[AccessD] Access2007 Question

Hey Jim

That's true, but what also works into that is the type of application
that you need to develop.
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Other than dealing with the Fortune 500 companies (which are out of my league). I have not to date had any complaints.

But my objection is that as a true development tool, little improvement is being made and we
are going backwards in several ways.
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Yes I too, as a developer have complained that MS is letting a "cash cow" lie.  They have totally given up on the developer.  But again with Access (version whatever) I will use the tools I have available to develop my project (currently Access 2003).  I may be a dinosaur slowly  fading into the background, but I will not give up.

But things like calling the windows API, using collections, etc would get thrown out
the window.
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This is where this group truly amazes me, they always find ways to work around it. 

Jim this is not a critique of your comments, just one those
"If I could be an Oscar Meyer Weiner"  moments.


Jim Dettman wrote:

>Tony,
>
><<If you can produce a sound stable application, it really does not matter 
>what platform you develop it in. >>
>
>   That's true, but what also works into that is the type of application
>that you need to develop.
>
>   It's not the demise of Access; Access will be a round a good long time
>I'm sure.  What may die off is VBA (Visual Basic for Applications).
>
>  The problem with that is that you as a developer are limited in what you
>can do with Access *if* that were to come about.  Certainly you still would
>be able to turn out apps with Access if that indeed did happen.  But things
>like calling the windows API, using collections, etc would get thrown out
>the window.  That's not to say that macro's won't be enhanced further as we
>have already seen (error handling and an editor was added), but using
>macro's alone would severely restrict the types of apps that you could
>produce.
>
>  It may be that both will exist for a long time to come, but my objection
>is that as a true development tool, little improvement is being made and we
>are going backwards in several ways.
>
>  For example, how many releases has it been now that:
>
>1. Access can't easily use all 3rd party controls because it never fully
>implemented the iDispatch interface (version 2.0)
>2. VBA has problems with breakpoints - i.e. code will stop where you had a
>breakpoint and then removed it (Access 95)
>3. The VBA compiled project gets corrupt - /decompile is needed to bail you
>out (Access 95)
>4. References break easily (Access 95)
>
>   And the list goes on.  These are all things that should have been fixed
>long ago or improved, yet here we are in 2008 and instead of those fixes, we
>get more end user functionality.
>
>   That's why it's hard to stay positive about Access from a development
>standpoint.
>
>Jim
>
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
>Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:39 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Access2007 Question
>
>Hey All
>You guys/gals are scaring me again.
>I don't  understand this continuous discussion of the demise of Access.
>If you can produce a sound stable application, it really does not matter 
>what platform you develop it in.  The client is the final determining 
>factor, if they are happy then you are happy.  I still have a couple of 
>applications out there running under Access97, they work and the client 
>is happy.
>I updated to Access 2003 on the advise from this list, and avoided 
>Access2007.
>And interesting enough,  in the last couple of weeks I have been bashed 
>by the Oracle developers who have said again "Oh you are using that 
>toy,  Access".  My come back was " Okay give me a project and let us 
>take the gloves off and see who produces the best project", no takers.
>On the other end "Yes I may be falling behind", but it is only marketing 
>that is dictating what  is the new flavour of the week.  If you do your 
>job and you do it well, who cares what marketing tells you.
>
>Everyday I see so much extraordinary work done by the individuals on 
>this list and I am constatntly amazed.  Why is everyone so willing to 
>throw in the towel.
>
>  
>