[AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones

Mike Mattys mmattys at rochester.rr.com
Wed Jul 1 15:59:39 CDT 2009


I started watching at Dr. #2 (the best one IMO)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz7e9kQ2-Uk

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Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones


> Who have a TV program in UK called Dr. Who.
>
> Exterminate...Exterminate...Exterminate
>
> In a very gravely voice by a alien (settle down Rocky!) called a Darlek.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who
>
> anyway, consider me assimilated.  I am getting close to my "more time off"
> situation, and I will then concentrate on Classes, et al.
>
> Max
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 01 July 2009 21:26
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones
>
> Additionally, much of what you build will be classes as well.
>
> Resistance is futile.  You will be assimilated.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> Good point,  Charlotte.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>> Foust
>> Sent: 01 July 2009 18:05
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones
>>
>>> I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER
>> transition smoothly to .Net.
>>
>> I have to agree with that, John.  EVERYTHING in .Net is an object, even
>> a simple string.  Everything has methods and properties, and you have to
>> learn to work with them rather than just operate on them.
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:56 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones
>>
>> Of course I agree with Charlotte, when you finally wrap your mind around
>> classes, suddenly they become like a nail gun vs a hammer.  But you have
>> to really get there and that is the problem most people have.
>>
>> Imagine that you live a mile from town.  You have always ridden a bike.
>> It seems like that works quite well, after all you have always ridden a
>> bike, and you cannot really imagine why you would need more.
>>
>> Then your friend lends you a car while he's on vacation for the month.
>> Asks you to feed his cat and dog, check on his mother in the next town
>> over.  you drive, you run around, you haul stuff for his mom, you
>> suddenly see that a car is a different breed of transportation from a
>> bike.  A bike works, but it is just a different breed.
>>
>> Until you actually use it, day in and day out, you just never
>> appreciated how different it was and what it allowed you to do.
>>
>> There are things that you simply cannot reasonably do without classes.
>> But until you have tried to do those things you cannot understand what
>> they might possibly be.
>>
>> Let me give you an example, caching data.
>>
>> I use tables where the data doesn't change from month to month.  These
>> tables have hundreds of records, and yes, I could just set up things to
>> seek etc to go through and find data in these tables.  But I USE these
>> tables to control whether specific tabs are displayed, whether certain
>> subforms are allowed to load and so forth.  I use these tables
>> PROGRAMMATICALLY, in loops in programs where decisions are made etc.  To
>> try and seek to specific records then get certain fields would be
>> several orders of magnitude slower than to simply load each record into
>> a class, then load those record class instances into a collection, keyed
>> on a common lookup field (what you would Find Next on or SEEK on).
>>
>> Record / record supervisor.  Once I have these I can get at any field
>> that I need (or specific fields that I need all of the time) and I can
>> get at it INSTANTLY.
>>
>> Collections of classes keyed on a search data are something that you
>> cannot even understand until you do it.  Once you do it, the light bulb
>> goes on.
>>
>> Goto http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp and click on the
>> zipcode demo.  You cannot do this kind of thing without classes.
>>
>> Click on the Openargs demo.  You cannot do this without classes.
>>
>> I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars.  That is another
>> thing you just can't do without classes (it is the cached record idea).
>>
>> I would never say that you can't be a very good, very successful
>> developer without classes.  I would say that once you understand and use
>> them you will be in an entirely different league, because what you can
>> do suddenly changes.
>>
>> I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER
>> transition smoothly to .Net.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>>> Dan, you don't.  I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT
>>> need classes.  Dont listen to the purists.  Do what works for you..
>>>
>>> Ignore the apple...
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>>> Foust
>>> Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones
>>>
>>> No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need
>>> for one!  LOL
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM
>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'?  From your
>>> descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise.
>>>
>>> You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a
>>> few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working!  I have
>>> to make a confession - I've only written one class.  But - I only
>>> needed that one.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>
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