[AccessD] Poll on Access 2007

William Hindman wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Mon Jun 29 08:37:28 CDT 2009


...the problem I suspect is that its people like Steve that are providing 
the only feedback MS listens to
...he's an MVP (a good thing) and thus is on the short list when MS wants 
input from "REAL" developers
...and as far as he is concerned, there is no problem ...only whining
...its a self-perpetuating feedback loop, it is :(

William the Whiner

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From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:36 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007

> LOL.  Nope!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> William Hindman wrote:
>> "as the thing about Access 2007 to whine about" Steve
>>
>> ...sigh ...you really don't get it, do you
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Steve Schapel" <miscellany at mvps.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:23 AM
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> I am very sorry, I have obviously misunderstood you. When you said "the
>>> developer environment that got totally screwed around", I thought you 
>>> were
>>> referring to the "silly friggin toolbar".  As a result of which, I 
>>> though
>>> you'd gone balmy kicking up such a fuss about such a little thing.  So I
>>> apologise for the misunderstanding.  I have seen a lot of people focus 
>>> on
>>> the ribbon as the thing about Access 2007 to whine about, and I'm afraid 
>>> I
>>> jumped to conclusions and lumped you in with that lot.  Sorry.
>>>
>>> Now, what *do* you mean by "the developer environment"?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:19 PM
>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007
>>>
>>>> Steve,
>>>>
>>>> You still aren't listening.  I don't CARE about the ribbon (except how 
>>>> to
>>>> turn it off).  I care
>>>> about the stupid crap you have to jump through to be a developer.  The
>>>> needless rearrangement of the
>>>> entire environment.
>>>>
>>>> I repeat, YOU (and MS) AREN'T LISTENING.  My clients hire me to develop
>>>> applications.  Toolbars are
>>>> for power users to interact with OFFICE AS THE APPLICATION, not to
>>>> interact with an application
>>>> based on Access.  My clients don't use icons AT ALL.  They are in 
>>>> forms,
>>>> they enter data IN FORMS,
>>>> they run reports.  They interact with the APPLICATION that I develop, 
>>>> not
>>>> with ACCESS.
>>>>
>>>> YOU (and MS) AREN'T LISTENING TO ME (or anyone else on this list or the
>>>> developer world at large).
>>>>
>>>> LISTEN STEVE, GET WHAT I SAY.
>>>>
>>>> My clients have APPLICATIONS which fill the entire screen.  I have been
>>>> asking my clients to FORCE
>>>> their users to move up to 1024 x 768.  They are STUCK at 800 x 600. 
>>>> They
>>>> have gone out and bought
>>>> bigger screens, ALL of their screens are now at least 17" (up from 14"
>>>> and
>>>> 15") many are 19" but
>>>> their users want the extra size to help them SEE better, not give the
>>>> application more screen real
>>>> estate.  Now Access comes along and spends a ton of time and resources 
>>>> on
>>>> a stupid toolbar which (If
>>>> I developed there) I would PROMPTLY turn off because my forms take up 
>>>> the
>>>> entire screen as it is.
>>>>
>>>> Steve, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the toolbar is
>>>> simply irrelevant.  NONE of my
>>>> clients care, at all.  Not even one little bit.  If they don't care, I
>>>> don't care.
>>>>
>>>> And yet obviously it is the world to you (and MS)?  Obviously YOU like
>>>> it?
>>>> Because while we have
>>>> been discussing EVERYTHING EXCEPT the toolbar, the toolbar is the only
>>>> thing you will discuss.  Not
>>>> the bug list that never gets addressed.  Not the developer environment
>>>> that got totally screwed
>>>> around.   Not Microsoft's arrogant "we don't give a damn what the
>>>> developers are saying" attitude.
>>>>
>>>> THE SILLY FRIGGIN TOOLBAR!
>>>>
>>>> I am not surmising anything, it is totally irrelevant to me.  My 
>>>> clients
>>>> aren't asking me to do 2007
>>>> and so I am not.  Access 2007 is being positioned as a "power toy" and 
>>>> I
>>>> am a developer.  Access
>>>> 2007 is all about pretty tool bars that don't matter.
>>>
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