[AccessD] science on visual controls

Mike Mattys mmattys at rochester.rr.com
Sat Mar 21 23:36:46 CDT 2009


Did you notice how comfortable you've gotten here, Max?
It's because the patients running the asylum! :)

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Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] science on visual controls


> The problem is Michael, that during my lifetime I have spent (wasted) so
> much time sitting in rooms where people were nurturing their egos and 
> trying
> to be PC (politically correct) rather than achieve the task in hand.  I 
> have
> done so many "Team  Building" days that it is unbelievable.  When you have 
> a
> basic personality disorder such as mine which is "Identify what you want 
> to
> do - confirm it - achieve it", it does not sit well with people who (and I
> have had to endure this) want to discuss the difference between "Aims" and
> "Objectives" - I kid you not!  When should we use "Aims", when should we 
> use
> "Objectives". Are they different if so, how? And so I.  When I chip and 
> say
> "What do you actually want to do?" the shout me down saying "Your missing
> the point - this is not about 'doing' anything, it is about talking about
> 'doing' something."  Yeah right, 'scuse me, I need a pee!
>
> I have been on courses where I have been told I am not a good Team Member
> because I didn't chip into all the arguments about how we need to set up 
> an
> assembly line to make notepads out of scrap paper, paper clips etc.  While
> they were arguing about it and squirting testosterone all over the place, 
> I
> went to the back of the rooms and made the required 4 notepads.
>
> I might not be a good Team Member in their eyes, but I am a good Manager 
> and
> have been so for over 45 years.  I also achieve.
>
> Talking of which, I am going to set myself the immediate task of finding 
> my
> way back to bed now!  I don't know if it would be called an aim or an
> objective but I do know what I want to do and I bet I succeed!
>
> Thanks
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
> Sent: 22 March 2009 03:59
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] science on visual controls
>
> Hi Max,
>
> I think you have to submit yourself to the appropriate certification 
> course
> ...
> Hee Hee !!!
>
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> Michael R Mattys
> MapPoint and Database Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] science on visual controls
>
>
>>I liken the Ribbon to the tools in my garage.  They are nicely collected
>> into groups each representing a function. I have socket sets, I have
>> open-ended spanners, I have ring-spanners, I have woodwork tools,
>> electrical
>> tools etc.  This works very well when I need to go find something that I
>> use
>> infrequently.  For the items that I am constantly using, I have a toolbox
>> and in there I can lay my hand on nearly everything I need for 90% of the
>> time.
>> Pre-Ribbon, Most of the common items were already on the menu items and 
>> it
>> was an easy job to drag-n-drop the odd spanner or two.
>> Post-Ribbon, I have to think about "What group would the function fall
>> under
>> thatI want to use". If I can successfully come up with the same answer 
>> the
>> MS UI group did, then I can click on that and then search for it.  I then
>> have to repeat it for the next "thing" I want do do.  As a developer this
>> is
>> sooo tedious.
>> I want grouping my requirement not by functionality.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/21/09, Jack and Pat <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Susan,
>>> Try this in google  "computer forms UI design principles".
>>> A little dated, but it's a start.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:35 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] science on visual controls
>>>
>>> I googled, and got a lot of information about the science, the degree...
>>> but
>>>
>>> nothing specific about what the science has produced in the way of
>>> improving
>>>
>>> UI and data entry.
>>>
>>> Susan H.
>>>
>>>
>>> > and more specifically , the branch of User Interface Design
>>> >
>>> > On 22 Mar 2009 at 7:53, Steve Schapel wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Susan,
>>> >>
>>> >> The science is called HCI (Human Computer Interaction).
>>>
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