jwcolby
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Sun Jun 28 23:19:27 CDT 2009
Steve, You still aren't listening. I don't CARE about the ribbon (except how to turn it off). I care about the stupid crap you have to jump through to be a developer. The needless rearrangement of the entire environment. I repeat, YOU (and MS) AREN'T LISTENING. My clients hire me to develop applications. Toolbars are for power users to interact with OFFICE AS THE APPLICATION, not to interact with an application based on Access. My clients don't use icons AT ALL. They are in forms, they enter data IN FORMS, they run reports. They interact with the APPLICATION that I develop, not with ACCESS. YOU (and MS) AREN'T LISTENING TO ME (or anyone else on this list or the developer world at large). LISTEN STEVE, GET WHAT I SAY. My clients have APPLICATIONS which fill the entire screen. I have been asking my clients to FORCE their users to move up to 1024 x 768. They are STUCK at 800 x 600. They have gone out and bought bigger screens, ALL of their screens are now at least 17" (up from 14" and 15") many are 19" but their users want the extra size to help them SEE better, not give the application more screen real estate. Now Access comes along and spends a ton of time and resources on a stupid toolbar which (If I developed there) I would PROMPTLY turn off because my forms take up the entire screen as it is. Steve, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the toolbar is simply irrelevant. NONE of my clients care, at all. Not even one little bit. If they don't care, I don't care. And yet obviously it is the world to you (and MS)? Obviously YOU like it? Because while we have been discussing EVERYTHING EXCEPT the toolbar, the toolbar is the only thing you will discuss. Not the bug list that never gets addressed. Not the developer environment that got totally screwed around. Not Microsoft's arrogant "we don't give a damn what the developers are saying" attitude. THE SILLY FRIGGIN TOOLBAR! I am not surmising anything, it is totally irrelevant to me. My clients aren't asking me to do 2007 and so I am not. Access 2007 is being positioned as a "power toy" and I am a developer. Access 2007 is all about pretty tool bars that don't matter. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Steve Schapel wrote: > John, > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:25 PM > >> I ask you why the programmer interface has to be screwed around. I can >> hear the crickets... but I >> don't hear you (or Microsoft). > > Obviously I am not in a position to speak for Microsoft. Regarding the > reasons of the Access dev team to introduce the ribbon, you and I are in the > same boat... you can surmise, and I can surmise. However, I gave my opinion > 15 months ago > http://blog.datamanagementsolutions.biz/2008/03/office-2007-ribbon-saga.html > regarding the chances of this decision being reversed, and my opinion hasn't > changed much since then. In that article, I referred to a video about the > process of creating the ribbon, and that can be seen at > http://msstudios.vo.llnwd.net/o21/mix08/08_WMVs/UX09.wmv so please feel free > to check it out for at least part of Microsoft's answer. > > Of course, we could argue until we're blue in the face about Access isn't in > the same category as the other Office products, and thus needs different > treatment. But that wouldn't alter the fact that, as William pointed out, > the ribbon will be significantly improved in Access 2010, as well as ribbon > interface being included in some of the other Office products that missed > out last time. >