[AccessD] FMS Article on the new features in Access 2007

Max Wanadoo max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Thu Mar 19 17:24:17 CDT 2009


> a client dba is someone I trust to reboot the server

You go that far?

Max

On 3/19/09, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
> ...amazing it is just how different our customer environments are ...in my
> world a client dba is someone I trust to reboot the server ...their "IT
> Department" is me.
> ...I prefer my world :)
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:13 PM
>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Article on the new features in Access 2007
>
> > That's about the most senseless thing I've ever heard!  Most IT
> > departments we deal with don't want to come within a mile of an Access
> app
> > and actively try to prevent their occurrence.
> >
> > Your customers wnt development without programming??  Are they looking
> for
> > spreadsheets?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hewson, Jim
> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:55 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Article on the new features in Access 2007
> >
> > What I am finding that some of our customers do not want any .net
> > development or any other development that involves any type of
> programming
> > language.  Some of their IT departments considered it a new developed
> > software and it could take several months or longer to get approval to
> > begin the project and/or deploy it.  If the development is done in Access
> > using the tools that came with Access then the IT department considers it
> > COTS and no approval is necessary.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com
> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:43 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Article on the new features in Access 2007
> >
> > I would expand that to the office suite, not just Access.  Is it possible
> > Access was never intended to be the development tool it became, but just
> a
> > power user application.  Now they are trying to reel it back in and move
> > us to .net?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:19 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Article on the new features in Access 2007
> >
> > I'll Just wait for the next version.
> >
> > It used to be every other version of Access was not that great. I think
> > something got out of Sync.
> >
> > 1 -Never used it
> > 2 - Good
> > 95 - Bleh, hurl, <dry heave noise>
> > 97 - My favorite
> > 2000 - I liked it, but I think it wasnt well liked
> > 2002 (Office XP) I never really used it
> > 2003 - Like it
> > 2007 - more dry heaving noises
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> With the single exception of the Datasheet Totals, there is nothing
> >> fundamental,y improved for me as a developer. The quote "..get used
> >> to it.." made me spit. I can get used to anything, but why have all
> >> these new ways of doing what is essentially the same. Lots of "stuff"
> >> is worse - David points them out below.
> >> For me, I abhor the 2007. No "fundamental" improvements - with this
> >> "update", beauty is not even skin deep.
> >>
> >> Max
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/19/09, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I agree with him on these A2007 problems:
> >>>
> >>> Not being able to see a list of object sorted by modified date the
> >>> way you'd expect in Windows Explorer.
> >>>
> >>> Losing Alt+D as a way to put the current object in design mode
> >>>
> >>> Losing the toolbar item to automatically jump to a form or report's
> >>> module code
> >>>
> >>> Missing right mouse click items like import/export
> >>>
> >>> As for the Ribbon, I don't like the "Once you get used to it, its not
> >>> that bad" that I hear quite often.
> >>> I don't feel so many command/tol bar buttons need to be seen. As a
> >>> programer, I feel I need to know what the user needs to have
> >>> available to them, If they do need something that can navigate view
> >>> the menus (oops, they removed them!).
> >>>
> >>> "Overcoming Resistance to Change
> >>>
> >>> For years, the Access community complained that Microsoft was
> >>> abandoning Access, that they didn't invest enough in it, that the Jet
> >>> Engine and DAO was dead, etc. Well, the Microsoft Access development
> >>> team for Access 2007 was the largest ever and Microsoft made a huge
> >>> investment that added considerable new features to Access."
> >>>
> >>> I never really requested change. I hoped that they wouldn't abandon
> >>> Access, like was always rumored.
> >>>
> >>> There are a few new cool features, but they never fixed some old bugs
> >>> that still go back to early versions of Access.
> >>>
> >>> They still haven't made a list box with .fontcolor or
> >>> .selectedrowBackColor property.
> >>>
> >>> The datasheet totals are cool, but I should provide that for my users
> >>> in their form. Remember, users shouldnt be accessing the
> >>> tables/queries directly.
> >>>
> >>> "In Access 2007, a different approach is necessary for finding your
> >>> object. Rather than visually finding it, enter some letters of the
> >>> object name in the Search Bar, and the list of objects gets filtered
> >>> to just those names. This makes it very easy to find objects by name
> >>> -- especially text within an object name -- that wasn't possible
> >>> before. Once you are used to this, it's very difficult to go back."
> >>>
> >>> Nah, give me my detail view. The ability to sort by Name and or date
> >>> is more important to me. My naming conventions is another way for me
> >>> to quickly find what I need.
> >>>
> >>> The Date picker is nice, but is there a way to turn it off? THey may
> >>> be times where you don't want it to be displayed, or use your own
> >>> instead.
> >>>
> >>> Just my worthless 2 cents,
> >>> David
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:04 PM, <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > I just thought I'd throw this out there and see everyone thinks.
> >>> >
> >>> > http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/2007/Top-Features.html
> >>> > <http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/2007/Top-Features.html>
> >>> >
> >>> > It does sound like there are some nice new features. Whether they
> >>> outweigh
> >>> > the drawbacks...
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Rusty Hammond
> >>> >
> >>> >
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