[AccessD] [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning Game...

Charlotte Foust cfoust at infostatsystems.com
Wed Mar 18 13:11:34 CDT 2009


Wrong list, Shamil.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD][dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog
Planning Game...

Hi SCRUM team members,

Still no e-mail with estimations from Doug.
I have asked him today again to make the estimation worksheet and to
send it to me for me to make and to publish combined worksheet.

Let's wait for today, and if the estimations from Doug will not come we
can start discussion based on our estimations and then Doug will join
us?

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>, "Discussion concerning
Visual Basic and related programming issues."
<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:23:16 -0400
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning
Game...

> That sounds good to me also.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> 
> Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> > Hi SCRUM team at all,
> >  
> > I have got ProductBacklog items estimations from Mike, Gustav, John
and myself.
> >
> > I'm waiting for estimations to come from Doug. He has just informed
me he has important private events today, and it may happen he will not
have time to make his estimations.
> >
> > What we can do now? I'd propose to wait for Doug's estimations to
come, and meanwhile start constructive discussion how we can get this
project developed in context when we have different .NET experience but
taking into account that most of the work to do is simple for
experienced developers(whatever modern developmen tools they use) mainly
design and almost no coding work. At least it looks so from here (as
shown in some samples I have posted already on MS Live dba-VB Group's
SkyDrive).
> >
> > I'd expect that adding some simple introductory tutorials consisting
mainly from screenshots we should be able to get the team members
beginning their .NET development practice skilled enough to develop any
NorthWind .NET form or report...
> >
> > I suppose we plan develop *not* "industry strong" .NET application
in this project but a sample .NET Winform desktop application. When that
done we can go further... where? we will decide as we proceed...
> >
> > When I will get estimations from Doug I plan to post all of our
estimations here - is that OK with you? 
> > I must say the current estimations do differ considerably therefore
there is some work to do in coordinating them.
> > In SCRUM four hours are usually spent for the ProductBackLog initial
planning: I'd propose to "spread" these four hours within this week
discussion IOW no still real C# development within this week but
discussing ProductBacklog and planning first SCRUM Sprint and related
issues, and starting real development next Monday - OK?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --
> > Shamil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
> > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming 
> > issues."<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:15:09 +0300
> > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning
Game...
> >
> >   
> >> Hi SCRUM team at all,
> >>
> >> I have got ProductBacklog items estimations from Mike.
> >> I have made mine over weekend.
> >>
> >> Waiting here for estimations from Gustav, Doug and John to come
today then I will immediately post all of them here to start
coordination of our estimations for everybody to get comfortable with
them, and to present them after coordination to ProductOwner (Mark) to
plan implementation/release...
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Shamil
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
> >> To: dba-VB <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:21:13 +0300
> >> Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning
Game...
> >>
> >>     
> >>> Hi SCRUM Team,
> >>>
> >>> Please estimate "ideal hours" to develop our first project product
backlog items using "SCRUM planning poker cards" with the following
values:
> >>>
> >>> 0, 1/2, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 20, ???
> >>>
> >>> Please send your estimations to me (Shamil.Salakhetdinov AT
gmail.com) to make here a common worksheet with all the estimations to
use them on the next estimation round.
> >>>
> >>> Please do not post your estimations here on this first round to 
> >>> make first round estimantions as independent as possible - 
> >>> http://www.crisp.se/planningpoker/
> >>>
> >>> Below is the list of BackLog items with some estimations I made - 
> >>> just as examples. Three question marks estimation means that it's 
> >>> unclear how much time it will take to make that item implemented 
> >>> (Here it's a pivot form, which doesn't have built-in direct 
> >>> correspondence in .NET WinForms hence it's unclear what we will do

> >>> here and how much time this work will take. If you know the answer

> >>> - please make your more definitive estimation for this item.)
> >>>
> >>> I made my below several estimations assuming we will use built-in
WinForms features as in samples I used previously.
> >>>
> >>> I have made my own estimation of all the items already - it looks
like we should fit well 100 hours (20x5). 
> >>>
> >>> Please ask your questions.
> >>> Please make your estimations.
> >>>
> >>> You can download workbook with BackLog items here:
> >>>
> >>> https://cid-000971dc34dc18c0.groups.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.D
> >>> ocuments/NorthWind.NET/SCRUM%7C_Planning%7C_Game.xls?ccr=365
> >>>
> >>> or here:
> >>>
> >>> http://www1.atwiki.com/dba-vb/pages/5.html 
> >>> (http://www1.atwiki.com/dba-vb?cmd=upload&act=open&pageid=5&file=S
> >>> CRUM_Planning_Game.xls)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Shamil
> >>>
> >>> P.S.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> FORMS
> >>> =====
> >>>
> >>> 1	 Categories	
> >>> 2	 Customer Labels Dialog =>	1
> >>> 3	 Customer Orders	
> >>> 4	 Customer Orders Subform1 => 1
> >>> 5	 Customer Orders Subform2	
> >>> 6	 Customer Phone List	
> >>> 7	 Customers => 2
> >>> 8	 Employees => 5
> >>> 9	 Main Switchboard	
> >>> 10	 Orders	
> >>> 11	 Orders Subform => 1
> >>> 12	 Product List	
> >>> 13	 Products	
> >>> 14	 Quarterly Orders	
> >>> 15	 Quarterly Orders Subform	
> >>> 16	 Sales Analysis =>	???
> >>> 17	 Sales Analysis Subform1 => ???
> >>> 18	 Sales Analysis Subform2 => ???
> >>> 19	 Sales by Year Dialog	
> >>> 20	 Sales Reports Dialog	
> >>> 21	 Startup	
> >>> 22	 Suppliers
> >>>
> >>> REPORTS
> >>> =======	
> >>> 1	 Alphabetical List of Products	=> 2
> >>> 2	 Catalog	
> >>> 3	 Catalog Subreport	
> >>> 4	 Customer Labels	
> >>> 5	 Employee Sales by Country	
> >>> 6	 Invoice	=> 5
> >>> 7	 Products by Category	
> >>> 8	 Sales by Category	
> >>> 9	 Sales by Category Subreport	
> >>> 10	 Sales by Year	
> >>> 11	 Sales by Year Subreport	
> >>> 12	 Sales Totals by Amount	
> >>> 13	 Summary of Sales by Quarter	
> >>> 14	 Summary of Sales by Year	
> >>>
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