[AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones

Perry L Harold pharold at proftesting.com
Thu Jul 2 09:10:08 CDT 2009


Tom Baker - #4 forever 


Perry Harold


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 6:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones

I meant Doctor #3, Jon Pertwee, of course.
The video has the wrong label on it.

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Michael R Mattys
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones


>I started watching at Dr. #2 (the best one IMO)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz7e9kQ2-Uk
>
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> Michael R Mattys
> MapPoint and Database Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones
>
>
>> Who have a TV program in UK called Dr. Who.
>>
>> Exterminate...Exterminate...Exterminate
>>
>> In a very gravely voice by a alien (settle down Rocky!) called a
Darlek.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who
>>
>> anyway, consider me assimilated.  I am getting close to my "more time

>> off"
>> situation, and I will then concentrate on Classes, et al.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: 01 July 2009 21:26
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones
>>
>> Additionally, much of what you build will be classes as well.
>>
>> Resistance is futile.  You will be assimilated.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>>> Good point,  Charlotte.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>>> Foust
>>> Sent: 01 July 2009 18:05
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones
>>>
>>>> I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will
NEVER
>>> transition smoothly to .Net.
>>>
>>> I have to agree with that, John.  EVERYTHING in .Net is an object,
even
>>> a simple string.  Everything has methods and properties, and you
have to
>>> learn to work with them rather than just operate on them.
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:56 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones
>>>
>>> Of course I agree with Charlotte, when you finally wrap your mind
around
>>> classes, suddenly they become like a nail gun vs a hammer.  But you
have
>>> to really get there and that is the problem most people have.
>>>
>>> Imagine that you live a mile from town.  You have always ridden a
bike.
>>> It seems like that works quite well, after all you have always
ridden a
>>> bike, and you cannot really imagine why you would need more.
>>>
>>> Then your friend lends you a car while he's on vacation for the
month.
>>> Asks you to feed his cat and dog, check on his mother in the next
town
>>> over.  you drive, you run around, you haul stuff for his mom, you
>>> suddenly see that a car is a different breed of transportation from
a
>>> bike.  A bike works, but it is just a different breed.
>>>
>>> Until you actually use it, day in and day out, you just never
>>> appreciated how different it was and what it allowed you to do.
>>>
>>> There are things that you simply cannot reasonably do without
classes.
>>> But until you have tried to do those things you cannot understand
what
>>> they might possibly be.
>>>
>>> Let me give you an example, caching data.
>>>
>>> I use tables where the data doesn't change from month to month.
These
>>> tables have hundreds of records, and yes, I could just set up things
to
>>> seek etc to go through and find data in these tables.  But I USE
these
>>> tables to control whether specific tabs are displayed, whether
certain
>>> subforms are allowed to load and so forth.  I use these tables
>>> PROGRAMMATICALLY, in loops in programs where decisions are made etc.
To
>>> try and seek to specific records then get certain fields would be
>>> several orders of magnitude slower than to simply load each record
into
>>> a class, then load those record class instances into a collection,
keyed
>>> on a common lookup field (what you would Find Next on or SEEK on).
>>>
>>> Record / record supervisor.  Once I have these I can get at any
field
>>> that I need (or specific fields that I need all of the time) and I
can
>>> get at it INSTANTLY.
>>>
>>> Collections of classes keyed on a search data are something that you
>>> cannot even understand until you do it.  Once you do it, the light
bulb
>>> goes on.
>>>
>>> Goto http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp and click on the
>>> zipcode demo.  You cannot do this kind of thing without classes.
>>>
>>> Click on the Openargs demo.  You cannot do this without classes.
>>>
>>> I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars.  That is
another
>>> thing you just can't do without classes (it is the cached record
idea).
>>>
>>> I would never say that you can't be a very good, very successful
>>> developer without classes.  I would say that once you understand and
use
>>> them you will be in an entirely different league, because what you
can
>>> do suddenly changes.
>>>
>>> I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will
NEVER
>>> transition smoothly to .Net.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>>>> Dan, you don't.  I have been using access for donkey years...you
DONT
>>>> need classes.  Dont listen to the purists.  Do what works for you..
>>>>
>>>> Ignore the apple...
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Charlotte
>>>> Foust
>>>> Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones
>>>>
>>>> No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need
>>>> for one!  LOL
>>>>
>>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Waters
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM
>>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'?  From
your
>>>> descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise.
>>>>
>>>> You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and
a
>>>> few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working!  I
have
>>>> to make a confession - I've only written one class.  But - I only
>>>> needed that one.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>
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