[AccessD] Poll on Access 2007

Max Wanadoo max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Mon Jun 29 08:29:18 CDT 2009


Revert to 2003 <GRIN>

Max



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 29 June 2009 14:25
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007

Does anyone find that A2007 runs much slower that 2003?  I and the ONE
client who uses 2007 both find it noticeably and significantly slower.  Is
there some fix for that?  

Rocky


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 4:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007

Hi Steve,

It is good to read that some folks like Access 2007.  I cannot say I am one
of them though.  The whole app seems to be not quite finished.  It is clunky
and inelegant compared to Access 2003.  Existing forms no longer fit
smoothly on the screen and my personal bugbear in both Access and Excel is
how MS have completely fouled up existing custom toolbars and menus that
have functioned flawlessly for years and over multiple app versions.

ok, you can recode them as custom tabs in XML, but then they are no longer
backwardly compatible with older versions.  You also cannot position them
where they are most useful and the user still has to select the tab to get
all the tools for the form.  Rubbish.  Besides, Often I would put a custom
nav and close toolbar at the bottom of the screen with process toolbar at
the top.  Elegant, logic and functional - but no.  Can't do that anymore,
can't do much really.

I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Oz, Office 2007 is no
where near critical mass.  Most of the people who are using it are small
businesses and 'mum and dads' who have purchased a new PC and accepted
whatever it came with.  Indeed, if anything folks who use Office 2007 are
generally annoyed as hell to find out that .doc/.xls email attachment they
sent everyone is hard to open and bits are missing for the bulk of the
recipients.  Yeah, I know you can run stuff in compat mode, but then why
bother upgrading at all?

One day time and technology will ensure that everyone creeps fwd to the
newer apps, but I can honestly say the ribbon has done nothing to improve my
productivity and I have been using it now for months- and in with the case
of stuffing all the custom tools bars into the addin tab, this has actually
made thing much worse for me and my clients.

So Access 2007 a step forward?  It is largely puffery and pretty colours.



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2009 7:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007

Hi Max,

Yes, I understand, and I have seen the problems that many people have had in
adapting to change, and recognising the value of the fantastic changes that
were given to us with Access 2007.

I anticipate that in 10 years, my work will still be centred around Access
development.  Maybe yours will be too.  If so, it is my fervent hope that we
will look back at this period, and feel gratitude to the Access team at
Microsoft, for their willingness to take the hard and unpopular decisions in
order to keep Access current with the IT industry, create a product that is
unique in its scope of functionality, and provide Access with a future.

We have to see Access 2007 as the first tentative steps in a major movement
towards Access 2010 and beyond, and sometimes tentative steps only make
sense in retrospect.  But I don't think there is any secret about the fact
that Microsoft is investing hugely in the future of Access, and I have a
hunch they're getting it right.

Regards
Steve


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From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:09 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007

> Steve FWIW, I am definitely PRO MS but anti Access 2007.
>
> Over the years MS has given the majority a stable site of platforms 
> which enables collaboration at various levels throughtout and across the
World.
> It has never been Un-Affordable although it must be said that costs 
> were never reduced once R&D and Profits Targets were reached - it 
> would have been nice to the old-2-back versions at half price for 
> those who didn't want cutting edge.  But for me, MS has been a good 
> thing.
>
> What I dislike mostly about A2007 is that, in real development terms, 
> it has bought nothing to the table.  It has remove interfaces that 
> have, in some cases, taken years to hone and perfect, and all for the 
> God "Looks".  It is functionality and benefits that count and these 
> are beyond the scope of end-users - complex, behind the scene coding 
> has to be done to make it "perform" in a real tough business sense.  
> EG. What did the Ribbon bring to the table for a developer producing a 
> MR2 manufacturing solution?  Answer:
> a
> lot of heartache to re-write existing code for no other reason than 
> the interface has changed.
>
 

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