc. To try and seek to specific records then get certain fields would be several orders of magnitude slower than to simply load each record into a class, then load those record class instances into a collection, keyed on a common lookup field (what you would Find Next on or SEEK on). Record / record supervisor. Once I have these I can get at any field that I need (or specific fields that I need all of the time) and I can get at it INSTANTLY. Collections of classes keyed on a search data are something that you cannot even understand until you do it. Once you do it, the light bulb goes on. Goto http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp and click on the zipcode demo. You cannot do this kind of thing without classes. Click on the Openargs demo. You cannot do this without classes. I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars. That is another thing you just can't do without classes (it is the cached record idea). I would never say that you can't be a very good, very successful developer without classes. I would say that once you understand and use them you will be in an entirely different league, because what you can do suddenly changes. I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER transition smoothly to .Net. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Wed Jul 1 22:01:25 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:01:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 In-Reply-To: <4a4be8f2.0a1ad00a.357e.ffff8a07@mx.google.com> References: <6294B72AA36F429387FEE3E941E3214B@SusanOne><926482BB467948F081FD9FA9A49E7D61@stevePC><3B69BCC2C9BC464898ED41532A805C7D@SusanOne><82EB70015BAE407DB89BF35EB7B04087@stevePC><4a45c5ac.1818d00a.3a9f.ffffb772@mx.google.com><05277B2BC7D2412E941FF1114BD204DD@stevePC><57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D031@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a4be8f2.0a1ad00a.357e.ffff8a07@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Sense of humor??!?! Me? Egads, life's too short to not have a sense of humor!!! Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 5:54 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 Hahaha that is soooo cruel... I didn't take you for having such a sense of humour... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 01 July 2009 23:50 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 Yes, insert OS CD, reboot machine. Reinstall OS. Insert Office 97 CD, install Office 97. There, now Access will run much faster! (Oh, you want Access 2007 to run faster.....hmmmmmm, get a prettier ribbon?) ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:25 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 Does anyone find that A2007 runs much slower that 2003? I and the ONE client who uses 2007 both find it noticeably and significantly slower. Is there some fix for that? Rocky The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Wed Jul 1 22:01:25 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:01:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local><096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB><0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB><73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> Message-ID: #2 is pretty easy to... INSERT INTO tblOrderNumber ([OrderNumber],[OrderID]) VALUES (20098000,0) Then DELETE * FROM tblOrderNumber WHERE tblOrderNumber=20098000 And whalla, your next OrderNumber will be 20098001 Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 5:58 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Actually I don't want to mimic the AutoNumber field type. I want a custom autonumber which is 1) reliable sequential, and 2) customable. Your two-table solution provides the first requirement and I will consider it for future use. But sometimes I need to supply an easy way of creating a new offset for the autonumber: e.g. using the current year as a leading number the user should have the ability to change the number let's say 20098001 to 20100001, making this a new starting point for the sequential numbering (normally this custom autonumber field should be locked on the form and only editable providing a password). I still find the DMAX-solution easier to manage for the second requirement. But as said I appreciate your proposal for a reliable sequential numbering. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Drew Wutka Sendt: 1. juli 2009 23:52 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering I've used Autonumbers as actual values (like Ticket numbers in a request system) where the number doesn't have to truly be sequential. But in the case you are talking about, it seems kind of odd to create a routine that mimics the AutoNumber field type, instead of just using that field type (in a separate table to keep it sequential). Hope it works out. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Thanks Drew - your explanation corresponds my reading your first posting. I always use AutoNumber exclusively for surrogate primary keys, never for alternate natural keys like OrderNumber. In my opinion AutoNumber (and the equivalent in SQL Server: Identity) is designed for surrogate keys, not for natural keys. You could use AutoNumber for natural keys, but then you are inviting troubles. In Access pressing Esc on entering a new record will increment the AutoNumber, leaving gaps in the numbering. And depending on which version of Access you use, a Compact Database will reset the autonumber to the next value after your records INcluding deleted trailing records, or it will reset to the next record after your records EXcluding deleted trailing records. Bottom line: You simply can't predict the value of an AutoNumber field. This is what makes AutoNumber an excellent candidate for surrogate primary keys because this kind of keys is supposed to be meaningless. You can ignore the special behaviour of AutoNumber if you use it as a surrogate key like OrderID, but you certainly can't ignore it if you want a natural key value like OrderNumber, which is supposed to be meaningful. Asger -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Wed Jul 1 22:01:25 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:01:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: <3E076412ED6B48B1953811D78CB2BB08@AB> References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local><096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB><0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB><73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB><4a4bebad.1c07d00a.046e.ffffe0c9@mx.google.com><8786a4c00907011627r193114a0r9b2fff3b4c8208f2@mail.gmail.com> <3E076412ED6B48B1953811D78CB2BB08@AB> Message-ID: As I pointed out, let JET do the work. As long as you want sequential, and you insert a new record (with the actual primary key) when your code below would normally run, you have a sequential number, matched with no worry about duplication, your actual key will be matched with a sequential number (doesn't matter, in a multiuser environment, the Autonumber would just be created and sequenced, automatically linked to the primary key). And you can set any starting (or new starting) point, with a simple Append query. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:13 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering David, I always use an AutoNumber as my PKID, and not my generated number. My original posting was: /* Using Autonumber for surrogate primary keys, I often need to manage custom autonumbering for alternate unique keys, e.g. for order numbers. I know this subject has been discussed several times before, but I couldn't find exactly what I was looking for in the archive. How do you manage custom autonumbering? I do it this way, which may not be the most efficient, so I'm calling for other suggestions: 1. On the form I set the property DefaultValue at design-time for the control holding the custom autonumbering field to: =DMAX(,
) + 1 This will do in single-user environments, but will invite duplicate values in multi-user environments. So I use this run-time code in addition to the design-time DefaultValue: 2. Assuming the custom autonumbering field is called OrderNumber in a table called tblOrders: Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer) Dim intOrderNumber_Default As Integer Dim intOrderNumber_RunTime As Integer If NewRecord Then intOrderNumber_Default = OrderNumber.Value intOrderNumber_Runtine = DMAX("OrderNumber","tblOrders") + 1 If intOrderNumber_Runtime <> intOrderNumber_Default Then OrderNumber.Value = intOrderNumber_Runtime MsgBox "Another user has created a new order with the number " & _ intOrderNumber_Default & vbNewline & _ "Your order has got the number " & intOrderNumber_Runtime End If End If End Sub Do you think this solution has any pitfalls, or do you just have another more efficient/intelligent custom autonumbering? /* Your suggestion using a second table equals Drew's proposal, but it doesn't satisfy my requirement of a customisable alternate key, on which I was not enough explicit in my first posting. Asger The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Wed Jul 1 22:48:25 2009 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:48:25 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it Message-ID: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE03864E@server.BondSoftware.local> Tried it once, wouldn't touch it again with a bargepole. Easy to programmatically poke out to Excel and the results are what the customer would expect. Stephen Bond -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2009 1:30 p.m. To: Stephen Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it Seriously? Other then charts, and Form/Report libraries... (anyone seriously use the Access chart wizard?) ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it Well NOW I'M MAD. Your chart calls me a nubee? ;) BTW, Access routinely allows me to get into trouble. What is a tad intimidating is how many of the mentioned skills I do not have. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Tony, > > I was going to say just what Max said! > > Also - go to www.databaseadvisors.com and download a copy of a chart I made > last year. It's titled 'Microsoft Access Skill Zones' - see if that > resonates with your experience. > > Keep having fun! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:19 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it > > Tony, IMO it is both. That is, perhaps, a mixed blessing. But it can be a > user's program but it also has the power for developers to produce > solutions which bring bottom-line benefits to organisations, whether > economic or service related. > > Same question to Excel or Word...Same question to Emails... > > Max > Ps. Love your scenario. I thought of doing something like this to display > widgets progessing through a JIT shop floor. > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Wed Jul 1 22:54:06 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:54:06 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it In-Reply-To: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE03864E@server.BondSoftware.local> References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE03864E@server.BondSoftware.local> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D05A@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> yep, this is one of the major reasons I export data to excel. Charts and Pivot Tables. Nothing in Access even comes close. Although charting in XL2007 has some issues according to those who know. regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2009 1:48 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it Tried it once, wouldn't touch it again with a bargepole. Easy to programmatically poke out to Excel and the results are what the customer would expect. Stephen Bond -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2009 1:30 p.m. To: Stephen Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it Seriously? Other then charts, and Form/Report libraries... (anyone seriously use the Access chart wizard?) ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it Well NOW I'M MAD. Your chart calls me a nubee? ;) BTW, Access routinely allows me to get into trouble. What is a tad intimidating is how many of the mentioned skills I do not have. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Tony, > > I was going to say just what Max said! > > Also - go to www.databaseadvisors.com and download a copy of a chart I made > last year. It's titled 'Microsoft Access Skill Zones' - see if that > resonates with your experience. > > Keep having fun! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:19 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it > > Tony, IMO it is both. That is, perhaps, a mixed blessing. But it can be a > user's program but it also has the power for developers to produce > solutions which bring bottom-line benefits to organisations, whether > economic or service related. > > Same question to Excel or Word...Same question to Emails... > > Max > Ps. Love your scenario. 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No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. From adtp at airtelmail.in Thu Jul 2 00:12:18 2009 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:42:18 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function References: <7c7841600907011249k3ca9adb6l4a893b6c0de59c49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201c9fad4$3f4ea820$9e5fa27a@personald6374f> Thanks Ken! - for the interesting findings, enhancing the overall coverage of this thread for future reference. Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Ismert To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 01:19 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pseudo Pointer to a Function A.D., To elaborate on your first test: CallByName Modules("<>"), "<>", VbMethod Modules("ModuleName") returns an Access Module object, which is almost identical to the VBIDE.CodeModule object. So, CallByName(Modules("ModuleName"), "CountOfLines", VbGet) Will return the line count for module ModuleName. Of course, Application.Run only works for uniquely-named public functions. So, if you have Module1.SomeFunc, and Module2.SomeFunc defined, Application.Run "SomeFunc" Will return Error 2157: Microsoft Access can't find the procedure 'SomeFunc.' I haven't found a fix for this. Qualifying the name as "Module1.SomeFunc" or "Module2.SomeFunc" won't help. You can prefix the name of the project, which will let you call code in a library, but that doesn't solve the non-uniquely named function problem. -Ken From dkalsow at yahoo.com Thu Jul 2 05:40:10 2009 From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [AccessD] Starting Point in Access 2007 Message-ID: <896404.30321.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Good Morning, ? Does anyone have a database with a nice splash screen and/or menu system in access 2007 that they are willing to share.? Several years ago I did a lot of programming in the previous version of Access and when on to other projects.? Now I changed jobs and am again being asked to write Access applications.? It looks like M$ is encouraging a new look in 2007.? I could create them myself but I thought if someone was willing to share there was no reason to recreate it. ? Thanks! ? Dale From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 06:26:43 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:26:43 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] IP Mask Message-ID: Stuart, The function you posted to get the IP Sub net mask had an error in line: GetIPMask = ConvertAddressToString(Listing.mIPInfo(1).dwMask) (5 lines up from end of code) which shoule be: GetMyIPMask = ConvertAddressToString(Listing.mIPInfo(1).dwMask) Runs great. many thanks Max From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jul 2 06:31:32 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:31:32 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Starting Point in Access 2007 Message-ID: Hi Dale > .. a nice ... menu system in access 2007 > .. looks like M$ is encouraging a new look in 2007 Oh my! Where have you been for the last week?? Now we can look forward to receiving 50+ messages per day. (Not much help, I know, but I don't work much with A2007). /gustav >>> dkalsow at yahoo.com 02-07-2009 12:40 >>> Good Morning, Does anyone have a database with a nice splash screen and/or menu system in access 2007 that they are willing to share. Several years ago I did a lot of programming in the previous version of Access and when on to other projects. Now I changed jobs and am again being asked to write Access applications. It looks like M$ is encouraging a new look in 2007. I could create them myself but I thought if someone was willing to share there was no reason to recreate it. Thanks! Dale From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 06:37:04 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:37:04 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] How to copy from Access Grid form, without getting the column headers Message-ID: Hello All, I wonder do you know of a convienent way to catch the contents of a row in an Access Grid, and put that data on the clipboard, without the headers. IOW, my user wanted to copy and paste the data from the grid to an Excel sheet, but she does not want to include the row headers in her sheet. I would prefer to avoid the two step approach of a) paste to a blank Excel Sheet, and b) copy again from within Excel. To summarise, I want the user to be able to copy a row from Access 2003, and the data that is placed on the clipboard should contain just the 15 columns of data, with no header information. I can imagine two possible solutions Solution A A neat class that someone has already written that uses VBA to catch the columns and programatically places the data on the clipboard, seperating each values with tabs: this should be a good solution I suppose Solution B Someone knows a secret trick, something like CTRL + 'SOMEKEY' + C, and this trick only places the values and ignores the headers. Thanks in advance for you assistance, As it is my wedding anniversary on Saturday, can I wish you all a great day if you celebrate it also for independance. Mark Breen 2009/7/2 Dale Kalsow > Good Morning, > > Does anyone have a database with a nice splash screen and/or menu system in > access 2007 that they are willing to share. Several years ago I did a lot > of programming in the previous version of Access and when on to other > projects. Now I changed jobs and am again being asked to write Access > applications. It looks like M$ is encouraging a new look in 2007. I could > create them myself but I thought if someone was willing to share there was > no reason to recreate it. > > Thanks! > > Dale > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jul 2 06:39:44 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:39:44 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Skill Zones Message-ID: Hi Max > Susan, I replied to this, but I am still laughing...this is so funny.... That may be so, but your laughing may reach an absolute halt. Calling those nice ladies "guys" ... I would seek shelter - very far away. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 02-07-2009 00:44 >>> No, but I may be slightly insensitive....wasn't before i joined this forum...Hardened criminal now...LOL You guys are just out of this world...love the craic... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 01 July 2009 23:29 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Maypole! Maypole! Maypole! Can you feel the love Max???? ;) Susan H. > Max, > > May I remind you that Susan and I are still willing to practice maypole > dancing? Speaking of common sense .... > > Thank you Stuart....phew! Thought common sense had left the forum in > place of PC. > > No, Charlotte, you don't *need* any classes, but they can simplify > life. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 2 06:54:12 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:54:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How to copy from Access Grid form, without getting the column headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A4C9FE4.8000607@colbyconsulting.com> Mark, Have you tried simply selecting the row using the row selector on the left, copying to the paste buffer, and then pasting that to Excel. AFAIK that works. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > I wonder do you know of a convienent way to catch the contents of a row in > an Access Grid, and put that data on the clipboard, without the headers. > > IOW, my user wanted to copy and paste the data from the grid to an Excel > sheet, but she does not want to include the row headers in her sheet. I > would prefer to avoid the two step approach of a) paste to a blank Excel > Sheet, and b) copy again from within Excel. > > To summarise, I want the user to be able to copy a row from Access 2003, and > the data that is placed on the clipboard should contain just the 15 columns > of data, with no header information. > > I can imagine two possible solutions > Solution A > A neat class that someone has already written that uses VBA to catch the > columns and programatically places the data on the clipboard, seperating > each values with tabs: this should be a good solution I suppose > > Solution B > Someone knows a secret trick, something like CTRL + 'SOMEKEY' + C, and this > trick only places the values and ignores the headers. > > Thanks in advance for you assistance, > > > As it is my wedding anniversary on Saturday, can I wish you all a great day > if you celebrate it also for independance. > > Mark Breen > > > > 2009/7/2 Dale Kalsow > >> Good Morning, >> >> Does anyone have a database with a nice splash screen and/or menu system in >> access 2007 that they are willing to share. Several years ago I did a lot >> of programming in the previous version of Access and when on to other >> projects. Now I changed jobs and am again being asked to write Access >> applications. It looks like M$ is encouraging a new look in 2007. I could >> create them myself but I thought if someone was willing to share there was >> no reason to recreate it. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dale >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 07:01:00 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:01:00 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] How to copy from Access Grid form, without getting the column headers In-Reply-To: <4A4C9FE4.8000607@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A4C9FE4.8000607@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hiya John, If I select the row selector and then do a copy (Edit and Copy, or CTRL + C, or right click and copy), Access actually put the headers and the row in question onto the clipboard. then when you paste into Excel, you convienently get the headers, which is great when you want them, but not when you do not want them. Any other throughts? Aren't you up early ? Mark 2009/7/2 jwcolby > Mark, > > Have you tried simply selecting the row using the row selector on the left, > copying to the paste > buffer, and then pasting that to Excel. AFAIK that works. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Mark Breen wrote: > > Hello All, > > I wonder do you know of a convienent way to catch the contents of a row > in > > an Access Grid, and put that data on the clipboard, without the headers. > > > > IOW, my user wanted to copy and paste the data from the grid to an Excel > > sheet, but she does not want to include the row headers in her sheet. I > > would prefer to avoid the two step approach of a) paste to a blank Excel > > Sheet, and b) copy again from within Excel. > > > > To summarise, I want the user to be able to copy a row from Access 2003, > and > > the data that is placed on the clipboard should contain just the 15 > columns > > of data, with no header information. > > > > I can imagine two possible solutions > > Solution A > > A neat class that someone has already written that uses VBA to catch the > > columns and programatically places the data on the clipboard, seperating > > each values with tabs: this should be a good solution I suppose > > > > Solution B > > Someone knows a secret trick, something like CTRL + 'SOMEKEY' + C, and > this > > trick only places the values and ignores the headers. > > > > Thanks in advance for you assistance, > > > > > > As it is my wedding anniversary on Saturday, can I wish you all a great > day > > if you celebrate it also for independance. > > > > Mark Breen > > > > > > > > 2009/7/2 Dale Kalsow > > > >> Good Morning, > >> > >> Does anyone have a database with a nice splash screen and/or menu system > in > >> access 2007 that they are willing to share. Several years ago I did a > lot > >> of programming in the previous version of Access and when on to other > >> projects. Now I changed jobs and am again being asked to write Access > >> applications. It looks like M$ is encouraging a new look in 2007. I > could > >> create them myself but I thought if someone was willing to share there > was > >> no reason to recreate it. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Dale > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 07:01:48 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:01:48 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ah well, that is where you are wrong. In the UK everybody is called Guys, regardless of gender. Don't worry too much, it will eventually come to you - civilisation is a bit slow going eastwards. xxx On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Max > > > Susan, I replied to this, but I am still laughing...this is so funny.... > > That may be so, but your laughing may reach an absolute halt. > Calling those nice ladies "guys" ... I would seek shelter - very far away. > > /gustav > > > >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 02-07-2009 00:44 >>> > No, but I may be slightly insensitive....wasn't before i joined this > forum...Hardened criminal now...LOL > > You guys are just out of this world...love the craic... > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: 01 July 2009 23:29 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Maypole! Maypole! Maypole! > > Can you feel the love Max???? ;) > > Susan H. > > Max, > > > > May I remind you that Susan and I are still willing to practice maypole > > dancing? Speaking of common sense .... > > > > Thank you Stuart....phew! Thought common sense had left the forum in > > place of PC. > > > > No, Charlotte, you don't *need* any classes, but they can simplify > > life. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 2 07:19:45 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:19:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How to copy from Access Grid form, without getting the column headers In-Reply-To: References: <4A4C9FE4.8000607@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A4CA5E1.5050007@colbyconsulting.com> Son of a gun, so it does. I was operating on faulty memory apparently (more and more these days). > Any other thoughts? None that are immediately useful. If you must go through the clipboard there are functions to retrieve the clipboard and place things in the clipboard. You could pull it out into a text string, search for the first CRLF and delete that first line, then place it back in the clipboard. Kind of clunky. Or in a button click you could programmatically find the record(s) selected directly in the form, and copy that to the paste buffer. Or you could directly copy the data from Access to Excel using automation. I could make any of those solutions work but I don't have existing code that just does that. > Aren't you up early ? It is 0800 east coast time. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Mark Breen wrote: > Hiya John, > If I select the row selector and then do a copy (Edit and Copy, or CTRL + C, > or right click and copy), Access actually put the headers and the row in > question onto the clipboard. > > then when you paste into Excel, you convienently get the headers, which is > great when you want them, but not when you do not want them. > > Any other throughts? > > Aren't you up early ? > > Mark > > > > 2009/7/2 jwcolby > >> Mark, >> >> Have you tried simply selecting the row using the row selector on the left, >> copying to the paste >> buffer, and then pasting that to Excel. AFAIK that works. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Mark Breen wrote: >>> Hello All, >>> I wonder do you know of a convienent way to catch the contents of a row >> in >>> an Access Grid, and put that data on the clipboard, without the headers. >>> >>> IOW, my user wanted to copy and paste the data from the grid to an Excel >>> sheet, but she does not want to include the row headers in her sheet. I >>> would prefer to avoid the two step approach of a) paste to a blank Excel >>> Sheet, and b) copy again from within Excel. >>> >>> To summarise, I want the user to be able to copy a row from Access 2003, >> and >>> the data that is placed on the clipboard should contain just the 15 >> columns >>> of data, with no header information. >>> >>> I can imagine two possible solutions >>> Solution A >>> A neat class that someone has already written that uses VBA to catch the >>> columns and programatically places the data on the clipboard, seperating >>> each values with tabs: this should be a good solution I suppose >>> >>> Solution B >>> Someone knows a secret trick, something like CTRL + 'SOMEKEY' + C, and >> this >>> trick only places the values and ignores the headers. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for you assistance, >>> >>> >>> As it is my wedding anniversary on Saturday, can I wish you all a great >> day >>> if you celebrate it also for independance. >>> >>> Mark Breen >>> >>> >>> >>> 2009/7/2 Dale Kalsow >>> >>>> Good Morning, >>>> >>>> Does anyone have a database with a nice splash screen and/or menu system >> in >>>> access 2007 that they are willing to share. Several years ago I did a >> lot >>>> of programming in the previous version of Access and when on to other >>>> projects. Now I changed jobs and am again being asked to write Access >>>> applications. It looks like M$ is encouraging a new look in 2007. I >> could >>>> create them myself but I thought if someone was willing to share there >> was >>>> no reason to recreate it. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Dale >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 07:20:29 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:20:29 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] How to copy from Access Grid form, without getting the column headers In-Reply-To: References: <4A4C9FE4.8000607@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark, In excel if you create a Macro you can then use that. I have just tried it and it works fine. In Excel, click on Tools/Macro/Record New Macro. Give it a name and then invoke it with something easy like Ctl-Z. Then when it start recording, click on Edit/Delete then click on Stop Recording. Now when the person inserts the grid data with Ctl-V, tell her to click on the row with the header information and press Ctl-z and it is gone. max On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hiya John, > If I select the row selector and then do a copy (Edit and Copy, or CTRL + > C, > or right click and copy), Access actually put the headers and the row in > question onto the clipboard. > > then when you paste into Excel, you convienently get the headers, which is > great when you want them, but not when you do not want them. > > Any other throughts? > > Aren't you up early ? > > Mark > > > > 2009/7/2 jwcolby > > > Mark, > > > > Have you tried simply selecting the row using the row selector on the > left, > > copying to the paste > > buffer, and then pasting that to Excel. AFAIK that works. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > I wonder do you know of a convienent way to catch the contents of a row > > in > > > an Access Grid, and put that data on the clipboard, without the > headers. > > > > > > IOW, my user wanted to copy and paste the data from the grid to an > Excel > > > sheet, but she does not want to include the row headers in her sheet. > I > > > would prefer to avoid the two step approach of a) paste to a blank > Excel > > > Sheet, and b) copy again from within Excel. > > > > > > To summarise, I want the user to be able to copy a row from Access > 2003, > > and > > > the data that is placed on the clipboard should contain just the 15 > > columns > > > of data, with no header information. > > > > > > I can imagine two possible solutions > > > Solution A > > > A neat class that someone has already written that uses VBA to catch > the > > > columns and programatically places the data on the clipboard, > seperating > > > each values with tabs: this should be a good solution I suppose > > > > > > Solution B > > > Someone knows a secret trick, something like CTRL + 'SOMEKEY' + C, and > > this > > > trick only places the values and ignores the headers. > > > > > > Thanks in advance for you assistance, > > > > > > > > > As it is my wedding anniversary on Saturday, can I wish you all a great > > day > > > if you celebrate it also for independance. > > > > > > Mark Breen > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/7/2 Dale Kalsow > > > > > >> Good Morning, > > >> > > >> Does anyone have a database with a nice splash screen and/or menu > system > > in > > >> access 2007 that they are willing to share. Several years ago I did a > > lot > > >> of programming in the previous version of Access and when on to other > > >> projects. Now I changed jobs and am again being asked to write Access > > >> applications. It looks like M$ is encouraging a new look in 2007. I > > could > > >> create them myself but I thought if someone was willing to share there > > was > > >> no reason to recreate it. > > >> > > >> Thanks! > > >> > > >> Dale > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> AccessD mailing list > > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 08:10:48 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:10:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How to copy from Access Grid form, without getting the column headers References: Message-ID: I don't know if it'll work or not, but have you tried using Excel's Paste Special -- I know there's a Values option, but in this case, Excel would probably consider the header information values, but can't hurt to try. Susan H. > Solution B > Someone knows a secret trick, something like CTRL + 'SOMEKEY' + C, and > this > trick only places the values and ignores the headers. > From ppked at telus.net Thu Jul 2 08:45:54 2009 From: ppked at telus.net (Ed MacArthur) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:45:54 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Remove form list Message-ID: Please take me off this list asap Thanx From pharold at proftesting.com Thu Jul 2 09:10:08 2009 From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:10:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4ba1f9.1818d00a.50a6.538a@mx.google.com><4A4BC63A.70901@colbyconsulting.com><4a4bcc39.0508d00a.40d4.ffffb2e6@mx.google.com><4A3AD867507640F597BEC381FC6C0838@Mattys> Message-ID: Tom Baker - #4 forever Perry Harold -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 6:21 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones I meant Doctor #3, Jon Pertwee, of course. The video has the wrong label on it. - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Mattys" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >I started watching at Dr. #2 (the best one IMO) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz7e9kQ2-Uk > > - > Michael R Mattys > MapPoint and Database Dev > www.mattysconsulting.com > - > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Max Wanadoo" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > >> Who have a TV program in UK called Dr. Who. >> >> Exterminate...Exterminate...Exterminate >> >> In a very gravely voice by a alien (settle down Rocky!) called a Darlek. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who >> >> anyway, consider me assimilated. I am getting close to my "more time >> off" >> situation, and I will then concentrate on Classes, et al. >> >> Max >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: 01 July 2009 21:26 >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >> Additionally, much of what you build will be classes as well. >> >> Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Max Wanadoo wrote: >>> Good point, Charlotte. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >>> Foust >>> Sent: 01 July 2009 18:05 >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >>> >>>> I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER >>> transition smoothly to .Net. >>> >>> I have to agree with that, John. EVERYTHING in .Net is an object, even >>> a simple string. Everything has methods and properties, and you have to >>> learn to work with them rather than just operate on them. >>> >>> Charlotte Foust >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:56 AM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >>> >>> Of course I agree with Charlotte, when you finally wrap your mind around >>> classes, suddenly they become like a nail gun vs a hammer. But you have >>> to really get there and that is the problem most people have. >>> >>> Imagine that you live a mile from town. You have always ridden a bike. >>> It seems like that works quite well, after all you have always ridden a >>> bike, and you cannot really imagine why you would need more. >>> >>> Then your friend lends you a car while he's on vacation for the month. >>> Asks you to feed his cat and dog, check on his mother in the next town >>> over. you drive, you run around, you haul stuff for his mom, you >>> suddenly see that a car is a different breed of transportation from a >>> bike. A bike works, but it is just a different breed. >>> >>> Until you actually use it, day in and day out, you just never >>> appreciated how different it was and what it allowed you to do. >>> >>> There are things that you simply cannot reasonably do without classes. >>> But until you have tried to do those things you cannot understand what >>> they might possibly be. >>> >>> Let me give you an example, caching data. >>> >>> I use tables where the data doesn't change from month to month. These >>> tables have hundreds of records, and yes, I could just set up things to >>> seek etc to go through and find data in these tables. But I USE these >>> tables to control whether specific tabs are displayed, whether certain >>> subforms are allowed to load and so forth. I use these tables >>> PROGRAMMATICALLY, in loops in programs where decisions are made etc. To >>> try and seek to specific records then get certain fields would be >>> several orders of magnitude slower than to simply load each record into >>> a class, then load those record class instances into a collection, keyed >>> on a common lookup field (what you would Find Next on or SEEK on). >>> >>> Record / record supervisor. Once I have these I can get at any field >>> that I need (or specific fields that I need all of the time) and I can >>> get at it INSTANTLY. >>> >>> Collections of classes keyed on a search data are something that you >>> cannot even understand until you do it. Once you do it, the light bulb >>> goes on. >>> >>> Goto http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp and click on the >>> zipcode demo. You cannot do this kind of thing without classes. >>> >>> Click on the Openargs demo. You cannot do this without classes. >>> >>> I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars. That is another >>> thing you just can't do without classes (it is the cached record idea). >>> >>> I would never say that you can't be a very good, very successful >>> developer without classes. I would say that once you understand and use >>> them you will be in an entirely different league, because what you can >>> do suddenly changes. >>> >>> I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER >>> transition smoothly to .Net. >>> >>> John W. Colby >>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>> >>> >>> Max Wanadoo wrote: >>>> Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT >>>> need classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. >>>> >>>> Ignore the apple... >>>> >>>> Max >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >>>> Foust >>>> Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22 >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >>>> >>>> No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need >>>> for one! LOL >>>> >>>> Charlotte Foust >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM >>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >>>> >>>> John, >>>> >>>> How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your >>>> descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. >>>> >>>> You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a >>>> few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have >>>> to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only >>>> needed that one. >>>> >>>> Dan >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kismert at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 09:50:32 2009 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:50:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones Message-ID: <7c7841600907020750l70c77af9x9b24f1b16168c4d8@mail.gmail.com> Susan, Your gray streak reminds me of a geekette version of Stacy London, on TLC's "What not to wear" show. Hey, how about doing a "What not to code" show? Hopeless nerds and noobs would come on and display their routines and data models. You would laugh at them and give them shiny new techniques for doing it better. You could also give fashion remediation for their pathetic wardrobes. All you'd need is a geek version of Clinton Kelly -- someone urbane, sophisticated, possessing a keen aesthetic perception, fashion sense, and cutting wit... Say, Drew, do you look good in spandex? -Ken >>I used Google to find it. I scrolled about 1/4 of the way down, became >>beguiled by Harkin's glamour shot, and got diverted to her TechRepublic >>blog. > >========Boy... you need to get out more. But, thank you. :) >Susan H. From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Thu Jul 2 10:03:51 2009 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:03:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Remove form list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, you'll have to do this yourself using this link http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ed MacArthur Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:46 AM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Remove form list Please take me off this list asap Thanx -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 10:15:52 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:15:52 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: <226169CC20DE446BB54CECA4D2961A9A@AB> References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local><096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB><0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB><73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> <4a4bebad.1c07d00a.046e.ffffe0c9@mx.google.com> <226169CC20DE446BB54CECA4D2961A9A@AB> Message-ID: <4a4ccf2d.0a1ad00a.7d54.0e0e@mx.google.com> Asger, I have just read all your postings in this regard and it does appear that you want your autonumber to be "meaningful". If that is the case, don?t use autonumber. As many previous postings here will point out, the whole of idea of an autonumber is that is has no meaning other than it is unique within the database and can act as a pointer to the record. IF you want a meaningful sequence in the way you describe with differing start points, one way would be to have a table holding a field called the "Start Sequence" as you mentioned before and then using Dmax to get the next number. When a new sequence is started, add it to the table. If it is already there, just increment it. Dont allow the same Start Sequnce to be duplicated. If you want to ensure that no two people can get the same number at the same time, have a lock-table which holds the tablename and fieldname being accessed and don?t allow others to use it until it is freed again. You can put a TIMER on when it locked and if not unlocked in x seconds, then unlock it and release the TIMER. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: 02 July 2009 00:34 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Hi Max This possible would do for a unique autonumber. But it certainly won't do for a natural, alternate, and customizable key-value (phew), which is what I'm looking for. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Max Wanadoo Sendt: 2. juli 2009 01:05 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Hi Asager, I doubt if you will get more unique within the normal Access program then to use: Now() followed by a now() from (a reset of date - arbitrary number) added to the original Now() and then add on the autonumber What I am saying is, it is so easy to come up with a number that is "almost" guaranteed to be unique.. Pick a Star in the galaxy. Any star..how many miles is that from venus...that will do. I am NOT being facetious. If you devise a system of generating a unique number and you make your "system" unique enough, it will work.. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: 01 July 2009 23:58 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Actually I don't want to mimic the AutoNumber field type. I want a custom autonumber which is 1) reliable sequential, and 2) customable. Your two-table solution provides the first requirement and I will consider it for future use. But sometimes I need to supply an easy way of creating a new offset for the autonumber: e.g. using the current year as a leading number the user should have the ability to change the number let's say 20098001 to 20100001, making this a new starting point for the sequential numbering (normally this custom autonumber field should be locked on the form and only editable providing a password). I still find the DMAX-solution easier to manage for the second requirement. But as said I appreciate your proposal for a reliable sequential numbering. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Drew Wutka Sendt: 1. juli 2009 23:52 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering I've used Autonumbers as actual values (like Ticket numbers in a request system) where the number doesn't have to truly be sequential. But in the case you are talking about, it seems kind of odd to create a routine that mimics the AutoNumber field type, instead of just using that field type (in a separate table to keep it sequential). Hope it works out. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Thanks Drew - your explanation corresponds my reading your first posting. I always use AutoNumber exclusively for surrogate primary keys, never for alternate natural keys like OrderNumber. In my opinion AutoNumber (and the equivalent in SQL Server: Identity) is designed for surrogate keys, not for natural keys. You could use AutoNumber for natural keys, but then you are inviting troubles. In Access pressing Esc on entering a new record will increment the AutoNumber, leaving gaps in the numbering. And depending on which version of Access you use, a Compact Database will reset the autonumber to the next value after your records INcluding deleted trailing records, or it will reset to the next record after your records EXcluding deleted trailing records. Bottom line: You simply can't predict the value of an AutoNumber field. This is what makes AutoNumber an excellent candidate for surrogate primary keys because this kind of keys is supposed to be meaningless. You can ignore the special behaviour of AutoNumber if you use it as a surrogate key like OrderID, but you certainly can't ignore it if you want a natural key value like OrderNumber, which is supposed to be meaningful. Asger -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Thu Jul 2 10:17:48 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:17:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it In-Reply-To: References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> <4a4a733c.0a1ad00a.69bb.404b@mx.google.com><4A4A88CB.3000005@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I HAVE used it, and I seriously hated it! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 6:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it Seriously? Other then charts, and Form/Report libraries... (anyone seriously use the Access chart wizard?) ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it Well NOW I'M MAD. Your chart calls me a nubee? ;) BTW, Access routinely allows me to get into trouble. What is a tad intimidating is how many of the mentioned skills I do not have. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Tony, > > I was going to say just what Max said! > > Also - go to www.databaseadvisors.com and download a copy of a chart I made > last year. It's titled 'Microsoft Access Skill Zones' - see if that > resonates with your experience. > > Keep having fun! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:19 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it > > Tony, IMO it is both. That is, perhaps, a mixed blessing. But it can be a > user's program but it also has the power for developers to produce > solutions which bring bottom-line benefits to organisations, whether > economic or service related. > > Same question to Excel or Word...Same question to Emails... > > Max > Ps. Love your scenario. I thought of doing something like this to display > widgets progessing through a JIT shop floor. > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Thu Jul 2 10:19:26 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:19:26 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> Message-ID: To quote Max, "Purist!" Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 6:38 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones I've known people that have used a hammer as a screwdriver, using a hammer is just bad practice! Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones You can drive nails with a rock too, but a hammer works better and the result is much neater. ;P Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT need classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. Ignore the apple... Max The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Thu Jul 2 10:24:53 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:24:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Max, for once I agree with you ... Somewhat. I've been one of the guys all my life and had no problems with it. When it matters, you can tell the difference. LOL Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:02 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Skill Zones ah well, that is where you are wrong. In the UK everybody is called Guys, regardless of gender. Don't worry too much, it will eventually come to you - civilisation is a bit slow going eastwards. xxx On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Max > > > Susan, I replied to this, but I am still laughing...this is so funny.... > > That may be so, but your laughing may reach an absolute halt. > Calling those nice ladies "guys" ... I would seek shelter - very far away. > > /gustav > > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Thu Jul 2 10:26:32 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:26:32 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4ba1f9.1818d00a.50a6.538a@mx.google.com><4A4BC63A.70901@colbyconsulting.com><4a4bcc39.0508d00a.40d4.ffffb2e6@mx.google.com><4A3AD867507640F597BEC381FC6C0838@Mattys> Message-ID: He was my favorite as well. I suspect it's pretty much the first doctor you encounter that remains your favorite forever. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Perry L Harold Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones Tom Baker - #4 forever Perry Harold From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Thu Jul 2 10:54:04 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:54:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <7c7841600907020750l70c77af9x9b24f1b16168c4d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c7841600907020750l70c77af9x9b24f1b16168c4d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: How did I get sucked into this? As for how I look in Spandex...ummmm, I wouldn't be caught dead in spandex...jeans and a t-shirt please! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:51 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones Susan, Your gray streak reminds me of a geekette version of Stacy London, on TLC's "What not to wear" show. Hey, how about doing a "What not to code" show? Hopeless nerds and noobs would come on and display their routines and data models. You would laugh at them and give them shiny new techniques for doing it better. You could also give fashion remediation for their pathetic wardrobes. All you'd need is a geek version of Clinton Kelly -- someone urbane, sophisticated, possessing a keen aesthetic perception, fashion sense, and cutting wit... Say, Drew, do you look good in spandex? -Ken >>I used Google to find it. I scrolled about 1/4 of the way down, became >>beguiled by Harkin's glamour shot, and got diverted to her TechRepublic >>blog. > >========Boy... you need to get out more. But, thank you. :) >Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Jul 2 10:54:27 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:54:27 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Chart Wizard (was: Access I love it) In-Reply-To: References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> <4a4a733c.0a1ad00a.69bb.404b@mx.google.com><4A4A88CB.3000005@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: The Access Chart Wizard? I have to try that! Where is it? Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:18 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it I HAVE used it, and I seriously hated it! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 6:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it Seriously? Other then charts, and Form/Report libraries... (anyone seriously use the Access chart wizard?) ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it Well NOW I'M MAD. Your chart calls me a nubee? ;) BTW, Access routinely allows me to get into trouble. What is a tad intimidating is how many of the mentioned skills I do not have. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Tony, > > I was going to say just what Max said! > > Also - go to www.databaseadvisors.com and download a copy of a chart I made > last year. It's titled 'Microsoft Access Skill Zones' - see if that > resonates with your experience. > > Keep having fun! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:19 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it > > Tony, IMO it is both. That is, perhaps, a mixed blessing. But it can be a > user's program but it also has the power for developers to produce > solutions which bring bottom-line benefits to organisations, whether > economic or service related. > > Same question to Excel or Word...Same question to Emails... > > Max > Ps. Love your scenario. I thought of doing something like this to display > widgets progessing through a JIT shop floor. > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Thu Jul 2 10:55:10 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:55:10 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it In-Reply-To: References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> <4a4a733c.0a1ad00a.69bb.404b@mx.google.com><4A4A88CB.3000005@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I think that item needs to be removed from that chart...there are enough pro's that have chimed in to the uselessness of Access 'charts'. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:18 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it I HAVE used it, and I seriously hated it! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 6:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it Seriously? Other then charts, and Form/Report libraries... (anyone seriously use the Access chart wizard?) ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it Well NOW I'M MAD. Your chart calls me a nubee? ;) BTW, Access routinely allows me to get into trouble. What is a tad intimidating is how many of the mentioned skills I do not have. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Tony, > > I was going to say just what Max said! > > Also - go to www.databaseadvisors.com and download a copy of a chart I made > last year. It's titled 'Microsoft Access Skill Zones' - see if that > resonates with your experience. > > Keep having fun! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:19 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it > > Tony, IMO it is both. That is, perhaps, a mixed blessing. But it can be a > user's program but it also has the power for developers to produce > solutions which bring bottom-line benefits to organisations, whether > economic or service related. > > Same question to Excel or Word...Same question to Emails... > > Max > Ps. Love your scenario. I thought of doing something like this to display > widgets progessing through a JIT shop floor. > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Thu Jul 2 10:56:13 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:56:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I was playing the role of a purist, for satirical purposes... so thank you! (bow, bow...oh my an academy award...you're too kind! Thank you... thank you...) ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:19 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones To quote Max, "Purist!" Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 6:38 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones I've known people that have used a hammer as a screwdriver, using a hammer is just bad practice! Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones You can drive nails with a rock too, but a hammer works better and the result is much neater. ;P Charlotte The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 11:01:28 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:01:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones References: <7c7841600907020750l70c77af9x9b24f1b16168c4d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60E414B47B684313B33DB01A28462280@SusanOne> Me either Drew -- and not even jeans -- sundress all the way. I don't really care for that lady's attitude though -- I'd want to bake guests a cake or something. :) I wonder if JC would be willing to streak his hair??? Susan H. > How did I get sucked into this? As for how I look in Spandex...ummmm, I > wouldn't be caught dead in spandex...jeans and a t-shirt please! ;) > > Hey, how about doing a "What not to code" show? Hopeless nerds and noobs > would come on and display their routines and data models. You would > laugh at > them and give them shiny new techniques for doing it better. You could > also > give fashion remediation for their pathetic wardrobes. From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Thu Jul 2 11:15:59 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:15:59 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Chart Wizard (was: Access I love it) In-Reply-To: References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> <4a4a733c.0a1ad00a.69bb.404b@mx.google.com><4A4A88CB.3000005@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Go to the ribbon .... Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Chart Wizard (was: Access I love it) The Access Chart Wizard? I have to try that! Where is it? Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:18 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it I HAVE used it, and I seriously hated it! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 6:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it Seriously? Other then charts, and Form/Report libraries... (anyone seriously use the Access chart wizard?) ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:51 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it Well NOW I'M MAD. Your chart calls me a nubee? ;) BTW, Access routinely allows me to get into trouble. What is a tad intimidating is how many of the mentioned skills I do not have. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Tony, > > I was going to say just what Max said! > > Also - go to www.databaseadvisors.com and download a copy of a chart I made > last year. It's titled 'Microsoft Access Skill Zones' - see if that > resonates with your experience. > > Keep having fun! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:19 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it > > Tony, IMO it is both. That is, perhaps, a mixed blessing. But it can be a > user's program but it also has the power for developers to produce > solutions which bring bottom-line benefits to organisations, whether > economic or service related. > > Same question to Excel or Word...Same question to Emails... > > Max > Ps. Love your scenario. I thought of doing something like this to display > widgets progessing through a JIT shop floor. > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 2 11:20:17 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:20:17 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <60E414B47B684313B33DB01A28462280@SusanOne> References: <7c7841600907020750l70c77af9x9b24f1b16168c4d8@mail.gmail.com> <60E414B47B684313B33DB01A28462280@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4A4CDE41.9090806@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. I'll be gray soon enough. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Susan Harkins wrote: > Me either Drew -- and not even jeans -- sundress all the way. I don't really > care for that lady's attitude though -- I'd want to bake guests a cake or > something. :) > > I wonder if JC would be willing to streak his hair??? > > Susan H. > > >> How did I get sucked into this? As for how I look in Spandex...ummmm, I >> wouldn't be caught dead in spandex...jeans and a t-shirt please! ;) > > >> Hey, how about doing a "What not to code" show? Hopeless nerds and noobs >> would come on and display their routines and data models. You would >> laugh at >> them and give them shiny new techniques for doing it better. You could >> also >> give fashion remediation for their pathetic wardrobes. > From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jul 2 11:28:23 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:28:23 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Message-ID: Hi Asger As this is Access, why not use DAO which is ultra-fast? I brushed up a function we used many years ago for a similar purpose. It simply adds 1 to obtain the next number. Of course, it can be modified to use any other calculation for the next sequential number and formatting for string expressions can be applied as well if the sequential number is alpha-numeric. In general, the use of DMax or the like is fine in a single-user environment but it has the drawback that once the table is read and the number is found, the table is released while you calculate the next number. When you wish to save this, anything can have happened to the table and you may end up with duplicate numbers or cumbersome error handling routines. Public Function GetSequentialNo() As Long ' Creates and returns a new sequential number in table tblSequential. ' Works in a multi-user environment as well. ' ' Table schema: ' Id: AutoNumber, primary key. ' SequentialNo: Long, unique key. ' ' 2009-07-02. Cactus Data ApS, CPH. ' Initial value for the sequential number. ' Only used once - when the table is empty. Const clngNoInitial As Long = 1000 Dim dbs As DAO.Database Dim rst As DAO.Recordset Dim strSQL As String Dim booEmpty As Boolean Dim lngIdLast As Long Dim lngIdNext As Long Dim lngNo As Long strSQL = "Select Top 1 * From tblSequential Order By Id Desc" Set dbs = CurrentDb Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQL) With rst booEmpty = Not CBool(.RecordCount) If Not booEmpty Then ' Read last used Id and sequential number. lngIdLast = .Fields("Id").Value lngNo = .Fields("SequentialNo").Value End If ' To demonstrate multi-user behaviour with asynchronous ("overlapping") ' creation of records, open two or more instances of the database and ' uncomment this line: ' Stop .AddNew If Not booEmpty Then ' Calculate next sequential number. lngIdNext = .Fields("Id").Value lngNo = lngNo + lngIdNext - lngIdLast Else ' Use initial sequential number. lngNo = clngNoInitial End If ' Store the new sequential number. .Fields("SequentialNo").Value = lngNo .Update .Close End With Set rst = Nothing Set dbs = Nothing GetSequentialNo = lngNo End Function For a high-speed system you would consider making the dbs and rst objects static. /gustav >>> ab-mi at post3.tele.dk 02-07-2009 02:13 >>> David, I always use an AutoNumber as my PKID, and not my generated number. My original posting was: /* Using Autonumber for surrogate primary keys, I often need to manage custom autonumbering for alternate unique keys, e.g. for order numbers. I know this subject has been discussed several times before, but I couldn't find exactly what I was looking for in the archive. How do you manage custom autonumbering? I do it this way, which may not be the most efficient, so I'm calling for other suggestions: 1. On the form I set the property DefaultValue at design-time for the control holding the custom autonumbering field to: =DMAX(,
) + 1 This will do in single-user environments, but will invite duplicate values in multi-user environments. So I use this run-time code in addition to the design-time DefaultValue: 2. Assuming the custom autonumbering field is called OrderNumber in a table called tblOrders: Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer) Dim intOrderNumber_Default As Integer Dim intOrderNumber_RunTime As Integer If NewRecord Then intOrderNumber_Default = OrderNumber.Value intOrderNumber_Runtine = DMAX("OrderNumber","tblOrders") + 1 If intOrderNumber_Runtime <> intOrderNumber_Default Then OrderNumber.Value = intOrderNumber_Runtime MsgBox "Another user has created a new order with the number " & _ intOrderNumber_Default & vbNewline & _ "Your order has got the number " & intOrderNumber_Runtime End If End If End Sub Do you think this solution has any pitfalls, or do you just have another more efficient/intelligent custom autonumbering? /* Your suggestion using a second table equals Drew's proposal, but it doesn't satisfy my requirement of a customisable alternate key, on which I was not enough explicit in my first posting. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af David McAfee Sendt: 2. juli 2009 01:28 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Asger, just make sure to use an autonumber as your PKID, not your generated number. If at some later point in life, the criteria changes for the number, so be it. You PKs & FKs will love you for it. You can create a table for the sequence number by inserting a value into a record with only an Autonumber PK and some other field. I had a request where the facility request numbers were the date and a sequence of 3 digits ( 20090701001-20090701999) I created a sequence table and have a job that truncated that table each night at midnight. You need to know what happens if a number is in process of being created and a second user creates a new number but the first user/process cancels. Will you leave a hole? Will you save the record and flag it as cancelled? What if user 2 fnishes before user 1, does it matter if they are out of sequence, yet the numbers are sequential? David From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jul 2 12:52:19 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:52:19 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] EDI, IBX, XML format xCbl 3.5 Message-ID: Hi all Has anyone been in touch with a combo if some of the keywords of the subject? We have a client who will be serving a new big customer and he requires purchase and invoicing to pass IBX. It may be a closed system and the client hasn't asked us to do anything yet, just wish to be prepared if possible. /gustav From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 12:59:12 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:59:12 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] EDI, IBX, XML format xCbl 3.5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a4cf574.0a04d00a.5bb8.ffff8d63@mx.google.com> Hi Gustav, You need to rephrase your question. Grammar is a bit wobbly today (not a criticism, I only say that, not because you will mind, but because others will say,,well can you speak Danish as well as he can speak English...Actually the answer is yes....sorry, slip of the fingers, ,,,,no..). Thanks Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 02 July 2009 18:52 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] EDI, IBX, XML format xCbl 3.5 Hi all Has anyone been in touch with a combo if some of the keywords of the subject? We have a client who will be serving a new big customer and he requires purchase and invoicing to pass IBX. It may be a closed system and the client hasn't asked us to do anything yet, just wish to be prepared if possible. /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kismert at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 13:01:26 2009 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:01:26 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones Message-ID: <7c7841600907021101s5990b072ub2ffb41b4b842244@mail.gmail.com> >Susan Harkins wrote: >... I don't really care for that lady's attitude though ... They are being terribly nice for New Yorkers -- for them, the 'middle finger salute' is just a way of saying 'Hi' >... I'd want to bake guests a cake or something. :) Ohh, even more delicious: "Why the long subroutines? Break them up into mind-sized functions." "Have a cupcake." "You're using natural keys in that relationship? Try on this autonumber PK." "Try this casserole." I'm liking this concept better and better! -Ken From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 13:05:01 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:05:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones References: <7c7841600907021101s5990b072ub2ffb41b4b842244@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, that sounds more like it. I really should be running a bed and breakfast in some little valley somewhere. :) Susan H. > Ohh, even more delicious: > "Why the long subroutines? Break them up into mind-sized functions." > "Have a cupcake." > "You're using natural keys in that relationship? Try on this autonumber > PK." > "Try this casserole." > > I'm liking this concept better and better! From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Thu Jul 2 13:18:04 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:18:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: <7c7841600907021101s5990b072ub2ffb41b4b842244@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think a gingerbread cottage with a very large oven is more my style! LOL Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:05 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones Yes, that sounds more like it. I really should be running a bed and breakfast in some little valley somewhere. :) Susan H. > Ohh, even more delicious: > "Why the long subroutines? Break them up into mind-sized functions." > "Have a cupcake." > "You're using natural keys in that relationship? Try on this > autonumber PK." > "Try this casserole." > > I'm liking this concept better and better! From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 13:43:02 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:43:02 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: References: <7c7841600907021101s5990b072ub2ffb41b4b842244@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a4cffba.0a1ad00a.5dde.0b2a@mx.google.com> Well, I aint going in there...even with my breadcrumb s Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 02 July 2009 19:18 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones I think a gingerbread cottage with a very large oven is more my style! LOL Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:05 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones Yes, that sounds more like it. I really should be running a bed and breakfast in some little valley somewhere. :) Susan H. > Ohh, even more delicious: > "Why the long subroutines? Break them up into mind-sized functions." > "Have a cupcake." > "You're using natural keys in that relationship? Try on this > autonumber PK." > "Try this casserole." > > I'm liking this concept better and better! -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 2 13:52:15 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:52:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4a4cffba.0a1ad00a.5dde.0b2a@mx.google.com> References: <7c7841600907021101s5990b072ub2ffb41b4b842244@mail.gmail.com> <4a4cffba.0a1ad00a.5dde.0b2a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A4D01DF.2030305@colbyconsulting.com> Doesn't she get popped in the oven in the end? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Well, I aint going in there...even with my breadcrumb s > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: 02 July 2009 19:18 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones > > I think a gingerbread cottage with a very large oven is more my style! > LOL > > Charlotte > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:05 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones > > Yes, that sounds more like it. I really should be running a bed and > breakfast in some little valley somewhere. :) > > Susan H. > > >> Ohh, even more delicious: >> "Why the long subroutines? Break them up into mind-sized functions." >> "Have a cupcake." >> "You're using natural keys in that relationship? Try on this >> autonumber PK." >> "Try this casserole." >> >> I'm liking this concept better and better! > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 13:55:46 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:55:46 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4A4D01DF.2030305@colbyconsulting.com> References: <7c7841600907021101s5990b072ub2ffb41b4b842244@mail.gmail.com> <4a4cffba.0a1ad00a.5dde.0b2a@mx.google.com> <4A4D01DF.2030305@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a4d02b6.0506d00a.0705.059b@mx.google.com> You mean she becomes pregnant? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 02 July 2009 19:52 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones Doesn't she get popped in the oven in the end? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Well, I aint going in there...even with my breadcrumb s > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: 02 July 2009 19:18 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones > > I think a gingerbread cottage with a very large oven is more my style! > LOL > > Charlotte > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:05 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones > > Yes, that sounds more like it. I really should be running a bed and > breakfast in some little valley somewhere. :) > > Susan H. > > >> Ohh, even more delicious: >> "Why the long subroutines? Break them up into mind-sized functions." >> "Have a cupcake." >> "You're using natural keys in that relationship? Try on this >> autonumber PK." >> "Try this casserole." >> >> I'm liking this concept better and better! > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Jul 2 14:16:24 2009 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:16:24 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local><096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB><0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB><73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> Message-ID: Thanks Drew. Didn't know it was that simple. In T-SQL you would have to use SET IDENTITY INSERT ON before explicitly setting a value for an Identity field. Quite new to me that you can just use an INSERT statement on an AutoNumber field in Access. Now your two-table approach is certainly an alternative to consider for me. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Drew Wutka Sendt: 2. juli 2009 05:01 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering #2 is pretty easy to... INSERT INTO tblOrderNumber ([OrderNumber],[OrderID]) VALUES (20098000,0) Then DELETE * FROM tblOrderNumber WHERE tblOrderNumber=20098000 And whalla, your next OrderNumber will be 20098001 Drew From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Jul 2 14:16:24 2009 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:16:24 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: <4a4ccf2d.0a1ad00a.7d54.0e0e@mx.google.com> References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local><096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB><0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB><73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> <4a4bebad.1c07d00a.046e.ffffe0c9@mx.google.com><226169CC20DE446BB54CECA4D2961A9A@AB> <4a4ccf2d.0a1ad00a.7d54.0e0e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2C4C17A2E41F443E9753C6AF08FB37AA@AB> Max, I have always had the same opinion about AutoNumber as you (only to use it for surrogate keys). Drew has pointed out a solution though using two tables which make an AutoNumber applicable for alternate ("natural" or "meaningful") keys. One thing I don't understand is why you too use two tables since your solution is applying the DMAX function. Why not just use a plain Long Integer and then on the form set DefaultValue to Dmax + 1, and supply an event procedure to manage potential conflicts in a multiuser environment? This was the approach I was suggesting in my first posting, and it seems a lot simpler to me. Do you see any pitfalls in this way of doing it? Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Max Wanadoo Sendt: 2. juli 2009 17:16 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Asger, I have just read all your postings in this regard and it does appear that you want your autonumber to be "meaningful". If that is the case, don?t use autonumber. As many previous postings here will point out, the whole of idea of an autonumber is that is has no meaning other than it is unique within the database and can act as a pointer to the record. IF you want a meaningful sequence in the way you describe with differing start points, one way would be to have a table holding a field called the "Start Sequence" as you mentioned before and then using Dmax to get the next number. When a new sequence is started, add it to the table. If it is already there, just increment it. Dont allow the same Start Sequnce to be duplicated. If you want to ensure that no two people can get the same number at the same time, have a lock-table which holds the tablename and fieldname being accessed and don?t allow others to use it until it is freed again. You can put a TIMER on when it locked and if not unlocked in x seconds, then unlock it and release the TIMER. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: 02 July 2009 00:34 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Hi Max This possible would do for a unique autonumber. But it certainly won't do for a natural, alternate, and customizable key-value (phew), which is what I'm looking for. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Max Wanadoo Sendt: 2. juli 2009 01:05 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Hi Asager, I doubt if you will get more unique within the normal Access program then to use: Now() followed by a now() from (a reset of date - arbitrary number) added to the original Now() and then add on the autonumber What I am saying is, it is so easy to come up with a number that is "almost" guaranteed to be unique.. Pick a Star in the galaxy. Any star..how many miles is that from venus...that will do. I am NOT being facetious. If you devise a system of generating a unique number and you make your "system" unique enough, it will work.. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: 01 July 2009 23:58 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Actually I don't want to mimic the AutoNumber field type. I want a custom autonumber which is 1) reliable sequential, and 2) customable. Your two-table solution provides the first requirement and I will consider it for future use. But sometimes I need to supply an easy way of creating a new offset for the autonumber: e.g. using the current year as a leading number the user should have the ability to change the number let's say 20098001 to 20100001, making this a new starting point for the sequential numbering (normally this custom autonumber field should be locked on the form and only editable providing a password). I still find the DMAX-solution easier to manage for the second requirement. But as said I appreciate your proposal for a reliable sequential numbering. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Drew Wutka Sendt: 1. juli 2009 23:52 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering I've used Autonumbers as actual values (like Ticket numbers in a request system) where the number doesn't have to truly be sequential. But in the case you are talking about, it seems kind of odd to create a routine that mimics the AutoNumber field type, instead of just using that field type (in a separate table to keep it sequential). Hope it works out. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Thanks Drew - your explanation corresponds my reading your first posting. I always use AutoNumber exclusively for surrogate primary keys, never for alternate natural keys like OrderNumber. In my opinion AutoNumber (and the equivalent in SQL Server: Identity) is designed for surrogate keys, not for natural keys. You could use AutoNumber for natural keys, but then you are inviting troubles. In Access pressing Esc on entering a new record will increment the AutoNumber, leaving gaps in the numbering. And depending on which version of Access you use, a Compact Database will reset the autonumber to the next value after your records INcluding deleted trailing records, or it will reset to the next record after your records EXcluding deleted trailing records. Bottom line: You simply can't predict the value of an AutoNumber field. This is what makes AutoNumber an excellent candidate for surrogate primary keys because this kind of keys is supposed to be meaningless. You can ignore the special behaviour of AutoNumber if you use it as a surrogate key like OrderID, but you certainly can't ignore it if you want a natural key value like OrderNumber, which is supposed to be meaningful. Asger From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 2 14:13:15 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:13:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4a4d02b6.0506d00a.0705.059b@mx.google.com> References: <7c7841600907021101s5990b072ub2ffb41b4b842244@mail.gmail.com> <4a4cffba.0a1ad00a.5dde.0b2a@mx.google.com> <4A4D01DF.2030305@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4d02b6.0506d00a.0705.059b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A4D06CB.9010801@colbyconsulting.com> ROTFL. No. I was assuming that you were discussing Hansel and Gretel and I thought that the witch in the gingerbread house ended up in her oven. Those old stories were a little violent sometimes. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > You mean she becomes pregnant? > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 02 July 2009 19:52 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones > > Doesn't she get popped in the oven in the end? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: >> Well, I aint going in there...even with my breadcrumb s >> >> Max >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust >> Sent: 02 July 2009 19:18 >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones >> >> I think a gingerbread cottage with a very large oven is more my style! >> LOL >> >> Charlotte >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins >> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:05 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones >> >> Yes, that sounds more like it. I really should be running a bed and >> breakfast in some little valley somewhere. :) >> >> Susan H. >> >> >>> Ohh, even more delicious: >>> "Why the long subroutines? Break them up into mind-sized functions." >>> "Have a cupcake." >>> "You're using natural keys in that relationship? Try on this >>> autonumber PK." >>> "Try this casserole." >>> >>> I'm liking this concept better and better! >> From adtp at airtelmail.in Thu Jul 2 14:24:15 2009 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 00:54:15 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local><096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB><0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB><73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> Message-ID: <00b601c9fb4a$dca21050$b95ea27a@personald6374f> Asger, It is observed that if the form object is also passed as an argument to the embedded function assigned to default property of the bound control carrying the custom numbers, and Recalc action is performed at appropriate stage in the function code, generation & display of default custom number becomes very prompt, just like the text (AutoNumber) displayed for pure autonumber on a new record. As soon as the new record is dirtied, next custom number in series, as per given prefix, gets displayed in the fresh new record. The approach outlined above is demonstrated in my sample db named Form_CustomSeriesByDefaultProperty, available at Rogers Access Library. Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45 As the data entry progresses, the default value keeps incrementing as required, without having to undertake any special manipulation via form's current event. Moreover, it is not necessary to use other form events like Dirty / Before or After Insert / Before or After Update etc. The prefix is selected via combo box on the main form. Whenever, a new prefix is selected, the newly displayed default value on the subform gets set 1 higher than the existing highest in alpha-numeric sequence pertaining to the selected prefix. If there is no existing entry with the given prefix, the default value gets set to prefix followed by 000001. Type of prefix can be selected via option group as follows: (a) Prefix by combo box selection. (b) Prefix as per current year (yyyy) (c) Prefix as per current year month (yyyymm) The sample is in Access 2000 file format and no extra reference is needed. It has been tested for single user. You might like to verify whether it stands the test for multi-user environment. Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Asger Blond To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 04:27 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Actually I don't want to mimic the AutoNumber field type. I want a custom autonumber which is 1) reliable sequential, and 2) customable. Your two-table solution provides the first requirement and I will consider it for future use. But sometimes I need to supply an easy way of creating a new offset for the autonumber: e.g. using the current year as a leading number the user should have the ability to change the number let's say 20098001 to 20100001, making this a new starting point for the sequential numbering (normally this custom autonumber field should be locked on the form and only editable providing a password). I still find the DMAX-solution easier to manage for the second requirement. But as said I appreciate your proposal for a reliable sequential numbering. Asger From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 14:27:32 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:27:32 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: <2C4C17A2E41F443E9753C6AF08FB37AA@AB> References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local><096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB><0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB><73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> <4a4bebad.1c07d00a.046e.ffffe0c9@mx.google.com><226169CC20DE446BB54CECA4D2961A9A@AB> <4a4ccf2d.0a1ad00a.7d54.0e0e@mx.google.com> <2C4C17A2E41F443E9753C6AF08FB37AA@AB> Message-ID: <4a4d0a2a.1818d00a.6fd4.09ad@mx.google.com> I wouldn?t bother using dmax actually, I would open the table, lock it, increment it, unlock it and move on. I was just bouncing alternatives around in my previous posting. The only right way is the one that give you the answer you need every single time. I would put the lock flag in the same table as the sequencedescriptor and its incrementing value. Ie, tblSequences Field: SeqDesc SeqStartDesc SeqStartVal SeqVal IsLocked Something along those lines. Code needs to ensure it gets a lock or times out and tries again later. You also need a mechanism to unlock the table/record in the event of crashes. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: 02 July 2009 20:16 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Max, I have always had the same opinion about AutoNumber as you (only to use it for surrogate keys). Drew has pointed out a solution though using two tables which make an AutoNumber applicable for alternate ("natural" or "meaningful") keys. One thing I don't understand is why you too use two tables since your solution is applying the DMAX function. Why not just use a plain Long Integer and then on the form set DefaultValue to Dmax + 1, and supply an event procedure to manage potential conflicts in a multiuser environment? This was the approach I was suggesting in my first posting, and it seems a lot simpler to me. Do you see any pitfalls in this way of doing it? Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Max Wanadoo Sendt: 2. juli 2009 17:16 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Asger, I have just read all your postings in this regard and it does appear that you want your autonumber to be "meaningful". If that is the case, don?t use autonumber. As many previous postings here will point out, the whole of idea of an autonumber is that is has no meaning other than it is unique within the database and can act as a pointer to the record. IF you want a meaningful sequence in the way you describe with differing start points, one way would be to have a table holding a field called the "Start Sequence" as you mentioned before and then using Dmax to get the next number. When a new sequence is started, add it to the table. If it is already there, just increment it. Dont allow the same Start Sequnce to be duplicated. If you want to ensure that no two people can get the same number at the same time, have a lock-table which holds the tablename and fieldname being accessed and don?t allow others to use it until it is freed again. You can put a TIMER on when it locked and if not unlocked in x seconds, then unlock it and release the TIMER. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: 02 July 2009 00:34 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Hi Max This possible would do for a unique autonumber. But it certainly won't do for a natural, alternate, and customizable key-value (phew), which is what I'm looking for. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Max Wanadoo Sendt: 2. juli 2009 01:05 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Hi Asager, I doubt if you will get more unique within the normal Access program then to use: Now() followed by a now() from (a reset of date - arbitrary number) added to the original Now() and then add on the autonumber What I am saying is, it is so easy to come up with a number that is "almost" guaranteed to be unique.. Pick a Star in the galaxy. Any star..how many miles is that from venus...that will do. I am NOT being facetious. If you devise a system of generating a unique number and you make your "system" unique enough, it will work.. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: 01 July 2009 23:58 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Actually I don't want to mimic the AutoNumber field type. I want a custom autonumber which is 1) reliable sequential, and 2) customable. Your two-table solution provides the first requirement and I will consider it for future use. But sometimes I need to supply an easy way of creating a new offset for the autonumber: e.g. using the current year as a leading number the user should have the ability to change the number let's say 20098001 to 20100001, making this a new starting point for the sequential numbering (normally this custom autonumber field should be locked on the form and only editable providing a password). I still find the DMAX-solution easier to manage for the second requirement. But as said I appreciate your proposal for a reliable sequential numbering. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Drew Wutka Sendt: 1. juli 2009 23:52 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering I've used Autonumbers as actual values (like Ticket numbers in a request system) where the number doesn't have to truly be sequential. But in the case you are talking about, it seems kind of odd to create a routine that mimics the AutoNumber field type, instead of just using that field type (in a separate table to keep it sequential). Hope it works out. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:02 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Thanks Drew - your explanation corresponds my reading your first posting. I always use AutoNumber exclusively for surrogate primary keys, never for alternate natural keys like OrderNumber. In my opinion AutoNumber (and the equivalent in SQL Server: Identity) is designed for surrogate keys, not for natural keys. You could use AutoNumber for natural keys, but then you are inviting troubles. In Access pressing Esc on entering a new record will increment the AutoNumber, leaving gaps in the numbering. And depending on which version of Access you use, a Compact Database will reset the autonumber to the next value after your records INcluding deleted trailing records, or it will reset to the next record after your records EXcluding deleted trailing records. Bottom line: You simply can't predict the value of an AutoNumber field. This is what makes AutoNumber an excellent candidate for surrogate primary keys because this kind of keys is supposed to be meaningless. You can ignore the special behaviour of AutoNumber if you use it as a surrogate key like OrderID, but you certainly can't ignore it if you want a natural key value like OrderNumber, which is supposed to be meaningful. Asger -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Thu Jul 2 14:28:02 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:28:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: <2C4C17A2E41F443E9753C6AF08FB37AA@AB> References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local><096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB><0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB><73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> <4a4bebad.1c07d00a.046e.ffffe0c9@mx.google.com><226169CC20DE446BB54CECA4D2961A9A@AB><4a4ccf2d.0a1ad00a.7d54.0e0e@mx.google.com> <2C4C17A2E41F443E9753C6AF08FB37AA@AB> Message-ID: Asger, there is only one real issue with your solution, and that is the off chance of a clash with multiple users (since your code is looking for the max value and adding 1, that is slower then Jet handling an autonumber automatically). You solution is simpler to implement on an existing system. On a system being built from the ground up, both would be about the same to implement. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:16 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Max, I have always had the same opinion about AutoNumber as you (only to use it for surrogate keys). Drew has pointed out a solution though using two tables which make an AutoNumber applicable for alternate ("natural" or "meaningful") keys. One thing I don't understand is why you too use two tables since your solution is applying the DMAX function. Why not just use a plain Long Integer and then on the form set DefaultValue to Dmax + 1, and supply an event procedure to manage potential conflicts in a multiuser environment? This was the approach I was suggesting in my first posting, and it seems a lot simpler to me. Do you see any pitfalls in this way of doing it? Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Max Wanadoo Sendt: 2. juli 2009 17:16 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Asger, I have just read all your postings in this regard and it does appear that you want your autonumber to be "meaningful". If that is the case, don't use autonumber. As many previous postings here will point out, the whole of idea of an autonumber is that is has no meaning other than it is unique within the database and can act as a pointer to the record. IF you want a meaningful sequence in the way you describe with differing start points, one way would be to have a table holding a field called the "Start Sequence" as you mentioned before and then using Dmax to get the next number. When a new sequence is started, add it to the table. If it is already there, just increment it. Dont allow the same Start Sequnce to be duplicated. If you want to ensure that no two people can get the same number at the same time, have a lock-table which holds the tablename and fieldname being accessed and don't allow others to use it until it is freed again. You can put a TIMER on when it locked and if not unlocked in x seconds, then unlock it and release the TIMER. Max The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Thu Jul 2 14:31:52 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:31:52 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local><096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB><0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB><73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> Message-ID: No problem. That 'autonumber trick' is handy. It falls into the territory of using a 'key' as meaningful value, though it really is not. It's just using Jet to give you a sequential number (and the append trick allows you to 'set' the number to start wherever you want). You original solution only has the 'duplicate' issue in a multi-user scenario, which is the one thing that Jet will handle for you in an autonumber field. So either way works, I don't think you'll do any less work to get either to work. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:16 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Thanks Drew. Didn't know it was that simple. In T-SQL you would have to use SET IDENTITY INSERT ON before explicitly setting a value for an Identity field. Quite new to me that you can just use an INSERT statement on an AutoNumber field in Access. Now your two-table approach is certainly an alternative to consider for me. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Drew Wutka Sendt: 2. juli 2009 05:01 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering #2 is pretty easy to... INSERT INTO tblOrderNumber ([OrderNumber],[OrderID]) VALUES (20098000,0) Then DELETE * FROM tblOrderNumber WHERE tblOrderNumber=20098000 And whalla, your next OrderNumber will be 20098001 Drew -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Jul 2 15:54:49 2009 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:54:49 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering In-Reply-To: <00b601c9fb4a$dca21050$b95ea27a@personald6374f> References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038621@server.BondSoftware.local><096FE5F2B730447AA376D6910C3E8083@AB><0AE9BE0871734B78BFEB574C0586E565@AB><73813025C7734131844A9E73C30260E6@AB> <00b601c9fb4a$dca21050$b95ea27a@personald6374f> Message-ID: A.D.: interesting, I will have a look - thanks. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af A.D.Tejpal Sendt: 2. juli 2009 21:24 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Asger, It is observed that if the form object is also passed as an argument to the embedded function assigned to default property of the bound control carrying the custom numbers, and Recalc action is performed at appropriate stage in the function code, generation & display of default custom number becomes very prompt, just like the text (AutoNumber) displayed for pure autonumber on a new record. As soon as the new record is dirtied, next custom number in series, as per given prefix, gets displayed in the fresh new record. The approach outlined above is demonstrated in my sample db named Form_CustomSeriesByDefaultProperty, available at Rogers Access Library. Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45 As the data entry progresses, the default value keeps incrementing as required, without having to undertake any special manipulation via form's current event. Moreover, it is not necessary to use other form events like Dirty / Before or After Insert / Before or After Update etc. The prefix is selected via combo box on the main form. Whenever, a new prefix is selected, the newly displayed default value on the subform gets set 1 higher than the existing highest in alpha-numeric sequence pertaining to the selected prefix. If there is no existing entry with the given prefix, the default value gets set to prefix followed by 000001. Type of prefix can be selected via option group as follows: (a) Prefix by combo box selection. (b) Prefix as per current year (yyyy) (c) Prefix as per current year month (yyyymm) The sample is in Access 2000 file format and no extra reference is needed. It has been tested for single user. You might like to verify whether it stands the test for multi-user environment. Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Asger Blond To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 04:27 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom autonumbering Actually I don't want to mimic the AutoNumber field type. I want a custom autonumber which is 1) reliable sequential, and 2) customable. Your two-table solution provides the first requirement and I will consider it for future use. But sometimes I need to supply an easy way of creating a new offset for the autonumber: e.g. using the current year as a leading number the user should have the ability to change the number let's say 20098001 to 20100001, making this a new starting point for the sequential numbering (normally this custom autonumber field should be locked on the form and only editable providing a password). I still find the DMAX-solution easier to manage for the second requirement. But as said I appreciate your proposal for a reliable sequential numbering. Asger -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jul 2 13:08:18 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:08:18 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: The near future Message-ID: Hi all Time for a Friday relax - from our local university - about a blone and two (bright) nerds: http://www.flixxy.com/science-education-denmark.htm /gustav From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Jul 2 17:22:03 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:22:03 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: The near future In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I sure hope there aren't any laws against this! :) :) :) ... continue Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:08 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: The near future Hi all Time for a Friday relax - from our local university - about a blone and two (bright) nerds: http://www.flixxy.com/science-education-denmark.htm /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 2 17:46:44 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:46:44 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working Message-ID: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005> Dear List: I have a report which prints fine until I set one of the detail fields to Hide Duplicates - Yes. Then I get #Name? in the field. Has anyone seen this behavior before? MTIA Rocky From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 17:58:03 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:58:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne> Rocky, does Hide Duplicates work Okay on other fields in the same report? Susan H. > Dear List: > > I have a report which prints fine until I set one of the detail fields to > Hide Duplicates - Yes. Then I get #Name? in the field. Has anyone seen > this behavior before? From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Thu Jul 2 18:01:22 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 09:01:22 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] How to copy from Access Grid form, without getting the column headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D062@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Excel would still paste the values including the header in this case. "Values Only" means don't paste any formulae or formatting, just the values that the formulae return sans formatting... cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2009 11:11 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to copy from Access Grid form, without getting the column headers I don't know if it'll work or not, but have you tried using Excel's Paste Special -- I know there's a Values option, but in this case, Excel would probably consider the header information values, but can't hurt to try. Susan H. > Solution B > Someone knows a secret trick, something like CTRL + 'SOMEKEY' + C, and > this > trick only places the values and ignores the headers. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 18:08:05 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:08:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] How to copy from Access Grid form, without getting the column headers References: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D062@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <4DCBC5CD34FA4EA19BC0C5683D563CD7@SusanOne> That's what I figured -- worth a try. Susan H. > Excel would still paste the values including the header in this case. > "Values Only" means don't paste any formulae or formatting, just the > values that the formulae return sans formatting... > > cheers > Darryl From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 2 18:09:05 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:09:05 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: <4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne> References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005> <4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne> Message-ID: No. Any field. Header. Group header. Detail. They all show #Name? When set to hide duplicates. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 3:58 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working Rocky, does Hide Duplicates work Okay on other fields in the same report? Susan H. > Dear List: > > I have a report which prints fine until I set one of the detail fields > to Hide Duplicates - Yes. Then I get #Name? in the field. Has anyone > seen this behavior before? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 18:19:01 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:19:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne> Message-ID: <5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne> Have you repaired the database? Something's wrong. Now, as a long shot, you might check the underlying query and make sure there first record doesn't have a bunch of empty fields, but I don't think even that would do it. The report shouldn't care if the first value in the report for that field is blank, but maybe it's a bug. Just a guess. Have you tried Hide Duplicates in other reports in the same database? Susan H. > No. Any field. Header. Group header. Detail. They all show #Name? > When > set to hide duplicates. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 3:58 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > > Rocky, does Hide Duplicates work Okay on other fields in the same report? > > Susan H. > > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a report which prints fine until I set one of the detail fields >> to Hide Duplicates - Yes. Then I get #Name? in the field. Has anyone >> seen this behavior before? > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Thu Jul 2 18:21:54 2009 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:21:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access I love it In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D055@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B696E.60106@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B744E.6030808@nanaimo.ark.com> <4a4b8226.1701d00a.11b9.1578@mx.google.com> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D055@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <00e501c9fb6b$e3033340$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> Interestingly along these lines of Excel and databases: One of the most popular posts on the sqlteam website is related to Excel: Here's one of them.... http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=49926 And look at the hits on this article about Access's transform statement: http://www.sqlteam.com/article/dynamic-cross-tabs-pivot-tables > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Darryl Collins > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:14 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access I love it > > "Excel is good for what it is designed for. It was not > designed to replace a database" > > Max - this is totally on the money. I started out as an Excel > Developer, but these days I am always pushing stuff into > databases as they are nearly always database apps that are > sitting in a tangled series of spreadsheets - generally very wrong. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 2 18:29:28 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:29:28 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: <5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne> References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne> <5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne> Message-ID: Seems to be limited to this mdb. I'll try decompile. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:19 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working Have you repaired the database? Something's wrong. Now, as a long shot, you might check the underlying query and make sure there first record doesn't have a bunch of empty fields, but I don't think even that would do it. The report shouldn't care if the first value in the report for that field is blank, but maybe it's a bug. Just a guess. Have you tried Hide Duplicates in other reports in the same database? Susan H. > No. Any field. Header. Group header. Detail. They all show #Name? > When > set to hide duplicates. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 3:58 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > > Rocky, does Hide Duplicates work Okay on other fields in the same report? > > Susan H. > > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a report which prints fine until I set one of the detail >> fields to Hide Duplicates - Yes. Then I get #Name? in the field. >> Has anyone seen this behavior before? > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Thu Jul 2 18:31:46 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 09:31:46 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] How to copy from Access Grid form, without getting the column headers In-Reply-To: <4DCBC5CD34FA4EA19BC0C5683D563CD7@SusanOne> References: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D062@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4DCBC5CD34FA4EA19BC0C5683D563CD7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D064@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> heh... Aaaah Susan, You wouldn't believe some of the stuff I tried when I started using Access more seriously. ;) If it looks remotely promising and you are stuck, give it a try and see what happens I say! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, 3 July 2009 9:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to copy from Access Grid form, without getting the column headers That's what I figured -- worth a try. Susan H. > Excel would still paste the values including the header in this case. > "Values Only" means don't paste any formulae or formatting, just the > values that the formulae return sans formatting... > > cheers > Darryl -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 2 18:42:00 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:42:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne><5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne> Message-ID: No soap. :( I'll try importing everything. BTW - I installed O2K3 on another box and got the same thing. That box was SP!. My product box is SP3. Wait...let me try it on my laptop...nope - same problem there. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:29 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working Seems to be limited to this mdb. I'll try decompile. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:19 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working Have you repaired the database? Something's wrong. Now, as a long shot, you might check the underlying query and make sure there first record doesn't have a bunch of empty fields, but I don't think even that would do it. The report shouldn't care if the first value in the report for that field is blank, but maybe it's a bug. Just a guess. Have you tried Hide Duplicates in other reports in the same database? Susan H. > No. Any field. Header. Group header. Detail. They all show #Name? > When > set to hide duplicates. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 3:58 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > > Rocky, does Hide Duplicates work Okay on other fields in the same report? > > Susan H. > > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a report which prints fine until I set one of the detail >> fields to Hide Duplicates - Yes. Then I get #Name? in the field. >> Has anyone seen this behavior before? > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 2 18:45:45 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:45:45 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne><5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne> Message-ID: <9F70BD1865B84ECCB7DDBF8ACFD3B26E@HAL9005> No soap on the import. Now I'm getting worried. What could it be? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:42 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working No soap. :( I'll try importing everything. BTW - I installed O2K3 on another box and got the same thing. That box was SP!. My product box is SP3. Wait...let me try it on my laptop...nope - same problem there. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:29 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working Seems to be limited to this mdb. I'll try decompile. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:19 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working Have you repaired the database? Something's wrong. Now, as a long shot, you might check the underlying query and make sure there first record doesn't have a bunch of empty fields, but I don't think even that would do it. The report shouldn't care if the first value in the report for that field is blank, but maybe it's a bug. Just a guess. Have you tried Hide Duplicates in other reports in the same database? Susan H. > No. Any field. Header. Group header. Detail. They all show #Name? > When > set to hide duplicates. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 3:58 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > > Rocky, does Hide Duplicates work Okay on other fields in the same report? > > Susan H. > > >> Dear List: >> >> I have a report which prints fine until I set one of the detail >> fields to Hide Duplicates - Yes. Then I get #Name? in the field. >> Has anyone seen this behavior before? > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 18:53:29 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:53:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne><5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne> <9F70BD1865B84ECCB7DDBF8ACFD3B26E@HAL9005> Message-ID: <061EE2066CA64C2EBE06DF319FEDCEAA@SusanOne> Do the field and control have the same name? You know that confuses Access and while it shouldn't matter in this case, you just never know. Susan H. > No soap on the import. Now I'm getting worried. What could it be? From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 19:05:06 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:05:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne><5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne> <9F70BD1865B84ECCB7DDBF8ACFD3B26E@HAL9005> Message-ID: <89E3805D0DA04326B98E46919A6099DE@SusanOne> Rocky, try setting the property in the report's Open or Load event, instead of setting the property manually. I've never done that, so I'm not totally sure you can do that, but I don't know why you couldn't. Susan H. > No soap on the import. Now I'm getting worried. What could it be? From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 2 19:09:12 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:09:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: <061EE2066CA64C2EBE06DF319FEDCEAA@SusanOne> References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne><5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne><9F70BD1865B84ECCB7DDBF8ACFD3B26E@HAL9005> <061EE2066CA64C2EBE06DF319FEDCEAA@SusanOne> Message-ID: <191175AA95414D0792DB2FD1B5A8B6A6@HAL9005> Thought of that but no, different/same, fails just the same. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:53 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working Do the field and control have the same name? You know that confuses Access and while it shouldn't matter in this case, you just never know. Susan H. > No soap on the import. Now I'm getting worried. What could it be? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 2 19:11:24 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:11:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: <89E3805D0DA04326B98E46919A6099DE@SusanOne> References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne><5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne><9F70BD1865B84ECCB7DDBF8ACFD3B26E@HAL9005> <89E3805D0DA04326B98E46919A6099DE@SusanOne> Message-ID: <543CF2D6ED774707ACB0442DE843DD3E@HAL9005> "You can't assign a value to this object" if I try that. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:05 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working Rocky, try setting the property in the report's Open or Load event, instead of setting the property manually. I've never done that, so I'm not totally sure you can do that, but I don't know why you couldn't. Susan H. > No soap on the import. Now I'm getting worried. What could it be? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 20:23:41 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:23:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne><5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne><9F70BD1865B84ECCB7DDBF8ACFD3B26E@HAL9005><061EE2066CA64C2EBE06DF319FEDCEAA@SusanOne> <191175AA95414D0792DB2FD1B5A8B6A6@HAL9005> Message-ID: <9F895F7FA410497B91E8D6C23E079734@SusanOne> You did remember to manually reset the property to no in the report's Design view, didn't you??? ;) Susan H. > Thought of that but no, different/same, fails just the same. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 2 20:27:11 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:27:11 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: <9F895F7FA410497B91E8D6C23E079734@SusanOne> References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne><5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne><9F70BD1865B84ECCB7DDBF8ACFD3B26E@HAL9005><061EE2066CA64C2EBE06DF319FEDCEAA@SusanOne><191175AA95414D0792DB2FD1B5A8B6A6@HAL9005> <9F895F7FA410497B91E8D6C23E079734@SusanOne> Message-ID: yeah -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 6:24 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working You did remember to manually reset the property to no in the report's Design view, didn't you??? ;) Susan H. > Thought of that but no, different/same, fails just the same. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 20:43:44 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:43:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne><5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne><9F70BD1865B84ECCB7DDBF8ACFD3B26E@HAL9005><89E3805D0DA04326B98E46919A6099DE@SusanOne> <543CF2D6ED774707ACB0442DE843DD3E@HAL9005> Message-ID: <66659FD9C6A24525904B1627196357BB@SusanOne> Ah... you can set it only in Design view... I suppose if you're opening the report from a form or something, you could consider trying. Why don't you drop in a Debug.Print that tells you what the HideDuplicates property is -- just to see if Access is even reading the property. Rocky, I haven't a clue. How about testing a report in another database, or testing your database in another version???? Do you have Access 2000 on the same system. I read somewhere that it has a problem with HideDuplicates, but it isn't the same problem -- so I can't imagine it's the culprit, but if you do have 2000, you might make sure it's updated. Susan H. > "You can't assign a value to this object" if I try that. > > Rocky > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:05 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > > Rocky, try setting the property in the report's Open or Load event, > instead > of setting the property manually. I've never done that, so I'm not totally > sure you can do that, but I don't know why you couldn't. > > Susan H. > > >> No soap on the import. Now I'm getting worried. What could it be? > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Thu Jul 2 20:46:25 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:46:25 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it In-Reply-To: <4A4B744E.6030808@nanaimo.ark.com> References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B696E.60106@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B744E.6030808@nanaimo.ark.com> Message-ID: Well put, Tony. I have heard it said that the best thing about Access is that it's part of Office, and the worst thing about Access is that it's part of Office. For one thing, if it wasn't part of Office, it's doubtful it would have survived like it has. On the other hand, it is clearly in a completely different league compared with the other Office products. As John correctly pointed out, it takes a lot of hard work to achieve proficiency. In the sense that it is used to "develop" database applications, it is clearly a developer program. Here's another thing that is a best/worst thing about Access. It provides the ability for beginners to make effective simple applications, as well as providing a very powerful set of tools for professional developers to build complex applications. It simplifies the ability to connect to a wide range of data sources. It provides for a wide range of different application types - desktop / multi-user / hybrid desktop-web / clent-server. There is not a product on the planet that does now, nor ever has, come even close to catering to the needs of such a diverse range of IT workers and such a wide range of application scenarios. And guess what, I reckon this trend is going to continue to get even more so, as Access continues to move forward and keep pace with the wider IT industry. Is this an advantage? Yes. Is it a disadvantage? Yes. This is a topic that is close to my heart. Unlike some here, I do not have a deep IT background. I came to databases from an entirely different background. If it wasn't for the fact that Access provides something for the newbie, I would never have got into it. It was still a steep learning curve, but it was manageable. I have been full-time Access developer for about 12 years, part-time for a few more years before that. Know what I'm saying? I love this, and *I owe my career* to being able to do something with Access without knowing what I was doing. I don't know whether there are many on this list with this type of story, but it is not uncommon in the Access world in general. Now, that's the trouble... The fact that anyone can have a go, and think they're doing cool stuff, but in reality making a mess, because Access is in Office like Word and Excel and some people therefore assume it is as easy to use, that's the root of this stuff you mentioned about Access being regarded as "just a toy". In many situations, it is a constant battle for Access developers to maintain their dignity and get taken seriously, and for Access to be seen as an appropriate/best tool for jobs which it really is but the reputation is tarnished. That's the reason I built a webpage at http://accesstips.datamanagementsolutions.biz/apps.htm to try and demonstrate that Access does some serious stuff. As for "give us what we need", all I can do is suggest you consider applying to join the Beta for Access 2010. As Martin Reid (he who is primarily responsible for triggering my initial passion for Access 2007/SharePoint integration) said in a recent post here, the major conceptual decisions about the product's direction are well established by the time we get to see it, so wholesale dissing is a waste of time. But I think the Access team will be very keen to hear, and respond to, constructive feedback on the details and implementation. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony Septav" Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:35 AM > .... I consider Access to be more of > a developer's program than a user's program. Most Office users haven't > got a clue what Access does or how to do it, that is why we see so many > users using EXCEL to perform activities that are really database > specific (and they have reams of worksheets to show for their efforts). > I am saddened when I see strong support for the developers lacking. I > consider Access (kind of hate to be saying it) an excellent development > program. And at times I want to "spit" whenever I hear other developers > saying "Access! that is just a toy". In my many years (and you and I > have been on this list a long long time) I have developed what I > consider to be some pretty powerful applications using Access. I have > looked at what some of the "big boys" have developed and in many cases > they truly lack the vibrancy of an Access application. I can see MS's > point of trying to create a product that all user's will feel > comfortable with (marketing, marketing) but please don't do it at the > expense of your loyal developer's. Just give us what we need. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4211 (20090702) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 2 20:50:04 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:50:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: <66659FD9C6A24525904B1627196357BB@SusanOne> References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne><5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne><9F70BD1865B84ECCB7DDBF8ACFD3B26E@HAL9005><89E3805D0DA04326B98E46919A6099DE@SusanOne><543CF2D6ED774707ACB0442DE843DD3E@HAL9005> <66659FD9C6A24525904B1627196357BB@SusanOne> Message-ID: This is in 2003. Had the same problem on two other machines and don't have the problem in other apps, so I think it must be in this mdb. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 6:44 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working Ah... you can set it only in Design view... I suppose if you're opening the report from a form or something, you could consider trying. Why don't you drop in a Debug.Print that tells you what the HideDuplicates property is -- just to see if Access is even reading the property. Rocky, I haven't a clue. How about testing a report in another database, or testing your database in another version???? Do you have Access 2000 on the same system. I read somewhere that it has a problem with HideDuplicates, but it isn't the same problem -- so I can't imagine it's the culprit, but if you do have 2000, you might make sure it's updated. Susan H. > "You can't assign a value to this object" if I try that. > > Rocky > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:05 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > > Rocky, try setting the property in the report's Open or Load event, > instead of setting the property manually. I've never done that, so I'm > not totally sure you can do that, but I don't know why you couldn't. > > Susan H. > > >> No soap on the import. Now I'm getting worried. What could it be? > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Thu Jul 2 21:02:33 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:02:33 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne><5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne><9F70BD1865B84ECCB7DDBF8ACFD3B26E@HAL9005><89E3805D0DA04326B98E46919A6099DE@SusanOne><543CF2D6ED774707ACB0442DE843DD3E@HAL9005><66659FD9C6A24525904B1627196357BB@SusanOne> Message-ID: <8B4F0D8396824F6590BE083E2B3BA0E2@stevePC> Rocky, Apologies if I have missed this, but I don't see your answer to Susan's earlier question about whether this same problem happens in other reports in the same MDB? Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:50 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > This is in 2003. Had the same problem on two other machines and don't > have > the problem in other apps, so I think it must be in this mdb. > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4211 (20090702) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From kismert at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 21:46:02 2009 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:46:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones Message-ID: <7c7841600907021946g2e2060c7g53c6a56263e54170@mail.gmail.com> >Charlotte Foust >I think a gingerbread cottage with a very large oven is >more my style! OK Charlotte, YOU'RE the one who should be starring on 'What not to Code'. Those noobs wouldn't stand a chance! >Susan H. >Yes, that sounds more like it. I really should be running >a bed and breakfast in some little valley somewhere. :) You are more a geeky version of Paula Deen ... "Hi y'all! I'm Susan H. Today on 'Home Coding', we're going to bake a red velvet cake, and normalize a flat table to second normal form. And we're going to put a marshmallow-stuffed donut on that table." -Ken From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 22:38:39 2009 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:38:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Split database conceptual problems Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0907022038o1ad99dc4wc94e0b8e7ea600e1@mail.gmail.com> Hello All: All my client databases have a FE/BE structure. I generally name the files something like 'GreenWorldNursery.mdb' (FE) and 'GreenWorldNursery_Data.mdb' (BE). I send new clients a nice description of how FE/BE works, and always explain at length on the phone or in person. Over the years, however, I've realized that about half the people I deal with seem to be unable to grasp the concept of a front end with screens, reports, etc. and a back end which contains only data, no matter how often I explain. Despite my best efforts, they try to start the database by double clicking on the BE, copy the BE to their local computer instead of the FE, send me back a copy of 'GreenWorldNursery.mdb' when they have a data problem and I've asked them to send me 'GreenWorldNursery_Data.mdb', etc. etc. I've solved the worst problems with code - my BE databases have warning screens that show when they're opened; my FEs have all kinds of checks to make sure they're not running off the server, are linking correctly to the proper BE, etc. But I spent half an hour today on the phone with a fairly intelligent user who, it finally turned out, had confused the two files and was reading me the WRONG FILE NAMES off her My Computer window. With that preamble, here are my two questions: 1. Has anyone come up with a good metaphor for explaining the difference between a FE and BE .mdb file? 2. Are there better naming conventions out there? Thanks, Doug Steele From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 2 22:51:47 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:51:47 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] I love AMD Message-ID: <4A4D8053.7060507@colbyconsulting.com> I just finished upgrading my second server from the original Phenom 9600 to the Phenom II X4 940. The 940 stock speed is 3.0 Ghz vs about 2.2 ghz for the 9600 and it overclocks easily to 3.3 so I basically get a 50% raw clock increase plus more cache and all the other goodies that come with the latest and greatest AMD processor. And it drops right in to my existing motherboard. But even better, I now have "hand me down" quad core chips to upgrade other machines down the line. I upgraded my Windows Home Server from an X2 "3800" to the quad core Phenom 9600. This machine is my server for my Windows Media Center and sorely needs more power so now it has it. I have another Phenom 9600 hanging out waiting for a home. I will probably end up upgrading the game system with that. Gotta love it. -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From miscellany at mvps.org Thu Jul 2 22:53:18 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:53:18 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Split database conceptual problems In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0907022038o1ad99dc4wc94e0b8e7ea600e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4dd71a0c0907022038o1ad99dc4wc94e0b8e7ea600e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5546ECDB7C2D42A4A0DF4CA5A4FE7ADE@stevePC> Doug, I don't think I would ever have attempted to explain anything about the files to any client. I always install an application with a desktop shortcut, and as far as the users are concerned, that's the only way to run the app. I usually have a button on a form with code to zip up the backend database and upload it by FTP to my server. My frontends would always be MDE or ACCDE files, so I guess that would help to distinguish from a backend MDB or ACCDB - provided they don't have filename extensions hidden. Not a complete answer, I know, but just a few related thoughts. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Doug Steele" Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:38 PM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: [AccessD] Split database conceptual problems > Hello All: > > All my client databases have a FE/BE structure. I generally name the > files > something like 'GreenWorldNursery.mdb' (FE) and > 'GreenWorldNursery_Data.mdb' > (BE). I send new clients a nice description of how FE/BE works, and > always > explain at length on the phone or in person. Over the years, however, > I've > realized that about half the people I deal with seem to be unable to grasp > the concept of a front end with screens, reports, etc. and a back end > which > contains only data, no matter how often I explain. Despite my best > efforts, > they try to start the database by double clicking on the BE, copy the BE > to > their local computer instead of the FE, send me back a copy of > 'GreenWorldNursery.mdb' when they have a data problem and I've asked them > to > send me 'GreenWorldNursery_Data.mdb', etc. etc. > > I've solved the worst problems with code - my BE databases have warning > screens that show when they're opened; my FEs have all kinds of checks to > make sure they're not running off the server, are linking correctly to the > proper BE, etc. But I spent half an hour today on the phone with a fairly > intelligent user who, it finally turned out, had confused the two files > and > was reading me the WRONG FILE NAMES off her My Computer window. > > With that preamble, here are my two questions: > > 1. Has anyone come up with a good metaphor for explaining the difference > between a FE and BE .mdb file? > 2. Are there better naming conventions out there? > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4211 (20090702) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 3 00:50:27 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:50:27 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Split database conceptual problems In-Reply-To: <5546ECDB7C2D42A4A0DF4CA5A4FE7ADE@stevePC> References: <4dd71a0c0907022038o1ad99dc4wc94e0b8e7ea600e1@mail.gmail.com>, <5546ECDB7C2D42A4A0DF4CA5A4FE7ADE@stevePC> Message-ID: <4A4D9C23.3081.6AB6921@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> One further step is to rename GreenWorldNursery_data.mdb to GreenWorldNursery_data.dat and then relink. That way they can't open the data file by double clicking on it. Then explain that the .dat file contains the data and the .mdb/mde file contains the program that uses the data. On 3 Jul 2009 at 15:53, Steve Schapel wrote: > Doug, > > I don't think I would ever have attempted to explain anything about the > files to any client. > > I always install an application with a desktop shortcut, and as far as the > users are concerned, that's the only way to run the app. > > I usually have a button on a form with code to zip up the backend database > and upload it by FTP to my server. > > My frontends would always be MDE or ACCDE files, so I guess that would help > to distinguish from a backend MDB or ACCDB - provided they don't have > filename extensions hidden. > > Not a complete answer, I know, but just a few related thoughts. > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Doug Steele" > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:38 PM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: [AccessD] Split database conceptual problems > > > Hello All: > > > > All my client databases have a FE/BE structure. I generally name the > > files > > something like 'GreenWorldNursery.mdb' (FE) and > > 'GreenWorldNursery_Data.mdb' > > (BE). I send new clients a nice description of how FE/BE works, and > > always > > explain at length on the phone or in person. Over the years, however, > > I've > > realized that about half the people I deal with seem to be unable to grasp > > the concept of a front end with screens, reports, etc. and a back end > > which > > contains only data, no matter how often I explain. Despite my best > > efforts, > > they try to start the database by double clicking on the BE, copy the BE > > to > > their local computer instead of the FE, send me back a copy of > > 'GreenWorldNursery.mdb' when they have a data problem and I've asked them > > to > > send me 'GreenWorldNursery_Data.mdb', etc. etc. > > > > I've solved the worst problems with code - my BE databases have warning > > screens that show when they're opened; my FEs have all kinds of checks to > > make sure they're not running off the server, are linking correctly to the > > proper BE, etc. But I spent half an hour today on the phone with a fairly > > intelligent user who, it finally turned out, had confused the two files > > and > > was reading me the WRONG FILE NAMES off her My Computer window. > > > > With that preamble, here are my two questions: > > > > 1. Has anyone come up with a good metaphor for explaining the difference > > between a FE and BE .mdb file? > > 2. Are there better naming conventions out there? > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4211 (20090702) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Jul 3 02:30:34 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:30:34 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: The near future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <286E273308AC488EB0B68862088ECDBA@MINSTER> I knew I should have paid more attention in Science lessons. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 02 July 2009 19:08 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: The near future Hi all Time for a Friday relax - from our local university - about a blone and two (bright) nerds: http://www.flixxy.com/science-education-denmark.htm /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 3 03:19:58 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:19:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: <8B4F0D8396824F6590BE083E2B3BA0E2@stevePC> References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne><5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne><9F70BD1865B84ECCB7DDBF8ACFD3B26E@HAL9005><89E3805D0DA04326B98E46919A6099DE@SusanOne><543CF2D6ED774707ACB0442DE843DD3E@HAL9005><66659FD9C6A24525904B1627196357BB@SusanOne> <8B4F0D8396824F6590BE083E2B3BA0E2@stevePC> Message-ID: <9DE2DD7DD5DA432B89FC6587FA1E9B81@HAL9005> Yeah other reports seem to have the same problem - seems to be something about this mdb - I get the same result on two other machines. But other mdbs behave correctly. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working Rocky, Apologies if I have missed this, but I don't see your answer to Susan's earlier question about whether this same problem happens in other reports in the same MDB? Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:50 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > This is in 2003. Had the same problem on two other machines and don't > have the problem in other apps, so I think it must be in this mdb. > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4211 (20090702) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jul 3 03:39:42 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:39:42 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Split database conceptual problems Message-ID: Hi Doug We've used the rename trick as well. Rename the frontend to .mdp (for program) and the backend to .mdd (for data). This is so simple that it hurts, and it stops any double-clicking leaving your installed short-cut as the only gateway for the average user to your app. That also solves the naming convention considerations as the filenames can be identical except for their extension. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 03-07-2009 07:50 >>> One further step is to rename GreenWorldNursery_data.mdb to GreenWorldNursery_data.dat and then relink. That way they can't open the data file by double clicking on it. Then explain that the .dat file contains the data and the .mdb/mde file contains the program that uses the data. From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Fri Jul 3 04:57:17 2009 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:57:17 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it In-Reply-To: References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com><4A4B696E.60106@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B744E.6030808@nanaimo.ark.com> Message-ID: <010c01c9fbc4$a79680b0$f6c38210$@spb.ru> Well put, Steve, thank you :) <<< The fact that anyone can have a go, and think they're doing cool stuff, but in reality making a mess >>> I suppose this is the core issue and not only for MS Access development: anyone can have a go and many of those can produce "good enough" applications, and the latter are what often is "good enough" for many businesses' automation especially small and even middle. The gap between "good enough" and professional is very large - a part of "good enough" group gets into professional group but the volume of "good enough" group is so large that it corrupts real value of professional group. Also I'd note that technology is getting developed so quickly these days that what was considered professional work several years ago nowadays becomes a "kids play": one example - I watched several years ago a coursework of my daughter who were that time a student of Financial University here - the stuff she was doing in MS Excel and MS Access was what I was doing as a professional developer somewhere in 1995-2000, and she was doing also her database datamodel normalization and using autonumber Ids etc. - and that was in Financial not Computer Science related university. Now, imagine (do you know?) what nowadays students do study/master when they specialize in Computer Science? - and most of those students are ready to produce "good enough" stuff when in or right out of high school/college, quite some of them can start working on very high level... Of course years and years are needed for most of "good enoughers" to get on real professional level but who cares - they can get produced "good enough" stuff right now, and quite some mess sometimes as you noted. Well, have one never produced a messy software in one's professional developer carrier? - of course not but real professional developers who can fail sometimes and make such a mess are feeling always responsible to clean it unlike "good enough" folks... Just my .02 roubles worth addition to your great post and blog I have found very interesting to read... Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:46 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it Well put, Tony. I have heard it said that the best thing about Access is that it's part of Office, and the worst thing about Access is that it's part of Office. For one thing, if it wasn't part of Office, it's doubtful it would have survived like it has. On the other hand, it is clearly in a completely different league compared with the other Office products. As John correctly pointed out, it takes a lot of hard work to achieve proficiency. In the sense that it is used to "develop" database applications, it is clearly a developer program. Here's another thing that is a best/worst thing about Access. It provides the ability for beginners to make effective simple applications, as well as providing a very powerful set of tools for professional developers to build complex applications. It simplifies the ability to connect to a wide range of data sources. It provides for a wide range of different application types - desktop / multi-user / hybrid desktop-web / clent-server. There is not a product on the planet that does now, nor ever has, come even close to catering to the needs of such a diverse range of IT workers and such a wide range of application scenarios. And guess what, I reckon this trend is going to continue to get even more so, as Access continues to move forward and keep pace with the wider IT industry. Is this an advantage? Yes. Is it a disadvantage? Yes. This is a topic that is close to my heart. Unlike some here, I do not have a deep IT background. I came to databases from an entirely different background. If it wasn't for the fact that Access provides something for the newbie, I would never have got into it. It was still a steep learning curve, but it was manageable. I have been full-time Access developer for about 12 years, part-time for a few more years before that. Know what I'm saying? I love this, and *I owe my career* to being able to do something with Access without knowing what I was doing. I don't know whether there are many on this list with this type of story, but it is not uncommon in the Access world in general. Now, that's the trouble... The fact that anyone can have a go, and think they're doing cool stuff, but in reality making a mess, because Access is in Office like Word and Excel and some people therefore assume it is as easy to use, that's the root of this stuff you mentioned about Access being regarded as "just a toy". In many situations, it is a constant battle for Access developers to maintain their dignity and get taken seriously, and for Access to be seen as an appropriate/best tool for jobs which it really is but the reputation is tarnished. That's the reason I built a webpage at http://accesstips.datamanagementsolutions.biz/apps.htm to try and demonstrate that Access does some serious stuff. As for "give us what we need", all I can do is suggest you consider applying to join the Beta for Access 2010. As Martin Reid (he who is primarily responsible for triggering my initial passion for Access 2007/SharePoint integration) said in a recent post here, the major conceptual decisions about the product's direction are well established by the time we get to see it, so wholesale dissing is a waste of time. But I think the Access team will be very keen to hear, and respond to, constructive feedback on the details and implementation. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony Septav" Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:35 AM > .... I consider Access to be more of > a developer's program than a user's program. Most Office users haven't > got a clue what Access does or how to do it, that is why we see so many > users using EXCEL to perform activities that are really database > specific (and they have reams of worksheets to show for their efforts). > I am saddened when I see strong support for the developers lacking. I > consider Access (kind of hate to be saying it) an excellent development > program. And at times I want to "spit" whenever I hear other developers > saying "Access! that is just a toy". In my many years (and you and I > have been on this list a long long time) I have developed what I > consider to be some pretty powerful applications using Access. I have > looked at what some of the "big boys" have developed and in many cases > they truly lack the vibrancy of an Access application. I can see MS's > point of trying to create a product that all user's will feel > comfortable with (marketing, marketing) but please don't do it at the > expense of your loyal developer's. Just give us what we need. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4211 (20090702) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4211 (20090702) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 05:19:22 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:19:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it In-Reply-To: <010c01c9fbc4$a79680b0$f6c38210$@spb.ru> References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B696E.60106@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B744E.6030808@nanaimo.ark.com> <010c01c9fbc4$a79680b0$f6c38210$@spb.ru> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907030319p6b835483q1a336dee767761ad@mail.gmail.com> After some experience programming Excel and Word applications, I tend to think that they are being sold short in this thread. Example, I wrote an Excel app that is run once a month. It opens approximately 200 workbooks, two per investment fund, and grabs the monthly data for last year and this year, creating a new workbook containing one page per fund. Due to the directory structure (a directory per year and within that a directory per month), The app had to be smart enough to increment the year, come December, and when incrementing December, realize that the next month was January. There were also some calculations and a couple of charts. Formerly this job was done by hand, the way an experience user would do it (lots of open, copy and paste) took approximately two person-weeks. My finished app reduced the task to a couple of mouse-clicks and five minutes. I learned a lot about the Excel object model and the power of VBA code within Excel. That gig gave me a whole new respect for Excel. Arthur From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jul 3 06:35:20 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:35:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Split database conceptual problems In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0907022038o1ad99dc4wc94e0b8e7ea600e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4dd71a0c0907022038o1ad99dc4wc94e0b8e7ea600e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4DECF8.4000506@colbyconsulting.com> I use MyDB_FE.mdb and MyDb_BE.MDB. You could use MyDb_Application.mdb and MDB_Data.Mdb. That makes it about as clear as possible. I guess the question I have is why the user even SEES the Be to start with. I use a batch file to copy the FE and any necessary libraries to the local hard drive and then launch the FE. The user does not "see" the FE or the BE, all they "see" is the batch file, and even then it is only a LINK to the batch file residing on the server. "Click this link on your desktop / quicklaunch". John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Doug Steele wrote: > Hello All: > > All my client databases have a FE/BE structure. I generally name the files > something like 'GreenWorldNursery.mdb' (FE) and 'GreenWorldNursery_Data.mdb' > (BE). I send new clients a nice description of how FE/BE works, and always > explain at length on the phone or in person. Over the years, however, I've > realized that about half the people I deal with seem to be unable to grasp > the concept of a front end with screens, reports, etc. and a back end which > contains only data, no matter how often I explain. Despite my best efforts, > they try to start the database by double clicking on the BE, copy the BE to > their local computer instead of the FE, send me back a copy of > 'GreenWorldNursery.mdb' when they have a data problem and I've asked them to > send me 'GreenWorldNursery_Data.mdb', etc. etc. > > I've solved the worst problems with code - my BE databases have warning > screens that show when they're opened; my FEs have all kinds of checks to > make sure they're not running off the server, are linking correctly to the > proper BE, etc. But I spent half an hour today on the phone with a fairly > intelligent user who, it finally turned out, had confused the two files and > was reading me the WRONG FILE NAMES off her My Computer window. > > With that preamble, here are my two questions: > > 1. Has anyone come up with a good metaphor for explaining the difference > between a FE and BE .mdb file? > 2. Are there better naming conventions out there? > > Thanks, > Doug Steele From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jul 3 06:44:55 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:44:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907030319p6b835483q1a336dee767761ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B696E.60106@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B744E.6030808@nanaimo.ark.com> <010c01c9fbc4$a79680b0$f6c38210$@spb.ru> <29f585dd0907030319p6b835483q1a336dee767761ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4DEF37.4030102@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. Arthur, this immediately raises the question about why the data doesn't reside in a database to start with and push to Excel to display it. Directory structures? Years, months? How about a table? I understand that this is what you started with but that is not a reason per se to leave it that way. My very first job as an Access developer was to build an application that used about 500 spreadsheets that contained rates for various size ads in newspapers. The old application stored the spreadsheets in a directory tree (sound familiar). My app imported all of the sheets into access and used it from there. I am not disputing that Excel is capable programmatically, rather that the data might be better contained in a database table. Set up a template spreadsheet, then export that to Excel for viewing / what ifs. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Arthur Fuller wrote: > After some experience programming Excel and Word applications, I tend to > think that they are being sold short in this thread. Example, I wrote an > Excel app that is run once a month. It opens approximately 200 workbooks, > two per investment fund, and grabs the monthly data for last year and this > year, creating a new workbook containing one page per fund. Due to the > directory structure (a directory per year and within that a directory per > month), The app had to be smart enough to increment the year, come December, > and when incrementing December, realize that the next month was January. > There were also some calculations and a couple of charts. Formerly this job > was done by hand, the way an experience user would do it (lots of open, copy > and paste) took approximately two person-weeks. My finished app reduced the > task to a couple of mouse-clicks and five minutes. I learned a lot about the > Excel object model and the power of VBA code within Excel. That gig gave me > a whole new respect for Excel. > Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 06:49:37 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 07:49:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it In-Reply-To: <4A4DEF37.4030102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B696E.60106@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B744E.6030808@nanaimo.ark.com> <010c01c9fbc4$a79680b0$f6c38210$@spb.ru> <29f585dd0907030319p6b835483q1a336dee767761ad@mail.gmail.com> <4A4DEF37.4030102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907030449l16467848t2a645cc1dd4341df@mail.gmail.com> >>I understand that this is what you started with but that is not a reason per se to leave it that way. The simple reason I left it that way is because the employer insisted upon it. A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jul 3 07:10:11 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:10:11 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907030449l16467848t2a645cc1dd4341df@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B696E.60106@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B744E.6030808@nanaimo.ark.com> <010c01c9fbc4$a79680b0$f6c38210$@spb.ru> <29f585dd0907030319p6b835483q1a336dee767761ad@mail.gmail.com> <4A4DEF37.4030102@colbyconsulting.com> <29f585dd0907030449l16467848t2a645cc1dd4341df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4DF523.8060602@colbyconsulting.com> ROTFL. Valid reason. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Arthur Fuller wrote: >>> I understand that this is what you started with but that is not a reason > per se to leave it that way. > The simple reason I left it that way is because the employer insisted upon > it. > > A. From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 08:25:31 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 09:25:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] What not to code -- Was: Skill Zones References: <7c7841600907021946g2e2060c7g53c6a56263e54170@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44E9AEB3DBA743FC99D7157D02264691@SusanOne> > You are more a geeky version of Paula Deen ... "Hi y'all! I'm Susan H. > Today > on 'Home Coding', we're going to bake a red velvet cake, and normalize a > flat table to second normal form. And we're going to put a > marshmallow-stuffed donut on that table." =======Well, you started my day out right -- thank you for the big laugh! I do watch Paula Deen, regularly. :) You've got her down and yes, I make a mean red velvet cake! ;) Susan H. From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com Fri Jul 3 08:27:22 2009 From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:27:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it Message-ID: <4A4E073A.3050706@nanaimo.ark.com> Hey Arthur The simple reason I left it that way is because the employer insisted upon it. Made me laugh. Damn clients. Many years ago I had a client who had been sold on the fact that their EXCEL program (not really a program, just monthly/yearly worksheets) should really be converted over to a database program. They contacted me and I said "Yes I could do it.". They said "One stipulation the new program has to maintain the look and feel of the original worksheet". That was no easy feat. An Aside That gig gave me a whole new respect for Excel. My first program (years and years ago) was an Investment Receipt program designed in VisiCalc (DOS) and completely macro driven (macros macros everywhere) and it worked fine for 2 or 3 years before we converted it over to a database and it is still running today (with many database updates). From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 08:45:49 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 09:45:49 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it References: <4A4E073A.3050706@nanaimo.ark.com> Message-ID: <94967007A3574A5980F629A1597EFD62@SusanOne> They said "One stipulation the new > program has to maintain the look and feel of the original worksheet". =====My war story: A client using an old db program needed (really, wanted) sequential id numbers. To accomplish that, he'd been reusing pk values for years -- when he would delete a record, he would write down the number and then enter that number for the next record's id value -- totally insane. He was furious when my Access interface didn't allow him to reuse numbers. I kept explaining that it was totally unnecessary. He just didn't get it, and we never finished the project. Now, I had accommodated him in that each record displayed a sequential id number automatically -- but that wasn't good enough, he wanted control, he wanted the ability to enter deleted id values himself. I refused. He fired me. In retrospect, I should've given him what he wanted, allowed him to go through the process... it wouldn't have mattered, I was already using an AutoNumber pk that he couldn't see, so wouldn't have meant balls... he was insane and I just didn't think fast enough on my feet. Susan H. From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com Fri Jul 3 08:56:21 2009 From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:56:21 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it In-Reply-To: <94967007A3574A5980F629A1597EFD62@SusanOne> References: <4A4E073A.3050706@nanaimo.ark.com> <94967007A3574A5980F629A1597EFD62@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4A4E0E05.3030902@nanaimo.ark.com> Hey Susan Yes I bet we could fill a week of EMails on this list with client horror stories. Clients are scary. But you nod your head and smile, when in the back or your mind you are thinking "Are you frickin nuts...". I have been lucky most of my client's are pretty good folks. Susan Harkins wrote: >They said "One stipulation the new > > >>program has to maintain the look and feel of the original worksheet". >> >> > >=====My war story: A client using an old db program needed (really, wanted) >sequential id numbers. To accomplish that, he'd been reusing pk values for >years -- when he would delete a record, he would write down the number and >then enter that number for the next record's id value -- totally insane. > >He was furious when my Access interface didn't allow him to reuse numbers. I >kept explaining that it was totally unnecessary. He just didn't get it, and >we never finished the project. Now, I had accommodated him in that each >record displayed a sequential id number automatically -- but that wasn't >good enough, he wanted control, he wanted the ability to enter deleted id >values himself. I refused. He fired me. In retrospect, I should've given him >what he wanted, allowed him to go through the process... it wouldn't have >mattered, I was already using an AutoNumber pk that he couldn't see, so >wouldn't have meant balls... he was insane and I just didn't think fast >enough on my feet. > >Susan H. > > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jul 3 10:37:13 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:37:13 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it In-Reply-To: <94967007A3574A5980F629A1597EFD62@SusanOne> References: <4A4E073A.3050706@nanaimo.ark.com> <94967007A3574A5980F629A1597EFD62@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4A4E25A9.5090900@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. Damned clients! He might have been cooking the books too. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Susan Harkins wrote: > They said "One stipulation the new >> program has to maintain the look and feel of the original worksheet". > > =====My war story: A client using an old db program needed (really, wanted) > sequential id numbers. To accomplish that, he'd been reusing pk values for > years -- when he would delete a record, he would write down the number and > then enter that number for the next record's id value -- totally insane. > > He was furious when my Access interface didn't allow him to reuse numbers. I > kept explaining that it was totally unnecessary. He just didn't get it, and > we never finished the project. Now, I had accommodated him in that each > record displayed a sequential id number automatically -- but that wasn't > good enough, he wanted control, he wanted the ability to enter deleted id > values himself. I refused. He fired me. In retrospect, I should've given him > what he wanted, allowed him to go through the process... it wouldn't have > mattered, I was already using an AutoNumber pk that he couldn't see, so > wouldn't have meant balls... he was insane and I just didn't think fast > enough on my feet. > > Susan H. > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 10:44:16 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:44:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it References: <4A4E073A.3050706@nanaimo.ark.com><94967007A3574A5980F629A1597EFD62@SusanOne> <4A4E25A9.5090900@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <585A31A57DC149B783FB6F882379FF7F@SusanOne> He was tracking real estate, nothing financial about it, but I suppose you might be right -- could've been more than just a "I've always done it this way, I want to continue doing it this way..." Susan H. > LOL. Damned clients! > > He might have been cooking the books too. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 11:16:09 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:16:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: Wimbledon Message-ID: <29f585dd0907030916n2ccace34ra95bffd9b17df980@mail.gmail.com> I don't know how many listers are as into tennis as I am, but let's just say that four times a year for two-week stretches, I suddenly start working nights so I can watch tennis all day -- the Grand Slams. This year is shaping up to be a great one, and everyone is hoping that Andy Murray makes it through. This morning Roger Federer made it through. Another hour and we see what happens to shape the Final -- Andy Murray is the first Brit (well, Scot actually, but all that is forgotten at Wimbledon), and Andy Roddick (USA) is playing the finest tennis of his life. In between matches, they replayed the final set from last year's Wimbledon Final, Nadal vs. Federer -- universally considered the finest tennis match ever played. I've seen it three times, and it made me weep with its beauty every time. It's like listening to the greatest classical music. You simply never get bored with it, even though you know exactly where it is going. Each time you visit it, you see new subtle nuances. Now it's Andy vs. Andy. Place your bets! All of Britain is going to be 110% behind Murray, and I suppose the same goes for USA and Roddick. We third-Worlders are allowed to decide on things other than nationality. It would be a tragic disappointment for all Britain should Murray lose. Even the Queen is rumoured to show up for the Final, should Murray win this match. IMO both Murray and Roddick are playing the strongest tennis of their lives. As for me, I'm hoping Murray wins, perhaps due to nothing more than its historical significance (Britain hasn't placed a player in the Final for 74 years, Tim Henman never managed to make it to the top tier). I'd like to see Federer vs. Murray. On the one hand, the significance of Murray making it to the Final; on the other hand, Fed's opportunity to surpass Sampras in number of Grand Slams won. I awoke at 3am this morning so I could put 4 hours of work in before the matches began. When they're done, I'll the other four in and call it a wonderful day. Arthur From jedi at charm.net Fri Jul 3 11:52:24 2009 From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AccessD] I love AMD In-Reply-To: <4A4D8053.7060507@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A4D8053.7060507@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4919.24.35.25.42.1246639944.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> John, get a Zalman cpu cooler and adjust your memory speed to 1-1 to your FSB and you should get 4GHz. For example, if you 800MHz memory set your memory clock to 400MHz. Cheaper than buying a faster cpu. Mike... > I just finished upgrading my second server from the original Phenom 9600 > to the Phenom II X4 940. > The 940 stock speed is 3.0 Ghz vs about 2.2 ghz for the 9600 and it > overclocks easily to 3.3 so I > basically get a 50% raw clock increase plus more cache and all the other > goodies that come with the > latest and greatest AMD processor. And it drops right in to my existing > motherboard. > > But even better, I now have "hand me down" quad core chips to upgrade > other machines down the line. > I upgraded my Windows Home Server from an X2 "3800" to the quad core > Phenom 9600. This machine is > my server for my Windows Media Center and sorely needs more power so now > it has it. > > I have another Phenom 9600 hanging out waiting for a home. I will > probably end up upgrading the > game system with that. > > Gotta love it. > > -- > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 3 15:29:40 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:29:40 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it In-Reply-To: <94967007A3574A5980F629A1597EFD62@SusanOne> References: <4A4E073A.3050706@nanaimo.ark.com>, <94967007A3574A5980F629A1597EFD62@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4A4E6A34.5.9D05C26@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> That's not an uncommon requirement. I've got one Club Memerbship system which does that automatically. The first x membership numbers are reserved for life members. When a membership lapses, that numbe becomes available again. When a new member joins, the are assigned the first available ordinary membership number. Life membership numbers are not re-used If someone is elected as a new Life Member, they are given the next sequential Life number - there are enough in the pool to last form many, many more years. Of course, I don't use the membership number as the PK :-) -- Stuart On 3 Jul 2009 at 9:45, Susan Harkins wrote: > They said "One stipulation the new > > program has to maintain the look and feel of the original worksheet". > > =====My war story: A client using an old db program needed (really, wanted) > sequential id numbers. To accomplish that, he'd been reusing pk values for > years -- when he would delete a record, he would write down the number and > then enter that number for the next record's id value -- totally insane. > > He was furious when my Access interface didn't allow him to reuse numbers. I > kept explaining that it was totally unnecessary. He just didn't get it, and > we never finished the project. Now, I had accommodated him in that each > record displayed a sequential id number automatically -- but that wasn't > good enough, he wanted control, he wanted the ability to enter deleted id > values himself. I refused. He fired me. In retrospect, I should've given him > what he wanted, allowed him to go through the process... it wouldn't have > mattered, I was already using an AutoNumber pk that he couldn't see, so > wouldn't have meant balls... he was insane and I just didn't think fast > enough on my feet. > > Susan H. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 15:30:41 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:30:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] VBA Immediate window - HELP! References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE038619@server.BondSoftware.local> <38c884770906172354x1b664b73j21392aba92b4bb0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00025A0F9A834359B98A0BF980AE004F@SusanOne> Paul -- that did it for me! Bless you! I've struggled with that forever! Susan H. If you still haven't solved this have you tried double clicking the title bar of the immediate window ? Paul Hartland 2009/6/17 Stephen > Somehow I've caused my Immediate window to come up > clobbering the view of the code. It used to appear at the > bottom of (and displacing some of) the code. I've tried all > the Window menu options. It's gotta be something simple > ....... > > At 4.30am Thursday and having a senior moment, > > Stephen Bond ???? > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 15:50:57 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:50:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Starting Point in Access 2007 In-Reply-To: <896404.30321.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <896404.30321.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907031350g1ae88304w6d3a278c4d4a8578@mail.gmail.com> The 2007 version of the Northwind database is beautiful, IMO. It's an excellent introduction to the new look and feel. Arthur On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Dale Kalsow wrote: > Good Morning, > > Does anyone have a database with a nice splash screen and/or menu system in > access 2007 that they are willing to share. Several years ago I did a lot > of programming in the previous version of Access and when on to other > projects. Now I changed jobs and am again being asked to write Access > applications. It looks like M$ is encouraging a new look in 2007. I could > create them myself but I thought if someone was willing to share there was > no reason to recreate it. > > Thanks! > > Dale > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 16:52:36 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:52:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907031452h2d1f4944r32def4885c29f8e7@mail.gmail.com> JC, I just downloaded your OpenArgs class demo, and may find my own answer before you reply, but when you say form properties, does that include form controls? Can I use it to "pass" several values to a form, so that when the form opens it assigns the values to the specified controls? thanks, Arthur From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 3 17:11:09 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:11:09 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: <9DE2DD7DD5DA432B89FC6587FA1E9B81@HAL9005> References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne><5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne><9F70BD1865B84ECCB7DDBF8ACFD3B26E@HAL9005><89E3805D0DA04326B98E46919A6099DE@SusanOne><543CF2D6ED774707ACB0442DE843DD3E@HAL9005><66659FD9C6A24525904B1627196357BB@SusanOne><8B4F0D8396824F6590BE083E2B3BA0E2@stevePC> <9DE2DD7DD5DA432B89FC6587FA1E9B81@HAL9005> Message-ID: Hi Rocky, I am interested in following through on this very weird problem. If you like, if you'd care to send me a file containing the report (along with the other database objects needed in order to demonstrate the problem), I would like to have a look at it. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 8:19 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > Yeah other reports seem to have the same problem - seems to be something > about this mdb - I get the same result on two other machines. But other > mdbs > behave correctly. > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4214 (20090703) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From apg at alun.de Fri Jul 3 18:11:46 2009 From: apg at alun.de (Alun G) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:11:46 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: Wimbledon In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907030916n2ccace34ra95bffd9b17df980@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0907030916n2ccace34ra95bffd9b17df980@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4E9032.9050602@alun.de> maybe next year :-( bloody good match though! Arthur Fuller wrote: > I don't know how many listers are as into tennis as I am, but let's just say > that four times a year for two-week stretches, I suddenly start working > nights so I can watch tennis all day -- the Grand Slams. This year is > shaping up to be a great one, and everyone is hoping that Andy Murray makes > it through. This morning Roger Federer made it through. Another hour and we > see what happens to shape the Final -- Andy Murray is the first Brit (well, > Scot actually, but all that is forgotten at Wimbledon), and Andy Roddick > (USA) is playing the finest tennis of his life. > In between matches, they replayed the final set from last year's Wimbledon > Final, Nadal vs. Federer -- universally considered the finest tennis match > ever played. I've seen it three times, and it made me weep with its beauty > every time. It's like listening to the greatest classical music. You simply > never get bored with it, even though you know exactly where it is going. > Each time you visit it, you see new subtle nuances. > > Now it's Andy vs. Andy. Place your bets! All of Britain is going to be 110% > behind Murray, and I suppose the same goes for USA and Roddick. We > third-Worlders are allowed to decide on things other than nationality. It > would be a tragic disappointment for all Britain should Murray lose. Even > the Queen is rumoured to show up for the Final, should Murray win this > match. > > IMO both Murray and Roddick are playing the strongest tennis of their lives. > As for me, I'm hoping Murray wins, perhaps due to nothing more than its > historical significance (Britain hasn't placed a player in the Final for 74 > years, Tim Henman never managed to make it to the top tier). I'd like to see > Federer vs. Murray. On the one hand, the significance of Murray making it to > the Final; on the other hand, Fed's opportunity to surpass Sampras in number > of Grand Slams won. > > I awoke at 3am this morning so I could put 4 hours of work in before the > matches began. When they're done, I'll the other four in and call it a > wonderful day. > > Arthur From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 3 18:45:52 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:45:52 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005><4517349111074329A3F18E0310F2E4AE@SusanOne><5A1F27A93BA94533AE9EF115101DF980@SusanOne><9F70BD1865B84ECCB7DDBF8ACFD3B26E@HAL9005><89E3805D0DA04326B98E46919A6099DE@SusanOne><543CF2D6ED774707ACB0442DE843DD3E@HAL9005><66659FD9C6A24525904B1627196357BB@SusanOne><8B4F0D8396824F6590BE083E2B3BA0E2@stevePC><9DE2DD7DD5DA432B89FC6587FA1E9B81@HAL9005> Message-ID: Rats. Would love to but I can't because of an NDA. However, I'm going to take a rain check on the offer and work up a sample without their data and get it to fail and then send it but since we're leaving in the morning for a week's vacation it may take a few days or longer. If I can impose on you to wait a few days...I'd love to get another sharp pair of eyes on this one. Please send me your email address. Thanks and regards, Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:11 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working Hi Rocky, I am interested in following through on this very weird problem. If you like, if you'd care to send me a file containing the report (along with the other database objects needed in order to demonstrate the problem), I would like to have a look at it. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 8:19 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > Yeah other reports seem to have the same problem - seems to be > something about this mdb - I get the same result on two other > machines. But other mdbs behave correctly. > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4214 (20090703) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 3 19:02:45 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:02:45 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005>, , Message-ID: <4A4E9C25.23198.A9373A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 3 Jul 2009 at 16:45, Rocky Smolin wrote: > to wait a few days...I'd love to get another sharp pair of eyes on this one. > Please send me your email address. Why do Outlook users keep on asking this question on mailing lists? You've got his email to the list. His address is in the From: field of that email. From: "Steve Schapel" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:11:09 +1200 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 3 19:07:24 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:07:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: <4A4E9C25.23198.A9373A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005>, , <4A4E9C25.23198.A9373A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <37604A4F10F344EDA88124596EB74A44@HAL9005> Because in his email I don't see his address. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working On 3 Jul 2009 at 16:45, Rocky Smolin wrote: > to wait a few days...I'd love to get another sharp pair of eyes on this one. > Please send me your email address. Why do Outlook users keep on asking this question on mailing lists? You've got his email to the list. His address is in the From: field of that email. From: "Steve Schapel" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:11:09 +1200 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 19:21:35 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:21:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005>, , <4A4E9C25.23198.A9373A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <37604A4F10F344EDA88124596EB74A44@HAL9005> Message-ID: Right-click, choose Properties. Susan H. > Because in his email I don't see his address. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 3 19:24:57 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:24:57 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005>, , <4A4E9C25.23198.A9373A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><37604A4F10F344EDA88124596EB74A44@HAL9005> Message-ID: Too easy. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working Right-click, choose Properties. Susan H. > Because in his email I don't see his address. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 3 19:30:18 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:30:18 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: <37604A4F10F344EDA88124596EB74A44@HAL9005> References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005>, <4A4E9C25.23198.A9373A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <37604A4F10F344EDA88124596EB74A44@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4A4EA29A.27076.AACADB4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Bl**dy Outlook :-) Why the h*ll does it hide such basic information? On 3 Jul 2009 at 17:07, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Because in his email I don't see his address. > > Rocky > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:03 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > > On 3 Jul 2009 at 16:45, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > to wait a few days...I'd love to get another sharp pair of eyes on this > one. > > Please send me your email address. > > Why do Outlook users keep on asking this question on mailing lists? > > > You've got his email to the list. His address is in the From: field of that > email. > > From: "Steve Schapel" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:11:09 +1200 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 3 19:33:12 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:33:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: <4A4EA29A.27076.AACADB4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005>, <4A4E9C25.23198.A9373A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <37604A4F10F344EDA88124596EB74A44@HAL9005> <4A4EA29A.27076.AACADB4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <335D2DF019484EAB9018718F5A1A3FD8@HAL9005> OK I see it now. My bad. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:30 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working Bl**dy Outlook :-) Why the h*ll does it hide such basic information? On 3 Jul 2009 at 17:07, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Because in his email I don't see his address. > > Rocky > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:03 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > > On 3 Jul 2009 at 16:45, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > to wait a few days...I'd love to get another sharp pair of eyes on > > this > one. > > Please send me your email address. > > Why do Outlook users keep on asking this question on mailing lists? > > > You've got his email to the list. His address is in the From: field of > that email. > > From: "Steve Schapel" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:11:09 +1200 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 3 19:38:50 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:38:50 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working In-Reply-To: <335D2DF019484EAB9018718F5A1A3FD8@HAL9005> References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005>, <4A4E9C25.23198.A9373A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <37604A4F10F344EDA88124596EB74A44@HAL9005><4A4EA29A.27076.AACADB4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <335D2DF019484EAB9018718F5A1A3FD8@HAL9005> Message-ID: Phew! Glad we got over that little speed hump! Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:33 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > OK I see it now. My bad. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:30 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working > > Bl**dy Outlook :-) > > Why the h*ll does it hide such basic information? > > > On 3 Jul 2009 at 17:07, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Because in his email I don't see his address. >> >> Rocky >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart >> McLachlan >> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:03 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working >> >> On 3 Jul 2009 at 16:45, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> >> > to wait a few days...I'd love to get another sharp pair of eyes on >> > this >> one. >> > Please send me your email address. >> >> Why do Outlook users keep on asking this question on mailing lists? >> >> >> You've got his email to the list. His address is in the From: field of >> that email. >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4214 (20090703) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 20:10:47 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:10:47 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Hide Duplicates Not Working References: <9758C937F2A34552BAABE9136CB6C19B@HAL9005>, <4A4E9C25.23198.A9373A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <37604A4F10F344EDA88124596EB74A44@HAL9005> <4A4EA29A.27076.AACADB4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <6BC9902CDC4B43028325CB828E1DB936@SusanOne> It doesn't, Rocky just doesn't know how to find it. :) Susan H. > Bl**dy Outlook :-) > > Why the h*ll does it hide such basic information? From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jul 3 21:50:37 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:50:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907031452h2d1f4944r32def4885c29f8e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4B5525.7080203@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B57F3.4070609@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B5D3E.8060809@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B6BBE.7060807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a4b82a0.1c07d00a.7006.3677@mx.google.com> <4A4B953D.1020408@colbyconsulting.com> <29f585dd0907031452h2d1f4944r32def4885c29f8e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4EC37D.8030601@colbyconsulting.com> The class assigns values to form properties. It can iterate through the properties looking for properties named the same as the open args passed in. That is trivial. Causing it to do the same for controls would open up a ton of issues since there may be more than one control with the same property, which control do you mean in that case? And yes, you can pass in none or hundreds of openargs. The form's code can then use the openargs to manipulate the controls, but the class does not do so directly. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Arthur Fuller wrote: > JC, > > I just downloaded your OpenArgs class demo, and may find my own answer > before you reply, but when you say form properties, does that include form > controls? Can I use it to "pass" several values to a form, so that when the > form opens it assigns the values to the specified controls? > thanks, > Arthur From phpons at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 09:11:00 2009 From: phpons at gmail.com (philippe pons) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 16:11:00 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile Message-ID: <57144ced0907040711i5813cc37i30edf0da819a58f3@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I spend several days trying to calculate quartile in access. I don't want to use the quartile function from excel. I currently try using a formula I found from dev ashish site. Works well with English regional settings, but failed with my French regional settings: we have the bad habit of using a coma as decimal separator!, and this makes the function end up in error. I found there is a QUARTILE function from the MS Office Web Components function Library (MSOWCFLib) It's syntax is: Function QUARTILE(array As IXRangeEnum, quart As Double) I don't know how to pass a parameter of the IXRangeEnum type to this function. google was not my friend in this situation! Any idea to do that? Any better idea? TIA, Philippe From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 09:36:36 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:36:36 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile In-Reply-To: <57144ced0907040711i5813cc37i30edf0da819a58f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <57144ced0907040711i5813cc37i30edf0da819a58f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a4f68f7.0508d00a.6d9f.ffffd51e@mx.google.com> You could, for example, put the value into a string, then use the replace() function to change the comma to a decimal point and then put the value back out again and then input it into your quartile function. Might work Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of philippe pons Sent: 04 July 2009 15:11 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile Hi all, I spend several days trying to calculate quartile in access. I don't want to use the quartile function from excel. I currently try using a formula I found from dev ashish site. Works well with English regional settings, but failed with my French regional settings: we have the bad habit of using a coma as decimal separator!, and this makes the function end up in error. I found there is a QUARTILE function from the MS Office Web Components function Library (MSOWCFLib) It's syntax is: Function QUARTILE(array As IXRangeEnum, quart As Double) I don't know how to pass a parameter of the IXRangeEnum type to this function. google was not my friend in this situation! Any idea to do that? Any better idea? TIA, Philippe -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jul 4 09:56:53 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:56:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile Message-ID: <380-2200976414565374@M2W011.mail2web.com> I wonder why Windows is not taking care of the comma/period problem if you have the , as the decimal point in the regional setting? Can you modify the source of ashish formula to get the numbers into the formula correctly? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of philippe pons Sent: 04 July 2009 15:11 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile Hi all, I spend several days trying to calculate quartile in access. I don't want to use the quartile function from excel. I currently try using a formula I found from dev ashish site. Works well with English regional settings, but failed with my French regional settings: we have the bad habit of using a coma as decimal separator!, and this makes the function end up in error. I found there is a QUARTILE function from the MS Office Web Components function Library (MSOWCFLib) It's syntax is: Function QUARTILE(array As IXRangeEnum, quart As Double) I don't know how to pass a parameter of the IXRangeEnum type to this function. google was not my friend in this situation! Any idea to do that? Any better idea? TIA, Philippe -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft? Windows? and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From marksimms at verizon.net Sat Jul 4 13:38:04 2009 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:38:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT - network shares question Message-ID: <00f601c9fcd6$9181bed0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> Given a corporate Windows network environment that has multiple domains, if one assumed that the network was all connected thru routers, bridges, switches, etc (I'm no network engineer), wouldn't be a very simple task to make a share to connect one domain's server's folder to another ? One Example: I was working with SQL Server on a server called XXX001 and it was addressable from my login domain. However, I could not BCP or even do an xp_cmdshell "DIR" to any of the network shares that were made available to me. I always got "access denied" from SQL Server. Was this a network issue or a SQL Server role/rights issue ? Another Example: Crystal reports was running from one server called YYY003. I couldn't extract the report files to any of my login's network shares. Couldn't they have easily introduced a permanent share on YYY003 to point to a folder in one of the shares I could read/write to ? This wasn't hard, correct ? From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jul 4 17:47:21 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:47:21 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT - network shares question In-Reply-To: <00f601c9fcd6$9181bed0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> References: <00f601c9fcd6$9181bed0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> Message-ID: <4A4FDBF9.23762.F74C63C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It al depends on the "trust relationships" You have no rights to do acces or use on a domain other than the one you authenticate through unless the other domain has been set up to "trust" your domain. Example 1: SQL Server access rights can eith be controlled by Active Directory or by SQL Server Login authentication. Using AD, your domain credentials you gain access rights to SQL Server based on what the SQL administator assignes and rights to other domain resources that you have been granted access to by the Domain Administrator. Using SQL Server login, you have whatever rights the SQL administrator assigns to you wihtin SQL Server. The SQL Server administrator can't gives you rights to any other domain resources - certainly not the right to read a directory on a computer you don't have the domain rights to access. Looks like Example 2 is the second scenario. Second verse, same as the first, a little bit louder and a little but worse Cheers, Stuart On 4 Jul 2009 at 14:38, Mark Simms wrote: > Given a corporate Windows network environment that has multiple domains, if > one assumed that the network was all connected thru routers, bridges, > switches, etc (I'm no network engineer), wouldn't be a very simple task to > make a share to connect one domain's server's folder to another ? > > One Example: I was working with SQL Server on a server called XXX001 and it > was addressable from my login domain. > However, I could not BCP or even do an xp_cmdshell "DIR" to any of the > network shares that were made available to me. > I always got "access denied" from SQL Server. > Was this a network issue or a SQL Server role/rights issue ? > > Another Example: Crystal reports was running from one server called YYY003. > I couldn't extract the report files to any of my login's network shares. > Couldn't they have easily introduced a permanent share on YYY003 to point to > a folder in one of the shares I could read/write to ? > This wasn't hard, correct ? > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 04:55:22 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:55:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile In-Reply-To: <4a4f68f7.0508d00a.6d9f.ffffd51e@mx.google.com> References: <57144ced0907040711i5813cc37i30edf0da819a58f3@mail.gmail.com> <4a4f68f7.0508d00a.6d9f.ffffd51e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907050255vfb22f83l842eaa85c76d7512@mail.gmail.com> It's a teeny bit more complicated than that, Max, but you set me to thinking. Here is my little test program and two functions, the first of which does it call by call and the second does it all in one line, using nested calls. Option Compare Database Option Explicit Sub Test() Dim x As String, y As String, z As String x = "123.456.789,12" Debug.Print x y = SwapComma(x) Debug.Print y z = SwapComma2(x) 'do it all in one call Debug.Print z End Sub Function SwapComma(x As String) x = Replace(x, ",", "%") Debug.Print x x = Replace(x, ".", ",") Debug.Print x x = Replace(x, "%", ".") Debug.Print x SwapComma = x End Function Function SwapComma2(x As String) ' not for the faint at heart SwapComma2 = Replace(Replace(Replace(x, ",", "%"), ".", ","), "%", ".") End Function Which solves the problem as posed, but makes no attempt to understand the wisdom behind Microsoft's lack of a universal representation. hth, Arthur From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 07:18:56 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:18:56 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907050255vfb22f83l842eaa85c76d7512@mail.gmail.com> References: <57144ced0907040711i5813cc37i30edf0da819a58f3@mail.gmail.com> <4a4f68f7.0508d00a.6d9f.ffffd51e@mx.google.com> <29f585dd0907050255vfb22f83l842eaa85c76d7512@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a509a34.0a1ad00a.3842.3a34@mx.google.com> Arthur: Yes, that was well thought through and certainly looks ok - not something I can test from here. I suppose if you knew that all your formulaes were definitely in the "2 decimal places" or in this case "2 comma places" then you could probably just do: X = replace(x,".",",") X = left(x, instrrev(x,",")-1) & "." & mid(x,instrrev(x,",")+1) But I like you solution better. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 05 July 2009 10:55 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile It's a teeny bit more complicated than that, Max, but you set me to thinking. Here is my little test program and two functions, the first of which does it call by call and the second does it all in one line, using nested calls. Option Compare Database Option Explicit Sub Test() Dim x As String, y As String, z As String x = "123.456.789,12" Debug.Print x y = SwapComma(x) Debug.Print y z = SwapComma2(x) 'do it all in one call Debug.Print z End Sub Function SwapComma(x As String) x = Replace(x, ",", "%") Debug.Print x x = Replace(x, ".", ",") Debug.Print x x = Replace(x, "%", ".") Debug.Print x SwapComma = x End Function Function SwapComma2(x As String) ' not for the faint at heart SwapComma2 = Replace(Replace(Replace(x, ",", "%"), ".", ","), "%", ".") End Function Which solves the problem as posed, but makes no attempt to understand the wisdom behind Microsoft's lack of a universal representation. hth, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 07:48:32 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:48:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report Designer Message-ID: <29f585dd0907050548s4e8732f0t1a0e2a9acf7107e5@mail.gmail.com> I cannot figure out how to drag columns to a new location in the report designer. Basically I want to drop a couple of columns in an existing report to the right and then insert a new column in the space, but the traditional Access technique don't appear to work. Anybody out there got experience with the report designer? TIA, Arthur From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 08:04:39 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:04:39 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907050255vfb22f83l842eaa85c76d7512@mail.gmail.com> References: <57144ced0907040711i5813cc37i30edf0da819a58f3@mail.gmail.com> <4a4f68f7.0508d00a.6d9f.ffffd51e@mx.google.com> <29f585dd0907050255vfb22f83l842eaa85c76d7512@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a50a4ea.1818d00a.17de.3d9c@mx.google.com> test Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 05 July 2009 10:55 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile It's a teeny bit more complicated than that, Max, but you set me to thinking. Here is my little test program and two functions, the first of which does it call by call and the second does it all in one line, using nested calls. Option Compare Database Option Explicit Sub Test() Dim x As String, y As String, z As String x = "123.456.789,12" Debug.Print x y = SwapComma(x) Debug.Print y z = SwapComma2(x) 'do it all in one call Debug.Print z End Sub Function SwapComma(x As String) x = Replace(x, ",", "%") Debug.Print x x = Replace(x, ".", ",") Debug.Print x x = Replace(x, "%", ".") Debug.Print x SwapComma = x End Function Function SwapComma2(x As String) ' not for the faint at heart SwapComma2 = Replace(Replace(Replace(x, ",", "%"), ".", ","), "%", ".") End Function Which solves the problem as posed, but makes no attempt to understand the wisdom behind Microsoft's lack of a universal representation. hth, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 10:25:38 2009 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:25:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report Designer In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907050548s4e8732f0t1a0e2a9acf7107e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0907050548s4e8732f0t1a0e2a9acf7107e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0907050825n72573fbudeb1bd0ac32d8cc1@mail.gmail.com> Hi Arthur: I just tried it and in my Access 2007, it works just the same as before - drag the fields around, or drag a new field from the field list. What exactly did you try and what happened? Doug Steele On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I cannot figure out how to drag columns to a new location in the report > designer. Basically I want to drop a couple of columns in an existing > report > to the right and then insert a new column in the space, but the traditional > Access technique don't appear to work. Anybody out there got experience > with > the report designer? > TIA, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 12:33:08 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:33:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report Designer In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0907050825n72573fbudeb1bd0ac32d8cc1@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0907050548s4e8732f0t1a0e2a9acf7107e5@mail.gmail.com> <4dd71a0c0907050825n72573fbudeb1bd0ac32d8cc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907051033g450d477ej4ce3c6b148834fce@mail.gmail.com> I tried both selecting a group and trying to drag the controls and then using ctrl+arrow and in both cases nothing happened. I'll reboot and give it another try. On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Doug Steele wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > I just tried it and in my Access 2007, it works just the same as before - > drag the fields around, or drag a new field from the field list. What > exactly did you try and what happened? > > Doug Steele > From miscellany at mvps.org Sun Jul 5 15:42:29 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 08:42:29 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report Designer In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907051033g450d477ej4ce3c6b148834fce@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0907050548s4e8732f0t1a0e2a9acf7107e5@mail.gmail.com><4dd71a0c0907050825n72573fbudeb1bd0ac32d8cc1@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0907051033g450d477ej4ce3c6b148834fce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C4B6DC10ADA443ABE654DD49436BD60@stevePC> Arthur, Ctrl+Arrow was I think up to Access 2000, and since then, just the arrow keys needed to move controls around in report and form design. But if you used the wizard to create your report, you might need to go to the Arrange tab on the report design ribbon, and click 'Remove' to un-group the controls. Either that, or look for the little 4-way arrow to the top left of the selected label to move the controls as a group. Hope that helps. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Fuller" Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 5:33 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Report Designer > I tried both selecting a group and trying to drag the controls and then > using ctrl+arrow and in both cases nothing happened. I'll reboot and give > it > another try. > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4219 (20090705) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jul 5 15:59:16 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:59:16 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile Message-ID: Hi Rocky (and Arthur and Max) It certainly does. You just have to write proper code that acknowledges and handles internationalization. One of the most stupid ways to violate this basic principle is to convert numbers to strings and then start manipulating these as if they still were numbers. The trap is that it may work in your environment while it is doomed to fail at once when moved to a foreign environment. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-07-2009 16:56 >>> I wonder why Windows is not taking care of the comma/period problem if you have the , as the decimal point in the regional setting? Can you modify the source of ashish formula to get the numbers into the formula correctly? Rocky From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 16:21:32 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:21:32 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a511962.1818d00a.7569.ffffa484@mx.google.com> Yes you are correct Gustav, buy you are addressing the underlying problem. I was merely addressing the immediate problem. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 05 July 2009 21:59 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile Hi Rocky (and Arthur and Max) It certainly does. You just have to write proper code that acknowledges and handles internationalization. One of the most stupid ways to violate this basic principle is to convert numbers to strings and then start manipulating these as if they still were numbers. The trap is that it may work in your environment while it is doomed to fail at once when moved to a foreign environment. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-07-2009 16:56 >>> I wonder why Windows is not taking care of the comma/period problem if you have the , as the decimal point in the regional setting? Can you modify the source of ashish formula to get the numbers into the formula correctly? Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jul 5 16:22:14 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:22:14 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile Message-ID: Hi Philippe This may be a bit more difficult than at first sight as there are many ways to perform this calculation. Below please find a function that allows you to retrieve a quartile by whatever method published. It uses DAO for maximum speed. /gustav Public Function GetQuartile( _ ByVal strTable As String, _ ByVal strField As String, _ ByVal bytQuartile As Byte, _ Optional ByVal bytMethod As Byte, _ Optional ByVal strFilter As String) _ As Double ' strTable : Name of the table/query to analyze. ' strField : Name of the field to analyze. ' bytQuartile: Which min/max or median/quartile to calculate. ' bytMethod: Method for calculation of lower/higher quartile. ' strFilter: Optional filter expression. ' ' Returns: ' Minimum, maximum, median or upper/lower quartile ' of strField of strTable filtered on strFilter. ' ' 2006-03-05. Cactus Data ApS, CPH. ' Reference for methods for calculation as explained here: ' http://www.daheiser.info/excel/notes/noteh.pdf ' Note: Table H-4, p. 4, has correct data for dataset 1-96 while ' datasets 1-100 to 1-97 actually are datasets 1-99 to 1-96 ' shifted one column left. ' Thus, the dataset 1-100 is missing. ' ' Method 3b is not implemented as no one seems to use it. ' Neither are no example data given. ' ' Further notes on methods here: ' http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/60969.html ' http://www.haiweb.org/medicineprices/manual/quartiles_iTSS.pdf ' ' Data must be in ascending order by strField. ' L: Q1, Lower quartile. ' H: Q3, Higher quartile. ' M: Q2, Median. ' n: Count of elements. ' p: Calculated position of quartile. ' j: Element of dataset. ' g: Decimal part of p ' to be used for interpolation between j and j+1. ' Basic operation. ' Constant values mimic those of Excel's Quartile() function. ' Find median. Const cbytQuartMedian As Byte = 2 ' Find lower (first) quartile. Const cbytQuartLow As Byte = 1 ' Find upper (third) quartile. Const cbytQuartHigh As Byte = 3 ' Find minimum value. Const cbytQuartMinimum As Byte = 0 ' Find maximum value. Const cbytQuartMaximum As Byte = 4 ' Define default operation. Const cbytQuartDefault = cbytQuartMedian ' Quartile calculation methods. ' Step. Mendenhall and Sincich method. ' SAS #3. ' Round up to actual element of dataset. ' L: -Int(-n/4) ' H: n-Int(-n/4) Const cbytMethodMendenhallSincich As Byte = 1 ' Average step. ' SAS #5, Minitab (%DESCRIBE), GLIM (percentile). ' Add bias of one or two on basis of n/4. ' L: (Int((n+1)/4)+Int(n/4))/2+1 ' H: n-(Int((n+1)/4)+Int(n/4))/2+1 Const cbytMethodAverage As Byte = 2 ' Nearest integer to np. ' SAS #2. ' Round to nearest integer on basis of n/4. ' L: Int((n+2)/4) ' H: n-Int((n+2)/4) ' Note: ' Reference contains an error in example data. ' Dataset 1-100 to 1-97 (is really 1-99 to 1-96!) should read: ' 25 25 24 24 Const cbytMethodNearestInteger As Byte = 3 ' Parzen method. ' Method 1 with interpolation. ' SAS #1. ' L: n/4 ' H: 3n/4 Const cbytMethodParzen As Byte = 4 ' Hazen method. ' Values midway between method 1 steps. ' GLIM (interpolate). ' Add bias of 2, don't round to actual element of dataset. ' L: (n+2)/4 ' H: 3(n+2)/4 Const cbytMethodHazen As Byte = 5 ' Weibull method. ' SAS #4. Minitab (DECRIBE), SPSS, BMDP. ' Add bias of 1, don't round to actual element of dataset. ' L: (n+1)/4 ' H: 3(n+1)/4 Const cbytMethodWeibull As Byte = 6 ' Freund, J. and Perles, B., Gumbell method. ' S-PLUS, R, Excel, Star Office Calc. ' Add bias of 3, don't round to actual element of dataset. ' L: (n+3)/4 ' H: (3n+1)/4 Const cbytMethodFreundPerles As Byte = 7 ' Median Position. ' Median unbiased. ' L: (3n+5)/12 ' H: (9n+7)/12 Const cbytMethodMedianPosition As Byte = 8 ' Bernard and Bos-Levenbach. ' L: (n/4)+0.4 ' H: (3n/4)/+0.6 ' Note: ' Reference claims L to be (n/4)+0.31. Const cbytMethodBernardLevenbach As Byte = 9 ' Blom's Plotting Position. ' Better approximation when the distribution is normal. ' L: (4n+7)/16 ' H: (12n+9)/16 Const cbytMethodBlom As Byte = 10 ' Moore's first method. ' Add bias of one half step. ' L: (n+0.5)/4 ' H: n-(n+0.5)/4 Const cbytMethodMoore1 As Byte = 11 ' Moore's second method. ' Add bias of one or two steps on basis of (n+1)/4. ' L: (Int((n+1)/4)+Int(n/4))/2+1 ' H: n-(Int((n+1)/4)+Int(n/4))/2+1 Const cbytMethodMoore2 As Byte = 12 ' John Tukey's method. ' Include median from odd dataset in dataset for quartile. ' L: (1-Int(-n/2))/2 ' H: n-(1-Int(-n/2))/2 Const cbytMethodTukey As Byte = 13 ' Moore and McCabe (M & M), variation of John Tukey's method. ' TI-83. ' Exclude median from odd dataset in dataset for quartile. ' L: (Int(n/2)+1)/2 ' H: n-(Int(n/2)+1)/2 Const cbytMethodTukeyMM As Byte = 14 ' Additional variations between Weibull's and Hazen's methods, from ' (i-0.000)/(n+1.00) ' to ' (i-0.500)/(n+0.00) ' ' Variation of Weibull. ' L: n(n/4-0)/(n+1) ' H: n(3n/4-0)/(n+1) Const cbytMethodModWeibull As Byte = 15 ' Variation of Blom. ' L: n(n/4-3/8)/(n+1/4) ' H: n(3n/4-3/8)/(n+1/4) Const cbytMethodModBlom As Byte = 16 ' Variation of Tukey. ' L: n(n/4-1/3)/(n+1/3) ' H: n(3n/4-1/3)/(n+1/3) Const cbytMethodModTukey As Byte = 17 ' Variation of Cunnane. ' L: n(n/4-2/5)/(n+1/5) ' H: n(3n/4-2/5)/(n+1/5) Const cbytMethodModCunnane As Byte = 18 ' Variation of Gringorten. ' L: n(n/4-0.44)/(n+0.12) ' H: n(3n/4-0.44)/(n+0.12) Const cbytMethodModGringorten As Byte = 19 ' Variation of Hazen. ' L: n(n/4-1/2)/n ' H: n(3n/4-1/2)/n Const cbytMethodModHazen As Byte = 20 ' Define default method to calculate quartiles. Const cbytMethodDefault = cbytMethodFreundPerles Static dbs As DAO.Database Static rst As DAO.Recordset Dim strSQL As String Dim lngNumber As Long Dim dblPosition As Double Dim lngPosition As Long Dim dblInterpol As Double Dim dblValueOne As Double Dim dblValueTwo As Double Dim dblQuartile As Double ' Use default calculation if choice of calculation is outside range. If bytQuartile > 4 Then bytQuartile = cbytQuartDefault End If ' Use default method if choice of method is outside range. If bytMethod = 0 Or bytMethod > 20 Then bytMethod = cbytMethodDefault End If If dbs Is Nothing Then Set dbs = CurrentDb() End If If Len(strTable) > 0 And Len(strField) > 0 Then strSQL = "SELECT [" & strField & "] FROM [" & strTable & "] " strSQL = strSQL & "WHERE ([" & strField & "] Is Not Null) " If Len(strFilter) > 0 Then strSQL = strSQL & "AND (" & strFilter & ") " End If strSQL = strSQL & "ORDER BY [" & strField & "];" Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQL) With rst If Not .EOF = True Then If bytQuartile = cbytQuartMinimum Then ' No need to count records. lngNumber = 1 Else ' Count records. .MoveLast lngNumber = .RecordCount End If Select Case bytQuartile Case cbytQuartMinimum ' Current record is first record. ' Read value of this record. Case cbytQuartMaximum ' Current record is last record. ' Read value of this record. Case cbytQuartMedian ' Locate position of median. dblPosition = (lngNumber + 1) / 2 Case cbytQuartLow Select Case bytMethod Case cbytMethodMendenhallSincich dblPosition = -Int(-lngNumber / 4) Case cbytMethodAverage dblPosition = (Int((lngNumber + 1) / 4) + Int(lngNumber / 4)) / 2 + 1 Case cbytMethodNearestInteger dblPosition = Int((lngNumber + 2) / 4) Case cbytMethodParzen dblPosition = lngNumber / 4 Case cbytMethodHazen dblPosition = (lngNumber + 2) / 4 Case cbytMethodWeibull dblPosition = (lngNumber + 1) / 4 Case cbytMethodFreundPerles dblPosition = (lngNumber + 3) / 4 Case cbytMethodMedianPosition dblPosition = (3 * lngNumber + 5) / 12 Case cbytMethodBernardLevenbach dblPosition = (lngNumber / 4) + 0.4 Case cbytMethodBlom dblPosition = (4 * lngNumber + 7) / 16 Case cbytMethodMoore1 dblPosition = (lngNumber + 0.5) / 4 Case cbytMethodMoore2 dblPosition = (Int((lngNumber + 1) / 4) + Int(lngNumber / 4)) / 2 + 1 Case cbytMethodTukey dblPosition = (1 - Int(-lngNumber / 2)) / 2 Case cbytMethodTukeyMM dblPosition = (Int(lngNumber / 2) + 1) / 2 Case cbytMethodModWeibull dblPosition = lngNumber * (lngNumber / 4) / (lngNumber + 1) Case cbytMethodModBlom dblPosition = lngNumber * (lngNumber / 4 - 3 / 8) / (lngNumber + 1 / 4) Case cbytMethodModTukey dblPosition = lngNumber * (lngNumber / 4 - 1 / 3) / (lngNumber + 1 / 3) Case cbytMethodModCunnane dblPosition = lngNumber * (lngNumber / 4 - 2 / 5) / (lngNumber + 1 / 5) Case cbytMethodModGringorten dblPosition = lngNumber * (lngNumber / 4 - 0.44) / (lngNumber + 0.12) Case cbytMethodModHazen dblPosition = lngNumber * (lngNumber / 4 - 1 / 2) / lngNumber End Select Case cbytQuartHigh Select Case bytMethod Case cbytMethodMendenhallSincich dblPosition = lngNumber - (-Int(-lngNumber / 4)) Case cbytMethodAverage dblPosition = lngNumber - (Int((lngNumber + 1) / 4) + Int(lngNumber / 4)) / 2 + 1 Case cbytMethodNearestInteger dblPosition = lngNumber - Int((lngNumber + 2) / 4) Case cbytMethodParzen dblPosition = 3 * lngNumber / 4 Case cbytMethodHazen dblPosition = 3 * (lngNumber + 2) / 4 Case cbytMethodWeibull dblPosition = 3 * (lngNumber + 1) / 4 Case cbytMethodFreundPerles dblPosition = (3 * lngNumber + 1) / 4 Case cbytMethodMedianPosition dblPosition = (9 * lngNumber + 7) / 12 Case cbytMethodBernardLevenbach dblPosition = (3 * lngNumber / 4) + 0.6 Case cbytMethodBlom dblPosition = (12 * lngNumber + 9) / 16 Case cbytMethodMoore1 dblPosition = lngNumber - (lngNumber + 0.5) / 4 Case cbytMethodMoore2 dblPosition = lngNumber - (Int((lngNumber + 1) / 4) + Int(lngNumber / 4)) / 2 + 1 Case cbytMethodTukey dblPosition = lngNumber - (1 - Int(-lngNumber / 2)) / 2 Case cbytMethodTukeyMM dblPosition = lngNumber - (Int(lngNumber / 2) + 1) / 2 Case cbytMethodModWeibull dblPosition = lngNumber * (3 * lngNumber / 4) / (lngNumber + 1) Case cbytMethodModBlom dblPosition = lngNumber * (3 * lngNumber / 4 - 3 / 8) / (lngNumber + 1 / 4) Case cbytMethodModTukey dblPosition = lngNumber * (3 * lngNumber / 4 - 1 / 3) / (lngNumber + 1 / 3) Case cbytMethodModCunnane dblPosition = lngNumber * (3 * lngNumber / 4 - 2 / 5) / (lngNumber + 1 / 5) Case cbytMethodModGringorten dblPosition = lngNumber * (3 * lngNumber / 4 - 0.44) / (lngNumber + 0.12) Case cbytMethodModHazen dblPosition = lngNumber * (3 * lngNumber / 4 - 1 / 2) / lngNumber End Select End Select Select Case bytQuartile Case cbytQuartMinimum, cbytQuartMaximum ' Read current row. Case Else .MoveFirst ' Find position of first observation to retrieve. ' If lngPosition is 0, then upper position is first record. ' If lngPosition is not 0 and position is not an integer, then ' read the next observation too. lngPosition = Fix(dblPosition) dblInterpol = dblPosition - lngPosition If lngNumber = 1 Then ' Nowhere else to move. If dblInterpol < 0 Then ' Prevent values to be created by extrapolation beyond zero from observation one ' for these methods: ' cbytMethodModBlom ' cbytMethodModTukey ' cbytMethodModCunnane ' cbytMethodModGringorten ' cbytMethodModHazen ' ' Comment this line out, if reading by extrapolation *is* requested. dblInterpol = 0 End If ElseIf lngPosition > 1 Then ' Move to record to read. .Move lngPosition - 1 End If End Select ' Retrieve value from first observation. dblValueOne = .Fields(0).Value Select Case bytQuartile Case cbytQuartMinimum, cbytQuartMaximum dblQuartile = dblValueOne Case Else If dblInterpol = 0 Then ' Only one observation to read. If lngPosition = 0 Then ' Return 0. Else dblQuartile = dblValueOne End If Else If lngPosition = 0 Then ' No first observation to retrieve. dblValueTwo = dblValueOne If dblValueOne > 0 Then ' Use 0 as other observation. dblValueOne = 0 Else dblValueOne = 2 * dblValueOne End If Else ' Move to next observation. .MoveNext ' Retrieve value from second observation. dblValueTwo = .Fields(0).Value End If ' For positive values interpolate between 0 and dblValueOne. ' For negative values interpolate between 2 * dblValueOne and dblValueOne. ' Calculate quartile using linear interpolation. dblQuartile = dblValueOne + dblInterpol * CDec(dblValueTwo - dblValueOne) End If End Select End If .Close End With Else ' Reset. Set rst = Nothing Set dbs = Nothing End If ''Set rst = Nothing GetQuartile = dblQuartile End Function >>> phpons at gmail.com 04-07-2009 16:11 >>> Hi all, I spend several days trying to calculate quartile in access. I don't want to use the quartile function from excel. I currently try using a formula I found from dev ashish site. Works well with English regional settings, but failed with my French regional settings: we have the bad habit of using a coma as decimal separator!, and this makes the function end up in error. I found there is a QUARTILE function from the MS Office Web Components function Library (MSOWCFLib) It's syntax is: Function QUARTILE(array As IXRangeEnum, quart As Double) I don't know how to pass a parameter of the IXRangeEnum type to this function. google was not my friend in this situation! Any idea to do that? Any better idea? TIA, Philippe -- From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Sun Jul 5 19:42:44 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:42:44 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Access I love it In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907030449l16467848t2a645cc1dd4341df@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4A1210.4080103@nanaimo.ark.com> <4A4B696E.60106@colbyconsulting.com> <4A4B744E.6030808@nanaimo.ark.com> <010c01c9fbc4$a79680b0$f6c38210$@spb.ru> <29f585dd0907030319p6b835483q1a336dee767761ad@mail.gmail.com> <4A4DEF37.4030102@colbyconsulting.com> <29f585dd0907030449l16467848t2a645cc1dd4341df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D078@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Yes... Whilst a database would be an optimal solution, this is very often the case. The client insists on an Excel solution - especially in the Finance world. Like I said earlier, I usually end up providing them with a hybrid solution, hopefully with the best of both worlds.... regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, 3 July 2009 9:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access I love it >>I understand that this is what you started with but that is not a reason per se to leave it that way. The simple reason I left it that way is because the employer insisted upon it. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. From marksimms at verizon.net Sun Jul 5 21:20:15 2009 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:20:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT - network shares question In-Reply-To: <4A4FDBF9.23762.F74C63C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <00f601c9fcd6$9181bed0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> <4A4FDBF9.23762.F74C63C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <004401c9fde0$4cf58430$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> Thanks much Stuart.... I see now that it was a matter of my AD id not having the proper authority. > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 6:47 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Slightly OT - network shares question > > It al depends on the "trust relationships" > You have no rights to do acces or use on a domain other than > the one you authenticate through unless the other domain has > been set up to "trust" your domain. > > Example 1: SQL Server access rights can eith be controlled > by Active Directory or by SQL Server Login authentication. > > Using AD, your domain credentials you gain access rights to > SQL Server based on what the SQL administator assignes and > rights to other domain resources that you have been granted > access to by the Domain Administrator. > > Using SQL Server login, you have whatever rights the SQL > administrator assigns to you > wihtin SQL Server. The SQL Server administrator can't gives > you rights to any other > domain resources - certainly not the right to read a > directory on a computer you don't have > the domain rights to access. > > Looks like Example 2 is the second scenario. > > > Second verse, same as the first, a little bit louder and a > little but worse > > Cheers, > Stuart > > On 4 Jul 2009 at 14:38, Mark Simms wrote: > > > Given a corporate Windows network environment that has multiple > > domains, if one assumed that the network was all connected thru > > routers, bridges, switches, etc (I'm no network engineer), > wouldn't be > > a very simple task to make a share to connect one domain's > server's folder to another ? > > > > One Example: I was working with SQL Server on a server > called XXX001 > > and it was addressable from my login domain. > > However, I could not BCP or even do an xp_cmdshell "DIR" to > any of the > > network shares that were made available to me. > > I always got "access denied" from SQL Server. > > Was this a network issue or a SQL Server role/rights issue ? > > > > Another Example: Crystal reports was running from one > server called YYY003. > > I couldn't extract the report files to any of my login's > network shares. > > Couldn't they have easily introduced a permanent share on YYY003 to > > point to a folder in one of the shares I could read/write to ? > > This wasn't hard, correct ? > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jul 6 10:29:52 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:29:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] test Message-ID: <4A521870.3020006@colbyconsulting.com> Pretty quiet -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From edzedz at comcast.net Mon Jul 6 11:45:12 2009 From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:45:12 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: <4A521870.3020006@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000801c9fe59$22417770$5bdea8c0@edz1> Don't wake them up. . . . -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:30 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] test Pretty quiet -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jul 6 13:57:20 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:57:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: <000801c9fe59$22417770$5bdea8c0@edz1> References: <000801c9fe59$22417770$5bdea8c0@edz1> Message-ID: <4A524910.8060204@colbyconsulting.com> Let sleeping developers lie eh? ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Edward Zuris wrote: > Don't wake them up. . . . > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:30 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] test > > > Pretty quiet > From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Mon Jul 6 18:21:08 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:21:08 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: <4A524910.8060204@colbyconsulting.com> References: <000801c9fe59$22417770$5bdea8c0@edz1> <4A524910.8060204@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D082@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> or maybe I start something like... "I have noticed that using Unbound Controls in Access 2007 is far superior to earlier versions, especially as you can drop them in directly from the ribbon. Most useful" - don't you agree? ;). That should wake a few of them up.... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2009 4:57 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] test Let sleeping developers lie eh? ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Edward Zuris wrote: > Don't wake them up. . . . > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:30 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] test > > > Pretty quiet > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jul 6 20:25:23 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:25:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D082@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <000801c9fe59$22417770$5bdea8c0@edz1> <4A524910.8060204@colbyconsulting.com> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D082@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <4A52A403.1080808@colbyconsulting.com> Oh yea!!! Something like "Access 2007 is superior to anything before because it doesn't allow surrogate keys"... John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Darryl Collins wrote: > or maybe I start something like... "I have noticed that using Unbound Controls in Access 2007 is far superior to earlier versions, especially as you can drop them in directly from the ribbon. Most useful" - don't you agree? ;). > > That should wake a few of them up.... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2009 4:57 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test > > Let sleeping developers lie eh? > > ;) > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Edward Zuris wrote: >> Don't wake them up. . . . >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:30 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] test >> >> >> Pretty quiet >> From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Tue Jul 7 11:03:17 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:03:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: <4A52A403.1080808@colbyconsulting.com> References: <000801c9fe59$22417770$5bdea8c0@edz1> <4A524910.8060204@colbyconsulting.com><57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D082@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4A52A403.1080808@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I have an unbound form, where the primary key of the table being used is a surrogate key/lookup field. And for some reason, I can't get the following code to work: Dim x As New ADODB.Recordset StartOfCode: Z=45.6 Dim h as String H=12 Goto StartOfCode Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:25 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] test Oh yea!!! Something like "Access 2007 is superior to anything before because it doesn't allow surrogate keys"... John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Darryl Collins wrote: > or maybe I start something like... "I have noticed that using Unbound Controls in Access 2007 is far superior to earlier versions, especially as you can drop them in directly from the ribbon. Most useful" - don't you agree? ;). > > That should wake a few of them up.... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2009 4:57 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test > > Let sleeping developers lie eh? > > ;) > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Edward Zuris wrote: >> Don't wake them up. . . . >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:30 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] test >> >> >> Pretty quiet >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 11:13:24 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:13:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] test References: <000801c9fe59$22417770$5bdea8c0@edz1> <4A524910.8060204@colbyconsulting.com><57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D082@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au><4A52A403.1080808@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5F5DB199C2FC42D9B303AB96191E51E5@SusanOne> That's just sick! ;) Susan H. >I have an unbound form, where the primary key of the table being used is > a surrogate key/lookup field. And for some reason, I can't get the > following code to work: > > Dim x As New ADODB.Recordset > StartOfCode: > Z=45.6 > Dim h as String > H=12 > Goto StartOfCode > > > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:25 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test > > Oh yea!!! Something like "Access 2007 is superior to anything before > because it doesn't allow > surrogate keys"... > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Darryl Collins wrote: >> or maybe I start something like... "I have noticed that using Unbound > Controls in Access 2007 is far superior to earlier versions, especially > as you can drop them in directly from the ribbon. Most useful" - don't > you agree? ;). >> >> That should wake a few of them up.... >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2009 4:57 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] test >> >> Let sleeping developers lie eh? >> >> ;) >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Edward Zuris wrote: >>> Don't wake them up. . . . >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:30 AM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: [AccessD] test >>> >>> >>> Pretty quiet >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI > Business > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic > or hard copy. > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, > dissemination, > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information > by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Tue Jul 7 11:18:31 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:18:31 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: <5F5DB199C2FC42D9B303AB96191E51E5@SusanOne> References: <000801c9fe59$22417770$5bdea8c0@edz1> <4A524910.8060204@colbyconsulting.com><57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D082@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au><4A52A403.1080808@colbyconsulting.com> <5F5DB199C2FC42D9B303AB96191E51E5@SusanOne> Message-ID: LOL! Whoops, I missed a line: > Dim x As New ADODB.Recordset > StartOfCode: > Z=45.6 > Dim h as String Exit function > H=12 > Goto StartOfCode LOL Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:13 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] test That's just sick! ;) Susan H. >I have an unbound form, where the primary key of the table being used is > a surrogate key/lookup field. And for some reason, I can't get the > following code to work: > > Dim x As New ADODB.Recordset > StartOfCode: > Z=45.6 > Dim h as String > H=12 > Goto StartOfCode > > > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:25 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test > > Oh yea!!! Something like "Access 2007 is superior to anything before > because it doesn't allow > surrogate keys"... > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 7 11:31:40 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:31:40 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Stuart's Zip program Message-ID: <4A53786C.3030305@colbyconsulting.com> Stuart, I just wanted you to know that I am using it and it functions beautifully! How cool to just use built-in Windows stuff. Thanks for building that! -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 11:52:44 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:52:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: References: <000801c9fe59$22417770$5bdea8c0@edz1> <4A524910.8060204@colbyconsulting.com> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D082@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4A52A403.1080808@colbyconsulting.com> <5F5DB199C2FC42D9B303AB96191E51E5@SusanOne> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907070952v423194dx1f06a5a39c0cf3bd@mail.gmail.com> Reminds me of a menu in a program a buddy of mine wrote: 1. Do Task 1 2. Do Task 2 3. Do Nothing A. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Drew Wutka wrote: > LOL! > > Whoops, I missed a line: > > > Dim x As New ADODB.Recordset > > StartOfCode: > > Z=45.6 > > Dim h as String > Exit function > > H=12 > > Goto StartOfCode > > LOL > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jul 7 12:14:10 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:14:10 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] test Message-ID: Hi Drew The reason for your trouble is that you forgot to dim Z as Double. Susan missed that, she believes you are joking (I think) or having an XML source file which you, of course, shouldn't. /gustav >>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 07-07-2009 18:18 >>> LOL! Whoops, I missed a line: > Dim x As New ADODB.Recordset > StartOfCode: > Z=45.6 > Dim h as String Exit function > H=12 > Goto StartOfCode LOL Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:13 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] test That's just sick! ;) Susan H. >I have an unbound form, where the primary key of the table being used is > a surrogate key/lookup field. And for some reason, I can't get the > following code to work: > > Dim x As New ADODB.Recordset > StartOfCode: > Z=45.6 > Dim h as String > H=12 > Goto StartOfCode > > > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:25 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test > > Oh yea!!! Something like "Access 2007 is superior to anything before > because it doesn't allow > surrogate keys"... > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Jul 7 12:34:56 2009 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:34:56 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] test References: Message-ID: <185E591DB4134EF28165C3C88AC91303@s1800> no, Gustav, Z as Single would do it also, but the real problem is the unbound form in connection with a surrogat key. BTW, Drew, what are you testing? IQ or responstime? Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] test > Hi Drew > > The reason for your trouble is that you forgot to dim Z as Double. > Susan missed that, she believes you are joking (I think) or having an XML > source file which you, of course, shouldn't. > > /gustav > > >>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 07-07-2009 18:18 >>> > LOL! > > Whoops, I missed a line: > >> Dim x As New ADODB.Recordset >> StartOfCode: >> Z=45.6 >> Dim h as String > Exit function >> H=12 >> Goto StartOfCode > > LOL > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:13 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test > > That's just sick! ;) > > Susan H. > > >>I have an unbound form, where the primary key of the table being used is >> a surrogate key/lookup field. And for some reason, I can't get the >> following code to work: >> >> Dim x As New ADODB.Recordset >> StartOfCode: >> Z=45.6 >> Dim h as String >> H=12 >> Goto StartOfCode >> >> >> >> Drew >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:25 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] test >> >> Oh yea!!! Something like "Access 2007 is superior to anything before >> because it doesn't allow >> surrogate keys"... >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 13:05:09 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:05:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] test References: <185E591DB4134EF28165C3C88AC91303@s1800> Message-ID: <6050265D90EF4B5D8ADD19E738BAA6E4@SusanOne> >> The reason for your trouble is that you forgot to dim Z as Double. >> Susan missed that, she believes you are joking (I think) or having an XML >> source file which you, of course, shouldn't. >> >> /gustav =======I missed a double... um... not likely. :) Of course, it depends on what he's serving. :) Susan H. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Tue Jul 7 15:46:23 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:46:23 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: LOL, only if I have option explicit..... ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:14 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] test Hi Drew The reason for your trouble is that you forgot to dim Z as Double. Susan missed that, she believes you are joking (I think) or having an XML source file which you, of course, shouldn't. /gustav >>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 07-07-2009 18:18 >>> LOL! Whoops, I missed a line: > Dim x As New ADODB.Recordset > StartOfCode: > Z=45.6 > Dim h as String Exit function > H=12 > Goto StartOfCode LOL Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:13 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] test That's just sick! ;) Susan H. >I have an unbound form, where the primary key of the table being used is > a surrogate key/lookup field. And for some reason, I can't get the > following code to work: > > Dim x As New ADODB.Recordset > StartOfCode: > Z=45.6 > Dim h as String > H=12 > Goto StartOfCode > > > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:25 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test > > Oh yea!!! Something like "Access 2007 is superior to anything before > because it doesn't allow > surrogate keys"... > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Jul 7 15:46:37 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:46:37 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: References: <000801c9fe59$22417770$5bdea8c0@edz1>, <5F5DB199C2FC42D9B303AB96191E51E5@SusanOne>, Message-ID: <4A53B42D.7647.1E7953BA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> NO! Dim h as String is BAD! You should never use explicitly typed variables - it causes error messages to popup all the time. If we were meant to type variables, they wouldn't have created VARIANTS!! -- Stuart On 7 Jul 2009 at 11:18, Drew Wutka wrote: > > Dim x As New ADODB.Recordset > > StartOfCode: > > Z=45.6 > > Dim h as String > Exit function > > H=12 > > Goto StartOfCode > From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Tue Jul 7 15:46:57 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:46:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] test In-Reply-To: <185E591DB4134EF28165C3C88AC91303@s1800> References: <185E591DB4134EF28165C3C88AC91303@s1800> Message-ID: LOL, or currency...I use currency more often then double or single. I'm testing both...so far so good! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:35 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] test no, Gustav, Z as Single would do it also, but the real problem is the unbound form in connection with a surrogat key. BTW, Drew, what are you testing? IQ or responstime? Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] test > Hi Drew > > The reason for your trouble is that you forgot to dim Z as Double. > Susan missed that, she believes you are joking (I think) or having an XML > source file which you, of course, shouldn't. > > /gustav > > >>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 07-07-2009 18:18 >>> > LOL! > > Whoops, I missed a line: > >> Dim x As New ADODB.Recordset >> StartOfCode: >> Z=45.6 >> Dim h as String > Exit function >> H=12 >> Goto StartOfCode > > LOL > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:13 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] test > > That's just sick! ;) > > Susan H. > > >>I have an unbound form, where the primary key of the table being used is >> a surrogate key/lookup field. And for some reason, I can't get the >> following code to work: >> >> Dim x As New ADODB.Recordset >> StartOfCode: >> Z=45.6 >> Dim h as String >> H=12 >> Goto StartOfCode >> >> >> >> Drew >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:25 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] test >> >> Oh yea!!! Something like "Access 2007 is superior to anything before >> because it doesn't allow >> surrogate keys"... >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 7 16:53:50 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:53:50 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: test In-Reply-To: <4A53B42D.7647.1E7953BA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000801c9fe59$22417770$5bdea8c0@edz1>, <5F5DB199C2FC42D9B303AB96191E51E5@SusanOne>, <4A53B42D.7647.1E7953BA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4A53C3EE.5020500@colbyconsulting.com> And don't forget to make every variable global so that you can get at anything from anywhere. 8) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Stuart McLachlan wrote: > NO! Dim h as String is BAD! > > You should never use explicitly typed variables - it causes error messages to popup all the > time. If we were meant to type variables, they wouldn't have created VARIANTS!! > From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com Tue Jul 7 19:20:50 2009 From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT]) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:20:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Export code to a text file Message-ID: <59F4C79E0A20B74990A3775EF2388A894233F39684@PDAWM03C.ad.sprint.com> Is there a spiffy way to export all the code in an mdb (including that contained in forms and reports) to a text file? I guess I could open each module and copy paste it, but that's a lot of work that I'd like to avoid. Perhaps somebody has a coded solution? Or a better idea? Thanks! Don McGillivray This e-mail may contain Sprint Nextel Company proprietary information intended for the sole use of the recipient(s). Any use by others is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies of the message. From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Tue Jul 7 19:35:25 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:35:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Export code to a text file References: <59F4C79E0A20B74990A3775EF2388A894233F39684@PDAWM03C.ad.sprint.com> Message-ID: <9FEDB5997A3841538AA5CE5F272AB5FB@Mattys> For Each Object Application.SaveAsText Next See HIDDEN member under Application in Object Browser Used to be on www.mvps.org/access, but I can't find it. - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "McGillivray, Don [IT]" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: [AccessD] Export code to a text file > Is there a spiffy way to export all the code in an mdb (including that > contained in forms and reports) to a text file? I guess I could open each > module and copy paste it, but that's a lot of work that I'd like to avoid. > Perhaps somebody has a coded solution? Or a better idea? > > Thanks! > > Don McGillivray > > This e-mail may contain Sprint Nextel Company proprietary information > intended for the sole use of the recipient(s). Any use by others is > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the > sender and delete all copies of the message. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com Tue Jul 7 19:42:17 2009 From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT]) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:42:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Export code to a text file In-Reply-To: <9FEDB5997A3841538AA5CE5F272AB5FB@Mattys> References: <59F4C79E0A20B74990A3775EF2388A894233F39684@PDAWM03C.ad.sprint.com> <9FEDB5997A3841538AA5CE5F272AB5FB@Mattys> Message-ID: <59F4C79E0A20B74990A3775EF2388A894233F3968D@PDAWM03C.ad.sprint.com> Very cool. I'll give it a try. Thanks! Don -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:35 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export code to a text file For Each Object Application.SaveAsText Next See HIDDEN member under Application in Object Browser Used to be on www.mvps.org/access, but I can't find it. - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "McGillivray, Don [IT]" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: [AccessD] Export code to a text file > Is there a spiffy way to export all the code in an mdb (including that > contained in forms and reports) to a text file? I guess I could open each > module and copy paste it, but that's a lot of work that I'd like to avoid. > Perhaps somebody has a coded solution? Or a better idea? > > Thanks! > > Don McGillivray > > This e-mail may contain Sprint Nextel Company proprietary information > intended for the sole use of the recipient(s). Any use by others is > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the > sender and delete all copies of the message. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This e-mail may contain Sprint Nextel Company proprietary information intended for the sole use of the recipient(s). Any use by others is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies of the message. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 02:35:58 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:35:58 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: test In-Reply-To: <4A53C3EE.5020500@colbyconsulting.com> References: <000801c9fe59$22417770$5bdea8c0@edz1> <5F5DB199C2FC42D9B303AB96191E51E5@SusanOne> <4A53B42D.7647.1E7953BA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4A53C3EE.5020500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: That is very bad practice...far better to ban variables altogether and use lookup tables to store/retrieve values, Max On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM, jwcolby wrote: > And don't forget to make every variable global so that you can get at > anything from anywhere. > > 8) > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > NO! Dim h as String is BAD! > > > > You should never use explicitly typed variables - it causes error > messages to popup all the > > time. If we were meant to type variables, they wouldn't have created > VARIANTS!! > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 8 07:07:10 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:07:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: test In-Reply-To: References: <000801c9fe59$22417770$5bdea8c0@edz1> <5F5DB199C2FC42D9B303AB96191E51E5@SusanOne> <4A53B42D.7647.1E7953BA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4A53C3EE.5020500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A548BEE.2080104@colbyconsulting.com> No, If I am going to do that I store every variable in the registry. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > That is very bad practice...far better to ban variables altogether and use > lookup tables to store/retrieve values, > > Max > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM, jwcolby wrote: > >> And don't forget to make every variable global so that you can get at >> anything from anywhere. >> >> 8) >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Stuart McLachlan wrote: >>> NO! Dim h as String is BAD! >>> >>> You should never use explicitly typed variables - it causes error >> messages to popup all the >>> time. If we were meant to type variables, they wouldn't have created >> VARIANTS!! >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 07:28:18 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:28:18 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: test In-Reply-To: <4A548BEE.2080104@colbyconsulting.com> References: <000801c9fe59$22417770$5bdea8c0@edz1> <5F5DB199C2FC42D9B303AB96191E51E5@SusanOne> <4A53B42D.7647.1E7953BA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4A53C3EE.5020500@colbyconsulting.com> <4A548BEE.2080104@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: no, if you are going to use the Registry, best practice says that you have to use it for everything - which means no tables, no variables, no constants, no coding, no errors, no nothing.. Guess I am outta work now... max ps. We were talking about Best Practices, weren't we... On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:07 PM, jwcolby wrote: > No, If I am going to do that I store every variable in the registry. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: > > That is very bad practice...far better to ban variables altogether and > use > > lookup tables to store/retrieve values, > > > > Max > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM, jwcolby >wrote: > > > >> And don't forget to make every variable global so that you can get at > >> anything from anywhere. > >> > >> 8) > >> > >> John W. Colby > >> www.ColbyConsulting.com > >> > >> > >> Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >>> NO! Dim h as String is BAD! > >>> > >>> You should never use explicitly typed variables - it causes error > >> messages to popup all the > >>> time. If we were meant to type variables, they wouldn't have created > >> VARIANTS!! > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 07:32:30 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:32:30 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Early Message-ID: Bit eary, but thought you might enjoy this while you work.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1187338/Off-wall-The-astonishing-3D-murals-painted-sides-buildings-trompe-loeil-artist.html max From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Jul 8 08:11:11 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:11:11 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Early In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11EB074119014233843DA7537869D2F9@XPS> Those are brilliant and absolutely down right cool! Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:33 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OT: Early Bit eary, but thought you might enjoy this while you work.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1187338/Off-wall-The-aston ishing-3D-murals-painted-sides-buildings-trompe-loeil-artist.html max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 08:11:42 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:11:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Early In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29f585dd0907080611r1e8347ecub5ebd8b42ee4ea74@mail.gmail.com> Wow! On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Bit eary, but thought you might enjoy this while you work.. > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1187338/Off-wall-The-astonishing-3D-murals-painted-sides-buildings-trompe-loeil-artist.html > > max > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 8 08:25:31 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:25:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Early In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907080611r1e8347ecub5ebd8b42ee4ea74@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0907080611r1e8347ecub5ebd8b42ee4ea74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A549E4B.6030208@colbyconsulting.com> What appears to be his web site... http://www.illusion-art.com/ John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Arthur Fuller wrote: > Wow! > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > >> Bit eary, but thought you might enjoy this while you work.. >> >> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1187338/Off-wall-The-astonishing-3D-murals-painted-sides-buildings-trompe-loeil-artist.html >> >> max >> From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 08:31:51 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:31:51 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Early In-Reply-To: <4A549E4B.6030208@colbyconsulting.com> References: <29f585dd0907080611r1e8347ecub5ebd8b42ee4ea74@mail.gmail.com> <4A549E4B.6030208@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I find my code has a similar WOW factor! Normally followed by ..."...is that it?" and a lifting of the nostrils. Max On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 2:25 PM, jwcolby wrote: > What appears to be his web site... > > http://www.illusion-art.com/ > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Wow! > > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Max Wanadoo > wrote: > > > >> Bit eary, but thought you might enjoy this while you work.. > >> > >> > >> > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1187338/Off-wall-The-astonishing-3D-murals-painted-sides-buildings-trompe-loeil-artist.html > >> > >> max > >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 8 08:38:53 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:38:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Early In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0907080611r1e8347ecub5ebd8b42ee4ea74@mail.gmail.com> <4A549E4B.6030208@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A54A16D.108@colbyconsulting.com> ROTFL. "Is THAT where the smell is coming from..." John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > I find my code has a similar WOW factor! > > Normally followed by ..."...is that it?" and a lifting of the nostrils. > > Max > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 2:25 PM, jwcolby wrote: > >> What appears to be his web site... >> >> http://www.illusion-art.com/ >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Arthur Fuller wrote: >>> Wow! >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Max Wanadoo >> wrote: >>>> Bit eary, but thought you might enjoy this while you work.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1187338/Off-wall-The-astonishing-3D-murals-painted-sides-buildings-trompe-loeil-artist.html >>>> max >>>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 08:51:12 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:51:12 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? Message-ID: There is a new OS being launched. Don't yet know if it will support Access but there may be an opening here for some gifted talent from this List....leaves me out by definition http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=20815&tag=nl.e589 Max From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 09:00:25 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:00:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? References: Message-ID: <673CBB7396484214A26B21EF660F0F82@SusanOne> Well, if I'm reading it right -- if the Access application is a web-based application, it should. I've been comparing netbooks to iPhone... amazing stuff. I want more toys! ;) Susan H. > Don't yet know if it will support Access but there From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jul 8 09:00:40 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:00:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Early In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51B06B87AA2C416886C6974731BE60B8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Stunning... Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:33 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OT: Early Bit eary, but thought you might enjoy this while you work.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1187338/Off-wall-The-aston ishing-3D-murals-painted-sides-buildings-trompe-loeil-artist.html max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jul 8 09:08:35 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:08:35 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A16FA8D7494B13A46AA8E6D02223FE@creativesystemdesigns.com> What an explosion that will cause... but there is plenty of room for both or should I say all. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:51 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? There is a new OS being launched. Don't yet know if it will support Access but there may be an opening here for some gifted talent from this List....leaves me out by definition http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=20815&tag=nl.e589 Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 09:29:26 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:29:26 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? In-Reply-To: <673CBB7396484214A26B21EF660F0F82@SusanOne> References: <673CBB7396484214A26B21EF660F0F82@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4a54ad4a.1c05d00a.0cd5.ffffbaa0@mx.google.com> Ha! No chance! These are boyz toyz....go back to your dolls babe! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 08 July 2009 15:00 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? Well, if I'm reading it right -- if the Access application is a web-based application, it should. I've been comparing netbooks to iPhone... amazing stuff. I want more toys! ;) Susan H. > Don't yet know if it will support Access but there -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 09:35:12 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:35:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? References: <673CBB7396484214A26B21EF660F0F82@SusanOne> <4a54ad4a.1c05d00a.0cd5.ffffbaa0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3186CF7C51814F638C0783A6A45F4BD5@SusanOne> > Ha! No chance! These are boyz toyz....go back to your dolls babe! ======They're no good anymore, heads are all disconnected from their odies -- wanna guess how that happened?????? Susan H. From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Wed Jul 8 09:47:17 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:47:17 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? In-Reply-To: <673CBB7396484214A26B21EF660F0F82@SusanOne> References: <673CBB7396484214A26B21EF660F0F82@SusanOne> Message-ID: The netbooks are a little large to hold up to your ear for any length of time. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:00 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? Well, if I'm reading it right -- if the Access application is a web-based application, it should. I've been comparing netbooks to iPhone... amazing stuff. I want more toys! ;) Susan H. > Don't yet know if it will support Access but there -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Wed Jul 8 09:48:06 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:48:06 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? In-Reply-To: <4a54ad4a.1c05d00a.0cd5.ffffbaa0@mx.google.com> References: <673CBB7396484214A26B21EF660F0F82@SusanOne> <4a54ad4a.1c05d00a.0cd5.ffffbaa0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Looking for a fight already, Max? Remember the maypole ... Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:29 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? Ha! No chance! These are boyz toyz....go back to your dolls babe! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 08 July 2009 15:00 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? Well, if I'm reading it right -- if the Access application is a web-based application, it should. I've been comparing netbooks to iPhone... amazing stuff. I want more toys! ;) Susan H. > Don't yet know if it will support Access but there -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 09:52:09 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:52:09 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? In-Reply-To: <3186CF7C51814F638C0783A6A45F4BD5@SusanOne> References: <673CBB7396484214A26B21EF660F0F82@SusanOne> <4a54ad4a.1c05d00a.0cd5.ffffbaa0@mx.google.com> <3186CF7C51814F638C0783A6A45F4BD5@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4a54b29c.0506d00a.1ff2.2f47@mx.google.com> Did you put them on the bedposts so that they could turn in unison with yours? Just asking.... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 08 July 2009 15:35 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? > Ha! No chance! These are boyz toyz....go back to your dolls babe! ======They're no good anymore, heads are all disconnected from their odies -- wanna guess how that happened?????? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 10:00:10 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:00:10 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab with summary query Message-ID: <39cb22f30907080800i5e96b7a4t265e5fe901b9a271@mail.gmail.com> Dear Group, I have a feeling that I'm missing something with respect to making a crosstab query with a summary. My client has data entered chronologically. There's a ProductID and an amount column as well as the date. What he wants is a report showing each product in its own row with a year's worth of data summarized into 12 monthly columns. So I'm trying to figure out a way to summarize the chronological data by month and then convert it to a crosstab...or however that can work. Do I need to make 12 summary queries to summarize sales for each product for each month before I gather all those intermediate results together into the 12-month crosstab? Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 10:05:21 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:05:21 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? In-Reply-To: References: <673CBB7396484214A26B21EF660F0F82@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4a54b5b4.0a1ad00a.79fe.ffffedd2@mx.google.com> Yeah, and the soundz are far too loud as well, eh? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 08 July 2009 15:47 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? The netbooks are a little large to hold up to your ear for any length of time. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:00 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? Well, if I'm reading it right -- if the Access application is a web-based application, it should. I've been comparing netbooks to iPhone... amazing stuff. I want more toys! ;) Susan H. > Don't yet know if it will support Access but there -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 10:07:51 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:07:51 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? In-Reply-To: References: <673CBB7396484214A26B21EF660F0F82@SusanOne> <4a54ad4a.1c05d00a.0cd5.ffffbaa0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a54b64c.0707d00a.1508.ffffc4f8@mx.google.com> Well maypoles aren't too bad. Here is one of me in my Sunday Best dancing round one... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 08 July 2009 15:48 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? Looking for a fight already, Max? Remember the maypole ... Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:29 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? Ha! No chance! These are boyz toyz....go back to your dolls babe! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 08 July 2009 15:00 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? Well, if I'm reading it right -- if the Access application is a web-based application, it should. I've been comparing netbooks to iPhone... amazing stuff. I want more toys! ;) Susan H. > Don't yet know if it will support Access but there -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 10:10:42 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:10:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? References: <673CBB7396484214A26B21EF660F0F82@SusanOne> Message-ID: <666404E4003A4C5D8A276CF0919966B0@SusanOne> Wise guy. :) Seriously -- the iPhones can do quite a bit -- tons of apps with specialized tasks -- did you know you can run a PowerPoint presentation from an iPhone, from across the room? Susan H. > The netbooks are a little large to hold up to your ear for any length of > time. From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 10:13:02 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:13:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? References: <673CBB7396484214A26B21EF660F0F82@SusanOne> <4a54ad4a.1c05d00a.0cd5.ffffbaa0@mx.google.com><3186CF7C51814F638C0783A6A45F4BD5@SusanOne> <4a54b29c.0506d00a.1ff2.2f47@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I impaled them on stakes -- they're right outside your door. ;) Okay, I'm done -- Max, we will get in real trouble if we continue this. I promise not to encourage Max any further. :) Susan H. > Did you put them on the bedposts so that they could turn in unison with > yours? > > Just asking.... > > Max > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 10:22:08 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:22:08 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab with summary query References: <39cb22f30907080800i5e96b7a4t265e5fe901b9a271@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Have you tried this: Add a Month() function to the query and then run a Totals on the month -- off the top of my head. Susan H. > Do I need to make 12 summary queries to summarize sales for each product > for > each month before I gather all those intermediate results together into > the > 12-month crosstab? From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Wed Jul 8 10:20:15 2009 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:20:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Early References: Message-ID: Thanks for that Max, home ill today and they are just amazing, a little lift me up. Ed ________________________________ From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wed 7/8/2009 8:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OT: Early Bit eary, but thought you might enjoy this while you work.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1187338/Off-wall-The-astonishing-3D-murals-painted-sides-buildings-trompe-loeil-artist.html max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 10:30:24 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:30:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Early References: Message-ID: Ed! I hope it's nothing serious and you recover quickly! Susan H. > Ed From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 10:37:31 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:37:31 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab with summary query In-Reply-To: References: <39cb22f30907080800i5e96b7a4t265e5fe901b9a271@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30907080837x458b312fh87c81cd92884f594@mail.gmail.com> Susan, Hey, I think that'll work! I knew I had to be missing something simple. Thank you. Steve Erbach On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Have you tried this: Add a Month() function to the query and then run a > Totals on the month -- off the top of my head. > > Susan H. > > > > Do I need to make 12 summary queries to summarize sales for each product > > for > > each month before I gather all those intermediate results together into > > the > > 12-month crosstab? > From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Jul 8 11:05:40 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:05:40 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HIGHLY doubtful....given that Microsoft owns office and this is the competition. Plus, if you read your EULA, you'll find already that Microsoft only allows Office to run on Windows. The VFP guys were really up in arms a few years back because a lot of them were running VFP on Linux under WINE, Microsoft found about it and pointed out that it was illegal because of the EULA. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:51 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? There is a new OS being launched. Don't yet know if it will support Access but there may be an opening here for some gifted talent from this List....leaves me out by definition http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=20815&tag=nl.e589 Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Wed Jul 8 11:57:08 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:57:08 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? In-Reply-To: <666404E4003A4C5D8A276CF0919966B0@SusanOne> References: <673CBB7396484214A26B21EF660F0F82@SusanOne> <666404E4003A4C5D8A276CF0919966B0@SusanOne> Message-ID: I prefer to be across the room from an iPhone, thanks. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:11 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? Wise guy. :) Seriously -- the iPhones can do quite a bit -- tons of apps with specialized tasks -- did you know you can run a PowerPoint presentation from an iPhone, from across the room? Susan H. > The netbooks are a little large to hold up to your ear for any length > of time. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Wed Jul 8 13:58:35 2009 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:58:35 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Extraordinary man - Was: RE: OT: Early In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005901c9fffe$199597e0$4cc0c7a0$@spb.ru> Hi Max, Thank you for the link - from that one you gave I have got to this one: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1196755/The-astonishing-st ory-man-born-arms-legs--world-famous-swimmer-surfer-footballer.html "The astonishing story of the man born without arms or legs... who became a world famous swimmer, surfer and footballer" This man, Nick Vujicic, is saying: 'If I can encourage just one person then my job in this life is done.' He is am extraordinary man. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 4:33 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OT: Early Bit eary, but thought you might enjoy this while you work.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1187338/Off-wall-The-aston ishing-3D-murals-painted-sides-buildings-trompe-loeil-artist.html max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4224 (20090708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4224 (20090708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 14:57:19 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:57:19 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] backup when closing Message-ID: <9F09290FB7AA41F797F8CA54B5A21CFD@SusanOne> Do any of you create a backup of a database when the database closes? Susan H. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 14:58:04 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:58:04 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Extraordinary man - Was: RE: OT: Early In-Reply-To: <005901c9fffe$199597e0$4cc0c7a0$@spb.ru> References: <005901c9fffe$199597e0$4cc0c7a0$@spb.ru> Message-ID: <4a54fa50.0707d00a.1501.ffffff22@mx.google.com> Yes, i have seen that before .... amazing person...truly amazing Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 08 July 2009 19:59 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: Extraordinary man - Was: RE: OT: Early Hi Max, Thank you for the link - from that one you gave I have got to this one: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1196755/The-astonishing-st ory-man-born-arms-legs--world-famous-swimmer-surfer-footballer.html "The astonishing story of the man born without arms or legs... who became a world famous swimmer, surfer and footballer" This man, Nick Vujicic, is saying: 'If I can encourage just one person then my job in this life is done.' He is am extraordinary man. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 4:33 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OT: Early Bit eary, but thought you might enjoy this while you work.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1187338/Off-wall-The-aston ishing-3D-murals-painted-sides-buildings-trompe-loeil-artist.html max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4224 (20090708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4224 (20090708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 15:00:06 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:00:06 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a54facb.1c07d00a.7f9b.0246@mx.google.com> Hmmm, that is a bit off....what about the run time versions? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: 08 July 2009 17:06 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? HIGHLY doubtful....given that Microsoft owns office and this is the competition. Plus, if you read your EULA, you'll find already that Microsoft only allows Office to run on Windows. The VFP guys were really up in arms a few years back because a lot of them were running VFP on Linux under WINE, Microsoft found about it and pointed out that it was illegal because of the EULA. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:51 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? There is a new OS being launched. Don't yet know if it will support Access but there may be an opening here for some gifted talent from this List....leaves me out by definition http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=20815&tag=nl.e589 Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 15:01:06 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:01:06 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Early In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a54fb05.0506d00a.3a58.2169@mx.google.com> Me too Ed. I just hate being ill. Flu is the worse because I get man flu. If only women had any idea what we go through...sheesh... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 08 July 2009 16:30 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Early Ed! I hope it's nothing serious and you recover quickly! Susan H. > Ed -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 15:05:26 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:05:26 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] backup when closing In-Reply-To: <9F09290FB7AA41F797F8CA54B5A21CFD@SusanOne> References: <9F09290FB7AA41F797F8CA54B5A21CFD@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4a54fc0a.0702d00a.2839.4cfb@mx.google.com> Users get the option to create a backup on opening the DB. A backup is created each night as part of the overnight process which also compacts/repairs. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 08 July 2009 20:57 To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] backup when closing Do any of you create a backup of a database when the database closes? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Jul 8 15:08:12 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:08:12 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] backup when closing In-Reply-To: <9F09290FB7AA41F797F8CA54B5A21CFD@SusanOne> References: <9F09290FB7AA41F797F8CA54B5A21CFD@SusanOne> Message-ID: <0238BB0FE9A34EB197877F3C926C07C9@danwaters> I automatically make a copy of the access BE file with the data tables each weekday night. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 2:57 PM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] backup when closing Do any of you create a backup of a database when the database closes? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Wed Jul 8 15:16:32 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:16:32 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] About all of the OT stuff In-Reply-To: <4a54fb05.0506d00a.3a58.2169@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hey everyone. Have I blinked and not noticed this list morphing into another OT one? I mean, personally I'm fine with the OT chat but with my Darth Vader moderator mask on I'm forced to say there may be people out there who don't want this stuff and unless someone-who-must-be-obeyed tells me the rules have changed then my job (sorry) is to discourage it. Andy Killjoy From Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com Wed Jul 8 16:16:46 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:16:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] About all of the OT stuff In-Reply-To: References: <4a54fb05.0506d00a.3a58.2169@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I'll second that. Don't remember the last time I saw a serious Access topic. :-) Lambert (sorry if this is OT too!!!) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 4:17 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] About all of the OT stuff Hey everyone. Have I blinked and not noticed this list morphing into another OT one? I mean, personally I'm fine with the OT chat but with my Darth Vader moderator mask on I'm forced to say there may be people out there who don't want this stuff and unless someone-who-must-be-obeyed tells me the rules have changed then my job (sorry) is to discourage it. Andy Killjoy -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Wed Jul 8 16:37:41 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:37:41 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] backup when closing In-Reply-To: <9F09290FB7AA41F797F8CA54B5A21CFD@SusanOne> References: <9F09290FB7AA41F797F8CA54B5A21CFD@SusanOne> Message-ID: <1B05A6D4200F4406BCBA5E5EA46DBBE0@stevePC> Hi Susan, Yes, I do. When the last user closes down for the day, run some code that compacts and makes a copy of the backend. Normally keep a copy of the last 3 days files. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Susan Harkins" Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 7:57 AM To: Subject: [AccessD] backup when closing > Do any of you create a backup of a database when the database closes? > > Susan H. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4225 (20090708) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From dw-murphy at cox.net Wed Jul 8 17:19:22 2009 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:19:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] backup when closing In-Reply-To: <9F09290FB7AA41F797F8CA54B5A21CFD@SusanOne> References: <9F09290FB7AA41F797F8CA54B5A21CFD@SusanOne> Message-ID: <8B58D358D8714126A8FCB5E88E91C050@murphy3234aaf1> For back ends we have a script that is run nightly that compacts the backend to a temp file and then copies from there back to the original back end name. Before running the script checks that no one is in the back end. The temp file remains and acts as a back up for one day. Doug -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:57 PM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] backup when closing Do any of you create a backup of a database when the database closes? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 02:55:06 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:55:06 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Linking Databases Message-ID: Hi List, I have a BE which has an mdb password on it. It prompts for this when you open it directly. On the FE, I have code which re-links the BE on demand using this structure:- DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", strPathMain, acTable, strLinkThisTable, strLinkThisTable, False, False During the transfer it will prompt for the user password. 1st Q. I would like this to be passed in code so that the user does not need to enter it. Is this possible? 2nd Q. When I copy the BE from the Server to my PC and then run the same relinking code, it does NOT prompt for the BE password. Why not? (it does if it is opened directly, but not from within my code). The code to determine which is:- If bUserWantsNetwork Then DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", conDataPathNetwork & conDatabaseMain, acTable, "mcmSystemInfo", "mcmSystemInfo", False, False Else DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", conDataPathLocal & conDatabaseMain, acTable, "mcmSystemInfo", "mcmSystemInfo", False, False End If NB. the table mcmSystemIno and another file holds details of which tables are to be linked and it loops through them linking accordingly. Max From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jul 9 03:23:56 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:23:56 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Linking Databases Message-ID: Hi Max You should be able to operate on each TableDef: dbs.TableDefs(TableName).Connect = ";DATABASE=" & strConnect dbs.TableDefs(TableName).RefreshLink Build your connect string to include the password. You can look the string up by looking at a successfully connected tabledef. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-07-2009 09:55 >>> Hi List, I have a BE which has an mdb password on it. It prompts for this when you open it directly. On the FE, I have code which re-links the BE on demand using this structure:- DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", strPathMain, acTable, strLinkThisTable, strLinkThisTable, False, False During the transfer it will prompt for the user password. 1st Q. I would like this to be passed in code so that the user does not need to enter it. Is this possible? 2nd Q. When I copy the BE from the Server to my PC and then run the same relinking code, it does NOT prompt for the BE password. Why not? (it does if it is opened directly, but not from within my code). The code to determine which is:- If bUserWantsNetwork Then DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", conDataPathNetwork & conDatabaseMain, acTable, "mcmSystemInfo", "mcmSystemInfo", False, False Else DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", conDataPathLocal & conDatabaseMain, acTable, "mcmSystemInfo", "mcmSystemInfo", False, False End If NB. the table mcmSystemIno and another file holds details of which tables are to be linked and it loops through them linking accordingly. Max From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Jul 9 03:38:44 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:38:44 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Linking Databases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1B0E8D227B134D819C188FD1BC906503@MINSTER> Hi Max I use code to look at the connect string of the first linked table. There's a "pwd=" bit followed by the password. You can store that. I don't use TransferDatabase to relink so I wouldn't know how to place the pw in that. I do what Gustav has here, whuich is to rewrite the connect string and RefreshLink for each tabledef. So you loop through the tables and for each one you get the connect string, replace the bit that follows DATABASE= (ie the path and db name) with the new path and db name and rewrite it back to the connect. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 09 July 2009 09:24 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking Databases Hi Max You should be able to operate on each TableDef: dbs.TableDefs(TableName).Connect = ";DATABASE=" & strConnect dbs.TableDefs(TableName).RefreshLink Build your connect string to include the password. You can look the string up by looking at a successfully connected tabledef. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-07-2009 09:55 >>> Hi List, I have a BE which has an mdb password on it. It prompts for this when you open it directly. On the FE, I have code which re-links the BE on demand using this structure:- DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", strPathMain, acTable, strLinkThisTable, strLinkThisTable, False, False During the transfer it will prompt for the user password. 1st Q. I would like this to be passed in code so that the user does not need to enter it. Is this possible? 2nd Q. When I copy the BE from the Server to my PC and then run the same relinking code, it does NOT prompt for the BE password. Why not? (it does if it is opened directly, but not from within my code). The code to determine which is:- If bUserWantsNetwork Then DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", conDataPathNetwork & conDatabaseMain, acTable, "mcmSystemInfo", "mcmSystemInfo", False, False Else DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", conDataPathLocal & conDatabaseMain, acTable, "mcmSystemInfo", "mcmSystemInfo", False, False End If NB. the table mcmSystemIno and another file holds details of which tables are to be linked and it loops through them linking accordingly. Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 03:49:18 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:49:18 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Linking Databases In-Reply-To: <1B0E8D227B134D819C188FD1BC906503@MINSTER> References: <1B0E8D227B134D819C188FD1BC906503@MINSTER> Message-ID: yes, thanks Gustav/Andy. I will try that later and let you know how I get on. Max On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Andy Lacey wrote: > Hi Max > > I use code to look at the connect string of the first linked table. There's > a "pwd=" bit followed by the password. You can store that. I don't use > TransferDatabase to relink so I wouldn't know how to place the pw in that. > I > do what Gustav has here, whuich is to rewrite the connect string and > RefreshLink for each tabledef. So you loop through the tables and for each > one you get the connect string, replace the bit that follows DATABASE= (ie > the path and db name) with the new path and db name and rewrite it back to > the connect. > > Andy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: 09 July 2009 09:24 > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Linking Databases > > > Hi Max > > You should be able to operate on each TableDef: > > dbs.TableDefs(TableName).Connect = ";DATABASE=" & strConnect > dbs.TableDefs(TableName).RefreshLink > > Build your connect string to include the password. You can look the string > up by looking at a successfully connected tabledef. > > /gustav > > > >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-07-2009 09:55 >>> > Hi List, > I have a BE which has an mdb password on it. It prompts for this when you > open it directly. > > On the FE, I have code which re-links the BE on demand using this > structure:- > > DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", strPathMain, > acTable, strLinkThisTable, strLinkThisTable, False, False > > During the transfer it will prompt for the user password. > > 1st Q. I would like this to be passed in code so that the user does not > need to enter it. Is this possible? > > 2nd Q. When I copy the BE from the Server to my PC and then run the same > relinking code, it does NOT prompt for the BE password. Why not? (it does > if it is opened directly, but not from within my code). > > The code to determine which is:- > > If bUserWantsNetwork Then > DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", conDataPathNetwork & > conDatabaseMain, acTable, "mcmSystemInfo", "mcmSystemInfo", False, False > Else > DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", conDataPathLocal & > conDatabaseMain, acTable, "mcmSystemInfo", "mcmSystemInfo", False, False > End If > > NB. the table mcmSystemIno and another file holds details of which tables > are to be linked and it loops through them linking accordingly. > > Max > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 9 08:04:52 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:04:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] United Breaks Guitars Message-ID: <4A55EAF4.1040104@colbyconsulting.com> Just a not so humorous warning... http://www.jazzguitarblog.com/ -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 9 09:40:40 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:40:40 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] United Breaks Guitars Message-ID: <380-22009749144040504@M2W023.mail2web.com> Hmmm...what happened to his hard shell case? Max checks the bass when he goes to college but it's in a hard shell, soft lining, can't see how it could possibly get damaged even if they toss it. Checked a Taylor in a gig bag? The story leaves some details out.... Rocky Original Message:Like to see a picture. ----------------- From: jwcolby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:04:52 -0400 To: mcolby at colbyconsulting.com, accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] United Breaks Guitars Just a not so humorous warning... http://www.jazzguitarblog.com/ -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 09:46:13 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:46:13 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] How to copy from Access Grid form, without getting the column headers In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D064@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D062@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4DCBC5CD34FA4EA19BC0C5683D563CD7@SusanOne> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D064@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: Hello All, The follow two routines work good enough for what I needed. The first routine is placed in the on_Current of a subform, as you can see, all it does it place the contents of the current row onto a hidden text box on the parent form. It used a short function that returns a string F_str named GetRow with no parameters. The second function then just copies the contents of that textbox on to the clipboard. It is not as sophisticated as talking directly to the clipboard, but it is working now, so that is good enough. Hope it is useful to someone, sometime, Mark Breen Ireland Private Sub Form_Current() Me.Parent.txtClip.Value = F_strGetRow End Sub Private Sub cmdCleanCopy_Click() Me.txtClip.SetFocus Application.DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdCopy End Sub 2009/7/3 Darryl Collins > heh... Aaaah Susan, You wouldn't believe some of the stuff I tried when I > started using Access more seriously. ;) If it looks remotely promising and > you are stuck, give it a try and see what happens I say! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Friday, 3 July 2009 9:08 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to copy from Access Grid form, without getting > the column headers > > That's what I figured -- worth a try. > > Susan H. > > > > > Excel would still paste the values including the header in this case. > > "Values Only" means don't paste any formulae or formatting, just the > > values that the formulae return sans formatting... > > > > cheers > > Darryl > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential > information > and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this > e-mail in > error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any > confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this > e-mail > has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this > e-mail and > any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is > free from > computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by > using this > material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability > will be > limited to resupplying the material. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Thu Jul 9 10:40:21 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:40:21 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT - United Breaks Guitars In-Reply-To: <380-22009749144040504@M2W023.mail2web.com> References: <380-22009749144040504@M2W023.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Yeah, they could land one of the planes on an Anvil case without breaking anything, but he may not have intended to check it and then was forced to. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 7:41 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] United Breaks Guitars Hmmm...what happened to his hard shell case? Max checks the bass when he goes to college but it's in a hard shell, soft lining, can't see how it could possibly get damaged even if they toss it. Checked a Taylor in a gig bag? The story leaves some details out.... Rocky Original Message:Like to see a picture. ----------------- From: jwcolby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:04:52 -0400 To: mcolby at colbyconsulting.com, accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] United Breaks Guitars Just a not so humorous warning... http://www.jazzguitarblog.com/ -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE - Free email based on Microsoft(r) Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 9 11:11:18 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:11:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - United Breaks Guitars In-Reply-To: References: <380-22009749144040504@M2W023.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <4A5616A6.1050707@colbyconsulting.com> LOL, the story implies that they were THROWING the instruments (which doesn't surprise me!) which is a no-no regardless of what the case looks like. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Charlotte Foust wrote: > Yeah, they could land one of the planes on an Anvil case without > breaking anything, but he may not have intended to check it and then was > forced to. > > Charlotte > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > rockysmolin at bchacc.com > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 7:41 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] United Breaks Guitars > > > Hmmm...what happened to his hard shell case? Max checks the bass when > he goes to college but it's in a hard shell, soft lining, can't see how > it could possibly get damaged even if they toss it. Checked a Taylor in > a gig bag? The story leaves some details out.... > > Rocky > > Original Message:Like to see a picture. > ----------------- > From: jwcolby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:04:52 -0400 > To: mcolby at colbyconsulting.com, accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] United Breaks Guitars > > > Just a not so humorous warning... > > http://www.jazzguitarblog.com/ > > -- > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE - Free email based on Microsoft(r) Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 9 11:26:38 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:26:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT - United Breaks Guitars Message-ID: <380-22009749162638709@M2W008.mail2web.com> Really. And denying the claim - stupid. I wonder if there's any follow up on this story. Generally when you shine a light on a company like that they suddenly find a way to do the right thing. And another question: how long will the moderators let us get away with this thread? Rocky Original Message: ----------------- From: jwcolby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:11:18 -0400 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - United Breaks Guitars LOL, the story implies that they were THROWING the instruments (which doesn't surprise me!) which is a no-no regardless of what the case looks like. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Charlotte Foust wrote: > Yeah, they could land one of the planes on an Anvil case without > breaking anything, but he may not have intended to check it and then was > forced to. > > Charlotte > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > rockysmolin at bchacc.com > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 7:41 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] United Breaks Guitars > > > Hmmm...what happened to his hard shell case? Max checks the bass when > he goes to college but it's in a hard shell, soft lining, can't see how > it could possibly get damaged even if they toss it. Checked a Taylor in > a gig bag? The story leaves some details out.... > > Rocky > > Original Message:Like to see a picture. > ----------------- > From: jwcolby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:04:52 -0400 > To: mcolby at colbyconsulting.com, accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] United Breaks Guitars > > > Just a not so humorous warning... > > http://www.jazzguitarblog.com/ > > -- > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE - Free email based on Microsoft(r) Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From garykjos at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 11:40:16 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:40:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT - United Breaks Guitars In-Reply-To: <380-22009749162638709@M2W008.mail2web.com> References: <380-22009749162638709@M2W008.mail2web.com> Message-ID: About that long. OK, END IT NOW PLEASE. Andy asked everyone to stop with the OT threads nicely yesterday before this was posted. We would LOVE to have this type of conversation over on the OT list. Traffic is WAY DOWN over there lately too. As the name implies, there are NO OFF TOPICS there. And we do get a fair number of Access threads going there too. The OT group is a family of sorts and I think most of us consider the group to be some of our best friends even though most of us have never met face to face. Not that we don't have arguments, because we certainly do. Give it a try! Sign up here. http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Gary Kjos Moderator AccessD On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:26 AM, rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote: > > Really. ?And denying the claim - stupid. I wonder if there's any follow up > on this story. ?Generally when you shine a light on a company like that > they suddenly find a way to do the right thing. > > And another question: how long will the moderators let us get away with > this thread? > > Rocky > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: jwcolby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:11:18 -0400 > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - United Breaks Guitars > > > LOL, the story implies that they were THROWING the instruments (which > doesn't surprise me!) which is > a no-no regardless of what the case looks like. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Charlotte Foust wrote: >> ?Yeah, they could land one of the planes on an Anvil case without >> breaking anything, but he may not have intended to check it and then was >> forced to. >> >> Charlotte >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >> rockysmolin at bchacc.com >> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 7:41 AM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] United Breaks Guitars >> >> >> Hmmm...what happened to his hard shell case? ?Max checks the bass when >> he goes to college but it's in a hard shell, soft lining, can't see how >> it could possibly get damaged even if they toss it. ?Checked a Taylor in >> a gig bag? The story leaves some details out.... >> >> Rocky >> >> Original Message:Like to see a picture. >> ----------------- >> From: jwcolby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com >> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:04:52 -0400 >> To: mcolby at colbyconsulting.com, accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [AccessD] United Breaks Guitars >> >> >> Just a not so humorous warning... >> >> http://www.jazzguitarblog.com/ >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> mail2web LIVE - Free email based on Microsoft(r) Exchange technology - >> http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 9 17:12:34 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:12:34 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Free Report Wizard In-Reply-To: References: , <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D064@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>, Message-ID: <4A566B52.3794.2914BE85@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/06/free-report-wizard-offer-from- gladstone.aspx Mike Hnatt has generously extended to the Access blog readers a FREE version of Gladstone?s Access Report Writer. Traditionally, he has sold the developer version of the wizard for $995. The offer includes unlimited computer licenses, ability to change report header and page footers, source code, and royalty-free distribution for your application. The link to the download location is in the blog. -- Stuart From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 9 17:17:48 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:17:48 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT - United Breaks Guitars In-Reply-To: References: <380-22009749162638709@M2W008.mail2web.com>, Message-ID: <4A566C8C.18306.29198A7B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> > going there too. The OT group is a family of sorts and I think most of > us consider the group to be some of our best friends even though most > of us have never met face to face. Not that we don't have arguments, > because we certainly do. Give it a try! Sign up here. > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > WTF? dba-OT Subscription results Your subscription is not allowed because the email address you gave is insecure. It's the same address that I use on this list, sba_SQLServer, dba_Tech and and dba_VisualBasic. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 9 17:26:07 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:26:07 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Secure Address was: Re: OT - United Breaks Guitars In-Reply-To: <4A566C8C.18306.29198A7B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <380-22009749162638709@M2W008.mail2web.com>, , <4A566C8C.18306.29198A7B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4A566E7F.1387.292126AA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> OK - so my gmail address is "secure" but my normal address at my own domain isn't? Double WTF Would one of the administrators like to explain their concept of a "secure address"? On 10 Jul 2009 at 8:17, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > going there too. The OT group is a family of sorts and I think most of > > us consider the group to be some of our best friends even though most > > of us have never met face to face. Not that we don't have arguments, > > because we certainly do. Give it a try! Sign up here. > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > > > WTF? > > dba-OT Subscription results > Your subscription is not allowed because the email address you gave is insecure. > > It's the same address that I use on this list, sba_SQLServer, dba_Tech and and > dba_VisualBasic. > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 9 20:02:13 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:02:13 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Secure Address was: Re: OT - United Breaks Guitars In-Reply-To: <4A566E7F.1387.292126AA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <380-22009749162638709@M2W008.mail2web.com>, , <4A566C8C.18306.29198A7B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4A566E7F.1387.292126AA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4A569315.6030407@colbyconsulting.com> You have done something to give your email address a complex. Did you shout at it? Call it stupid? Email addresses don't just become insecure without something happening. ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Stuart McLachlan wrote: > OK - so my gmail address is "secure" but my normal address at my own domain isn't? > Double WTF > > Would one of the administrators like to explain their concept of a "secure address"? > > > On 10 Jul 2009 at 8:17, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >>> going there too. The OT group is a family of sorts and I think most of >>> us consider the group to be some of our best friends even though most >>> of us have never met face to face. Not that we don't have arguments, >>> because we certainly do. Give it a try! Sign up here. >>> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >>> >> WTF? >> >> dba-OT Subscription results >> Your subscription is not allowed because the email address you gave is insecure. >> >> It's the same address that I use on this list, sba_SQLServer, dba_Tech and and >> dba_VisualBasic. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Jul 10 02:29:48 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:29:48 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Secure Address was: Re: OT - United Breaks Guitars In-Reply-To: <4A566E7F.1387.292126AA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hi Stuart I'm sure if you email Bryan at listmaster at databaseadvisors.com he'll look into it for you. Please bear in mind though that he's a volunteer like the rest of us and gives up his time to keep these lists running and sort out problems like this (which has no doubt been caused by the list software or even the host, not by us), so going to him with "double WTF" and "explaining his concept" might not be the best way to approach this. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 09 July 2009 23:26 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Secure Address was: Re: OT - United Breaks Guitars OK - so my gmail address is "secure" but my normal address at my own domain isn't? Double WTF Would one of the administrators like to explain their concept of a "secure address"? On 10 Jul 2009 at 8:17, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > going there too. The OT group is a family of sorts and I think most of > > us consider the group to be some of our best friends even though most > > of us have never met face to face. Not that we don't have arguments, > > because we certainly do. Give it a try! Sign up here. > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > > > > WTF? > > dba-OT Subscription results > Your subscription is not allowed because the email address you gave is insecure. > > It's the same address that I use on this list, sba_SQLServer, dba_Tech and and > dba_VisualBasic. > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org Fri Jul 10 08:10:55 2009 From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:10:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: <66D9CA142291D741B515207C09AA3BC301BB07@MAIL2.FLDOE.INT> There are a couple of cool features in Access 2007 that have been very useful in a database I created recently. One of these gives the user the ability to highlight something in a text box or memo field and it shows up well in the form. The other gives the user the capability to use right to left languages as long as the correct keyboard and language fonts are installed. Now, I come to my problem. I created a database for a missionary who is in the process of translating the Bible into a language which is a derivative of Arabic. Everything works fine except that he is unable to set the right to left function. I found an article on the Microsoft website and sent it to him. I do not have the feature installed on my computer, nor do I have the font or keyboard, so I could not test it out on my computer. After he read the article his response back to me was: "Right, I myself had to add that function. I think it was an option but needed to be downloaded or installed from the original CD. The problem is that all of the formatting options on the Home Tab are grayed out, and that's where the right-to-left text option is located. The options on Design tab are colored/usable, but not on Home tab. Why would that be? I have not limited his access to the design view and I don't know why the feature he wants is grayed out. If anyone has any ideas how I can trouble shoot this, I would be most appreciative. Thanks in advance. Susan Klos Senior Database Analyst Florida Department of Education Evaluation and Reporting Office Phone: 850.245.0708 Fax: 850.245-0710 email: susan.klos at fldoe.org From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:11:50 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:11:50 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:12:48 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:12:48 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:13:39 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:13:39 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:14:42 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:14:42 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:16:18 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:16:18 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:17:14 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:17:14 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:18:08 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:18:08 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:19:04 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:19:04 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:21:47 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:21:47 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:22:48 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:22:48 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:24:24 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:24:24 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:25:19 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:25:19 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:26:55 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:26:55 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:29:29 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:29:29 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:30:41 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:30:41 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:31:32 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:31:32 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:32:19 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:32:19 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:33:57 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:33:57 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:34:47 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:34:47 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 10 08:33:37 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:33:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 References: Message-ID: <7F112F342AFC4E07BE1A090B59C4F53C@Mattys> Feels like its raining ... - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 > Thanks for your email. > > I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you > immediately on my return. > > If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by > text message to 021-640733. > > Regards > Steve From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 08:35:03 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:35:03 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pretty funny Steve. You need to sent the "send out of office only once" option on maybe? GK On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:31 AM, wrote: > Thanks for your email. > > I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. > > If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. > > Regards > Steve > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:40:34 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:40:34 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:41:19 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:41:19 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From edzedz at comcast.net Fri Jul 10 08:42:28 2009 From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:42:28 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Can anyone take miscellany@mvps.org off the list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001a01ca0164$44be25b0$5bdea8c0@edz1> Can anyone take miscellany at mvps.org off the list ? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of miscellany at mvps.org Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:35 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in A Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:43:03 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:43:03 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:44:05 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:44:05 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Can anyone take miscellany@mvps.org off the list Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 08:48:32 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:48:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Can anyone take miscellany@mvps.org off the list In-Reply-To: <001a01ca0164$44be25b0$5bdea8c0@edz1> References: <001a01ca0164$44be25b0$5bdea8c0@edz1> Message-ID: Trying to contact Bryan to do that. Or John Bartow maybe? On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Edward Zuris wrote: > > > ?Can anyone take miscellany at mvps.org off the list ? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > miscellany at mvps.org > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:35 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: > Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: > Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: > Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in A > > > Thanks for your email. > > I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you > immediately on my return. > > If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by > text message to 021-640733. > > Regards > Steve > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:49:32 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:49:32 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Re: Can anyone take miscellany@mvps.org off the list Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:50:30 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:50:30 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Re: Can anyone take miscellany@mvps.org off the list Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:51:26 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:51:26 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Re: Can anyone take miscellany@mvps.org off the list Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 08:52:24 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:52:24 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Re: Can anyone take miscellany@mvps.org off the list Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 09:10:55 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:10:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Can anyone take miscellany@mvps.org off the list In-Reply-To: <001a01ca0164$44be25b0$5bdea8c0@edz1> References: <001a01ca0164$44be25b0$5bdea8c0@edz1> Message-ID: OK, Bryan has suspended Steve's account. The storm should be over now. Thanks Bryan! GK On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Edward Zuris wrote: > > > ?Can anyone take miscellany at mvps.org off the list ? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > miscellany at mvps.org > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:35 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: > Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: > Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: > Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in A > > > Thanks for your email. > > I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you > immediately on my return. > > If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by > text message to 021-640733. > > Regards > Steve > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 09:12:43 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:12:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 In-Reply-To: <7F112F342AFC4E07BE1A090B59C4F53C@Mattys> References: <7F112F342AFC4E07BE1A090B59C4F53C@Mattys> Message-ID: Like a hurricane. All better now though. GK On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Mike Mattys wrote: > Feels like its raining ... > > - > Michael R Mattys > MapPoint and Database Dev > www.mattysconsulting.com > - > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:29 AM > Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: > Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: > Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 > > >> Thanks for your email. >> >> I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you >> immediately on my return. >> >> If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by >> text message to 021-640733. >> >> Regards >> Steve > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 09:28:23 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:28:23 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Can anyone take miscellany@mvps.org off the list Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 09:28:28 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:28:28 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Re: Can anyone take miscellany@mvps.org off the list Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 09:28:35 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:28:35 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 09:28:37 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:28:37 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Re: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Jul 10 09:28:39 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (miscellany at mvps.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:28:39 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Re: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 Message-ID: Thanks for your email. I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you immediately on my return. If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by text message to 021-640733. Regards Steve From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 10 11:00:25 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:00:25 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] display right to left languages in Access 2007 In-Reply-To: <66D9CA142291D741B515207C09AA3BC301BB07@MAIL2.FLDOE.INT> References: <66D9CA142291D741B515207C09AA3BC301BB07@MAIL2.FLDOE.INT> Message-ID: <4A576599.8628.2CE663AD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Do you mean the "Reading order" property? That's not new - it's been around since A2K. On 10 Jul 2009 at 9:10, Klos, Susan wrote: > There are a couple of cool features in Access 2007 that have been very > useful in a database I created recently. ... >The other gives the user the capability to > use right to left languages as long as the correct keyboard and language > fonts are installed. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 10 11:04:43 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:04:43 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Aut In-Reply-To: <7F112F342AFC4E07BE1A090B59C4F53C@Mattys> References: , <7F112F342AFC4E07BE1A090B59C4F53C@Mattys> Message-ID: <4A57669B.27579.2CEA5368@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> That must be the new and improved "Out of Office Reply" in Office 2007 On 10 Jul 2009 at 9:33, Mike Mattys wrote: > Feels like its raining ... > > - > Michael R Mattys > MapPoint and Database Dev > www.mattysconsulting.com > - > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:29 AM > Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: > Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: > Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 > > > > Thanks for your email. > > > > I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you > > immediately on my return. > > > > If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by > > text message to 021-640733. > > > > Regards > > Steve > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 11:09:01 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:09:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Aut In-Reply-To: <4A57669B.27579.2CEA5368@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <7F112F342AFC4E07BE1A090B59C4F53C@Mattys> <4A57669B.27579.2CEA5368@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I was just waiting for that tie in. Perhaps an undocumented FEATURE? At least it's Friday. GK On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > That must be the new and improved "Out of Office Reply" in Office 2007 > > > On 10 Jul 2009 at 9:33, Mike Mattys wrote: > >> Feels like its raining ... >> >> - >> Michael R Mattys >> MapPoint and Database Dev >> www.mattysconsulting.com >> - >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:29 AM >> Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: >> Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: >> Autoreply: Autoreply: display right to left languages in Access 2007 >> >> >> > Thanks for your email. >> > >> > I am on annual leave from 11th to 15th July. I will respond to you >> > immediately on my return. >> > >> > If the matter is urgent, the most reliable way to contact me will be by >> > text message to 021-640733. >> > >> > Regards >> > Steve >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 13:18:02 2009 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:18:02 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 coming up... Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0907101118h42ba30aan73b15bf95df6938e@mail.gmail.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUawhjxLS2I From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Jul 10 13:51:43 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:51:43 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A578DBF.5090602@torchlake.com> Jim, So, how does the Office Suite for Mac work out? Is there a special agreement? T Jim Dettman wrote: > HIGHLY doubtful....given that Microsoft owns office and this is the > competition. > > Plus, if you read your EULA, you'll find already that Microsoft only > allows Office to run on Windows. > > The VFP guys were really up in arms a few years back because a lot of them > were running VFP on Linux under WINE, Microsoft found about it and pointed > out that it was illegal because of the EULA. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:51 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? > > There is a new OS being launched. > > Don't yet know if it will support Access but there may be an opening here > for some gifted talent from this List....leaves me out by definition > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=20815&tag=nl.e589 > > Max > From kismert at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 13:57:17 2009 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:57:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Message-ID: <7c7841600907101157x4da791bdw2e5f415913284931@mail.gmail.com> I heard David Carradine died from Autoreply asphyxiation... From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Fri Jul 10 14:13:47 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:13:47 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply:Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply:Autoreply: Autoreply: In-Reply-To: <7c7841600907101157x4da791bdw2e5f415913284931@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c7841600907101157x4da791bdw2e5f415913284931@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Groan!! ROTFL Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:57 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply:Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply:Autoreply: Autoreply: I heard David Carradine died from Autoreply asphyxiation... -- From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Fri Jul 10 14:14:57 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:14:57 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? In-Reply-To: <4A578DBF.5090602@torchlake.com> References: <4A578DBF.5090602@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Different EULA. Microsoft created the early Apple OS. Sibling rivalry. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? Jim, So, how does the Office Suite for Mac work out? Is there a special agreement? T Jim Dettman wrote: > HIGHLY doubtful....given that Microsoft owns office and this is the > competition. > > Plus, if you read your EULA, you'll find already that Microsoft only > allows Office to run on Windows. > > The VFP guys were really up in arms a few years back because a lot > of them were running VFP on Linux under WINE, Microsoft found about it > and pointed out that it was illegal because of the EULA. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:51 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? > > There is a new OS being launched. > > Don't yet know if it will support Access but there may be an opening > here for some gifted talent from this List....leaves me out by > definition > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=20815&tag=nl.e589 > > Max > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 03:27:32 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:27:32 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 coming up... In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0907101118h42ba30aan73b15bf95df6938e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4dd71a0c0907101118h42ba30aan73b15bf95df6938e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a584cf7.0508d00a.36ca.6854@mx.google.com> Hmm looks like another instance of all flam and no substance... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: 10 July 2009 19:18 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 coming up... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUawhjxLS2I -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paulrster at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 06:52:21 2009 From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:52:21 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 coming up... In-Reply-To: <4a584cf7.0508d00a.36ca.6854@mx.google.com> References: <4dd71a0c0907101118h42ba30aan73b15bf95df6938e@mail.gmail.com> <4a584cf7.0508d00a.36ca.6854@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1ad7dee90907110452x30c0e9cft2eae7bcd221b4c26@mail.gmail.com> It does, Max. Good to see why windows is so enormously expensive, and why the cost of upgrading is so OTT. What would it have cost to hire that chopper for the 3 second shot? If this budget could have gone into advancing Access, what satisfaction for developer customers. Does Microsoft wonder why they build so much resentment among their customers. Will we be able to code in VB in Google's OS, I wonder. 2009/7/11 Max Wanadoo > Hmm looks like another instance of all flam and no substance... > > Max > > > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 07:01:26 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:01:26 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 coming up... In-Reply-To: <1ad7dee90907110452x30c0e9cft2eae7bcd221b4c26@mail.gmail.com> References: <4dd71a0c0907101118h42ba30aan73b15bf95df6938e@mail.gmail.com> <4a584cf7.0508d00a.36ca.6854@mx.google.com> <1ad7dee90907110452x30c0e9cft2eae7bcd221b4c26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a587f19.0702d00a.58b8.ffff820e@mx.google.com> Years ago I used to program in assembler. Wish I could still do that, I would write my own open source Access-Look-Alike compatible with any OS and working via APIs to the OS. Oh well, dream, dreams. Everely brothers, "whenever I want you, all I have to do is dreammmmm" Also, looking at that video, I was hard pressed to know what it was all about....without the captions (minimal) and without being told before hand what it was about, I would never, ever have guessed. Some of these marketing men are out of this world. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers Sent: 11 July 2009 12:52 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010 coming up... It does, Max. Good to see why windows is so enormously expensive, and why the cost of upgrading is so OTT. What would it have cost to hire that chopper for the 3 second shot? If this budget could have gone into advancing Access, what satisfaction for developer customers. Does Microsoft wonder why they build so much resentment among their customers. Will we be able to code in VB in Google's OS, I wonder. 2009/7/11 Max Wanadoo > Hmm looks like another instance of all flam and no substance... > > Max > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jul 11 09:56:11 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:56:11 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Help building EatBloat installer Message-ID: <4A58A80B.2070506@colbyconsulting.com> Max has generously donated his EatBloat tool to Database Advisors. Dan Waters and myself are both rebuilding Eatbloat, but in different directions. I am working on an Add-in which will be available from the toolbar (Tools / Addins / Eatbloat) in any database you are working on. Dan is working on keeping EatBloat as a form which you import into a project to perform the process. Because of the differences in the methods we are using, the end results will be radically different, yet perform basically the same functionality. We will end up with two completely separate products, and you, the developer, can choose which you would like to use. Dan's version will be used simply by placing eatbloat somewhere on your disk, opening your application, and importing a form from his Eatbloat container. My version OTOH will be installed somewhere on your hard disk and then you will use AddIn manager to add it in to your menu bar. While not required, it would be nice to have an installer for my version, where the installer places the addin in the Microsoft Addin directory (yes there is such a thing), whereupon it will be instantly visible from the Addin wizard. If it is not placed there then the user has to navigate to where they placed it. So... is anyone out there familiar with creating installers, and if so volunteer to create an installer for my addin? TIA, -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jul 11 10:40:14 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:40:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Help building EatBloat installer Message-ID: <380-220097611154014624@M2W016.mail2web.com> JC: I have Wise/Sagekey and, while not very expert in Wise, a simple install should be a snap with the Wise template I have that does a simple install and doesn't include the Access run time. I'm away at the moment but will take a look when I'm back in the office - maybe send you a sample with an install of just a dummy text file or something to see how it runs. The template gives a default folder for the install, and allows you browse to a different folder if desired. Also has a license agreement form as part of the process. What is the path to the Add-In folder? Rocky Original Message: ----------------- From: jwcolby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:56:11 -0400 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Help building EatBloat installer Max has generously donated his EatBloat tool to Database Advisors. Dan Waters and myself are both rebuilding Eatbloat, but in different directions. I am working on an Add-in which will be available from the toolbar (Tools / Addins / Eatbloat) in any database you are working on. Dan is working on keeping EatBloat as a form which you import into a project to perform the process. Because of the differences in the methods we are using, the end results will be radically different, yet perform basically the same functionality. We will end up with two completely separate products, and you, the developer, can choose which you would like to use. Dan's version will be used simply by placing eatbloat somewhere on your disk, opening your application, and importing a form from his Eatbloat container. My version OTOH will be installed somewhere on your hard disk and then you will use AddIn manager to add it in to your menu bar. While not required, it would be nice to have an installer for my version, where the installer places the addin in the Microsoft Addin directory (yes there is such a thing), whereupon it will be instantly visible from the Addin wizard. If it is not placed there then the user has to navigate to where they placed it. So... is anyone out there familiar with creating installers, and if so volunteer to create an installer for my addin? TIA, -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft? Windows? and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jul 11 11:17:04 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:17:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Help building EatBloat installer In-Reply-To: <380-220097611154014624@M2W016.mail2web.com> References: <380-220097611154014624@M2W016.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <4A58BB00.1000208@colbyconsulting.com> Rocky, > What is the path to the Add-In folder? Well... It is AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Addins However that is under jwcolby. What that translates to in the real world I haven't a clue. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote: > JC: > > I have Wise/Sagekey and, while not very expert in Wise, a simple install > should be a snap with the Wise template I have that does a simple install > and doesn't include the Access run time. > > I'm away at the moment but will take a look when I'm back in the office - > maybe send you a sample with an install of just a dummy text file or > something to see how it runs. The template gives a default folder for the > install, and allows you browse to a different folder if desired. Also has a > license agreement form as part of the process. > > What is the path to the Add-In folder? > > Rocky > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: jwcolby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:56:11 -0400 > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] Help building EatBloat installer > > > Max has generously donated his EatBloat tool to Database Advisors. Dan > Waters and myself are both > rebuilding Eatbloat, but in different directions. I am working on an > Add-in which will be available > from the toolbar (Tools / Addins / Eatbloat) in any database you are > working on. Dan is working on > keeping EatBloat as a form which you import into a project to perform the > process. > > Because of the differences in the methods we are using, the end results > will be radically different, > yet perform basically the same functionality. We will end up with two > completely separate products, > and you, the developer, can choose which you would like to use. > > Dan's version will be used simply by placing eatbloat somewhere on your > disk, opening your > application, and importing a form from his Eatbloat container. > > My version OTOH will be installed somewhere on your hard disk and then you > will use AddIn manager to > add it in to your menu bar. While not required, it would be nice to have > an installer for my > version, where the installer places the addin in the Microsoft Addin > directory (yes there is such a > thing), whereupon it will be instantly visible from the Addin wizard. If > it is not placed there > then the user has to navigate to where they placed it. > > So... is anyone out there familiar with creating installers, and if so > volunteer to create an > installer for my addin? > > > TIA, > From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Sat Jul 11 11:59:45 2009 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:59:45 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Help building EatBloat installer In-Reply-To: <4A58BB00.1000208@colbyconsulting.com> References: <380-220097611154014624@M2W016.mail2web.com> <4A58BB00.1000208@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I think it moves around depending on Access version (I think 2000 required that you added a row in the USysRegInfo hidden system table stating the location that got written to the registry) and operating system. In my Vista 64 machine the add-ins for 2003 are located in Program files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\addins For John's case probably have to use the %username% or perhaps %homepath% thing that is part of most install programs. HTH Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "jwcolby" Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 9:17 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help building EatBloat installer Rocky, > What is the path to the Add-In folder? Well... It is AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Addins However that is under jwcolby. What that translates to in the real world I haven't a clue. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote: > JC: > > I have Wise/Sagekey and, while not very expert in Wise, a simple install > should be a snap with the Wise template I have that does a simple install > and doesn't include the Access run time. > > I'm away at the moment but will take a look when I'm back in the office - > maybe send you a sample with an install of just a dummy text file or > something to see how it runs. The template gives a default folder for the > install, and allows you browse to a different folder if desired. Also has > a > license agreement form as part of the process. > > What is the path to the Add-In folder? > > Rocky > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: jwcolby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:56:11 -0400 > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] Help building EatBloat installer > > > Max has generously donated his EatBloat tool to Database Advisors. Dan > Waters and myself are both > rebuilding Eatbloat, but in different directions. I am working on an > Add-in which will be available > from the toolbar (Tools / Addins / Eatbloat) in any database you are > working on. Dan is working on > keeping EatBloat as a form which you import into a project to perform the > process. > > Because of the differences in the methods we are using, the end results > will be radically different, > yet perform basically the same functionality. We will end up with two > completely separate products, > and you, the developer, can choose which you would like to use. > > Dan's version will be used simply by placing eatbloat somewhere on your > disk, opening your > application, and importing a form from his Eatbloat container. > > My version OTOH will be installed somewhere on your hard disk and then you > will use AddIn manager to > add it in to your menu bar. While not required, it would be nice to have > an installer for my > version, where the installer places the addin in the Microsoft Addin > directory (yes there is such a > thing), whereupon it will be instantly visible from the Addin wizard. If > it is not placed there > then the user has to navigate to where they placed it. > > So... is anyone out there familiar with creating installers, and if so > volunteer to create an > installer for my addin? > > > TIA, > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 14:12:25 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:12:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Help building EatBloat installer In-Reply-To: References: <380-220097611154014624@M2W016.mail2web.com> <4A58BB00.1000208@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907111212s59912f18qbd8ef2dda1b74558@mail.gmail.com> I can't make this app work and I have tried everything. Clearly I am missing some essential clue(s) that make it work as described. I keep getting messages concerning "stub" not empty and I have no idea what I am supposed to do to correct this/these problem(s). Judging by the threads, a lot of you love this product, and so I can only conclude that I missed this boat. All I get is error-messages, primarily having to do with "stub", whatever that is. I presumed that it refers to the directory in which my app lives, but even switching to that offers no joy. I am baffled. Perhaps I'm too old for this game, and should retire to the bingo hall for my remaining days. A. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 14:18:07 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:18:07 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Help building EatBloat installer In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907111212s59912f18qbd8ef2dda1b74558@mail.gmail.com> References: <380-220097611154014624@M2W016.mail2web.com> <4A58BB00.1000208@colbyconsulting.com> <29f585dd0907111212s59912f18qbd8ef2dda1b74558@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a58e575.0506d00a.2ab2.ffffa418@mx.google.com> Arthur, If you are able to, zip the whole director/subdirectories and send to me. I will run it, zip it all up and send it back. HTH Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 11 July 2009 20:12 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help building EatBloat installer I can't make this app work and I have tried everything. Clearly I am missing some essential clue(s) that make it work as described. I keep getting messages concerning "stub" not empty and I have no idea what I am supposed to do to correct this/these problem(s). Judging by the threads, a lot of you love this product, and so I can only conclude that I missed this boat. All I get is error-messages, primarily having to do with "stub", whatever that is. I presumed that it refers to the directory in which my app lives, but even switching to that offers no joy. I am baffled. Perhaps I'm too old for this game, and should retire to the bingo hall for my remaining days. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Jul 11 14:52:13 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:52:13 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? In-Reply-To: <4A578DBF.5090602@torchlake.com> References: <4A578DBF.5090602@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Office for the MAC is a separate edition of Office. I was talking about the windows edition of Office. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:52 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? Jim, So, how does the Office Suite for Mac work out? Is there a special agreement? T Jim Dettman wrote: > HIGHLY doubtful....given that Microsoft owns office and this is the > competition. > > Plus, if you read your EULA, you'll find already that Microsoft only > allows Office to run on Windows. > > The VFP guys were really up in arms a few years back because a lot of them > were running VFP on Linux under WINE, Microsoft found about it and pointed > out that it was illegal because of the EULA. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:51 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? > > There is a new OS being launched. > > Don't yet know if it will support Access but there may be an opening here > for some gifted talent from this List....leaves me out by definition > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=20815&tag=nl.e589 > > Max > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Jul 11 14:53:28 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:53:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 coming up... In-Reply-To: <4a584cf7.0508d00a.36ca.6854@mx.google.com> References: <4dd71a0c0907101118h42ba30aan73b15bf95df6938e@mail.gmail.com> <4a584cf7.0508d00a.36ca.6854@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Max, First thought that flashed into my mind; more flash then gas. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:28 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2010 coming up... Hmm looks like another instance of all flam and no substance... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: 10 July 2009 19:18 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Office 2010 coming up... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUawhjxLS2I -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Sat Jul 11 15:04:03 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:04:03 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All, FYI, I checked the Office 2007 EULA and can find nothing that says it cannot be run under emulation. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:06 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? HIGHLY doubtful....given that Microsoft owns office and this is the competition. Plus, if you read your EULA, you'll find already that Microsoft only allows Office to run on Windows. The VFP guys were really up in arms a few years back because a lot of them were running VFP on Linux under WINE, Microsoft found about it and pointed out that it was illegal because of the EULA. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:51 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] New OS for Access Opportunity? There is a new OS being launched. Don't yet know if it will support Access but there may be an opening here for some gifted talent from this List....leaves me out by definition http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=20815&tag=nl.e589 Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jul 11 17:48:04 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:48:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Help building EatBloat installer In-Reply-To: <4a58e575.0506d00a.2ab2.ffffa418@mx.google.com> References: <380-220097611154014624@M2W016.mail2web.com> <4A58BB00.1000208@colbyconsulting.com> <29f585dd0907111212s59912f18qbd8ef2dda1b74558@mail.gmail.com> <4a58e575.0506d00a.2ab2.ffffa418@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A5916A4.7090809@colbyconsulting.com> Arthur, Eatbloat dies not create the very first directory level below the application. After that it does create all the rest. Max, Fix your version to create that first level of directory and then it will work properly. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Arthur, > If you are able to, zip the whole director/subdirectories and send to me. I > will run it, zip it all up and send it back. > > HTH > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: 11 July 2009 20:12 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help building EatBloat installer > > I can't make this app work and I have tried everything. Clearly I am missing > some essential clue(s) that make it work as described. I keep getting > messages concerning "stub" not empty and I have no idea what I am supposed > to do to correct this/these problem(s). > Judging by the threads, a lot of you love this product, and so I can only > conclude that I missed this boat. All I get is error-messages, primarily > having to do with "stub", whatever that is. I presumed that it refers to the > directory in which my app lives, but even switching to that offers no joy. I > am baffled. Perhaps I'm too old for this game, and should retire to the > bingo hall for my remaining days. > > A. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 17:54:51 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:54:51 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Help building EatBloat installer In-Reply-To: <4A5916A4.7090809@colbyconsulting.com> References: <380-220097611154014624@M2W016.mail2web.com> <4A58BB00.1000208@colbyconsulting.com> <29f585dd0907111212s59912f18qbd8ef2dda1b74558@mail.gmail.com> <4a58e575.0506d00a.2ab2.ffffa418@mx.google.com> <4A5916A4.7090809@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a591840.1701d00a.74bd.ffff84e4@mx.google.com> Yes, you are correct. The existence of ExportAsText is one of multiple directories created by my installation...sorry about that... I am working on Arthur program now, and there are other issues apart from missing directory... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 11 July 2009 23:48 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Help building EatBloat installer Arthur, Eatbloat dies not create the very first directory level below the application. After that it does create all the rest. Max, Fix your version to create that first level of directory and then it will work properly. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Arthur, > If you are able to, zip the whole director/subdirectories and send to me. I > will run it, zip it all up and send it back. > > HTH > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: 11 July 2009 20:12 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help building EatBloat installer > > I can't make this app work and I have tried everything. Clearly I am missing > some essential clue(s) that make it work as described. I keep getting > messages concerning "stub" not empty and I have no idea what I am supposed > to do to correct this/these problem(s). > Judging by the threads, a lot of you love this product, and so I can only > conclude that I missed this boat. All I get is error-messages, primarily > having to do with "stub", whatever that is. I presumed that it refers to the > directory in which my app lives, but even switching to that offers no joy. I > am baffled. Perhaps I'm too old for this game, and should retire to the > bingo hall for my remaining days. > > A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jul 11 23:23:00 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:23:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Help building EatBloat installer In-Reply-To: <4a591840.1701d00a.74bd.ffff84e4@mx.google.com> References: <380-220097611154014624@M2W016.mail2web.com> <4A58BB00.1000208@colbyconsulting.com> <29f585dd0907111212s59912f18qbd8ef2dda1b74558@mail.gmail.com> <4a58e575.0506d00a.2ab2.ffffa418@mx.google.com> <4A5916A4.7090809@colbyconsulting.com> <4a591840.1701d00a.74bd.ffff84e4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A596524.1000600@colbyconsulting.com> Max, Send me a copy when you have finished with what you are doing. I'll drop it into my version. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Yes, you are correct. The existence of ExportAsText is one of multiple > directories created by my installation...sorry about that... > > I am working on Arthur program now, and there are other issues apart from > missing directory... > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 11 July 2009 23:48 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Help building EatBloat installer > > Arthur, > > Eatbloat dies not create the very first directory level below the > application. After that it does > create all the rest. > > Max, > > Fix your version to create that first level of directory and then it will > work properly. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: >> Arthur, >> If you are able to, zip the whole director/subdirectories and send to me. > I >> will run it, zip it all up and send it back. >> >> HTH >> >> Max >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller >> Sent: 11 July 2009 20:12 >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help building EatBloat installer >> >> I can't make this app work and I have tried everything. Clearly I am > missing >> some essential clue(s) that make it work as described. I keep getting >> messages concerning "stub" not empty and I have no idea what I am supposed >> to do to correct this/these problem(s). >> Judging by the threads, a lot of you love this product, and so I can only >> conclude that I missed this boat. All I get is error-messages, primarily >> having to do with "stub", whatever that is. I presumed that it refers to > the >> directory in which my app lives, but even switching to that offers no joy. > I >> am baffled. Perhaps I'm too old for this game, and should retire to the >> bingo hall for my remaining days. >> >> A. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 12 08:47:30 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:47:30 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working Message-ID: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005> Dear List: Legacy app. I added a form to make purchase orders. In the AfterUpdate event of the combo box which finds an existing purchase order I added the following: Private Sub cboFindPO_AfterUpdate() Me.Recordset.Clone.FindFirst "fldPOHID = " & Me.cboFindPO.Column(0) MsgBox Me.RecordsetClone.NoMatch Me.Bookmark = Me.RecordsetClone.Bookmark Me.Refresh End Sub But the form does not move to the selected Purchase Order. I put in the MsgBox just to make sure NoMatch was False. I added the Refresh to see if that was the problem. Does anyone see a reason why this shouldn't work? MTIA, Rocky From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Sun Jul 12 11:45:15 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:45:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005> Message-ID: <73953CA474EF4103AFD059419007E576@jislaptopdev> ...is your column id correct? ...Column(1) vs Column(0) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 9:47 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working > Dear List: > > Legacy app. I added a form to make purchase orders. In the AfterUpdate > event of the combo box which finds an existing purchase order I added the > following: > > > Private Sub cboFindPO_AfterUpdate() > Me.Recordset.Clone.FindFirst "fldPOHID = " & Me.cboFindPO.Column(0) > MsgBox Me.RecordsetClone.NoMatch > Me.Bookmark = Me.RecordsetClone.Bookmark > Me.Refresh > End Sub > > But the form does not move to the selected Purchase Order. > > I put in the MsgBox just to make sure NoMatch was False. I added the > Refresh to see if that was the problem. > > Does anyone see a reason why this shouldn't work? > > MTIA, > > Rocky > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwelz at hotmail.com Sun Jul 12 11:57:09 2009 From: jwelz at hotmail.com (Jurgen Welz) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:57:09 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working In-Reply-To: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005> References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005> Message-ID: DAO? Make certain of your references. I believe every time you call RecordsetClone, you get a new clone so you'll need to use dimension a recordset variable and set it to the recordsetclone and use the variable. I'm not certain of this, but in any event, it's faster to reuse the variable. I see you have a dot betwen recordset and clone in the 2nd line of the code you posted. (Recordset.Clone rather than RecordsetClone). I'd check the data type of fldPOHIS is numeric. If it's string, you need: .FindFirst "fldPOHID = '" & Me.cboFindPO & "'". I'd also check that the lookup combo is bound to the first column by placing a break in the code and doing a debug.print me.cboFindPO.Column(0). That should tell you the datatype while you're at it. You'll need a NZ(me me.cboFindPO, -1). Users might delete the selection in the combo before they leave it and I like to use a guaranteed no record is found on a blank combo and -1 doesn't come up as an autonumber for about 4 billion records. One other thing I like to do is, if the form is designed to display one record at a time and isn't continuous or a datasheet view, I like to set the form recordset to a single record. That way the form loads very quickly and works similar to data on demand subforms. If you look online at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb258175.aspx you'll find the following example: Sub SupplierID_AfterUpdate() Dim rst As Recordset Dim strSearchName As String Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone strSearchName = Str(Me!SupplierID) rst.FindFirst "SupplierID = " & strSearchName If rst.NoMatch Then MsgBox "Record not found" Else Me.Bookmark = rst.Bookmark End If rst.Close End Sub The msdn example uses a numeric ID but does a string conversion as the findfirst method accepts a search parameter. Most people that I know just pass the numeric and allow the implicit type conversion resulting from the concatenation. I'm also not sure of the Str(Me!SupplierID). I'd have used strSearchName = cStr(me!SupplierID & "") which also handles the nulls. Ciao J?rgen Welz Edmonton, Alberta jwelz at hotmail.com > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:47:30 -0700 > Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working > > Dear List: > > Legacy app. I added a form to make purchase orders. In the AfterUpdate > event of the combo box which finds an existing purchase order I added the > following: > > > Private Sub cboFindPO_AfterUpdate() > Me.Recordset.Clone.FindFirst "fldPOHID = " & Me.cboFindPO.Column(0) > MsgBox Me.RecordsetClone.NoMatch > Me.Bookmark = Me.RecordsetClone.Bookmark > Me.Refresh > End Sub > > But the form does not move to the selected Purchase Order. > > I put in the MsgBox just to make sure NoMatch was False. I added the > Refresh to see if that was the problem. > > Does anyone see a reason why this shouldn't work? > > MTIA, > > Rocky _________________________________________________________________ Internet explorer 8 lets you browse the web faster. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9655582 From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Sun Jul 12 11:55:51 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:55:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005> Message-ID: <682620D6F32A4FC49B7EBDC03EFBD9C4@Mattys> Line 1: Me.Recordset.Clone.FindFirst Line 2: Me.RecordsetClone.NoMatch Rocky, What is the difference between Recordset . Clone in Line 1 and RecordsetClone in line 2? (typo?) - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working > Dear List: > > Legacy app. I added a form to make purchase orders. In the AfterUpdate > event of the combo box which finds an existing purchase order I added the > following: > > > Private Sub cboFindPO_AfterUpdate() > Me.Recordset.Clone.FindFirst "fldPOHID = " & Me.cboFindPO.Column(0) > MsgBox Me.RecordsetClone.NoMatch > Me.Bookmark = Me.RecordsetClone.Bookmark > Me.Refresh > End Sub > > But the form does not move to the selected Purchase Order. > > I put in the MsgBox just to make sure NoMatch was False. I added the > Refresh to see if that was the problem. > > Does anyone see a reason why this shouldn't work? > > MTIA, > > Rocky > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 12:12:53 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:12:53 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working In-Reply-To: <73953CA474EF4103AFD059419007E576@jislaptopdev> References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005> <73953CA474EF4103AFD059419007E576@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: <4a5a199b.0a1ad00a.3848.1cfc@mx.google.com> Also, further to William, is it numeric or text. If text, it needs quotes. Assuming your cbo has a recordset where the first item is the PO and the second or subsequent items are what the user sees. If the user sees the first item (column(0)) then you don't need to put the column(0) bit in, just me!cboFindPO Also, I find it more stable to put the search term into a variable and not directly as you have coded it. I would use the onchange and not the afterupdate... Private Sub cboFindPO_OnChange() Dim rst as dao.recordset, strFind as string Set rst = me.recordsetclone strFind = "fldPHHID=" & me!cboFindPO rst.findfirst strfind if not rst.nomatch then me.bookmark = rst.bookmark else msgbox "Ooops, where did it go?" end if set rst = nothing End Sub ALL the above is air code. Max -----riginal Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: 12 July 2009 17:45 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working ...is your column id correct? ...Column(1) vs Column(0) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 9:47 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working > Dear List: > > Legacy app. I added a form to make purchase orders. In the AfterUpdate > event of the combo box which finds an existing purchase order I added the > following: > > > Private Sub cboFindPO_AfterUpdate() > Me.Recordset.Clone.FindFirst "fldPOHID = " & Me.cboFindPO.Column(0) > MsgBox Me.RecordsetClone.NoMatch > Me.Bookmark = Me.RecordsetClone.Bookmark > Me.Refresh > End Sub > > But the form does not move to the selected Purchase Order. > > I put in the MsgBox just to make sure NoMatch was False. I added the > Refresh to see if that was the problem. > > Does anyone see a reason why this shouldn't work? > > MTIA, > > Rocky > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From adtp at airtelmail.in Sun Jul 12 12:49:20 2009 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:19:20 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005> Message-ID: <006b01ca0319$4e81de00$115ea27a@personald6374f> Rocky, Whenever you call Me.RecordsetClone, it is a new instance with bookmark at first record. Therefore your third statement, setting form's bookmark equal to that of its RecordsetClone does not derive any benefit from the FindFirst action performed on the other clone in very first statement. Instead, you are merely taking the form to first record. Note: Apparently you meant RecordsetClone (and not Recordset.Clone) in the first statement. Two alternatives are available to you: (a) At the very beginning, set a pointer to RecordsetClone and refer to that only in remaining part of the code, as already pointed out by J?rgen. (b) Adopt drastically simplified one line approach, using form's recordset directly as follows: Me.Recordset.FindFirst "<>" Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Rocky Smolin To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 19:17 Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working Dear List: Legacy app. I added a form to make purchase orders. In the AfterUpdate event of the combo box which finds an existing purchase order I added the following: Private Sub cboFindPO_AfterUpdate() Me.Recordset.Clone.FindFirst "fldPOHID = " & Me.cboFindPO.Column(0) MsgBox Me.RecordsetClone.NoMatch Me.Bookmark = Me.RecordsetClone.Bookmark Me.Refresh End Sub But the form does not move to the selected Purchase Order. I put in the MsgBox just to make sure NoMatch was False. I added the Refresh to see if that was the problem. Does anyone see a reason why this shouldn't work? MTIA, Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 12 14:55:09 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:55:09 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working In-Reply-To: <73953CA474EF4103AFD059419007E576@jislaptopdev> References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005> <73953CA474EF4103AFD059419007E576@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: I believe so. The first column is the PO Header ID (column width zero), the second column is the PO Number. Bound column is 1 but there's no control source so I think it should make no difference. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 9:45 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working ...is your column id correct? ...Column(1) vs Column(0) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 9:47 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working > Dear List: > > Legacy app. I added a form to make purchase orders. In the > AfterUpdate event of the combo box which finds an existing purchase > order I added the > following: > > > Private Sub cboFindPO_AfterUpdate() > Me.Recordset.Clone.FindFirst "fldPOHID = " & Me.cboFindPO.Column(0) > MsgBox Me.RecordsetClone.NoMatch > Me.Bookmark = Me.RecordsetClone.Bookmark > Me.Refresh > End Sub > > But the form does not move to the selected Purchase Order. > > I put in the MsgBox just to make sure NoMatch was False. I added the > Refresh to see if that was the problem. > > Does anyone see a reason why this shouldn't work? > > MTIA, > > Rocky > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 12 14:57:28 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:57:28 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working In-Reply-To: References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005> Message-ID: <52B4BC8E9BE849E2ADDF09CD9B340A13@HAL9005> Jurgen: "I see you have a dot between recordset and clone in the 2nd line of the code you posted. (Recordset.Clone rather than RecordsetClone). " That was it!!!! That's why I needed more eyeballs on this. I never would have seen that extra period. Thank you. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jurgen Welz Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 9:57 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working DAO? Make certain of your references. I believe every time you call RecordsetClone, you get a new clone so you'll need to use dimension a recordset variable and set it to the recordsetclone and use the variable. I'm not certain of this, but in any event, it's faster to reuse the variable. I see you have a dot betwen recordset and clone in the 2nd line of the code you posted. (Recordset.Clone rather than RecordsetClone). I'd check the data type of fldPOHIS is numeric. If it's string, you need: .FindFirst "fldPOHID = '" & Me.cboFindPO & "'". I'd also check that the lookup combo is bound to the first column by placing a break in the code and doing a debug.print me.cboFindPO.Column(0). That should tell you the datatype while you're at it. You'll need a NZ(me me.cboFindPO, -1). Users might delete the selection in the combo before they leave it and I like to use a guaranteed no record is found on a blank combo and -1 doesn't come up as an autonumber for about 4 billion records. One other thing I like to do is, if the form is designed to display one record at a time and isn't continuous or a datasheet view, I like to set the form recordset to a single record. That way the form loads very quickly and works similar to data on demand subforms. If you look online at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb258175.aspx you'll find the following example: Sub SupplierID_AfterUpdate() Dim rst As Recordset Dim strSearchName As String Set rst = Me.RecordsetClone strSearchName = Str(Me!SupplierID) rst.FindFirst "SupplierID = " & strSearchName If rst.NoMatch Then MsgBox "Record not found" Else Me.Bookmark = rst.Bookmark End If rst.Close End Sub The msdn example uses a numeric ID but does a string conversion as the findfirst method accepts a search parameter. Most people that I know just pass the numeric and allow the implicit type conversion resulting from the concatenation. I'm also not sure of the Str(Me!SupplierID). I'd have used strSearchName = cStr(me!SupplierID & "") which also handles the nulls. Ciao J?rgen Welz Edmonton, Alberta jwelz at hotmail.com > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:47:30 -0700 > Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working > > Dear List: > > Legacy app. I added a form to make purchase orders. In the AfterUpdate > event of the combo box which finds an existing purchase order I added > the > following: > > > Private Sub cboFindPO_AfterUpdate() > Me.Recordset.Clone.FindFirst "fldPOHID = " & Me.cboFindPO.Column(0) > MsgBox Me.RecordsetClone.NoMatch Me.Bookmark = > Me.RecordsetClone.Bookmark Me.Refresh End Sub > > But the form does not move to the selected Purchase Order. > > I put in the MsgBox just to make sure NoMatch was False. I added the > Refresh to see if that was the problem. > > Does anyone see a reason why this shouldn't work? > > MTIA, > > Rocky _________________________________________________________________ Internet explorer 8 lets you browse the web faster. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9655582 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 12 14:58:58 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:58:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working In-Reply-To: <682620D6F32A4FC49B7EBDC03EFBD9C4@Mattys> References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005> <682620D6F32A4FC49B7EBDC03EFBD9C4@Mattys> Message-ID: The technical term is screw up. There are more generic terms in common parlance, however. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 9:56 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working Line 1: Me.Recordset.Clone.FindFirst Line 2: Me.RecordsetClone.NoMatch Rocky, What is the difference between Recordset . Clone in Line 1 and RecordsetClone in line 2? (typo?) - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working > Dear List: > > Legacy app. I added a form to make purchase orders. In the AfterUpdate > event of the combo box which finds an existing purchase order I added the > following: > > > Private Sub cboFindPO_AfterUpdate() > Me.Recordset.Clone.FindFirst "fldPOHID = " & Me.cboFindPO.Column(0) > MsgBox Me.RecordsetClone.NoMatch > Me.Bookmark = Me.RecordsetClone.Bookmark > Me.Refresh > End Sub > > But the form does not move to the selected Purchase Order. > > I put in the MsgBox just to make sure NoMatch was False. I added the > Refresh to see if that was the problem. > > Does anyone see a reason why this shouldn't work? > > MTIA, > > Rocky > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 12 15:37:15 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:37:15 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working In-Reply-To: <006b01ca0319$4e81de00$115ea27a@personald6374f> References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005> <006b01ca0319$4e81de00$115ea27a@personald6374f> Message-ID: <3C31461DF0894182B9A1F3EB0DFF228D@HAL9005> A.D: Thanks for the simplification. The one-liner works of course. I suppose it can be used where there's no possibility of a NoMatch as when you're pulling the PK from a combo box where the row source is from the target table? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 10:49 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working Rocky, Whenever you call Me.RecordsetClone, it is a new instance with bookmark at first record. Therefore your third statement, setting form's bookmark equal to that of its RecordsetClone does not derive any benefit from the FindFirst action performed on the other clone in very first statement. Instead, you are merely taking the form to first record. Note: Apparently you meant RecordsetClone (and not Recordset.Clone) in the first statement. Two alternatives are available to you: (a) At the very beginning, set a pointer to RecordsetClone and refer to that only in remaining part of the code, as already pointed out by J?rgen. (b) Adopt drastically simplified one line approach, using form's recordset directly as follows: Me.Recordset.FindFirst "<>" Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Rocky Smolin To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 19:17 Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working Dear List: Legacy app. I added a form to make purchase orders. In the AfterUpdate event of the combo box which finds an existing purchase order I added the following: Private Sub cboFindPO_AfterUpdate() Me.Recordset.Clone.FindFirst "fldPOHID = " & Me.cboFindPO.Column(0) MsgBox Me.RecordsetClone.NoMatch Me.Bookmark = Me.RecordsetClone.Bookmark Me.Refresh End Sub But the form does not move to the selected Purchase Order. I put in the MsgBox just to make sure NoMatch was False. I added the Refresh to see if that was the problem. Does anyone see a reason why this shouldn't work? MTIA, Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 12 21:59:39 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:59:39 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Google Book Settlement Message-ID: To Whom It May Concern: If you are a book author, book publisher, or other person who owns a copyright in a book or other writing, your rights may be affected by a class action settlement regarding Google's scanning and use of Books and other writings. Get complete information including the full notice : http://www.googlebooksettlement.com or call 1-800-356-0248. Rocky From jwelz at hotmail.com Mon Jul 13 00:55:11 2009 From: jwelz at hotmail.com (Jurgen Welz) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:55:11 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access to Excel Automation works first time In-Reply-To: <52B4BC8E9BE849E2ADDF09CD9B340A13@HAL9005> References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005> <52B4BC8E9BE849E2ADDF09CD9B340A13@HAL9005> Message-ID: I've run into an Excel automation problem. It seems like one of those nagging failure to release an object reference problems. What happens is, the first time I run the code, it works perfectly. If I call the procedure a second time, it errors. If I then close the Access application, reopen it and then try the code again, it triggers the error. If I close the access application by running End and then Quit from the immediate window, the code again works the first time I try it after reopening the Access application. The code worked perfectly until I added some cleaned up Excel macro recorder code to the Access code that inserted a chart. If I comment out the chart code, the automation code runs correctly every time. The code uses a preformatted Excel template and writes a table of information to sheet 2 and then diplays a table based on that data on the first sheet. Every object that uses a set statement is set to nothing in the ExitRoutine portion of the error handler in the code. I can only assume there is some implicit instantiation of an Excel object that I'm not seeing. Excerpted below, skipping the part that writes the data, is the part of the code that blows up on the 4 th line below where the Source of chart data is set by calling the SetSourceData method of the Chart object variable. I tried it with a workbook chart object as well as the application chart object and it errors at the same point. I also replaces all the oxlApp.ActiveChart with: With oxlCht and with: With oxlapp.ActiveChart versions of the code. Same story every way I try it. The code works the first time and then there is an error message: Method 'SetSourceData' of object'_Chart' failed. By the way, I needed to decrease the margins in code because if I don't, a portion of the x axis labeling is cut off. If I insert the chart with the wider margins and decrease them in the code, the axis numbers are correctly visible. What am I missing to get this to run without forcing a code end/quit? Private Sub cmdCashFlowSummary_Click() On Error GoTo ErrorHandler Dim oxlApp As Excel.Application Dim oxlWkb As Excel.Workbook Dim oxlCht As Excel.Chart oxlApp.Sheets("Forecast").Activate Set oxlCht = oxlApp.Charts.Add oxlCht.ChartType = xlLineMarkers 'Need C3 to C28 but will delete SeriesCollection(1) oxlCht.SetSourceData Source:=Sheets("Data").Range("B3:C28"), PlotBy:= _ xlColumns 'get rid of the first series that sets the scale oxlCht.SeriesCollection(1).Delete oxlCht.SeriesCollection(1).XValues = "={""Weeks""}" oxlCht.SeriesCollection(1).Name = _ "=""Historical Percent Paid by Week After Invoice""" oxlCht.Location Where:=xlLocationAsObject, Name:="Forecast" oxlApp.ActiveChart.HasTitle = True oxlApp.ActiveChart.ChartTitle.Characters.Text = "Percent Paid by Week After Invoice" oxlApp.ActiveChart.Axes(xlCategory, xlPrimary).HasTitle = False oxlApp.ActiveChart.Axes(xlValue, xlPrimary).HasTitle = False oxlApp.ActiveChart.Legend.Select oxlApp.Selection.Delete 'Shape object is the chart. Shapes(1) is logo oxlApp.ActiveSheet.Shapes(2).Top = 250 oxlApp.ActiveSheet.Shapes(2).Left = 0 oxlApp.ActiveSheet.Shapes(2).Width = 516 oxlApp.ActiveChart.SeriesCollection(1).XValues = "=Data!R3C2:R28C2" oxlApp.Range("A1").Select oxlApp.ActiveSheet.PageSetup.TopMargin = oxlApp.InchesToPoints(0.5) oxlApp.ActiveSheet.PageSetup.BottomMargin = oxlApp.InchesToPoints(0.5) ExitRoutine: On Error Resume Next r.Close Set r = Nothing oxlApp.Visible = True Set oxlCht = Nothing Set oxlWkb = Nothing Set oxlApp = Nothing Exit Sub ErrorHandler: With Err Select Case .Number Case Else MsgBox .Number & vbCrLf & .Description, vbInformation, "Error - " & _ "frmCashFlow.cmdCashFlowSummary_Click" End Select End With Resume 0 Resume ExitRoutine End Sub Ciao J?rgen Welz Edmonton, Alberta jwelz at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666046 From adtp at airtelmail.in Mon Jul 13 00:49:40 2009 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:19:40 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005><006b01ca0319$4e81de00$115ea27a@personald6374f> <3C31461DF0894182B9A1F3EB0DFF228D@HAL9005> Message-ID: <001601ca037f$f8113e50$285fa27a@personald6374f> Rocky, Simplified one line statement directly using form's recordset is quite safe. In case of no match the form goes to the first record. There is no error so long as the criteria string is OK and free from any data type mismatch. If it is desired to notify the user in case of no match, the following code could be adopted: '============================== With Me.Recordset .FindFirst "<>" If .NoMatch Then MsgBox "No Matching Record" End If End With '============================== However, if the situation also demands that in case of no match the form should stay at the existing record, following code, based upon form's RecordsetClone could be preferred: '============================== With Me.RecordsetClone .FindFirst "<>" If .NoMatch Then MsgBox "No Matching Record" Else Me.Bookmark = .Bookmark End If End With '============================== Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Rocky Smolin To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 02:07 Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working A.D: Thanks for the simplification. The one-liner works of course. I suppose it can be used where there's no possibility of a NoMatch as when you're pulling the PK from a combo box where the row source is from the target table? Rocky From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jul 13 01:18:05 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:18:05 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Access to Excel Automation works first time In-Reply-To: References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005>, <52B4BC8E9BE849E2ADDF09CD9B340A13@HAL9005>, Message-ID: <4A5AD19D.24897.3A444D27@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> The old "unqualified reference" strikes again :-) See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/319832 Here's one I've spotted: oxlCht.SetSourceData Source:=Sheets("Data").Range("B3:C28"), PlotBy:= _ xlColumns Sheets need to be qualified. Off the top of my head, try: oxlCht.SetSourceData Source:=oxlWkb.Sheets("Data").Range("B3:C28"), PlotBy:= _ xlColumns -- Stuart On 12 Jul 2009 at 23:55, Jurgen Welz wrote: > > I've run into an Excel automation problem. It seems like one of those > nagging failure to release an object reference problems. > > What happens is, the first time I run the code, it works perfectly. > If I call the procedure a second time, it errors. If I then close the > Access application, reopen it and then try the code again, it triggers > the error. If I close the access application by running End and then > Quit from the immediate window, the code again works the first time I > try it after reopening the Access application. > > The code worked perfectly until I added some cleaned up Excel macro > recorder code to the Access code that inserted a chart. If I comment > out the chart code, the automation code runs correctly every time. > The code uses a preformatted Excel template and writes a table of > information to sheet 2 and then diplays a table based on that data on > the first sheet. > > Every object that uses a set statement is set to nothing in the ExitRoutine portion of the error handler in the code. I can only assume there is some implicit instantiation of an Excel object that I'm not seeing. Excerpted below, skipping the part that writes the data, is the part of the code that blows up on the 4 th line below where the Source of chart data is set by calling the SetSourceData method of the Chart object variable. I tried it with a workbook chart object as well as the application chart object and it errors at the same point. I also replaces all the oxlApp.ActiveChart with: With oxlCht and with: With oxlapp.ActiveChart versions of the code. Same story every way I try it. The code works the first time and then there is an error message: Method 'SetSourceData' of object'_Chart' failed. By the way, I needed to decrease the margins in code because if I don't, a portion of the x axis labeling is cut off. If I insert the chart with the wider margins and decrease them in the code, the axi > > Private Sub cmdCashFlowSummary_Click() > On Error GoTo ErrorHandler > > Dim oxlApp As Excel.Application > Dim oxlWkb As Excel.Workbook > Dim oxlCht As Excel.Chart > > oxlApp.Sheets("Forecast").Activate > Set oxlCht = oxlApp.Charts.Add > oxlCht.ChartType = xlLineMarkers > 'Need C3 to C28 but will delete SeriesCollection(1) > oxlCht.SetSourceData Source:=Sheets("Data").Range("B3:C28"), PlotBy:= _ > xlColumns > 'get rid of the first series that sets the scale > oxlCht.SeriesCollection(1).Delete > oxlCht.SeriesCollection(1).XValues = "={""Weeks""}" > oxlCht.SeriesCollection(1).Name = _ > "=""Historical Percent Paid by Week After Invoice""" > oxlCht.Location Where:=xlLocationAsObject, Name:="Forecast" > oxlApp.ActiveChart.HasTitle = True > oxlApp.ActiveChart.ChartTitle.Characters.Text = "Percent Paid by Week After Invoice" > oxlApp.ActiveChart.Axes(xlCategory, xlPrimary).HasTitle = False > oxlApp.ActiveChart.Axes(xlValue, xlPrimary).HasTitle = False > oxlApp.ActiveChart.Legend.Select > oxlApp.Selection.Delete > 'Shape object is the chart. Shapes(1) is logo > oxlApp.ActiveSheet.Shapes(2).Top = 250 > oxlApp.ActiveSheet.Shapes(2).Left = 0 > oxlApp.ActiveSheet.Shapes(2).Width = 516 > oxlApp.ActiveChart.SeriesCollection(1).XValues = "=Data!R3C2:R28C2" > oxlApp.Range("A1").Select > oxlApp.ActiveSheet.PageSetup.TopMargin = oxlApp.InchesToPoints(0.5) > oxlApp.ActiveSheet.PageSetup.BottomMargin = oxlApp.InchesToPoints(0.5) > ExitRoutine: > On Error Resume Next > r.Close > Set r = Nothing > oxlApp.Visible = True > Set oxlCht = Nothing > Set oxlWkb = Nothing > Set oxlApp = Nothing > Exit Sub > ErrorHandler: > With Err > Select Case .Number > Case Else > MsgBox .Number & vbCrLf & .Description, vbInformation, "Error - " & _ > "frmCashFlow.cmdCashFlowSummary_Click" > End Select > End With > Resume 0 > Resume ExitRoutine > End Sub > > Ciao > J?rgen Welz > Edmonton, Alberta > jwelz at hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666046 > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Mon Jul 13 01:34:22 2009 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:34:22 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Access to Excel Automation works first time In-Reply-To: References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005> <52B4BC8E9BE849E2ADDF09CD9B340A13@HAL9005> Message-ID: <38c884770907122334n24c06ed3r927bae7871d8babb@mail.gmail.com> Just a thought have you tried this: ExitRoutine: On Error Resume Next r.Close Set r = Nothing oxlApp.Visible = True Set oxlCht = Nothing oxlWkb.Close Set oxlWkb = Nothing oxlApp.Quit Set oxlApp = Nothing Exit Sub Paul Hartland 2009/7/13 Jurgen Welz > > I've run into an Excel automation problem. It seems like one of those > nagging failure to release an object reference problems. > > What happens is, the first time I run the code, it works perfectly. If I > call the procedure a second time, it errors. If I then close the Access > application, reopen it and then try the code again, it triggers the error. > If I close the access application by running End and then Quit from the > immediate window, the code again works the first time I try it after > reopening the Access application. > > The code worked perfectly until I added some cleaned up Excel macro > recorder code to the Access code that inserted a chart. If I comment out > the chart code, the automation code runs correctly every time. The code > uses a preformatted Excel template and writes a table of information to > sheet 2 and then diplays a table based on that data on the first sheet. > > Every object that uses a set statement is set to nothing in the ExitRoutine > portion of the error handler in the code. I can only assume there is some > implicit instantiation of an Excel object that I'm not seeing. Excerpted > below, skipping the part that writes the data, is the part of the code that > blows up on the 4 th line below where the Source of chart data is set by > calling the SetSourceData method of the Chart object variable. I tried it > with a workbook chart object as well as the application chart object and it > errors at the same point. I also replaces all the oxlApp.ActiveChart with: > With oxlCht and with: With oxlapp.ActiveChart versions of the code. Same > story every way I try it. The code works the first time and then there is > an error message: Method 'SetSourceData' of object'_Chart' failed. By the > way, I needed to decrease the margins in code because if I don't, a portion > of the x axis labeling is cut off. If I insert the chart with the wider > margins and decrease them in the code, the axis numbers are correctly > visible. What am I missing to get this to run without forcing a code > end/quit? > > Private Sub cmdCashFlowSummary_Click() > On Error GoTo ErrorHandler > > Dim oxlApp As Excel.Application > Dim oxlWkb As Excel.Workbook > Dim oxlCht As Excel.Chart > > oxlApp.Sheets("Forecast").Activate > Set oxlCht = oxlApp.Charts.Add > oxlCht.ChartType = xlLineMarkers > 'Need C3 to C28 but will delete SeriesCollection(1) > oxlCht.SetSourceData Source:=Sheets("Data").Range("B3:C28"), PlotBy:= _ > xlColumns > 'get rid of the first series that sets the scale > oxlCht.SeriesCollection(1).Delete > oxlCht.SeriesCollection(1).XValues = "={""Weeks""}" > oxlCht.SeriesCollection(1).Name = _ > "=""Historical Percent Paid by Week After Invoice""" > oxlCht.Location Where:=xlLocationAsObject, Name:="Forecast" > oxlApp.ActiveChart.HasTitle = True > oxlApp.ActiveChart.ChartTitle.Characters.Text = "Percent Paid by Week > After Invoice" > oxlApp.ActiveChart.Axes(xlCategory, xlPrimary).HasTitle = False > oxlApp.ActiveChart.Axes(xlValue, xlPrimary).HasTitle = False > oxlApp.ActiveChart.Legend.Select > oxlApp.Selection.Delete > 'Shape object is the chart. Shapes(1) is logo > oxlApp.ActiveSheet.Shapes(2).Top = 250 > oxlApp.ActiveSheet.Shapes(2).Left = 0 > oxlApp.ActiveSheet.Shapes(2).Width = 516 > oxlApp.ActiveChart.SeriesCollection(1).XValues = "=Data!R3C2:R28C2" > oxlApp.Range("A1").Select > oxlApp.ActiveSheet.PageSetup.TopMargin = oxlApp.InchesToPoints(0.5) > oxlApp.ActiveSheet.PageSetup.BottomMargin = oxlApp.InchesToPoints(0.5) > ExitRoutine: > On Error Resume Next > r.Close > Set r = Nothing > oxlApp.Visible = True > Set oxlCht = Nothing > Set oxlWkb = Nothing > Set oxlApp = Nothing > Exit Sub > ErrorHandler: > With Err > Select Case .Number > Case Else > MsgBox .Number & vbCrLf & .Description, vbInformation, > "Error - " & _ > "frmCashFlow.cmdCashFlowSummary_Click" > End Select > End With > Resume 0 > Resume ExitRoutine > End Sub > > Ciao > J?rgen Welz > Edmonton, Alberta > jwelz at hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666046 > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From jwelz at hotmail.com Mon Jul 13 01:43:07 2009 From: jwelz at hotmail.com (Jurgen Welz) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:43:07 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Access to Excel Automation works first time In-Reply-To: <4A5AD19D.24897.3A444D27@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005>, <52B4BC8E9BE849E2ADDF09CD9B340A13@HAL9005>, <4A5AD19D.24897.3A444D27@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: You nailed it Stuart. I revised that line of code to oxlApp.Sheets and it works as intended. Ciao J?rgen Welz Edmonton, Alberta jwelz at hotmail.com > From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:18:05 +1000 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access to Excel Automation works first time > > The old "unqualified reference" strikes again :-) > See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/319832 > > Here's one I've spotted: > oxlCht.SetSourceData Source:=Sheets("Data").Range("B3:C28"), PlotBy:= _ > xlColumns > > Sheets need to be qualified. Off the top of my head, try: > > oxlCht.SetSourceData Source:=oxlWkb.Sheets("Data").Range("B3:C28"), PlotBy:= _ > xlColumns > > -- > Stuart > > > On 12 Jul 2009 at 23:55, Jurgen Welz wrote: > > > > > I've run into an Excel automation problem. It seems like one of those > > nagging failure to release an object reference problems. > > > > What happens is, the first time I run the code, it works perfectly. > > If I call the procedure a second time, it errors. If I then close the > > Access application, reopen it and then try the code again, it triggers > > the error. If I close the access application by running End and then > > Quit from the immediate window, the code again works the first time I > > try it after reopening the Access application. > > > > The code worked perfectly until I added some cleaned up Excel macro > > recorder code to the Access code that inserted a chart. If I comment > > out the chart code, the automation code runs correctly every time. > > The code uses a preformatted Excel template and writes a table of > > information to sheet 2 and then diplays a table based on that data on > > the first sheet. > > > > Every object that uses a set statement is set to nothing in the ExitRoutine portion of the > error handler in the code. I can only assume there is some implicit instantiation of an Excel > object that I'm not seeing. Excerpted below, skipping the part that writes the data, is the > part of the code that blows up on the 4 th line below where the Source of chart data is set by > calling the SetSourceData method of the Chart object variable. I tried it with a workbook > chart object as well as the application chart object and it errors at the same point. I also > replaces all the oxlApp.ActiveChart with: With oxlCht and with: With oxlapp.ActiveChart > versions of the code. Same story every way I try it. The code works the first time and then > there is an error message: Method 'SetSourceData' of object'_Chart' failed. By the way, I > needed to decrease the margins in code because if I don't, a portion of the x axis labeling is > cut off. If I insert the chart with the wider margins and decrease them in the code, the axi > > > > Private Sub cmdCashFlowSummary_Click() > > On Error GoTo ErrorHandler > > > > Dim oxlApp As Excel.Application > > Dim oxlWkb As Excel.Workbook > > Dim oxlCht As Excel.Chart > > > > oxlApp.Sheets("Forecast").Activate > > Set oxlCht = oxlApp.Charts.Add > > oxlCht.ChartType = xlLineMarkers > > 'Need C3 to C28 but will delete SeriesCollection(1) > > oxlCht.SetSourceData Source:=Sheets("Data").Range("B3:C28"), PlotBy:= _ > > xlColumns > > 'get rid of the first series that sets the scale > > oxlCht.SeriesCollection(1).Delete > > oxlCht.SeriesCollection(1).XValues = "={""Weeks""}" > > oxlCht.SeriesCollection(1).Name = _ > > "=""Historical Percent Paid by Week After Invoice""" > > oxlCht.Location Where:=xlLocationAsObject, Name:="Forecast" > > oxlApp.ActiveChart.HasTitle = True > > oxlApp.ActiveChart.ChartTitle.Characters.Text = "Percent Paid by Week After Invoice" > > oxlApp.ActiveChart.Axes(xlCategory, xlPrimary).HasTitle = False > > oxlApp.ActiveChart.Axes(xlValue, xlPrimary).HasTitle = False > > oxlApp.ActiveChart.Legend.Select > > oxlApp.Selection.Delete > > 'Shape object is the chart. Shapes(1) is logo > > oxlApp.ActiveSheet.Shapes(2).Top = 250 > > oxlApp.ActiveSheet.Shapes(2).Left = 0 > > oxlApp.ActiveSheet.Shapes(2).Width = 516 > > oxlApp.ActiveChart.SeriesCollection(1).XValues = "=Data!R3C2:R28C2" > > oxlApp.Range("A1").Select > > oxlApp.ActiveSheet.PageSetup.TopMargin = oxlApp.InchesToPoints(0.5) > > oxlApp.ActiveSheet.PageSetup.BottomMargin = oxlApp.InchesToPoints(0.5) > > ExitRoutine: > > On Error Resume Next > > r.Close > > Set r = Nothing > > oxlApp.Visible = True > > Set oxlCht = Nothing > > Set oxlWkb = Nothing > > Set oxlApp = Nothing > > Exit Sub > > ErrorHandler: > > With Err > > Select Case .Number > > Case Else > > MsgBox .Number & vbCrLf & .Description, vbInformation, "Error - " & _ > > "frmCashFlow.cmdCashFlowSummary_Click" > > End Select > > End With > > Resume 0 > > Resume ExitRoutine > > End Sub > > > > Ciao > > J?rgen Welz > > Edmonton, Alberta > > jwelz at hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. > > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666046 > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Create a cool, new character for your Windows Live? Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9656621 From adtp at airtelmail.in Mon Jul 13 03:44:24 2009 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:14:24 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Web Browser control on Access form - Odd behaviour with Excel 2007 References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005><52B4BC8E9BE849E2ADDF09CD9B340A13@HAL9005> <38c884770907122334n24c06ed3r927bae7871d8babb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006101ca0396$38e240d0$175fa27a@personald6374f> Microsoft web browser on access form affords convenient means of user interaction with an excel file (e.g. selecting the start cell for data to be exported from access). It has been working fine with excel versions upto 2K3. However, it is observed that in case of excel 2K7, the excel file in question does not remain contained within the web browser. Instead, it gets opened independently in its parent application. Typical command in form's load event is given below: Me.MyWebBrowser.Navigate URL:="<>" I would be thankful for any suggestions for ensuring that the called excel file gets displayed strictly within the confines of web browser ? Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 13 07:42:43 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:42:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working In-Reply-To: <001601ca037f$f8113e50$285fa27a@personald6374f> References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005><006b01ca0319$4e81de00$115ea27a@personald6374f><3C31461DF0894182B9A1F3EB0DFF228D@HAL9005> <001601ca037f$f8113e50$285fa27a@personald6374f> Message-ID: <563A1151A05D4A08973E90D1D359853E@HAL9005> A.D.: The second method is the one I've always used. I probably cribbed it from one of your posts years ago. Best, Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 10:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working Rocky, Simplified one line statement directly using form's recordset is quite safe. In case of no match the form goes to the first record. There is no error so long as the criteria string is OK and free from any data type mismatch. If it is desired to notify the user in case of no match, the following code could be adopted: '============================== With Me.Recordset .FindFirst "<>" If .NoMatch Then MsgBox "No Matching Record" End If End With '============================== However, if the situation also demands that in case of no match the form should stay at the existing record, following code, based upon form's RecordsetClone could be preferred: '============================== With Me.RecordsetClone .FindFirst "<>" If .NoMatch Then MsgBox "No Matching Record" Else Me.Bookmark = .Bookmark End If End With '============================== Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Rocky Smolin To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 02:07 Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst Not Working A.D: Thanks for the simplification. The one-liner works of course. I suppose it can be used where there's no possibility of a NoMatch as when you're pulling the PK from a combo box where the row source is from the target table? Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From pedro at plex.nl Mon Jul 13 15:55:04 2009 From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:55:04 (MET DST) Subject: [AccessD] calculation Message-ID: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net> Hello Group, i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the total of numbers of B. The table that is have: ID patient B 1 AA 1 2 AA 1 3 AA 2 4 AA 3 5 BB 1 Query: patient B(%) AA 25 How can i do this? Thanks Pedro From dwaters at usinternet.com Mon Jul 13 09:19:06 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:19:06 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] calculation In-Reply-To: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net> References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net> Message-ID: <0AFA87E11A584056B9AC3D9FD7057E26@danwaters> Pedro, Can you post your equation? I can't see how to get 25%. Also - what is B3? Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:55 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] calculation Hello Group, i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the total of numbers of B. The table that is have: ID patient B 1 AA 1 2 AA 1 3 AA 2 4 AA 3 5 BB 1 Query: patient B(%) AA 25 How can i do this? Thanks Pedro -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From pedro at plex.nl Mon Jul 13 09:44:45 2009 From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:44:45 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] calculation References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net> <0AFA87E11A584056B9AC3D9FD7057E26@danwaters> Message-ID: <007d01ca03c8$76d95ea0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Hello Dan, and others. i haven't got an query equation jet, i can't seem to manage the group by calculation. How i get 25% Patient AA has 4 test (ID 1 to 4) One of these has Value B=3. calculation: 1 : 4 = 0,25 x 100% = 25% Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > Pedro, > > Can you post your equation? I can't see how to get 25%. > > Also - what is B3? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:55 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] calculation > > Hello Group, > > i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the > total of numbers of B. > > The table that is have: > > ID patient B > 1 AA 1 > 2 AA 1 > 3 AA 2 > 4 AA 3 > 5 BB 1 > > > Query: > > patient B(%) > AA 25 > > How can i do this? > > Thanks > > Pedro > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com Mon Jul 13 09:44:30 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:44:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] calculation In-Reply-To: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net> References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net> Message-ID: Something like... Select ID,Patient, B, Sum(b) as bTotals, B/bTotals as b_Percent from SomeTable; ??? Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:55 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] calculation Hello Group, i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the total of numbers of B. The table that is have: ID patient B 1 AA 1 2 AA 1 3 AA 2 4 AA 3 5 BB 1 Query: patient B(%) AA 25 How can i do this? Thanks Pedro -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 13 09:48:32 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:48:32 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] calculation In-Reply-To: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net> References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net> Message-ID: <556F1300E8A04126A414A0A44DB57A8C@HAL9005> Pedro: Shouldn't AA % be 87.5 (total of 7 for AA of the total of 8 for all patients)? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:55 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] calculation Hello Group, i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the total of numbers of B. The table that is have: ID patient B 1 AA 1 2 AA 1 3 AA 2 4 AA 3 5 BB 1 Query: patient B(%) AA 25 How can i do this? Thanks Pedro -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 13 09:58:38 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:58:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] calculation In-Reply-To: <007d01ca03c8$76d95ea0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net><0AFA87E11A584056B9AC3D9FD7057E26@danwaters> <007d01ca03c8$76d95ea0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Message-ID: <29B1B8C798F84AFB8921A7A8C2977CFF@HAL9005> OIC. You want to know for each patient what percent of the total number of tests scored a 3? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:45 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation Hello Dan, and others. i haven't got an query equation jet, i can't seem to manage the group by calculation. How i get 25% Patient AA has 4 test (ID 1 to 4) One of these has Value B=3. calculation: 1 : 4 = 0,25 x 100% = 25% Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > Pedro, > > Can you post your equation? I can't see how to get 25%. > > Also - what is B3? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:55 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] calculation > > Hello Group, > > i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the > total of numbers of B. > > The table that is have: > > ID patient B > 1 AA 1 > 2 AA 1 > 3 AA 2 > 4 AA 3 > 5 BB 1 > > > Query: > > patient B(%) > AA 25 > > How can i do this? > > Thanks > > Pedro > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jul 13 11:34:14 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:34:14 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] calculation In-Reply-To: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net> References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net> Message-ID: <4A5B6206.29061.3C786583@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Select Patient,Dcount("*","myTable","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = 3) / Dcount("*","myTable",Patient = '" & Patient & "'") * 100 Group by Patient On 13 Jul 2009 at 15:55, pedro at plex.nl wrote: > Hello Group, > > i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the total of numbers of B. > > The table that is have: > > ID patient B > 1 AA 1 > 2 AA 1 > 3 AA 2 > 4 AA 3 > 5 BB 1 > > > Query: > > patient B(%) > AA 25 > > How can i do this? > > Thanks > > Pedro > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From pedro at plex.nl Mon Jul 13 11:46:00 2009 From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:46:00 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] calculation References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net><0AFA87E11A584056B9AC3D9FD7057E26@danwaters><007d01ca03c8$76d95ea0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> <29B1B8C798F84AFB8921A7A8C2977CFF@HAL9005> Message-ID: <000e01ca03d9$66f74c70$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Hello Rocky, yes, for each patient the percent of the total number of tests scored a 3. The query Lambert gave, doesn't work. Thanks Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > OIC. You want to know for each patient what percent of the total number > of > tests scored a 3? > > Rocky > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:45 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > Hello Dan, and others. > > i haven't got an query equation jet, > i can't seem to manage the group by calculation. > > How i get 25% > > Patient AA has 4 test (ID 1 to 4) > One of these has Value B=3. > > calculation: 1 : 4 = 0,25 x 100% = 25% > > Pedro > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Waters" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > >> Pedro, >> >> Can you post your equation? I can't see how to get 25%. >> >> Also - what is B3? >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:55 PM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [AccessD] calculation >> >> Hello Group, >> >> i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the >> total of numbers of B. >> >> The table that is have: >> >> ID patient B >> 1 AA 1 >> 2 AA 1 >> 3 AA 2 >> 4 AA 3 >> 5 BB 1 >> >> >> Query: >> >> patient B(%) >> AA 25 >> >> How can i do this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Pedro >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Jul 13 11:56:56 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:56:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] calculation In-Reply-To: <007d01ca03c8$76d95ea0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net><0AFA87E11A584056B9AC3D9FD7057E26@danwaters> <007d01ca03c8$76d95ea0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Message-ID: This should do what you want: SELECT T1.Patient, T1.B, (SELECT Count(*) FROM tblPatients WHERE Patient=T1.Patient AND B=T1.B)/(SELECT Count(*) FROM tblPatients WHERE Patient=T1.Patient)*100 & "%" AS Percentage FROM tblPatients AS T1 GROUP BY T1.Patient, T1.B; I made your table (with ID, Patient, B as the fields) and called it tblPatient. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:45 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation Hello Dan, and others. i haven't got an query equation jet, i can't seem to manage the group by calculation. How i get 25% Patient AA has 4 test (ID 1 to 4) One of these has Value B=3. calculation: 1 : 4 = 0,25 x 100% = 25% Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > Pedro, > > Can you post your equation? I can't see how to get 25%. > > Also - what is B3? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:55 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] calculation > > Hello Group, > > i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the > total of numbers of B. > > The table that is have: > > ID patient B > 1 AA 1 > 2 AA 1 > 3 AA 2 > 4 AA 3 > 5 BB 1 > > > Query: > > patient B(%) > AA 25 > > How can i do this? > > Thanks > > Pedro > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From pedro at plex.nl Mon Jul 13 12:13:28 2009 From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:13:28 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] calculation References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net> <4A5B6206.29061.3C786583@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000601ca03dd$3d9d1180$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Hello Stuart, i called my Table Test, but i get syntaxerrors (operator is missing). Which is missing? Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = 3) / Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "') * 100 Group by Patient; Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > Select Patient,Dcount("*","myTable","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = > 3) / > Dcount("*","myTable",Patient = '" & Patient & "'") * 100 Group by Patient > > > > On 13 Jul 2009 at 15:55, pedro at plex.nl wrote: > >> Hello Group, >> >> i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the >> total of numbers of B. >> >> The table that is have: >> >> ID patient B >> 1 AA 1 >> 2 AA 1 >> 3 AA 2 >> 4 AA 3 >> 5 BB 1 >> >> >> Query: >> >> patient B(%) >> AA 25 >> >> How can i do this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Pedro >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From pedro at plex.nl Mon Jul 13 12:18:49 2009 From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:18:49 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] calculation References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net><0AFA87E11A584056B9AC3D9FD7057E26@danwaters><007d01ca03c8$76d95ea0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Message-ID: <000f01ca03dd$fc9bdfd0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Hello Drew, tougher as it looks, but your query did the trick. Thanks. Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > This should do what you want: > > SELECT T1.Patient, T1.B, (SELECT Count(*) FROM tblPatients WHERE > Patient=T1.Patient AND B=T1.B)/(SELECT Count(*) FROM tblPatients WHERE > Patient=T1.Patient)*100 & "%" AS Percentage > FROM tblPatients AS T1 > GROUP BY T1.Patient, T1.B; > > I made your table (with ID, Patient, B as the fields) and called it > tblPatient. > > Drew > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:45 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > Hello Dan, and others. > > i haven't got an query equation jet, > i can't seem to manage the group by calculation. > > How i get 25% > > Patient AA has 4 test (ID 1 to 4) > One of these has Value B=3. > > calculation: 1 : 4 = 0,25 x 100% = 25% > > Pedro > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Waters" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > >> Pedro, >> >> Can you post your equation? I can't see how to get 25%. >> >> Also - what is B3? >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > pedro at plex.nl >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:55 PM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [AccessD] calculation >> >> Hello Group, >> >> i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for > the >> total of numbers of B. >> >> The table that is have: >> >> ID patient B >> 1 AA 1 >> 2 AA 1 >> 3 AA 2 >> 4 AA 3 >> 5 BB 1 >> >> >> Query: >> >> patient B(%) >> AA 25 >> >> How can i do this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Pedro >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI > Business > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic > or hard copy. > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, > dissemination, > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information > by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 13 12:54:00 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:54:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] calculation In-Reply-To: References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net><0AFA87E11A584056B9AC3D9FD7057E26@danwaters><007d01ca03c8$76d95ea0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Message-ID: <7502F81D04B54F479237F484C32DAAE3@HAL9005> Will that count just the occurrences of test score = 3? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:57 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation This should do what you want: SELECT T1.Patient, T1.B, (SELECT Count(*) FROM tblPatients WHERE Patient=T1.Patient AND B=T1.B)/(SELECT Count(*) FROM tblPatients WHERE Patient=T1.Patient)*100 & "%" AS Percentage FROM tblPatients AS T1 GROUP BY T1.Patient, T1.B; I made your table (with ID, Patient, B as the fields) and called it tblPatient. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:45 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation Hello Dan, and others. i haven't got an query equation jet, i can't seem to manage the group by calculation. How i get 25% Patient AA has 4 test (ID 1 to 4) One of these has Value B=3. calculation: 1 : 4 = 0,25 x 100% = 25% Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > Pedro, > > Can you post your equation? I can't see how to get 25%. > > Also - what is B3? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:55 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] calculation > > Hello Group, > > i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the > total of numbers of B. > > The table that is have: > > ID patient B > 1 AA 1 > 2 AA 1 > 3 AA 2 > 4 AA 3 > 5 BB 1 > > > Query: > > patient B(%) > AA 25 > > How can i do this? > > Thanks > > Pedro > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com Mon Jul 13 13:00:33 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:00:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] calculation In-Reply-To: <000e01ca03d9$66f74c70$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net><0AFA87E11A584056B9AC3D9FD7057E26@danwaters><007d01ca03c8$76d95ea0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> <29B1B8C798F84AFB8921A7A8C2977CFF@HAL9005> <000e01ca03d9$66f74c70$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Message-ID: Well that hardly surprises me! :-) Off the top of my head rarely makes it! Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:46 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation Hello Rocky, yes, for each patient the percent of the total number of tests scored a 3. The query Lambert gave, doesn't work. Thanks Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > OIC. You want to know for each patient what percent of the total number > of > tests scored a 3? > > Rocky > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:45 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > Hello Dan, and others. > > i haven't got an query equation jet, > i can't seem to manage the group by calculation. > > How i get 25% > > Patient AA has 4 test (ID 1 to 4) > One of these has Value B=3. > > calculation: 1 : 4 = 0,25 x 100% = 25% > > Pedro > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Waters" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > >> Pedro, >> >> Can you post your equation? I can't see how to get 25%. >> >> Also - what is B3? >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:55 PM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [AccessD] calculation >> >> Hello Group, >> >> i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the >> total of numbers of B. >> >> The table that is have: >> >> ID patient B >> 1 AA 1 >> 2 AA 1 >> 3 AA 2 >> 4 AA 3 >> 5 BB 1 >> >> >> Query: >> >> patient B(%) >> AA 25 >> >> How can i do this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Pedro >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jul 13 13:34:50 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:34:50 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] calculation In-Reply-To: <000601ca03dd$3d9d1180$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net>, <000601ca03dd$3d9d1180$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Message-ID: <4A5B7E4A.10606.3CE6CE27@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I missed a closing quote after the 3. Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = 3") / Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "') * 100 Group by Patient; On 13 Jul 2009 at 19:13, Pedro Janssen wrote: > Hello Stuart, > > i called my Table Test, but i get syntaxerrors (operator is missing). > > Which is missing? > > Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = 3) / > Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "') * 100 Group by Patient; > > > Pedro > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:34 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > > > Select Patient,Dcount("*","myTable","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = > > 3) / > > Dcount("*","myTable",Patient = '" & Patient & "'") * 100 Group by Patient > > > > > > > > On 13 Jul 2009 at 15:55, pedro at plex.nl wrote: > > > >> Hello Group, > >> > >> i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the > >> total of numbers of B. > >> > >> The table that is have: > >> > >> ID patient B > >> 1 AA 1 > >> 2 AA 1 > >> 3 AA 2 > >> 4 AA 3 > >> 5 BB 1 > >> > >> > >> Query: > >> > >> patient B(%) > >> AA 25 > >> > >> How can i do this? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Pedro > >> > >> > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From pedro at plex.nl Mon Jul 13 13:54:24 2009 From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:54:24 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] calculation References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net><0AFA87E11A584056B9AC3D9FD7057E26@danwaters><007d01ca03c8$76d95ea0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> <7502F81D04B54F479237F484C32DAAE3@HAL9005> Message-ID: <002801ca03eb$57265bd0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Rocky, it will give all the occurences of B. Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > Will that count just the occurrences of test score = 3? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:57 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > This should do what you want: > > SELECT T1.Patient, T1.B, (SELECT Count(*) FROM tblPatients WHERE > Patient=T1.Patient AND B=T1.B)/(SELECT Count(*) FROM tblPatients WHERE > Patient=T1.Patient)*100 & "%" AS Percentage FROM tblPatients AS T1 GROUP > BY > T1.Patient, T1.B; > > I made your table (with ID, Patient, B as the fields) and called it > tblPatient. > > Drew > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:45 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > Hello Dan, and others. > > i haven't got an query equation jet, > i can't seem to manage the group by calculation. > > How i get 25% > > Patient AA has 4 test (ID 1 to 4) > One of these has Value B=3. > > calculation: 1 : 4 = 0,25 x 100% = 25% > > Pedro > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Waters" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > >> Pedro, >> >> Can you post your equation? I can't see how to get 25%. >> >> Also - what is B3? >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > pedro at plex.nl >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:55 PM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [AccessD] calculation >> >> Hello Group, >> >> i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for > the >> total of numbers of B. >> >> The table that is have: >> >> ID patient B >> 1 AA 1 >> 2 AA 1 >> 3 AA 2 >> 4 AA 3 >> 5 BB 1 >> >> >> Query: >> >> patient B(%) >> AA 25 >> >> How can i do this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Pedro >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI > Business > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic > or > hard copy. > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, > dissemination, > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information > by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From pedro at plex.nl Mon Jul 13 13:57:53 2009 From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:57:53 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] calculation References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net>, <000601ca03dd$3d9d1180$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> <4A5B7E4A.10606.3CE6CE27@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <002f01ca03eb$d3c79230$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Hello Stuart, even with this and a lot of other quotes and other things that i tried, i receive syntaxerrors. Don't bother, Drew's solution is working. Thanks Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation >I missed a closing quote after the 3. > > Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = > 3") / > Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "') * 100 Group by Patient; > > > > On 13 Jul 2009 at 19:13, Pedro Janssen wrote: > >> Hello Stuart, >> >> i called my Table Test, but i get syntaxerrors (operator is missing). >> >> Which is missing? >> >> Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = >> 3) / >> Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "') * 100 Group by >> Patient; >> >> >> Pedro >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stuart McLachlan" >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" >> >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation >> >> >> > Select Patient,Dcount("*","myTable","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B >> > = >> > 3) / >> > Dcount("*","myTable",Patient = '" & Patient & "'") * 100 Group by >> > Patient >> > >> > >> > >> > On 13 Jul 2009 at 15:55, pedro at plex.nl wrote: >> > >> >> Hello Group, >> >> >> >> i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for >> >> the >> >> total of numbers of B. >> >> >> >> The table that is have: >> >> >> >> ID patient B >> >> 1 AA 1 >> >> 2 AA 1 >> >> 3 AA 2 >> >> 4 AA 3 >> >> 5 BB 1 >> >> >> >> >> >> Query: >> >> >> >> patient B(%) >> >> AA 25 >> >> >> >> How can i do this? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Pedro >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AccessD mailing list >> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Jul 13 14:29:18 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:29:18 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] calculation In-Reply-To: <7502F81D04B54F479237F484C32DAAE3@HAL9005> References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net><0AFA87E11A584056B9AC3D9FD7057E26@danwaters><007d01ca03c8$76d95ea0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> <7502F81D04B54F479237F484C32DAAE3@HAL9005> Message-ID: No, it'll count everything. So you end up with a list of Grouped by Patients and field 'B', with a Third Column giving the percentage. So with the test data of: (I added a few more rows) ID Patient B 1 AA 1 2 AA 1 3 AA 2 4 AA 3 5 BB 1 6 AA 4 7 BB 2 That query returns: Patient B Percentage AA 1 40% AA 2 20% AA 3 20% AA 4 20% BB 1 50% BB 2 50% Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:54 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation Will that count just the occurrences of test score = 3? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:57 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation This should do what you want: SELECT T1.Patient, T1.B, (SELECT Count(*) FROM tblPatients WHERE Patient=T1.Patient AND B=T1.B)/(SELECT Count(*) FROM tblPatients WHERE Patient=T1.Patient)*100 & "%" AS Percentage FROM tblPatients AS T1 GROUP BY T1.Patient, T1.B; I made your table (with ID, Patient, B as the fields) and called it tblPatient. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:45 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation Hello Dan, and others. i haven't got an query equation jet, i can't seem to manage the group by calculation. How i get 25% Patient AA has 4 test (ID 1 to 4) One of these has Value B=3. calculation: 1 : 4 = 0,25 x 100% = 25% Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > Pedro, > > Can you post your equation? I can't see how to get 25%. > > Also - what is B3? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:55 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] calculation > > Hello Group, > > i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the > total of numbers of B. > > The table that is have: > > ID patient B > 1 AA 1 > 2 AA 1 > 3 AA 2 > 4 AA 3 > 5 BB 1 > > > Query: > > patient B(%) > AA 25 > > How can i do this? > > Thanks > > Pedro > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From pedro at plex.nl Mon Jul 13 14:37:02 2009 From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:37:02 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] calculation References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net><0AFA87E11A584056B9AC3D9FD7057E26@danwaters><007d01ca03c8$76d95ea0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9><7502F81D04B54F479237F484C32DAAE3@HAL9005> Message-ID: <007401ca03f1$4b8528a0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> An extra criteria at B "3" wil give me the B3 percentages. Best Wishes Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > No, it'll count everything. So you end up with a list of Grouped by > Patients and field 'B', with a Third Column giving the percentage. > > So with the test data of: (I added a few more rows) > > ID Patient B > 1 AA 1 > 2 AA 1 > 3 AA 2 > 4 AA 3 > 5 BB 1 > 6 AA 4 > 7 BB 2 > > That query returns: > > Patient B Percentage > AA 1 40% > AA 2 20% > AA 3 20% > AA 4 20% > BB 1 50% > BB 2 50% > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:54 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > Will that count just the occurrences of test score = 3? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:57 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > This should do what you want: > > SELECT T1.Patient, T1.B, (SELECT Count(*) FROM tblPatients WHERE > Patient=T1.Patient AND B=T1.B)/(SELECT Count(*) FROM tblPatients WHERE > Patient=T1.Patient)*100 & "%" AS Percentage FROM tblPatients AS T1 GROUP > BY > T1.Patient, T1.B; > > I made your table (with ID, Patient, B as the fields) and called it > tblPatient. > > Drew > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:45 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > Hello Dan, and others. > > i haven't got an query equation jet, > i can't seem to manage the group by calculation. > > How i get 25% > > Patient AA has 4 test (ID 1 to 4) > One of these has Value B=3. > > calculation: 1 : 4 = 0,25 x 100% = 25% > > Pedro > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Waters" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > >> Pedro, >> >> Can you post your equation? I can't see how to get 25%. >> >> Also - what is B3? >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > pedro at plex.nl >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:55 PM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [AccessD] calculation >> >> Hello Group, >> >> i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for > the >> total of numbers of B. >> >> The table that is have: >> >> ID patient B >> 1 AA 1 >> 2 AA 1 >> 3 AA 2 >> 4 AA 3 >> 5 BB 1 >> >> >> Query: >> >> patient B(%) >> AA 25 >> >> How can i do this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Pedro >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI > Business > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please > contact > the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic > or > hard copy. > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, > dissemination, > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this > information > by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI > Business > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic > or hard copy. > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, > dissemination, > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information > by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jul 13 15:33:34 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:33:34 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] calculation Message-ID: - and Pedro left out another one ...: Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = 3") / Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "'") * 100 Group by Patient; /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 13-07-2009 20:34 >>> I missed a closing quote after the 3. Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = 3") / Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "') * 100 Group by Patient; On 13 Jul 2009 at 19:13, Pedro Janssen wrote: > Hello Stuart, > > i called my Table Test, but i get syntaxerrors (operator is missing). > > Which is missing? > > Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = 3) / > Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "') * 100 Group by Patient; > > > Pedro > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:34 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > > > Select Patient,Dcount("*","myTable","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = > > 3) / > > Dcount("*","myTable",Patient = '" & Patient & "'") * 100 Group by Patient > > > > > > > > On 13 Jul 2009 at 15:55, pedro at plex.nl wrote: > > > >> Hello Group, > >> > >> i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the > >> total of numbers of B. > >> > >> The table that is have: > >> > >> ID patient B > >> 1 AA 1 > >> 2 AA 1 > >> 3 AA 2 > >> 4 AA 3 > >> 5 BB 1 > >> > >> > >> Query: > >> > >> patient B(%) > >> AA 25 > >> > >> How can i do this? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Pedro From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 13 16:55:48 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:55:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Message-ID: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> Dear List: My son is taking a Java class over the summer. So of course he wants to work on it at home as well. What does he need? A compiler? An IDE? A development suite? Is it developed in a browser? A text editor like HTML? I know nothing about Java. MTIA Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 13 16:58:37 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:58:37 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler In-Reply-To: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> References: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> Message-ID: Should have asked the 'net first. I think this is what he needs: http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Dear List: My son is taking a Java class over the summer. So of course he wants to work on it at home as well. What does he need? A compiler? An IDE? A development suite? Is it developed in a browser? A text editor like HTML? I know nothing about Java. MTIA Rocky From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 13 18:08:31 2009 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:08:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler In-Reply-To: References: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> Message-ID: Rocky, I believe there are 2 types of Java, Java script and Java Programming, like there are vb Scripts and then vb 6 etc. If he is programming in Java then he should probably find out what the instructor uses or recommends. Here is a URL to several IDE's that may help. http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/java/IDEs.html HTH Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:58 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Should have asked the 'net first. I think this is what he needs: http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Dear List: My son is taking a Java class over the summer. So of course he wants to work on it at home as well. What does he need? A compiler? An IDE? A development suite? Is it developed in a browser? A text editor like HTML? I know nothing about Java. MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 13 18:14:17 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:14:17 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler In-Reply-To: References: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> Message-ID: <816B2AB5E4354D8FB0CDA56AC60B04D4@HAL9005> Thanks Bill. I'll forward. Apparently they're using Eclipse as an IDE and that's a free download so he's grabbing that. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Rocky, I believe there are 2 types of Java, Java script and Java Programming, like there are vb Scripts and then vb 6 etc. If he is programming in Java then he should probably find out what the instructor uses or recommends. Here is a URL to several IDE's that may help. http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/java/IDEs.html HTH Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:58 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Should have asked the 'net first. I think this is what he needs: http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Dear List: My son is taking a Java class over the summer. So of course he wants to work on it at home as well. What does he need? A compiler? An IDE? A development suite? Is it developed in a browser? A text editor like HTML? I know nothing about Java. MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 13 18:16:47 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:16:47 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler In-Reply-To: References: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> Message-ID: So at the expense of getting too far OT - what is Java for? We all know what the app area is for Access - business dbs - and .Net for web-based stuff. What's the application area for Java? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Rocky, I believe there are 2 types of Java, Java script and Java Programming, like there are vb Scripts and then vb 6 etc. If he is programming in Java then he should probably find out what the instructor uses or recommends. Here is a URL to several IDE's that may help. http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/java/IDEs.html HTH Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:58 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Should have asked the 'net first. I think this is what he needs: http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Dear List: My son is taking a Java class over the summer. So of course he wants to work on it at home as well. What does he need? A compiler? An IDE? A development suite? Is it developed in a browser? A text editor like HTML? I know nothing about Java. MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Mon Jul 13 18:32:50 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:32:50 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler In-Reply-To: References: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D0C0@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Hi Rocky Maybe start here: http://www.java.com/en/about/ cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2009 9:17 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler So at the expense of getting too far OT - what is Java for? We all know what the app area is for Access - business dbs - and .Net for web-based stuff. What's the application area for Java? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Rocky, I believe there are 2 types of Java, Java script and Java Programming, like there are vb Scripts and then vb 6 etc. If he is programming in Java then he should probably find out what the instructor uses or recommends. Here is a URL to several IDE's that may help. http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/java/IDEs.html HTH Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:58 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Should have asked the 'net first. I think this is what he needs: http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Dear List: My son is taking a Java class over the summer. So of course he wants to work on it at home as well. What does he need? A compiler? An IDE? A development suite? Is it developed in a browser? A text editor like HTML? I know nothing about Java. MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 13 18:35:24 2009 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:35:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler In-Reply-To: References: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> Message-ID: <20798CFB1347415498035B95433D86A7@BPCS> I believe it is similar to c# and runs in many platforms and is loved by Microsoft haters among others. I saw a demo of it at a User Group meeting last year and it seemed pretty good. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:16 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler So at the expense of getting too far OT - what is Java for? We all know what the app area is for Access - business dbs - and .Net for web-based stuff. What's the application area for Java? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Rocky, I believe there are 2 types of Java, Java script and Java Programming, like there are vb Scripts and then vb 6 etc. If he is programming in Java then he should probably find out what the instructor uses or recommends. Here is a URL to several IDE's that may help. http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/java/IDEs.html HTH Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:58 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Should have asked the 'net first. I think this is what he needs: http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Dear List: My son is taking a Java class over the summer. So of course he wants to work on it at home as well. What does he need? A compiler? An IDE? A development suite? Is it developed in a browser? A text editor like HTML? I know nothing about Java. MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From krosenstiel at comcast.net Mon Jul 13 19:30:13 2009 From: krosenstiel at comcast.net (Karen Rosenstiel) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:30:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler In-Reply-To: References: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> Message-ID: <02B6ACAD229C4DD49A501E570430C71F@bigmama> Java Script is NOT connected to Java -- 2 different animals altogether. Regards, Karen Rosenstiel Seattle WA USA -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Rocky, I believe there are 2 types of Java, Java script and Java Programming, like there are vb Scripts and then vb 6 etc. If he is programming in Java then he should probably find out what the instructor uses or recommends. Here is a URL to several IDE's that may help. http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/java/IDEs.html HTH Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:58 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Should have asked the 'net first. I think this is what he needs: http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Dear List: My son is taking a Java class over the summer. So of course he wants to work on it at home as well. What does he need? A compiler? An IDE? A development suite? Is it developed in a browser? A text editor like HTML? I know nothing about Java. MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From krosenstiel at comcast.net Mon Jul 13 19:57:13 2009 From: krosenstiel at comcast.net (Karen Rosenstiel) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:57:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D0C0@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D0C0@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <4558A821F3B2476894AC62B2A346A496@bigmama> Rocky, I'll send you a powerpoint project on your email address that I did a few years ago when I was studying to be a computer technician. nothing profound, just a quickie outline about Java. Any Me Too's? Regards, Karen Rosenstiel Seattle WA USA -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2009 9:17 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler So at the expense of getting too far OT - what is Java for? We all know what the app area is for Access - business dbs - and .Net for web-based stuff. What's the application area for Java? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Rocky, I believe there are 2 types of Java, Java script and Java Programming, like there are vb Scripts and then vb 6 etc. If he is programming in Java then he should probably find out what the instructor uses or recommends. Here is a URL to several IDE's that may help. http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/java/IDEs.html HTH Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:58 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Should have asked the 'net first. I think this is what he needs: http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Dear List: My son is taking a Java class over the summer. So of course he wants to work on it at home as well. What does he need? A compiler? An IDE? A development suite? Is it developed in a browser? A text editor like HTML? I know nothing about Java. MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 20:37:48 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:37:48 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler In-Reply-To: References: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> Message-ID: It's the Primary programming language for working within Oracle databases now a days. It's what my company mostly uses fpr it's ERP systems.. GK On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So at the expense of getting too far OT - what is Java for? ?We all know > what the app area is for Access - business dbs - and .Net for web-based > stuff. ?What's the application area for Java? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:09 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler > > Rocky, > > I believe there are 2 types of Java, Java script ?and Java Programming, like > there are vb Scripts and then vb 6 etc. If he is programming in Java then he > should probably find out what the instructor uses or recommends. Here is a > URL to several IDE's that may help. > > > http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/java/IDEs.html > > HTH > > Bill > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:58 PM > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler > > Should have asked the 'net first. I think this is what he needs: > http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:56 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler > > Dear List: > > My son is taking a Java class over the summer. ?So of course he wants to > work on it at home as well. ?What does he need? ?A compiler? ?An IDE? ?A > development suite? ?Is it developed in a browser? ?A text editor like HTML? > I know nothing about Java. > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From mark at sdc-international.net Mon Jul 13 20:44:18 2009 From: mark at sdc-international.net (Mark Pullen) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:44:18 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler In-Reply-To: <4558A821F3B2476894AC62B2A346A496@bigmama> References: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005><57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC2720081C00D0C0@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4558A821F3B2476894AC62B2A346A496@bigmama> Message-ID: <974925BAA72241BDA855817372A6FC5E@SDCServer> Hi, Karen. Can I put my hand up as a Me Too. TIA. Mark. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen Rosenstiel Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2009 10:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Rocky, I'll send you a powerpoint project on your email address that I did a few years ago when I was studying to be a computer technician. nothing profound, just a quickie outline about Java. Any Me Too's? Regards, Karen Rosenstiel Seattle WA USA -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2009 9:17 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler So at the expense of getting too far OT - what is Java for? We all know what the app area is for Access - business dbs - and .Net for web-based stuff. What's the application area for Java? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Rocky, I believe there are 2 types of Java, Java script and Java Programming, like there are vb Scripts and then vb 6 etc. If he is programming in Java then he should probably find out what the instructor uses or recommends. Here is a URL to several IDE's that may help. http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/java/IDEs.html HTH Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:58 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Should have asked the 'net first. I think this is what he needs: http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Dear List: My son is taking a Java class over the summer. So of course he wants to work on it at home as well. What does he need? A compiler? An IDE? A development suite? Is it developed in a browser? A text editor like HTML? I know nothing about Java. MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.13/2236 - Release Date: 07/13/09 17:57:00 From j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk Tue Jul 14 04:37:02 2009 From: j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk (John Porter) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:37:02 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler In-Reply-To: References: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> Message-ID: This is incorrect. Despite its name, JavaScript (a client side Web scripting language) is unrelated to Java. John R. Porter IT Services University of Strathclyde Jordanhill Campus 86 Southbrae Drive Glasgow G13 1PP e-mail: j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk Tel.: 0141 950 3289 The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC015263 -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: 14 July 2009 00:09 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Rocky, I believe there are 2 types of Java, Java script and Java Programming, like there are vb Scripts and then vb 6 etc. If he is programming in Java then he should probably find out what the instructor uses or recommends. Here is a URL to several IDE's that may help. http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/java/IDEs.html HTH Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:58 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Should have asked the 'net first. I think this is what he needs: http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Dear List: My son is taking a Java class over the summer. So of course he wants to work on it at home as well. What does he need? A compiler? An IDE? A development suite? Is it developed in a browser? A text editor like HTML? I know nothing about Java. MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Tue Jul 14 05:40:09 2009 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:40:09 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] FYI: SQL and Relational Theory, 1st Edition by C.J. Date, January 2009 Message-ID: <009201ca046f$774daa60$65e8ff20$@spb.ru> Hi All, Here is the new book from C.J.Date: SQL and Relational Theory, 1st Edition by C.J. Date January 2009 ISBN-10: 0-596-52306-8 http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596523060/ "Understanding SQL's underlying theory is the best way to guarantee that your SQL code is correct and your database schema is robust and maintainable. In SQL and Relational Theory, author C.J. Date demonstrates how you can apply relational theory directly to your use of SQL, with numerous examples and clear explanations of the reasoning behind them. Anyone with a modest to advanced background in SQL will benefit from the many insights in this book." -- Shamil From pedro at plex.nl Tue Jul 14 08:06:02 2009 From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:06:02 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] calculation References: Message-ID: <001601ca0483$d6f04d60$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Hello Gustav, yu have a great look. Indeed there was one after the second '" & Patient &. But i still receive a syntaxerror, operator is missing. Then group is selected. Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation >- and Pedro left out another one ...: > > Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = > 3") / > Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "'") * 100 Group by > Patient; > > /gustav > > >>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 13-07-2009 20:34 >>> > I missed a closing quote after the 3. > > Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = > 3") / > Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "') * 100 Group by Patient; > > On 13 Jul 2009 at 19:13, Pedro Janssen wrote: > >> Hello Stuart, >> >> i called my Table Test, but i get syntaxerrors (operator is missing). >> >> Which is missing? >> >> Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = >> 3) / >> Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "') * 100 Group by >> Patient; >> >> >> Pedro >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stuart McLachlan" >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" >> >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation >> >> >> > Select Patient,Dcount("*","myTable","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B >> > = >> > 3) / >> > Dcount("*","myTable",Patient = '" & Patient & "'") * 100 Group by >> > Patient >> > >> > >> > >> > On 13 Jul 2009 at 15:55, pedro at plex.nl wrote: >> > >> >> Hello Group, >> >> >> >> i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for >> >> the >> >> total of numbers of B. >> >> >> >> The table that is have: >> >> >> >> ID patient B >> >> 1 AA 1 >> >> 2 AA 1 >> >> 3 AA 2 >> >> 4 AA 3 >> >> 5 BB 1 >> >> >> >> >> >> Query: >> >> >> >> patient B(%) >> >> AA 25 >> >> >> >> How can i do this? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Pedro > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Tue Jul 14 11:01:46 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:01:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Mni SubQuery Tutorial WAS RE: calculation In-Reply-To: <007401ca03f1$4b8528a0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> References: <200907131355.n6DDt4DN020636@mailhostC.plex.net><0AFA87E11A584056B9AC3D9FD7057E26@danwaters><007d01ca03c8$76d95ea0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9><7502F81D04B54F479237F484C32DAAE3@HAL9005> <007401ca03f1$4b8528a0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Message-ID: I was a little short on time yesterday, but I was going to explain how my solution to this worked from a subquery point of view. Subqueries are very handy tools, so here is a little more detail on how to use one in this particular scenario: First, we had a table design of ID(Long), Patient(Text), and B(Long). Sample Data: ID Patient B 1 AA 1 2 AA 1 3 AA 2 4 AA 3 5 BB 1 6 AA 4 7 BB 2 What we are looking for, is a breakdown of how Patient to B groups in percentages. (So we need a count of how many records per patient, and how many records of a B record (per patient)). To get either one, is simply a Count in a Totals query: SELECT Patient, B, Count(B) AS CountOfB FROM tblPatients GROUP BY Patient, B; Would return: AA 1 2 AA 2 1 AA 3 1 AA 4 1 BB 1 1 BB 2 1 But to know the percentage of each B value, with the patient subset, we need a count of how many records there are per patient. A subquery does this just fine: First, we will need to pass data from the main query to the subquery, to do this, you must Alias the table in the main query. (In design view, right click the table and select properties, and then change the Alias to T1). Then, in a field, we can put in a new field (going step by step here): (SELECT Count(*) FROM tblPatients WHERE Patient=T1.Patient) Add this to the query above, and the resulting data set is (in a Totals query, you will need to set this field as an Expression): AA 1 2 5 AA 2 1 5 AA 3 1 5 AA 4 1 5 BB 1 1 2 BB 2 1 2 So what is happening, is that we are running another query, inside our main query (ie, a subquery), and as part of the criteria, we are feeding it T1.Patient, which is the current patient value in the current field of the root query. (So the subquery runs for each record returned by the main query, using the values from each recored wherever the alias (in this case T1) is used the subquery). Whalla, now to get a percentage, we just have to combine the last two fields with a little math: SELECT Patient, B, Count(B)/ (SELECT Count(*) FROM tblPatients WHERE Patient=T1.Patient)*100 AS Percentage FROM tblPatients AS T1 GROUP BY Patient, B; I believe my initial solution used 2 subqueries, instead of just Count(B) for the first part. But now our resulting data is: AA 1 40 AA 2 20 AA 3 20 AA 4 20 BB 1 50 BB 2 50 Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation An extra criteria at B "3" wil give me the B3 percentages. Best Wishes Pedro The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jul 14 11:16:48 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:16:48 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] calculation Message-ID: Hi Pedro You need as well to finish the SQL statement to include your tablename: Select Patient, Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = 3") / Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "'") * 100 As Percentage_B3 From tblYourTable Group by Patient; /gustav >>> pedro at plex.nl 14-07-2009 15:06:02 >>> Hello Gustav, yu have a great look. Indeed there was one after the second '" & Patient &. But i still receive a syntaxerror, operator is missing. Then group is selected. Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation >- and Pedro left out another one ...: > > Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = 3") / > Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "'") * 100 Group by Patient; > > /gustav > > >>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 13-07-2009 20:34 >>> > I missed a closing quote after the 3. > > Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = 3") / > Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "') * 100 Group by Patient; > > On 13 Jul 2009 at 19:13, Pedro Janssen wrote: > >> Hello Stuart, >> >> i called my Table Test, but i get syntaxerrors (operator is missing). >> >> Which is missing? >> >> Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = 3) / >> Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "') * 100 Group by Patient; >> >> >> Pedro >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stuart McLachlan" >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" >> >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation >> >> >> > Select Patient,Dcount("*","myTable","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = 3) / >> > Dcount("*","myTable",Patient = '" & Patient & "'") * 100 Group by Patient >> > >> > >> > On 13 Jul 2009 at 15:55, pedro at plex.nl wrote: >> > >> >> Hello Group, >> >> >> >> i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for the >> >> total of numbers of B. >> >> >> >> The table that is have: >> >> >> >> ID patient B >> >> 1 AA 1 >> >> 2 AA 1 >> >> 3 AA 2 >> >> 4 AA 3 >> >> 5 BB 1 >> >> >> >> >> >> Query: >> >> >> >> patient B(%) >> >> AA 25 >> >> >> >> How can i do this? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Pedro From pedro at plex.nl Tue Jul 14 11:44:47 2009 From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:44:47 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] calculation References: Message-ID: <001501ca04a2$662b5790$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Gustav, how stupid can i be. I just pasted the sql into query, without any thoughts about it. Sorry, the only excuse that i have is time........ Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > Hi Pedro > > You need as well to finish the SQL statement to include your tablename: > > Select > Patient, > Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = 3") / > Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "'") * 100 As > Percentage_B3 > From > tblYourTable > Group by > Patient; > > /gustav > > >>>> pedro at plex.nl 14-07-2009 15:06:02 >>> > Hello Gustav, > > yu have a great look. > Indeed there was one after the second '" & Patient &. > But i still receive a syntaxerror, operator is missing. Then group > is > selected. > > Pedro > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:33 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation > > >>- and Pedro left out another one ...: >> >> Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = >> 3") / >> Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "'") * 100 Group by >> Patient; >> >> /gustav >> >> >>>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 13-07-2009 20:34 >>> >> I missed a closing quote after the 3. >> >> Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = >> 3") / >> Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "') * 100 Group by >> Patient; >> >> On 13 Jul 2009 at 19:13, Pedro Janssen wrote: >> >>> Hello Stuart, >>> >>> i called my Table Test, but i get syntaxerrors (operator is missing). >>> >>> Which is missing? >>> >>> Select Patient,Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B = >>> 3) / >>> Dcount("*","[Test]","Patient = '" & Patient & "') * 100 Group by >>> Patient; >>> >>> >>> Pedro >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Stuart McLachlan" >>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] calculation >>> >>> >>> > Select Patient,Dcount("*","myTable","Patient = '" & Patient & "' AND B >>> > = 3) / >>> > Dcount("*","myTable",Patient = '" & Patient & "'") * 100 Group by >>> > Patient >>> > >>> > >>> > On 13 Jul 2009 at 15:55, pedro at plex.nl wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hello Group, >>> >> >>> >> i need to calculate the percentage(%) of the value B3 in access for >>> >> the >>> >> total of numbers of B. >>> >> >>> >> The table that is have: >>> >> >>> >> ID patient B >>> >> 1 AA 1 >>> >> 2 AA 1 >>> >> 3 AA 2 >>> >> 4 AA 3 >>> >> 5 BB 1 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Query: >>> >> >>> >> patient B(%) >>> >> AA 25 >>> >> >>> >> How can i do this? >>> >> >>> >> Thanks >>> >> >>> >> Pedro > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From adtp at airtelmail.in Tue Jul 14 12:32:14 2009 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:02:14 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Access to Excel Automation works first time References: <0A05A7F2EC394A19BEC06D19A7CCF3F3@HAL9005> <52B4BC8E9BE849E2ADDF09CD9B340A13@HAL9005> Message-ID: <005b01ca04a9$7b224cb0$b45ea27a@personald6374f> J?rgen, If the problem is still persisting, it might be desirable for you to go through each line of code and make sure that there is no term native to excel that has been used without an explicit object qualifier. For example: 1 - Excel constant xlLineMarkers in following statement should be replaced by its literal value. oxlCht.ChartType = xlLineMarkers 2 - In the statement starting with oxlCht.SetSourceData, the portion Sheets("Data") should be replaced by oxlApp.Sheets("Data") 3 - In the same statement, xlColumns should be replaced by its actual value. You might like to check all other statements on similar lines. In addition, modifications to exit code, as suggested by Paul in his post of 13-Jul-2009, should be incorporated so as to ensure proper closing (where relevant) and setting to nothing of all excel related objects followed by quitting of excel application and setting it to nothing. Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jurgen Welz To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:25 Subject: [AccessD] Access to Excel Automation works first time I've run into an Excel automation problem. It seems like one of those nagging failure to release an object reference problems. What happens is, the first time I run the code, it works perfectly. If I call the procedure a second time, it errors. If I then close the Access application, reopen it and then try the code again, it triggers the error. If I close the access application by running End and then Quit from the immediate window, the code again works the first time I try it after reopening the Access application. The code worked perfectly until I added some cleaned up Excel macro recorder code to the Access code that inserted a chart. If I comment out the chart code, the automation code runs correctly every time. The code uses a preformatted Excel template and writes a table of information to sheet 2 and then diplays a table based on that data on the first sheet. Every object that uses a set statement is set to nothing in the ExitRoutine portion of the error handler in the code. I can only assume there is some implicit instantiation of an Excel object that I'm not seeing. Excerpted below, skipping the part that writes the data, is the part of the code that blows up on the 4 th line below where the Source of chart data is set by calling the SetSourceData method of the Chart object variable. I tried it with a workbook chart object as well as the application chart object and it errors at the same point. I also replaces all the oxlApp.ActiveChart with: With oxlCht and with: With oxlapp.ActiveChart versions of the code. Same story every way I try it. The code works the first time and then there is an error message: Method 'SetSourceData' of object'_Chart' failed. By the way, I needed to decrease the margins in code because if I don't, a portion of the x axis labeling is cut off. If I insert the chart with the wider margins and decrease them in the code, the axis numbers are correctly visible. What am I missing to get this to run without forcing a code end/quit? Private Sub cmdCashFlowSummary_Click() On Error GoTo ErrorHandler Dim oxlApp As Excel.Application Dim oxlWkb As Excel.Workbook Dim oxlCht As Excel.Chart oxlApp.Sheets("Forecast").Activate Set oxlCht = oxlApp.Charts.Add oxlCht.ChartType = xlLineMarkers 'Need C3 to C28 but will delete SeriesCollection(1) oxlCht.SetSourceData Source:=Sheets("Data").Range("B3:C28"), PlotBy:= _ xlColumns 'get rid of the first series that sets the scale oxlCht.SeriesCollection(1).Delete oxlCht.SeriesCollection(1).XValues = "={""Weeks""}" oxlCht.SeriesCollection(1).Name = _ "=""Historical Percent Paid by Week After Invoice""" oxlCht.Location Where:=xlLocationAsObject, Name:="Forecast" oxlApp.ActiveChart.HasTitle = True oxlApp.ActiveChart.ChartTitle.Characters.Text = "Percent Paid by Week After Invoice" oxlApp.ActiveChart.Axes(xlCategory, xlPrimary).HasTitle = False oxlApp.ActiveChart.Axes(xlValue, xlPrimary).HasTitle = False oxlApp.ActiveChart.Legend.Select oxlApp.Selection.Delete 'Shape object is the chart. Shapes(1) is logo oxlApp.ActiveSheet.Shapes(2).Top = 250 oxlApp.ActiveSheet.Shapes(2).Left = 0 oxlApp.ActiveSheet.Shapes(2).Width = 516 oxlApp.ActiveChart.SeriesCollection(1).XValues = "=Data!R3C2:R28C2" oxlApp.Range("A1").Select oxlApp.ActiveSheet.PageSetup.TopMargin = oxlApp.InchesToPoints(0.5) oxlApp.ActiveSheet.PageSetup.BottomMargin = oxlApp.InchesToPoints(0.5) ExitRoutine: On Error Resume Next r.Close Set r = Nothing oxlApp.Visible = True Set oxlCht = Nothing Set oxlWkb = Nothing Set oxlApp = Nothing Exit Sub ErrorHandler: With Err Select Case .Number Case Else MsgBox .Number & vbCrLf & .Description, vbInformation, "Error - " & _ "frmCashFlow.cmdCashFlowSummary_Click" End Select End With Resume 0 Resume ExitRoutine End Sub Ciao J?rgen Welz Edmonton, Alberta jwelz at hotmail.com From drcaa at click21.com.br Tue Jul 14 14:55:29 2009 From: drcaa at click21.com.br (drcaa at click21.com.br) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:55:29 -0300 Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Refer to a combobox Message-ID: <1247601329.4a5ce2b16e704@webmail8.click21.com.br> Hi folks! In a given form I created a combobox to read details of reports from a table. There are 3 fields: ID (autonumber), name of report and a description. I would like to have that description (3rd field) passed to a textbox when I choose a report from the list. Any help highly appreciated. TIA, -- **************************** * Carlos Alberto Alves * mailto:drcaa at click21.com.br * mailto:drcaa at predialnet.com.br **************************** ___________________________________________________________________________________ Para fazer uma liga??o DDD pra perto ou pra longe, faz um 21. A Embratel tem tarifas muito baratas esperando por voc?. Aproveite! From JHewson at nciinc.com Tue Jul 14 15:09:43 2009 From: JHewson at nciinc.com (Hewson, Jim ) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:09:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Refer to a combobox In-Reply-To: <1247601329.4a5ce2b16e704@webmail8.click21.com.br> References: <1247601329.4a5ce2b16e704@webmail8.click21.com.br> Message-ID: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE163@sanex101.nciinc.com> The quickest way is to use the DLookup domain function, that is, if you don't want to edit the text box. Then do a refresh of the form after the on-click event of the ComboBox. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of drcaa at click21.com.br Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:55 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Refer to a combobox Hi folks! In a given form I created a combobox to read details of reports from a table. There are 3 fields: ID (autonumber), name of report and a description. I would like to have that description (3rd field) passed to a textbox when I choose a report from the list. Any help highly appreciated. TIA, -- **************************** * Carlos Alberto Alves * mailto:drcaa at click21.com.br * mailto:drcaa at predialnet.com.br **************************** ___________________________________________________________________________________ Para fazer uma liga??o DDD pra perto ou pra longe, faz um 21. A Embratel tem tarifas muito baratas esperando por voc?. Aproveite! -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ################################################################################ If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender immediately and be aware that the use, copying, or dissemination of this information is prohibited. This email transmission contains information from NCI Information Systems, Inc. that may be considered privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the named recipient. ################################################################################ From pedro at plex.nl Tue Jul 14 15:11:00 2009 From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:11:00 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Refer to a combobox References: <1247601329.4a5ce2b16e704@webmail8.click21.com.br> Message-ID: <000601ca04bf$352c49c0$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Hi Carlos, fill the name of the combobox between the " " and set the Control Sorce of the textbox to ="nameCombobox".Column(2) Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:55 PM Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Refer to a combobox Hi folks! In a given form I created a combobox to read details of reports from a table. There are 3 fields: ID (autonumber), name of report and a description. I would like to have that description (3rd field) passed to a textbox when I choose a report from the list. Any help highly appreciated. TIA, -- **************************** * Carlos Alberto Alves * mailto:drcaa at click21.com.br * mailto:drcaa at predialnet.com.br **************************** ___________________________________________________________________________________ Para fazer uma liga??o DDD pra perto ou pra longe, faz um 21. A Embratel tem tarifas muito baratas esperando por voc?. Aproveite! -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com Tue Jul 14 15:16:59 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:16:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Refer to a combobox In-Reply-To: <1247601329.4a5ce2b16e704@webmail8.click21.com.br> References: <1247601329.4a5ce2b16e704@webmail8.click21.com.br> Message-ID: Using assume textbox and combo names, you just need one line of code in the combo's afterupdate event.... Private Sub Combo2_AfterUpdate() Text0 = Combo2.Column(2) End Sub Note that to columns property has a zero based index. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of drcaa at click21.com.br Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:55 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Refer to a combobox Hi folks! In a given form I created a combobox to read details of reports from a table. There are 3 fields: ID (autonumber), name of report and a description. I would like to have that description (3rd field) passed to a textbox when I choose a report from the list. Any help highly appreciated. TIA, -- **************************** * Carlos Alberto Alves * mailto:drcaa at click21.com.br * mailto:drcaa at predialnet.com.br **************************** ___________________________________________________________________________________ Para fazer uma liga??o DDD pra perto ou pra longe, faz um 21. A Embratel tem tarifas muito baratas esperando por voc?. Aproveite! -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jul 14 16:19:06 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:19:06 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] calculation Message-ID: Hi Pedro Don't be so hard on yourself! /gustav >>> pedro at plex.nl 14-07-2009 18:44 >>> Gustav, how stupid can i be. I just pasted the sql into query, without any thoughts about it. Sorry, the only excuse that i have is time........ Pedro From drcaa at click21.com.br Tue Jul 14 17:00:42 2009 From: drcaa at click21.com.br (drcaa at click21.com.br) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:00:42 -0300 Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Refer to a combobox Message-ID: <1247608842.4a5d000a62b9b@webmail5.click21.com.br> Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Using assume textbox and combo names, you just need one line of code in the combo's afterupdate event.... > > Private Sub Combo2_AfterUpdate() > Text0 = Combo2.Column(2) > End Sub > > Note that to columns property has a zero based index. > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of drcaa at click21.com.br > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:55 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] A2k - Refer to a combobox > > > Hi folks! > In a given form I created a combobox to read details of reports from a table. > There are 3 fields: ID (autonumber), name of report and a description. I would like to have that description (3rd field) passed to a textbox when I choose a report from the list. > Any help highly appreciated. Thanks for this and all other hints. I think this one will work fine. Thanks again for your prompt answers. **************************** * Carlos Alberto Alves * mailto:drcaa at click21.com.br * mailto:drcaa at predialnet.com.br **************************** ___________________________________________________________________________________ Para fazer uma liga??o DDD pra perto ou pra longe, faz um 21. A Embratel tem tarifas muito baratas esperando por voc?. Aproveite! From apg at alun.de Tue Jul 14 18:01:49 2009 From: apg at alun.de (Alun G) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:01:49 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler In-Reply-To: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> References: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4A5D0E5D.3060602@alun.de> hi rocky, try this IDE (and book) http://www.bluej.org/ along with sun jdk (the link for this has already been posted) (you have to install the jdk first as bluej is written in java) Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > My son is taking a Java class over the summer. So of course he wants to > work on it at home as well. What does he need? A compiler? An IDE? A > development suite? Is it developed in a browser? A text editor like HTML? > I know nothing about Java. > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 14 20:38:49 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:38:49 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler In-Reply-To: References: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> Message-ID: Rocky and Bill: JavaScript and Java are totally different languages. Their syntax is completely different... like comparing VBA to C++. One is a script language that runs on all browsers and Java is a full OOP compiled language with classes, inheritance etc. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Rocky, I believe there are 2 types of Java, Java script and Java Programming, like there are vb Scripts and then vb 6 etc. If he is programming in Java then he should probably find out what the instructor uses or recommends. Here is a URL to several IDE's that may help. http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/java/IDEs.html HTH Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:58 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Should have asked the 'net first. I think this is what he needs: http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler Dear List: My son is taking a Java class over the summer. So of course he wants to work on it at home as well. What does he need? A compiler? An IDE? A development suite? Is it developed in a browser? A text editor like HTML? I know nothing about Java. MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jul 14 21:30:14 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:30:14 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler In-Reply-To: <4A5D0E5D.3060602@alun.de> References: <666B9CC2381A4313B6D856610D86EDA3@HAL9005> <4A5D0E5D.3060602@alun.de> Message-ID: Thanks Alun - will forward. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Alun G Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Need Java Compiler hi rocky, try this IDE (and book) http://www.bluej.org/ along with sun jdk (the link for this has already been posted) (you have to install the jdk first as bluej is written in java) Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > My son is taking a Java class over the summer. So of course he wants > to work on it at home as well. What does he need? A compiler? An > IDE? A development suite? Is it developed in a browser? A text editor like HTML? > I know nothing about Java. > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Wed Jul 15 04:41:04 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:41:04 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply:Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply:Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply: Autoreply:Autoreply: Autoreply: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B1516067383426AB69168068C521932@stevePC> Hi everyone, With the greatest embarrassment, I most humbly apologise for messing up this list a few days ago, with this slanging match between my autoresponder and the list server. In too much of a hurry. I think I know what to do next time! Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary Kjos" Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 1:35 AM > Pretty funny Steve. You need to sent the "send out of office only > once" option on maybe? > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4245 (20090715) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From phpons at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 10:45:45 2009 From: phpons at gmail.com (philippe pons) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:45:45 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] A tricky query, for me! Message-ID: <57144ced0907150845n19e2b207k2e9db1bc6dd40270@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I have products that are grouped by categories. I consider the categories. There are 2 main groups of categories: 1-categories for hypermarket 2-categories for supermarket there is a set of categories that are in both groups. but they are also categories that are for hyper only and other for super only. I need to display both lists side by side, in an alphabetic order. But a further constraint(and this is where I need aspirin!): a single line must show the same category name. if a category does not exist in the other group, there must a blank in its cell. A simple question: I would you do that? TIA, Philippe From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 12:16:46 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:16:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] A tricky query, for me! In-Reply-To: <57144ced0907150845n19e2b207k2e9db1bc6dd40270@mail.gmail.com> References: <57144ced0907150845n19e2b207k2e9db1bc6dd40270@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I would create 4 queries. The first 3 are totals queries Query 1 just selects all the categories and groups by that. Query 2 selects only the hypermarket items including any that overlap with the supermarket items Query 3 selects only the supermarket items including any that overlap with the hypermarket items Query 4 pulls them all together. It's input are the first three queries with outer joins from query 1 to query 2 and from query 1 to query 3 both on the category field and both saying "give me all the records in query 1 even if there are no matches in query 2 or query 3" Then in the results grid of the query design screen you include the category name from query 2 and from query 3 and you should see them side by side with blanks on the side that doesn't apply for that category. If you want a the category to display for every line, use the one from query 1 too. I hope that makes sense. GK On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:45 AM, philippe pons wrote: > Hi all, > > I have products that are grouped by categories. > I consider the categories. > > There are 2 main groups of categories: > 1-categories for hypermarket > 2-categories for supermarket > > there is a set of categories that are in both groups. > but they are also categories that are for hyper only and other for super > only. > > I need to display both lists side by side, in an alphabetic order. > > But a further constraint(and this is where I need aspirin!): > a single line must show the same category name. > if a category does not exist in the other group, there must a blank in its > cell. > > A simple question: I would you do that? > > TIA, > > Philippe > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 12:20:40 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:20:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] A tricky query, for me! In-Reply-To: <57144ced0907150845n19e2b207k2e9db1bc6dd40270@mail.gmail.com> References: <57144ced0907150845n19e2b207k2e9db1bc6dd40270@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907151020h78da81ai779968d8e7fbe349@mail.gmail.com> Are you planning a design or do you already have it designed and need help displaying the data in a query? If you already have it designed, give us some table and field names. OTTOMH, I can think of something like this SELECT A.ProductID, A.ProductName, A.ProductDescription, H.CategoryName AS HyperMktCat, S.CategoryName AS SprMktCat FROM tblProducts A LEFT JOIN (SELECT ProductID, CategoryID, CategoryName FROM tblCategories WHERE CategoryType = "Hypermarket) AS H ON A.ProductID = H.ProductID LEFT JOIN (SELECT ProductID, CategoryID, CategoryName FROM tblCategories WHERE CategoryType = "Supermarket) AS S ON A.ProductID = S.ProductID On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:45 AM, philippe pons wrote: > Hi all, > > I have products that are grouped by categories. > I consider the categories. > > There are 2 main groups of categories: > 1-categories for hypermarket > 2-categories for supermarket > > there is a set of categories that are in both groups. > but they are also categories that are for hyper only and other for super > only. > > I need to display both lists side by side, in an alphabetic order. > > But a further constraint(and this is where I need aspirin!): > a single line must show the same category name. > if a category does not exist in the other group, there must a blank in its > cell. > > A simple question: I would you do that? > > TIA, > > Philippe > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 16:39:36 2009 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:39:36 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F428@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Well I have installed it today. Have only looked at the skin but what outside changes they have made I like. Access still looks like Access, have not looked deeply at it yet but the macro builder looks good VBG Main area I am looking at is how it all works with the web and SharePoint. There are nice integration features between the web and access that have been added and Office web apps seem to be useful along the line of Google docs etc. Will post more details as I look at it. If anyone has specific question please post and I will answer if not covered by the NDA. I think I can talk about the client side features but nothing on the server side yet. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The Library at Queen's Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 16:54:23 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:54:23 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F428@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F428@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907151454g27ac41f4u15e627e01126bf5f@mail.gmail.com> What about the stupid Ribbon? >:) On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Martin Reid wrote: > Well I have installed it today. Have only looked at the skin but what > outside changes they have made I like. Access still looks like Access, have > not looked deeply at it yet but the macro builder looks good VBG > > Main area I am looking at is how it all works with the web and SharePoint. > There are nice integration features between the web and access that have > been added and Office web apps seem to be useful along the line of Google > docs etc. > > Will post more details as I look at it. If anyone has specific question > please post and I will answer if not covered by the NDA. I think I can talk > about the client side features but nothing on the server side yet. > > Martin > From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 17:20:36 2009 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:20:36 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00907151454g27ac41f4u15e627e01126bf5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F428@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <8786a4c00907151454g27ac41f4u15e627e01126bf5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A5D2E3A6@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Still there Martin -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: 15 July 2009 22:54 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 What about the stupid Ribbon? >:) On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Martin Reid wrote: > Well I have installed it today. Have only looked at the skin but what > outside changes they have made I like. Access still looks like Access, > have not looked deeply at it yet but the macro builder looks good VBG > > Main area I am looking at is how it all works with the web and SharePoint. > There are nice integration features between the web and access that > have been added and Office web apps seem to be useful along the line > of Google docs etc. > > Will post more details as I look at it. If anyone has specific > question please post and I will answer if not covered by the NDA. I > think I can talk about the client side features but nothing on the server side yet. > > Martin > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Wed Jul 15 17:24:32 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:24:32 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A5D2E3A6@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F428@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk><8786a4c00907151454g27ac41f4u15e627e01126bf5f@mail.gmail.com> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A5D2E3A6@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Haven't they at least tied a bow in it?? Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 3:21 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 Still there Martin -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: 15 July 2009 22:54 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2010 What about the stupid Ribbon? >:) On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Martin Reid wrote: > Well I have installed it today. Have only looked at the skin but what > outside changes they have made I like. Access still looks like Access, > have not looked deeply at it yet but the macro builder looks good VBG > > Main area I am looking at is how it all works with the web and SharePoint. > There are nice integration features between the web and access that > have been added and Office web apps seem to be useful along the line > of Google docs etc. > > Will post more details as I look at it. If anyone has specific > question please post and I will answer if not covered by the NDA. I > think I can talk about the client side features but nothing on the server side yet. > > Martin > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Wed Jul 15 17:50:13 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:50:13 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F428@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk><8786a4c00907151454g27ac41f4u15e627e01126bf5f@mail.gmail.com><631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A5D2E3A6@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <84B8CA7F5B564EC6826038AB97D96C31@stevePC> Yes, they have. Improvements both cosmetic and functional. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:24 AM > Haven't they at least tied a bow in it?? > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4247 (20090715) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 15 18:18:53 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:18:53 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F428@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F428@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <423EC1EE118841339D36993451CC87AD@HAL9005> "Access still looks like Access," 2003 or 2007? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:40 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Well I have installed it today. Have only looked at the skin but what outside changes they have made I like. Access still looks like Access, have not looked deeply at it yet but the macro builder looks good VBG Main area I am looking at is how it all works with the web and SharePoint. There are nice integration features between the web and access that have been added and Office web apps seem to be useful along the line of Google docs etc. Will post more details as I look at it. If anyone has specific question please post and I will answer if not covered by the NDA. I think I can talk about the client side features but nothing on the server side yet. Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The Library at Queen's Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 15 18:25:56 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:25:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 In-Reply-To: <423EC1EE118841339D36993451CC87AD@HAL9005> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F428@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <423EC1EE118841339D36993451CC87AD@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4A5E6584.1080102@colbyconsulting.com> > "Access still looks like Access," 2003 or 2007? ROTFL. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin wrote: > "Access still looks like Access," 2003 or 2007? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:40 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 > > Well I have installed it today. Have only looked at the skin but what > outside changes they have made I like. Access still looks like Access, have > not looked deeply at it yet but the macro builder looks good VBG > > Main area I am looking at is how it all works with the web and SharePoint. > There are nice integration features between the web and access that have > been added and Office web apps seem to be useful along the line of Google > docs etc. > > Will post more details as I look at it. If anyone has specific question > please post and I will answer if not covered by the NDA. I think I can talk > about the client side features but nothing on the server side yet. > > Martin > > > Martin WP Reid > Information Services > The Library at Queen's > Tel : 02890976174 > Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 05:19:46 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:19:46 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Special Folders Message-ID: Hi List, Is there any way I can find out in code where any of the office applications are installed? This works if I put the path for the application in by long-hand, but how can I find out what the path to the application is and store it to a variable. const conQuote as string = """ MsgBox "The PDF file will now open to show you total Disbursements. Please print and file this." & vbCrLf & "Please then select the matching CSV file to decrypt and process" strShell = conQuote & "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader 8.0\Reader\AcroRd32.exe " & conQuote strShell = strShell & " " & conQuote & strPathPDFFile & conQuote RetVal = Shell(strShell, 1) If it was a Word document I wanted to open I would be looking for somthing like: strDocName = "c:\mydocs\procedure.doc" strWord = specialpathfolder("Word") ' assuming that this returned the qualified pathname.. strshell = conquote & strword & conquote & " " & strDocName & conquote retval = shell(strshell,1) Thanks Max From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 16 06:51:09 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:51:09 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Special Folders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A5F142D.213.7A6A471@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Two options: If you *really* want to find the path to the executable, you can walk the registry - I've got it somewhere in my toolbox. Let me know if you really want to and I will dig it up. But it's much easier to leave it up to the Shell to decide where to find the appropriate application. Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "SHELL32.DLL" Alias "ShellExecuteA" _ (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation As String, _ ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, _ ByVal lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long ShellExecute Application.hWndAccessApp, "Open", strDocName, "", "", vbNormalFocus -- Stuart On 16 Jul 2009 at 11:19, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Hi List, > Is there any way I can find out in code where any of the office applications > are installed? > > This works if I put the path for the application in by long-hand, but how > can I find out what the path to the application is and store it to a > variable. > > const conQuote as string = """ > > MsgBox "The PDF file will now open to show you total Disbursements. > Please print and file this." & vbCrLf & "Please then select the matching CSV > file to decrypt and process" > strShell = conQuote & "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader > 8.0\Reader\AcroRd32.exe " & conQuote > strShell = strShell & " " & conQuote & strPathPDFFile & conQuote > RetVal = Shell(strShell, 1) > > If it was a Word document I wanted to open I would be looking for somthing > like: > strDocName = "c:\mydocs\procedure.doc" > strWord = specialpathfolder("Word") ' assuming that this returned the > qualified pathname.. > strshell = conquote & strword & conquote & " " & strDocName & conquote > retval = shell(strshell,1) > > Thanks > Max > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 16 07:19:35 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:19:35 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Special Folders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A5F1AD7.19518.7C0ABC1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Further to my previsou response. That works if you are sure the user has Acrobat Reader 8 installed. If they have an earlier version or use another PDF reader, it will break. That;s why the ShellExecute is a better solution, it will open any registered file type with the registered application. FWIW, I don't put Acrobat reader on my clients machines, I give them Foxit Reader instead. It's smaller, faster, more secure and offers more capablities than Adobe's bloated offering. (http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/). It also has some really good, reasonably priced add-ons if you want to do more than just read PDFs. On 16 Jul 2009 at 11:19, Max Wanadoo wrote: > strShell = conQuote & "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader > 8.0\Reader\AcroRd32.exe " & conQuote From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 07:41:49 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:41:49 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Special Folders In-Reply-To: <4A5F142D.213.7A6A471@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4A5F142D.213.7A6A471@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart: I actually had that ShellExecute routine and forgot all about it - duh! Thanks for pointing it out. This now works just fine. Didn't know you could "walk the registry". That may be useful for "finding stuff" when you are trying to remove software etc. When you have a moment, could you post it. no rush. many thanks Max On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Two options: > > If you *really* want to find the path to the executable, you can walk the > registry - I've got it > somewhere in my toolbox. Let me know if you really want to and I will dig > it up. > > But it's much easier to leave it up to the Shell to decide where to find > the appropriate > application. > > Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "SHELL32.DLL" Alias > "ShellExecuteA" _ > (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation As String, _ > ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, _ > ByVal lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long > > ShellExecute Application.hWndAccessApp, "Open", strDocName, "", "", > vbNormalFocus > > -- > Stuart > > On 16 Jul 2009 at 11:19, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > Hi List, > > Is there any way I can find out in code where any of the office > applications > > are installed? > > > > This works if I put the path for the application in by long-hand, but how > > can I find out what the path to the application is and store it to a > > variable. > > > > const conQuote as string = """ > > > > MsgBox "The PDF file will now open to show you total > Disbursements. > > Please print and file this." & vbCrLf & "Please then select the matching > CSV > > file to decrypt and process" > > strShell = conQuote & "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader > > 8.0\Reader\AcroRd32.exe " & conQuote > > strShell = strShell & " " & conQuote & strPathPDFFile & conQuote > > RetVal = Shell(strShell, 1) > > > > If it was a Word document I wanted to open I would be looking for > somthing > > like: > > strDocName = "c:\mydocs\procedure.doc" > > strWord = specialpathfolder("Word") ' assuming that this returned the > > qualified pathname.. > > strshell = conquote & strword & conquote & " " & strDocName & conquote > > retval = shell(strshell,1) > > > > Thanks > > Max > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Thu Jul 16 08:27:43 2009 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:27:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Toolbar Question and Problem Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0690734CD3@houex1.kindermorgan.com> I am working on a database I created a long time ago with a custom toolbar. Memory fails me here. How do I determine what each item does? How did I name these? One of the buttons on the tool bar closes the current form. This works correctly on all forms except on one where it asks for input to another form that is not open. What problem should I be looking for? Thanks. Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 16 09:26:27 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:26:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness Message-ID: <4A5F3893.40003@colbyconsulting.com> You will love this one. Place the following text into a text file and run a transfer text on it: R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim , , "RawFormat", "YourPath\YourName.csv" the following is what I get: PK F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 26361 R4inc quarter 20083 26362 NDC Rebate Amt Due #Rx State Paid Quantity Formula Unit Price Notice that the "Drug Name" data item in the second row dropped out. Now, try this one: R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price 597001314,COMBIVENT AER,0,5,513.01,73.5,2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244,0 The following is what I get. F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 R4inc quarter 20083 NDC Drug Name Formula 597001314 COMBIVENT AER 0 5 513.01 73.5 2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244 0 Notice the dropping of TONS of data items in the "field names" row. But hey, why fix the bugs in Access when there are pretty toolbars that need designing eh? 8( -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jul 16 09:36:51 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:36:51 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness Message-ID: Hi John Yes, that is "fun". For reasons like this, I never use the TransferText method. However, could it be that Name is a reserved word? What happens if you use Drug_Name instead of Drug Name? /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 16-07-2009 16:26:27 >>> You will love this one. Place the following text into a text file and run a transfer text on it: R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim , , "RawFormat", "YourPath\YourName.csv" the following is what I get: PK F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 26361 R4inc quarter 20083 26362 NDC Rebate Amt Due #Rx State Paid Quantity Formula Unit Price Notice that the "Drug Name" data item in the second row dropped out. Now, try this one: R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price 597001314,COMBIVENT AER,0,5,513.01,73.5,2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244,0 The following is what I get. F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 R4inc quarter 20083 NDC Drug Name Formula 597001314 COMBIVENT AER 0 5 513.01 73.5 2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244 0 Notice the dropping of TONS of data items in the "field names" row. But hey, why fix the bugs in Access when there are pretty toolbars that need designing eh? 8( -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 16 10:06:21 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:06:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A5F41ED.8080608@colbyconsulting.com> >For reasons like this, I never use the TransferText method. Gustav, What would you use? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > Yes, that is "fun". For reasons like this, I never use the TransferText method. > However, could it be that Name is a reserved word? What happens if you use Drug_Name instead of Drug Name? > > /gustav > > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 16-07-2009 16:26:27 >>> > You will love this one. > > Place the following text into a text file and run a transfer text on it: > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price > > DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim , , "RawFormat", "YourPath\YourName.csv" > > the following is what I get: > > PK F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 > 26361 R4inc quarter 20083 > 26362 NDC Rebate Amt Due #Rx State Paid Quantity Formula Unit Price > Notice that the "Drug Name" data item in the second row dropped out. > > Now, try this one: > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price > 597001314,COMBIVENT AER,0,5,513.01,73.5,2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244,0 > > > > The following is what I get. > > F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 > R4inc quarter 20083 > NDC Drug Name Formula > 597001314 COMBIVENT AER 0 5 513.01 73.5 2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244 0 > Notice the dropping of TONS of data items in the "field names" row. > > But hey, why fix the bugs in Access when there are pretty toolbars that need designing eh? > > 8( > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 16 10:13:25 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:13:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A5F4395.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> > Yes, that is "fun". For reasons like this, I never use the TransferText method. LOL. Here is a major tool of Access that functions simply abysmally, that Gustav refuses to use at all, and... MS as plenty of time for designing fluff. ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > Yes, that is "fun". For reasons like this, I never use the TransferText method. > However, could it be that Name is a reserved word? What happens if you use Drug_Name instead of Drug Name? > > /gustav > > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 16-07-2009 16:26:27 >>> > You will love this one. > > Place the following text into a text file and run a transfer text on it: > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price > > DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim , , "RawFormat", "YourPath\YourName.csv" > > the following is what I get: > > PK F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 > 26361 R4inc quarter 20083 > 26362 NDC Rebate Amt Due #Rx State Paid Quantity Formula Unit Price > Notice that the "Drug Name" data item in the second row dropped out. > > Now, try this one: > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price > 597001314,COMBIVENT AER,0,5,513.01,73.5,2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244,0 > > > > The following is what I get. > > F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 > R4inc quarter 20083 > NDC Drug Name Formula > 597001314 COMBIVENT AER 0 5 513.01 73.5 2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244 0 > Notice the dropping of TONS of data items in the "field names" row. > > But hey, why fix the bugs in Access when there are pretty toolbars that need designing eh? > > 8( > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 11:01:15 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:01:15 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Special Folders In-Reply-To: <4A5F1AD7.19518.7C0ABC1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4A5F1AD7.19518.7C0ABC1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4a5f4ecd.0a1ad00a.090f.4070@mx.google.com> That is really worth knowing - thanks Stuart. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 16 July 2009 13:20 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Special Folders Further to my previsou response. That works if you are sure the user has Acrobat Reader 8 installed. If they have an earlier version or use another PDF reader, it will break. That;s why the ShellExecute is a better solution, it will open any registered file type with the registered application. FWIW, I don't put Acrobat reader on my clients machines, I give them Foxit Reader instead. It's smaller, faster, more secure and offers more capablities than Adobe's bloated offering. (http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/). It also has some really good, reasonably priced add-ons if you want to do more than just read PDFs. On 16 Jul 2009 at 11:19, Max Wanadoo wrote: > strShell = conQuote & "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader > 8.0\Reader\AcroRd32.exe " & conQuote -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Thu Jul 16 11:43:30 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:43:30 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: <4A5F3893.40003@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A5F3893.40003@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: That's why you create import/export specs, John. You know that. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:26 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness You will love this one. Place the following text into a text file and run a transfer text on it: R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim , , "RawFormat", "YourPath\YourName.csv" the following is what I get: PK F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 26361 R4inc quarter 20083 26362 NDC Rebate Amt Due #Rx State Paid Quantity Formula Unit Price Notice that the "Drug Name" data item in the second row dropped out. Now, try this one: R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price 597001314,COMBIVENT AER,0,5,513.01,73.5,2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244,0 The following is what I get. F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 R4inc quarter 20083 NDC Drug Name Formula 597001314 COMBIVENT AER 0 5 513.01 73.5 2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244 0 Notice the dropping of TONS of data items in the "field names" row. But hey, why fix the bugs in Access when there are pretty toolbars that need designing eh? 8( -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwelz at hotmail.com Thu Jul 16 12:06:29 2009 From: jwelz at hotmail.com (Jurgen Welz) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:06:29 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Autofilters in Excel In-Reply-To: <4A5F4395.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A5F4395.4060906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I've been doing a bit of Excel reporting from Access but I ran into a bit of an issue. I export data to a series of Excel sheets in a single workbook. The sheets are identical except for a master summary sheet. I'd written a form interface that applies any combination of single restrictions on one through eight potential autofiltered columns to all the data sheets and shows the filtered subtotals on the front page. This much works great. Upon reflection, it occurred to me that I could display a toolbar button when a user is on any data sheet and it would be significantly less code to allow a user to set any combination of autofilters desired on a work sheet and use the code to duplicate that autofilter to all data sheets (the form code does this already for single criteria) and display the summary sheet results. When Autofilters are On there are potentially two Criteria named Criteria1 and Criteria2. Checking a criterion when for one of the filters when that filter is not set and and the or the second criterion has no value triggers an error. MSDN has some example code for working around this at msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb177404.aspx: With Worksheets("Crew") If .AutoFilterMode Then With .AutoFilter.Filters(1) If .On And .Operator Then c2 = .Criteria2 Else c2 = "Not set" End If End With End If End With The problem is, if a user chooses the 'Top 10' criterion from the user interface, it turns out that the .Operator property evaluates to 3 and .On to true and the example breaks. It turns out the AND and OR operator constants are 1 and 2 respectively and the top, bottom and top and bottom percent constants evaluate to 3 through 6. The MSDN sample check for a 2nd criterion should read: If .On And .Operator < 3 Then It would be nice if they posted sample code that works. Jurgen Welz _________________________________________________________________ We are your photos. Share us now with Windows Live Photos. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 16 13:17:15 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:17:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: References: <4A5F3893.40003@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A5F6EAB.9040301@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. It is an optional parameter... Indeed, once I created the import spec it worked just fine. I had a permanently defined destination table that I was importing into, all fields defined as text, but apparently the TransferText function isn't capable of looking at the destination field to see what the expected data type is. Transfer text is delivering ALL text data, but is just trashing some of the data (not delivering it into the field in the destination table) unless it is spoon fed an import specification up front. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Charlotte Foust wrote: > That's why you create import/export specs, John. You know that. > > Charlotte > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:26 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness > > You will love this one. > > Place the following text into a text file and run a transfer text on it: > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price > > DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim , , "RawFormat", > "YourPath\YourName.csv" > > the following is what I get: > > PK F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 > F9 F10 F11 F12 > 26361 R4inc quarter 20083 > > 26362 NDC Rebate Amt Due #Rx State Paid Quantity > Formula Unit Price > Notice that the "Drug Name" data item in the second row dropped out. > > Now, try this one: > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price > 597001314,COMBIVENT AER,0,5,513.01,73.5,2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - > 4.6244,0 > > > > The following is what I get. > > F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 > F10 F11 F12 > R4inc quarter 20083 > > NDC Drug Name Formula > > 597001314 COMBIVENT AER 0 5 513.01 73.5 2: > 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244 0 > Notice the dropping of TONS of data items in the "field names" row. > > But hey, why fix the bugs in Access when there are pretty toolbars that > need designing eh? > > 8( > > -- > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Thu Jul 16 15:22:40 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:22:40 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: <4A5F6EAB.9040301@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A5F3893.40003@colbyconsulting.com> <4A5F6EAB.9040301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Well, all I can say is it's been that way as long as I recall. It assumes that whatever kind of value is in the first row, that's the datatype for the column, assuming it can figure out how many columns it has. 'Course it also depends on what kind of delimiter the text file uses. Commas don't work as well as pipes, and spaces are ghastly. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:17 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness LOL. It is an optional parameter... Indeed, once I created the import spec it worked just fine. I had a permanently defined destination table that I was importing into, all fields defined as text, but apparently the TransferText function isn't capable of looking at the destination field to see what the expected data type is. Transfer text is delivering ALL text data, but is just trashing some of the data (not delivering it into the field in the destination table) unless it is spoon fed an import specification up front. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Charlotte Foust wrote: > That's why you create import/export specs, John. You know that. > > Charlotte > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:26 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness > > You will love this one. > > Place the following text into a text file and run a transfer text on it: > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit > Price > > DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim , , "RawFormat", > "YourPath\YourName.csv" > > the following is what I get: > > PK F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 > F9 F10 F11 F12 > 26361 R4inc quarter 20083 > > 26362 NDC Rebate Amt Due #Rx State Paid Quantity > Formula Unit Price > Notice that the "Drug Name" data item in the second row dropped out. > > Now, try this one: > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price > 597001314,COMBIVENT AER,0,5,513.01,73.5,2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - > 4.6244,0 > > > > The following is what I get. > > F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 > F10 F11 F12 > R4inc quarter 20083 > > NDC Drug Name Formula > > 597001314 COMBIVENT AER 0 5 513.01 73.5 2: > 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244 0 > Notice the dropping of TONS of data items in the "field names" row. > > But hey, why fix the bugs in Access when there are pretty toolbars > that need designing eh? > > 8( > > -- > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com Thu Jul 16 16:14:14 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:14:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Format wiedness - was - TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: References: <4A5F3893.40003@colbyconsulting.com> <4A5F6EAB.9040301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Here's another oddity. I have been using the Format() function to ensure that Social Security numbers are consistently stored to a text field with the hyphens included: nnn-nn-nnnn. (I know, you can use an input mask for that, but it does not consistently work) So this code should take care of that SSN = Format("123-45-6789","000-00-0000"), and that does indeed give the result "123-45-6789", as does SSN = Format("123456789","000-00-0000") But what about Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000")? No that does not result in "520-09-0012", but rather it produces "-000-50-3778" - go figure. My solution to this problem is to first strip out all the hyphens and then put them back with... Format(Replace([SSN],"-",""),"000-00-0000") But what are those bizarre results about? Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:23 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness Well, all I can say is it's been that way as long as I recall. It assumes that whatever kind of value is in the first row, that's the datatype for the column, assuming it can figure out how many columns it has. 'Course it also depends on what kind of delimiter the text file uses. Commas don't work as well as pipes, and spaces are ghastly. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:17 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness LOL. It is an optional parameter... Indeed, once I created the import spec it worked just fine. I had a permanently defined destination table that I was importing into, all fields defined as text, but apparently the TransferText function isn't capable of looking at the destination field to see what the expected data type is. Transfer text is delivering ALL text data, but is just trashing some of the data (not delivering it into the field in the destination table) unless it is spoon fed an import specification up front. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Charlotte Foust wrote: > That's why you create import/export specs, John. You know that. > > Charlotte > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:26 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness > > You will love this one. > > Place the following text into a text file and run a transfer text on it: > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit > Price > > DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim , , "RawFormat", > "YourPath\YourName.csv" > > the following is what I get: > > PK F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 > F9 F10 F11 F12 > 26361 R4inc quarter 20083 > > 26362 NDC Rebate Amt Due #Rx State Paid Quantity > Formula Unit Price > Notice that the "Drug Name" data item in the second row dropped out. > > Now, try this one: > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price > 597001314,COMBIVENT AER,0,5,513.01,73.5,2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - > 4.6244,0 > > > > The following is what I get. > > F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 > F10 F11 F12 > R4inc quarter 20083 > > NDC Drug Name Formula > > 597001314 COMBIVENT AER 0 5 513.01 73.5 2: > 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244 0 > Notice the dropping of TONS of data items in the "field names" row. > > But hey, why fix the bugs in Access when there are pretty toolbars > that need designing eh? > > 8( > > -- > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jul 16 16:17:04 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:17:04 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness Message-ID: Hi John I read the file line by line. A line is read into an array of fields which I loop through applying all validation and formatting while building a record which I finally add to (or update) the recordset with DAO. This gives you 100% control, you can easily skip lines, and it runs at an incredible speed. Credit goes to Neal Kling (not with us any more) who didn't invent this technique but pointed me and several others in that direction. Good Bye TransferText and ImportSpecs. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 16-07-2009 17:06 >>> >For reasons like this, I never use the TransferText method. Gustav, What would you use? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > Yes, that is "fun". For reasons like this, I never use the TransferText method. > However, could it be that Name is a reserved word? What happens if you use Drug_Name instead of Drug Name? > > /gustav > > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 16-07-2009 16:26:27 >>> > You will love this one. > > Place the following text into a text file and run a transfer text on it: > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price > > DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim , , "RawFormat", "YourPath\YourName.csv" > > the following is what I get: > > PK F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 > 26361 R4inc quarter 20083 > 26362 NDC Rebate Amt Due #Rx State Paid Quantity Formula Unit Price > Notice that the "Drug Name" data item in the second row dropped out. > > Now, try this one: > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price > 597001314,COMBIVENT AER,0,5,513.01,73.5,2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244,0 > > > > The following is what I get. > > F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 > R4inc quarter 20083 > NDC Drug Name Formula > 597001314 COMBIVENT AER 0 5 513.01 73.5 2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244 0 > Notice the dropping of TONS of data items in the "field names" row. > > But hey, why fix the bugs in Access when there are pretty toolbars that need designing eh? > > 8( > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 16 16:18:00 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:18:00 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: References: <4A5F3893.40003@colbyconsulting.com>, <4A5F6EAB.9040301@colbyconsulting.com>, Message-ID: <4A5F9908.29972.9AD9ABB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I generally use Tabs as delimiters, it's sort of a standard that is easily generated. It's one of the default SaveAs options in Excel for instance - but the implementation is brain dead. If you have a comma anywhere in your data, Excel will wrap the Tab delimited fields in quotes - even though you are not using comma delimiters. grrrrr! (What's the odds that they've fixed that in v10, I bet they were too busy making the Ribbon prettier!) Space delimited is fine as long as it is used properly - it doesn't mean that every space is a delimiter, it means that every field is padded with spaces so that a field is always a fixed length and starts at a fixed column position. That way you can use MID$(FieldStartCol, FieldLength) to extract fields. -- Stuart On 16 Jul 2009 at 13:22, Charlotte Foust wrote: > has. 'Course it also depends on what kind of delimiter the text file > uses. Commas don't work as well as pipes, and spaces are ghastly. > From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jul 16 16:38:19 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:38:19 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Format wiedness - was - TransferText wierdness Message-ID: Hi Lambert That's because you don't know what you are doing! You deal with the SSN as if it was a number which it isn't - it's a string. Thus: SSN = Format("123456789","&&&-&&-&&&&") "123-45-6789" confuses Format as it believes it to be a negative number. This, however, will format "correctly": "-123-45-6789" but is that less weird? I guess not. Your method of removing any non important character like space and hyphen before applying the format is the proven method. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com 16-07-2009 23:14 >>> Here's another oddity. I have been using the Format() function to ensure that Social Security numbers are consistently stored to a text field with the hyphens included: nnn-nn-nnnn. (I know, you can use an input mask for that, but it does not consistently work) So this code should take care of that SSN = Format("123-45-6789","000-00-0000"), and that does indeed give the result "123-45-6789", as does SSN = Format("123456789","000-00-0000") But what about Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000")? No that does not result in "520-09-0012", but rather it produces "-000-50-3778" - go figure. My solution to this problem is to first strip out all the hyphens and then put them back with... Format(Replace([SSN],"-",""),"000-00-0000") But what are those bizarre results about? Lambert From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 17:13:04 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:13:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Format wiedness - was - TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8786a4c00907161513h5ee7467fhb0b2fc6ce63fac23@mail.gmail.com> It seems to be the second and/or third 0 ?Format("520-09-1012","000-00-0000") 520-09-1012 ?Format("520-19-0012","000-00-0000") 520-19-0012 ?Format("520-09-0012","???-??-????") 520-09-1012 ?Format("520-09-0012","???-??-????") -???-??-???? weird On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Lambert > > That's because you don't know what you are doing! > You deal with the SSN as if it was a number which it isn't - it's a string. > Thus: > > SSN = Format("123456789","&&&-&&-&&&&") > > "123-45-6789" confuses Format as it believes it to be a negative number. > This, however, will format "correctly": > > "-123-45-6789" > > but is that less weird? I guess not. > > Your method of removing any non important character like space and hyphen > before applying the format is the proven method. > > /gustav > > > >>> Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com 16-07-2009 23:14 >>> > > Here's another oddity. > > I have been using the Format() function to ensure that Social Security > numbers are consistently stored to a text field with the hyphens included: > nnn-nn-nnnn. (I know, you can use an input mask for that, but it does not > consistently work) > > So this code should take care of that > > SSN = Format("123-45-6789","000-00-0000"), and that does indeed give the > result "123-45-6789", as does > SSN = Format("123456789","000-00-0000") > > But what about Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000")? No that does not result > in "520-09-0012", but rather it produces "-000-50-3778" - go figure. > > My solution to this problem is to first strip out all the hyphens and then > put them back with... > > Format(Replace([SSN],"-",""),"000-00-0000") > > But what are those bizarre results about? > > Lambert > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 16 17:14:08 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:14:08 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Format wiedness - was - TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: References: <4A5F3893.40003@colbyconsulting.com>, , Message-ID: <4A5FA630.5294.9E0FEBC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I've never even considered applying Format to a String before - it's designed to convert numeric values into strings. Access is trying to evaluate "520-09-0012" as some sort of valid number or date. It decided that it could interpret it as a date (yyyy-mm-dd). Try Format("520-09-0012","d mmm yyyy") and you will get "12 Sep 520" and Format("12 Sep 520","000000") = -503778 -- Stuart On 16 Jul 2009 at 17:14, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > > Here's another oddity. > > I have been using the Format() function to ensure that Social Security numbers are consistently stored to a text field with the hyphens included: nnn-nn-nnnn. (I know, you can use an input mask for that, but it does not consistently work) > > So this code should take care of that > > SSN = Format("123-45-6789","000-00-0000"), and that does indeed give the result "123-45-6789", as does > SSN = Format("123456789","000-00-0000") > > But what about Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000")? No that does not result in "520-09-0012", but rather it produces "-000-50-3778" - go figure. > > My solution to this problem is to first strip out all the hyphens and then put them back with... > > Format(Replace([SSN],"-",""),"000-00-0000") > > But what are those bizarre results about? > > Lambert From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Thu Jul 16 17:20:12 2009 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:20:12 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Format wiedness - was - TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13EF34BC80A144D7B4ABA8EC78391409@AB> Gustav, I don't think this is Lamberts problem, but I'm sure this is a case for your date-expertise: ?Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000") -000-50-3778 ?Format("520-13-0012","000-00-0000") 520-13-0012 The second section seems to trigger VB to assume a date for 09 (month) or a non-date for 13 (plain text). Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock Sendt: 16. juli 2009 23:38 Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Emne: Re: [AccessD] Format wiedness - was - TransferText wierdness Hi Lambert That's because you don't know what you are doing! You deal with the SSN as if it was a number which it isn't - it's a string. Thus: SSN = Format("123456789","&&&-&&-&&&&") "123-45-6789" confuses Format as it believes it to be a negative number. This, however, will format "correctly": "-123-45-6789" but is that less weird? I guess not. Your method of removing any non important character like space and hyphen before applying the format is the proven method. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com 16-07-2009 23:14 >>> Here's another oddity. I have been using the Format() function to ensure that Social Security numbers are consistently stored to a text field with the hyphens included: nnn-nn-nnnn. (I know, you can use an input mask for that, but it does not consistently work) So this code should take care of that SSN = Format("123-45-6789","000-00-0000"), and that does indeed give the result "123-45-6789", as does SSN = Format("123456789","000-00-0000") But what about Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000")? No that does not result in "520-09-0012", but rather it produces "-000-50-3778" - go figure. My solution to this problem is to first strip out all the hyphens and then put them back with... Format(Replace([SSN],"-",""),"000-00-0000") But what are those bizarre results about? Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 16 17:31:14 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:31:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: References: <4A5F3893.40003@colbyconsulting.com> <4A5F6EAB.9040301@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A5FAA32.2010302@colbyconsulting.com> The odd thing is that I am doing this for 17 completely different files. Each file has similar kinds of data, but the first 10 files work fine, the 11th doesn't. I didn't even realize that I had a problem until I suddenly noticed that the imported file was missing some data (field label data) that was down several rows that the client referred to. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Charlotte Foust wrote: > Well, all I can say is it's been that way as long as I recall. It > assumes that whatever kind of value is in the first row, that's the > datatype for the column, assuming it can figure out how many columns it > has. 'Course it also depends on what kind of delimiter the text file > uses. Commas don't work as well as pipes, and spaces are ghastly. > > Charlotte From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 16 17:33:29 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:33:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: <4A5F9908.29972.9AD9ABB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4A5F3893.40003@colbyconsulting.com>, <4A5F6EAB.9040301@colbyconsulting.com>, <4A5F9908.29972.9AD9ABB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4A5FAAB9.5010006@colbyconsulting.com> Given a choice, I ask for pipe delimited. Pipes just always work, and you never find them in data. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I generally use Tabs as delimiters, it's sort of a standard that is easily generated. > > It's one of the default SaveAs options in Excel for instance - but the implementation is brain > dead. If you have a comma anywhere in your data, Excel will wrap the Tab delimited fields > in quotes - even though you are not using comma delimiters. grrrrr! > (What's the odds that they've fixed that in v10, I bet they were too busy making the Ribbon > prettier!) > > Space delimited is fine as long as it is used properly - it doesn't mean that every space is a > delimiter, it means that every field is padded with spaces so that a field is always a fixed > length and starts at a fixed column position. That way you can use MID$(FieldStartCol, > FieldLength) to extract fields. > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 16 18:29:29 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:29:29 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: <4A5FAAB9.5010006@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A5F3893.40003@colbyconsulting.com>, <4A5F9908.29972.9AD9ABB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4A5FAAB9.5010006@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A5FB7D9.10170.A25FC1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> "never" is a long time :-) Guess you haven't yet had to handle data which includes: regular expressions DOS command lines BNF (Bachus-Naur Form) expressions Mathematical expressions (it's used in lots of different ways there) Pronunciation guides using the International Phonetic Alphabet just to name a few areas where they can occur regularly -- Stuart On 16 Jul 2009 at 18:33, jwcolby wrote: > Given a choice, I ask for pipe delimited. Pipes just always work, and you never find them in data. > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 16 18:37:23 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:37:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: <4A5FB7D9.10170.A25FC1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4A5F3893.40003@colbyconsulting.com>, <4A5F9908.29972.9AD9ABB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4A5FAAB9.5010006@colbyconsulting.com> <4A5FB7D9.10170.A25FC1E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4A5FB9B3.30608@colbyconsulting.com> Nope, never had to handle any of those. I have been doing bank transfer stuff for many years and never see it there. Lots of mainframe exports, insurance stuff etc. Names, addresses, financial data, medical data and so forth. I guess I would ask for what works for the data I get, and the data I get NEVER has pipes. If it ever does I'll ask for something else. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Stuart McLachlan wrote: > "never" is a long time :-) > > Guess you haven't yet had to handle data which includes: > regular expressions > DOS command lines > BNF (Bachus-Naur Form) expressions > Mathematical expressions (it's used in lots of different ways there) > Pronunciation guides using the International Phonetic Alphabet > > just to name a few areas where they can occur regularly > From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Thu Jul 16 19:35:35 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:35:35 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200915A60FCC@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Yes, I would use a byte array. A bit fiddly to set up, but very fast and reliable once you get it working. Sure it reads line by line, but that is a good thing IMHO as you can verify each field as it is read and before it is uploaded anywhere. You can also perform calc and summaries within the array itself if you only want to load a summary set of the data. regard Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, 17 July 2009 7:17 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness Hi John I read the file line by line. A line is read into an array of fields which I loop through applying all validation and formatting while building a record which I finally add to (or update) the recordset with DAO. This gives you 100% control, you can easily skip lines, and it runs at an incredible speed. Credit goes to Neal Kling (not with us any more) who didn't invent this technique but pointed me and several others in that direction. Good Bye TransferText and ImportSpecs. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 16-07-2009 17:06 >>> >For reasons like this, I never use the TransferText method. Gustav, What would you use? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > Yes, that is "fun". For reasons like this, I never use the TransferText method. > However, could it be that Name is a reserved word? What happens if you use Drug_Name instead of Drug Name? > > /gustav > > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 16-07-2009 16:26:27 >>> > You will love this one. > > Place the following text into a text file and run a transfer text on it: > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price > > DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim , , "RawFormat", "YourPath\YourName.csv" > > the following is what I get: > > PK F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 > 26361 R4inc quarter 20083 > 26362 NDC Rebate Amt Due #Rx State Paid Quantity Formula Unit Price > Notice that the "Drug Name" data item in the second row dropped out. > > Now, try this one: > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price > 597001314,COMBIVENT AER,0,5,513.01,73.5,2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244,0 > > > > The following is what I get. > > F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 > R4inc quarter 20083 > NDC Drug Name Formula > 597001314 COMBIVENT AER 0 5 513.01 73.5 2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244 0 > Notice the dropping of TONS of data items in the "field names" row. > > But hey, why fix the bugs in Access when there are pretty toolbars that need designing eh? > > 8( > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. 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The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 16 20:24:24 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:24:24 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200915A60FCC@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: , <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200915A60FCC@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <4A5FD2C8.11418.A8F3394@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I just read a line at a time and use Split() to convert the data into a string array. Very easy to set up. ... 'Get a record Line Input #ff, strTemp strFields = Split(strtemp,chr$(9)) ... ' do any validation such as stripping currency symbols and commas ' from Amount fields etc ... ... 'add to table rs.addnew rs(0) = strtemp(0) 'add a text or date field rs(1) = val(strTemp(1)) 'add a numeric field .... On 17 Jul 2009 at 10:35, Darryl Collins wrote: > Yes, I would use a byte array. A bit fiddly to set up, but very fast > and reliable once you get it working. Sure it reads line by line, but > that is a good thing IMHO as you can verify each field as it is read > and before it is uploaded anywhere. > > You can also perform calc and summaries within the array itself if you > only want to load a summary set of the data. > > regard > Darryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, 17 July 2009 7:17 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] TransferText wierdness > > Hi John > > I read the file line by line. A line is read into an array of fields > which I loop through applying all validation and formatting while > building a record which I finally add to (or update) the recordset > with DAO. This gives you 100% control, you can easily skip lines, and > it runs at an incredible speed. > > Credit goes to Neal Kling (not with us any more) who didn't invent this technique but pointed me and several others in that direction. Good Bye TransferText and ImportSpecs. > > /gustav > > > >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 16-07-2009 17:06 >>> > >For reasons like this, I never use the TransferText method. > > Gustav, > > What would you use? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Gustav Brock wrote: > > Hi John > > > > Yes, that is "fun". For reasons like this, I never use the TransferText method. > > However, could it be that Name is a reserved word? What happens if you use Drug_Name instead of Drug Name? > > > > /gustav > > > > > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 16-07-2009 16:26:27 >>> > > You will love this one. > > > > Place the following text into a text file and run a transfer text on it: > > > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price > > > > DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim , , "RawFormat", "YourPath\YourName.csv" > > > > the following is what I get: > > > > PK F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 > > 26361 R4inc quarter 20083 > > 26362 NDC Rebate Amt Due #Rx State Paid Quantity Formula Unit Price > > Notice that the "Drug Name" data item in the second row dropped out. > > > > Now, try this one: > > > > R4inc quarter,20083,,,,,, > > NDC,Drug Name,Rebate Amt Due,#Rx,State Paid,Quantity,Formula,Unit Price > > 597001314,COMBIVENT AER,0,5,513.01,73.5,2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244,0 > > > > > > > > The following is what I get. > > > > F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 > > R4inc quarter 20083 > > NDC Drug Name Formula > > 597001314 COMBIVENT AER 0 5 513.01 73.5 2: 7.66735 - 3.1734 - 4.6244 0 > > Notice the dropping of TONS of data items in the "field names" row. > > > > But hey, why fix the bugs in Access when there are pretty toolbars that need designing eh? > > > > 8( > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential > information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete > this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright > is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in > error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any > attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is > free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any > loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's > responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to > resupplying the material. > ______________________________________________________________________ > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jul 17 05:08:56 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:08:56 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] OT: The mission to the Moon Message-ID: Hi all A site is set up to replay in real time for the next days the full mission 40 years ago: http://wechoosethemoon.org A must if you - as I did - spent hours and hours in front of the TV to view this - perhaps - greatest moment in history of mankind. Notice the great animation of the physical blade-digit counters displaying the count downs. To pick a detail, read here the story about the on-board computer, Apollo Guidance Computer (AGC), and its 160K hand-built memory: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8148730.stm including how and why a team of skilled textile workers played a key role in building this crucial module! That story was new to me. Never again talk about a single bit without respect. What really put this mission in perspective is that even today, 40 years later, if you planned a similar mission, it would be considered to touch the limit of the possible if not to be regarded as just too risky. Amazing. /gustav From phpons at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 06:18:14 2009 From: phpons at gmail.com (philippe pons) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:18:14 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Queries with vba function inside... Message-ID: <57144ced0907170418x6ba62c4el919dafa77d0b5f30@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I need your help, if you mind! I have a select query that uses a vba function in one field. another one uses an integrated function like formatpercent. I need to use these queries from within Excel, using an ADODB command object. I get an error message saying that both functions, vba and integrated, are not recognized. (error 3085 function not defined in the expression) I'm afraid it's not possible to use this kind of queries like that. Would you confirm? Are there any tricks?? I further question: How would you trigger from Excel, a public function that is in access? Thank's in advance, Philippe From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jul 17 06:31:24 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:31:24 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile Message-ID: Hi Philippe Did you succeed with this? /gustav >>> phpons at gmail.com 04-07-2009 16:11 >>> Hi all, I spend several days trying to calculate quartile in access. I don't want to use the quartile function from excel. From phpons at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 07:36:41 2009 From: phpons at gmail.com (philippe pons) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:36:41 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57144ced0907170536q6c641c81p832eef861d8c6aa2@mail.gmail.com> Hi Gustav, I succedded using this: http://www.mvps.org/access/queries/qry0019.htm with some slight modifications, and ensuring the function works only on integers, as it doens't like working on numbers with comma as decimal separator. Regards Philippe 2009/7/17 Gustav Brock > Hi Philippe > > Did you succeed with this? > > /gustav > > >>> phpons at gmail.com 04-07-2009 16:11 >>> > Hi all, > > I spend several days trying to calculate quartile in access. > I don't want to use the quartile function from excel. > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com Fri Jul 17 08:18:49 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:18:49 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gustav, Thank you for those kind words. I always thought that I did not have a clue what I was up to, but it's nice for it to be authoritatively confirmed! :-) I get what you are saying about the implicit math that is being performed on the string expression passed into Format(), but the results still do not make much sense. Take the example format("123-45-6789","000-00-0000") 123-45-6789 evaluates to -6711, so one might expect the above call to format to return the string "-000-00-6711", but it does not, it returns "123-45-6789". And yet Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000") returns the result "-000-50-3778", although the string expression evaluates to 499. I have resolved my problem, but an curious as to what is actually going on with these weird results. FYI when I run the original format expression (format([SSN],"000-00-0000") on a list of 15,000 Social Security numbers, only 94 of them wind up be changed in the above manner. All the others behave 'correctly'. Stuart, You commented "I've never even considered applying Format to a String before - it's designed to convert numeric values into strings.", but a peak at the OL Help reveals: To Format Numbers Use predefined named numeric formats or create user-defined numeric formats. Dates and times Use predefined named date/time formats or create user-defined date/time formats. Date and time serial numbers Use date and time formats or numeric formats. ***Strings*** Create your own user-defined string formats Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:38 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format wiedness - was - TransferText wierdness Hi Lambert That's because you don't know what you are doing! You deal with the SSN as if it was a number which it isn't - it's a string. Thus: SSN = Format("123456789","&&&-&&-&&&&") "123-45-6789" confuses Format as it believes it to be a negative number. This, however, will format "correctly": "-123-45-6789" but is that less weird? I guess not. Your method of removing any non important character like space and hyphen before applying the format is the proven method. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com 16-07-2009 23:14 >>> Here's another oddity. I have been using the Format() function to ensure that Social Security numbers are consistently stored to a text field with the hyphens included: nnn-nn-nnnn. (I know, you can use an input mask for that, but it does not consistently work) So this code should take care of that SSN = Format("123-45-6789","000-00-0000"), and that does indeed give the result "123-45-6789", as does SSN = Format("123456789","000-00-0000") But what about Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000")? No that does not result in "520-09-0012", but rather it produces "-000-50-3778" - go figure. My solution to this problem is to first strip out all the hyphens and then put them back with... Format(Replace([SSN],"-",""),"000-00-0000") But what are those bizarre results about? Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jul 17 08:48:33 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:48:33 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Calculate Quartile Message-ID: Hi Philippe Thanks for the feedback. /gustav >>> phpons at gmail.com 17-07-2009 14:36 >>> Hi Gustav, I succedded using this: http://www.mvps.org/access/queries/qry0019.htm with some slight modifications, and ensuring the function works only on integers, as it doens't like working on numbers with comma as decimal separator. Regards Philippe 2009/7/17 Gustav Brock > Hi Philippe > > Did you succeed with this? > > /gustav > > >>> phpons at gmail.com 04-07-2009 16:11 >>> > Hi all, > > I spend several days trying to calculate quartile in access. > I don't want to use the quartile function from excel. From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jul 17 09:02:58 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:02:58 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness Message-ID: Hi Lambert Ha! Seems like I missed it too. Stuart's and Asger's assumption - that the string is interpreted as a date - looks like the explanation you are looking for. Again, I'm sure the method you found - removing any character of no significance first and then apply the format - is the safe route. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com 17-07-2009 15:18 >>> Gustav, Thank you for those kind words. I always thought that I did not have a clue what I was up to, but it's nice for it to be authoritatively confirmed! :-) I get what you are saying about the implicit math that is being performed on the string expression passed into Format(), but the results still do not make much sense. Take the example format("123-45-6789","000-00-0000") 123-45-6789 evaluates to -6711, so one might expect the above call to format to return the string "-000-00-6711", but it does not, it returns "123-45-6789". And yet Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000") returns the result "-000-50-3778", although the string expression evaluates to 499. I have resolved my problem, but an curious as to what is actually going on with these weird results. FYI when I run the original format expression (format([SSN],"000-00-0000") on a list of 15,000 Social Security numbers, only 94 of them wind up be changed in the above manner. All the others behave 'correctly'. Stuart, You commented "I've never even considered applying Format to a String before - it's designed to convert numeric values into strings.", but a peak at the OL Help reveals: To Format Numbers Use predefined named numeric formats or create user-defined numeric formats. Dates and times Use predefined named date/time formats or create user-defined date/time formats. Date and time serial numbers Use date and time formats or numeric formats. ***Strings*** Create your own user-defined string formats Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:38 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format wiedness - was - TransferText wierdness Hi Lambert That's because you don't know what you are doing! You deal with the SSN as if it was a number which it isn't - it's a string. Thus: SSN = Format("123456789","&&&-&&-&&&&") "123-45-6789" confuses Format as it believes it to be a negative number. This, however, will format "correctly": "-123-45-6789" but is that less weird? I guess not. Your method of removing any non important character like space and hyphen before applying the format is the proven method. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com 16-07-2009 23:14 >>> Here's another oddity. I have been using the Format() function to ensure that Social Security numbers are consistently stored to a text field with the hyphens included: nnn-nn-nnnn. (I know, you can use an input mask for that, but it does not consistently work) So this code should take care of that SSN = Format("123-45-6789","000-00-0000"), and that does indeed give the result "123-45-6789", as does SSN = Format("123456789","000-00-0000") But what about Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000")? No that does not result in "520-09-0012", but rather it produces "-000-50-3778" - go figure. My solution to this problem is to first strip out all the hyphens and then put them back with... Format(Replace([SSN],"-",""),"000-00-0000") But what are those bizarre results about? Lambert From Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com Fri Jul 17 09:19:42 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:19:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gustav, I don't buy the date theory, for the simple reason that these peculiar results only happened for 94 out of 15,000 records. Something else is going on, but I'm damned if I can figure out what! One thing's for sure, it is not an issue with what data is actually stored in the table fields, because the "wrong" results happen even when passing in literal text values rather than field values from the table. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:03 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness Hi Lambert Ha! Seems like I missed it too. Stuart's and Asger's assumption - that the string is interpreted as a date - looks like the explanation you are looking for. Again, I'm sure the method you found - removing any character of no significance first and then apply the format - is the safe route. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com 17-07-2009 15:18 >>> Gustav, Thank you for those kind words. I always thought that I did not have a clue what I was up to, but it's nice for it to be authoritatively confirmed! :-) I get what you are saying about the implicit math that is being performed on the string expression passed into Format(), but the results still do not make much sense. Take the example format("123-45-6789","000-00-0000") 123-45-6789 evaluates to -6711, so one might expect the above call to format to return the string "-000-00-6711", but it does not, it returns "123-45-6789". And yet Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000") returns the result "-000-50-3778", although the string expression evaluates to 499. I have resolved my problem, but an curious as to what is actually going on with these weird results. FYI when I run the original format expression (format([SSN],"000-00-0000") on a list of 15,000 Social Security numbers, only 94 of them wind up be changed in the above manner. All the others behave 'correctly'. Stuart, You commented "I've never even considered applying Format to a String before - it's designed to convert numeric values into strings.", but a peak at the OL Help reveals: To Format Numbers Use predefined named numeric formats or create user-defined numeric formats. Dates and times Use predefined named date/time formats or create user-defined date/time formats. Date and time serial numbers Use date and time formats or numeric formats. ***Strings*** Create your own user-defined string formats Lambert From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jul 17 09:36:54 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:36:54 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness Message-ID: Hi Lambert So some of those 94 strings could not be read as a date? Could you provide an example please? You can easily evaluate the 94 values for date similarities with IsDate: ? IsDate("123-45-6789") False ? IsDate("123-12-0029") True /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com 17-07-2009 16:19 >>> Gustav, I don't buy the date theory, for the simple reason that these peculiar results only happened for 94 out of 15,000 records. Something else is going on, but I'm damned if I can figure out what! One thing's for sure, it is not an issue with what data is actually stored in the table fields, because the "wrong" results happen even when passing in literal text values rather than field values from the table. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:03 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness Hi Lambert Ha! Seems like I missed it too. Stuart's and Asger's assumption - that the string is interpreted as a date - looks like the explanation you are looking for. Again, I'm sure the method you found - removing any character of no significance first and then apply the format - is the safe route. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com 17-07-2009 15:18 >>> Gustav, Thank you for those kind words. I always thought that I did not have a clue what I was up to, but it's nice for it to be authoritatively confirmed! :-) I get what you are saying about the implicit math that is being performed on the string expression passed into Format(), but the results still do not make much sense. Take the example format("123-45-6789","000-00-0000") 123-45-6789 evaluates to -6711, so one might expect the above call to format to return the string "-000-00-6711", but it does not, it returns "123-45-6789". And yet Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000") returns the result "-000-50-3778", although the string expression evaluates to 499. I have resolved my problem, but an curious as to what is actually going on with these weird results. FYI when I run the original format expression (format([SSN],"000-00-0000") on a list of 15,000 Social Security numbers, only 94 of them wind up be changed in the above manner. All the others behave 'correctly'. Stuart, You commented "I've never even considered applying Format to a String before - it's designed to convert numeric values into strings.", but a peak at the OL Help reveals: To Format Numbers Use predefined named numeric formats or create user-defined numeric formats. Dates and times Use predefined named date/time formats or create user-defined date/time formats. Date and time serial numbers Use date and time formats or numeric formats. ***Strings*** Create your own user-defined string formats Lambert From jeff.developer at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 09:50:35 2009 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff Barrows) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:50:35 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Combo Box Values [Access 2003 / 2007] Message-ID: <2dad32080907170750w3805f16ao7498ab69c95c7f46@mail.gmail.com> Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I could not find anything in the archives. I have a combo box (limited to list) using a query as the data source. Now I am told that the users need to be able to select one of two options that are NOT in the list - EVER! Basically the two additional options are exceptions. I seem to remember reading something about this years ago, possibly in one of the ADHs, but I do not have them available right now. Anyone else remember this or was it just wishful thinking? -- Jeff Barrows From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 17 10:27:31 2009 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:27:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Combo Box Values [Access 2003 / 2007] In-Reply-To: <2dad32080907170750w3805f16ao7498ab69c95c7f46@mail.gmail.com> References: <2dad32080907170750w3805f16ao7498ab69c95c7f46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, >From this list several years ago, this may help. 2/6/2006 Hi, I know I saw something about how to do this discussed on this list. How do I add the "All" indication at the top of a combobox list? Thanks. Tina One way is something like this : SELECT ID, Descr FROM Project UNION SELECT 0 as t1,'(All)' as t2 FROM Project " & _ "ORDER BY Descr ASC;" The UNION statement is the key here. Bobby Another way SELECT -9999 AS Product_LID, "All" AS ProductDescription FROM PROD_Main UNION SELECT Product_LID, ProductDescription FROM PROD_Main; HTH Bill -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:23 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Adding "All" to Combo List -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Barrows" Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:50 AM To: Subject: [AccessD] Combo Box Values [Access 2003 / 2007] Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I could not find anything in the archives. I have a combo box (limited to list) using a query as the data source. Now I am told that the users need to be able to select one of two options that are NOT in the list - EVER! Basically the two additional options are exceptions. I seem to remember reading something about this years ago, possibly in one of the ADHs, but I do not have them available right now. Anyone else remember this or was it just wishful thinking? -- Jeff Barrows -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Fri Jul 17 10:40:27 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:40:27 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Queries with vba function inside... In-Reply-To: <57144ced0907170418x6ba62c4el919dafa77d0b5f30@mail.gmail.com> References: <57144ced0907170418x6ba62c4el919dafa77d0b5f30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: With ADO, you cannot run a query with an Internal VBA function. That is because ADO is not running Access, it is just querying JET. If you run DAO, then yes, you can use VBA functions in your query, because DAO is going to access the Access features, along with JET. That's probably over simplified. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of philippe pons Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 6:18 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Queries with vba function inside... Hi all, I need your help, if you mind! I have a select query that uses a vba function in one field. another one uses an integrated function like formatpercent. I need to use these queries from within Excel, using an ADODB command object. I get an error message saying that both functions, vba and integrated, are not recognized. (error 3085 function not defined in the expression) I'm afraid it's not possible to use this kind of queries like that. Would you confirm? Are there any tricks?? I further question: How would you trigger from Excel, a public function that is in access? Thank's in advance, Philippe -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From jeff.developer at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 10:48:25 2009 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff Barrows) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:48:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Combo Box Values [Access 2003 / 2007] In-Reply-To: References: <2dad32080907170750w3805f16ao7498ab69c95c7f46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2dad32080907170848x3f6e6c2l23f569f859349bfd@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Bill! I also found this, by Ken Getz, 'Creating Combo Boxes in Access 2007 that Allow Users to Select N/A' ( http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd671280.aspx). On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Bill Patten wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > >From this list several years ago, this may help. > > > 2/6/2006 > Hi, > > I know I saw something about how to do this discussed on this list. How > do I add the "All" indication at the top of a combobox list? Thanks. > > Tina > > One way is something like this : > > SELECT ID, Descr > FROM Project > UNION > SELECT 0 as t1,'(All)' as t2 > FROM Project " & _ > "ORDER BY Descr ASC;" > > The UNION statement is the key here. > > Bobby > > Another way > > SELECT -9999 AS Product_LID, "All" AS ProductDescription FROM PROD_Main > UNION > SELECT Product_LID, ProductDescription FROM PROD_Main; > > HTH > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:23 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] Adding "All" to Combo List > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jeff Barrows" > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:50 AM > To: > Subject: [AccessD] Combo Box Values [Access 2003 / 2007] > > Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I could not find anything in > the archives. > > I have a combo box (limited to list) using a query as the data source. Now > I am told that the users need to be able to select one of two options that > are NOT in the list - EVER! Basically the two additional options are > exceptions. I seem to remember reading something about this years ago, > possibly in one of the ADHs, but I do not have them available right now. > > Anyone else remember this or was it just wishful thinking? > > -- > Jeff Barrows > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Jeff Barrows From phpons at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 10:56:18 2009 From: phpons at gmail.com (philippe pons) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:56:18 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Queries with vba function inside... In-Reply-To: References: <57144ced0907170418x6ba62c4el919dafa77d0b5f30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <57144ced0907170856g328abe6bj599c3666447e3346@mail.gmail.com> Thank's Drew. We tried with DAO, but it seems we get the same result. We decided not to use function in queries. Philippe 2009/7/17 Drew Wutka > With ADO, you cannot run a query with an Internal VBA function. That is > because ADO is not running Access, it is just querying JET. If you run > DAO, then yes, you can use VBA functions in your query, because DAO is > going to access the Access features, along with JET. That's probably > over simplified. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of philippe pons > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 6:18 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Queries with vba function inside... > > Hi all, > > > I need your help, if you mind! > > I have a select query that uses a vba function in one field. > another one uses an integrated function like formatpercent. > > I need to use these queries from within Excel, using an ADODB command > object. > > I get an error message saying that both functions, vba and integrated, > are > not recognized. > (error 3085 function not defined in the expression) > > I'm afraid it's not possible to use this kind of queries like that. > > Would you confirm? > Are there any tricks?? > > I further question: > > How would you trigger from Excel, a public function that is in access? > > Thank's in advance, > > Philippe > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI > Business > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or > hard copy. > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, > dissemination, > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information > by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 15:31:04 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:31:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code Message-ID: Private Sub UserForm_Activate() 'Populate combobox1 with months, by name. Dim i As Integer For i = 1 To 12 ComboBox1.AddItem Format("28/" & i & "/2009", "mmmm") Next End Sub I've been using that for years to populate a control with the names of the months. I've been using it for so long, that I'm not sure if it's still necessary. Has VBA come up with a specific month-naming function that might make this obsolete? Susan H. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Fri Jul 17 16:45:33 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:45:33 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just use MonthName Ie: Dim I as long For i=1 to 12 Debug.Print MonthName(i) Next i Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:31 PM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code Private Sub UserForm_Activate() 'Populate combobox1 with months, by name. Dim i As Integer For i = 1 To 12 ComboBox1.AddItem Format("28/" & i & "/2009", "mmmm") Next End Sub I've been using that for years to populate a control with the names of the months. I've been using it for so long, that I'm not sure if it's still necessary. Has VBA come up with a specific month-naming function that might make this obsolete? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 16:53:52 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:53:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code References: Message-ID: Smartie pants! :) but that's why I asked! ;) Susan H. > Just use MonthName > > Ie: > > Dim I as long > For i=1 to 12 > Debug.Print MonthName(i) > Next i From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Fri Jul 17 17:08:12 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:08:12 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: LOL. Yes, you did ask! ;) Now, would you like to know how to do that with a combo/listbox function? Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:54 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code Smartie pants! :) but that's why I asked! ;) Susan H. > Just use MonthName > > Ie: > > Dim I as long > For i=1 to 12 > Debug.Print MonthName(i) > Next i -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 17:18:53 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:18:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code References: Message-ID: <3B4571661DA54C7496A155FB68504A65@SusanOne> I don't need anymore help, thank you very much. ;) Susan H. > LOL. Yes, you did ask! ;) > > Now, would you like to know how to do that with a combo/listbox > function? From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Fri Jul 17 18:01:34 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:01:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code In-Reply-To: <3B4571661DA54C7496A155FB68504A65@SusanOne> References: <3B4571661DA54C7496A155FB68504A65@SusanOne> Message-ID: No problem. Just an FYI, Combos and Listboxes have the ability to fill from a function. (A Callback function). If you create a basic module (modListMonthNames) with a 'callback' function to populate with the names of the month, like this: Function ListMonthNames(ctrl As Control, id As Variant, _ row As Variant, col As Variant, code As Variant) As Variant Select Case code Case acLBInitialize, acLBOpen, acLBGetColumnCount ListMonthNames = 1 Case acLBGetColumnWidth, acLBGetFormat, acLBEnd ListMonthNames = -1 Case acLBGetRowCount ListMonthNames = 12 Case acLBGetValue ListMonthNames = MonthName(row + 1) End Select End Function Then, throughout your project, whenever you want a listbox, or combobox, that lists the 12 months, you just set the Row Source Type property (of the combo or listbox) to ListMonthNames. No coding required behind any individual form then. Drew (I know you said you didn't need any more help, but there might be an article in setting up callback functions like this....) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:19 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code I don't need anymore help, thank you very much. ;) Susan H. > LOL. Yes, you did ask! ;) > > Now, would you like to know how to do that with a combo/listbox > function? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 17 18:04:59 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:04:59 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code In-Reply-To: <3B4571661DA54C7496A155FB68504A65@SusanOne> References: , <3B4571661DA54C7496A155FB68504A65@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4A61039B.3895.F35E9C1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Right, we all saw that. In future, no one answers ary questions from Susan! -- Stuart Would you like to qualify that statement? Maybe with a "...for now" or ".. in this matter" On 17 Jul 2009 at 18:18, Susan Harkins wrote: > I don't need anymore help, thank you very much. ;) > > Susan H. > > > > LOL. Yes, you did ask! ;) > > > > Now, would you like to know how to do that with a combo/listbox > > function? > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 18:08:24 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:08:24 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code References: <3B4571661DA54C7496A155FB68504A65@SusanOne> Message-ID: <31CD5A10EDA3423CB466A6EDAB47F499@SusanOne> We've already written this one. ;) Susan H. > > Drew (I know you said you didn't need any more help, but there might be > an article in setting up callback functions like this....) From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 18:15:41 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:15:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code References: , <3B4571661DA54C7496A155FB68504A65@SusanOne> <4A61039B.3895.F35E9C1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Okay. I am very sorry. I beg your forgiveness. I was teasing Drew and I WENT TOO FAR!!!!!!!!!!!! I stepped over the line. I was bad. Good enough? ;) If it isn't...I can find you on Google... Susan H. > Right, we all saw that. > > In future, no one answers ary questions from Susan! > > Would you like to qualify that statement? > Maybe with a "...for now" or ".. in this matter" > >> I don't need anymore help, thank you very much. ;) From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 17 18:15:56 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:15:56 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code In-Reply-To: <31CD5A10EDA3423CB466A6EDAB47F499@SusanOne> References: <3B4571661DA54C7496A155FB68504A65@SusanOne> <31CD5A10EDA3423CB466A6EDAB47F499@SusanOne> Message-ID: <331743DFEE764D93A4200BDA00970FE4@HAL9005> Since it's just a combo with month names (and they very rarely, if ever, change), why not just hard code the Value List into the Row Source of the combo box? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code We've already written this one. ;) Susan H. > > Drew (I know you said you didn't need any more help, but there might > be an article in setting up callback functions like this....) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Fri Jul 17 18:39:43 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:39:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code In-Reply-To: <31CD5A10EDA3423CB466A6EDAB47F499@SusanOne> References: <3B4571661DA54C7496A155FB68504A65@SusanOne> <31CD5A10EDA3423CB466A6EDAB47F499@SusanOne> Message-ID: Senior moment I guess... what all uses did we list, I could probably come up with some more.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 6:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code We've already written this one. ;) Susan H. > > Drew (I know you said you didn't need any more help, but there might be > an article in setting up callback functions like this....) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. 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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Fri Jul 17 18:46:16 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:46:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code In-Reply-To: <331743DFEE764D93A4200BDA00970FE4@HAL9005> References: <3B4571661DA54C7496A155FB68504A65@SusanOne><31CD5A10EDA3423CB466A6EDAB47F499@SusanOne> <331743DFEE764D93A4200BDA00970FE4@HAL9005> Message-ID: Doing it in code utilizes Window's to display the names in the 'regions' language (that the computer is set too) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 6:16 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code Since it's just a combo with month names (and they very rarely, if ever, change), why not just hard code the Value List into the Row Source of the combo box? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code We've already written this one. ;) Susan H. > > Drew (I know you said you didn't need any more help, but there might > be an article in setting up callback functions like this....) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From davidmcafee at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 02:54:16 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:54:16 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Queries with vba function inside... In-Reply-To: <57144ced0907170856g328abe6bj599c3666447e3346@mail.gmail.com> References: <57144ced0907170418x6ba62c4el919dafa77d0b5f30@mail.gmail.com> <57144ced0907170856g328abe6bj599c3666447e3346@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907180054q74cf7656ve5387e0b15df8eab@mail.gmail.com> Post your function and your SQL so we can take a look. :) On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:56 AM, philippe pons wrote: > Thank's Drew. > We tried with DAO, but it seems we get the same result. > We decided not to use function in queries. > Philippe > > 2009/7/17 Drew Wutka > > > With ADO, you cannot run a query with an Internal VBA function. That is > > because ADO is not running Access, it is just querying JET. If you run > > DAO, then yes, you can use VBA functions in your query, because DAO is > > going to access the Access features, along with JET. That's probably > > over simplified. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of philippe pons > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 6:18 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: [AccessD] Queries with vba function inside... > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I need your help, if you mind! > > > > I have a select query that uses a vba function in one field. > > another one uses an integrated function like formatpercent. > > > > I need to use these queries from within Excel, using an ADODB command > > object. > > > > I get an error message saying that both functions, vba and integrated, > > are > > not recognized. > > (error 3085 function not defined in the expression) > > > > I'm afraid it's not possible to use this kind of queries like that. > > > > Would you confirm? > > Are there any tricks?? > > > > I further question: > > > > How would you trigger from Excel, a public function that is in access? > > > > Thank's in advance, > > > > Philippe > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > > person or entity > > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI > > Business > > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > > the sender > > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic > or > > hard copy. > > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, > > dissemination, > > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this > information > > by persons > > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 08:23:52 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:23:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Sudden problem with creating a Word object Message-ID: <29f585dd0907180623j5b0fb4f9y3a6673fa4f40e0f0@mail.gmail.com> My Access app has suddenly developed a problem creating a Word object. The reference to the Word library is there (although interestingly, on one of my machines the reference is to Word 11.0 and on another it's set to Word 12.0. Both machines have Office 2003 and Office 2007 aboard. On the machine where it's set to 12.0 I can't find 11.0 in the list of references, but I know that it's there, in Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office 11\MsWord.olb. Is there a way to force it to find the reference to 11.0? I'm getting desperate to fix this problem. This part of the code has *got*to work. Any ideas, anyone? TIA, Arthur From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 08:33:41 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:33:41 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Sudden problem with creating a Word object In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907180623j5b0fb4f9y3a6673fa4f40e0f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0907180623j5b0fb4f9y3a6673fa4f40e0f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a61cf38.0a04d00a.5ddc.3d11@mx.google.com> Arthur, I would open Reference, remove the tick for officer 12. Then exit Then go back into it and select office 11. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 18 July 2009 14:24 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Sudden problem with creating a Word object My Access app has suddenly developed a problem creating a Word object. The reference to the Word library is there (although interestingly, on one of my machines the reference is to Word 11.0 and on another it's set to Word 12.0. Both machines have Office 2003 and Office 2007 aboard. On the machine where it's set to 12.0 I can't find 11.0 in the list of references, but I know that it's there, in Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office 11\MsWord.olb. Is there a way to force it to find the reference to 11.0? I'm getting desperate to fix this problem. This part of the code has *got*to work. Any ideas, anyone? TIA, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From adtp at airtelmail.in Sat Jul 18 08:38:57 2009 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:08:57 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness References: Message-ID: <005301ca07ad$78ddf830$9e5fa27a@personald6374f> Lambert, You have touched upon an interesting aspect of format function. My findings (Access 2003 on Win XP) are placed below, for corroborative verification at your end as well as by other interested members of this forum. The result "-000-50-3778" given by Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000") is explained by the fact that "520-09-0012" gets interpreted as 12-Sep-520, which has an offset of -503778 days as compared to 30-Dec-1899 (reckoned as the zero point). This value when accommodated in format string "000-00-0000", right to left, gives "-000-50-3778" In the above input string, if the last component is given a value greater than "0030" (as there are only 30 days in Sep) or less than "0001", e.g. "520-09-0031" or "520-09-0000", it is no longer interpretable as a date and there is no aberration in the result. However, it is to be noted that the seemingly satisfactory result "520-09-0031" given by the expression Format("520-09-0031","000-00-0000") does not represent successful enforcement of Format() function. Rather, it is an outcome of the fact that formatting has not been performed at all and the original string stands unscathed. This is because format string with zero's as place holders becomes effective only in following cases: (a) The input argument is either a number or a string consisting purely of digits, satisfying the test IsNumeric("<>") = True. For example, Format("11", "000-00-0000") will give "000-00-0011", while Format("'11", "000-00-0000"), where a single quote has been placed at the beginning of input string, will just give "'11" (i.e. the original string). (b) The input argument is a string that despite not being made up of pure digits, can be interpreted as date, satisfying the test IsDate("<>") = True. In such a case the days offset with respect to 30-Dec-1899 is subjected to the intended format action, filling up the place holders from right to left (default behavior). Access is very pro-active in interpreting strings as dates and will precipitate this formatting behavior whenever there is the slightest scope for doing so. It is a different matter that the resulting formatted string does not make any apparent sense and looks weird. If it is desired that irrespective of the character combinations, the input string should invariably be treated as string and formatted as desired, @ has to be used as place holder in lieu of zero. In this case, formatting will always be successful, without any weird results, even when non-digital characters are present. However, for non-distorted results, an important over-riding precaution as stated below, needs to be exercised in both cases (whether @ or 0 is used as place holder): "None Of The Characters Used As Separators In Formatting String Should Be Present In The Input String." Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gustav Brock To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 20:06 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness Hi Lambert So some of those 94 strings could not be read as a date? Could you provide an example please? You can easily evaluate the 94 values for date similarities with IsDate: ? IsDate("123-45-6789") False ? IsDate("123-12-0029") True /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com 17-07-2009 16:19 >>> Gustav, I don't buy the date theory, for the simple reason that these peculiar results only happened for 94 out of 15,000 records. Something else is going on, but I'm damned if I can figure out what! One thing's for sure, it is not an issue with what data is actually stored in the table fields, because the "wrong" results happen even when passing in literal text values rather than field values from the table. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:03 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness Hi Lambert Ha! Seems like I missed it too. Stuart's and Asger's assumption - that the string is interpreted as a date - looks like the explanation you are looking for. Again, I'm sure the method you found - removing any character of no significance first and then apply the format - is the safe route. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com 17-07-2009 15:18 >>> Gustav, Thank you for those kind words. I always thought that I did not have a clue what I was up to, but it's nice for it to be authoritatively confirmed! :-) I get what you are saying about the implicit math that is being performed on the string expression passed into Format(), but the results still do not make much sense. Take the example format("123-45-6789","000-00-0000") 123-45-6789 evaluates to -6711, so one might expect the above call to format to return the string "-000-00-6711", but it does not, it returns "123-45-6789". And yet Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000") returns the result "-000-50-3778", although the string expression evaluates to 499. I have resolved my problem, but an curious as to what is actually going on with these weird results. FYI when I run the original format expression (format([SSN],"000-00-0000") on a list of 15,000 Social Security numbers, only 94 of them wind up be changed in the above manner. All the others behave 'correctly'. Stuart, You commented "I've never even considered applying Format to a String before - it's designed to convert numeric values into strings.", but a peak at the OL Help reveals: To Format Numbers Use predefined named numeric formats or create user-defined numeric formats. Dates and times Use predefined named date/time formats or create user-defined date/time formats. Date and time serial numbers Use date and time formats or numeric formats. ***Strings*** Create your own user-defined string formats Lambert From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 08:43:56 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:43:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Sudden problem with creating a Word object In-Reply-To: <4a61cf38.0a04d00a.5ddc.3d11@mx.google.com> References: <29f585dd0907180623j5b0fb4f9y3a6673fa4f40e0f0@mail.gmail.com> <4a61cf38.0a04d00a.5ddc.3d11@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907180643k3e2f4d2l3ddd12438fcdd80a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Max. I'll give it a try. On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Arthur, > I would open Reference, remove the tick for officer 12. Then exit > Then go back into it and select office 11. > > > Max > From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jul 18 09:20:32 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:20:32 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness Message-ID: Hi Lambert A.D. is right. What missed from your understanding (sounds like you are stupid but not meant so) is that Format returns the value string "as is" when it cannot find out how to apply the format string to the value string. And that happens when hyphens are in the value string; then VBA cannot cast it to a number and the format "000-00-0000" expects a number to make sense. Thanks A.D. for the full story, and thanks to you for highlighting this trap. /gustav >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 18-07-2009 15:38 >>> Lambert, You have touched upon an interesting aspect of format function. My findings (Access 2003 on Win XP) are placed below, for corroborative verification at your end as well as by other interested members of this forum. The result "-000-50-3778" given by Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000") is explained by the fact that "520-09-0012" gets interpreted as 12-Sep-520, which has an offset of -503778 days as compared to 30-Dec-1899 (reckoned as the zero point). This value when accommodated in format string "000-00-0000", right to left, gives "-000-50-3778" In the above input string, if the last component is given a value greater than "0030" (as there are only 30 days in Sep) or less than "0001", e.g. "520-09-0031" or "520-09-0000", it is no longer interpretable as a date and there is no aberration in the result. However, it is to be noted that the seemingly satisfactory result "520-09-0031" given by the expression Format("520-09-0031","000-00-0000") does not represent successful enforcement of Format() function. Rather, it is an outcome of the fact that formatting has not been performed at all and the original string stands unscathed. This is because format string with zero's as place holders becomes effective only in following cases: (a) The input argument is either a number or a string consisting purely of digits, satisfying the test IsNumeric("<>") = True. For example, Format("11", "000-00-0000") will give "000-00-0011", while Format("'11", "000-00-0000"), where a single quote has been placed at the beginning of input string, will just give "'11" (i.e. the original string). (b) The input argument is a string that despite not being made up of pure digits, can be interpreted as date, satisfying the test IsDate("<>") = True. In such a case the days offset with respect to 30-Dec-1899 is subjected to the intended format action, filling up the place holders from right to left (default behavior). Access is very pro-active in interpreting strings as dates and will precipitate this formatting behavior whenever there is the slightest scope for doing so. It is a different matter that the resulting formatted string does not make any apparent sense and looks weird. If it is desired that irrespective of the character combinations, the input string should invariably be treated as string and formatted as desired, @ has to be used as place holder in lieu of zero. In this case, formatting will always be successful, without any weird results, even when non-digital characters are present. However, for non-distorted results, an important over-riding precaution as stated below, needs to be exercised in both cases (whether @ or 0 is used as place holder): "None Of The Characters Used As Separators In Formatting String Should Be Present In The Input String." Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gustav Brock To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 20:06 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness Hi Lambert So some of those 94 strings could not be read as a date? Could you provide an example please? You can easily evaluate the 94 values for date similarities with IsDate: ? IsDate("123-45-6789") False ? IsDate("123-12-0029") True /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com 17-07-2009 16:19 >>> Gustav, I don't buy the date theory, for the simple reason that these peculiar results only happened for 94 out of 15,000 records. Something else is going on, but I'm damned if I can figure out what! One thing's for sure, it is not an issue with what data is actually stored in the table fields, because the "wrong" results happen even when passing in literal text values rather than field values from the table. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:03 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness Hi Lambert Ha! Seems like I missed it too. Stuart's and Asger's assumption - that the string is interpreted as a date - looks like the explanation you are looking for. Again, I'm sure the method you found - removing any character of no significance first and then apply the format - is the safe route. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com 17-07-2009 15:18 >>> Gustav, Thank you for those kind words. I always thought that I did not have a clue what I was up to, but it's nice for it to be authoritatively confirmed! :-) I get what you are saying about the implicit math that is being performed on the string expression passed into Format(), but the results still do not make much sense. Take the example format("123-45-6789","000-00-0000") 123-45-6789 evaluates to -6711, so one might expect the above call to format to return the string "-000-00-6711", but it does not, it returns "123-45-6789". And yet Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000") returns the result "-000-50-3778", although the string expression evaluates to 499. I have resolved my problem, but an curious as to what is actually going on with these weird results. FYI when I run the original format expression (format([SSN],"000-00-0000") on a list of 15,000 Social Security numbers, only 94 of them wind up be changed in the above manner. All the others behave 'correctly'. Stuart, You commented "I've never even considered applying Format to a String before - it's designed to convert numeric values into strings.", but a peak at the OL Help reveals: To Format Numbers Use predefined named numeric formats or create user-defined numeric formats. Dates and times Use predefined named date/time formats or create user-defined date/time formats. Date and time serial numbers Use date and time formats or numeric formats. ***Strings*** Create your own user-defined string formats Lambert From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 09:29:20 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:29:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Sudden problem with creating a Word object In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907180643k3e2f4d2l3ddd12438fcdd80a@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0907180623j5b0fb4f9y3a6673fa4f40e0f0@mail.gmail.com> <4a61cf38.0a04d00a.5ddc.3d11@mx.google.com> <29f585dd0907180643k3e2f4d2l3ddd12438fcdd80a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907180729p583fe7f8oc2704ea75143f7d1@mail.gmail.com> It turns out that I jumped to a conclusion, and my code was failing before it ever got to the line where it creates the Word object. It tries to create an ADODB.recordset, using a query that returns no records. I don't know why the query is failing, but I'll look into that right now. Arthur On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Thanks, Max. I'll give it a try. > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 09:35:12 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:35:12 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Sudden problem with creating a Word object In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907180729p583fe7f8oc2704ea75143f7d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0907180623j5b0fb4f9y3a6673fa4f40e0f0@mail.gmail.com> <4a61cf38.0a04d00a.5ddc.3d11@mx.google.com> <29f585dd0907180643k3e2f4d2l3ddd12438fcdd80a@mail.gmail.com> <29f585dd0907180729p583fe7f8oc2704ea75143f7d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a61dda4.0a04d00a.5df8.4a6a@mx.google.com> ok Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 18 July 2009 15:29 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sudden problem with creating a Word object It turns out that I jumped to a conclusion, and my code was failing before it ever got to the line where it creates the Word object. It tries to create an ADODB.recordset, using a query that returns no records. I don't know why the query is failing, but I'll look into that right now. Arthur On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Thanks, Max. I'll give it a try. > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jul 18 09:39:42 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:39:42 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails Message-ID: <3742B3A9197A4C8DAA6F48B489654B5C@HAL9005> Dear List: I am developing an application where the user needs to record changes to fields in several tables - table name, field name, old value, new value, date/time of change, user name. What is the best approach to this? Is .OldValue available after the record has been updated? If so I could loop through the bound fields checking for changes and add an audit trail record if changed. It would be nice to have this audit trail function packaged in one function that could be called form anywhere in the app since several tables will have the requirement. MTIA Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jul 18 09:48:10 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:48:10 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails In-Reply-To: <3742B3A9197A4C8DAA6F48B489654B5C@HAL9005> References: <3742B3A9197A4C8DAA6F48B489654B5C@HAL9005> Message-ID: Just Googled Access Audit Trail and got a couple of hits. This KB seems to be the most popular: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/197592 Looks like I may have to roll my own for edits - but not too hard - the OldValue is available in the BeforeUpdate event. So there I could call a Public function, pass the form name, cycle through the controls looking for controls that are bound, and create the appropriate audit trail records for the changed fields. It looks, however, like I'd need a second function for the New records added to the table and another function for Deletes. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:40 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails Dear List: I am developing an application where the user needs to record changes to fields in several tables - table name, field name, old value, new value, date/time of change, user name. What is the best approach to this? Is .OldValue available after the record has been updated? If so I could loop through the bound fields checking for changes and add an audit trail record if changed. It would be nice to have this audit trail function packaged in one function that could be called form anywhere in the app since several tables will have the requirement. MTIA Rocky From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 10:28:30 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:28:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Problem Creating ADO recordset [Was:] Sudden problem with creating a Word object Message-ID: <29f585dd0907180828i5c16541cw18a596ed03ad677b@mail.gmail.com> I now think that the problem lies in my reference to CurrentProject.Connection. The code goes like this: Dim rs as ADODB.RecordSet Set rs = New ADODB.RecordSet Dim sSQL as String sSQL = "SELECT * FROM my_query" rs.Open sSQL, CurrentProject.Connection, adOpenDynamic It crashes on the last line. When I go into the debug window and issue: ? CurrentProject.Connection. 'and then any of the attributes, such as connectionstring It immediately errors out: Error 459: can't create ActiveX object. This code used to work just fine, but something has changed and I'm at loss to know what has changed. Since I am connected to the database and prior to this call I'm processing lots of data, I can't figure out why I can't use CurrentProject.Connection. Any insights or alternative approaches greatly appreciated. TIA, Arthur On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > ok > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: 18 July 2009 15:29 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sudden problem with creating a Word object > > It turns out that I jumped to a conclusion, and my code was failing before > it ever got to the line where it creates the Word object. It tries to > create > an ADODB.recordset, using a query that returns no records. I don't know why > the query is failing, but I'll look into that right now. > > Arthur > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > Thanks, Max. I'll give it a try. > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jul 18 12:16:16 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:16:16 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Problem Creating ADO recordset Message-ID: Hi Arthur If you google a little on this, the common source is a missing or faulty reference. Try to remove the ADO reference, close and open and add it again and compile. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-07-2009 17:28 >>> I now think that the problem lies in my reference to CurrentProject.Connection. The code goes like this: Dim rs as ADODB.RecordSet Set rs = New ADODB.RecordSet Dim sSQL as String sSQL = "SELECT * FROM my_query" rs.Open sSQL, CurrentProject.Connection, adOpenDynamic It crashes on the last line. When I go into the debug window and issue: ? CurrentProject.Connection. 'and then any of the attributes, such as connectionstring It immediately errors out: Error 459: can't create ActiveX object. This code used to work just fine, but something has changed and I'm at loss to know what has changed. Since I am connected to the database and prior to this call I'm processing lots of data, I can't figure out why I can't use CurrentProject.Connection. Any insights or alternative approaches greatly appreciated. TIA, Arthur From cjlabs at worldnet.att.net Sat Jul 18 13:07:07 2009 From: cjlabs at worldnet.att.net (Carolyn Johnson) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:07:07 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] bookmark property not working with hotkey for command button Message-ID: <9634F56FF96B44E9A4CD1E87BA077C32@Dell> WinXP Access2003 I have a form/subform with a command button that finds a record based on a field for the subform. If I click the command button on the subform, the code works correctly. If I use the hotkey for the command button (alt + G), the correct record is found (seen by stepping through the code), but then the form reverts back to the first record. Code for command button: currentItem is determined by a combobox on a separate form -- the item being searched currentCategory = DLookup("CategoryID", "tblItem", "[ItemID] = " & currentItem) Forms![frmCategoryData].RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[CategoryID] = " & currentCategory Forms![frmCategoryData].Bookmark = Forms![frmCategoryData].RecordsetClone.Bookmark Forms![frmCategoryData]![frmItemData].Form.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[ItemID] = " & currentItem Forms![frmCategoryData]![frmItemData].Form.Bookmark = Me.RecordsetClone.Bookmark Since the command button is on the subform, the last 2 lines of code were originally Me.Recordsetclone.FindFirst "[ItemID] = " & currentItem Me.Bookmark = Me.RecordsetClone.Bookmark I was concerned that the location of the active control when the hot key combination was entered might cause the Me keyword not to work, so I have put the form name, but that still doesn't get the hot key combination to work. What is different about using a hotkey to trigger the code compared to clicking the command button? Thanks Carolyn Johnson St Louis, MO From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 13:41:32 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:41:32 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails References: <3742B3A9197A4C8DAA6F48B489654B5C@HAL9005> Message-ID: <332E38FA808B48A3991305BA2F71566E@SusanOne> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6166807.html Rocky, this will help get you started. Don't do a cut and paste from the web page -- that creates a mess. There should be a download with the code or an mdb file. Also, read the comments -- the readers often add little tidbits to make stuff even better or more efficient. Susan H. > > I am developing an application where the user needs to record changes to > fields in several tables - table name, field name, old value, new value, > date/time of change, user name. > > What is the best approach to this? > > Is .OldValue available after the record has been updated? If so I could > loop through the bound fields checking for changes and add an audit trail > record if changed. > > It would be nice to have this audit trail function packaged in one > function > that could be called form anywhere in the app since several tables will > have > the requirement. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jul 18 13:51:59 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:51:59 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails In-Reply-To: <332E38FA808B48A3991305BA2F71566E@SusanOne> References: <3742B3A9197A4C8DAA6F48B489654B5C@HAL9005> <332E38FA808B48A3991305BA2F71566E@SusanOne> Message-ID: <962FEA6305CB49B7BA6D9B5E94FC4D14@HAL9005> Thanks - that looks like the guts of what I need. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:42 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6166807.html Rocky, this will help get you started. Don't do a cut and paste from the web page -- that creates a mess. There should be a download with the code or an mdb file. Also, read the comments -- the readers often add little tidbits to make stuff even better or more efficient. Susan H. > > I am developing an application where the user needs to record changes > to fields in several tables - table name, field name, old value, new > value, date/time of change, user name. > > What is the best approach to this? > > Is .OldValue available after the record has been updated? If so I > could loop through the bound fields checking for changes and add an > audit trail record if changed. > > It would be nice to have this audit trail function packaged in one > function that could be called form anywhere in the app since several > tables will have the requirement. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jul 18 15:48:39 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:48:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails In-Reply-To: References: <3742B3A9197A4C8DAA6F48B489654B5C@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4A623527.90500@colbyconsulting.com> Sounds like a case for a class, sinking the events for the control. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin wrote: > Just Googled Access Audit Trail and got a couple of hits. This KB seems to > be the most popular: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/197592 > > Looks like I may have to roll my own for edits - but not too hard - the > OldValue is available in the BeforeUpdate event. So there I could call a > Public function, pass the form name, cycle through the controls looking for > controls that are bound, and create the appropriate audit trail records for > the changed fields. > > It looks, however, like I'd need a second function for the New records added > to the table and another function for Deletes. > > Rocky > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:40 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails > > Dear List: > > I am developing an application where the user needs to record changes to > fields in several tables - table name, field name, old value, new value, > date/time of change, user name. > > What is the best approach to this? > > Is .OldValue available after the record has been updated? If so I could > loop through the bound fields checking for changes and add an audit trail > record if changed. > > It would be nice to have this audit trail function packaged in one function > that could be called form anywhere in the app since several tables will have > the requirement. > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jul 18 18:24:34 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:24:34 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails In-Reply-To: <4A623527.90500@colbyconsulting.com> References: <3742B3A9197A4C8DAA6F48B489654B5C@HAL9005>, , <4A623527.90500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A6259B2.19665.4826223@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail I certainly wouldn't try to trigger an audit trail at the control level. The logical place is at the time you insert, update and delete a record. For the insert, you don't need to store any info about the record other than its PK. For the delete, you need to store all fields for the record whether they are displayed on the deleting form or not. In neither of these cases do you need to iterate through controls. It's only the Edit audit that needs iterate through the fields exposed to controls on the editing form and record which ones have changed. There is a lot to be said tor using three different audit tables for the three different cases. (That's exactly the way I've done it in the past in SQL Server using triggers). -- Stuart On 18 Jul 2009 at 16:48, jwcolby wrote: > Sounds like a case for a class, sinking the events for the control. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Rocky Smolin wrote: > > Just Googled Access Audit Trail and got a couple of hits. This KB seems to > > be the most popular: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/197592 > > > > Looks like I may have to roll my own for edits - but not too hard - the > > OldValue is available in the BeforeUpdate event. So there I could call a > > Public function, pass the form name, cycle through the controls looking for > > controls that are bound, and create the appropriate audit trail records for > > the changed fields. > > > > It looks, however, like I'd need a second function for the New records added > > to the table and another function for Deletes. > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:40 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails > > > > Dear List: > > > > I am developing an application where the user needs to record changes to > > fields in several tables - table name, field name, old value, new value, > > date/time of change, user name. > > > > What is the best approach to this? > > > > Is .OldValue available after the record has been updated? If so I could > > loop through the bound fields checking for changes and add an audit trail > > record if changed. > > > > It would be nice to have this audit trail function packaged in one function > > that could be called form anywhere in the app since several tables will have > > the requirement. > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jul 18 18:38:55 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:38:55 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails In-Reply-To: <4A6259B2.19665.4826223@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <3742B3A9197A4C8DAA6F48B489654B5C@HAL9005>, , <4A623527.90500@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6259B2.19665.4826223@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I think you're right Stuart. The add can go into the same audit trail table as the edits. Just nothing it as an add. Now the deletes could be handled the same way if I use Colby's method of never deleting a record but just marking it as deleted with a Boolean field. Then I could just record the PK (I ALWAYS use Autonumbers) of the deleted record in the same table noting the transaction type as Delete. Thinking out loud here... Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:25 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail I certainly wouldn't try to trigger an audit trail at the control level. The logical place is at the time you insert, update and delete a record. For the insert, you don't need to store any info about the record other than its PK. For the delete, you need to store all fields for the record whether they are displayed on the deleting form or not. In neither of these cases do you need to iterate through controls. It's only the Edit audit that needs iterate through the fields exposed to controls on the editing form and record which ones have changed. There is a lot to be said tor using three different audit tables for the three different cases. (That's exactly the way I've done it in the past in SQL Server using triggers). -- Stuart On 18 Jul 2009 at 16:48, jwcolby wrote: > Sounds like a case for a class, sinking the events for the control. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Rocky Smolin wrote: > > Just Googled Access Audit Trail and got a couple of hits. This KB seems to > > be the most popular: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/197592 > > > > Looks like I may have to roll my own for edits - but not too hard - the > > OldValue is available in the BeforeUpdate event. So there I could call a > > Public function, pass the form name, cycle through the controls looking for > > controls that are bound, and create the appropriate audit trail records for > > the changed fields. > > > > It looks, however, like I'd need a second function for the New records added > > to the table and another function for Deletes. > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:40 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails > > > > Dear List: > > > > I am developing an application where the user needs to record changes to > > fields in several tables - table name, field name, old value, new value, > > date/time of change, user name. > > > > What is the best approach to this? > > > > Is .OldValue available after the record has been updated? If so I could > > loop through the bound fields checking for changes and add an audit trail > > record if changed. > > > > It would be nice to have this audit trail function packaged in one function > > that could be called form anywhere in the app since several tables will have > > the requirement. > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jul 18 19:09:51 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:09:51 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails In-Reply-To: <332E38FA808B48A3991305BA2F71566E@SusanOne> References: <3742B3A9197A4C8DAA6F48B489654B5C@HAL9005>, <332E38FA808B48A3991305BA2F71566E@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4A62644F.31962.4ABD84D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> A few of comments on that solution. Technicalities: For an edit audit trail, storing the New Value is redundant, it is always available in either the primary record, in a subsequent audit entry or in the deleted record audit record. The Function will need to be expanded to handle Comboboxs, Listboxs, OptionBoxeFrames, CheckBoxes..... Using an SQL string for the audit entry means that you will have to do SQL escaping for embedded quotes. The "biggie": This solution doesn't work as a true audit trail - it records cancelled edits as real edits. The only effective way to do it in Access is to record the changes in a temporary location in the Before Update procedure and insert them in the audit table in the After Update. The tricky part is getting rid of the temporarily stored changes if the update is cancelled. You need to make sure that and left over updates are cleared before starting to process another form. -- Stuart On 18 Jul 2009 at 14:41, Susan Harkins wrote: > http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6166807.html > > Rocky, this will help get you started. Don't do a cut and paste from the web > page -- that creates a mess. There should be a download with the code or an > mdb file. Also, read the comments -- the readers often add little tidbits to > make stuff even better or more efficient. > > Susan H. > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jul 18 20:10:37 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:10:37 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails In-Reply-To: <4A6259B2.19665.4826223@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <3742B3A9197A4C8DAA6F48B489654B5C@HAL9005>, , <4A623527.90500@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6259B2.19665.4826223@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4A62728D.8030004@colbyconsulting.com> ROTFL. A class is not a hammer. But for those without classes... John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Stuart McLachlan wrote: > To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail > > I certainly wouldn't try to trigger an audit trail at the control level. The logical place is at the > time you insert, update and delete a record. > > For the insert, you don't need to store any info about the record other than its PK. > > For the delete, you need to store all fields for the record whether they are displayed on the > deleting form or not. > > In neither of these cases do you need to iterate through controls. It's only the Edit audit that > needs iterate through the fields exposed to controls on the editing form and record which > ones have changed. > > There is a lot to be said tor using three different audit tables for the three different cases. > (That's exactly the way I've done it in the past in SQL Server using triggers). > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jul 18 23:59:58 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:59:58 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Java Reference Message-ID: Dear List: Is there a Java book that would be the equivalent of the ADH? IOW, a real good reference book? MTIA Rocky From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jul 19 01:58:21 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:58:21 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails Message-ID: Hi Stuart and Rocky Why all this trouble? Today disk space cost is very low so why not just create a copy of the record before any change? Just follow CRUD: C. At OnInsert: Append a copy of the new record to the audit table. R. At OnCurrent (if needed which seldom, though sometimes, is the case): Append a copy of the current record to the audit table. U1. At OnCurrent: Create a temporary copy of the current record. U2. At OnAfterUpdate: Append the temporary copy to the audit table. Append a copy of the updated (now current) record to the audit table. D1. At OnCurrent: Create a temporary copy of the current record. D2. At OnDelete: Append the temporary copy to the audit table. This is for forms. If you have code that modifies tables, adjust the code to include similar operations. Too much trouble, you may ask? True. Auditing is trouble and use of resources. The audit table is identical to the table to be audited with the addition of a timestamp, a user id, and an operation code. This allows extensive and fast searching which should be the key requirement to any auditing system (what else?) like "who deleted records between then and now?" and "when were changes made for customer id x?" or "which appends or deletes have been made by user id n?". The result will - without access to the audited table - contain _all_ info, not only a PK or a few changed fields. When the client whines about potential disk space consumption, tell him that auditing does cost resources including disk space. If this is a true issue - if you may touch the physical limits of the database like the 2 GB limit of JET - place the audit tables in another database - or databaseS like one for each year or month. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 19-07-2009 01:24 >>> I certainly wouldn't try to trigger an audit trail at the control level. The logical place is at the time you insert, update and delete a record. For the insert, you don't need to store any info about the record other than its PK. For the delete, you need to store all fields for the record whether they are displayed on the deleting form or not. In neither of these cases do you need to iterate through controls. It's only the Edit audit that needs iterate through the fields exposed to controls on the editing form and record which ones have changed. There is a lot to be said tor using three different audit tables for the three different cases. (That's exactly the way I've done it in the past in SQL Server using triggers). From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 02:33:57 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:33:57 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a62cc66.0707d00a.6d3e.1970@mx.google.com> When you consider that last week I bought 1.5Tb HD for ?110 sterling from PC World. Plugs straight into my usb port and comes up as 1.3Tb formatted. I can make copies to my hearts content and never run out of space. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 19 July 2009 07:58 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails Hi Stuart and Rocky Why all this trouble? Today disk space cost is very low so why not just create a copy of the record before any change? Just follow CRUD: C. At OnInsert: Append a copy of the new record to the audit table. R. At OnCurrent (if needed which seldom, though sometimes, is the case): Append a copy of the current record to the audit table. U1. At OnCurrent: Create a temporary copy of the current record. U2. At OnAfterUpdate: Append the temporary copy to the audit table. Append a copy of the updated (now current) record to the audit table. D1. At OnCurrent: Create a temporary copy of the current record. D2. At OnDelete: Append the temporary copy to the audit table. This is for forms. If you have code that modifies tables, adjust the code to include similar operations. Too much trouble, you may ask? True. Auditing is trouble and use of resources. The audit table is identical to the table to be audited with the addition of a timestamp, a user id, and an operation code. This allows extensive and fast searching which should be the key requirement to any auditing system (what else?) like "who deleted records between then and now?" and "when were changes made for customer id x?" or "which appends or deletes have been made by user id n?". The result will - without access to the audited table - contain _all_ info, not only a PK or a few changed fields. When the client whines about potential disk space consumption, tell him that auditing does cost resources including disk space. If this is a true issue - if you may touch the physical limits of the database like the 2 GB limit of JET - place the audit tables in another database - or databaseS like one for each year or month. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 19-07-2009 01:24 >>> I certainly wouldn't try to trigger an audit trail at the control level. The logical place is at the time you insert, update and delete a record. For the insert, you don't need to store any info about the record other than its PK. For the delete, you need to store all fields for the record whether they are displayed on the deleting form or not. In neither of these cases do you need to iterate through controls. It's only the Edit audit that needs iterate through the fields exposed to controls on the editing form and record which ones have changed. There is a lot to be said tor using three different audit tables for the three different cases. (That's exactly the way I've done it in the past in SQL Server using triggers). -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jul 19 07:28:19 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:28:19 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Audit Trails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A631163.20404@colbyconsulting.com> That is certainly one way to do it. OTOH, what changed? I have tables with 60 or more fields. One field changed. Why save all of that and then have to go looking through all the data to discover what changed? Not the way I would choose to do it. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Stuart and Rocky > > Why all this trouble? Today disk space cost is very low so why not just create a copy of the record before any change? > Just follow CRUD: > > C. At OnInsert: > Append a copy of the new record to the audit table. > > R. At OnCurrent (if needed which seldom, though sometimes, is the case): > Append a copy of the current record to the audit table. > > U1. At OnCurrent: > Create a temporary copy of the current record. > U2. At OnAfterUpdate: > Append the temporary copy to the audit table. > Append a copy of the updated (now current) record to the audit table. > > D1. At OnCurrent: > Create a temporary copy of the current record. > D2. At OnDelete: > Append the temporary copy to the audit table. > > This is for forms. If you have code that modifies tables, adjust the code to include similar operations. Too much trouble, you may ask? True. Auditing is trouble and use of resources. > > The audit table is identical to the table to be audited with the addition of a timestamp, a user id, and an operation code. This allows extensive and fast searching which should be the key requirement to any auditing system (what else?) like "who deleted records between then and now?" and "when were changes made for customer id x?" or "which appends or deletes have been made by user id n?". The result will - without access to the audited table - contain _all_ info, not only a PK or a few changed fields. > > When the client whines about potential disk space consumption, tell him that auditing does cost resources including disk space. If this is a true issue - if you may touch the physical limits of the database like the 2 GB limit of JET - place the audit tables in another database - or databaseS like one for each year or month. > > /gustav > > >>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 19-07-2009 01:24 >>> > > I certainly wouldn't try to trigger an audit trail at the control level. The logical place is at the > time you insert, update and delete a record. > > For the insert, you don't need to store any info about the record other than its PK. > > For the delete, you need to store all fields for the record whether they are displayed on the > deleting form or not. > > In neither of these cases do you need to iterate through controls. It's only the Edit audit that > needs iterate through the fields exposed to controls on the editing form and record which > ones have changed. > > There is a lot to be said tor using three different audit tables for the three different cases. > (That's exactly the way I've done it in the past in SQL Server using triggers). > > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 19 07:49:38 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:49:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails In-Reply-To: <4a62cc66.0707d00a.6d3e.1970@mx.google.com> References: <4a62cc66.0707d00a.6d3e.1970@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Gustav: Storage space won't be an issue. However, this implies an audit table for each table with userID and timestamp, yes? It would seem the reporting would be a little more tricky because you'd have to go back to the previous audit trail record for a table to find the differences, no? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails When you consider that last week I bought 1.5Tb HD for ?110 sterling from PC World. Plugs straight into my usb port and comes up as 1.3Tb formatted. I can make copies to my hearts content and never run out of space. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 19 July 2009 07:58 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails Hi Stuart and Rocky Why all this trouble? Today disk space cost is very low so why not just create a copy of the record before any change? Just follow CRUD: C. At OnInsert: Append a copy of the new record to the audit table. R. At OnCurrent (if needed which seldom, though sometimes, is the case): Append a copy of the current record to the audit table. U1. At OnCurrent: Create a temporary copy of the current record. U2. At OnAfterUpdate: Append the temporary copy to the audit table. Append a copy of the updated (now current) record to the audit table. D1. At OnCurrent: Create a temporary copy of the current record. D2. At OnDelete: Append the temporary copy to the audit table. This is for forms. If you have code that modifies tables, adjust the code to include similar operations. Too much trouble, you may ask? True. Auditing is trouble and use of resources. The audit table is identical to the table to be audited with the addition of a timestamp, a user id, and an operation code. This allows extensive and fast searching which should be the key requirement to any auditing system (what else?) like "who deleted records between then and now?" and "when were changes made for customer id x?" or "which appends or deletes have been made by user id n?". The result will - without access to the audited table - contain _all_ info, not only a PK or a few changed fields. When the client whines about potential disk space consumption, tell him that auditing does cost resources including disk space. If this is a true issue - if you may touch the physical limits of the database like the 2 GB limit of JET - place the audit tables in another database - or databaseS like one for each year or month. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 19-07-2009 01:24 >>> I certainly wouldn't try to trigger an audit trail at the control level. The logical place is at the time you insert, update and delete a record. For the insert, you don't need to store any info about the record other than its PK. For the delete, you need to store all fields for the record whether they are displayed on the deleting form or not. In neither of these cases do you need to iterate through controls. It's only the Edit audit that needs iterate through the fields exposed to controls on the editing form and record which ones have changed. There is a lot to be said tor using three different audit tables for the three different cases. (That's exactly the way I've done it in the past in SQL Server using triggers). -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jul 19 08:52:32 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:52:32 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails Message-ID: Hi Max Exactly my point: 1.3 TB ~1000 * 1.3 GB databases (and how many GB sized dbs do you hold?). Equals ?0.11 or less than a US quarter or ?0.15 euro cents per database. Hardly a topic for discussion. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 19-07-2009 09:33 >>> When you consider that last week I bought 1.5Tb HD for ?110 sterling from PC World. Plugs straight into my usb port and comes up as 1.3Tb formatted. I can make copies to my hearts content and never run out of space. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 19 July 2009 07:58 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails Hi Stuart and Rocky Why all this trouble? Today disk space cost is very low so why not just create a copy of the record before any change? Just follow CRUD: C. At OnInsert: Append a copy of the new record to the audit table. R. At OnCurrent (if needed which seldom, though sometimes, is the case): Append a copy of the current record to the audit table. U1. At OnCurrent: Create a temporary copy of the current record. U2. At OnAfterUpdate: Append the temporary copy to the audit table. Append a copy of the updated (now current) record to the audit table. D1. At OnCurrent: Create a temporary copy of the current record. D2. At OnDelete: Append the temporary copy to the audit table. This is for forms. If you have code that modifies tables, adjust the code to include similar operations. Too much trouble, you may ask? True. Auditing is trouble and use of resources. The audit table is identical to the table to be audited with the addition of a timestamp, a user id, and an operation code. This allows extensive and fast searching which should be the key requirement to any auditing system (what else?) like "who deleted records between then and now?" and "when were changes made for customer id x?" or "which appends or deletes have been made by user id n?". The result will - without access to the audited table - contain _all_ info, not only a PK or a few changed fields. When the client whines about potential disk space consumption, tell him that auditing does cost resources including disk space. If this is a true issue - if you may touch the physical limits of the database like the 2 GB limit of JET - place the audit tables in another database - or databaseS like one for each year or month. /gustav From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Sun Jul 19 09:06:13 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:06:13 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails References: Message-ID: I have a reservation about this schema. I watched someone tear one of these drives apart trying to connect to it some other way after it failed. It brings to mind the addage, 'Don't put all your eggs in one basket.' Or, at least, make sure you've cloned your eggs. - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails Hi Max Exactly my point: 1.3 TB ~1000 * 1.3 GB databases (and how many GB sized dbs do you hold?). Equals ?0.11 or less than a US quarter or ?0.15 euro cents per database. Hardly a topic for discussion. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 19-07-2009 09:33 >>> When you consider that last week I bought 1.5Tb HD for ?110 sterling from PC World. Plugs straight into my usb port and comes up as 1.3Tb formatted. I can make copies to my hearts content and never run out of space. Max From tewald at wowway.com Sun Jul 19 09:08:27 2009 From: tewald at wowway.com (Thomas Ewald) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:08:27 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Bill of Material In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F64ED48DAEA417A85AE1DF1B0D0BC7D@desktop08> I'm looking for a pattern (template?) for a bill of material. I have many items, which in turn contain many items, etc. It needs to be "explodable" showing all items, levels and quantities. I have found a couple of things on-line, but they haven't really helped me; maybe I'm just too dense. If you're aware of a pattern/template or a REALLY GOOD explanation of how to create such a critter, please let me know. I'm getting desperate. Does anyone know of a book with a full chapter on this kind of thing? I'd actually prefer the detailed explanation (i.e., the knowledge) to the template, but I would appreciate a usable template, so that I could go on with my present project. Thanks. Tom Ewald Detroit Area From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 19 09:50:32 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 07:50:32 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I assumed he's got access to another terabyte of storage for backup. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 7:06 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails I have a reservation about this schema. I watched someone tear one of these drives apart trying to connect to it some other way after it failed. It brings to mind the addage, 'Don't put all your eggs in one basket.' Or, at least, make sure you've cloned your eggs. - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails Hi Max Exactly my point: 1.3 TB ~1000 * 1.3 GB databases (and how many GB sized dbs do you hold?). Equals ?0.11 or less than a US quarter or ?0.15 euro cents per database. Hardly a topic for discussion. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 19-07-2009 09:33 >>> When you consider that last week I bought 1.5Tb HD for ?110 sterling from PC World. Plugs straight into my usb port and comes up as 1.3Tb formatted. I can make copies to my hearts content and never run out of space. Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 19 09:51:54 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 07:51:54 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Bill of Material In-Reply-To: <1F64ED48DAEA417A85AE1DF1B0D0BC7D@desktop08> References: <1F64ED48DAEA417A85AE1DF1B0D0BC7D@desktop08> Message-ID: <9F813499178F415A9ED511C4C0FA28D2@HAL9005> Tom: Go to www.e-z-mrp.com and take a look. I've done it in spades. Be glad to answer any questions you have. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Ewald Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 7:08 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Bill of Material I'm looking for a pattern (template?) for a bill of material. I have many items, which in turn contain many items, etc. It needs to be "explodable" showing all items, levels and quantities. I have found a couple of things on-line, but they haven't really helped me; maybe I'm just too dense. If you're aware of a pattern/template or a REALLY GOOD explanation of how to create such a critter, please let me know. I'm getting desperate. Does anyone know of a book with a full chapter on this kind of thing? I'd actually prefer the detailed explanation (i.e., the knowledge) to the template, but I would appreciate a usable template, so that I could go on with my present project. Thanks. Tom Ewald Detroit Area -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 19 10:47:33 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:47:33 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Form Hosed Message-ID: <4343998E8E8246539A04ABEDCE2F3522@HAL9005> Dear List: I have a form that got hosed during design. Sure would like to get it back. It can open in form view but won't go to design view. Says 'Not enough memory to complete operation...' but I know that's not the problem. When compact and repair, decompile, and export form as text all fail, is there any other alternative to recovering this form? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 10:56:02 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:56:02 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Form Hosed In-Reply-To: <4343998E8E8246539A04ABEDCE2F3522@HAL9005> References: <4343998E8E8246539A04ABEDCE2F3522@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a634215.0a1ad00a.05f2.ffffd4b9@mx.google.com> Try exporting it as text and then reimporting it. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 16:48 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Form Hosed Dear List: I have a form that got hosed during design. Sure would like to get it back. It can open in form view but won't go to design view. Says 'Not enough memory to complete operation...' but I know that's not the problem. When compact and repair, decompile, and export form as text all fail, is there any other alternative to recovering this form? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 19 11:04:13 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:04:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Form Hosed In-Reply-To: <4a634215.0a1ad00a.05f2.ffffd4b9@mx.google.com> References: <4343998E8E8246539A04ABEDCE2F3522@HAL9005> <4a634215.0a1ad00a.05f2.ffffd4b9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <045F97EA6F0B4A03992C0387F92CF3CE@HAL9005> Exporting form as text failed. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:56 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Try exporting it as text and then reimporting it. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 16:48 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Form Hosed Dear List: I have a form that got hosed during design. Sure would like to get it back. It can open in form view but won't go to design view. Says 'Not enough memory to complete operation...' but I know that's not the problem. When compact and repair, decompile, and export form as text all fail, is there any other alternative to recovering this form? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 11:18:39 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:18:39 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Form Hosed In-Reply-To: <045F97EA6F0B4A03992C0387F92CF3CE@HAL9005> References: <4343998E8E8246539A04ABEDCE2F3522@HAL9005> <4a634215.0a1ad00a.05f2.ffffd4b9@mx.google.com> <045F97EA6F0B4A03992C0387F92CF3CE@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a634765.0702d00a.649b.ffffcf9c@mx.google.com> Hmm, that is not sound too good then Rocky. Just to confirm, the exporting should be something like: Application.saveastext,acForm,"frmNameAsString","SaveToText.txtAsString" What error did this throw up? Max Ps. Air code -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 17:04 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Exporting form as text failed. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:56 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Try exporting it as text and then reimporting it. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 16:48 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Form Hosed Dear List: I have a form that got hosed during design. Sure would like to get it back. It can open in form view but won't go to design view. Says 'Not enough memory to complete operation...' but I know that's not the problem. When compact and repair, decompile, and export form as text all fail, is there any other alternative to recovering this form? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jul 19 11:41:47 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:41:47 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails Message-ID: Hi John All the data? Two records to compare, that's all. Some of the advantages of this method: 1. Zero "special code". No looping through controls. Add auditing to any table with no fuzz. 2. No doubt if "all" changes are recorded. All fields are present. 3. No trouble with user canceling. If U or D is canceled, no audit entry (again at zero code). 4. Access to the original table(s) is not needed. All info is hold in the audit records. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-07-2009 14:28 >>> That is certainly one way to do it. OTOH, what changed? I have tables with 60 or more fields. One field changed. Why save all of that and then have to go looking through all the data to discover what changed? Not the way I would choose to do it. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Stuart and Rocky > > Why all this trouble? Today disk space cost is very low so why not just create a copy of the record before any change? > Just follow CRUD: > > C. At OnInsert: > Append a copy of the new record to the audit table. > > R. At OnCurrent (if needed which seldom, though sometimes, is the case): > Append a copy of the current record to the audit table. > > U1. At OnCurrent: > Create a temporary copy of the current record. > U2. At OnAfterUpdate: > Append the temporary copy to the audit table. > Append a copy of the updated (now current) record to the audit table. > > D1. At OnCurrent: > Create a temporary copy of the current record. > D2. At OnDelete: > Append the temporary copy to the audit table. > > This is for forms. If you have code that modifies tables, adjust the code to include similar operations. Too much trouble, you may ask? True. Auditing is trouble and use of resources. > > The audit table is identical to the table to be audited with the addition of a timestamp, a user id, and an operation code. This allows extensive and fast searching which should be the key requirement to any auditing system (what else?) like "who deleted records between then and now?" and "when were changes made for customer id x?" or "which appends or deletes have been made by user id n?". The result will - without access to the audited table - contain _all_ info, not only a PK or a few changed fields. > > When the client whines about potential disk space consumption, tell him that auditing does cost resources including disk space. If this is a true issue - if you may touch the physical limits of the database like the 2 GB limit of JET - place the audit tables in another database - or databaseS like one for each year or month. > > /gustav > > >>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 19-07-2009 01:24 >>> > > I certainly wouldn't try to trigger an audit trail at the control level. The logical place is at the > time you insert, update and delete a record. > > For the insert, you don't need to store any info about the record other than its PK. > > For the delete, you need to store all fields for the record whether they are displayed on the > deleting form or not. > > In neither of these cases do you need to iterate through controls. It's only the Edit audit that > needs iterate through the fields exposed to controls on the editing form and record which > ones have changed. > > There is a lot to be said tor using three different audit tables for the three different cases. > (That's exactly the way I've done it in the past in SQL Server using triggers). From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jul 19 11:47:18 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:47:18 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails Message-ID: Hi Rocky 1. Yes. 2. Yes, for updates and deletes. One line of code using DAO or ADO. 2. No, for inserts and reads. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 19-07-2009 14:49 >>> Gustav: Storage space won't be an issue. However, this implies an audit table for each table with userID and timestamp, yes? It would seem the reporting would be a little more tricky because you'd have to go back to the previous audit trail record for a table to find the differences, no? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails When you consider that last week I bought 1.5Tb HD for ?110 sterling from PC World. Plugs straight into my usb port and comes up as 1.3Tb formatted. I can make copies to my hearts content and never run out of space. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 19 July 2009 07:58 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails Hi Stuart and Rocky Why all this trouble? Today disk space cost is very low so why not just create a copy of the record before any change? Just follow CRUD: C. At OnInsert: Append a copy of the new record to the audit table. R. At OnCurrent (if needed which seldom, though sometimes, is the case): Append a copy of the current record to the audit table. U1. At OnCurrent: Create a temporary copy of the current record. U2. At OnAfterUpdate: Append the temporary copy to the audit table. Append a copy of the updated (now current) record to the audit table. D1. At OnCurrent: Create a temporary copy of the current record. D2. At OnDelete: Append the temporary copy to the audit table. This is for forms. If you have code that modifies tables, adjust the code to include similar operations. Too much trouble, you may ask? True. Auditing is trouble and use of resources. The audit table is identical to the table to be audited with the addition of a timestamp, a user id, and an operation code. This allows extensive and fast searching which should be the key requirement to any auditing system (what else?) like "who deleted records between then and now?" and "when were changes made for customer id x?" or "which appends or deletes have been made by user id n?". The result will - without access to the audited table - contain _all_ info, not only a PK or a few changed fields. When the client whines about potential disk space consumption, tell him that auditing does cost resources including disk space. If this is a true issue - if you may touch the physical limits of the database like the 2 GB limit of JET - place the audit tables in another database - or databaseS like one for each year or month. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 19-07-2009 01:24 >>> I certainly wouldn't try to trigger an audit trail at the control level. The logical place is at the time you insert, update and delete a record. For the insert, you don't need to store any info about the record other than its PK. For the delete, you need to store all fields for the record whether they are displayed on the deleting form or not. In neither of these cases do you need to iterate through controls. It's only the Edit audit that needs iterate through the fields exposed to controls on the editing form and record which ones have changed. There is a lot to be said tor using three different audit tables for the three different cases. (That's exactly the way I've done it in the past in SQL Server using triggers). From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jul 19 11:53:01 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:53:01 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails Message-ID: Hi Michael That is a valid concern. However, it isn't directly related to auditing if that is what you mean with "this schema". There are many ways to prevent such total failures, like mirroring, raid systems, on-line local and/or remote backup, clustered servers, etc. /gustav >>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 19-07-2009 16:06 >>> I have a reservation about this schema. I watched someone tear one of these drives apart trying to connect to it some other way after it failed. It brings to mind the addage, 'Don't put all your eggs in one basket.' Or, at least, make sure you've cloned your eggs. - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails Hi Max Exactly my point: 1.3 TB ~1000 * 1.3 GB databases (and how many GB sized dbs do you hold?). Equals ?0.11 or less than a US quarter or ?0.15 euro cents per database. Hardly a topic for discussion. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 19-07-2009 09:33 >>> When you consider that last week I bought 1.5Tb HD for ?110 sterling from PC World. Plugs straight into my usb port and comes up as 1.3Tb formatted. I can make copies to my hearts content and never run out of space. Max From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Sun Jul 19 12:56:47 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:56:47 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails References: Message-ID: <51FECB68A203447DA0C692C27ED46E5D@Mattys> Hi Gustav, My sense is that there are always optimal points with diminishing returns thereafter. No, by schema I am referring to the concept that 'more is better' might more likely turn out to be 'more rope to hang' from. - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails Hi Michael That is a valid concern. However, it isn't directly related to auditing if that is what you mean with "this schema". There are many ways to prevent such total failures, like mirroring, raid systems, on-line local and/or remote backup, clustered servers, etc. /gustav >>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 19-07-2009 16:06 >>> I have a reservation about this schema. I watched someone tear one of these drives apart trying to connect to it some other way after it failed. It brings to mind the addage, 'Don't put all your eggs in one basket.' Or, at least, make sure you've cloned your eggs. - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails Hi Max Exactly my point: 1.3 TB ~1000 * 1.3 GB databases (and how many GB sized dbs do you hold?). Equals ?0.11 or less than a US quarter or ?0.15 euro cents per database. Hardly a topic for discussion. /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 19-07-2009 09:33 >>> When you consider that last week I bought 1.5Tb HD for ?110 sterling from PC World. Plugs straight into my usb port and comes up as 1.3Tb formatted. I can make copies to my hearts content and never run out of space. Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jul 19 13:37:49 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:37:49 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Audit Trails In-Reply-To: <51FECB68A203447DA0C692C27ED46E5D@Mattys> References: <51FECB68A203447DA0C692C27ED46E5D@Mattys> Message-ID: <4A6367FD.7090208@colbyconsulting.com> I can see this kind of thing where data doesn't change often, however as an example, one of my clients is working specific records in a table every day, potentially dozens of changes, having 20, 30, 40 or more copies of each record over a month just seems like an inefficient way of logging changes. Now, we need to find out who changed this specific field... OTOH I could see this if a record is created once modified once or twice over the life of the record. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Mike Mattys wrote: > Hi Gustav, > > My sense is that there are always optimal points with diminishing > returns thereafter. No, by schema I am referring to the concept that > 'more is better' might more likely turn out to be 'more rope to hang' from. > - > Michael R Mattys > MapPoint and Database Dev > www.mattysconsulting.com > - > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:53 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails > > > Hi Michael > > That is a valid concern. However, it isn't directly related to auditing if > that is what you mean with "this schema". > > There are many ways to prevent such total failures, like mirroring, raid > systems, on-line local and/or remote backup, clustered servers, etc. > > /gustav > > >>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 19-07-2009 16:06 >>> > I have a reservation about this schema. > > I watched someone tear one of these drives apart trying to connect > to it some other way after it failed. > > It brings to mind the addage, 'Don't put all your eggs in one basket.' > Or, at least, make sure you've cloned your eggs. > > - > Michael R Mattys > MapPoint and Database Dev > www.mattysconsulting.com > - > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:52 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails > > > Hi Max > > Exactly my point: 1.3 TB ~1000 * 1.3 GB databases (and how many GB sized dbs > do you hold?). > Equals ?0.11 or less than a US quarter or ?0.15 euro cents per database. > Hardly a topic for discussion. > > /gustav > > >>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 19-07-2009 09:33 >>> > When you consider that last week I bought 1.5Tb HD for ?110 sterling from PC > World. Plugs straight into my usb port and comes up as 1.3Tb formatted. > > I can make copies to my hearts content and never run out of space. > > Max > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 19 13:41:57 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:41:57 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Form Hosed In-Reply-To: <4a634765.0702d00a.649b.ffffcf9c@mx.google.com> References: <4343998E8E8246539A04ABEDCE2F3522@HAL9005> <4a634215.0a1ad00a.05f2.ffffd4b9@mx.google.com><045F97EA6F0B4A03992C0387F92CF3CE@HAL9005> <4a634765.0702d00a.649b.ffffcf9c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <69884FF577C04F988CAF8A94064A4469@HAL9005> I did it from the File-->Export menu in the database container. And got the 'Not enough memory...' error. I'll try from a new form and see what happens. OK, it exported and I can see it in the txt file. Now how do I get it back in? T&R Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Hmm, that is not sound too good then Rocky. Just to confirm, the exporting should be something like: Application.saveastext,acForm,"frmNameAsString","SaveToText.txtAsString" What error did this throw up? Max Ps. Air code -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 17:04 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Exporting form as text failed. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:56 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Try exporting it as text and then reimporting it. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 16:48 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Form Hosed Dear List: I have a form that got hosed during design. Sure would like to get it back. It can open in form view but won't go to design view. Says 'Not enough memory to complete operation...' but I know that's not the problem. When compact and repair, decompile, and export form as text all fail, is there any other alternative to recovering this form? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 13:59:06 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:59:06 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Form Hosed In-Reply-To: <69884FF577C04F988CAF8A94064A4469@HAL9005> References: <4343998E8E8246539A04ABEDCE2F3522@HAL9005> <4a634215.0a1ad00a.05f2.ffffd4b9@mx.google.com><045F97EA6F0B4A03992C0387F92CF3CE@HAL9005> <4a634765.0702d00a.649b.ffffcf9c@mx.google.com> <69884FF577C04F988CAF8A94064A4469@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a636d00.1c07d00a.1f3f.ffffea06@mx.google.com> You can reverse the function, Application.loadfromtext acForm, "frmNameYouWant","pathandnameoftextfile" acForm can be replaced with any of the access object types to export and import - this is the essence of EATBloat What is T&R? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 19:42 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed I did it from the File-->Export menu in the database container. And got the 'Not enough memory...' error. I'll try from a new form and see what happens. OK, it exported and I can see it in the txt file. Now how do I get it back in? T&R Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Hmm, that is not sound too good then Rocky. Just to confirm, the exporting should be something like: Application.saveastext,acForm,"frmNameAsString","SaveToText.txtAsString" What error did this throw up? Max Ps. Air code -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 17:04 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Exporting form as text failed. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:56 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Try exporting it as text and then reimporting it. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 16:48 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Form Hosed Dear List: I have a form that got hosed during design. Sure would like to get it back. It can open in form view but won't go to design view. Says 'Not enough memory to complete operation...' but I know that's not the problem. When compact and repair, decompile, and export form as text all fail, is there any other alternative to recovering this form? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 19 14:51:37 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:51:37 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Form Hosed In-Reply-To: <4a636d00.1c07d00a.1f3f.ffffea06@mx.google.com> References: <4343998E8E8246539A04ABEDCE2F3522@HAL9005> <4a634215.0a1ad00a.05f2.ffffd4b9@mx.google.com><045F97EA6F0B4A03992C0387F92CF3CE@HAL9005> <4a634765.0702d00a.649b.ffffcf9c@mx.google.com><69884FF577C04F988CAF8A94064A4469@HAL9005> <4a636d00.1c07d00a.1f3f.ffffea06@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <40D6D0A958EB4C21B5EEC58C3A49C938@HAL9005> Holy air code, batman! You've done it! Saved my bacon. T&R (thanks and regards) Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 11:59 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed You can reverse the function, Application.loadfromtext acForm, "frmNameYouWant","pathandnameoftextfile" acForm can be replaced with any of the access object types to export and import - this is the essence of EATBloat What is T&R? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 19:42 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed I did it from the File-->Export menu in the database container. And got the 'Not enough memory...' error. I'll try from a new form and see what happens. OK, it exported and I can see it in the txt file. Now how do I get it back in? T&R Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Hmm, that is not sound too good then Rocky. Just to confirm, the exporting should be something like: Application.saveastext,acForm,"frmNameAsString","SaveToText.txtAsString" What error did this throw up? Max Ps. Air code -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 17:04 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Exporting form as text failed. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:56 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Try exporting it as text and then reimporting it. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 16:48 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Form Hosed Dear List: I have a form that got hosed during design. Sure would like to get it back. It can open in form view but won't go to design view. Says 'Not enough memory to complete operation...' but I know that's not the problem. When compact and repair, decompile, and export form as text all fail, is there any other alternative to recovering this form? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 14:58:57 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:58:57 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Form Hosed In-Reply-To: <40D6D0A958EB4C21B5EEC58C3A49C938@HAL9005> References: <4343998E8E8246539A04ABEDCE2F3522@HAL9005> <4a634215.0a1ad00a.05f2.ffffd4b9@mx.google.com><045F97EA6F0B4A03992C0387F92CF3CE@HAL9005> <4a634765.0702d00a.649b.ffffcf9c@mx.google.com><69884FF577C04F988CAF8A94064A4469@HAL9005> <4a636d00.1c07d00a.1f3f.ffffea06@mx.google.com> <40D6D0A958EB4C21B5EEC58C3A49C938@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a637b03.1701d00a.1cae.0390@mx.google.com> My pleasure. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 20:52 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Holy air code, batman! You've done it! Saved my bacon. T&R (thanks and regards) Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 11:59 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed You can reverse the function, Application.loadfromtext acForm, "frmNameYouWant","pathandnameoftextfile" acForm can be replaced with any of the access object types to export and import - this is the essence of EATBloat What is T&R? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 19:42 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed I did it from the File-->Export menu in the database container. And got the 'Not enough memory...' error. I'll try from a new form and see what happens. OK, it exported and I can see it in the txt file. Now how do I get it back in? T&R Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Hmm, that is not sound too good then Rocky. Just to confirm, the exporting should be something like: Application.saveastext,acForm,"frmNameAsString","SaveToText.txtAsString" What error did this throw up? Max Ps. Air code -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 17:04 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Exporting form as text failed. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:56 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Hosed Try exporting it as text and then reimporting it. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 19 July 2009 16:48 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Form Hosed Dear List: I have a form that got hosed during design. Sure would like to get it back. It can open in form view but won't go to design view. Says 'Not enough memory to complete operation...' but I know that's not the problem. When compact and repair, decompile, and export form as text all fail, is there any other alternative to recovering this form? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Sun Jul 19 15:09:54 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:09:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails In-Reply-To: References: <4a62cc66.0707d00a.6d3e.1970@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I almost hate to suggest this Rocky, but if the audit trail is so important, why not look at a different backend. SQL Server Express will let you use triggers, you setup a trigger for INSERT, UPDATE and DELETE for each table you want to audit. Then you don't have to worry about what process is doing what, the database does the audit automatically..... Like I said, this pushes the backend away from Access, but auditing is one feature of a server side database that is just makes more sense to do that there.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 7:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails Gustav: Storage space won't be an issue. However, this implies an audit table for each table with userID and timestamp, yes? It would seem the reporting would be a little more tricky because you'd have to go back to the previous audit trail record for a table to find the differences, no? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails When you consider that last week I bought 1.5Tb HD for ?110 sterling from PC World. Plugs straight into my usb port and comes up as 1.3Tb formatted. I can make copies to my hearts content and never run out of space. Max The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 19 16:07:42 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:07:42 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails In-Reply-To: References: <4a62cc66.0707d00a.6d3e.1970@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <27B2B11BD6DF476F89E2132C37E490CD@HAL9005> I may. Just coming up against this requirement - don't usually need to do this kind of auditing for most tif my clients - they're too small to worry about it. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:10 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails I almost hate to suggest this Rocky, but if the audit trail is so important, why not look at a different backend. SQL Server Express will let you use triggers, you setup a trigger for INSERT, UPDATE and DELETE for each table you want to audit. Then you don't have to worry about what process is doing what, the database does the audit automatically..... Like I said, this pushes the backend away from Access, but auditing is one feature of a server side database that is just makes more sense to do that there.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 7:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails Gustav: Storage space won't be an issue. However, this implies an audit table for each table with userID and timestamp, yes? It would seem the reporting would be a little more tricky because you'd have to go back to the previous audit trail record for a table to find the differences, no? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails When you consider that last week I bought 1.5Tb HD for ?110 sterling from PC World. Plugs straight into my usb port and comes up as 1.3Tb formatted. I can make copies to my hearts content and never run out of space. Max The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Sun Jul 19 19:04:06 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:04:06 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails In-Reply-To: References: <4a62cc66.0707d00a.6d3e.1970@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBC0@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Agreed, This is exactly what I have been thinking all this thread. We use triggers a lot for tracking changes (who, when, what etc) and they are great. regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Monday, 20 July 2009 6:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails I almost hate to suggest this Rocky, but if the audit trail is so important, why not look at a different backend. SQL Server Express will let you use triggers, you setup a trigger for INSERT, UPDATE and DELETE for each table you want to audit. Then you don't have to worry about what process is doing what, the database does the audit automatically..... Like I said, this pushes the backend away from Access, but auditing is one feature of a server side database that is just makes more sense to do that there.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 7:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails Gustav: Storage space won't be an issue. However, this implies an audit table for each table with userID and timestamp, yes? It would seem the reporting would be a little more tricky because you'd have to go back to the previous audit trail record for a table to find the differences, no? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:34 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails When you consider that last week I bought 1.5Tb HD for ?110 sterling from PC World. Plugs straight into my usb port and comes up as 1.3Tb formatted. I can make copies to my hearts content and never run out of space. Max The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. 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The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jul 20 00:12:13 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:12:13 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Audit Trails In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBC0@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: , , <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBC0@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <4A63FCAD.22584.AE705F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I said something similar right at the beginning of this thread. :-) On 20 Jul 2009 at 10:04, Darryl Collins wrote: > Agreed, This is exactly what I have been thinking all this thread. We use triggers a lot for tracking changes (who, when, what etc) and they are great. > > regards > Darryl. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: Monday, 20 July 2009 6:10 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails > > I almost hate to suggest this Rocky, but if the audit trail is so important, why not look at a different backend. SQL Server Express will let you use triggers, you setup a trigger for INSERT, UPDATE and DELETE for each table you want to audit. Then you don't have to worry about what process is doing what, the database does the audit automatically..... > > Like I said, this pushes the backend away from Access, but auditing is one feature of a server side database that is just makes more sense to do that there.... > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 7:50 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails > > Gustav: > > Storage space won't be an issue. However, this implies an audit table for > each table with userID and timestamp, yes? It would seem the reporting > would be a little more tricky because you'd have to go back to the previous > audit trail record for a table to find the differences, no? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:34 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Audit Trails > > When you consider that last week I bought 1.5Tb HD for ?110 sterling from PC > World. Plugs straight into my usb port and comes up as 1.3Tb formatted. > > I can make copies to my hearts content and never run out of space. > > Max > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential > information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete > this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright > is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in > error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any > attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is > free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any > loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's > responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to > resupplying the material. > ______________________________________________________________________ > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jul 20 01:26:22 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:26:22 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT: The mission to the Moon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C75DEE1B3A34325BD12B37D443095F1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Incredible... loved it. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:09 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] OT: The mission to the Moon Hi all A site is set up to replay in real time for the next days the full mission 40 years ago: http://wechoosethemoon.org A must if you - as I did - spent hours and hours in front of the TV to view this - perhaps - greatest moment in history of mankind. Notice the great animation of the physical blade-digit counters displaying the count downs. To pick a detail, read here the story about the on-board computer, Apollo Guidance Computer (AGC), and its 160K hand-built memory: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8148730.stm including how and why a team of skilled textile workers played a key role in building this crucial module! That story was new to me. Never again talk about a single bit without respect. What really put this mission in perspective is that even today, 40 years later, if you planned a similar mission, it would be considered to touch the limit of the possible if not to be regarded as just too risky. Amazing. /gustav -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paulrster at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 03:24:15 2009 From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:24:15 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT: The mission to the Moon In-Reply-To: <8C75DEE1B3A34325BD12B37D443095F1@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <8C75DEE1B3A34325BD12B37D443095F1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1ad7dee90907200124hbc82abl2f7c052ab73e27c5@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Gustav. (Your comments remind me of the massive memory in my first IBM look-alike, a vast 64k.) Cheers paul 2009/7/20 Jim Lawrence > Incredible... loved it. Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:09 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] OT: The mission to the Moon > > Hi all > > A site is set up to replay in real time for the next days the full mission > 40 years ago: > > http://wechoosethemoon.org > > A must if you - as I did - spent hours and hours in front of the TV to view > this - perhaps - greatest moment in history of mankind. > Notice the great animation of the physical blade-digit counters displaying > the count downs. > > To pick a detail, read here the story about the on-board computer, Apollo > Guidance Computer (AGC), and its 160K hand-built memory: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8148730.stm > > including how and why a team of skilled textile workers played a key role > in > building this crucial module! That story was new to me. Never again talk > about a single bit without respect. > > What really put this mission in perspective is that even today, 40 years > later, if you planned a similar mission, it would be considered to touch > the > limit of the possible if not to be regarded as just too risky. Amazing. > > /gustav > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com Mon Jul 20 08:29:25 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:29:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness In-Reply-To: <005301ca07ad$78ddf830$9e5fa27a@personald6374f> References: <005301ca07ad$78ddf830$9e5fa27a@personald6374f> Message-ID: Thank you A.D. As ever, you provide a very clear explanation that is the definitive solution to the puzzle. It was indeed a misinterpreted Date value problem after all. And to think that I doubted Gustav's word. A.D., your skills of analysis and coding never cease to amaze me. Thank you again, Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:39 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness Lambert, You have touched upon an interesting aspect of format function. My findings (Access 2003 on Win XP) are placed below, for corroborative verification at your end as well as by other interested members of this forum. The result "-000-50-3778" given by Format("520-09-0012","000-00-0000") is explained by the fact that "520-09-0012" gets interpreted as 12-Sep-520, which has an offset of -503778 days as compared to 30-Dec-1899 (reckoned as the zero point). This value when accommodated in format string "000-00-0000", right to left, gives "-000-50-3778" In the above input string, if the last component is given a value greater than "0030" (as there are only 30 days in Sep) or less than "0001", e.g. "520-09-0031" or "520-09-0000", it is no longer interpretable as a date and there is no aberration in the result. However, it is to be noted that the seemingly satisfactory result "520-09-0031" given by the expression Format("520-09-0031","000-00-0000") does not represent successful enforcement of Format() function. Rather, it is an outcome of the fact that formatting has not been performed at all and the original string stands unscathed. This is because format string with zero's as place holders becomes effective only in following cases: (a) The input argument is either a number or a string consisting purely of digits, satisfying the test IsNumeric("<>") = True. For example, Format("11", "000-00-0000") will give "000-00-0011", while Format("'11", "000-00-0000"), where a single quote has been placed at the beginning of input string, will just give "'11" (i.e. the original string). (b) The input argument is a string that despite not being made up of pure digits, can be interpreted as date, satisfying the test IsDate("<>") = True. In such a case the days offset with respect to 30-Dec-1899 is subjected to the intended format action, filling up the place holders from right to left (default behavior). Access is very pro-active in interpreting strings as dates and will precipitate this formatting behavior whenever there is the slightest scope for doing so. It is a different matter that the resulting formatted string does not make any apparent sense and looks weird. If it is desired that irrespective of the character combinations, the input string should invariably be treated as string and formatted as desired, @ has to be used as place holder in lieu of zero. In this case, formatting will always be successful, without any weird results, even when non-digital characters are present. However, for non-distorted results, an important over-riding precaution as stated below, needs to be exercised in both cases (whether @ or 0 is used as place holder): "None Of The Characters Used As Separators In Formatting String Should Be Present In The Input String." Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 08:30:28 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:30:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with Opening a Word document from within Access Message-ID: <29f585dd0907200630n5dd8a025yee98ac2f12a9f656@mail.gmail.com> This one is very bizarre, folks. The app in question has been in use for several years and the following code snippet now fails on my home machine. Basically it opens a Word template file and then fills its bookmarks with values from Access. Now, for some reason, I am able to run this code successfully. The template file exists and I can open it manually from Word without problems. But the following code snippet fails on the last line, when it attempts to get the bookmark count. The reason is that the document is not open. Word is open and visible, but the document is not loaded. I have no idea why this is happening. Do you have any suggestions? Set objWord = GetObject(, "Word.Application") If Err.Number <> 0 Then Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") End If ' Launch Word and load the invoice template On Error GoTo Create_PSR_Doc_Error 'Make sure we have a Word Instance If objWord Is Nothing Then Err.Raise 65355, "Create_PSR_Doc", "Word is not available" End If 'Set objWord = New Word.Application Dim doc As Word.Document Dim strTemplateFile As String strTemplateFile = "C:\DSA\Document Templates\PSR_Report_Template_20060223.dot" 'TEMPLATEPATH Set doc = objWord.Documents.Add(strTemplateFile) objWord.Visible = True ' At this point, Word is visible, but the document is not loaded Debug.Print "Bookmark count:", objWord.ActiveDocument.Bookmarks.Count ' Code crashes on the line above It gets stranger. I just inserted a break point on the third last line (the "Set doc" line) and began to single-step. After running this line, the doc variable is nothing. I am deeply puzzled by this. Any suggestions you might have would be greatly appreciated. I'm going to try this code on my notebook computer and see if it has the same strange behaviour. Thanks, Arthur From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Mon Jul 20 08:47:05 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:47:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with Opening a Word document from within Access References: <29f585dd0907200630n5dd8a025yee98ac2f12a9f656@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <096A0AA61E23414CBD149F92619AA712@Mattys> Hi Arthur, Maybe you have an instance already running in Task Manager. Sometimes it doesn't warn you. - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:30 AM Subject: [AccessD] Problem with Opening a Word document from within Access > This one is very bizarre, folks. The app in question has been in use for > several years and the following code snippet now fails on my home machine. > Basically it opens a Word template file and then fills its bookmarks with > values from Access. > > Now, for some reason, I am able to run this code successfully. The > template > file exists and I can open it manually from Word without problems. But the > following code snippet fails on the last line, when it attempts to get the > bookmark count. The reason is that the document is not open. Word is open > and visible, but the document is not loaded. I have no idea why this is > happening. Do you have any suggestions? > > > > Set objWord = GetObject(, "Word.Application") > If Err.Number <> 0 Then > Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") > End If > ' Launch Word and load the invoice template > On Error GoTo Create_PSR_Doc_Error > > 'Make sure we have a Word Instance > If objWord Is Nothing Then > Err.Raise 65355, "Create_PSR_Doc", "Word is not available" > End If > 'Set objWord = New Word.Application > Dim doc As Word.Document > Dim strTemplateFile As String > > strTemplateFile = "C:\DSA\Document > Templates\PSR_Report_Template_20060223.dot" 'TEMPLATEPATH > Set doc = objWord.Documents.Add(strTemplateFile) > objWord.Visible = True > ' At this point, Word is visible, but the document is not loaded > Debug.Print "Bookmark count:", objWord.ActiveDocument.Bookmarks.Count > ' Code crashes on the line above > > > It gets stranger. I just inserted a break point on the third last line > (the > "Set doc" line) and began to single-step. After running this line, the doc > variable is nothing. I am deeply puzzled by this. Any suggestions you > might > have would be greatly appreciated. I'm going to try this code on my > notebook > computer and see if it has the same strange behaviour. > > Thanks, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 09:10:14 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:10:14 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with Opening a Word document from within Access In-Reply-To: <096A0AA61E23414CBD149F92619AA712@Mattys> References: <29f585dd0907200630n5dd8a025yee98ac2f12a9f656@mail.gmail.com> <096A0AA61E23414CBD149F92619AA712@Mattys> Message-ID: <4a647ac9.1c07d00a.1d77.ffff83da@mx.google.com> Could it be an office update which has changed things? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: 20 July 2009 14:47 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problem with Opening a Word document from within Access Hi Arthur, Maybe you have an instance already running in Task Manager. Sometimes it doesn't warn you. - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:30 AM Subject: [AccessD] Problem with Opening a Word document from within Access > This one is very bizarre, folks. The app in question has been in use for > several years and the following code snippet now fails on my home machine. > Basically it opens a Word template file and then fills its bookmarks with > values from Access. > > Now, for some reason, I am able to run this code successfully. The > template > file exists and I can open it manually from Word without problems. But the > following code snippet fails on the last line, when it attempts to get the > bookmark count. The reason is that the document is not open. Word is open > and visible, but the document is not loaded. I have no idea why this is > happening. Do you have any suggestions? > > > > Set objWord = GetObject(, "Word.Application") > If Err.Number <> 0 Then > Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application") > End If > ' Launch Word and load the invoice template > On Error GoTo Create_PSR_Doc_Error > > 'Make sure we have a Word Instance > If objWord Is Nothing Then > Err.Raise 65355, "Create_PSR_Doc", "Word is not available" > End If > 'Set objWord = New Word.Application > Dim doc As Word.Document > Dim strTemplateFile As String > > strTemplateFile = "C:\DSA\Document > Templates\PSR_Report_Template_20060223.dot" 'TEMPLATEPATH > Set doc = objWord.Documents.Add(strTemplateFile) > objWord.Visible = True > ' At this point, Word is visible, but the document is not loaded > Debug.Print "Bookmark count:", objWord.ActiveDocument.Bookmarks.Count > ' Code crashes on the line above > > > It gets stranger. I just inserted a break point on the third last line > (the > "Set doc" line) and began to single-step. After running this line, the doc > variable is nothing. I am deeply puzzled by this. Any suggestions you > might > have would be greatly appreciated. I'm going to try this code on my > notebook > computer and see if it has the same strange behaviour. > > Thanks, > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From adtp at airtelmail.in Mon Jul 20 09:07:07 2009 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:37:07 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness References: <005301ca07ad$78ddf830$9e5fa27a@personald6374f> Message-ID: <006401ca0943$dbf5ac50$b65ea27a@personald6374f> You are most welcome Lambert! And thanks for such generous compliments - which are indeed precious to me. I would like to add that over the years, I have benefited significantly from your posts. Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Heenan, Lambert To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 18:59 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format wierdness - was - TransferText wierdness Thank you A.D. As ever, you provide a very clear explanation that is the definitive solution to the puzzle. It was indeed a misinterpreted Date value problem after all. And to think that I doubted Gustav's word. A.D., your skills of analysis and coding never cease to amaze me. Thank you again, Lambert From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com Mon Jul 20 09:49:17 2009 From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:49:17 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Can Grow Message-ID: <4A6483ED.3020502@nanaimo.ark.com> Hey All I know this has been asked before and I know CanGrow does not work on forms. But does anyone have any code that solves this problem and allows this to be done on a continuous form???? I know I can do this in the OnCurrent event and Leban's also has some code but neither work with continous forms displays. Lost in the ether. Thanks From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Jul 20 10:24:14 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:24:14 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code In-Reply-To: <331743DFEE764D93A4200BDA00970FE4@HAL9005> References: <3B4571661DA54C7496A155FB68504A65@SusanOne><31CD5A10EDA3423CB466A6EDAB47F499@SusanOne> <331743DFEE764D93A4200BDA00970FE4@HAL9005> Message-ID: Well for one reason, the monthname is derived from the regional settings, so if you use a that, the months will automatically be in the local language settings. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:16 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code Since it's just a combo with month names (and they very rarely, if ever, change), why not just hard code the Value List into the Row Source of the combo box? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] simple piece of month-naming code We've already written this one. ;) Susan H. > > Drew (I know you said you didn't need any more help, but there might > be an article in setting up callback functions like this....) -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Jul 20 10:31:48 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:31:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Can Grow In-Reply-To: <4A6483ED.3020502@nanaimo.ark.com> References: <4A6483ED.3020502@nanaimo.ark.com> Message-ID: You can't do this because you have only a single row in a continuous form, even though it looks otherwise. You may need to redesign your form or else use zoomboxes to display additional data. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:49 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Can Grow Hey All I know this has been asked before and I know CanGrow does not work on forms. But does anyone have any code that solves this problem and allows this to be done on a continuous form???? I know I can do this in the OnCurrent event and Leban's also has some code but neither work with continous forms displays. Lost in the ether. Thanks -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com Mon Jul 20 10:42:46 2009 From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:42:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Can Grow Message-ID: <4A649076.2010108@nanaimo.ark.com> Hey Charlotte What are zoomboxes??? From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Jul 20 10:52:17 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:52:17 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Can Grow In-Reply-To: <4A649076.2010108@nanaimo.ark.com> References: <4A649076.2010108@nanaimo.ark.com> Message-ID: The built in one are those you get when you put your cursor in a field and press shift+F2. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:43 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Can Grow Hey Charlotte What are zoomboxes??? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 11:05:55 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:05:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with Opening a Word document from within Access In-Reply-To: <4a647ac9.1c07d00a.1d77.ffff83da@mx.google.com> References: <29f585dd0907200630n5dd8a025yee98ac2f12a9f656@mail.gmail.com> <096A0AA61E23414CBD149F92619AA712@Mattys> <4a647ac9.1c07d00a.1d77.ffff83da@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907200905x6a51cdd7m66fb56ff4c300e1e@mail.gmail.com> That's possible. I'm going to create a brand-new VM and install Office 2003 on it to see if I get anywhere. The funniest part of this is that it runs correctly on my client's machine -- just not on mine! When was the last time you heard that? Arthur On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Could it be an office update which has changed things? > > Max > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 11:10:44 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:10:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Default Form and Report Message-ID: <29f585dd0907200910m2430cb50m3fcb6d3aab05aeb1@mail.gmail.com> In all my years of Access development, I have never touched these items (which are located on the Options page). I have no idea how to use them, and also no idea whether they are app-specific or system-wide. How does one use them? Do I create a form/report with the desired header and footer and perhaps also command buttons (on the form), and then give it a name such as "Normal_frm" and "Normal_rpt" and then everything I've done to them gets copied to any new form or report I create? If so, that would be a very nice time-saving feature. Thanks, Arthur From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Jul 20 11:34:15 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:34:15 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Default Form and Report In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907200910m2430cb50m3fcb6d3aab05aeb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0907200910m2430cb50m3fcb6d3aab05aeb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You just give it the name Normal, for both the form and the report. They are useful in setting up things like colors, fonts, and the default size and characteristics of specific control types, but you won't get the header, footer, and command buttons. It saves you having to fight with fonts, etc., but the inheritance is minimal. I usually put stuff like headers, footers and buttons on subforms anyhow and then just drop them on the forms that needed them. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:11 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Default Form and Report In all my years of Access development, I have never touched these items (which are located on the Options page). I have no idea how to use them, and also no idea whether they are app-specific or system-wide. How does one use them? Do I create a form/report with the desired header and footer and perhaps also command buttons (on the form), and then give it a name such as "Normal_frm" and "Normal_rpt" and then everything I've done to them gets copied to any new form or report I create? If so, that would be a very nice time-saving feature. Thanks, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 11:42:59 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:42:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Default Form and Report In-Reply-To: References: <29f585dd0907200910m2430cb50m3fcb6d3aab05aeb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907200942j629e40f3s8c99678cbc0d6733@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Charlotte. I'll give that a try and see what results. A. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Charlotte Foust < cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote: > You just give it the name Normal, for both the form and the report. > They are useful in setting up things like colors, fonts, and the default > size and characteristics of specific control types, but you won't get > the header, footer, and command buttons. It saves you having to fight > with fonts, etc., but the inheritance is minimal. I usually put stuff > like headers, footers and buttons on subforms anyhow and then just drop > them on the forms that needed them. > > Charlotte Foust > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 12:34:41 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:34:41 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with Opening a Word document from within Access In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907200905x6a51cdd7m66fb56ff4c300e1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0907200630n5dd8a025yee98ac2f12a9f656@mail.gmail.com> <096A0AA61E23414CBD149F92619AA712@Mattys> <4a647ac9.1c07d00a.1d77.ffff83da@mx.google.com> <29f585dd0907200905x6a51cdd7m66fb56ff4c300e1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a64aab3.0707d00a.364d.ffffb112@mx.google.com> When you updated and he hadn't, perhaps? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 20 July 2009 17:06 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problem with Opening a Word document from within Access That's possible. I'm going to create a brand-new VM and install Office 2003 on it to see if I get anywhere. The funniest part of this is that it runs correctly on my client's machine -- just not on mine! When was the last time you heard that? Arthur On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Could it be an office update which has changed things? > > Max > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 13:10:29 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:10:29 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 Message-ID: <40E48AE6752A4D0DA3E15367F0D1B8A0@SusanOne> Is there anyway to disable the automatic date picker that pops up when you insert a time field? Susan H. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 13:15:06 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:15:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Problem with Opening a Word document from within Access In-Reply-To: <4a64aab3.0707d00a.364d.ffffb112@mx.google.com> References: <29f585dd0907200630n5dd8a025yee98ac2f12a9f656@mail.gmail.com> <096A0AA61E23414CBD149F92619AA712@Mattys> <4a647ac9.1c07d00a.1d77.ffff83da@mx.google.com> <29f585dd0907200905x6a51cdd7m66fb56ff4c300e1e@mail.gmail.com> <4a64aab3.0707d00a.364d.ffffb112@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907201115m53e855c9p295a5b3f486326fd@mail.gmail.com> Sad but no cigar. We are both on SP3 of Office 2003. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > When you updated and he hadn't, perhaps? > > Max > From JHewson at nciinc.com Mon Jul 20 13:37:23 2009 From: JHewson at nciinc.com (Hewson, Jim ) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:37:23 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 In-Reply-To: <40E48AE6752A4D0DA3E15367F0D1B8A0@SusanOne> References: <40E48AE6752A4D0DA3E15367F0D1B8A0@SusanOne> Message-ID: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE1E5@sanex101.nciinc.com> The only way I know of is to modify each control's properties. Format tab, should be the fourth one down. I don't think there is a way to change the default so it's always turned off when adding a control. At least I haven't found it. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 1:10 PM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 Is there anyway to disable the automatic date picker that pops up when you insert a time field? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ################################################################################ If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender immediately and be aware that the use, copying, or dissemination of this information is prohibited. This email transmission contains information from NCI Information Systems, Inc. that may be considered privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the named recipient. ################################################################################ From Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com Mon Jul 20 14:04:16 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:04:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 In-Reply-To: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE1E5@sanex101.nciinc.com> References: <40E48AE6752A4D0DA3E15367F0D1B8A0@SusanOne> <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE1E5@sanex101.nciinc.com> Message-ID: Not yet an Access 2007 victim, but I was wondering if this was an extension to the old idea of defining a "Display Control" in the table design. In table design you have two tabs: General, and Lookup. On the Lookup tab, for fields of type Text, Number and Yes/No you can choose what type of control will be used as the default for the data. Has this (mainly unused and for good reason) feature been extended to Date/Time fields? Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hewson, Jim Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 The only way I know of is to modify each control's properties. Format tab, should be the fourth one down. I don't think there is a way to change the default so it's always turned off when adding a control. At least I haven't found it. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 1:10 PM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 Is there anyway to disable the automatic date picker that pops up when you insert a time field? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ################################################################################ If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender immediately and be aware that the use, copying, or dissemination of this information is prohibited. This email transmission contains information from NCI Information Systems, Inc. that may be considered privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the named recipient. ################################################################################ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 15:10:55 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:10:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 In-Reply-To: <40E48AE6752A4D0DA3E15367F0D1B8A0@SusanOne> References: <40E48AE6752A4D0DA3E15367F0D1B8A0@SusanOne> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907201310k5583ed27ub7bde37ed69da65f@mail.gmail.com> My question would be, Why would you want to? If you want to type in a date, it works fine. If you would rather hunt and pick, it works fine. Just wondering why you should want to cripple this auto-functionality. Arthur On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Is there anyway to disable the automatic date picker that pops up when you > insert a time field? > > Susan H. > From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 15:15:38 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:15:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 References: <40E48AE6752A4D0DA3E15367F0D1B8A0@SusanOne> <29f585dd0907201310k5583ed27ub7bde37ed69da65f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0211ADDAFE3B4E53AFF6F6341AAB730B@SusanOne> Don't want to enter a date, want to enter a time. I've uninstalled 2007 for the time-being, but a reader sent this in. I do remember the date picker being broken in 2007, but I don't recall the specifics. Susan H. > My question would be, Why would you want to? If you want to type in a > date, > it works fine. If you would rather hunt and pick, it works fine. > > Just wondering why you should want to cripple this auto-functionality. > > Arthur From davidmcafee at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 15:52:42 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:52:42 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 In-Reply-To: <0211ADDAFE3B4E53AFF6F6341AAB730B@SusanOne> References: <40E48AE6752A4D0DA3E15367F0D1B8A0@SusanOne> <29f585dd0907201310k5583ed27ub7bde37ed69da65f@mail.gmail.com> <0211ADDAFE3B4E53AFF6F6341AAB730B@SusanOne> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907201352l14c6c978j4408245132fd2f65@mail.gmail.com> Maybe somebody has their homemade version (from prior versions) that does something specific for the company/customer. I like it, but I also thought about how somebody would turn it off if they needed to. D > > My question would be, Why would you want to? If you want to type in a > > date, > > it works fine. If you would rather hunt and pick, it works fine. > > > > Just wondering why you should want to cripple this auto-functionality. > > > > Arthur > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 21 09:40:23 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:40:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck Message-ID: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> And should never be used. EVER! ;) -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Tue Jul 21 09:45:40 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:45:40 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Really? I've always heard that you should only use Natural Keys, defined with a Field Lookup, in bound systems...... ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:40 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck And should never be used. EVER! ;) -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 21 09:56:13 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:56:13 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A65D70D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com> Oooops, I forgot, I use surrogate keys. Natural keys suck and should NEVER be used. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com jwcolby wrote: > And should never be used. EVER! > > ;) > From Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com Tue Jul 21 10:37:42 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:37:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <4A65D70D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> <4A65D70D.9060901@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Well naturally! :-) Any piece of data that means something is subject to the wholly illogical whims of users who might change its meaning at any time. Less than ideal for a key. Now it's always possible to have surrogate surrogate keys: the user thinks they are looking at the key value, but it's just faked to keep them happy. :-) Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:56 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck Oooops, I forgot, I use surrogate keys. Natural keys suck and should NEVER be used. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com jwcolby wrote: > And should never be used. EVER! > > ;) > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 11:25:42 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:25:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Java Reference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd go with the O'Reilly book, "Java in a Nutshell, 5th edition" $29.67 at Amazon. At least look at the reviews there for some input. It's 1200 pages. So it's a BIG Nutshell. Coconut maybe? GK On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > Is there a Java book that would be the equivalent of the ADH? ?IOW, a real > good reference book? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jul 21 11:27:54 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:27:54 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Java Reference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FC32D7332A647CCBF0627C74088B9B0@HAL9005> Thanks. I'll take a look Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:26 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Java Reference I'd go with the O'Reilly book, "Java in a Nutshell, 5th edition" $29.67 at Amazon. At least look at the reviews there for some input. It's 1200 pages. So it's a BIG Nutshell. Coconut maybe? GK On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > Is there a Java book that would be the equivalent of the ADH? ?IOW, a > real good reference book? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Jul 21 13:57:54 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:57:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <8F17DD99D70E4BBF9AE0333CA9FE6319@XPS> Got an article on keys that I'm going to post on Experts-Exchange in the next week or so. You guys should love it. I'll post it here as well when I'm done. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:40 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck And should never be used. EVER! ;) -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Tue Jul 21 15:07:10 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:07:10 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: John, I guess there has been an "incident" that has triggered your comment. Care to share? Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "jwcolby" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:40 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > And should never be used. EVER! > > ;) From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Tue Jul 21 15:18:45 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:18:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: We needed some action. - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Schapel" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > John, > > I guess there has been an "incident" that has triggered your comment. > Care > to share? > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "jwcolby" > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:40 AM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > >> And should never be used. EVER! >> >> ;) > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 15:29:43 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:29:43 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com> The automobile driving manual says the average driver's reaction time is: .75 seconds or 1 car length for every 10mph. Test your average reaction time. Be careful this can be addictive! http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sleep/sheep/reaction_version5.swf That should give you all the action you need. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: 21 July 2009 21:19 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck We needed some action. - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Schapel" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > John, > > I guess there has been an "incident" that has triggered your comment. > Care > to share? > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "jwcolby" > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:40 AM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > >> And should never be used. EVER! >> >> ;) > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 16:32:25 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:32:25 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com> .234 average reaction time the first time around. I was sneezing while playing. .1872 the second time around On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > The automobile driving manual says the average driver's reaction time is: > .75 seconds or 1 car length for every 10mph. Test your average reaction > time. Be careful this can be addictive! > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sleep/sheep/reaction_version5.swf > > That should give you all the action you need. > > > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys > Sent: 21 July 2009 21:19 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > We needed some action. > > - > Michael R Mattys > MapPoint and Database Dev > www.mattysconsulting.com > - > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Schapel" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > > > John, > > > > I guess there has been an "incident" that has triggered your comment. > > Care > > to share? > > > > Regards > > Steve > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "jwcolby" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:40 AM > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > > >> And should never be used. EVER! > >> > >> ;) > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 16:35:17 2009 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:35:17 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0907211435pf46cef4yf672e8e8d7ceba15@mail.gmail.com> You shouldn't be sucking on your keys in any case - it's bad for your teeth. Doug Steele From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Jul 21 17:14:47 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:14:47 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> There's a big difference between your reaction time when you are waiting for a specific event to occur in the next few seconds and your reaction time when you are driving along a road and something unexpected happens. -- Stuart On 21 Jul 2009 at 14:32, David McAfee wrote: > .234 average reaction time the first time around. I was sneezing while > playing. > .1872 the second time around > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > The automobile driving manual says the average driver's reaction time is: > > .75 seconds or 1 car length for every 10mph. Test your average reaction > > time. Be careful this can be addictive! > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sleep/sheep/reaction_version5.swf > > > > That should give you all the action you need. > > > > > > > > Max > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys > > Sent: 21 July 2009 21:19 > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > > > We needed some action. > > > > - > > Michael R Mattys > > MapPoint and Database Dev > > www.mattysconsulting.com > > - > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Schapel" > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > I guess there has been an "incident" that has triggered your comment. > > > Care > > > to share? > > > > > > Regards > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > From: "jwcolby" > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:40 AM > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > > > > >> And should never be used. EVER! > > >> > > >> ;) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Tue Jul 21 17:31:02 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:31:02 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com> <4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: True. Plus you don't operate your car's brakes with a mouse. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stuart McLachlan" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:14 AM > There's a big difference between your reaction time when you are waiting > for a specific > event to occur in the next few seconds and your reaction time when you > are driving along a > road and something unexpected happens. > From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Tue Jul 21 18:10:58 2009 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:10:58 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 In-Reply-To: <0211ADDAFE3B4E53AFF6F6341AAB730B@SusanOne> References: <40E48AE6752A4D0DA3E15367F0D1B8A0@SusanOne><29f585dd0907201310k5583ed27ub7bde37ed69da65f@mail.gmail.com> <0211ADDAFE3B4E53AFF6F6341AAB730B@SusanOne> Message-ID: <9244C7D3A94946A6950118227A2FE60D@AB> Susan, The answer to your question is as simple as it's weird: For some reason the date picker won't coexist with an inputmask. So you could just create a time inputmask like: 00:00;0;_ and voila, your date picker disappears! Personally I have the opposite need: I want the date picker AND a date inputmask. How to? Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Susan Harkins Sendt: 20. juli 2009 22:16 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 Don't want to enter a date, want to enter a time. I've uninstalled 2007 for the time-being, but a reader sent this in. I do remember the date picker being broken in 2007, but I don't recall the specifics. Susan H. > My question would be, Why would you want to? If you want to type in a > date, > it works fine. If you would rather hunt and pick, it works fine. > > Just wondering why you should want to cripple this auto-functionality. > > Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Tue Jul 21 18:11:51 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:11:51 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 In-Reply-To: <9244C7D3A94946A6950118227A2FE60D@AB> References: <40E48AE6752A4D0DA3E15367F0D1B8A0@SusanOne><29f585dd0907201310k5583ed27ub7bde37ed69da65f@mail.gmail.com><0211ADDAFE3B4E53AFF6F6341AAB730B@SusanOne> <9244C7D3A94946A6950118227A2FE60D@AB> Message-ID: <2426B1E6B75C4B659C9572D5D555302C@stevePC> Just wondering, Asger... what is the reason for the input mask on a date control? Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Asger Blond" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:10 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 > Susan, > The answer to your question is as simple as it's weird: > For some reason the date picker won't coexist with an inputmask. > > So you could just create a time inputmask like: > 00:00;0;_ > and voila, your date picker disappears! > > Personally I have the opposite need: I want the date picker AND a date > inputmask. How to? > From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Tue Jul 21 18:18:34 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:18:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Max Bobbing bobcat I knew I needed some coffee, anyway ... - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > The automobile driving manual says the average driver's reaction time is: > .75 seconds or 1 car length for every 10mph. Test your average reaction > time. Be careful this can be addictive! > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sleep/sheep/reaction_version5.swf > > That should give you all the action you need. > > > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys > Sent: 21 July 2009 21:19 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > We needed some action. > > - > Michael R Mattys > MapPoint and Database Dev > www.mattysconsulting.com > - > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Schapel" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > >> John, >> >> I guess there has been an "incident" that has triggered your comment. >> Care >> to share? >> >> Regards >> Steve >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "jwcolby" >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:40 AM >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" >> >> Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck >> >>> And should never be used. EVER! >>> >>> ;) >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Tue Jul 21 18:37:16 2009 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:37:16 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 In-Reply-To: <2426B1E6B75C4B659C9572D5D555302C@stevePC> References: <40E48AE6752A4D0DA3E15367F0D1B8A0@SusanOne><29f585dd0907201310k5583ed27ub7bde37ed69da65f@mail.gmail.com><0211ADDAFE3B4E53AFF6F6341AAB730B@SusanOne><9244C7D3A94946A6950118227A2FE60D@AB> <2426B1E6B75C4B659C9572D5D555302C@stevePC> Message-ID: <64359CB631DF460783C48BA56E120C70@AB> When the user wants to type in the date rather than using the date picker, an inputmask helps and assures the right date-format. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Steve Schapel Sendt: 22. juli 2009 01:12 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 Just wondering, Asger... what is the reason for the input mask on a date control? Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Asger Blond" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:10 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 > Susan, > The answer to your question is as simple as it's weird: > For some reason the date picker won't coexist with an inputmask. > > So you could just create a time inputmask like: > 00:00;0;_ > and voila, your date picker disappears! > > Personally I have the opposite need: I want the date picker AND a date > inputmask. How to? > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Tue Jul 21 18:45:43 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:45:43 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 In-Reply-To: <64359CB631DF460783C48BA56E120C70@AB> References: <40E48AE6752A4D0DA3E15367F0D1B8A0@SusanOne><29f585dd0907201310k5583ed27ub7bde37ed69da65f@mail.gmail.com><0211ADDAFE3B4E53AFF6F6341AAB730B@SusanOne><9244C7D3A94946A6950118227A2FE60D@AB><2426B1E6B75C4B659C9572D5D555302C@stevePC> <64359CB631DF460783C48BA56E120C70@AB> Message-ID: Hi Asger, I have always regarded it as attractive that the user can enter a date in any valid date format they like, so gives them flexibility. Regular users also get to know some of the tricks, such as current year is assumed if not typed in, etc, so I would expect leaving with no input mask, especially for dates, is usually just as accurate, and allows for faster data entry. And the display of the dates entered will be consistent, regardless of how they have been entered, depending on your settings in the Format property or your Windows Regional settings. Just my 2c... Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Asger Blond" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:37 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disable date picker in Access 2007 > When the user wants to type in the date rather than using the date picker, > an inputmask helps and assures the right date-format. > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 21 18:52:23 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:52:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A6654B7.2010402@colbyconsulting.com> LOL, nope no "incident". The great PK debate was a glorious affair and I just thought I'd start a new one. ;) IOW the list was too quiet. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Steve Schapel wrote: > John, > > I guess there has been an "incident" that has triggered your comment. Care > to share? > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "jwcolby" > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:40 AM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > >> And should never be used. EVER! >> >> ;) > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Jul 21 22:48:30 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:48:30 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <4A6654B7.2010402@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4A6654B7.2010402@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A668C0E.12706.14E71CD0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> But it was too obviously a troll. Next time try something a bi more subtle (If you know the meaning of the word ) -- Stuart On 21 Jul 2009 at 19:52, jwcolby wrote: > LOL, nope no "incident". The great PK debate was a glorious affair and I just thought I'd start a > new one. ;) > > IOW the list was too quiet. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Steve Schapel wrote: > > John, > > > > I guess there has been an "incident" that has triggered your comment. Care > > to share? > > > > Regards > > Steve > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "jwcolby" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:40 AM > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > > >> And should never be used. EVER! > >> > >> ;) > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 21 23:19:56 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:19:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <4A668C0E.12706.14E71CD0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, , <4A6654B7.2010402@colbyconsulting.com> <4A668C0E.12706.14E71CD0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4A66936C.6070808@colbyconsulting.com> Me? Subtle? ROFTLMAOBTC John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Stuart McLachlan wrote: > But it was too obviously a troll. > > Next time try something a bi more subtle > > (If you know the meaning of the word ) > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 01:45:37 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:45:37 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a66b594.0a1ad00a.18b2.5859@mx.google.com> Me too. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: 22 July 2009 00:19 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck Thanks, Max Bobbing bobcat I knew I needed some coffee, anyway ... - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > The automobile driving manual says the average driver's reaction time is: > .75 seconds or 1 car length for every 10mph. Test your average reaction > time. Be careful this can be addictive! > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sleep/sheep/reaction_version5.swf > > That should give you all the action you need. > > > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys > Sent: 21 July 2009 21:19 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > We needed some action. > > - > Michael R Mattys > MapPoint and Database Dev > www.mattysconsulting.com > - > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Schapel" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > >> John, >> >> I guess there has been an "incident" that has triggered your comment. >> Care >> to share? >> >> Regards >> Steve >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "jwcolby" >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:40 AM >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" >> >> Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck >> >>> And should never be used. EVER! >>> >>> ;) >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 01:45:37 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:45:37 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com> <4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4a66b596.0a1ad00a.18b2.585c@mx.google.com> I know what you're saying, and I agree. However, reaction time is reaction time, regardless of the stimulus and SLOW is SLOW If you are slow with the sheep, perhaps you had better give a bit more space when driving, etc. In the pub we had a machine where for a coin you could test your reactions - it is amazing how much slower you were the more brew went down your neck... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: 21 July 2009 23:31 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck True. Plus you don't operate your car's brakes with a mouse. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stuart McLachlan" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:14 AM > There's a big difference between your reaction time when you are waiting > for a specific > event to occur in the next few seconds and your reaction time when you > are driving along a > road and something unexpected happens. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Wed Jul 22 08:53:42 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:53:42 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com> <4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a66b596.0a1ad00a.18b2.585c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys> I'm watching the birds at the feeder at my window and doing proximity calculations. As one flies up to the trees, I am dreaming of how humans could do that in a personal vehicle, but I realize that our reaction times are not sufficient to overcome the speed at which another might fly into our space without a highly sensitive proximity warning. So why don't the birds fly into each other? - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck >I know what you're saying, and I agree. However, reaction time is reaction > time, regardless of the stimulus and SLOW is SLOW > > If you are slow with the sheep, perhaps you had better give a bit more > space > when driving, etc. > > In the pub we had a machine where for a coin you could test your > reactions - > it is amazing how much slower you were the more brew went down your > neck... > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel > Sent: 21 July 2009 23:31 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > True. Plus you don't operate your car's brakes with a mouse. > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:14 AM > >> There's a big difference between your reaction time when you are waiting >> for a specific >> event to occur in the next few seconds and your reaction time when you >> are driving along a >> road and something unexpected happens. >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 22 09:12:33 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:12:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Simple web project In-Reply-To: <1B6FE550BFA84B93987EF3BF91940CA1@Mattys> References: <002b01ca0a28$d451f130$7cf5d390$@spb.ru> <1B6FE550BFA84B93987EF3BF91940CA1@Mattys> Message-ID: <4A671E51.1020303@colbyconsulting.com> I need some advice. My wife is on the PTA. She (I as her husband) was tasked with a simple database for tracking volunteer work for the PTA. They have to track (they get "credit" for) hours that volunteers put in. This is drop dead simple for an Access database, tblVolunteer, tblVolunteerHours, and MAYBE tblLocation. Plus a report to get the data out. The problem of course is that a database requires Access (or a runtime installation). Thus... Because it is such a simple database, I am thinking of doing it as a .Net application and make it available on the web so that any authorized person can enter the data or run the report. Questions (how do I do): 1) Web hosting? 2) Security model? 3) Other issues I am not even considering? 4) Which .Net product? Comments and advice requested. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 22 09:15:14 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:15:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Birds as it relates to Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com> <4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a66b596.0a1ad00a.18b2.585c@mx.google.com> <1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys> Message-ID: <4A671EF2.9010802@colbyconsulting.com> Who says they don't? OTOH they aren't in a fragile airplane that disintegrates on contact with another. If they do fly into each other they just bounce off and continue flying. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Mike Mattys wrote: > I'm watching the birds at the feeder at my window and > doing proximity calculations. As one flies up to the trees, > > I am dreaming of how humans could do that in a personal vehicle, > but I realize that our reaction times are not sufficient to overcome > the speed at which another might fly into our space without a > highly sensitive proximity warning. > > So why don't the birds fly into each other? > > - > Michael R Mattys > MapPoint and Database Dev > www.mattysconsulting.com From JHewson at nciinc.com Wed Jul 22 09:25:53 2009 From: JHewson at nciinc.com (Hewson, Jim ) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:25:53 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Birds as it relates to Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <4A671EF2.9010802@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com> <4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a66b596.0a1ad00a.18b2.585c@mx.google.com><1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys> <4A671EF2.9010802@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE216@sanex101.nciinc.com> The other possibility is that one has its talons in the other and flies to a more suitable destination for a meal. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:15 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Birds as it relates to Surrogate keys suck Who says they don't? OTOH they aren't in a fragile airplane that disintegrates on contact with another. If they do fly into each other they just bounce off and continue flying. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Mike Mattys wrote: > I'm watching the birds at the feeder at my window and > doing proximity calculations. As one flies up to the trees, > > I am dreaming of how humans could do that in a personal vehicle, > but I realize that our reaction times are not sufficient to overcome > the speed at which another might fly into our space without a > highly sensitive proximity warning. > > So why don't the birds fly into each other? > > - > Michael R Mattys > MapPoint and Database Dev > www.mattysconsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ################################################################################ If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender immediately and be aware that the use, copying, or dissemination of this information is prohibited. This email transmission contains information from NCI Information Systems, Inc. that may be considered privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the named recipient. ################################################################################ From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Wed Jul 22 09:31:31 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:31:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Birds as it relates to Surrogate keys suck References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com> <4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a66b596.0a1ad00a.18b2.585c@mx.google.com><1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys> <4A671EF2.9010802@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Sheep dip - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: [AccessD] Birds as it relates to Surrogate keys suck > Who says they don't? OTOH they aren't in a fragile airplane that > disintegrates on contact with > another. If they do fly into each other they just bounce off and continue > flying. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Mike Mattys wrote: >> I'm watching the birds at the feeder at my window and >> doing proximity calculations. As one flies up to the trees, >> >> I am dreaming of how humans could do that in a personal vehicle, >> but I realize that our reaction times are not sufficient to overcome >> the speed at which another might fly into our space without a >> highly sensitive proximity warning. >> >> So why don't the birds fly into each other? >> >> - >> Michael R Mattys >> MapPoint and Database Dev >> www.mattysconsulting.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 09:45:51 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:45:51 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com> <4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a66b596.0a1ad00a.18b2.585c@mx.google.com> <1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys> Message-ID: Could it be that they have a highly sensitive proximity warning Max On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Mike Mattys wrote: > I'm watching the birds at the feeder at my window and > doing proximity calculations. As one flies up to the trees, > > I am dreaming of how humans could do that in a personal vehicle, > but I realize that our reaction times are not sufficient to overcome > the speed at which another might fly into our space without a > highly sensitive proximity warning. > > So why don't the birds fly into each other? > > - > Michael R Mattys > MapPoint and Database Dev > www.mattysconsulting.com > - > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Max Wanadoo" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:45 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > > >I know what you're saying, and I agree. However, reaction time is > reaction > > time, regardless of the stimulus and SLOW is SLOW > > > > If you are slow with the sheep, perhaps you had better give a bit more > > space > > when driving, etc. > > > > In the pub we had a machine where for a coin you could test your > > reactions - > > it is amazing how much slower you were the more brew went down your > > neck... > > > > Max > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel > > Sent: 21 July 2009 23:31 > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > > > True. Plus you don't operate your car's brakes with a mouse. > > > > Regards > > Steve > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:14 AM > > > >> There's a big difference between your reaction time when you are waiting > >> for a specific > >> event to occur in the next few seconds and your reaction time when you > >> are driving along a > >> road and something unexpected happens. > >> > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From dkalsow at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 10:17:57 2009 From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [AccessD] ADO Question Message-ID: <844261.11734.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Good Morning Everyone, ? I am sure I am missing something simple here but can anyone tell me why me ADO code is not working.? I know the record set is being opened and the .count is working correctly, but all though the code is executed to write the record (and delete it) the table is not effected and an error is not being thrown.? ? Thanks! ? Dale ? ? Dim conn As ADODB.Connection ??? Dim rstRS As ADODB.Recordset ??? Dim strSQL As String ???????? ??? On Error GoTo EH_Form_AfterUpdate ??? ??? strSQL = "SELECT tblPlacedInServiceHead.CustomertoOwnerKey " ??? strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblPlacedInServiceHead " ??? strSQL = strSQL & " WHERE (((tblPlacedInServiceHead.CustomertoOwnerKey)=" ??? strSQL = strSQL & Val(Me.txtCustomertoOwnerKey.Value) ??? strSQL = strSQL & ") AND ((tblPlacedInServiceHead.PlacedInServiceDate) Is Null));" ??? Rem Open the tblPlacedInServiceHead table ??? Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection ??? Set rstRS = New ADODB.Recordset ??? With rstRS ??????? .Open strSQL, conn, adOpenKeyset, adLockBatchOptimistic ??? End With ??? ??? If Me.cboPlaceInServiceReportRequired Then ??????? If rstRS.RecordCount > 0 Then ??????????? Rem Record is found and there is nothing to do. ??????? Else ??????????? Rem create a record ???????????rstRS.AddNew ??????????? rstRS![CustomertoOwnerKey] = Val(Me.txtCustomertoOwnerKey.Value) ??????????? rstRS.Update ??????? End If ??? Else ??????? If rstRS.RecordCount = 0 Then ??????????? Rem Record is not found and there is nothing to do. ??????? Else ??????????? Rem delete a record ??????????? rstRS.MoveFirst ??????????? Do While Not rstRS.EOF ??????????????? rstRS.Delete ??????????????? rstRS.MoveNext ??????????? Loop ??????? End If ??? End If ??? ??? rstRS.Close ??? conn.Close ??? ??? Set conn = Nothing ??? Set rstRS = Nothing ??? ??? Exit Sub ??? EH_Form_AfterUpdate: ??????? MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & ", " & Err.Description, _ ????????????? vbCritical, "UNABLE TO VERIFY VERSION" ??? End Sub From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 10:21:17 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:21:17 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com> <4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a66b596.0a1ad00a.18b2.585c@mx.google.com> <1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys> Message-ID: <4a672e72.0702d00a.72d7.ffffab73@mx.google.com> A better calculation would be, how many humans in an aeroplane can you get in a tree? Proximity calculations not required, just a big flipping tree! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: 22 July 2009 14:54 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck I'm watching the birds at the feeder at my window and doing proximity calculations. As one flies up to the trees, I am dreaming of how humans could do that in a personal vehicle, but I realize that our reaction times are not sufficient to overcome the speed at which another might fly into our space without a highly sensitive proximity warning. So why don't the birds fly into each other? - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck >I know what you're saying, and I agree. However, reaction time is reaction > time, regardless of the stimulus and SLOW is SLOW > > If you are slow with the sheep, perhaps you had better give a bit more > space > when driving, etc. > > In the pub we had a machine where for a coin you could test your > reactions - > it is amazing how much slower you were the more brew went down your > neck... > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel > Sent: 21 July 2009 23:31 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > True. Plus you don't operate your car's brakes with a mouse. > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:14 AM > >> There's a big difference between your reaction time when you are waiting >> for a specific >> event to occur in the next few seconds and your reaction time when you >> are driving along a >> road and something unexpected happens. >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Wed Jul 22 10:25:51 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:25:51 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] ADO Question In-Reply-To: <844261.11734.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <844261.11734.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Try just using adLockOptimistic. You are using Batch Optimistic, and I believe that it is waiting for 'batch' commands. I must admit I have never used batch processing with ADO...go figure. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:18 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] ADO Question Good Morning Everyone, ? I am sure I am missing something simple here but can anyone tell me why me ADO code is not working.? I know the record set is being opened and the .count is working correctly, but all though the code is executed to write the record (and delete it) the table is not effected and an error is not being thrown.? ? Thanks! ? Dale ? ? Dim conn As ADODB.Connection ??? Dim rstRS As ADODB.Recordset ??? Dim strSQL As String ???????? ??? On Error GoTo EH_Form_AfterUpdate ??? ??? strSQL = "SELECT tblPlacedInServiceHead.CustomertoOwnerKey " ??? strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblPlacedInServiceHead " ??? strSQL = strSQL & " WHERE (((tblPlacedInServiceHead.CustomertoOwnerKey)=" ??? strSQL = strSQL & Val(Me.txtCustomertoOwnerKey.Value) ??? strSQL = strSQL & ") AND ((tblPlacedInServiceHead.PlacedInServiceDate) Is Null));" ??? Rem Open the tblPlacedInServiceHead table ??? Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection ??? Set rstRS = New ADODB.Recordset ??? With rstRS ??????? .Open strSQL, conn, adOpenKeyset, adLockBatchOptimistic ??? End With ??? ??? If Me.cboPlaceInServiceReportRequired Then ??????? If rstRS.RecordCount > 0 Then ??????????? Rem Record is found and there is nothing to do. ??????? Else ??????????? Rem create a record ???????????rstRS.AddNew ??????????? rstRS![CustomertoOwnerKey] = Val(Me.txtCustomertoOwnerKey.Value) ??????????? rstRS.Update ??????? End If ??? Else ??????? If rstRS.RecordCount = 0 Then ??????????? Rem Record is not found and there is nothing to do. ??????? Else ??????????? Rem delete a record ??????????? rstRS.MoveFirst ??????????? Do While Not rstRS.EOF ??????????????? rstRS.Delete ??????????????? rstRS.MoveNext ??????????? Loop ??????? End If ??? End If ??? ??? rstRS.Close ??? conn.Close ??? ??? Set conn = Nothing ??? Set rstRS = Nothing ??? ??? Exit Sub ??? EH_Form_AfterUpdate: ??????? MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & ", " & Err.Description, _ ????????????? vbCritical, "UNABLE TO VERIFY VERSION" ??? End Sub -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. 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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 10:26:37 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:26:37 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Birds as it relates to Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com> <4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a66b596.0a1ad00a.18b2.585c@mx.google.com><1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys> <4A671EF2.9010802@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a672faf.0702d00a.73c1.ffffacc0@mx.google.com> Don't we all? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: 22 July 2009 15:32 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Birds as it relates to Surrogate keys suck Sheep dip - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: [AccessD] Birds as it relates to Surrogate keys suck > Who says they don't? OTOH they aren't in a fragile airplane that > disintegrates on contact with > another. If they do fly into each other they just bounce off and continue > flying. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Mike Mattys wrote: >> I'm watching the birds at the feeder at my window and >> doing proximity calculations. As one flies up to the trees, >> >> I am dreaming of how humans could do that in a personal vehicle, >> but I realize that our reaction times are not sufficient to overcome >> the speed at which another might fly into our space without a >> highly sensitive proximity warning. >> >> So why don't the birds fly into each other? >> >> - >> Michael R Mattys >> MapPoint and Database Dev >> www.mattysconsulting.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Wed Jul 22 10:33:28 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:33:28 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] ADO Question In-Reply-To: <844261.11734.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <844261.11734.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't remember ADO using bangs (!)! Have you stepped through the code to see what's going on? An ADO error needs its own handling because the ADO errors collection isn't the same object as the Access error collection. That's probably why you aren't getting an error. Here's an old example of ADO error handling. Public Sub ExecuteADOCommand(cmdTemp As ADODB.Command, _ rstTemp As ADODB.Recordset) Dim errLoop As ADODB.Error Dim cnnErrs As ADODB.Errors Set cnnErrs = CurrentProject.Connection.Errors ' Run the specified Command object. Trap for ' errors, checking the Errors collection if necessary. On Error GoTo Err_Execute cmdTemp.Execute On Error GoTo 0 ' Retrieve the current data by requerying the recordset. rstTemp.Requery Set errLoop = Nothing Set cnnErrs = Nothing Exit Sub Err_Execute: ' Notify user of any errors that result from ' executing the query. If cnnErrs.Count > 0 Then For Each errLoop In cnnErrs MsgBox "Error number: " & errLoop.Number & vbCr & _ errLoop.Description Next errLoop cnnErrs.Clear End If Resume Next End Sub Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:18 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] ADO Question Good Morning Everyone, ? I am sure I am missing something simple here but can anyone tell me why me ADO code is not working.? I know the record set is being opened and the .count is working correctly, but all though the code is executed to write the record (and delete it) the table is not effected and an error is not being thrown.? ? Thanks! ? Dale ? ? Dim conn As ADODB.Connection ??? Dim rstRS As ADODB.Recordset ??? Dim strSQL As String ???????? ??? On Error GoTo EH_Form_AfterUpdate ??? ??? strSQL = "SELECT tblPlacedInServiceHead.CustomertoOwnerKey " ??? strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblPlacedInServiceHead " ??? strSQL = strSQL & " WHERE (((tblPlacedInServiceHead.CustomertoOwnerKey)=" ??? strSQL = strSQL & Val(Me.txtCustomertoOwnerKey.Value) ??? strSQL = strSQL & ") AND ((tblPlacedInServiceHead.PlacedInServiceDate) Is Null));" ??? Rem Open the tblPlacedInServiceHead table ??? Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection ??? Set rstRS = New ADODB.Recordset ??? With rstRS ??????? .Open strSQL, conn, adOpenKeyset, adLockBatchOptimistic ??? End With ??? ??? If Me.cboPlaceInServiceReportRequired Then ??????? If rstRS.RecordCount > 0 Then ??????????? Rem Record is found and there is nothing to do. ??????? Else ??????????? Rem create a record ???????????rstRS.AddNew ??????????? rstRS![CustomertoOwnerKey] = Val(Me.txtCustomertoOwnerKey.Value) ??????????? rstRS.Update ??????? End If ??? Else ??????? If rstRS.RecordCount = 0 Then ??????????? Rem Record is not found and there is nothing to do. ??????? Else ??????????? Rem delete a record ??????????? rstRS.MoveFirst ??????????? Do While Not rstRS.EOF ??????????????? rstRS.Delete ??????????????? rstRS.MoveNext ??????????? Loop ??????? End If ??? End If ??? ??? rstRS.Close ??? conn.Close ??? ??? Set conn = Nothing ??? Set rstRS = Nothing ??? ??? Exit Sub ??? EH_Form_AfterUpdate: ??????? MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & ", " & Err.Description, _ ????????????? vbCritical, "UNABLE TO VERIFY VERSION" ??? End Sub -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Wed Jul 22 10:34:46 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:34:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] ADO Question In-Reply-To: References: <844261.11734.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have but I missed seeing that. If you're using Batch Optimistic you would have to use BatchUpdate. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:26 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO Question Try just using adLockOptimistic. You are using Batch Optimistic, and I believe that it is waiting for 'batch' commands. I must admit I have never used batch processing with ADO...go figure. Drew From dkalsow at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 10:43:09 2009 From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [AccessD] ADO Question Message-ID: <234249.29895.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> That was it! ? Thanks! ? Dale --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Drew Wutka wrote: From: Drew Wutka Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO Question To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 10:25 AM Try just using adLockOptimistic.? You are using Batch Optimistic, and I believe that it is waiting for 'batch' commands.? I must admit I have never used batch processing with ADO...go figure. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:18 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] ADO Question Good Morning Everyone, ? I am sure I am missing something simple here but can anyone tell me why me ADO code is not working.? I know the record set is being opened and the .count is working correctly, but all though the code is executed to write the record (and delete it) the table is not effected and an error is not being thrown.? ? Thanks! ? Dale ? ? Dim conn As ADODB.Connection ??? Dim rstRS As ADODB.Recordset ??? Dim strSQL As String ???????? ??? On Error GoTo EH_Form_AfterUpdate ??? ??? strSQL = "SELECT tblPlacedInServiceHead.CustomertoOwnerKey " ??? strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblPlacedInServiceHead " ??? strSQL = strSQL & " WHERE (((tblPlacedInServiceHead.CustomertoOwnerKey)=" ??? strSQL = strSQL & Val(Me.txtCustomertoOwnerKey.Value) ??? strSQL = strSQL & ") AND ((tblPlacedInServiceHead.PlacedInServiceDate) Is Null));" ??? Rem Open the tblPlacedInServiceHead table ??? Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection ??? Set rstRS = New ADODB.Recordset ??? With rstRS ??????? .Open strSQL, conn, adOpenKeyset, adLockBatchOptimistic ??? End With ??? ??? If Me.cboPlaceInServiceReportRequired Then ??????? If rstRS.RecordCount > 0 Then ??????????? Rem Record is found and there is nothing to do. ??????? Else ??????????? Rem create a record ???????????rstRS.AddNew ??????????? rstRS![CustomertoOwnerKey] = Val(Me.txtCustomertoOwnerKey.Value) ??????????? rstRS.Update ??????? End If ??? Else ??????? If rstRS.RecordCount = 0 Then ??????????? Rem Record is not found and there is nothing to do. ??????? Else ??????????? Rem delete a record ??????????? rstRS.MoveFirst ??????????? Do While Not rstRS.EOF ??????????????? rstRS.Delete ??????????????? rstRS.MoveNext ??????????? Loop ??????? End If ??? End If ??? ??? rstRS.Close ??? conn.Close ??? ??? Set conn = Nothing ??? Set rstRS = Nothing ??? ??? Exit Sub ??? EH_Form_AfterUpdate: ??????? MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & ", " & Err.Description, _ ????????????? vbCritical, "UNABLE TO VERIFY VERSION" ??? End Sub ? ? ? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 12:08:51 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:08:51 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com> <4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a66b596.0a1ad00a.18b2.585c@mx.google.com> <1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907221008w297448dcg23d104c4bb0bddb3@mail.gmail.com> Honda was actually studying cockroaches at one time for this very purpose. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Mike Mattys wrote: > I'm watching the birds at the feeder at my window and > doing proximity calculations. As one flies up to the trees, > > I am dreaming of how humans could do that in a personal vehicle, > but I realize that our reaction times are not sufficient to overcome > the speed at which another might fly into our space without a > highly sensitive proximity warning. > > So why don't the birds fly into each other? > > - > Michael R Mattys > MapPoint and Database Dev > www.mattysconsulting.com > - From dw-murphy at cox.net Wed Jul 22 12:16:42 2009 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:16:42 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com> <4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a66b596.0a1ad00a.18b2.585c@mx.google.com> <1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys> Message-ID: <83EC69EF3342448098C06C25A238CE59@murphy3234aaf1> >So why don't the birds fly into each other?< They don't talk on cell phones when they fly? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:54 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck I'm watching the birds at the feeder at my window and doing proximity calculations. As one flies up to the trees, I am dreaming of how humans could do that in a personal vehicle, but I realize that our reaction times are not sufficient to overcome the speed at which another might fly into our space without a highly sensitive proximity warning. So why don't the birds fly into each other? - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck >I know what you're saying, and I agree. However, reaction time is reaction > time, regardless of the stimulus and SLOW is SLOW > > If you are slow with the sheep, perhaps you had better give a bit more > space > when driving, etc. > > In the pub we had a machine where for a coin you could test your > reactions - > it is amazing how much slower you were the more brew went down your > neck... > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel > Sent: 21 July 2009 23:31 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > True. Plus you don't operate your car's brakes with a mouse. > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:14 AM > >> There's a big difference between your reaction time when you are waiting >> for a specific >> event to occur in the next few seconds and your reaction time when you >> are driving along a >> road and something unexpected happens. >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 15:10:32 2009 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:10:32 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Process logging Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0907221310n26feda26if5084f3dad2ea38@mail.gmail.com> Hello All: This question is only indirectly related to Access. One of my users is having a terrible time using an Access FE (even though the BE is on her local drive). Every few seconds, her database hangs (hour glass appears, the window header shows 'Not Responding...'). I've run Task Manager and I can see the CPU usage jumping up to 100%. Then it goes down, the hourglass disappears, and the database is usable again. I suspect that this has very little to do with Access, but I'm the one who got called :) What I'd really like is some kind of program like Process Explorer but which will log the active processes every few seconds, so I can get an idea of what's going on. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Doug Steele From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 15:18:24 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:18:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question Message-ID: <39cb22f30907221318g2862cbeoca29480f8b353c0e@mail.gmail.com> Dear Group, I need to create a report in the form of a crosstab with 12 monthly columns. The Crosstab query capability only allows one numeric value to be summarized per column...but the client would like to see three values underneath each month's heading. I thought that I'd construct a table for use by the report with de-normalized columns in clusters of three for Month1Quantity, Month1Calculation1, Month1Calculation2...Month2Quantity, Month2Calculation1, Month2Calculation2, etc. I can make a crosstab query easily enough to, say, show the Quantity for each month...but the SQL TRANSFORM statement will not allow me to create a table directly with a SELECT INTO clause. I've made two other crosstabs containing the Calculation1 and Calculation2 results by month and I want to combine them all into one table for this "triple-value" crosstab report. I can, of course, create an empty table with the structure I want; then write a function or sub procedure that runs each of the three TRANSFORM queries and loops through the recordset and writes the values into rows in the all-in-one table. That's the approach I've taken so far. If I were using Microsoft SQL Server the queries would be more flexible, since I can use a subquery in a SQL FROM clause, which I can't do in Access. I'm just curious about the methodology in Access. My client needs rolling 12-month reports with the values broken out like a spreadsheet. That means a CROSSTAB query...but I've run up against the limitations of Crosstab queries and I'm trying to work around them. So, am I missing an easy way to convert the results of a Crosstab query to a table? Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Jul 22 15:19:48 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:19:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Process logging In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0907221310n26feda26if5084f3dad2ea38@mail.gmail.com> References: <4dd71a0c0907221310n26feda26if5084f3dad2ea38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D07411C8F30482184D5C58A745A2D54@XPS> Doug, Take a look at Process Monitor: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:11 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Process logging Hello All: This question is only indirectly related to Access. One of my users is having a terrible time using an Access FE (even though the BE is on her local drive). Every few seconds, her database hangs (hour glass appears, the window header shows 'Not Responding...'). I've run Task Manager and I can see the CPU usage jumping up to 100%. Then it goes down, the hourglass disappears, and the database is usable again. I suspect that this has very little to do with Access, but I'm the one who got called :) What I'd really like is some kind of program like Process Explorer but which will log the active processes every few seconds, so I can get an idea of what's going on. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Doug Steele -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 15:31:20 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:31:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Simple web project In-Reply-To: <4A671E51.1020303@colbyconsulting.com> References: <002b01ca0a28$d451f130$7cf5d390$@spb.ru> <1B6FE550BFA84B93987EF3BF91940CA1@Mattys> <4A671E51.1020303@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30907221331q3e25367cq40723e3c01962159@mail.gmail.com> John, Have you considered using your existing DNN installation? I've set up few sub-webs with the help of DNN. I simply purchased the domain names and DNN handles the re-routing to subdirectories in the DNN tree. For example, TheTownCrank.com, NeenahPolitics.com, TheGodfatherOfLaw.com, and OTIReunion.com are all subwebs under my main swerbach.com domain. That said, you can certainly add new tables to the SQL Server back-end that DNN is using. I do believe that you could write a DNN module or three to handle this PTA stuff and all the DNN security would be built-in. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:12 AM, jwcolby wrote: > I need some advice. My wife is on the PTA. She (I as her husband) was > tasked with a simple > database for tracking volunteer work for the PTA. They have to track (they > get "credit" for) hours > that volunteers put in. > > This is drop dead simple for an Access database, tblVolunteer, > tblVolunteerHours, and MAYBE > tblLocation. Plus a report to get the data out. The problem of course is > that a database requires > Access (or a runtime installation). Thus... > > Because it is such a simple database, I am thinking of doing it as a .Net > application and make it > available on the web so that any authorized person can enter the data or > run the report. > > Questions (how do I do): > > 1) Web hosting? > 2) Security model? > 3) Other issues I am not even considering? > 4) Which .Net product? > > Comments and advice requested. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > From Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com Wed Jul 22 16:02:10 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:02:10 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30907221318g2862cbeoca29480f8b353c0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30907221318g2862cbeoca29480f8b353c0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You can create the corsstabs queries and then use the first one as the source for a Make Table query and the other ones can be used to make append queries that will add their results to the new table. You can even put all them all into a union query and use that as the source for one make table query. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question Dear Group, I need to create a report in the form of a crosstab with 12 monthly columns. The Crosstab query capability only allows one numeric value to be summarized per column...but the client would like to see three values underneath each month's heading. I thought that I'd construct a table for use by the report with de-normalized columns in clusters of three for Month1Quantity, Month1Calculation1, Month1Calculation2...Month2Quantity, Month2Calculation1, Month2Calculation2, etc. I can make a crosstab query easily enough to, say, show the Quantity for each month...but the SQL TRANSFORM statement will not allow me to create a table directly with a SELECT INTO clause. I've made two other crosstabs containing the Calculation1 and Calculation2 results by month and I want to combine them all into one table for this "triple-value" crosstab report. I can, of course, create an empty table with the structure I want; then write a function or sub procedure that runs each of the three TRANSFORM queries and loops through the recordset and writes the values into rows in the all-in-one table. That's the approach I've taken so far. If I were using Microsoft SQL Server the queries would be more flexible, since I can use a subquery in a SQL FROM clause, which I can't do in Access. I'm just curious about the methodology in Access. My client needs rolling 12-month reports with the values broken out like a spreadsheet. That means a CROSSTAB query...but I've run up against the limitations of Crosstab queries and I'm trying to work around them. So, am I missing an easy way to convert the results of a Crosstab query to a table? Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 16:12:23 2009 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:12:23 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Process logging In-Reply-To: <4D07411C8F30482184D5C58A745A2D54@XPS> References: <4dd71a0c0907221310n26feda26if5084f3dad2ea38@mail.gmail.com> <4D07411C8F30482184D5C58A745A2D54@XPS> Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0907221412o18c56f53o213c3f29650b09a0@mail.gmail.com> Wow! I just ran it for a few seconds - talk about drinking from a fire hose! But I think that's what I need - thanks. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > Doug, > > Take a look at Process Monitor: > > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx > > Jim. > > From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 16:39:29 2009 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:39:29 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30907221318g2862cbeoca29480f8b353c0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30907221318g2862cbeoca29480f8b353c0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0907221439m287891a9w23d8ea8eaad37925@mail.gmail.com> What I've done in this situation is to build an input query which makes one value field combining the multiple values I want; then a crosstab query selecting the First of my combined field. The crosstab feeds into the report, and the report 'decodes' the values. For instance, if you want a cost of $1.00 and a count of 25 to be shown, then the initial query builds a field as follows: (Assuming that the count will never be more than 1000): myNewField = cost * 10000 + count This results in 10025 in the 'myNewField' column. The report parses this into two text boxes: txCost = ccur(int(myNewField/10000)) txCount = myNewField mod 10000 This is air code, but hopefully you get the drift. Doug Steele On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Steve Erbach wrote: > Dear Group, > > I need to create a report in the form of a crosstab with 12 monthly > columns. The Crosstab query capability only allows one numeric value to be > summarized per column...but the client would like to see three values > underneath each month's heading. > > I thought that I'd construct a table for use by the report with > de-normalized columns in clusters of three for Month1Quantity, > Month1Calculation1, Month1Calculation2...Month2Quantity, > Month2Calculation1, > Month2Calculation2, etc. > > I can make a crosstab query easily enough to, say, show the Quantity for > each month...but the SQL TRANSFORM statement will not allow me to create a > table directly with a SELECT INTO clause. I've made two other crosstabs > containing the Calculation1 and Calculation2 results by month and I want to > combine them all into one table for this "triple-value" crosstab report. > > > From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Wed Jul 22 18:45:08 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:45:08 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30907221318g2862cbeoca29480f8b353c0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30907221318g2862cbeoca29480f8b353c0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBF0@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> " My client needs rolling 12-month reports with the values broken out like a spreadsheet" So why not use a spreadsheet and push (or pull) the data into an excel pivot table. PT's are much more powerful than x-tabs in Access. You can open Excel and create a PT directly linked into your query. Best of both worlds. I do this a lot. regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2009 6:18 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question Dear Group, I need to create a report in the form of a crosstab with 12 monthly columns. The Crosstab query capability only allows one numeric value to be summarized per column...but the client would like to see three values underneath each month's heading. I thought that I'd construct a table for use by the report with de-normalized columns in clusters of three for Month1Quantity, Month1Calculation1, Month1Calculation2...Month2Quantity, Month2Calculation1, Month2Calculation2, etc. I can make a crosstab query easily enough to, say, show the Quantity for each month...but the SQL TRANSFORM statement will not allow me to create a table directly with a SELECT INTO clause. I've made two other crosstabs containing the Calculation1 and Calculation2 results by month and I want to combine them all into one table for this "triple-value" crosstab report. I can, of course, create an empty table with the structure I want; then write a function or sub procedure that runs each of the three TRANSFORM queries and loops through the recordset and writes the values into rows in the all-in-one table. That's the approach I've taken so far. If I were using Microsoft SQL Server the queries would be more flexible, since I can use a subquery in a SQL FROM clause, which I can't do in Access. I'm just curious about the methodology in Access. My client needs rolling 12-month reports with the values broken out like a spreadsheet. That means a CROSSTAB query...but I've run up against the limitations of Crosstab queries and I'm trying to work around them. So, am I missing an easy way to convert the results of a Crosstab query to a table? Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Wed Jul 22 18:51:44 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:51:44 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <83EC69EF3342448098C06C25A238CE59@murphy3234aaf1> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com> <4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a66b596.0a1ad00a.18b2.585c@mx.google.com> <1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys> <83EC69EF3342448098C06C25A238CE59@murphy3234aaf1> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBF1@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Very occasionally they do I suspect, but I totally agree with your sentiments, I am always impressed at how fast flocks of parrots go past our house, they are blisteringly fast and in close formation, but they hold it together. I also enjoy watching the territorial birds dogfight for over the backyard - amazing ability and skills - brilliant stuff. I would suggest that is what tens of millions of years of evolution can do for you. We need to practice A LOT MORE! :) *flapping arms at desk...* hmmmm.... Long way to go for our species before we master that lill trick natively. cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:54 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck I'm watching the birds at the feeder at my window and doing proximity calculations. As one flies up to the trees, I am dreaming of how humans could do that in a personal vehicle, but I realize that our reaction times are not sufficient to overcome the speed at which another might fly into our space without a highly sensitive proximity warning. So why don't the birds fly into each other? - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck >I know what you're saying, and I agree. However, reaction time is reaction > time, regardless of the stimulus and SLOW is SLOW > > If you are slow with the sheep, perhaps you had better give a bit more > space > when driving, etc. > > In the pub we had a machine where for a coin you could test your > reactions - > it is amazing how much slower you were the more brew went down your > neck... > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel > Sent: 21 July 2009 23:31 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > True. Plus you don't operate your car's brakes with a mouse. > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:14 AM > >> There's a big difference between your reaction time when you are waiting >> for a specific >> event to occur in the next few seconds and your reaction time when you >> are driving along a >> road and something unexpected happens. >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. 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The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ From krosenstiel at comcast.net Wed Jul 22 19:37:33 2009 From: krosenstiel at comcast.net (Karen Rosenstiel) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:37:33 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBF1@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com><4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a66b596.0a1ad00a.18b2.585c@mx.google.com><1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys><83EC69EF3342448098C06C25A238CE59@murphy3234aaf1> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBF1@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: Speaking as a long-time keeper of birds, especially parrots, they are probably the most visually oriented and sensitive of all animals. I have also seen wild birds fighting over territory and it is magnificent and terrifying. I have more than once thought it's a really good thing for us that birds are usually small -- if in our species development early on we had to compete with really large parrots (5 or 6 feet tall), I don't know that primates would have done so well. They ARE dinosaurs, after all! Regards, Karen Rosenstiel Seattle WA USA -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck Very occasionally they do I suspect, but I totally agree with your sentiments, I am always impressed at how fast flocks of parrots go past our house, they are blisteringly fast and in close formation, but they hold it together. I also enjoy watching the territorial birds dogfight for over the backyard - amazing ability and skills - brilliant stuff. I would suggest that is what tens of millions of years of evolution can do for you. We need to practice A LOT MORE! :) *flapping arms at desk...* hmmmm.... Long way to go for our species before we master that lill trick natively. cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:54 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck I'm watching the birds at the feeder at my window and doing proximity calculations. As one flies up to the trees, I am dreaming of how humans could do that in a personal vehicle, but I realize that our reaction times are not sufficient to overcome the speed at which another might fly into our space without a highly sensitive proximity warning. So why don't the birds fly into each other? - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck >I know what you're saying, and I agree. However, reaction time is >reaction time, regardless of the stimulus and SLOW is SLOW > > If you are slow with the sheep, perhaps you had better give a bit more > space when driving, etc. > > In the pub we had a machine where for a coin you could test your > reactions - it is amazing how much slower you were the more brew went > down your neck... > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Schapel > Sent: 21 July 2009 23:31 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > True. Plus you don't operate your car's brakes with a mouse. > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:14 AM > >> There's a big difference between your reaction time when you are >> waiting for a specific event to occur in the next few seconds and >> your reaction time when you are driving along a road and something >> unexpected happens. >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. 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The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Wed Jul 22 19:46:03 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:46:03 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com><4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a66b596.0a1ad00a.18b2.585c@mx.google.com><1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys><83EC69EF3342448098C06C25A238CE59@murphy3234aaf1> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBF1@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBF6@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Yes, I have often had these thoughts when I see how the birds when moving around on the ground jumping and hopping around and squabbling over food scraps, I then scale that up to a raptor or T-rex and, frankly their agility scares the cr4p out of me. I can see why our great great great grandparents were small and underground for many millions of years. I have a great respect for all birds because of their family history. Apparently even the humble chicken is a directly family relative of the T-rex! :) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen Rosenstiel Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2009 10:38 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck Speaking as a long-time keeper of birds, especially parrots, they are probably the most visually oriented and sensitive of all animals. I have also seen wild birds fighting over territory and it is magnificent and terrifying. I have more than once thought it's a really good thing for us that birds are usually small -- if in our species development early on we had to compete with really large parrots (5 or 6 feet tall), I don't know that primates would have done so well. They ARE dinosaurs, after all! Regards, Karen Rosenstiel Seattle WA USA -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck Very occasionally they do I suspect, but I totally agree with your sentiments, I am always impressed at how fast flocks of parrots go past our house, they are blisteringly fast and in close formation, but they hold it together. I also enjoy watching the territorial birds dogfight for over the backyard - amazing ability and skills - brilliant stuff. I would suggest that is what tens of millions of years of evolution can do for you. We need to practice A LOT MORE! :) *flapping arms at desk...* hmmmm.... Long way to go for our species before we master that lill trick natively. cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:54 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck I'm watching the birds at the feeder at my window and doing proximity calculations. As one flies up to the trees, I am dreaming of how humans could do that in a personal vehicle, but I realize that our reaction times are not sufficient to overcome the speed at which another might fly into our space without a highly sensitive proximity warning. So why don't the birds fly into each other? - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck >I know what you're saying, and I agree. However, reaction time is >reaction time, regardless of the stimulus and SLOW is SLOW > > If you are slow with the sheep, perhaps you had better give a bit more > space when driving, etc. > > In the pub we had a machine where for a coin you could test your > reactions - it is amazing how much slower you were the more brew went > down your neck... > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Schapel > Sent: 21 July 2009 23:31 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > True. Plus you don't operate your car's brakes with a mouse. > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:14 AM > >> There's a big difference between your reaction time when you are >> waiting for a specific event to occur in the next few seconds and >> your reaction time when you are driving along a road and something >> unexpected happens. >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. 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The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 22 20:15:38 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:15:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 Message-ID: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> Dear List: I have a legacy app that was developed in 2003. The client wants an accde so in Access 2007 I opened the 2003 mdb and save it in 2007 format as an accdb. I then opened the accdb but it has compile errors which don't make sense. Specifically I get a type mismatch on the .Name property. Dim db as DAO.Database Dim prp as Property Set db = CurrentDb For Each prp in db.Properties And here I use prp.Name - gives a type mismatch on compile. Name does not appear in the list of properties when I type prp. Same problem with dim fld as Field referencing fld.Name - type mismatch. When I type fld. Name does not appear in the property list. Reference problem maybe? In the reference list I've got Visual Basic for Applications MS Access 12.0 Obj lib OLE Automation MS CDO for Windows 2000 Lib MS Calendar Control 2007 MS Word 12.0 Obj Lib MS VB for Apps Extensibility 5.3 MS Office 12.0 Access Database Engine Object Library I can't reference DAO 3.6 - gets a 'conflicts with another library' error Any clues? MTIA Rocky From krosenstiel at comcast.net Wed Jul 22 20:24:59 2009 From: krosenstiel at comcast.net (Karen Rosenstiel) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:24:59 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBF6@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com><4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a66b596.0a1ad00a.18b2.585c@mx.google.com><1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys><83EC69EF3342448098C06C25A238CE59@murphy3234aaf1><57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBF1@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBF6@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <38FCA7B5BC4245D4AC0F70A6E7A86555@bigmama> Not just the agility. They are SMART -- but not mammal smart. They can think, plan and train their children. Hmmmmm. Glad they are, mostly, small. Regards, Karen Rosenstiel Seattle WA USA -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:46 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck Yes, I have often had these thoughts when I see how the birds when moving around on the ground jumping and hopping around and squabbling over food scraps, I then scale that up to a raptor or T-rex and, frankly their agility scares the cr4p out of me. I can see why our great great great grandparents were small and underground for many millions of years. I have a great respect for all birds because of their family history. Apparently even the humble chicken is a directly family relative of the T-rex! :) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen Rosenstiel Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2009 10:38 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck Speaking as a long-time keeper of birds, especially parrots, they are probably the most visually oriented and sensitive of all animals. I have also seen wild birds fighting over territory and it is magnificent and terrifying. I have more than once thought it's a really good thing for us that birds are usually small -- if in our species development early on we had to compete with really large parrots (5 or 6 feet tall), I don't know that primates would have done so well. They ARE dinosaurs, after all! Regards, Karen Rosenstiel Seattle WA USA -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck Very occasionally they do I suspect, but I totally agree with your sentiments, I am always impressed at how fast flocks of parrots go past our house, they are blisteringly fast and in close formation, but they hold it together. I also enjoy watching the territorial birds dogfight for over the backyard - amazing ability and skills - brilliant stuff. I would suggest that is what tens of millions of years of evolution can do for you. We need to practice A LOT MORE! :) *flapping arms at desk...* hmmmm.... Long way to go for our species before we master that lill trick natively. cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:54 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck I'm watching the birds at the feeder at my window and doing proximity calculations. As one flies up to the trees, I am dreaming of how humans could do that in a personal vehicle, but I realize that our reaction times are not sufficient to overcome the speed at which another might fly into our space without a highly sensitive proximity warning. So why don't the birds fly into each other? - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck >I know what you're saying, and I agree. However, reaction time is >reaction time, regardless of the stimulus and SLOW is SLOW > > If you are slow with the sheep, perhaps you had better give a bit more > space when driving, etc. > > In the pub we had a machine where for a coin you could test your > reactions - it is amazing how much slower you were the more brew went > down your neck... > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Schapel > Sent: 21 July 2009 23:31 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > True. Plus you don't operate your car's brakes with a mouse. > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:14 AM > >> There's a big difference between your reaction time when you are >> waiting for a specific event to occur in the next few seconds and >> your reaction time when you are driving along a road and something >> unexpected happens. >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. 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The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Wed Jul 22 20:55:24 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:55:24 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 In-Reply-To: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> References: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBFA@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Hi Rocky, Probably not much help, but I have found a whole host of pissy little VBA errors with moving from legacy Access datbases (MDE's in this case) to Access 2007. Most annoying. Try unticking all the references and re-applying them - it may help. good luck and post back if you get a solution. regards Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2009 11:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 Dear List: I have a legacy app that was developed in 2003. The client wants an accde so in Access 2007 I opened the 2003 mdb and save it in 2007 format as an accdb. I then opened the accdb but it has compile errors which don't make sense. Specifically I get a type mismatch on the .Name property. Dim db as DAO.Database Dim prp as Property Set db = CurrentDb For Each prp in db.Properties And here I use prp.Name - gives a type mismatch on compile. Name does not appear in the list of properties when I type prp. Same problem with dim fld as Field referencing fld.Name - type mismatch. When I type fld. Name does not appear in the property list. Reference problem maybe? In the reference list I've got Visual Basic for Applications MS Access 12.0 Obj lib OLE Automation MS CDO for Windows 2000 Lib MS Calendar Control 2007 MS Word 12.0 Obj Lib MS VB for Apps Extensibility 5.3 MS Office 12.0 Access Database Engine Object Library I can't reference DAO 3.6 - gets a 'conflicts with another library' error Any clues? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. 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However, your code with DAO should not break, as it should automatically reference the ACE library. So I don't know specifically what's wrong. But the first thing I would try is change to: Dim prp as DAO.Property Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:15 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 > Dear List: > > I have a legacy app that was developed in 2003. The client wants an accde > so in Access 2007 I opened the 2003 mdb and save it in 2007 format as an > accdb. I then opened the accdb but it has compile errors which don't make > sense. Specifically I get a type mismatch on the .Name property. > > Dim db as DAO.Database > Dim prp as Property > Set db = CurrentDb > For Each prp in db.Properties > > And here I use prp.Name - gives a type mismatch on compile. Name does not > appear in the list of properties when I type prp. > > Same problem with dim fld as Field referencing fld.Name - type mismatch. > When I type fld. Name does not appear in the property list. > > Reference problem maybe? > > In the reference list I've got > > Visual Basic for Applications > MS Access 12.0 Obj lib > OLE Automation > MS CDO for Windows 2000 Lib > MS Calendar Control 2007 > MS Word 12.0 Obj Lib > MS VB for Apps Extensibility 5.3 > MS Office 12.0 Access Database Engine Object Library > > I can't reference DAO 3.6 - gets a 'conflicts with another library' error > > Any clues? > > MTIA > > Rocky From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 21:28:46 2009 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:28:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 In-Reply-To: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> References: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0907221928u8156941pb852b82bd77e4ace@mail.gmail.com> Just a shot in the dark - try moving the 'MS Office 12.0 Access Database Engine Object Library' reference up until it's just below 'OLE Automation'. That's where it is in my A2007 reference list. I think it's the library that replaces DAO. I wonder if the 'Property' needs qualification, like 'DAO.Property'. I'll try some experiments tomorrow on A2007. Doug Steele On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a legacy app that was developed in 2003. The client wants an accde > so in Access 2007 I opened the 2003 mdb and save it in 2007 format as an > accdb. I then opened the accdb but it has compile errors which don't make > sense. Specifically I get a type mismatch on the .Name property. > > Dim db as DAO.Database > Dim prp as Property > Set db = CurrentDb > For Each prp in db.Properties > > And here I use prp.Name - gives a type mismatch on compile. Name does not > appear in the list of properties when I type prp. > > Same problem with dim fld as Field referencing fld.Name - type mismatch. > When I type fld. Name does not appear in the property list. > > Reference problem maybe? > > In the reference list I've got > > Visual Basic for Applications > MS Access 12.0 Obj lib > OLE Automation > MS CDO for Windows 2000 Lib > MS Calendar Control 2007 > MS Word 12.0 Obj Lib > MS VB for Apps Extensibility 5.3 > MS Office 12.0 Access Database Engine Object Library > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 22 22:11:54 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:11:54 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBFA@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBFA@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: "Try unticking all the references and re-applying them - it may help." I did it. It worked! What a mysterious language. Thank you. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:55 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 Hi Rocky, Probably not much help, but I have found a whole host of pissy little VBA errors with moving from legacy Access datbases (MDE's in this case) to Access 2007. Most annoying. Try unticking all the references and re-applying them - it may help. good luck and post back if you get a solution. regards Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2009 11:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 Dear List: I have a legacy app that was developed in 2003. The client wants an accde so in Access 2007 I opened the 2003 mdb and save it in 2007 format as an accdb. I then opened the accdb but it has compile errors which don't make sense. Specifically I get a type mismatch on the .Name property. Dim db as DAO.Database Dim prp as Property Set db = CurrentDb For Each prp in db.Properties And here I use prp.Name - gives a type mismatch on compile. Name does not appear in the list of properties when I type prp. Same problem with dim fld as Field referencing fld.Name - type mismatch. When I type fld. Name does not appear in the property list. Reference problem maybe? In the reference list I've got Visual Basic for Applications MS Access 12.0 Obj lib OLE Automation MS CDO for Windows 2000 Lib MS Calendar Control 2007 MS Word 12.0 Obj Lib MS VB for Apps Extensibility 5.3 MS Office 12.0 Access Database Engine Object Library I can't reference DAO 3.6 - gets a 'conflicts with another library' error Any clues? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 22 22:13:17 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:13:17 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> Message-ID: <866873D758CA4CF4A4D5EA44764615AB@HAL9005> Steve: Believe it or not, unchecking all the references and then rechecking them did the trick. Who knew? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:19 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 Rocky, MS Office 12.0 Access Database Engine Object Library is the Access 2007 replacement for DAO. You can't have both. However, your code with DAO should not break, as it should automatically reference the ACE library. So I don't know specifically what's wrong. But the first thing I would try is change to: Dim prp as DAO.Property Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:15 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 > Dear List: > > I have a legacy app that was developed in 2003. The client wants an > accde so in Access 2007 I opened the 2003 mdb and save it in 2007 > format as an accdb. I then opened the accdb but it has compile errors > which don't make sense. Specifically I get a type mismatch on the .Name property. > > Dim db as DAO.Database > Dim prp as Property > Set db = CurrentDb > For Each prp in db.Properties > > And here I use prp.Name - gives a type mismatch on compile. Name does > not appear in the list of properties when I type prp. > > Same problem with dim fld as Field referencing fld.Name - type mismatch. > When I type fld. Name does not appear in the property list. > > Reference problem maybe? > > In the reference list I've got > > Visual Basic for Applications > MS Access 12.0 Obj lib > OLE Automation > MS CDO for Windows 2000 Lib > MS Calendar Control 2007 > MS Word 12.0 Obj Lib > MS VB for Apps Extensibility 5.3 > MS Office 12.0 Access Database Engine Object Library > > I can't reference DAO 3.6 - gets a 'conflicts with another library' > error > > Any clues? > > MTIA > > Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 22 22:19:13 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:19:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0907221928u8156941pb852b82bd77e4ace@mail.gmail.com> References: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> <4dd71a0c0907221928u8156941pb852b82bd77e4ace@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B872D95899242CD8420BE60CE868195@HAL9005> Doug: Started over again with the mdb and converted to accdb to try your suggestion. That worked. What a screwy development platform. Thanks again. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:29 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 Just a shot in the dark - try moving the 'MS Office 12.0 Access Database Engine Object Library' reference up until it's just below 'OLE Automation'. That's where it is in my A2007 reference list. I think it's the library that replaces DAO. I wonder if the 'Property' needs qualification, like 'DAO.Property'. I'll try some experiments tomorrow on A2007. Doug Steele On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a legacy app that was developed in 2003. The client wants an > accde so in Access 2007 I opened the 2003 mdb and save it in 2007 > format as an accdb. I then opened the accdb but it has compile errors > which don't make sense. Specifically I get a type mismatch on the .Name property. > > Dim db as DAO.Database > Dim prp as Property > Set db = CurrentDb > For Each prp in db.Properties > > And here I use prp.Name - gives a type mismatch on compile. Name does > not appear in the list of properties when I type prp. > > Same problem with dim fld as Field referencing fld.Name - type mismatch. > When I type fld. Name does not appear in the property list. > > Reference problem maybe? > > In the reference list I've got > > Visual Basic for Applications > MS Access 12.0 Obj lib > OLE Automation > MS CDO for Windows 2000 Lib > MS Calendar Control 2007 > MS Word 12.0 Obj Lib > MS VB for Apps Extensibility 5.3 > MS Office 12.0 Access Database Engine Object Library > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 23:01:48 2009 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:01:48 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 In-Reply-To: <7B872D95899242CD8420BE60CE868195@HAL9005> References: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> <4dd71a0c0907221928u8156941pb852b82bd77e4ace@mail.gmail.com> <7B872D95899242CD8420BE60CE868195@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0907222101i9d9a61ej43cff59744e410ea@mail.gmail.com> My guess is that one of your other references has a 'Property' and a 'Field' object which doesn't have a 'Name' property, and the fact that A2007 put the DAO replacement reference below the other references causes the wrong (for you) object to be used by default. Doug On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Doug: > > Started over again with the mdb and converted to accdb to try your > suggestion. That worked. What a screwy development platform. > > Thanks again. > > Rocky > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 22 23:15:17 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:15:17 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0907222101i9d9a61ej43cff59744e410ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005><4dd71a0c0907221928u8156941pb852b82bd77e4ace@mail.gmail.com><7B872D95899242CD8420BE60CE868195@HAL9005> <4dd71a0c0907222101i9d9a61ej43cff59744e410ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You're right. When I create a new accdb the default references are: VB for Apps Access 12.0 library OLE Automation MS Office 12.0 access database engine object library. So any references added will come after those. When you convert from 2003 mdb to 2007 accdb, you get the order I originally posted with the MS Office 12.0 access database engine object library reference at the end of the list. Which caused the problem. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:02 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 My guess is that one of your other references has a 'Property' and a 'Field' object which doesn't have a 'Name' property, and the fact that A2007 put the DAO replacement reference below the other references causes the wrong (for you) object to be used by default. Doug On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Doug: > > Started over again with the mdb and converted to accdb to try your > suggestion. That worked. What a screwy development platform. > > Thanks again. > > Rocky > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From adtp at airtelmail.in Thu Jul 23 00:40:37 2009 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:10:37 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question References: <39cb22f30907221318g2862cbeoca29480f8b353c0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <017301ca0b58$79883e40$8d84a37a@personald6374f> Steve, Apparently, you wish to display 3 columns per month for the twelve months on the report. This translates to 36 columns in all. You can consider a simple crosstab query based upon your normal source table, delivering 36 columns (3 columns per month). On the report, labels depicting month names can be placed in such a manner that each such label spans three columns pertaining to the given month. Sample crosstab query given below, demonstrates this approach. T_Data is the source table having fields RYear, RMonth, Category and Result (all number type). For each month in a given year, there will be three records pertaining to the three categories respectively (i.e. 1, 2, 3) Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ Sample crosstab query ========================================= TRANSFORM First(T_Data.Result) AS FirstOfResult SELECT T_Data.RYear FROM T_Data GROUP BY T_Data.RYear PIVOT "M_" & Format([RMonth],"00") & "_" & [Category]; ========================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Erbach To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 01:48 Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question Dear Group, I need to create a report in the form of a crosstab with 12 monthly columns. The Crosstab query capability only allows one numeric value to be summarized per column...but the client would like to see three values underneath each month's heading. I thought that I'd construct a table for use by the report with de-normalized columns in clusters of three for Month1Quantity, Month1Calculation1, Month1Calculation2...Month2Quantity, Month2Calculation1, Month2Calculation2, etc. I can make a crosstab query easily enough to, say, show the Quantity for each month...but the SQL TRANSFORM statement will not allow me to create a table directly with a SELECT INTO clause. I've made two other crosstabs containing the Calculation1 and Calculation2 results by month and I want to combine them all into one table for this "triple-value" crosstab report. I can, of course, create an empty table with the structure I want; then write a function or sub procedure that runs each of the three TRANSFORM queries and loops through the recordset and writes the values into rows in the all-in-one table. That's the approach I've taken so far. If I were using Microsoft SQL Server the queries would be more flexible, since I can use a subquery in a SQL FROM clause, which I can't do in Access. I'm just curious about the methodology in Access. My client needs rolling 12-month reports with the values broken out like a spreadsheet. That means a CROSSTAB query...but I've run up against the limitations of Crosstab queries and I'm trying to work around them. So, am I missing an easy way to convert the results of a Crosstab query to a table? Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Thu Jul 23 03:15:50 2009 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:15:50 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 In-Reply-To: <7B872D95899242CD8420BE60CE868195@HAL9005> References: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> <4dd71a0c0907221928u8156941pb852b82bd77e4ace@mail.gmail.com> <7B872D95899242CD8420BE60CE868195@HAL9005> Message-ID: <00ab01ca0b6d$cbbe7d40$633b77c0$@spb.ru> <<< What a screwy development platform. >>> Hi Rocky, Do you mean MS Windows and COM? :) (I mean that all kinds of issues with references appeared in MS Access development since the release of MS Access 95, which introduced usage of referenced VBA libraries and ActiveX DLLs - the latter ones are based on MS COM technology, which drives MS Windows since MS Windows 95 till today, and it (COM) will continue driving MS Windows until the latter will be replaced with some other OS from MS(?).) Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 7:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 Doug: Started over again with the mdb and converted to accdb to try your suggestion. That worked. What a screwy development platform. Thanks again. Rocky <<< snip >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4268 (20090722) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 23 06:58:04 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:58:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Simple web project In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30907221331q3e25367cq40723e3c01962159@mail.gmail.com> References: <002b01ca0a28$d451f130$7cf5d390$@spb.ru> <1B6FE550BFA84B93987EF3BF91940CA1@Mattys> <4A671E51.1020303@colbyconsulting.com> <39cb22f30907221331q3e25367cq40723e3c01962159@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A68504C.3030309@colbyconsulting.com> Steve, Could you help me do this? Have you ever used the subdomain thing where you use DNN to set up a web page but it is just a subdomain of your own domain? Like Mary.ColbyConsulting.com or Family.ColbyConsulting.com. If you type in www.family.colbyconsulting.com DNN directs you to that subdomain page which can be an entire web site just like your purchased domain names are. I know this whole DNN subdomain thing is just built-in but I have never done it. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Steve Erbach wrote: > John, > > Have you considered using your existing DNN installation? I've set up few > sub-webs with the help of DNN. I simply purchased the domain names and DNN > handles the re-routing to subdirectories in the DNN tree. > > For example, TheTownCrank.com, NeenahPolitics.com, TheGodfatherOfLaw.com, > and OTIReunion.com are all subwebs under my main swerbach.com domain. > > That said, you can certainly add new tables to the SQL Server back-end that > DNN is using. I do believe that you could write a DNN module or three to > handle this PTA stuff and all the DNN security would be built-in. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:12 AM, jwcolby wrote: > >> I need some advice. My wife is on the PTA. She (I as her husband) was >> tasked with a simple >> database for tracking volunteer work for the PTA. They have to track (they >> get "credit" for) hours >> that volunteers put in. >> >> This is drop dead simple for an Access database, tblVolunteer, >> tblVolunteerHours, and MAYBE >> tblLocation. Plus a report to get the data out. The problem of course is >> that a database requires >> Access (or a runtime installation). Thus... >> >> Because it is such a simple database, I am thinking of doing it as a .Net >> application and make it >> available on the web so that any authorized person can enter the data or >> run the report. >> >> Questions (how do I do): >> >> 1) Web hosting? >> 2) Security model? >> 3) Other issues I am not even considering? >> 4) Which .Net product? >> >> Comments and advice requested. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Jul 23 07:44:58 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:44:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 In-Reply-To: <866873D758CA4CF4A4D5EA44764615AB@HAL9005> References: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> <866873D758CA4CF4A4D5EA44764615AB@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4F4A7B1B413F461F93A79AA7519C6732@XPS> Rocky, Reference problems like that are age old with Access/VBA and apply to A2000 and up (A95 and A97 didn't seem to have as many problems with references). And FWIW, it's simpler just to check any unchecked reference, close the DB and Access, then re-open and uncheck the reference just checked. It forces VBA to check and refresh all the references. JimD. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:13 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 Steve: Believe it or not, unchecking all the references and then rechecking them did the trick. Who knew? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:19 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 Rocky, MS Office 12.0 Access Database Engine Object Library is the Access 2007 replacement for DAO. You can't have both. However, your code with DAO should not break, as it should automatically reference the ACE library. So I don't know specifically what's wrong. But the first thing I would try is change to: Dim prp as DAO.Property Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:15 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 > Dear List: > > I have a legacy app that was developed in 2003. The client wants an > accde so in Access 2007 I opened the 2003 mdb and save it in 2007 > format as an accdb. I then opened the accdb but it has compile errors > which don't make sense. Specifically I get a type mismatch on the .Name property. > > Dim db as DAO.Database > Dim prp as Property > Set db = CurrentDb > For Each prp in db.Properties > > And here I use prp.Name - gives a type mismatch on compile. Name does > not appear in the list of properties when I type prp. > > Same problem with dim fld as Field referencing fld.Name - type mismatch. > When I type fld. Name does not appear in the property list. > > Reference problem maybe? > > In the reference list I've got > > Visual Basic for Applications > MS Access 12.0 Obj lib > OLE Automation > MS CDO for Windows 2000 Lib > MS Calendar Control 2007 > MS Word 12.0 Obj Lib > MS VB for Apps Extensibility 5.3 > MS Office 12.0 Access Database Engine Object Library > > I can't reference DAO 3.6 - gets a 'conflicts with another library' > error > > Any clues? > > MTIA > > Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From adtp at airtelmail.in Thu Jul 23 08:14:35 2009 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:44:35 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question References: <39cb22f30907221318g2862cbeoca29480f8b353c0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005e01ca0b97$cbe43ba0$ac5fa27a@personald6374f> Steve, The solution suggested in my earlier post was meant for normalized data source. However, it appears from your post that you might wish to use de-normalized data source, having three separate columns holding different types of results for each month in question, there being one record per month. This would require transporting the contents of each such column as distinct value columns in the crosstab query, leading to 36 sub-columns for twelve months. Conventional formulation of crosstab query would permit only one value column per month. However, this limitation can be overcome by using a Cartesian join with table T_Ref having a single field named RefNum (number type), populated with numbers 1 to 3, thereby getting three value columns per month. Sample crosstab query demonstrating this approach, is given below. T_MyTable is the source table having fields RYear, RMonth, Result_1, Result_2 and Result_3. Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ Sample crosstab query - De-normalized data source (Transporting three columns of source table as value columns) ========================================= TRANSFORM First(IIf([RefNum]=1,[Result_1],IIf([RefNum]=2,[Result_2],[Result_3]))) AS Expr1 SELECT T_MyTable.RYear FROM T_MyTable, T_Ref GROUP BY T_MyTable.RYear PIVOT "M_" & Format([RMonth],"00") & "_" & [RefNum]; ========================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: A.D.Tejpal To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:10 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crosstab question Steve, Apparently, you wish to display 3 columns per month for the twelve months on the report. This translates to 36 columns in all. You can consider a simple crosstab query based upon your normal source table, delivering 36 columns (3 columns per month). On the report, labels depicting month names can be placed in such a manner that each such label spans three columns pertaining to the given month. Sample crosstab query given below, demonstrates this approach. T_Data is the source table having fields RYear, RMonth, Category and Result (all number type). For each month in a given year, there will be three records pertaining to the three categories respectively (i.e. 1, 2, 3) Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ Sample crosstab query ========================================= TRANSFORM First(T_Data.Result) AS FirstOfResult SELECT T_Data.RYear FROM T_Data GROUP BY T_Data.RYear PIVOT "M_" & Format([RMonth],"00") & "_" & [Category]; ========================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Erbach To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 01:48 Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question Dear Group, I need to create a report in the form of a crosstab with 12 monthly columns. The Crosstab query capability only allows one numeric value to be summarized per column...but the client would like to see three values underneath each month's heading. I thought that I'd construct a table for use by the report with de-normalized columns in clusters of three for Month1Quantity, Month1Calculation1, Month1Calculation2...Month2Quantity, Month2Calculation1, Month2Calculation2, etc. I can make a crosstab query easily enough to, say, show the Quantity for each month...but the SQL TRANSFORM statement will not allow me to create a table directly with a SELECT INTO clause. I've made two other crosstabs containing the Calculation1 and Calculation2 results by month and I want to combine them all into one table for this "triple-value" crosstab report. I can, of course, create an empty table with the structure I want; then write a function or sub procedure that runs each of the three TRANSFORM queries and loops through the recordset and writes the values into rows in the all-in-one table. That's the approach I've taken so far. If I were using Microsoft SQL Server the queries would be more flexible, since I can use a subquery in a SQL FROM clause, which I can't do in Access. I'm just curious about the methodology in Access. My client needs rolling 12-month reports with the values broken out like a spreadsheet. That means a CROSSTAB query...but I've run up against the limitations of Crosstab queries and I'm trying to work around them. So, am I missing an easy way to convert the results of a Crosstab query to a table? Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI From Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com Thu Jul 23 08:25:57 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:25:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com><4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a66b596.0a1ad00a.18b2.585c@mx.google.com><1DC9664D56B8425BA184E36E26DAF179@Mattys><83EC69EF3342448098C06C25A238CE59@murphy3234aaf1> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBF1@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: If you want to see some truly awesome flock behavior check out this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vhE8ScWe7w Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen Rosenstiel Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:38 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck Speaking as a long-time keeper of birds, especially parrots, they are probably the most visually oriented and sensitive of all animals. I have also seen wild birds fighting over territory and it is magnificent and terrifying. I have more than once thought it's a really good thing for us that birds are usually small -- if in our species development early on we had to compete with really large parrots (5 or 6 feet tall), I don't know that primates would have done so well. They ARE dinosaurs, after all! Regards, Karen Rosenstiel Seattle WA USA -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:52 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck Very occasionally they do I suspect, but I totally agree with your sentiments, I am always impressed at how fast flocks of parrots go past our house, they are blisteringly fast and in close formation, but they hold it together. I also enjoy watching the territorial birds dogfight for over the backyard - amazing ability and skills - brilliant stuff. I would suggest that is what tens of millions of years of evolution can do for you. We need to practice A LOT MORE! :) *flapping arms at desk...* hmmmm.... Long way to go for our species before we master that lill trick natively. cheers Darryl. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 08:36:04 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:36:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907230636tf407d8ej5b0d6d01e29dd3a3@mail.gmail.com> If you think that, then you have no future in BI, and possibly no experience in working with companies that merged into a single firm. A. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 23 09:35:04 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:35:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907230636tf407d8ej5b0d6d01e29dd3a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> <29f585dd0907230636tf407d8ej5b0d6d01e29dd3a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A687518.5040005@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. Since you completely edited what you are responding to, we haven't a clue what you are responding to. ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Arthur Fuller wrote: > If you think that, then you have no future in BI, and possibly no experience > in working with companies that merged into a single firm. > > A. From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 09:45:35 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:45:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] The dread 2501: The Close action was canceled error Message-ID: <304E31186DCA4985A5B28BCF65AC4FB8@SusanOne> A reader is trying to use some simple form and report closing code that I offered in a blog entry. He's getting that notorious 2501: The Close action was canceled error. I'm going to check the archives later, but if someone knows off the top of their head how to resolve this, please let me know. The truth is, I've seen you guys discuss it several times, but I don't recall the resolution. Susan H. From dwaters at usinternet.com Thu Jul 23 09:58:45 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:58:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] The dread 2501: The Close action was canceled error In-Reply-To: <304E31186DCA4985A5B28BCF65AC4FB8@SusanOne> References: <304E31186DCA4985A5B28BCF65AC4FB8@SusanOne> Message-ID: Hi Susan, I just resolved this for a report by changing the margins from 0.25 to 0.5. Apparently the printer would reject the report with the smaller margins. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:46 AM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] The dread 2501: The Close action was canceled error A reader is trying to use some simple form and report closing code that I offered in a blog entry. He's getting that notorious 2501: The Close action was canceled error. I'm going to check the archives later, but if someone knows off the top of their head how to resolve this, please let me know. The truth is, I've seen you guys discuss it several times, but I don't recall the resolution. Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Thu Jul 23 10:14:09 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:14:09 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 In-Reply-To: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> References: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> Message-ID: Rocky, Property exists in both DAO and ADO. You need to disambiguate all references to objects that exist in both models, i.e., DAO.Property. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:16 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 Dear List: I have a legacy app that was developed in 2003. The client wants an accde so in Access 2007 I opened the 2003 mdb and save it in 2007 format as an accdb. I then opened the accdb but it has compile errors which don't make sense. Specifically I get a type mismatch on the .Name property. Dim db as DAO.Database Dim prp as Property Set db = CurrentDb For Each prp in db.Properties And here I use prp.Name - gives a type mismatch on compile. Name does not appear in the list of properties when I type prp. Same problem with dim fld as Field referencing fld.Name - type mismatch. When I type fld. Name does not appear in the property list. Reference problem maybe? In the reference list I've got Visual Basic for Applications MS Access 12.0 Obj lib OLE Automation MS CDO for Windows 2000 Lib MS Calendar Control 2007 MS Word 12.0 Obj Lib MS VB for Apps Extensibility 5.3 MS Office 12.0 Access Database Engine Object Library I can't reference DAO 3.6 - gets a 'conflicts with another library' error Any clues? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com Thu Jul 23 11:02:55 2009 From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:02:55 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FormatCondition Message-ID: <4A6889AF.7060108@nanaimo.ark.com> Hey All I have been playing around with some simple conditional formatting code. Adding a condition to a text box with a click of a button. It works but when I close the form and go into to the design mode to check to what conditions are set for the text box nothing. I swear earlier this morning the conditions were there. In my test form there is no delete conditions code on closing the form. Is there another setting I am missing. Thanks From dkalsow at yahoo.com Thu Jul 23 11:21:53 2009 From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [AccessD] Report Events Message-ID: <923824.76680.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Good Morning Everyone, ? In access 2007 is there a way to turn off the Detail_Format and ReportHeader_Format events?? I do not want to but the are not firing.? I up a break point in each of them and the software never stops. ? thanks! ? Dale From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 12:14:24 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:14:24 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907230636tf407d8ej5b0d6d01e29dd3a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> <29f585dd0907230636tf407d8ej5b0d6d01e29dd3a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a689a72.1c05d00a.64b3.ffffcc05@mx.google.com> Eh? Has somebody upset you? Give me their address, Arthur..... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 23 July 2009 14:36 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck If you think that, then you have no future in BI, and possibly no experience in working with companies that merged into a single firm. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 23 12:50:57 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:50:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <4a689a72.1c05d00a.64b3.ffffcc05@mx.google.com> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> <29f585dd0907230636tf407d8ej5b0d6d01e29dd3a3@mail.gmail.com> <4a689a72.1c05d00a.64b3.ffffcc05@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A68A301.4070906@colbyconsulting.com> ROTFL. You know people of the gangster ilk? ;) Or are YOU of the gangster ilk? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Eh? Has somebody upset you? Give me their address, Arthur..... > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: 23 July 2009 14:36 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > If you think that, then you have no future in BI, and possibly no experience > in working with companies that merged into a single firm. > > A. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 12:58:15 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:58:15 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck In-Reply-To: <4A68A301.4070906@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com> <29f585dd0907230636tf407d8ej5b0d6d01e29dd3a3@mail.gmail.com> <4a689a72.1c05d00a.64b3.ffffcc05@mx.google.com> <4A68A301.4070906@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a68a4b9.1818d00a.5b65.5429@mx.google.com> Oh no, I just want to make sure I don't upset them....LOL Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 23 July 2009 18:51 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck ROTFL. You know people of the gangster ilk? ;) Or are YOU of the gangster ilk? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Eh? Has somebody upset you? Give me their address, Arthur..... > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: 23 July 2009 14:36 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > > If you think that, then you have no future in BI, and possibly no experience > in working with companies that merged into a single firm. > > A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From pedro at plex.nl Thu Jul 23 13:28:58 2009 From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:28:58 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] font Message-ID: <000601ca0bc3$71b29e20$410aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Hello Group, on one of my pc's, when i open a access table or query, there suddenly is a strange font. The font in the forms is Normal. When i look in Tools - Options - Datasheet - Default Font, the listbox is empty and i can't choose a font. How is this possible and how do i repair this? Pedro From Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com Thu Jul 23 13:44:44 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at aiuholdings.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:44:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] font In-Reply-To: <000601ca0bc3$71b29e20$410aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> References: <000601ca0bc3$71b29e20$410aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Message-ID: Seen that before. You probably have too many fonts installed. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:29 PM To: AccessD Subject: [AccessD] font Hello Group, on one of my pc's, when i open a access table or query, there suddenly is a strange font. The font in the forms is Normal. When i look in Tools - Options - Datasheet - Default Font, the listbox is empty and i can't choose a font. How is this possible and how do i repair this? Pedro -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jul 23 14:04:44 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:04:44 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> Message-ID: <85E46C57662B4448AC4C6F252A0D39A3@HAL9005> A better solution than changing the order of the references, for sure, even though that worked. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 Rocky, Property exists in both DAO and ADO. You need to disambiguate all references to objects that exist in both models, i.e., DAO.Property. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:16 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 Dear List: I have a legacy app that was developed in 2003. The client wants an accde so in Access 2007 I opened the 2003 mdb and save it in 2007 format as an accdb. I then opened the accdb but it has compile errors which don't make sense. Specifically I get a type mismatch on the .Name property. Dim db as DAO.Database Dim prp as Property Set db = CurrentDb For Each prp in db.Properties And here I use prp.Name - gives a type mismatch on compile. Name does not appear in the list of properties when I type prp. Same problem with dim fld as Field referencing fld.Name - type mismatch. When I type fld. Name does not appear in the property list. Reference problem maybe? In the reference list I've got Visual Basic for Applications MS Access 12.0 Obj lib OLE Automation MS CDO for Windows 2000 Lib MS Calendar Control 2007 MS Word 12.0 Obj Lib MS VB for Apps Extensibility 5.3 MS Office 12.0 Access Database Engine Object Library I can't reference DAO 3.6 - gets a 'conflicts with another library' error Any clues? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 23 14:21:46 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:21:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: 203 vs. 2007 In-Reply-To: <85E46C57662B4448AC4C6F252A0D39A3@HAL9005> References: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> <85E46C57662B4448AC4C6F252A0D39A3@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4A68B84A.5070101@colbyconsulting.com> This has become second nature. I always dim as Lib.Object where possible. There are actually cases where it is not possible (or at least easy) to discover the library, but where possible specifying in the dim statement eliminates those kinds of errors. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin wrote: > A better solution than changing the order of the references, for sure, even > though that worked. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:14 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 > > Rocky, > > Property exists in both DAO and ADO. You need to disambiguate all > references to objects that exist in both models, i.e., DAO.Property. > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:16 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 > > Dear List: > > I have a legacy app that was developed in 2003. The client wants an accde > so in Access 2007 I opened the 2003 mdb and save it in 2007 format as an > accdb. I then opened the accdb but it has compile errors which don't make > sense. Specifically I get a type mismatch on the .Name property. > > Dim db as DAO.Database > Dim prp as Property > Set db = CurrentDb > For Each prp in db.Properties > > And here I use prp.Name - gives a type mismatch on compile. Name does not > appear in the list of properties when I type prp. > > Same problem with dim fld as Field referencing fld.Name - type mismatch. > When I type fld. Name does not appear in the property list. > > Reference problem maybe? > > In the reference list I've got > > Visual Basic for Applications > MS Access 12.0 Obj lib > OLE Automation > MS CDO for Windows 2000 Lib > MS Calendar Control 2007 > MS Word 12.0 Obj Lib > MS VB for Apps Extensibility 5.3 > MS Office 12.0 Access Database Engine Object Library > > I can't reference DAO 3.6 - gets a 'conflicts with another library' > error > > Any clues? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 23 15:37:38 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:37:38 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] The dread 2501: The Close action was canceled error In-Reply-To: <304E31186DCA4985A5B28BCF65AC4FB8@SusanOne> References: <304E31186DCA4985A5B28BCF65AC4FB8@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4A68CA12.3373.4DF9E0C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> First thing I check in that situation is the record source. An invalid SQL statement or a broken query is the most common cause in my experience. -- Stuart On 23 Jul 2009 at 10:45, Susan Harkins wrote: > A reader is trying to use some simple form and report closing code that I > offered in a blog entry. He's getting that notorious 2501: The Close action > was canceled error. I'm going to check the archives later, but if someone > knows off the top of their head how to resolve this, please let me know. The > truth is, I've seen you guys discuss it several times, but I don't recall > the resolution. > > Susan H. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Thu Jul 23 15:58:30 2009 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:58:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Data entry in table question Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0690735672@houex1.kindermorgan.com> When I type a number with eight decimal places into a table with data type of single the last digit changes when saved. What is happening? Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 16:07:30 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:07:30 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Data entry in table question In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0690735672@houex1.kindermorgan.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0690735672@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <4a68d115.0506d00a.6878.7792@mx.google.com> Chester, it is probably just rounding. Have a look here and at similar links http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-3780535.php Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester Sent: 23 July 2009 21:59 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data entry in table question When I type a number with eight decimal places into a table with data type of single the last digit changes when saved. What is happening? Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 16:09:50 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:09:50 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Data entry in table question In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0690735672@houex1.kindermorgan.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0690735672@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <4a68d1a2.0702d00a.78e3.50e6@mx.google.com> And this.. You can use the numeric type "Decimal" which has the highest level of precision (18). Also, you can use a combination of the Fix() and Eval() functions to enforce the numeric integrity of your values. For example, this messing looking function accurately rounds a value (using proper, bankers rounding, not scientific rounding as Access does natively): Code: Public Function Round(ByVal Number As Double, Optional ByVal NumDigitsAfterDecimal As Integer = 0) As Double Round = Fix(Eval(Number * (10 ^ NumDigitsAfterDecimal) + (0.500000000001 * Sgn(Number)))) / (10 ^ NumDigitsAfterDecimal) End Function From: http://www.utteraccess.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1808628&page=&vie w=&sb=5&o=&vc=1 Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester Sent: 23 July 2009 21:59 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data entry in table question When I type a number with eight decimal places into a table with data type of single the last digit changes when saved. What is happening? Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 16:09:50 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:09:50 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Data entry in table question In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0690735672@houex1.kindermorgan.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0690735672@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <4a68d1a0.0702d00a.78e3.50e2@mx.google.com> Type this into Google - many links ms access digit accuracy Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester Sent: 23 July 2009 21:59 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data entry in table question When I type a number with eight decimal places into a table with data type of single the last digit changes when saved. What is happening? Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 23 16:39:55 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:39:55 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Data entry in table question In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0690735672@houex1.kindermorgan.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0690735672@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <4A68D8AB.7704.518A36A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Single is short for "Single Precision Floating point Number". Because of the way they are stored, Single Precision effectively means 7 significant digits ( in the range -3.402823E38 to -1.401298E-45 for negative values; 1.401298E-45 to 3.402823E38 for positive values) -- Stuart On 23 Jul 2009 at 15:58, Kaup, Chester wrote: > When I type a number with eight decimal places into a table with data > type of single the last digit changes when saved. What is happening? > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Thu Jul 23 16:52:36 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:52:36 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 In-Reply-To: <85E46C57662B4448AC4C6F252A0D39A3@HAL9005> References: <30F5A663A86341C2A540DF54FEA3E4DA@HAL9005> <85E46C57662B4448AC4C6F252A0D39A3@HAL9005> Message-ID: Yeah, when ADO came on the scene back in 2000, I learned disambiguation fast! Makes it a lot easier to debug too and intellisense gives you the right list of methods/properties/whatever. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 A better solution than changing the order of the references, for sure, even though that worked. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 203 vs. 2007 Rocky, Property exists in both DAO and ADO. You need to disambiguate all references to objects that exist in both models, i.e., DAO.Property. Charlotte Foust From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Thu Jul 23 16:54:15 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:54:15 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Data entry in table question In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0690735672@houex1.kindermorgan.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0690735672@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: It's a question of precision. There are limits on the precision of a single, so a large enough number starts trimming from the right. That's why you need doubles for some things. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Data entry in table question When I type a number with eight decimal places into a table with data type of single the last digit changes when saved. What is happening? Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 23 21:29:12 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:29:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] An update on the story Message-ID: <4A691C78.8030808@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32031049/ns/travel-tips/ -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 01:49:51 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:49:51 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT FRiday In-Reply-To: <4A68CA12.3373.4DF9E0C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <304E31186DCA4985A5B28BCF65AC4FB8@SusanOne> <4A68CA12.3373.4DF9E0C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4a695991.0707d00a.6549.0539@mx.google.com> Sometimes life is just so hard... We are in DEEP trouble... The population of this country is approximately 60 million. 32 million are retired. That leaves 28 million to do the work. There are 17 million in school or at Universities. Which leaves 11 million to do the work. Of this there are 8 million employed by the UK government. Leaving 3 million to do the work. 1.2 million are in the armed forces preoccupied with killing Osama Bin-Laden, and fighting in Afghanistan . Which leaves 1.8 million to do the work. Take from that total the 0.8 million people who work for Local County Councils. And that leaves 1 million to do the work. At any given time there are 488,000 people in hospitals or claiming Invalidity Benefit. Leaving 512,000 to do the work. Now, there are 511,998 people in prisons. That leaves just two people to do the work. You and me. And there you are, Sitting on your ass, At your computer, reading jokes. Is it any wonder that we are in such a mess and that I am stressed out through trying to cope on my own? From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 01:53:21 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:53:21 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT:Friday Message-ID: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com> A Powerful Message from Stevie Wonder On Michael Jackson's Death. ....... .. . . .. ... .. . . . . . . . . .. . .. .. .. .. . . .. ... ... .. ... ... ... ... .... ...... ... ... ... .... ..... .. . .. . . . .. . . . .. ... . .... ... .... .... ... ......=2 0.... .... .... ..... ..... ..... .. . . .... .... . .. . . . .. . .. . ... ....... ... ... ... .. ... ....... ... .. .... ... ... .... .... . .. .. . .. .... .. . . . . . .. .. . .. .. .... .. ... ... ....... ...... ..... Deep stuff hey? I nearly cried when he said ". .. . . . .. .. . .. .. . . .... ...." _____ From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 24 07:13:34 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:13:34 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com> References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/22/access-2010-the-10-000-ft-view.aspx Centralize business logic. Data macros allow you to write logic behind tables similar to SQL triggers. This makes it easier to maintain applications because you can centralize business logic: -- Stuart From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jul 24 08:45:18 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:45:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: <4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com> <4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4A69BAEE.10505@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. Marketing fluff. Notice they don't mentioned "fixed 10 year old bugs from previous versions". John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Stuart McLachlan wrote: > http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/22/access-2010-the-10-000-ft-view.aspx > > Centralize business logic. Data macros allow you to write logic behind tables similar to SQL > triggers. This makes it easier to maintain applications because you can centralize business > logic: > From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Fri Jul 24 08:59:34 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:59:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck References: <4A65D357.2030906@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a66253a.0702d00a.77e8.068b@mx.google.com>, <8786a4c00907211432g3648075dhc5c4bb88828c4f93@mail.gmail.com><4A663DD7.25111.13B59821@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: ...kind of like trying to develop in Access with a ribbon, eh :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Schapel" Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:31 PM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Surrogate keys suck > True. Plus you don't operate your car's brakes with a mouse. > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:14 AM > >> There's a big difference between your reaction time when you are waiting >> for a specific >> event to occur in the next few seconds and your reaction time when you >> are driving along a >> road and something unexpected happens. >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 10:45:43 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:45:43 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: <4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com> <4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4a69d72c.0707d00a.655e.740e@mx.google.com> Thought that was what WITH EVENTS did? Aka triggers?? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 24 July 2009 13:14 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/22/access-2010-the-10-000-ft-vi ew.aspx Centralize business logic. Data macros allow you to write logic behind tables similar to SQL triggers. This makes it easier to maintain applications because you can centralize business logic: -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Fri Jul 24 10:45:07 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:45:07 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: <4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com> <4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: But you can already do that with classes that inherit .Net TypedDatasets. Why wait for the second coming of Access? Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 5:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/22/access-2010-the-10-000-f t-view.aspx Centralize business logic. Data macros allow you to write logic behind tables similar to SQL triggers. This makes it easier to maintain applications because you can centralize business logic: -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Fri Jul 24 10:49:34 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:49:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: <4a69d72c.0707d00a.655e.740e@mx.google.com> References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com><4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a69d72c.0707d00a.655e.740e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Nope, With Events just sinks the events raised by another object. Triggers belong to the tables themselves. In .Net, you can enforce business rules in a central location by implementing them in a class that inherits a typed dataset. Then you just use the class object throughout the app and WALLA!! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:46 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? Thought that was what WITH EVENTS did? Aka triggers?? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 24 July 2009 13:14 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/22/access-2010-the-10-000-f t-vi ew.aspx Centralize business logic. Data macros allow you to write logic behind tables similar to SQL triggers. This makes it easier to maintain applications because you can centralize business logic: -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 10:57:01 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:57:01 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com><4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a69d72c.0707d00a.655e.740e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a69d9d1.0702d00a.1f26.ffffc551@mx.google.com> Voila perhaps? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 24 July 2009 16:50 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? Nope, With Events just sinks the events raised by another object. Triggers belong to the tables themselves. In .Net, you can enforce business rules in a central location by implementing them in a class that inherits a typed dataset. Then you just use the class object throughout the app and WALLA!! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:46 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? Thought that was what WITH EVENTS did? Aka triggers?? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 24 July 2009 13:14 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/22/access-2010-the-10-000-f t-vi ew.aspx Centralize business logic. Data macros allow you to write logic behind tables similar to SQL triggers. This makes it easier to maintain applications because you can centralize business logic: -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 10:58:16 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:58:16 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com><4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a69d72c.0707d00a.655e.740e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a69da1e.0702d00a.3d41.42d2@mx.google.com> A Rose by any other name. Both do the same thing if you want it to...no? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 24 July 2009 16:50 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? Nope, With Events just sinks the events raised by another object. Triggers belong to the tables themselves. In .Net, you can enforce business rules in a central location by implementing them in a class that inherits a typed dataset. Then you just use the class object throughout the app and WALLA!! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:46 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? Thought that was what WITH EVENTS did? Aka triggers?? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 24 July 2009 13:14 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/22/access-2010-the-10-000-f t-vi ew.aspx Centralize business logic. Data macros allow you to write logic behind tables similar to SQL triggers. This makes it easier to maintain applications because you can centralize business logic: -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Fri Jul 24 11:22:12 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:22:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: <4a69d9d1.0702d00a.1f26.ffffc551@mx.google.com> References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com><4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a69d72c.0707d00a.655e.740e@mx.google.com> <4a69d9d1.0702d00a.1f26.ffffc551@mx.google.com> Message-ID: No, I played violin. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? Voila perhaps? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 24 July 2009 16:50 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? Nope, With Events just sinks the events raised by another object. Triggers belong to the tables themselves. In .Net, you can enforce business rules in a central location by implementing them in a class that inherits a typed dataset. Then you just use the class object throughout the app and WALLA!! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:46 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? Thought that was what WITH EVENTS did? Aka triggers?? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 24 July 2009 13:14 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/22/access-2010-the-10-000-f t-vi ew.aspx Centralize business logic. Data macros allow you to write logic behind tables similar to SQL triggers. This makes it easier to maintain applications because you can centralize business logic: -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 12:05:57 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:05:57 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com> <4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4a69e9f7.0a04d00a.0e25.1af5@mx.google.com> I wouldn't wait for the second coming of anything - I have Access 2003 which for the last few years has done pretty much everything I have needed. And what is more, I understand it and it now understands me! I even dream of it and who knows, maybe it dreams of me..... Can't be beaten. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 24 July 2009 16:45 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? But you can already do that with classes that inherit .Net TypedDatasets. Why wait for the second coming of Access? Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 5:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/22/access-2010-the-10-000-f t-view.aspx Centralize business logic. Data macros allow you to write logic behind tables similar to SQL triggers. This makes it easier to maintain applications because you can centralize business logic: -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 12:11:36 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:11:36 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] A free way to give Office 2007 the classic look Message-ID: <4a69eb4b.0a1ad00a.306c.75e6@mx.google.com> http://news.office-watch.com/img.aspx?img=799-UbitMenu%20-%20Insert%20menu.j pg&a=799 Max From davidmcafee at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 13:11:36 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:11:36 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 Message-ID: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com> Ok, so I was working on my Laptop last night with has O2K7. A lot of times when using access for developmental purposes need to switch between windows. Alt-W then choose the number of the window that I want. How the Hell does one accomplish this in A2007? Especially when view a maximized report! From susanj at sgmeet.com Fri Jul 24 14:27:41 2009 From: susanj at sgmeet.com (Susan Jones) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:27:41 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.co m> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> Ctrl+F6 might be what you're needing?? Not very convenient but still better than taking your hands off the keyboard completely. You would think it would be Ctrl+Tab like every other app ever created, but, nope, it just sits there. I struggled with how to move through the document tabs for almost a year before I finally found that Ctrl+F6 does what I'd been trying to do. Ended up creating a dummy db and just clicking through different combinations until I found it. Aaaaahhhhh!!!!! Susan At 01:11 PM 7/24/09, you wrote: >Ok, so I was working on my Laptop last night with has O2K7. > >A lot of times when using access for developmental purposes need to switch >between windows. > >Alt-W then choose the number of the window that I want. > >How the Hell does one accomplish this in A2007? Especially when view a >maximized report! >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 4162 (20090617) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jul 24 14:44:23 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:44:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> Message-ID: <4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com> If you hold down Ctl, tap F6, and release Ctl, you will toggle back to the previous window. If you hold down Ctl, tap F6, and tap it again, you will start to move through ALL open windows. This behavior is at the least an Office behavior, IOW if you have 6 sheets open in an excel workbook then Ctl-F6-F6-F6 will move you through two other spreadsheets from the current. Same idea in Word. Ctl-F6-release both will just take you back to the immediate previous window. I am of course talking about windows INSIDE of the current Office Application. Alt-Tab does a similar thing but between open APPLICATIONS. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Susan Jones wrote: > Ctrl+F6 might be what you're needing?? Not very convenient but still > better than taking your hands off the keyboard completely. You would > think it would be Ctrl+Tab like every other app ever created, but, > nope, it just sits there. I struggled with how to move through the > document tabs for almost a year before I finally found that Ctrl+F6 > does what I'd been trying to do. Ended up creating a dummy db and > just clicking through different combinations until I found it. Aaaaahhhhh!!!!! > Susan > > > At 01:11 PM 7/24/09, you wrote: >> Ok, so I was working on my Laptop last night with has O2K7. >> >> A lot of times when using access for developmental purposes need to switch >> between windows. >> >> Alt-W then choose the number of the window that I want. >> >> How the Hell does one accomplish this in A2007? Especially when view a >> maximized report! >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4162 (20090617) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 15:16:45 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:16:45 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907241316t296c047bq11a5c88d8d4fe3f7@mail.gmail.com> Cool. I guess I am the only Alt-W guy. Never really user Ctrl F6. Its not the most ergonomic move with Microsoft Natural Keyboards. ;) D On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Susan Jones wrote: > Ctrl+F6 might be what you're needing?? Not very convenient but still > better than taking your hands off the keyboard completely. You would > think it would be Ctrl+Tab like every other app ever created, but, > nope, it just sits there. I struggled with how to move through the > document tabs for almost a year before I finally found that Ctrl+F6 > does what I'd been trying to do. Ended up creating a dummy db and > just clicking through different combinations until I found it. > Aaaaahhhhh!!!!! > Susan > > > At 01:11 PM 7/24/09, you wrote: > >Ok, so I was working on my Laptop last night with has O2K7. > > > >A lot of times when using access for developmental purposes need to switch > >between windows. > > > >Alt-W then choose the number of the window that I want. > > > >How the Hell does one accomplish this in A2007? Especially when view a > >maximized report! > From susanj at sgmeet.com Fri Jul 24 16:21:12 2009 From: susanj at sgmeet.com (Susan Jones) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:21:12 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00907241316t296c047bq11a5c88d8d4fe3f7@mail.gmail.co m> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> <8786a4c00907241316t296c047bq11a5c88d8d4fe3f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090724154817.20856B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> No, definitely not! Susan At 03:16 PM 7/24/09, you wrote: >Cool. I guess I am the only Alt-W guy. Never really user Ctrl F6. > >Its not the most ergonomic move with Microsoft Natural Keyboards. ;) > >D > >On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Susan Jones wrote: > > > Ctrl+F6 might be what you're needing?? Not very convenient but still > > better than taking your hands off the keyboard completely. You would > > think it would be Ctrl+Tab like every other app ever created, but, > > nope, it just sits there. I struggled with how to move through the > > document tabs for almost a year before I finally found that Ctrl+F6 > > does what I'd been trying to do. Ended up creating a dummy db and > > just clicking through different combinations until I found it. > > Aaaaahhhhh!!!!! > > Susan > > > > > > At 01:11 PM 7/24/09, you wrote: > > >Ok, so I was working on my Laptop last night with has O2K7. > > > > > >A lot of times when using access for developmental purposes need to switch > > >between windows. > > > > > >Alt-W then choose the number of the window that I want. > > > > > >How the Hell does one accomplish this in A2007? Especially when view a > > >maximized report! > > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 4162 (20090617) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Fri Jul 24 17:54:04 2009 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:54:04 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com><20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> <4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <49EF7BC3AC2B44E6BFE8C573686E6735@AB> In Access ctl-F6 will toggle windows in the current file (not windows from any other file). In Excel tl-F6 will toggle windows in all open Excel-files (not windows from any other application). If you want to toggle different spreadsheets within the same Excel workbook you should use Ctl-PgDn or Ctl-PgUp, not Ctl-F6. Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af jwcolby Sendt: 24. juli 2009 21:44 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 If you hold down Ctl, tap F6, and release Ctl, you will toggle back to the previous window. If you hold down Ctl, tap F6, and tap it again, you will start to move through ALL open windows. This behavior is at the least an Office behavior, IOW if you have 6 sheets open in an excel workbook then Ctl-F6-F6-F6 will move you through two other spreadsheets from the current. Same idea in Word. Ctl-F6-release both will just take you back to the immediate previous window. I am of course talking about windows INSIDE of the current Office Application. Alt-Tab does a similar thing but between open APPLICATIONS. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Susan Jones wrote: > Ctrl+F6 might be what you're needing?? Not very convenient but still > better than taking your hands off the keyboard completely. You would > think it would be Ctrl+Tab like every other app ever created, but, > nope, it just sits there. I struggled with how to move through the > document tabs for almost a year before I finally found that Ctrl+F6 > does what I'd been trying to do. Ended up creating a dummy db and > just clicking through different combinations until I found it. Aaaaahhhhh!!!!! > Susan > > > At 01:11 PM 7/24/09, you wrote: >> Ok, so I was working on my Laptop last night with has O2K7. >> >> A lot of times when using access for developmental purposes need to switch >> between windows. >> >> Alt-W then choose the number of the window that I want. >> >> How the Hell does one accomplish this in A2007? Especially when view a >> maximized report! >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4162 (20090617) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jul 24 20:21:05 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:21:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <49EF7BC3AC2B44E6BFE8C573686E6735@AB> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com><20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> <4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com> <49EF7BC3AC2B44E6BFE8C573686E6735@AB> Message-ID: <4A6A5E01.7030506@colbyconsulting.com> Interesting. Shows how much I know about Excel. Office is a rather barbaric collection of trash if I do say so myself. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Asger Blond wrote: > In Access ctl-F6 will toggle windows in the current file (not windows from > any other file). > In Excel tl-F6 will toggle windows in all open Excel-files (not windows from > any other application). > If you want to toggle different spreadsheets within the same Excel workbook > you should use Ctl-PgDn or Ctl-PgUp, not Ctl-F6. > > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af jwcolby > Sendt: 24. juli 2009 21:44 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 > > If you hold down Ctl, tap F6, and release Ctl, you will toggle back to the > previous window. If you > hold down Ctl, tap F6, and tap it again, you will start to move through ALL > open windows. > > This behavior is at the least an Office behavior, IOW if you have 6 sheets > open in an excel workbook > then Ctl-F6-F6-F6 will move you through two other spreadsheets from the > current. > > Same idea in Word. > > Ctl-F6-release both will just take you back to the immediate previous > window. > > I am of course talking about windows INSIDE of the current Office > Application. Alt-Tab does a > similar thing but between open APPLICATIONS. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Susan Jones wrote: >> Ctrl+F6 might be what you're needing?? Not very convenient but still >> better than taking your hands off the keyboard completely. You would >> think it would be Ctrl+Tab like every other app ever created, but, >> nope, it just sits there. I struggled with how to move through the >> document tabs for almost a year before I finally found that Ctrl+F6 >> does what I'd been trying to do. Ended up creating a dummy db and >> just clicking through different combinations until I found it. > Aaaaahhhhh!!!!! >> Susan >> >> >> At 01:11 PM 7/24/09, you wrote: >>> Ok, so I was working on my Laptop last night with has O2K7. >>> >>> A lot of times when using access for developmental purposes need to > switch >>> between windows. >>> >>> Alt-W then choose the number of the window that I want. >>> >>> How the Hell does one accomplish this in A2007? Especially when view a >>> maximized report! >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 4162 (20090617) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jul 24 20:42:45 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:42:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Office Discount for US Students -The Ultimate Steal- Office 2007 Software for $59.95 Message-ID: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> Rather a good deal for anyone eligible. http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-us/default.aspx -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jul 24 21:11:23 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:11:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Office Discount for US Students -The Ultimate Steal- Office 2007 Software for $59.95 In-Reply-To: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A6A69CB.5060903@colbyconsulting.com> LOL, if you are interested in a cheap price for a rather barbaric collection of trash. And 2007 at that. But a good price none the less. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com jwcolby wrote: > Rather a good deal for anyone eligible. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-us/default.aspx From tom.p at piedpiper.com.au Fri Jul 24 21:12:24 2009 From: tom.p at piedpiper.com.au (Tom Keatley) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:12:24 +0800 Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesnt end here.................................. References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> Hi all..... I have been a lurker on this list for more years now than I care to remember and many of you will remember answering my "sometimes" inane questions as I tried to learn as much as I could about Access. I have built a number of Access database's over the years that continue to help me earn an income and many of you are a part of those databases with little snippets of code here and there. I thank you all ....you know who you are. I am about to undergo a quadruple bypass (I thought it only happened to everyone else!!!!) and am suitably apprehensive (read apprehensive as BLOODY TERRIFIED) about the prospect. I have no doubt some of you have already experienced this too. I run a small family business that is heavily dependant on the aforementioned Access databases and should the worst happen to me in the operation my 31 year old daughter Kristal will be trying to take my place as Access database builder to keep our business running. She is a complete novice but I have just joined her on the list (in case) and have said she should make your aquaintance should she need to. I know you will render her any assistance she may need. Thanks people ....I hope to talk to you soon REgards Tom Keatley From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 24 21:45:27 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:45:27 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesntend here.................................. In-Reply-To: <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> Message-ID: <37B08CE225EC44F39A361F2F4E135CFC@HAL9005> Tom: Speaking for the board, if I might be so presumptuous - no worries. We'll take care of business for you while you recover. Tell her not to be a stranger. I've been on the list > 10 years. Your experience is exactly my experience. I make a living creating Access databases. The list has saved my bacon countless times. Last week I think was the most recent. We've got your back. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 7:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesntend here.................................. Hi all..... I have been a lurker on this list for more years now than I care to remember and many of you will remember answering my "sometimes" inane questions as I tried to learn as much as I could about Access. I have built a number of Access database's over the years that continue to help me earn an income and many of you are a part of those databases with little snippets of code here and there. I thank you all ....you know who you are. I am about to undergo a quadruple bypass (I thought it only happened to everyone else!!!!) and am suitably apprehensive (read apprehensive as BLOODY TERRIFIED) about the prospect. I have no doubt some of you have already experienced this too. I run a small family business that is heavily dependant on the aforementioned Access databases and should the worst happen to me in the operation my 31 year old daughter Kristal will be trying to take my place as Access database builder to keep our business running. She is a complete novice but I have just joined her on the list (in case) and have said she should make your aquaintance should she need to. I know you will render her any assistance she may need. Thanks people ....I hope to talk to you soon REgards Tom Keatley -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Sat Jul 25 01:06:02 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 01:06:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesntend here.................................. In-Reply-To: <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> Message-ID: First of all, good luck with the surgery! I had several stents put in last year. It was a walk in the park! My dad had a triple by pass years ago, so I know that a bypass is a lot more serious! Secondly, I'm sure you are more then welcome from any help you received. One of the main reasons I hang around the list is that it is such a great pool of collective talent! Hope to hear back from you soon, let us know you are ok! Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesntend here.................................. Hi all..... I have been a lurker on this list for more years now than I care to remember and many of you will remember answering my "sometimes" inane questions as I tried to learn as much as I could about Access. I have built a number of Access database's over the years that continue to help me earn an income and many of you are a part of those databases with little snippets of code here and there. I thank you all ....you know who you are. I am about to undergo a quadruple bypass (I thought it only happened to everyone else!!!!) and am suitably apprehensive (read apprehensive as BLOODY TERRIFIED) about the prospect. I have no doubt some of you have already experienced this too. I run a small family business that is heavily dependant on the aforementioned Access databases and should the worst happen to me in the operation my 31 year old daughter Kristal will be trying to take my place as Access database builder to keep our business running. She is a complete novice but I have just joined her on the list (in case) and have said she should make your aquaintance should she need to. I know you will render her any assistance she may need. Thanks people ....I hope to talk to you soon REgards Tom Keatley -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Sat Jul 25 02:05:34 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:05:34 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope itdoesntend here.................................. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes good luck Tom. Looking forward to hearing from you soon. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 25 July 2009 07:06 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope itdoesntend here.................................. First of all, good luck with the surgery! I had several stents put in last year. It was a walk in the park! My dad had a triple by pass years ago, so I know that a bypass is a lot more serious! Secondly, I'm sure you are more then welcome from any help you received. One of the main reasons I hang around the list is that it is such a great pool of collective talent! Hope to hear back from you soon, let us know you are ok! Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesntend here.................................. Hi all..... I have been a lurker on this list for more years now than I care to remember and many of you will remember answering my "sometimes" inane questions as I tried to learn as much as I could about Access. I have built a number of Access database's over the years that continue to help me earn an income and many of you are a part of those databases with little snippets of code here and there. I thank you all ....you know who you are. I am about to undergo a quadruple bypass (I thought it only happened to everyone else!!!!) and am suitably apprehensive (read apprehensive as BLOODY TERRIFIED) about the prospect. I have no doubt some of you have already experienced this too. I run a small family business that is heavily dependant on the aforementioned Access databases and should the worst happen to me in the operation my 31 year old daughter Kristal will be trying to take my place as Access database builder to keep our business running. She is a complete novice but I have just joined her on the list (in case) and have said she should make your aquaintance should she need to. I know you will render her any assistance she may need. Thanks people ....I hope to talk to you soon REgards Tom Keatley -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Sat Jul 25 02:55:13 2009 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:55:13 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesntend here.................................. Message-ID: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE03867A@server.BondSoftware.local> Tom, I had a triple 11 years ago at 50. Best thing I ever did. Wasn't too long before I was back on deck and working, but slowly, with immense help from my chauffeur (wife) for the first month or two. The important thing in the recovery process is to just changes gears smoothly. Four or five months after the op I hired a self-operated ditch-digger because I thought I could handle it. Don't. Apprehensive is good, you join a long list of apprehensives. And if it's any help, our oldest daughter was in the early years of med school at the time watching Dad's type of operation; she is now a pediatric specialist and she keeps me up to date with advances in the surgery Dad had, and it continues to amaze me at the changes and improvements in just 11 years. Be encouraged, from a predecessor ... Stephen Bond (And in the words of a get-well card from one of my dog-owning clients at the time ... HEAL!!) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley Sent: Saturday, 25 July 2009 2:15 p.m. To: Stephen Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesntend here.................................. Hi all..... I have been a lurker on this list for more years now than I care to remember and many of you will remember answering my "sometimes" inane questions as I tried to learn as much as I could about Access. I have built a number of Access database's over the years that continue to help me earn an income and many of you are a part of those databases with little snippets of code here and there. I thank you all ....you know who you are. I am about to undergo a quadruple bypass (I thought it only happened to everyone else!!!!) and am suitably apprehensive (read apprehensive as BLOODY TERRIFIED) about the prospect. I have no doubt some of you have already experienced this too. I run a small family business that is heavily dependant on the aforementioned Access databases and should the worst happen to me in the operation my 31 year old daughter Kristal will be trying to take my place as Access database builder to keep our business running. She is a complete novice but I have just joined her on the list (in case) and have said she should make your aquaintance should she need to. I know you will render her any assistance she may need. Thanks people ....I hope to talk to you soon REgards Tom Keatley -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paulrster at gmail.com Sat Jul 25 03:53:58 2009 From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:53:58 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] A free way to give Office 2007 the classic look In-Reply-To: <4a69eb4b.0a1ad00a.306c.75e6@mx.google.com> References: <4a69eb4b.0a1ad00a.306c.75e6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1ad7dee90907250153q15487426h51ab969c1237fef2@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Max. This looks good. Have to smile with the slogan 'Office Watch is definitely not affiliated with Microsoft - and that's just one reason why we are so useful to Microsoft Office users around the world.' Cheers paul 2009/7/24 Max Wanadoo > > http://news.office-watch.com/img.aspx?img=799-UbitMenu%20-%20Insert%20menu.j > pg&a=799 > > > > Max > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Jul 25 05:03:16 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:03:16 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesnt end here.................................. In-Reply-To: <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> Message-ID: <4a6ad864.0a04d00a.4e48.4c6d@mx.google.com> Tom, You have my email. You only have to ask. Best of luck, mate Max Ps. You have some very, very experienced people down under. A couple of guys in N.America are ok too...lol -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley Sent: 25 July 2009 03:12 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesnt end here.................................. Hi all..... I have been a lurker on this list for more years now than I care to remember and many of you will remember answering my "sometimes" inane questions as I tried to learn as much as I could about Access. I have built a number of Access database's over the years that continue to help me earn an income and many of you are a part of those databases with little snippets of code here and there. I thank you all ....you know who you are. I am about to undergo a quadruple bypass (I thought it only happened to everyone else!!!!) and am suitably apprehensive (read apprehensive as BLOODY TERRIFIED) about the prospect. I have no doubt some of you have already experienced this too. I run a small family business that is heavily dependant on the aforementioned Access databases and should the worst happen to me in the operation my 31 year old daughter Kristal will be trying to take my place as Access database builder to keep our business running. She is a complete novice but I have just joined her on the list (in case) and have said she should make your aquaintance should she need to. I know you will render her any assistance she may need. Thanks people ....I hope to talk to you soon REgards Tom Keatley -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Sat Jul 25 06:45:28 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:45:28 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope itdoesnt end here.................................. In-Reply-To: <4a6ad864.0a04d00a.4e48.4c6d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The really bad news Tom is that by the time you're out of theatre your boys will have lost the Ashes :-) Andy PS For the benefit of those who play rounders, oops sorry baseball, cricket is the greatest game known to man, and the Ashes is the trophy played for by England, including the odd Welshman, and Australia, including the odd non-convict, which is itself the greatest contest within the greatest game known to man. No arguments. If you disagree you're just plain wrong. Think of it like a much better World Series but actually involving other countries in the world. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 25 July 2009 11:03 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope itdoesnt end here.................................. Tom, You have my email. You only have to ask. Best of luck, mate Max Ps. You have some very, very experienced people down under. A couple of guys in N.America are ok too...lol -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley Sent: 25 July 2009 03:12 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesnt end here.................................. Hi all..... I have been a lurker on this list for more years now than I care to remember and many of you will remember answering my "sometimes" inane questions as I tried to learn as much as I could about Access. I have built a number of Access database's over the years that continue to help me earn an income and many of you are a part of those databases with little snippets of code here and there. I thank you all ....you know who you are. I am about to undergo a quadruple bypass (I thought it only happened to everyone else!!!!) and am suitably apprehensive (read apprehensive as BLOODY TERRIFIED) about the prospect. I have no doubt some of you have already experienced this too. I run a small family business that is heavily dependant on the aforementioned Access databases and should the worst happen to me in the operation my 31 year old daughter Kristal will be trying to take my place as Access database builder to keep our business running. She is a complete novice but I have just joined her on the list (in case) and have said she should make your aquaintance should she need to. I know you will render her any assistance she may need. Thanks people ....I hope to talk to you soon REgards Tom Keatley -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Jul 25 07:05:15 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:05:15 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesnt end here.................................. In-Reply-To: <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> Message-ID: <4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com> Tom, We will keep you in our prayers, and my hopes are for a trouble free surgery and speedy recovery. And welcome to Krystal. We were all complete novices at one time, and we will be here for here support and yours as well. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Tom Keatley wrote: > Hi all..... > > I have been a lurker on this list for more years now than I care to remember and many of you will remember answering my "sometimes" inane questions as I tried to learn as much as I could about Access. > > I have built a number of Access database's over the years that continue to help me earn an income and many of you are a part of those databases with little snippets of code here and there. > > I thank you all ....you know who you are. > > I am about to undergo a quadruple bypass (I thought it only happened to everyone else!!!!) and am suitably apprehensive (read apprehensive as BLOODY TERRIFIED) about the prospect. I have no doubt some of you have already experienced this too. > > I run a small family business that is heavily dependant on the aforementioned Access databases and should the worst happen to me in the operation my 31 year old daughter Kristal will be trying to take my place as Access database builder to keep our business running. > > She is a complete novice but I have just joined her on the list (in case) and have said she should make your aquaintance should she need to. > > I know you will render her any assistance she may need. > > Thanks people ....I hope to talk to you soon > > REgards > > Tom Keatley From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Sat Jul 25 09:43:13 2009 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:43:13 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Clouds on the Sun, SunSet, SunRise driven by Oracle... ? Message-ID: <014b01ca0d36$4230a600$c691f200$@spb.ru> Hi All, I didn't hear that Sun Microsystems is being acquired by Oracle, did you? Here is some information on that important for IT-community event: "Sun has plans to create an in-cloud database, and will work with its MySQL technology to make that happen down the road. Sun acquired MySQL in January 2008. " http://www.sdtimes.com/link/33388 "We come not to bury Sun Microsystems, but to praise it." "Sun became known for unfettered innovation-and for the inability to make money out of its brilliance. Cleverness is not enough. That message, to me, means Sun." http://www.sdtimes.com/link/33636 "Oracle does not have a tradition of playing well with others. The company is not known for embracing competitors or for collaborating with them to create markets. Instead, Oracle is known for playing hardball to dominate its markets." "Another danger point is MySQL. If Oracle keeps MySQL, expect it to be at the bottom of the heap as a lead-in for upgrades to Oracle's big-gun database products. If Oracle decides not to kill or spin off MySQL, that's going to mean disruption for the community." http://www.sdtimes.com/link/33478 -- Shamil From john at winhaven.net Sat Jul 25 10:31:53 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:31:53 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesnt end here.................................. In-Reply-To: <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> Message-ID: <019c01ca0d3d$09d96a10$1d8c3e30$@net> Tom, You and Kristal are always welcome (and encouraged) to ask questions and I'm sure all here will give you the best assistance available. Best wishes on your surgery and recovery, John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. Email: mailto:president at databaseadvisors.com Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesnt end here.................................. Hi all..... I have been a lurker on this list for more years now than I care to remember and many of you will remember answering my "sometimes" inane questions as I tried to learn as much as I could about Access. I have built a number of Access database's over the years that continue to help me earn an income and many of you are a part of those databases with little snippets of code here and there. I thank you all ....you know who you are. I am about to undergo a quadruple bypass (I thought it only happened to everyone else!!!!) and am suitably apprehensive (read apprehensive as BLOODY TERRIFIED) about the prospect. I have no doubt some of you have already experienced this too. I run a small family business that is heavily dependant on the aforementioned Access databases and should the worst happen to me in the operation my 31 year old daughter Kristal will be trying to take my place as Access database builder to keep our business running. She is a complete novice but I have just joined her on the list (in case) and have said she should make your aquaintance should she need to. I know you will render her any assistance she may need. Thanks people ....I hope to talk to you soon REgards Tom Keatley -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From robert at servicexp.com Sat Jul 25 11:17:48 2009 From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:17:48 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesnt end here.................................. In-Reply-To: <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> Message-ID: <000301ca0d43$74749dd0$5d5dd970$@com> Our prayers are with you Tom, here -- here to a speedy recovery! WBR Robert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it doesnt end here.................................. Hi all..... I have been a lurker on this list for more years now than I care to remember and many of you will remember answering my "sometimes" inane questions as I tried to learn as much as I could about Access. I have built a number of Access database's over the years that continue to help me earn an income and many of you are a part of those databases with little snippets of code here and there. I thank you all ....you know who you are. I am about to undergo a quadruple bypass (I thought it only happened to everyone else!!!!) and am suitably apprehensive (read apprehensive as BLOODY TERRIFIED) about the prospect. I have no doubt some of you have already experienced this too. I run a small family business that is heavily dependant on the aforementioned Access databases and should the worst happen to me in the operation my 31 year old daughter Kristal will be trying to take my place as Access database builder to keep our business running. She is a complete novice but I have just joined her on the list (in case) and have said she should make your aquaintance should she need to. I know you will render her any assistance she may need. Thanks people ....I hope to talk to you soon REgards Tom Keatley -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Jul 25 15:00:52 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:00:52 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope itdoesntend here.................................. References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> <37B08CE225EC44F39A361F2F4E135CFC@HAL9005> Message-ID: <9D3A1DACF75B4F399C2C29909196E4C8@SusanOne> Well Tom, I can't say anything better than Rocky's already said it -- please tell your daughter to jump right in. And, please, ask her to let us know how you're doing???? Good luck with the surgery, but anymore, that stuff's just a tad more serious than having a wart removed! ;) You'll be back in no time, I suspect. Susan H. here.................................. > Tom: > > Speaking for the board, if I might be so presumptuous - no worries. We'll > take care of business for you while you recover. Tell her not to be a > stranger. I've been on the list > 10 years. Your experience is exactly > my > experience. I make a living creating Access databases. The list has > saved > my bacon countless times. Last week I think was the most recent. We've > got > your back. From tewald at wowway.com Sat Jul 25 15:43:53 2009 From: tewald at wowway.com (Thomas Ewald) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:43:53 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Why no BOM on MSDN for Access? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F29ECD363F147C28B72E123D40418AB@desktop08> Microsoft includes a bill of material set of procedures in its AdventureWorks sample database for SQL Server (listed on msdn), and mentions Dynamics a lot, but lists nothing similar that I can find for Access at all. I have found a little about it here are there on the Web, but not much. May I ask the opinions of those on this list? Is Access inappropriate for a complex exploding bill of material application? Thanks. Tom Ewald Detroit Area From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jul 25 17:38:36 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:38:36 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Why no BOM on MSDN for Access? In-Reply-To: <2F29ECD363F147C28B72E123D40418AB@desktop08> References: <2F29ECD363F147C28B72E123D40418AB@desktop08> Message-ID: <0B36FE0925B9404FADD45C16D07B0EF1@HAL9005> Tom: E-Z-MRP (www.e-z-mrp.com) handles complex bills of material including phantom assemblies, up to ten levels. Reporting includes indented costed bills summary bills, and where-used, and a cost roll-up utility. The bill of materials database is the backbone of the MRP module which calculates production and procurement schedules based on the user's independent demands. The biggest e-z-mrp database I ever saw had about 20,000 part master records and about 70,000 product structure records. At the time the app was running on Access 97 and had 8 simultaneous users. The customer reported that response times were more than adequate, and they never had corruption problems. So I think that Access, and in particular, the Jet engine, is more than adequate to handle complex bills of material. Of course, the trick, as in any application, is structuring the data correctly with the output requirements in mind. HTH Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Ewald Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:44 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Why no BOM on MSDN for Access? Microsoft includes a bill of material set of procedures in its AdventureWorks sample database for SQL Server (listed on msdn), and mentions Dynamics a lot, but lists nothing similar that I can find for Access at all. I have found a little about it here are there on the Web, but not much. May I ask the opinions of those on this list? Is Access inappropriate for a complex exploding bill of material application? Thanks. Tom Ewald Detroit Area -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Sat Jul 25 18:08:13 2009 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:08:13 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Office Discount for US Students -The Ultimate Steal- Office 2007 Software for $59.95 In-Reply-To: <4A6A69CB.5060903@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6A69CB.5060903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <000601ca0d7c$c9429450$5bc7bcf0$@rr.com> While I have some issues with the Access 2007 development environment, I rather like the 2007 office suite. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:11 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Office Discount for US Students -The Ultimate Steal- Office 2007 Software for $59.95 LOL, if you are interested in a cheap price for a rather barbaric collection of trash. And 2007 at that. But a good price none the less. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com jwcolby wrote: > Rather a good deal for anyone eligible. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-us/default.aspx -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 03:31:41 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:31:41 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Office Discount for US Students -The Ultimate Steal- Office 2007 Software for $59.95 In-Reply-To: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a6c146e.0508d00a.62de.570c@mx.google.com> Here is a similar one for the (US) Military http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-us/default.aspx Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 25 July 2009 02:43 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Office Discount for US Students -The Ultimate Steal- Office 2007 Software for $59.95 Rather a good deal for anyone eligible. http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-us/default.aspx -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jul 26 06:44:44 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:44:44 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Office Discount for US Students -The Ultimate Steal- Office 2007 Software for $59.95 In-Reply-To: <000601ca0d7c$c9429450$5bc7bcf0$@rr.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6A69CB.5060903@colbyconsulting.com> <000601ca0d7c$c9429450$5bc7bcf0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4A6C41AC.2030508@colbyconsulting.com> My tongue was planted firmly in cheek. Office has its fair share of wierdnesses, but it is also an amazingly capable product. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Bobby Heid wrote: > While I have some issues with the Access 2007 development environment, I > rather like the 2007 office suite. > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:11 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Office Discount for US Students -The > Ultimate Steal- Office 2007 Software for $59.95 > > LOL, if you are interested in a cheap price for a rather barbaric collection > of trash. And 2007 at > that. But a good price none the less. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > jwcolby wrote: >> Rather a good deal for anyone eligible. >> >> >> > http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-us/default.aspx From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 07:34:40 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:34:40 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Database humour In-Reply-To: <4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> <4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a6c4d62.0a1ad00a.0cb8.fffff4e5@mx.google.com> http://highscalability.com/nsfw-hilarious-fault-tolerance-cartoon Max From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 08:07:00 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:07:00 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 In-Reply-To: <4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> <4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com> Hi List, I have Office 2007 installed on laptop. I would like to keep it and ALSO put office 2003 on at the same time. IS this possible? IF not, can I at least get Access 2003 on it. I do not want to remove Office 2007. Thanks for any quick pointers. Max From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 26 08:29:25 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:29:25 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 In-Reply-To: <4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork><4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3AE4DD20FFB443F7BE8DF92B134C2EF8@HAL9005> The experiences I've read on the list indicate that there is no problem running different versions of office on the same machine. When it asks where to install it, install to a different folder than the previously installed version(s). I've run 2 and three versions of office on the same box. However, I've also read that you should install them earliest to latest. Not sure why - dll conflicts I think. So If it doesn't work, I'd uninstall both, and reinstall 2003 first then 2007. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:07 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 Hi List, I have Office 2007 installed on laptop. I would like to keep it and ALSO put office 2003 on at the same time. IS this possible? IF not, can I at least get Access 2003 on it. I do not want to remove Office 2007. Thanks for any quick pointers. Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Sun Jul 26 08:52:56 2009 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:52:56 +0200 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork><4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com><4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com> <3AE4DD20FFB443F7BE8DF92B134C2EF8@HAL9005> Message-ID: <253136259F594105A126E9C710E008FD@s1800> or put 2003 in a virtual pc? Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 > The experiences I've read on the list indicate that there is no problem > running different versions of office on the same machine. When it asks > where to install it, install to a different folder than the previously > installed version(s). I've run 2 and three versions of office on the same > box. > > However, I've also read that you should install them earliest to latest. > Not sure why - dll conflicts I think. So If it doesn't work, I'd > uninstall > both, and reinstall 2003 first then 2007. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:07 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 > > Hi List, > I have Office 2007 installed on laptop. > I would like to keep it and ALSO put office 2003 on at the same time. > IS this possible? > IF not, can I at least get Access 2003 on it. > I do not want to remove Office 2007. > > Thanks for any quick pointers. > > Max > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Sun Jul 26 09:10:56 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:10:56 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Why no BOM on MSDN for Access? In-Reply-To: <2F29ECD363F147C28B72E123D40418AB@desktop08> References: <2F29ECD363F147C28B72E123D40418AB@desktop08> Message-ID: Tom, Access with either a JET/ACE or SQL Server data store is more then adequate for doing complex BOM assemblies. I have 3 BOM samples here; two are SQL based and one VBA code. The last was used as the basis for a short article written by Miriam Bizup on Experts-Exchange.com. The article is going through some finial editing at the moment and hasn't been published yet, but I can forward a copy off-line as well as the BOM samples. The code in her article is slightly different then mine as it's something she wrote based on the VBA solution I gave her about 3-4 years ago, but in general the logic is the same. Below I've pasted in the VBA code for the routine (the sample has the tables and some data and is workable). Note that it uses a goto and a gosub within the procedure in order to avoid a recursive call (Miriam's code uses a recursive call, which is why it's slightly different). I did this on purpose as the code was a port from another language 15 years ago and back then it was always a good idea to avoid filling up the stack as much as possible. Jim. Public Function ExplodeBOM(strPartID As String, dblQuantity As Double) As Integer Dim dbCur As Database Dim rstParts As Recordset Dim rstBOM As Recordset Dim rstExploded As Recordset Dim lngDisplayOrder As Long Dim intCurLevel As Integer Dim strParts(255) As String Dim lngCurLine(255) As Long Dim dblQPA(255) As Double Dim dblQtyRequired As Double Dim dblHoldQPA As Double Dim intJ As Integer Set dbCur = CurrentDb() Set rstParts = dbCur.OpenRecordset("tblPartMaster", dbOpenTable) rstParts.Index = "PrimaryKey" Set rstBOM = dbCur.OpenRecordset("tblBOM", dbOpenTable) rstBOM.Index = "PrimaryKey" Set rstExploded = dbCur.OpenRecordset("tblBOMExploded") ExplodeBOM = False ' First clear BOM explosion table. On Error GoTo ExplodeBOM_ErrDelete dbCur.Execute "DELETE * FROM tblBOMExploded", dbFailOnError On Error GoTo 0 ' Find part in part master rstParts.Seek "=", strPartID If rstParts.NoMatch Then MsgBox "Part: " & strPartID & " cannot be found. " GoTo ExplodeBOM_Leave End If ' Find top level assembly, first line rstBOM.Seek "=", strPartID, 1 If rstBOM.NoMatch Then MsgBox "Part: " & strPartID & " is not an assembly. " GoTo ExplodeBOM_Leave End If ' Initialize for top level intCurLevel = 1 Erase strParts() Erase lngCurLine() Erase dblQPA() lngDisplayOrder = 0 strParts(intCurLevel) = strPartID lngCurLine(intCurLevel) = 0 dblQPA(intCurLevel) = dblQuantity ' Level loop ' Get next line from BOM. ExplodeBOM_GetNextLine: lngCurLine(intCurLevel) = lngCurLine(intCurLevel) + 1 rstBOM.Seek "=", strParts(intCurLevel), lngCurLine(intCurLevel) If rstBOM.NoMatch Then ' Go up one level If intCurLevel = 1 Then ExplodeBOM = True GoTo ExplodeBOM_Leave Else intCurLevel = intCurLevel - 1 GoTo ExplodeBOM_GetNextLine End If Else ' Have another line. Is there a BOM for it? GoSub ExplodeBOM_WriteLine dblHoldQPA = rstBOM![QPA] rstBOM.Seek "=", rstBOM![PartID], 1 If rstBOM.NoMatch Then ' Raw material or purchased componet GoTo ExplodeBOM_GetNextLine Else ' Have another assembly. Drop a Level intCurLevel = intCurLevel + 1 If intCurLevel > 20 Then MsgBox "Explosion greater then 20 levels - Circular reference" GoTo ExplodeBOM_Leave Else strParts(intCurLevel) = rstBOM![AssemblyID] lngCurLine(intCurLevel) = 0 dblQPA(intCurLevel) = dblHoldQPA GoTo ExplodeBOM_GetNextLine End If End If End If ExplodeBOM_Leave: If Not rstExploded Is Nothing Then rstExploded.Close Set rstExploded = Nothing End If If Not rstParts Is Nothing Then rstParts.Close Set rstParts = Nothing End If If Not rstBOM Is Nothing Then rstBOM.Close Set rstBOM = Nothing End If If Not dbCur Is Nothing Then Set dbCur = Nothing End If Exit Function ExplodeBOM_CalQTYReq: dblQtyRequired = 1 For intJ = 1 To intCurLevel: dblQtyRequired = dblQtyRequired * dblQPA(intJ): Next intJ dblQtyRequired = dblQtyRequired * rstBOM![QPA] Return ExplodeBOM_WriteLine: GoSub ExplodeBOM_CalQTYReq lngDisplayOrder = lngDisplayOrder + 1 rstExploded.AddNew rstExploded![DisplayOrder] = lngDisplayOrder rstExploded![Level] = intCurLevel rstExploded![Sequence] = lngCurLine(intCurLevel) rstExploded![PartID] = rstBOM![PartID] rstExploded![QtyRequired] = dblQtyRequired rstExploded.Update Return ExplodeBOM_ErrDelete: MsgBox "Could not clear BOM Exploded table" Resume ExplodeBOM_Leave End Function -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Ewald Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 4:44 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Why no BOM on MSDN for Access? Microsoft includes a bill of material set of procedures in its AdventureWorks sample database for SQL Server (listed on msdn), and mentions Dynamics a lot, but lists nothing similar that I can find for Access at all. I have found a little about it here are there on the Web, but not much. May I ask the opinions of those on this list? Is Access inappropriate for a complex exploding bill of material application? Thanks. Tom Ewald Detroit Area -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Sun Jul 26 10:00:34 2009 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:00:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 In-Reply-To: <3AE4DD20FFB443F7BE8DF92B134C2EF8@HAL9005> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork><4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com> <3AE4DD20FFB443F7BE8DF92B134C2EF8@HAL9005> Message-ID: <000f01ca0e01$d3e81940$7bb84bc0$@rr.com> I did have issues with Access 2003 and Access 2007 so I uninstalled 2003. While I had no issues with mixing earlier versions. As another poster talked about, I just put 97 and 2003 into a VM for when I need to use those versions. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:29 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 The experiences I've read on the list indicate that there is no problem running different versions of office on the same machine. When it asks where to install it, install to a different folder than the previously installed version(s). I've run 2 and three versions of office on the same box. However, I've also read that you should install them earliest to latest. Not sure why - dll conflicts I think. So If it doesn't work, I'd uninstall both, and reinstall 2003 first then 2007. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:07 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 Hi List, I have Office 2007 installed on laptop. I would like to keep it and ALSO put office 2003 on at the same time. IS this possible? IF not, can I at least get Access 2003 on it. I do not want to remove Office 2007. Thanks for any quick pointers. Max From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 10:03:12 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:03:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork><4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <48984AF137A54EB3A34C67B254DAF38A@SusanOne> Oh my God... DO NOT DO IT!!!!!!! ;) Seriously -- I just uninstalled 2007 after struggling for a year with that stupid install. I use 2003 mostly. I open 2007 only to check instructions for tips and articles. When I open a 2007 application after using 2003, Windows goes through a horrendous installment -- it can take several minutes. Cancelling has no affect. Then, when I go back to 2003 after checking the instructions -- it does it again! I hated it. I uninstalled 2007 and I'll have to put it on another system. It's a mess and I've yet to find a solution. Susan H. > Hi List, > I have Office 2007 installed on laptop. > I would like to keep it and ALSO put office 2003 on at the same time. > IS this possible? > IF not, can I at least get Access 2003 on it. > I do not want to remove Office 2007. > > Thanks for any quick pointers. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 10:43:28 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:43:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 In-Reply-To: <48984AF137A54EB3A34C67B254DAF38A@SusanOne> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork> <4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com> <48984AF137A54EB3A34C67B254DAF38A@SusanOne> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907260843m12b43256qd8c0f6eeb06c48b@mail.gmail.com> Susan, As pointed out by others in this thread, the sure-fire solution is using a virtual machine. My choice happens to be Sun's VirtualBox, just because I wanted to do some Ruby On Rails coding. Lately I run VirtualBox on both my 64-bit dual Athlon and on my Lenovo notebook. Both machines have 3 GB of RAM and it works splendidly. So I have a VM on both boxes that is dedicated to O2K7 and another dedicated to O2K3. For my needs, it's the perfect solution. Arthur From dwaters at usinternet.com Sun Jul 26 11:19:04 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:19:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907260843m12b43256qd8c0f6eeb06c48b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork><4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com><4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com><48984AF137A54EB3A34C67B254DAF38A@SusanOne> <29f585dd0907260843m12b43256qd8c0f6eeb06c48b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Arthur, I'm going to be doing the same thing soon with Office 2003/2007. For each PC, do you need to set up another OS within the partition? Can you use the same one? Does VirtualBox have a method to create the partition without having to reformat your existing C Drive? Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 10:43 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 Susan, As pointed out by others in this thread, the sure-fire solution is using a virtual machine. My choice happens to be Sun's VirtualBox, just because I wanted to do some Ruby On Rails coding. Lately I run VirtualBox on both my 64-bit dual Athlon and on my Lenovo notebook. Both machines have 3 GB of RAM and it works splendidly. So I have a VM on both boxes that is dedicated to O2K7 and another dedicated to O2K3. For my needs, it's the perfect solution. Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jul 26 12:21:13 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:21:13 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 In-Reply-To: <4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>, <4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com>, <4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A6C9089.11023.139EE343@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> If you have a decent amount of RAM, instal VirtualBox and set up a separate machine with 2003. -- Stuart On 26 Jul 2009 at 14:07, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Hi List, > I have Office 2007 installed on laptop. > I would like to keep it and ALSO put office 2003 on at the same time. > IS this possible? > IF not, can I at least get Access 2003 on it. > I do not want to remove Office 2007. > > Thanks for any quick pointers. > > Max > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jul 26 12:39:14 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:39:14 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>, <29f585dd0907260843m12b43256qd8c0f6eeb06c48b@mail.gmail.com>, Message-ID: <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Each Virtual Machine consists of two components - A folder containing a collection of which make up the machine itself. A large file with as .vdi extension which is a virtual disk ( can be more thanoone if you want to set up multiple disks on the machine). You don't touch your partitions or instal additional OSs on the parent system. The steps to creating a VM once you have installed VirtualBox are ( all wizard driven): 1. Create the machine after specifying a few parameters 2. Specify the desired size of the virtual disk and create it. 3. Insert an OS instal disk in your CD Drive or select an ISO image of one on your PC 4. Instal the OS on the Virtual Disk Voila! -- Stuart On 26 Jul 2009 at 11:19, Dan Waters wrote: ... > > For each PC, do you need to set up another OS within the partition? Can you > use the same one? Does VirtualBox have a method to create the partition > without having to reformat your existing C Drive? > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 10:43 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 > > Susan, > > As pointed out by others in this thread, the sure-fire solution is using a > virtual machine. My choice happens to be Sun's VirtualBox, just because I > wanted to do some Ruby On Rails coding. > From dwaters at usinternet.com Sun Jul 26 12:48:23 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:48:23 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) In-Reply-To: <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>, <29f585dd0907260843m12b43256qd8c0f6eeb06c48b@mail.gmail.com>, <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Thanks Stuart - sounds pretty easy! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 12:39 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) Each Virtual Machine consists of two components - A folder containing a collection of which make up the machine itself. A large file with as .vdi extension which is a virtual disk ( can be more thanoone if you want to set up multiple disks on the machine). You don't touch your partitions or instal additional OSs on the parent system. The steps to creating a VM once you have installed VirtualBox are ( all wizard driven): 1. Create the machine after specifying a few parameters 2. Specify the desired size of the virtual disk and create it. 3. Insert an OS instal disk in your CD Drive or select an ISO image of one on your PC 4. Instal the OS on the Virtual Disk Voila! -- Stuart On 26 Jul 2009 at 11:19, Dan Waters wrote: ... > > For each PC, do you need to set up another OS within the partition? Can you > use the same one? Does VirtualBox have a method to create the partition > without having to reformat your existing C Drive? > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 10:43 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 > > Susan, > > As pointed out by others in this thread, the sure-fire solution is using a > virtual machine. My choice happens to be Sun's VirtualBox, just because I > wanted to do some Ruby On Rails coding. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 14:18:03 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:18:03 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) In-Reply-To: <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>, <29f585dd0907260843m12b43256qd8c0f6eeb06c48b@mail.gmail.com>, <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> Thanks Guys, Now, given that I will try the VM route to save having the problems that Susan mentions. Which VM? Sun MS The other ?? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 26 July 2009 18:39 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) Each Virtual Machine consists of two components - A folder containing a collection of which make up the machine itself. A large file with as .vdi extension which is a virtual disk ( can be more thanoone if you want to set up multiple disks on the machine). You don't touch your partitions or instal additional OSs on the parent system. The steps to creating a VM once you have installed VirtualBox are ( all wizard driven): 1. Create the machine after specifying a few parameters 2. Specify the desired size of the virtual disk and create it. 3. Insert an OS instal disk in your CD Drive or select an ISO image of one on your PC 4. Instal the OS on the Virtual Disk Voila! -- Stuart On 26 Jul 2009 at 11:19, Dan Waters wrote: ... > > For each PC, do you need to set up another OS within the partition? Can you > use the same one? Does VirtualBox have a method to create the partition > without having to reformat your existing C Drive? > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 10:43 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 > > Susan, > > As pointed out by others in this thread, the sure-fire solution is using a > virtual machine. My choice happens to be Sun's VirtualBox, just because I > wanted to do some Ruby On Rails coding. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Sun Jul 26 14:22:43 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:22:43 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 In-Reply-To: <48984AF137A54EB3A34C67B254DAF38A@SusanOne> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork><4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com><4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com> <48984AF137A54EB3A34C67B254DAF38A@SusanOne> Message-ID: <17BA0032B767433BAC57B0ACB990E311@stevePC> Susan, -------------------------------------------------- From: "Susan Harkins" Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:03 AM > .... When I open a 2007 application after using 2003, > Windows goes through a horrendous installment -- it can take several > minutes. Cancelling has no affect. Then, when I go back to 2003 after > checking the instructions -- it does it again! While this is highly annoying, it is expected behaviour, and there is no way around it. However, installing the Office 2007 SPs should have reduced the time taken by the reconfiguration process to just a few seconds. Regards Steve From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 14:35:55 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:35:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork><4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com><4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com><48984AF137A54EB3A34C67B254DAF38A@SusanOne> <17BA0032B767433BAC57B0ACB990E311@stevePC> Message-ID: <6D75B1127C284F758C3780BDEF730DAD@SusanOne> > > While this is highly annoying, it is expected behaviour, and there is no > way > around it. However, installing the Office 2007 SPs should have reduced > the > time taken by the reconfiguration process to just a few seconds. =====Why is it expected? I've never had this happen before with earlier versions. I've had had at least two versions, and sometimes three on my system at any given time. This has never happened before. It it did, it was so short that I didn't even notice it. Or, I'm just getting old. :) I install all sp's as they're released. All I can tell you is that a few weeks ago it went from bad to worse -- it was taking several minutes, so I just uninstalled 2007. I'll have to install it on a different system. Susan H. From miscellany at mvps.org Sun Jul 26 15:13:04 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:13:04 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 In-Reply-To: <6D75B1127C284F758C3780BDEF730DAD@SusanOne> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork><4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com><4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com><48984AF137A54EB3A34C67B254DAF38A@SusanOne><17BA0032B767433BAC57B0ACB990E311@stevePC> <6D75B1127C284F758C3780BDEF730DAD@SusanOne> Message-ID: <8735F520239D419DA7F3817A0D576C31@stevePC> Hi Susan, By "expected", I meant it was acknowledged and explained by Microsoft on the release of Access 2007. In some circles it quickly became known as "the coffee break". I do not know the technical details - something about the versions using some of the same components, and so registry edits needing to be made depending on the current version being loaded. I knew you would have installed the SPs, so that's why I was surprised to hear you say that it had got worse. However, I just tried it a couple of times on my computer. 2003 => 2007 42 seconds 2007 => 2003 14 seconds 2003 => 2007 37 seconds 2007 => 2003 12 seconds ... which is longer than I thought - so I must have become accustomed to it! Anyway, I agree that it's a pain! Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Susan Harkins" Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 7:35 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 > =====Why is it expected? I've never had this happen before with earlier > versions. I've had had at least two versions, and sometimes three on my > system at any given time. This has never happened before. It it did, it > was > so short that I didn't even notice it. Or, I'm just getting old. :) > > I install all sp's as they're released. All I can tell you is that a few > weeks ago it went from bad to worse -- it was taking several minutes, so I > just uninstalled 2007. I'll have to install it on a different system. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jul 26 16:30:18 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:30:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>, <29f585dd0907260843m12b43256qd8c0f6eeb06c48b@mail.gmail.com>, <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A6CCAEA.3090009@colbyconsulting.com> I use VMWare and am neutral on recommending it. It works well, is easy to set up. My biggest issue was a huge problem getting the VMs to attach to the physical NIC when using Hamachi. For whatever reason the host software (which controls the NIC bindings) gravitate towards the Hamachi NICS. It is a not well known phenomenon which took me ages to figure out. Other than that, I use them still and recommend VMs in general. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Thanks Guys, > Now, given that I will try the VM route to save having the problems that > Susan mentions. > > Which VM? > Sun > MS > The other > > ?? > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 26 July 2009 18:39 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) > > Each Virtual Machine consists of two components - > > A folder containing a collection of which make up the machine itself. > A large file with as .vdi extension which is a virtual disk ( can be more > thanoone if you want > to set up multiple disks on the machine). > > You don't touch your partitions or instal additional OSs on the parent > system. > > > The steps to creating a VM once you have installed VirtualBox are ( all > wizard driven): > > 1. Create the machine after specifying a few parameters > 2. Specify the desired size of the virtual disk and create it. > 3. Insert an OS instal disk in your CD Drive or select an ISO image of one > on your PC > 4. Instal the OS on the Virtual Disk > > Voila! > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jul 26 16:34:28 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:34:28 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 In-Reply-To: <8735F520239D419DA7F3817A0D576C31@stevePC> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork><4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com><4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com><48984AF137A54EB3A34C67B254DAF38A@SusanOne><17BA0032B767433BAC57B0ACB990E311@stevePC> <6D75B1127C284F758C3780BDEF730DAD@SusanOne> <8735F520239D419DA7F3817A0D576C31@stevePC> Message-ID: <4A6CCBE4.3030101@colbyconsulting.com> I think it is Microsoft's way of acknowledging the relative worth of the system... > 2003 => 2007 42 seconds Noooo... don't do it, it sucks... > 2007 => 2003 14 seconds Ahhhh.... they have come to their senses... > 2003 => 2007 37 seconds No, noooooooo.... don't do it, it sucks... > 2007 => 2003 12 seconds Ahhhh.... they have come to their senses again. ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Steve Schapel wrote: > Hi Susan, > > By "expected", I meant it was acknowledged and explained by Microsoft on the > release of Access 2007. In some circles it quickly became known as "the > coffee break". I do not know the technical details - something about the > versions using some of the same components, and so registry edits needing to > be made depending on the current version being loaded. > > I knew you would have installed the SPs, so that's why I was surprised to > hear you say that it had got worse. > > However, I just tried it a couple of times on my computer. > 2003 => 2007 42 seconds > 2007 => 2003 14 seconds > 2003 => 2007 37 seconds > 2007 => 2003 12 seconds > > ... which is longer than I thought - so I must have become accustomed to it! > > Anyway, I agree that it's a pain! > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Susan Harkins" > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 7:35 AM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 > >> =====Why is it expected? I've never had this happen before with earlier >> versions. I've had had at least two versions, and sometimes three on my >> system at any given time. This has never happened before. It it did, it >> was >> so short that I didn't even notice it. Or, I'm just getting old. :) >> >> I install all sp's as they're released. All I can tell you is that a few >> weeks ago it went from bad to worse -- it was taking several minutes, so I >> just uninstalled 2007. I'll have to install it on a different system. > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jul 26 16:42:43 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:42:43 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) In-Reply-To: <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>, <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Personally I favour Sun VirtualBox. -- Stuart On 26 Jul 2009 at 20:18, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Thanks Guys, > Now, given that I will try the VM route to save having the problems that > Susan mentions. > > Which VM? > Sun > MS > The other > > ?? > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 26 July 2009 18:39 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) > > Each Virtual Machine consists of two components - > > A folder containing a collection of which make up the machine itself. > A large file with as .vdi extension which is a virtual disk ( can be more > thanoone if you want > to set up multiple disks on the machine). > > You don't touch your partitions or instal additional OSs on the parent > system. > > > The steps to creating a VM once you have installed VirtualBox are ( all > wizard driven): > > 1. Create the machine after specifying a few parameters > 2. Specify the desired size of the virtual disk and create it. > 3. Insert an OS instal disk in your CD Drive or select an ISO image of one > on your PC > 4. Instal the OS on the Virtual Disk > > Voila! > > -- > Stuart > > On 26 Jul 2009 at 11:19, Dan Waters wrote: > ... > > > > For each PC, do you need to set up another OS within the partition? Can > you > > use the same one? Does VirtualBox have a method to create the partition > > without having to reformat your existing C Drive? > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 10:43 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 > > > > Susan, > > > > As pointed out by others in this thread, the sure-fire solution is using a > > virtual machine. My choice happens to be Sun's VirtualBox, just because I > > wanted to do some Ruby On Rails coding. > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jul 26 16:42:43 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:42:43 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 In-Reply-To: <4A6CCBE4.3030101@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>, <8735F520239D419DA7F3817A0D576C31@stevePC>, <4A6CCBE4.3030101@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A6CCDD3.25272.148E4CA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> ROTFLMAO! -- Stuart On 26 Jul 2009 at 17:34, jwcolby wrote: > I think it is Microsoft's way of acknowledging the relative worth of the system... > > > 2003 => 2007 42 seconds > > Noooo... don't do it, it sucks... > > > 2007 => 2003 14 seconds > > Ahhhh.... they have come to their senses... > > > 2003 => 2007 37 seconds > > No, noooooooo.... don't do it, it sucks... > > > 2007 => 2003 12 seconds > > Ahhhh.... they have come to their senses again. > > ;) > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Steve Schapel wrote: > > Hi Susan, > > > > By "expected", I meant it was acknowledged and explained by Microsoft on the > > release of Access 2007. In some circles it quickly became known as "the > > coffee break". I do not know the technical details - something about the > > versions using some of the same components, and so registry edits needing to > > be made depending on the current version being loaded. > > > > I knew you would have installed the SPs, so that's why I was surprised to > > hear you say that it had got worse. > > > > However, I just tried it a couple of times on my computer. > > 2003 => 2007 42 seconds > > 2007 => 2003 14 seconds > > 2003 => 2007 37 seconds > > 2007 => 2003 12 seconds > > > > ... which is longer than I thought - so I must have become accustomed to it! > > > > Anyway, I agree that it's a pain! > > > > Regards > > Steve > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Susan Harkins" > > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 7:35 AM > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 > > > >> =====Why is it expected? I've never had this happen before with earlier > >> versions. I've had had at least two versions, and sometimes three on my > >> system at any given time. This has never happened before. It it did, it > >> was > >> so short that I didn't even notice it. Or, I'm just getting old. :) > >> > >> I install all sp's as they're released. All I can tell you is that a few > >> weeks ago it went from bad to worse -- it was taking several minutes, so I > >> just uninstalled 2007. I'll have to install it on a different system. > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 16:47:17 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:47:17 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 In-Reply-To: <4A6CCBE4.3030101@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork><4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com><4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com><48984AF137A54EB3A34C67B254DAF38A@SusanOne><17BA0032B767433BAC57B0ACB990E311@stevePC> <6D75B1127C284F758C3780BDEF730DAD@SusanOne> <8735F520239D419DA7F3817A0D576C31@stevePC> <4A6CCBE4.3030101@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a6ccee7.0a04d00a.30c9.ffffbc71@mx.google.com> Ha very good... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 26 July 2009 22:34 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 I think it is Microsoft's way of acknowledging the relative worth of the system... > 2003 => 2007 42 seconds Noooo... don't do it, it sucks... > 2007 => 2003 14 seconds Ahhhh.... they have come to their senses... > 2003 => 2007 37 seconds No, noooooooo.... don't do it, it sucks... > 2007 => 2003 12 seconds Ahhhh.... they have come to their senses again. ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Steve Schapel wrote: > Hi Susan, > > By "expected", I meant it was acknowledged and explained by Microsoft on the > release of Access 2007. In some circles it quickly became known as "the > coffee break". I do not know the technical details - something about the > versions using some of the same components, and so registry edits needing to > be made depending on the current version being loaded. > > I knew you would have installed the SPs, so that's why I was surprised to > hear you say that it had got worse. > > However, I just tried it a couple of times on my computer. > 2003 => 2007 42 seconds > 2007 => 2003 14 seconds > 2003 => 2007 37 seconds > 2007 => 2003 12 seconds > > ... which is longer than I thought - so I must have become accustomed to it! > > Anyway, I agree that it's a pain! > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Susan Harkins" > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 7:35 AM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 > >> =====Why is it expected? I've never had this happen before with earlier >> versions. I've had had at least two versions, and sometimes three on my >> system at any given time. This has never happened before. It it did, it >> was >> so short that I didn't even notice it. Or, I'm just getting old. :) >> >> I install all sp's as they're released. All I can tell you is that a few >> weeks ago it went from bad to worse -- it was taking several minutes, so I >> just uninstalled 2007. I'll have to install it on a different system. > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Sun Jul 26 17:12:47 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:12:47 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 In-Reply-To: <4A6CCBE4.3030101@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork><4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com><4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com><48984AF137A54EB3A34C67B254DAF38A@SusanOne><17BA0032B767433BAC57B0ACB990E311@stevePC> <6D75B1127C284F758C3780BDEF730DAD@SusanOne><8735F520239D419DA7F3817A0D576C31@stevePC> <4A6CCBE4.3030101@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <9F864656112742EBB85E7B2357BC7E79@stevePC> LOL. Oh, I thought it was based on the old proverb: "Good things come to him who waits". Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "jwcolby" Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:34 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 > I think it is Microsoft's way of acknowledging the relative worth of the > system... > > > 2003 => 2007 42 seconds > > Noooo... don't do it, it sucks... > > > 2007 => 2003 14 seconds > > Ahhhh.... they have come to their senses... > > > 2003 => 2007 37 seconds > > No, noooooooo.... don't do it, it sucks... > > > 2007 => 2003 12 seconds > > Ahhhh.... they have come to their senses again. > From erbachs at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 17:39:55 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:39:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Simple web project In-Reply-To: <4A68504C.3030309@colbyconsulting.com> References: <002b01ca0a28$d451f130$7cf5d390$@spb.ru> <1B6FE550BFA84B93987EF3BF91940CA1@Mattys> <4A671E51.1020303@colbyconsulting.com> <39cb22f30907221331q3e25367cq40723e3c01962159@mail.gmail.com> <4A68504C.3030309@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30907261539t7ac46dc4uede3660de28eca33@mail.gmail.com> John, Sorry for the delay in replying...quite a bit of family activity these past few days. I have not set up a website that looks like Mary.ColbyConsulting.com...I have only used the usual capability of buying a new domain name and then using DNN to handle the redirecting to a sub-portal on my site. That is, in the Host account for my DNN site, if I look at any of the portals I've created, they all have standard www.domainname.com names. They're all "parent" portals, too. The "normal" DNN way of setting up subwebs/sub-portals is to create a "child" portal using the Host super user DNN account. Once you've selected "child" you simply type the alias as www.ColbyConsulting.com/Mary. There a few other things to fill in, but that's the gist of it. I think that if you want to use the Mary.ColbyConsulting.com nomenclature, you have to first fiddle with your domain settings. My understanding is that that sort of URL indicates a separate server in the domain, n'est-ce pas? It's simpler to use the /Mary style of subweb. Does this help at all? Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:58 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Steve, > > Could you help me do this? > > Have you ever used the subdomain thing where you use DNN to set up a web > page but it is just a > subdomain of your own domain? Like Mary.ColbyConsulting.com or > Family.ColbyConsulting.com. If you > type in www.family.colbyconsulting.com DNN directs you to that subdomain > page which can be an entire > web site just like your purchased domain names are. > > I know this whole DNN subdomain thing is just built-in but I have never > done it. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Steve Erbach wrote: > > John, > > > > Have you considered using your existing DNN installation? I've set up > few > > sub-webs with the help of DNN. I simply purchased the domain names and > DNN > > handles the re-routing to subdirectories in the DNN tree. > > > > For example, TheTownCrank.com, NeenahPolitics.com, TheGodfatherOfLaw.com, > > and OTIReunion.com are all subwebs under my main swerbach.com domain. > > > > That said, you can certainly add new tables to the SQL Server back-end > that > > DNN is using. I do believe that you could write a DNN module or three to > > handle this PTA stuff and all the DNN security would be built-in. > > > > Steve Erbach > > Neenah, WI > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:12 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > > >> I need some advice. My wife is on the PTA. She (I as her husband) was > >> tasked with a simple > >> database for tracking volunteer work for the PTA. They have to track > (they > >> get "credit" for) hours > >> that volunteers put in. > From erbachs at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 17:46:45 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:46:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0907221439m287891a9w23d8ea8eaad37925@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30907221318g2862cbeoca29480f8b353c0e@mail.gmail.com> <4dd71a0c0907221439m287891a9w23d8ea8eaad37925@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30907261546ja61d78oa74832c7c243bcf7@mail.gmail.com> Doug, >> This is air code, but hopefully you get the drift. << Yes, I do! I've used that sort of dodge in the past, too. I think that A.D. has got more of what I'm looking for. Thank you. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Doug Steele wrote: > What I've done in this situation is to build an input query which makes one > value field combining the multiple values I want; then a crosstab query > selecting the First of my combined field. The crosstab feeds into the > report, and the report 'decodes' the values. > > For instance, if you want a cost of $1.00 and a count of 25 to be shown, > then the initial query builds a field as follows: > > (Assuming that the count will never be more than 1000): > > myNewField = cost * 10000 + count > > This results in 10025 in the 'myNewField' column. > > The report parses this into two text boxes: > txCost = ccur(int(myNewField/10000)) > txCount = myNewField mod 10000 > > This is air code, but hopefully you get the drift. > > Doug Steele > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Steve Erbach wrote: > > > Dear Group, > > > > I need to create a report in the form of a crosstab with 12 monthly > > columns. The Crosstab query capability only allows one numeric value to > be > > summarized per column...but the client would like to see three values > > underneath each month's heading. > > > > I thought that I'd construct a table for use by the report with > > de-normalized columns in clusters of three for Month1Quantity, > > Month1Calculation1, Month1Calculation2...Month2Quantity, > > Month2Calculation1, > > Month2Calculation2, etc. > From erbachs at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 17:51:08 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:51:08 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBF0@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <39cb22f30907221318g2862cbeoca29480f8b353c0e@mail.gmail.com> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADBF0@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <39cb22f30907261551y5d8f2c6eo7360b826de6f0961@mail.gmail.com> Darryl, Interesting approach. The report my client wants me to make is now done with Excel. So this would turn it all back over to Excel after having done the data entry in Access. Neat! My main concern with your suggestion is the report formatting. It isn't all a homogeneous mass of data. It needs to be grouped by at least one category with subtotals and grand totals. And then the report formatting to make it look like the other reports would be another issue. I have some facility with Excel (who doesn't?) but I'd like to stick with an all-Access solution. Thank you, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Darryl Collins wrote: > " My client needs rolling 12-month reports with the values broken out like > a spreadsheet" > > So why not use a spreadsheet and push (or pull) the data into an excel > pivot table. PT's are much more powerful than x-tabs in Access. You can > open Excel and create a PT directly linked into your query. > > Best of both worlds. I do this a lot. > > regards > Darryl. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2009 6:18 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question > > Dear Group, > > I need to create a report in the form of a crosstab with 12 monthly > columns. The Crosstab query capability only allows one numeric value to be > summarized per column...but the client would like to see three values > underneath each month's heading. > > I thought that I'd construct a table for use by the report with > de-normalized columns in clusters of three for Month1Quantity, > Month1Calculation1, Month1Calculation2...Month2Quantity, > Month2Calculation1, > Month2Calculation2, etc. > > From erbachs at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 18:10:36 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:10:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question In-Reply-To: <005e01ca0b97$cbe43ba0$ac5fa27a@personald6374f> References: <39cb22f30907221318g2862cbeoca29480f8b353c0e@mail.gmail.com> <005e01ca0b97$cbe43ba0$ac5fa27a@personald6374f> Message-ID: <39cb22f30907261610q2ee67bc0o8e46ffc4631addcb@mail.gmail.com> A. D., I'll have to peruse this a bit. I confess to a bit of confusion about the need for the Cartesian join. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:14 AM, A.D.Tejpal wrote: > Steve, > > The solution suggested in my earlier post was meant for normalized data > source. However, it appears from your post that you might wish to use > de-normalized data source, having three separate columns holding different > types of results for each month in question, there being one record per > month. This would require transporting the contents of each such column as > distinct value columns in the crosstab query, leading to 36 sub-columns for > twelve months. > > Conventional formulation of crosstab query would permit only one value > column per month. However, this limitation can be overcome by using a > Cartesian join with table T_Ref having a single field named RefNum (number > type), populated with numbers 1 to 3, thereby getting three value columns > per month. > > Sample crosstab query demonstrating this approach, is given below. > T_MyTable is the source table having fields RYear, RMonth, Result_1, > Result_2 and Result_3. > > Best wishes, > A.D. Tejpal > ------------ > > Sample crosstab query - De-normalized data source > (Transporting three columns of source table as value columns) > ========================================= > TRANSFORM > First(IIf([RefNum]=1,[Result_1],IIf([RefNum]=2,[Result_2],[Result_3]))) AS > Expr1 > SELECT T_MyTable.RYear > FROM T_MyTable, T_Ref > GROUP BY T_MyTable.RYear > PIVOT "M_" & Format([RMonth],"00") & "_" & [RefNum]; > ========================================= > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: A.D.Tejpal > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:10 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crosstab question > > > Steve, > > Apparently, you wish to display 3 columns per month for the twelve > months on the report. This translates to 36 columns in all. > > You can consider a simple crosstab query based upon your normal source > table, delivering 36 columns (3 columns per month). On the report, labels > depicting month names can be placed in such a manner that each such label > spans three columns pertaining to the given month. > > Sample crosstab query given below, demonstrates this approach. T_Data > is the source table having fields RYear, RMonth, Category and Result (all > number type). For each month in a given year, there will be three records > pertaining to the three categories respectively (i.e. 1, 2, 3) > > Best wishes, > A.D. Tejpal > ------------ > > Sample crosstab query > ========================================= > TRANSFORM First(T_Data.Result) AS FirstOfResult > SELECT T_Data.RYear > FROM T_Data > GROUP BY T_Data.RYear > PIVOT "M_" & Format([RMonth],"00") & "_" & [Category]; > ========================================= > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Erbach > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 01:48 > Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question > > > Dear Group, > > I need to create a report in the form of a crosstab with 12 monthly > columns. The Crosstab query capability only allows one numeric value to > be > summarized per column...but the client would like to see three values > underneath each month's heading. > > I thought that I'd construct a table for use by the report with > de-normalized columns in clusters of three for Month1Quantity, > Month1Calculation1, Month1Calculation2...Month2Quantity, > Month2Calculation1, > Month2Calculation2, etc. > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jul 26 19:16:51 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:16:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Simple web project In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30907261539t7ac46dc4uede3660de28eca33@mail.gmail.com> References: <002b01ca0a28$d451f130$7cf5d390$@spb.ru> <1B6FE550BFA84B93987EF3BF91940CA1@Mattys> <4A671E51.1020303@colbyconsulting.com> <39cb22f30907221331q3e25367cq40723e3c01962159@mail.gmail.com> <4A68504C.3030309@colbyconsulting.com> <39cb22f30907261539t7ac46dc4uede3660de28eca33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6CF1F3.70403@colbyconsulting.com> Steve, My understanding of the SomeName.SomeDomain.com is that DNN uses exactly the same process that it does when you use an actual domain. I will go figure it out. It looked easy enough and I seem to remember actually doing it years ago. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Steve Erbach wrote: > John, > Sorry for the delay in replying...quite a bit of family activity these past > few days. > > I have not set up a website that looks like Mary.ColbyConsulting.com...I > have only used the usual capability of buying a new domain name and then > using DNN to handle the redirecting to a sub-portal on my site. That is, in > the Host account for my DNN site, if I look at any of the portals I've > created, they all have standard www.domainname.com names. They're all > "parent" portals, too. > > The "normal" DNN way of setting up subwebs/sub-portals is to create a > "child" portal using the Host super user DNN account. Once you've selected > "child" you simply type the alias as www.ColbyConsulting.com/Mary. There a > few other things to fill in, but that's the gist of it. > > I think that if you want to use the Mary.ColbyConsulting.com nomenclature, > you have to first fiddle with your domain settings. My understanding is > that that sort of URL indicates a separate server in the domain, n'est-ce > pas? It's simpler to use the /Mary style of subweb. > > Does this help at all? > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:58 AM, jwcolby wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> Could you help me do this? >> >> Have you ever used the subdomain thing where you use DNN to set up a web >> page but it is just a >> subdomain of your own domain? Like Mary.ColbyConsulting.com or >> Family.ColbyConsulting.com. If you >> type in www.family.colbyconsulting.com DNN directs you to that subdomain >> page which can be an entire >> web site just like your purchased domain names are. >> >> I know this whole DNN subdomain thing is just built-in but I have never >> done it. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Steve Erbach wrote: >>> John, >>> >>> Have you considered using your existing DNN installation? I've set up >> few >>> sub-webs with the help of DNN. I simply purchased the domain names and >> DNN >>> handles the re-routing to subdirectories in the DNN tree. >>> >>> For example, TheTownCrank.com, NeenahPolitics.com, TheGodfatherOfLaw.com, >>> and OTIReunion.com are all subwebs under my main swerbach.com domain. >>> >>> That said, you can certainly add new tables to the SQL Server back-end >> that >>> DNN is using. I do believe that you could write a DNN module or three to >>> handle this PTA stuff and all the DNN security would be built-in. >>> >>> Steve Erbach >>> Neenah, WI >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:12 AM, jwcolby >> wrote: >>> >>>> I need some advice. My wife is on the PTA. She (I as her husband) was >>>> tasked with a simple >>>> database for tracking volunteer work for the PTA. They have to track >> (they >>>> get "credit" for) hours >>>> that volunteers put in. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jul 26 19:40:06 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:40:06 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Simple web project In-Reply-To: <4A6CF1F3.70403@colbyconsulting.com> References: , <39cb22f30907261539t7ac46dc4uede3660de28eca33@mail.gmail.com>, <4A6CF1F3.70403@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A6CF766.15602.1530B3F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It's really just a matter of pointing the subdomain's DNS record to the appropriate directory. It's possible that your web hosting company has the facility to set this up incorporated into a "control panel" applet - many of them do. If that is the case, it's just a matter of filling in the necessary details on an on-line form. -- Stuart On 26 Jul 2009 at 20:16, jwcolby wrote: > Steve, > > My understanding of the SomeName.SomeDomain.com is that DNN uses exactly the same process that it > does when you use an actual domain. I will go figure it out. It looked easy enough and I seem to > remember actually doing it years ago. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Steve Erbach wrote: > > John, > > Sorry for the delay in replying...quite a bit of family activity these past > > few days. > > > > I have not set up a website that looks like Mary.ColbyConsulting.com...I > > have only used the usual capability of buying a new domain name and then > > using DNN to handle the redirecting to a sub-portal on my site. That is, in > > the Host account for my DNN site, if I look at any of the portals I've > > created, they all have standard www.domainname.com names. They're all > > "parent" portals, too. > > > > The "normal" DNN way of setting up subwebs/sub-portals is to create a > > "child" portal using the Host super user DNN account. Once you've selected > > "child" you simply type the alias as www.ColbyConsulting.com/Mary. There a > > few other things to fill in, but that's the gist of it. > > > > I think that if you want to use the Mary.ColbyConsulting.com nomenclature, > > you have to first fiddle with your domain settings. My understanding is > > that that sort of URL indicates a separate server in the domain, n'est-ce > > pas? It's simpler to use the /Mary style of subweb. > > > > Does this help at all? > > > > Steve Erbach > > Neenah, WI > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:58 AM, jwcolby wrote: > > > >> Steve, > >> > >> Could you help me do this? > >> > >> Have you ever used the subdomain thing where you use DNN to set up a web > >> page but it is just a > >> subdomain of your own domain? Like Mary.ColbyConsulting.com or > >> Family.ColbyConsulting.com. If you > >> type in www.family.colbyconsulting.com DNN directs you to that subdomain > >> page which can be an entire > >> web site just like your purchased domain names are. > >> > >> I know this whole DNN subdomain thing is just built-in but I have never > >> done it. > >> > >> John W. Colby > >> www.ColbyConsulting.com > >> > >> > >> Steve Erbach wrote: > >>> John, > >>> > >>> Have you considered using your existing DNN installation? I've set up > >> few > >>> sub-webs with the help of DNN. I simply purchased the domain names and > >> DNN > >>> handles the re-routing to subdirectories in the DNN tree. > >>> > >>> For example, TheTownCrank.com, NeenahPolitics.com, TheGodfatherOfLaw.com, > >>> and OTIReunion.com are all subwebs under my main swerbach.com domain. > >>> > >>> That said, you can certainly add new tables to the SQL Server back-end > >> that > >>> DNN is using. I do believe that you could write a DNN module or three to > >>> handle this PTA stuff and all the DNN security would be built-in. > >>> > >>> Steve Erbach > >>> Neenah, WI > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:12 AM, jwcolby >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I need some advice. My wife is on the PTA. She (I as her husband) was > >>>> tasked with a simple > >>>> database for tracking volunteer work for the PTA. They have to track > >> (they > >>>> get "credit" for) hours > >>>> that volunteers put in. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Sun Jul 26 19:44:35 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:44:35 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <4A6A5E01.7030506@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com><20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> <4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com> <49EF7BC3AC2B44E6BFE8C573686E6735@AB> <4A6A5E01.7030506@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC12@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> I think a big part of the issue is Office was never originally an integrated product, rather a collection of software bundled up. It sort of grew into a suite of applications over time, but early on they were all totally separate apps each built with their own idiosyncrasies. That DNA is still lurking under the hood today. Even in VBA, Excel VBA is rather different than Access VBA to achieve the same thing. cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, 25 July 2009 11:21 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 Interesting. Shows how much I know about Excel. Office is a rather barbaric collection of trash if I do say so myself. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Asger Blond wrote: > In Access ctl-F6 will toggle windows in the current file (not windows from > any other file). > In Excel tl-F6 will toggle windows in all open Excel-files (not windows from > any other application). > If you want to toggle different spreadsheets within the same Excel workbook > you should use Ctl-PgDn or Ctl-PgUp, not Ctl-F6. > > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af jwcolby > Sendt: 24. juli 2009 21:44 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 > > If you hold down Ctl, tap F6, and release Ctl, you will toggle back to the > previous window. If you > hold down Ctl, tap F6, and tap it again, you will start to move through ALL > open windows. > > This behavior is at the least an Office behavior, IOW if you have 6 sheets > open in an excel workbook > then Ctl-F6-F6-F6 will move you through two other spreadsheets from the > current. > > Same idea in Word. > > Ctl-F6-release both will just take you back to the immediate previous > window. > > I am of course talking about windows INSIDE of the current Office > Application. Alt-Tab does a > similar thing but between open APPLICATIONS. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Susan Jones wrote: >> Ctrl+F6 might be what you're needing?? Not very convenient but still >> better than taking your hands off the keyboard completely. You would >> think it would be Ctrl+Tab like every other app ever created, but, >> nope, it just sits there. I struggled with how to move through the >> document tabs for almost a year before I finally found that Ctrl+F6 >> does what I'd been trying to do. Ended up creating a dummy db and >> just clicking through different combinations until I found it. > Aaaaahhhhh!!!!! >> Susan >> >> >> At 01:11 PM 7/24/09, you wrote: >>> Ok, so I was working on my Laptop last night with has O2K7. >>> >>> A lot of times when using access for developmental purposes need to > switch >>> between windows. >>> >>> Alt-W then choose the number of the window that I want. >>> >>> How the Hell does one accomplish this in A2007? Especially when view a >>> maximized report! >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 4162 (20090617) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. 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The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ From dwaters at usinternet.com Sun Jul 26 20:00:04 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:00:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC12@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com><20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com><4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com> <49EF7BC3AC2B44E6BFE8C573686E6735@AB><4A6A5E01.7030506@colbyconsulting.com> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC12@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <8643B986208D4413BB9A199BE81341D3@danwaters> That's true - Around 1988 I had a copy of PowerPoint before it was a MS product. It had a hardbound manual about 1/2" thick, and was only for the first small Mac's! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 7:45 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 I think a big part of the issue is Office was never originally an integrated product, rather a collection of software bundled up. It sort of grew into a suite of applications over time, but early on they were all totally separate apps each built with their own idiosyncrasies. That DNA is still lurking under the hood today. Even in VBA, Excel VBA is rather different than Access VBA to achieve the same thing. cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, 25 July 2009 11:21 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 Interesting. Shows how much I know about Excel. Office is a rather barbaric collection of trash if I do say so myself. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Asger Blond wrote: > In Access ctl-F6 will toggle windows in the current file (not windows from > any other file). > In Excel tl-F6 will toggle windows in all open Excel-files (not windows from > any other application). > If you want to toggle different spreadsheets within the same Excel workbook > you should use Ctl-PgDn or Ctl-PgUp, not Ctl-F6. > > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af jwcolby > Sendt: 24. juli 2009 21:44 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 > > If you hold down Ctl, tap F6, and release Ctl, you will toggle back to the > previous window. If you > hold down Ctl, tap F6, and tap it again, you will start to move through ALL > open windows. > > This behavior is at the least an Office behavior, IOW if you have 6 sheets > open in an excel workbook > then Ctl-F6-F6-F6 will move you through two other spreadsheets from the > current. > > Same idea in Word. > > Ctl-F6-release both will just take you back to the immediate previous > window. > > I am of course talking about windows INSIDE of the current Office > Application. Alt-Tab does a > similar thing but between open APPLICATIONS. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Susan Jones wrote: >> Ctrl+F6 might be what you're needing?? Not very convenient but still >> better than taking your hands off the keyboard completely. You would >> think it would be Ctrl+Tab like every other app ever created, but, >> nope, it just sits there. I struggled with how to move through the >> document tabs for almost a year before I finally found that Ctrl+F6 >> does what I'd been trying to do. Ended up creating a dummy db and >> just clicking through different combinations until I found it. > Aaaaahhhhh!!!!! >> Susan >> >> >> At 01:11 PM 7/24/09, you wrote: >>> Ok, so I was working on my Laptop last night with has O2K7. >>> >>> A lot of times when using access for developmental purposes need to > switch >>> between windows. >>> >>> Alt-W then choose the number of the window that I want. >>> >>> How the Hell does one accomplish this in A2007? Especially when view a >>> maximized report! >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 4162 (20090617) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. 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The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Sun Jul 26 20:18:25 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:18:25 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <8643B986208D4413BB9A199BE81341D3@danwaters> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com><20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com><4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com> <49EF7BC3AC2B44E6BFE8C573686E6735@AB><4A6A5E01.7030506@colbyconsulting.com> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC12@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <8643B986208D4413BB9A199BE81341D3@danwaters> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC14@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Ditto for MS Excel V1.0. That was released in 1985 and was a Mac only software App as well. It wasn't until XL 2.0 in 1987 that the windows version was released. cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Monday, 27 July 2009 11:00 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 That's true - Around 1988 I had a copy of PowerPoint before it was a MS product. It had a hardbound manual about 1/2" thick, and was only for the first small Mac's! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 7:45 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 I think a big part of the issue is Office was never originally an integrated product, rather a collection of software bundled up. It sort of grew into a suite of applications over time, but early on they were all totally separate apps each built with their own idiosyncrasies. That DNA is still lurking under the hood today. Even in VBA, Excel VBA is rather different than Access VBA to achieve the same thing. cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, 25 July 2009 11:21 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 Interesting. Shows how much I know about Excel. Office is a rather barbaric collection of trash if I do say so myself. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Asger Blond wrote: > In Access ctl-F6 will toggle windows in the current file (not windows from > any other file). > In Excel tl-F6 will toggle windows in all open Excel-files (not windows from > any other application). > If you want to toggle different spreadsheets within the same Excel workbook > you should use Ctl-PgDn or Ctl-PgUp, not Ctl-F6. > > Asger > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af jwcolby > Sendt: 24. juli 2009 21:44 > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Emne: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 > > If you hold down Ctl, tap F6, and release Ctl, you will toggle back to the > previous window. If you > hold down Ctl, tap F6, and tap it again, you will start to move through ALL > open windows. > > This behavior is at the least an Office behavior, IOW if you have 6 sheets > open in an excel workbook > then Ctl-F6-F6-F6 will move you through two other spreadsheets from the > current. > > Same idea in Word. > > Ctl-F6-release both will just take you back to the immediate previous > window. > > I am of course talking about windows INSIDE of the current Office > Application. Alt-Tab does a > similar thing but between open APPLICATIONS. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Susan Jones wrote: >> Ctrl+F6 might be what you're needing?? Not very convenient but still >> better than taking your hands off the keyboard completely. You would >> think it would be Ctrl+Tab like every other app ever created, but, >> nope, it just sits there. I struggled with how to move through the >> document tabs for almost a year before I finally found that Ctrl+F6 >> does what I'd been trying to do. Ended up creating a dummy db and >> just clicking through different combinations until I found it. > Aaaaahhhhh!!!!! >> Susan >> >> >> At 01:11 PM 7/24/09, you wrote: >>> Ok, so I was working on my Laptop last night with has O2K7. >>> >>> A lot of times when using access for developmental purposes need to > switch >>> between windows. >>> >>> Alt-W then choose the number of the window that I want. >>> >>> How the Hell does one accomplish this in A2007? Especially when view a >>> maximized report! >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 4162 (20090617) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. 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The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Jul 26 20:37:23 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:37:23 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Simple web project In-Reply-To: <4A6CF766.15602.1530B3F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <39cb22f30907261539t7ac46dc4uede3660de28eca33@mail.gmail.com>, <4A6CF1F3.70403@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6CF766.15602.1530B3F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4A6D04D3.7010600@colbyconsulting.com> In the case of DNN, this stuff is built into DNN itself rather than having to ask the web host to do it. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Stuart McLachlan wrote: > It's really just a matter of pointing the subdomain's DNS record to the appropriate directory. > > It's possible that your web hosting company has the facility to set this up incorporated into a > "control panel" applet - many of them do. > > If that is the case, it's just a matter of filling in the necessary details on an on-line form. > From miscellany at mvps.org Sun Jul 26 22:53:28 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:53:28 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC14@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com><20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com><4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com><49EF7BC3AC2B44E6BFE8C573686E6735@AB><4A6A5E01.7030506@colbyconsulting.com><57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC12@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au><8643B986208D4413BB9A199BE81341D3@danwaters> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC14@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <47C0F16DA0504777BFD38499063D6C7F@stevePC> Whereas the original Access v.1 for DOS wasn't even a database programme. Terminal emulation for running modems, I understand. Times change. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Collins" Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 1:18 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 > Ditto for MS Excel V1.0. That was released in 1985 and was a Mac only > software App as well. It wasn't until XL 2.0 in 1987 that the windows > version was released. > From adtp at airtelmail.in Sun Jul 26 23:52:27 2009 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:22:27 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question References: <39cb22f30907221318g2862cbeoca29480f8b353c0e@mail.gmail.com><005e01ca0b97$cbe43ba0$ac5fa27a@personald6374f> <39cb22f30907261610q2ee67bc0o8e46ffc4631addcb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002901ca0e76$cac83a50$b85ea27a@personald6374f> Steve, Cartesian join, the way it has been used in my sample SQL, is a particularly interesting means of normalizing the source data, without using any code. For example, let us say that apart from the primary key, table T_MyTable has 5 columns, namely RYear, RMonth, Result_1, Result_2 and Result_3. For a given year, there are 12 records (one per month), holding three values (Result_1 to 3) per month. With a Cartesian join between T_MyTable and T_Ref (a table having single field named RefNum, having just three records populated with numbers 1, 2 and 3), the three value columns (Result_1 to 3) in table T_MyTable get converted to a single value column, thereby transforming 12 demoralized records (one per month) for the given year into 36 normalized ones (three records per month). Each normalized record stands identified by month number (1 to 12 via RMonth) and Result number (1 to 3 via RefNum). For example, M_01_1, M_01_2 and M_01_3 identify the first month, continuing onwards till M_12_1, M_12_2 and M_12_3 for the last month. With this input, it becomes feasible for the crosstab query to display three value columns per month, i.e. overall 36 columns. Hopefully, this would enable you to go ahead with implementation of suggested solution. Please do let me know (with reasonable promptness) - the outcome of your efforts and whether any further help is needed. Note: (a) In the crosstab query, format function is used while concatenating month numbers in column names so as to ensure display in proper sequence. (b) If your source data is already in normalized state, it can straightaway be used in crosstab query (without needing any Cartesian join), as per sample SQL provided in my very first post. Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Erbach To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 04:40 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crosstab question A. D., I'll have to peruse this a bit. I confess to a bit of confusion about the need for the Cartesian join. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:14 AM, A.D.Tejpal wrote: > Steve, > > The solution suggested in my earlier post was meant for normalized data > source. However, it appears from your post that you might wish to use > de-normalized data source, having three separate columns holding different > types of results for each month in question, there being one record per > month. This would require transporting the contents of each such column as > distinct value columns in the crosstab query, leading to 36 sub-columns for > twelve months. > > Conventional formulation of crosstab query would permit only one value > column per month. However, this limitation can be overcome by using a > Cartesian join with table T_Ref having a single field named RefNum (number > type), populated with numbers 1 to 3, thereby getting three value columns > per month. > > Sample crosstab query demonstrating this approach, is given below. > T_MyTable is the source table having fields RYear, RMonth, Result_1, > Result_2 and Result_3. > > Best wishes, > A.D. Tejpal > ------------ > > Sample crosstab query - De-normalized data source > (Transporting three columns of source table as value columns) > ========================================= > TRANSFORM > First(IIf([RefNum]=1,[Result_1],IIf([RefNum]=2,[Result_2],[Result_3]))) AS > Expr1 > SELECT T_MyTable.RYear > FROM T_MyTable, T_Ref > GROUP BY T_MyTable.RYear > PIVOT "M_" & Format([RMonth],"00") & "_" & [RefNum]; > ========================================= From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 02:08:58 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:08:58 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) In-Reply-To: <4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>, <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> <4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> Any idea of what percentage of memory I should allocate to the VM systems? Thanks Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 26 July 2009 22:43 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) Personally I favour Sun VirtualBox. -- Stuart On 26 Jul 2009 at 20:18, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Thanks Guys, > Now, given that I will try the VM route to save having the problems that > Susan mentions. > > Which VM? > Sun > MS > The other > > ?? > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 26 July 2009 18:39 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) > > Each Virtual Machine consists of two components - > > A folder containing a collection of which make up the machine itself. > A large file with as .vdi extension which is a virtual disk ( can be more > thanoone if you want > to set up multiple disks on the machine). > > You don't touch your partitions or instal additional OSs on the parent > system. > > > The steps to creating a VM once you have installed VirtualBox are ( all > wizard driven): > > 1. Create the machine after specifying a few parameters > 2. Specify the desired size of the virtual disk and create it. > 3. Insert an OS instal disk in your CD Drive or select an ISO image of one > on your PC > 4. Instal the OS on the Virtual Disk > > Voila! > > -- > Stuart > > On 26 Jul 2009 at 11:19, Dan Waters wrote: > ... > > > > For each PC, do you need to set up another OS within the partition? Can > you > > use the same one? Does VirtualBox have a method to create the partition > > without having to reformat your existing C Drive? > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 10:43 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 > > > > Susan, > > > > As pointed out by others in this thread, the sure-fire solution is using a > > virtual machine. My choice happens to be Sun's VirtualBox, just because I > > wanted to do some Ruby On Rails coding. > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 02:47:01 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:47:01 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) In-Reply-To: <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> <4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Also, If anybody has time to look at these two references contained in the wikepedia I would be grateful. I don't know enough about VM to make a judgement. Thanks Max On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Any idea of what percentage of memory I should allocate to the VM systems? > > Thanks > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: 26 July 2009 22:43 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) > > Personally I favour Sun VirtualBox. > > -- > Stuart > > On 26 Jul 2009 at 20:18, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > Thanks Guys, > > Now, given that I will try the VM route to save having the problems that > > Susan mentions. > > > > Which VM? > > Sun > > MS > > The other > > > > ?? > > > > Max > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > > Sent: 26 July 2009 18:39 > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) > > > > Each Virtual Machine consists of two components - > > > > A folder containing a collection of which make up the machine itself. > > A large file with as .vdi extension which is a virtual disk ( can be more > > thanoone if you want > > to set up multiple disks on the machine). > > > > You don't touch your partitions or instal additional OSs on the parent > > system. > > > > > > The steps to creating a VM once you have installed VirtualBox are ( all > > wizard driven): > > > > 1. Create the machine after specifying a few parameters > > 2. Specify the desired size of the virtual disk and create it. > > 3. Insert an OS instal disk in your CD Drive or select an ISO image of > one > > on your PC > > 4. Instal the OS on the Virtual Disk > > > > Voila! > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 26 Jul 2009 at 11:19, Dan Waters wrote: > > ... > > > > > > For each PC, do you need to set up another OS within the partition? > Can > > you > > > use the same one? Does VirtualBox have a method to create the > partition > > > without having to reformat your existing C Drive? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Dan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > > > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 10:43 AM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > As pointed out by others in this thread, the sure-fire solution is > using > a > > > virtual machine. My choice happens to be Sun's VirtualBox, just because > I > > > wanted to do some Ruby On Rails coding. > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jul 27 05:12:58 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 06:12:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>, <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> <4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> Pct of memory is going to depend on how much memory you have and what you are going to do with the VM. For example I have a server which I use for running one specific piece of software multiple times. This server is pretty much dedicated to that functionality. I have 16 gigs of ram on the server and each VM requires about 3 gigs to run correctly. Thus I give 3 gigs to each vm for 12 gigs total out of 16 gigs. For this specific situation that is what is required. OTOH I have another VM which I run on my Vista development laptop. Its function is to provide me with a Windows XP environment, running things like Office 2007 and express edition 2008 software - experimental stuff that I don't want affecting my dev environment. For that VM I only give it a gig of ram (out of the total 4 gigs). You really have to first determine how much memory is required for the software run on the VM, including the specific OS run on the VM. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Any idea of what percentage of memory I should allocate to the VM systems? > > Thanks > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 26 July 2009 22:43 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) > > Personally I favour Sun VirtualBox. > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 06:12:37 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:12:37 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: <4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> <4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> <4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Thanks John, that is useful - particularly the second example as I am not in the range of 16mb. Believe it or not, the problem I am now having is one of downloads. I cannot get a dowload of VirtualBox. It keeps getting to 98% and hanging... With Virtual PC (MS) I cannot find the download site. Everything seems geared to the new Windows 7 Virtual PC and I keep going in circles with the various links. GGrrrrr. Thanks Max On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:12 AM, jwcolby wrote: > Pct of memory is going to depend on how much memory you have and what you > are going to do with the > VM. For example I have a server which I use for running one specific piece > of software multiple > times. This server is pretty much dedicated to that functionality. I have > 16 gigs of ram on the > server and each VM requires about 3 gigs to run correctly. Thus I give 3 > gigs to each vm for 12 > gigs total out of 16 gigs. For this specific situation that is what is > required. > > OTOH I have another VM which I run on my Vista development laptop. Its > function is to provide me > with a Windows XP environment, running things like Office 2007 and express > edition 2008 software - > experimental stuff that I don't want affecting my dev environment. For > that VM I only give it a gig > of ram (out of the total 4 gigs). > > You really have to first determine how much memory is required for the > software run on the VM, > including the specific OS run on the VM. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: > > Any idea of what percentage of memory I should allocate to the VM > systems? > > > > Thanks > > > > Max > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > > Sent: 26 July 2009 22:43 > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) > > > > Personally I favour Sun VirtualBox. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jul 27 07:16:46 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:16:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> <4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> <4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A6D9AAE.9080103@colbyconsulting.com> WOW, right you are. It seems they are removing all links to VirtualPC for previous opreating systems. More MS suckage. Well... I guess that VMWare is always an option. It works just fine. though I do run the older 1.X version because it is easier (IMHO) to operate. http://www.vmware.com/download/server/ Take my advice and go with the VMware Server 1.0.9. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Thanks John, that is useful - particularly the second example as I am not in > the range of 16mb. > > Believe it or not, the problem I am now having is one of downloads. I > cannot get a dowload of VirtualBox. It keeps getting to 98% and hanging... > > With Virtual PC (MS) I cannot find the download site. Everything seems > geared to the new Windows 7 Virtual PC and I keep going in circles with the > various links. > > GGrrrrr. > > Thanks > Max > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:12 AM, jwcolby wrote: > >> Pct of memory is going to depend on how much memory you have and what you >> are going to do with the >> VM. For example I have a server which I use for running one specific piece >> of software multiple >> times. This server is pretty much dedicated to that functionality. I have >> 16 gigs of ram on the >> server and each VM requires about 3 gigs to run correctly. Thus I give 3 >> gigs to each vm for 12 >> gigs total out of 16 gigs. For this specific situation that is what is >> required. >> >> OTOH I have another VM which I run on my Vista development laptop. Its >> function is to provide me >> with a Windows XP environment, running things like Office 2007 and express >> edition 2008 software - >> experimental stuff that I don't want affecting my dev environment. For >> that VM I only give it a gig >> of ram (out of the total 4 gigs). >> >> You really have to first determine how much memory is required for the >> software run on the VM, >> including the specific OS run on the VM. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Max Wanadoo wrote: >>> Any idea of what percentage of memory I should allocate to the VM >> systems? >>> Thanks >>> >>> Max >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart >> McLachlan >>> Sent: 26 July 2009 22:43 >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) >>> >>> Personally I favour Sun VirtualBox. >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Jul 27 07:59:14 2009 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:59:14 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC12@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com><20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> <4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com> <49EF7BC3AC2B44E6BFE8C573686E6735@AB> <4A6A5E01.7030506@colbyconsulting.com> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC12@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <004601ca0eba$0b649ed0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> > Even in VBA, Excel VBA is rather different than Access VBA to achieve the > same thing. > > cheers > Darryl. This has bugged me for a long time. It was as if the Excel and Access development teams never collaborated at all during the design of the VBA interpreter and each product's object model. Bottomline: Poor technical management IMHO. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 08:27:25 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:27:25 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: <4A6D9AAE.9080103@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> <4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> <4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6D9AAE.9080103@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Thanks John, Downloading it now. BTW I have a new machine with x64 - will it run ok on that? Max On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:16 PM, jwcolby wrote: > WOW, right you are. It seems they are removing all links to VirtualPC for > previous opreating systems. > > More MS suckage. > > Well... I guess that VMWare is always an option. It works just fine. > though I do run the older 1.X > version because it is easier (IMHO) to operate. > > http://www.vmware.com/download/server/ > > Take my advice and go with the VMware Server 1.0.9. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: > > Thanks John, that is useful - particularly the second example as I am not > in > > the range of 16mb. > > > > Believe it or not, the problem I am now having is one of downloads. I > > cannot get a dowload of VirtualBox. It keeps getting to 98% and > hanging... > > > > With Virtual PC (MS) I cannot find the download site. Everything seems > > geared to the new Windows 7 Virtual PC and I keep going in circles with > the > > various links. > > > > GGrrrrr. > > > > Thanks > > Max > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:12 AM, jwcolby >wrote: > > > >> Pct of memory is going to depend on how much memory you have and what > you > >> are going to do with the > >> VM. For example I have a server which I use for running one specific > piece > >> of software multiple > >> times. This server is pretty much dedicated to that functionality. I > have > >> 16 gigs of ram on the > >> server and each VM requires about 3 gigs to run correctly. Thus I give > 3 > >> gigs to each vm for 12 > >> gigs total out of 16 gigs. For this specific situation that is what is > >> required. > >> > >> OTOH I have another VM which I run on my Vista development laptop. Its > >> function is to provide me > >> with a Windows XP environment, running things like Office 2007 and > express > >> edition 2008 software - > >> experimental stuff that I don't want affecting my dev environment. For > >> that VM I only give it a gig > >> of ram (out of the total 4 gigs). > >> > >> You really have to first determine how much memory is required for the > >> software run on the VM, > >> including the specific OS run on the VM. > >> > >> John W. Colby > >> www.ColbyConsulting.com > >> > >> > >> Max Wanadoo wrote: > >>> Any idea of what percentage of memory I should allocate to the VM > >> systems? > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Max > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > >> McLachlan > >>> Sent: 26 July 2009 22:43 > >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) > >>> > >>> Personally I favour Sun VirtualBox. > >>> > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jul 27 08:36:35 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:36:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> <4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> <4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6D9AAE.9080103@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A6DAD63.6060805@colbyconsulting.com> I run it on my Windows 2003 x64 machines. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Thanks John, > Downloading it now. BTW I have a new machine with x64 - will it run ok on > that? > Max > > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:16 PM, jwcolby wrote: > >> WOW, right you are. It seems they are removing all links to VirtualPC for >> previous opreating systems. >> >> More MS suckage. >> >> Well... I guess that VMWare is always an option. It works just fine. >> though I do run the older 1.X >> version because it is easier (IMHO) to operate. >> >> http://www.vmware.com/download/server/ >> >> Take my advice and go with the VMware Server 1.0.9. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Max Wanadoo wrote: >>> Thanks John, that is useful - particularly the second example as I am not >> in >>> the range of 16mb. >>> >>> Believe it or not, the problem I am now having is one of downloads. I >>> cannot get a dowload of VirtualBox. It keeps getting to 98% and >> hanging... >>> With Virtual PC (MS) I cannot find the download site. Everything seems >>> geared to the new Windows 7 Virtual PC and I keep going in circles with >> the >>> various links. >>> >>> GGrrrrr. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Max >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:12 AM, jwcolby >> wrote: >>> >>>> Pct of memory is going to depend on how much memory you have and what >> you >>>> are going to do with the >>>> VM. For example I have a server which I use for running one specific >> piece >>>> of software multiple >>>> times. This server is pretty much dedicated to that functionality. I >> have >>>> 16 gigs of ram on the >>>> server and each VM requires about 3 gigs to run correctly. Thus I give >> 3 >>>> gigs to each vm for 12 >>>> gigs total out of 16 gigs. For this specific situation that is what is >>>> required. >>>> >>>> OTOH I have another VM which I run on my Vista development laptop. Its >>>> function is to provide me >>>> with a Windows XP environment, running things like Office 2007 and >> express >>>> edition 2008 software - >>>> experimental stuff that I don't want affecting my dev environment. For >>>> that VM I only give it a gig >>>> of ram (out of the total 4 gigs). >>>> >>>> You really have to first determine how much memory is required for the >>>> software run on the VM, >>>> including the specific OS run on the VM. >>>> >>>> John W. Colby >>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>>> >>>> >>>> Max Wanadoo wrote: >>>>> Any idea of what percentage of memory I should allocate to the VM >>>> systems? >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Max >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart >>>> McLachlan >>>>> Sent: 26 July 2009 22:43 >>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) >>>>> >>>>> Personally I favour Sun VirtualBox. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 08:43:20 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:43:20 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: <4A6DAD63.6060805@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> <4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> <4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6D9AAE.9080103@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6DAD63.6060805@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: should be ok on a vista x64 then. Many thanks max On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:36 PM, jwcolby wrote: > I run it on my Windows 2003 x64 machines. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: > > Thanks John, > > Downloading it now. BTW I have a new machine with x64 - will it run ok > on > > that? > > Max > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:16 PM, jwcolby >wrote: > > > >> WOW, right you are. It seems they are removing all links to VirtualPC > for > >> previous opreating systems. > >> > >> More MS suckage. > >> > >> Well... I guess that VMWare is always an option. It works just fine. > >> though I do run the older 1.X > >> version because it is easier (IMHO) to operate. > >> > >> http://www.vmware.com/download/server/ > >> > >> Take my advice and go with the VMware Server 1.0.9. > >> > >> John W. Colby > >> www.ColbyConsulting.com < > http://www.colbyconsulting.com/> > >> > >> > >> Max Wanadoo wrote: > >>> Thanks John, that is useful - particularly the second example as I am > not > >> in > >>> the range of 16mb. > >>> > >>> Believe it or not, the problem I am now having is one of downloads. I > >>> cannot get a dowload of VirtualBox. It keeps getting to 98% and > >> hanging... > >>> With Virtual PC (MS) I cannot find the download site. Everything seems > >>> geared to the new Windows 7 Virtual PC and I keep going in circles with > >> the > >>> various links. > >>> > >>> GGrrrrr. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> Max > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:12 AM, jwcolby >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Pct of memory is going to depend on how much memory you have and what > >> you > >>>> are going to do with the > >>>> VM. For example I have a server which I use for running one specific > >> piece > >>>> of software multiple > >>>> times. This server is pretty much dedicated to that functionality. I > >> have > >>>> 16 gigs of ram on the > >>>> server and each VM requires about 3 gigs to run correctly. Thus I > give > >> 3 > >>>> gigs to each vm for 12 > >>>> gigs total out of 16 gigs. For this specific situation that is what > is > >>>> required. > >>>> > >>>> OTOH I have another VM which I run on my Vista development laptop. > Its > >>>> function is to provide me > >>>> with a Windows XP environment, running things like Office 2007 and > >> express > >>>> edition 2008 software - > >>>> experimental stuff that I don't want affecting my dev environment. > For > >>>> that VM I only give it a gig > >>>> of ram (out of the total 4 gigs). > >>>> > >>>> You really have to first determine how much memory is required for the > >>>> software run on the VM, > >>>> including the specific OS run on the VM. > >>>> > >>>> John W. Colby > >>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com < > http://www.colbyconsulting.com/> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Max Wanadoo wrote: > >>>>> Any idea of what percentage of memory I should allocate to the VM > >>>> systems? > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> > >>>>> Max > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > >>>> McLachlan > >>>>> Sent: 26 July 2009 22:43 > >>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) > >>>>> > >>>>> Personally I favour Sun VirtualBox. > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> AccessD mailing list > >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>>> > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jul 27 09:35:09 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:35:09 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <004601ca0eba$0b649ed0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com><20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> <4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com> <49EF7BC3AC2B44E6BFE8C573686E6735@AB> <4A6A5E01.7030506@colbyconsulting.com> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC12@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <004601ca0eba$0b649ed0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> Message-ID: <4A6DBB1D.1090306@colbyconsulting.com> LOL, it is entirely likely that they in fact never did collaborate at all. VBA is a base language. VBA for Access simply adds extensions required to understand Jet and Access specific things. VBA for Excel simply adds extensions to understand excel specific things. What the Access team would add to Excel's team when writing Excel extensions is pretty questionable, and vice versa. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Mark Simms wrote: >> Even in VBA, Excel VBA is rather different than Access VBA to achieve the >> same thing. >> >> cheers >> Darryl. > This has bugged me for a long time. It was as if the Excel and Access > development teams never collaborated at all during the design of the VBA > interpreter and each product's object model. > Bottomline: Poor technical management IMHO. > > > From dbdoug at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 10:08:54 2009 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:08:54 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <4A6DBB1D.1090306@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com> <20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> <4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com> <49EF7BC3AC2B44E6BFE8C573686E6735@AB> <4A6A5E01.7030506@colbyconsulting.com> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC12@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <004601ca0eba$0b649ed0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> <4A6DBB1D.1090306@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0907270808v7799bcc4v10027ce7ae6b848d@mail.gmail.com> I read or heard a podcast where Joel Spolsky (www.joelonsoftware.com), who wrote the specs for Excel VBA, commented on this. If I remember correctly, VBA had been set up by one of the groups (Excel or Access), and then the other group was forced to adapt VBA to work with its product - that's why the two object models are different. I can't find the exact reference, but here's his remarks on Mac vs Windows VBA for Excel: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/04/25.html Doug Steele On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:35 AM, jwcolby wrote: > LOL, it is entirely likely that they in fact never did collaborate at all. > > VBA is a base language. VBA for Access simply adds extensions required to > understand Jet and Access > specific things. VBA for Excel simply adds extensions to understand excel > specific things. What > the Access team would add to Excel's team when writing Excel extensions is > pretty questionable, and > vice versa. > > From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Jul 27 10:10:59 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:10:59 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Database humour In-Reply-To: <4a6c4d62.0a1ad00a.0cb8.fffff4e5@mx.google.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork><4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6c4d62.0a1ad00a.0cb8.fffff4e5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That's pretty funny. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 7:35 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Database humour http://highscalability.com/nsfw-hilarious-fault-tolerance-cartoon Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Jul 27 10:13:57 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:13:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork><4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com><4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com><48984AF137A54EB3A34C67B254DAF38A@SusanOne><29f585dd0907260843m12b43256qd8c0f6eeb06c48b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I use Virtual PC and Virtual Server. But I think all the Virtual 'environments' work on the same general principles. Your virtual machine's hard drive is a file. So it won't interrupt the host environment at all. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 11:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) Hi Arthur, I'm going to be doing the same thing soon with Office 2003/2007. For each PC, do you need to set up another OS within the partition? Can you use the same one? Does VirtualBox have a method to create the partition without having to reformat your existing C Drive? Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 10:43 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 Susan, As pointed out by others in this thread, the sure-fire solution is using a virtual machine. My choice happens to be Sun's VirtualBox, just because I wanted to do some Ruby On Rails coding. Lately I run VirtualBox on both my 64-bit dual Athlon and on my Lenovo notebook. Both machines have 3 GB of RAM and it works splendidly. So I have a VM on both boxes that is dedicated to O2K7 and another dedicated to O2K3. For my needs, it's the perfect solution. Arthur The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Jul 27 10:19:00 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:19:00 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: <4A6CCAEA.3090009@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>, <29f585dd0907260843m12b43256qd8c0f6eeb06c48b@mail.gmail.com>, <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> <4A6CCAEA.3090009@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I like VPC and Virtual Server 2005.... best feature, they are both free, and interchangeable. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:30 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC I use VMWare and am neutral on recommending it. It works well, is easy to set up. My biggest issue was a huge problem getting the VMs to attach to the physical NIC when using Hamachi. For whatever reason the host software (which controls the NIC bindings) gravitate towards the Hamachi NICS. It is a not well known phenomenon which took me ages to figure out. Other than that, I use them still and recommend VMs in general. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Thanks Guys, > Now, given that I will try the VM route to save having the problems that > Susan mentions. > > Which VM? > Sun > MS > The other > > ?? > > Max > > > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. 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From dwaters at usinternet.com Mon Jul 27 10:47:24 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:47:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork><4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com><4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com><48984AF137A54EB3A34C67B254DAF38A@SusanOne><29f585dd0907260843m12b43256qd8c0f6eeb06c48b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Drew! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:14 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) I use Virtual PC and Virtual Server. But I think all the Virtual 'environments' work on the same general principles. Your virtual machine's hard drive is a file. So it won't interrupt the host environment at all. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 11:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) Hi Arthur, I'm going to be doing the same thing soon with Office 2003/2007. For each PC, do you need to set up another OS within the partition? Can you use the same one? Does VirtualBox have a method to create the partition without having to reformat your existing C Drive? Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 10:43 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 Susan, As pointed out by others in this thread, the sure-fire solution is using a virtual machine. My choice happens to be Sun's VirtualBox, just because I wanted to do some Ruby On Rails coding. Lately I run VirtualBox on both my 64-bit dual Athlon and on my Lenovo notebook. Both machines have 3 GB of RAM and it works splendidly. So I have a VM on both boxes that is dedicated to O2K7 and another dedicated to O2K3. For my needs, it's the perfect solution. Arthur The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. 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You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Jul 27 10:54:52 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:54:52 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Simple web project In-Reply-To: <4A6CF1F3.70403@colbyconsulting.com> References: <002b01ca0a28$d451f130$7cf5d390$@spb.ru> <1B6FE550BFA84B93987EF3BF91940CA1@Mattys> <4A671E51.1020303@colbyconsulting.com> <39cb22f30907221331q3e25367cq40723e3c01962159@mail.gmail.com> <4A68504C.3030309@colbyconsulting.com><39cb22f30907261539t7ac46dc4uede3660de28eca33@mail.gmail.com> <4A6CF1F3.70403@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: The 'SomeName' part of SomeName.SomeDomain.com is a reference to another 'system' on that domain. In network terms, it's another IP address. So while it could be a whole different machine, it also could just be a different IP address for the same machine. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 7:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simple web project Steve, My understanding of the SomeName.SomeDomain.com is that DNN uses exactly the same process that it does when you use an actual domain. I will go figure it out. It looked easy enough and I seem to remember actually doing it years ago. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. 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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Jul 27 11:02:47 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:02:47 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com><4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com><4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: If you google 'Virtual PC 2007', first link is this: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=04D26402-3199-4 8A3-AFA2-2DC0B40A73B6&displaylang=en Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 6:13 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC Thanks John, that is useful - particularly the second example as I am not in the range of 16mb. Believe it or not, the problem I am now having is one of downloads. I cannot get a dowload of VirtualBox. It keeps getting to 98% and hanging... With Virtual PC (MS) I cannot find the download site. Everything seems geared to the new Windows 7 Virtual PC and I keep going in circles with the various links. GGrrrrr. Thanks Max The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 11:20:34 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:20:34 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> <4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> <4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: help! I am trying to install vmserver 1.0.9 John - as recommended. Firstly it said it wanted IIS which I done, and all sorts of web stuff and .net which I might need later. Then it said "Warning. VM Management Interface is only supported on Server Operating Systems. You may encounter some issues when using VMWare management interface on this system." I clicked OK. Then got a message to disable autorun on CD - which I accepted. But now it is saying "Warnng 25300 WMWare management interface website was configured correctly but failed to start. The site will have to be started manually from the IIS configuration"...What the heck does that mean? Then right at the end it came up with a list of drivers that it refused to installl because they were not digitally signed. Invited me to uninstall, get digitrally signed ones and reinstall. The installlation then finished. Should I just remove it all and try something else? max From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jul 27 11:41:36 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:41:36 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork><4A6AF4FB.2060804@colbyconsulting.com><4a6c54f7.0a04d00a.30d7.fffff704@mx.google.com><48984AF137A54EB3A34C67B254DAF38A@SusanOne><29f585dd0907260843m12b43256qd8c0f6eeb06c48b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6DD8C0.7090900@colbyconsulting.com> True as far as it goes. it is possible to map a partition on the host machine as a drive on the virtual machine, in which case the vm is writing directly to that partition of the host machine. I do that for my application server. I needed a very fast drive to act similar to a ram disk, blazing read-only in my case. So I bought a high performance Flash drive, created three partitions on it (one for each vm) and then mapped those partitions as drives for the VM. thus each vm has its own physical partition out on the flash drive on the host. To the VM it looks just like a mapped drive. Since the host can see the drive and its partitions, applications on the host can write to those partitions which is a no-no of course. At least I THINK it is a no-no. It seems like it would be a simple way to pass data between vm and host but AFAICT the VM and host see these partitions differently, i.e. neither can see what the other writes, but writes by the host corrupts the structure of the vm's drive. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Drew Wutka wrote: > I use Virtual PC and Virtual Server. But I think all the Virtual > 'environments' work on the same general principles. Your virtual > machine's hard drive is a file. So it won't interrupt the host > environment at all. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 11:19 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC (was: Office 2003 and 2007) > > Hi Arthur, > > I'm going to be doing the same thing soon with Office 2003/2007. > > For each PC, do you need to set up another OS within the partition? Can > you > use the same one? Does VirtualBox have a method to create the partition > without having to reformat your existing C Drive? > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 10:43 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2003 and 2007 > > Susan, > > As pointed out by others in this thread, the sure-fire solution is using > a > virtual machine. My choice happens to be Sun's VirtualBox, just because > I > wanted to do some Ruby On Rails coding. > > Lately I run VirtualBox on both my 64-bit dual Athlon and on my Lenovo > notebook. Both machines have 3 GB of RAM and it works splendidly. So I > have > a VM on both boxes that is dedicated to O2K7 and another dedicated to > O2K3. > For my needs, it's the perfect solution. > > Arthur > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jul 27 11:42:21 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:42:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>, <29f585dd0907260843m12b43256qd8c0f6eeb06c48b@mail.gmail.com>, <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> <4A6CCAEA.3090009@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A6DD8ED.4030806@colbyconsulting.com> >best feature, they are both free, and interchangeable. LOL, IF you can find them now. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Drew Wutka wrote: > I like VPC and Virtual Server 2005.... best feature, they are both free, > and interchangeable. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:30 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC > > I use VMWare and am neutral on recommending it. It works well, is easy > to set up. My biggest issue > was a huge problem getting the VMs to attach to the physical NIC when > using Hamachi. For whatever > reason the host software (which controls the NIC bindings) gravitate > towards the Hamachi NICS. It > is a not well known phenomenon which took me ages to figure out. > > Other than that, I use them still and recommend VMs in general. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: >> Thanks Guys, >> Now, given that I will try the VM route to save having the problems > that >> Susan mentions. >> >> Which VM? >> Sun >> MS >> The other >> >> ?? >> >> Max >> >> >> > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jul 27 11:44:16 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:44:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com><4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com><4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A6DD960.8090108@colbyconsulting.com> I get a "page not found" John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Drew Wutka wrote: > If you google 'Virtual PC 2007', first link is this: > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=04D26402-3199-4 > 8A3-AFA2-2DC0B40A73B6&displaylang=en > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 6:13 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC > > Thanks John, that is useful - particularly the second example as I am > not in > the range of 16mb. > > Believe it or not, the problem I am now having is one of downloads. I > cannot get a dowload of VirtualBox. It keeps getting to 98% and > hanging... > > With Virtual PC (MS) I cannot find the download site. Everything seems > geared to the new Windows 7 Virtual PC and I keep going in circles with > the > various links. > > GGrrrrr. > > Thanks > Max > > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jul 27 11:49:18 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:49:18 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> <4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> <4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A6DDA8E.9040803@colbyconsulting.com> Max, I have not tried to run that on Vista, I run it on Windows 2003 which is a server of course (and XP compatible as well). I am running vmware player on my Vista Laptop, however that can only mount a single vm at a time. That is probably sufficient for your case. http://www.vmware.com/download/player/ It is not as flexible in configuring the vm however. In fact I think you have to edit the VM config file directly. And in fact I don't know how you are going to create the vm without the server software which is what I use to do that. Just trying to help you get SOMETHING running. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > help! I am trying to install vmserver 1.0.9 John - as recommended. > > Firstly it said it wanted IIS which I done, and all sorts of web stuff and > .net which I might need later. > > Then it said "Warning. VM Management Interface is only supported on Server > Operating Systems. You may encounter some issues when using VMWare > management interface on this system." I clicked OK. Then got a message to > disable autorun on CD - which I accepted. > > But now it is saying "Warnng 25300 WMWare management interface website was > configured correctly but failed to start. The site will have to be started > manually from the IIS configuration"...What the heck does that mean? > Then right at the end it came up with a list of drivers that it refused to > installl because they were not digitally signed. Invited me to uninstall, > get digitrally signed ones and reinstall. The installlation then finished. > > Should I just remove it all and try something else? > > max From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Jul 27 11:53:35 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:53:35 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: <4A6DD960.8090108@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com><4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com><4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6DD960.8090108@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Try a tiny URL http://tinyurl.com/nojkrk Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:44 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC I get a "page not found" John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Drew Wutka wrote: > If you google 'Virtual PC 2007', first link is this: > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=04D26402-3199-4 > 8A3-AFA2-2DC0B40A73B6&displaylang=en > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 6:13 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC > > Thanks John, that is useful - particularly the second example as I am > not in > the range of 16mb. > > Believe it or not, the problem I am now having is one of downloads. I > cannot get a dowload of VirtualBox. It keeps getting to 98% and > hanging... > > With Virtual PC (MS) I cannot find the download site. Everything seems > geared to the new Windows 7 Virtual PC and I keep going in circles with > the > various links. > > GGrrrrr. > > Thanks > Max > > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 11:54:16 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:54:16 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> <4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> <4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Drew, The page says: it runs on: "Virtual PC 2007 runs on: Windows Vista? Business; Windows Vista? Enterprise; Windows Vista? Ultimate; Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition; Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows XP Professional; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition; or Windows XP Tablet PC EditionVirtual PC 2007 runs on: Windows Vista? Business; Windows Vista? Enterprise; Windows Vista? Ultimate; Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition; Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows XP Professional; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition; or Windows XP Tablet PC EditionVirtual PC 2007 runs on: Windows Vista? Business; Windows Vista? Enterprise; Windows Vista? Ultimate; Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition; Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows XP Professional; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition; or Windows XP Tablet PC EditionVirtual PC 2007 runs on: Windows Vista? Business; Windows Vista? Enterprise; Windows Vista? Ultimate; Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition; Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows XP Professional; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition; or Windows XP Tablet PC Edition" I have Windows Vist Home Edition, x64. Will it run on that. Seems to list everything but that?? On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Drew Wutka wrote: > If you google 'Virtual PC 2007', first link is this: > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=04D26402-3199-4 > 8A3-AFA2-2DC0B40A73B6&displaylang=en > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 6:13 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC > > Thanks John, that is useful - particularly the second example as I am > not in > the range of 16mb. > > Believe it or not, the problem I am now having is one of downloads. I > cannot get a dowload of VirtualBox. It keeps getting to 98% and > hanging... > > With Virtual PC (MS) I cannot find the download site. Everything seems > geared to the new Windows 7 Virtual PC and I keep going in circles with > the > various links. > > GGrrrrr. > > Thanks > Max > > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI > Business > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or > hard copy. > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, > dissemination, > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information > by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Jul 27 12:09:42 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:09:42 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com><4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com><4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hmmmm, I'm not sure. Just an FYI, you should NEVER buy a 'home edition' of ANY OS. All a home edition does is strip out lots of features/capabilities. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:54 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC Drew, The page says: it runs on: "Virtual PC 2007 runs on: Windows Vista(tm) Business; Windows Vista(tm) Enterprise; Windows Vista(tm) Ultimate; Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition; Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows XP Professional; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition; or Windows XP Tablet PC EditionVirtual PC 2007 runs on: Windows Vista(tm) Business; Windows Vista(tm) Enterprise; Windows Vista(tm) Ultimate; Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition; Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows XP Professional; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition; or Windows XP Tablet PC EditionVirtual PC 2007 runs on: Windows Vista(tm) Business; Windows Vista(tm) Enterprise; Windows Vista(tm) Ultimate; Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition; Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows XP Professional; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition; or Windows XP Tablet PC EditionVirtual PC 2007 runs on: Windows Vista(tm) Business; Windows Vista(tm) Enterprise; Windows Vista(tm) Ultimate; Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition; Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows XP Professional; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition; or Windows XP Tablet PC Edition" I have Windows Vist Home Edition, x64. Will it run on that. Seems to list everything but that?? On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Drew Wutka wrote: > If you google 'Virtual PC 2007', first link is this: > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=04D26402-3199-4 > 8A3-AFA2-2DC0B40A73B6&displaylang=en > > Drew > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 12:14:43 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:14:43 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> <4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> <4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hi Drew, It came with the machine pre installed. max On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Drew Wutka wrote: > Hmmmm, I'm not sure. > > Just an FYI, you should NEVER buy a 'home edition' of ANY OS. All a > home edition does is strip out lots of features/capabilities. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:54 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC > > Drew, > The page says: it runs on: > > "Virtual PC 2007 runs on: Windows Vista(tm) Business; Windows Vista(tm) > Enterprise; Windows Vista(tm) Ultimate; Windows Server 2003, Standard > Edition; > Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows XP Professional; > Windows > XP Professional x64 Edition; or Windows XP Tablet PC EditionVirtual PC > 2007 > runs on: Windows Vista(tm) Business; Windows Vista(tm) Enterprise; > Windows Vista(tm) > Ultimate; Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition; Windows Server 2003, > Standard x64 Edition; Windows XP Professional; Windows XP Professional > x64 > Edition; or Windows XP Tablet PC EditionVirtual PC 2007 runs on: Windows > Vista(tm) Business; Windows Vista(tm) Enterprise; Windows Vista(tm) > Ultimate; Windows > Server 2003, Standard Edition; Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 > Edition; > Windows XP Professional; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition; or Windows > XP > Tablet PC EditionVirtual PC 2007 runs on: Windows Vista(tm) Business; > Windows > Vista(tm) Enterprise; Windows Vista(tm) Ultimate; Windows Server 2003, > Standard > Edition; Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows XP > Professional; > Windows XP Professional x64 Edition; or Windows XP Tablet PC Edition" > > I have Windows Vist Home Edition, x64. Will it run on that. Seems to > list > everything but that?? > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Drew Wutka wrote: > > > If you google 'Virtual PC 2007', first link is this: > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=04D26402-3199-4 > > 8A3-AFA2-2DC0B40A73B6&displaylang=en > > > > Drew > > > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI > Business > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or > hard copy. > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, > dissemination, > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information > by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 12:28:12 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:28:12 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com> <4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> <4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Yep, bombed me out. What level should I upgrade to? Enterprise or ultimate? Max From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Jul 27 12:42:46 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:42:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com><4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com><4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Probably Ultimate, but I use Vista Business. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC Yep, bombed me out. What level should I upgrade to? Enterprise or ultimate? Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 12:51:10 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:51:10 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com> <4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Thanks Guys MAx On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Drew Wutka wrote: > Probably Ultimate, but I use Vista Business. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:28 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC > > Yep, bombed me out. > > What level should I upgrade to? > > Enterprise or ultimate? > > Max > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI > Business > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or > hard copy. > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, > dissemination, > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information > by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 13:11:39 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:11:39 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: <4a69e9f7.0a04d00a.0e25.1af5@mx.google.com> References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com> <4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a69e9f7.0a04d00a.0e25.1af5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907271111p5001d37fi338a1aba1e8ed375@mail.gmail.com> I waited for the second coming of several women in my life, but I digress. This whole line of argument is IMO dangerous, treacherous, distributive of the responsibilty and location of the code, and perhaps a few other adjectives. I know that lots of you don't agree with me, but I will cite this whole thread as evidence in favor of my stance on this. Database code should reside in exactly one place -- the database. Stored procedures, triggers, event schedules, views, roles, security and so on should exist only in the database. Dynamically constructed SQL statements should be cause for the death penalty unless their coders can prove there is no other way to achieve the desired result. Ok. I'm all tuckered out. Just let me recap in one sentence: Everything the database *can* do, the database *should* do. Arthur From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Jul 27 13:13:19 2009 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:13:19 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <4A6DBB1D.1090306@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com><20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> <4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com> <49EF7BC3AC2B44E6BFE8C573686E6735@AB> <4A6A5E01.7030506@colbyconsulting.com> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC12@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <004601ca0eba$0b649ed0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> <4A6DBB1D.1090306@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <004701ca0ee5$ec106ec0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> Just very quickly I am coming up with... 1) the handling of the STATUS BAR 2) adding items to a list box I'll bet we can come up with dozens more that should have been made common. Add Powerpoint and Outlook to the mix...and the list probably goes into the hundreds of items. > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:35 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 > > LOL, it is entirely likely that they in fact never did > collaborate at all. > > VBA is a base language. VBA for Access simply adds > extensions required to understand Jet and Access specific > things. VBA for Excel simply adds extensions to understand > excel specific things. What the Access team would add to > Excel's team when writing Excel extensions is pretty > questionable, and vice versa. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Jul 27 13:54:34 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:54:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <004701ca0ee5$ec106ec0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com><20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> <4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com> <49EF7BC3AC2B44E6BFE8C573686E6735@AB> <4A6A5E01.7030506@colbyconsulting.com> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC12@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <004601ca0eba$0b649ed0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> <4A6DBB1D.1090306@colbyconsulting.com> <004701ca0ee5$ec106ec0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> Message-ID: <4A6DF7EA.5010502@colbyconsulting.com> Then it should be in the base language, not in the extensions. The interfact should exist in the base language and each application should work to the interface. The problem is similar to buying a company and trying to merge their existing databases. It is never trivial. Pretty much all of the office applications were purchased from some third party and "merged" into an "office" environment. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Mark Simms wrote: > Just very quickly I am coming up with... > 1) the handling of the STATUS BAR > 2) adding items to a list box > > I'll bet we can come up with dozens more that should have been made common. > > Add Powerpoint and Outlook to the mix...and the list probably goes into the > hundreds of items. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:35 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 >> >> LOL, it is entirely likely that they in fact never did >> collaborate at all. >> >> VBA is a base language. VBA for Access simply adds >> extensions required to understand Jet and Access specific >> things. VBA for Excel simply adds extensions to understand >> excel specific things. What the Access team would add to >> Excel's team when writing Excel extensions is pretty >> questionable, and vice versa. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> > > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 27 14:37:23 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:37:23 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Message-ID: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> Dear List: I'm trying to install O2007 on a machine that had O2003. During the installation I get a message that SKU111.cab cannot be found on the installation disk and the installation terminates. I believe it has something to do with having 2003 on the machine as well but sku111.cab is not on the O2003 CD. Is there a fix for this? MTIA Rocky From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Jul 27 14:49:26 2009 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:49:26 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F469@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Rocky See if this helps http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896866 Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The Library at Queen's Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin [rockysmolin at bchacc.com] Sent: 27 July 2009 20:37 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Dear List: I'm trying to install O2007 on a machine that had O2003. During the installation I get a message that SKU111.cab cannot be found on the installation disk and the installation terminates. I believe it has something to do with having 2003 on the machine as well but sku111.cab is not on the O2003 CD. Is there a fix for this? MTIA Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 27 15:01:24 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:01:24 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F469@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F469@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yeah, I saw that so I uninstalled 2003 and then the 2007 installation went OK. So now I'm going to try to install 2003 AFTER 2007 and see if I can get away with that. Anther forum had a reference to O2003 SP2 installation doing away with the hidden cab files. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:49 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky See if this helps http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896866 Martin Martin WP Reid Information Services The Library at Queen's Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin [rockysmolin at bchacc.com] Sent: 27 July 2009 20:37 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Dear List: I'm trying to install O2007 on a machine that had O2003. During the installation I get a message that SKU111.cab cannot be found on the installation disk and the installation terminates. I believe it has something to do with having 2003 on the machine as well but sku111.cab is not on the O2003 CD. Is there a fix for this? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 16:36:48 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:36:48 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Simple web project In-Reply-To: References: <002b01ca0a28$d451f130$7cf5d390$@spb.ru> <1B6FE550BFA84B93987EF3BF91940CA1@Mattys> <4A671E51.1020303@colbyconsulting.com> <39cb22f30907221331q3e25367cq40723e3c01962159@mail.gmail.com> <4A68504C.3030309@colbyconsulting.com> <39cb22f30907261539t7ac46dc4uede3660de28eca33@mail.gmail.com> <4A6CF1F3.70403@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30907271436n25f40f5fh5277caee07330acf@mail.gmail.com> Drew, I guess my question would be, does that mean you're paying for that additional IP address as if you paid for a completely new domain? Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Drew Wutka wrote: > The 'SomeName' part of SomeName.SomeDomain.com is a reference to another > 'system' on that domain. In network terms, it's another IP address. So > while it could be a whole different machine, it also could just be a > different IP address for the same machine. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 7:17 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simple web project > > Steve, > > My understanding of the SomeName.SomeDomain.com is that DNN uses exactly > the same process that it > does when you use an actual domain. I will go figure it out. It looked > easy enough and I seem to > remember actually doing it years ago. > > John W. Colby > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jul 27 17:25:51 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:25:51 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Simple web project In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30907271436n25f40f5fh5277caee07330acf@mail.gmail.com> References: , , <39cb22f30907271436n25f40f5fh5277caee07330acf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6E296F.905.19DC20D0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> A lot of WWW sites use shared IP addresses - especially smaller, low traffic sites. A different domain or subdomain does not require a separate IP address, with most hosting companies, you have to pay extra for your own IP address. The one I use a lot is QuadraHosting.com. This from their website: Domain Hosting Features Domain Aliasing Point several domain names to your web site for free. For example, you can have www.yourbusiness.com, www.your-business.com and www.yourbusiness.com.au all pointing to the same web site. Sub Domains Create multiple sub-domains for free. For example if you have the domain name "blogg.com", you can have joe.blogg.com (or www.joe.blogg.com), jane.blogg.com, tom.blogg.com, etc. Custom DNS Records We provide an online DNS editor so that you can add custom DNS records to your domain names. Dedicated IP Address We can provide dedicated IP address to your domains / web sites should it be required. I am sure that other hosting companies are similar. -- Stuart On 27 Jul 2009 at 16:36, Steve Erbach wrote: > Drew, > I guess my question would be, does that mean you're paying for that > additional IP address as if you paid for a completely new domain? > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Drew Wutka wrote: > > > The 'SomeName' part of SomeName.SomeDomain.com is a reference to another > > 'system' on that domain. In network terms, it's another IP address. So > > while it could be a whole different machine, it also could just be a > > different IP address for the same machine. > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 7:17 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simple web project > > > > Steve, > > > > My understanding of the SomeName.SomeDomain.com is that DNN uses exactly > > the same process that it > > does when you use an actual domain. I will go figure it out. It looked > > easy enough and I seem to > > remember actually doing it years ago. > > > > John W. Colby > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Mon Jul 27 18:18:38 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:18:38 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Rocky, Do you mean SKU011? if so, I have some help on how to fix this, but the .cab files you need here http://www.excelyourbusiness.com.au/FormulaHelp.htm#FormulaSKU011 cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 5:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Dear List: I'm trying to install O2007 on a machine that had O2003. During the installation I get a message that SKU111.cab cannot be found on the installation disk and the installation terminates. I believe it has something to do with having 2003 on the machine as well but sku111.cab is not on the O2003 CD. Is there a fix for this? MTIA Rocky ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 27 18:27:56 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:27:56 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: Thanks. I think that's what I need. In the meantime, it was a test bed machine with Windows 7 so I just uninstalled 2003 and then 2007 installed. The problem wasn't 2003 but 2007 installing. SO now I'm going to try to install 2003 after 2007 and see if that works. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, Do you mean SKU011? if so, I have some help on how to fix this, but the .cab files you need here http://www.excelyourbusiness.com.au/FormulaHelp.htm#FormulaSKU011 cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 5:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Dear List: I'm trying to install O2007 on a machine that had O2003. During the installation I get a message that SKU111.cab cannot be found on the installation disk and the installation terminates. I believe it has something to do with having 2003 on the machine as well but sku111.cab is not on the O2003 CD. Is there a fix for this? MTIA Rocky ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Jul 27 20:15:33 2009 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:15:33 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907271111p5001d37fi338a1aba1e8ed375@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com> <4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a69e9f7.0a04d00a.0e25.1af5@mx.google.com> <29f585dd0907271111p5001d37fi338a1aba1e8ed375@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008801ca0f20$e7f28040$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> > Dynamically constructed SQL statements should be > cause for the death penalty unless their coders can prove > there is no other way to achieve the desired result. Still, it's incredible to see how much of this "SQL string coding" continually occurs.... Just look at the plethora of "SQL string" posts in Access Monster and Utter Access websites. Of course, much of the problem is in the limited nature of parameters in Access Queries. Had they been "enpowered" much like SQL Server stored procedure parameters, all of this "string coding" would never have occurred in the first place. Naturally, one must wonder if MSFT had done this intentionally...i.e. "weakened" Access to sell more SQL Server. From marksimms at verizon.net Mon Jul 27 20:24:21 2009 From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:24:21 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <4A6DF7EA.5010502@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com><20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com> <4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com> <49EF7BC3AC2B44E6BFE8C573686E6735@AB> <4A6A5E01.7030506@colbyconsulting.com> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC12@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <004601ca0eba$0b649ed0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> <4A6DBB1D.1090306@colbyconsulting.com> <004701ca0ee5$ec106ec0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> <4A6DF7EA.5010502@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <008901ca0f22$22c5e620$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS> Sorry John, I disagree. The problem is/was that no one reviewed the entire Office suite for "common" object references. There was no "Commonality Architect" appointed. Each team arrived at different approaches to the SAME TECHNICAL ISSUE. I believe that cannot be disputed. It was a huge technical oversight IMHO. But, at the time, NO ONE CARED. It was all about GETTING THE PRODUCT OUT THE DOOR ASAP FOR THE REVENUE $$$$. As a businessman, I'd say "THAT's OK". As a technical purist, I'd say "THAT Sucks". The Business "side" won. That's why Gates is rich. End of story, end of rant. > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 2:55 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 > > Then it should be in the base language, not in the > extensions. The interfact should exist in the base language > and each application should work to the interface. > > The problem is similar to buying a company and trying to > merge their existing databases. It is never trivial. Pretty > much all of the office applications were purchased from some > third party and "merged" into an "office" environment. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Mon Jul 27 23:50:00 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:50:00 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC20@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Max, Read this before making a choice on which Vista Version. It may save you big bucks. http://windowssecrets.com/2009/07/16/01-Some-versions-of-Windows-7-worth-it-others-not cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 3:43 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC Probably Ultimate, but I use Vista Business. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC Yep, bombed me out. What level should I upgrade to? Enterprise or ultimate? Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ From Johncliviger at aol.com Tue Jul 28 02:56:14 2009 From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:56:14 EDT Subject: [AccessD] OT FRiday Message-ID: Max You missed out all the charities ! johnc From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 28 07:06:12 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:06:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house Message-ID: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> Well, I finally accomplished it, creating a second WIRED wireless access point at the far end of a cable at my house. I am doing the "responsible parent" thing and creating the public location computer for my kids, out in the living room. Unfortunately the available location was across the room from the cable that I had run for my Windows Media Center PC, so I needed wireless. While I had a wireless access point mid house in the basement directly under my wife's office, by the time the signal got up to the PC in the living room it was just too weak to hold a reliable connection. I have been trying for AGES to get a second access point in the house. It seems so simple, place a second wireless AP (a wireless router) at the far end of the cable and let it broadcast on a different channel. Well.... I had tried and tried and TRIED different things but last night, quite by accident(kinda) I found the solution. The solution in MY CASE was to turn off the SPI firewall, turn off the DHCP server, set the channel to the far end away from the other AP (primary AP on channel 11 and secondary on channel 1), and feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port. To be honest, feeding the WAN port MIGHT work, however once I got it running (which happened feeding it via the router port) I didn't go back and try it. A wireless router has two independent interfaces, each of which requires an IP address to access. However it is the router interface which is used to program the router, and this IP address normally sits at 192.168.0.1. In my case I had changed my address range to 192.168.122.1 to 192.168.122.255. Thus my main router sits at 192.1687.122.1. My second access point had to be modified to be something in the 192.168.122.x range so I put it up at the top end, 192.168.122.149. Thus to program that router (the second AP) I had to now use that address. Though it is hard to tell precisely, I think the key was to turn off the firewall. The radio used to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, which is why I was originally trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not connected to the internet, the SPI firewall is no longer needed. So that is it. I have successfully turned a full on router into a simple wireless access point hanging on the far end of a cable. I have more signal than you can shake a stick at in my living room, and that part of life is good at Colby Manor. -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 07:48:27 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:48:27 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC20@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC20@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <4a6ef401.1818d00a.57f2.0b29@mx.google.com> Good point Darry, worth waiting a few more weeks and then go to W7 I think... Thanks Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: 28 July 2009 05:50 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC Max, Read this before making a choice on which Vista Version. It may save you big bucks. http://windowssecrets.com/2009/07/16/01-Some-versions-of-Windows-7-worth-it- others-not cheers Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 3:43 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC Probably Ultimate, but I use Vista Business. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using a VM/VPC Yep, bombed me out. What level should I upgrade to? Enterprise or ultimate? Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 07:48:27 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:48:27 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT FRiday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a6ef403.1818d00a.57f2.0b30@mx.google.com> Your not meant to actually READ IT....sheesh!! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Johncliviger at aol.com Sent: 28 July 2009 08:56 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT FRiday Max You missed out all the charities ! johnc -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 07:54:07 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:54:07 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> Rocky, I gave up on the Virtual PC side of stuff and I am going to wait for W7 in September and then try again. In the meantime, I have just (literally) finished installing Office 2003 followed by Officer 2007. I had to decide with Outlook I wanted as you cannot have both versions on one system - I opted for 2007. With Access when bouncing from one version to the other, the 2003 loads quickly and the 2007 takes over a minute, but neither appears to have any problems (fingers crossed) co-existing. System: Vista Home Edition with x64 OS Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 28 July 2009 00:28 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Thanks. I think that's what I need. In the meantime, it was a test bed machine with Windows 7 so I just uninstalled 2003 and then 2007 installed. The problem wasn't 2003 but 2007 installing. SO now I'm going to try to install 2003 after 2007 and see if that works. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, Do you mean SKU011? if so, I have some help on how to fix this, but the .cab files you need here http://www.excelyourbusiness.com.au/FormulaHelp.htm#FormulaSKU011 cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 5:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Dear List: I'm trying to install O2007 on a machine that had O2003. During the installation I get a message that SKU111.cab cannot be found on the installation disk and the installation terminates. I believe it has something to do with having 2003 on the machine as well but sku111.cab is not on the O2003 CD. Is there a fix for this? MTIA Rocky ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jul 28 08:03:08 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:03:08 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Max: I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through next March. Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista machine the O3 on WXP. I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based on delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say Word and Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog I won't use it for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not pokey. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, I gave up on the Virtual PC side of stuff and I am going to wait for W7 in September and then try again. In the meantime, I have just (literally) finished installing Office 2003 followed by Officer 2007. I had to decide with Outlook I wanted as you cannot have both versions on one system - I opted for 2007. With Access when bouncing from one version to the other, the 2003 loads quickly and the 2007 takes over a minute, but neither appears to have any problems (fingers crossed) co-existing. System: Vista Home Edition with x64 OS Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 28 July 2009 00:28 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Thanks. I think that's what I need. In the meantime, it was a test bed machine with Windows 7 so I just uninstalled 2003 and then 2007 installed. The problem wasn't 2003 but 2007 installing. SO now I'm going to try to install 2003 after 2007 and see if that works. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, Do you mean SKU011? if so, I have some help on how to fix this, but the .cab files you need here http://www.excelyourbusiness.com.au/FormulaHelp.htm#FormulaSKU011 cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 5:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Dear List: I'm trying to install O2007 on a machine that had O2003. During the installation I get a message that SKU111.cab cannot be found on the installation disk and the installation terminates. I believe it has something to do with having 2003 on the machine as well but sku111.cab is not on the O2003 CD. Is there a fix for this? MTIA Rocky ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 08:09:27 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:09:27 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a6ef8ed.0506d00a.5f04.180b@mx.google.com> Yes, I only want 07 to check stuff out. All my "serious" stuff will stay on 03. I like Outlook 07 though. Haven't much time for the other stuff other than as part of a solution. I will stick with Word, Excel etc in 2003 as I have no desire to waste time looking for simple "events" which were one click away and are now buried underneath a sandstorm of marketing blurb, oops, sorry meant ribbon (ie, red tape). Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 28 July 2009 14:03 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Max: I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through next March. Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista machine the O3 on WXP. I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based on delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say Word and Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog I won't use it for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not pokey. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, I gave up on the Virtual PC side of stuff and I am going to wait for W7 in September and then try again. In the meantime, I have just (literally) finished installing Office 2003 followed by Officer 2007. I had to decide with Outlook I wanted as you cannot have both versions on one system - I opted for 2007. With Access when bouncing from one version to the other, the 2003 loads quickly and the 2007 takes over a minute, but neither appears to have any problems (fingers crossed) co-existing. System: Vista Home Edition with x64 OS Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 28 July 2009 00:28 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Thanks. I think that's what I need. In the meantime, it was a test bed machine with Windows 7 so I just uninstalled 2003 and then 2007 installed. The problem wasn't 2003 but 2007 installing. SO now I'm going to try to install 2003 after 2007 and see if that works. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, Do you mean SKU011? if so, I have some help on how to fix this, but the .cab files you need here http://www.excelyourbusiness.com.au/FormulaHelp.htm#FormulaSKU011 cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 5:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Dear List: I'm trying to install O2007 on a machine that had O2003. During the installation I get a message that SKU111.cab cannot be found on the installation disk and the installation terminates. I believe it has something to do with having 2003 on the machine as well but sku111.cab is not on the O2003 CD. Is there a fix for this? MTIA Rocky ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Jul 28 08:26:41 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:26:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house In-Reply-To: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <> Actually, the key was: <<, and feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port>> The firewall sits in between the WAN interface and the LAN interface. By plugging into the LAN interface, you effectively disabled the firewall. What you've done is turned a router into a repeater. << The radio used to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, which is why I was originally trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not connected to the internet, the SPI firewall is no longer needed.>> This is not the case. The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. Otherwise it would not be protected by the firewall and would be exposed on the public side. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:06 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house Well, I finally accomplished it, creating a second WIRED wireless access point at the far end of a cable at my house. I am doing the "responsible parent" thing and creating the public location computer for my kids, out in the living room. Unfortunately the available location was across the room from the cable that I had run for my Windows Media Center PC, so I needed wireless. While I had a wireless access point mid house in the basement directly under my wife's office, by the time the signal got up to the PC in the living room it was just too weak to hold a reliable connection. I have been trying for AGES to get a second access point in the house. It seems so simple, place a second wireless AP (a wireless router) at the far end of the cable and let it broadcast on a different channel. Well.... I had tried and tried and TRIED different things but last night, quite by accident(kinda) I found the solution. The solution in MY CASE was to turn off the SPI firewall, turn off the DHCP server, set the channel to the far end away from the other AP (primary AP on channel 11 and secondary on channel 1), and feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port. To be honest, feeding the WAN port MIGHT work, however once I got it running (which happened feeding it via the router port) I didn't go back and try it. A wireless router has two independent interfaces, each of which requires an IP address to access. However it is the router interface which is used to program the router, and this IP address normally sits at 192.168.0.1. In my case I had changed my address range to 192.168.122.1 to 192.168.122.255. Thus my main router sits at 192.1687.122.1. My second access point had to be modified to be something in the 192.168.122.x range so I put it up at the top end, 192.168.122.149. Thus to program that router (the second AP) I had to now use that address. Though it is hard to tell precisely, I think the key was to turn off the firewall. The radio used to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, which is why I was originally trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not connected to the internet, the SPI firewall is no longer needed. So that is it. I have successfully turned a full on router into a simple wireless access point hanging on the far end of a cable. I have more signal than you can shake a stick at in my living room, and that part of life is good at Colby Manor. -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 28 08:36:19 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:36:19 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A6EFED3.2050808@colbyconsulting.com> Rocky, Obviously you don't have time to smell the roses. >But O7 is such a dog I won't use it for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not pokey. I'm sorry dear client, but Office 2007 just takes longer to do the development. I will have to charge you megabucks more. ;) You see, Microsoft is looking out for us developers! John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin wrote: > Max: > > I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through next > March. > > Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista > machine the O3 on WXP. > > I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based on > delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say Word and > Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog I won't use it > for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not > pokey. > > Rocky From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 28 08:42:02 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:42:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house In-Reply-To: References: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A6F002A.1050807@colbyconsulting.com> >The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. Otherwise it would not be protected by the firewall and would be exposed on the public side. Ahhhh, good to know. And duhhh, of course. And where were you when I was struggling to get this stuff working? ;) Yep, what I have done is turn an unused router into a repeater, which is what I have been struggling to do for a couple of years now. I was always trying to feed the lan cable into the wan port, which verifiably does NOT work, at least as I have things set up. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Jim Dettman wrote: > < firewall.>> > > Actually, the key was: > > <<, and feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port>> > > The firewall sits in between the WAN interface and the LAN interface. By > plugging into the LAN interface, you effectively disabled the firewall. > > What you've done is turned a router into a repeater. > > << The radio used > to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, which > is why I was originally > trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not > connected to the internet, > the SPI firewall is no longer needed.>> > > This is not the case. The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. > Otherwise it would not be protected by the firewall and would be exposed on > the public side. > > Jim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:06 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house > > Well, I finally accomplished it, creating a second WIRED wireless access > point at the far end of a > cable at my house. > > I am doing the "responsible parent" thing and creating the public location > computer for my kids, out > in the living room. Unfortunately the available location was across the > room from the cable that I > had run for my Windows Media Center PC, so I needed wireless. While I had a > wireless access point > mid house in the basement directly under my wife's office, by the time the > signal got up to the PC > in the living room it was just too weak to hold a reliable connection. > > I have been trying for AGES to get a second access point in the house. It > seems so simple, place a > second wireless AP (a wireless router) at the far end of the cable and let > it broadcast on a > different channel. Well.... I had tried and tried and TRIED different > things but last night, quite > by accident(kinda) I found the solution. > > The solution in MY CASE was to turn off the SPI firewall, turn off the DHCP > server, set the channel > to the far end away from the other AP (primary AP on channel 11 and > secondary on channel 1), and > feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port. To be > honest, feeding the WAN > port MIGHT work, however once I got it running (which happened feeding it > via the router port) I > didn't go back and try it. > > A wireless router has two independent interfaces, each of which requires an > IP address to access. > However it is the router interface which is used to program the router, and > this IP address normally > sits at 192.168.0.1. In my case I had changed my address range to > 192.168.122.1 to 192.168.122.255. > Thus my main router sits at 192.1687.122.1. > > My second access point had to be modified to be something in the > 192.168.122.x range so I put it up > at the top end, 192.168.122.149. Thus to program that router (the second > AP) I had to now use that > address. > > Though it is hard to tell precisely, I think the key was to turn off the > firewall. The radio used > to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, which > is why I was originally > trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not > connected to the internet, > the SPI firewall is no longer needed. > > So that is it. I have successfully turned a full on router into a simple > wireless access point > hanging on the far end of a cable. I have more signal than you can shake a > stick at in my living > room, and that part of life is good at Colby Manor. > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 08:49:28 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:49:28 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house In-Reply-To: <4A6F002A.1050807@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6F002A.1050807@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a6f024f.0702d00a.1d59.23b8@mx.google.com> Surly the wireless signal will ALWAYS be exposed to the public. Regardless of where it is plugged in, it is a wireless transmission that gets broadcast everywhere, is it not? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 28 July 2009 14:42 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house >The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. Otherwise it would not be protected by the firewall and would be exposed on the public side. Ahhhh, good to know. And duhhh, of course. And where were you when I was struggling to get this stuff working? ;) Yep, what I have done is turn an unused router into a repeater, which is what I have been struggling to do for a couple of years now. I was always trying to feed the lan cable into the wan port, which verifiably does NOT work, at least as I have things set up. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Jim Dettman wrote: > < firewall.>> > > Actually, the key was: > > <<, and feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port>> > > The firewall sits in between the WAN interface and the LAN interface. By > plugging into the LAN interface, you effectively disabled the firewall. > > What you've done is turned a router into a repeater. > > << The radio used > to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, which > is why I was originally > trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not > connected to the internet, > the SPI firewall is no longer needed.>> > > This is not the case. The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. > Otherwise it would not be protected by the firewall and would be exposed on > the public side. > > Jim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:06 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house > > Well, I finally accomplished it, creating a second WIRED wireless access > point at the far end of a > cable at my house. > > I am doing the "responsible parent" thing and creating the public location > computer for my kids, out > in the living room. Unfortunately the available location was across the > room from the cable that I > had run for my Windows Media Center PC, so I needed wireless. While I had a > wireless access point > mid house in the basement directly under my wife's office, by the time the > signal got up to the PC > in the living room it was just too weak to hold a reliable connection. > > I have been trying for AGES to get a second access point in the house. It > seems so simple, place a > second wireless AP (a wireless router) at the far end of the cable and let > it broadcast on a > different channel. Well.... I had tried and tried and TRIED different > things but last night, quite > by accident(kinda) I found the solution. > > The solution in MY CASE was to turn off the SPI firewall, turn off the DHCP > server, set the channel > to the far end away from the other AP (primary AP on channel 11 and > secondary on channel 1), and > feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port. To be > honest, feeding the WAN > port MIGHT work, however once I got it running (which happened feeding it > via the router port) I > didn't go back and try it. > > A wireless router has two independent interfaces, each of which requires an > IP address to access. > However it is the router interface which is used to program the router, and > this IP address normally > sits at 192.168.0.1. In my case I had changed my address range to > 192.168.122.1 to 192.168.122.255. > Thus my main router sits at 192.1687.122.1. > > My second access point had to be modified to be something in the > 192.168.122.x range so I put it up > at the top end, 192.168.122.149. Thus to program that router (the second > AP) I had to now use that > address. > > Though it is hard to tell precisely, I think the key was to turn off the > firewall. The radio used > to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, which > is why I was originally > trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not > connected to the internet, > the SPI firewall is no longer needed. > > So that is it. I have successfully turned a full on router into a simple > wireless access point > hanging on the far end of a cable. I have more signal than you can shake a > stick at in my living > room, and that part of life is good at Colby Manor. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 08:51:49 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:51:49 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <4A6EFED3.2050808@colbyconsulting.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> <4A6EFED3.2050808@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a6f02db.0707d00a.2f47.251a@mx.google.com> I like it... Developer: Option 1 - A2003 for x bucks. Option 2 - A2007 for x * x * x bucks Client: And what's the difference in the product? Developer: Option 2 cost 3 times and much and runs 3 times slower - same functionality Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 28 July 2009 14:36 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, Obviously you don't have time to smell the roses. >But O7 is such a dog I won't use it for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not pokey. I'm sorry dear client, but Office 2007 just takes longer to do the development. I will have to charge you megabucks more. ;) You see, Microsoft is looking out for us developers! John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin wrote: > Max: > > I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through next > March. > > Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista > machine the O3 on WXP. > > I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based on > delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say Word and > Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog I won't use it > for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not > pokey. > > Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jul 28 08:54:38 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:54:38 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <4A6EFED3.2050808@colbyconsulting.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> <4A6EFED3.2050808@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <8A5A756E053041A6909AC32FD8C7D8F7@HAL9005> Oh but it's my rose smelling time I'm so jealous of. With '03 I can get to the beach by 3. With '07, forget it! R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:36 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, Obviously you don't have time to smell the roses. >But O7 is such a dog I won't use it for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not pokey. I'm sorry dear client, but Office 2007 just takes longer to do the development. I will have to charge you megabucks more. ;) You see, Microsoft is looking out for us developers! John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin wrote: > Max: > > I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through > next March. > > Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista > machine the O3 on WXP. > > I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based > on delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say > Word and Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog > I won't use it for development. All I have is my time to bill and I > need snappy, not pokey. > > Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca Tue Jul 28 08:58:58 2009 From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:58:58 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <4a6f02db.0707d00a.2f47.251a@mx.google.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> <4A6EFED3.2050808@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f02db.0707d00a.2f47.251a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Max, That's good. Ever thought of a career in Microsoft Marketing or Customer Relations? jack -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:52 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 I like it... Developer: Option 1 - A2003 for x bucks. Option 2 - A2007 for x * x * x bucks Client: And what's the difference in the product? Developer: Option 2 cost 3 times and much and runs 3 times slower - same functionality Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 28 July 2009 14:36 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, Obviously you don't have time to smell the roses. >But O7 is such a dog I won't use it for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not pokey. I'm sorry dear client, but Office 2007 just takes longer to do the development. I will have to charge you megabucks more. ;) You see, Microsoft is looking out for us developers! John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin wrote: > Max: > > I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through next > March. > > Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista > machine the O3 on WXP. > > I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based on > delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say Word and > Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog I won't use it > for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not > pokey. > > Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Jul 28 09:06:38 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:06:38 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house In-Reply-To: <4A6F002A.1050807@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6F002A.1050807@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <6B172DA51F50471FACF50E37248ECE00@XPS> John, << And where were you when I was struggling to get this stuff working? >> Not sure. I think last time you tackled this, you got busy and needed to move onto other things... I have more or less the same setup here; a main router on one side of the house and a wireless router on the other side, which I use as a repeater or WAP (Wireless Access Point). You provided a nice summary of the steps required to get that type of setup working. Anyone thinking of doing this in the future should make a copy of your e-mail. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:42 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house >The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. Otherwise it would not be protected by the firewall and would be exposed on the public side. Ahhhh, good to know. And duhhh, of course. And where were you when I was struggling to get this stuff working? ;) Yep, what I have done is turn an unused router into a repeater, which is what I have been struggling to do for a couple of years now. I was always trying to feed the lan cable into the wan port, which verifiably does NOT work, at least as I have things set up. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Jim Dettman wrote: > < firewall.>> > > Actually, the key was: > > <<, and feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port>> > > The firewall sits in between the WAN interface and the LAN interface. By > plugging into the LAN interface, you effectively disabled the firewall. > > What you've done is turned a router into a repeater. > > << The radio used > to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, which > is why I was originally > trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not > connected to the internet, > the SPI firewall is no longer needed.>> > > This is not the case. The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. > Otherwise it would not be protected by the firewall and would be exposed on > the public side. > > Jim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:06 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house > > Well, I finally accomplished it, creating a second WIRED wireless access > point at the far end of a > cable at my house. > > I am doing the "responsible parent" thing and creating the public location > computer for my kids, out > in the living room. Unfortunately the available location was across the > room from the cable that I > had run for my Windows Media Center PC, so I needed wireless. While I had a > wireless access point > mid house in the basement directly under my wife's office, by the time the > signal got up to the PC > in the living room it was just too weak to hold a reliable connection. > > I have been trying for AGES to get a second access point in the house. It > seems so simple, place a > second wireless AP (a wireless router) at the far end of the cable and let > it broadcast on a > different channel. Well.... I had tried and tried and TRIED different > things but last night, quite > by accident(kinda) I found the solution. > > The solution in MY CASE was to turn off the SPI firewall, turn off the DHCP > server, set the channel > to the far end away from the other AP (primary AP on channel 11 and > secondary on channel 1), and > feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port. To be > honest, feeding the WAN > port MIGHT work, however once I got it running (which happened feeding it > via the router port) I > didn't go back and try it. > > A wireless router has two independent interfaces, each of which requires an > IP address to access. > However it is the router interface which is used to program the router, and > this IP address normally > sits at 192.168.0.1. In my case I had changed my address range to > 192.168.122.1 to 192.168.122.255. > Thus my main router sits at 192.1687.122.1. > > My second access point had to be modified to be something in the > 192.168.122.x range so I put it up > at the top end, 192.168.122.149. Thus to program that router (the second > AP) I had to now use that > address. > > Though it is hard to tell precisely, I think the key was to turn off the > firewall. The radio used > to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, which > is why I was originally > trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not > connected to the internet, > the SPI firewall is no longer needed. > > So that is it. I have successfully turned a full on router into a simple > wireless access point > hanging on the far end of a cable. I have more signal than you can shake a > stick at in my living > room, and that part of life is good at Colby Manor. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Tue Jul 28 09:12:30 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:12:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Simple web project In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30907271436n25f40f5fh5277caee07330acf@mail.gmail.com> References: <002b01ca0a28$d451f130$7cf5d390$@spb.ru><1B6FE550BFA84B93987EF3BF91940CA1@Mattys><4A671E51.1020303@colbyconsulting.com><39cb22f30907221331q3e25367cq40723e3c01962159@mail.gmail.com><4A68504C.3030309@colbyconsulting.com><39cb22f30907261539t7ac46dc4uede3660de28eca33@mail.gmail.com><4A6CF1F3.70403@colbyconsulting.com> <39cb22f30907271436n25f40f5fh5277caee07330acf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Depends on your ISP, or hosting company. Some of the times I've had static IP addresses, I've had only one IP, had to pay extra for more, sometimes, I had several IPs (but only used one). If you are hosting the system yourself, you would need a router that's a little better then your standard home router, to be able to handle multiple incoming IP addresses. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simple web project Drew, I guess my question would be, does that mean you're paying for that additional IP address as if you paid for a completely new domain? Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Drew Wutka wrote: > The 'SomeName' part of SomeName.SomeDomain.com is a reference to another > 'system' on that domain. In network terms, it's another IP address. So > while it could be a whole different machine, it also could just be a > different IP address for the same machine. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 7:17 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Simple web project > > Steve, > > My understanding of the SomeName.SomeDomain.com is that DNN uses exactly > the same process that it > does when you use an actual domain. I will go figure it out. It looked > easy enough and I seem to > remember actually doing it years ago. > > John W. 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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 09:13:48 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:13:48 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> <4A6EFED3.2050808@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f02db.0707d00a.2f47.251a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a6f0804.1c07d00a.584a.2d46@mx.google.com> Nope, do you think they would have me? Rhetorical question, Jack Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and Pat Sent: 28 July 2009 14:59 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Max, That's good. Ever thought of a career in Microsoft Marketing or Customer Relations? jack -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:52 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 I like it... Developer: Option 1 - A2003 for x bucks. Option 2 - A2007 for x * x * x bucks Client: And what's the difference in the product? Developer: Option 2 cost 3 times and much and runs 3 times slower - same functionality Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 28 July 2009 14:36 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, Obviously you don't have time to smell the roses. >But O7 is such a dog I won't use it for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not pokey. I'm sorry dear client, but Office 2007 just takes longer to do the development. I will have to charge you megabucks more. ;) You see, Microsoft is looking out for us developers! John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin wrote: > Max: > > I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through next > March. > > Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista > machine the O3 on WXP. > > I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based on > delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say Word and > Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog I won't use it > for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not > pokey. > > Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Tue Jul 28 09:16:46 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:16:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907271111p5001d37fi338a1aba1e8ed375@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com><4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a69e9f7.0a04d00a.0e25.1af5@mx.google.com> <29f585dd0907271111p5001d37fi338a1aba1e8ed375@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Why is 'dynamically constructed' SQL statements such a sore subject? This is a little bit of a shocker to me. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 1:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? I waited for the second coming of several women in my life, but I digress. This whole line of argument is IMO dangerous, treacherous, distributive of the responsibilty and location of the code, and perhaps a few other adjectives. I know that lots of you don't agree with me, but I will cite this whole thread as evidence in favor of my stance on this. Database code should reside in exactly one place -- the database. Stored procedures, triggers, event schedules, views, roles, security and so on should exist only in the database. Dynamically constructed SQL statements should be cause for the death penalty unless their coders can prove there is no other way to achieve the desired result. Ok. I'm all tuckered out. Just let me recap in one sentence: Everything the database *can* do, the database *should* do. Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. 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Second access point in my house Well, I finally accomplished it, creating a second WIRED wireless access point at the far end of a cable at my house. I am doing the "responsible parent" thing and creating the public location computer for my kids, out in the living room. Unfortunately the available location was across the room from the cable that I had run for my Windows Media Center PC, so I needed wireless. While I had a wireless access point mid house in the basement directly under my wife's office, by the time the signal got up to the PC in the living room it was just too weak to hold a reliable connection. I have been trying for AGES to get a second access point in the house. It seems so simple, place a second wireless AP (a wireless router) at the far end of the cable and let it broadcast on a different channel. Well.... I had tried and tried and TRIED different things but last night, quite by accident(kinda) I found the solution. The solution in MY CASE was to turn off the SPI firewall, turn off the DHCP server, set the channel to the far end away from the other AP (primary AP on channel 11 and secondary on channel 1), and feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port. To be honest, feeding the WAN port MIGHT work, however once I got it running (which happened feeding it via the router port) I didn't go back and try it. A wireless router has two independent interfaces, each of which requires an IP address to access. However it is the router interface which is used to program the router, and this IP address normally sits at 192.168.0.1. In my case I had changed my address range to 192.168.122.1 to 192.168.122.255. Thus my main router sits at 192.1687.122.1. My second access point had to be modified to be something in the 192.168.122.x range so I put it up at the top end, 192.168.122.149. Thus to program that router (the second AP) I had to now use that address. Though it is hard to tell precisely, I think the key was to turn off the firewall. The radio used to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, which is why I was originally trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not connected to the internet, the SPI firewall is no longer needed. So that is it. I have successfully turned a full on router into a simple wireless access point hanging on the far end of a cable. I have more signal than you can shake a stick at in my living room, and that part of life is good at Colby Manor. -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. 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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Tue Jul 28 09:26:21 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:26:21 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You can download the Release Candidate of Windows 7, it should do as well as Vista Home.... and you just have to get a license before next July (I think) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, I gave up on the Virtual PC side of stuff and I am going to wait for W7 in September and then try again. In the meantime, I have just (literally) finished installing Office 2003 followed by Officer 2007. I had to decide with Outlook I wanted as you cannot have both versions on one system - I opted for 2007. With Access when bouncing from one version to the other, the 2003 loads quickly and the 2007 takes over a minute, but neither appears to have any problems (fingers crossed) co-existing. System: Vista Home Edition with x64 OS Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 28 July 2009 00:28 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Thanks. I think that's what I need. In the meantime, it was a test bed machine with Windows 7 so I just uninstalled 2003 and then 2007 installed. The problem wasn't 2003 but 2007 installing. SO now I'm going to try to install 2003 after 2007 and see if that works. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, Do you mean SKU011? if so, I have some help on how to fix this, but the .cab files you need here http://www.excelyourbusiness.com.au/FormulaHelp.htm#FormulaSKU011 cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 5:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Dear List: I'm trying to install O2007 on a machine that had O2003. During the installation I get a message that SKU111.cab cannot be found on the installation disk and the installation terminates. I believe it has something to do with having 2003 on the machine as well but sku111.cab is not on the O2003 CD. Is there a fix for this? MTIA Rocky ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. 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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Tue Jul 28 09:52:45 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:52:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <4a6f02db.0707d00a.2f47.251a@mx.google.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> <4A6EFED3.2050808@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f02db.0707d00a.2f47.251a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: But what about the Ribbon?!?! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:52 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 I like it... Developer: Option 1 - A2003 for x bucks. Option 2 - A2007 for x * x * x bucks Client: And what's the difference in the product? Developer: Option 2 cost 3 times and much and runs 3 times slower - same functionality Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 28 July 2009 14:36 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, Obviously you don't have time to smell the roses. >But O7 is such a dog I won't use it for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not pokey. I'm sorry dear client, but Office 2007 just takes longer to do the development. I will have to charge you megabucks more. ;) You see, Microsoft is looking out for us developers! John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin wrote: > Max: > > I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through next > March. > > Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista > machine the O3 on WXP. > > I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based on > delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say Word and > Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog I won't use it > for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not > pokey. > > Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. 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Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Surly the wireless signal will ALWAYS be exposed to the public. Regardless > of where it is plugged in, it is a wireless transmission that gets broadcast > everywhere, is it not? > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 28 July 2009 14:42 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house > > >The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. Otherwise it would not be > protected by the > firewall and would be exposed on the public side. > > Ahhhh, good to know. And duhhh, of course. > > And where were you when I was struggling to get this stuff working? > > ;) > > Yep, what I have done is turn an unused router into a repeater, which is > what I have been struggling > to do for a couple of years now. I was always trying to feed the lan cable > into the wan port, which > verifiably does NOT work, at least as I have things set up. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Jim Dettman wrote: >> <> firewall.>> >> >> Actually, the key was: >> >> <<, and feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN > port>> >> The firewall sits in between the WAN interface and the LAN interface. > By >> plugging into the LAN interface, you effectively disabled the firewall. >> >> What you've done is turned a router into a repeater. >> >> << The radio used >> to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, > which >> is why I was originally >> trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not >> connected to the internet, >> the SPI firewall is no longer needed.>> >> >> This is not the case. The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. >> Otherwise it would not be protected by the firewall and would be exposed > on >> the public side. >> >> Jim. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:06 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house >> >> Well, I finally accomplished it, creating a second WIRED wireless access >> point at the far end of a >> cable at my house. >> >> I am doing the "responsible parent" thing and creating the public location >> computer for my kids, out >> in the living room. Unfortunately the available location was across the >> room from the cable that I >> had run for my Windows Media Center PC, so I needed wireless. While I had > a >> wireless access point >> mid house in the basement directly under my wife's office, by the time the >> signal got up to the PC >> in the living room it was just too weak to hold a reliable connection. >> >> I have been trying for AGES to get a second access point in the house. It >> seems so simple, place a >> second wireless AP (a wireless router) at the far end of the cable and let >> it broadcast on a >> different channel. Well.... I had tried and tried and TRIED different >> things but last night, quite >> by accident(kinda) I found the solution. >> >> The solution in MY CASE was to turn off the SPI firewall, turn off the > DHCP >> server, set the channel >> to the far end away from the other AP (primary AP on channel 11 and >> secondary on channel 1), and >> feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port. To be >> honest, feeding the WAN >> port MIGHT work, however once I got it running (which happened feeding it >> via the router port) I >> didn't go back and try it. >> >> A wireless router has two independent interfaces, each of which requires > an >> IP address to access. >> However it is the router interface which is used to program the router, > and >> this IP address normally >> sits at 192.168.0.1. In my case I had changed my address range to >> 192.168.122.1 to 192.168.122.255. >> Thus my main router sits at 192.1687.122.1. >> >> My second access point had to be modified to be something in the >> 192.168.122.x range so I put it up >> at the top end, 192.168.122.149. Thus to program that router (the second >> AP) I had to now use that >> address. >> >> Though it is hard to tell precisely, I think the key was to turn off the >> firewall. The radio used >> to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, > which >> is why I was originally >> trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not >> connected to the internet, >> the SPI firewall is no longer needed. >> >> So that is it. I have successfully turned a full on router into a simple >> wireless access point >> hanging on the far end of a cable. I have more signal than you can shake > a >> stick at in my living >> room, and that part of life is good at Colby Manor. >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 28 10:11:55 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:11:55 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <4a6f02db.0707d00a.2f47.251a@mx.google.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> <4A6EFED3.2050808@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f02db.0707d00a.2f47.251a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A6F153B.9060909@colbyconsulting.com> However since Microsoft no longer allows you to buy 2003, you have to pay me 3 times as much. Microsoft is our friend! John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > I like it... > > > Developer: > Option 1 - A2003 for x bucks. > Option 2 - A2007 for x * x * x bucks > > Client: > And what's the difference in the product? > > Developer: > Option 2 cost 3 times and much and runs 3 times slower - same functionality > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 28 July 2009 14:36 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > Rocky, > > Obviously you don't have time to smell the roses. > > >But O7 is such a dog I won't use it for development. All I have is my > time to bill and I need > snappy, not pokey. > > I'm sorry dear client, but Office 2007 just takes longer to do the > development. I will have to > charge you megabucks more. > > ;) > > You see, Microsoft is looking out for us developers! > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Rocky Smolin wrote: >> Max: >> >> I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through next >> March. >> >> Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista >> machine the O3 on WXP. >> >> I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based on >> delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say Word > and >> Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog I won't use > it >> for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not >> pokey. >> >> Rocky > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 28 10:14:16 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:14:16 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> <4A6EFED3.2050808@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f02db.0707d00a.2f47.251a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A6F15C8.3080504@colbyconsulting.com> > But what about the Ribbon?!?! Ahhh... I forgot. THAT makes it ALL worthwhile! ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Drew Wutka wrote: > But what about the Ribbon?!?! > > ;) > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:52 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > I like it... > > > Developer: > Option 1 - A2003 for x bucks. > Option 2 - A2007 for x * x * x bucks > > Client: > And what's the difference in the product? > > Developer: > Option 2 cost 3 times and much and runs 3 times slower - same > functionality > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 28 July 2009 14:36 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > Rocky, > > Obviously you don't have time to smell the roses. > > >But O7 is such a dog I won't use it for development. All I have is my > time to bill and I need > snappy, not pokey. > > I'm sorry dear client, but Office 2007 just takes longer to do the > development. I will have to > charge you megabucks more. > > ;) > > You see, Microsoft is looking out for us developers! > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Rocky Smolin wrote: >> Max: >> >> I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through > next >> March. >> >> Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista >> machine the O3 on WXP. >> >> I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based > on >> delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say > Word > and >> Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog I won't > use > it >> for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not >> pokey. >> >> Rocky > From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Jul 28 10:13:59 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:13:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house In-Reply-To: <4a6f024f.0702d00a.1d59.23b8@mx.google.com> References: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6F002A.1050807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f024f.0702d00a.1d59.23b8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2D227BDC991C4A8EBD204FE29D7B52B2@XPS> Max, The wireless signal is exposed to the public, but it is attached to the private network (LAN) side of a router, which is why it's critical to secure it. Otherwise, anyone driving by your house can hop on your private network. But when I said public, I meant the Internet (WAN) side of the router. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:49 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house Surly the wireless signal will ALWAYS be exposed to the public. Regardless of where it is plugged in, it is a wireless transmission that gets broadcast everywhere, is it not? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 28 July 2009 14:42 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house >The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. Otherwise it would not be protected by the firewall and would be exposed on the public side. Ahhhh, good to know. And duhhh, of course. And where were you when I was struggling to get this stuff working? ;) Yep, what I have done is turn an unused router into a repeater, which is what I have been struggling to do for a couple of years now. I was always trying to feed the lan cable into the wan port, which verifiably does NOT work, at least as I have things set up. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Jim Dettman wrote: > < firewall.>> > > Actually, the key was: > > <<, and feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port>> > > The firewall sits in between the WAN interface and the LAN interface. By > plugging into the LAN interface, you effectively disabled the firewall. > > What you've done is turned a router into a repeater. > > << The radio used > to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, which > is why I was originally > trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not > connected to the internet, > the SPI firewall is no longer needed.>> > > This is not the case. The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. > Otherwise it would not be protected by the firewall and would be exposed on > the public side. > > Jim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:06 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house > > Well, I finally accomplished it, creating a second WIRED wireless access > point at the far end of a > cable at my house. > > I am doing the "responsible parent" thing and creating the public location > computer for my kids, out > in the living room. Unfortunately the available location was across the > room from the cable that I > had run for my Windows Media Center PC, so I needed wireless. While I had a > wireless access point > mid house in the basement directly under my wife's office, by the time the > signal got up to the PC > in the living room it was just too weak to hold a reliable connection. > > I have been trying for AGES to get a second access point in the house. It > seems so simple, place a > second wireless AP (a wireless router) at the far end of the cable and let > it broadcast on a > different channel. Well.... I had tried and tried and TRIED different > things but last night, quite > by accident(kinda) I found the solution. > > The solution in MY CASE was to turn off the SPI firewall, turn off the DHCP > server, set the channel > to the far end away from the other AP (primary AP on channel 11 and > secondary on channel 1), and > feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port. To be > honest, feeding the WAN > port MIGHT work, however once I got it running (which happened feeding it > via the router port) I > didn't go back and try it. > > A wireless router has two independent interfaces, each of which requires an > IP address to access. > However it is the router interface which is used to program the router, and > this IP address normally > sits at 192.168.0.1. In my case I had changed my address range to > 192.168.122.1 to 192.168.122.255. > Thus my main router sits at 192.1687.122.1. > > My second access point had to be modified to be something in the > 192.168.122.x range so I put it up > at the top end, 192.168.122.149. Thus to program that router (the second > AP) I had to now use that > address. > > Though it is hard to tell precisely, I think the key was to turn off the > firewall. The radio used > to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, which > is why I was originally > trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not > connected to the internet, > the SPI firewall is no longer needed. > > So that is it. I have successfully turned a full on router into a simple > wireless access point > hanging on the far end of a cable. I have more signal than you can shake a > stick at in my living > room, and that part of life is good at Colby Manor. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 28 10:15:46 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:15:46 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> <4A6EFED3.2050808@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f02db.0707d00a.2f47.251a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A6F1622.3090209@colbyconsulting.com> BTW we are skating perilously close to MS bashing and Steve might take us behind the woodshed again. ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Drew Wutka wrote: > But what about the Ribbon?!?! > > ;) > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:52 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > I like it... > > > Developer: > Option 1 - A2003 for x bucks. > Option 2 - A2007 for x * x * x bucks > > Client: > And what's the difference in the product? > > Developer: > Option 2 cost 3 times and much and runs 3 times slower - same > functionality > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 28 July 2009 14:36 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > Rocky, > > Obviously you don't have time to smell the roses. > > >But O7 is such a dog I won't use it for development. All I have is my > time to bill and I need > snappy, not pokey. > > I'm sorry dear client, but Office 2007 just takes longer to do the > development. I will have to > charge you megabucks more. > > ;) > > You see, Microsoft is looking out for us developers! > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Rocky Smolin wrote: >> Max: >> >> I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through > next >> March. >> >> Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista >> machine the O3 on WXP. >> >> I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based > on >> delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say > Word > and >> Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog I won't > use > it >> for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not >> pokey. >> >> Rocky > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jul 28 10:27:13 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:27:13 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house In-Reply-To: <2D227BDC991C4A8EBD204FE29D7B52B2@XPS> References: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6F002A.1050807@colbyconsulting.com><4a6f024f.0702d00a.1d59.23b8@mx.google.com> <2D227BDC991C4A8EBD204FE29D7B52B2@XPS> Message-ID: <0D5E08D67F9343CDB4FE651B7A107341@HAL9005> Isn't everybody using wireless encryption? (Actually, as I move about the country with my laptop I see lots of 'unsecured wireless network's on my network list.) Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:14 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house Max, The wireless signal is exposed to the public, but it is attached to the private network (LAN) side of a router, which is why it's critical to secure it. Otherwise, anyone driving by your house can hop on your private network. But when I said public, I meant the Internet (WAN) side of the router. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:49 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house Surly the wireless signal will ALWAYS be exposed to the public. Regardless of where it is plugged in, it is a wireless transmission that gets broadcast everywhere, is it not? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 28 July 2009 14:42 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house >The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. Otherwise it would not be protected by the firewall and would be exposed on the public side. Ahhhh, good to know. And duhhh, of course. And where were you when I was struggling to get this stuff working? ;) Yep, what I have done is turn an unused router into a repeater, which is what I have been struggling to do for a couple of years now. I was always trying to feed the lan cable into the wan port, which verifiably does NOT work, at least as I have things set up. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Jim Dettman wrote: > < the firewall.>> > > Actually, the key was: > > <<, and feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port>> > > The firewall sits in between the WAN interface and the LAN interface. By > plugging into the LAN interface, you effectively disabled the firewall. > > What you've done is turned a router into a repeater. > > << The radio used > to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, which > is why I was originally > trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not > connected to the internet, the SPI firewall is no longer needed.>> > > This is not the case. The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. > Otherwise it would not be protected by the firewall and would be > exposed on > the public side. > > Jim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:06 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house > > Well, I finally accomplished it, creating a second WIRED wireless > access point at the far end of a cable at my house. > > I am doing the "responsible parent" thing and creating the public > location computer for my kids, out in the living room. Unfortunately > the available location was across the room from the cable that I had > run for my Windows Media Center PC, so I needed wireless. While I had a > wireless access point > mid house in the basement directly under my wife's office, by the time > the signal got up to the PC in the living room it was just too weak to > hold a reliable connection. > > I have been trying for AGES to get a second access point in the house. > It seems so simple, place a second wireless AP (a wireless router) at > the far end of the cable and let it broadcast on a different channel. > Well.... I had tried and tried and TRIED different things but last > night, quite by accident(kinda) I found the solution. > > The solution in MY CASE was to turn off the SPI firewall, turn off the DHCP > server, set the channel > to the far end away from the other AP (primary AP on channel 11 and > secondary on channel 1), and feed the data into the AP via the router > ports - NOT the WAN port. To be honest, feeding the WAN port MIGHT > work, however once I got it running (which happened feeding it via the > router port) I didn't go back and try it. > > A wireless router has two independent interfaces, each of which > requires an > IP address to access. > However it is the router interface which is used to program the > router, and > this IP address normally > sits at 192.168.0.1. In my case I had changed my address range to > 192.168.122.1 to 192.168.122.255. > Thus my main router sits at 192.1687.122.1. > > My second access point had to be modified to be something in the > 192.168.122.x range so I put it up at the top end, 192.168.122.149. > Thus to program that router (the second > AP) I had to now use that > address. > > Though it is hard to tell precisely, I think the key was to turn off > the firewall. The radio used to transmit the signal appears to hang > off of the WAN side of the box, which > is why I was originally > trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not > connected to the internet, the SPI firewall is no longer needed. > > So that is it. I have successfully turned a full on router into a > simple wireless access point hanging on the far end of a cable. I > have more signal than you can shake a > stick at in my living > room, and that part of life is good at Colby Manor. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 10:31:57 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:31:57 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house In-Reply-To: <2D227BDC991C4A8EBD204FE29D7B52B2@XPS> References: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6F002A.1050807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f024f.0702d00a.1d59.23b8@mx.google.com> <2D227BDC991C4A8EBD204FE29D7B52B2@XPS> Message-ID: <4a6f1a5e.0702d00a.1fe1.5309@mx.google.com> Yes, but the AP itself has the option to be "open" or "Encoded" access. I often see APs which are "Public" and those which are not - and require a security WEP access code. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: 28 July 2009 16:14 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house Max, The wireless signal is exposed to the public, but it is attached to the private network (LAN) side of a router, which is why it's critical to secure it. Otherwise, anyone driving by your house can hop on your private network. But when I said public, I meant the Internet (WAN) side of the router. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:49 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house Surly the wireless signal will ALWAYS be exposed to the public. Regardless of where it is plugged in, it is a wireless transmission that gets broadcast everywhere, is it not? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 28 July 2009 14:42 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house >The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. Otherwise it would not be protected by the firewall and would be exposed on the public side. Ahhhh, good to know. And duhhh, of course. And where were you when I was struggling to get this stuff working? ;) Yep, what I have done is turn an unused router into a repeater, which is what I have been struggling to do for a couple of years now. I was always trying to feed the lan cable into the wan port, which verifiably does NOT work, at least as I have things set up. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Jim Dettman wrote: > < firewall.>> > > Actually, the key was: > > <<, and feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port>> > > The firewall sits in between the WAN interface and the LAN interface. By > plugging into the LAN interface, you effectively disabled the firewall. > > What you've done is turned a router into a repeater. > > << The radio used > to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, which > is why I was originally > trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not > connected to the internet, > the SPI firewall is no longer needed.>> > > This is not the case. The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. > Otherwise it would not be protected by the firewall and would be exposed on > the public side. > > Jim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:06 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house > > Well, I finally accomplished it, creating a second WIRED wireless access > point at the far end of a > cable at my house. > > I am doing the "responsible parent" thing and creating the public location > computer for my kids, out > in the living room. Unfortunately the available location was across the > room from the cable that I > had run for my Windows Media Center PC, so I needed wireless. While I had a > wireless access point > mid house in the basement directly under my wife's office, by the time the > signal got up to the PC > in the living room it was just too weak to hold a reliable connection. > > I have been trying for AGES to get a second access point in the house. It > seems so simple, place a > second wireless AP (a wireless router) at the far end of the cable and let > it broadcast on a > different channel. Well.... I had tried and tried and TRIED different > things but last night, quite > by accident(kinda) I found the solution. > > The solution in MY CASE was to turn off the SPI firewall, turn off the DHCP > server, set the channel > to the far end away from the other AP (primary AP on channel 11 and > secondary on channel 1), and > feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port. To be > honest, feeding the WAN > port MIGHT work, however once I got it running (which happened feeding it > via the router port) I > didn't go back and try it. > > A wireless router has two independent interfaces, each of which requires an > IP address to access. > However it is the router interface which is used to program the router, and > this IP address normally > sits at 192.168.0.1. In my case I had changed my address range to > 192.168.122.1 to 192.168.122.255. > Thus my main router sits at 192.1687.122.1. > > My second access point had to be modified to be something in the > 192.168.122.x range so I put it up > at the top end, 192.168.122.149. Thus to program that router (the second > AP) I had to now use that > address. > > Though it is hard to tell precisely, I think the key was to turn off the > firewall. The radio used > to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, which > is why I was originally > trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not > connected to the internet, > the SPI firewall is no longer needed. > > So that is it. I have successfully turned a full on router into a simple > wireless access point > hanging on the far end of a cable. I have more signal than you can shake a > stick at in my living > room, and that part of life is good at Colby Manor. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 28 10:36:31 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:36:31 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house In-Reply-To: <0D5E08D67F9343CDB4FE651B7A107341@HAL9005> References: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6F002A.1050807@colbyconsulting.com><4a6f024f.0702d00a.1d59.23b8@mx.google.com> <2D227BDC991C4A8EBD204FE29D7B52B2@XPS> <0D5E08D67F9343CDB4FE651B7A107341@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4A6F1AFF.2030107@colbyconsulting.com> I would estimate that about 60-80% of all wireless connections are unsecured, at least home connections. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin wrote: > Isn't everybody using wireless encryption? (Actually, as I move about the > country with my laptop I see lots of 'unsecured wireless network's on my > network list.) > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:14 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house > > Max, > > The wireless signal is exposed to the public, but it is attached to the > private network (LAN) side of a router, which is why it's critical to secure > it. Otherwise, anyone driving by your house can hop on your private > network. > > But when I said public, I meant the Internet (WAN) side of the router. > > Jim. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 10:36:08 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:36:08 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <4A6F15C8.3080504@colbyconsulting.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> <4A6EFED3.2050808@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f02db.0707d00a.2f47.251a@mx.google.com> <4A6F15C8.3080504@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a6f1b58.1818d00a.57f2.576d@mx.google.com> That's just red tape anyway.... Max Ps. And FWIW I love MS's software. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 28 July 2009 16:14 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > But what about the Ribbon?!?! Ahhh... I forgot. THAT makes it ALL worthwhile! ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Drew Wutka wrote: > But what about the Ribbon?!?! > > ;) > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:52 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > I like it... > > > Developer: > Option 1 - A2003 for x bucks. > Option 2 - A2007 for x * x * x bucks > > Client: > And what's the difference in the product? > > Developer: > Option 2 cost 3 times and much and runs 3 times slower - same > functionality > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 28 July 2009 14:36 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > Rocky, > > Obviously you don't have time to smell the roses. > > >But O7 is such a dog I won't use it for development. All I have is my > time to bill and I need > snappy, not pokey. > > I'm sorry dear client, but Office 2007 just takes longer to do the > development. I will have to > charge you megabucks more. > > ;) > > You see, Microsoft is looking out for us developers! > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Rocky Smolin wrote: >> Max: >> >> I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through > next >> March. >> >> Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista >> machine the O3 on WXP. >> >> I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based > on >> delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say > Word > and >> Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog I won't > use > it >> for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not >> pokey. >> >> Rocky > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 10:36:08 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:36:08 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house In-Reply-To: <4A6F14E9.7060205@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6F002A.1050807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f024f.0702d00a.1d59.23b8@mx.google.com> <4A6F14E9.7060205@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a6f1b5a.1818d00a.57f2.576f@mx.google.com> Yes, got it now. Thanks Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 28 July 2009 16:11 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house I think he was saying that it would be exposed to the INTERNET. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Surly the wireless signal will ALWAYS be exposed to the public. Regardless > of where it is plugged in, it is a wireless transmission that gets broadcast > everywhere, is it not? > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 28 July 2009 14:42 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house > > >The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. Otherwise it would not be > protected by the > firewall and would be exposed on the public side. > > Ahhhh, good to know. And duhhh, of course. > > And where were you when I was struggling to get this stuff working? > > ;) > > Yep, what I have done is turn an unused router into a repeater, which is > what I have been struggling > to do for a couple of years now. I was always trying to feed the lan cable > into the wan port, which > verifiably does NOT work, at least as I have things set up. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Jim Dettman wrote: >> <> firewall.>> >> >> Actually, the key was: >> >> <<, and feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN > port>> >> The firewall sits in between the WAN interface and the LAN interface. > By >> plugging into the LAN interface, you effectively disabled the firewall. >> >> What you've done is turned a router into a repeater. >> >> << The radio used >> to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, > which >> is why I was originally >> trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not >> connected to the internet, >> the SPI firewall is no longer needed.>> >> >> This is not the case. The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. >> Otherwise it would not be protected by the firewall and would be exposed > on >> the public side. >> >> Jim. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:06 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house >> >> Well, I finally accomplished it, creating a second WIRED wireless access >> point at the far end of a >> cable at my house. >> >> I am doing the "responsible parent" thing and creating the public location >> computer for my kids, out >> in the living room. Unfortunately the available location was across the >> room from the cable that I >> had run for my Windows Media Center PC, so I needed wireless. While I had > a >> wireless access point >> mid house in the basement directly under my wife's office, by the time the >> signal got up to the PC >> in the living room it was just too weak to hold a reliable connection. >> >> I have been trying for AGES to get a second access point in the house. It >> seems so simple, place a >> second wireless AP (a wireless router) at the far end of the cable and let >> it broadcast on a >> different channel. Well.... I had tried and tried and TRIED different >> things but last night, quite >> by accident(kinda) I found the solution. >> >> The solution in MY CASE was to turn off the SPI firewall, turn off the > DHCP >> server, set the channel >> to the far end away from the other AP (primary AP on channel 11 and >> secondary on channel 1), and >> feed the data into the AP via the router ports - NOT the WAN port. To be >> honest, feeding the WAN >> port MIGHT work, however once I got it running (which happened feeding it >> via the router port) I >> didn't go back and try it. >> >> A wireless router has two independent interfaces, each of which requires > an >> IP address to access. >> However it is the router interface which is used to program the router, > and >> this IP address normally >> sits at 192.168.0.1. In my case I had changed my address range to >> 192.168.122.1 to 192.168.122.255. >> Thus my main router sits at 192.1687.122.1. >> >> My second access point had to be modified to be something in the >> 192.168.122.x range so I put it up >> at the top end, 192.168.122.149. Thus to program that router (the second >> AP) I had to now use that >> address. >> >> Though it is hard to tell precisely, I think the key was to turn off the >> firewall. The radio used >> to transmit the signal appears to hang off of the WAN side of the box, > which >> is why I was originally >> trying to feed the signal into the wan port, but with the wan side not >> connected to the internet, >> the SPI firewall is no longer needed. >> >> So that is it. I have successfully turned a full on router into a simple >> wireless access point >> hanging on the far end of a cable. I have more signal than you can shake > a >> stick at in my living >> room, and that part of life is good at Colby Manor. >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 10:42:33 2009 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:42:33 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house In-Reply-To: <4A6F1AFF.2030107@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6F002A.1050807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f024f.0702d00a.1d59.23b8@mx.google.com> <2D227BDC991C4A8EBD204FE29D7B52B2@XPS> <0D5E08D67F9343CDB4FE651B7A107341@HAL9005> <4A6F1AFF.2030107@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0907280842m39a175dbyaec71ba193d6e807@mail.gmail.com> Interesting. From my experience trying to pick up a free connection in Vancouver, Canada, I would say that about 90% of home connections are now secured. There's been a huge change in the last couple of years. Maybe Canadians are just paranoid. Doug Steele On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:36 AM, jwcolby wrote: > I would estimate that about 60-80% of all wireless connections are > unsecured, at least home connections. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Tue Jul 28 10:44:20 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:44:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house In-Reply-To: <4A6F14E9.7060205@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6F002A.1050807@colbyconsulting.com><4a6f024f.0702d00a.1d59.23b8@mx.google.com> <4A6F14E9.7060205@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: And we all know what happens when you expose yourself to the internet..... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:11 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house I think he was saying that it would be exposed to the INTERNET. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Surly the wireless signal will ALWAYS be exposed to the public. Regardless > of where it is plugged in, it is a wireless transmission that gets broadcast > everywhere, is it not? > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 28 July 2009 14:42 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house > > >The wireless signal is always off the LAN side. Otherwise it would not be > protected by the > firewall and would be exposed on the public side. > > Ahhhh, good to know. 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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Tue Jul 28 10:47:27 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:47:27 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC12@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com><20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com><4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com> <49EF7BC3AC2B44E6BFE8C573686E6735@AB><4A6A5E01.7030506@colbyconsulting.com> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC12@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: The object models are different, so it's reasonable that the language would be implemented differently, especially since separate teams worked to develop each version. It took a while for them to bring some of the apps over from the Mac and they bought others. On the other hand, that's how other suites have been created, so it isn't just Microsoft. I remember when Lotus came out with Symphony, which was built all of a piece and drove me nuts! Give me good individual programs any day. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:45 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 I think a big part of the issue is Office was never originally an integrated product, rather a collection of software bundled up. It sort of grew into a suite of applications over time, but early on they were all totally separate apps each built with their own idiosyncrasies. That DNA is still lurking under the hood today. Even in VBA, Excel VBA is rather different than Access VBA to achieve the same thing. cheers Darryl. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 10:47:38 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:47:38 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0907280842m39a175dbyaec71ba193d6e807@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6F002A.1050807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f024f.0702d00a.1d59.23b8@mx.google.com> <2D227BDC991C4A8EBD204FE29D7B52B2@XPS> <0D5E08D67F9343CDB4FE651B7A107341@HAL9005> <4A6F1AFF.2030107@colbyconsulting.com> <4dd71a0c0907280842m39a175dbyaec71ba193d6e807@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a6f1e1f.0707d00a.02d3.0c46@mx.google.com> Probably your name that done it, Doug. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: 28 July 2009 16:43 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house Interesting. From my experience trying to pick up a free connection in Vancouver, Canada, I would say that about 90% of home connections are now secured. There's been a huge change in the last couple of years. Maybe Canadians are just paranoid. Doug Steele On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:36 AM, jwcolby wrote: > I would estimate that about 60-80% of all wireless connections are > unsecured, at least home connections. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Tue Jul 28 10:51:20 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:51:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <4a6f1b58.1818d00a.57f2.576d@mx.google.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> <4A6EFED3.2050808@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f02db.0707d00a.2f47.251a@mx.google.com> <4A6F15C8.3080504@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f1b58.1818d00a.57f2.576d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That Furling Ribbon ;-( -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:36 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 That's just red tape anyway.... Max Ps. And FWIW I love MS's software. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 28 July 2009 16:14 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > But what about the Ribbon?!?! Ahhh... I forgot. THAT makes it ALL worthwhile! ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Drew Wutka wrote: > But what about the Ribbon?!?! > > ;) > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:52 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > I like it... > > > Developer: > Option 1 - A2003 for x bucks. > Option 2 - A2007 for x * x * x bucks > > Client: > And what's the difference in the product? > > Developer: > Option 2 cost 3 times and much and runs 3 times slower - same > functionality > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 28 July 2009 14:36 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > Rocky, > > Obviously you don't have time to smell the roses. > > >But O7 is such a dog I won't use it for development. All I have is my > time to bill and I need > snappy, not pokey. > > I'm sorry dear client, but Office 2007 just takes longer to do the > development. I will have to > charge you megabucks more. > > ;) > > You see, Microsoft is looking out for us developers! > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Rocky Smolin wrote: >> Max: >> >> I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through > next >> March. >> >> Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista >> machine the O3 on WXP. >> >> I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based > on >> delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say > Word > and >> Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog I won't > use > it >> for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not >> pokey. >> >> Rocky > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 10:56:42 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:56:42 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] F'n 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <8786a4c00907241111n4c6d82ecr85aeb6db2d8b04c2@mail.gmail.com><20090724135445.92BD7B20C05@mail.sgmeet.com><4A6A0F17.7000102@colbyconsulting.com> <49EF7BC3AC2B44E6BFE8C573686E6735@AB><4A6A5E01.7030506@colbyconsulting.com> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC12@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <4a6f2034.0a1ad00a.4cc4.42ed@mx.google.com> >> Give me good individual programs any day Ok, how much will you pay for it? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 28 July 2009 16:47 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 The object models are different, so it's reasonable that the language would be implemented differently, especially since separate teams worked to develop each version. It took a while for them to bring some of the apps over from the Mac and they bought others. On the other hand, that's how other suites have been created, so it isn't just Microsoft. I remember when Lotus came out with Symphony, which was built all of a piece and drove me nuts! Give me good individual programs any day. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:45 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] F'n 2007 I think a big part of the issue is Office was never originally an integrated product, rather a collection of software bundled up. It sort of grew into a suite of applications over time, but early on they were all totally separate apps each built with their own idiosyncrasies. That DNA is still lurking under the hood today. Even in VBA, Excel VBA is rather different than Access VBA to achieve the same thing. cheers Darryl. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 11:08:07 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:08:07 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC1D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> <4a6ef55a.1c07d00a.56ca.0ff5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a6f22f8.0508d00a.56d7.1654@mx.google.com> Yes, here is the URL: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/download.aspx read this;;; Watch the calendar. The RC will expire on June 1, 2010. Starting on March 1, 2010, your PC will begin shutting down every two hours. Windows will notify you two weeks before the bi-hourly shutdowns start. To avoid interruption, you'll need to install a non-expired version of Windows before March 1, 2010. You'll also need to install the programs and data that you want to use Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 28 July 2009 15:26 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 You can download the Release Candidate of Windows 7, it should do as well as Vista Home.... and you just have to get a license before next July (I think) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, I gave up on the Virtual PC side of stuff and I am going to wait for W7 in September and then try again. In the meantime, I have just (literally) finished installing Office 2003 followed by Officer 2007. I had to decide with Outlook I wanted as you cannot have both versions on one system - I opted for 2007. With Access when bouncing from one version to the other, the 2003 loads quickly and the 2007 takes over a minute, but neither appears to have any problems (fingers crossed) co-existing. System: Vista Home Edition with x64 OS Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 28 July 2009 00:28 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Thanks. I think that's what I need. In the meantime, it was a test bed machine with Windows 7 so I just uninstalled 2003 and then 2007 installed. The problem wasn't 2003 but 2007 installing. SO now I'm going to try to install 2003 after 2007 and see if that works. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, Do you mean SKU011? if so, I have some help on how to fix this, but the .cab files you need here http://www.excelyourbusiness.com.au/FormulaHelp.htm#FormulaSKU011 cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 5:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Dear List: I'm trying to install O2007 on a machine that had O2003. During the installation I get a message that SKU111.cab cannot be found on the installation disk and the installation terminates. I believe it has something to do with having 2003 on the machine as well but sku111.cab is not on the O2003 CD. Is there a fix for this? MTIA Rocky ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 11:36:31 2009 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:36:31 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house In-Reply-To: <4a6f1e1f.0707d00a.02d3.0c46@mx.google.com> References: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6F002A.1050807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f024f.0702d00a.1d59.23b8@mx.google.com> <2D227BDC991C4A8EBD204FE29D7B52B2@XPS> <0D5E08D67F9343CDB4FE651B7A107341@HAL9005> <4A6F1AFF.2030107@colbyconsulting.com> <4dd71a0c0907280842m39a175dbyaec71ba193d6e807@mail.gmail.com> <4a6f1e1f.0707d00a.02d3.0c46@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0907280936pdb51309y9ecf5fad093d6016@mail.gmail.com> You think I would have had more luck if my name was Doug Borrow? On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Probably your name that done it, Doug. > > > Max > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 11:42:58 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:42:58 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0907280936pdb51309y9ecf5fad093d6016@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A6EE9B4.3090604@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6F002A.1050807@colbyconsulting.com> <4a6f024f.0702d00a.1d59.23b8@mx.google.com> <2D227BDC991C4A8EBD204FE29D7B52B2@XPS> <0D5E08D67F9343CDB4FE651B7A107341@HAL9005> <4A6F1AFF.2030107@colbyconsulting.com> <4dd71a0c0907280842m39a175dbyaec71ba193d6e807@mail.gmail.com> <4a6f1e1f.0707d00a.02d3.0c46@mx.google.com> <4dd71a0c0907280936pdb51309y9ecf5fad093d6016@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a6f2b0d.0508d00a.4cb8.379c@mx.google.com> LOL, Might do... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: 28 July 2009 17:37 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Finally! Second access point in my house You think I would have had more luck if my name was Doug Borrow? On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Probably your name that done it, Doug. > > > Max > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 12:05:36 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:05:36 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com> <4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4a69e9f7.0a04d00a.0e25.1af5@mx.google.com> <29f585dd0907271111p5001d37fi338a1aba1e8ed375@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907281005m5b6c2d12yddef10f4282ef9fd@mail.gmail.com> Because it opens its self up to SQL injection. Also dynamic SQL isn't optimized. On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Drew Wutka wrote: > Why is 'dynamically constructed' SQL statements such a sore subject? > > This is a little bit of a shocker to me. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 1:12 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? > > I waited for the second coming of several women in my life, but I > digress. > > This whole line of argument is IMO dangerous, treacherous, distributive > of > the responsibilty and location of the code, and perhaps a few other > adjectives. I know that lots of you don't agree with me, but I will cite > this whole thread as evidence in favor of my stance on this. > > Database code should reside in exactly one place -- the database. Stored > procedures, triggers, event schedules, views, roles, security and so on > should exist only in the database. Dynamically constructed SQL > statements > should be cause for the death penalty unless their coders can prove > there is > no other way to achieve the desired result. > > Ok. I'm all tuckered out. Just let me recap in one sentence: Everything > the > database *can* do, the database *should* do. > > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI > Business > Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > the sender > immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or > hard copy. > You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, > dissemination, > or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information > by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 28 14:36:57 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:36:57 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization Message-ID: <4A6F5359.4040003@colbyconsulting.com> Access2003 - Access 2007 is taking about 2 minutes 40 seconds on my virtual machine on my laptop. t7200 dual core 2 ghz with 4 gigs of ram. One gig and one cpu assigned to the vm. -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 15:07:59 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:07:59 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F469@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907281307n57f5a263w5f443aef85d1742@mail.gmail.com> Forget about this path, my friend, and instead go with a VM manager of your choice. Trusting MS to take care of these problems is IMO seppuku. Do not go there! Create a VM for every version of everything you want to run, and proceed from there. Isolated spaces = no brain-drain. A. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Yeah, I saw that so I uninstalled 2003 and then the 2007 installation went > OK. So now I'm going to try to install 2003 AFTER 2007 and see if I can > get > away with that. > > Anther forum had a reference to O2003 SP2 installation doing away with the > hidden cab files. > From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Jul 28 15:17:07 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:17:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907281307n57f5a263w5f443aef85d1742@mail.gmail.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F469@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <29f585dd0907281307n57f5a263w5f443aef85d1742@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1E93AAEDD4E4414792AF3A415ACA2B93@XPS> No real world testing though either..... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:08 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Forget about this path, my friend, and instead go with a VM manager of your choice. Trusting MS to take care of these problems is IMO seppuku. Do not go there! Create a VM for every version of everything you want to run, and proceed from there. Isolated spaces = no brain-drain. A. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Yeah, I saw that so I uninstalled 2003 and then the 2007 installation went > OK. So now I'm going to try to install 2003 AFTER 2007 and see if I can > get > away with that. > > Anther forum had a reference to O2003 SP2 installation doing away with the > hidden cab files. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 15:17:10 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:17:10 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907281307n57f5a263w5f443aef85d1742@mail.gmail.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F469@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <29f585dd0907281307n57f5a263w5f443aef85d1742@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a6f5d32.0508d00a.385d.259e@mx.google.com> Have you a URL Arthur? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 28 July 2009 21:08 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Forget about this path, my friend, and instead go with a VM manager of your choice. Trusting MS to take care of these problems is IMO seppuku. Do not go there! Create a VM for every version of everything you want to run, and proceed from there. Isolated spaces = no brain-drain. A. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Yeah, I saw that so I uninstalled 2003 and then the 2007 installation went > OK. So now I'm going to try to install 2003 AFTER 2007 and see if I can > get > away with that. > > Anther forum had a reference to O2003 SP2 installation doing away with the > hidden cab files. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Tue Jul 28 15:24:24 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:24:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00907281005m5b6c2d12yddef10f4282ef9fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com><4A69A56E.18914.8387D73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a69e9f7.0a04d00a.0e25.1af5@mx.google.com><29f585dd0907271111p5001d37fi338a1aba1e8ed375@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907281005m5b6c2d12yddef10f4282ef9fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I see. Did you realize that Access doesn't allow for a SQL comment character? That eliminates a SQL Injection threat, unless the code is VERY VERY poorly written. I realize the optimization issue, but in my experience, my SQL rarely needs a speed boost. I guess I'm curious, because I tend to build class structured business logic, and it just makes more sense to have the SQL in the classes to make them more flexible.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 12:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? Because it opens its self up to SQL injection. Also dynamic SQL isn't optimized. On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Drew Wutka wrote: > Why is 'dynamically constructed' SQL statements such a sore subject? > > This is a little bit of a shocker to me. > > Drew > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Jul 28 15:59:12 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:59:12 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00907281005m5b6c2d12yddef10f4282ef9fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com>, , <8786a4c00907281005m5b6c2d12yddef10f4282ef9fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6F66A0.26795.1EB32AE7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I keep hearing this same old mantras: 1. Dynamic construction = SQL injection. Cr*p! ( if you'll pardon my french) Dynamic construction = SQL injection IF AND ONLY IF: a. You take text input from your user as part of the construction b. You do not sanitize the text. There's no way that you are exposed to SQL injection if you base your SQL statement on such the current content of OptionBoxes, ListLimited ComboBoxes, selections in Listboxes etc,ect. 2. Dynaic SQL isn't optimised. Big deal! Design your indexes properly and what's the real performance difference between: "myProcedure Param1, Param2, Param3" and "Select ,,,,,, from myTable where .. Param1 and .... Param2 ,,,, and Param3 order by ....." -- Stuart On 28 Jul 2009 at 10:05, David McAfee wrote: > Because it opens its self up to SQL injection. > > Also dynamic SQL isn't optimized. > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Drew Wutka wrote: > > > Why is 'dynamically constructed' SQL statements such a sore subject? > > > > This is a little bit of a shocker to me. From miscellany at mvps.org Tue Jul 28 16:13:15 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:13:15 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization In-Reply-To: <4A6F5359.4040003@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6F5359.4040003@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <622B447483E8417B8F542A16F3D9E37F@stevePC> Hi John, And you're running Access 2007 SP2? Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "jwcolby" Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:36 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization > Access2003 - Access 2007 is taking about 2 minutes 40 seconds on my > virtual machine on my laptop. > t7200 dual core 2 ghz with 4 gigs of ram. One gig and one cpu assigned to > the vm. > From pharold at proftesting.com Tue Jul 28 16:29:54 2009 From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:29:54 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Office Discount for US Students -The Ultimate Steal- Office 2007 Software for $59.95 In-Reply-To: <4A6A69CB.5060903@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com> <4A6A69CB.5060903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Cheap junk is still as much junk as expensive junk. Only you saved some cash. Perry -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:11 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Office Discount for US Students -The Ultimate Steal- Office 2007 Software for $59.95 LOL, if you are interested in a cheap price for a rather barbaric collection of trash. And 2007 at that. But a good price none the less. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com jwcolby wrote: > Rather a good deal for anyone eligible. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-us/default > .aspx -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 16:35:14 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:35:14 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: <4A6F66A0.26795.1EB32AE7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907281005m5b6c2d12yddef10f4282ef9fd@mail.gmail.com> <4A6F66A0.26795.1EB32AE7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907281435v3a2e1ea8v8b58f1c0ee830de3@mail.gmail.com> True, but I'd say most (but not all) people that are using dynamic SQL aren't sanitizing their inputs from users. If the front end is designed to only use listboxes and list limited comboboxes, then why not send only their numeric IDs as stored procedure input parameters? It would be a lot less data going back to the server. Drew was just asking why 'dynamically constructed' SQL statement is such a sore subject. On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I keep hearing this same old mantras: > > 1. Dynamic construction = SQL injection. > > Cr*p! ( if you'll pardon my french) > > Dynamic construction = SQL injection IF AND ONLY IF: > > a. You take text input from your user as part of the construction > b. You do not sanitize the text. > > There's no way that you are exposed to SQL injection if you base your SQL > statement on > such the current content of OptionBoxes, ListLimited ComboBoxes, selections > in Listboxes > etc,ect. > > 2. Dynaic SQL isn't optimised. > > Big deal! > > Design your indexes properly and what's the real performance difference > between: > > "myProcedure Param1, Param2, Param3" > and > "Select ,,,,,, from myTable where .. Param1 and .... Param2 ,,,, and Param3 > order by ....." > > > -- > Stuart > > On 28 Jul 2009 at 10:05, David McAfee wrote: > > > Because it opens its self up to SQL injection. > > > > Also dynamic SQL isn't optimized. > > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Drew Wutka wrote: > > > > > Why is 'dynamically constructed' SQL statements such a sore subject? > > > > > > This is a little bit of a shocker to me. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 28 16:48:02 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:48:02 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907281307n57f5a263w5f443aef85d1742@mail.gmail.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F469@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <29f585dd0907281307n57f5a263w5f443aef85d1742@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6F7212.3010401@colbyconsulting.com> Easy to say Arthur, not so easy to do when new to VMs. You are of course correct in your statement. And once you are up on VMs it is a huge tool. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Arthur Fuller wrote: > Forget about this path, my friend, and instead go with a VM manager of your > choice. Trusting MS to take care of these problems is IMO seppuku. Do not go > there! Create a VM for every version of everything you want to run, and > proceed from there. Isolated spaces = no brain-drain. > > A. > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Yeah, I saw that so I uninstalled 2003 and then the 2007 installation went >> OK. So now I'm going to try to install 2003 AFTER 2007 and see if I can >> get >> away with that. >> >> Anther forum had a reference to O2003 SP2 installation doing away with the >> hidden cab files. >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Jul 28 16:49:35 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:49:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization In-Reply-To: <622B447483E8417B8F542A16F3D9E37F@stevePC> References: <4A6F5359.4040003@colbyconsulting.com> <622B447483E8417B8F542A16F3D9E37F@stevePC> Message-ID: <4A6F726F.1000007@colbyconsulting.com> Well there's a good question. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Steve Schapel wrote: > Hi John, > > And you're running Access 2007 SP2? > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "jwcolby" > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:36 AM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization > >> Access2003 - Access 2007 is taking about 2 minutes 40 seconds on my >> virtual machine on my laptop. >> t7200 dual core 2 ghz with 4 gigs of ram. One gig and one cpu assigned to >> the vm. >> > > From miscellany at mvps.org Tue Jul 28 16:53:58 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:53:58 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization In-Reply-To: <4A6F5359.4040003@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6F5359.4040003@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <6856B6089E2549BFA012F176D2F122B3@stevePC> Hi John, And you're running Access 2007 SP2? Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "jwcolby" Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:36 AM > Access2003 - Access 2007 is taking about 2 minutes 40 seconds on my > virtual machine on my laptop. > t7200 dual core 2 ghz with 4 gigs of ram. One gig and one cpu assigned to > the vm. > From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Tue Jul 28 17:13:49 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:13:49 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: <4A6F66A0.26795.1EB32AE7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com>, , <8786a4c00907281005m5b6c2d12yddef10f4282ef9fd@mail.gmail.com> <4A6F66A0.26795.1EB32AE7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I was thinking along the same lines with both of your statements here. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 3:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? I keep hearing this same old mantras: 1. Dynamic construction = SQL injection. Cr*p! ( if you'll pardon my french) Dynamic construction = SQL injection IF AND ONLY IF: a. You take text input from your user as part of the construction b. You do not sanitize the text. There's no way that you are exposed to SQL injection if you base your SQL statement on such the current content of OptionBoxes, ListLimited ComboBoxes, selections in Listboxes etc,ect. 2. Dynaic SQL isn't optimised. Big deal! Design your indexes properly and what's the real performance difference between: "myProcedure Param1, Param2, Param3" and "Select ,,,,,, from myTable where .. Param1 and .... Param2 ,,,, and Param3 order by ....." -- Stuart On 28 Jul 2009 at 10:05, David McAfee wrote: > Because it opens its self up to SQL injection. > > Also dynamic SQL isn't optimized. > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Drew Wutka wrote: > > > Why is 'dynamically constructed' SQL statements such a sore subject? > > > > This is a little bit of a shocker to me. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Tue Jul 28 17:17:25 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:17:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00907281435v3a2e1ea8v8b58f1c0ee830de3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com><8786a4c00907281005m5b6c2d12yddef10f4282ef9fd@mail.gmail.com><4A6F66A0.26795.1EB32AE7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <8786a4c00907281435v3a2e1ea8v8b58f1c0ee830de3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I did ask. List has been quiet lately though! LOL As a side note on here, several of the interfaces I design have no typable user input. Clicking options, and dedicated lists are about it. However, the real crunch is that so many systems may have more then just the WHERE statement needing to be set. Sometimes I'm pulling different joins or even fields. Before this turns into a battle, I am not saying there is anything wrong with storing SQL and everything you want in the db itself. It will definitely be optimized and secured. But not all situations fit that bill very well. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:35 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? True, but I'd say most (but not all) people that are using dynamic SQL aren't sanitizing their inputs from users. If the front end is designed to only use listboxes and list limited comboboxes, then why not send only their numeric IDs as stored procedure input parameters? It would be a lot less data going back to the server. Drew was just asking why 'dynamically constructed' SQL statement is such a sore subject. On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I keep hearing this same old mantras: > > 1. Dynamic construction = SQL injection. > > Cr*p! ( if you'll pardon my french) > > Dynamic construction = SQL injection IF AND ONLY IF: > > a. You take text input from your user as part of the construction > b. You do not sanitize the text. > > There's no way that you are exposed to SQL injection if you base your SQL > statement on > such the current content of OptionBoxes, ListLimited ComboBoxes, selections > in Listboxes > etc,ect. > > 2. Dynaic SQL isn't optimised. > > Big deal! > > Design your indexes properly and what's the real performance difference > between: > > "myProcedure Param1, Param2, Param3" > and > "Select ,,,,,, from myTable where .. Param1 and .... Param2 ,,,, and Param3 > order by ....." > > > -- > Stuart > > On 28 Jul 2009 at 10:05, David McAfee wrote: > > > Because it opens its self up to SQL injection. > > > > Also dynamic SQL isn't optimized. > > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Drew Wutka wrote: > > > > > Why is 'dynamically constructed' SQL statements such a sore subject? > > > > > > This is a little bit of a shocker to me. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Tue Jul 28 17:23:09 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:23:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <4A6F7212.3010401@colbyconsulting.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F469@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <29f585dd0907281307n57f5a263w5f443aef85d1742@mail.gmail.com> <4A6F7212.3010401@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Yep, I do the same with OSes. I have the following prebuilt into .vhd files (VPC/Virtual Server 'virtual hard drives'): Dos 6.22 (8 megs) NT4 Server (1 gig) NT4 Workstation (415 megs) Windows 7 (6 gigs) Windows 95 (323 megs) Windows 98 (235 megs (isn't it odd that it's the smallest 'windows' OS?)) Windows 2000 Pro (2.8 gigs) Windows 2000 Server (2.5 gigs (odd that the server is smaller then the Pro version...) Windows 2003 (3.8 gigs) Windows Vista (10.9 gigs ) Windows XP (2.1 gigs) All of these are sitting in a folder on my desktop at work, my work laptop, and our virtual server. Need a system, just copy the HD. I did find out the other day, however, that there is an issue with the SSID created during the initial installation, where trying to run multiple 'copies' of the OS on the same network creates some authentication issues. Found a free little utility that lets you create a new random SSID. I also have a 'Development' environment VM which has all my typical development tools installed and setup the way I like it. It's an XP OS, and have it copied to a few places, so if I lose a machine, I can bring it up in a virtual environment in a pinch. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:48 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Easy to say Arthur, not so easy to do when new to VMs. You are of course correct in your statement. And once you are up on VMs it is a huge tool. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Arthur Fuller wrote: > Forget about this path, my friend, and instead go with a VM manager of your > choice. Trusting MS to take care of these problems is IMO seppuku. Do not go > there! Create a VM for every version of everything you want to run, and > proceed from there. Isolated spaces = no brain-drain. > > A. > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Yeah, I saw that so I uninstalled 2003 and then the 2007 installation went >> OK. So now I'm going to try to install 2003 AFTER 2007 and see if I can >> get >> away with that. >> >> Anther forum had a reference to O2003 SP2 installation doing away with the >> hidden cab files. >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jul 28 22:10:27 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:10:27 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <4A6F7212.3010401@colbyconsulting.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F469@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <29f585dd0907281307n57f5a263w5f443aef85d1742@mail.gmail.com> <4A6F7212.3010401@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4E214B2DC64D47EBBD34039435573BDD@HAL9005> I implemented VPC on my Vista box. It was OK. Didn't really float my boat. But it was dead simple. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:48 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Easy to say Arthur, not so easy to do when new to VMs. You are of course correct in your statement. And once you are up on VMs it is a huge tool. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Arthur Fuller wrote: > Forget about this path, my friend, and instead go with a VM manager of > your choice. Trusting MS to take care of these problems is IMO > seppuku. Do not go there! Create a VM for every version of everything > you want to run, and proceed from there. Isolated spaces = no brain-drain. > > A. > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Yeah, I saw that so I uninstalled 2003 and then the 2007 installation >> went OK. So now I'm going to try to install 2003 AFTER 2007 and see >> if I can get away with that. >> >> Anther forum had a reference to O2003 SP2 installation doing away >> with the hidden cab files. >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Wed Jul 29 01:01:02 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:01:02 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <4a6ef8ed.0506d00a.5f04.180b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC29@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> ha! Outlook 2007 is great - it is the only big of Office 2007 I like. I really miss it when it is not around. It took me a while to notice that Outlook does NOT have a ribbon :) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 11:09 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Yes, I only want 07 to check stuff out. All my "serious" stuff will stay on 03. I like Outlook 07 though. Haven't much time for the other stuff other than as part of a solution. I will stick with Word, Excel etc in 2003 as I have no desire to waste time looking for simple "events" which were one click away and are now buried underneath a sandstorm of marketing blurb, oops, sorry meant ribbon (ie, red tape). Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 28 July 2009 14:03 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Max: I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through next March. Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista machine the O3 on WXP. I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based on delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say Word and Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog I won't use it for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not pokey. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, I gave up on the Virtual PC side of stuff and I am going to wait for W7 in September and then try again. In the meantime, I have just (literally) finished installing Office 2003 followed by Officer 2007. I had to decide with Outlook I wanted as you cannot have both versions on one system - I opted for 2007. With Access when bouncing from one version to the other, the 2003 loads quickly and the 2007 takes over a minute, but neither appears to have any problems (fingers crossed) co-existing. System: Vista Home Edition with x64 OS Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 28 July 2009 00:28 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Thanks. I think that's what I need. In the meantime, it was a test bed machine with Windows 7 so I just uninstalled 2003 and then 2007 installed. The problem wasn't 2003 but 2007 installing. SO now I'm going to try to install 2003 after 2007 and see if that works. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, Do you mean SKU011? if so, I have some help on how to fix this, but the .cab files you need here http://www.excelyourbusiness.com.au/FormulaHelp.htm#FormulaSKU011 cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 5:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Dear List: I'm trying to install O2007 on a machine that had O2003. During the installation I get a message that SKU111.cab cannot be found on the installation disk and the installation terminates. I believe it has something to do with having 2003 on the machine as well but sku111.cab is not on the O2003 CD. Is there a fix for this? MTIA Rocky ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. 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The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jul 29 01:14:33 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:14:33 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC29@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <4a6ef8ed.0506d00a.5f04.180b@mx.google.com>, <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC29@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <4A6FE8C9.31198.20AF9C3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Never mind. They put it in in 2010. -- Stuart On 29 Jul 2009 at 16:01, Darryl Collins wrote: > ha! Outlook 2007 is great - it is the only big of Office 2007 I like. I really miss it when it is not around. It took me a while to notice that Outlook does NOT have a ribbon :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 11:09 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > > Yes, I only want 07 to check stuff out. All my "serious" stuff will stay on > 03. > > I like Outlook 07 though. Haven't much time for the other stuff other than > as part of a solution. I will stick with Word, Excel etc in 2003 as I have > no desire to waste time looking for simple "events" which were one click > away and are now buried underneath a sandstorm of marketing blurb, oops, > sorry meant ribbon (ie, red tape). > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 28 July 2009 14:03 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > Max: > > I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through next > March. > > Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista > machine the O3 on WXP. > > I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based on > delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say Word and > Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog I won't use it > for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not > pokey. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:54 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > Rocky, > I gave up on the Virtual PC side of stuff and I am going to wait for W7 in > September and then try again. > > In the meantime, I have just (literally) finished installing Office 2003 > followed by Officer 2007. I had to decide with Outlook I wanted as you > cannot have both versions on one system - I opted for 2007. > > With Access when bouncing from one version to the other, the 2003 loads > quickly and the 2007 takes over a minute, but neither appears to have any > problems (fingers crossed) co-existing. > > System: Vista Home Edition with x64 OS > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 28 July 2009 00:28 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > Thanks. I think that's what I need. In the meantime, it was a test bed > machine with Windows 7 so I just uninstalled 2003 and then 2007 installed. > The problem wasn't 2003 but 2007 installing. SO now I'm going to try to > install 2003 after 2007 and see if that works. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:19 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > Rocky, > > Do you mean SKU011? > > if so, I have some help on how to fix this, but the .cab files you need here > http://www.excelyourbusiness.com.au/FormulaHelp.htm#FormulaSKU011 > > cheers > Darryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 5:37 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > > Dear List: > > I'm trying to install O2007 on a machine that had O2003. During the > installation I get a message that SKU111.cab cannot be found on the > installation disk and the installation terminates. I believe it has > something to do with having 2003 on the machine as well but sku111.cab is > not on the O2003 CD. > > Is there a fix for this? > > > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential > information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this > e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not > waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your > responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No > warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other > defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the > sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to > resupplying the material. > ______________________________________________________________________ > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential > information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete > this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright > is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in > error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any > attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is > free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any > loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's > responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to > resupplying the material. > ______________________________________________________________________ > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 04:40:20 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:40:20 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC29@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> References: <4a6ef8ed.0506d00a.5f04.180b@mx.google.com> <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC29@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Message-ID: <4a70196b.0a1ad00a.35f9.ffffed92@mx.google.com> That is why I like it!! Now, if they had not named it Access 2007 but something like "Access For Dummies" then that would have been just fine. Then as users got used to the concepts they could migrate up to Access 2003. I would have been very happy. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: 29 July 2009 07:01 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 ha! Outlook 2007 is great - it is the only big of Office 2007 I like. I really miss it when it is not around. It took me a while to notice that Outlook does NOT have a ribbon :) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 11:09 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Yes, I only want 07 to check stuff out. All my "serious" stuff will stay on 03. I like Outlook 07 though. Haven't much time for the other stuff other than as part of a solution. I will stick with Word, Excel etc in 2003 as I have no desire to waste time looking for simple "events" which were one click away and are now buried underneath a sandstorm of marketing blurb, oops, sorry meant ribbon (ie, red tape). Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 28 July 2009 14:03 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Max: I got an eval version of W7 off the web. I think it's good through next March. Re O3 vs O7, I run them on two different boxes - the O7 is on a Vista machine the O3 on WXP. I find the O7 runs the same Access app at about half the speed (based on delay times loading forms, running reports, etc,) of O3. People say Word and Excel are OK. Haven't used them much. But O7 is such a dog I won't use it for development. All I have is my time to bill and I need snappy, not pokey. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, I gave up on the Virtual PC side of stuff and I am going to wait for W7 in September and then try again. In the meantime, I have just (literally) finished installing Office 2003 followed by Officer 2007. I had to decide with Outlook I wanted as you cannot have both versions on one system - I opted for 2007. With Access when bouncing from one version to the other, the 2003 loads quickly and the 2007 takes over a minute, but neither appears to have any problems (fingers crossed) co-existing. System: Vista Home Edition with x64 OS Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 28 July 2009 00:28 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Thanks. I think that's what I need. In the meantime, it was a test bed machine with Windows 7 so I just uninstalled 2003 and then 2007 installed. The problem wasn't 2003 but 2007 installing. SO now I'm going to try to install 2003 after 2007 and see if that works. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, Do you mean SKU011? if so, I have some help on how to fix this, but the .cab files you need here http://www.excelyourbusiness.com.au/FormulaHelp.htm#FormulaSKU011 cheers Darryl -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 5:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Dear List: I'm trying to install O2007 on a machine that had O2003. During the installation I get a message that SKU111.cab cannot be found on the installation disk and the installation terminates. I believe it has something to do with having 2003 on the machine as well but sku111.cab is not on the O2003 CD. Is there a fix for this? MTIA Rocky ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. 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If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ______________________________________________________________________ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 29 05:10:49 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:10:49 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? In-Reply-To: References: <4a695a64.1818d00a.271b.ffffa65b@mx.google.com><8786a4c00907281005m5b6c2d12yddef10f4282ef9fd@mail.gmail.com><4A6F66A0.26795.1EB32AE7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <8786a4c00907281435v3a2e1ea8v8b58f1c0ee830de3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A702029.1010306@colbyconsulting.com> I have a situation where I use stored procedures to run the same code across databases that have not even been created right now. As I get an order I create a brand new database, built result tables, pull data sets and store the data permanently in tables in the database for that order. I run about 15 stored procedures that dynamically create sql in order to build the data tables and fill them with data, export them out for processing, import the processed results back in etc. While I am no SQL Server (or SQL) expert, and it might be possible to perform this stuff without dynamic SQL, I see absolutely no reason not to use dynamic SQL. I have to feed parameters for what database and even the names of tables in to these stored procedures, which then build up SQL statements to direct the operations to the correct databases and tables. My databases don't interface to the public, so where is the SQL injection coming from? The queries take many minutes, and the compilation of the SQL takes a few seconds so the speed issue of not having the SQL optimized is not an issue (assuming that it even could be given that the fact that the database and tables don't even exist until I receive the order). So send me off to the gallows I guess eh? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Drew Wutka wrote: > I did ask. List has been quiet lately though! LOL > > As a side note on here, several of the interfaces I design have no > typable user input. Clicking options, and dedicated lists are about it. > However, the real crunch is that so many systems may have more then just > the WHERE statement needing to be set. Sometimes I'm pulling different > joins or even fields. > > Before this turns into a battle, I am not saying there is anything wrong > with storing SQL and everything you want in the db itself. It will > definitely be optimized and secured. But not all situations fit that > bill very well. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:35 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Worth Upgrading for? > > True, but I'd say most (but not all) people that are using dynamic SQL > aren't sanitizing their inputs from users. > > If the front end is designed to only use listboxes and list limited > comboboxes, > then why not send only their numeric IDs as stored procedure input > parameters? > It would be a lot less data going back to the server. > > Drew was just asking why 'dynamically constructed' SQL statement is such > a > sore subject. > > > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Stuart McLachlan > wrote: > >> I keep hearing this same old mantras: >> >> 1. Dynamic construction = SQL injection. >> >> Cr*p! ( if you'll pardon my french) >> >> Dynamic construction = SQL injection IF AND ONLY IF: >> >> a. You take text input from your user as part of the construction >> b. You do not sanitize the text. >> >> There's no way that you are exposed to SQL injection if you base your > SQL >> statement on >> such the current content of OptionBoxes, ListLimited ComboBoxes, > selections >> in Listboxes >> etc,ect. >> >> 2. Dynaic SQL isn't optimised. >> >> Big deal! >> >> Design your indexes properly and what's the real performance > difference >> between: >> >> "myProcedure Param1, Param2, Param3" >> and >> "Select ,,,,,, from myTable where .. Param1 and .... Param2 ,,,, and > Param3 >> order by ....." >> >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> On 28 Jul 2009 at 10:05, David McAfee wrote: >> >>> Because it opens its self up to SQL injection. >>> >>> Also dynamic SQL isn't optimized. >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Drew Wutka > wrote: >>>> Why is 'dynamically constructed' SQL statements such a sore > subject? >>>> This is a little bit of a shocker to me. >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 29 05:26:40 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:26:40 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <4E214B2DC64D47EBBD34039435573BDD@HAL9005> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F469@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <29f585dd0907281307n57f5a263w5f443aef85d1742@mail.gmail.com> <4A6F7212.3010401@colbyconsulting.com> <4E214B2DC64D47EBBD34039435573BDD@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4A7023E0.3070403@colbyconsulting.com> Rocky, Where they come in handy is that they can be "played" anywhere. Take the virtual machine, place it on a usb hard drive and it can be used on your laptop, attached to your desktop, at a friends house etc. Of course you have to have the "player" installed on the host machine but the ability to move the vm can be a godsend. As I mentioned previously I use a specific program to do address validation for a client. I do so much of this and it takes so long, that I have a server pretty much dedicated to that purpose. But... the license is machine specific. So over the years, as I upgraded machines to make them faster, I would be moving the software from machine to machine. A royal PITA because I would have to call tech support, actually talk to someone there, read them a new string of characters for a specific machine config, and get a new key. Same drill again if I needed to move the software again (which I did many times in several years). One day it occurred to me... place it in a VM and just move the vm to the faster machine. Voila, PITA GONE!!! Furthermore I was talking to the software developer about how long it takes to run my huge address lists and he mentioned that I could install the software multiple times on the same machine. Hmmm.... Copy my VM three times, run it on the same (physical) machine... license issues obeyed, multiple installs on the same (physical) "machine". The VM just solved two HUGE issues I was having... moving the installed software as my hardware changed, and legally running the software several times on the same machine. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin wrote: > I implemented VPC on my Vista box. It was OK. Didn't really float my boat. > But it was dead simple. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:48 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > Easy to say Arthur, not so easy to do when new to VMs. > > You are of course correct in your statement. And once you are up on VMs it > is a huge tool. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Arthur Fuller wrote: >> Forget about this path, my friend, and instead go with a VM manager of >> your choice. Trusting MS to take care of these problems is IMO >> seppuku. Do not go there! Create a VM for every version of everything >> you want to run, and proceed from there. Isolated spaces = no brain-drain. >> >> A. >> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >>> Yeah, I saw that so I uninstalled 2003 and then the 2007 installation >>> went OK. So now I'm going to try to install 2003 AFTER 2007 and see >>> if I can get away with that. >>> >>> Anther forum had a reference to O2003 SP2 installation doing away >>> with the hidden cab files. >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 29 05:58:04 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:58:04 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization In-Reply-To: <622B447483E8417B8F542A16F3D9E37F@stevePC> References: <4A6F5359.4040003@colbyconsulting.com> <622B447483E8417B8F542A16F3D9E37F@stevePC> Message-ID: <4A702B3C.1050500@colbyconsulting.com> Updating now. Thanks for reminding me. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Steve Schapel wrote: > Hi John, > > And you're running Access 2007 SP2? > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "jwcolby" > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:36 AM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization > >> Access2003 - Access 2007 is taking about 2 minutes 40 seconds on my >> virtual machine on my laptop. >> t7200 dual core 2 ghz with 4 gigs of ram. One gig and one cpu assigned to >> the vm. >> > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 29 07:29:34 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:29:34 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <4A7023E0.3070403@colbyconsulting.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F469@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <29f585dd0907281307n57f5a263w5f443aef85d1742@mail.gmail.com> <4A6F7212.3010401@colbyconsulting.com><4E214B2DC64D47EBBD34039435573BDD@HAL9005> <4A7023E0.3070403@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <57472B87696C4C31B205BC8840E1C81E@HAL9005> Yes I can see the advantage in those cases. It's a great tool - I hope I need it someday. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:27 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 Rocky, Where they come in handy is that they can be "played" anywhere. Take the virtual machine, place it on a usb hard drive and it can be used on your laptop, attached to your desktop, at a friends house etc. Of course you have to have the "player" installed on the host machine but the ability to move the vm can be a godsend. As I mentioned previously I use a specific program to do address validation for a client. I do so much of this and it takes so long, that I have a server pretty much dedicated to that purpose. But... the license is machine specific. So over the years, as I upgraded machines to make them faster, I would be moving the software from machine to machine. A royal PITA because I would have to call tech support, actually talk to someone there, read them a new string of characters for a specific machine config, and get a new key. Same drill again if I needed to move the software again (which I did many times in several years). One day it occurred to me... place it in a VM and just move the vm to the faster machine. Voila, PITA GONE!!! Furthermore I was talking to the software developer about how long it takes to run my huge address lists and he mentioned that I could install the software multiple times on the same machine. Hmmm.... Copy my VM three times, run it on the same (physical) machine... license issues obeyed, multiple installs on the same (physical) "machine". The VM just solved two HUGE issues I was having... moving the installed software as my hardware changed, and legally running the software several times on the same machine. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin wrote: > I implemented VPC on my Vista box. It was OK. Didn't really float my boat. > But it was dead simple. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:48 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 > > Easy to say Arthur, not so easy to do when new to VMs. > > You are of course correct in your statement. And once you are up on > VMs it is a huge tool. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Arthur Fuller wrote: >> Forget about this path, my friend, and instead go with a VM manager >> of your choice. Trusting MS to take care of these problems is IMO >> seppuku. Do not go there! Create a VM for every version of everything >> you want to run, and proceed from there. Isolated spaces = no brain-drain. >> >> A. >> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: >>> Yeah, I saw that so I uninstalled 2003 and then the 2007 >>> installation went OK. So now I'm going to try to install 2003 AFTER >>> 2007 and see if I can get away with that. >>> >>> Anther forum had a reference to O2003 SP2 installation doing away >>> with the hidden cab files. >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 29 08:05:55 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:05:55 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] FW: [TechRepublic] 10 cool features to look forward to in Office 2010 Message-ID: None of the ten features was about Access. I guess there are no cool Access features in Office 2010. :( Rocky ________________________________ From: TechRepublic Daily Digest [mailto:newsletters at techrepublic.online.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 2:55 AM To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com Subject: [TechRepublic] 10 cool features to look forward to in Office 2010 July 29, 2009 TechRepublic Daily Digest TR Trouble viewing this mail? Read it online | Manage my newsletters | Unsubscribe Welcome: rocky Update my profile | Unsubscribe from this mail Blogs | Photos | Downloads | Forums 10 cool features to look forward to in Office 2010 10 Things With the release of the Office 2010 Technical Preview, details are finally starting to roll in. Deb Shinder highlights some of the features she thinks might make the new version worth the upgrade . 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From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 08:16:20 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:16:20 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <4a6f5d32.0508d00a.385d.259e@mx.google.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F469@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <29f585dd0907281307n57f5a263w5f443aef85d1742@mail.gmail.com> <4a6f5d32.0508d00a.385d.259e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0907290616o391ea98eqa75e3392d2b49d2c@mail.gmail.com> www.artfulsoftware.com. On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Have you a URL Arthur? > > Max > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 29 09:24:12 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:24:12 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization In-Reply-To: <622B447483E8417B8F542A16F3D9E37F@stevePC> References: <4A6F5359.4040003@colbyconsulting.com> <622B447483E8417B8F542A16F3D9E37F@stevePC> Message-ID: <4A705B8C.3020908@colbyconsulting.com> Much better with SP2. Only 1:45 from start to Access opening. To be fair, I installed every piece and part of Office 2007 Enterprise edition so it has a bunch to reinstall. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Steve Schapel wrote: > Hi John, > > And you're running Access 2007 SP2? > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "jwcolby" > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:36 AM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization > >> Access2003 - Access 2007 is taking about 2 minutes 40 seconds on my >> virtual machine on my laptop. >> t7200 dual core 2 ghz with 4 gigs of ram. One gig and one cpu assigned to >> the vm. >> > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 10:04:54 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:04:54 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] FW: [TechRepublic] 10 cool features to look forward to in Office 2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a70658c.0a1ad00a.14c3.5bdc@mx.google.com> The only one I have seen is the option to save in 2003 version... Now, that's cool. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 29 July 2009 14:06 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] FW: [TechRepublic] 10 cool features to look forward to in Office 2010 None of the ten features was about Access. I guess there are no cool Access features in Office 2010. :( Rocky ________________________________ From: TechRepublic Daily Digest [mailto:newsletters at techrepublic.online.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 2:55 AM To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com Subject: [TechRepublic] 10 cool features to look forward to in Office 2010 July 29, 2009 TechRepublic Daily Digest TR Trouble viewing this mail? Read it online | Manage my newsletters | Unsubscribe Welcome: rocky Update my profile | Unsubscribe from this mail Blogs | Photos | Downloads | Forums 10 cool features to look forward to in Office 2010 10 Things With the release of the Office 2010 Technical Preview, details are finally starting to roll in. Deb Shinder highlights some of the features she thinks might make the new version worth the upgrade . Subscribe to TechRepublic's Downloads RSS Sponsored The advantages of row and rack-oriented cooling architectures This white paper contrasts room, row, and rack architectures and shows why row-oriented cooling will emerge as the preferred solution for most next-generation data centers. (Sponsored by APC) Members' choice 10 handy Firefox about:config hacks If you really want to fine-tune your Firefox functionality, you have to roll up your sleeves and tinker with the about:config page. Jack Wallen shares some simple hacks to make Firefox work the way you want. 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CBS Interactive Inc. 235 Second Street San Francisco, CA 94105 U.S.A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 10:04:54 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:04:54 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907290616o391ea98eqa75e3392d2b49d2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A596F469@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <29f585dd0907281307n57f5a263w5f443aef85d1742@mail.gmail.com> <4a6f5d32.0508d00a.385d.259e@mx.google.com> <29f585dd0907290616o391ea98eqa75e3392d2b49d2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a706595.0a1ad00a.14c3.5bf5@mx.google.com> Hahaha...no, I meant have you a URL to download the software you are currently using. Sometime you make me laugh. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 29 July 2009 14:16 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 www.artfulsoftware.com. On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Have you a URL Arthur? > > Max > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Wed Jul 29 14:38:54 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:38:54 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization In-Reply-To: <4A702B3C.1050500@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6F5359.4040003@colbyconsulting.com><622B447483E8417B8F542A16F3D9E37F@stevePC> <4A702B3C.1050500@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <035BF7D4F6294E6CA76A360A9497359D@stevePC> -------------------------------------------------- From: "jwcolby" Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:58 PM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization > Updating now. Thanks for reminding me. > Well, you said it was a good question, which is the nicest thing anyone has said to me today, so I thought I would celebrate by asking it again! :-) (Actually, I didn't receive the message the first time I sent, so I thought it hadn't gone through, so I re-sent). Regards Steve From miscellany at mvps.org Wed Jul 29 14:42:19 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:42:19 +1200 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization In-Reply-To: <4A705B8C.3020908@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4A6F5359.4040003@colbyconsulting.com><622B447483E8417B8F542A16F3D9E37F@stevePC> <4A705B8C.3020908@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hi John, Well, I have no idea why this is taking so long. I also have all Office 2007 here, on a machine that is significantly lower specs than yours, and the reconfiguration, while still a pain, is much quicker for me. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "jwcolby" Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:24 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization > Much better with SP2. Only 1:45 from start to Access opening. > > To be fair, I installed every piece and part of Office 2007 Enterprise > edition so it has a bunch to > reinstall. > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jul 29 14:44:55 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:44:55 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] 2007 over 2003 In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0907290616o391ea98eqa75e3392d2b49d2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1B56A446CC544B138013DEF8E3817377@HAL9005>, <4a6f5d32.0508d00a.385d.259e@mx.google.com>, <29f585dd0907290616o391ea98eqa75e3392d2b49d2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A70A6B7.15304.239583D9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Very opportune timing, Arthur. I'm just starting to get seriously involved in PHP + mySQL websites and your site looks like a goldmine for me. Cheers, Stuart On 29 Jul 2009 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > www.artfulsoftware.com. > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > > Have you a URL Arthur? Stuart McLachlan -------------- next part -------------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: LexacorpIF5.png Date: 26 Jul 2009, 19:06 Size: 6508 bytes. Type: Unknown From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Jul 29 17:11:51 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:11:51 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization In-Reply-To: References: <4A6F5359.4040003@colbyconsulting.com><622B447483E8417B8F542A16F3D9E37F@stevePC> <4A705B8C.3020908@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A70C927.7020205@colbyconsulting.com> Well... this is running in a vm. The VM has only 1 gig of ram and a single processor assigned, 2.0 ghz. The VM has a slight overhead. So this is not exactly "state of the art". Running native on my laptop with a dual core and 4 gigs would probably be a different experience. OTOH it would also have to deal with Vista on the native hardware whereas the VM is running XP, so perhaps it would still be a wash. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Steve Schapel wrote: > Hi John, > > Well, I have no idea why this is taking so long. I also have all Office > 2007 here, on a machine that is significantly lower specs than yours, and > the reconfiguration, while still a pain, is much quicker for me. > > Regards > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "jwcolby" > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:24 AM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 initialization > >> Much better with SP2. Only 1:45 from start to Access opening. >> >> To be fair, I installed every piece and part of Office 2007 Enterprise >> edition so it has a bunch to >> reinstall. >> > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 19:49:27 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:49:27 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? Message-ID: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> I have a listbox on a tab control on a form in an ADP. A2003. A user called to tell me that a certain transaction wasn't showing up in the machine history tab. When I attempted to see why that one transaction was falling out in the stored procedure, I noticed it was in the result set. I look at the rowsource for the list box, which is correct: EXEC stpGetMachHist 17631 17631 is a numeric ID. The listbox only displays five rows: 07/28/2009 Sold under transaction # OI/009049/09 06/26/2009 Credited under transaction # CRI/000654/09 11/27/2008 Warranty Expired 07/07/2008 Stock Transfer to 21000 under Tran# STK/000352/08 04/08/2008 Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# OI/004770/08 If I copy and paste "EXEC stpGetMachHist 17631" from the list box controls property into SQL Server Management Studio and hit F5 (Execute) I get: 07/28/2009 Sold under transaction # OI/009049/09 06/26/2009 Credited under transaction # CRI/000654/09 11/27/2008 Warranty Expired 07/07/2008 Stock Transfer to 21000 under Tran# STK/000352/08 04/08/2008 Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# OI/004770/08 12/11/2007 Credited under transaction # CRI/001445/07 11/28/2007 Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# OI/016776/07 11/28/2007 Warranty begins 07/12/2007 Machine Released from WO# EQP00H000263/07 Column count is correctly set to 3 (I deleted the names of the personal from this email) It appears that the bottom (oldest) four transactions arent appering. But get this! if I click in the list box the blank rows get selected as if data is being diplayed!!! If I then go to the immediate window and type this: ?forms!frmRentalMachines3!lstMachHist.column(2) Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# OI/016776/07 Any ideas??? David From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 20:14:33 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:14:33 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> I just tried it, but it still only shows the 6 rows (yet 3 blank rows are selectable underneath the visible rows) I think the listbox is corrupt. Im going to replace it. The same "machine history" list box on other forms correctly displays the 9 rows. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:05 PM, wrote: > Could have something to do with the # - it looks like Access has not > interpreted the data correctly > > Try just including the first column in the list and see if it returns all > the records then. > > Anita > On 30/07/2009 10:49am, David McAfee wrote: > > I have a listbox on a tab control on a form in an ADP. A2003. > > > > > > > > > > > > A user called to tell me that a certain transaction wasn't showing up in > the > > > > > > machine history tab. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I attempted to see why that one transaction was falling out in the > > > > > > stored procedure, I noticed it was in the result set. > > > > > > > > > > > > I look at the rowsource for the list box, which is correct: > > > > > > > > > > > > EXEC stpGetMachHist 17631 > > > > > > > > > > > > 17631 is a numeric ID. > > > > > > > > > > > > The listbox only displays five rows: > > > > > > 07/28/2009 Sold under transaction # OI/009049/09 > > > > > > 06/26/2009 Credited under transaction # CRI/000654/09 > > > > > > 11/27/2008 Warranty Expired > > > > > > 07/07/2008 Stock Transfer to 21000 under Tran# STK/000352/08 > > > > > > 04/08/2008 Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# > > > > > > OI/004770/08 > > > > > > > > > > > > If I copy and paste "EXEC stpGetMachHist 17631" from the list box > controls > > > > > > property into SQL Server Management Studio and hit F5 (Execute) > > > > > > I get: > > > > > > > > > > > > 07/28/2009 Sold under transaction # OI/009049/09 > > > > > > 06/26/2009 Credited under transaction # CRI/000654/09 > > > > > > 11/27/2008 Warranty Expired > > > > > > 07/07/2008 Stock Transfer to 21000 under Tran# STK/000352/08 > > > > > > 04/08/2008 Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# > > > > > > OI/004770/08 > > > > > > 12/11/2007 Credited under transaction # CRI/001445/07 > > > > > > 11/28/2007 Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# > > > > > > OI/016776/07 > > > > > > 11/28/2007 Warranty begins > > > > > > 07/12/2007 Machine Released from WO# EQP00H000263/07 > > > > > > > > > > > > Column count is correctly set to 3 (I deleted the names of the personal > from > > > > > > this email) > > > > > > It appears that the bottom (oldest) four transactions arent appering. > > > > > > > > > > > > But get this! if I click in the list box the blank rows get selected as > if > > > > > > data is being diplayed!!! > > > > > > If I then go to the immediate window and type this: > > > > > > ?forms!frmRentalMachines3!lstMachHist.column(2) > > > > > > Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# OI/016776/07 > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas??? > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > -- > > > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > From davidmcafee at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 23:00:46 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:00:46 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> The similar listbox on different forms works correctly, so I figured the listbox was somehow corrupt. I deleted the control, saved the form, recreated the listbox and it still does the* *same thing! I just noticed one thing. The listbox seems to be only showing 6 records max. If I look at a record with 14 items, which requires a scroll, upon scrolling to the bottom of the list box, it repaints the list box and shows all the reocrds. WTF!?!?!?! On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:14 PM, David McAfee wrote: > I just tried it, but it still only shows the 6 rows (yet 3 blank rows are > selectable underneath the visible rows) > > I think the listbox is corrupt. > Im going to replace it. > > The same "machine history" list box on other forms correctly displays the 9 > rows. > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:05 PM, wrote: > >> Could have something to do with the # - it looks like Access has not >> interpreted the data correctly >> >> Try just including the first column in the list and see if it returns all >> the records then. >> >> Anita >> On 30/07/2009 10:49am, David McAfee wrote: >> > I have a listbox on a tab control on a form in an ADP. A2003. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > A user called to tell me that a certain transaction wasn't showing up in >> the >> > >> > >> > machine history tab. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > When I attempted to see why that one transaction was falling out in the >> > >> > >> > stored procedure, I noticed it was in the result set. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I look at the rowsource for the list box, which is correct: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > EXEC stpGetMachHist 17631 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 17631 is a numeric ID. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The listbox only displays five rows: >> > >> > >> > 07/28/2009 Sold under transaction # OI/009049/09 >> > >> > >> > 06/26/2009 Credited under transaction # CRI/000654/09 >> > >> > >> > 11/27/2008 Warranty Expired >> > >> > >> > 07/07/2008 Stock Transfer to 21000 under Tran# STK/000352/08 >> > >> > >> > 04/08/2008 Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# >> > >> > >> > OI/004770/08 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > If I copy and paste "EXEC stpGetMachHist 17631" from the list box >> controls >> > >> > >> > property into SQL Server Management Studio and hit F5 (Execute) >> > >> > >> > I get: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 07/28/2009 Sold under transaction # OI/009049/09 >> > >> > >> > 06/26/2009 Credited under transaction # CRI/000654/09 >> > >> > >> > 11/27/2008 Warranty Expired >> > >> > >> > 07/07/2008 Stock Transfer to 21000 under Tran# STK/000352/08 >> > >> > >> > 04/08/2008 Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# >> > >> > >> > OI/004770/08 >> > >> > >> > 12/11/2007 Credited under transaction # CRI/001445/07 >> > >> > >> > 11/28/2007 Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# >> > >> > >> > OI/016776/07 >> > >> > >> > 11/28/2007 Warranty begins >> > >> > >> > 07/12/2007 Machine Released from WO# EQP00H000263/07 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Column count is correctly set to 3 (I deleted the names of the personal >> from >> > >> > >> > this email) >> > >> > >> > It appears that the bottom (oldest) four transactions arent appering. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > But get this! if I click in the list box the blank rows get selected as >> if >> > >> > >> > data is being diplayed!!! >> > >> > >> > If I then go to the immediate window and type this: >> > >> > >> > ?forms!frmRentalMachines3!lstMachHist.column(2) >> > >> > >> > Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# OI/016776/07 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Any ideas??? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > David >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > AccessD mailing list >> > >> > >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> > >> > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > >> > > > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 29 23:06:04 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:06:04 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com><00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com><8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Is the number of columns in the property sheet the same as the number of columns in the record source? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:01 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? The similar listbox on different forms works correctly, so I figured the listbox was somehow corrupt. I deleted the control, saved the form, recreated the listbox and it still does the* *same thing! I just noticed one thing. The listbox seems to be only showing 6 records max. If I look at a record with 14 items, which requires a scroll, upon scrolling to the bottom of the list box, it repaints the list box and shows all the reocrds. WTF!?!?!?! On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:14 PM, David McAfee wrote: > I just tried it, but it still only shows the 6 rows (yet 3 blank rows > are selectable underneath the visible rows) > > I think the listbox is corrupt. > Im going to replace it. > > The same "machine history" list box on other forms correctly displays > the 9 rows. > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:05 PM, wrote: > >> Could have something to do with the # - it looks like Access has not >> interpreted the data correctly >> >> Try just including the first column in the list and see if it returns >> all the records then. >> >> Anita >> On 30/07/2009 10:49am, David McAfee wrote: >> > I have a listbox on a tab control on a form in an ADP. A2003. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > A user called to tell me that a certain transaction wasn't showing >> > up in >> the >> > >> > >> > machine history tab. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > When I attempted to see why that one transaction was falling out in >> > the >> > >> > >> > stored procedure, I noticed it was in the result set. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I look at the rowsource for the list box, which is correct: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > EXEC stpGetMachHist 17631 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 17631 is a numeric ID. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The listbox only displays five rows: >> > >> > >> > 07/28/2009 Sold under transaction # OI/009049/09 >> > >> > >> > 06/26/2009 Credited under transaction # CRI/000654/09 >> > >> > >> > 11/27/2008 Warranty Expired >> > >> > >> > 07/07/2008 Stock Transfer to 21000 under Tran# STK/000352/08 >> > >> > >> > 04/08/2008 Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# >> > >> > >> > OI/004770/08 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > If I copy and paste "EXEC stpGetMachHist 17631" from the list box >> controls >> > >> > >> > property into SQL Server Management Studio and hit F5 (Execute) >> > >> > >> > I get: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 07/28/2009 Sold under transaction # OI/009049/09 >> > >> > >> > 06/26/2009 Credited under transaction # CRI/000654/09 >> > >> > >> > 11/27/2008 Warranty Expired >> > >> > >> > 07/07/2008 Stock Transfer to 21000 under Tran# STK/000352/08 >> > >> > >> > 04/08/2008 Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# >> > >> > >> > OI/004770/08 >> > >> > >> > 12/11/2007 Credited under transaction # CRI/001445/07 >> > >> > >> > 11/28/2007 Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# >> > >> > >> > OI/016776/07 >> > >> > >> > 11/28/2007 Warranty begins >> > >> > >> > 07/12/2007 Machine Released from WO# EQP00H000263/07 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Column count is correctly set to 3 (I deleted the names of the >> > personal >> from >> > >> > >> > this email) >> > >> > >> > It appears that the bottom (oldest) four transactions arent appering. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > But get this! if I click in the list box the blank rows get >> > selected as >> if >> > >> > >> > data is being diplayed!!! >> > >> > >> > If I then go to the immediate window and type this: >> > >> > >> > ?forms!frmRentalMachines3!lstMachHist.column(2) >> > >> > >> > Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# OI/016776/07 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Any ideas??? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > David >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > AccessD mailing list >> > >> > >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> > >> > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > >> > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 03:50:14 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:50:14 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com> David, Try COPYING a list box that works and then change the attributes to what you need. That sometimes works. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: 30 July 2009 05:01 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? The similar listbox on different forms works correctly, so I figured the listbox was somehow corrupt. I deleted the control, saved the form, recreated the listbox and it still does the* *same thing! I just noticed one thing. The listbox seems to be only showing 6 records max. If I look at a record with 14 items, which requires a scroll, upon scrolling to the bottom of the list box, it repaints the list box and shows all the reocrds. WTF!?!?!?! On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:14 PM, David McAfee wrote: > I just tried it, but it still only shows the 6 rows (yet 3 blank rows are > selectable underneath the visible rows) > > I think the listbox is corrupt. > Im going to replace it. > > The same "machine history" list box on other forms correctly displays the 9 > rows. > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:05 PM, wrote: > >> Could have something to do with the # - it looks like Access has not >> interpreted the data correctly >> >> Try just including the first column in the list and see if it returns all >> the records then. >> >> Anita >> On 30/07/2009 10:49am, David McAfee wrote: >> > I have a listbox on a tab control on a form in an ADP. A2003. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > A user called to tell me that a certain transaction wasn't showing up in >> the >> > >> > >> > machine history tab. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > When I attempted to see why that one transaction was falling out in the >> > >> > >> > stored procedure, I noticed it was in the result set. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I look at the rowsource for the list box, which is correct: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > EXEC stpGetMachHist 17631 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 17631 is a numeric ID. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The listbox only displays five rows: >> > >> > >> > 07/28/2009 Sold under transaction # OI/009049/09 >> > >> > >> > 06/26/2009 Credited under transaction # CRI/000654/09 >> > >> > >> > 11/27/2008 Warranty Expired >> > >> > >> > 07/07/2008 Stock Transfer to 21000 under Tran# STK/000352/08 >> > >> > >> > 04/08/2008 Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# >> > >> > >> > OI/004770/08 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > If I copy and paste "EXEC stpGetMachHist 17631" from the list box >> controls >> > >> > >> > property into SQL Server Management Studio and hit F5 (Execute) >> > >> > >> > I get: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 07/28/2009 Sold under transaction # OI/009049/09 >> > >> > >> > 06/26/2009 Credited under transaction # CRI/000654/09 >> > >> > >> > 11/27/2008 Warranty Expired >> > >> > >> > 07/07/2008 Stock Transfer to 21000 under Tran# STK/000352/08 >> > >> > >> > 04/08/2008 Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# >> > >> > >> > OI/004770/08 >> > >> > >> > 12/11/2007 Credited under transaction # CRI/001445/07 >> > >> > >> > 11/28/2007 Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# >> > >> > >> > OI/016776/07 >> > >> > >> > 11/28/2007 Warranty begins >> > >> > >> > 07/12/2007 Machine Released from WO# EQP00H000263/07 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Column count is correctly set to 3 (I deleted the names of the personal >> from >> > >> > >> > this email) >> > >> > >> > It appears that the bottom (oldest) four transactions arent appering. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > But get this! if I click in the list box the blank rows get selected as >> if >> > >> > >> > data is being diplayed!!! >> > >> > >> > If I then go to the immediate window and type this: >> > >> > >> > ?forms!frmRentalMachines3!lstMachHist.column(2) >> > >> > >> > Transferred to (21010) MOC Colorado under Tran# OI/016776/07 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Any ideas??? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > David >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > AccessD mailing list >> > >> > >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> > >> > >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > >> > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 11:58:57 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:58:57 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> <4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com> I have. I've even completely rebuilt it. I think it may be the form that is some how corrupt. I remember reading somewhere that a form can only have 255 controls, even if its over time (deleting controls, adding controls, deleting controls). I have redesigned this form for a department that didnt know what it was that they want five times. I'm wondering if this somehow could be an issue. I may have to rebuild the whole form...which sucks because it is very complex. :( David On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > David, > Try COPYING a list box that works and then change the attributes to what > you > need. > That sometimes works. > > Max > > From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 12:04:57 2009 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:04:57 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Partition queries Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0907301004y354f2283rf94620b9180a6758@mail.gmail.com> I'd never heard of this (not that that's saying very much!) but it looks pretty interesting: http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/29/creating-partition-queries.aspx Doug Steele From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 12:06:35 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:06:35 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> <4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a71d39e.0a1ad00a.6f64.ffffb699@mx.google.com> Hmm difficult David, without seeing it. What I tend to do is to have the tabs replaced with buttons (make them look similar) and in the main form I have ONE sub form. Depending which button they click, the embedded sub form name is changed and it is then requeried. Effectively this means (for 5 tab items, 5 same-sized sub forms) but each one is only loaded when required (JIT). This also reduces the load time for a form with many tabs with many associated populating of controls on them. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: 30 July 2009 17:59 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? I have. I've even completely rebuilt it. I think it may be the form that is some how corrupt. I remember reading somewhere that a form can only have 255 controls, even if its over time (deleting controls, adding controls, deleting controls). I have redesigned this form for a department that didnt know what it was that they want five times. I'm wondering if this somehow could be an issue. I may have to rebuild the whole form...which sucks because it is very complex. :( David On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > David, > Try COPYING a list box that works and then change the attributes to what > you > need. > That sometimes works. > > Max > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Thu Jul 30 12:27:00 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:27:00 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Partition queries In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0907301004y354f2283rf94620b9180a6758@mail.gmail.com> References: <4dd71a0c0907301004y354f2283rf94620b9180a6758@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Check through the archives. Partition has been discussed several times. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:05 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Partition queries I'd never heard of this (not that that's saying very much!) but it looks pretty interesting: http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/29/creating-partition-queri es.aspx Doug Steele -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 30 13:02:05 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:02:05 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> <4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A71E01D.4090806@colbyconsulting.com> Export it out to a text file, then import it back in to a new name. Delete the old, rename the new back to the old name. That might break the spell. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com David McAfee wrote: > I have. > > I've even completely rebuilt it. I think it may be the form that is some how > corrupt. > > I remember reading somewhere that a form can only have 255 controls, even if > its over time (deleting controls, adding controls, deleting controls). > I have redesigned this form for a department that didnt know what it was > that they want five times. > > I'm wondering if this somehow could be an issue. > > I may have to rebuild the whole form...which sucks because it is very > complex. :( > > David > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > >> David, >> Try COPYING a list box that works and then change the attributes to what >> you >> need. >> That sometimes works. >> >> Max >> >> From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 13:18:56 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:18:56 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <4A71E01D.4090806@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> <4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com> <4A71E01D.4090806@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a71e49b.1c07d00a.389e.ffffc9da@mx.google.com> Why didn't I think of that.... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 30 July 2009 19:02 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? Export it out to a text file, then import it back in to a new name. Delete the old, rename the new back to the old name. That might break the spell. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com David McAfee wrote: > I have. > > I've even completely rebuilt it. I think it may be the form that is some how > corrupt. > > I remember reading somewhere that a form can only have 255 controls, even if > its over time (deleting controls, adding controls, deleting controls). > I have redesigned this form for a department that didnt know what it was > that they want five times. > > I'm wondering if this somehow could be an issue. > > I may have to rebuild the whole form...which sucks because it is very > complex. :( > > David > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > >> David, >> Try COPYING a list box that works and then change the attributes to what >> you >> need. >> That sometimes works. >> >> Max >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 30 13:46:30 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:46:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <4a71e49b.1c07d00a.389e.ffffc9da@mx.google.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> <4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com> <4A71E01D.4090806@colbyconsulting.com> <4a71e49b.1c07d00a.389e.ffffc9da@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A71EA86.9000003@colbyconsulting.com> I have never heard of this "255 maximum controls regardless of when" thing. I would not doubt the 255 max controls part, it is the tracking of old controls that I would doubt. But Access has done stranger things. I have no idea where it would store tracking for old deleted controls, however given the rename tracking stuff it is probably out there somewhere. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Why didn't I think of that.... > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 30 July 2009 19:02 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? > > Export it out to a text file, then import it back in to a new name. Delete > the old, rename the new > back to the old name. That might break the spell. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > David McAfee wrote: >> I have. >> >> I've even completely rebuilt it. I think it may be the form that is some > how >> corrupt. >> >> I remember reading somewhere that a form can only have 255 controls, even > if >> its over time (deleting controls, adding controls, deleting controls). >> I have redesigned this form for a department that didnt know what it was >> that they want five times. >> >> I'm wondering if this somehow could be an issue. >> >> I may have to rebuild the whole form...which sucks because it is very >> complex. :( >> >> David >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Max Wanadoo > wrote: >>> David, >>> Try COPYING a list box that works and then change the attributes to what >>> you >>> need. >>> That sometimes works. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 30 13:53:06 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:53:06 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <4a71e49b.1c07d00a.389e.ffffc9da@mx.google.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> <4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com> <4A71E01D.4090806@colbyconsulting.com> <4a71e49b.1c07d00a.389e.ffffc9da@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A71EC12.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> > Why didn't I think of that.... Speaking of which, I got Eatbloat (my version) populating tables to get around the list control data source 2K string length limitation. I created msys tables in my library container and then populate those tables instead of building up a huge comma delimited string for the list control data source. Now the table can hold as many objects as needed and the lists use the tables as their data source. It just occurred to me that I may need to add "multi-user" handling because my version can theoretically be used in many different FEs at the same time. I'll probably need to track which FE the objects are coming from, something like that. Anyway, it works great so far. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Why didn't I think of that.... > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 30 July 2009 19:02 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? > > Export it out to a text file, then import it back in to a new name. Delete > the old, rename the new > back to the old name. That might break the spell. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > David McAfee wrote: >> I have. >> >> I've even completely rebuilt it. I think it may be the form that is some > how >> corrupt. >> >> I remember reading somewhere that a form can only have 255 controls, even > if >> its over time (deleting controls, adding controls, deleting controls). >> I have redesigned this form for a department that didnt know what it was >> that they want five times. >> >> I'm wondering if this somehow could be an issue. >> >> I may have to rebuild the whole form...which sucks because it is very >> complex. :( >> >> David >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Max Wanadoo > wrote: >>> David, >>> Try COPYING a list box that works and then change the attributes to what >>> you >>> need. >>> That sometimes works. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 13:59:15 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:59:15 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <4A71EC12.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> <4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com> <4A71E01D.4090806@colbyconsulting.com> <4a71e49b.1c07d00a.389e.ffffc9da@mx.google.com> <4A71EC12.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a71ee10.1c07d00a.5e89.1aa0@mx.google.com> FWIW I thing multi-user is not a requirement. It should only be run by a competent person, ie the develop for specific purposes and as it runs "UNDER" the project "root" folder and is "date specific" it should never conflict with anything else. What you could do is perhaps put a flag up to say it is "In progress" and stop another invocation starting. Ma -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 30 July 2009 19:53 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? > Why didn't I think of that.... Speaking of which, I got Eatbloat (my version) populating tables to get around the list control data source 2K string length limitation. I created msys tables in my library container and then populate those tables instead of building up a huge comma delimited string for the list control data source. Now the table can hold as many objects as needed and the lists use the tables as their data source. It just occurred to me that I may need to add "multi-user" handling because my version can theoretically be used in many different FEs at the same time. I'll probably need to track which FE the objects are coming from, something like that. Anyway, it works great so far. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Why didn't I think of that.... > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 30 July 2009 19:02 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? > > Export it out to a text file, then import it back in to a new name. Delete > the old, rename the new > back to the old name. That might break the spell. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > David McAfee wrote: >> I have. >> >> I've even completely rebuilt it. I think it may be the form that is some > how >> corrupt. >> >> I remember reading somewhere that a form can only have 255 controls, even > if >> its over time (deleting controls, adding controls, deleting controls). >> I have redesigned this form for a department that didnt know what it was >> that they want five times. >> >> I'm wondering if this somehow could be an issue. >> >> I may have to rebuild the whole form...which sucks because it is very >> complex. :( >> >> David >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Max Wanadoo > wrote: >>> David, >>> Try COPYING a list box that works and then change the attributes to what >>> you >>> need. >>> That sometimes works. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 30 14:06:45 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:06:45 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <4a71ee10.1c07d00a.5e89.1aa0@mx.google.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> <4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com> <4A71E01D.4090806@colbyconsulting.com> <4a71e49b.1c07d00a.389e.ffffc9da@mx.google.com> <4A71EC12.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> <4a71ee10.1c07d00a.5e89.1aa0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A71EF45.6020908@colbyconsulting.com> Yep. It just occurred to me that since it is now a common library, it is technically possible to have collisions like this. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > FWIW I thing multi-user is not a requirement. It should only be run by a > competent person, ie the develop for specific purposes and as it runs > "UNDER" the project "root" folder and is "date specific" it should never > conflict with anything else. What you could do is perhaps put a flag up to > say it is "In progress" and stop another invocation starting. > > Ma > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 30 July 2009 19:53 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? > > > Why didn't I think of that.... > > Speaking of which, I got Eatbloat (my version) populating tables to get > around the list control data > source 2K string length limitation. I created msys tables in my library > container and then populate > those tables instead of building up a huge comma delimited string for the > list control data source. > Now the table can hold as many objects as needed and the lists use the > tables as their data source. > > It just occurred to me that I may need to add "multi-user" handling because > my version can > theoretically be used in many different FEs at the same time. I'll probably > need to track which FE > the objects are coming from, something like that. > > Anyway, it works great so far. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Thu Jul 30 14:15:54 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:15:54 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <4A71EA86.9000003@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> <4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com> <4A71E01D.4090806@colbyconsulting.com><4a71e49b.1c07d00a.389e.ffffc9da@mx.google.com> <4A71EA86.9000003@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: It's quite true, although I don't recall the exact number. Both forms and reports have a limit on the number of controls that can be added over the entire life of the object. Build one, dump a bunch of controls on it and then cut them off and paste them back. Eventually, it won't work and you'll get an error. It's been around since the earliest versions. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:47 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? I have never heard of this "255 maximum controls regardless of when" thing. I would not doubt the 255 max controls part, it is the tracking of old controls that I would doubt. But Access has done stranger things. I have no idea where it would store tracking for old deleted controls, however given the rename tracking stuff it is probably out there somewhere. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Why didn't I think of that.... > > Max > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 30 July 2009 19:02 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? > > Export it out to a text file, then import it back in to a new name. > Delete the old, rename the new back to the old name. That might break > the spell. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > David McAfee wrote: >> I have. >> >> I've even completely rebuilt it. I think it may be the form that is >> some > how >> corrupt. >> >> I remember reading somewhere that a form can only have 255 controls, >> even > if >> its over time (deleting controls, adding controls, deleting controls). >> I have redesigned this form for a department that didnt know what it >> was that they want five times. >> >> I'm wondering if this somehow could be an issue. >> >> I may have to rebuild the whole form...which sucks because it is very >> complex. :( >> >> David >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Max Wanadoo > wrote: >>> David, >>> Try COPYING a list box that works and then change the attributes to >>> what you need. >>> That sometimes works. >>> >>> Max >>> >>> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Thu Jul 30 15:16:00 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:16:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <4A71EA86.9000003@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> <4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com> <4A71E01D.4090806@colbyconsulting.com><4a71e49b.1c07d00a.389e.ffffc9da@mx.google.com> <4A71EA86.9000003@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <8B38CF3A98AB45EDACC6CE2CB281F640@jislaptopdev> ...its 754 over the lifetime ...chk your help file under specifications. ...not tried it but I'd think export to txt might reset this since its essentially a new form William -------------------------------------------------- From: "jwcolby" Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:46 PM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? > I have never heard of this "255 maximum controls regardless of when" > thing. I would not doubt the > 255 max controls part, it is the tracking of old controls that I would > doubt. But Access has done > stranger things. I have no idea where it would store tracking for old > deleted controls, however > given the rename tracking stuff it is probably out there somewhere. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: >> Why didn't I think of that.... >> >> Max >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: 30 July 2009 19:02 >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all >> rows? >> >> Export it out to a text file, then import it back in to a new name. >> Delete >> the old, rename the new >> back to the old name. That might break the spell. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> David McAfee wrote: >>> I have. >>> >>> I've even completely rebuilt it. I think it may be the form that is some >> how >>> corrupt. >>> >>> I remember reading somewhere that a form can only have 255 controls, >>> even >> if >>> its over time (deleting controls, adding controls, deleting controls). >>> I have redesigned this form for a department that didnt know what it was >>> that they want five times. >>> >>> I'm wondering if this somehow could be an issue. >>> >>> I may have to rebuild the whole form...which sucks because it is very >>> complex. :( >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Max Wanadoo >> wrote: >>>> David, >>>> Try COPYING a list box that works and then change the attributes to >>>> what >>>> you >>>> need. >>>> That sometimes works. >>>> >>>> Max >>>> >>>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Thu Jul 30 15:22:13 2009 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:22:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Speed up this query? Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102EAD5@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Any ideas on how to speed up this query other than get a better computer? Table Configmaster is a linked access table on a network drive. Other two tables are native tables on my local C drive. SELECT [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern].Pattern, [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ForecastDate, [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ProducerWellname, [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].SumOfRBI AS Inner_Injection_Total, [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern].RBI AS Outer_Injection_Total FROM ([tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer] INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ProducerWellname = ConfigMaster.ChildPID) INNER JOIN [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern] ON (ConfigMaster.PID = [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern].Pattern) AND ([tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ForecastDate = [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern].ForecastDate) ORDER BY [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern].Pattern, [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ForecastDate, [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ProducerWellname; Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 ? No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Thu Jul 30 15:27:03 2009 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:27:03 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Recall: Speed up this query? Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102EAD9@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Kaup, Chester would like to recall the message, "Speed up this query?". From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 30 15:34:01 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:34:01 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Speed up this query? In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102EAD5@houex1.kindermorgan.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102EAD5@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <4A7203B9.7020109@colbyconsulting.com> If not done already, index the join and where fields. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Kaup, Chester wrote: > Any ideas on how to speed up this query other than get a better computer? Table Configmaster is a linked access table on a network drive. Other two tables are native tables on my local C drive. > > SELECT [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern].Pattern, > [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ForecastDate, > [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ProducerWellname, > [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].SumOfRBI AS Inner_Injection_Total, > [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern].RBI AS Outer_Injection_Total > FROM ([tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer] > INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON > [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ProducerWellname = ConfigMaster.ChildPID) > INNER JOIN [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern] ON (ConfigMaster.PID = [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern].Pattern) AND ([tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ForecastDate = [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern].ForecastDate) > ORDER BY [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern].Pattern, > [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ForecastDate, > [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ProducerWellname; > > Chester Kaup > Engineering Technician > Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP > Office (432) 688-3797 > FAX (432) 688-3799 > > > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > > From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Thu Jul 30 15:44:27 2009 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:44:27 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Speed up this query? In-Reply-To: <4A7203B9.7020109@colbyconsulting.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102EAD5@houex1.kindermorgan.com> <4A7203B9.7020109@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102EAE5@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Tried making the server table local and query runs normal. Thanks for the ideas. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:34 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Speed up this query? If not done already, index the join and where fields. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Kaup, Chester wrote: > Any ideas on how to speed up this query other than get a better computer? Table Configmaster is a linked access table on a network drive. Other two tables are native tables on my local C drive. > > SELECT [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern].Pattern, > [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ForecastDate, > [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ProducerWellname, > [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].SumOfRBI AS Inner_Injection_Total, > [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern].RBI AS Outer_Injection_Total > FROM ([tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer] > INNER JOIN ConfigMaster ON > [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ProducerWellname = ConfigMaster.ChildPID) > INNER JOIN [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern] ON (ConfigMaster.PID = [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern].Pattern) AND ([tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ForecastDate = [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern].ForecastDate) > ORDER BY [tbl Injection Volume Total around a Pattern].Pattern, > [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ForecastDate, > [tbl Injected Volume Total around Producer].ProducerWellname; > > Chester Kaup > Engineering Technician > Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP > Office (432) 688-3797 > FAX (432) 688-3799 > > > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 16:24:12 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:24:12 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <8B38CF3A98AB45EDACC6CE2CB281F640@jislaptopdev> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> <4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com> <4A71E01D.4090806@colbyconsulting.com> <4a71e49b.1c07d00a.389e.ffffc9da@mx.google.com> <4A71EA86.9000003@colbyconsulting.com> <8B38CF3A98AB45EDACC6CE2CB281F640@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907301424s5f6b1452r7545b5a1e079c202@mail.gmail.com> The Export /import doesnt fix the problem. I decompiled, that didnt do it either :( I think I'm going to just rebuild the form from scratch. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:16 PM, William Hindman < wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote: > ...its 754 over the lifetime ...chk your help file under specifications. > ...not tried it but I'd think export to txt might reset this since its > essentially a new form > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "jwcolby" > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:46 PM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? > > > I have never heard of this "255 maximum controls regardless of when" > > thing. I would not doubt the > > 255 max controls part, it is the tracking of old controls that I would > > doubt. But Access has done > > stranger things. I have no idea where it would store tracking for old > > deleted controls, however > > given the rename tracking stuff it is probably out there somewhere. > > > > John W. Colby > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: > >> Why didn't I think of that.... > >> > >> Max > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > >> Sent: 30 July 2009 19:02 > >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all > >> rows? > >> > >> Export it out to a text file, then import it back in to a new name. > >> Delete > >> the old, rename the new > >> back to the old name. That might break the spell. > >> > >> John W. Colby > >> www.ColbyConsulting.com > >> > >> > >> David McAfee wrote: > >>> I have. > >>> > >>> I've even completely rebuilt it. I think it may be the form that is > some > >> how > >>> corrupt. > >>> > >>> I remember reading somewhere that a form can only have 255 controls, > >>> even > >> if > >>> its over time (deleting controls, adding controls, deleting controls). > >>> I have redesigned this form for a department that didnt know what it > was > >>> that they want five times. > >>> > >>> I'm wondering if this somehow could be an issue. > >>> > >>> I may have to rebuild the whole form...which sucks because it is very > >>> complex. :( > >>> > >>> David > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Max Wanadoo > >> wrote: > >>>> David, > >>>> Try COPYING a list box that works and then change the attributes to > >>>> what > >>>> you > >>>> need. > >>>> That sometimes works. > >>>> > >>>> Max > >>>> > >>>> > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 30 16:28:16 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:28:16 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <4A71EC12.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com>, <4a71e49b.1c07d00a.389e.ffffc9da@mx.google.com>, <4A71EC12.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A721070.15773.291A804E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> The convention is to leave msys tables to Access. Use usys for your own additional system tables. On 30 Jul 2009 at 14:53, jwcolby wrote: source 2K string length limitation. I created msys tables in my library container and then populate From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 18:57:26 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:57:26 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <4a71d39e.0a1ad00a.6f64.ffffb699@mx.google.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> <4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com> <4a71d39e.0a1ad00a.6f64.ffffb699@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8786a4c00907301657q4e94777ld3243e8a09f88ff9@mail.gmail.com> I took this bit of advice, deleted the tab control, and all listboxes. Built a new list box and using buttons, changed the listbox rowsource and it seems to be working. David On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Hmm difficult David, without seeing it. > What I tend to do is to have the tabs replaced with buttons (make them look > similar) and in the main form I have ONE sub form. > > Depending which button they click, the embedded sub form name is changed > and > it is then requeried. Effectively this means (for 5 tab items, 5 > same-sized > sub forms) but each one is only loaded when required (JIT). This also > reduces the load time for a form with many tabs with many associated > populating of controls on them. > > Max > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: 30 July 2009 17:59 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? > > I have. > > I've even completely rebuilt it. I think it may be the form that is some > how > corrupt. > > I remember reading somewhere that a form can only have 255 controls, even > if > its over time (deleting controls, adding controls, deleting controls). > I have redesigned this form for a department that didnt know what it was > that they want five times. > > I'm wondering if this somehow could be an issue. > > I may have to rebuild the whole form...which sucks because it is very > complex. :( > > David > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Max Wanadoo > wrote: > > > David, > > Try COPYING a list box that works and then change the attributes to what > > you > > need. > > That sometimes works. > > > > Max > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Jul 30 19:55:00 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:55:00 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <4A721070.15773.291A804E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com>, <4a71e49b.1c07d00a.389e.ffffc9da@mx.google.com>, <4A71EC12.2020403@colbyconsulting.com> <4A721070.15773.291A804E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4A7240E4.7040006@colbyconsulting.com> Yes, I know that. In this specific case eatbloat specifically avoids msys tables but would export / import usys tables. I don't want these tables exported, thus I named them msys. It's a feature. ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Stuart McLachlan wrote: > The convention is to leave msys tables to Access. Use usys for your own additional system > tables. > > On 30 Jul 2009 at 14:53, jwcolby wrote: > > source 2K string length limitation. I created msys tables in my library container and then populate > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 30 20:20:04 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:20:04 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <4A7240E4.7040006@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com>, <4A721070.15773.291A804E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4A7240E4.7040006@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4A7246C4.21348.29EEB98A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Doh! Good thinking JC. -- Stuart On 30 Jul 2009 at 20:55, jwcolby wrote: > Yes, I know that. In this specific case eatbloat specifically avoids msys tables but would export / > import usys tables. I don't want these tables exported, thus I named them msys. > > It's a feature. ;) > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > The convention is to leave msys tables to Access. Use usys for your own additional system > > tables. > > > > On 30 Jul 2009 at 14:53, jwcolby wrote: > > > > source 2K string length limitation. I created msys tables in my library container and then populate > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 03:33:32 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:33:32 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <4A7246C4.21348.29EEB98A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com>, <4A721070.15773.291A804E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4A7240E4.7040006@colbyconsulting.com> <4A7246C4.21348.29EEB98A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4a72acbf.0508d00a.6a29.07fe@mx.google.com> Actually... 1. You can tell it to avoid usys too if you wanted. But... 2. I don't think this is the way to go as doing this increases bloat in itself - ahem! Better to write the list out to an ascii text file and then populate a combo selection box from the contents. That way, no bloat within the mdb and no msys/usys problems. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 31 July 2009 02:20 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? Doh! Good thinking JC. -- Stuart On 30 Jul 2009 at 20:55, jwcolby wrote: > Yes, I know that. In this specific case eatbloat specifically avoids msys tables but would export / > import usys tables. I don't want these tables exported, thus I named them msys. > > It's a feature. ;) > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > The convention is to leave msys tables to Access. Use usys for your own additional system > > tables. > > > > On 30 Jul 2009 at 14:53, jwcolby wrote: > > > > source 2K string length limitation. I created msys tables in my library container and then populate > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 03:37:58 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:37:58 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00907301657q4e94777ld3243e8a09f88ff9@mail.gmail.com> References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com> <00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com> <8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com> <4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com> <4a71d39e.0a1ad00a.6f64.ffffb699@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00907301657q4e94777ld3243e8a09f88ff9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a72adcb.0506d00a.63fb.131b@mx.google.com> Well done - way to go man!! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: 31 July 2009 00:57 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? I took this bit of advice, deleted the tab control, and all listboxes. Built a new list box and using buttons, changed the listbox rowsource and it seems to be working. David On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Hmm difficult David, without seeing it. > What I tend to do is to have the tabs replaced with buttons (make them look > similar) and in the main form I have ONE sub form. > > Depending which button they click, the embedded sub form name is changed > and > it is then requeried. Effectively this means (for 5 tab items, 5 > same-sized > sub forms) but each one is only loaded when required (JIT). This also > reduces the load time for a form with many tabs with many associated > populating of controls on them. > > Max > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: 30 July 2009 17:59 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows? > > I have. > > I've even completely rebuilt it. I think it may be the form that is some > how > corrupt. > > I remember reading somewhere that a form can only have 255 controls, even > if > its over time (deleting controls, adding controls, deleting controls). > I have redesigned this form for a department that didnt know what it was > that they want five times. > > I'm wondering if this somehow could be an issue. > > I may have to rebuild the whole form...which sucks because it is very > complex. :( > > David > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Max Wanadoo > wrote: > > > David, > > Try COPYING a list box that works and then change the attributes to what > > you > > need. > > That sometimes works. > > > > Max > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 03:53:54 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:53:54 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items Message-ID: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com> This is where your bits go. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm Smart Phone matters http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530 Attack on your iphone http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-security/ max From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 04:18:26 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:18:26 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday:mmm Message-ID: <4a72b749.0508d00a.1634.ffff8f44@mx.google.com> I was in the pub yesterday when I suddenly realized I desperately needed to fart. The music was really, really loud, so I timed my farts with the beat. After a couple of songs, I started to feel better. I finished my pint and noticed that everybody was staring at me. Then I suddenly remembered that I was listening to my iPod. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 31 07:50:33 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:50:33 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items In-Reply-To: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com> References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3A5969E16FA94BFD8AB52D7D7ACBEB2A@HAL9005> I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server. Today download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps. I use Road Runner from Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for the service. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items This is where your bits go. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm Smart Phone matters http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530 Attack on your iphone http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-security/ max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 07:51:58 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:51:58 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT: IE Refusing to load an Active X Message-ID: <4a72e96a.0702d00a.3ef4.ffffda28@mx.google.com> http://www.windowsreference.com/internet-explorer/windows-has-blocked-this-s oftware-because-it-cant-verify-the-publisher/ Some may find this useful? Max# From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Jul 31 08:15:34 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:15:34 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday:mmm In-Reply-To: <4a72b749.0508d00a.1634.ffff8f44@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <550F3C9C8108494EBB1B53896703E888@MINSTER> ROTFL Good to see Friday Humour back. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 31 July 2009 10:18 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday:mmm I was in the pub yesterday when I suddenly realized I desperately needed to fart. The music was really, really loud, so I timed my farts with the beat. After a couple of songs, I started to feel better. I finished my pint and noticed that everybody was staring at me. Then I suddenly remembered that I was listening to my iPod. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 08:18:37 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:18:37 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items In-Reply-To: <3A5969E16FA94BFD8AB52D7D7ACBEB2A@HAL9005> References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com> <3A5969E16FA94BFD8AB52D7D7ACBEB2A@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a72efa9.0a1ad00a.551b.ffff8264@mx.google.com> 1116 down and 307 up Using seattle server from Speakeasy from the UK Btw, I am on a dongle wireless (what you guys call a cellphone) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 31 July 2009 13:51 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server. Today download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps. I use Road Runner from Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for the service. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items This is where your bits go. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm Smart Phone matters http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530 Attack on your iphone http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-security/ max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Jul 31 08:32:22 2009 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:32:22 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday:mmm In-Reply-To: <4a72b749.0508d00a.1634.ffff8f44@mx.google.com> References: <4a72b749.0508d00a.1634.ffff8f44@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A72F266.2080203@torchlake.com> ROTFL!!!!! :) T Max Wanadoo wrote: > I was in the pub yesterday when I suddenly realized I desperately needed to > fart. The music was really, really loud, so I timed my farts with the > beat. > > After a couple of songs, I started to feel better. I finished my pint and > noticed that everybody was staring at me. > > > > > Then I suddenly remembered that I was listening to my iPod. > > > > > > > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 08:32:07 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:32:07 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army... In-Reply-To: <550F3C9C8108494EBB1B53896703E888@MINSTER> References: <4a72b749.0508d00a.1634.ffff8f44@mx.google.com> <550F3C9C8108494EBB1B53896703E888@MINSTER> Message-ID: <4a72f2dd.0a04d00a.0615.fffffcb2@mx.google.com> Hi Andy, Well, just make sure you don't say ANYTHING to upset the Aussies....here's why.. Hiya OZ - (Waving my hand) Love you guys (waving both hands) Read it s.l.o.w.l.y. to enjoy it. Max Life in the Australian Army... Text of a letter from a kid from Eromanga to Mum and Dad. (For Those of you not in the know, Eromanga is a small town, west of Quilpie in the far south west of Queensland ) Dear Mum & Dad I am well. Hope youse are too. Tell me big brothers Doug and Phil that the Army is better than workin' on the station - tell them to get in bloody quick smart before the jobs are all gone! I wuz a bit slow in settling down at first, because ya don't hafta get outta bed until 6am. But I like sleeping in now, cuz all ya gotta do before brekky is make ya bed and shine ya boots and clean ya uniform. No bloody horses to get in, no calves to feed, no troughs to clean - nothin'!! Ya haz gotta shower though, but its not so bad, coz there's lotsa hot water and even a light to see what ya doing! At brekky ya get cereal, fruit and eggs but there's no kangaroo steaks or goanna stew like wot Mum makes. You don't get fed again until noon and by that time all the city boys are buggered because we've been on a 'route march' - geez its only just like walking to the windmill in the bullock paddock!! This one will kill me brothers Doug and Phil with laughter. I keep getting medals for shootin' - dunno why. The bullseye is as big as a bloody dingo's arse and it don't move and it's not firing back at ya like the Johnsons did when our big scrubber bull got into their prize cows before the Ekka last year! All ya gotta do is make yourself comfortable and hit the target - it's a piece of piss!! You don't even load your own cartridges, they comes in little boxes, and ya don't have to steady yourself against the rollbar of the roo shooting truck when you reload! Sometimes ya gotta wrestle with the city boys and I gotta be real careful coz they break easy - it's not like fighting with Doug and Phil and Jack and Boori and Steve and Muzza all at once like we do at home after the muster. Turns out I'm not a bad boxer either and it looks like I'm the best the platoon's got, and I've only been beaten by this one bloke from the Engineers - he's 6 foot 5 and 15 stone and three pick handles across the shoulders and as ya know I'm only 5 foot 7 and eight stone wringin' wet, but I fought him till the other blokes carried me off to the boozer. I can't complain about the Army - tell the boys to get in quick before word gets around how bloody good it is. Your loving daughter Sheila -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 31 July 2009 14:16 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:mmm ROTFL Good to see Friday Humour back. Andy From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 31 08:35:17 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 06:35:17 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items In-Reply-To: <4a72efa9.0a1ad00a.551b.ffff8264@mx.google.com> References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com><3A5969E16FA94BFD8AB52D7D7ACBEB2A@HAL9005> <4a72efa9.0a1ad00a.551b.ffff8264@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Is that good for wireless? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items 1116 down and 307 up Using seattle server from Speakeasy from the UK Btw, I am on a dongle wireless (what you guys call a cellphone) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 31 July 2009 13:51 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server. Today download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps. I use Road Runner from Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for the service. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items This is where your bits go. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm Smart Phone matters http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530 Attack on your iphone http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-security/ max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 08:38:47 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:38:47 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items In-Reply-To: References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com><3A5969E16FA94BFD8AB52D7D7ACBEB2A@HAL9005> <4a72efa9.0a1ad00a.551b.ffff8264@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a72f46d.1c05d00a.6153.ffffaf58@mx.google.com> Not really, I am not happy with it anyway. Might try another carrier. It is blinking useful though - on my laptop with a connection anywhere (almost) Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 31 July 2009 14:35 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items Is that good for wireless? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items 1116 down and 307 up Using seattle server from Speakeasy from the UK Btw, I am on a dongle wireless (what you guys call a cellphone) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 31 July 2009 13:51 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server. Today download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps. I use Road Runner from Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for the service. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items This is where your bits go. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm Smart Phone matters http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530 Attack on your iphone http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-security/ max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 31 09:07:01 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:07:01 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items In-Reply-To: <4a72f46d.1c05d00a.6153.ffffaf58@mx.google.com> References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com><3A5969E16FA94BFD8AB52D7D7ACBEB2A@HAL9005> <4a72efa9.0a1ad00a.551b.ffff8264@mx.google.com> <4a72f46d.1c05d00a.6153.ffffaf58@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <42548601AFB5442C911093BCFA381524@HAL9005> You're out of the office a lot then, or away from your broadband connection? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:39 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items Not really, I am not happy with it anyway. Might try another carrier. It is blinking useful though - on my laptop with a connection anywhere (almost) Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 31 July 2009 14:35 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items Is that good for wireless? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items 1116 down and 307 up Using seattle server from Speakeasy from the UK Btw, I am on a dongle wireless (what you guys call a cellphone) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 31 July 2009 13:51 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server. Today download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps. I use Road Runner from Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for the service. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items This is where your bits go. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm Smart Phone matters http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530 Attack on your iphone http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-security/ max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Fri Jul 31 09:09:35 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:09:35 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items In-Reply-To: <4a72efa9.0a1ad00a.551b.ffff8264@mx.google.com> References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com><3A5969E16FA94BFD8AB52D7D7ACBEB2A@HAL9005> <4a72efa9.0a1ad00a.551b.ffff8264@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0F22616BE1734E5CB69A48745F1FB307@jislaptopdev> 18556 down and 2389 up using Speakeasy from Atlanta I'm on Comcast fiber ...$53 a month. I bitch like hell when I have to dl anything at a client, most are still on dsl. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Max Wanadoo" Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 9:18 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > 1116 down and 307 up > > Using seattle server from Speakeasy from the UK > > Btw, I am on a dongle wireless (what you guys call a cellphone) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 31 July 2009 13:51 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server. Today > download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps. I use Road Runner from > Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for the service. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > > > This is where your bits go. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm > > > > Smart Phone matters > > http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530 > > > > > > Attack on your iphone > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-security/ > > > > > > > > max > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 09:16:07 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:16:07 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items In-Reply-To: <42548601AFB5442C911093BCFA381524@HAL9005> References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com><3A5969E16FA94BFD8AB52D7D7ACBEB2A@HAL9005> <4a72efa9.0a1ad00a.551b.ffff8264@mx.google.com> <4a72f46d.1c05d00a.6153.ffffaf58@mx.google.com> <42548601AFB5442C911093BCFA381524@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4a72fd34.0a04d00a.3449.0cbb@mx.google.com> Hmm, not really, it is just that as it plugs into ANY usb port on any computer, I get internet access anywhere anytime via the dongle. Don't need anything else. When I plug it in, if it is the first time, it installs its own software (if not my pc, then set a restore point first) and away we go. If I have another memory stick with me then I have my full access app plus web connection and both fit into my pocket - cool eh? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 31 July 2009 15:07 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items You're out of the office a lot then, or away from your broadband connection? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:39 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items Not really, I am not happy with it anyway. Might try another carrier. It is blinking useful though - on my laptop with a connection anywhere (almost) Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 31 July 2009 14:35 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items Is that good for wireless? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items 1116 down and 307 up Using seattle server from Speakeasy from the UK Btw, I am on a dongle wireless (what you guys call a cellphone) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 31 July 2009 13:51 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server. Today download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps. I use Road Runner from Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for the service. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items This is where your bits go. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm Smart Phone matters http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530 Attack on your iphone http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-security/ max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Fri Jul 31 09:22:07 2009 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:22:07 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday:mmm In-Reply-To: <4a72b749.0508d00a.1634.ffff8f44@mx.google.com> References: <4a72b749.0508d00a.1634.ffff8f44@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Priceless, ROTFLMAO, good though you didn't have a surprise...Suprise=Definition=A fart with a lump in it. Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:18 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday:mmm I was in the pub yesterday when I suddenly realized I desperately needed to fart. The music was really, really loud, so I timed my farts with the beat. After a couple of songs, I started to feel better. I finished my pint and noticed that everybody was staring at me. Then I suddenly remembered that I was listening to my iPod. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Jul 31 09:31:01 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:31:01 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army... In-Reply-To: <4a72f2dd.0a04d00a.0615.fffffcb2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <170BB605A7A24C2E9BE8C3D1362408C9@MINSTER> Looking forward to Darren's response Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 31 July 2009 14:32 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army... Hi Andy, Well, just make sure you don't say ANYTHING to upset the Aussies....here's why.. Hiya OZ - (Waving my hand) Love you guys (waving both hands) Read it s.l.o.w.l.y. to enjoy it. Max Life in the Australian Army... Text of a letter from a kid from Eromanga to Mum and Dad. (For Those of you not in the know, Eromanga is a small town, west of Quilpie in the far south west of Queensland ) Dear Mum & Dad I am well. Hope youse are too. Tell me big brothers Doug and Phil that the Army is better than workin' on the station - tell them to get in bloody quick smart before the jobs are all gone! I wuz a bit slow in settling down at first, because ya don't hafta get outta bed until 6am. But I like sleeping in now, cuz all ya gotta do before brekky is make ya bed and shine ya boots and clean ya uniform. No bloody horses to get in, no calves to feed, no troughs to clean - nothin'!! Ya haz gotta shower though, but its not so bad, coz there's lotsa hot water and even a light to see what ya doing! At brekky ya get cereal, fruit and eggs but there's no kangaroo steaks or goanna stew like wot Mum makes. You don't get fed again until noon and by that time all the city boys are buggered because we've been on a 'route march' - geez its only just like walking to the windmill in the bullock paddock!! This one will kill me brothers Doug and Phil with laughter. I keep getting medals for shootin' - dunno why. The bullseye is as big as a bloody dingo's arse and it don't move and it's not firing back at ya like the Johnsons did when our big scrubber bull got into their prize cows before the Ekka last year! All ya gotta do is make yourself comfortable and hit the target - it's a piece of piss!! You don't even load your own cartridges, they comes in little boxes, and ya don't have to steady yourself against the rollbar of the roo shooting truck when you reload! Sometimes ya gotta wrestle with the city boys and I gotta be real careful coz they break easy - it's not like fighting with Doug and Phil and Jack and Boori and Steve and Muzza all at once like we do at home after the muster. Turns out I'm not a bad boxer either and it looks like I'm the best the platoon's got, and I've only been beaten by this one bloke from the Engineers - he's 6 foot 5 and 15 stone and three pick handles across the shoulders and as ya know I'm only 5 foot 7 and eight stone wringin' wet, but I fought him till the other blokes carried me off to the boozer. I can't complain about the Army - tell the boys to get in quick before word gets around how bloody good it is. Your loving daughter Sheila -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 31 July 2009 14:16 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:mmm ROTFL Good to see Friday Humour back. Andy -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 09:40:28 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:40:28 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Kock Message-ID: <4a7302e0.0a1ad00a.6f64.261f@mx.google.com> Might be useful for those who track projects, times etc. http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=820287 &tag=nl.e530 max From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 31 10:12:41 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:12:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] Kock References: <4a7302e0.0a1ad00a.6f64.261f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20421E1758D549D19F2275C946F1630C@Mattys> It looks useful, but it warns about unrestricted access to my computer and the internet. Seems kinda 'unfinished' - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:40 AM Subject: [AccessD] Kock > Might be useful for those who track projects, times etc. > > > > http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=820287 > > &tag=nl.e530 > > > > max > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kismert at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 10:16:09 2009 From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:16:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Message-ID: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com> A dynamic SQL morality tale: http://xkcd.com/327/ From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jul 31 10:22:30 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:22:30 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT Friday: Some interesting news items In-Reply-To: <42548601AFB5442C911093BCFA381524@HAL9005> References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com><3A5969E16FA94BFD8AB52D7D7ACBEB2A@HAL9005> <4a72efa9.0a1ad00a.551b.ffff8264@mx.google.com> <4a72f46d.1c05d00a.6153.ffffaf58@mx.google.com> <42548601AFB5442C911093BCFA381524@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4A730C36.5090804@colbyconsulting.com> Down at the pub all day more like it. ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin wrote: > You're out of the office a lot then, or away from your broadband connection? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:39 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > Not really, I am not happy with it anyway. > > Might try another carrier. It is blinking useful though - on my laptop with > a connection anywhere (almost) > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 31 July 2009 14:35 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > Is that good for wireless? > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:19 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > 1116 down and 307 up > > Using seattle server from Speakeasy from the UK > > Btw, I am on a dongle wireless (what you guys call a cellphone) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 31 July 2009 13:51 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server. Today > download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps. I use Road Runner from > Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for the service. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > > > This is where your bits go. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm > > > > Smart Phone matters > > http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530 > > > > > > Attack on your iphone > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-security/ > > > > > > > > max > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Jul 31 10:26:25 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:26:25 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A730D21.8070305@colbyconsulting.com> That is priceless. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Kenneth Ismert wrote: > A dynamic SQL morality tale: > http://xkcd.com/327/ From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 10:36:26 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:36:26 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT Friday: Some interesting news items In-Reply-To: <4A730C36.5090804@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com><3A5969E16FA94BFD8AB52D7D7ACBEB2A@HAL9005> <4a72efa9.0a1ad00a.551b.ffff8264@mx.google.com> <4a72f46d.1c05d00a.6153.ffffaf58@mx.google.com> <42548601AFB5442C911093BCFA381524@HAL9005> <4A730C36.5090804@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a731002.1818d00a.4240.2e3c@mx.google.com> Yeah, but no iPod jokes, ok? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 31 July 2009 16:23 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT Friday: Some interesting news items Down at the pub all day more like it. ;) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin wrote: > You're out of the office a lot then, or away from your broadband connection? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:39 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > Not really, I am not happy with it anyway. > > Might try another carrier. It is blinking useful though - on my laptop with > a connection anywhere (almost) > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 31 July 2009 14:35 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > Is that good for wireless? > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:19 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > 1116 down and 307 up > > Using seattle server from Speakeasy from the UK > > Btw, I am on a dongle wireless (what you guys call a cellphone) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 31 July 2009 13:51 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server. Today > download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps. I use Road Runner from > Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for the service. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > > > This is where your bits go. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm > > > > Smart Phone matters > > http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530 > > > > > > Attack on your iphone > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-security/ > > > > > > > > max > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Fri Jul 31 10:54:59 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:54:59 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army... In-Reply-To: <4a72f2dd.0a04d00a.0615.fffffcb2@mx.google.com> References: <4a72b749.0508d00a.1634.ffff8f44@mx.google.com><550F3C9C8108494EBB1B53896703E888@MINSTER> <4a72f2dd.0a04d00a.0615.fffffcb2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: ROTFLMAO!! Go, Sheilas!! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:32 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army... Hi Andy, Well, just make sure you don't say ANYTHING to upset the Aussies....here's why.. Hiya OZ - (Waving my hand) Love you guys (waving both hands) Read it s.l.o.w.l.y. to enjoy it. Max Life in the Australian Army... Text of a letter from a kid from Eromanga to Mum and Dad. (For Those of you not in the know, Eromanga is a small town, west of Quilpie in the far south west of Queensland ) Dear Mum & Dad I am well. Hope youse are too. Tell me big brothers Doug and Phil that the Army is better than workin' on the station - tell them to get in bloody quick smart before the jobs are all gone! I wuz a bit slow in settling down at first, because ya don't hafta get outta bed until 6am. But I like sleeping in now, cuz all ya gotta do before brekky is make ya bed and shine ya boots and clean ya uniform. No bloody horses to get in, no calves to feed, no troughs to clean - nothin'!! Ya haz gotta shower though, but its not so bad, coz there's lotsa hot water and even a light to see what ya doing! At brekky ya get cereal, fruit and eggs but there's no kangaroo steaks or goanna stew like wot Mum makes. You don't get fed again until noon and by that time all the city boys are buggered because we've been on a 'route march' - geez its only just like walking to the windmill in the bullock paddock!! This one will kill me brothers Doug and Phil with laughter. I keep getting medals for shootin' - dunno why. The bullseye is as big as a bloody dingo's arse and it don't move and it's not firing back at ya like the Johnsons did when our big scrubber bull got into their prize cows before the Ekka last year! All ya gotta do is make yourself comfortable and hit the target - it's a piece of piss!! You don't even load your own cartridges, they comes in little boxes, and ya don't have to steady yourself against the rollbar of the roo shooting truck when you reload! Sometimes ya gotta wrestle with the city boys and I gotta be real careful coz they break easy - it's not like fighting with Doug and Phil and Jack and Boori and Steve and Muzza all at once like we do at home after the muster. Turns out I'm not a bad boxer either and it looks like I'm the best the platoon's got, and I've only been beaten by this one bloke from the Engineers - he's 6 foot 5 and 15 stone and three pick handles across the shoulders and as ya know I'm only 5 foot 7 and eight stone wringin' wet, but I fought him till the other blokes carried me off to the boozer. I can't complain about the Army - tell the boys to get in quick before word gets around how bloody good it is. Your loving daughter Sheila From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 10:55:38 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:55:38 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <4A730D21.8070305@colbyconsulting.com> References: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com> <4A730D21.8070305@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4a731485.1c07d00a.4c90.1104@mx.google.com> Brilliant!! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 31 July 2009 16:26 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday That is priceless. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Kenneth Ismert wrote: > A dynamic SQL morality tale: > http://xkcd.com/327/ -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 10:56:48 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:56:48 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Kock In-Reply-To: <20421E1758D549D19F2275C946F1630C@Mattys> References: <4a7302e0.0a1ad00a.6f64.261f@mx.google.com> <20421E1758D549D19F2275C946F1630C@Mattys> Message-ID: <4a7314cb.0508d00a.61f7.20e5@mx.google.com> Hmmm, I struggled with it but to be friar I didn't try very hard. Max Not good at fish n chips -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: 31 July 2009 16:13 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Kock It looks useful, but it warns about unrestricted access to my computer and the internet. Seems kinda 'unfinished' - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:40 AM Subject: [AccessD] Kock > Might be useful for those who track projects, times etc. > > > > http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=820287 > > &tag=nl.e530 > > > > max > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 12:20:54 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:20:54 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Trying to lose weight? Message-ID: <4a732886.0508d00a.7133.2a6c@mx.google.com> A guy calls a company and orders their 5-day, 5kg weight loss program. The next day, there's a knock on the door and there stands before him a voluptuous, athletic, 19 year old babe dressed in nothing but a pair of Nike running shoes and a sign around her neck.. She introduces herself as a representative of the weight loss company. The sign reads, "If you can catch me, you can have me." Without a second thought, he takes off after her. A few miles later puffing and puffing, he finally gives up. The same girl shows up for the next four days and the same thing happens. On the fifth day, he weighs himself and is delighted to find he has lost 5kg as promised. He calls the company and orders their 5-day/10kg program. The next day there's a knock at the door and there stands the most stunning, beautiful, sexy woman he has ever seen in his life. She is wearing nothing but Reebok running shoes and a sign around her neck that reads, "If you catch me you can have me". Well, he's out the door after her like a shot. This girl is in excellent shape and he does his best, but no such luck. So for the next four days, the same routine happens with him gradually getting in better and better shape. Much to his delight on the fifth day when he weighs himself, he discovers that he has lost another 10kg as promised. He decides to go for broke and calls the company to order the 7-day/25kg program. "Are you sure?" asks the representative on the phone. "This is our most rigorous program." "Absolutely," he replies, "I haven't felt this good in years." The next day there's a knock at the door; and when he opens it he finds a huge muscular guy standing there wearing nothing but pink running shoes and a sign around his neck that reads, "If I catch you, you are mine." He lost 33 kilos that week. From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Fri Jul 31 12:55:11 2009 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:55:11 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <4a731485.1c07d00a.4c90.1104@mx.google.com> References: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com> <4A730D21.8070305@colbyconsulting.com> <4a731485.1c07d00a.4c90.1104@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001e01ca1208$0e4917b0$2adb4710$@spb.ru> Yes. This one is also so true: "Bored with the Internet" http://xkcd.com/77/ And here is a "Top 15 list" :) 1. Advanced Technology http://xkcd.com/387/ 2. Duty Calls http://xkcd.com/386/ 3. Important Life Lesson http://xkcd.com/400/ 4. Cheap GPS http://xkcd.com/407/ 5. Morning http://xkcd.com/395/ 6. Travelling Salesman Problem http://xkcd.com/399/ 7. Jealousy http://xkcd.com/420/ 8. Compiler Complaint http://xkcd.com/371/ 9. Real Programmers http://xkcd.com/378/ 10. Fuck Grapefruit http://xkcd.com/388/ 11. Too Old For This Shit http://xkcd.com/447/ 12. Estimation http://xkcd.com/612/ 13. Kilobyte http://xkcd.com/394/ 14. Babies http://xkcd.com/441/ 15. Elefino http://xkcd.com/28/ -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Brilliant!! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 31 July 2009 16:26 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday That is priceless. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Kenneth Ismert wrote: > A dynamic SQL morality tale: > http://xkcd.com/327/ -- <<< snip >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4294 (20090731) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 13:15:26 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:15:26 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <001e01ca1208$0e4917b0$2adb4710$@spb.ru> References: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com> <4A730D21.8070305@colbyconsulting.com> <4a731485.1c07d00a.4c90.1104@mx.google.com> <001e01ca1208$0e4917b0$2adb4710$@spb.ru> Message-ID: <4a73355e.0702d00a.1df1.552c@mx.google.com> Shamil, you now owe me 30 minutes of my life!! (not my fault I have a slow Net connection) Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 31 July 2009 18:55 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Yes. This one is also so true: "Bored with the Internet" http://xkcd.com/77/ And here is a "Top 15 list" :) 1. Advanced Technology http://xkcd.com/387/ 2. Duty Calls http://xkcd.com/386/ 3. Important Life Lesson http://xkcd.com/400/ 4. Cheap GPS http://xkcd.com/407/ 5. Morning http://xkcd.com/395/ 6. Travelling Salesman Problem http://xkcd.com/399/ 7. Jealousy http://xkcd.com/420/ 8. Compiler Complaint http://xkcd.com/371/ 9. Real Programmers http://xkcd.com/378/ 10. Fuck Grapefruit http://xkcd.com/388/ 11. Too Old For This Shit http://xkcd.com/447/ 12. Estimation http://xkcd.com/612/ 13. Kilobyte http://xkcd.com/394/ 14. Babies http://xkcd.com/441/ 15. Elefino http://xkcd.com/28/ -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Brilliant!! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 31 July 2009 16:26 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday That is priceless. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Kenneth Ismert wrote: > A dynamic SQL morality tale: > http://xkcd.com/327/ -- <<< snip >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4294 (20090731) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 13:18:43 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:18:43 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Message-ID: <4a733615.0508d00a.6f3c.4b74@mx.google.com> Just had this msnbc.com newsflash: Quote: Teaching new mothers how to breast-feed could save 1.3 million children's lives every year, but many women get no help and give up trying, the World Health Organization said on Friday. unquote I mean to say, how difficult can it be..any man can do it! Max From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Fri Jul 31 13:35:47 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:35:47 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash In-Reply-To: <4a733615.0508d00a.6f3c.4b74@mx.google.com> References: <4a733615.0508d00a.6f3c.4b74@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Now that is just crazy! I had two children and, trust me, it doesn't take instructions to breast feed, unless they're talking about demand versus scheduled feedings, etc. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Just had this msnbc.com newsflash: Quote: Teaching new mothers how to breast-feed could save 1.3 million children's lives every year, but many women get no help and give up trying, the World Health Organization said on Friday. unquote I mean to say, how difficult can it be..any man can do it! Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 13:50:13 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:50:13 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash In-Reply-To: References: <4a733615.0508d00a.6f3c.4b74@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a733d7b.0a04d00a.6653.6513@mx.google.com> EXACTLY! How many primates and other mammals need a college degree to do what comes naturally! Sounds like another (expensive) job for the boys, plus the entourage, etc, etc. Not having done it personally (for obvious reasons) it does seem to me that all you have to do is place the infant and lie/sit back.... My flippancy aside, this is so sad Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 31 July 2009 19:36 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Now that is just crazy! I had two children and, trust me, it doesn't take instructions to breast feed, unless they're talking about demand versus scheduled feedings, etc. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Just had this msnbc.com newsflash: Quote: Teaching new mothers how to breast-feed could save 1.3 million children's lives every year, but many women get no help and give up trying, the World Health Organization said on Friday. unquote I mean to say, how difficult can it be..any man can do it! Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From pharold at proftesting.com Fri Jul 31 14:04:34 2009 From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:04:34 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash In-Reply-To: References: <4a733615.0508d00a.6f3c.4b74@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Of my two - my daughter had to be encouraged to purse her lips and suck. She could find it but didn't make any effort toward extraction. Squeezing her jaws and lips got it started and from then on she figured it out. No problem at all with my son. Perry -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:36 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Now that is just crazy! I had two children and, trust me, it doesn't take instructions to breast feed, unless they're talking about demand versus scheduled feedings, etc. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Just had this msnbc.com newsflash: Quote: Teaching new mothers how to breast-feed could save 1.3 million children's lives every year, but many women get no help and give up trying, the World Health Organization said on Friday. unquote I mean to say, how difficult can it be..any man can do it! Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Fri Jul 31 14:07:58 2009 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:07:58 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <4a73355e.0702d00a.1df1.552c@mx.google.com> References: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com> <4A730D21.8070305@colbyconsulting.com> <4a731485.1c07d00a.4c90.1104@mx.google.com> <001e01ca1208$0e4917b0$2adb4710$@spb.ru> <4a73355e.0702d00a.1df1.552c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001f01ca1212$393d9950$abb8cbf0$@spb.ru> Max, Well, I could have told that Ken owe me X minutes of my life with his posting of this brilliant link: "A dynamic SQL morality tale" http://xkcd.com/327/ which "hooked me" to the http://xkcd.com/ site. And I have a broadband Y-something megabits Internet connection - you can imagine how many comics from this site I have got through - not all but most of them I guess :)... But I'm thanking Ken because this site is really smart and brilliant and it made me LOL many times - and good laugh helps to prolong our lives, isn't it? IOW when you get through "the below top 15 list" I expect you'll get through many LOLs and 30 minutes of your life of downloading of the comics' images will be more than enough compensated by LOLs prolonging your life... Agreed? :) -- Shamil P.S. Hint: You can use FireFox or Opera to download several images at a time on different tabs to get your downloads multiplexed - that should get saved additionally some of 30 minutes as you can look through/LOL on downloaded comics while the other ones are coming :) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:15 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Shamil, you now owe me 30 minutes of my life!! (not my fault I have a slow Net connection) Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 31 July 2009 18:55 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Yes. This one is also so true: "Bored with the Internet" http://xkcd.com/77/ And here is a "Top 15 list" :) 1. Advanced Technology http://xkcd.com/387/ 2. Duty Calls http://xkcd.com/386/ 3. Important Life Lesson http://xkcd.com/400/ 4. Cheap GPS http://xkcd.com/407/ 5. Morning http://xkcd.com/395/ 6. Travelling Salesman Problem http://xkcd.com/399/ 7. Jealousy http://xkcd.com/420/ 8. Compiler Complaint http://xkcd.com/371/ 9. Real Programmers http://xkcd.com/378/ 10. Fuck Grapefruit http://xkcd.com/388/ 11. Too Old For This Shit http://xkcd.com/447/ 12. Estimation http://xkcd.com/612/ 13. Kilobyte http://xkcd.com/394/ 14. Babies http://xkcd.com/441/ 15. Elefino http://xkcd.com/28/ -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Brilliant!! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 31 July 2009 16:26 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday That is priceless. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Kenneth Ismert wrote: > A dynamic SQL morality tale: > http://xkcd.com/327/ -- <<< snip >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4294 (20090731) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 14:12:11 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:12:11 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash References: <4a733615.0508d00a.6f3c.4b74@mx.google.com> <4a733d7b.0a04d00a.6653.6513@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5ED53FD22A7B4FFDA9ED73DC16779B2F@SusanOne> Um... I beg to differ. Not all babies take to it as easily as you might think. Some babies, and for some reasons, in particular, small babies, often have trouble latching on and hanging on. They get tired and give up. This can be a problem with any baby if the breasts become engorged before the baby has a chance to get the hang of it all. It is terribly frustrating -- I went through it twice. A lot of mothers give up when this happens and use formula instead, and not because they're stupid or lazy but because it's frustrating as hell! Susan H. > EXACTLY! > > How many primates and other mammals need a college degree to do what comes > naturally! > > Sounds like another (expensive) job for the boys, plus the entourage, etc, > etc. > > Not having done it personally (for obvious reasons) it does seem to me > that > all you have to do is place the infant and lie/sit back.... > > My flippancy aside, this is so sad > > Max > > Now that is just crazy! I had two children and, trust me, it doesn't > take instructions to breast feed, unless they're talking about demand > versus scheduled feedings, etc. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 14:10:52 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:10:52 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <001f01ca1212$393d9950$abb8cbf0$@spb.ru> References: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com> <4A730D21.8070305@colbyconsulting.com> <4a731485.1c07d00a.4c90.1104@mx.google.com> <001e01ca1208$0e4917b0$2adb4710$@spb.ru> <4a73355e.0702d00a.1df1.552c@mx.google.com> <001f01ca1212$393d9950$abb8cbf0$@spb.ru> Message-ID: <4a734255.0508d00a.7133.5f32@mx.google.com> Well, it shows how dumb I am. I thought LOL meant lots of love....I thought you loved me....duh! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 31 July 2009 20:08 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Max, Well, I could have told that Ken owe me X minutes of my life with his posting of this brilliant link: "A dynamic SQL morality tale" http://xkcd.com/327/ which "hooked me" to the http://xkcd.com/ site. And I have a broadband Y-something megabits Internet connection - you can imagine how many comics from this site I have got through - not all but most of them I guess :)... But I'm thanking Ken because this site is really smart and brilliant and it made me LOL many times - and good laugh helps to prolong our lives, isn't it? IOW when you get through "the below top 15 list" I expect you'll get through many LOLs and 30 minutes of your life of downloading of the comics' images will be more than enough compensated by LOLs prolonging your life... Agreed? :) -- Shamil P.S. Hint: You can use FireFox or Opera to download several images at a time on different tabs to get your downloads multiplexed - that should get saved additionally some of 30 minutes as you can look through/LOL on downloaded comics while the other ones are coming :) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:15 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Shamil, you now owe me 30 minutes of my life!! (not my fault I have a slow Net connection) Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 31 July 2009 18:55 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Yes. This one is also so true: "Bored with the Internet" http://xkcd.com/77/ And here is a "Top 15 list" :) 1. Advanced Technology http://xkcd.com/387/ 2. Duty Calls http://xkcd.com/386/ 3. Important Life Lesson http://xkcd.com/400/ 4. Cheap GPS http://xkcd.com/407/ 5. Morning http://xkcd.com/395/ 6. Travelling Salesman Problem http://xkcd.com/399/ 7. Jealousy http://xkcd.com/420/ 8. Compiler Complaint http://xkcd.com/371/ 9. Real Programmers http://xkcd.com/378/ 10. Fuck Grapefruit http://xkcd.com/388/ 11. Too Old For This Shit http://xkcd.com/447/ 12. Estimation http://xkcd.com/612/ 13. Kilobyte http://xkcd.com/394/ 14. Babies http://xkcd.com/441/ 15. Elefino http://xkcd.com/28/ -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:56 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Brilliant!! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 31 July 2009 16:26 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday That is priceless. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Kenneth Ismert wrote: > A dynamic SQL morality tale: > http://xkcd.com/327/ -- <<< snip >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4294 (20090731) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Jul 31 14:14:02 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:14:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] New Moms (was: OT Friday - News Flash) In-Reply-To: <4a733d7b.0a04d00a.6653.6513@mx.google.com> References: <4a733615.0508d00a.6f3c.4b74@mx.google.com> <4a733d7b.0a04d00a.6653.6513@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4321E2A460E6414293447338D54C2CA3@danwaters> Well ... I worked with a gal once who tried to breast feed her new child, but couldn't because for some reason it was very painful for her. I didn't get the whole story, but she only tried for two weeks and then had to give up. Maybe there are other situations where something's going wrong and a little information would actually help out. I doubt if a published news story is actually going to go into all the details of how breast feeding can go wrong. I'm just sittin' on the other side of the coin today! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:50 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash EXACTLY! How many primates and other mammals need a college degree to do what comes naturally! Sounds like another (expensive) job for the boys, plus the entourage, etc, etc. Not having done it personally (for obvious reasons) it does seem to me that all you have to do is place the infant and lie/sit back.... My flippancy aside, this is so sad Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 31 July 2009 19:36 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Now that is just crazy! I had two children and, trust me, it doesn't take instructions to breast feed, unless they're talking about demand versus scheduled feedings, etc. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Just had this msnbc.com newsflash: Quote: Teaching new mothers how to breast-feed could save 1.3 million children's lives every year, but many women get no help and give up trying, the World Health Organization said on Friday. unquote I mean to say, how difficult can it be..any man can do it! Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 14:18:31 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:18:31 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] New Moms (was: OT Friday - News Flash) In-Reply-To: <4321E2A460E6414293447338D54C2CA3@danwaters> References: <4a733615.0508d00a.6f3c.4b74@mx.google.com> <4a733d7b.0a04d00a.6653.6513@mx.google.com> <4321E2A460E6414293447338D54C2CA3@danwaters> Message-ID: <4a73441f.1c05d00a.7519.10e7@mx.google.com> However, the good news is: The House voted to slap restrictions on how Wall Street executives are paid after nine banks that took government aid rewarded thousands of their employees with bonuses topping $1 million each. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 31 July 2009 20:14 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Moms (was: OT Friday - News Flash) Well ... I worked with a gal once who tried to breast feed her new child, but couldn't because for some reason it was very painful for her. I didn't get the whole story, but she only tried for two weeks and then had to give up. Maybe there are other situations where something's going wrong and a little information would actually help out. I doubt if a published news story is actually going to go into all the details of how breast feeding can go wrong. I'm just sittin' on the other side of the coin today! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:50 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash EXACTLY! How many primates and other mammals need a college degree to do what comes naturally! Sounds like another (expensive) job for the boys, plus the entourage, etc, etc. Not having done it personally (for obvious reasons) it does seem to me that all you have to do is place the infant and lie/sit back.... My flippancy aside, this is so sad Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 31 July 2009 19:36 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Now that is just crazy! I had two children and, trust me, it doesn't take instructions to breast feed, unless they're talking about demand versus scheduled feedings, etc. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Just had this msnbc.com newsflash: Quote: Teaching new mothers how to breast-feed could save 1.3 million children's lives every year, but many women get no help and give up trying, the World Health Organization said on Friday. unquote I mean to say, how difficult can it be..any man can do it! Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From krosenstiel at comcast.net Fri Jul 31 14:33:50 2009 From: krosenstiel at comcast.net (Karen Rosenstiel) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:33:50 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash In-Reply-To: <4a733d7b.0a04d00a.6653.6513@mx.google.com> References: <4a733615.0508d00a.6f3c.4b74@mx.google.com> <4a733d7b.0a04d00a.6653.6513@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I nursed all three of my kids, and this was starting way back in 1969 when NO ONE was doing it. Yes it's natural -- so is dying in childbirth, for that matter. But there is more to it than you think. The first weeks are difficult because both mother and baby are just getting used to each other. Breasts can get sore, swollen, infected. The baby's cries don't yet differentiate what the baby actually wants (burping, diaper change, food, warmth, just cuddling, etc.) My middle kid was extremely big and mature at birth (9 pounds, 14 ounces, about 3 month old size). She started getting her teeth at about 3 1/2 months. Way too young to wean and not really ready for solids. Boy, there were some agonizing bites before we got it together. In the past a new mother would have a bunch of elders around for advice and support but our society generally doesn't have that any more. So yes, trained professionals do work with new mothers to get started. These folks also help with parenting skills and watch out for possible abusive situations. These services were not around when my kids were little, but I think it is a good thing. In Third World countries, companies like Nestle and Gerber have been pushing feeding formula. They've hired women to go to villages and "train" mothers to use formula and discourage breast feeding, with claims of being more modern, and safer and healthier and so forth. But it really isn't any of that. The formula is expensive so mothers naturally water it down more and the babies get less nutrients. Wather is often contaminated and the babies get sick. As traditional societies break up, there is less support for families. And of course, there was the scandal of the tainted milk in China that sickened and killed thousands of babies. Here's some a reading about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott Regards, Karen Rosenstiel Seattle WA USA -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash EXACTLY! How many primates and other mammals need a college degree to do what comes naturally! Sounds like another (expensive) job for the boys, plus the entourage, etc, etc. Not having done it personally (for obvious reasons) it does seem to me that all you have to do is place the infant and lie/sit back.... My flippancy aside, this is so sad Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 31 July 2009 19:36 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Now that is just crazy! I had two children and, trust me, it doesn't take instructions to breast feed, unless they're talking about demand versus scheduled feedings, etc. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Just had this msnbc.com newsflash: Quote: Teaching new mothers how to breast-feed could save 1.3 million children's lives every year, but many women get no help and give up trying, the World Health Organization said on Friday. unquote I mean to say, how difficult can it be..any man can do it! Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 15:02:12 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:02:12 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash In-Reply-To: References: <4a733615.0508d00a.6f3c.4b74@mx.google.com> <4a733d7b.0a04d00a.6653.6513@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a734e60.1818d00a.35de.ffff9f1a@mx.google.com> Thanks for the input Karen, obviously from what you and the others have said, there is more to it then just the headlines. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen Rosenstiel Sent: 31 July 2009 20:34 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash I nursed all three of my kids, and this was starting way back in 1969 when NO ONE was doing it. Yes it's natural -- so is dying in childbirth, for that matter. But there is more to it than you think. The first weeks are difficult because both mother and baby are just getting used to each other. Breasts can get sore, swollen, infected. The baby's cries don't yet differentiate what the baby actually wants (burping, diaper change, food, warmth, just cuddling, etc.) My middle kid was extremely big and mature at birth (9 pounds, 14 ounces, about 3 month old size). She started getting her teeth at about 3 1/2 months. Way too young to wean and not really ready for solids. Boy, there were some agonizing bites before we got it together. In the past a new mother would have a bunch of elders around for advice and support but our society generally doesn't have that any more. So yes, trained professionals do work with new mothers to get started. These folks also help with parenting skills and watch out for possible abusive situations. These services were not around when my kids were little, but I think it is a good thing. In Third World countries, companies like Nestle and Gerber have been pushing feeding formula. They've hired women to go to villages and "train" mothers to use formula and discourage breast feeding, with claims of being more modern, and safer and healthier and so forth. But it really isn't any of that. The formula is expensive so mothers naturally water it down more and the babies get less nutrients. Wather is often contaminated and the babies get sick. As traditional societies break up, there is less support for families. And of course, there was the scandal of the tainted milk in China that sickened and killed thousands of babies. Here's some a reading about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott Regards, Karen Rosenstiel Seattle WA USA -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash EXACTLY! How many primates and other mammals need a college degree to do what comes naturally! Sounds like another (expensive) job for the boys, plus the entourage, etc, etc. Not having done it personally (for obvious reasons) it does seem to me that all you have to do is place the infant and lie/sit back.... My flippancy aside, this is so sad Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 31 July 2009 19:36 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Now that is just crazy! I had two children and, trust me, it doesn't take instructions to breast feed, unless they're talking about demand versus scheduled feedings, etc. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Just had this msnbc.com newsflash: Quote: Teaching new mothers how to breast-feed could save 1.3 million children's lives every year, but many women get no help and give up trying, the World Health Organization said on Friday. unquote I mean to say, how difficult can it be..any man can do it! Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 31 15:14:43 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:14:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] New Moms (was: OT Friday - News Flash) In-Reply-To: <4a73441f.1c05d00a.7519.10e7@mx.google.com> References: <4a733615.0508d00a.6f3c.4b74@mx.google.com> <4a733d7b.0a04d00a.6653.6513@mx.google.com><4321E2A460E6414293447338D54C2CA3@danwaters> <4a73441f.1c05d00a.7519.10e7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: What restrictions? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Moms (was: OT Friday - News Flash) However, the good news is: The House voted to slap restrictions on how Wall Street executives are paid after nine banks that took government aid rewarded thousands of their employees with bonuses topping $1 million each. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 31 July 2009 20:14 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Moms (was: OT Friday - News Flash) Well ... I worked with a gal once who tried to breast feed her new child, but couldn't because for some reason it was very painful for her. I didn't get the whole story, but she only tried for two weeks and then had to give up. Maybe there are other situations where something's going wrong and a little information would actually help out. I doubt if a published news story is actually going to go into all the details of how breast feeding can go wrong. I'm just sittin' on the other side of the coin today! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:50 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash EXACTLY! How many primates and other mammals need a college degree to do what comes naturally! Sounds like another (expensive) job for the boys, plus the entourage, etc, etc. Not having done it personally (for obvious reasons) it does seem to me that all you have to do is place the infant and lie/sit back.... My flippancy aside, this is so sad Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 31 July 2009 19:36 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Now that is just crazy! I had two children and, trust me, it doesn't take instructions to breast feed, unless they're talking about demand versus scheduled feedings, etc. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:19 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash Just had this msnbc.com newsflash: Quote: Teaching new mothers how to breast-feed could save 1.3 million children's lives every year, but many women get no help and give up trying, the World Health Organization said on Friday. unquote I mean to say, how difficult can it be..any man can do it! Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 11:21:09 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:21:09 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Ambidexterous or wot? Message-ID: <4a731a81.1c05d00a.69ff.3073@mx.google.com> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32232659/ns/technology_and_science-wireless/ From dbdoug at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 16:01:25 2009 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:01:25 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Trying to lose weight? In-Reply-To: <4a732886.0508d00a.7133.2a6c@mx.google.com> References: <4a732886.0508d00a.7133.2a6c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0907311401h6071483cq721e2f22df61bef1@mail.gmail.com> Hey Max: You probably shouldn't title a message "Want to lose weight?". You can guess which mailbox it ended up in.... Doug On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > A guy calls a company and orders their 5-day, 5kg weight loss program. > > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 16:07:39 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:07:39 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Trying to lose weight? In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0907311401h6071483cq721e2f22df61bef1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a732886.0508d00a.7133.2a6c@mx.google.com> <4dd71a0c0907311401h6071483cq721e2f22df61bef1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a735d83.0a1ad00a.6f64.fffff274@mx.google.com> Right where it belongs, Doug...haha.. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: 31 July 2009 22:01 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Trying to lose weight? Hey Max: You probably shouldn't title a message "Want to lose weight?". You can guess which mailbox it ended up in.... Doug On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > A guy calls a company and orders their 5-day, 5kg weight loss program. > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Fri Jul 31 16:13:22 2009 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 01:13:22 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <4a734255.0508d00a.7133.5f32@mx.google.com> References: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com> <4A730D21.8070305@colbyconsulting.com> <4a731485.1c07d00a.4c90.1104@mx.google.com> <001e01ca1208$0e4917b0$2adb4710$@spb.ru> <4a73355e.0702d00a.1df1.552c@mx.google.com> <001f01ca1212$393d9950$abb8cbf0$@spb.ru> <4a734255.0508d00a.7133.5f32@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002601ca1223$beaa0810$3bfe1830$@spb.ru> Max, No, I meant "Laughing On (down)Loading". And here is some more stuff for LOL over weekend: "Searching 103,331 comics in 1574 series!" http://ohnorobot.com/series.pl HLOL! -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:11 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Well, it shows how dumb I am. I thought LOL meant lots of love....I thought you loved me....duh! Max <<< snip >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4295 (20090731) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Jul 31 16:17:34 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:17:34 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Trying to lose weight? In-Reply-To: <4a732886.0508d00a.7133.2a6c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <54477E5243F2412D85556DC9CBE93D8A@MINSTER> Max, you de man -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 31 July 2009 18:21 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Trying to lose weight? A guy calls a company and orders their 5-day, 5kg weight loss program. The next day, there's a knock on the door and there stands before him a voluptuous, athletic, 19 year old babe dressed in nothing but a pair of Nike running shoes and a sign around her neck.. She introduces herself as a representative of the weight loss company. The sign reads, "If you can catch me, you can have me." Without a second thought, he takes off after her. A few miles later puffing and puffing, he finally gives up. The same girl shows up for the next four days and the same thing happens. On the fifth day, he weighs himself and is delighted to find he has lost 5kg as promised. He calls the company and orders their 5-day/10kg program. The next day there's a knock at the door and there stands the most stunning, beautiful, sexy woman he has ever seen in his life. She is wearing nothing but Reebok running shoes and a sign around her neck that reads, "If you catch me you can have me". Well, he's out the door after her like a shot. This girl is in excellent shape and he does his best, but no such luck. So for the next four days, the same routine happens with him gradually getting in better and better shape. Much to his delight on the fifth day when he weighs himself, he discovers that he has lost another 10kg as promised. He decides to go for broke and calls the company to order the 7-day/25kg program. "Are you sure?" asks the representative on the phone. "This is our most rigorous program." "Absolutely," he replies, "I haven't felt this good in years." The next day there's a knock at the door; and when he opens it he finds a huge muscular guy standing there wearing nothing but pink running shoes and a sign around his neck that reads, "If I catch you, you are mine." He lost 33 kilos that week. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 16:27:11 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:27:11 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] 24 hour analogue clock for access forms In-Reply-To: <002601ca1223$beaa0810$3bfe1830$@spb.ru> References: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com> <4A730D21.8070305@colbyconsulting.com> <4a731485.1c07d00a.4c90.1104@mx.google.com> <001e01ca1208$0e4917b0$2adb4710$@spb.ru> <4a73355e.0702d00a.1df1.552c@mx.google.com> <001f01ca1212$393d9950$abb8cbf0$@spb.ru> <4a734255.0508d00a.7133.5f32@mx.google.com> <002601ca1223$beaa0810$3bfe1830$@spb.ru> Message-ID: <4a736215.1c05d00a.7266.ffff89a9@mx.google.com> Well, seeing as you are still out of bed (1.30 am?), do you know where I can find an Analogue Clock control for Access? One that looks like a wall clock but enables 24 hour dials (not 12 hour dials am/pm)? I have been looking and not finding LOL= Laugh out Loud?? LOL- Lots of Laughter LOL= Lots of Love. Any others? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 31 July 2009 22:13 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Max, No, I meant "Laughing On (down)Loading". And here is some more stuff for LOL over weekend: "Searching 103,331 comics in 1574 series!" http://ohnorobot.com/series.pl HLOL! -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:11 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Well, it shows how dumb I am. I thought LOL meant lots of love....I thought you loved me....duh! Max <<< snip >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4295 (20090731) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 16:37:22 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:37:22 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Trying to lose weight? In-Reply-To: <54477E5243F2412D85556DC9CBE93D8A@MINSTER> References: <4a732886.0508d00a.7133.2a6c@mx.google.com> <54477E5243F2412D85556DC9CBE93D8A@MINSTER> Message-ID: <4a73647f.1818d00a.18f8.fffffb3b@mx.google.com> No, not me...never worn pink in my life...you must be thinking of someone else...lol Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 31 July 2009 22:18 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Trying to lose weight? Max, you de man -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 31 July 2009 18:21 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Trying to lose weight? A guy calls a company and orders their 5-day, 5kg weight loss program. The next day, there's a knock on the door and there stands before him a voluptuous, athletic, 19 year old babe dressed in nothing but a pair of Nike running shoes and a sign around her neck.. She introduces herself as a representative of the weight loss company. The sign reads, "If you can catch me, you can have me." Without a second thought, he takes off after her. A few miles later puffing and puffing, he finally gives up. The same girl shows up for the next four days and the same thing happens. On the fifth day, he weighs himself and is delighted to find he has lost 5kg as promised. He calls the company and orders their 5-day/10kg program. The next day there's a knock at the door and there stands the most stunning, beautiful, sexy woman he has ever seen in his life. She is wearing nothing but Reebok running shoes and a sign around her neck that reads, "If you catch me you can have me". Well, he's out the door after her like a shot. This girl is in excellent shape and he does his best, but no such luck. So for the next four days, the same routine happens with him gradually getting in better and better shape. Much to his delight on the fifth day when he weighs himself, he discovers that he has lost another 10kg as promised. He decides to go for broke and calls the company to order the 7-day/25kg program. "Are you sure?" asks the representative on the phone. "This is our most rigorous program." "Absolutely," he replies, "I haven't felt this good in years." The next day there's a knock at the door; and when he opens it he finds a huge muscular guy standing there wearing nothing but pink running shoes and a sign around his neck that reads, "If I catch you, you are mine." He lost 33 kilos that week. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 31 17:42:27 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 08:42:27 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items In-Reply-To: <3A5969E16FA94BFD8AB52D7D7ACBEB2A@HAL9005> References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com>, <3A5969E16FA94BFD8AB52D7D7ACBEB2A@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4A737353.19495.2E84CAB2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Using the same server, my speeds are: Download: 127kbps Upload: 153 kbps and I pay on average $400 - 500 per month for the service. :-( On 31 Jul 2009 at 5:50, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server. Today > download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps. I use Road Runner from > Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for the service. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > > > This is where your bits go. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm > > > > Smart Phone matters > > http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530 > > > > > > Attack on your iphone > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-security/ > > > > > > > > max > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 31 17:49:57 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 08:49:57 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army... In-Reply-To: <4a72f2dd.0a04d00a.0615.fffffcb2@mx.google.com> References: <4a72b749.0508d00a.1634.ffff8f44@mx.google.com>, <550F3C9C8108494EBB1B53896703E888@MINSTER>, <4a72f2dd.0a04d00a.0615.fffffcb2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A737515.12207.2E8BA586@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> The last line cracked me up. Up til then, it reminded me of quite a few real Queenslanders I have known. -- Stuart On 31 Jul 2009 at 14:32, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Hi Andy, > > Well, just make sure you don't say ANYTHING to upset the Aussies....here's > why.. > > Hiya OZ - (Waving my hand) Love you guys (waving both hands) > > Read it s.l.o.w.l.y. to enjoy it. > > Max > > > > > > Life in the Australian Army... > > Text of a letter from a kid from Eromanga to Mum and Dad. (For Those of you > not in the know, Eromanga is a small town, west of Quilpie in the far south > west of Queensland ) > > Dear Mum & Dad > > I am well. Hope youse are too. Tell me big brothers Doug and Phil that the > Army is better than workin' on the station - tell them to get in bloody > quick smart before the jobs are all gone! I wuz a bit slow in settling down > at first, because ya don't hafta get outta bed until 6am. But I like > sleeping in now, cuz all ya gotta do before brekky is make ya bed and shine > ya boots and clean ya uniform. No bloody horses to get in, no calves to > feed, no troughs to clean - nothin'!! Ya haz gotta shower though, but its > not so bad, coz there's lotsa hot water and even a light to see what ya > doing! > > At brekky ya get cereal, fruit and eggs but there's no kangaroo steaks or > goanna stew like wot Mum makes. You don't get fed again until noon and by > that time all the city boys are buggered because we've been on a 'route > march' - geez its only just like walking to the windmill in the bullock > paddock!! > > This one will kill me brothers Doug and Phil with laughter. I keep getting > medals for shootin' - dunno why. The bullseye is as big as a bloody dingo's > arse and it don't move and it's not firing back at ya like the Johnsons did > when our big scrubber bull got into their prize cows before the Ekka last > year! All ya gotta do is make yourself comfortable and hit the target - it's > a piece of piss!! You don't even load your own cartridges, they comes in > little boxes, and ya don't have to steady yourself against the rollbar of > the roo shooting truck when you reload! > > Sometimes ya gotta wrestle with the city boys and I gotta be real careful > coz they break easy - it's not like fighting with Doug and Phil and Jack and > Boori and Steve and Muzza all at once like we do at home after the muster. > Turns out I'm not a bad boxer either and it looks like I'm the best the > platoon's got, and I've only been beaten by this one bloke from the > Engineers - he's 6 foot 5 and 15 stone and three pick handles across the > shoulders and as ya know I'm only 5 foot 7 and eight stone wringin' wet, but > I fought him till the other blokes carried me off to the boozer. > > I can't complain about the Army - tell the boys to get in quick before word > gets around how bloody good it is. > > > Your loving daughter > > Sheila > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: 31 July 2009 14:16 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:mmm > > ROTFL > > Good to see Friday Humour back. > > Andy > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 31 17:54:59 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:54:59 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items In-Reply-To: <4A737353.19495.2E84CAB2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com>, <3A5969E16FA94BFD8AB52D7D7ACBEB2A@HAL9005> <4A737353.19495.2E84CAB2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <9E550A9762054C42A074C6A6C3CBA717@HAL9005> Dial up? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:42 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items Using the same server, my speeds are: Download: 127kbps Upload: 153 kbps and I pay on average $400 - 500 per month for the service. :-( On 31 Jul 2009 at 5:50, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server. Today > download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps. I use Road Runner > from Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for the service. > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > > > This is where your bits go. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm > > > > Smart Phone matters > > http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530 > > > > > > Attack on your iphone > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-securit > y/ > > > > > > > > max > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cjlabs at worldnet.att.net Fri Jul 31 18:02:00 2009 From: cjlabs at worldnet.att.net (Carolyn Johnson) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:02:00 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Create email in Access via Thunderbird Message-ID: <4BD01FB6929F4FA7B03D9DB2E535631D@Dell> I have a database that creates and sends email either via Outlook (using Docmd.SendObject with Outlook as the default email program) or Outlook Express (using MAPI code). I now have people using Thunderbird for their email with the database. When they have Thunderbird set as the default email, the Docmd.SendObject procedure creates a text file rather than an email. >From the archives, it seems that there are some Thunderbird users on the list. Does any one know how to create/send an email from Access with Thunderbird? Is that possible? Thanks Carolyn Johnson St Louis, MO From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 31 18:08:17 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 09:08:17 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <001e01ca1208$0e4917b0$2adb4710$@spb.ru> References: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com>, <4a731485.1c07d00a.4c90.1104@mx.google.com>, <001e01ca1208$0e4917b0$2adb4710$@spb.ru> Message-ID: <4A737961.13498.2E9C70FF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> This is one of my favourites: http://xkcd.com/505/ On 31 Jul 2009 at 21:55, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > Yes. > > This one is also so true: > > "Bored with the Internet" > http://xkcd.com/77/ > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 31 18:19:26 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 09:19:26 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash In-Reply-To: <4a733d7b.0a04d00a.6653.6513@mx.google.com> References: <4a733615.0508d00a.6f3c.4b74@mx.google.com>, , <4a733d7b.0a04d00a.6653.6513@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A737BFE.12557.2EA6A6DE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> There's more to it than that. There are many reasons why women bottle feed with "infant formulas" rather than natural feeding. A major problem in under developed countries is malnourished children as a result of them being raised on watered down infant formulas rather than breast milk. In PNG it is officially illegal to sell babies bottles and teats without a doctor's prescription - but they are readily avaiable. Here's a local organisation in PNG which has been working in this area for many years. http://www.dgtp.org.pg/partner_susumama.htm "susu mama" is pidgin for "mother's milk" -- Stuart On 31 Jul 2009 at 19:50, Max Wanadoo wrote: > EXACTLY! > > How many primates and other mammals need a college degree to do what comes > naturally! > > Sounds like another (expensive) job for the boys, plus the entourage, etc, > etc. > > Not having done it personally (for obvious reasons) it does seem to me that > all you have to do is place the infant and lie/sit back.... > > My flippancy aside, this is so sad > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: 31 July 2009 19:36 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash > > Now that is just crazy! I had two children and, trust me, it doesn't > take instructions to breast feed, unless they're talking about demand > versus scheduled feedings, etc. > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:19 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday - News Flash > > Just had this msnbc.com newsflash: > > > > Quote: > > Teaching new mothers how to breast-feed could save 1.3 million > children's lives every year, but many women get no help and give up > trying, the > > World Health Organization said on Friday. unquote > > > > I mean to say, how difficult can it be..any man can do it! > > > > Max > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 31 18:30:25 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 09:30:25 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <001f01ca1212$393d9950$abb8cbf0$@spb.ru> References: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com>, <4a73355e.0702d00a.1df1.552c@mx.google.com>, <001f01ca1212$393d9950$abb8cbf0$@spb.ru> Message-ID: <4A737E91.13835.2EB0B501@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I've been following XKCD for a long time. I have a Firefox bookmark folder called "Daily". The first thing I do each morning is click on it and select "Open All in Tabs". XCD is in there as well as The Daily WTF - http://thedailywtf.com/ User Friendly - http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons The Register - http://www.theregister.co.uk/ and Nick Skipio's Picture of the Day - http://www.nickscipio.com/pod/ Note that the last is NSFW - it frequently contains explicit images of an adult nature. On 31 Jul 2009 at 23:07, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > > But I'm thanking Ken because this site is really smart and brilliant and it > made me LOL many times - and good laugh helps to prolong our lives, isn't > it? IOW when you get through "the below top 15 list" I expect you'll get > through many LOLs and 30 minutes of your life of downloading of the comics' > images will be more than enough compensated by LOLs prolonging your life... > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 31 18:39:19 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 09:39:19 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items In-Reply-To: <9E550A9762054C42A074C6A6C3CBA717@HAL9005> References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com>, <4A737353.19495.2E84CAB2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <9E550A9762054C42A074C6A6C3CBA717@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4A7380A7.241.2EB8DA0E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> No, Wireless. http://www.hitron.com.pg/wireless_2008.html Dialup is only capable of about 1/3 of those speeds. On 31 Jul 2009 at 15:54, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dial up? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:42 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > Using the same server, my speeds are: > Download: 127kbps > Upload: 153 kbps > > and I pay on average $400 - 500 per month for the service. :-( > > > On 31 Jul 2009 at 5:50, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server. Today > > download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps. I use Road Runner > > from Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for the service. > > > > Rocky > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > > > > > > > This is where your bits go. > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm > > > > > > > > Smart Phone matters > > > > http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530 > > > > > > > > > > > > Attack on your iphone > > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-securit > > y/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > max > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 31 18:55:43 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:55:43 -0700 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items In-Reply-To: <4A7380A7.241.2EB8DA0E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com>, <4A737353.19495.2E84CAB2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <9E550A9762054C42A074C6A6C3CBA717@HAL9005> <4A7380A7.241.2EB8DA0E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Fascinating website. So internet access is primarily for business customers? If you want internet for personal use at home, is it $4-500/month? R On TV it's really one world, isn't it: http://www.hitron.com.pg/wantok.html - many of the same channels we get. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:39 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items No, Wireless. http://www.hitron.com.pg/wireless_2008.html Dialup is only capable of about 1/3 of those speeds. On 31 Jul 2009 at 15:54, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dial up? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:42 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > Using the same server, my speeds are: > Download: 127kbps > Upload: 153 kbps > > and I pay on average $400 - 500 per month for the service. :-( > > > On 31 Jul 2009 at 5:50, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server. > > Today download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps. I use Road > > Runner from Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for the service. > > > > Rocky > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max > > Wanadoo > > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > > > > > > > This is where your bits go. > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm > > > > > > > > Smart Phone matters > > > > http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530 > > > > > > > > > > > > Attack on your iphone > > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-secur > > it > > y/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > max > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Fri Jul 31 19:37:03 2009 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 04:37:03 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items In-Reply-To: <4A737353.19495.2E84CAB2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com>, <3A5969E16FA94BFD8AB52D7D7ACBEB2A@HAL9005> <4A737353.19495.2E84CAB2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <002701ca1240$32ace900$9806bb00$@spb.ru> Using http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ to test from St.Petersburg, Russia - test results: Seattle, WA 4.045MBit/s - download 0.502MBit/s - upload NYC, NY 3.286MBit/s - download 0.648MBit/s - upload Dallas, TX 2.866MBit/s - download 0.565MBit/s - upload -- It's wireless (~10meters) from DELL's Inspiron 9400 through three steel-concrete walls (10-20 cm each) to WAP/router, then twisted-pair(~50meters), and then fiber-glass to my ISP CISCO routers (~5-6km from here), then backbone Internet channel to Finland(?).... It costs ~USD20/month here now, 19GB/month, more than enough for me and all my family members... -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:42 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items Using the same server, my speeds are: Download: 127kbps Upload: 153 kbps and I pay on average $400 - 500 per month for the service. :-( On 31 Jul 2009 at 5:50, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server. Today > download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps. I use Road Runner from > Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for the service. > > Rocky > > <<< snip >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4295 (20090731) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Fri Jul 31 19:37:03 2009 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 04:37:03 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <4A737E91.13835.2EB0B501@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com>, <4a73355e.0702d00a.1df1.552c@mx.google.com>, <001f01ca1212$393d9950$abb8cbf0$@spb.ru> <4A737E91.13835.2EB0B501@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <002801ca1240$3437cec0$9ca76c40$@spb.ru> Thanks, Stuart. I have got addicted somehow to all those comics today and almost missed planned software release delivery for my customer - this is why I'm still awoke at 4:10 a.m. - I have just finished building and testing a new release... BTW, I have got found http://cpuoftheheart.com should be also funny for programmers, shouldn't? Game Over. User Wins. http://cpuoftheheart.com/?comic=9 Star Fleet Captains http://cpuoftheheart.com/?comic=85 College Trials and Tribulations Part I http://cpuoftheheart.com/?comic=4 And this one from other comics series is a bit rude but funny :) Serious Emotional Disturbances http://sediverse.com/?p=83 Have nice weekend. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:30 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday I've been following XKCD for a long time. I have a Firefox bookmark folder called "Daily". The first thing I do each morning is click on it and select "Open All in Tabs". XCD is in there as well as The Daily WTF - http://thedailywtf.com/ User Friendly - http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons The Register - http://www.theregister.co.uk/ and Nick Skipio's Picture of the Day - http://www.nickscipio.com/pod/ Note that the last is NSFW - it frequently contains explicit images of an adult nature. On 31 Jul 2009 at 23:07, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > > But I'm thanking Ken because this site is really smart and brilliant and it > made me LOL many times - and good laugh helps to prolong our lives, isn't > it? IOW when you get through "the below top 15 list" I expect you'll get > through many LOLs and 30 minutes of your life of downloading of the comics' > images will be more than enough compensated by LOLs prolonging your life... > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com <<< snip >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4295 (20090731) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 31 19:37:31 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 10:37:31 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items In-Reply-To: References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com>, <4A7380A7.241.2EB8DA0E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4A738E4B.28637.2EEE2274@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> A lot of people are now using wireless connections from home. The connection itself costs $100 per month for a residential connection and $200 per month for a business connection. Since my office is in my home, I get away with the lower rate. Dialup costs about 2c per minute ($1.20 per hour) to our state monopoly telco and about 30c per hour as a connection charge to the ISP. The abve is purely for the connection. ISPs also charge per MB downloaded, so it's really up to the user to determine how much they download and how much they pay. A basic dialup plan will cost about $25 per month for the first 150MB and then about 15c per additional MB In my case, I effectively pay about 8c per MB - so for example, the "free" 434MB Vista SP1 costs me about $35 to download.( and it will take about 8 hours). -- Stuart On 31 Jul 2009 at 16:55, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Fascinating website. So internet access is primarily for business > customers? If you want internet for personal use at home, is it > $4-500/month? > > R > > On TV it's really one world, isn't it: http://www.hitron.com.pg/wantok.html > - many of the same channels we get. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:39 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > No, Wireless. > > http://www.hitron.com.pg/wireless_2008.html > > Dialup is only capable of about 1/3 of those speeds. > > > On 31 Jul 2009 at 15:54, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Dial up? > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > > McLachlan > > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:42 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > > > Using the same server, my speeds are: > > Download: 127kbps > > Upload: 153 kbps > > > > and I pay on average $400 - 500 per month for the service. :-( > > > > > > On 31 Jul 2009 at 5:50, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > > > I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server. > > > Today download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps. I use Road > > > Runner from Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for the > service. > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max > > > Wanadoo > > > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items > > > > > > > > > > > > This is where your bits go. > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm > > > > > > > > > > > > Smart Phone matters > > > > > > http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attack on your iphone > > > > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-secur > > > it > > > y/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > max > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru Fri Jul 31 19:40:53 2009 From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 04:40:53 +0400 Subject: [AccessD] 24 hour analogue clock for access forms In-Reply-To: <4a736215.1c05d00a.7266.ffff89a9@mx.google.com> References: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com> <4A730D21.8070305@colbyconsulting.com> <4a731485.1c07d00a.4c90.1104@mx.google.com> <001e01ca1208$0e4917b0$2adb4710$@spb.ru> <4a73355e.0702d00a.1df1.552c@mx.google.com> <001f01ca1212$393d9950$abb8cbf0$@spb.ru> <4a734255.0508d00a.7133.5f32@mx.google.com> <002601ca1223$beaa0810$3bfe1830$@spb.ru> <4a736215.1c05d00a.7266.ffff89a9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002901ca1240$bb2b6270$31822750$@spb.ru> Max, Sorry, I do not know where to find MS Access Analog control. <<< I have been looking and not finding >>> Do you mean HLOL? - it means here "Happy LOL" :) I have to fall to bed now - it's 4:40 a.m. here... Have a good afternoon/evening there. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 1:27 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] 24 hour analogue clock for access forms Well, seeing as you are still out of bed (1.30 am?), do you know where I can find an Analogue Clock control for Access? One that looks like a wall clock but enables 24 hour dials (not 12 hour dials am/pm)? I have been looking and not finding LOL= Laugh out Loud?? LOL- Lots of Laughter LOL= Lots of Love. Any others? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: 31 July 2009 22:13 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Max, No, I meant "Laughing On (down)Loading". And here is some more stuff for LOL over weekend: "Searching 103,331 comics in 1574 series!" http://ohnorobot.com/series.pl HLOL! -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:11 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Well, it shows how dumb I am. I thought LOL meant lots of love....I thought you loved me....duh! Max <<< snip >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4295 (20090731) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4295 (20090731) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4295 (20090731) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Fri Jul 31 20:34:41 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:34:41 -0400 Subject: [AccessD] 24 hour analogue clock for access forms In-Reply-To: <002901ca1240$bb2b6270$31822750$@spb.ru> References: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com> <4A730D21.8070305@colbyconsulting.com> <4a731485.1c07d00a.4c90.1104@mx.google.com> <001e01ca1208$0e4917b0$2adb4710$@spb.ru> <4a73355e.0702d00a.1df1.552c@mx.google.com> <001f01ca1212$393d9950$abb8cbf0$@spb.ru> <4a734255.0508d00a.7133.5f32@mx.google.com> <002601ca1223$beaa0810$3bfe1830$@spb.ru><4a736215.1c05d00a.7266.ffff89a9@mx.google.com> <002901ca1240$bb2b6270$31822750$@spb.ru> Message-ID: <264D98EDFA0F44B0BB7C9F4BAA06AB53@jislaptopdev> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=146 ...all vba ...no ocx like the FMS clock ...the sample is 12 hour but since its vba, you should be able to change that to 24 ...hth William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:40 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] 24 hour analogue clock for access forms > Max, > > Sorry, I do not know where to find MS Access Analog control. > > <<< > I have been looking and not finding >>>> > Do you mean HLOL? - it means here "Happy LOL" :) > > I have to fall to bed now - it's 4:40 a.m. here... > > Have a good afternoon/evening there. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 1:27 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] 24 hour analogue clock for access forms > > Well, seeing as you are still out of bed (1.30 am?), do you know where I > can > find an Analogue Clock control for Access? > > One that looks like a wall clock but enables 24 hour dials (not 12 hour > dials am/pm)? > > I have been looking and not finding > > LOL= Laugh out Loud?? > LOL- Lots of Laughter > LOL= Lots of Love. > > Any others? > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: 31 July 2009 22:13 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > > Max, > > No, I meant "Laughing On (down)Loading". > > And here is some more stuff for LOL over weekend: > > "Searching 103,331 comics in 1574 series!" > http://ohnorobot.com/series.pl > > HLOL! > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:11 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > > Well, it shows how dumb I am. I thought LOL meant lots of love....I > thought > you loved me....duh! > > > > Max > > > <<< snip >>> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4295 (20090731) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.esetnod32.ru > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4295 (20090731) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.esetnod32.ru > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4295 (20090731) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.esetnod32.ru > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 21:52:40 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:52:40 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] 24 hour analogue clock for access forms In-Reply-To: <264D98EDFA0F44B0BB7C9F4BAA06AB53@jislaptopdev> References: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com> <4A730D21.8070305@colbyconsulting.com> <4a731485.1c07d00a.4c90.1104@mx.google.com> <001e01ca1208$0e4917b0$2adb4710$@spb.ru> <4a73355e.0702d00a.1df1.552c@mx.google.com> <001f01ca1212$393d9950$abb8cbf0$@spb.ru> <4a734255.0508d00a.7133.5f32@mx.google.com> <002601ca1223$beaa0810$3bfe1830$@spb.ru><4a736215.1c05d00a.7266.ffff89a9@mx.google.com> <002901ca1240$bb2b6270$31822750$@spb.ru> <264D98EDFA0F44B0BB7C9F4BAA06AB53@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: <4a73ae60.1c07d00a.60a0.166a@mx.google.com> Thank you William. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: 01 August 2009 02:35 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] 24 hour analogue clock for access forms http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=146 ...all vba ...no ocx like the FMS clock ...the sample is 12 hour but since its vba, you should be able to change that to 24 ...hth William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:40 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] 24 hour analogue clock for access forms > Max, > > Sorry, I do not know where to find MS Access Analog control. > > <<< > I have been looking and not finding >>>> > Do you mean HLOL? - it means here "Happy LOL" :) > > I have to fall to bed now - it's 4:40 a.m. here... > > Have a good afternoon/evening there. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 1:27 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] 24 hour analogue clock for access forms > > Well, seeing as you are still out of bed (1.30 am?), do you know where I > can > find an Analogue Clock control for Access? > > One that looks like a wall clock but enables 24 hour dials (not 12 hour > dials am/pm)? > > I have been looking and not finding > > LOL= Laugh out Loud?? > LOL- Lots of Laughter > LOL= Lots of Love. > > Any others? > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: 31 July 2009 22:13 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > > Max, > > No, I meant "Laughing On (down)Loading". > > And here is some more stuff for LOL over weekend: > > "Searching 103,331 comics in 1574 series!" > http://ohnorobot.com/series.pl > > HLOL! > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:11 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > > Well, it shows how dumb I am. I thought LOL meant lots of love....I > thought > you loved me....duh! > > > > Max > > > <<< snip >>> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4295 (20090731) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.esetnod32.ru > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4295 (20090731) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.esetnod32.ru > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4295 (20090731) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.esetnod32.ru > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com