From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Feb  1 11:23:55 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:23:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memory...so fleeting at times.
Message-ID: <96874E5570574521A86C6DEF8DEE200D@XPS>

All,
 
  Once again, it seems I can't quite put my finger on something;  anyone
remember who the guy was that was building an .EXE in memory as a work
around for a problem?
 
  I believe he was also the one that came up with a way (finally) of pulling
the currently executing VBA procedure, which is what I'm really after.
 
Thanks for any info,
Jim.


From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Mon Feb  1 11:34:45 2010
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Road Runner)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:34:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memory...so fleeting at times.
References: <96874E5570574521A86C6DEF8DEE200D@XPS>
Message-ID: <7D841354510A414099E26EC7F17D7C45@Gateway>

Ken Getz?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:23 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Memory...so fleeting at times.


> All,
>
>  Once again, it seems I can't quite put my finger on something;  anyone
> remember who the guy was that was building an .EXE in memory as a work
> around for a problem?
>
>  I believe he was also the one that came up with a way (finally) of 
> pulling
> the currently executing VBA procedure, which is what I'm really after.
>
> Thanks for any info,
> Jim.
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Feb  1 11:46:13 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:46:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memory...so fleeting at times.
In-Reply-To: <7D841354510A414099E26EC7F17D7C45@Gateway>
References: <96874E5570574521A86C6DEF8DEE200D@XPS>
	<7D841354510A414099E26EC7F17D7C45@Gateway>
Message-ID: <4C4E721A0D344A81B2BA8C2A4E09E124@XPS>


  No, this was someone fairly new to the Access world and this was only
within the past year or so.  Thought it might be David Fenton, but I can't
find anything he did related to this.

  It's on the tip of my tongue and it's driving me nuts....thought his first
name started with a G.  Someone's web site (maybe Stephen's?) referred to
this guys work...augh!

  I absolutely hate it when I can't remember stuff!

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Road Runner
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memory...so fleeting at times.

Ken Getz?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:23 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Memory...so fleeting at times.


> All,
>
>  Once again, it seems I can't quite put my finger on something;  anyone
> remember who the guy was that was building an .EXE in memory as a work
> around for a problem?
>
>  I believe he was also the one that came up with a way (finally) of 
> pulling
> the currently executing VBA procedure, which is what I'm really after.
>
> Thanks for any info,
> Jim.
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From adtp at airtelmail.in  Tue Feb  2 08:23:28 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:53:28 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>

    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 08:54:53 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:54:53 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <4b683ce0.0a1ad00a.2388.ffff8602@mx.google.com>

Home: Outlook 2007
Work: Outlook 2006
Occasionally: Gmail via website.

Do not subscribe to newsgroups.

Max


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: 02 February 2010 14:23
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Feb  2 08:59:11 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 09:59:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <84ACB6C15E4C46E68B6CC8092C20DDE0@jislaptopdev>

Windows Live Mail

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "A.D. Tejpal" <adtp at airtelmail.in>
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:23 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

>    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application 
> used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.
>
> Best wishes,
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Feb  2 09:11:17 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 09:11:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <0E46FD2DE61F470481BF93594A018FAD@danwaters>

Outlook 2003 for email.  

No Newsgroups.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application
used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.

Best wishes,
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Feb  2 09:17:06 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:17:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
Message-ID: <sb68501a.040@cactus.dk>

Hi A.D.

E-mail: GroupWise 6.5 and Google Mail
News Groups: Via Google Mail

/gustav

>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 02-02-2010 15:23 >>>
    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal




From krosenstiel at comcast.net  Tue Feb  2 09:29:14 2010
From: krosenstiel at comcast.net (krosenstiel at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:29:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <1190563470.1826851265124554261.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Emails: MS Outlook (Sigh....yes, I know, but I like the PIM) 

Newsgroups: Thunderbird 

Karen Rosenstiel 
Seattle WA USA 

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 6:23:28 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client 

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Feb  2 09:48:09 2010
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 09:48:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <00e701caa41f$1ec21de0$5c4659a0$@net>

Email & RSS: Outlook 2007
Don't read newsgroups



From accessd at gfconsultants.com  Tue Feb  2 09:50:53 2010
From: accessd at gfconsultants.com (AccessD)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:50:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Win 7 - A2007 - A2k
Message-ID: <003901caa41f$812e3130$838a9390$@com>

I am still using A2K.
I now have A2007 and would like to play with it.
I am running Win 7.

If I install and run the Win 7 Virtual Machine and XP Mode can I run both
without having the "configuration" issues everytime I start the other
version of Office?

Or any other suggestions on running A2K along with Office 2007?







From dbdoug at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 09:54:39 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 07:54:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c1002020754x284c8d53p2051dc562e8d584@mail.gmail.com>

Gmail for both

Doug

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:23 AM, A.D. Tejpal <adtp at airtelmail.in> wrote:

>    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application
> used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.
>
> Best wishes,
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From LChristian at MassMutual.com  Tue Feb  2 09:57:10 2010
From: LChristian at MassMutual.com (Christian, Lorraine)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:57:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <B21B1C78F022F74E8D8FAD803CF798DD095EB4B6@EXMBPR12.na.mmfg.net>

Outlook 2003 SP 3 - no newsgroups

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Feb  2 09:58:11 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:58:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <4B684B93.9030503@colbyconsulting.com>

Thunderbird

John W. Colby
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A.D. Tejpal wrote:
>     Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.
> 
> Best wishes,
> A.D. Tejpal
> ------------


From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Tue Feb  2 10:04:26 2010
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:04:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <97576E3480EA4A4C9F4F553558A7D3EE@abpc>

Outlook 2003

Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 2. februar 2010 15:23
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

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From pharold at proftesting.com  Tue Feb  2 10:14:22 2010
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:14:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B8453A7@exchange.ptiorl.local>

 
Outlook 2003 and Outlook Express XP

Perry Harold

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the
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Best wishes,
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue Feb  2 10:17:11 2010
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:17:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC702634EA3@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Outlook 2003, Outlook Express XP, Windows Live Mail 
Gmail for archiving
No Newsgroups

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the
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From accessd at gfconsultants.com  Tue Feb  2 10:21:45 2010
From: accessd at gfconsultants.com (AccessD)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:21:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <0E46FD2DE61F470481BF93594A018FAD@danwaters>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
	<0E46FD2DE61F470481BF93594A018FAD@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000001caa423$d2550bc0$76ff2340$@com>

As of yesterday Outlook 2007.  Prior to that Outlook 2000.
No newsgroups

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Outlook 2003 for email.  

No Newsgroups.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application
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Best wishes,
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Tue Feb  2 10:35:28 2010
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:35:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B8453A7@exchange.ptiorl.local>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1><006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
	<A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B8453A7@exchange.ptiorl.local>
Message-ID: <3E84F9F3472C497E9A69B8B475DEC6CD@Lenny>

 
Outlook 03 home
Hotmail on the road



Bob Heygood






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application
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Best wishes,
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Tue Feb  2 10:36:41 2010
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:36:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <00f801caa425$e6103ed0$b230bc70$@com>

Outlook 2007.

Larry Mrazek
ph. 314-432-5886
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
http://www.lcm-res.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application
used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.

Best wishes,
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Feb  2 10:45:27 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:45:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Attachment fields
In-Reply-To: <3E84F9F3472C497E9A69B8B475DEC6CD@Lenny>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1><006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc><A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B8453A7@exchange.ptiorl.local>
	<3E84F9F3472C497E9A69B8B475DEC6CD@Lenny>
Message-ID: <731EFDB29FAC4B80A499D421C4F0996B@murphy3234aaf1>

Folks,

Has anyone on the list had any experience with attachment fields in Access
2007. I inherited a project that uses them. There are a few documents stored
in some of these fields. They appear to really slow down the forms that use
the table with these fields. Is this a common experience?

Thanks in advance.

Doug



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 10:55:16 2010
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:55:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Attachment fields
In-Reply-To: <731EFDB29FAC4B80A499D421C4F0996B@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
	<A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B8453A7@exchange.ptiorl.local>
	<3E84F9F3472C497E9A69B8B475DEC6CD@Lenny>
	<731EFDB29FAC4B80A499D421C4F0996B@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <29f585dd1002020855h372a5e1ay4b48ce041b077b79@mail.gmail.com>

In my limited experience, the whole point is to avoid using these
attachments until required. Postpone loading them until the user absolutely
demands it. A table with attachments won't load any slower than one without.
There will be a few extra pointers, obviously, but that's not really
significant given today's chips and memory capacities.

A.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Has anyone on the list had any experience with attachment fields in Access
> 2007. I inherited a project that uses them. There are a few documents
> stored
> in some of these fields. They appear to really slow down the forms that use
> the table with these fields. Is this a common experience?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Doug
>
>


From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Tue Feb  2 10:56:06 2010
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:56:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <BDE876FAEF0349E28D9D64C44637CEB4@s1800>

Outlook Express XP
no Newsgreoups

Lembit

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Feb  2 11:26:37 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 09:26:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <6DAE928156BB4B8E9ABD2CF84A045C09@HAL9005>

I use Outlook.  I used to use OE and then Thunderbird, but being an Access
developer, moved to Outlook because of client requirements for Automation.

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.e-z-mrp.com
www.bchacc.com
 
 


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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:23 AM
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Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Feb  2 11:47:39 2010
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:47:39 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <F63457766F3041BD884E3F2DF6BC6C23@MINSTER>

Outlook 2002
No newsgroups

andy

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: 02 February 2010 14:23
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


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From miscellany at mvps.org  Tue Feb  2 12:00:07 2010
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:00:07 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <DFE00B32DB3043EFBE9E7380A3682686@stevePC>

Windows Live Mail for everything.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "A.D. Tejpal" <adtp at airtelmail.in>
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:23 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

>    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application 
> used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.
>
 



From hkotsch at arcor.de  Tue Feb  2 12:51:40 2010
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:51:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCEJEGJAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

Emails: Outlook 2000 SP3
NewsGroups: Outlook Express 6

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von A.D. Tejpal
Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Februar 2010 15:23
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Feb  2 14:55:54 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:55:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <4B68915A.1295.9252CAA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Pegasus Mail

(don't do NewsGroups)
-- 
Stuart

On 2 Feb 2010 at 19:53, A.D. Tejpal wrote:

>     Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.
> 
> Best wishes,
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Feb  2 15:38:58 2010
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:38:58 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <4B68915A.1295.9252CAA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
	<4B68915A.1295.9252CAA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <0FDACED3BF0945E2B691EA29CAC7B8F5@darrendPC>

Outlook 2003
No Newsgroups

Darren

On 2 Feb 2010 at 19:53, A.D. Tejpal wrote:

>     Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application
used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.
> 
> Best wishes,
> A.D. Tejpal
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Feb  2 16:09:19 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:09:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D621@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Outlook 2007.

Haven't been on a newsgroup in ages, but when I did, I used Google
groups.

Drew

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From robert at servicexp.com  Tue Feb  2 16:11:04 2010
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:11:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <001901caa454$9df9ea90$d9edbfb0$@com>

Outlook 2007
No Newsgroups (probably would if outlook 2007 handled them..)

WBR
Robert


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

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From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 16:15:51 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:15:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
Message-ID: <7c7841601002021415y6e91a762j27f2f19eb54d58fd@mail.gmail.com>

GMail, and yes for NewsGroups, GMail (sadly unconfigured for this use)

-Ken


From edzedz at comcast.net  Tue Feb  2 16:45:33 2010
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:45:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <001f01caa459$6ee66d00$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 I using Outlook 2002.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

 Members of this forum are requested to
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From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 16:54:25 2010
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:54:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <001901caa454$9df9ea90$d9edbfb0$@com>
References: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
	<001901caa454$9df9ea90$d9edbfb0$@com>
Message-ID: <4b68ac5c.5644f10a.3220.fffff2df@mx.google.com>

Outlook 2007
No Newsgroups

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application
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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Tue Feb  2 16:53:08 2010
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:53:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
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	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <001f01caa45a$7d40c890$77c259b0$@rr.com>

Outlook 2007 - home and work.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Feb  2 17:45:25 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:45:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E3473F27F@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

Home and office: gmail
Office only:  Outlook 2007 through exchange server
No newsgroups only forums and lists

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca  Tue Feb  2 18:13:53 2010
From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:13:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
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References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP580FF51888448ACADB3698C4560@phx.gbl>

Outlook 2003 and Gmail
jack

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Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

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From joeo at appoli.com  Tue Feb  2 22:11:54 2010
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:11:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C0234A2543@exch2.Onappsad.net>

Outlook 2003
No Newsgroups


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Feb  2 22:54:48 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:54:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
Message-ID: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>

As you probably know by now, subforms load before parent forms, and their current events fire before 
the parent's current event.  It always puzzled me how they pull off this trick, but they do.

Usually this is not a problem but it can be.  For example, the main form has a "client" combo / 
field.  The child form does not use or care about that.  The grandchild form however needs that 
value to filter a combo to only display records from a table for that specific client.

In this case, it doesn't appear to work correctly.  The combo in the grandchild form is always a 
step behind the parent form, IOW if the parent displays client A, the combo in the grandchild 
displays whatever the parent had the PREVIOUS record.

So the current event of the main form fires last after all of the child / grandchild forms load (and 
their load / current events fire).  Logically, that current event of the main form needs to reach 
two levels down and tell that combo to requery itself.

What a PITA.

I actually built in to my framework collections of dependent child objects so that I could tell a 
form or a control on a form that "these objects are dependent on your data" and call those objects 
and requery them.  Of course I have to write code in the load event of the form to set up the 
dependent object hierarchy.

So how do YOU handle this kind of situation?

Curious minds want to know.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From adtp at airtelmail.in  Tue Feb  2 23:43:58 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:13:58 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
References: <7c7841601002021415y6e91a762j27f2f19eb54d58fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016001caa494$f15a9140$3701a8c0@adtpc>

Ken,

    Would it imply that you are accessing web based services without using any desktop client ?

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kenneth Ismert 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 03:45
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  GMail, and yes for NewsGroups, GMail (sadly unconfigured for this use)

  -Ken

From adtp at airtelmail.in  Tue Feb  2 23:45:17 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:15:17 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1><006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
	<4dd71a0c1002020754x284c8d53p2051dc562e8d584@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016101caa494$f3434e70$3701a8c0@adtpc>

Doug,

    Would it imply that you are accessing web based services without using any desktop client ?

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Doug Steele 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 21:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  Gmail for both

  Doug

  On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:23 AM, A.D. Tejpal <adtp at airtelmail.in> wrote:

  >    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application
  > used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.
  >
  > Best wishes,
  > A.D. Tejpal
  > ------------

From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 01:16:58 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 07:16:58 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
In-Reply-To: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4b692324.0707d00a.12c0.ffff8aab@mx.google.com>

You are correct in the loading order but if you have your links set up
correctly they work as  expected. I have thousands of example over the
years and the parent is NEVER a step behind the sub form.  Use the wizard to
load the sub  form into the main form and set the link criteria via that and
it will work.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 03 February 2010 04:55
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed

As you probably know by now, subforms load before parent forms, and their
current events fire before 
the parent's current event.  It always puzzled me how they pull off this
trick, but they do.

Usually this is not a problem but it can be.  For example, the main form has
a "client" combo / 
field.  The child form does not use or care about that.  The grandchild form
however needs that 
value to filter a combo to only display records from a table for that
specific client.

In this case, it doesn't appear to work correctly.  The combo in the
grandchild form is always a 
step behind the parent form, IOW if the parent displays client A, the combo
in the grandchild 
displays whatever the parent had the PREVIOUS record.

So the current event of the main form fires last after all of the child /
grandchild forms load (and 
their load / current events fire).  Logically, that current event of the
main form needs to reach 
two levels down and tell that combo to requery itself.

What a PITA.

I actually built in to my framework collections of dependent child objects
so that I could tell a 
form or a control on a form that "these objects are dependent on your data"
and call those objects 
and requery them.  Of course I have to write code in the load event of the
form to set up the 
dependent object hierarchy.

So how do YOU handle this kind of situation?

Curious minds want to know.

-- 
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www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Feb  3 01:36:28 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:36:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
In-Reply-To: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4B69277C.4399.B6FA732@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If you think about it, the parent can't finish loading until it's children have loaded since they 
are in controls inside the parent.

I use an unbound parent "wrapper form" with all of the other forms as first level children. The 
form also has a series of hidden text boxes which point to the PK in the parent form. I use the  
textbox as the "Link Master Field" for the child form.

Most of the system I do these days use this method extensively.

As an example, tak a geographic system using a hierarchy of:
Province, District, LLG (Local Level Government Area), Ward with

tblProv = Prov_PK,Prov_Name....
tblDist = Dist_PK, Prov_FK, Dist_Name.......
tblLLG = LLG_PK, Dist_FK, LLG_Name...
tblWard = Ward_PK,LLG_FK,Ward_Name......

I create an unbound form frmMain with 4 child forms
frmProv, frmDist, frmLLG, frmWard.
I place the 4 child forms side by side on the parent form

I  create 3 hidden text boxes
txtProvLink  = [frmProv].[Form]![Prov_PK]
txtDistLink  = [frmDist].[Form]![Dist_PK]
txtLLGLink  = [frmLLG].[Form]![LLG_PK]

I  set up the child form dependencies as:
frmDist: Linked Master Field = txtProvLink, Linked Child Field = Prov_FK
frmLLG: Linked Master Field = txtDistLink, Linked Child Field = Dist_FK
frmWard: Linked Master Field = txtLLGLink, Linked Child Field = LLG_FK

This method completely solves your problem. A child form does not update until the form 
above it has finished updating.

It also has a few other advantages:
allows you to have as many generations as you can fit on your screen
you can use any combination of  Single Form and Continuous Form  at the various levels.
you can layout the screen in any way you want, you don't need child forms completely 
embedded inside its parent.


-- 
Stuart


On 2 Feb 2010 at 23:54, jwcolby wrote:

> As you probably know by now, subforms load before parent forms, and their current events fire before 
> the parent's current event.  It always puzzled me how they pull off this trick, but they do.
> 
> Usually this is not a problem but it can be.  For example, the main form has a "client" combo / 
> field.  The child form does not use or care about that.  The grandchild form however needs that 
> value to filter a combo to only display records from a table for that specific client.
> 
> In this case, it doesn't appear to work correctly.  The combo in the grandchild form is always a 
> step behind the parent form, IOW if the parent displays client A, the combo in the grandchild 
> displays whatever the parent had the PREVIOUS record.
> 
> So the current event of the main form fires last after all of the child / grandchild forms load (and 
> their load / current events fire).  Logically, that current event of the main form needs to reach 
> two levels down and tell that combo to requery itself.
> 
> What a PITA.
> 
> I actually built in to my framework collections of dependent child objects so that I could tell a 
> form or a control on a form that "these objects are dependent on your data" and call those objects 
> and requery them.  Of course I have to write code in the load event of the form to set up the 
> dependent object hierarchy.
> 
> So how do YOU handle this kind of situation?
> 
> Curious minds want to know.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -- 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 04:00:48 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:00:48 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
In-Reply-To: <4B69277C.4399.B6FA732@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4B69277C.4399.B6FA732@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4b694955.1818d00a.5d30.ffffb1c7@mx.google.com>

Stuart,

The sub form loads and then  the other controls on the main form.  The data
is undetermined at this stage.

The main form then re-queries itself and the sub form is bought into  line
with the main form.

There  is no  need to jump through the loops you describe.

I am talking about bound forms through.  If it was an unbound form I would
simple issue a requery command to the sub form.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 03 February 2010 07:36
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed

If you think about it, the parent can't finish loading until it's children
have loaded since they 
are in controls inside the parent.

I use an unbound parent "wrapper form" with all of the other forms as first
level children. The 
form also has a series of hidden text boxes which point to the PK in the
parent form. I use the  
textbox as the "Link Master Field" for the child form.

Most of the system I do these days use this method extensively.

As an example, tak a geographic system using a hierarchy of:
Province, District, LLG (Local Level Government Area), Ward with

tblProv = Prov_PK,Prov_Name....
tblDist = Dist_PK, Prov_FK, Dist_Name.......
tblLLG = LLG_PK, Dist_FK, LLG_Name...
tblWard = Ward_PK,LLG_FK,Ward_Name......

I create an unbound form frmMain with 4 child forms
frmProv, frmDist, frmLLG, frmWard.
I place the 4 child forms side by side on the parent form

I  create 3 hidden text boxes
txtProvLink  = [frmProv].[Form]![Prov_PK]
txtDistLink  = [frmDist].[Form]![Dist_PK]
txtLLGLink  = [frmLLG].[Form]![LLG_PK]

I  set up the child form dependencies as:
frmDist: Linked Master Field = txtProvLink, Linked Child Field = Prov_FK
frmLLG: Linked Master Field = txtDistLink, Linked Child Field = Dist_FK
frmWard: Linked Master Field = txtLLGLink, Linked Child Field = LLG_FK

This method completely solves your problem. A child form does not update
until the form 
above it has finished updating.

It also has a few other advantages:
allows you to have as many generations as you can fit on your screen
you can use any combination of  Single Form and Continuous Form  at the
various levels.
you can layout the screen in any way you want, you don't need child forms
completely 
embedded inside its parent.


-- 
Stuart


On 2 Feb 2010 at 23:54, jwcolby wrote:

> As you probably know by now, subforms load before parent forms, and their
current events fire before 
> the parent's current event.  It always puzzled me how they pull off this
trick, but they do.
> 
> Usually this is not a problem but it can be.  For example, the main form
has a "client" combo / 
> field.  The child form does not use or care about that.  The grandchild
form however needs that 
> value to filter a combo to only display records from a table for that
specific client.
> 
> In this case, it doesn't appear to work correctly.  The combo in the
grandchild form is always a 
> step behind the parent form, IOW if the parent displays client A, the
combo in the grandchild 
> displays whatever the parent had the PREVIOUS record.
> 
> So the current event of the main form fires last after all of the child /
grandchild forms load (and 
> their load / current events fire).  Logically, that current event of the
main form needs to reach 
> two levels down and tell that combo to requery itself.
> 
> What a PITA.
> 
> I actually built in to my framework collections of dependent child objects
so that I could tell a 
> form or a control on a form that "these objects are dependent on your
data" and call those objects 
> and requery them.  Of course I have to write code in the load event of the
form to set up the 
> dependent object hierarchy.
> 
> So how do YOU handle this kind of situation?
> 
> Curious minds want to know.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -- 
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From Johncliviger at aol.com  Wed Feb  3 05:20:55 2010
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 06:20:55 EST
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
Message-ID: <16b2.19b8c89d.389ab617@aol.com>

AOL email
 
no newsgroups
 
john cliviger


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Feb  3 06:11:18 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 06:11:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4b63cc47.0e67f10a.4963.ffffc8e4@mx.google.com>
References: <84B29CE5C9394927BB6383AF3DC5CEAD@danwaters>
	<4b63cc47.0e67f10a.4963.ffffc8e4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A45985594E374601A1C460C9FE4FB28E@danwaters>

Well - no joy.  Good idea though.

Thanks,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL Server

Dan,
Weird I know, but from time to time this has happened to me. I have found
that deleting the query and creating a new query (not cut n paste, but a
brand  new  query) has  cured it.  Some flag incorrectly set  in the "behind
the scenes" sql code  perhaps)

Shrug!

Try it and see if it works.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 29 January 2010 22:18
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL Server

I have an Access file which contains a LEFT JOIN query between two tables.
If the query uses table links to an Access BE, the query is updateable -
which it should be.  But if the query uses ODBC table links to a SS Express
database on my PC, then the query is not updateable.  

To compound the mystery, the same Access query using ODBC table links to a
standard SQL Server database with the same tables IS updateable!

Does anyone know what's up with this or how it can be fixed?

Thanks!
Dan

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Feb  3 06:12:23 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 06:12:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D794EE@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <84B29CE5C9394927BB6383AF3DC5CEAD@danwaters><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D794EC@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET><314039A176AD42FE9160B1EF0A3C885D@danwaters>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D794EE@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <21C6B29E0FD144728B6525B498724F0B@danwaters>

I did try that - but still not working.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL Server

Just a clutch, did you delete the linked table and relink after setting
the bit fields to not allow null?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL
Server

The tables did have primary keys.  There are several bit fields, and all
were set to allow nulls, with false as the default value.  I changed all
the fields to no allow nulls, but that did not solve the problem.

Anything else?

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL
Server

A couple of things to check.  Do you have primary key defined in the
linked table and do you have any bit fields that allow nulls? 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL Server

I have an Access file which contains a LEFT JOIN query between two
tables.
If the query uses table links to an Access BE, the query is updateable -
which it should be.  But if the query uses ODBC table links to a SS
Express database on my PC, then the query is not updateable.  

To compound the mystery, the same Access query using ODBC table links to
a standard SQL Server database with the same tables IS updateable!

Does anyone know what's up with this or how it can be fixed?

Thanks!
Dan

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From adtp at airtelmail.in  Wed Feb  3 07:15:21 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:45:21 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
References: <16b2.19b8c89d.389ab617@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005b01caa4d3$101189c0$3701a8c0@adtpc>

John,

    Would it imply that you are handling the messages directly at web site, without making use of any desktop client ?

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Johncliviger at aol.com 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 16:50
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  AOL email
   
  no newsgroups
   
  john cliviger

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 09:39:53 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 07:39:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <016101caa494$f3434e70$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
	<4dd71a0c1002020754x284c8d53p2051dc562e8d584@mail.gmail.com>
	<016101caa494$f3434e70$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c1002030739v7d6ea63bp50e248ebe921637a@mail.gmail.com>

No, whenever I join a newsgroup I make sure that I get all the items emailed
to me so I can use Gmail.  I filter all my incoming into folders.  I
(almost) never use a web interface to look at a newsgroup.

Doug

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:45 PM, A.D. Tejpal <adtp at airtelmail.in> wrote:

> Doug,
>
>    Would it imply that you are accessing web based services without using
> any desktop client ?
>
>


From delam at zyterra.com  Wed Feb  3 09:53:42 2010
From: delam at zyterra.com (Debbie)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:53:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c1002030739v7d6ea63bp50e248ebe921637a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
	<4dd71a0c1002020754x284c8d53p2051dc562e8d584@mail.gmail.com>
	<016101caa494$f3434e70$3701a8c0@adtpc>
	<4dd71a0c1002030739v7d6ea63bp50e248ebe921637a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <938051A1-1506-40C7-BAA5-59B658CA7A12@zyterra.com>

I just use the service's webmail program for email and no newsgroups.  
I had Internet service that made a mess of my email settings so often  
in the name of Internet security that I gave up on outlook for a while  
and have just gotten used to webmail. Interestingly, mail to these  
lists does not go through from webmail, so I must send messages from  
my phone.

Debbie

Sent from my iPhone


>>
>


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb  3 10:07:29 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:07:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
Message-ID: <sb69ad5c.061@cactus.dk>

Hi A.D.

Sooner or later you should reveal why you are researching this ...

To confuse you, my colleagues use the desktop client when in the office and the web interface when at clients, and at home I use the client at my workstation, the web interface on the laptop, and (not so often) my mobile phone via a web access.

/gustav


>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 03-02-2010 06:43 >>>

  .. you are accessing web based services without using any desktop client ?

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal





From Johncliviger at aol.com  Wed Feb  3 10:15:23 2010
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:15:23 EST
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
Message-ID: <9460.5954b37b.389afb1b@aol.com>

AD,
 
Yes.
 
johnc


From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 10:28:53 2010
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:28:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <aea6c4951002030828o3f93e7dapa2e3f708bd8ad08a@mail.gmail.com>

Personal Email1 = Comcast email - Browser interface (called Smartzone)
Personal Email2 = Gmail - Browser interface

Work e-mail = Outlook 2003

No newsgroups



On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:23 AM, A.D. Tejpal <adtp at airtelmail.in> wrote:
> ? ?Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.
>
> Best wishes,
> A.D. Tejpal
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From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Wed Feb  3 12:03:47 2010
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:03:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1265220000.19726.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1265220000.19726.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <66D9CA142291D741B515207C09AA3BC3147D9F@MAIL2.FLDOE.INT>

Outlook 2003

If you need further assistance feel free to contact me.
?
Susan Klos
Senior Database Analyst
Florida Department of Education
Evaluation and Reporting Office
Phone: 850.245.0708
Fax: 850.245.0710
email: susan.klos at fldoe.org


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  13. Re: Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client (Joe O'Connell)
  14. Two levels up (or down) , twice removed (jwcolby)
  15. Re: Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client (A.D. Tejpal)
  16. Re: Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client (A.D. Tejpal)
  17. Re: Two levels up (or down) , twice removed (Max Wanadoo)
  18. Re: Two levels up (or down) , twice removed (Stuart McLachlan)
  19. Re: Two levels up (or down) , twice removed (Max Wanadoo)
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  21. Re: Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL Server
      (Dan Waters)
  22. Re: Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL Server
      (Dan Waters)
  23. Re: Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client (A.D. Tejpal)
  24. Re: Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client (Doug Steele)
  25. Re: Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client (Debbie)
  26. Re: Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client (Gustav Brock)
  27. Re: Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
      (Johncliviger at aol.com)
  28. Re: Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client (Gary Kjos)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:00:07 +1300
From: Steve Schapel <miscellany at mvps.org>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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	reply-type=original

Windows Live Mail for everything.

Regards
Steve


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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:23 AM
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>    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application 
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:51:40 +0100
From: "Helmut Kotsch" <hkotsch at arcor.de>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Emails: Outlook 2000 SP3
NewsGroups: Outlook Express 6

Helmut

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:55:54 +1000
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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Pegasus Mail

(don't do NewsGroups)
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On 2 Feb 2010 at 19:53, A.D. Tejpal wrote:

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> 
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:38:58 +1100
From: "Darren - Active Billing" <darren at activebilling.com.au>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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Outlook 2003
No Newsgroups

Darren

On 2 Feb 2010 at 19:53, A.D. Tejpal wrote:

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> 
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:09:19 -0600
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at Marlow.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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Outlook 2007.

Haven't been on a newsgroup in ages, but when I did, I used Google
groups.

Drew

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:11:04 -0500
From: "Robert" <robert at servicexp.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
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Outlook 2007
No Newsgroups (probably would if outlook 2007 handled them..)

WBR
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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:23 AM
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Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:15:51 -0600
From: Kenneth Ismert <kismert at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

GMail, and yes for NewsGroups, GMail (sadly unconfigured for this use)

-Ken


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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:45:33 -0700
From: "Edward Zuris" <edzedz at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <001f01caa459$6ee66d00$5bdea8c0 at edz1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"


 I using Outlook 2002.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:54:25 -0600
From: "Jeff B" <jeff.developer at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Outlook 2007
No Newsgroups

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com


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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:53:08 -0500
From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at sc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Outlook 2007 - home and work.

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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:45:25 -0600
From: Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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Home and office: gmail
Office only:  Outlook 2007 through exchange server
No newsgroups only forums and lists

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:23 AM
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:13:53 -0500
From: "Jack and Pat" <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Outlook 2003 and Gmail
jack

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:11:54 -0500
From: "Joe O'Connell" <joeo at appoli.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Outlook 2003
No Newsgroups


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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:23 AM
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Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:54:48 -0500
From: jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4B690198.9010705 at colbyconsulting.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

As you probably know by now, subforms load before parent forms, and their current events fire before 
the parent's current event.  It always puzzled me how they pull off this trick, but they do.

Usually this is not a problem but it can be.  For example, the main form has a "client" combo / 
field.  The child form does not use or care about that.  The grandchild form however needs that 
value to filter a combo to only display records from a table for that specific client.

In this case, it doesn't appear to work correctly.  The combo in the grandchild form is always a 
step behind the parent form, IOW if the parent displays client A, the combo in the grandchild 
displays whatever the parent had the PREVIOUS record.

So the current event of the main form fires last after all of the child / grandchild forms load (and 
their load / current events fire).  Logically, that current event of the main form needs to reach 
two levels down and tell that combo to requery itself.

What a PITA.

I actually built in to my framework collections of dependent child objects so that I could tell a 
form or a control on a form that "these objects are dependent on your data" and call those objects 
and requery them.  Of course I have to write code in the load event of the form to set up the 
dependent object hierarchy.

So how do YOU handle this kind of situation?

Curious minds want to know.

-- 
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www.ColbyConsulting.com


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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:13:58 +0530
From: "A.D. Tejpal" <adtp at airtelmail.in>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <016001caa494$f15a9140$3701a8c0 at adtpc>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Ken,

    Would it imply that you are accessing web based services without using any desktop client ?

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kenneth Ismert 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 03:45
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  GMail, and yes for NewsGroups, GMail (sadly unconfigured for this use)

  -Ken

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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:15:17 +0530
From: "A.D. Tejpal" <adtp at airtelmail.in>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <016101caa494$f3434e70$3701a8c0 at adtpc>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Doug,

    Would it imply that you are accessing web based services without using any desktop client ?

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Doug Steele 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 21:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  Gmail for both

  Doug

  On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:23 AM, A.D. Tejpal <adtp at airtelmail.in> wrote:

  >    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application
  > used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.
  >
  > Best wishes,
  > A.D. Tejpal
  > ------------

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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 07:16:58 -0000
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4b692324.0707d00a.12c0.ffff8aab at mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

You are correct in the loading order but if you have your links set up
correctly they work as  expected. I have thousands of example over the
years and the parent is NEVER a step behind the sub form.  Use the wizard to
load the sub  form into the main form and set the link criteria via that and
it will work.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 03 February 2010 04:55
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed

As you probably know by now, subforms load before parent forms, and their
current events fire before 
the parent's current event.  It always puzzled me how they pull off this
trick, but they do.

Usually this is not a problem but it can be.  For example, the main form has
a "client" combo / 
field.  The child form does not use or care about that.  The grandchild form
however needs that 
value to filter a combo to only display records from a table for that
specific client.

In this case, it doesn't appear to work correctly.  The combo in the
grandchild form is always a 
step behind the parent form, IOW if the parent displays client A, the combo
in the grandchild 
displays whatever the parent had the PREVIOUS record.

So the current event of the main form fires last after all of the child /
grandchild forms load (and 
their load / current events fire).  Logically, that current event of the
main form needs to reach 
two levels down and tell that combo to requery itself.

What a PITA.

I actually built in to my framework collections of dependent child objects
so that I could tell a 
form or a control on a form that "these objects are dependent on your data"
and call those objects 
and requery them.  Of course I have to write code in the load event of the
form to set up the 
dependent object hierarchy.

So how do YOU handle this kind of situation?

Curious minds want to know.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:36:28 +1000
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4B69277C.4399.B6FA732 at stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

If you think about it, the parent can't finish loading until it's children have loaded since they 
are in controls inside the parent.

I use an unbound parent "wrapper form" with all of the other forms as first level children. The 
form also has a series of hidden text boxes which point to the PK in the parent form. I use the  
textbox as the "Link Master Field" for the child form.

Most of the system I do these days use this method extensively.

As an example, tak a geographic system using a hierarchy of:
Province, District, LLG (Local Level Government Area), Ward with

tblProv = Prov_PK,Prov_Name....
tblDist = Dist_PK, Prov_FK, Dist_Name.......
tblLLG = LLG_PK, Dist_FK, LLG_Name...
tblWard = Ward_PK,LLG_FK,Ward_Name......

I create an unbound form frmMain with 4 child forms
frmProv, frmDist, frmLLG, frmWard.
I place the 4 child forms side by side on the parent form

I  create 3 hidden text boxes
txtProvLink  = [frmProv].[Form]![Prov_PK]
txtDistLink  = [frmDist].[Form]![Dist_PK]
txtLLGLink  = [frmLLG].[Form]![LLG_PK]

I  set up the child form dependencies as:
frmDist: Linked Master Field = txtProvLink, Linked Child Field = Prov_FK
frmLLG: Linked Master Field = txtDistLink, Linked Child Field = Dist_FK
frmWard: Linked Master Field = txtLLGLink, Linked Child Field = LLG_FK

This method completely solves your problem. A child form does not update until the form 
above it has finished updating.

It also has a few other advantages:
allows you to have as many generations as you can fit on your screen
you can use any combination of  Single Form and Continuous Form  at the various levels.
you can layout the screen in any way you want, you don't need child forms completely 
embedded inside its parent.


-- 
Stuart


On 2 Feb 2010 at 23:54, jwcolby wrote:

> As you probably know by now, subforms load before parent forms, and their current events fire before 
> the parent's current event.  It always puzzled me how they pull off this trick, but they do.
> 
> Usually this is not a problem but it can be.  For example, the main form has a "client" combo / 
> field.  The child form does not use or care about that.  The grandchild form however needs that 
> value to filter a combo to only display records from a table for that specific client.
> 
> In this case, it doesn't appear to work correctly.  The combo in the grandchild form is always a 
> step behind the parent form, IOW if the parent displays client A, the combo in the grandchild 
> displays whatever the parent had the PREVIOUS record.
> 
> So the current event of the main form fires last after all of the child / grandchild forms load (and 
> their load / current events fire).  Logically, that current event of the main form needs to reach 
> two levels down and tell that combo to requery itself.
> 
> What a PITA.
> 
> I actually built in to my framework collections of dependent child objects so that I could tell a 
> form or a control on a form that "these objects are dependent on your data" and call those objects 
> and requery them.  Of course I have to write code in the load event of the form to set up the 
> dependent object hierarchy.
> 
> So how do YOU handle this kind of situation?
> 
> Curious minds want to know.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:00:48 -0000
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4b694955.1818d00a.5d30.ffffb1c7 at mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Stuart,

The sub form loads and then  the other controls on the main form.  The data
is undetermined at this stage.

The main form then re-queries itself and the sub form is bought into  line
with the main form.

There  is no  need to jump through the loops you describe.

I am talking about bound forms through.  If it was an unbound form I would
simple issue a requery command to the sub form.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 03 February 2010 07:36
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed

If you think about it, the parent can't finish loading until it's children
have loaded since they 
are in controls inside the parent.

I use an unbound parent "wrapper form" with all of the other forms as first
level children. The 
form also has a series of hidden text boxes which point to the PK in the
parent form. I use the  
textbox as the "Link Master Field" for the child form.

Most of the system I do these days use this method extensively.

As an example, tak a geographic system using a hierarchy of:
Province, District, LLG (Local Level Government Area), Ward with

tblProv = Prov_PK,Prov_Name....
tblDist = Dist_PK, Prov_FK, Dist_Name.......
tblLLG = LLG_PK, Dist_FK, LLG_Name...
tblWard = Ward_PK,LLG_FK,Ward_Name......

I create an unbound form frmMain with 4 child forms
frmProv, frmDist, frmLLG, frmWard.
I place the 4 child forms side by side on the parent form

I  create 3 hidden text boxes
txtProvLink  = [frmProv].[Form]![Prov_PK]
txtDistLink  = [frmDist].[Form]![Dist_PK]
txtLLGLink  = [frmLLG].[Form]![LLG_PK]

I  set up the child form dependencies as:
frmDist: Linked Master Field = txtProvLink, Linked Child Field = Prov_FK
frmLLG: Linked Master Field = txtDistLink, Linked Child Field = Dist_FK
frmWard: Linked Master Field = txtLLGLink, Linked Child Field = LLG_FK

This method completely solves your problem. A child form does not update
until the form 
above it has finished updating.

It also has a few other advantages:
allows you to have as many generations as you can fit on your screen
you can use any combination of  Single Form and Continuous Form  at the
various levels.
you can layout the screen in any way you want, you don't need child forms
completely 
embedded inside its parent.


-- 
Stuart


On 2 Feb 2010 at 23:54, jwcolby wrote:

> As you probably know by now, subforms load before parent forms, and their
current events fire before 
> the parent's current event.  It always puzzled me how they pull off this
trick, but they do.
> 
> Usually this is not a problem but it can be.  For example, the main form
has a "client" combo / 
> field.  The child form does not use or care about that.  The grandchild
form however needs that 
> value to filter a combo to only display records from a table for that
specific client.
> 
> In this case, it doesn't appear to work correctly.  The combo in the
grandchild form is always a 
> step behind the parent form, IOW if the parent displays client A, the
combo in the grandchild 
> displays whatever the parent had the PREVIOUS record.
> 
> So the current event of the main form fires last after all of the child /
grandchild forms load (and 
> their load / current events fire).  Logically, that current event of the
main form needs to reach 
> two levels down and tell that combo to requery itself.
> 
> What a PITA.
> 
> I actually built in to my framework collections of dependent child objects
so that I could tell a 
> form or a control on a form that "these objects are dependent on your
data" and call those objects 
> and requery them.  Of course I have to write code in the load event of the
form to set up the 
> dependent object hierarchy.
> 
> So how do YOU handle this kind of situation?
> 
> Curious minds want to know.
> 
> -- 
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 06:20:55 EST
From: Johncliviger at aol.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Message-ID: <16b2.19b8c89d.389ab617 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

AOL email
 
no newsgroups
 
john cliviger


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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 06:11:18 -0600
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL
	Server
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <A45985594E374601A1C460C9FE4FB28E at danwaters>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Well - no joy.  Good idea though.

Thanks,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL Server

Dan,
Weird I know, but from time to time this has happened to me. I have found
that deleting the query and creating a new query (not cut n paste, but a
brand  new  query) has  cured it.  Some flag incorrectly set  in the "behind
the scenes" sql code  perhaps)

Shrug!

Try it and see if it works.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 29 January 2010 22:18
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL Server

I have an Access file which contains a LEFT JOIN query between two tables.
If the query uses table links to an Access BE, the query is updateable -
which it should be.  But if the query uses ODBC table links to a SS Express
database on my PC, then the query is not updateable.  

To compound the mystery, the same Access query using ODBC table links to a
standard SQL Server database with the same tables IS updateable!

Does anyone know what's up with this or how it can be fixed?

Thanks!
Dan

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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 06:12:23 -0600
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL
	Server
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <21C6B29E0FD144728B6525B498724F0B at danwaters>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

I did try that - but still not working.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL Server

Just a clutch, did you delete the linked table and relink after setting
the bit fields to not allow null?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL
Server

The tables did have primary keys.  There are several bit fields, and all
were set to allow nulls, with false as the default value.  I changed all
the fields to no allow nulls, but that did not solve the problem.

Anything else?

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL
Server

A couple of things to check.  Do you have primary key defined in the
linked table and do you have any bit fields that allow nulls? 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Ask Again? - Updateable Query - Access vs. SQL Server

I have an Access file which contains a LEFT JOIN query between two
tables.
If the query uses table links to an Access BE, the query is updateable -
which it should be.  But if the query uses ODBC table links to a SS
Express database on my PC, then the query is not updateable.  

To compound the mystery, the same Access query using ODBC table links to
a standard SQL Server database with the same tables IS updateable!

Does anyone know what's up with this or how it can be fixed?

Thanks!
Dan

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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:45:21 +0530
From: "A.D. Tejpal" <adtp at airtelmail.in>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <005b01caa4d3$101189c0$3701a8c0 at adtpc>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

John,

    Would it imply that you are handling the messages directly at web site, without making use of any desktop client ?

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Johncliviger at aol.com 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 16:50
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  AOL email
   
  no newsgroups
   
  john cliviger

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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 07:39:53 -0800
From: Doug Steele <dbdoug at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID:
	<4dd71a0c1002030739v7d6ea63bp50e248ebe921637a at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

No, whenever I join a newsgroup I make sure that I get all the items emailed
to me so I can use Gmail.  I filter all my incoming into folders.  I
(almost) never use a web interface to look at a newsgroup.

Doug

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:45 PM, A.D. Tejpal <adtp at airtelmail.in> wrote:

> Doug,
>
>    Would it imply that you are accessing web based services without using
> any desktop client ?
>
>


------------------------------

Message: 25
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:53:42 -0600
From: Debbie <delam at zyterra.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <938051A1-1506-40C7-BAA5-59B658CA7A12 at zyterra.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii;	format=flowed;	delsp=yes

I just use the service's webmail program for email and no newsgroups.  
I had Internet service that made a mess of my email settings so often  
in the name of Internet security that I gave up on outlook for a while  
and have just gotten used to webmail. Interestingly, mail to these  
lists does not go through from webmail, so I must send messages from  
my phone.

Debbie

Sent from my iPhone


>>
>


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Message: 26
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:07:29 +0100
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <sb69ad5c.061 at cactus.dk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Hi A.D.

Sooner or later you should reveal why you are researching this ...

To confuse you, my colleagues use the desktop client when in the office and the web interface when at clients, and at home I use the client at my workstation, the web interface on the laptop, and (not so often) my mobile phone via a web access.

/gustav


>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 03-02-2010 06:43 >>>

  .. you are accessing web based services without using any desktop client ?

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal





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Message: 27
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:15:23 EST
From: Johncliviger at aol.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Message-ID: <9460.5954b37b.389afb1b at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

AD,
 
Yes.
 
johnc


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Message: 28
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:28:53 -0600
From: Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID:
	<aea6c4951002030828o3f93e7dapa2e3f708bd8ad08a at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Personal Email1 = Comcast email - Browser interface (called Smartzone)
Personal Email2 = Gmail - Browser interface

Work e-mail = Outlook 2003

No newsgroups



On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:23 AM, A.D. Tejpal <adtp at airtelmail.in> wrote:
> ? ?Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.
>
> Best wishes,
> A.D. Tejpal
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Feb  3 13:07:15 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:07:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem
Message-ID: <CF00939926714A99916AB6DB30A1BD31@HAL9005>

Dear List:

In the line:

    DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel9, strSQL,
strFrontEndPath & "ExportedAuditTrail", True


strSQL = "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail" where tblAuditTrail is a linked
table.

I get an error message The Microsoft Jet Database engine could not find the
object 'Select * FROM tblAuditTrail'.  

Can you not use a SQL statement as the query for export?

I can't put this into a query because the user can filter on several fields
so I build those filters into the SQL statement using
WHERE...AND...AND...etc.

MTIA

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Feb  3 13:21:02 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:21:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem
In-Reply-To: <CF00939926714A99916AB6DB30A1BD31@HAL9005>
References: <CF00939926714A99916AB6DB30A1BD31@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <082964C420334BFE8FA5C4DD5FDA3CEC@danwaters>

Hi Rocky,

I had this same (or similar) issue once.  There is a known bug in Access
which will prevent an OutputTo method from working if the database is
running but has not yet opened any object (form, query, report).  See
KB244695.

I use an 'OutputTo' method instead of TransferSpreadsheet:

  DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryGlobalErrorsToDeveloper"
        
  DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputQuery, "qryGlobalErrorsToDeveloper", acFormatXLS,
stgClientPath

  DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryGlobalErrorsToDeveloper"

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem

Dear List:

In the line:

    DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel9, strSQL,
strFrontEndPath & "ExportedAuditTrail", True


strSQL = "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail" where tblAuditTrail is a linked
table.

I get an error message The Microsoft Jet Database engine could not find the
object 'Select * FROM tblAuditTrail'.  

Can you not use a SQL statement as the query for export?

I can't put this into a query because the user can filter on several fields
so I build those filters into the SQL statement using
WHERE...AND...AND...etc.

MTIA

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Feb  3 13:26:29 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:26:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
In-Reply-To: <4B69277C.4399.B6FA732@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4B69277C.4399.B6FA732@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4B69CDE5.9060701@colbyconsulting.com>

Stuart,

When I did this I was able to pull a grandchild form out of the child form and place it directly on 
the main form and the combo then displayed correctly.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> If you think about it, the parent can't finish loading until it's children have loaded since they 
> are in controls inside the parent.
> 
> I use an unbound parent "wrapper form" with all of the other forms as first level children. The 
> form also has a series of hidden text boxes which point to the PK in the parent form. I use the  
> textbox as the "Link Master Field" for the child form.
> 
> Most of the system I do these days use this method extensively.
> 
> As an example, tak a geographic system using a hierarchy of:
> Province, District, LLG (Local Level Government Area), Ward with
> 
> tblProv = Prov_PK,Prov_Name....
> tblDist = Dist_PK, Prov_FK, Dist_Name.......
> tblLLG = LLG_PK, Dist_FK, LLG_Name...
> tblWard = Ward_PK,LLG_FK,Ward_Name......
> 
> I create an unbound form frmMain with 4 child forms
> frmProv, frmDist, frmLLG, frmWard.
> I place the 4 child forms side by side on the parent form
> 
> I  create 3 hidden text boxes
> txtProvLink  = [frmProv].[Form]![Prov_PK]
> txtDistLink  = [frmDist].[Form]![Dist_PK]
> txtLLGLink  = [frmLLG].[Form]![LLG_PK]
> 
> I  set up the child form dependencies as:
> frmDist: Linked Master Field = txtProvLink, Linked Child Field = Prov_FK
> frmLLG: Linked Master Field = txtDistLink, Linked Child Field = Dist_FK
> frmWard: Linked Master Field = txtLLGLink, Linked Child Field = LLG_FK
> 
> This method completely solves your problem. A child form does not update until the form 
> above it has finished updating.
> 
> It also has a few other advantages:
> allows you to have as many generations as you can fit on your screen
> you can use any combination of  Single Form and Continuous Form  at the various levels.
> you can layout the screen in any way you want, you don't need child forms completely 
> embedded inside its parent.
> 
> 


From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Wed Feb  3 13:27:06 2010
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:27:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem
In-Reply-To: <CF00939926714A99916AB6DB30A1BD31@HAL9005>
References: <CF00939926714A99916AB6DB30A1BD31@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D7950C@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Rocky,

I've never tried to use a SQL string as the query but I'm guessing you
can't.  To get around the issue, you can change the SQL of a query then
use the query in the DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet, ie:

    Dim db As Database
    Dim qdf As QueryDef
    Dim strSQL as String
    
    Set db = CurrentDb()
    strSQL = "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail"
    Set qdf = db.QueryDefs("qryYourQueryHere")
    qdf.SQL = strSQL
    qdf.Close
    Set qdf = Nothing

    DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel9,
"qryYourQueryHere", strFrontEndPath & "ExportedAuditTrail", True

HTH,

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem

Dear List:

In the line:

    DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel9, strSQL,
strFrontEndPath & "ExportedAuditTrail", True


strSQL = "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail" where tblAuditTrail is a linked
table.

I get an error message The Microsoft Jet Database engine could not find
the object 'Select * FROM tblAuditTrail'.  

Can you not use a SQL statement as the query for export?

I can't put this into a query because the user can filter on several
fields so I build those filters into the SQL statement using
WHERE...AND...AND...etc.

MTIA

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 13:29:15 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:29:15 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem
In-Reply-To: <CF00939926714A99916AB6DB30A1BD31@HAL9005>
References: <CF00939926714A99916AB6DB30A1BD31@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4b69ceb0.0a04d00a.08b3.ffff91ef@mx.google.com>

Hi Rocky,

It is looking for a table name or a query name  (ie, an object and not a sql
statement)

Try  this simple function.

Private Function xx()
    Dim strQryName As String, strQryNamePath As String
    strQryName = "zzzTest"
    strQryNamePath = "C:\MyOutput"
    DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, , strQryName, strQryNamePath, True
End Function

Where zzzTest is a Queryname for your query and the sql statement is "Select
* FROM tblAuditTrail"

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 03 February 2010 19:07
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem

Dear List:

In the line:

    DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel9, strSQL,
strFrontEndPath & "ExportedAuditTrail", True


strSQL = "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail" where tblAuditTrail is a linked
table.

I get an error message The Microsoft Jet Database engine could not find the
object 'Select * FROM tblAuditTrail'.  

Can you not use a SQL statement as the query for export?

I can't put this into a query because the user can filter on several fields
so I build those filters into the SQL statement using
WHERE...AND...AND...etc.

MTIA

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 




From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Wed Feb  3 13:36:51 2010
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 14:36:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem
In-Reply-To: <CF00939926714A99916AB6DB30A1BD31@HAL9005>
References: <CF00939926714A99916AB6DB30A1BD31@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E832AB3F6@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Rusty's solution leaves you with a query hanging around, which might cause a runtime error next time you run the process. Here is another way which creates a query on the fly in one line, exports it and the gets rid of the temporary query.


Dim strSQL As String
Dim qd As QueryDef
strSQL = "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail" ' plus you can add all the filter statements you need here

CurrentDb.CreateQueryDef "zTemp", strSQL
DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel9, "zTemp",  strFrontEndPath & "ExportedAuditTrail", True
DoCmd.DeleteObject acQuery, "zTemp" 


Lambert
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem

Dear List:

In the line:

    DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel9, strSQL, strFrontEndPath & "ExportedAuditTrail", True


strSQL = "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail" where tblAuditTrail is a linked table.

I get an error message The Microsoft Jet Database engine could not find the object 'Select * FROM tblAuditTrail'.  

Can you not use a SQL statement as the query for export?

I can't put this into a query because the user can filter on several fields so I build those filters into the SQL statement using WHERE...AND...AND...etc.

MTIA

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 




From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Wed Feb  3 13:45:22 2010
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:45:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E832AB3F6@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <CF00939926714A99916AB6DB30A1BD31@HAL9005>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E832AB3F6@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D7950D@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Lambert,

I've never had an issue with a runtime error when changing the sql of an
existing query, but still I like your idea of creating a temporary query
and deleting it when done, especially when the SQL changes as in this
situation.

Thanks.

Rusty 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem

Rusty's solution leaves you with a query hanging around, which might
cause a runtime error next time you run the process. Here is another way
which creates a query on the fly in one line, exports it and the gets
rid of the temporary query.


Dim strSQL As String
Dim qd As QueryDef
strSQL = "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail" ' plus you can add all the filter
statements you need here

CurrentDb.CreateQueryDef "zTemp", strSQL DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet
acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel9, "zTemp",  strFrontEndPath &
"ExportedAuditTrail", True DoCmd.DeleteObject acQuery, "zTemp" 


Lambert
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem

Dear List:

In the line:

    DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel9, strSQL,
strFrontEndPath & "ExportedAuditTrail", True


strSQL = "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail" where tblAuditTrail is a linked
table.

I get an error message The Microsoft Jet Database engine could not find
the object 'Select * FROM tblAuditTrail'.  

Can you not use a SQL statement as the query for export?

I can't put this into a query because the user can filter on several
fields so I build those filters into the SQL statement using
WHERE...AND...AND...etc.

MTIA

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Feb  3 13:48:11 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:48:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D7950C@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <CF00939926714A99916AB6DB30A1BD31@HAL9005>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D7950C@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <5FD203ED52F84D69BD8B6580A520B4EB@HAL9005>

Rusty:

Perfect!  That done it!  Thank you.

Rocky
 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem

Rocky,

I've never tried to use a SQL string as the query but I'm guessing you
can't.  To get around the issue, you can change the SQL of a query then use
the query in the DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet, ie:

    Dim db As Database
    Dim qdf As QueryDef
    Dim strSQL as String
    
    Set db = CurrentDb()
    strSQL = "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail"
    Set qdf = db.QueryDefs("qryYourQueryHere")
    qdf.SQL = strSQL
    qdf.Close
    Set qdf = Nothing

    DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel9,
"qryYourQueryHere", strFrontEndPath & "ExportedAuditTrail", True

HTH,

Rusty

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem

Dear List:

In the line:

    DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel9, strSQL,
strFrontEndPath & "ExportedAuditTrail", True


strSQL = "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail" where tblAuditTrail is a linked
table.

I get an error message The Microsoft Jet Database engine could not find the
object 'Select * FROM tblAuditTrail'.  

Can you not use a SQL statement as the query for export?

I can't put this into a query because the user can filter on several fields
so I build those filters into the SQL statement using
WHERE...AND...AND...etc.

MTIA

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Feb  3 13:52:57 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:52:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E832AB3F6@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <CF00939926714A99916AB6DB30A1BD31@HAL9005>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E832AB3F6@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CB101869727B4041A238453004759924@HAL9005>

Even better.  I had to create a query in the query container
(qryTorayExport) before it would work.  But running it repeatedly didn't
cause any trouble.

Thanks

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem

Rusty's solution leaves you with a query hanging around, which might cause a
runtime error next time you run the process. Here is another way which
creates a query on the fly in one line, exports it and the gets rid of the
temporary query.


Dim strSQL As String
Dim qd As QueryDef
strSQL = "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail" ' plus you can add all the filter
statements you need here

CurrentDb.CreateQueryDef "zTemp", strSQL DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport,
acSpreadsheetTypeExcel9, "zTemp",  strFrontEndPath & "ExportedAuditTrail",
True DoCmd.DeleteObject acQuery, "zTemp" 


Lambert
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem

Dear List:

In the line:

    DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel9, strSQL,
strFrontEndPath & "ExportedAuditTrail", True


strSQL = "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail" where tblAuditTrail is a linked
table.

I get an error message The Microsoft Jet Database engine could not find the
object 'Select * FROM tblAuditTrail'.  

Can you not use a SQL statement as the query for export?

I can't put this into a query because the user can filter on several fields
so I build those filters into the SQL statement using
WHERE...AND...AND...etc.

MTIA

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Feb  3 13:31:17 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:31:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem
In-Reply-To: <082964C420334BFE8FA5C4DD5FDA3CEC@danwaters>
References: <CF00939926714A99916AB6DB30A1BD31@HAL9005>
	<082964C420334BFE8FA5C4DD5FDA3CEC@danwaters>
Message-ID: <044AF607AE0B487280B825AB3B25F631@HAL9005>

Dan:

Using     DoCmd.OpenQuery "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail"

I get the same error - can't find the object 'Select * FROM tblAuditTrail'

tblAuditTrail is definitely there with records in it.

Thanks

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem

Hi Rocky,

I had this same (or similar) issue once.  There is a known bug in Access
which will prevent an OutputTo method from working if the database is
running but has not yet opened any object (form, query, report).  See
KB244695.

I use an 'OutputTo' method instead of TransferSpreadsheet:

  DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryGlobalErrorsToDeveloper"
        
  DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputQuery, "qryGlobalErrorsToDeveloper", acFormatXLS,
stgClientPath

  DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryGlobalErrorsToDeveloper"

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem

Dear List:

In the line:

    DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel9, strSQL,
strFrontEndPath & "ExportedAuditTrail", True


strSQL = "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail" where tblAuditTrail is a linked
table.

I get an error message The Microsoft Jet Database engine could not find the
object 'Select * FROM tblAuditTrail'.  

Can you not use a SQL statement as the query for export?

I can't put this into a query because the user can filter on several fields
so I build those filters into the SQL statement using
WHERE...AND...AND...etc.

MTIA

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Feb  3 14:37:28 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:37:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
In-Reply-To: <4B69277C.4399.B6FA732@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4B69277C.4399.B6FA732@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <35E37DBC5D8A4A56853FA37F64235723@XPS>

<<I use an unbound parent "wrapper form" with all of the other forms as
first level children. The 
form also has a series of hidden text boxes which point to the PK in the
parent form. I use the  
textbox as the "Link Master Field" for the child form.>>

  That's the same thing I do (use a hidden control); got it out of the ADH
2.0 handbook.  Most miss the fact that a master link can be a control or a
field.

  So I put a hidden control on the main form, child form linking is normal,
then place the grandchild form on the main form and use the hidden control
as the master link.  Last piece is in the child forms OnCurrent event, I
update the hidden control on the parent. 

 With this, you can easily do a Main Form (Customers), Child Subform
(Orders), and Grandchild Subform (Line order detail).

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed

If you think about it, the parent can't finish loading until it's children
have loaded since they 
are in controls inside the parent.

I use an unbound parent "wrapper form" with all of the other forms as first
level children. The 
form also has a series of hidden text boxes which point to the PK in the
parent form. I use the  
textbox as the "Link Master Field" for the child form.

Most of the system I do these days use this method extensively.

As an example, tak a geographic system using a hierarchy of:
Province, District, LLG (Local Level Government Area), Ward with

tblProv = Prov_PK,Prov_Name....
tblDist = Dist_PK, Prov_FK, Dist_Name.......
tblLLG = LLG_PK, Dist_FK, LLG_Name...
tblWard = Ward_PK,LLG_FK,Ward_Name......

I create an unbound form frmMain with 4 child forms
frmProv, frmDist, frmLLG, frmWard.
I place the 4 child forms side by side on the parent form

I  create 3 hidden text boxes
txtProvLink  = [frmProv].[Form]![Prov_PK]
txtDistLink  = [frmDist].[Form]![Dist_PK]
txtLLGLink  = [frmLLG].[Form]![LLG_PK]

I  set up the child form dependencies as:
frmDist: Linked Master Field = txtProvLink, Linked Child Field = Prov_FK
frmLLG: Linked Master Field = txtDistLink, Linked Child Field = Dist_FK
frmWard: Linked Master Field = txtLLGLink, Linked Child Field = LLG_FK

This method completely solves your problem. A child form does not update
until the form 
above it has finished updating.

It also has a few other advantages:
allows you to have as many generations as you can fit on your screen
you can use any combination of  Single Form and Continuous Form  at the
various levels.
you can layout the screen in any way you want, you don't need child forms
completely 
embedded inside its parent.


-- 
Stuart


On 2 Feb 2010 at 23:54, jwcolby wrote:

> As you probably know by now, subforms load before parent forms, and their
current events fire before 
> the parent's current event.  It always puzzled me how they pull off this
trick, but they do.
> 
> Usually this is not a problem but it can be.  For example, the main form
has a "client" combo / 
> field.  The child form does not use or care about that.  The grandchild
form however needs that 
> value to filter a combo to only display records from a table for that
specific client.
> 
> In this case, it doesn't appear to work correctly.  The combo in the
grandchild form is always a 
> step behind the parent form, IOW if the parent displays client A, the
combo in the grandchild 
> displays whatever the parent had the PREVIOUS record.
> 
> So the current event of the main form fires last after all of the child /
grandchild forms load (and 
> their load / current events fire).  Logically, that current event of the
main form needs to reach 
> two levels down and tell that combo to requery itself.
> 
> What a PITA.
> 
> I actually built in to my framework collections of dependent child objects
so that I could tell a 
> form or a control on a form that "these objects are dependent on your
data" and call those objects 
> and requery them.  Of course I have to write code in the load event of the
form to set up the 
> dependent object hierarchy.
> 
> So how do YOU handle this kind of situation?
> 
> Curious minds want to know.
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Feb  3 14:59:13 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 14:59:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem
In-Reply-To: <044AF607AE0B487280B825AB3B25F631@HAL9005>
References: <CF00939926714A99916AB6DB30A1BD31@HAL9005><082964C420334BFE8FA5C4DD5FDA3CEC@danwaters>
	<044AF607AE0B487280B825AB3B25F631@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <84283CCFE05247B095CDB469D3A9599F@danwaters>

Good to know!  I guess my OutputTo works because it is using a query.

Dan 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem

Dan:

Using     DoCmd.OpenQuery "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail"

I get the same error - can't find the object 'Select * FROM tblAuditTrail'

tblAuditTrail is definitely there with records in it.

Thanks

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem

Hi Rocky,

I had this same (or similar) issue once.  There is a known bug in Access
which will prevent an OutputTo method from working if the database is
running but has not yet opened any object (form, query, report).  See
KB244695.

I use an 'OutputTo' method instead of TransferSpreadsheet:

  DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryGlobalErrorsToDeveloper"
        
  DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputQuery, "qryGlobalErrorsToDeveloper", acFormatXLS,
stgClientPath

  DoCmd.Close acQuery, "qryGlobalErrorsToDeveloper"

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreasheet Problem

Dear List:

In the line:

    DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel9, strSQL,
strFrontEndPath & "ExportedAuditTrail", True


strSQL = "Select * FROM tblAuditTrail" where tblAuditTrail is a linked
table.

I get an error message The Microsoft Jet Database engine could not find the
object 'Select * FROM tblAuditTrail'.  

Can you not use a SQL statement as the query for export?

I can't put this into a query because the user can filter on several fields
so I build those filters into the SQL statement using
WHERE...AND...AND...etc.

MTIA

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Feb  3 15:17:46 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:17:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
In-Reply-To: <35E37DBC5D8A4A56853FA37F64235723@XPS>
References: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4B69277C.4399.B6FA732@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<35E37DBC5D8A4A56853FA37F64235723@XPS>
Message-ID: <4B69E7FA.25609.E5F9825@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

There's no need for an OnCurrent event if you set the source of the hidden control to the PK 
of the recordset of its  parent form.

-- 
Stuart

On 3 Feb 2010 at 15:37, Jim Dettman wrote:
>   So I put a hidden control on the main form, child form linking is normal,
> then place the grandchild form on the main form and use the hidden control
> as the master link.  Last piece is in the child forms OnCurrent event, I
> update the hidden control on the parent. 
> 



From toddharpham at qb3net.com  Wed Feb  3 15:34:22 2010
From: toddharpham at qb3net.com (Todd Harpham)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 16:34:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD]  Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
Message-ID: <004e01caa518$a9b21960$fd164c20$@com>

Outlook 2003
No Newsgroups

Todd Harpham
 

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From Darryl.Collins at anz.com  Wed Feb  3 17:24:55 2010
From: Darryl.Collins at anz.com (Collins, Darryl)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:24:55 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E8101688E29@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>



Email:
Work: Outlook 2003
Personal: Yahoo Mail

NewGroups:
Don't use.
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 1:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the
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From bryan.fitzpatrick at cyberone.com.au  Thu Feb  4 01:20:42 2010
From: bryan.fitzpatrick at cyberone.com.au (Bryan Fitzpatrick)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:20:42 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <4B6A754A.40105@cyberone.com.au>

Thunderbird for email.  No newsgroups.

Cheers
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A.D. Tejpal wrote:
>     Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.
>
> Best wishes,
> A.D. Tejpal
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Thu Feb  4 02:31:43 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:31:43 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
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Message-ID: <00ce01caa574$7c50a610$74f1f230$@spb.ru>

Hi A.D.,

Emails:     MS Outlook 2007.
NewsGroups: NONE

Thank you.
--
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

    Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application
used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
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From adtp at airtelmail.in  Thu Feb  4 03:04:39 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:34:39 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
References: <sb69ad5c.061@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <006d01caa57b$8b9775c0$3701a8c0@adtpc>

Survey Results: Desktop Mail Clients (Non-Browser)
====================================

Email:  36 responses (Outlook: 28, Windows Live Mail: 3, Outlook Express: 2, Pegasus Mail: 1, Thunderbird: 1, GroupWise 6.5: 1)

News Groups:  6 responses (Outlook Express: 2, Thunderbird: 2, Outlook: 1, Windows Live Mail: 1)

With sincere thanks to all who responded,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

From adtp at airtelmail.in  Thu Feb  4 03:20:30 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:50:30 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
References: <sb69ad5c.061@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <006e01caa57b$8d2800d0$3701a8c0@adtpc>

Gustav,

    This survey was meant to facilitate choice of suitable desktop client in the context of eventual move from Win XP to Win 7.  As per the results reported in a separate post, office Outlook (OL) appears to be currently the most preferred choice amongst the respondents.

    At present I am using Outlook Express (OE) for handling emails as well as news groups. Archived messages spanning many years serve as a source for ready reference and quick search. In case of any new installation of operating system, all the old archives become readily available by setting the storage path for freshly installed OE to appropriate folders. Availability of multiple identities has proved very convenient in tracking postings related to different forums in an uncluttered manner. One can switch from one identity to another without having to close the application. Each identity ha its own storage folder, providing added flexibility.

    OE is no longer available on Win 7. Trying to use it on Win 7 via guest Win XP on virtual pc is also not found practicable as OE declines to accept shared folders for storage.    

    It is observed that on installations prior to Win 7, OL makes use of OE engine for accessing news groups. It appears that in case of Win 7, OL might have to depend upon Windows Live Mail (WLM) for this purpose.

    On Win 7, WLM is meant as a replacement for erstwhile OE. Neither WLM nor OL provides for multiple identities. However, WLM does offer separate Inboxes dedicated to each account. As compared to OL, WLM is a self contained application capable of handling emails as well as news groups.

    It is noticed that imports from OE to OL appear to distort dates of old stored messages. WLM is found capable of clean import from OE - identity-wise. Moreover, in case of WLM, the import can be conducted directly from individual storage folders of OE. This can be of helpful, as program to program import under Win 7 is liable to run into the hurdle that programs installed under earlier operating system won't be visible in Win 7.

    In view of the factors outlined above, if the choice for mail client were to be restricted to Windows or Office components, moving from OE to WLM would appear to be the convenient  approach.

    Members of this forum are welcome to offer their considered views.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 21:37
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  Hi A.D.

  Sooner or later you should reveal why you are researching this ...

  To confuse you, my colleagues use the desktop client when in the office and the web interface when at clients, and at home I use the client at my workstation, the web interface on the laptop, and (not so often) my mobile phone via a web access.

  /gustav


  >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 03-02-2010 06:43 >>>

    .. you are accessing web based services without using any desktop client ?

  Best wishes,
  A.D. Tejpal

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Feb  4 03:49:54 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:49:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
Message-ID: <sb6aa662.090@cactus.dk>

Hi A.D.

Thanks for the insight ans sharing your thoughts. 
I can't add much as I have zero experience with WLM and have no need to access newsgroups, neither have I used OE for anything else than some simple tests. 

/gustav


>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 04-02-2010 10:20 >>>
Gustav,

    This survey was meant to facilitate choice of suitable desktop client in the context of eventual move from Win XP to Win 7.  As per the results reported in a separate post, office Outlook (OL) appears to be currently the most preferred choice amongst the respondents.

    At present I am using Outlook Express (OE) for handling emails as well as news groups. Archived messages spanning many years serve as a source for ready reference and quick search. In case of any new installation of operating system, all the old archives become readily available by setting the storage path for freshly installed OE to appropriate folders. Availability of multiple identities has proved very convenient in tracking postings related to different forums in an uncluttered manner. One can switch from one identity to another without having to close the application. Each identity ha its own storage folder, providing added flexibility.

    OE is no longer available on Win 7. Trying to use it on Win 7 via guest Win XP on virtual pc is also not found practicable as OE declines to accept shared folders for storage.    

    It is observed that on installations prior to Win 7, OL makes use of OE engine for accessing news groups. It appears that in case of Win 7, OL might have to depend upon Windows Live Mail (WLM) for this purpose.

    On Win 7, WLM is meant as a replacement for erstwhile OE. Neither WLM nor OL provides for multiple identities. However, WLM does offer separate Inboxes dedicated to each account. As compared to OL, WLM is a self contained application capable of handling emails as well as news groups.

    It is noticed that imports from OE to OL appear to distort dates of old stored messages. WLM is found capable of clean import from OE - identity-wise. Moreover, in case of WLM, the import can be conducted directly from individual storage folders of OE. This can be of helpful, as program to program import under Win 7 is liable to run into the hurdle that programs installed under earlier operating system won't be visible in Win 7.

    In view of the factors outlined above, if the choice for mail client were to be restricted to Windows or Office components, moving from OE to WLM would appear to be the convenient  approach.

    Members of this forum are welcome to offer their considered views.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 21:37
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  Hi A.D.

  Sooner or later you should reveal why you are researching this ...

  To confuse you, my colleagues use the desktop client when in the office and the web interface when at clients, and at home I use the client at my workstation, the web interface on the laptop, and (not so often) my mobile phone via a web access.

  /gustav


  >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 03-02-2010 06:43 >>>

    .. you are accessing web based services without using any desktop client ?

  Best wishes,
  A.D. Tejpal




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Feb  4 08:51:01 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:51:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006e01caa57b$8d2800d0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <sb69ad5c.061@cactus.dk> <006e01caa57b$8d2800d0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <82B3EA38BBD449D4BAD1712F32A08A6E@HAL9005>

A.D.:

Could the results of the survey be skewed by the fact that the respondents
are Access developers and, like myself, use Outlook because of development
requirements?   

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Gustav,

    This survey was meant to facilitate choice of suitable desktop client in
the context of eventual move from Win XP to Win 7.  As per the results
reported in a separate post, office Outlook (OL) appears to be currently the
most preferred choice amongst the respondents.

    At present I am using Outlook Express (OE) for handling emails as well
as news groups. Archived messages spanning many years serve as a source for
ready reference and quick search. In case of any new installation of
operating system, all the old archives become readily available by setting
the storage path for freshly installed OE to appropriate folders.
Availability of multiple identities has proved very convenient in tracking
postings related to different forums in an uncluttered manner. One can
switch from one identity to another without having to close the application.
Each identity ha its own storage folder, providing added flexibility.

    OE is no longer available on Win 7. Trying to use it on Win 7 via guest
Win XP on virtual pc is also not found practicable as OE declines to accept
shared folders for storage.    

    It is observed that on installations prior to Win 7, OL makes use of OE
engine for accessing news groups. It appears that in case of Win 7, OL might
have to depend upon Windows Live Mail (WLM) for this purpose.

    On Win 7, WLM is meant as a replacement for erstwhile OE. Neither WLM
nor OL provides for multiple identities. However, WLM does offer separate
Inboxes dedicated to each account. As compared to OL, WLM is a self
contained application capable of handling emails as well as news groups.

    It is noticed that imports from OE to OL appear to distort dates of old
stored messages. WLM is found capable of clean import from OE -
identity-wise. Moreover, in case of WLM, the import can be conducted
directly from individual storage folders of OE. This can be of helpful, as
program to program import under Win 7 is liable to run into the hurdle that
programs installed under earlier operating system won't be visible in Win 7.

    In view of the factors outlined above, if the choice for mail client
were to be restricted to Windows or Office components, moving from OE to WLM
would appear to be the convenient  approach.

    Members of this forum are welcome to offer their considered views.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gustav Brock
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 21:37
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  Hi A.D.

  Sooner or later you should reveal why you are researching this ...

  To confuse you, my colleagues use the desktop client when in the office
and the web interface when at clients, and at home I use the client at my
workstation, the web interface on the laptop, and (not so often) my mobile
phone via a web access.

  /gustav


  >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 03-02-2010 06:43 >>>

    .. you are accessing web based services without using any desktop client
?

  Best wishes,
  A.D. Tejpal
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Feb  4 09:16:53 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:16:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups
 client
In-Reply-To: <82B3EA38BBD449D4BAD1712F32A08A6E@HAL9005>
References: <sb69ad5c.061@cactus.dk> <006e01caa57b$8d2800d0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
	<82B3EA38BBD449D4BAD1712F32A08A6E@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4B6AE4E5.2060202@colbyconsulting.com>

I develop for Outlook but I stopped using it for my own stuff because the process of moving 
everything related to outlook to a new machine is ... cumbersome tending toward impossible. 
Settings, signatures and the like are scattered to hell and back.

Thunderbird OTOH does most of what Outlook does and has a little widget that packages everything up 
into a file for transfer to a different machine.

I just got tired of losing half my stuff when I moved from one laptop to another.  Microsoft doesn't 
seem to care if I lose my stuff, they make (made) no effort to make the move easy.  Screw em'.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Rocky Smolin wrote:
> A.D.:
> 
> Could the results of the survey be skewed by the fact that the respondents
> are Access developers and, like myself, use Outlook because of development
> requirements?   
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
> 
> Gustav,
> 
>     This survey was meant to facilitate choice of suitable desktop client in
> the context of eventual move from Win XP to Win 7.  As per the results
> reported in a separate post, office Outlook (OL) appears to be currently the
> most preferred choice amongst the respondents.
> 
>     At present I am using Outlook Express (OE) for handling emails as well
> as news groups. Archived messages spanning many years serve as a source for
> ready reference and quick search. In case of any new installation of
> operating system, all the old archives become readily available by setting
> the storage path for freshly installed OE to appropriate folders.
> Availability of multiple identities has proved very convenient in tracking
> postings related to different forums in an uncluttered manner. One can
> switch from one identity to another without having to close the application.
> Each identity ha its own storage folder, providing added flexibility.
> 
>     OE is no longer available on Win 7. Trying to use it on Win 7 via guest
> Win XP on virtual pc is also not found practicable as OE declines to accept
> shared folders for storage.    
> 
>     It is observed that on installations prior to Win 7, OL makes use of OE
> engine for accessing news groups. It appears that in case of Win 7, OL might
> have to depend upon Windows Live Mail (WLM) for this purpose.
> 
>     On Win 7, WLM is meant as a replacement for erstwhile OE. Neither WLM
> nor OL provides for multiple identities. However, WLM does offer separate
> Inboxes dedicated to each account. As compared to OL, WLM is a self
> contained application capable of handling emails as well as news groups.
> 
>     It is noticed that imports from OE to OL appear to distort dates of old
> stored messages. WLM is found capable of clean import from OE -
> identity-wise. Moreover, in case of WLM, the import can be conducted
> directly from individual storage folders of OE. This can be of helpful, as
> program to program import under Win 7 is liable to run into the hurdle that
> programs installed under earlier operating system won't be visible in Win 7.
> 
>     In view of the factors outlined above, if the choice for mail client
> were to be restricted to Windows or Office components, moving from OE to WLM
> would appear to be the convenient  approach.
> 
>     Members of this forum are welcome to offer their considered views.
> 
> Best wishes,
> A.D. Tejpal
> ------------
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Gustav Brock
>   To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 21:37
>   Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
> 
> 
>   Hi A.D.
> 
>   Sooner or later you should reveal why you are researching this ...
> 
>   To confuse you, my colleagues use the desktop client when in the office
> and the web interface when at clients, and at home I use the client at my
> workstation, the web interface on the laptop, and (not so often) my mobile
> phone via a web access.
> 
>   /gustav
> 
> 
>   >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 03-02-2010 06:43 >>>
> 
>     .. you are accessing web based services without using any desktop client
> ?
> 
>   Best wishes,
>   A.D. Tejpal
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Feb  4 11:20:53 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:20:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006e01caa57b$8d2800d0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <sb69ad5c.061@cactus.dk> <006e01caa57b$8d2800d0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <17D00350DE3C4B5CB90832F3B51BBE82@jislaptopdev>

AD

I've used a hot-mail account for the longest time and always used OE as my 
client. MS changed Hot Mail so that it was no longer compatible with OE and 
refused to upgrade OE. That left me with a choice in MS mail platforms of 
Live Mail or Outlook. After trying both, I chose LM for the same reasons 
you've outlined here. I find it fast, convenient, accessible, and so far 
compatible with all my needs.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "A.D. Tejpal" <adtp at airtelmail.in>
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:20 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

> Gustav,
>
>    This survey was meant to facilitate choice of suitable desktop client 
> in the context of eventual move from Win XP to Win 7.  As per the results 
> reported in a separate post, office Outlook (OL) appears to be currently 
> the most preferred choice amongst the respondents.
>
>    At present I am using Outlook Express (OE) for handling emails as well 
> as news groups. Archived messages spanning many years serve as a source 
> for ready reference and quick search. In case of any new installation of 
> operating system, all the old archives become readily available by setting 
> the storage path for freshly installed OE to appropriate folders. 
> Availability of multiple identities has proved very convenient in tracking 
> postings related to different forums in an uncluttered manner. One can 
> switch from one identity to another without having to close the 
> application. Each identity ha its own storage folder, providing added 
> flexibility.
>
>    OE is no longer available on Win 7. Trying to use it on Win 7 via guest 
> Win XP on virtual pc is also not found practicable as OE declines to 
> accept shared folders for storage.
>
>    It is observed that on installations prior to Win 7, OL makes use of OE 
> engine for accessing news groups. It appears that in case of Win 7, OL 
> might have to depend upon Windows Live Mail (WLM) for this purpose.
>
>    On Win 7, WLM is meant as a replacement for erstwhile OE. Neither WLM 
> nor OL provides for multiple identities. However, WLM does offer separate 
> Inboxes dedicated to each account. As compared to OL, WLM is a self 
> contained application capable of handling emails as well as news groups.
>
>    It is noticed that imports from OE to OL appear to distort dates of old 
> stored messages. WLM is found capable of clean import from OE - 
> identity-wise. Moreover, in case of WLM, the import can be conducted 
> directly from individual storage folders of OE. This can be of helpful, as 
> program to program import under Win 7 is liable to run into the hurdle 
> that programs installed under earlier operating system won't be visible in 
> Win 7.
>
>    In view of the factors outlined above, if the choice for mail client 
> were to be restricted to Windows or Office components, moving from OE to 
> WLM would appear to be the convenient  approach.
>
>    Members of this forum are welcome to offer their considered views.
>
> Best wishes,
> A.D. Tejpal
> ------------
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Gustav Brock
>  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 21:37
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
>
>
>  Hi A.D.
>
>  Sooner or later you should reveal why you are researching this ...
>
>  To confuse you, my colleagues use the desktop client when in the office 
> and the web interface when at clients, and at home I use the client at my 
> workstation, the web interface on the laptop, and (not so often) my mobile 
> phone via a web access.
>
>  /gustav
>
>
>  >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 03-02-2010 06:43 >>>
>
>    .. you are accessing web based services without using any desktop 
> client ?
>
>  Best wishes,
>  A.D. Tejpal
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Feb  4 11:25:42 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:25:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups
	client
In-Reply-To: <4B6AE4E5.2060202@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sb69ad5c.061@cactus.dk>
	<006e01caa57b$8d2800d0$3701a8c0@adtpc><82B3EA38BBD449D4BAD1712F32A08A6E@HAL9005>
	<4B6AE4E5.2060202@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <D37B21363537428D94D42CF079AA44C9@jislaptopdev>

jc

...I moved from OE to LM without a glitch ...LM installed, found my OE 
directories, both mail and newsgroups, and imported them all seamlessly 
...the only thing I had to do was add back in my folder rules for receiving 
mail ...I have to admit that I was surprised at just how well it worked 
...MS did their homework on LM.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:16 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups 
client

> I develop for Outlook but I stopped using it for my own stuff because the 
> process of moving
> everything related to outlook to a new machine is ... cumbersome tending 
> toward impossible.
> Settings, signatures and the like are scattered to hell and back.
>
> Thunderbird OTOH does most of what Outlook does and has a little widget 
> that packages everything up
> into a file for transfer to a different machine.
>
> I just got tired of losing half my stuff when I moved from one laptop to 
> another.  Microsoft doesn't
> seem to care if I lose my stuff, they make (made) no effort to make the 
> move easy.  Screw em'.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> A.D.:
>>
>> Could the results of the survey be skewed by the fact that the 
>> respondents
>> are Access developers and, like myself, use Outlook because of 
>> development
>> requirements?
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:21 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
>>
>> Gustav,
>>
>>     This survey was meant to facilitate choice of suitable desktop client 
>> in
>> the context of eventual move from Win XP to Win 7.  As per the results
>> reported in a separate post, office Outlook (OL) appears to be currently 
>> the
>> most preferred choice amongst the respondents.
>>
>>     At present I am using Outlook Express (OE) for handling emails as 
>> well
>> as news groups. Archived messages spanning many years serve as a source 
>> for
>> ready reference and quick search. In case of any new installation of
>> operating system, all the old archives become readily available by 
>> setting
>> the storage path for freshly installed OE to appropriate folders.
>> Availability of multiple identities has proved very convenient in 
>> tracking
>> postings related to different forums in an uncluttered manner. One can
>> switch from one identity to another without having to close the 
>> application.
>> Each identity ha its own storage folder, providing added flexibility.
>>
>>     OE is no longer available on Win 7. Trying to use it on Win 7 via 
>> guest
>> Win XP on virtual pc is also not found practicable as OE declines to 
>> accept
>> shared folders for storage.
>>
>>     It is observed that on installations prior to Win 7, OL makes use of 
>> OE
>> engine for accessing news groups. It appears that in case of Win 7, OL 
>> might
>> have to depend upon Windows Live Mail (WLM) for this purpose.
>>
>>     On Win 7, WLM is meant as a replacement for erstwhile OE. Neither WLM
>> nor OL provides for multiple identities. However, WLM does offer separate
>> Inboxes dedicated to each account. As compared to OL, WLM is a self
>> contained application capable of handling emails as well as news groups.
>>
>>     It is noticed that imports from OE to OL appear to distort dates of 
>> old
>> stored messages. WLM is found capable of clean import from OE -
>> identity-wise. Moreover, in case of WLM, the import can be conducted
>> directly from individual storage folders of OE. This can be of helpful, 
>> as
>> program to program import under Win 7 is liable to run into the hurdle 
>> that
>> programs installed under earlier operating system won't be visible in Win 
>> 7.
>>
>>     In view of the factors outlined above, if the choice for mail client
>> were to be restricted to Windows or Office components, moving from OE to 
>> WLM
>> would appear to be the convenient  approach.
>>
>>     Members of this forum are welcome to offer their considered views.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> A.D. Tejpal
>> ------------
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Gustav Brock
>>   To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>   Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 21:37
>>   Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
>>
>>
>>   Hi A.D.
>>
>>   Sooner or later you should reveal why you are researching this ...
>>
>>   To confuse you, my colleagues use the desktop client when in the office
>> and the web interface when at clients, and at home I use the client at my
>> workstation, the web interface on the laptop, and (not so often) my 
>> mobile
>> phone via a web access.
>>
>>   /gustav
>>
>>
>>   >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 03-02-2010 06:43 >>>
>>
>>     .. you are accessing web based services without using any desktop 
>> client
>> ?
>>
>>   Best wishes,
>>   A.D. Tejpal
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From adtp at airtelmail.in  Thu Feb  4 22:50:11 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:20:11 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
References: <sb69ad5c.061@cactus.dk> <006e01caa57b$8d2800d0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
	<82B3EA38BBD449D4BAD1712F32A08A6E@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000001caa63a$5ed9b380$3701a8c0@adtpc>

Rocky,

    I agree with you. That looks to be very likely.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 20:21
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  A.D.:

  Could the results of the survey be skewed by the fact that the respondents
  are Access developers and, like myself, use Outlook because of development
  requirements?   

  Rocky


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
  Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:21 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

  Gustav,

      This survey was meant to facilitate choice of suitable desktop client in
  the context of eventual move from Win XP to Win 7.  As per the results
  reported in a separate post, office Outlook (OL) appears to be currently the
  most preferred choice amongst the respondents.

      At present I am using Outlook Express (OE) for handling emails as well
  as news groups. Archived messages spanning many years serve as a source for
  ready reference and quick search. In case of any new installation of
  operating system, all the old archives become readily available by setting
  the storage path for freshly installed OE to appropriate folders.
  Availability of multiple identities has proved very convenient in tracking
  postings related to different forums in an uncluttered manner. One can
  switch from one identity to another without having to close the application.
  Each identity ha its own storage folder, providing added flexibility.

      OE is no longer available on Win 7. Trying to use it on Win 7 via guest
  Win XP on virtual pc is also not found practicable as OE declines to accept
  shared folders for storage.    

      It is observed that on installations prior to Win 7, OL makes use of OE
  engine for accessing news groups. It appears that in case of Win 7, OL might
  have to depend upon Windows Live Mail (WLM) for this purpose.

      On Win 7, WLM is meant as a replacement for erstwhile OE. Neither WLM
  nor OL provides for multiple identities. However, WLM does offer separate
  Inboxes dedicated to each account. As compared to OL, WLM is a self
  contained application capable of handling emails as well as news groups.

      It is noticed that imports from OE to OL appear to distort dates of old
  stored messages. WLM is found capable of clean import from OE -
  identity-wise. Moreover, in case of WLM, the import can be conducted
  directly from individual storage folders of OE. This can be of helpful, as
  program to program import under Win 7 is liable to run into the hurdle that
  programs installed under earlier operating system won't be visible in Win 7.

      In view of the factors outlined above, if the choice for mail client
  were to be restricted to Windows or Office components, moving from OE to WLM
  would appear to be the convenient  approach.

      Members of this forum are welcome to offer their considered views.

  Best wishes,
  A.D. Tejpal
  ------------

From adtp at airtelmail.in  Fri Feb  5 02:39:49 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:09:49 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
References: <sb69ad5c.061@cactus.dk> <006e01caa57b$8d2800d0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
	<17D00350DE3C4B5CB90832F3B51BBE82@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <007001caa63e$f54dcbe0$3701a8c0@adtpc>

William,

    Thanks for the kind confirmation. One factor that militates against adoption of third party mail client is that if the owning company happens to discontinue the product or fails to bring out matching upgrade suiting future versions of Windows, it can pose a problem in retrieving archived messages stored under the said application.

    Apparently WLM is missing one of the nice features of OE, namely -  hot key navigation. For example, in case of OE, pressing any key in the Copy or Move dialog box (or directly in the folders pane) takes you to the next folder where the name starts with the given character.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 22:50
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  AD

  I've used a hot-mail account for the longest time and always used OE as my 
  client. MS changed Hot Mail so that it was no longer compatible with OE and 
  refused to upgrade OE. That left me with a choice in MS mail platforms of 
  Live Mail or Outlook. After trying both, I chose LM for the same reasons 
  you've outlined here. I find it fast, convenient, accessible, and so far 
  compatible with all my needs.

  William

  --------------------------------------------------
  From: "A.D. Tejpal" <adtp at airtelmail.in>
  Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:20 AM
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

  > Gustav,
  >
  >    This survey was meant to facilitate choice of suitable desktop client 
  > in the context of eventual move from Win XP to Win 7.  As per the results 
  > reported in a separate post, office Outlook (OL) appears to be currently 
  > the most preferred choice amongst the respondents.
  >
  >    At present I am using Outlook Express (OE) for handling emails as well 
  > as news groups. Archived messages spanning many years serve as a source 
  > for ready reference and quick search. In case of any new installation of 
  > operating system, all the old archives become readily available by setting 
  > the storage path for freshly installed OE to appropriate folders. 
  > Availability of multiple identities has proved very convenient in tracking 
  > postings related to different forums in an uncluttered manner. One can 
  > switch from one identity to another without having to close the 
  > application. Each identity ha its own storage folder, providing added 
  > flexibility.
  >
  >    OE is no longer available on Win 7. Trying to use it on Win 7 via guest 
  > Win XP on virtual pc is also not found practicable as OE declines to 
  > accept shared folders for storage.
  >
  >    It is observed that on installations prior to Win 7, OL makes use of OE 
  > engine for accessing news groups. It appears that in case of Win 7, OL 
  > might have to depend upon Windows Live Mail (WLM) for this purpose.
  >
  >    On Win 7, WLM is meant as a replacement for erstwhile OE. Neither WLM 
  > nor OL provides for multiple identities. However, WLM does offer separate 
  > Inboxes dedicated to each account. As compared to OL, WLM is a self 
  > contained application capable of handling emails as well as news groups.
  >
  >    It is noticed that imports from OE to OL appear to distort dates of old 
  > stored messages. WLM is found capable of clean import from OE - 
  > identity-wise. Moreover, in case of WLM, the import can be conducted 
  > directly from individual storage folders of OE. This can be of helpful, as 
  > program to program import under Win 7 is liable to run into the hurdle 
  > that programs installed under earlier operating system won't be visible in 
  > Win 7.
  >
  >    In view of the factors outlined above, if the choice for mail client 
  > were to be restricted to Windows or Office components, moving from OE to 
  > WLM would appear to be the convenient  approach.
  >
  >    Members of this forum are welcome to offer their considered views.
  >
  > Best wishes,
  > A.D. Tejpal
  > ------------

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb  5 02:54:17 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:54:17 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
Message-ID: <sb6beaec.016@cactus.dk>

Hi A.D.

At most mail hosts - at least at GMail - you can set up the account to forward each and every mail to another e-mail address to suite your demand for backup. This could be one at a competing provider.
At GMail you can create accounts as you go - every time your archived mail volume exceeds 7 GB, open another account and redirect the forwarded mail to this.

For the free web accessed mail services, don't expect everything; there is a reason why they are free.

/gustav


>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 09:39 >>>
William,

    Thanks for the kind confirmation. One factor that militates against adoption of third party mail client is that if the owning company happens to discontinue the product or fails to bring out matching upgrade suiting future versions of Windows, it can pose a problem in retrieving archived messages stored under the said application.

    Apparently WLM is missing one of the nice features of OE, namely -  hot key navigation. For example, in case of OE, pressing any key in the Copy or Move dialog box (or directly in the folders pane) takes you to the next folder where the name starts with the given character.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 22:50
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  AD

  I've used a hot-mail account for the longest time and always used OE as my 
  client. MS changed Hot Mail so that it was no longer compatible with OE and 
  refused to upgrade OE. That left me with a choice in MS mail platforms of 
  Live Mail or Outlook. After trying both, I chose LM for the same reasons 
  you've outlined here. I find it fast, convenient, accessible, and so far 
  compatible with all my needs.

  William




From adtp at airtelmail.in  Fri Feb  5 06:55:55 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:25:55 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
References: <sb6beaec.016@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <005501caa662$c14b64f0$3701a8c0@adtpc>

Gustav,

    Would it meet the requirement that all back up is physically stored on my hard disk, retrievable as needed, even if Google were to shut down all their servers ? 

    Underlying objective:
    ==============
    Archived messages should be in my absolute physical possession. For accessing these, there must be no scope for being held hostage to any third party's resources / performance / status / fate. (Confining our dependence in this respect to one entity i.e. Microsoft)

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 14:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  Hi A.D.

  At most mail hosts - at least at GMail - you can set up the account to forward each and every mail to another e-mail address to suite your demand for backup. This could be one at a competing provider.
  At GMail you can create accounts as you go - every time your archived mail volume exceeds 7 GB, open another account and redirect the forwarded mail to this.

  For the free web accessed mail services, don't expect everything; there is a reason why they are free.

  /gustav


  >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 09:39 >>>
  William,

      Thanks for the kind confirmation. One factor that militates against adoption of third party mail client is that if the owning company happens to discontinue the product or fails to bring out matching upgrade suiting future versions of Windows, it can pose a problem in retrieving archived messages stored under the said application.

      Apparently WLM is missing one of the nice features of OE, namely -  hot key navigation. For example, in case of OE, pressing any key in the Copy or Move dialog box (or directly in the folders pane) takes you to the next folder where the name starts with the given character.

  Best wishes,
  A.D. Tejpal
  ------------

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb  5 08:50:32 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:50:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
Message-ID: <sb6c3e66.032@cactus.dk>

Hi A.D.

Yes. Two or more remote storages aren't of much use if your line is down. If that situation is unacceptable, on-site storage must be established.
You can either run your own mail server - it's not that difficult and several free options are offered:

 - hMailServer: http://www.hmailserver.com
 - SmarterMail: http://www.smartertools.com/SmarterMail 
 - Mercury: http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercury.htm 

all of which can by themselves pull mail via POP and/or IMAP from a remote server - or you could use a tool like ImapSize to pull all e-mails via IMAP to a local directory/file structure:

  http://www.broobles.com/imapsize/index.php 

Further, clients exist that have features for this purpose, some at a (fair) cost like The Bat:

  http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/index.php 

/gustav


>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 13:55 >>>
Gustav,

    Would it meet the requirement that all back up is physically stored on my hard disk, retrievable as needed, even if Google were to shut down all their servers ? 

    Underlying objective:
    ==============
    Archived messages should be in my absolute physical possession. For accessing these, there must be no scope for being held hostage to any third party's resources / performance / status / fate. (Confining our dependence in this respect to one entity i.e. Microsoft)

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 14:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  Hi A.D.

  At most mail hosts - at least at GMail - you can set up the account to forward each and every mail to another e-mail address to suite your demand for backup. This could be one at a competing provider.
  At GMail you can create accounts as you go - every time your archived mail volume exceeds 7 GB, open another account and redirect the forwarded mail to this.

  For the free web accessed mail services, don't expect everything; there is a reason why they are free.

  /gustav


  >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 09:39 >>>
  William,

      Thanks for the kind confirmation. One factor that militates against adoption of third party mail client is that if the owning company happens to discontinue the product or fails to bring out matching upgrade suiting future versions of Windows, it can pose a problem in retrieving archived messages stored under the said application.

      Apparently WLM is missing one of the nice features of OE, namely -  hot key navigation. For example, in case of OE, pressing any key in the Copy or Move dialog box (or directly in the folders pane) takes you to the next folder where the name starts with the given character.

  Best wishes,
  A.D. Tejpal





From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 09:08:07 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:08:07 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <sb6c3e66.032@cactus.dk>
References: <sb6c3e66.032@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4b6c349a.1c05d00a.1dba.3108@mx.google.com>

Gustav,

Or you could have an  amalgamation of your ideas.
1. have gmail send copies to another gmail server.
2. set up   another client on the  pc.
3. set the other  client to download from the second  gmail account.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 05 February 2010 14:51
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Hi A.D.

Yes. Two or more remote storages aren't of much use if your line is down. If
that situation is unacceptable, on-site storage must be established.
You can either run your own mail server - it's not that difficult and
several free options are offered:

 - hMailServer: http://www.hmailserver.com
 - SmarterMail: http://www.smartertools.com/SmarterMail 
 - Mercury: http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercury.htm 

all of which can by themselves pull mail via POP and/or IMAP from a remote
server - or you could use a tool like ImapSize to pull all e-mails via IMAP
to a local directory/file structure:

  http://www.broobles.com/imapsize/index.php 

Further, clients exist that have features for this purpose, some at a (fair)
cost like The Bat:

  http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/index.php 

/gustav


>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 13:55 >>>
Gustav,

    Would it meet the requirement that all back up is physically stored on
my hard disk, retrievable as needed, even if Google were to shut down all
their servers ? 

    Underlying objective:
    ==============
    Archived messages should be in my absolute physical possession. For
accessing these, there must be no scope for being held hostage to any third
party's resources / performance / status / fate. (Confining our dependence
in this respect to one entity i.e. Microsoft)

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 14:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  Hi A.D.

  At most mail hosts - at least at GMail - you can set up the account to
forward each and every mail to another e-mail address to suite your demand
for backup. This could be one at a competing provider.
  At GMail you can create accounts as you go - every time your archived mail
volume exceeds 7 GB, open another account and redirect the forwarded mail to
this.

  For the free web accessed mail services, don't expect everything; there is
a reason why they are free.

  /gustav


  >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 09:39 >>>
  William,

      Thanks for the kind confirmation. One factor that militates against
adoption of third party mail client is that if the owning company happens to
discontinue the product or fails to bring out matching upgrade suiting
future versions of Windows, it can pose a problem in retrieving archived
messages stored under the said application.

      Apparently WLM is missing one of the nice features of OE, namely -
hot key navigation. For example, in case of OE, pressing any key in the Copy
or Move dialog box (or directly in the folders pane) takes you to the next
folder where the name starts with the given character.

  Best wishes,
  A.D. Tejpal



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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Feb  5 09:40:22 2010
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:40:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT Joke: Perfect husband
Message-ID: <005b01caa679$8bd5d1e0$a38175a0$@net>

Several men are in the locker room of a golf club. A mobile phone on a bench
rings and a man engages the hands free speaker function and begins to talk.
Everyone else in the room stops to listen.?
?
MAN: 'Hello'?

WOMAN: 'Honey, it's me. Are you at the club?'?

MAN: 'Yes'?

WOMAN: 'I am at the shops now and found this beautiful leather coat. It's
only??$2,000. Is it OK if I buy it?'?

MAN: 'Sure, go ahead if you like it that much.'

WOMAN: 'I also stopped by the?Lexus?dealership and saw the new Models. I saw
one I really liked.'

MAN: 'How much?'?

WOMAN: '$90,000'

MAN: 'OK, but for that price I want it with all the options.'?

WOMAN: 'Great! Oh, and one more thing...the house I wanted last year is back
on the market. They're asking?$980,000'?

MAN: 'Well, then go ahead and give them an offer of??$??900,000. They will
probably take it. If not, we can go the extra 80 thousand if it's really?a
pretty good deal.'?

WOMAN: 'OK. I'll see you later! I love you so much!'

MAN: 'Bye! I love you, too.'?

The man hangs up. The other men in the locker room are staring at him
in?astonishment, mouths agape.?

He turns and asks: 'Anyone know who this phone belongs to?'




From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Feb  5 09:49:45 2010
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:49:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT Joke: Perfect husband
References: <005b01caa679$8bd5d1e0$a38175a0$@net>
Message-ID: <1098DA4EB7644E608F308CDBD4612861@Mattys>

Thanks, John!
That was a really good laugh!
-
Michael R Mattys
Business Process Developers
www.mattysconsulting.com
-

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "_DBA-OT" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>; "'Access Developers discussion 
and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT Joke: Perfect husband



From jm.hwsn at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 09:59:43 2010
From: jm.hwsn at gmail.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:59:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT:  Only A Mother Would Know!!
Message-ID: <4b6c40c5.5644f10a.068a.6684@mx.google.com>

Remember this!!!


Don't be fooled when the new grandbaby brings you a cup of tea!


ONLY A MOTHER WOULD KNOW...

Cup of Tea ~
One day my mother was out, and my dad was in charge of me.
I was maybe 2 1/2 years old. Someone had given me a little 'tea set' as a
gift, and it was one of my favorite toys.
Daddy was in the living room engrossed in the evening news when I brought
Daddy a little cup of 'tea', which was just water. After several cups of tea
and lots of praise for such yummy tea, my Mom came home.
My Dad made her wait in the living room to watch me bring him a cup of tea,
because it was 'just the cutest thing!' My Mom waited, and sure enough, here
I came down the hall with a cup of tea for Daddy; and she watched him drink
it up.
Then she said, (as only a mother would know), "'Did it ever occur to you
that the only place she can reach to get water is the toilet?"






From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb  5 10:22:14 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:22:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
Message-ID: <sb6c53df.034@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

Yes, but that would introduce a "Single Point of Failure" if GMail goes down.

Many variations are possible. One determine factor is how paranoid you are.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 05-02-2010 16:08 >>>
Gustav,

Or you could have an  amalgamation of your ideas.
1. have gmail send copies to another gmail server.
2. set up   another client on the  pc.
3. set the other  client to download from the second  gmail account.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 05 February 2010 14:51
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Hi A.D.

Yes. Two or more remote storages aren't of much use if your line is down. If
that situation is unacceptable, on-site storage must be established.
You can either run your own mail server - it's not that difficult and
several free options are offered:

 - hMailServer: http://www.hmailserver.com 
 - SmarterMail: http://www.smartertools.com/SmarterMail 
 - Mercury: http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercury.htm 

all of which can by themselves pull mail via POP and/or IMAP from a remote
server - or you could use a tool like ImapSize to pull all e-mails via IMAP
to a local directory/file structure:

  http://www.broobles.com/imapsize/index.php 

Further, clients exist that have features for this purpose, some at a (fair)
cost like The Bat:

  http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/index.php 

/gustav


>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 13:55 >>>
Gustav,

    Would it meet the requirement that all back up is physically stored on
my hard disk, retrievable as needed, even if Google were to shut down all
their servers ? 

    Underlying objective:
    ==============
    Archived messages should be in my absolute physical possession. For
accessing these, there must be no scope for being held hostage to any third
party's resources / performance / status / fate. (Confining our dependence
in this respect to one entity i.e. Microsoft)

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 14:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  Hi A.D.

  At most mail hosts - at least at GMail - you can set up the account to
forward each and every mail to another e-mail address to suite your demand
for backup. This could be one at a competing provider.
  At GMail you can create accounts as you go - every time your archived mail
volume exceeds 7 GB, open another account and redirect the forwarded mail to
this.

  For the free web accessed mail services, don't expect everything; there is
a reason why they are free.

  /gustav


  >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 09:39 >>>
  William,

      Thanks for the kind confirmation. One factor that militates against
adoption of third party mail client is that if the owning company happens to
discontinue the product or fails to bring out matching upgrade suiting
future versions of Windows, it can pose a problem in retrieving archived
messages stored under the said application.

      Apparently WLM is missing one of the nice features of OE, namely -
hot key navigation. For example, in case of OE, pressing any key in the Copy
or Move dialog box (or directly in the folders pane) takes you to the next
folder where the name starts with the given character.

  Best wishes,
  A.D. Tejpal




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 10:27:05 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:27:05 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <sb6c53df.034@cactus.dk>
References: <sb6c53df.034@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4b6c46e0.1c07d00a.3c43.6a66@mx.google.com>

I am not paranoid at all.

I cannot help it if they are all out to get me....

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 05 February 2010 16:22
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Hi Max

Yes, but that would introduce a "Single Point of Failure" if GMail goes
down.

Many variations are possible. One determine factor is how paranoid you are.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 05-02-2010 16:08 >>>
Gustav,

Or you could have an  amalgamation of your ideas.
1. have gmail send copies to another gmail server.
2. set up   another client on the  pc.
3. set the other  client to download from the second  gmail account.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 05 February 2010 14:51
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Hi A.D.

Yes. Two or more remote storages aren't of much use if your line is down. If
that situation is unacceptable, on-site storage must be established.
You can either run your own mail server - it's not that difficult and
several free options are offered:

 - hMailServer: http://www.hmailserver.com 
 - SmarterMail: http://www.smartertools.com/SmarterMail 
 - Mercury: http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercury.htm 

all of which can by themselves pull mail via POP and/or IMAP from a remote
server - or you could use a tool like ImapSize to pull all e-mails via IMAP
to a local directory/file structure:

  http://www.broobles.com/imapsize/index.php 

Further, clients exist that have features for this purpose, some at a (fair)
cost like The Bat:

  http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/index.php 

/gustav


>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 13:55 >>>
Gustav,

    Would it meet the requirement that all back up is physically stored on
my hard disk, retrievable as needed, even if Google were to shut down all
their servers ? 

    Underlying objective:
    ==============
    Archived messages should be in my absolute physical possession. For
accessing these, there must be no scope for being held hostage to any third
party's resources / performance / status / fate. (Confining our dependence
in this respect to one entity i.e. Microsoft)

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 14:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  Hi A.D.

  At most mail hosts - at least at GMail - you can set up the account to
forward each and every mail to another e-mail address to suite your demand
for backup. This could be one at a competing provider.
  At GMail you can create accounts as you go - every time your archived mail
volume exceeds 7 GB, open another account and redirect the forwarded mail to
this.

  For the free web accessed mail services, don't expect everything; there is
a reason why they are free.

  /gustav


  >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 09:39 >>>
  William,

      Thanks for the kind confirmation. One factor that militates against
adoption of third party mail client is that if the owning company happens to
discontinue the product or fails to bring out matching upgrade suiting
future versions of Windows, it can pose a problem in retrieving archived
messages stored under the said application.

      Apparently WLM is missing one of the nice features of OE, namely -
hot key navigation. For example, in case of OE, pressing any key in the Copy
or Move dialog box (or directly in the folders pane) takes you to the next
folder where the name starts with the given character.

  Best wishes,
  A.D. Tejpal


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 10:32:25 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:32:25 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <sb6c53df.034@cactus.dk>
References: <sb6c53df.034@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4b6c4820.1818d00a.0508.2e79@mx.google.com>

As would a single PC, no?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 05 February 2010 16:22
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Hi Max

Yes, but that would introduce a "Single Point of Failure" if GMail goes
down.

Many variations are possible. One determine factor is how paranoid you are.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 05-02-2010 16:08 >>>
Gustav,

Or you could have an  amalgamation of your ideas.
1. have gmail send copies to another gmail server.
2. set up   another client on the  pc.
3. set the other  client to download from the second  gmail account.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 05 February 2010 14:51
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Hi A.D.

Yes. Two or more remote storages aren't of much use if your line is down. If
that situation is unacceptable, on-site storage must be established.
You can either run your own mail server - it's not that difficult and
several free options are offered:

 - hMailServer: http://www.hmailserver.com 
 - SmarterMail: http://www.smartertools.com/SmarterMail 
 - Mercury: http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercury.htm 

all of which can by themselves pull mail via POP and/or IMAP from a remote
server - or you could use a tool like ImapSize to pull all e-mails via IMAP
to a local directory/file structure:

  http://www.broobles.com/imapsize/index.php 

Further, clients exist that have features for this purpose, some at a (fair)
cost like The Bat:

  http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/index.php 

/gustav


>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 13:55 >>>
Gustav,

    Would it meet the requirement that all back up is physically stored on
my hard disk, retrievable as needed, even if Google were to shut down all
their servers ? 

    Underlying objective:
    ==============
    Archived messages should be in my absolute physical possession. For
accessing these, there must be no scope for being held hostage to any third
party's resources / performance / status / fate. (Confining our dependence
in this respect to one entity i.e. Microsoft)

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 14:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  Hi A.D.

  At most mail hosts - at least at GMail - you can set up the account to
forward each and every mail to another e-mail address to suite your demand
for backup. This could be one at a competing provider.
  At GMail you can create accounts as you go - every time your archived mail
volume exceeds 7 GB, open another account and redirect the forwarded mail to
this.

  For the free web accessed mail services, don't expect everything; there is
a reason why they are free.

  /gustav


  >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 09:39 >>>
  William,

      Thanks for the kind confirmation. One factor that militates against
adoption of third party mail client is that if the owning company happens to
discontinue the product or fails to bring out matching upgrade suiting
future versions of Windows, it can pose a problem in retrieving archived
messages stored under the said application.

      Apparently WLM is missing one of the nice features of OE, namely -
hot key navigation. For example, in case of OE, pressing any key in the Copy
or Move dialog box (or directly in the folders pane) takes you to the next
folder where the name starts with the given character.

  Best wishes,
  A.D. Tejpal


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb  5 10:43:44 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:43:44 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
Message-ID: <sb6c58ec.038@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

Not a single pc - that could be replaced quite easily - but a single harddisk without backup would. Except if you mail are archived somewhere else, of course, like Live Mail.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 05-02-2010 17:32 >>>
As would a single PC, no?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 05 February 2010 16:22
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Hi Max

Yes, but that would introduce a "Single Point of Failure" if GMail goes
down.

Many variations are possible. One determine factor is how paranoid you are.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 05-02-2010 16:08 >>>
Gustav,

Or you could have an  amalgamation of your ideas.
1. have gmail send copies to another gmail server.
2. set up   another client on the  pc.
3. set the other  client to download from the second  gmail account.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 05 February 2010 14:51
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Hi A.D.

Yes. Two or more remote storages aren't of much use if your line is down. If
that situation is unacceptable, on-site storage must be established.
You can either run your own mail server - it's not that difficult and
several free options are offered:

 - hMailServer: http://www.hmailserver.com 
 - SmarterMail: http://www.smartertools.com/SmarterMail 
 - Mercury: http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercury.htm 

all of which can by themselves pull mail via POP and/or IMAP from a remote
server - or you could use a tool like ImapSize to pull all e-mails via IMAP
to a local directory/file structure:

  http://www.broobles.com/imapsize/index.php 

Further, clients exist that have features for this purpose, some at a (fair)
cost like The Bat:

  http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/index.php 

/gustav


>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 13:55 >>>
Gustav,

    Would it meet the requirement that all back up is physically stored on
my hard disk, retrievable as needed, even if Google were to shut down all
their servers ? 

    Underlying objective:
    ==============
    Archived messages should be in my absolute physical possession. For
accessing these, there must be no scope for being held hostage to any third
party's resources / performance / status / fate. (Confining our dependence
in this respect to one entity i.e. Microsoft)

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 14:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  Hi A.D.

  At most mail hosts - at least at GMail - you can set up the account to
forward each and every mail to another e-mail address to suite your demand
for backup. This could be one at a competing provider.
  At GMail you can create accounts as you go - every time your archived mail
volume exceeds 7 GB, open another account and redirect the forwarded mail to
this.

  For the free web accessed mail services, don't expect everything; there is
a reason why they are free.

  /gustav


  >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 09:39 >>>
  William,

      Thanks for the kind confirmation. One factor that militates against
adoption of third party mail client is that if the owning company happens to
discontinue the product or fails to bring out matching upgrade suiting
future versions of Windows, it can pose a problem in retrieving archived
messages stored under the said application.

      Apparently WLM is missing one of the nice features of OE, namely -
hot key navigation. For example, in case of OE, pressing any key in the Copy
or Move dialog box (or directly in the folders pane) takes you to the next
folder where the name starts with the given character.

  Best wishes,
  A.D. Tejpal



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Feb  5 11:24:30 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:24:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT:  Only A Mother Would Know!!
Message-ID: <sb6c6272.039@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Cute! The "ladies" at the office loved it.

/gustav


>>> jm.hwsn at gmail.com 05-02-2010 16:59 >>>
Remember this!!!


Don't be fooled when the new grandbaby brings you a cup of tea!


ONLY A MOTHER WOULD KNOW...

Cup of Tea ~
One day my mother was out, and my dad was in charge of me.
I was maybe 2 1/2 years old. Someone had given me a little 'tea set' as a
gift, and it was one of my favorite toys.
Daddy was in the living room engrossed in the evening news when I brought
Daddy a little cup of 'tea', which was just water. After several cups of tea
and lots of praise for such yummy tea, my Mom came home.
My Dad made her wait in the living room to watch me bring him a cup of tea,
because it was 'just the cutest thing!' My Mom waited, and sure enough, here
I came down the hall with a cup of tea for Daddy; and she watched him drink
it up.
Then she said, (as only a mother would know), "'Did it ever occur to you
that the only place she can reach to get water is the toilet?"




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Feb  5 11:28:56 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:28:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT Joke: Perfect husband
In-Reply-To: <1098DA4EB7644E608F308CDBD4612861@Mattys>
References: <005b01caa679$8bd5d1e0$a38175a0$@net>
	<1098DA4EB7644E608F308CDBD4612861@Mattys>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D64D@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Hey, I didn't see the original on this!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT Joke: Perfect husband

Thanks, John!
That was a really good laugh!
-
Michael R Mattys
Business Process Developers
www.mattysconsulting.com
-

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "_DBA-OT" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>; "'Access Developers
discussion 
and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT Joke: Perfect husband

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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Feb  5 11:52:23 2010
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:52:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT Joke: Perfect husband
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D64D@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <005b01caa679$8bd5d1e0$a38175a0$@net>	<1098DA4EB7644E608F308CDBD4612861@Mattys>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D64D@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <008801caa68b$f9305640$eb9102c0$@net>

I think your email gateway blocks my email domain (RoadRunner does) or
something. I sent you something off line awhile ago and it was never opened.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT Joke: Perfect husband

Hey, I didn't see the original on this!

Drew



From adtp at airtelmail.in  Fri Feb  5 11:51:57 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 23:21:57 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
References: <sb6c3e66.032@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <007601caa68c$0d2cc2f0$3701a8c0@adtpc>

Gustav,

    Thanks for providing these valuable tips. So nice of you. It  opens up many possibilities.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 20:20
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  Hi A.D.

  Yes. Two or more remote storages aren't of much use if your line is down. If that situation is unacceptable, on-site storage must be established.
  You can either run your own mail server - it's not that difficult and several free options are offered:

   - hMailServer: http://www.hmailserver.com
   - SmarterMail: http://www.smartertools.com/SmarterMail 
   - Mercury: http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercury.htm 

  all of which can by themselves pull mail via POP and/or IMAP from a remote server - or you could use a tool like ImapSize to pull all e-mails via IMAP to a local directory/file structure:

    http://www.broobles.com/imapsize/index.php 

  Further, clients exist that have features for this purpose, some at a (fair) cost like The Bat:

    http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/index.php 

  /gustav


  >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 13:55 >>>
  Gustav,

      Would it meet the requirement that all back up is physically stored on my hard disk, retrievable as needed, even if Google were to shut down all their servers ? 

      Underlying objective:
      ==============
      Archived messages should be in my absolute physical possession. For accessing these, there must be no scope for being held hostage to any third party's resources / performance / status / fate. (Confining our dependence in this respect to one entity i.e. Microsoft)

  Best wishes,
  A.D. Tejpal
  ------------

From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Feb  5 11:59:21 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:59:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT Joke: Perfect husband
In-Reply-To: <008801caa68b$f9305640$eb9102c0$@net>
References: <005b01caa679$8bd5d1e0$a38175a0$@net>	<1098DA4EB7644E608F308CDBD4612861@Mattys><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D64D@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<008801caa68b$f9305640$eb9102c0$@net>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D656@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Hmmmm, I got this.... and I don't see anything in the spam filter, go
figure!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT Joke: Perfect husband

I think your email gateway blocks my email domain (RoadRunner does) or
something. I sent you something off line awhile ago and it was never
opened.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT Joke: Perfect husband

Hey, I didn't see the original on this!

Drew

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 11:59:59 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:59:59 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <sb6c58ec.038@cactus.dk>
References: <sb6c58ec.038@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4b6c5ca7.1818d00a.1460.7730@mx.google.com>

But the 2nd client accessing the 2nd Gmail account could sit on a separate
PC, no?

1. Email arrives in 1st Gmail A/c
2. 1st Gmail A/c forward to 2nd Gmail A/c and leaves copy in Inbox.
3. 1st PC Client On PC1 accesses 1st Gmail A/c and downloads the emails.
4. 2nd PC Client on PC2 accesses 2nd Gmail A/c and downloads the emails.

Possible?

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 05 February 2010 16:44
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Hi Max

Not a single pc - that could be replaced quite easily - but a single
harddisk without backup would. Except if you mail are archived somewhere
else, of course, like Live Mail.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 05-02-2010 17:32 >>>
As would a single PC, no?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 05 February 2010 16:22
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Hi Max

Yes, but that would introduce a "Single Point of Failure" if GMail goes
down.

Many variations are possible. One determine factor is how paranoid you are.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 05-02-2010 16:08 >>>
Gustav,

Or you could have an  amalgamation of your ideas.
1. have gmail send copies to another gmail server.
2. set up   another client on the  pc.
3. set the other  client to download from the second  gmail account.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 05 February 2010 14:51
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Hi A.D.

Yes. Two or more remote storages aren't of much use if your line is down. If
that situation is unacceptable, on-site storage must be established.
You can either run your own mail server - it's not that difficult and
several free options are offered:

 - hMailServer: http://www.hmailserver.com 
 - SmarterMail: http://www.smartertools.com/SmarterMail 
 - Mercury: http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercury.htm 

all of which can by themselves pull mail via POP and/or IMAP from a remote
server - or you could use a tool like ImapSize to pull all e-mails via IMAP
to a local directory/file structure:

  http://www.broobles.com/imapsize/index.php 

Further, clients exist that have features for this purpose, some at a (fair)
cost like The Bat:

  http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/index.php 

/gustav


>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 13:55 >>>
Gustav,

    Would it meet the requirement that all back up is physically stored on
my hard disk, retrievable as needed, even if Google were to shut down all
their servers ? 

    Underlying objective:
    ==============
    Archived messages should be in my absolute physical possession. For
accessing these, there must be no scope for being held hostage to any third
party's resources / performance / status / fate. (Confining our dependence
in this respect to one entity i.e. Microsoft)

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 14:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  Hi A.D.

  At most mail hosts - at least at GMail - you can set up the account to
forward each and every mail to another e-mail address to suite your demand
for backup. This could be one at a competing provider.
  At GMail you can create accounts as you go - every time your archived mail
volume exceeds 7 GB, open another account and redirect the forwarded mail to
this.

  For the free web accessed mail services, don't expect everything; there is
a reason why they are free.

  /gustav


  >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 09:39 >>>
  William,

      Thanks for the kind confirmation. One factor that militates against
adoption of third party mail client is that if the owning company happens to
discontinue the product or fails to bring out matching upgrade suiting
future versions of Windows, it can pose a problem in retrieving archived
messages stored under the said application.

      Apparently WLM is missing one of the nice features of OE, namely -
hot key navigation. For example, in case of OE, pressing any key in the Copy
or Move dialog box (or directly in the folders pane) takes you to the next
folder where the name starts with the given character.

  Best wishes,
  A.D. Tejpal

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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Feb  5 12:12:26 2010
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:12:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT Joke: Perfect husband
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D656@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <005b01caa679$8bd5d1e0$a38175a0$@net>	<1098DA4EB7644E608F308CDBD4612861@Mattys><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D64D@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>	<008801caa68b$f9305640$eb9102c0$@net>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D656@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <008c01caa68e$c5a08a40$50e19ec0$@net>

Flow chart:
Mail leaves the PC - enters a black - may come out 

;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT Joke: Perfect husband

Hmmmm, I got this.... and I don't see anything in the spam filter, go
figure!

Drew



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Feb  5 16:21:11 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:21:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Pushing Dates into Outlook Calendar from Access
Message-ID: <3681F83334214EF88C6C37DC06181EC6@HAL9005>

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to take appointment records in an Access database
and push them into an Outlook calendar.  Before I try to reinvent the wheel,
does anyone know if there is that kind of code on one of the Access sites?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 


From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Feb  5 17:31:20 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:31:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pushing Dates into Outlook Calendar from Access
In-Reply-To: <3681F83334214EF88C6C37DC06181EC6@HAL9005>
References: <3681F83334214EF88C6C37DC06181EC6@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <0BF253BAF5804503901E051D47F870A4@jislaptopdev>

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/209963

...this is the A2K code from which I started, it upgraded to A2K3 without a 
hitch
...I believe there are access-outlook automation kbs for each version

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:21 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Pushing Dates into Outlook Calendar from Access

> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who wants to take appointment records in an Access 
> database
> and push them into an Outlook calendar.  Before I try to reinvent the 
> wheel,
> does anyone know if there is that kind of code on one of the Access sites?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
>
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Feb  5 18:13:27 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:13:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Pushing Dates into Outlook Calendar from Access
In-Reply-To: <0BF253BAF5804503901E051D47F870A4@jislaptopdev>
References: <3681F83334214EF88C6C37DC06181EC6@HAL9005>
	<0BF253BAF5804503901E051D47F870A4@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <F68BB39A79BF4EAE82DA21B73F58784C@HAL9005>

Looks good. Thanks

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pushing Dates into Outlook Calendar from Access

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/209963

...this is the A2K code from which I started, it upgraded to A2K3 without a
hitch ...I believe there are access-outlook automation kbs for each version

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:21 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Pushing Dates into Outlook Calendar from Access

> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who wants to take appointment records in an Access 
> database and push them into an Outlook calendar.  Before I try to 
> reinvent the wheel, does anyone know if there is that kind of code on 
> one of the Access sites?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
>
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Feb  5 18:26:02 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:26:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Excel Tab Key
Message-ID: <803A66B0B96142D9B5FB5F3313AC9F33@HAL9005>

 

  _____  

From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:08 PM
To: List (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: Excel Tab Key



Dear List:

Something changed in my Excel so that when I hit the TAB key the cursor
moves right several cells instead of just one like it used to.  Does anyone
know how to set this back?

MTIA

Rocky

 


From apg at alun.de  Sat Feb  6 04:26:51 2010
From: apg at alun.de (apg)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:26:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
In-Reply-To: <006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <000101caa0fd$4fe0c0e0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<006301caa413$658d8db0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <4B6D43EB.6090505@alun.de>

Thunderbird (Home)
gmail (mobile)
Outlook 2007 Work

No Newsgroups



A.D. Tejpal wrote:
>     Members of this forum are requested to kindly indicate the application used by them for Emails and NewsGroups.
>
> Best wishes,
> A.D. Tejpal
> ------------
>   



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Feb  6 07:06:13 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:06:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
In-Reply-To: <4B69E7FA.25609.E5F9825@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4B69277C.4399.B6FA732@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<35E37DBC5D8A4A56853FA37F64235723@XPS>
	<4B69E7FA.25609.E5F9825@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E91096A0E523469FBEC6C659964D89C4@XPS>

Stuart,

<<There's no need for an OnCurrent event if you set the source of the hidden
control to the PK 
of the recordset of its  parent form.>>

  Not sure I understand; the grandchild is related to the child subform, not
the parent. You need to do that on the grandchild to get the grandchild form
to sync properly to the child subform.

  It's the only way I know of putting both child and grandchild on a main
form.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed

There's no need for an OnCurrent event if you set the source of the hidden
control to the PK 
of the recordset of its  parent form.

-- 
Stuart

On 3 Feb 2010 at 15:37, Jim Dettman wrote:
>   So I put a hidden control on the main form, child form linking is
normal,
> then place the grandchild form on the main form and use the hidden control
> as the master link.  Last piece is in the child forms OnCurrent event, I
> update the hidden control on the parent. 
> 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Feb  6 07:31:33 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:31:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
In-Reply-To: <E91096A0E523469FBEC6C659964D89C4@XPS>
References: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4B69E7FA.25609.E5F9825@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<E91096A0E523469FBEC6C659964D89C4@XPS>
Message-ID: <4B6D6F35.2288.1C27F5A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I'll try to explain it more clearly. 

The topmost form is an unbound form - frmWrapper
frmParent, frmChild and frmGrandchild are all subforms on frmWrapper.
txtParentLink and txtChildLink are controls on frmWrapper.

The Source of txtParentLink is set to =frmParent!Form.PK
The Source of txtChildLink is set to =frmChild!Form.PK

The Link Master Fields of frmChild is set to =txtParentLink
The Link Master Fields of the frmGrandchild is set to =txtChildLink

Now change the current record in frmParent:
txtParentLink automatically updates to the new Parent.PK
frmChild automatically requeries based on the new content of txtParentLink (frmParent,PK)
txtChildLink automatically updates to the new Child.PK.
frmGrandchild automatically requeries based on the new content of txtChildLink(frmChild.PK)

It all happens without any on_current code.

I can put a simple demo up on-line if you like.
-- 
Stuart


 On 6 Feb 2010 at 8:06, Jim Dettman wrote:

> Stuart,
> 
> <<There's no need for an OnCurrent event if you set the source of the hidden
> control to the PK 
> of the recordset of its  parent form.>>
> 
>   Not sure I understand; the grandchild is related to the child subform, not
> the parent. You need to do that on the grandchild to get the grandchild form
> to sync properly to the child subform.
> 
>   It's the only way I know of putting both child and grandchild on a main
> form.
> 
> Jim.
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Feb  6 08:05:08 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:05:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
In-Reply-To: <4B6D6F35.2288.1C27F5A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E91096A0E523469FBEC6C659964D89C4@XPS>,
	<4B6D6F35.2288.1C27F5A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4B6D7714.764.1C46B30D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I've put it up anyway so that anyone else who didn't quite follow my description can see it in 
action.

http://www.lexacorp.com.pg/Misc/MultiLevelForm.zip

Access 2K3 mdb in a 14KB zip

-- 
Stuart

On 6 Feb 2010 at 23:31, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> I can put a simple demo up on-line if you like.
> -- 
> Stuart
> 



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Feb  6 09:22:45 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:22:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
In-Reply-To: <4B6D6F35.2288.1C27F5A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4B69E7FA.25609.E5F9825@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<E91096A0E523469FBEC6C659964D89C4@XPS>
	<4B6D6F35.2288.1C27F5A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <82B64773EB29444DB90650178D652A70@XPS>


  Ah got it now; you are simply using hidden controls that are bound where I
use unbound.  The technique in general however is no different (using a
control rather then a field for the link).

  I've always found it easier to push things up from a subform using
Me.Parent rather then go the other way.  And my main forms are typically
bound.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed

I'll try to explain it more clearly. 

The topmost form is an unbound form - frmWrapper
frmParent, frmChild and frmGrandchild are all subforms on frmWrapper.
txtParentLink and txtChildLink are controls on frmWrapper.

The Source of txtParentLink is set to =frmParent!Form.PK
The Source of txtChildLink is set to =frmChild!Form.PK

The Link Master Fields of frmChild is set to =txtParentLink
The Link Master Fields of the frmGrandchild is set to =txtChildLink

Now change the current record in frmParent:
txtParentLink automatically updates to the new Parent.PK
frmChild automatically requeries based on the new content of txtParentLink
(frmParent,PK)
txtChildLink automatically updates to the new Child.PK.
frmGrandchild automatically requeries based on the new content of
txtChildLink(frmChild.PK)

It all happens without any on_current code.

I can put a simple demo up on-line if you like.
-- 
Stuart


 On 6 Feb 2010 at 8:06, Jim Dettman wrote:

> Stuart,
> 
> <<There's no need for an OnCurrent event if you set the source of the
hidden
> control to the PK 
> of the recordset of its  parent form.>>
> 
>   Not sure I understand; the grandchild is related to the child subform,
not
> the parent. You need to do that on the grandchild to get the grandchild
form
> to sync properly to the child subform.
> 
>   It's the only way I know of putting both child and grandchild on a main
> form.
> 
> Jim.
> 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 09:52:19 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 10:52:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pushing Dates into Outlook Calendar from Access
References: <3681F83334214EF88C6C37DC06181EC6@HAL9005>
	<0BF253BAF5804503901E051D47F870A4@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <19CF84CA5F54403DB09501A9564EAAE5@SusanOne>

Also, you can check Helen Feddema's site -- she has a lot of 
Outlook-to-other-application code.

http://helenfeddema.com/

Susan H.


> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/209963
>
> ...this is the A2K code from which I started, it upgraded to A2K3 without 
> a
> hitch
> ...I believe there are access-outlook automation kbs for each version
>
> William



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Feb  6 13:10:05 2010
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:10:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client
Message-ID: <sb6dccab.042@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

Many things are possible. It all depends on the purpose and features to fulfil or which limitations you wish to eliminate:

1. Be independent of a single mail host
2. Insist on local copy of mail
3. Mail stored in proprietary format or standard format 
4. Need additional features like calendar, scheduling, address books, shared folders, mobile access, etc.
5. Web based or client (desktop) access to mail
6. Mail not vanishing if some account is not paid for.
7. Access to mail dependant on your domestic internet access
8. Budget (zero, low, some, business, don't ask)

For example, if you run your own in-house Exchange server, it will:
 - cost you a license, hardware, and maintenance cost
 - have one web access
 - store mail in a proprietary format
 - require a dual+ system level backup/restore system and/or a cluster setup
 - be non-accessible from the outside if your internet line is down
 - be accessible in-house even if your internet line is down
 - provide many features not obtainable otherwise
 - be able to pull your mail via IMAP or POP3 to another system or mail storage format
 - store your mail "eternally" at zero cost if you power the system down

If you expand this setup and regularly and systematically forward all mail to a Goggle Apps account (which holds individual user mail boxes) you will:
 - add zero cost to your budget if mail storage per account is less than 7 GB
 - use a little bandwidth to upload your mail to Google
 - have two different web access options
 - be fine with one system level backup/restore system
 - have access to your mail from the outside even if your internet line is down
 - have search capabilities superior to those offered by Exchange
 - store your mail at two locations "eternally" at zero cost if mail storage per account is less than 7 GB

And so on. If you have access to two geographically different locations, your options change dramatically. This if what we have. My home is a secondary location with a full setup of internet access, multiple IP addresses, servers, etc.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 05-02-2010 18:59 >>>
But the 2nd client accessing the 2nd Gmail account could sit on a separate
PC, no?

1. Email arrives in 1st Gmail A/c
2. 1st Gmail A/c forward to 2nd Gmail A/c and leaves copy in Inbox.
3. 1st PC Client On PC1 accesses 1st Gmail A/c and downloads the emails.
4. 2nd PC Client on PC2 accesses 2nd Gmail A/c and downloads the emails.

Possible?

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 05 February 2010 16:44
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Hi Max

Not a single pc - that could be replaced quite easily - but a single
harddisk without backup would. Except if you mail are archived somewhere
else, of course, like Live Mail.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 05-02-2010 17:32 >>>
As would a single PC, no?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 05 February 2010 16:22
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Hi Max

Yes, but that would introduce a "Single Point of Failure" if GMail goes down.

Many variations are possible. One determine factor is how paranoid you are.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 05-02-2010 16:08 >>>
Gustav,

Or you could have an  amalgamation of your ideas.
1. have gmail send copies to another gmail server.
2. set up   another client on the  pc.
3. set the other  client to download from the second  gmail account.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 05 February 2010 14:51
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client

Hi A.D.

Yes. Two or more remote storages aren't of much use if your line is down. If
that situation is unacceptable, on-site storage must be established.
You can either run your own mail server - it's not that difficult and
several free options are offered:

 - hMailServer: http://www.hmailserver.com 
 - SmarterMail: http://www.smartertools.com/SmarterMail 
 - Mercury: http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercury.htm 

all of which can by themselves pull mail via POP and/or IMAP from a remote
server - or you could use a tool like ImapSize to pull all e-mails via IMAP
to a local directory/file structure:

  http://www.broobles.com/imapsize/index.php 

Further, clients exist that have features for this purpose, some at a (fair)
cost like The Bat:

  http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/index.php 

/gustav


>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 13:55 >>>
Gustav,

    Would it meet the requirement that all back up is physically stored on
my hard disk, retrievable as needed, even if Google were to shut down all
their servers ? 

    Underlying objective:
    ==============
    Archived messages should be in my absolute physical possession. For
accessing these, there must be no scope for being held hostage to any third
party's resources / performance / status / fate. (Confining our dependence
in this respect to one entity i.e. Microsoft)

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 14:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Survey - Preferred Email and NewsGroups client


  Hi A.D.

  At most mail hosts - at least at GMail - you can set up the account to
forward each and every mail to another e-mail address to suite your demand
for backup. This could be one at a competing provider.
  At GMail you can create accounts as you go - every time your archived mail
volume exceeds 7 GB, open another account and redirect the forwarded mail to
this.

  For the free web accessed mail services, don't expect everything; there is
a reason why they are free.

  /gustav


  >>> adtp at airtelmail.in 05-02-2010 09:39 >>>
  William,

      Thanks for the kind confirmation. One factor that militates against
adoption of third party mail client is that if the owning company happens to
discontinue the product or fails to bring out matching upgrade suiting
future versions of Windows, it can pose a problem in retrieving archived
messages stored under the said application.

      Apparently WLM is missing one of the nice features of OE, namely -
hot key navigation. For example, in case of OE, pressing any key in the Copy
or Move dialog box (or directly in the folders pane) takes you to the next
folder where the name starts with the given character.

  Best wishes,
  A.D. Tejpal



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sat Feb  6 18:33:30 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:33:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <82B64773EB29444DB90650178D652A70@XPS>
References: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4B69E7FA.25609.E5F9825@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<E91096A0E523469FBEC6C659964D89C4@XPS><4B6D6F35.2288.1C27F5A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<82B64773EB29444DB90650178D652A70@XPS>
Message-ID: <15C745839E9D485BAE3CDB0447539E91@jislaptopdev>

...I need to produce a relatively simple tasking Gantt chart on a form, 
preferably with native Access (2003).

...I've binged all about and come up with nothing but a very complicated 
report format, a linked Excel chart, or a variety of 3rd party ocx controls 
which require per user licensing, none of which I want to use ...this needs 
to run reliably in a runtime environment and work in an Access form.

...I've also looked at the Microsoft Chart control and the PivotView without 
success.

...anyone have tried and tested code, sample, or a link?

William 




From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Sat Feb  6 18:55:51 2010
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:55:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Excel Tab Key
In-Reply-To: <803A66B0B96142D9B5FB5F3313AC9F33@HAL9005>
References: <803A66B0B96142D9B5FB5F3313AC9F33@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <9A07CA32417348EFAF2CF6040EA30142@abpc>

Assume this is Excel 2007, right? I have similar issues with my 2007 version, i.e. ctrl+c, ctrl+v, and ctrl+s not working as supposed. This is an irregular behaviour - after a restart of Excel the keys might function as supposed.
I don't have a solution, so I too would appreciate hints to solve this annoying behaviour.
Asger

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Sendt: 6. februar 2010 01:26
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] FW: Excel Tab Key

 

  _____  

From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:08 PM
To: List (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: Excel Tab Key



Dear List:

Something changed in my Excel so that when I hit the TAB key the cursor
moves right several cells instead of just one like it used to.  Does anyone
know how to set this back?

MTIA

Rocky

 





From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Feb  6 19:24:10 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:24:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Excel Tab Key
In-Reply-To: <9A07CA32417348EFAF2CF6040EA30142@abpc>
References: <803A66B0B96142D9B5FB5F3313AC9F33@HAL9005>
	<9A07CA32417348EFAF2CF6040EA30142@abpc>
Message-ID: <F12E81A751204B78B78C7BB4F570F18E@HAL9005>

2003 - and I got a solution to my problem from Gary Kjos - 

Tools>options>transition clear transition navigation keys,

Don't know if that will give you a lead on your problem. But it's one more
reason for me to wait for the next release of Office.  2007 has very little
to recommend it on this list.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 4:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Excel Tab Key

Assume this is Excel 2007, right? I have similar issues with my 2007
version, i.e. ctrl+c, ctrl+v, and ctrl+s not working as supposed. This is an
irregular behaviour - after a restart of Excel the keys might function as
supposed.
I don't have a solution, so I too would appreciate hints to solve this
annoying behaviour.
Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin
Sendt: 6. februar 2010 01:26
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] FW: Excel Tab Key

 

  _____  

From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:08 PM
To: List (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: Excel Tab Key



Dear List:

Something changed in my Excel so that when I hit the TAB key the cursor
moves right several cells instead of just one like it used to.  Does anyone
know how to set this back?

MTIA

Rocky

 



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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Sat Feb  6 20:29:10 2010
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 03:29:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Excel Tab Key
In-Reply-To: <F12E81A751204B78B78C7BB4F570F18E@HAL9005>
References: <803A66B0B96142D9B5FB5F3313AC9F33@HAL9005><9A07CA32417348EFAF2CF6040EA30142@abpc>
	<F12E81A751204B78B78C7BB4F570F18E@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <DF3428371B634A04BBE50B88EBD8459C@abpc>

--2007 has very little to recommend it on this list.
Well apart from the annoying key-problems and the ditto ribbon menus, one thing I really appreciate in Excel 2007 is the new "Format as table" option: using this option you can append rows to an existing table and the append will automatically copy existing formulas from the table to the new row - and this also goes for tables drawing data from external sources. Previous to Excel 2007 you had to manage this kind of things using VBA-code, now you have it right on hand. So especially for database folks Excel 2007 is a must have.
Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin
Sendt: 7. februar 2010 02:24
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] FW: Excel Tab Key

2003 - and I got a solution to my problem from Gary Kjos - 

Tools>options>transition clear transition navigation keys,

Don't know if that will give you a lead on your problem. But it's one more
reason for me to wait for the next release of Office.  2007 has very little
to recommend it on this list.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 4:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Excel Tab Key

Assume this is Excel 2007, right? I have similar issues with my 2007
version, i.e. ctrl+c, ctrl+v, and ctrl+s not working as supposed. This is an
irregular behaviour - after a restart of Excel the keys might function as
supposed.
I don't have a solution, so I too would appreciate hints to solve this
annoying behaviour.
Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin
Sendt: 6. februar 2010 01:26
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] FW: Excel Tab Key

 

  _____  

From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:08 PM
To: List (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: Excel Tab Key



Dear List:

Something changed in my Excel so that when I hit the TAB key the cursor
moves right several cells instead of just one like it used to.  Does anyone
know how to set this back?

MTIA

Rocky

 



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Feb  7 02:38:10 2010
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:38:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
Message-ID: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk>

Hi William

Couldn't you use a stack of rectangles you resize according to the data?
Here's an example by Duane Hookom for a report - could be adopted for a form, I guess:

http://www.access.hookom.net/Samples.htm 

It's the Calendar Reports sample at the top.
Some discussion of this can be found here:

http://g.www.ms.akadns.net/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.access.reports&tid=1f382f4b-60e9-429c-b96c-67b3b78f9bcc&cat=en_US_440664bc-4ba9-45ac-a263-75b2adc68568&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=&p=1

/gustav


>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 07-02-2010 01:33 >>>
...I need to produce a relatively simple tasking Gantt chart on a form, 
preferably with native Access (2003).

...I've binged all about and come up with nothing but a very complicated 
report format, a linked Excel chart, or a variety of 3rd party ocx controls 
which require per user licensing, none of which I want to use ...this needs 
to run reliably in a runtime environment and work in an Access form.

...I've also looked at the Microsoft Chart control and the PivotView without 
success.

...anyone have tried and tested code, sample, or a link?

William 




From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Feb  7 10:40:49 2010
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:40:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: Looong train
Message-ID: <sb6efb46.055@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Well, not Friday but still weekend, and if you need a 10? minutes break during the weekend duties, relax here and count:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFCAtf6exS8

It's a footage of a drive-by of presumable the longest train ever recorded - 18.000 feet or about 5.5 km long driven by 3+2+2+2 engines and counting about 300 cars.
The location is the Yuma Subdivision at Fingal in sunny California.

The guy behind, Joe Perry, is a true enthusiast and also a splendid photographer as his site demonstrates:

  http://www.chasingsteel.com 

/gustav

PS: If wish more here's a similar, though from 1982 and only about 9 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B67vrhp2Xog&





From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sun Feb  7 12:14:58 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:14:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev>

gustav

...thanks ...one of the first items I found binging around ...it works as a 
report but apparently not as a form unless you know some magic trick I don't 
:)

William
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:38 AM
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

> Hi William
>
> Couldn't you use a stack of rectangles you resize according to the data?
> Here's an example by Duane Hookom for a report - could be adopted for a 
> form, I guess:
>
> http://www.access.hookom.net/Samples.htm
>
> It's the Calendar Reports sample at the top.
> Some discussion of this can be found here:
>
> http://g.www.ms.akadns.net/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.access.reports&tid=1f382f4b-60e9-429c-b96c-67b3b78f9bcc&cat=en_US_440664bc-4ba9-45ac-a263-75b2adc68568&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=&p=1
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 07-02-2010 01:33 >>>
> ...I need to produce a relatively simple tasking Gantt chart on a form,
> preferably with native Access (2003).
>
> ...I've binged all about and come up with nothing but a very complicated
> report format, a linked Excel chart, or a variety of 3rd party ocx 
> controls
> which require per user licensing, none of which I want to use ...this 
> needs
> to run reliably in a runtime environment and work in an Access form.
>
> ...I've also looked at the Microsoft Chart control and the PivotView 
> without
> success.
>
> ...anyone have tried and tested code, sample, or a link?
>
> William
>
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sun Feb  7 12:23:45 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:23:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: Looong train
In-Reply-To: <sb6efb46.055@cactus.dk>
References: <sb6efb46.055@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3DFDA4BED28241ED91837EF2E86C367C@jislaptopdev>

...my luck, I'd be first in line at the rail crossing ...with a kid who 
needed to go to the bathroom ...bad :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:40 AM
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: Looong train

> Hi all
>
> Well, not Friday but still weekend, and if you need a 10? minutes break 
> during the weekend duties, relax here and count:
>
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFCAtf6exS8
>
> It's a footage of a drive-by of presumable the longest train ever 
> recorded - 18.000 feet or about 5.5 km long driven by 3+2+2+2 engines and 
> counting about 300 cars.
> The location is the Yuma Subdivision at Fingal in sunny California.
>
> The guy behind, Joe Perry, is a true enthusiast and also a splendid 
> photographer as his site demonstrates:
>
>  http://www.chasingsteel.com
>
> /gustav
>
> PS: If wish more here's a similar, though from 1982 and only about 9 
> minutes:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B67vrhp2Xog&
>
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Feb  7 12:40:00 2010
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:40:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: Looong train
Message-ID: <sb6f172e.057@cactus.dk>

Hi all

OK, browsed a little and this which ran in Australia 2001 seems to hold the record - with 682 wagons and 7.353 km long:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LsuNWjRaAo&NR=1

/gustav

>>> gustav at cactus.dk 07-02-2010 17:40 >>>
Hi all

Well, not Friday but still weekend, and if you need a 10? minutes break during the weekend duties, relax here and count:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFCAtf6exS8 

It's a footage of a drive-by of presumable the longest train ever recorded - 18.000 feet or about 5.5 km long driven by 3+2+2+2 engines and counting about 300 cars.
The location is the Yuma Subdivision at Fingal in sunny California.

The guy behind, Joe Perry, is a true enthusiast and also a splendid photographer as his site demonstrates:

  http://www.chasingsteel.com 

/gustav

PS: If wish more here's a similar, though from 1982 and only about 9 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B67vrhp2Xog& 




From dbdoug at gmail.com  Sun Feb  7 12:48:07 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:48:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk>
	<73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c1002071048x3fa8f065ud15023f3b4aaa321@mail.gmail.com>

Could you use rows of multiple short textboxes and set the background color
as necessary in code?

Doug

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:14 AM, William Hindman <
wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:

> gustav
>
> ...thanks ...one of the first items I found binging around ...it works as a
> report but apparently not as a form unless you know some magic trick I
> don't
> :)
>
>


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sun Feb  7 13:39:04 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 11:39:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <15C745839E9D485BAE3CDB0447539E91@jislaptopdev>
References: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4B69E7FA.25609.E5F9825@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<E91096A0E523469FBEC6C659964D89C4@XPS><4B6D6F35.2288.1C27F5A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><82B64773EB29444DB90650178D652A70@XPS>
	<15C745839E9D485BAE3CDB0447539E91@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <593538547461478F8671FDF356CA5F40@murphy3234aaf1>

I seem to remember seeing this long ago. Try Hellen Feddma's site. It may
have been in Access Advisor when it existed. Sorry I can't be of more help.
Memory isn't what it was.

Took a quick look using Google search. Lots of hits but this looked
interesting
http://download.cnet.com/Gantt-Chart-Builder-Access/3000-2064_4-10074558.htm
l, but it is a trial and full version is around $60. This is for Excel but
uses the chart control so should be doable in Access
http://www.duncanwil.co.uk/gantt.htm. Here is an Access version of the chart
control example
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=108369

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 4:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

...I need to produce a relatively simple tasking Gantt chart on a form,
preferably with native Access (2003).

...I've binged all about and come up with nothing but a very complicated
report format, a linked Excel chart, or a variety of 3rd party ocx controls
which require per user licensing, none of which I want to use ...this needs
to run reliably in a runtime environment and work in an Access form.

...I've also looked at the Microsoft Chart control and the PivotView without
success.

...anyone have tried and tested code, sample, or a link?

William 


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sun Feb  7 13:39:14 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:39:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c1002071048x3fa8f065ud15023f3b4aaa321@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk><73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev>
	<4dd71a0c1002071048x3fa8f065ud15023f3b4aaa321@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <775857B8FA274C13A415206D88B8CF52@jislaptopdev>

Doug

...love to, but that would pretty quickly run into the max controls per form 
limit.
...at 365 days per year I'd be limited to two employees at the most.
...and that's not counting other controls added/deleted over the form 
lifetime.

...I've thought about using the flexgrid but that means another ocx that has 
to be registered and updated on every system.
...I'd much prefer doing this in native access 2k3 if possible.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Doug Steele" <dbdoug at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:48 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

> Could you use rows of multiple short textboxes and set the background 
> color
> as necessary in code?
>
> Doug
>
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:14 AM, William Hindman <
> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
>> gustav
>>
>> ...thanks ...one of the first items I found binging around ...it works as 
>> a
>> report but apparently not as a form unless you know some magic trick I
>> don't
>> :)
>>
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Feb  7 13:57:41 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 11:57:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] FW: [dba-OT] For Dickford -- FW: Friday OT: Looong train
Message-ID: <70320AEE6CEE4CA7AB375A4DD23CFB23@HAL9005>

Our train expert from OT 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of dickford1 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:26 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] For Dickford -- FW: [AccessD] Friday OT: Looong train


Poetry in motion, eh Rocky? That's the way an efficiently-run railroad
should look. A mighty impressive sight...a 3 mile-long train powered by nine
locomotives! Wow! And...all run by ONE guy who...if he has adequate
seniority, makes about $27/hour + bennies. A model of efficiency...

But, appearances can be deceiving. Let me explain:

1.) Train 7454 West is running extra...westbound, on single track under
authority of track warrant, in dark (unsignaled) territory. The significance
of that? Simple. That train owns the track...there can be no opposing
trains, because there isn't a long enough passing siding. That means that up
to a dozen eastbound trains can (and usually are) backed up, idling...with
full crews...waiting to run.

2.) This train is running with mostly empty containers. The loads would be
the Maersk and possibly the free-running Evergreens. The two mid-train sets
are running in high idle, but offline, not as slaves...to maintain trainline
air pressure for braking purposes. IOW, they're "brake sleds". They also
serve double-duty as part of a common power-balancing maneuver: More freight
tonnage moves east...much more...than moves west, hence the need for power
to be returned...running "light". The rear end power is running
radio-controlled, from the head end...and IS pushing...to keep the slack
bunched in this train. Running a "tight" train is critical in these
circumstances...but, can also magnify dangers exponentially. One li'l hitch
in the gitalong...emphasis on "little"...and the whole picture goes
kaflooey! In a heartbeat. I noted at least four distinct flat wheel
sets...and three of those piercing screeches. Know what those are? I do!
Nothing but trouble! Flagrantly out-of-spec "sharp flanges" and/or "squared
flange fillets"...IOW, an open invitation to derailment. Shit happens...all
to regularly for my taste.

Conclusion? Any dispatcher who put this nightmarish mostrosity together
should be shot (and probably was) at sunrise. After a proper trial, of
course.<g>

Anyway, Rocky...thank you very much or sharing this! The photog definitely
knows his shit. It was a pleasure!

Dickford






-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: 'Off Topic' <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2010 12:05 pm
Subject: [dba-OT] For Dickford -- FW: [AccessD] Friday OT: Looong train


 
-----Original Message-----
rom: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
ent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 8:41 AM
o: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
ubject: [AccessD] Friday OT: Looong train Hi all Well, not Friday but still
weekend, and if you need a 10? minutes break uring the weekend duties, relax
here and count:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFCAtf6exS8
It's a footage of a drive-by of presumable the longest train ever recorded -
8.000 feet or about 5.5 km long driven by 3+2+2+2 engines and counting bout
300 cars.
he location is the Yuma Subdivision at Fingal in sunny California.
The guy behind, Joe Perry, is a true enthusiast and also a splendid
hotographer as his site demonstrates:
  http://www.chasingsteel.com
/gustav
PS: If wish more here's a similar, though from 1982 and only about 9
inutes:
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B67vrhp2Xog&

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Feb  7 14:22:02 2010
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:22:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: Looong train
Message-ID: <sb6f2f1c.058@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

Thanks! Very informative. Now I learned something new even on a Sunday.
But I'm so curious - I didn't notice (or rather look for) flat wheel sets - extremely uncommon here - but now I have to watch the video again to look those up.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 07-02-2010 20:57 >>>
Our train expert from OT 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of dickford1 at aol.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:26 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [dba-OT] For Dickford -- FW: [AccessD] Friday OT: Looong train


Poetry in motion, eh Rocky? That's the way an efficiently-run railroad
should look. A mighty impressive sight...a 3 mile-long train powered by nine
locomotives! Wow! And...all run by ONE guy who...if he has adequate
seniority, makes about $27/hour + bennies. A model of efficiency...

But, appearances can be deceiving. Let me explain:

1.) Train 7454 West is running extra...westbound, on single track under
authority of track warrant, in dark (unsignaled) territory. The significance
of that? Simple. That train owns the track...there can be no opposing
trains, because there isn't a long enough passing siding. That means that up
to a dozen eastbound trains can (and usually are) backed up, idling...with
full crews...waiting to run.

2.) This train is running with mostly empty containers. The loads would be
the Maersk and possibly the free-running Evergreens. The two mid-train sets
are running in high idle, but offline, not as slaves...to maintain trainline
air pressure for braking purposes. IOW, they're "brake sleds". They also
serve double-duty as part of a common power-balancing maneuver: More freight
tonnage moves east...much more...than moves west, hence the need for power
to be returned...running "light". The rear end power is running
radio-controlled, from the head end...and IS pushing...to keep the slack
bunched in this train. Running a "tight" train is critical in these
circumstances...but, can also magnify dangers exponentially. One li'l hitch
in the gitalong...emphasis on "little"...and the whole picture goes
kaflooey! In a heartbeat. I noted at least four distinct flat wheel
sets...and three of those piercing screeches. Know what those are? I do!
Nothing but trouble! Flagrantly out-of-spec "sharp flanges" and/or "squared
flange fillets"...IOW, an open invitation to derailment. Shit happens...all
to regularly for my taste.

Conclusion? Any dispatcher who put this nightmarish mostrosity together
should be shot (and probably was) at sunrise. After a proper trial, of
course.<g>

Anyway, Rocky...thank you very much or sharing this! The photog definitely
knows his shit. It was a pleasure!

Dickford





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Feb  7 16:00:05 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 08:00:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] FW: [dba-OT] For Dickford -- FW: Friday OT: Looong
	train
In-Reply-To: <70320AEE6CEE4CA7AB375A4DD23CFB23@HAL9005>
References: <70320AEE6CEE4CA7AB375A4DD23CFB23@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4B6F37E5.30886.231FF677@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

An LA Times article with more info on the train:

bit.ly/8QTpGp

-- 
Stuart

On 7 Feb 2010 at 11:57, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Our train expert from OT 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of dickford1 at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:26 AM
> To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-OT] For Dickford -- FW: [AccessD] Friday OT: Looong train
> 
> 
> Poetry in motion, eh Rocky? That's the way an efficiently-run railroad
> should look. A mighty impressive sight...a 3 mile-long train powered by nine
> locomotives! Wow! And...all run by ONE guy who...if he has adequate
> seniority, makes about $27/hour + bennies. A model of efficiency...
> 
> But, appearances can be deceiving. Let me explain:
> 
> 1.) Train 7454 West is running extra...westbound, on single track under
> authority of track warrant, in dark (unsignaled) territory. The significance
> of that? Simple. That train owns the track...there can be no opposing
> trains, because there isn't a long enough passing siding. That means that up
> to a dozen eastbound trains can (and usually are) backed up, idling...with
> full crews...waiting to run.
> 
> 2.) This train is running with mostly empty containers. The loads would be
> the Maersk and possibly the free-running Evergreens. The two mid-train sets
> are running in high idle, but offline, not as slaves...to maintain trainline
> air pressure for braking purposes. IOW, they're "brake sleds". They also
> serve double-duty as part of a common power-balancing maneuver: More freight
> tonnage moves east...much more...than moves west, hence the need for power
> to be returned...running "light". The rear end power is running
> radio-controlled, from the head end...and IS pushing...to keep the slack
> bunched in this train. Running a "tight" train is critical in these
> circumstances...but, can also magnify dangers exponentially. One li'l hitch
> in the gitalong...emphasis on "little"...and the whole picture goes
> kaflooey! In a heartbeat. I noted at least four distinct flat wheel
> sets...and three of those piercing screeches. Know what those are? I do!
> Nothing but trouble! Flagrantly out-of-spec "sharp flanges" and/or "squared
> flange fillets"...IOW, an open invitation to derailment. Shit happens...all
> to regularly for my taste.
> 
> Conclusion? Any dispatcher who put this nightmarish mostrosity together
> should be shot (and probably was) at sunrise. After a proper trial, of
> course.<g>
> 
> Anyway, Rocky...thank you very much or sharing this! The photog definitely
> knows his shit. It was a pleasure!
> 
> Dickford
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: 'Off Topic' <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2010 12:05 pm
> Subject: [dba-OT] For Dickford -- FW: [AccessD] Friday OT: Looong train
> 
> 
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> rom: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> ent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 8:41 AM
> o: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> ubject: [AccessD] Friday OT: Looong train Hi all Well, not Friday but still
> weekend, and if you need a 10? minutes break uring the weekend duties, relax
> here and count:
>   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFCAtf6exS8
> It's a footage of a drive-by of presumable the longest train ever recorded -
> 8.000 feet or about 5.5 km long driven by 3+2+2+2 engines and counting bout
> 300 cars.
> he location is the Yuma Subdivision at Fingal in sunny California.
> The guy behind, Joe Perry, is a true enthusiast and also a splendid
> hotographer as his site demonstrates:
>   http://www.chasingsteel.com
> /gustav
> PS: If wish more here's a similar, though from 1982 and only about 9
> inutes:
> ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B67vrhp2Xog&
> 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sun Feb  7 18:37:46 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 19:37:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <593538547461478F8671FDF356CA5F40@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4B69E7FA.25609.E5F9825@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<E91096A0E523469FBEC6C659964D89C4@XPS><4B6D6F35.2288.1C27F5A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><82B64773EB29444DB90650178D652A70@XPS><15C745839E9D485BAE3CDB0447539E91@jislaptopdev>
	<593538547461478F8671FDF356CA5F40@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <F6CDE26710FC43338CEBA95492718F94@jislaptopdev>

Doug

...I've looked at each of them in my hunt ...the Gantt Chart Builder for 
instance with 10 user licensing is almost $900 with the plus pack and 
support ...and I still don't get it on a form, only as a report ...I've 
already got a couple examples of that in free sample mdbs ...same with the 
other links but many thanks for looking ...its got to exist somewhere other 
than in a 3rd party ocx.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:39 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

> I seem to remember seeing this long ago. Try Hellen Feddma's site. It may
> have been in Access Advisor when it existed. Sorry I can't be of more 
> help.
> Memory isn't what it was.
>
> Took a quick look using Google search. Lots of hits but this looked
> interesting
> http://download.cnet.com/Gantt-Chart-Builder-Access/3000-2064_4-10074558.htm
> l, but it is a trial and full version is around $60. This is for Excel but
> uses the chart control so should be doable in Access
> http://www.duncanwil.co.uk/gantt.htm. Here is an Access version of the 
> chart
> control example
> http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=108369
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 4:34 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
>
> ...I need to produce a relatively simple tasking Gantt chart on a form,
> preferably with native Access (2003).
>
> ...I've binged all about and come up with nothing but a very complicated
> report format, a linked Excel chart, or a variety of 3rd party ocx 
> controls
> which require per user licensing, none of which I want to use ...this 
> needs
> to run reliably in a runtime environment and work in an Access form.
>
> ...I've also looked at the Microsoft Chart control and the PivotView 
> without
> success.
>
> ...anyone have tried and tested code, sample, or a link?
>
> William
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Feb  8 01:01:54 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 08:01:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
Message-ID: <sb6fc50e.059@cactus.dk>

Hi William

I may be missing something - have never worked with Gantt charts this way - but if your requirements are really basic, what holds you from adjusting the begin points and heights and widths of a series of coloured rectangles, labels, or textboxes? I know that Gantt charts generally are more than this but then you need to explain what "basic" implies here.

/gustav


>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 07-02-2010 19:14 >>>
gustav

...thanks ...one of the first items I found binging around ...it works as a 
report but apparently not as a form unless you know some magic trick I don't 
:)

William
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:38 AM
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

> Hi William
>
> Couldn't you use a stack of rectangles you resize according to the data?
> Here's an example by Duane Hookom for a report - could be adopted for a 
> form, I guess:
>
> http://www.access.hookom.net/Samples.htm 
>
> It's the Calendar Reports sample at the top.
> Some discussion of this can be found here:
>
> http://g.www.ms.akadns.net/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.access.reports&tid=1f382f4b-60e9-429c-b96c-67b3b78f9bcc&cat=en_US_440664bc-4ba9-45ac-a263-75b2adc68568&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=&p=1 
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 07-02-2010 01:33 >>>
> ...I need to produce a relatively simple tasking Gantt chart on a form,
> preferably with native Access (2003).
>
> ...I've binged all about and come up with nothing but a very complicated
> report format, a linked Excel chart, or a variety of 3rd party ocx controls
> which require per user licensing, none of which I want to use ...this needs
> to run reliably in a runtime environment and work in an Access form.
>
> ...I've also looked at the Microsoft Chart control and the PivotView without
> success.
>
> ...anyone have tried and tested code, sample, or a link?
>
> William




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Feb  8 06:58:51 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 07:58:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <sb6fc50e.059@cactus.dk>
References: <sb6fc50e.059@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0D34AE65B44B4DBD9BA4B13D9DF83869@jislaptopdev>

...and I may just do that gustav ...there is a font designed specifically 
for that purpose that I've found while binging around ...but I'm still 
hoping that someone here has already done this ...its just Monday morning 
:))))

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 2:01 AM
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

> Hi William
>
> I may be missing something - have never worked with Gantt charts this 
> way - but if your requirements are really basic, what holds you from 
> adjusting the begin points and heights and widths of a series of coloured 
> rectangles, labels, or textboxes? I know that Gantt charts generally are 
> more than this but then you need to explain what "basic" implies here.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 07-02-2010 19:14 >>>
> gustav
>
> ...thanks ...one of the first items I found binging around ...it works as 
> a
> report but apparently not as a form unless you know some magic trick I 
> don't
> :)
>
> William
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:38 AM
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
>
>> Hi William
>>
>> Couldn't you use a stack of rectangles you resize according to the data?
>> Here's an example by Duane Hookom for a report - could be adopted for a
>> form, I guess:
>>
>> http://www.access.hookom.net/Samples.htm
>>
>> It's the Calendar Reports sample at the top.
>> Some discussion of this can be found here:
>>
>> http://g.www.ms.akadns.net/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.access.reports&tid=1f382f4b-60e9-429c-b96c-67b3b78f9bcc&cat=en_US_440664bc-4ba9-45ac-a263-75b2adc68568&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=&p=1
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 07-02-2010 01:33 >>>
>> ...I need to produce a relatively simple tasking Gantt chart on a form,
>> preferably with native Access (2003).
>>
>> ...I've binged all about and come up with nothing but a very complicated
>> report format, a linked Excel chart, or a variety of 3rd party ocx 
>> controls
>> which require per user licensing, none of which I want to use ...this 
>> needs
>> to run reliably in a runtime environment and work in an Access form.
>>
>> ...I've also looked at the Microsoft Chart control and the PivotView 
>> without
>> success.
>>
>> ...anyone have tried and tested code, sample, or a link?
>>
>> William
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Feb  8 09:05:36 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:05:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
Message-ID: <sb703662.074@cactus.dk>

Hi William

A Font Gantt? Interesting. Sounds "advanced" contrary to "basic".
You could write a class for this. AddBar(), InsertBar(index) and so on ...

/gustav


>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 08-02-2010 13:58 >>>
...and I may just do that gustav ...there is a font designed specifically 
for that purpose that I've found while binging around ...but I'm still 
hoping that someone here has already done this ...its just Monday morning 
:))))

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 2:01 AM
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

> Hi William
>
> I may be missing something - have never worked with Gantt charts this 
> way - but if your requirements are really basic, what holds you from 
> adjusting the begin points and heights and widths of a series of coloured 
> rectangles, labels, or textboxes? I know that Gantt charts generally are 
> more than this but then you need to explain what "basic" implies here.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 07-02-2010 19:14 >>>
> gustav
>
> ...thanks ...one of the first items I found binging around ...it works as a
> report but apparently not as a form unless you know some magic trick I don't
> :)
>
> William
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:38 AM
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
>
>> Hi William
>>
>> Couldn't you use a stack of rectangles you resize according to the data?
>> Here's an example by Duane Hookom for a report - could be adopted for a
>> form, I guess:
>>
>> http://www.access.hookom.net/Samples.htm 
>>
>> It's the Calendar Reports sample at the top.
>> Some discussion of this can be found here:
>>
>> http://g.www.ms.akadns.net/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.access.reports&tid=1f382f4b-60e9-429c-b96c-67b3b78f9bcc&cat=en_US_440664bc-4ba9-45ac-a263-75b2adc68568&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=&p=1 
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 07-02-2010 01:33 >>>
>> ...I need to produce a relatively simple tasking Gantt chart on a form,
>> preferably with native Access (2003).
>>
>> ...I've binged all about and come up with nothing but a very complicated
>> report format, a linked Excel chart, or a variety of 3rd party ocx controls
>> which require per user licensing, none of which I want to use ...this needs
>> to run reliably in a runtime environment and work in an Access form.
>>
>> ...I've also looked at the Microsoft Chart control and the PivotView without
>> success.
>>
>> ...anyone have tried and tested code, sample, or a link?
>>
>> William





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Feb  8 10:00:52 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:00:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <775857B8FA274C13A415206D88B8CF52@jislaptopdev>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk><73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev>
	<4dd71a0c1002071048x3fa8f065ud15023f3b4aaa321@mail.gmail.com>
	<775857B8FA274C13A415206D88B8CF52@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E364BC49A@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

How about embedding a report in a form?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

Doug

...love to, but that would pretty quickly run into the max controls per form 
limit.
...at 365 days per year I'd be limited to two employees at the most.
...and that's not counting other controls added/deleted over the form 
lifetime.

...I've thought about using the flexgrid but that means another ocx that has 
to be registered and updated on every system.
...I'd much prefer doing this in native access 2k3 if possible.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Doug Steele" <dbdoug at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:48 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

> Could you use rows of multiple short textboxes and set the background 
> color
> as necessary in code?
>
> Doug
>
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:14 AM, William Hindman <
> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
>> gustav
>>
>> ...thanks ...one of the first items I found binging around ...it works as 
>> a
>> report but apparently not as a form unless you know some magic trick I
>> don't
>> :)
>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Feb  8 10:26:53 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:26:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two levels up (or down) , twice removed
In-Reply-To: <4B6D6F35.2288.1C27F5A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4B690198.9010705@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4B69E7FA.25609.E5F9825@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<E91096A0E523469FBEC6C659964D89C4@XPS>
	<4B6D6F35.2288.1C27F5A7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4B703B4D.5040605@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks for the demo.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> I'll try to explain it more clearly. 
> 
> The topmost form is an unbound form - frmWrapper
> frmParent, frmChild and frmGrandchild are all subforms on frmWrapper.
> txtParentLink and txtChildLink are controls on frmWrapper.
> 
> The Source of txtParentLink is set to =frmParent!Form.PK
> The Source of txtChildLink is set to =frmChild!Form.PK
> 
> The Link Master Fields of frmChild is set to =txtParentLink
> The Link Master Fields of the frmGrandchild is set to =txtChildLink
> 
> Now change the current record in frmParent:
> txtParentLink automatically updates to the new Parent.PK
> frmChild automatically requeries based on the new content of txtParentLink (frmParent,PK)
> txtChildLink automatically updates to the new Child.PK.
> frmGrandchild automatically requeries based on the new content of txtChildLink(frmChild.PK)
> 
> It all happens without any on_current code.
> 
> I can put a simple demo up on-line if you like.


From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Feb  8 12:00:24 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:00:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E364BC49A@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk><73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev><4dd71a0c1002071048x3fa8f065ud15023f3b4aaa321@mail.gmail.com><775857B8FA274C13A415206D88B8CF52@jislaptopdev>
	<AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E364BC49A@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <A7AF9FBF86664A0BB83DC02232BFBBCD@jislaptopdev>

Charlotte

...that remains an option but I generally don't like embedded reports in 
runtime installs ...not just the appearance of them but they're fragile as 
well ime ...but I'm not dismissing it if I can't come up with a form 
approach that works.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 11:00 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

> How about embedding a report in a form?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
>
> Doug
>
> ...love to, but that would pretty quickly run into the max controls per 
> form
> limit.
> ...at 365 days per year I'd be limited to two employees at the most.
> ...and that's not counting other controls added/deleted over the form
> lifetime.
>
> ...I've thought about using the flexgrid but that means another ocx that 
> has
> to be registered and updated on every system.
> ...I'd much prefer doing this in native access 2k3 if possible.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Doug Steele" <dbdoug at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:48 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
>
>> Could you use rows of multiple short textboxes and set the background
>> color
>> as necessary in code?
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:14 AM, William Hindman <
>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>>
>>> gustav
>>>
>>> ...thanks ...one of the first items I found binging around ...it works 
>>> as
>>> a
>>> report but apparently not as a form unless you know some magic trick I
>>> don't
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
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>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 13:04:52 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:04:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk><73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev><4dd71a0c1002071048x3fa8f065ud15023f3b4aaa321@mail.gmail.com><775857B8FA274C13A415206D88B8CF52@jislaptopdev><AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E364BC49A@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
	<A7AF9FBF86664A0BB83DC02232BFBBCD@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <F28E58934C5948BABA761D4F4226FCB9@SusanOne>

William, I am so sorry... years ago I wrote about this in Inside Microsoft 
Access. Those old issues are packed up in my daughter's basement and they're 
not online, as far as I know. I did a google search, just in case. :(

AIR...it was an extremely simple formula using Chr() -- I just don't 
remember how I repeated that function that appropriate number of times. It 
was... as you and JC would put it... dead simple.

If anyone has access to those old issues of IMA, maybe they might look it 
up -- would've been pre 1998.

Susan H.


> Charlotte
>
> ...that remains an option but I generally don't like embedded reports in
> runtime installs ...not just the appearance of them but they're fragile as
> well ime ...but I'm not dismissing it if I can't come up with a form
> approach that works.
>
> William



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Feb  8 14:26:17 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:26:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <F28E58934C5948BABA761D4F4226FCB9@SusanOne>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk><73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev><4dd71a0c1002071048x3fa8f065ud15023f3b4aaa321@mail.gmail.com><775857B8FA274C13A415206D88B8CF52@jislaptopdev><AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E364BC49A@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com><A7AF9FBF86664A0BB83DC02232BFBBCD@jislaptopdev>
	<F28E58934C5948BABA761D4F4226FCB9@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <E0273B70BD78491DB1E4106E84E3729B@jislaptopdev>

...thanks Susan ...would love to find a copy ..."dead simple" can be a royal 
pita to me :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 2:04 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

> William, I am so sorry... years ago I wrote about this in Inside Microsoft
> Access. Those old issues are packed up in my daughter's basement and 
> they're
> not online, as far as I know. I did a google search, just in case. :(
>
> AIR...it was an extremely simple formula using Chr() -- I just don't
> remember how I repeated that function that appropriate number of times. It
> was... as you and JC would put it... dead simple.
>
> If anyone has access to those old issues of IMA, maybe they might look it
> up -- would've been pre 1998.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> Charlotte
>>
>> ...that remains an option but I generally don't like embedded reports in
>> runtime installs ...not just the appearance of them but they're fragile 
>> as
>> well ime ...but I'm not dismissing it if I can't come up with a form
>> approach that works.
>>
>> William
>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Feb  8 15:19:07 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 00:19:07 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
Message-ID: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru>

Hi All -

 

I have got the subject license (http://www.add-in-express.com/add-in-net/ )
and I wanted to try Add-In Express to develop a sample add-in - Access
Developer Assistant, which will do a few useful things for Access
Developers.

 

I have got already developed a very simple sample MS Access add-in just to
test how it all works - so far so good - it gets installed well and it's
running in general but I have got a few questions to ask Add-In Express
Developers on their site before I will make this sample add-in publicly
available.

 

I'm interested to hear your opinions and proposals what simple everyday
tasks you wanted to see automated within the sample add-in? - that could be
any tasks including VBA coding generation/automation. I plan to post here
(or in dba-VB? - that will be C# code) most of the code of the sample
add-in.

 

Good news about Add-In Express is that MS Office/Access add-ins developed
using this tool could be made MS Office/Access version independent.

 

Thank you.

 

--

Shamil

 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Feb  8 15:46:24 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:46:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <830946FFFCC84FB697BEB726ED972528@danwaters>

Hi Shamil,

How about something like Decompile/Compile?

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 3:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi All -

 

I have got the subject license (http://www.add-in-express.com/add-in-net/ )
and I wanted to try Add-In Express to develop a sample add-in - Access
Developer Assistant, which will do a few useful things for Access
Developers.

 

I have got already developed a very simple sample MS Access add-in just to
test how it all works - so far so good - it gets installed well and it's
running in general but I have got a few questions to ask Add-In Express
Developers on their site before I will make this sample add-in publicly
available.

 

I'm interested to hear your opinions and proposals what simple everyday
tasks you wanted to see automated within the sample add-in? - that could be
any tasks including VBA coding generation/automation. I plan to post here
(or in dba-VB? - that will be C# code) most of the code of the sample
add-in.

 

Good news about Add-In Express is that MS Office/Access add-ins developed
using this tool could be made MS Office/Access version independent.

 

Thank you.

 

--

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Feb  8 16:09:40 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:09:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <F28E58934C5948BABA761D4F4226FCB9@SusanOne>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk>,
	<F28E58934C5948BABA761D4F4226FCB9@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4B708BA4.13615.284F2139@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Of course! <slaps self on forehead>

Just use a block character with a fixed width font in a text string:

Create a stack of text boxes each of which runs across the full form. 
Set the font to Courier New (a fixed width, unicode font).  
Set the font colours of the textboxes to different values if you want different coloured lines.

Create the following function.

Function Plot(startpos As Long, endpos As Long) As String
  If Nz(startpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
  If Nz(endpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
  If endpos < startpos Then Exit Function
  Plot = IIf(startpos > 1, Space$(startpos - 1), "") & String$(endpos - startpos + 1, 
ChrW(&H2588))
End Function

To display a line running from Day 3 to Day 5 in the first row:
  txtLine1 = Plot(3,5)

You can also use the shaded unicode characters
&H2591 - &H2593 to get more variety.

-- 
Stuart


On 8 Feb 2010 at 14:04, Susan Harkins wrote:

> William, I am so sorry... years ago I wrote about this in Inside Microsoft 
> Access. Those old issues are packed up in my daughter's basement and they're 
> not online, as far as I know. I did a google search, just in case. :(
> 
> AIR...it was an extremely simple formula using Chr() -- I just don't 
> remember how I repeated that function that appropriate number of times. It 
> was... as you and JC would put it... dead simple.
> 
> If anyone has access to those old issues of IMA, maybe they might look it 
> up -- would've been pre 1998.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > Charlotte
> >
> > ...that remains an option but I generally don't like embedded reports in
> > runtime installs ...not just the appearance of them but they're fragile as
> > well ime ...but I'm not dismissing it if I can't come up with a form
> > approach that works.
> >
> > William
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Feb  8 16:29:48 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 01:29:48 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <830946FFFCC84FB697BEB726ED972528@danwaters>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru>
	<830946FFFCC84FB697BEB726ED972528@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000601caa90e$3a110270$ae330750$@spb.ru>

Hi Dan --

OK.

Thank you.

--Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Shamil,

How about something like Decompile/Compile?

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 3:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi All -

 

I have got the subject license (http://www.add-in-express.com/add-in-net/ )
and I wanted to try Add-In Express to develop a sample add-in - Access
Developer Assistant, which will do a few useful things for Access
Developers.

 

I have got already developed a very simple sample MS Access add-in just to
test how it all works - so far so good - it gets installed well and it's
running in general but I have got a few questions to ask Add-In Express
Developers on their site before I will make this sample add-in publicly
available.

 

I'm interested to hear your opinions and proposals what simple everyday
tasks you wanted to see automated within the sample add-in? - that could be
any tasks including VBA coding generation/automation. I plan to post here
(or in dba-VB? - that will be C# code) most of the code of the sample
add-in.

 

Good news about Add-In Express is that MS Office/Access add-ins developed
using this tool could be made MS Office/Access version independent.

 

Thank you.

 

--

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Feb  8 16:40:17 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:40:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query
Message-ID: <056D72A2F6934816875B1692DBBD00EB@HAL9005>

Dear List:

I am trying to write an update query to transfer addresses in multiple
fields from one table to an address field in a second table which is a memo
field.

I put Expr1: [fldVendorAddress1] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress2] &
Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress3] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) &
[fldVendorZipCode] &  Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorCountry] as the field in
the QBE grid.

but in the target table there are no hard carriage returns as I would expect
from & Chr(10 & Chr1(13). Even as a select query the results are all
concatenated.

Is there a trick to this?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Feb  8 16:46:59 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:46:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query
In-Reply-To: <056D72A2F6934816875B1692DBBD00EB@HAL9005>
References: <056D72A2F6934816875B1692DBBD00EB@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4B709463.16083.28714C8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It should be 13,10 - not 10,13

-- 
Stuart

On 8 Feb 2010 at 14:40, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
> 
> I am trying to write an update query to transfer addresses in multiple
> fields from one table to an address field in a second table which is a memo
> field.
> 
> I put Expr1: [fldVendorAddress1] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress2] &
> Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress3] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) &
> [fldVendorZipCode] &  Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorCountry] as the field in
> the QBE grid.
> 
> but in the target table there are no hard carriage returns as I would expect
> from & Chr(10 & Chr1(13). Even as a select query the results are all
> concatenated.
> 
> Is there a trick to this?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> 
> Beach Access Software
> 
> 858-259-4334
> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> 
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 




From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Mon Feb  8 16:48:27 2010
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:48:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query
References: <056D72A2F6934816875B1692DBBD00EB@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F6C189CB5C534E0FA3E409467869B8F2@Gateway>

Hi Rocky,

try either chr(13) & chr(10) or /r/n

Mike Mattys

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 5:40 PM
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query


> Dear List:
>
> I am trying to write an update query to transfer addresses in multiple
> fields from one table to an address field in a second table which is a 
> memo
> field.
>
> I put Expr1: [fldVendorAddress1] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress2] 
> &
> Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress3] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) &
> [fldVendorZipCode] &  Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorCountry] as the field 
> in
> the QBE grid.
>
> but in the target table there are no hard carriage returns as I would 
> expect
> from & Chr(10 & Chr1(13). Even as a select query the results are all
> concatenated.
>
> Is there a trick to this?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
>
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 18:32:14 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:32:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk>,
	<F28E58934C5948BABA761D4F4226FCB9@SusanOne>
	<4B708BA4.13615.284F2139@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <ABAE324409AF4CE3B35D521100784DEE@SusanOne>

I didn't even use a function -- I'm sure I used an expression in a query to 
return the bar.

Susan H.

> Create the following function.
>
> Function Plot(startpos As Long, endpos As Long) As String
>  If Nz(startpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
>  If Nz(endpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
>  If endpos < startpos Then Exit Function
>  Plot = IIf(startpos > 1, Space$(startpos - 1), "") & String$(endpos - 
> startpos + 1,
> ChrW(&H2588))
> End Function



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Feb  8 18:33:10 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:33:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query
In-Reply-To: <4B709463.16083.28714C8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <056D72A2F6934816875B1692DBBD00EB@HAL9005>
	<4B709463.16083.28714C8E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <D0F295622DEC485CBB9AFB50A2345111@HAL9005>

Aw man, you're kidding.  Lemme try it.....

D'oh!  

Works perfect. 

I've been using vbCrLf so long, I forgot the order. 

Thank you.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 2:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query

It should be 13,10 - not 10,13

--
Stuart

On 8 Feb 2010 at 14:40, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
> 
> I am trying to write an update query to transfer addresses in multiple 
> fields from one table to an address field in a second table which is a 
> memo field.
> 
> I put Expr1: [fldVendorAddress1] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) & 
> [fldVendorAddress2] &
> Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress3] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) & 
> [fldVendorZipCode] &  Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorCountry] as the 
> field in the QBE grid.
> 
> but in the target table there are no hard carriage returns as I would 
> expect from & Chr(10 & Chr1(13). Even as a select query the results 
> are all concatenated.
> 
> Is there a trick to this?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> 
> Beach Access Software
> 
> 858-259-4334
> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> 
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Feb  8 18:48:53 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:48:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query
In-Reply-To: <056D72A2F6934816875B1692DBBD00EB@HAL9005>
References: <056D72A2F6934816875B1692DBBD00EB@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <DDC96556764440D98377E39F25AAE94D@danwaters>

Hi Rocky,

There's an easier parameter --> vbNewLine

Use this in place of chr(10) & chr(13).

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query

Dear List:

I am trying to write an update query to transfer addresses in multiple
fields from one table to an address field in a second table which is a memo
field.

I put Expr1: [fldVendorAddress1] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress2] &
Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress3] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) &
[fldVendorZipCode] &  Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorCountry] as the field in
the QBE grid.

but in the target table there are no hard carriage returns as I would expect
from & Chr(10 & Chr1(13). Even as a select query the results are all
concatenated.

Is there a trick to this?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Feb  8 18:51:15 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:51:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <ABAE324409AF4CE3B35D521100784DEE@SusanOne>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk>,
	<ABAE324409AF4CE3B35D521100784DEE@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4B70B183.1431.28E31470@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Apart from the error checking, my function is just a single expression which you could use in 
a query:

=IIf([startpos] > 1, Space$([startpos] - 1), "") & String$([endpos] - [startpos] + 1, 
ChrW(&H2588))

-- 
Stuart

On 8 Feb 2010 at 19:32, Susan Harkins wrote:

> I didn't even use a function -- I'm sure I used an expression in a query to 
> return the bar.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> > Create the following function.
> >
> > Function Plot(startpos As Long, endpos As Long) As String
> >  If Nz(startpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
> >  If Nz(endpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
> >  If endpos < startpos Then Exit Function
> >  Plot = 
> > End Function
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Feb  8 19:04:14 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:04:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query
In-Reply-To: <F6C189CB5C534E0FA3E409467869B8F2@Gateway>
References: <056D72A2F6934816875B1692DBBD00EB@HAL9005>
	<F6C189CB5C534E0FA3E409467869B8F2@Gateway>
Message-ID: <C50C5978F32F43C58D1E12704EA89FB8@HAL9005>

Ouch! I dope slapped myself. 

13, 10 

You are correct, sir.

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query

Hi Rocky,

try either chr(13) & chr(10) or /r/n

Mike Mattys

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 5:40 PM
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query


> Dear List:
>
> I am trying to write an update query to transfer addresses in multiple
> fields from one table to an address field in a second table which is a 
> memo
> field.
>
> I put Expr1: [fldVendorAddress1] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress2]

> &
> Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress3] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) &
> [fldVendorZipCode] &  Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorCountry] as the field 
> in
> the QBE grid.
>
> but in the target table there are no hard carriage returns as I would 
> expect
> from & Chr(10 & Chr1(13). Even as a select query the results are all
> concatenated.
>
> Is there a trick to this?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
>
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Feb  8 19:05:04 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:05:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query
In-Reply-To: <DDC96556764440D98377E39F25AAE94D@danwaters>
References: <056D72A2F6934816875B1692DBBD00EB@HAL9005>
	<DDC96556764440D98377E39F25AAE94D@danwaters>
Message-ID: <10083E919BFC41D9A1B2BCE4E2618424@HAL9005>

But will it work in the field name of the QBE?  vbCrLf didn't.  And therein
lay the problem.  For seniors.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query

Hi Rocky,

There's an easier parameter --> vbNewLine

Use this in place of chr(10) & chr(13).

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query

Dear List:

I am trying to write an update query to transfer addresses in multiple
fields from one table to an address field in a second table which is a memo
field.

I put Expr1: [fldVendorAddress1] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress2] &
Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress3] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) &
[fldVendorZipCode] &  Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorCountry] as the field in
the QBE grid.

but in the target table there are no hard carriage returns as I would expect
from & Chr(10 & Chr1(13). Even as a select query the results are all
concatenated.

Is there a trick to this?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Feb  8 19:09:34 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:09:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query
In-Reply-To: <10083E919BFC41D9A1B2BCE4E2618424@HAL9005>
References: <056D72A2F6934816875B1692DBBD00EB@HAL9005><DDC96556764440D98377E39F25AAE94D@danwaters>
	<10083E919BFC41D9A1B2BCE4E2618424@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <544013AA19E44B40A9B22DF4FFC7C70F@danwaters>

Nope - won't work there.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query

But will it work in the field name of the QBE?  vbCrLf didn't.  And therein
lay the problem.  For seniors.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query

Hi Rocky,

There's an easier parameter --> vbNewLine

Use this in place of chr(10) & chr(13).

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query

Dear List:

I am trying to write an update query to transfer addresses in multiple
fields from one table to an address field in a second table which is a memo
field.

I put Expr1: [fldVendorAddress1] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress2] &
Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress3] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) &
[fldVendorZipCode] &  Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorCountry] as the field in
the QBE grid.

but in the target table there are no hard carriage returns as I would expect
from & Chr(10 & Chr1(13). Even as a select query the results are all
concatenated.

Is there a trick to this?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Feb  8 19:45:27 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:45:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query
In-Reply-To: <DDC96556764440D98377E39F25AAE94D@danwaters>
References: <056D72A2F6934816875B1692DBBD00EB@HAL9005>,
	<DDC96556764440D98377E39F25AAE94D@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4B70BE37.20283.2914B236@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

There are places where you can't use VBA intrinsic constants and have to use Chr$(13) & 
chr$(10).  In a query is one such.

-- 
Stuart

On 8 Feb 2010 at 18:48, Dan Waters wrote:

> Hi Rocky,
> 
> There's an easier parameter --> vbNewLine
> 
> Use this in place of chr(10) & chr(13).
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:40 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> I am trying to write an update query to transfer addresses in multiple
> fields from one table to an address field in a second table which is a memo
> field.
> 
> I put Expr1: [fldVendorAddress1] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress2] &
> Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress3] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) &
> [fldVendorZipCode] &  Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorCountry] as the field in
> the QBE grid.
> 
> but in the target table there are no hard carriage returns as I would expect
> from & Chr(10 & Chr1(13). Even as a select query the results are all
> concatenated.
> 
> Is there a trick to this?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> 
> Beach Access Software
> 
> 858-259-4334
> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> 
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Feb  8 19:48:13 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:48:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <4B708BA4.13615.284F2139@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk>,
	<F28E58934C5948BABA761D4F4226FCB9@SusanOne>
	<4B708BA4.13615.284F2139@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <27C72B4A748E4041BA4B407D9EAF2E2C@jislaptopdev>

http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0055.htm has a much better font for this 
than Courier New

...but I will certainly give your code a spin ...thanks :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 5:09 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

> Of course! <slaps self on forehead>
>
> Just use a block character with a fixed width font in a text string:
>
> Create a stack of text boxes each of which runs across the full form.
> Set the font to Courier New (a fixed width, unicode font).
> Set the font colours of the textboxes to different values if you want 
> different coloured lines.
>
> Create the following function.
>
> Function Plot(startpos As Long, endpos As Long) As String
>  If Nz(startpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
>  If Nz(endpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
>  If endpos < startpos Then Exit Function
>  Plot = IIf(startpos > 1, Space$(startpos - 1), "") & String$(endpos - 
> startpos + 1,
> ChrW(&H2588))
> End Function
>
> To display a line running from Day 3 to Day 5 in the first row:
>  txtLine1 = Plot(3,5)
>
> You can also use the shaded unicode characters
> &H2591 - &H2593 to get more variety.
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
>
> On 8 Feb 2010 at 14:04, Susan Harkins wrote:
>
>> William, I am so sorry... years ago I wrote about this in Inside 
>> Microsoft
>> Access. Those old issues are packed up in my daughter's basement and 
>> they're
>> not online, as far as I know. I did a google search, just in case. :(
>>
>> AIR...it was an extremely simple formula using Chr() -- I just don't
>> remember how I repeated that function that appropriate number of times. 
>> It
>> was... as you and JC would put it... dead simple.
>>
>> If anyone has access to those old issues of IMA, maybe they might look it
>> up -- would've been pre 1998.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>> > Charlotte
>> >
>> > ...that remains an option but I generally don't like embedded reports 
>> > in
>> > runtime installs ...not just the appearance of them but they're fragile 
>> > as
>> > well ime ...but I'm not dismissing it if I can't come up with a form
>> > approach that works.
>> >
>> > William
>>
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From joeo at appoli.com  Mon Feb  8 21:20:31 2010
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 22:20:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query
In-Reply-To: <10083E919BFC41D9A1B2BCE4E2618424@HAL9005>
References: <056D72A2F6934816875B1692DBBD00EB@HAL9005><DDC96556764440D98377E39F25AAE94D@danwaters>
	<10083E919BFC41D9A1B2BCE4E2618424@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C0234A261F@exch2.Onappsad.net>

Rocky,

Another way is to have a function that formats the address.  This allows
for more flexibility of screening out empty fields, include/exclude
country, formatting zip code for both 5 digit and 9 digit values, etc.
Just call the function and pass the values as parameters in the QBE.

Expr1: FormatAddres([fldVendorAddress1], [fldVendorAddress2],
[fldVendorAddress3], [fldVendorZipCode], [fldVendorCountry])

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query

But will it work in the field name of the QBE?  vbCrLf didn't.  And
therein
lay the problem.  For seniors.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query

Hi Rocky,

There's an easier parameter --> vbNewLine

Use this in place of chr(10) & chr(13).

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query

Dear List:

I am trying to write an update query to transfer addresses in multiple
fields from one table to an address field in a second table which is a
memo
field.

I put Expr1: [fldVendorAddress1] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) &
[fldVendorAddress2] &
Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress3] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) &
[fldVendorZipCode] &  Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorCountry] as the
field in
the QBE grid.

but in the target table there are no hard carriage returns as I would
expect
from & Chr(10 & Chr1(13). Even as a select query the results are all
concatenated.

Is there a trick to this?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Feb  8 21:35:37 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:35:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <27C72B4A748E4041BA4B407D9EAF2E2C@jislaptopdev>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk>,
	<4B708BA4.13615.284F2139@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<27C72B4A748E4041BA4B407D9EAF2E2C@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4B70D809.16749.29798D3B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

The advantage of using Courier New is that it is a standard Windows font.  You don't need to 
worry about installing extra fonts on every machine that will use application.

-- 
Stuart 

On 8 Feb 2010 at 20:48, William Hindman wrote:

> http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0055.htm has a much better font for this 
> than Courier New
> 
> ...but I will certainly give your code a spin ...thanks :)
> 
> William
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 5:09 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
> 
> > Of course! <slaps self on forehead>
> >
> > Just use a block character with a fixed width font in a text string:
> >
> > Create a stack of text boxes each of which runs across the full form.
> > Set the font to Courier New (a fixed width, unicode font).
> > Set the font colours of the textboxes to different values if you want 
> > different coloured lines.
> >
> > Create the following function.
> >
> > Function Plot(startpos As Long, endpos As Long) As String
> >  If Nz(startpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
> >  If Nz(endpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
> >  If endpos < startpos Then Exit Function
> >  Plot = IIf(startpos > 1, Space$(startpos - 1), "") & String$(endpos - 
> > startpos + 1,
> > ChrW(&H2588))
> > End Function
> >
> > To display a line running from Day 3 to Day 5 in the first row:
> >  txtLine1 = Plot(3,5)
> >
> > You can also use the shaded unicode characters
> > &H2591 - &H2593 to get more variety.
> >
> > -- 
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > On 8 Feb 2010 at 14:04, Susan Harkins wrote:
> >
> >> William, I am so sorry... years ago I wrote about this in Inside 
> >> Microsoft
> >> Access. Those old issues are packed up in my daughter's basement and 
> >> they're
> >> not online, as far as I know. I did a google search, just in case. :(
> >>
> >> AIR...it was an extremely simple formula using Chr() -- I just don't
> >> remember how I repeated that function that appropriate number of times. 
> >> It
> >> was... as you and JC would put it... dead simple.
> >>
> >> If anyone has access to those old issues of IMA, maybe they might look it
> >> up -- would've been pre 1998.
> >>
> >> Susan H.
> >>
> >>
> >> > Charlotte
> >> >
> >> > ...that remains an option but I generally don't like embedded reports 
> >> > in
> >> > runtime installs ...not just the appearance of them but they're fragile 
> >> > as
> >> > well ime ...but I'm not dismissing it if I can't come up with a form
> >> > approach that works.
> >> >
> >> > William
> >>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Feb  8 23:07:53 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:07:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query
In-Reply-To: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C0234A261F@exch2.Onappsad.net>
References: <056D72A2F6934816875B1692DBBD00EB@HAL9005><DDC96556764440D98377E39F25AAE94D@danwaters><10083E919BFC41D9A1B2BCE4E2618424@HAL9005>
	<1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C0234A261F@exch2.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <247501E3A84747F29E341C2CF89540F7@HAL9005>

True. This is a one-shot so I was looking for the Q&D approach.  The
function would give a better result though.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe O'Connell
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query

Rocky,

Another way is to have a function that formats the address.  This allows for
more flexibility of screening out empty fields, include/exclude country,
formatting zip code for both 5 digit and 9 digit values, etc.
Just call the function and pass the values as parameters in the QBE.

Expr1: FormatAddres([fldVendorAddress1], [fldVendorAddress2],
[fldVendorAddress3], [fldVendorZipCode], [fldVendorCountry])

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query

But will it work in the field name of the QBE?  vbCrLf didn't.  And therein
lay the problem.  For seniors.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query

Hi Rocky,

There's an easier parameter --> vbNewLine

Use this in place of chr(10) & chr(13).

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] hard carriage return in query

Dear List:

I am trying to write an update query to transfer addresses in multiple
fields from one table to an address field in a second table which is a memo
field.

I put Expr1: [fldVendorAddress1] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress2] &
Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorAddress3] & Chr(10) & Chr(13) &
[fldVendorZipCode] &  Chr(10) & Chr(13) & [fldVendorCountry] as the field in
the QBE grid.

but in the target table there are no hard carriage returns as I would expect
from & Chr(10 & Chr1(13). Even as a select query the results are all
concatenated.

Is there a trick to this?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Feb  8 23:35:16 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 00:35:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <4B70D809.16749.29798D3B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk>,
	<4B708BA4.13615.284F2139@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<27C72B4A748E4041BA4B407D9EAF2E2C@jislaptopdev>
	<4B70D809.16749.29798D3B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <03E316E8B0124C3F8E6014DFBE48CC6A@jislaptopdev>

...quite true, but my install takes care of that ...the disadvantage of 
Courier New is that it has a very limited box selection and they are not 
full size ...use it in a text box and you will see a narrow line in the 
background color at the top ...LABOX otoh has a very wide selection of full 
sized boxes in a well designed combination of standardized widths, as well 
as different sized heights/widths, that make it ideal for gantt type 
displays ...install it and take a look at the difference.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:35 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

> The advantage of using Courier New is that it is a standard Windows font. 
> You don't need to
> worry about installing extra fonts on every machine that will use 
> application.
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
> On 8 Feb 2010 at 20:48, William Hindman wrote:
>
>> http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0055.htm has a much better font for 
>> this
>> than Courier New
>>
>> ...but I will certainly give your code a spin ...thanks :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 5:09 PM
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
>>
>> > Of course! <slaps self on forehead>
>> >
>> > Just use a block character with a fixed width font in a text string:
>> >
>> > Create a stack of text boxes each of which runs across the full form.
>> > Set the font to Courier New (a fixed width, unicode font).
>> > Set the font colours of the textboxes to different values if you want
>> > different coloured lines.
>> >
>> > Create the following function.
>> >
>> > Function Plot(startpos As Long, endpos As Long) As String
>> >  If Nz(startpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
>> >  If Nz(endpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
>> >  If endpos < startpos Then Exit Function
>> >  Plot = IIf(startpos > 1, Space$(startpos - 1), "") & String$(endpos -
>> > startpos + 1,
>> > ChrW(&H2588))
>> > End Function
>> >
>> > To display a line running from Day 3 to Day 5 in the first row:
>> >  txtLine1 = Plot(3,5)
>> >
>> > You can also use the shaded unicode characters
>> > &H2591 - &H2593 to get more variety.
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > Stuart
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8 Feb 2010 at 14:04, Susan Harkins wrote:
>> >
>> >> William, I am so sorry... years ago I wrote about this in Inside
>> >> Microsoft
>> >> Access. Those old issues are packed up in my daughter's basement and
>> >> they're
>> >> not online, as far as I know. I did a google search, just in case. :(
>> >>
>> >> AIR...it was an extremely simple formula using Chr() -- I just don't
>> >> remember how I repeated that function that appropriate number of 
>> >> times.
>> >> It
>> >> was... as you and JC would put it... dead simple.
>> >>
>> >> If anyone has access to those old issues of IMA, maybe they might look 
>> >> it
>> >> up -- would've been pre 1998.
>> >>
>> >> Susan H.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Charlotte
>> >> >
>> >> > ...that remains an option but I generally don't like embedded 
>> >> > reports
>> >> > in
>> >> > runtime installs ...not just the appearance of them but they're 
>> >> > fragile
>> >> > as
>> >> > well ime ...but I'm not dismissing it if I can't come up with a form
>> >> > approach that works.
>> >> >
>> >> > William
>> >>
>> >> -- 
>> >> AccessD mailing list
>> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Feb  9 06:41:51 2010
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 23:41:51 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Where can I download 'EatBloat' from?
Message-ID: <4508B9DD7EDC45AE9E1E67107A5AA719@darrendPC>

Hi Team

 

What's the URL for downloading Max's version of (or the dBAdvisor's updated
version of ) EatBloat?

 

Thanks in advance

Darren

 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Feb  9 06:48:17 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 07:48:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>

Shamil

...second the decompile ...but an add-in should take it through the entire 
multi-step procedure to get back to a compiled/compacted state

...might be an ideal place to standardize Max's Eat Bloat code

...I'd love to have an add-in that let me easily configure the property 
settings of any mdb
    multiple configs would be nice, one for design mode work, one for 
pre-deployment as an mde, etc

...there are so many add-ins that standardizing on a single AccessD version 
would be sweet
    V-Tools and MZTools are the ones I use most ...love the way MZTools just 
works in the VBE

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:19 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> Hi All -
>
>
>
> I have got the subject license 
> (http://www.add-in-express.com/add-in-net/ )
> and I wanted to try Add-In Express to develop a sample add-in - Access
> Developer Assistant, which will do a few useful things for Access
> Developers.
>
>
>
> I have got already developed a very simple sample MS Access add-in just to
> test how it all works - so far so good - it gets installed well and it's
> running in general but I have got a few questions to ask Add-In Express
> Developers on their site before I will make this sample add-in publicly
> available.
>
>
>
> I'm interested to hear your opinions and proposals what simple everyday
> tasks you wanted to see automated within the sample add-in? - that could 
> be
> any tasks including VBA coding generation/automation. I plan to post here
> (or in dba-VB? - that will be C# code) most of the code of the sample
> add-in.
>
>
>
> Good news about Add-In Express is that MS Office/Access add-ins developed
> using this tool could be made MS Office/Access version independent.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Shamil
>
>
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 10:12:48 2010
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 11:12:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <29f585dd1002090812o2c7bba60g37df6584c91431aa@mail.gmail.com>

It looks like a very interesting product. I couldn't seem to find the
pricing however. How much does it cost?

Arthur


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Feb  9 10:25:32 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:25:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <03E316E8B0124C3F8E6014DFBE48CC6A@jislaptopdev>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk>,
	<4B708BA4.13615.284F2139@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<27C72B4A748E4041BA4B407D9EAF2E2C@jislaptopdev>
	<4B70D809.16749.29798D3B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<03E316E8B0124C3F8E6014DFBE48CC6A@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E364BC9E8@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

I seem to recall you could use wingdings for the same purpose.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

...quite true, but my install takes care of that ...the disadvantage of 
Courier New is that it has a very limited box selection and they are not 
full size ...use it in a text box and you will see a narrow line in the 
background color at the top ...LABOX otoh has a very wide selection of full 
sized boxes in a well designed combination of standardized widths, as well 
as different sized heights/widths, that make it ideal for gantt type 
displays ...install it and take a look at the difference.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:35 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

> The advantage of using Courier New is that it is a standard Windows font. 
> You don't need to
> worry about installing extra fonts on every machine that will use 
> application.
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
> On 8 Feb 2010 at 20:48, William Hindman wrote:
>
>> http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0055.htm has a much better font for 
>> this
>> than Courier New
>>
>> ...but I will certainly give your code a spin ...thanks :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 5:09 PM
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
>>
>> > Of course! <slaps self on forehead>
>> >
>> > Just use a block character with a fixed width font in a text string:
>> >
>> > Create a stack of text boxes each of which runs across the full form.
>> > Set the font to Courier New (a fixed width, unicode font).
>> > Set the font colours of the textboxes to different values if you want
>> > different coloured lines.
>> >
>> > Create the following function.
>> >
>> > Function Plot(startpos As Long, endpos As Long) As String
>> >  If Nz(startpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
>> >  If Nz(endpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
>> >  If endpos < startpos Then Exit Function
>> >  Plot = IIf(startpos > 1, Space$(startpos - 1), "") & String$(endpos -
>> > startpos + 1,
>> > ChrW(&H2588))
>> > End Function
>> >
>> > To display a line running from Day 3 to Day 5 in the first row:
>> >  txtLine1 = Plot(3,5)
>> >
>> > You can also use the shaded unicode characters
>> > &H2591 - &H2593 to get more variety.
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > Stuart
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8 Feb 2010 at 14:04, Susan Harkins wrote:
>> >
>> >> William, I am so sorry... years ago I wrote about this in Inside
>> >> Microsoft
>> >> Access. Those old issues are packed up in my daughter's basement and
>> >> they're
>> >> not online, as far as I know. I did a google search, just in case. :(
>> >>
>> >> AIR...it was an extremely simple formula using Chr() -- I just don't
>> >> remember how I repeated that function that appropriate number of 
>> >> times.
>> >> It
>> >> was... as you and JC would put it... dead simple.
>> >>
>> >> If anyone has access to those old issues of IMA, maybe they might look 
>> >> it
>> >> up -- would've been pre 1998.
>> >>
>> >> Susan H.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Charlotte
>> >> >
>> >> > ...that remains an option but I generally don't like embedded 
>> >> > reports
>> >> > in
>> >> > runtime installs ...not just the appearance of them but they're 
>> >> > fragile
>> >> > as
>> >> > well ime ...but I'm not dismissing it if I can't come up with a form
>> >> > approach that works.
>> >> >
>> >> > William
>> >>
>> >> -- 
>> >> AccessD mailing list
>> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb  9 11:35:04 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:35:04 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd1002090812o2c7bba60g37df6584c91431aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru>
	<29f585dd1002090812o2c7bba60g37df6584c91431aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001caa9ae$381fc410$a85f4c30$@spb.ru>

Hi Arthur --

Here is the pricing:

http://www.add-in-express.com/purchase/index.php

It's a bit high one might suppose but they have very good support for that
money.
Please note they do not have trial version but "30 days money back
guarantee" only...

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 7:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

It looks like a very interesting product. I couldn't seem to find the
pricing however. How much does it cost?

Arthur
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb  9 11:51:52 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:51:52 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru>
	<7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru>

Hi William --

Decompile - OK.

"Eat Bloat": it's up to Max to decide would it be worth to port his code to
a .NET COM-Add-in? In fact I worked on similar but a more advanced add-in in
1999 - this code (Application Manager) did disassemble MS Access application
databases into "MS Access object vault databases", and did build them back
from that vault with whatever configuration one needed etc.etc., and that
did solve, by the way, the bloat issue. Not sure all that advanced stuff is
needed nowadays...

<<<
I'd love to have an add-in that let me easily configure the property 
settings
>>>
Do you mean MS Access database (custom) properties? If yes - that's in my
plan already, also for MS Excel and MS Word...

<<<
there are so many add-ins that standardizing on a single AccessD version 
would be sweet
>>>
Yes, I'm thinking to maybe make this Access Developer Assistant an open
source project on CodePlex - with every new add-in being a "plug-in" to the
Access Developer Assistant add-in core. Then CodePlex will keep the stable
version of a set of small add-ins/plug-ins and everybody would be able to
use this code and to develop their own plug-ins to  test and use them
locally and then submit if they wish to the "host" Access Developer
Assistant core. That's doable but such a project needs an active group of
participants...

The "plug-ins" can be developed as separate Visual Studio (Express,
Standard, Professional,...) class-libraries using VB.NET, C#, C++/CLI....
It's not a big issue to make such a "pluggable" add-in here, and to share it
on CodePlex - it should be doable within one-two months in parallel to my
work for customers...

There are some technical questions how to "expose" "plug-ins" on MS Access
commandbars/ribbon using special XML(?) description - I must say I didn't
work with ribbon, and I do not know how this is done but that should be
doable AFAICG...

IMO very useful thing about "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" is that is
allows to create in design mode one's own commandbars/ribbons as well as to
extend standard menus/commandbars/ribbons and even extend standard popup
(right-click) MS Access IDE context menus, catch to host application events
etc. They define such extensions statically on design time - it should be
doable dynamically if needed using custom declarations of add-in core and
plug-ins...

<<<
V-Tools and MZTools are the ones I use most ...love the way MZTools just 
works in the VBE
>>>
Yes, that kind of stuff is doable - I even programmed some of similar stuff
but again this is not a work for one person if that will be an open source
project - it's very time consuming work for sure, I do know that from my
experience...

If there will be high interest here for this project I can talk to Add-In
Express owners to get a shared license to keep such a project on CodePlex
(without Add-In Express sources of course) - I suppose they (Add-In Express
owners) could be interested in such a "PR-campaign"? Although such a project
could also mean for them that they will lose some customers who will use
open source project and who will not purchase their software? 

I'm saying "shared" license, which means here that there will be a setup of
Access Developer Assistant "pluggable" core on CodePlex. And everybody would
be able to develop their own "plug-ins" to be activated from the core. But
I, of course, will not be able to share Add-In Express developer
setup/license, as that would not be accepted by Add-In Express Owners. Also,
I'm not 100% sure, would it be possible to share their MS Access/Office
version independent Primary Interop Assemblies (PIAs), which would be needed
for local development of plug-in class libraries...

I have got already sample add-in running here. I will test its setup in the
coming days, and I will make it available for download then. It doesn't do
that much - just shows About WinForm when activated from commandbar/ribbon,
and lists some database objects in a dialog box - but that's enough to test
how well setup works in "MS Access version independent" mode. BTW, Add-In
Express also has "click-once" setup their docs say. It has to be tested of
course but I'm quite sure it works well - Add-In Express company has already
got 10,000+ customers, and their support site is active and quality of
support is high...

All and every opinions on the subject, and probable Access Developer
Assistant open source project are very welcome! (I should note again - I'm
not sure yet how to "share" Add-In Express license and PIAs for an open
source project - it might be an issue blocking this probable project...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Shamil

...second the decompile ...but an add-in should take it through the entire 
multi-step procedure to get back to a compiled/compacted state

...might be an ideal place to standardize Max's Eat Bloat code

...I'd love to have an add-in that let me easily configure the property 
settings of any mdb
    multiple configs would be nice, one for design mode work, one for 
pre-deployment as an mde, etc

...there are so many add-ins that standardizing on a single AccessD version 
would be sweet
    V-Tools and MZTools are the ones I use most ...love the way MZTools just

works in the VBE

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:19 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> Hi All -
>
>
>
> I have got the subject license 
> (http://www.add-in-express.com/add-in-net/ )
> and I wanted to try Add-In Express to develop a sample add-in - Access
> Developer Assistant, which will do a few useful things for Access
> Developers.
>
>
>
> I have got already developed a very simple sample MS Access add-in just to
> test how it all works - so far so good - it gets installed well and it's
> running in general but I have got a few questions to ask Add-In Express
> Developers on their site before I will make this sample add-in publicly
> available.
>
>
>
> I'm interested to hear your opinions and proposals what simple everyday
> tasks you wanted to see automated within the sample add-in? - that could 
> be
> any tasks including VBA coding generation/automation. I plan to post here
> (or in dba-VB? - that will be C# code) most of the code of the sample
> add-in.
>
>
>
> Good news about Add-In Express is that MS Office/Access add-ins developed
> using this tool could be made MS Office/Access version independent.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Shamil
>
>





From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Feb  9 12:16:56 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:16:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E364BC9E8@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk>,
	<4B708BA4.13615.284F2139@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<27C72B4A748E4041BA4B407D9EAF2E2C@jislaptopdev><4B70D809.16749.29798D3B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><03E316E8B0124C3F8E6014DFBE48CC6A@jislaptopdev>
	<AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E364BC9E8@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <C4F7617E9C9D47F7AC478E5631BBD9E3@jislaptopdev>

...tks for the suggestion Charlotte, but again, if you're looking for a wide 
range of full sized character blocks, wingdings falls far short.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:25 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

> I seem to recall you could use wingdings for the same purpose.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:35 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
>
> ...quite true, but my install takes care of that ...the disadvantage of
> Courier New is that it has a very limited box selection and they are not
> full size ...use it in a text box and you will see a narrow line in the
> background color at the top ...LABOX otoh has a very wide selection of 
> full
> sized boxes in a well designed combination of standardized widths, as well
> as different sized heights/widths, that make it ideal for gantt type
> displays ...install it and take a look at the difference.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:35 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
>
>> The advantage of using Courier New is that it is a standard Windows font.
>> You don't need to
>> worry about installing extra fonts on every machine that will use
>> application.
>>
>> -- 
>> Stuart
>>
>> On 8 Feb 2010 at 20:48, William Hindman wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0055.htm has a much better font for
>>> this
>>> than Courier New
>>>
>>> ...but I will certainly give your code a spin ...thanks :)
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 5:09 PM
>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
>>>
>>> > Of course! <slaps self on forehead>
>>> >
>>> > Just use a block character with a fixed width font in a text string:
>>> >
>>> > Create a stack of text boxes each of which runs across the full form.
>>> > Set the font to Courier New (a fixed width, unicode font).
>>> > Set the font colours of the textboxes to different values if you want
>>> > different coloured lines.
>>> >
>>> > Create the following function.
>>> >
>>> > Function Plot(startpos As Long, endpos As Long) As String
>>> >  If Nz(startpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
>>> >  If Nz(endpos) < 1 Then Exit Function
>>> >  If endpos < startpos Then Exit Function
>>> >  Plot = IIf(startpos > 1, Space$(startpos - 1), "") & String$(endpos -
>>> > startpos + 1,
>>> > ChrW(&H2588))
>>> > End Function
>>> >
>>> > To display a line running from Day 3 to Day 5 in the first row:
>>> >  txtLine1 = Plot(3,5)
>>> >
>>> > You can also use the shaded unicode characters
>>> > &H2591 - &H2593 to get more variety.
>>> >
>>> > -- 
>>> > Stuart
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 8 Feb 2010 at 14:04, Susan Harkins wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> William, I am so sorry... years ago I wrote about this in Inside
>>> >> Microsoft
>>> >> Access. Those old issues are packed up in my daughter's basement and
>>> >> they're
>>> >> not online, as far as I know. I did a google search, just in case. :(
>>> >>
>>> >> AIR...it was an extremely simple formula using Chr() -- I just don't
>>> >> remember how I repeated that function that appropriate number of
>>> >> times.
>>> >> It
>>> >> was... as you and JC would put it... dead simple.
>>> >>
>>> >> If anyone has access to those old issues of IMA, maybe they might 
>>> >> look
>>> >> it
>>> >> up -- would've been pre 1998.
>>> >>
>>> >> Susan H.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > Charlotte
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ...that remains an option but I generally don't like embedded
>>> >> > reports
>>> >> > in
>>> >> > runtime installs ...not just the appearance of them but they're
>>> >> > fragile
>>> >> > as
>>> >> > well ime ...but I'm not dismissing it if I can't come up with a 
>>> >> > form
>>> >> > approach that works.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > William
>>> >>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Feb  9 13:00:19 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:00:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
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Shamil

...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC was 
going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is certainly 
a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do wonders 
for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest version 
just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version out 
...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.

...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new mdb 
design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but I'm 
looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple 
preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I do 
one ready to be compiled into an mde.

...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site it 
doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you 
couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex license 
would work in this case.

...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code guru 
...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for the 
next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I may 
invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me 
...still A2k3 bound :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:51 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> Hi William --
>
> Decompile - OK.
>
> "Eat Bloat": it's up to Max to decide would it be worth to port his code 
> to
> a .NET COM-Add-in? In fact I worked on similar but a more advanced add-in 
> in
> 1999 - this code (Application Manager) did disassemble MS Access 
> application
> databases into "MS Access object vault databases", and did build them back
> from that vault with whatever configuration one needed etc.etc., and that
> did solve, by the way, the bloat issue. Not sure all that advanced stuff 
> is
> needed nowadays...
>
> <<<
> I'd love to have an add-in that let me easily configure the property
> settings
>>>>
> Do you mean MS Access database (custom) properties? If yes - that's in my
> plan already, also for MS Excel and MS Word...
>
> <<<
> there are so many add-ins that standardizing on a single AccessD version
> would be sweet
>>>>
> Yes, I'm thinking to maybe make this Access Developer Assistant an open
> source project on CodePlex - with every new add-in being a "plug-in" to 
> the
> Access Developer Assistant add-in core. Then CodePlex will keep the stable
> version of a set of small add-ins/plug-ins and everybody would be able to
> use this code and to develop their own plug-ins to  test and use them
> locally and then submit if they wish to the "host" Access Developer
> Assistant core. That's doable but such a project needs an active group of
> participants...
>
> The "plug-ins" can be developed as separate Visual Studio (Express,
> Standard, Professional,...) class-libraries using VB.NET, C#, C++/CLI....
> It's not a big issue to make such a "pluggable" add-in here, and to share 
> it
> on CodePlex - it should be doable within one-two months in parallel to my
> work for customers...
>
> There are some technical questions how to "expose" "plug-ins" on MS Access
> commandbars/ribbon using special XML(?) description - I must say I didn't
> work with ribbon, and I do not know how this is done but that should be
> doable AFAICG...
>
> IMO very useful thing about "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" is that 
> is
> allows to create in design mode one's own commandbars/ribbons as well as 
> to
> extend standard menus/commandbars/ribbons and even extend standard popup
> (right-click) MS Access IDE context menus, catch to host application 
> events
> etc. They define such extensions statically on design time - it should be
> doable dynamically if needed using custom declarations of add-in core and
> plug-ins...
>
> <<<
> V-Tools and MZTools are the ones I use most ...love the way MZTools just
> works in the VBE
>>>>
> Yes, that kind of stuff is doable - I even programmed some of similar 
> stuff
> but again this is not a work for one person if that will be an open source
> project - it's very time consuming work for sure, I do know that from my
> experience...
>
> If there will be high interest here for this project I can talk to Add-In
> Express owners to get a shared license to keep such a project on CodePlex
> (without Add-In Express sources of course) - I suppose they (Add-In 
> Express
> owners) could be interested in such a "PR-campaign"? Although such a 
> project
> could also mean for them that they will lose some customers who will use
> open source project and who will not purchase their software?
>
> I'm saying "shared" license, which means here that there will be a setup 
> of
> Access Developer Assistant "pluggable" core on CodePlex. And everybody 
> would
> be able to develop their own "plug-ins" to be activated from the core. But
> I, of course, will not be able to share Add-In Express developer
> setup/license, as that would not be accepted by Add-In Express Owners. 
> Also,
> I'm not 100% sure, would it be possible to share their MS Access/Office
> version independent Primary Interop Assemblies (PIAs), which would be 
> needed
> for local development of plug-in class libraries...
>
> I have got already sample add-in running here. I will test its setup in 
> the
> coming days, and I will make it available for download then. It doesn't do
> that much - just shows About WinForm when activated from 
> commandbar/ribbon,
> and lists some database objects in a dialog box - but that's enough to 
> test
> how well setup works in "MS Access version independent" mode. BTW, Add-In
> Express also has "click-once" setup their docs say. It has to be tested of
> course but I'm quite sure it works well - Add-In Express company has 
> already
> got 10,000+ customers, and their support site is active and quality of
> support is high...
>
> All and every opinions on the subject, and probable Access Developer
> Assistant open source project are very welcome! (I should note again - I'm
> not sure yet how to "share" Add-In Express license and PIAs for an open
> source project - it might be an issue blocking this probable project...)
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Shamil
>
> ...second the decompile ...but an add-in should take it through the entire
> multi-step procedure to get back to a compiled/compacted state
>
> ...might be an ideal place to standardize Max's Eat Bloat code
>
> ...I'd love to have an add-in that let me easily configure the property
> settings of any mdb
>    multiple configs would be nice, one for design mode work, one for
> pre-deployment as an mde, etc
>
> ...there are so many add-ins that standardizing on a single AccessD 
> version
> would be sweet
>    V-Tools and MZTools are the ones I use most ...love the way MZTools 
> just
>
> works in the VBE
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:19 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> Hi All -
>>
>>
>>
>> I have got the subject license
>> (http://www.add-in-express.com/add-in-net/ )
>> and I wanted to try Add-In Express to develop a sample add-in - Access
>> Developer Assistant, which will do a few useful things for Access
>> Developers.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have got already developed a very simple sample MS Access add-in just 
>> to
>> test how it all works - so far so good - it gets installed well and it's
>> running in general but I have got a few questions to ask Add-In Express
>> Developers on their site before I will make this sample add-in publicly
>> available.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm interested to hear your opinions and proposals what simple everyday
>> tasks you wanted to see automated within the sample add-in? - that could
>> be
>> any tasks including VBA coding generation/automation. I plan to post here
>> (or in dba-VB? - that will be C# code) most of the code of the sample
>> add-in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good news about Add-In Express is that MS Office/Access add-ins developed
>> using this tool could be made MS Office/Access version independent.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb  9 13:33:33 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 22:33:33 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru>
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William and Max --

What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)

- Creates new mdb...
- and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
macros, modules) into this new mdb?

What about relationships?
What about import/export specs?
What about ADPs?

<<<
I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple 
preset configs...
>>>
MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it was able
to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many as one
wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries) and
one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in the
end - something like that AFAIKR...

<<<
...I may 
invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me 
...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>
As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent Add-ins
including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of what
custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...

<<<
...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code guru 
>>>
OK

<<<
...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for the 
next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>
Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle for
the next few months?

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Shamil

...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC was 
going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is certainly

a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do wonders 
for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest version 
just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version out 
...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.

...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new mdb 
design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but I'm 
looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple 
preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I do 
one ready to be compiled into an mde.

...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site it 
doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you 
couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex license 
would work in this case.

...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code guru 
...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for the 
next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I may 
invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me 
...still A2k3 bound :)

William

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From adtp at airtelmail.in  Tue Feb  9 13:42:20 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:12:20 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk>
	<73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <002801caa9c0$25debdd0$3701a8c0@adtpc>

William,

    My sample db named Form_GanttChart might be of interest to you. It is in access 2000 file format and is available at Rogers Access Library. Link - 
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45

    Two styles are covered:
    (a) Style A: Using bound controls - character strings as chart.
    (b) Style B: Using unbound controls - using label strips as chart.

    Style A is editable. As the user enters start and end dates for various tasks, the chart string gets updated automatically. Simultaneously, the month / year markers at top get updated, duly taking into account the overall time span from start of earliest task to finish of last task. (Reference:  DAO 3.6).

    Note: In both styles, there is no limit to the number of activities that can be covered by the chart (as long as the number of pertinent records are within the capacity of an access table).

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 23:44
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access


  gustav

  ...thanks ...one of the first items I found binging around ...it works as a 
  report but apparently not as a form unless you know some magic trick I don't 
  :)

  William

  --------------------------------------------------
  From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
  Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:38 AM
  To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

  > Hi William
  >
  > Couldn't you use a stack of rectangles you resize according to the data?
  > Here's an example by Duane Hookom for a report - could be adopted for a 
  > form, I guess:
  >
  > http://www.access.hookom.net/Samples.htm
  >
  > It's the Calendar Reports sample at the top.
  > Some discussion of this can be found here:
  >
  > http://g.www.ms.akadns.net/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.access.reports&tid=1f382f4b-60e9-429c-b96c-67b3b78f9bcc&cat=en_US_440664bc-4ba9-45ac-a263-75b2adc68568&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=&p=1
  >
  > /gustav
  >
  >
  >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 07-02-2010 01:33 >>>
  > ...I need to produce a relatively simple tasking Gantt chart on a form,
  > preferably with native Access (2003).
  >
  > ...I've binged all about and come up with nothing but a very complicated
  > report format, a linked Excel chart, or a variety of 3rd party ocx 
  > controls
  > which require per user licensing, none of which I want to use ...this 
  > needs
  > to run reliably in a runtime environment and work in an Access form.
  >
  > ...I've also looked at the Microsoft Chart control and the PivotView 
  > without
  > success.
  >
  > ...anyone have tried and tested code, sample, or a link?
  >
  > William

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Feb  9 14:29:49 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:29:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Colour picker
In-Reply-To: <002801caa9c0$25debdd0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk>
	<73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev>
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Hi All:

What is the best way to connect to Access's colour picker control within an
application and being able to retrieving the colour number selected? I use
to know but that was a few years ago... I think it is as simple as just
referencing the dll to start with but I am not sure...

Any thoughts and help would be greatly appreciated.

TIA

Jim 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Feb  9 14:58:53 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:58:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Colour picker
In-Reply-To: <F8BC2E51FC7B4838A6419598C1542D1B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk><73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev><002801caa9c0$25debdd0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
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Jim:

I have an mdb that triggers the color picker and returns the number and sets
a control based on the chosen color.  Can send off line of you want.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Colour picker

Hi All:

What is the best way to connect to Access's colour picker control within an
application and being able to retrieving the colour number selected? I use
to know but that was a few years ago... I think it is as simple as just
referencing the dll to start with but I am not sure...

Any thoughts and help would be greatly appreciated.

TIA

Jim 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Feb  9 15:02:51 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:02:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Colour picker
In-Reply-To: <F8BC2E51FC7B4838A6419598C1542D1B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk><73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev><002801caa9c0$25debdd0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
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Actually just took a look at the app (wrote it 1999!) and it's simple.  If
this is what you're looking for.

Rocky


Declare Function adh_accChooseCOlor Lib "msaccess.exe" _
 Alias "#53" (ByVal hWnd As Long, rgb As Long) As Long

Function adhChooseColor(lngColor As Long) As Long
    
    lngColor = adh_accChooseCOlor(Application.hWndAccessApp, lngColor)
    adhChooseColor = lngColor

End Function

Private Sub cmdSetBackgroundColor_Click()
    
    lngOldColor = Detail.BackColor
    lngNewColor = adhChooseColor(lngOldColor)
    MsgBox lngNewColor
    Detail.BackColor = lngNewColor

End Sub

Private Sub cmdSetButtonColor_Click()
    
    lngOldColor = cmdSetButtonColor.ForeColor
    lngNewColor = adhChooseColor(lngOldColor)
    MsgBox lngNewColor
    cmdSetButtonColor.ForeColor = lngNewColor

End Sub 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Colour picker

Hi All:

What is the best way to connect to Access's colour picker control within an
application and being able to retrieving the colour number selected? I use
to know but that was a few years ago... I think it is as simple as just
referencing the dll to start with but I am not sure...

Any thoughts and help would be greatly appreciated.

TIA

Jim 

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Feb  9 16:16:10 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:16:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>
	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru>
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Shamil

...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available ...we've hit 
over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just stopped 
looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked for a 
50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients have 
done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack time 
available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones :)

...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them, used to 
work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs out 
...Max would have to give you the inner workings.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> William and Max --
>
> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>
> - Creates new mdb...
> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>
> What about relationships?
> What about import/export specs?
> What about ADPs?
>
> <<<
> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
> preset configs...
>>>>
> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it was 
> able
> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many as 
> one
> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries) and
> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in the
> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>
> <<<
> ...I may
> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>
> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent 
> Add-ins
> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of what
> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>
> <<<
> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code guru
>>>>
> OK
>
> <<<
> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for the
> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>
> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle for
> the next few months?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Shamil
>
> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC was
> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is 
> certainly
>
> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do wonders
> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest 
> version
> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version out
> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>
> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new mdb
> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but 
> I'm
> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I do
> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>
> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site it
> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex license
> would work in this case.
>
> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code guru
> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for the
> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I 
> may
> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>
> William
>
> <<< snip >>>
>
>
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> signature
> database 4852 (20100209) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Feb  9 16:21:22 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:21:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <002801caa9c0$25debdd0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk><73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev>
	<002801caa9c0$25debdd0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
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AD

...lol ...read your post and couldn't believe I'd missed something on 
Roger's library ...then I saw the date :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "A.D. Tejpal" <adtp at airtelmail.in>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:42 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

> William,
>
>    My sample db named Form_GanttChart might be of interest to you. It is 
> in access 2000 file format and is available at Rogers Access Library. 
> Link -
> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45
>
>    Two styles are covered:
>    (a) Style A: Using bound controls - character strings as chart.
>    (b) Style B: Using unbound controls - using label strips as chart.
>
>    Style A is editable. As the user enters start and end dates for various 
> tasks, the chart string gets updated automatically. Simultaneously, the 
> month / year markers at top get updated, duly taking into account the 
> overall time span from start of earliest task to finish of last task. 
> (Reference:  DAO 3.6).
>
>    Note: In both styles, there is no limit to the number of activities 
> that can be covered by the chart (as long as the number of pertinent 
> records are within the capacity of an access table).
>
> Best wishes,
> A.D. Tejpal
> ------------
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: William Hindman
>  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>  Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 23:44
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
>
>
>  gustav
>
>  ...thanks ...one of the first items I found binging around ...it works as 
> a
>  report but apparently not as a form unless you know some magic trick I 
> don't
>  :)
>
>  William
>
>  --------------------------------------------------
>  From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
>  Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:38 AM
>  To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
>
>  > Hi William
>  >
>  > Couldn't you use a stack of rectangles you resize according to the 
> data?
>  > Here's an example by Duane Hookom for a report - could be adopted for a
>  > form, I guess:
>  >
>  > http://www.access.hookom.net/Samples.htm
>  >
>  > It's the Calendar Reports sample at the top.
>  > Some discussion of this can be found here:
>  >
>  > 
> http://g.www.ms.akadns.net/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.access.reports&tid=1f382f4b-60e9-429c-b96c-67b3b78f9bcc&cat=en_US_440664bc-4ba9-45ac-a263-75b2adc68568&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=&p=1
>  >
>  > /gustav
>  >
>  >
>  >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 07-02-2010 01:33 >>>
>  > ...I need to produce a relatively simple tasking Gantt chart on a form,
>  > preferably with native Access (2003).
>  >
>  > ...I've binged all about and come up with nothing but a very 
> complicated
>  > report format, a linked Excel chart, or a variety of 3rd party ocx
>  > controls
>  > which require per user licensing, none of which I want to use ...this
>  > needs
>  > to run reliably in a runtime environment and work in an Access form.
>  >
>  > ...I've also looked at the Microsoft Chart control and the PivotView
>  > without
>  > success.
>  >
>  > ...anyone have tried and tested code, sample, or a link?
>  >
>  > William
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Feb  9 19:45:24 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:45:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <C3D00AE4DB974E478B4CD89FE715BF0F@jislaptopdev>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk><73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev><002801caa9c0$25debdd0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
	<C3D00AE4DB974E478B4CD89FE715BF0F@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <81DFBEDB5B8744F78FA50F7C631DDC39@jislaptopdev>

...thank you AD ...this is most of what I was hoping for ...the rest I can 
do myself ...AccessD always comes through :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:21 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

> AD
>
> ...lol ...read your post and couldn't believe I'd missed something on
> Roger's library ...then I saw the date :)
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "A.D. Tejpal" <adtp at airtelmail.in>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:42 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
>
>> William,
>>
>>    My sample db named Form_GanttChart might be of interest to you. It is
>> in access 2000 file format and is available at Rogers Access Library.
>> Link -
>> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45
>>
>>    Two styles are covered:
>>    (a) Style A: Using bound controls - character strings as chart.
>>    (b) Style B: Using unbound controls - using label strips as chart.
>>
>>    Style A is editable. As the user enters start and end dates for 
>> various
>> tasks, the chart string gets updated automatically. Simultaneously, the
>> month / year markers at top get updated, duly taking into account the
>> overall time span from start of earliest task to finish of last task.
>> (Reference:  DAO 3.6).
>>
>>    Note: In both styles, there is no limit to the number of activities
>> that can be covered by the chart (as long as the number of pertinent
>> records are within the capacity of an access table).
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> A.D. Tejpal
>> ------------
>>
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: William Hindman
>>  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>  Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 23:44
>>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
>>
>>
>>  gustav
>>
>>  ...thanks ...one of the first items I found binging around ...it works 
>> as
>> a
>>  report but apparently not as a form unless you know some magic trick I
>> don't
>>  :)
>>
>>  William
>>
>>  --------------------------------------------------
>>  From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
>>  Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:38 AM
>>  To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
>>
>>  > Hi William
>>  >
>>  > Couldn't you use a stack of rectangles you resize according to the
>> data?
>>  > Here's an example by Duane Hookom for a report - could be adopted for 
>> a
>>  > form, I guess:
>>  >
>>  > http://www.access.hookom.net/Samples.htm
>>  >
>>  > It's the Calendar Reports sample at the top.
>>  > Some discussion of this can be found here:
>>  >
>>  >
>> http://g.www.ms.akadns.net/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.access.reports&tid=1f382f4b-60e9-429c-b96c-67b3b78f9bcc&cat=en_US_440664bc-4ba9-45ac-a263-75b2adc68568&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=&p=1
>>  >
>>  > /gustav
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 07-02-2010 01:33 >>>
>>  > ...I need to produce a relatively simple tasking Gantt chart on a 
>> form,
>>  > preferably with native Access (2003).
>>  >
>>  > ...I've binged all about and come up with nothing but a very
>> complicated
>>  > report format, a linked Excel chart, or a variety of 3rd party ocx
>>  > controls
>>  > which require per user licensing, none of which I want to use ...this
>>  > needs
>>  > to run reliably in a runtime environment and work in an Access form.
>>  >
>>  > ...I've also looked at the Microsoft Chart control and the PivotView
>>  > without
>>  > success.
>>  >
>>  > ...anyone have tried and tested code, sample, or a link?
>>  >
>>  > William
>> -- 
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>>
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From adtp at airtelmail.in  Tue Feb  9 23:44:49 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:14:49 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk><73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev><002801caa9c0$25debdd0$3701a8c0@adtpc><C3D00AE4DB974E478B4CD89FE715BF0F@jislaptopdev>
	<81DFBEDB5B8744F78FA50F7C631DDC39@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <052901caaa14$67d74730$3701a8c0@adtpc>

William,

    You are most welcome! This was a fresh sample, put together in response to the current thread.

    On the subject of graphical depiction, some of my other samples are mentioned below, for ready reference (All available at Roger's site):

    1 - Form_TimeLineDisplay:
    It handles micro-planning for 24 hours of the day, depicting the occupied time strips (15 minutes per slot) on a form, with color highlights on controls mimicking a row of LED lights. Report generation for these graphs is also provided.

    2 - Report_PseudoGraphs:
    Various styles of simulated graphs on a report (e.g. Salary scales, Room Bookings, Score sheets for star war games), using multiple instances of a single text box are demonstrated.

    3 - Charts_AccessAndExcel:
    It covers a combination chart showing the readings for patient's blood pressure - systolic & diastolic as twin line series, along with pulse readings in column style. For ready appreciation, the same set of readings is displayed in two alternative modes, one as access native graph (on form as well as report) and the other as an Excel graph, dynamically created in Excel (based upon Access data) and then displayed on access form via OLE control.

    4 - Charts_PieTypeOnReports:

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------


----- Original Message ----- 
From: William Hindman 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 07:15
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access


  ...thank you AD ...this is most of what I was hoping for ...the rest I can 
  do myself ...AccessD always comes through :)

  William

  --------------------------------------------------
  From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:21 PM
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

  > AD
  >
  > ...lol ...read your post and couldn't believe I'd missed something on
  > Roger's library ...then I saw the date :)
  >
  > William
  >
  > --------------------------------------------------
  > From: "A.D. Tejpal" <adtp at airtelmail.in>
  > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:42 PM
  > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
  >
  >> William,
  >>
  >>    My sample db named Form_GanttChart might be of interest to you. It is
  >> in access 2000 file format and is available at Rogers Access Library.
  >> Link -
  >> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45
  >>
  >>    Two styles are covered:
  >>    (a) Style A: Using bound controls - character strings as chart.
  >>    (b) Style B: Using unbound controls - using label strips as chart.
  >>
  >>    Style A is editable. As the user enters start and end dates for 
  >> various
  >> tasks, the chart string gets updated automatically. Simultaneously, the
  >> month / year markers at top get updated, duly taking into account the
  >> overall time span from start of earliest task to finish of last task.
  >> (Reference:  DAO 3.6).
  >>
  >>    Note: In both styles, there is no limit to the number of activities
  >> that can be covered by the chart (as long as the number of pertinent
  >> records are within the capacity of an access table).
  >>
  >> Best wishes,
  >> A.D. Tejpal
  >> ------------

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb 10 00:37:28 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 22:37:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Colour picker
In-Reply-To: <80C21AD5E1AA4640BDA2B3A642612B10@HAL9005>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk>
	<73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev>
	<002801caa9c0$25debdd0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
	<F8BC2E51FC7B4838A6419598C1542D1B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<80C21AD5E1AA4640BDA2B3A642612B10@HAL9005>
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Hi Rocky:

Thanks for the information but my client's version of Access2003 does not
like the way the adh_accChooseColor function is used and bales...

In addition, I have seen found a couple of other partial examples and have
yet to get any to work. It appears that the last time anyone coded for the
ColourPicker was back in Access97 days and they do not work now...

...of course it is possible I missed some crucial step.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colour picker

Actually just took a look at the app (wrote it 1999!) and it's simple.  If
this is what you're looking for.

Rocky


Declare Function adh_accChooseCOlor Lib "msaccess.exe" _
 Alias "#53" (ByVal hWnd As Long, rgb As Long) As Long

Function adhChooseColor(lngColor As Long) As Long
    
    lngColor = adh_accChooseCOlor(Application.hWndAccessApp, lngColor)
    adhChooseColor = lngColor

End Function

Private Sub cmdSetBackgroundColor_Click()
    
    lngOldColor = Detail.BackColor
    lngNewColor = adhChooseColor(lngOldColor)
    MsgBox lngNewColor
    Detail.BackColor = lngNewColor

End Sub

Private Sub cmdSetButtonColor_Click()
    
    lngOldColor = cmdSetButtonColor.ForeColor
    lngNewColor = adhChooseColor(lngOldColor)
    MsgBox lngNewColor
    cmdSetButtonColor.ForeColor = lngNewColor

End Sub 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Colour picker

Hi All:

What is the best way to connect to Access's colour picker control within an
application and being able to retrieving the colour number selected? I use
to know but that was a few years ago... I think it is as simple as just
referencing the dll to start with but I am not sure...

Any thoughts and help would be greatly appreciated.

TIA

Jim 

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Wed Feb 10 00:50:00 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:50:00 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru>
	<F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru>

William --

But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there? 
How one can be sure about that?

OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but just:

- make backup copy of current db;
- save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
- delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
- compact db;
- load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.

(if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)

Correct Max?

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Shamil

...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available ...we've hit

over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just stopped

looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked for a

50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients have 
done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack time

available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones :)

...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them, used to

work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs out 
...Max would have to give you the inner workings.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> William and Max --
>
> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>
> - Creates new mdb...
> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>
> What about relationships?
> What about import/export specs?
> What about ADPs?
>
> <<<
> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
> preset configs...
>>>>
> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it was 
> able
> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many as 
> one
> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries) and
> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in the
> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>
> <<<
> ...I may
> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>
> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent 
> Add-ins
> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of what
> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>
> <<<
> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code guru
>>>>
> OK
>
> <<<
> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for the
> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>
> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle for
> the next few months?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Shamil
>
> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC was
> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is 
> certainly
>
> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do wonders
> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest 
> version
> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version out
> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>
> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new mdb
> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but 
> I'm
> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I do
> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>
> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site it
> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex license
> would work in this case.
>
> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code guru
> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for the
> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I 
> may
> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>
> William
>
> <<< snip >>>
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Feb 10 01:23:28 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:23:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>
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Shamil

...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets into 
politics and economics and anything
more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :)

...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the 
import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> William --
>
> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there?
> How one can be sure about that?
>
> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but 
> just:
>
> - make backup copy of current db;
> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
> - compact db;
> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.
>
> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)
>
> Correct Max?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Shamil
>
> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available ...we've 
> hit
>
> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just 
> stopped
>
> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked for 
> a
>
> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients have
> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack 
> time
>
> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones :)
>
> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them, used 
> to
>
> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs out
> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> William and Max --
>>
>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>>
>> - Creates new mdb...
>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
>> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>>
>> What about relationships?
>> What about import/export specs?
>> What about ADPs?
>>
>> <<<
>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from 
>> multiple
>> preset configs...
>>>>>
>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it was
>> able
>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many as
>> one
>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries) and
>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in the
>> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>>
>> <<<
>> ...I may
>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>
>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent
>> Add-ins
>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of 
>> what
>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>>
>> <<<
>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code 
>> guru
>>>>>
>> OK
>>
>> <<<
>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for 
>> the
>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>>
>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle for
>> the next few months?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC was
>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is
>> certainly
>>
>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do 
>> wonders
>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest
>> version
>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version 
>> out
>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>>
>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new mdb
>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but
>> I'm
>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I do
>> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>>
>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site it
>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex license
>> would work in this case.
>>
>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code 
>> guru
>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for 
>> the
>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I
>> may
>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> <<< snip >>>
>>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Feb 10 01:34:02 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:34:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Colour picker
In-Reply-To: <9C85A971920B4544AD714E752CA3AA1B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk><73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev><002801caa9c0$25debdd0$3701a8c0@adtpc><F8BC2E51FC7B4838A6419598C1542D1B@creativesystemdesigns.com><80C21AD5E1AA4640BDA2B3A642612B10@HAL9005>
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http://www.peterssoftware.com/prx.htm
...free sample mdb with a color picker that works in my A2K3, both full and 
runtime

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:37 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colour picker

> Hi Rocky:
>
> Thanks for the information but my client's version of Access2003 does not
> like the way the adh_accChooseColor function is used and bales...
>
> In addition, I have seen found a couple of other partial examples and have
> yet to get any to work. It appears that the last time anyone coded for the
> ColourPicker was back in Access97 days and they do not work now...
>
> ...of course it is possible I missed some crucial step.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:03 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colour picker
>
> Actually just took a look at the app (wrote it 1999!) and it's simple.  If
> this is what you're looking for.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Declare Function adh_accChooseCOlor Lib "msaccess.exe" _
> Alias "#53" (ByVal hWnd As Long, rgb As Long) As Long
>
> Function adhChooseColor(lngColor As Long) As Long
>
>    lngColor = adh_accChooseCOlor(Application.hWndAccessApp, lngColor)
>    adhChooseColor = lngColor
>
> End Function
>
> Private Sub cmdSetBackgroundColor_Click()
>
>    lngOldColor = Detail.BackColor
>    lngNewColor = adhChooseColor(lngOldColor)
>    MsgBox lngNewColor
>    Detail.BackColor = lngNewColor
>
> End Sub
>
> Private Sub cmdSetButtonColor_Click()
>
>    lngOldColor = cmdSetButtonColor.ForeColor
>    lngNewColor = adhChooseColor(lngOldColor)
>    MsgBox lngNewColor
>    cmdSetButtonColor.ForeColor = lngNewColor
>
> End Sub
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:30 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Colour picker
>
> Hi All:
>
> What is the best way to connect to Access's colour picker control within 
> an
> application and being able to retrieving the colour number selected? I use
> to know but that was a few years ago... I think it is as simple as just
> referencing the dll to start with but I am not sure...
>
> Any thoughts and help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> Jim
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb 10 03:20:11 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:20:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
Message-ID: <sb72886e.006@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil et al

Here is at least one option - if each(!) developer runs his/her own blog:

<quote>
For bloggers - get any product for free

If you run a blog about Microsoft Office development, or about .NET, VSTO and Delphi programming in general, you can get any Add-in Express product or upgrade for free. All you need to do is to review Add-in Express on your blog. Just drop us a note using the contact form and we will get back to you to discuss details.
</quote>

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 09-02-2010 18:51 >>>

.. (I should note again - I'm not sure yet how to "share" Add-In Express license and PIAs for an open source project - it might be an issue blocking this probable project...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Wed Feb 10 04:28:37 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:28:37 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <sb72886e.006@cactus.dk>
References: <sb72886e.006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000e01caaa3b$cf84f4f0$6e8eded0$@spb.ru>

Hi Gustav et al,

Thank you Gustav for your commenting/quoting Add-In Express licensing
conditions.

So if, e.g., I will develop a sample MS Access Developer Assistant Add-in,
publish it on my site for free download, and I will make this add-in
"armored" with pluggable architecture, and then I describe this architecture
in an Access Developer Assistant Pluggable Architecture CodePlex project
then everybody who will make a plug-in to this add-in, publish it within
CodePlex (or on their own site/blog), and describe it in an article/note
within that CodePlex project/own site/blog - all they can get a free license
for one of Add-in Express software products? Correct?

How to make a first plug-in without having Add-In Express license - this is
a technical question - it can be done - late binding can help here...

Still not sure Add-In Express Owners will like such an Access Developer
Assistant project or not. Although they promise(?) just a license for one
their product for free - and they have several software products an active
MS Office/.NET developer would probably want to purchase additionally to a
free license:

- Add-in Express 2009 for Microsoft Office and .net;
- Add-in Express 2010 for Internet Explorer and Microsoft .net;
- Security Manager 2009 for Microsoft Outlook;
- Add-in Express 2008 for Outlook Express and Microsoft .net.

So Add-In Express owners shouldn't resist to an "Access Developer Assistant
Add-In Initiative" as if it happens to be implemented in a useful software
product, it could become a good "promotion campaign" for them?

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Shamil et al

Here is at least one option - if each(!) developer runs his/her own blog:

<quote>
For bloggers - get any product for free

If you run a blog about Microsoft Office development, or about .NET, VSTO
and Delphi programming in general, you can get any Add-in Express product or
upgrade for free. All you need to do is to review Add-in Express on your
blog. Just drop us a note using the contact form and we will get back to you
to discuss details.
</quote>

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 09-02-2010 18:51 >>>

.. (I should note again - I'm not sure yet how to "share" Add-In Express
license and PIAs for an open source project - it might be an issue blocking
this probable project...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil



 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb 10 05:18:07 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:18:07 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
Message-ID: <sb72a421.010@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

It could be. What they are looking for is probably published and serious examples of applications for the tool as this probably is aimed at enterprise developers which - always - are looking for ways to be more productive, can utilize any hour spared, and - for these reasons - do have the budget to buy such tools. One indication for this is that they offer the tool via ComponentSource which always, in my view, has been a high priced - if not over priced - outlet.

So maybe they will like your idea. They wouldn't loose much turnover as many of us wouldn't buy the tool anyway (I wouldn't except if a very specific project was ordered).
Thus, forward your proposal as the good idea it is, open for discussion. CodePlex is a site with a good reputation among their potential customers. 

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 10-02-2010 11:28 >>>

So if, e.g., I will develop a sample MS Access Developer Assistant Add-in,
publish it on my site for free download, and I will make this add-in
"armored" with pluggable architecture, and then I describe this architecture
in an Access Developer Assistant Pluggable Architecture CodePlex project
then everybody who will make a plug-in to this add-in, publish it within
CodePlex (or on their own site/blog), and describe it in an article/note
within that CodePlex project/own site/blog - all they can get a free license
for one of Add-in Express software products? Correct?






From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Wed Feb 10 06:05:47 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:05:47 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <sb72a421.010@cactus.dk>
References: <sb72a421.010@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000601caaa49$62ba1fe0$282e5fa0$@spb.ru>

Gustav,

Thank you for your opinion.
OK, I will talk to Add-In Express owners within a week.

BTW, I have just tested setup of my sample MS Access add-in made using
Add-In Express:

- WinXP SP2 (with .NET Framework 3.5) and MS Office/Access 2007 - it worked
OK;
- Windows 2003 (with .NET Framework 3.0) and MS Office/Access 2003 - it
worked OK;

Both are "clean" PCs without any Add-In Express setups run before.

On MS Access 2003 my sample add-in uses CommandBars to activate its
functionality.
On MS Access 2007 my sample add-in uses Ribbon to activate its
functionality.

Linking add-in's functions to CommandBars or Ribbon is currently done in
design mode in VS2008 - just a few clicks, and code lines.

Setup is the same in both cases.

I'd try to make publicly available setup of Add-In with some more useful
functionality - "Eat Bloat" prototype(?) - next week.

Would you be interested to test its setup and functionality?
Anybody else?

Next step would be to implement and to test "Click-Once" setup.

Next step would be to design and to implement pluggable architecture... 

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Shamil

It could be. What they are looking for is probably published and serious
examples of applications for the tool as this probably is aimed at
enterprise developers which - always - are looking for ways to be more
productive, can utilize any hour spared, and - for these reasons - do have
the budget to buy such tools. One indication for this is that they offer the
tool via ComponentSource which always, in my view, has been a high priced -
if not over priced - outlet.

So maybe they will like your idea. They wouldn't loose much turnover as many
of us wouldn't buy the tool anyway (I wouldn't except if a very specific
project was ordered).
Thus, forward your proposal as the good idea it is, open for discussion.
CodePlex is a site with a good reputation among their potential customers. 

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 10-02-2010 11:28 >>>

So if, e.g., I will develop a sample MS Access Developer Assistant Add-in,
publish it on my site for free download, and I will make this add-in
"armored" with pluggable architecture, and then I describe this architecture
in an Access Developer Assistant Pluggable Architecture CodePlex project
then everybody who will make a plug-in to this add-in, publish it within
CodePlex (or on their own site/blog), and describe it in an article/note
within that CodePlex project/own site/blog - all they can get a free license
for one of Add-in Express software products? Correct?





 

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Wed Feb 10 06:16:17 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:16:17 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru>
	<6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru>

William,

Yes, no one can be sure about anything these days - that's a living
"context" all around the world AFAICS...

OK, I will make EatBloat.NET prototype within Access Developer Assistant
Add-in with all credits to Max - OK Max?

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Shamil

...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets into 
politics and economics and anything
more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :)

...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the 
import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> William --
>
> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there?
> How one can be sure about that?
>
> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but 
> just:
>
> - make backup copy of current db;
> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
> - compact db;
> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.
>
> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)
>
> Correct Max?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Shamil
>
> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available ...we've 
> hit
>
> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just 
> stopped
>
> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked for

> a
>
> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients have
> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack 
> time
>
> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones :)
>
> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them, used 
> to
>
> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs out
> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> William and Max --
>>
>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>>
>> - Creates new mdb...
>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
>> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>>
>> What about relationships?
>> What about import/export specs?
>> What about ADPs?
>>
>> <<<
>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from 
>> multiple
>> preset configs...
>>>>>
>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it was
>> able
>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many as
>> one
>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries) and
>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in the
>> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>>
>> <<<
>> ...I may
>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>
>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent
>> Add-ins
>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of 
>> what
>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>>
>> <<<
>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code 
>> guru
>>>>>
>> OK
>>
>> <<<
>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for 
>> the
>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>>
>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle for
>> the next few months?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC was
>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is
>> certainly
>>
>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do 
>> wonders
>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest
>> version
>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version 
>> out
>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>>
>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new mdb
>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but
>> I'm
>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I do
>> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>>
>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site it
>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex license
>> would work in this case.
>>
>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code 
>> guru
>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for 
>> the
>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I
>> may
>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> <<< snip >>>
>>




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb 10 06:34:06 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:34:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
Message-ID: <sb72b5f3.011@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

I think I'll pass - I don't expect a future project for this tool - and remain a lurker!
So many other things to learn - with VS2010 right ahead.

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 10-02-2010 13:05 >>>

Would you be interested to test its setup and functionality?





From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Wed Feb 10 06:57:02 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:57:02 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <sb72b5f3.011@cactus.dk>
References: <sb72b5f3.011@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000001caaa50$8bb59800$a320c800$@spb.ru>

Hi Gustav --

OK. You're always welcome back from "lurker" mode.

Thank you.

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:34 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Shamil

I think I'll pass - I don't expect a future project for this tool - and
remain a lurker!
So many other things to learn - with VS2010 right ahead.

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 10-02-2010 13:05 >>>

Would you be interested to test its setup and functionality?

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From robert at servicexp.com  Wed Feb 10 07:09:54 2010
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:09:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
In-Reply-To: <052901caaa14$67d74730$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk><73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev><002801caa9c0$25debdd0$3701a8c0@adtpc><C3D00AE4DB974E478B4CD89FE715BF0F@jislaptopdev>	<81DFBEDB5B8744F78FA50F7C631DDC39@jislaptopdev>
	<052901caaa14$67d74730$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <000701caaa52$57962ba0$06c282e0$@com>

A.D. is a machine.. Nice Indeed!!

WBR
Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

William,

    You are most welcome! This was a fresh sample, put together in response
to the current thread.

    On the subject of graphical depiction, some of my other samples are
mentioned below, for ready reference (All available at Roger's site):

    1 - Form_TimeLineDisplay:
    It handles micro-planning for 24 hours of the day, depicting the
occupied time strips (15 minutes per slot) on a form, with color highlights
on controls mimicking a row of LED lights. Report generation for these
graphs is also provided.

    2 - Report_PseudoGraphs:
    Various styles of simulated graphs on a report (e.g. Salary scales, Room
Bookings, Score sheets for star war games), using multiple instances of a
single text box are demonstrated.

    3 - Charts_AccessAndExcel:
    It covers a combination chart showing the readings for patient's blood
pressure - systolic & diastolic as twin line series, along with pulse
readings in column style. For ready appreciation, the same set of readings
is displayed in two alternative modes, one as access native graph (on form
as well as report) and the other as an Excel graph, dynamically created in
Excel (based upon Access data) and then displayed on access form via OLE
control.

    4 - Charts_PieTypeOnReports:

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------


----- Original Message ----- 
From: William Hindman 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 07:15
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access


  ...thank you AD ...this is most of what I was hoping for ...the rest I can

  do myself ...AccessD always comes through :)

  William

  --------------------------------------------------
  From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:21 PM
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access

  > AD
  >
  > ...lol ...read your post and couldn't believe I'd missed something on
  > Roger's library ...then I saw the date :)
  >
  > William
  >
  > --------------------------------------------------
  > From: "A.D. Tejpal" <adtp at airtelmail.in>
  > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:42 PM
  > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gantt chart in Access
  >
  >> William,
  >>
  >>    My sample db named Form_GanttChart might be of interest to you. It
is
  >> in access 2000 file format and is available at Rogers Access Library.
  >> Link -
  >> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45
  >>
  >>    Two styles are covered:
  >>    (a) Style A: Using bound controls - character strings as chart.
  >>    (b) Style B: Using unbound controls - using label strips as chart.
  >>
  >>    Style A is editable. As the user enters start and end dates for 
  >> various
  >> tasks, the chart string gets updated automatically. Simultaneously, the
  >> month / year markers at top get updated, duly taking into account the
  >> overall time span from start of earliest task to finish of last task.
  >> (Reference:  DAO 3.6).
  >>
  >>    Note: In both styles, there is no limit to the number of activities
  >> that can be covered by the chart (as long as the number of pertinent
  >> records are within the capacity of an access table).
  >>
  >> Best wishes,
  >> A.D. Tejpal
  >> ------------
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Feb 10 08:12:22 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:12:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Colour picker
In-Reply-To: <9C85A971920B4544AD714E752CA3AA1B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sb6e8a23.048@cactus.dk><73CAA481F29646F99AD2B8267D0287C0@jislaptopdev><002801caa9c0$25debdd0$3701a8c0@adtpc><F8BC2E51FC7B4838A6419598C1542D1B@creativesystemdesigns.com><80C21AD5E1AA4640BDA2B3A642612B10@HAL9005>
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Message-ID: <3DEE7782C8C249499FC59CFD6DE1A91D@HAL9005>

Jim:

I'll send you the mdb off line.  It works in my 2003.  So maybe there is
something in there I overlooked.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colour picker

Hi Rocky:

Thanks for the information but my client's version of Access2003 does not
like the way the adh_accChooseColor function is used and bales...

In addition, I have seen found a couple of other partial examples and have
yet to get any to work. It appears that the last time anyone coded for the
ColourPicker was back in Access97 days and they do not work now...

...of course it is possible I missed some crucial step.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colour picker

Actually just took a look at the app (wrote it 1999!) and it's simple.  If
this is what you're looking for.

Rocky


Declare Function adh_accChooseCOlor Lib "msaccess.exe" _  Alias "#53" (ByVal
hWnd As Long, rgb As Long) As Long

Function adhChooseColor(lngColor As Long) As Long
    
    lngColor = adh_accChooseCOlor(Application.hWndAccessApp, lngColor)
    adhChooseColor = lngColor

End Function

Private Sub cmdSetBackgroundColor_Click()
    
    lngOldColor = Detail.BackColor
    lngNewColor = adhChooseColor(lngOldColor)
    MsgBox lngNewColor
    Detail.BackColor = lngNewColor

End Sub

Private Sub cmdSetButtonColor_Click()
    
    lngOldColor = cmdSetButtonColor.ForeColor
    lngNewColor = adhChooseColor(lngOldColor)
    MsgBox lngNewColor
    cmdSetButtonColor.ForeColor = lngNewColor

End Sub 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Colour picker

Hi All:

What is the best way to connect to Access's colour picker control within an
application and being able to retrieving the colour number selected? I use
to know but that was a few years ago... I think it is as simple as just
referencing the dll to start with but I am not sure...

Any thoughts and help would be greatly appreciated.

TIA

Jim 

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Feb 10 09:39:41 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:39:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>
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...yeehah!!!!!! :)))))))

...need a beta tester? ...I'm available :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:16 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> William,
>
> Yes, no one can be sure about anything these days - that's a living
> "context" all around the world AFAICS...
>
> OK, I will make EatBloat.NET prototype within Access Developer Assistant
> Add-in with all credits to Max - OK Max?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Shamil
>
> ...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets into
> politics and economics and anything
> more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :)
>
> ...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the
> import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> William --
>>
>> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there?
>> How one can be sure about that?
>>
>> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
>> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but
>> just:
>>
>> - make backup copy of current db;
>> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
>> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
>> - compact db;
>> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.
>>
>> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
>> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)
>>
>> Correct Max?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available ...we've
>> hit
>>
>> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just
>> stopped
>>
>> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked 
>> for
>
>> a
>>
>> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients have
>> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack
>> time
>>
>> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones 
>> :)
>>
>> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them, used
>> to
>>
>> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs out
>> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>>> William and Max --
>>>
>>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>>>
>>> - Creates new mdb...
>>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
>>> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>>>
>>> What about relationships?
>>> What about import/export specs?
>>> What about ADPs?
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from
>>> multiple
>>> preset configs...
>>>>>>
>>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it was
>>> able
>>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many as
>>> one
>>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries) 
>>> and
>>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
>>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in 
>>> the
>>> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> ...I may
>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>>
>>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent
>>> Add-ins
>>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
>>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of
>>> what
>>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>> guru
>>>>>>
>>> OK
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>> the
>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>>>
>>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle 
>>> for
>>> the next few months?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC 
>>> was
>>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is
>>> certainly
>>>
>>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do
>>> wonders
>>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest
>>> version
>>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version
>>> out
>>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>>>
>>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new 
>>> mdb
>>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but
>>> I'm
>>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
>>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I 
>>> do
>>> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>>>
>>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site 
>>> it
>>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
>>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex 
>>> license
>>> would work in this case.
>>>
>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>> guru
>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>> the
>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I
>>> may
>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> <<< snip >>>
>>>
>
>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Wed Feb 10 11:06:03 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:06:03 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>
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Thank you, William,

I will try to make a sample "Access Developer Assistant Add-in" using
"Add-In Express for Office and .NET" with:

- Decompile and
- "Eat bloat"

functionality available next week...

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

...yeehah!!!!!! :)))))))

...need a beta tester? ...I'm available :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:16 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> William,
>
> Yes, no one can be sure about anything these days - that's a living
> "context" all around the world AFAICS...
>
> OK, I will make EatBloat.NET prototype within Access Developer Assistant
> Add-in with all credits to Max - OK Max?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Shamil
>
> ...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets into
> politics and economics and anything
> more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :)
>
> ...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the
> import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> William --
>>
>> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there?
>> How one can be sure about that?
>>
>> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
>> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but
>> just:
>>
>> - make backup copy of current db;
>> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
>> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
>> - compact db;
>> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.
>>
>> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
>> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)
>>
>> Correct Max?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available ...we've
>> hit
>>
>> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just
>> stopped
>>
>> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked 
>> for
>
>> a
>>
>> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients have
>> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack
>> time
>>
>> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones 
>> :)
>>
>> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them, used
>> to
>>
>> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs out
>> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>>> William and Max --
>>>
>>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>>>
>>> - Creates new mdb...
>>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
>>> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>>>
>>> What about relationships?
>>> What about import/export specs?
>>> What about ADPs?
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from
>>> multiple
>>> preset configs...
>>>>>>
>>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it was
>>> able
>>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many as
>>> one
>>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries) 
>>> and
>>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
>>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in 
>>> the
>>> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> ...I may
>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>>
>>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent
>>> Add-ins
>>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
>>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of
>>> what
>>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>> guru
>>>>>>
>>> OK
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>> the
>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>>>
>>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle 
>>> for
>>> the next few months?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC 
>>> was
>>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is
>>> certainly
>>>
>>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do
>>> wonders
>>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest
>>> version
>>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version
>>> out
>>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>>>
>>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new 
>>> mdb
>>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but
>>> I'm
>>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
>>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I 
>>> do
>>> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>>>
>>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site 
>>> it
>>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
>>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex 
>>> license
>>> would work in this case.
>>>
>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>> guru
>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>> the
>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I
>>> may
>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> <<< snip >>>
>>>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Feb 10 11:25:39 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:25:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>
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Message-ID: <38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters>

Hi Shamil,

Several months ago I started rewriting the Eat Bloat form from Max.  I got
about 70% done and had to stop due to workload.  But I can now get this done
in the next few days.  Let me suggest that you hold off on Eat Bloat for
now.  If what I do is something you still want to incorporate, then by all
means please do.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Thank you, William,

I will try to make a sample "Access Developer Assistant Add-in" using
"Add-In Express for Office and .NET" with:

- Decompile and
- "Eat bloat"

functionality available next week...

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

...yeehah!!!!!! :)))))))

...need a beta tester? ...I'm available :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:16 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> William,
>
> Yes, no one can be sure about anything these days - that's a living
> "context" all around the world AFAICS...
>
> OK, I will make EatBloat.NET prototype within Access Developer Assistant
> Add-in with all credits to Max - OK Max?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Shamil
>
> ...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets into
> politics and economics and anything
> more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :)
>
> ...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the
> import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> William --
>>
>> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there?
>> How one can be sure about that?
>>
>> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
>> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but
>> just:
>>
>> - make backup copy of current db;
>> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
>> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
>> - compact db;
>> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.
>>
>> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
>> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)
>>
>> Correct Max?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available ...we've
>> hit
>>
>> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just
>> stopped
>>
>> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked 
>> for
>
>> a
>>
>> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients have
>> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack
>> time
>>
>> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones 
>> :)
>>
>> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them, used
>> to
>>
>> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs out
>> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>>> William and Max --
>>>
>>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>>>
>>> - Creates new mdb...
>>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
>>> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>>>
>>> What about relationships?
>>> What about import/export specs?
>>> What about ADPs?
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from
>>> multiple
>>> preset configs...
>>>>>>
>>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it was
>>> able
>>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many as
>>> one
>>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries) 
>>> and
>>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
>>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in 
>>> the
>>> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> ...I may
>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>>
>>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent
>>> Add-ins
>>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
>>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of
>>> what
>>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>> guru
>>>>>>
>>> OK
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>> the
>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>>>
>>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle 
>>> for
>>> the next few months?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC 
>>> was
>>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is
>>> certainly
>>>
>>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do
>>> wonders
>>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest
>>> version
>>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version
>>> out
>>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>>>
>>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new 
>>> mdb
>>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but
>>> I'm
>>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
>>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I 
>>> do
>>> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>>>
>>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site 
>>> it
>>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
>>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex 
>>> license
>>> would work in this case.
>>>
>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>> guru
>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>> the
>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I
>>> may
>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> <<< snip >>>
>>>
>
>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Wed Feb 10 12:06:51 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:06:51 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru>
	<38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>

Hi Dan --

I didn't know.
Please do it.
What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within Access
Developer Assistant add-in - just a "Proof Of Concept". And it will need
.NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system. Not all MS Access
developers will want to have it on their systems.

Or do you plan to make a commercial version of "Eat Bloat"? 
Then I will not make its "lightweight" version within Access Developer
Assistant.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Shamil,

Several months ago I started rewriting the Eat Bloat form from Max.  I got
about 70% done and had to stop due to workload.  But I can now get this done
in the next few days.  Let me suggest that you hold off on Eat Bloat for
now.  If what I do is something you still want to incorporate, then by all
means please do.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Thank you, William,

I will try to make a sample "Access Developer Assistant Add-in" using
"Add-In Express for Office and .NET" with:

- Decompile and
- "Eat bloat"

functionality available next week...

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

...yeehah!!!!!! :)))))))

...need a beta tester? ...I'm available :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:16 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> William,
>
> Yes, no one can be sure about anything these days - that's a living
> "context" all around the world AFAICS...
>
> OK, I will make EatBloat.NET prototype within Access Developer Assistant
> Add-in with all credits to Max - OK Max?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Shamil
>
> ...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets into
> politics and economics and anything
> more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :)
>
> ...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the
> import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> William --
>>
>> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there?
>> How one can be sure about that?
>>
>> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
>> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but
>> just:
>>
>> - make backup copy of current db;
>> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
>> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
>> - compact db;
>> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.
>>
>> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
>> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)
>>
>> Correct Max?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available ...we've
>> hit
>>
>> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just
>> stopped
>>
>> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked 
>> for
>
>> a
>>
>> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients have
>> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack
>> time
>>
>> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones 
>> :)
>>
>> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them, used
>> to
>>
>> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs out
>> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>>> William and Max --
>>>
>>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>>>
>>> - Creates new mdb...
>>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
>>> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>>>
>>> What about relationships?
>>> What about import/export specs?
>>> What about ADPs?
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from
>>> multiple
>>> preset configs...
>>>>>>
>>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it was
>>> able
>>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many as
>>> one
>>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries) 
>>> and
>>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
>>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in 
>>> the
>>> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> ...I may
>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>>
>>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent
>>> Add-ins
>>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
>>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of
>>> what
>>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>> guru
>>>>>>
>>> OK
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>> the
>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>>>
>>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle 
>>> for
>>> the next few months?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC 
>>> was
>>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is
>>> certainly
>>>
>>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do
>>> wonders
>>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest
>>> version
>>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version
>>> out
>>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>>>
>>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new 
>>> mdb
>>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but
>>> I'm
>>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
>>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I 
>>> do
>>> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>>>
>>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site 
>>> it
>>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
>>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex 
>>> license
>>> would work in this case.
>>>
>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>> guru
>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>> the
>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I
>>> may
>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> <<< snip >>>
>>>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Feb 10 13:05:31 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:05:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>
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Max had all the functionality in a single form, which I liked.  That way a
developer can just include it in any access file!

This won't be commercial - when it's done I'll turn it over to Access D for
'ownership'.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Dan --

I didn't know.
Please do it.
What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within Access
Developer Assistant add-in - just a "Proof Of Concept". And it will need
.NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system. Not all MS Access
developers will want to have it on their systems.

Or do you plan to make a commercial version of "Eat Bloat"? 
Then I will not make its "lightweight" version within Access Developer
Assistant.

Thank you.

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Shamil,

Several months ago I started rewriting the Eat Bloat form from Max.  I got
about 70% done and had to stop due to workload.  But I can now get this done
in the next few days.  Let me suggest that you hold off on Eat Bloat for
now.  If what I do is something you still want to incorporate, then by all
means please do.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Thank you, William,

I will try to make a sample "Access Developer Assistant Add-in" using
"Add-In Express for Office and .NET" with:

- Decompile and
- "Eat bloat"

functionality available next week...

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

...yeehah!!!!!! :)))))))

...need a beta tester? ...I'm available :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:16 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> William,
>
> Yes, no one can be sure about anything these days - that's a living
> "context" all around the world AFAICS...
>
> OK, I will make EatBloat.NET prototype within Access Developer Assistant
> Add-in with all credits to Max - OK Max?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Shamil
>
> ...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets into
> politics and economics and anything
> more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :)
>
> ...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the
> import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> William --
>>
>> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there?
>> How one can be sure about that?
>>
>> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
>> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but
>> just:
>>
>> - make backup copy of current db;
>> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
>> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
>> - compact db;
>> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.
>>
>> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
>> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)
>>
>> Correct Max?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available ...we've
>> hit
>>
>> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just
>> stopped
>>
>> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked 
>> for
>
>> a
>>
>> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients have
>> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack
>> time
>>
>> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones 
>> :)
>>
>> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them, used
>> to
>>
>> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs out
>> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>>> William and Max --
>>>
>>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>>>
>>> - Creates new mdb...
>>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
>>> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>>>
>>> What about relationships?
>>> What about import/export specs?
>>> What about ADPs?
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from
>>> multiple
>>> preset configs...
>>>>>>
>>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it was
>>> able
>>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many as
>>> one
>>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries) 
>>> and
>>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
>>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in 
>>> the
>>> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> ...I may
>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>>
>>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent
>>> Add-ins
>>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
>>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of
>>> what
>>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>> guru
>>>>>>
>>> OK
>>>
>>> <<<
>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>> the
>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>>>
>>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle 
>>> for
>>> the next few months?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC 
>>> was
>>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is
>>> certainly
>>>
>>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do
>>> wonders
>>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest
>>> version
>>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version
>>> out
>>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>>>
>>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new 
>>> mdb
>>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but
>>> I'm
>>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
>>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I 
>>> do
>>> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>>>
>>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site 
>>> it
>>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
>>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex 
>>> license
>>> would work in this case.
>>>
>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>> guru
>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>> the
>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I
>>> may
>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> <<< snip >>>
>>>
>
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Feb 10 14:35:50 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:35:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters>
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Message-ID: <860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>

Dan

...I've used Max's EatBloat for the longest time ...that said, the process 
of including it within my mdb file meant I always had to strip it out just 
before producing an mde for my clients ...rewriting it as an add-in would 
provide all the benefits without having to import it into each of my mdbs 
and remembering to delete it before production ...just less work for me 
...and much easier to use over a number of mdbs.

...my opinion of course, worth what it cost you :)

William
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:05 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> Max had all the functionality in a single form, which I liked.  That way a
> developer can just include it in any access file!
>
> This won't be commercial - when it's done I'll turn it over to Access D 
> for
> 'ownership'.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:07 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Hi Dan --
>
> I didn't know.
> Please do it.
> What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within Access
> Developer Assistant add-in - just a "Proof Of Concept". And it will need
> .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system. Not all MS Access
> developers will want to have it on their systems.
>
> Or do you plan to make a commercial version of "Eat Bloat"?
> Then I will not make its "lightweight" version within Access Developer
> Assistant.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Hi Shamil,
>
> Several months ago I started rewriting the Eat Bloat form from Max.  I got
> about 70% done and had to stop due to workload.  But I can now get this 
> done
> in the next few days.  Let me suggest that you hold off on Eat Bloat for
> now.  If what I do is something you still want to incorporate, then by all
> means please do.
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:06 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Thank you, William,
>
> I will try to make a sample "Access Developer Assistant Add-in" using
> "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" with:
>
> - Decompile and
> - "Eat bloat"
>
> functionality available next week...
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:40 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> ...yeehah!!!!!! :)))))))
>
> ...need a beta tester? ...I'm available :)
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:16 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> William,
>>
>> Yes, no one can be sure about anything these days - that's a living
>> "context" all around the world AFAICS...
>>
>> OK, I will make EatBloat.NET prototype within Access Developer Assistant
>> Add-in with all credits to Max - OK Max?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets 
>> into
>> politics and economics and anything
>> more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :)
>>
>> ...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the
>> import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>>> William --
>>>
>>> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there?
>>> How one can be sure about that?
>>>
>>> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
>>> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but
>>> just:
>>>
>>> - make backup copy of current db;
>>> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
>>> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
>>> - compact db;
>>> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.
>>>
>>> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
>>> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)
>>>
>>> Correct Max?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available ...we've
>>> hit
>>>
>>> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just
>>> stopped
>>>
>>> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked
>>> for
>>
>>> a
>>>
>>> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients 
>>> have
>>> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack
>>> time
>>>
>>> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones
>>> :)
>>>
>>> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them, 
>>> used
>>> to
>>>
>>> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs out
>>> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
>>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>>> William and Max --
>>>>
>>>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>>>>
>>>> - Creates new mdb...
>>>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
>>>> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>>>>
>>>> What about relationships?
>>>> What about import/export specs?
>>>> What about ADPs?
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from
>>>> multiple
>>>> preset configs...
>>>>>>>
>>>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it was
>>>> able
>>>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many as
>>>> one
>>>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries)
>>>> and
>>>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
>>>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in
>>>> the
>>>> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> ...I may
>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>>>
>>>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent
>>>> Add-ins
>>>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
>>>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of
>>>> what
>>>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>> guru
>>>>>>>
>>>> OK
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>> the
>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>>>>
>>>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle
>>>> for
>>>> the next few months?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>>> Hindman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC
>>>> was
>>>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is
>>>> certainly
>>>>
>>>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do
>>>> wonders
>>>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest
>>>> version
>>>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version
>>>> out
>>>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>>>>
>>>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new
>>>> mdb
>>>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but
>>>> I'm
>>>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
>>>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I
>>>> do
>>>> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>>>>
>>>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site
>>>> it
>>>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
>>>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex
>>>> license
>>>> would work in this case.
>>>>
>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>> guru
>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>> the
>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I
>>>> may
>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>>
>>>> <<< snip >>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 15:21:11 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:21:11 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>
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No William, I have used it longer than you <g>
 
Hi William, Dan, Shamil etc,

Sorry for not responding. Had a head cold which knocked me a bit.
Recovering a bit  now.

Basically, a single form (don't have to strip  it out William when creating
mde, just let it sit there - even tell the customer to run it weekly as a
backup mechanism. If it is an add-in, it will be there  anyway??).

1. Options are to export/import objects to/from text output/input.

2. Objects are tables (as csv, xls or xms),
queries/forms/reports/macros/modules (as text)

3. All or individually.

4. A2k3 based.

5. Credits to AccessD please.

6. Name comes from EAT (Export as Text) and Bloat (reduce bloat when
reimporting the objects).  Hence, EATBloat.

7. Works best when first installed in a working mdb and then export the
objects while everything is ok.  Then when trouble comes,  create  a new
mdb, load EatBloat form and import all the objects again.

8. If I have missed any questions, please come back.

Thanks

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: 10 February 2010 20:36
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Dan

...I've used Max's EatBloat for the longest time ...that said, the process 
of including it within my mdb file meant I always had to strip it out just 
before producing an mde for my clients ...rewriting it as an add-in would 
provide all the benefits without having to import it into each of my mdbs 
and remembering to delete it before production ...just less work for me 
...and much easier to use over a number of mdbs.

...my opinion of course, worth what it cost you :)

William
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:05 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> Max had all the functionality in a single form, which I liked.  That way a
> developer can just include it in any access file!
>
> This won't be commercial - when it's done I'll turn it over to Access D 
> for
> 'ownership'.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:07 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Hi Dan --
>
> I didn't know.
> Please do it.
> What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within Access
> Developer Assistant add-in - just a "Proof Of Concept". And it will need
> .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system. Not all MS Access
> developers will want to have it on their systems.
>
> Or do you plan to make a commercial version of "Eat Bloat"?
> Then I will not make its "lightweight" version within Access Developer
> Assistant.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Hi Shamil,
>
> Several months ago I started rewriting the Eat Bloat form from Max.  I got
> about 70% done and had to stop due to workload.  But I can now get this 
> done
> in the next few days.  Let me suggest that you hold off on Eat Bloat for
> now.  If what I do is something you still want to incorporate, then by all
> means please do.
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:06 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Thank you, William,
>
> I will try to make a sample "Access Developer Assistant Add-in" using
> "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" with:
>
> - Decompile and
> - "Eat bloat"
>
> functionality available next week...
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:40 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> ...yeehah!!!!!! :)))))))
>
> ...need a beta tester? ...I'm available :)
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:16 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> William,
>>
>> Yes, no one can be sure about anything these days - that's a living
>> "context" all around the world AFAICS...
>>
>> OK, I will make EatBloat.NET prototype within Access Developer Assistant
>> Add-in with all credits to Max - OK Max?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets 
>> into
>> politics and economics and anything
>> more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :)
>>
>> ...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the
>> import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>>> William --
>>>
>>> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there?
>>> How one can be sure about that?
>>>
>>> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
>>> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but
>>> just:
>>>
>>> - make backup copy of current db;
>>> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
>>> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
>>> - compact db;
>>> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.
>>>
>>> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
>>> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)
>>>
>>> Correct Max?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available ...we've
>>> hit
>>>
>>> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just
>>> stopped
>>>
>>> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked
>>> for
>>
>>> a
>>>
>>> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients 
>>> have
>>> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack
>>> time
>>>
>>> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones
>>> :)
>>>
>>> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them, 
>>> used
>>> to
>>>
>>> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs out
>>> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
>>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>>> William and Max --
>>>>
>>>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>>>>
>>>> - Creates new mdb...
>>>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
>>>> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>>>>
>>>> What about relationships?
>>>> What about import/export specs?
>>>> What about ADPs?
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from
>>>> multiple
>>>> preset configs...
>>>>>>>
>>>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it was
>>>> able
>>>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many as
>>>> one
>>>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries)
>>>> and
>>>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
>>>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in
>>>> the
>>>> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> ...I may
>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>>>
>>>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent
>>>> Add-ins
>>>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
>>>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of
>>>> what
>>>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>> guru
>>>>>>>
>>>> OK
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>> the
>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>>>>
>>>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle
>>>> for
>>>> the next few months?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>>> Hindman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC
>>>> was
>>>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is
>>>> certainly
>>>>
>>>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do
>>>> wonders
>>>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest
>>>> version
>>>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version
>>>> out
>>>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>>>>
>>>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new
>>>> mdb
>>>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but
>>>> I'm
>>>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
>>>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I
>>>> do
>>>> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>>>>
>>>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site
>>>> it
>>>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
>>>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex
>>>> license
>>>> would work in this case.
>>>>
>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>> guru
>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>> the
>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I
>>>> may
>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>>
>>>> <<< snip >>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Feb 10 17:09:12 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:09:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
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Max

...well maybe a little longer ...but not much :)

...I never put add-ins in client deliverables ...begging for problems I 
don't need
...would never consider allowing a client user to run EatBloat ...too many 
possibilities for user error
...anything EatBloat might do in a user environment I do by refreshing the 
fe from the network
...imnsho, EatBloat is a developer tool that doesn't belong in a user's 
hands

...still and all, its one of the most useful tools in my arsenal ...and I'm 
picky :)

...I'd love to Shamil and Dan work together, making it a base plug-in for 
the addin Shamil is developing.
...but whoever produces the next version, I'll be using it.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:21 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> No William, I have used it longer than you <g>
>
> Hi William, Dan, Shamil etc,
>
> Sorry for not responding. Had a head cold which knocked me a bit.
> Recovering a bit  now.
>
> Basically, a single form (don't have to strip  it out William when 
> creating
> mde, just let it sit there - even tell the customer to run it weekly as a
> backup mechanism. If it is an add-in, it will be there  anyway??).
>
> 1. Options are to export/import objects to/from text output/input.
>
> 2. Objects are tables (as csv, xls or xms),
> queries/forms/reports/macros/modules (as text)
>
> 3. All or individually.
>
> 4. A2k3 based.
>
> 5. Credits to AccessD please.
>
> 6. Name comes from EAT (Export as Text) and Bloat (reduce bloat when
> reimporting the objects).  Hence, EATBloat.
>
> 7. Works best when first installed in a working mdb and then export the
> objects while everything is ok.  Then when trouble comes,  create  a new
> mdb, load EatBloat form and import all the objects again.
>
> 8. If I have missed any questions, please come back.
>
> Thanks
>
> Max
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: 10 February 2010 20:36
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Dan
>
> ...I've used Max's EatBloat for the longest time ...that said, the process
> of including it within my mdb file meant I always had to strip it out just
> before producing an mde for my clients ...rewriting it as an add-in would
> provide all the benefits without having to import it into each of my mdbs
> and remembering to delete it before production ...just less work for me
> ...and much easier to use over a number of mdbs.
>
> ...my opinion of course, worth what it cost you :)
>
> William
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:05 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> Max had all the functionality in a single form, which I liked.  That way 
>> a
>> developer can just include it in any access file!
>>
>> This won't be commercial - when it's done I'll turn it over to Access D
>> for
>> 'ownership'.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:07 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Hi Dan --
>>
>> I didn't know.
>> Please do it.
>> What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within Access
>> Developer Assistant add-in - just a "Proof Of Concept". And it will need
>> .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system. Not all MS Access
>> developers will want to have it on their systems.
>>
>> Or do you plan to make a commercial version of "Eat Bloat"?
>> Then I will not make its "lightweight" version within Access Developer
>> Assistant.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:26 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Hi Shamil,
>>
>> Several months ago I started rewriting the Eat Bloat form from Max.  I 
>> got
>> about 70% done and had to stop due to workload.  But I can now get this
>> done
>> in the next few days.  Let me suggest that you hold off on Eat Bloat for
>> now.  If what I do is something you still want to incorporate, then by 
>> all
>> means please do.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:06 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Thank you, William,
>>
>> I will try to make a sample "Access Developer Assistant Add-in" using
>> "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" with:
>>
>> - Decompile and
>> - "Eat bloat"
>>
>> functionality available next week...
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:40 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> ...yeehah!!!!!! :)))))))
>>
>> ...need a beta tester? ...I'm available :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:16 AM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>>> William,
>>>
>>> Yes, no one can be sure about anything these days - that's a living
>>> "context" all around the world AFAICS...
>>>
>>> OK, I will make EatBloat.NET prototype within Access Developer Assistant
>>> Add-in with all credits to Max - OK Max?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:23 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> ...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets
>>> into
>>> politics and economics and anything
>>> more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :)
>>>
>>> ...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the
>>> import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM
>>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>>> William --
>>>>
>>>> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there?
>>>> How one can be sure about that?
>>>>
>>>> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
>>>> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but
>>>> just:
>>>>
>>>> - make backup copy of current db;
>>>> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
>>>> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
>>>> - compact db;
>>>> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.
>>>>
>>>> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
>>>> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)
>>>>
>>>> Correct Max?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>>> Hindman
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>>> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available 
>>>> ...we've
>>>> hit
>>>>
>>>> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just
>>>> stopped
>>>>
>>>> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked
>>>> for
>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients
>>>> have
>>>> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack
>>>> time
>>>>
>>>> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them,
>>>> used
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs 
>>>> out
>>>> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings.
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
>>>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>
>>>>> William and Max --
>>>>>
>>>>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>>>>>
>>>>> - Creates new mdb...
>>>>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
>>>>> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>>>>>
>>>>> What about relationships?
>>>>> What about import/export specs?
>>>>> What about ADPs?
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from
>>>>> multiple
>>>>> preset configs...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it 
>>>>> was
>>>>> able
>>>>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many 
>>>>> as
>>>>> one
>>>>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries)
>>>>> and
>>>>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
>>>>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in
>>>>> the
>>>>> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> ...I may
>>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent
>>>>> Add-ins
>>>>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
>>>>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of
>>>>> what
>>>>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>>> guru
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> OK
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>>> the
>>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle
>>>>> for
>>>>> the next few months?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Shamil
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>>>> Hindman
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
>>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>>
>>>>> Shamil
>>>>>
>>>>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC
>>>>> was
>>>>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is
>>>>> certainly
>>>>>
>>>>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do
>>>>> wonders
>>>>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest
>>>>> version
>>>>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version
>>>>> out
>>>>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new
>>>>> mdb
>>>>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them 
>>>>> but
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
>>>>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I
>>>>> do
>>>>> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site
>>>>> it
>>>>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
>>>>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex
>>>>> license
>>>>> would work in this case.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>>> guru
>>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>>> the
>>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with 
>>>>> ...I
>>>>> may
>>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>
>>>>> William
>>>>>
>>>>> <<< snip >>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 17:30:37 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:30:37 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
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>...but whoever produces the next version, I'll be using it.

Me too!!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: 10 February 2010 23:09
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Max

...well maybe a little longer ...but not much :)

...I never put add-ins in client deliverables ...begging for problems I 
don't need
...would never consider allowing a client user to run EatBloat ...too many 
possibilities for user error
...anything EatBloat might do in a user environment I do by refreshing the 
fe from the network
...imnsho, EatBloat is a developer tool that doesn't belong in a user's 
hands

...still and all, its one of the most useful tools in my arsenal ...and I'm 
picky :)

...I'd love to Shamil and Dan work together, making it a base plug-in for 
the addin Shamil is developing.
...but whoever produces the next version, I'll be using it.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:21 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> No William, I have used it longer than you <g>
>
> Hi William, Dan, Shamil etc,
>
> Sorry for not responding. Had a head cold which knocked me a bit.
> Recovering a bit  now.
>
> Basically, a single form (don't have to strip  it out William when 
> creating
> mde, just let it sit there - even tell the customer to run it weekly as a
> backup mechanism. If it is an add-in, it will be there  anyway??).
>
> 1. Options are to export/import objects to/from text output/input.
>
> 2. Objects are tables (as csv, xls or xms),
> queries/forms/reports/macros/modules (as text)
>
> 3. All or individually.
>
> 4. A2k3 based.
>
> 5. Credits to AccessD please.
>
> 6. Name comes from EAT (Export as Text) and Bloat (reduce bloat when
> reimporting the objects).  Hence, EATBloat.
>
> 7. Works best when first installed in a working mdb and then export the
> objects while everything is ok.  Then when trouble comes,  create  a new
> mdb, load EatBloat form and import all the objects again.
>
> 8. If I have missed any questions, please come back.
>
> Thanks
>
> Max
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: 10 February 2010 20:36
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Dan
>
> ...I've used Max's EatBloat for the longest time ...that said, the process
> of including it within my mdb file meant I always had to strip it out just
> before producing an mde for my clients ...rewriting it as an add-in would
> provide all the benefits without having to import it into each of my mdbs
> and remembering to delete it before production ...just less work for me
> ...and much easier to use over a number of mdbs.
>
> ...my opinion of course, worth what it cost you :)
>
> William
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:05 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> Max had all the functionality in a single form, which I liked.  That way 
>> a
>> developer can just include it in any access file!
>>
>> This won't be commercial - when it's done I'll turn it over to Access D
>> for
>> 'ownership'.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:07 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Hi Dan --
>>
>> I didn't know.
>> Please do it.
>> What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within Access
>> Developer Assistant add-in - just a "Proof Of Concept". And it will need
>> .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system. Not all MS Access
>> developers will want to have it on their systems.
>>
>> Or do you plan to make a commercial version of "Eat Bloat"?
>> Then I will not make its "lightweight" version within Access Developer
>> Assistant.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:26 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Hi Shamil,
>>
>> Several months ago I started rewriting the Eat Bloat form from Max.  I 
>> got
>> about 70% done and had to stop due to workload.  But I can now get this
>> done
>> in the next few days.  Let me suggest that you hold off on Eat Bloat for
>> now.  If what I do is something you still want to incorporate, then by 
>> all
>> means please do.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:06 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Thank you, William,
>>
>> I will try to make a sample "Access Developer Assistant Add-in" using
>> "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" with:
>>
>> - Decompile and
>> - "Eat bloat"
>>
>> functionality available next week...
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:40 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> ...yeehah!!!!!! :)))))))
>>
>> ...need a beta tester? ...I'm available :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:16 AM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>>> William,
>>>
>>> Yes, no one can be sure about anything these days - that's a living
>>> "context" all around the world AFAICS...
>>>
>>> OK, I will make EatBloat.NET prototype within Access Developer Assistant
>>> Add-in with all credits to Max - OK Max?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:23 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> ...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets
>>> into
>>> politics and economics and anything
>>> more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :)
>>>
>>> ...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the
>>> import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM
>>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>>> William --
>>>>
>>>> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there?
>>>> How one can be sure about that?
>>>>
>>>> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
>>>> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but
>>>> just:
>>>>
>>>> - make backup copy of current db;
>>>> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
>>>> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
>>>> - compact db;
>>>> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.
>>>>
>>>> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
>>>> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)
>>>>
>>>> Correct Max?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>>> Hindman
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>>> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available 
>>>> ...we've
>>>> hit
>>>>
>>>> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just
>>>> stopped
>>>>
>>>> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked
>>>> for
>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients
>>>> have
>>>> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack
>>>> time
>>>>
>>>> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them,
>>>> used
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs 
>>>> out
>>>> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings.
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
>>>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>
>>>>> William and Max --
>>>>>
>>>>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>>>>>
>>>>> - Creates new mdb...
>>>>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
>>>>> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>>>>>
>>>>> What about relationships?
>>>>> What about import/export specs?
>>>>> What about ADPs?
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from
>>>>> multiple
>>>>> preset configs...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it 
>>>>> was
>>>>> able
>>>>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many 
>>>>> as
>>>>> one
>>>>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries)
>>>>> and
>>>>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
>>>>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in
>>>>> the
>>>>> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> ...I may
>>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent
>>>>> Add-ins
>>>>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
>>>>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of
>>>>> what
>>>>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>>> guru
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> OK
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>>> the
>>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle
>>>>> for
>>>>> the next few months?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Shamil
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>>>> Hindman
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
>>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>>
>>>>> Shamil
>>>>>
>>>>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC
>>>>> was
>>>>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is
>>>>> certainly
>>>>>
>>>>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do
>>>>> wonders
>>>>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest
>>>>> version
>>>>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version
>>>>> out
>>>>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new
>>>>> mdb
>>>>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them 
>>>>> but
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
>>>>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I
>>>>> do
>>>>> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site
>>>>> it
>>>>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
>>>>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex
>>>>> license
>>>>> would work in this case.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>>> guru
>>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>>> the
>>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with 
>>>>> ...I
>>>>> may
>>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>
>>>>> William
>>>>>
>>>>> <<< snip >>>
>>>>>
>>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Feb 10 18:20:21 2010
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:20:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Colour picker
In-Reply-To: <E3CCA156504E4E80994346BAEF0A6B94@jislaptopdev>
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Hi William:

Found an excellent piece of code from Stephen Lebans, in the code at
petersoft that did the trick. 

Thank you.
Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colour picker

http://www.peterssoftware.com/prx.htm
...free sample mdb with a color picker that works in my A2K3, both full and 
runtime

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:37 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colour picker

> Hi Rocky:
>
> Thanks for the information but my client's version of Access2003 does not
> like the way the adh_accChooseColor function is used and bales...
>
> In addition, I have seen found a couple of other partial examples and have
> yet to get any to work. It appears that the last time anyone coded for the
> ColourPicker was back in Access97 days and they do not work now...
>
> ...of course it is possible I missed some crucial step.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:03 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colour picker
>
> Actually just took a look at the app (wrote it 1999!) and it's simple.  If
> this is what you're looking for.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> Declare Function adh_accChooseCOlor Lib "msaccess.exe" _
> Alias "#53" (ByVal hWnd As Long, rgb As Long) As Long
>
> Function adhChooseColor(lngColor As Long) As Long
>
>    lngColor = adh_accChooseCOlor(Application.hWndAccessApp, lngColor)
>    adhChooseColor = lngColor
>
> End Function
>
> Private Sub cmdSetBackgroundColor_Click()
>
>    lngOldColor = Detail.BackColor
>    lngNewColor = adhChooseColor(lngOldColor)
>    MsgBox lngNewColor
>    Detail.BackColor = lngNewColor
>
> End Sub
>
> Private Sub cmdSetButtonColor_Click()
>
>    lngOldColor = cmdSetButtonColor.ForeColor
>    lngNewColor = adhChooseColor(lngOldColor)
>    MsgBox lngNewColor
>    cmdSetButtonColor.ForeColor = lngNewColor
>
> End Sub
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:30 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Colour picker
>
> Hi All:
>
> What is the best way to connect to Access's colour picker control within 
> an
> application and being able to retrieving the colour number selected? I use
> to know but that was a few years ago... I think it is as simple as just
> referencing the dll to start with but I am not sure...
>
> Any thoughts and help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> Jim
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 08:07:08 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:07:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
Message-ID: <5AB89150CD7643149A397401EE4936B5@SusanOne>

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/?p=2635&alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE

I asked which 2007 application you'd like to downgrade to 2003 -- Access is 
winning.

Susan H. 



From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 09:59:10 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:59:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
Message-ID: <7c7841601002110759r6b6c6f07jb902c1b0fcb963b0@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Shamil:
> What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within
> Access Developer Assistant add-in ... And it will need
> .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system.
>

Just so I'm clear, are you going to automate the EatBloat function using
only .NET, or will you be calling the existing VBA code from .NET?

-Ken


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Thu Feb 11 11:01:14 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:01:14 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
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Thank you!

--Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

>...but whoever produces the next version, I'll be using it.

Me too!!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: 10 February 2010 23:09
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Max

...well maybe a little longer ...but not much :)

...I never put add-ins in client deliverables ...begging for problems I 
don't need
...would never consider allowing a client user to run EatBloat ...too many 
possibilities for user error
...anything EatBloat might do in a user environment I do by refreshing the 
fe from the network
...imnsho, EatBloat is a developer tool that doesn't belong in a user's 
hands

...still and all, its one of the most useful tools in my arsenal ...and I'm 
picky :)

...I'd love to Shamil and Dan work together, making it a base plug-in for 
the addin Shamil is developing.
...but whoever produces the next version, I'll be using it.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:21 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> No William, I have used it longer than you <g>
>
> Hi William, Dan, Shamil etc,
>
> Sorry for not responding. Had a head cold which knocked me a bit.
> Recovering a bit  now.
>
> Basically, a single form (don't have to strip  it out William when 
> creating
> mde, just let it sit there - even tell the customer to run it weekly as a
> backup mechanism. If it is an add-in, it will be there  anyway??).
>
> 1. Options are to export/import objects to/from text output/input.
>
> 2. Objects are tables (as csv, xls or xms),
> queries/forms/reports/macros/modules (as text)
>
> 3. All or individually.
>
> 4. A2k3 based.
>
> 5. Credits to AccessD please.
>
> 6. Name comes from EAT (Export as Text) and Bloat (reduce bloat when
> reimporting the objects).  Hence, EATBloat.
>
> 7. Works best when first installed in a working mdb and then export the
> objects while everything is ok.  Then when trouble comes,  create  a new
> mdb, load EatBloat form and import all the objects again.
>
> 8. If I have missed any questions, please come back.
>
> Thanks
>
> Max
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: 10 February 2010 20:36
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Dan
>
> ...I've used Max's EatBloat for the longest time ...that said, the process
> of including it within my mdb file meant I always had to strip it out just
> before producing an mde for my clients ...rewriting it as an add-in would
> provide all the benefits without having to import it into each of my mdbs
> and remembering to delete it before production ...just less work for me
> ...and much easier to use over a number of mdbs.
>
> ...my opinion of course, worth what it cost you :)
>
> William
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:05 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> Max had all the functionality in a single form, which I liked.  That way 
>> a
>> developer can just include it in any access file!
>>
>> This won't be commercial - when it's done I'll turn it over to Access D
>> for
>> 'ownership'.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:07 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Hi Dan --
>>
>> I didn't know.
>> Please do it.
>> What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within Access
>> Developer Assistant add-in - just a "Proof Of Concept". And it will need
>> .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system. Not all MS Access
>> developers will want to have it on their systems.
>>
>> Or do you plan to make a commercial version of "Eat Bloat"?
>> Then I will not make its "lightweight" version within Access Developer
>> Assistant.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:26 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Hi Shamil,
>>
>> Several months ago I started rewriting the Eat Bloat form from Max.  I 
>> got
>> about 70% done and had to stop due to workload.  But I can now get this
>> done
>> in the next few days.  Let me suggest that you hold off on Eat Bloat for
>> now.  If what I do is something you still want to incorporate, then by 
>> all
>> means please do.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:06 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Thank you, William,
>>
>> I will try to make a sample "Access Developer Assistant Add-in" using
>> "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" with:
>>
>> - Decompile and
>> - "Eat bloat"
>>
>> functionality available next week...
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:40 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> ...yeehah!!!!!! :)))))))
>>
>> ...need a beta tester? ...I'm available :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:16 AM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>>> William,
>>>
>>> Yes, no one can be sure about anything these days - that's a living
>>> "context" all around the world AFAICS...
>>>
>>> OK, I will make EatBloat.NET prototype within Access Developer Assistant
>>> Add-in with all credits to Max - OK Max?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:23 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> ...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets
>>> into
>>> politics and economics and anything
>>> more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :)
>>>
>>> ...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the
>>> import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM
>>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>>> William --
>>>>
>>>> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there?
>>>> How one can be sure about that?
>>>>
>>>> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
>>>> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but
>>>> just:
>>>>
>>>> - make backup copy of current db;
>>>> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
>>>> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
>>>> - compact db;
>>>> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.
>>>>
>>>> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
>>>> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)
>>>>
>>>> Correct Max?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>>> Hindman
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>>> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available 
>>>> ...we've
>>>> hit
>>>>
>>>> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just
>>>> stopped
>>>>
>>>> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked
>>>> for
>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients
>>>> have
>>>> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack
>>>> time
>>>>
>>>> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them,
>>>> used
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs 
>>>> out
>>>> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings.
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
>>>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>
>>>>> William and Max --
>>>>>
>>>>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>>>>>
>>>>> - Creates new mdb...
>>>>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
>>>>> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>>>>>
>>>>> What about relationships?
>>>>> What about import/export specs?
>>>>> What about ADPs?
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from
>>>>> multiple
>>>>> preset configs...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it 
>>>>> was
>>>>> able
>>>>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many 
>>>>> as
>>>>> one
>>>>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries)
>>>>> and
>>>>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
>>>>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in
>>>>> the
>>>>> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> ...I may
>>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent
>>>>> Add-ins
>>>>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
>>>>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of
>>>>> what
>>>>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>>> guru
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> OK
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>>> the
>>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle
>>>>> for
>>>>> the next few months?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>>>> Hindman
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
>>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>>
>>>>> Shamil
>>>>>
>>>>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC
>>>>> was
>>>>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is
>>>>> certainly
>>>>>
>>>>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do
>>>>> wonders
>>>>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest
>>>>> version
>>>>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version
>>>>> out
>>>>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new
>>>>> mdb
>>>>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them 
>>>>> but
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
>>>>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I
>>>>> do
>>>>> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site
>>>>> it
>>>>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
>>>>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex
>>>>> license
>>>>> would work in this case.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>>> guru
>>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>>> the
>>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with 
>>>>> ...I
>>>>> may
>>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>
>>>>> William
>>>>>
>>>>> <<< snip >>>
>>>>>
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From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:01:15 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
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Just using .NET, Ken.

A COM-Add-In developed using C# and "Add-In Express for Office and .NET"
allowing to develop one add-in and one setup to be used with all MS Access
versions: 2000 - 2010...

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:59 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

>
> Shamil:
> What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within
> Access Developer Assistant add-in ... And it will need
> .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system.
>

Just so I'm clear, are you going to automate the EatBloat function using
only .NET, or will you be calling the existing VBA code from .NET?

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From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:15:43 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
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Thank you, Max.

<<<
5. Credits to AccessD please.
>>>
Sure.

I do not plan to handle tables in my (first) version.
AFAIU/AFAIHS bloating is mainly caused by other object types, and tables
tend to reuse freed space of an MDB file...

But if handle tables in EatBloat then one have also to find a way to handle
relationships - the latter can be done of course with some more coding but
then the following question arises - why not use KISS approach?:

- make backup;
- drop current;
- create new;
- import all objects from backup (.TransferDatabase...);
- recreate relationships;
- get import/export specs;
- get changed database and user defined properties;

?

I'm probably missing something? 

Please advise.

(Yes, I do realize that tables saved as .csv, or .xml together with other
objects saved as text can be kept as a backup (very compact if additionally
zipped) - but that should be called backup/restore utility then?)

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

No William, I have used it longer than you <g>
 
Hi William, Dan, Shamil etc,

Sorry for not responding. Had a head cold which knocked me a bit.
Recovering a bit  now.

Basically, a single form (don't have to strip  it out William when creating
mde, just let it sit there - even tell the customer to run it weekly as a
backup mechanism. If it is an add-in, it will be there  anyway??).

1. Options are to export/import objects to/from text output/input.

2. Objects are tables (as csv, xls or xms),
queries/forms/reports/macros/modules (as text)

3. All or individually.

4. A2k3 based.

5. Credits to AccessD please.

6. Name comes from EAT (Export as Text) and Bloat (reduce bloat when
reimporting the objects).  Hence, EATBloat.

7. Works best when first installed in a working mdb and then export the
objects while everything is ok.  Then when trouble comes,  create  a new
mdb, load EatBloat form and import all the objects again.

8. If I have missed any questions, please come back.

Thanks

Max



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: 10 February 2010 20:36
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Dan

...I've used Max's EatBloat for the longest time ...that said, the process 
of including it within my mdb file meant I always had to strip it out just 
before producing an mde for my clients ...rewriting it as an add-in would 
provide all the benefits without having to import it into each of my mdbs 
and remembering to delete it before production ...just less work for me 
...and much easier to use over a number of mdbs.

...my opinion of course, worth what it cost you :)

William
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:05 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> Max had all the functionality in a single form, which I liked.  That way a
> developer can just include it in any access file!
>
> This won't be commercial - when it's done I'll turn it over to Access D 
> for
> 'ownership'.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:07 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Hi Dan --
>
> I didn't know.
> Please do it.
> What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within Access
> Developer Assistant add-in - just a "Proof Of Concept". And it will need
> .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system. Not all MS Access
> developers will want to have it on their systems.
>
> Or do you plan to make a commercial version of "Eat Bloat"?
> Then I will not make its "lightweight" version within Access Developer
> Assistant.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Hi Shamil,
>
> Several months ago I started rewriting the Eat Bloat form from Max.  I got
> about 70% done and had to stop due to workload.  But I can now get this 
> done
> in the next few days.  Let me suggest that you hold off on Eat Bloat for
> now.  If what I do is something you still want to incorporate, then by all
> means please do.
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:06 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Thank you, William,
>
> I will try to make a sample "Access Developer Assistant Add-in" using
> "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" with:
>
> - Decompile and
> - "Eat bloat"
>
> functionality available next week...
>
> --
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:40 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> ...yeehah!!!!!! :)))))))
>
> ...need a beta tester? ...I'm available :)
>
> William
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:16 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> William,
>>
>> Yes, no one can be sure about anything these days - that's a living
>> "context" all around the world AFAICS...
>>
>> OK, I will make EatBloat.NET prototype within Access Developer Assistant
>> Add-in with all credits to Max - OK Max?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets 
>> into
>> politics and economics and anything
>> more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :)
>>
>> ...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the
>> import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>>> William --
>>>
>>> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there?
>>> How one can be sure about that?
>>>
>>> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
>>> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but
>>> just:
>>>
>>> - make backup copy of current db;
>>> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
>>> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
>>> - compact db;
>>> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.
>>>
>>> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
>>> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)
>>>
>>> Correct Max?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available ...we've
>>> hit
>>>
>>> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just
>>> stopped
>>>
>>> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked
>>> for
>>
>>> a
>>>
>>> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients 
>>> have
>>> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack
>>> time
>>>
>>> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones
>>> :)
>>>
>>> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them, 
>>> used
>>> to
>>>
>>> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs out
>>> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
>>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>>> William and Max --
>>>>
>>>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>>>>
>>>> - Creates new mdb...
>>>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
>>>> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>>>>
>>>> What about relationships?
>>>> What about import/export specs?
>>>> What about ADPs?
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from
>>>> multiple
>>>> preset configs...
>>>>>>>
>>>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it was
>>>> able
>>>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many as
>>>> one
>>>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries)
>>>> and
>>>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
>>>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in
>>>> the
>>>> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> ...I may
>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>>>
>>>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent
>>>> Add-ins
>>>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
>>>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of
>>>> what
>>>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>> guru
>>>>>>>
>>>> OK
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>> the
>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>>>>
>>>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle
>>>> for
>>>> the next few months?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>>> Hindman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC
>>>> was
>>>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is
>>>> certainly
>>>>
>>>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do
>>>> wonders
>>>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest
>>>> version
>>>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version
>>>> out
>>>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>>>>
>>>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new
>>>> mdb
>>>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but
>>>> I'm
>>>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
>>>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I
>>>> do
>>>> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>>>>
>>>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site
>>>> it
>>>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
>>>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex
>>>> license
>>>> would work in this case.
>>>>
>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>> guru
>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>> the
>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I
>>>> may
>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>>
>>>> <<< snip >>>
>>>>
>>
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From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:15:43 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
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Lets' make two versions - just to see the difference in development tools -
I'm going to publish all the source code...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Max

...well maybe a little longer ...but not much :)

...I never put add-ins in client deliverables ...begging for problems I 
don't need
...would never consider allowing a client user to run EatBloat ...too many 
possibilities for user error
...anything EatBloat might do in a user environment I do by refreshing the 
fe from the network
...imnsho, EatBloat is a developer tool that doesn't belong in a user's 
hands

...still and all, its one of the most useful tools in my arsenal ...and I'm 
picky :)

...I'd love to Shamil and Dan work together, making it a base plug-in for 
the addin Shamil is developing.
...but whoever produces the next version, I'll be using it.

William

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From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:21 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> No William, I have used it longer than you <g>
>
> Hi William, Dan, Shamil etc,
>
> Sorry for not responding. Had a head cold which knocked me a bit.
> Recovering a bit  now.
>
> Basically, a single form (don't have to strip  it out William when 
> creating
> mde, just let it sit there - even tell the customer to run it weekly as a
> backup mechanism. If it is an add-in, it will be there  anyway??).
>
> 1. Options are to export/import objects to/from text output/input.
>
> 2. Objects are tables (as csv, xls or xms),
> queries/forms/reports/macros/modules (as text)
>
> 3. All or individually.
>
> 4. A2k3 based.
>
> 5. Credits to AccessD please.
>
> 6. Name comes from EAT (Export as Text) and Bloat (reduce bloat when
> reimporting the objects).  Hence, EATBloat.
>
> 7. Works best when first installed in a working mdb and then export the
> objects while everything is ok.  Then when trouble comes,  create  a new
> mdb, load EatBloat form and import all the objects again.
>
> 8. If I have missed any questions, please come back.
>
> Thanks
>
> Max
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: 10 February 2010 20:36
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Dan
>
> ...I've used Max's EatBloat for the longest time ...that said, the process
> of including it within my mdb file meant I always had to strip it out just
> before producing an mde for my clients ...rewriting it as an add-in would
> provide all the benefits without having to import it into each of my mdbs
> and remembering to delete it before production ...just less work for me
> ...and much easier to use over a number of mdbs.
>
> ...my opinion of course, worth what it cost you :)
>
> William
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:05 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> Max had all the functionality in a single form, which I liked.  That way 
>> a
>> developer can just include it in any access file!
>>
>> This won't be commercial - when it's done I'll turn it over to Access D
>> for
>> 'ownership'.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:07 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Hi Dan --
>>
>> I didn't know.
>> Please do it.
>> What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within Access
>> Developer Assistant add-in - just a "Proof Of Concept". And it will need
>> .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system. Not all MS Access
>> developers will want to have it on their systems.
>>
>> Or do you plan to make a commercial version of "Eat Bloat"?
>> Then I will not make its "lightweight" version within Access Developer
>> Assistant.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:26 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Hi Shamil,
>>
>> Several months ago I started rewriting the Eat Bloat form from Max.  I 
>> got
>> about 70% done and had to stop due to workload.  But I can now get this
>> done
>> in the next few days.  Let me suggest that you hold off on Eat Bloat for
>> now.  If what I do is something you still want to incorporate, then by 
>> all
>> means please do.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:06 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Thank you, William,
>>
>> I will try to make a sample "Access Developer Assistant Add-in" using
>> "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" with:
>>
>> - Decompile and
>> - "Eat bloat"
>>
>> functionality available next week...
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:40 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> ...yeehah!!!!!! :)))))))
>>
>> ...need a beta tester? ...I'm available :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:16 AM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>>> William,
>>>
>>> Yes, no one can be sure about anything these days - that's a living
>>> "context" all around the world AFAICS...
>>>
>>> OK, I will make EatBloat.NET prototype within Access Developer Assistant
>>> Add-in with all credits to Max - OK Max?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:23 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> ...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets
>>> into
>>> politics and economics and anything
>>> more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :)
>>>
>>> ...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the
>>> import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM
>>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>>> William --
>>>>
>>>> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there?
>>>> How one can be sure about that?
>>>>
>>>> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
>>>> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but
>>>> just:
>>>>
>>>> - make backup copy of current db;
>>>> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
>>>> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
>>>> - compact db;
>>>> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.
>>>>
>>>> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
>>>> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)
>>>>
>>>> Correct Max?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>>> Hindman
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>>> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available 
>>>> ...we've
>>>> hit
>>>>
>>>> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just
>>>> stopped
>>>>
>>>> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked
>>>> for
>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients
>>>> have
>>>> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack
>>>> time
>>>>
>>>> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them,
>>>> used
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs 
>>>> out
>>>> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings.
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
>>>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>
>>>>> William and Max --
>>>>>
>>>>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>>>>>
>>>>> - Creates new mdb...
>>>>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
>>>>> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>>>>>
>>>>> What about relationships?
>>>>> What about import/export specs?
>>>>> What about ADPs?
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from
>>>>> multiple
>>>>> preset configs...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it 
>>>>> was
>>>>> able
>>>>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many 
>>>>> as
>>>>> one
>>>>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries)
>>>>> and
>>>>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
>>>>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in
>>>>> the
>>>>> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> ...I may
>>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent
>>>>> Add-ins
>>>>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
>>>>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of
>>>>> what
>>>>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>>> guru
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> OK
>>>>>
>>>>> <<<
>>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>>> the
>>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle
>>>>> for
>>>>> the next few months?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Shamil
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>>>> Hindman
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
>>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>>
>>>>> Shamil
>>>>>
>>>>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC
>>>>> was
>>>>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is
>>>>> certainly
>>>>>
>>>>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do
>>>>> wonders
>>>>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest
>>>>> version
>>>>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version
>>>>> out
>>>>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new
>>>>> mdb
>>>>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them 
>>>>> but
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
>>>>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I
>>>>> do
>>>>> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site
>>>>> it
>>>>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
>>>>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex
>>>>> license
>>>>> would work in this case.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>>> guru
>>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>>> the
>>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with 
>>>>> ...I
>>>>> may
>>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>
>>>>> William
>>>>>
>>>>> <<< snip >>>
>>>>>
>>>




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 11:33:05 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:33:05 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
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Shamil,

Look here.,,

http://blogs.zdnet.com/doc/?p=1164

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 11 February 2010 17:16
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Thank you, Max.

<<<
5. Credits to AccessD please.
>>>
Sure.

I do not plan to handle tables in my (first) version.
AFAIU/AFAIHS bloating is mainly caused by other object types, and tables
tend to reuse freed space of an MDB file...

But if handle tables in EatBloat then one have also to find a way to handle
relationships - the latter can be done of course with some more coding but
then the following question arises - why not use KISS approach?:

- make backup;
- drop current;
- create new;
- import all objects from backup (.TransferDatabase...);
- recreate relationships;
- get import/export specs;
- get changed database and user defined properties;

?

I'm probably missing something? 

Please advise.

(Yes, I do realize that tables saved as .csv, or .xml together with other
objects saved as text can be kept as a backup (very compact if additionally
zipped) - but that should be called backup/restore utility then?)

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

No William, I have used it longer than you <g>
 
Hi William, Dan, Shamil etc,

Sorry for not responding. Had a head cold which knocked me a bit.
Recovering a bit  now.

Basically, a single form (don't have to strip  it out William when creating
mde, just let it sit there - even tell the customer to run it weekly as a
backup mechanism. If it is an add-in, it will be there  anyway??).

1. Options are to export/import objects to/from text output/input.

2. Objects are tables (as csv, xls or xms),
queries/forms/reports/macros/modules (as text)

3. All or individually.

4. A2k3 based.

5. Credits to AccessD please.

6. Name comes from EAT (Export as Text) and Bloat (reduce bloat when
reimporting the objects).  Hence, EATBloat.

7. Works best when first installed in a working mdb and then export the
objects while everything is ok.  Then when trouble comes,  create  a new
mdb, load EatBloat form and import all the objects again.

8. If I have missed any questions, please come back.

Thanks

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: 10 February 2010 20:36
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Dan

...I've used Max's EatBloat for the longest time ...that said, the process 
of including it within my mdb file meant I always had to strip it out just 
before producing an mde for my clients ...rewriting it as an add-in would 
provide all the benefits without having to import it into each of my mdbs 
and remembering to delete it before production ...just less work for me 
...and much easier to use over a number of mdbs.

...my opinion of course, worth what it cost you :)

William
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:05 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

> Max had all the functionality in a single form, which I liked.  That way a
> developer can just include it in any access file!
>
> This won't be commercial - when it's done I'll turn it over to Access D 
> for
> 'ownership'.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:07 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Hi Dan --
>
> I didn't know.
> Please do it.
> What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within Access
> Developer Assistant add-in - just a "Proof Of Concept". And it will need
> .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system. Not all MS Access
> developers will want to have it on their systems.
>
> Or do you plan to make a commercial version of "Eat Bloat"?
> Then I will not make its "lightweight" version within Access Developer
> Assistant.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Hi Shamil,
>
> Several months ago I started rewriting the Eat Bloat form from Max.  I got
> about 70% done and had to stop due to workload.  But I can now get this 
> done
> in the next few days.  Let me suggest that you hold off on Eat Bloat for
> now.  If what I do is something you still want to incorporate, then by all
> means please do.
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:06 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> Thank you, William,
>
> I will try to make a sample "Access Developer Assistant Add-in" using
> "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" with:
>
> - Decompile and
> - "Eat bloat"
>
> functionality available next week...
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:40 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
> ...yeehah!!!!!! :)))))))
>
> ...need a beta tester? ...I'm available :)
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:16 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>
>> William,
>>
>> Yes, no one can be sure about anything these days - that's a living
>> "context" all around the world AFAICS...
>>
>> OK, I will make EatBloat.NET prototype within Access Developer Assistant
>> Add-in with all credits to Max - OK Max?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:23 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ...no one can be sure about anything here these days ...but that gets 
>> into
>> politics and economics and anything
>> more I'd say would be sure to piss someone off on the list, eh :)
>>
>> ...I think you've probably identified the core of EatBloat ...after the
>> import, I'd think you'd want to add a compact.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 AM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>
>>> William --
>>>
>>> But you suppose that "lazy season" will last just a few months there?
>>> How one can be sure about that?
>>>
>>> OK, AFAIS "Eat Bloat" uses undocumented features .SaveTex/.LoadText
>>> therefore it shouldn't touch/bother about tables and relationships but
>>> just:
>>>
>>> - make backup copy of current db;
>>> - save queries, forms, reports, macros, modules as text files;
>>> - delete queries, forms, reports, macros, modules;
>>> - compact db;
>>> - load queries, forms, reports, macros, modules from saved text files.
>>>
>>> (if db to fix has AutoExec macro or start-up form then they should be
>>> disabled manually before "Eat Bloat" run)
>>>
>>> Correct Max?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:16 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> ...not idle ...just a significant cutback in the work available ...we've
>>> hit
>>>
>>> over 18% unemployed here in Palm Beach including those who have just
>>> stopped
>>>
>>> looking or ran out of unemployment benefits ...my largest client asked
>>> for
>>
>>> a
>>>
>>> 50% cut in project hours, just stringing things out ...other clients 
>>> have
>>> done the same or stopped work altogether ...so there is plenty of slack
>>> time
>>>
>>> available right now, time for learning new things, cleaning up old ones
>>> :)
>>>
>>> ...Eat Bloat exports everything to text files, then re-imports them, 
>>> used
>>> to
>>>
>>> work like a charm but there is a bug in the latest version that errs out
>>> ...Max would have to give you the inner workings.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:33 PM
>>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>
>>>> William and Max --
>>>>
>>>> What "Eat Bloat' actually does? (sorry I didn't use it)
>>>>
>>>> - Creates new mdb...
>>>> - and exports all MS Access objects (tables, queries, forms, reports,
>>>> macros, modules) into this new mdb?
>>>>
>>>> What about relationships?
>>>> What about import/export specs?
>>>> What about ADPs?
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from
>>>> multiple
>>>> preset configs...
>>>>>>>
>>>> MS Access Applications Manager did something like that - in fact it was
>>>> able
>>>> to create one solid FE together with BE or one shell FE with as many as
>>>> one
>>>> wanted to have library FEs (with forms and reports in that libraries)
>>>> and
>>>> one/several BEs with linked tables etc. - all built "automagically"
>>>> including SageKey InstallShield script with ready to use setup kit in
>>>> the
>>>> end - something like that AFAIKR...
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> ...I may
>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>>>>
>>>> As I noted Add-In Express does allow to develop version independent
>>>> Add-ins
>>>> including their setup - there will be no need to keep several code
>>>> versions/branches/setups - there should just be custom description of
>>>> what
>>>> custom add-in features are used for what target MS Access version...
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>> guru
>>>>>>>
>>>> OK
>>>>
>>>> <<<
>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>> the
>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with
>>>>>>>
>>>> Do you mean current global recession which may force you to stay idle
>>>> for
>>>> the next few months?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>>> Hindman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:00 PM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
>>>>
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>>> ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC
>>>> was
>>>> going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is
>>>> certainly
>>>>
>>>> a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do
>>>> wonders
>>>> for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest
>>>> version
>>>> just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version
>>>> out
>>>> ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement.
>>>>
>>>> ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new
>>>> mdb
>>>> design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but
>>>> I'm
>>>> looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple
>>>> preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I
>>>> do
>>>> one ready to be compiled into an mde.
>>>>
>>>> ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site
>>>> it
>>>> doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you
>>>> couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex
>>>> license
>>>> would work in this case.
>>>>
>>>> ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code
>>>> guru
>>>> ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for
>>>> the
>>>> next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I
>>>> may
>>>> invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me
>>>> ...still A2k3 bound :)
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>>
>>>> <<< snip >>>
>>>>
>>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 12:41:55 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:41:55 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
In-Reply-To: <5AB89150CD7643149A397401EE4936B5@SusanOne>
References: <5AB89150CD7643149A397401EE4936B5@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <8786a4c01002111041k108e0599l111c86cb0d5d9190@mail.gmail.com>

Those people that love it must not be Access users (or are new to Access)



D

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/?p=2635&alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE
>
> I asked which 2007 application you'd like to downgrade to 2003 -- Access is
> winning.
>
> Susan H.
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 12:53:17 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:53:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
References: <5AB89150CD7643149A397401EE4936B5@SusanOne>
	<8786a4c01002111041k108e0599l111c86cb0d5d9190@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9334E4E322DD4C108C7296DD69F934E7@SusanOne>

Well, I think you might be right. :) Although, I have talked to a few Access 
developers who really like 2007 -- but it took them awhile to adjust.

Susan H.


> Those people that love it must not be Access users (or are new to Access)



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 13:11:35 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:11:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
In-Reply-To: <9334E4E322DD4C108C7296DD69F934E7@SusanOne>
References: <5AB89150CD7643149A397401EE4936B5@SusanOne>
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traitors :P

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I think you might be right. :) Although, I have talked to a few Access
> developers who really like 2007 -- but it took them awhile to adjust.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> Those people that love it must not be Access users (or are new to Access)
>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 14:28:04 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:28:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
Message-ID: <7c7841601002111228n79447005v2982b10cde0ae86e@mail.gmail.com>

> > Shamil:
> > What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within
> > Access Developer Assistant add-in ... And it will need
> > .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system.
> >
> Ken:
> Just so I'm clear, are you going to automate the EatBloat function using
> only .NET, or will you be calling the existing VBA code from .NET?
>
> Shamil:
> Just using .NET, Ken.
>
> A COM-Add-In developed using C# and "Add-In Express for Office and .NET"
> ...
>

That sounds like a good idea.

I bumped into the limitations of VBA when I developed an Access Rebuild
application which rebuilt Forms and Reports control-by-control,
property-by-property.

The motivation for this was a monster frontend (almost 40Mb in mde format)
with persistent corruption problems that not even SaveAsText/LoadFromText
could fix.

The program, while time-consuming to run, was remarkably effective in giving
the frontend a 'new lease on life'. Several huge forms, with almost a decade
of development history, could now be edited without aggressive bloat. It
also reset the lifetime control count, which allowed extending forms which
had long since run into this limit.

I often thought that redoing the code in C# or VB.NET would have allowed a
lot of extra flexibility in handling the coding issues that arose when
tackling this problem.

-Ken


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 14:34:47 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:34:47 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002111228n79447005v2982b10cde0ae86e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841601002111228n79447005v2982b10cde0ae86e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b7469fe.0702d00a.3a82.ffffafb5@mx.google.com>

> . It also reset the lifetime control count,

What is this Ken?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 11 February 2010 20:28
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> > Shamil:
> > What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within
> > Access Developer Assistant add-in ... And it will need
> > .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system.
> >
> Ken:
> Just so I'm clear, are you going to automate the EatBloat function using
> only .NET, or will you be calling the existing VBA code from .NET?
>
> Shamil:
> Just using .NET, Ken.
>
> A COM-Add-In developed using C# and "Add-In Express for Office and .NET"
> ...
>

That sounds like a good idea.

I bumped into the limitations of VBA when I developed an Access Rebuild
application which rebuilt Forms and Reports control-by-control,
property-by-property.

The motivation for this was a monster frontend (almost 40Mb in mde format)
with persistent corruption problems that not even SaveAsText/LoadFromText
could fix.

The program, while time-consuming to run, was remarkably effective in giving
the frontend a 'new lease on life'. Several huge forms, with almost a decade
of development history, could now be edited without aggressive bloat. It
also reset the lifetime control count, which allowed extending forms which
had long since run into this limit.

I often thought that redoing the code in C# or VB.NET would have allowed a
lot of extra flexibility in handling the coding issues that arose when
tackling this problem.

-Ken
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From martinreid at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 14:36:47 2010
From: martinreid at gmail.com (Martin)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:36:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
In-Reply-To: <8786a4c01002111111u28fd3a04gc683c4b4646b58af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5AB89150CD7643149A397401EE4936B5@SusanOne>
	<8786a4c01002111041k108e0599l111c86cb0d5d9190@mail.gmail.com>
	<9334E4E322DD4C108C7296DD69F934E7@SusanOne>
	<8786a4c01002111111u28fd3a04gc683c4b4646b58af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7d60f23a1002111236i3bc9c39y22bdbf369e87c963@mail.gmail.com>

Been using Office 14 for some time now. 2007 is gine. Before msot peopel
even knew it was ther (<:

Martin

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> traitors :P
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Well, I think you might be right. :) Although, I have talked to a few
> Access
> > developers who really like 2007 -- but it took them awhile to adjust.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> >> Those people that love it must not be Access users (or are new to
> Access)
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Feb 11 14:47:25 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:47:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <4b7469fe.0702d00a.3a82.ffffafb5@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841601002111228n79447005v2982b10cde0ae86e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4b7469fe.0702d00a.3a82.ffffafb5@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <55EA967F3C04497687E602EC8CFC71C3@XPS>

Max,

  Access has a limit of creating 754 controls over the lifetime of a form.
Once you hit that limit, that's it.  You need to re-create the form.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> . It also reset the lifetime control count,

What is this Ken?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 11 February 2010 20:28
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> > Shamil:
> > What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within
> > Access Developer Assistant add-in ... And it will need
> > .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system.
> >
> Ken:
> Just so I'm clear, are you going to automate the EatBloat function using
> only .NET, or will you be calling the existing VBA code from .NET?
>
> Shamil:
> Just using .NET, Ken.
>
> A COM-Add-In developed using C# and "Add-In Express for Office and .NET"
> ...
>

That sounds like a good idea.

I bumped into the limitations of VBA when I developed an Access Rebuild
application which rebuilt Forms and Reports control-by-control,
property-by-property.

The motivation for this was a monster frontend (almost 40Mb in mde format)
with persistent corruption problems that not even SaveAsText/LoadFromText
could fix.

The program, while time-consuming to run, was remarkably effective in giving
the frontend a 'new lease on life'. Several huge forms, with almost a decade
of development history, could now be edited without aggressive bloat. It
also reset the lifetime control count, which allowed extending forms which
had long since run into this limit.

I often thought that redoing the code in C# or VB.NET would have allowed a
lot of extra flexibility in handling the coding issues that arose when
tackling this problem.

-Ken
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 14:47:19 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:47:19 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>
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Shamil, William, Dan,

I am stripping EAtBloat down to just the basics in a module. No form, just
code.
It will export everything.
You can then  see  how it works.

I will post in 3 sections due to List size restrictions.

Max




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 15:06:30 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:06:30 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>
	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>
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Section 1

Max

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const conPathStem As String = "\ExportedAsText\"
Const conPathPages As String = "Pages\"
Const conPathForms As String = "Forms\"
Const conPathMacros As String = "Macros\"
Const conPathModules As String = "Modules\"
Const conPathQueries As String = "Queries\"
Const conPathReports As String = "Reports\"
Const conPathTables As String = "Tables\"
Const conpathTablesLocal As String = "Tables\Local\"
Const conpathTablesLinked As String = "Tables\Linked\"

'Const conPathTablesXLS As String = "Tables\XLS\"
'Const conPathTablesXLSLocal As String = "Tables\XLS\Local\"
'Const conPathTablesXLSLinked As String = "Tables\XLS\Linked\"
'Const conPathTablesXML As String = "Tables\XML\"
'Const conPathTablesXMLLocal As String = "Tables\XML\Local\"
'Const conPathTablesXMLLinked As String = "Tables\XML\Linked\"
Const conTable = 0
Const conQuery = 1
Const conForm = 2
Const conReport = 3
Const conMacro = 4
Const conModule = 5
Const conDAP = 6
Private strObjPath As String
Private strObj As String
Private strDir As String
Private pIntFileNumber As Integer, pIntFileNumber2 As Integer

Private Sub sStart()
    strDir = Application.CurrentProject.Path & conPathStem
    Call sCheckAndCreateSubDirs(strDir)
    Call sExportAllObjects
    Call sImportAllObjects
End Sub



Private Sub sCheckAndCreateSubDirs(strDir As String)
    On Error GoTo errhandler
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathPages)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathForms)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathMacros)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathModules)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathQueries)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathReports)
    'If Not fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathTablesXLS) Then
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathTables)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conpathTablesLocal)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conpathTablesLinked)
    '  Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathTablesXLS)
    '  Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathTablesXLSLocal)
    '  Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathTablesXLSLinked)
    'End If
    'If Not fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathTablesXML) Then
    '  Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathTables)
    '  Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathTablesXML)
    '  Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathTablesXMLLocal)
    '  Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathTablesXMLLinked)
    'End If
exithere:
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sCheckAndCreateSubDirs(): " & Err.Number &
vbCrLf & Err.Description
    Resume Next
End Sub


Private Function fCreateFolder(sFolder As String) As Boolean
'An error occurs if the specified folder already exists, and that is ok.
    On Error GoTo errhandler
    Dim fs
    fCreateFolder = False
    Set fs = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    fs.CreateFolder sFolder
    fCreateFolder = True
exithere:
    Exit Function
errhandler:
    fCreateFolder = False
    Select Case Err.Number
    Case 58  ' Folder already exists
        fCreateFolder = True
        Resume exithere
    Case 76  ' path not found, create intermediate folders
        Resume exithere
    Case 70    ' system not allowing
        Resume exithere
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Cannot Create Folder Error in fCreateFolder():" & Err.Number
& vbCrLf & Err.Description
    End Select
    Resume exithere
End Function



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 15:07:33 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:07:33 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>
	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4b7471af.0a04d00a.7096.ffff97a9@mx.google.com>

Section 2 - Export

Max

Private Sub sExportAllObjects()
    On Error GoTo errhandler
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database, qdf As DAO.QueryDef
    Dim obj As Object, prjObj As Object
    Dim lngLoop As Integer
    Dim sql As String
    Dim strTemp As String
    Dim bProcess As Boolean, bLocalTables As Boolean, bLinkedTables As
Boolean
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    Set prjObj = Application.CurrentProject
    ' we are going to export EVERYTHING in this demo
    'Select Case lngObjectType
    'Case acForm
    For Each obj In prjObj.AllForms
        strObj = obj.Name: strObjPath = strDir & conPathForms & strObj &
".txt"
        Call fExport(acForm, "")
    Next obj
    'Case acMacro
    For Each obj In prjObj.AllMacros
        strObj = obj.Name: strObjPath = strDir & conPathMacros & strObj &
".txt"
        Call fExport(acMacro, "")
    Next obj
    'Case acModule
    For Each obj In prjObj.AllModules
        strObj = obj.Name: strObjPath = strDir & conPathModules & strObj &
".txt"
        Call fExport(acModule, "")
    Next obj
    'Case acDataAccessPage
    For Each obj In prjObj.AllDataAccessPages
        strObj = obj.Name: strObjPath = strDir & conPathPages & strObj &
".txt"
        Call fExport(acDataAccessPage, "")
    Next obj
    'Case acReport
    For Each obj In prjObj.AllReports
        strObj = obj.Name: strObjPath = strDir & conPathReports & strObj &
".txt"
        Call fExport(acReport, "")
    Next obj
    'Case acQuery
    For lngLoop = 0 To dbs.QueryDefs.Count - 1
        Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(lngLoop)
        If Not Left(qdf.Name, 1) = "~" And Not Left(qdf.Name, 4) = "Msys"
Then
            strObj = qdf.Name: strObjPath = strDir & conPathQueries & strObj
& ".txt"
            Call fExport(acQuery, "")
        End If
    Next lngLoop
    'Case acTable
    For lngLoop = 0 To dbs.TableDefs.Count - 1
        bProcess = False
        Set obj = dbs.TableDefs(lngLoop)
        If Not InStr(obj.Name, "ExportError") > 0 Then
            If Not Left(obj.Name, 1) = "~" And Not Left(obj.Name, 4) =
"Msys" Then
                strObj = obj.Name
                If InStr(obj.Connect, ";") > 0 Then
                    bLinkedTables = True
                    If bLinkedTables Then
                        strObjPath = strDir & conPathTables & "Linked\" &
strObj
                        bProcess = True
                    End If
                Else
                    bLocalTables = True
                    If bLocalTables Then
                        strObjPath = strDir & conPathTables & "Local\" &
strObj
                        bProcess = True
                    End If
                End If
                If bProcess = True Then
                    Call fExport(acTable, "XLS")
                End If
            End If
        End If
    Next lngLoop
    'End Select
exithere:
    Set dbs = Nothing: Set qdf = Nothing: Set obj = Nothing: Set prjObj =
Nothing
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sExportAllObjects(): " & Err.Number & vbCrLf
& Err.Description
    Resume Next
End Sub

Private Function fExport(lngObjectType As Long, strTableType As String) As
Boolean
    On Error GoTo errhandler
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database, qdf As DAO.QueryDef
    Dim sql As String, strIn As String, lngLoop As Long
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    fExport = True  ' default to ok
    Select Case lngObjectType
    Case 0  'acTable
        If Right(strObjPath, 4) = ".txt" Then strObjPath = Left(strObjPath,
Len(strObjPath) - 4) ' drop the .txt bit
        If strTableType = "XLS" Then
            If Not InStr(strObj, "ExportError") > 0 Then
                ' if you want CSV then uncomment next line and create a sub
folder BUT you cannot IMPORT from a CSV file.
                'DoCmd.TransferText A_EXPORTDELIM, , strObj, strPath &
".CSV", True 'uncomment this if you want CSV file as well (but it cannot be
re-imported as CSV)
                DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, , strObj, strObjPath,
True
            End If
        ElseIf strTableType = "XML" Then
            If Not InStr(strObj, "ExportError") > 0 Then
                Application.ExportXML ObjectType:=acExportTable,
DataSource:=strObj, DataTarget:=strObjPath & ".xml",
schemaTarget:=strObjPath & "Schema.xml"
            End If
        End If
    Case 1  'acQuery
       ' Print #pIntFileNumber, strObj & ".txt"
        Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(strObj)
        sql = qdf.sql
        pIntFileNumber2 = FreeFile
        Open strObjPath For Output As pIntFileNumber2
        Print #pIntFileNumber2, sql
        Close pIntFileNumber2
    Case 2, 3, 4, 5  'Form, Report, Macro, Module
        Application.SaveAsText lngObjectType, strObj, strObjPath
    Case 6  '  acDataAccessPage not handled - sorry, don't use them.
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Unidentified Object-Type for Export."
        fExport = False
    End Select
exithere:
    Set dbs = Nothing: Set qdf = Nothing
    Exit Function
errhandler:
    fExport = False
    Select Case Err.Number
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Unhandled Error in  fExport(): " & Err.Number & vbCrLf &
Err.Description
        Resume Next
    End Select
    Resume exithere
End Function



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 15:11:19 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:11:19 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <55EA967F3C04497687E602EC8CFC71C3@XPS>
References: <7c7841601002111228n79447005v2982b10cde0ae86e@mail.gmail.com>	<4b7469fe.0702d00a.3a82.ffffafb5@mx.google.com>
	<55EA967F3C04497687E602EC8CFC71C3@XPS>
Message-ID: <4b747291.0702d00a.3a66.ffffec77@mx.google.com>

That doesn't make any sense. It is not as if it  is going to UNDO 754
changes!

Wonder what the  logic there was?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 11 February 2010 20:47
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

Max,

  Access has a limit of creating 754 controls over the lifetime of a form.
Once you hit that limit, that's it.  You need to re-create the form.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> . It also reset the lifetime control count,

What is this Ken?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 11 February 2010 20:28
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> > Shamil:
> > What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within
> > Access Developer Assistant add-in ... And it will need
> > .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system.
> >
> Ken:
> Just so I'm clear, are you going to automate the EatBloat function using
> only .NET, or will you be calling the existing VBA code from .NET?
>
> Shamil:
> Just using .NET, Ken.
>
> A COM-Add-In developed using C# and "Add-In Express for Office and .NET"
> ...
>

That sounds like a good idea.

I bumped into the limitations of VBA when I developed an Access Rebuild
application which rebuilt Forms and Reports control-by-control,
property-by-property.

The motivation for this was a monster frontend (almost 40Mb in mde format)
with persistent corruption problems that not even SaveAsText/LoadFromText
could fix.

The program, while time-consuming to run, was remarkably effective in giving
the frontend a 'new lease on life'. Several huge forms, with almost a decade
of development history, could now be edited without aggressive bloat. It
also reset the lifetime control count, which allowed extending forms which
had long since run into this limit.

I often thought that redoing the code in C# or VB.NET would have allowed a
lot of extra flexibility in handling the coding issues that arose when
tackling this problem.

-Ken
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Feb 11 15:24:12 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:24:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <4b747291.0702d00a.3a66.ffffec77@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841601002111228n79447005v2982b10cde0ae86e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4b7469fe.0702d00a.3a82.ffffafb5@mx.google.com>
	<55EA967F3C04497687E602EC8CFC71C3@XPS>
	<4b747291.0702d00a.3a66.ffffec77@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <02FFA1970BC24B96A30EE73DC1F67F7B@XPS>


 I don't know. It's a really odd number.  I don't understand either why they
could not drop the old controls while a form was being edited.

 Probably if we understood the structure of a form internally, we'd know the
reasons why<g>

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

That doesn't make any sense. It is not as if it  is going to UNDO 754
changes!

Wonder what the  logic there was?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 11 February 2010 20:47
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

Max,

  Access has a limit of creating 754 controls over the lifetime of a form.
Once you hit that limit, that's it.  You need to re-create the form.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> . It also reset the lifetime control count,

What is this Ken?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 11 February 2010 20:28
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> > Shamil:
> > What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within
> > Access Developer Assistant add-in ... And it will need
> > .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system.
> >
> Ken:
> Just so I'm clear, are you going to automate the EatBloat function using
> only .NET, or will you be calling the existing VBA code from .NET?
>
> Shamil:
> Just using .NET, Ken.
>
> A COM-Add-In developed using C# and "Add-In Express for Office and .NET"
> ...
>

That sounds like a good idea.

I bumped into the limitations of VBA when I developed an Access Rebuild
application which rebuilt Forms and Reports control-by-control,
property-by-property.

The motivation for this was a monster frontend (almost 40Mb in mde format)
with persistent corruption problems that not even SaveAsText/LoadFromText
could fix.

The program, while time-consuming to run, was remarkably effective in giving
the frontend a 'new lease on life'. Several huge forms, with almost a decade
of development history, could now be edited without aggressive bloat. It
also reset the lifetime control count, which allowed extending forms which
had long since run into this limit.

I often thought that redoing the code in C# or VB.NET would have allowed a
lot of extra flexibility in handling the coding issues that arose when
tackling this problem.

-Ken
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 15:31:27 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:31:27 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <02FFA1970BC24B96A30EE73DC1F67F7B@XPS>
References: <7c7841601002111228n79447005v2982b10cde0ae86e@mail.gmail.com>	<4b7469fe.0702d00a.3a82.ffffafb5@mx.google.com>	<55EA967F3C04497687E602EC8CFC71C3@XPS>	<4b747291.0702d00a.3a66.ffffec77@mx.google.com>
	<02FFA1970BC24B96A30EE73DC1F67F7B@XPS>
Message-ID: <4b74774b.1818d00a.12c5.ffffb407@mx.google.com>

One of the mysteries of the universe.

Here is the structure of a (simple) form...as to understanding it,
well..that is entirely another matter <g>

Max

Version =19
VersionRequired =19
Checksum =1766917867
Begin Form
    AllowDesignChanges = NotDefault
    DefaultView =0
    RecordLocks =2
    TabularFamily =48
    PictureAlignment =2
    DatasheetGridlinesBehavior =3
    GridY =10
    Width =10658
    DatasheetFontHeight =9
    DatasheetFontWeight =700
    DatasheetGridlinesColor =12632256
    RecSrcDt = Begin
        0x941b5921ae85e340
    End
    DatasheetFontName ="Verdana"
    Begin
        Begin Section
            Height =4025
            BackColor =-2147483633
            Name ="Detail"
            GUID = Begin
                0xe61055b85f5b6b4aaa61db723ad0763b
            End
        End
    End
End




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 11 February 2010 21:24
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET


 I don't know. It's a really odd number.  I don't understand either why they
could not drop the old controls while a form was being edited.

 Probably if we understood the structure of a form internally, we'd know the
reasons why<g>

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

That doesn't make any sense. It is not as if it  is going to UNDO 754
changes!

Wonder what the  logic there was?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 11 February 2010 20:47
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

Max,

  Access has a limit of creating 754 controls over the lifetime of a form.
Once you hit that limit, that's it.  You need to re-create the form.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> . It also reset the lifetime control count,

What is this Ken?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 11 February 2010 20:28
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> > Shamil:
> > What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within
> > Access Developer Assistant add-in ... And it will need
> > .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system.
> >
> Ken:
> Just so I'm clear, are you going to automate the EatBloat function using
> only .NET, or will you be calling the existing VBA code from .NET?
>
> Shamil:
> Just using .NET, Ken.
>
> A COM-Add-In developed using C# and "Add-In Express for Office and .NET"
> ...
>

That sounds like a good idea.

I bumped into the limitations of VBA when I developed an Access Rebuild
application which rebuilt Forms and Reports control-by-control,
property-by-property.

The motivation for this was a monster frontend (almost 40Mb in mde format)
with persistent corruption problems that not even SaveAsText/LoadFromText
could fix.

The program, while time-consuming to run, was remarkably effective in giving
the frontend a 'new lease on life'. Several huge forms, with almost a decade
of development history, could now be edited without aggressive bloat. It
also reset the lifetime control count, which allowed extending forms which
had long since run into this limit.

I often thought that redoing the code in C# or VB.NET would have allowed a
lot of extra flexibility in handling the coding issues that arose when
tackling this problem.

-Ken
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Feb 11 16:29:03 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:29:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <4b747291.0702d00a.3a66.ffffec77@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841601002111228n79447005v2982b10cde0ae86e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4b7469fe.0702d00a.3a82.ffffafb5@mx.google.com>
	<55EA967F3C04497687E602EC8CFC71C3@XPS>
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Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E3656B4D2@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

It's been that way since Access first came out.  They had to introduce subforms and subreports to get around it.  There's also a limit on the overall length of a form or report in design view.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

That doesn't make any sense. It is not as if it  is going to UNDO 754
changes!

Wonder what the  logic there was?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 11 February 2010 20:47
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

Max,

  Access has a limit of creating 754 controls over the lifetime of a form.
Once you hit that limit, that's it.  You need to re-create the form.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> . It also reset the lifetime control count,

What is this Ken?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 11 February 2010 20:28
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> > Shamil:
> > What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within
> > Access Developer Assistant add-in ... And it will need
> > .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system.
> >
> Ken:
> Just so I'm clear, are you going to automate the EatBloat function using
> only .NET, or will you be calling the existing VBA code from .NET?
>
> Shamil:
> Just using .NET, Ken.
>
> A COM-Add-In developed using C# and "Add-In Express for Office and .NET"
> ...
>

That sounds like a good idea.

I bumped into the limitations of VBA when I developed an Access Rebuild
application which rebuilt Forms and Reports control-by-control,
property-by-property.

The motivation for this was a monster frontend (almost 40Mb in mde format)
with persistent corruption problems that not even SaveAsText/LoadFromText
could fix.

The program, while time-consuming to run, was remarkably effective in giving
the frontend a 'new lease on life'. Several huge forms, with almost a decade
of development history, could now be edited without aggressive bloat. It
also reset the lifetime control count, which allowed extending forms which
had long since run into this limit.

I often thought that redoing the code in C# or VB.NET would have allowed a
lot of extra flexibility in handling the coding issues that arose when
tackling this problem.

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Feb 11 16:33:20 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:33:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <4b74774b.1818d00a.12c5.ffffb407@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841601002111228n79447005v2982b10cde0ae86e@mail.gmail.com>,
	<02FFA1970BC24B96A30EE73DC1F67F7B@XPS>,
	<4b74774b.1818d00a.12c5.ffffb407@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4B7485B0.29168.37D7FC5D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That is not  the "structure" of the form.  That is a list of the "properties" of the form which 
have been set.  

The structure would be details about  all the external and internal properties(such as lifetime 
count of controls) and how these properties are stored internally.

-- 
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On 11 Feb 2010 at 21:31, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> One of the mysteries of the universe.
> 
> Here is the structure of a (simple) form...as to understanding it,
> well..that is entirely another matter <g>
> 
> Max
> 
> Version =19
> VersionRequired =19
> Checksum =1766917867
> Begin Form
>     AllowDesignChanges = NotDefault
>     DefaultView =0
>     RecordLocks =2
>     TabularFamily =48
>     PictureAlignment =2
>     DatasheetGridlinesBehavior =3
>     GridY =10
>     Width =10658
>     DatasheetFontHeight =9
>     DatasheetFontWeight =700
>     DatasheetGridlinesColor =12632256
>     RecSrcDt = Begin
>         0x941b5921ae85e340
>     End
>     DatasheetFontName ="Verdana"
>     Begin
>         Begin Section
>             Height =4025
>             BackColor =-2147483633
>             Name ="Detail"
>             GUID = Begin
>                 0xe61055b85f5b6b4aaa61db723ad0763b
>             End
>         End
>     End
> End
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: 11 February 2010 21:24
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
> 
> 
>  I don't know. It's a really odd number.  I don't understand either why they
> could not drop the old controls while a form was being edited.
> 
>  Probably if we understood the structure of a form internally, we'd know the
> reasons why<g>
> 
> Jim.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
> 
> That doesn't make any sense. It is not as if it  is going to UNDO 754
> changes!
> 
> Wonder what the  logic there was?
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: 11 February 2010 20:47
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
> 
> Max,
> 
>   Access has a limit of creating 754 controls over the lifetime of a form.
> Once you hit that limit, that's it.  You need to re-create the form.
> 
> Jim. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:35 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
> 
> > . It also reset the lifetime control count,
> 
> What is this Ken?
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: 11 February 2010 20:28
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
> 
> > > Shamil:
> > > What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within
> > > Access Developer Assistant add-in ... And it will need
> > > .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system.
> > >
> > Ken:
> > Just so I'm clear, are you going to automate the EatBloat function using
> > only .NET, or will you be calling the existing VBA code from .NET?
> >
> > Shamil:
> > Just using .NET, Ken.
> >
> > A COM-Add-In developed using C# and "Add-In Express for Office and .NET"
> > ...
> >
> 
> That sounds like a good idea.
> 
> I bumped into the limitations of VBA when I developed an Access Rebuild
> application which rebuilt Forms and Reports control-by-control,
> property-by-property.
> 
> The motivation for this was a monster frontend (almost 40Mb in mde format)
> with persistent corruption problems that not even SaveAsText/LoadFromText
> could fix.
> 
> The program, while time-consuming to run, was remarkably effective in giving
> the frontend a 'new lease on life'. Several huge forms, with almost a decade
> of development history, could now be edited without aggressive bloat. It
> also reset the lifetime control count, which allowed extending forms which
> had long since run into this limit.
> 
> I often thought that redoing the code in C# or VB.NET would have allowed a
> lot of extra flexibility in handling the coding issues that arose when
> tackling this problem.
> 
> -Ken
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 16:39:40 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:39:40 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <4B7485B0.29168.37D7FC5D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <7c7841601002111228n79447005v2982b10cde0ae86e@mail.gmail.com>,
	<02FFA1970BC24B96A30EE73DC1F67F7B@XPS>,
	<4b74774b.1818d00a.12c5.ffffb407@mx.google.com>
	<4B7485B0.29168.37D7FC5D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4b748751.0702d00a.3a89.7ae2@mx.google.com>

Well, you can IMPORT that text file into any MDB (not just the one it came
from) and it will re-create EXACTLY the same form.

Therefore, the properties you mention are more to do with the mdb and how
they relate to that particular  mdb,  and not the form per se.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 11 February 2010 22:33
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

That is not  the "structure" of the form.  That is a list of the
"properties" of the form which 
have been set.  

The structure would be details about  all the external and internal
properties(such as lifetime 
count of controls) and how these properties are stored internally.

-- 
Stuart

On 11 Feb 2010 at 21:31, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> One of the mysteries of the universe.
> 
> Here is the structure of a (simple) form...as to understanding it,
> well..that is entirely another matter <g>
> 
> Max
> 
> Version =19
> VersionRequired =19
> Checksum =1766917867
> Begin Form
>     AllowDesignChanges = NotDefault
>     DefaultView =0
>     RecordLocks =2
>     TabularFamily =48
>     PictureAlignment =2
>     DatasheetGridlinesBehavior =3
>     GridY =10
>     Width =10658
>     DatasheetFontHeight =9
>     DatasheetFontWeight =700
>     DatasheetGridlinesColor =12632256
>     RecSrcDt = Begin
>         0x941b5921ae85e340
>     End
>     DatasheetFontName ="Verdana"
>     Begin
>         Begin Section
>             Height =4025
>             BackColor =-2147483633
>             Name ="Detail"
>             GUID = Begin
>                 0xe61055b85f5b6b4aaa61db723ad0763b
>             End
>         End
>     End
> End
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: 11 February 2010 21:24
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
> 
> 
>  I don't know. It's a really odd number.  I don't understand either why
they
> could not drop the old controls while a form was being edited.
> 
>  Probably if we understood the structure of a form internally, we'd know
the
> reasons why<g>
> 
> Jim.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
> 
> That doesn't make any sense. It is not as if it  is going to UNDO 754
> changes!
> 
> Wonder what the  logic there was?
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: 11 February 2010 20:47
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
> 
> Max,
> 
>   Access has a limit of creating 754 controls over the lifetime of a form.
> Once you hit that limit, that's it.  You need to re-create the form.
> 
> Jim. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:35 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
> 
> > . It also reset the lifetime control count,
> 
> What is this Ken?
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: 11 February 2010 20:28
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
> 
> > > Shamil:
> > > What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within
> > > Access Developer Assistant add-in ... And it will need
> > > .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system.
> > >
> > Ken:
> > Just so I'm clear, are you going to automate the EatBloat function using
> > only .NET, or will you be calling the existing VBA code from .NET?
> >
> > Shamil:
> > Just using .NET, Ken.
> >
> > A COM-Add-In developed using C# and "Add-In Express for Office and .NET"
> > ...
> >
> 
> That sounds like a good idea.
> 
> I bumped into the limitations of VBA when I developed an Access Rebuild
> application which rebuilt Forms and Reports control-by-control,
> property-by-property.
> 
> The motivation for this was a monster frontend (almost 40Mb in mde format)
> with persistent corruption problems that not even SaveAsText/LoadFromText
> could fix.
> 
> The program, while time-consuming to run, was remarkably effective in
giving
> the frontend a 'new lease on life'. Several huge forms, with almost a
decade
> of development history, could now be edited without aggressive bloat. It
> also reset the lifetime control count, which allowed extending forms which
> had long since run into this limit.
> 
> I often thought that redoing the code in C# or VB.NET would have allowed a
> lot of extra flexibility in handling the coding issues that arose when
> tackling this problem.
> 
> -Ken
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 16:41:03 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:41:03 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E3656B4D2@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
References: <7c7841601002111228n79447005v2982b10cde0ae86e@mail.gmail.com>	<4b7469fe.0702d00a.3a82.ffffafb5@mx.google.com>	<55EA967F3C04497687E602EC8CFC71C3@XPS>	<4b747291.0702d00a.3a66.ffffec77@mx.google.com>
	<AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E3656B4D2@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
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Strange.  Obviously a reason but not quite transparent.  Probably an
amalgamation of the count  of  objects summing up to 1024 etc.  Who  knows?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 11 February 2010 22:29
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

It's been that way since Access first came out.  They had to introduce
subforms and subreports to get around it.  There's also a limit on the
overall length of a form or report in design view.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

That doesn't make any sense. It is not as if it  is going to UNDO 754
changes!

Wonder what the  logic there was?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 11 February 2010 20:47
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

Max,

  Access has a limit of creating 754 controls over the lifetime of a form.
Once you hit that limit, that's it.  You need to re-create the form.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> . It also reset the lifetime control count,

What is this Ken?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 11 February 2010 20:28
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> > Shamil:
> > What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within
> > Access Developer Assistant add-in ... And it will need
> > .NET Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system.
> >
> Ken:
> Just so I'm clear, are you going to automate the EatBloat function using
> only .NET, or will you be calling the existing VBA code from .NET?
>
> Shamil:
> Just using .NET, Ken.
>
> A COM-Add-In developed using C# and "Add-In Express for Office and .NET"
> ...
>

That sounds like a good idea.

I bumped into the limitations of VBA when I developed an Access Rebuild
application which rebuilt Forms and Reports control-by-control,
property-by-property.

The motivation for this was a monster frontend (almost 40Mb in mde format)
with persistent corruption problems that not even SaveAsText/LoadFromText
could fix.

The program, while time-consuming to run, was remarkably effective in giving
the frontend a 'new lease on life'. Several huge forms, with almost a decade
of development history, could now be edited without aggressive bloat. It
also reset the lifetime control count, which allowed extending forms which
had long since run into this limit.

I often thought that redoing the code in C# or VB.NET would have allowed a
lot of extra flexibility in handling the coding issues that arose when
tackling this problem.

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Feb 11 17:38:29 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:38:29 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <4b748751.0702d00a.3a89.7ae2@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841601002111228n79447005v2982b10cde0ae86e@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4B7485B0.29168.37D7FC5D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4b748751.0702d00a.3a89.7ae2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4B7494F5.4507.3813A115@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 11 Feb 2010 at 22:39, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> Well, you can IMPORT that text file into any MDB (not just the one it came
> from) and it will re-create EXACTLY the same form.
> 

Only because the "structure" of a form is permanently encoded in every MDB/MDE.

-- 
Stuart


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Feb 11 17:56:33 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:56:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
In-Reply-To: <7d60f23a1002111236i3bc9c39y22bdbf369e87c963@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5AB89150CD7643149A397401EE4936B5@SusanOne><8786a4c01002111041k108e0599l111c86cb0d5d9190@mail.gmail.com><9334E4E322DD4C108C7296DD69F934E7@SusanOne><8786a4c01002111111u28fd3a04gc683c4b4646b58af@mail.gmail.com>
	<7d60f23a1002111236i3bc9c39y22bdbf369e87c963@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6BF4F9DDFDD6410FB9392D63BE597C4C@HAL9005>

Office 14 would be Office 2010? 

Is there a release date?

Does it compare with Office 2007 like W7 compares with Vista which is to say
it's really good versus really bad)?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll

Been using Office 14 for some time now. 2007 is gine. Before msot peopel
even knew it was ther (<:

Martin

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> traitors :P
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Well, I think you might be right. :) Although, I have talked to a 
> > few
> Access
> > developers who really like 2007 -- but it took them awhile to adjust.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> >> Those people that love it must not be Access users (or are new to
> Access)
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Feb 11 17:57:59 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:57:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <55EA967F3C04497687E602EC8CFC71C3@XPS>
References: <7c7841601002111228n79447005v2982b10cde0ae86e@mail.gmail.com><4b7469fe.0702d00a.3a82.ffffafb5@mx.google.com>
	<55EA967F3C04497687E602EC8CFC71C3@XPS>
Message-ID: <08EA8C52D7884B329E5C14CE36195554@HAL9005>

If you hit the limit can you export the form to a text file and then
reimport it to reset the object counter?

R 

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Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

Max,

  Access has a limit of creating 754 controls over the lifetime of a form.
Once you hit that limit, that's it.  You need to re-create the form.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> . It also reset the lifetime control count,

What is this Ken?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 11 February 2010 20:28
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> > Shamil:
> > What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within 
> > Access Developer Assistant add-in ... And it will need .NET 
> > Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system.
> >
> Ken:
> Just so I'm clear, are you going to automate the EatBloat function 
> using only .NET, or will you be calling the existing VBA code from .NET?
>
> Shamil:
> Just using .NET, Ken.
>
> A COM-Add-In developed using C# and "Add-In Express for Office and .NET"
> ...
>

That sounds like a good idea.

I bumped into the limitations of VBA when I developed an Access Rebuild
application which rebuilt Forms and Reports control-by-control,
property-by-property.

The motivation for this was a monster frontend (almost 40Mb in mde format)
with persistent corruption problems that not even SaveAsText/LoadFromText
could fix.

The program, while time-consuming to run, was remarkably effective in giving
the frontend a 'new lease on life'. Several huge forms, with almost a decade
of development history, could now be edited without aggressive bloat. It
also reset the lifetime control count, which allowed extending forms which
had long since run into this limit.

I often thought that redoing the code in C# or VB.NET would have allowed a
lot of extra flexibility in handling the coding issues that arose when
tackling this problem.

-Ken
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Feb 11 18:07:54 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:07:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <08EA8C52D7884B329E5C14CE36195554@HAL9005>
References: <7c7841601002111228n79447005v2982b10cde0ae86e@mail.gmail.com>,
	<55EA967F3C04497687E602EC8CFC71C3@XPS>,
	<08EA8C52D7884B329E5C14CE36195554@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4B749BDA.8657.382E90FF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

AFAIK, that will create a new form with the counter initialised.

That's one of the things that EATBloat does do for you.

-- 
Stuart

On 11 Feb 2010 at 15:57, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> If you hit the limit can you export the form to a text file and then
> reimport it to reset the object counter?
> 
> R 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:47 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
> 
> Max,
> 
>   Access has a limit of creating 754 controls over the lifetime of a form.
> Once you hit that limit, that's it.  You need to re-create the form.
> 
> Jim. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:35 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
> 
> > . It also reset the lifetime control count,
> 
> What is this Ken?
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: 11 February 2010 20:28
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
> 
> > > Shamil:
> > > What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within 
> > > Access Developer Assistant add-in ... And it will need .NET 
> > > Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system.
> > >
> > Ken:
> > Just so I'm clear, are you going to automate the EatBloat function 
> > using only .NET, or will you be calling the existing VBA code from .NET?
> >
> > Shamil:
> > Just using .NET, Ken.
> >
> > A COM-Add-In developed using C# and "Add-In Express for Office and .NET"
> > ...
> >
> 
> That sounds like a good idea.
> 
> I bumped into the limitations of VBA when I developed an Access Rebuild
> application which rebuilt Forms and Reports control-by-control,
> property-by-property.
> 
> The motivation for this was a monster frontend (almost 40Mb in mde format)
> with persistent corruption problems that not even SaveAsText/LoadFromText
> could fix.
> 
> The program, while time-consuming to run, was remarkably effective in giving
> the frontend a 'new lease on life'. Several huge forms, with almost a decade
> of development history, could now be edited without aggressive bloat. It
> also reset the lifetime control count, which allowed extending forms which
> had long since run into this limit.
> 
> I often thought that redoing the code in C# or VB.NET would have allowed a
> lot of extra flexibility in handling the coding issues that arose when
> tackling this problem.
> 
> -Ken
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Feb 11 19:51:57 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:51:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box not scrolling
Message-ID: <6A265E4F4077418594F5989B780BE1CB@HAL9005>

Dear List:

I have a combo box on a form with 7 columns and a lot of records
(thousands).  When I pull down the scroll bar to the bottom, the records
don't scroll to the bottom - only a few of the records and then I have to
pull down again.

I have seen this behavior before and IIRC the problem then was that the row
source had more columns than the columns defined on the format tab of the
property sheet.  But that's not the case with this one.

Has anyone seen this behavior and know what's causing it?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Feb 11 19:57:22 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:57:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box not scrolling
In-Reply-To: <6A265E4F4077418594F5989B780BE1CB@HAL9005>
References: <6A265E4F4077418594F5989B780BE1CB@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <181A9358DB114238AC0BACA73E1F99BE@HAL9005>

Belay that.  Found the answer:

Dim lngComboCount as Long
lngComboCount = Me.cboAgreements.ListCount 

Don't know why that works, but it does.  

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box not scrolling

Dear List:

I have a combo box on a form with 7 columns and a lot of records
(thousands).  When I pull down the scroll bar to the bottom, the records
don't scroll to the bottom - only a few of the records and then I have to
pull down again.

I have seen this behavior before and IIRC the problem then was that the row
source had more columns than the columns defined on the format tab of the
property sheet.  But that's not the case with this one.

Has anyone seen this behavior and know what's causing it?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Feb 12 03:19:12 2010
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:19:12 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
In-Reply-To: <6BF4F9DDFDD6410FB9392D63BE597C4C@HAL9005>
References: <5AB89150CD7643149A397401EE4936B5@SusanOne><8786a4c01002111041k108e0599l111c86cb0d5d9190@mail.gmail.com><9334E4E322DD4C108C7296DD69F934E7@SusanOne><8786a4c01002111111u28fd3a04gc683c4b4646b58af@mail.gmail.com>
	<7d60f23a1002111236i3bc9c39y22bdbf369e87c963@mail.gmail.com>,
	<6BF4F9DDFDD6410FB9392D63BE597C4C@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295467E274173@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Rocky

I like it but then I am almost always using SharePoint now and they have made huge changes in how it works with Office that fits into what we do.

Access is still Access and the other apps are still the same. Some changes to interface but generally I prefer it to any of the other versions.

Release this half of the year I would guess.

Martin


Martin WP Reid
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin [rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 11 February 2010 23:56
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll

Office 14 would be Office 2010?

Is there a release date?

Does it compare with Office 2007 like W7 compares with Vista which is to say
it's really good versus really bad)?

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll

Been using Office 14 for some time now. 2007 is gine. Before msot peopel
even knew it was ther (<:

Martin

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> traitors :P
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Well, I think you might be right. :) Although, I have talked to a
> > few
> Access
> > developers who really like 2007 -- but it took them awhile to adjust.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> >> Those people that love it must not be Access users (or are new to
> Access)
> >
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 03:48:01 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:48:01 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>
	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>
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Section 3 - Import

That's the lot now.  No form or user interface. I hope it works ok, seem ok
on my test system but caveat emptor as  always.

I will try to get the complete code in the next email, size will determine
if it gets through.

Change the sStart to either export or import. As shown it does both which
should get rid of bloat in one foul swoop.

But, who knows the secrets of the Black Magic Box?

Max

Private Sub sStart()
    Call sCheckAndCreateSubDirs(strDir)
    Call sExportAllObjects
    Call sImportAllObjects
    MsgBox "Done"
End Sub


Private Sub sImportAllObjects()
    On Error GoTo errhandler
    Dim strTemp As String, strFile As String, strPath As String, sql As
String, strIn As String
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database, qdf As DAO.QueryDef
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    strDir = Application.CurrentProject.Path & conPathStem
    '    '  Forms
    strPath = strDir & "Forms\"
    strTemp = Dir(strPath)
    Do While strTemp <> ""
        strFile = Left(strTemp, InStrRev(strTemp, ".txt") - 1)
        ' Application.LoadFromText acForm, strFile, strPath & strTemp
        strTemp = Dir()
    Loop
    '    '  Macros
    strPath = strDir & "Macros\"
    strTemp = Dir(strPath)
    Do While strTemp <> ""
        strFile = Left(strTemp, InStrRev(strTemp, ".txt") - 1)
        'Application.LoadFromText acMacro, strFile, strPath & strTemp
        strTemp = Dir()
    Loop
    '    '  Modules
    strPath = strDir & "Modules\"
    strTemp = Dir(strPath)
    Do While strTemp <> ""
        strFile = Left(strTemp, InStrRev(strTemp, ".txt") - 1)
        If strFile <> "modEatBloat" Then    'don't overright self
            'Application.LoadFromText acModule, strFile, strPath & strTemp
        End If
        strTemp = Dir()
    Loop

    '    '  Queries
    strPath = strDir & "Queries\"
    strTemp = Dir(strPath)
    Do While strTemp <> ""
        strFile = Left(strTemp, InStrRev(strTemp, ".txt") - 1)
        pIntFileNumber2 = FreeFile: sql = ""
        Open strPath & strTemp For Input As pIntFileNumber2
        Do While Not EOF(pIntFileNumber2)
            Line Input #pIntFileNumber2, strIn: sql = sql & strIn & vbCrLf
        Loop
        Close pIntFileNumber2
        On Error Resume Next  ' if it exists then delete first, then
recreate it
        DoCmd.DeleteObject acQuery, strFile
        On Error GoTo errhandler
        Set qdf = dbs.CreateQueryDef(strFile, sql)
        strTemp = Dir()
    Loop

    '  Reports
    strPath = strDir & "Reports\"
    strTemp = Dir(strPath)
    Do While strTemp <> ""
        strFile = Left(strTemp, InStrRev(strTemp, ".txt") - 1)
        Application.LoadFromText acReport, strFile, strPath & strTemp
        strTemp = Dir()
    Loop

    '  Tables
    strPath = strDir & "Tables\Local\"
    strTemp = Dir(strPath)
    Do While strTemp <> ""
        Select Case Right(strTemp, 4)
        Case ".xls"
            strFile = Left(strTemp, InStrRev(strTemp, ".xls") - 1)
            On Error Resume Next
            sql = "Drop Table " & strFile
            DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acImport, , strFile, strPath &
strTemp, True
        Case ".xml"
            '            If Not InStr(strObj, "Schema") > 0 Then
            '                Application.ImportXML strObjPath,
acStructureAndData
            '            End If
        End Select
        strTemp = Dir()
    Loop

exithere:
    Set dbs = Nothing: Set qdf = Nothing
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    Select Case Err.Number
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sImportAllObjects(): " & Err.Number &
vbCrLf & Err.Description
    End Select
    Resume Next
End Sub





From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 03:50:38 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:50:38 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] modEatBloat
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>
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ModEATBloat - Max

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const conPathStem As String = "\ExportedAsText\"
Const conPathPages As String = "Pages\"
Const conPathForms As String = "Forms\"
Const conPathMacros As String = "Macros\"
Const conPathModules As String = "Modules\"
Const conPathQueries As String = "Queries\"
Const conPathReports As String = "Reports\"
Const conPathTables As String = "Tables\"
Const conpathTablesLocal As String = "Tables\Local\"
Const conpathTablesLinked As String = "Tables\Linked\"

Private strObjPath As String
Private strObj As String
Private strDir As String
Private pIntFileNumber As Integer, pIntFileNumber2 As Integer

Private Sub sStart()
    Call sCheckAndCreateSubDirs(strDir)
    Call sExportAllObjects
    Call sImportAllObjects
    MsgBox "Done"
End Sub



Private Sub sCheckAndCreateSubDirs(strDir As String)
    On Error GoTo errhandler
    strDir = Application.CurrentProject.Path & conPathStem
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathPages)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathForms)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathMacros)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathModules)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathQueries)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathReports)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conPathTables)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conpathTablesLocal)
    Call fCreateFolder(strDir & conpathTablesLinked)
exithere:
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sCheckAndCreateSubDirs(): " & Err.Number &
vbCrLf & Err.Description
    Resume Next
End Sub


Private Function fCreateFolder(sFolder As String) As Boolean
'An error occurs if the specified folder already exists, and that is ok.
    On Error GoTo errhandler
    Dim fs
    fCreateFolder = False
    Set fs = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    fs.CreateFolder sFolder
    fCreateFolder = True
exithere:
    Exit Function
errhandler:
    fCreateFolder = False
    Select Case Err.Number
    Case 58  ' Folder already exists
        fCreateFolder = True
        Resume exithere
    Case 76  ' path not found, create intermediate folders
        Resume exithere
    Case 70    ' system not allowing
        Resume exithere
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Cannot Create Folder Error in fCreateFolder():" & Err.Number
& vbCrLf & Err.Description
    End Select
    Resume exithere
End Function

Private Sub sExportAllObjects()
    On Error GoTo errhandler
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database, qdf As DAO.QueryDef
    Dim obj As Object, prjObj As Object
    Dim lngLoop As Integer
    Dim sql As String
    Dim strTemp As String
    Dim bProcess As Boolean, bLocalTables As Boolean, bLinkedTables As
Boolean
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    Set prjObj = Application.CurrentProject
    ' we are going to export EVERYTHING in this demo
    'Select Case lngObjectType
    'Case acForm
    For Each obj In prjObj.AllForms
        strObj = obj.Name: strObjPath = strDir & conPathForms & strObj &
".txt"
        Call fExport(acForm, "")
    Next obj
    'Case acMacro
    For Each obj In prjObj.AllMacros
        strObj = obj.Name: strObjPath = strDir & conPathMacros & strObj &
".txt"
        Call fExport(acMacro, "")
    Next obj
    'Case acModule
    For Each obj In prjObj.AllModules
        strObj = obj.Name: strObjPath = strDir & conPathModules & strObj &
".txt"
        Call fExport(acModule, "")
    Next obj
    'Case acDataAccessPage
    For Each obj In prjObj.AllDataAccessPages
        strObj = obj.Name: strObjPath = strDir & conPathPages & strObj &
".txt"
        Call fExport(acDataAccessPage, "")
    Next obj
    'Case acReport
    For Each obj In prjObj.AllReports
        strObj = obj.Name: strObjPath = strDir & conPathReports & strObj &
".txt"
        Call fExport(acReport, "")
    Next obj
    'Case acQuery
    For lngLoop = 0 To dbs.QueryDefs.Count - 1
        Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(lngLoop)
        If Not Left(qdf.Name, 1) = "~" And Not Left(qdf.Name, 4) = "Msys"
Then
            strObj = qdf.Name: strObjPath = strDir & conPathQueries & strObj
& ".txt"
            Call fExport(acQuery, "")
        End If
    Next lngLoop
    'Case acTable
    For lngLoop = 0 To dbs.TableDefs.Count - 1
        bProcess = False
        Set obj = dbs.TableDefs(lngLoop)
        If Not InStr(obj.Name, "ExportError") > 0 Then
            If Not Left(obj.Name, 1) = "~" And Not Left(obj.Name, 4) =
"Msys" Then
                strObj = obj.Name
                If InStr(obj.Connect, ";") > 0 Then
                    bLinkedTables = True
                    If bLinkedTables Then
                        strObjPath = strDir & conPathTables & "Linked\" &
strObj
                        bProcess = True
                    End If
                Else
                    bLocalTables = True
                    If bLocalTables Then
                        strObjPath = strDir & conPathTables & "Local\" &
strObj
                        bProcess = True
                    End If
                End If
                If bProcess = True Then
                    Call fExport(acTable, "XLS")
                End If
            End If
        End If
    Next lngLoop
    'End Select
exithere:
    Set dbs = Nothing: Set qdf = Nothing: Set obj = Nothing: Set prjObj =
Nothing
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sExportAllObjects(): " & Err.Number & vbCrLf
& Err.Description
    Resume Next
End Sub

Private Function fExport(lngObjectType As Long, strTableType As String) As
Boolean
    On Error GoTo errhandler
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database, qdf As DAO.QueryDef
    Dim sql As String, strIn As String, lngLoop As Long
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    fExport = True  ' default to ok
    Select Case lngObjectType
    Case 0  'acTable        If Right(strObjPath, 4) = ".txt" Then strObjPath
= Left(strObjPath, Len(strObjPath)- 4) ' drop the .txt bit
        If strTableType = "XLS" Then
            If Not InStr(strObj, "ExportError") > 0 Then
                ' if you want CSV then uncomment next line and create a sub
folder BUT youcannot IMPORT from a CSV file.
                'DoCmd.TransferText A_EXPORTDELIM, , strObj, strPath &
".CSV", True
                DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, , strObj, strObjPath,
True
            End If
        ElseIf strTableType = "XML" Then
            If Not InStr(strObj, "ExportError") > 0 Then    ' v.e.r.y slow.
                'Application.ExportXML ObjectType:=acExportTable,
DataSource:=strObj, DataTarget:=strObjPath & ".xml",
schemaTarget:=strObjPath & "Schema.xml"
            End If
        End If
    Case 1  'acQuery
        Set qdf = dbs.QueryDefs(strObj)
        sql = qdf.sql
        pIntFileNumber2 = FreeFile
        Open strObjPath For Output As pIntFileNumber2
        Print #pIntFileNumber2, sql
        Close pIntFileNumber2
    Case 2, 3, 4, 5  'Form, Report, Macro, Module
        Application.SaveAsText lngObjectType, strObj, strObjPath
    Case 6  '  acDataAccessPage not handled - sorry, don't use them.
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Unidentified Object-Type for Export."
        fExport = False
    End Select
exithere:
    Set dbs = Nothing: Set qdf = Nothing
    Exit Function
errhandler:
    fExport = False
    Select Case Err.Number
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Unhandled Error in  fExport(): " & Err.Number & vbCrLf &
Err.Description
        Resume Next
    End Select
    Resume exithere
End Function

Private Sub sImportAllObjects()
    On Error GoTo errhandler
    Dim strTemp As String, strFile As String, strPath As String, sql As
String, strIn As String
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database, qdf As DAO.QueryDef
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    strDir = Application.CurrentProject.Path & conPathStem
    '    '  Forms
    strPath = strDir & "Forms\"
    strTemp = Dir(strPath)
    Do While strTemp <> ""
        strFile = Left(strTemp, InStrRev(strTemp, ".txt") - 1)
        ' Application.LoadFromText acForm, strFile, strPath & strTemp
        strTemp = Dir()
    Loop
    '    '  Macros
    strPath = strDir & "Macros\"
    strTemp = Dir(strPath)
    Do While strTemp <> ""
        strFile = Left(strTemp, InStrRev(strTemp, ".txt") - 1)
        'Application.LoadFromText acMacro, strFile, strPath & strTemp
        strTemp = Dir()
    Loop
    '    '  Modules
    strPath = strDir & "Modules\"
    strTemp = Dir(strPath)
    Do While strTemp <> ""
        strFile = Left(strTemp, InStrRev(strTemp, ".txt") - 1)
        If strFile <> "modEatBloat" Then    'don't overright self
            'Application.LoadFromText acModule, strFile, strPath & strTemp
        End If
        strTemp = Dir()
    Loop

    '    '  Queries
    strPath = strDir & "Queries\"
    strTemp = Dir(strPath)
    Do While strTemp <> ""
        strFile = Left(strTemp, InStrRev(strTemp, ".txt") - 1)
        pIntFileNumber2 = FreeFile: sql = ""
        Open strPath & strTemp For Input As pIntFileNumber2
        Do While Not EOF(pIntFileNumber2)
            Line Input #pIntFileNumber2, strIn: sql = sql & strIn & vbCrLf
        Loop
        Close pIntFileNumber2
        On Error Resume Next  ' if it exists then delete first, then
recreate it
        DoCmd.DeleteObject acQuery, strFile
        On Error GoTo errhandler
        Set qdf = dbs.CreateQueryDef(strFile, sql)
        strTemp = Dir()
    Loop

    '  Reports
    strPath = strDir & "Reports\"
    strTemp = Dir(strPath)
    Do While strTemp <> ""
        strFile = Left(strTemp, InStrRev(strTemp, ".txt") - 1)
        Application.LoadFromText acReport, strFile, strPath & strTemp
        strTemp = Dir()
    Loop

    '  Tables
    strPath = strDir & "Tables\Local\"
    strTemp = Dir(strPath)
    Do While strTemp <> ""
        Select Case Right(strTemp, 4)
        Case ".xls"
            strFile = Left(strTemp, InStrRev(strTemp, ".xls") - 1)
            On Error Resume Next
            sql = "Drop Table " & strFile
            DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acImport, , strFile, strPath &
strTemp, True
        Case ".xml"
            '            If Not InStr(strObj, "Schema") > 0 Then
            '                Application.ImportXML strObjPath,
acStructureAndData
            '            End If
        End Select
        strTemp = Dir()
    Loop

exithere:
    Set dbs = Nothing: Set qdf = Nothing
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    Select Case Err.Number
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sImportAllObjects(): " & Err.Number &
vbCrLf & Err.Description
    End Select
    Resume Next
End Sub




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 08:49:56 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:49:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
References: <5AB89150CD7643149A397401EE4936B5@SusanOne><8786a4c01002111041k108e0599l111c86cb0d5d9190@mail.gmail.com><9334E4E322DD4C108C7296DD69F934E7@SusanOne><8786a4c01002111111u28fd3a04gc683c4b4646b58af@mail.gmail.com><7d60f23a1002111236i3bc9c39y22bdbf369e87c963@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BF4F9DDFDD6410FB9392D63BE597C4C@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <DFF6591B105843BCAAC4EC4F2741F0FC@SusanOne>


> Office 14 would be Office 2010?
>
> Is there a release date?
>
========The release candidate is out already -- anybody can get it I think.

Susan H. 



From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 09:17:34 2010
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:17:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
In-Reply-To: <6BF4F9DDFDD6410FB9392D63BE597C4C@HAL9005>
References: <5AB89150CD7643149A397401EE4936B5@SusanOne>
	<8786a4c01002111041k108e0599l111c86cb0d5d9190@mail.gmail.com>
	<9334E4E322DD4C108C7296DD69F934E7@SusanOne>
	<8786a4c01002111111u28fd3a04gc683c4b4646b58af@mail.gmail.com>
	<7d60f23a1002111236i3bc9c39y22bdbf369e87c963@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BF4F9DDFDD6410FB9392D63BE597C4C@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <aea6c4951002120717n6fc318bel302b713e2b1511fc@mail.gmail.com>

Here you go... give it a try

http://www.microsoft.com/office/2010/en/default.aspx

Good until October 2010

GK

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> Office 14 would be Office 2010?
>
> Is there a release date?
>
> Does it compare with Office 2007 like W7 compares with Vista which is to say
> it's really good versus really bad)?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll
>
> Been using Office 14 for some time now. 2007 is gine. Before msot peopel
> even knew it was ther (<:
>
> Martin
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> traitors :P
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Well, I think you might be right. :) Although, I have talked to a
>> > few
>> Access
>> > developers who really like 2007 -- but it took them awhile to adjust.
>> >
>> > Susan H.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Those people that love it must not be Access users (or are new to
>> Access)
>> >
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>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Feb 12 09:32:58 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:32:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4951002120717n6fc318bel302b713e2b1511fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5AB89150CD7643149A397401EE4936B5@SusanOne><8786a4c01002111041k108e0599l111c86cb0d5d9190@mail.gmail.com><9334E4E322DD4C108C7296DD69F934E7@SusanOne><8786a4c01002111111u28fd3a04gc683c4b4646b58af@mail.gmail.com><7d60f23a1002111236i3bc9c39y22bdbf369e87c963@mail.gmail.com><6BF4F9DDFDD6410FB9392D63BE597C4C@HAL9005>
	<aea6c4951002120717n6fc318bel302b713e2b1511fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3F30C52C80F4F14A482DD9C0FF54005@HAL9005>

Got it.  Think I'll put it on the box with the W7 r.c. And see how they play
together.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 7:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll

Here you go... give it a try

http://www.microsoft.com/office/2010/en/default.aspx

Good until October 2010

GK

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> Office 14 would be Office 2010?
>
> Is there a release date?
>
> Does it compare with Office 2007 like W7 compares with Vista which is 
> to say it's really good versus really bad)?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll
>
> Been using Office 14 for some time now. 2007 is gine. Before msot 
> peopel even knew it was ther (<:
>
> Martin
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> traitors :P
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Well, I think you might be right. :) Although, I have talked to a 
>> > few
>> Access
>> > developers who really like 2007 -- but it took them awhile to adjust.
>> >
>> > Susan H.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Those people that love it must not be Access users (or are new to
>> Access)
>> >
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 10:42:06 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:42:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 16
In-Reply-To: <mailman.39879.1265932593.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.39879.1265932593.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <7c7841601002120842j1a5b1d23j3c58b3b6413c365c@mail.gmail.com>

> Max Wanadoo:
> That doesn't make any sense. It is not as if it  is going to UNDO 754
> changes!
> Wonder what the  logic there was?
>

I think I know most of that answer: an Access form can have 1024 controls.
Subtract 255 AccessField controls (one for each possible field in the
RecordSource), and you get 769 remaining. There are nine acSection
constants, so you can assume there are 9 built-in section controls. That
leaves 760 controls, only six undocumented internal controls away from 754.


> Charlotte Foust:
> There's also a limit on the overall length of a form or report in design
> view.
>

That one is easy: Height and Width are short integers. The positive limit is
32768. Divide by 1440 twips per inch and you get 22.75, which is just above
the published limit.

Stuart McLachlan
> That is not  the "structure" of the form.  That is a list of the
> "properties" of the form which
> have been set.
> The structure would be details about  all the external and internal
> properties(such as lifetime
> count of controls) and how these properties are stored internally.
>

The SaveAsTest output represents the structure of the form. The lifetime
count of controls (at least in A2K) is carried in the "ItemSuffix" attribute
of the form. So "ItemSuffix =15" indicates 15 controls used up in the
lifetime count.

Once you can recreate a form from scratch, you could conceivably parse the
SaveAsText output and create the controls and properties from its structure.
It might even be more efficient, because SaveAsText saves only the
properties that have changed from the default.

-Ken


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 10:51:24 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:51:24 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 16
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002120842j1a5b1d23j3c58b3b6413c365c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.39879.1265932593.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<7c7841601002120842j1a5b1d23j3c58b3b6413c365c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b75873a.9815f10a.35c0.57dd@mx.google.com>

That is really good, Ken.

I have bookmarked this for future ref.

It explains a lot. Many thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 12 February 2010 16:42
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 16

> Max Wanadoo:
> That doesn't make any sense. It is not as if it  is going to UNDO 754
> changes!
> Wonder what the  logic there was?
>

I think I know most of that answer: an Access form can have 1024 controls.
Subtract 255 AccessField controls (one for each possible field in the
RecordSource), and you get 769 remaining. There are nine acSection
constants, so you can assume there are 9 built-in section controls. That
leaves 760 controls, only six undocumented internal controls away from 754.


> Charlotte Foust:
> There's also a limit on the overall length of a form or report in design
> view.
>

That one is easy: Height and Width are short integers. The positive limit is
32768. Divide by 1440 twips per inch and you get 22.75, which is just above
the published limit.

Stuart McLachlan
> That is not  the "structure" of the form.  That is a list of the
> "properties" of the form which
> have been set.
> The structure would be details about  all the external and internal
> properties(such as lifetime
> count of controls) and how these properties are stored internally.
>

The SaveAsTest output represents the structure of the form. The lifetime
count of controls (at least in A2K) is carried in the "ItemSuffix" attribute
of the form. So "ItemSuffix =15" indicates 15 controls used up in the
lifetime count.

Once you can recreate a form from scratch, you could conceivably parse the
SaveAsText output and create the controls and properties from its structure.
It might even be more efficient, because SaveAsText saves only the
properties that have changed from the default.

-Ken
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 10:53:08 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:53:08 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 16
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002120842j1a5b1d23j3c58b3b6413c365c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.39879.1265932593.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<7c7841601002120842j1a5b1d23j3c58b3b6413c365c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b75879f.0506d00a.46fa.fffff5df@mx.google.com>

Hmm, still thinking though, why have this restriction anyway, regardless of
how the count is arrived at.

I mean, what is the purpose of it?  Does it have some  sort of roll-back
which I don't  know about?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 12 February 2010 16:42
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 16

> Max Wanadoo:
> That doesn't make any sense. It is not as if it  is going to UNDO 754
> changes!
> Wonder what the  logic there was?
>

I think I know most of that answer: an Access form can have 1024 controls.
Subtract 255 AccessField controls (one for each possible field in the
RecordSource), and you get 769 remaining. There are nine acSection
constants, so you can assume there are 9 built-in section controls. That
leaves 760 controls, only six undocumented internal controls away from 754.


> Charlotte Foust:
> There's also a limit on the overall length of a form or report in design
> view.
>

That one is easy: Height and Width are short integers. The positive limit is
32768. Divide by 1440 twips per inch and you get 22.75, which is just above
the published limit.

Stuart McLachlan
> That is not  the "structure" of the form.  That is a list of the
> "properties" of the form which
> have been set.
> The structure would be details about  all the external and internal
> properties(such as lifetime
> count of controls) and how these properties are stored internally.
>

The SaveAsTest output represents the structure of the form. The lifetime
count of controls (at least in A2K) is carried in the "ItemSuffix" attribute
of the form. So "ItemSuffix =15" indicates 15 controls used up in the
lifetime count.

Once you can recreate a form from scratch, you could conceivably parse the
SaveAsText output and create the controls and properties from its structure.
It might even be more efficient, because SaveAsText saves only the
properties that have changed from the default.

-Ken
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 11:18:21 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:18:21 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] modEatBloat
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>
	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4b758d8a.1c07d00a.7c0c.2518@mx.google.com>

Importing Reports.  Watch out for this

    ' if you are on a different system then it will prompt you for printer
changes

Max





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Feb 12 12:30:34 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:30:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <08EA8C52D7884B329E5C14CE36195554@HAL9005>
References: <7c7841601002111228n79447005v2982b10cde0ae86e@mail.gmail.com><4b7469fe.0702d00a.3a82.ffffafb5@mx.google.com>
	<55EA967F3C04497687E602EC8CFC71C3@XPS>
	<08EA8C52D7884B329E5C14CE36195554@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E3656B7F8@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

You have to import it into a whole new form.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

If you hit the limit can you export the form to a text file and then
reimport it to reset the object counter?

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

Max,

  Access has a limit of creating 754 controls over the lifetime of a form.
Once you hit that limit, that's it.  You need to re-create the form.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> . It also reset the lifetime control count,

What is this Ken?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 11 February 2010 20:28
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

> > Shamil:
> > What I plan to do is a "lightweight" version of "EatBloat" within 
> > Access Developer Assistant add-in ... And it will need .NET 
> > Framework 3.0/3.5 installed on target system.
> >
> Ken:
> Just so I'm clear, are you going to automate the EatBloat function 
> using only .NET, or will you be calling the existing VBA code from .NET?
>
> Shamil:
> Just using .NET, Ken.
>
> A COM-Add-In developed using C# and "Add-In Express for Office and .NET"
> ...
>

That sounds like a good idea.

I bumped into the limitations of VBA when I developed an Access Rebuild
application which rebuilt Forms and Reports control-by-control,
property-by-property.

The motivation for this was a monster frontend (almost 40Mb in mde format)
with persistent corruption problems that not even SaveAsText/LoadFromText
could fix.

The program, while time-consuming to run, was remarkably effective in giving
the frontend a 'new lease on life'. Several huge forms, with almost a decade
of development history, could now be edited without aggressive bloat. It
also reset the lifetime control count, which allowed extending forms which
had long since run into this limit.

I often thought that redoing the code in C# or VB.NET would have allowed a
lot of extra flexibility in handling the coding issues that arose when
tackling this problem.

-Ken
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From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 13:43:13 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:43:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET (was AccessD
	Digest, Vol 	84, Issue 16)
Message-ID: <7c7841601002121143g7f3c608ev51bf36c4a699f6a3@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Max:
> Hmm, still thinking though, why have this restriction anyway, regardless of
> how the count is arrived at.
> I mean, what is the purpose of it?  Does it have some  sort of roll-back
> which I don't  know about?
>

I've never seen or heard of any kind of roll-back.

This is all tied into the automatic control naming. When you insert a
control, it gets named "text123" or whatever. Access maintains a control
counter, so your controls get sequential, unique names. The ItemSuffix
attribute in the SaveAsText file contains this counter.

My speculation is this: the 754 control limit was a strict limit in the
early versions of Access. So, the counter logic was designed to stop at 754.
This legacy has carried on, at least until A2003.

The problem with resetting the counter is controls with default names. If
you have a lbl100, text123, and cbo256, the counter mechanism is going to
barf when you try to add a new control of that type, and the counter happens
to increment to 100, 123 or 256.

If you follow strict discipline, and give ALL of your controls meaningful
names, this won't bite you. But who really does that all the time?

Thus, no code was ever built to reset this counter. Just a lot of work for
no big gain.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 13:53:30 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:53:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
Message-ID: <7c7841601002121153x71f2ef87p6e5ade0816d27a99@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Stuart McLachlan:
> AFAIK, that will create a new form with the counter initialised.
> That's one of the things that EATBloat does do for you.
>
> >Rocky Smolin:
> > If you hit the limit can you export the form to a text file and then
> > reimport it to reset the object counter?
> >
>

Doing an export/import using SaveAsText/LoadFromText does NOT reset the
counter. This is certainly true in A2K -- I tested that with very large
forms, and verified it. Also, this type of restore does not fix certain
kinds of bloat-causing corruption. I verified that too, again in A2K.

It also turns out that manually editing the "ItemSuffix" attribute in the
form text file isn't reliable. See my earlier response to Max. Also, Access
got grumpy on certain of our problem forms when this trick was tried.

This was one of the motivations for doing the much more involved rebuild
from scratch, control-by-control, property-by-property. Development was
grinding to a halt, and none of the standard measures fixed the problem. The
rebuild was an extreme solution for an extreme problem, but it worked.

I would be very interested to see testing done in versions of Access later
than 2000, to see if this behavior still exists.

-Ken


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Feb 12 14:18:22 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:18:22 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002121153x71f2ef87p6e5ade0816d27a99@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841601002121153x71f2ef87p6e5ade0816d27a99@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01caac20$88dc4b70$9a94e250$@spb.ru>

<<<
The rebuild was an extreme solution for 
an extreme problem, but it worked.
>>>
Hi Ken --

Was that work code by code or manually?

Thank you.

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:54 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for Office and .NET

>
> Stuart McLachlan:
> AFAIK, that will create a new form with the counter initialised.
> That's one of the things that EATBloat does do for you.
>
> >Rocky Smolin:
> > If you hit the limit can you export the form to a text file and then
> > reimport it to reset the object counter?
> >
>

Doing an export/import using SaveAsText/LoadFromText does NOT reset the
counter. This is certainly true in A2K -- I tested that with very large
forms, and verified it. Also, this type of restore does not fix certain
kinds of bloat-causing corruption. I verified that too, again in A2K.

It also turns out that manually editing the "ItemSuffix" attribute in the
form text file isn't reliable. See my earlier response to Max. Also, Access
got grumpy on certain of our problem forms when this trick was tried.

This was one of the motivations for doing the much more involved rebuild
from scratch, control-by-control, property-by-property. Development was
grinding to a halt, and none of the standard measures fixed the problem. The
rebuild was an extreme solution for an extreme problem, but it worked.

I would be very interested to see testing done in versions of Access later
than 2000, to see if this behavior still exists.

-Ken
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Feb 12 14:18:22 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:18:22 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
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Hi Max --

Thank you for code samples - I plan to make it a bit different for first
version - something like the code in P.S. of this message (Export), and
Import will be posted in the other message.

Thank you.

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P.S. MS Access DB Export code (watch line wraps):

Option Compare Text
Option Explicit

Public Sub ExportObjects()
'
' 1. Exports Queries, Forms, Reports, Macros, Modules as
'     text files into \Objects subfolder
'
' 2. Exports Tables as
'     xml files with schema into \Objects subfolder
'
' 3. Exports MSys* tables as
'     xml files with schema into \Objects\MSysTables subfolder
'

On Error GoTo errhandler

Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
Dim strTargetFolder As String
Dim strTargetFileName As String
Dim strObjectFileFullPath As String
Dim strObjectName As String

    Set app = Access.Application
    
    strTargetFolder = Access.Application.CurrentProject.path + "\Objects\"
        
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(exportedObjectsSql, dbOpenForwardOnly)
    While Not (rst.EOF)
        Select Case rst![AcObjectType].Value
        Case acTable:
             strTargetFileName = _
                    rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + "_" + _
                    rst![ObjectName].Value
             If (Left(rst![ObjectName].Value, 4) <> "MSys") Then
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                 strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
             Else
                On Error Resume Next
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
".xml", _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
"Schema.xml"
                On Error GoTo errhandler
             End If
        Case acQuery, _
             acForm, _
             acReport, _
             acMacro, _
             acModule:
               strTargetFileName = rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + _
                    "_" + rst![ObjectName].Value + ".txt"
               app.SaveAsText _
                 rst![AcObjectType].Value, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + strTargetFileName
        Case Else
        End Select
        rst.MoveNext
    Wend
    rst.Close
    
    MsgBox ("Export DONE!")
exithere:
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sExportAllObjects(): " & Err.Number & vbCrLf
& Err.Description
    Resume exithere
    
End Sub

Private Property Get exportedObjectsSql()
Dim strSql As String
    strSql = _
 "SELECT " + _
 "  Switch( " + _
 "    [Type]=1,0, " + _
 "    [Type]=5,1, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32768,2, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32764,3, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32766,4, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32761,5) AS acObjectType, " + _
 "  Choose( " + _
 "   [acObjectType]+1,'Table','Query','Form','Report','Macro','Module') AS
ObjectTypeName, " + _
 "   MSysObjects.Name as ObjectName " + _
 " FROM MSysObjects " + _
 " WHERE " + _
 "   ((Not (Switch( " + _
 "
[Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4,[Type]
=-32761,5)) Is Null) AND ((MSysObjects.Name) Not Like '~*')) " + _
 " ORDER BY
Switch([Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4
,[Type]=-32761,5), MSysObjects.Name;"
    exportedObjectsSql = strSql
End Property




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Section 3 - Import

That's the lot now.  No form or user interface. I hope it works ok, seem ok
on my test system but caveat emptor as  always.

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 14:31:16 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:31:16 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>
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Shamil,
That sound good but I should mention that XML is extremely slow for large
table as well as occupying large disk space, but the time taken is
exponentially longer that xls and for what purpose?  After all, if it is for
backup, xml offers not advantages but lots of dis-advantages.

Up to you though.



Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 12 February 2010 20:18
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Max --

Thank you for code samples - I plan to make it a bit different for first
version - something like the code in P.S. of this message (Export), and
Import will be posted in the other message.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

P.S. MS Access DB Export code (watch line wraps):

Option Compare Text
Option Explicit

Public Sub ExportObjects()
'
' 1. Exports Queries, Forms, Reports, Macros, Modules as
'     text files into \Objects subfolder
'
' 2. Exports Tables as
'     xml files with schema into \Objects subfolder
'
' 3. Exports MSys* tables as
'     xml files with schema into \Objects\MSysTables subfolder
'

On Error GoTo errhandler

Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
Dim strTargetFolder As String
Dim strTargetFileName As String
Dim strObjectFileFullPath As String
Dim strObjectName As String

    Set app = Access.Application
    
    strTargetFolder = Access.Application.CurrentProject.path + "\Objects\"
        
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(exportedObjectsSql, dbOpenForwardOnly)
    While Not (rst.EOF)
        Select Case rst![AcObjectType].Value
        Case acTable:
             strTargetFileName = _
                    rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + "_" + _
                    rst![ObjectName].Value
             If (Left(rst![ObjectName].Value, 4) <> "MSys") Then
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                 strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
             Else
                On Error Resume Next
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
".xml", _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
"Schema.xml"
                On Error GoTo errhandler
             End If
        Case acQuery, _
             acForm, _
             acReport, _
             acMacro, _
             acModule:
               strTargetFileName = rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + _
                    "_" + rst![ObjectName].Value + ".txt"
               app.SaveAsText _
                 rst![AcObjectType].Value, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + strTargetFileName
        Case Else
        End Select
        rst.MoveNext
    Wend
    rst.Close
    
    MsgBox ("Export DONE!")
exithere:
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sExportAllObjects(): " & Err.Number & vbCrLf
& Err.Description
    Resume exithere
    
End Sub

Private Property Get exportedObjectsSql()
Dim strSql As String
    strSql = _
 "SELECT " + _
 "  Switch( " + _
 "    [Type]=1,0, " + _
 "    [Type]=5,1, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32768,2, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32764,3, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32766,4, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32761,5) AS acObjectType, " + _
 "  Choose( " + _
 "   [acObjectType]+1,'Table','Query','Form','Report','Macro','Module') AS
ObjectTypeName, " + _
 "   MSysObjects.Name as ObjectName " + _
 " FROM MSysObjects " + _
 " WHERE " + _
 "   ((Not (Switch( " + _
 "
[Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4,[Type]
=-32761,5)) Is Null) AND ((MSysObjects.Name) Not Like '~*')) " + _
 " ORDER BY
Switch([Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4
,[Type]=-32761,5), MSysObjects.Name;"
    exportedObjectsSql = strSql
End Property




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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Section 3 - Import

That's the lot now.  No form or user interface. I hope it works ok, seem ok
on my test system but caveat emptor as  always.

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Feb 12 14:32:35 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:32:35 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
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	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com> 
Message-ID: <001d01caac22$83ca76f0$8b5f64d0$@spb.ru>

Hi Max et al --

And here is the import part of code - just a working prototype to port to
Add-in in C#. I do not check object existence here etc.

As you can find in my another message I have also get exported MSys* tables
into XML - and that worked(?) well for all the MSys* tables (Access 2007).
Import didn't work even for MSysRelationships but one can use this
information to recreate relationships - just a note...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

P.S. Import code:

Option Compare Text
Option Explicit

Public Sub ImportObjects()
'
' 1. Imports Queries, Forms, Reports, Macros, Modules from
'     text files located \Objects subfolder
'
' 2. Imports Tables from
'     xml files with schema located \Objects subfolder
'

On Error GoTo errhandler

Dim strSourceFolder As String
Dim strSourceFileName As String
Dim app As Access.Application
Dim intObjType As Integer
Dim strObjectFileFullPath As String
Dim strObjectName As String

    Set app = Access.Application
    
    strSourceFolder = Access.Application.CurrentProject.path + "\Objects\"
    
    strSourceFileName = Dir(strSourceFolder, vbNormal)
    While (Len(strSourceFileName) > 0)
        Debug.Print getObjectTypeByFileName(strSourceFileName) & _
                    " - [" & _
                    getObjectNameFromFileName(strSourceFileName) & _
                    "] - " & _
                    strSourceFileName
        
        intObjType = getObjectTypeByFileName(strSourceFileName)
        
        If (intObjType <> -1) Then
            strObjectName = getObjectNameFromFileName(strSourceFileName)
            strObjectFileFullPath = strSourceFolder + strSourceFileName
        
            Select Case intObjType
            Case acTable:
                app.ImportXML strObjectFileFullPath, acStructureAndData
            Case acQuery, _
                 acForm, _
                 acReport, _
                 acMacro, _
                 acModule:
                   app.LoadFromText intObjType, _
                      strObjectName, _
                      strObjectFileFullPath
            Case Else
            End Select
        End If
        
        
        strSourceFileName = Dir
    Wend

     MsgBox ("Import DONE!")
   
exithere:
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sExportAllObjects(): " & Err.Number & vbCrLf
& Err.Description
    Resume exithere
    
End Sub

Private Function getObjectTypeByFileName(ByVal s As String) As Integer
Dim intObjType As Integer
    intObjType = -1
    If Left(s, 5) = "Table" Then intObjType = acTable
    If Left(s, 5) = "Query" Then intObjType = acQuery
    If Left(s, 4) = "Form" Then intObjType = acForm
    If Left(s, 6) = "Report" Then intObjType = acReport
    If Left(s, 5) = "Macro" Then intObjType = acMacro
    If Left(s, 6) = "Module" Then intObjType = acModule
    
    If intObjType = acTable And _
       InStr(s, "Schema.xml") > 0 Then intObjType = -1
       
    getObjectTypeByFileName = intObjType
End Function
     
Private Function getObjectNameFromFileName(ByVal s As String) As String
Dim strObjectName As String
Dim intPos As Integer
    If InStr(s, "Schema.xml") > 0 Then Exit Function
    
    s = Left(s, Len(s) - 4) ' cut fileExt
    intPos = InStrRev(s, "Table_")
    If (intPos = 0) Then intPos = InStrRev(s, "Query_")
    If (intPos = 0) Then intPos = InStrRev(s, "Form_")
    If (intPos = 0) Then intPos = InStrRev(s, "Report_")
    If (intPos = 0) Then intPos = InStrRev(s, "Macro_")
    If (intPos = 0) Then intPos = InStrRev(s, "Module_")

    If (intPos = 0) Then Exit Function
    
    intPos = InStr(intPos, s, "_")
    
    intPos = intPos + 1

    strObjectName = Mid(s, intPos)
    
    getObjectNameFromFileName = strObjectName
End Function


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Max --

Thank you for code samples - I plan to make it a bit different for first
version - something like the code in P.S. of this message (Export), and
Import will be posted in the other message.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

P.S. MS Access DB Export code (watch line wraps):

<<< snip >>>


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Section 3 - Import

That's the lot now.  No form or user interface. I hope it works ok, seem ok
on my test system but caveat emptor as  always.

<<< snip >>> 
 

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Feb 12 15:06:34 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:06:34 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <4b75bad3.1c05d00a.2e22.ffffbde1@mx.google.com>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>
	<4b75bad3.1c05d00a.2e22.ffffbde1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <001e01caac27$4385e1b0$ca91a510$@spb.ru>

Hi Max --

Thank you for your remark.

As I noted earlier the first version of add-in will be just a Proof Of
Concept (POC) of using one .NET Add-in with all MS Access versions (2000 -
2010) IOW it doesn't matter that much would it use XML or text delimited
(CSV) or ... format for data backup...
I selected XML because it does save table schema while saving data...

As you can find I also used .SaveAsText for queries to keep saved query
design properties...

When POC is working OK (including "One-Click" Setup) then next versions can
change back-up format for data - and that could be even JSON or whatever
else portable but not that compact or very compact but not portable - Binary
-  representation one will find more convenient - there are many options in
.NET Framework...

--Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Shamil,
That sound good but I should mention that XML is extremely slow for large
table as well as occupying large disk space, but the time taken is
exponentially longer that xls and for what purpose?  After all, if it is for
backup, xml offers not advantages but lots of dis-advantages.

Up to you though.



Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 12 February 2010 20:18
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Max --

Thank you for code samples - I plan to make it a bit different for first
version - something like the code in P.S. of this message (Export), and
Import will be posted in the other message.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

P.S. MS Access DB Export code (watch line wraps):

Option Compare Text
Option Explicit

Public Sub ExportObjects()
'
' 1. Exports Queries, Forms, Reports, Macros, Modules as
'     text files into \Objects subfolder
'
' 2. Exports Tables as
'     xml files with schema into \Objects subfolder
'
' 3. Exports MSys* tables as
'     xml files with schema into \Objects\MSysTables subfolder
'

On Error GoTo errhandler

Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
Dim strTargetFolder As String
Dim strTargetFileName As String
Dim strObjectFileFullPath As String
Dim strObjectName As String

    Set app = Access.Application
    
    strTargetFolder = Access.Application.CurrentProject.path + "\Objects\"
        
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(exportedObjectsSql, dbOpenForwardOnly)
    While Not (rst.EOF)
        Select Case rst![AcObjectType].Value
        Case acTable:
             strTargetFileName = _
                    rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + "_" + _
                    rst![ObjectName].Value
             If (Left(rst![ObjectName].Value, 4) <> "MSys") Then
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                 strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
             Else
                On Error Resume Next
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
".xml", _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
"Schema.xml"
                On Error GoTo errhandler
             End If
        Case acQuery, _
             acForm, _
             acReport, _
             acMacro, _
             acModule:
               strTargetFileName = rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + _
                    "_" + rst![ObjectName].Value + ".txt"
               app.SaveAsText _
                 rst![AcObjectType].Value, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + strTargetFileName
        Case Else
        End Select
        rst.MoveNext
    Wend
    rst.Close
    
    MsgBox ("Export DONE!")
exithere:
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sExportAllObjects(): " & Err.Number & vbCrLf
& Err.Description
    Resume exithere
    
End Sub

Private Property Get exportedObjectsSql()
Dim strSql As String
    strSql = _
 "SELECT " + _
 "  Switch( " + _
 "    [Type]=1,0, " + _
 "    [Type]=5,1, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32768,2, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32764,3, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32766,4, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32761,5) AS acObjectType, " + _
 "  Choose( " + _
 "   [acObjectType]+1,'Table','Query','Form','Report','Macro','Module') AS
ObjectTypeName, " + _
 "   MSysObjects.Name as ObjectName " + _
 " FROM MSysObjects " + _
 " WHERE " + _
 "   ((Not (Switch( " + _
 "
[Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4,[Type]
=-32761,5)) Is Null) AND ((MSysObjects.Name) Not Like '~*')) " + _
 " ORDER BY
Switch([Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4
,[Type]=-32761,5), MSysObjects.Name;"
    exportedObjectsSql = strSql
End Property




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Section 3 - Import

That's the lot now.  No form or user interface. I hope it works ok, seem ok
on my test system but caveat emptor as  always.

<<< snip >>> 
 





From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Fri Feb 12 17:22:11 2010
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:22:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Beta - Calculated fields
In-Reply-To: <F3F30C52C80F4F14A482DD9C0FF54005@HAL9005>
References: <5AB89150CD7643149A397401EE4936B5@SusanOne><8786a4c01002111041k108e0599l111c86cb0d5d9190@mail.gmail.com><9334E4E322DD4C108C7296DD69F934E7@SusanOne><8786a4c01002111111u28fd3a04gc683c4b4646b58af@mail.gmail.com><7d60f23a1002111236i3bc9c39y22bdbf369e87c963@mail.gmail.com><6BF4F9DDFDD6410FB9392D63BE597C4C@HAL9005><aea6c4951002120717n6fc318bel302b713e2b1511fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3F30C52C80F4F14A482DD9C0FF54005@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <06B2751B57144F14895A5CF891329527@abpc>

Hi group,
Just downloaded the Access 2010 Beta and observed that a new data type for fields was added: Calculated.
Knowing that this kind of denormalized field has been around in SQL Server for some time I thought it would be the same in A2K10.
Well: It's not!
In SQL Server a calculated field is not persisted, it's just a convenient way to pre-announce a calculation which will be used on the fly when querying the table. You can in fact persist the calculated values in SQL Server, but only if you create an index on the field - otherwise it's of course not persisted.
So I was astonished in A2K10 that I didn't have a choice whether to index this kind of field.
I then created a test db containing a table with two number-fields and one million records. Size of the db: 33 GB. To check I copied the db to a new db and added a calculated field to the table (trivial calculation: Field1 * Field2). And guess what? The size of the new db was double up+: 72 GB.
So please: stick to your old practice creating calculations only in queries, and don't ever use the new Calculated field type in Access 2010!

Asger




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 02:49:26 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:49:26 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Beta - Calculated fields
In-Reply-To: <06B2751B57144F14895A5CF891329527@abpc>
References: <5AB89150CD7643149A397401EE4936B5@SusanOne><8786a4c01002111041k108e0599l111c86cb0d5d9190@mail.gmail.com><9334E4E322DD4C108C7296DD69F934E7@SusanOne><8786a4c01002111111u28fd3a04gc683c4b4646b58af@mail.gmail.com><7d60f23a1002111236i3bc9c39y22bdbf369e87c963@mail.gmail.com><6BF4F9DDFDD6410FB9392D63BE597C4C@HAL9005><aea6c4951002120717n6fc318bel302b713e2b1511fc@mail.gmail.com>	<F3F30C52C80F4F14A482DD9C0FF54005@HAL9005>
	<06B2751B57144F14895A5CF891329527@abpc>
Message-ID: <4b7667b3.0707d00a.376b.ffffc603@mx.google.com>

Seems to distort the math too.

Double 33 is 66 in A2k3.  :)

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond
Sent: 12 February 2010 23:22
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 Beta - Calculated fields

Hi group,
Just downloaded the Access 2010 Beta and observed that a new data type for
fields was added: Calculated.
Knowing that this kind of denormalized field has been around in SQL Server
for some time I thought it would be the same in A2K10.
Well: It's not!
In SQL Server a calculated field is not persisted, it's just a convenient
way to pre-announce a calculation which will be used on the fly when
querying the table. You can in fact persist the calculated values in SQL
Server, but only if you create an index on the field - otherwise it's of
course not persisted.
So I was astonished in A2K10 that I didn't have a choice whether to index
this kind of field.
I then created a test db containing a table with two number-fields and one
million records. Size of the db: 33 GB. To check I copied the db to a new db
and added a calculated field to the table (trivial calculation: Field1 *
Field2). And guess what? The size of the new db was double up+: 72 GB.
So please: stick to your old practice creating calculations only in queries,
and don't ever use the new Calculated field type in Access 2010!

Asger


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 04:39:20 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:39:20 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>
	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>

Shamil,

In your Export Code below.

Error 2001 needs to be trapped and handled.  This will occur because your
code is parsing the MSys objects and if the object is  no  longer "LIVE" but
still shown in the MSys tables etc.  

.ALLFORMS will over come this I think.

Max


Option Compare Text
Option Explicit
On Error GoTo errhandler

Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
Dim strTargetFolder As String
Dim strTargetFileName As String
Dim strObjectFileFullPath As String
Dim strObjectName As String

    Set app = Access.Application
    
    strTargetFolder = Access.Application.CurrentProject.path + "\Objects\"
        
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(exportedObjectsSql, dbOpenForwardOnly)
    While Not (rst.EOF)
        Select Case rst![AcObjectType].Value
        Case acTable:
             strTargetFileName = _
                    rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + "_" + _
                    rst![ObjectName].Value
             If (Left(rst![ObjectName].Value, 4) <> "MSys") Then
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                 strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
             Else
                On Error Resume Next
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
".xml", _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
"Schema.xml"
                On Error GoTo errhandler
             End If
        Case acQuery, _
             acForm, _
             acReport, _
             acMacro, _
             acModule:
               strTargetFileName = rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + _
                    "_" + rst![ObjectName].Value + ".txt"
               app.SaveAsText _
                 rst![AcObjectType].Value, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + strTargetFileName
        Case Else
        End Select
        rst.MoveNext
    Wend
    rst.Close
    
    MsgBox ("Export DONE!")
exithere:
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sExportAllObjects(): " & Err.Number & vbCrLf
& Err.Description
    Resume exithere
    
End Sub

Private Property Get exportedObjectsSql()
Dim strSql As String
    strSql = _
 "SELECT " + _
 "  Switch( " + _
 "    [Type]=1,0, " + _
 "    [Type]=5,1, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32768,2, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32764,3, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32766,4, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32761,5) AS acObjectType, " + _
 "  Choose( " + _
 "   [acObjectType]+1,'Table','Query','Form','Report','Macro','Module') AS
ObjectTypeName, " + _
 "   MSysObjects.Name as ObjectName " + _
 " FROM MSysObjects " + _
 " WHERE " + _
 "   ((Not (Switch( " + _
 "
[Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4,[Type]
=-32761,5)) Is Null) AND ((MSysObjects.Name) Not Like '~*')) " + _
 " ORDER BY
Switch([Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4
,[Type]=-32761,5), MSysObjects.Name;"
    exportedObjectsSql = strSql
End Property





From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Feb 13 07:35:02 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:35:02 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>
	<4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>

Hi Max --

Thank you for your note/code review.

OK, I will add error 2001 handling. Anything else to consider?

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 1:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Shamil,

In your Export Code below.

Error 2001 needs to be trapped and handled.  This will occur because your
code is parsing the MSys objects and if the object is  no  longer "LIVE" but
still shown in the MSys tables etc.  

.ALLFORMS will over come this I think.

Max


Option Compare Text
Option Explicit
On Error GoTo errhandler

Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
Dim strTargetFolder As String
Dim strTargetFileName As String
Dim strObjectFileFullPath As String
Dim strObjectName As String

    Set app = Access.Application
    
    strTargetFolder = Access.Application.CurrentProject.path + "\Objects\"
        
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(exportedObjectsSql, dbOpenForwardOnly)
    While Not (rst.EOF)
        Select Case rst![AcObjectType].Value
        Case acTable:
             strTargetFileName = _
                    rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + "_" + _
                    rst![ObjectName].Value
             If (Left(rst![ObjectName].Value, 4) <> "MSys") Then
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                 strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
             Else
                On Error Resume Next
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
".xml", _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
"Schema.xml"
                On Error GoTo errhandler
             End If
        Case acQuery, _
             acForm, _
             acReport, _
             acMacro, _
             acModule:
               strTargetFileName = rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + _
                    "_" + rst![ObjectName].Value + ".txt"
               app.SaveAsText _
                 rst![AcObjectType].Value, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + strTargetFileName
        Case Else
        End Select
        rst.MoveNext
    Wend
    rst.Close
    
    MsgBox ("Export DONE!")
exithere:
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sExportAllObjects(): " & Err.Number & vbCrLf
& Err.Description
    Resume exithere
    
End Sub

Private Property Get exportedObjectsSql()
Dim strSql As String
    strSql = _
 "SELECT " + _
 "  Switch( " + _
 "    [Type]=1,0, " + _
 "    [Type]=5,1, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32768,2, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32764,3, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32766,4, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32761,5) AS acObjectType, " + _
 "  Choose( " + _
 "   [acObjectType]+1,'Table','Query','Form','Report','Macro','Module') AS
ObjectTypeName, " + _
 "   MSysObjects.Name as ObjectName " + _
 " FROM MSysObjects " + _
 " WHERE " + _
 "   ((Not (Switch( " + _
 "
[Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4,[Type]
=-32761,5)) Is Null) AND ((MSysObjects.Name) Not Like '~*')) " + _
 " ORDER BY
Switch([Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4
,[Type]=-32761,5), MSysObjects.Name;"
    exportedObjectsSql = strSql
End Property



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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 08:08:19 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:08:19 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>	<4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>
	<004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>
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Hi Shamil,
I will do some testing later,  but on  the import code you need to ensure
that it doesn't try to import the same code module that it is actually
running, ie assuming the code is saved with the name as show here,  then

If getObjectNameFromFileName(strSourceFileName) <> "modObjectsImport" Then
' run code
Else
'  skip code	
Endif


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 13 February 2010 13:35
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Max --

Thank you for your note/code review.

OK, I will add error 2001 handling. Anything else to consider?

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 1:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Shamil,

In your Export Code below.

Error 2001 needs to be trapped and handled.  This will occur because your
code is parsing the MSys objects and if the object is  no  longer "LIVE" but
still shown in the MSys tables etc.  

.ALLFORMS will over come this I think.

Max


Option Compare Text
Option Explicit
On Error GoTo errhandler

Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
Dim strTargetFolder As String
Dim strTargetFileName As String
Dim strObjectFileFullPath As String
Dim strObjectName As String

    Set app = Access.Application
    
    strTargetFolder = Access.Application.CurrentProject.path + "\Objects\"
        
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(exportedObjectsSql, dbOpenForwardOnly)
    While Not (rst.EOF)
        Select Case rst![AcObjectType].Value
        Case acTable:
             strTargetFileName = _
                    rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + "_" + _
                    rst![ObjectName].Value
             If (Left(rst![ObjectName].Value, 4) <> "MSys") Then
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                 strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
             Else
                On Error Resume Next
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
".xml", _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
"Schema.xml"
                On Error GoTo errhandler
             End If
        Case acQuery, _
             acForm, _
             acReport, _
             acMacro, _
             acModule:
               strTargetFileName = rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + _
                    "_" + rst![ObjectName].Value + ".txt"
               app.SaveAsText _
                 rst![AcObjectType].Value, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + strTargetFileName
        Case Else
        End Select
        rst.MoveNext
    Wend
    rst.Close
    
    MsgBox ("Export DONE!")
exithere:
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sExportAllObjects(): " & Err.Number & vbCrLf
& Err.Description
    Resume exithere
    
End Sub

Private Property Get exportedObjectsSql()
Dim strSql As String
    strSql = _
 "SELECT " + _
 "  Switch( " + _
 "    [Type]=1,0, " + _
 "    [Type]=5,1, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32768,2, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32764,3, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32766,4, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32761,5) AS acObjectType, " + _
 "  Choose( " + _
 "   [acObjectType]+1,'Table','Query','Form','Report','Macro','Module') AS
ObjectTypeName, " + _
 "   MSysObjects.Name as ObjectName " + _
 " FROM MSysObjects " + _
 " WHERE " + _
 "   ((Not (Switch( " + _
 "
[Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4,[Type]
=-32761,5)) Is Null) AND ((MSysObjects.Name) Not Like '~*')) " + _
 " ORDER BY
Switch([Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4
,[Type]=-32761,5), MSysObjects.Name;"
    exportedObjectsSql = strSql
End Property



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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Feb 13 09:11:55 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:11:55 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <4b76b28e.1818d00a.09bc.6694@mx.google.com>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>	<4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>	<004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>
	<4b76b28e.1818 d00a.09bc.6694@mx.goog le.com>
Message-ID: <004b01caacbe$e2540000$a6fc0000$@spb.ru>

Hi Max --

Yes, but for add-in that check isn't needed.

The version of import code I posted also doesn't check existence of target
db objects - AFAIHF saved as text queries, forms, reports, macros and
modules do get replaced by .load from text.

Existence of target tables should be checked before importing their data
from saved xml - I will add that code to the add-in.

Thank you.

--
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Shamil,
I will do some testing later,  but on  the import code you need to ensure
that it doesn't try to import the same code module that it is actually
running, ie assuming the code is saved with the name as show here,  then

If getObjectNameFromFileName(strSourceFileName) <> "modObjectsImport" Then
' run code
Else
'  skip code	
Endif


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 13 February 2010 13:35
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Max --

Thank you for your note/code review.

OK, I will add error 2001 handling. Anything else to consider?

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 1:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Shamil,

In your Export Code below.

Error 2001 needs to be trapped and handled.  This will occur because your
code is parsing the MSys objects and if the object is  no  longer "LIVE" but
still shown in the MSys tables etc.  

.ALLFORMS will over come this I think.

Max


Option Compare Text
Option Explicit
On Error GoTo errhandler

Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
Dim strTargetFolder As String
Dim strTargetFileName As String
Dim strObjectFileFullPath As String
Dim strObjectName As String

    Set app = Access.Application
    
    strTargetFolder = Access.Application.CurrentProject.path + "\Objects\"
        
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(exportedObjectsSql, dbOpenForwardOnly)
    While Not (rst.EOF)
        Select Case rst![AcObjectType].Value
        Case acTable:
             strTargetFileName = _
                    rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + "_" + _
                    rst![ObjectName].Value
             If (Left(rst![ObjectName].Value, 4) <> "MSys") Then
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                 strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
             Else
                On Error Resume Next
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
".xml", _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
"Schema.xml"
                On Error GoTo errhandler
             End If
        Case acQuery, _
             acForm, _
             acReport, _
             acMacro, _
             acModule:
               strTargetFileName = rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + _
                    "_" + rst![ObjectName].Value + ".txt"
               app.SaveAsText _
                 rst![AcObjectType].Value, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + strTargetFileName
        Case Else
        End Select
        rst.MoveNext
    Wend
    rst.Close
    
    MsgBox ("Export DONE!")
exithere:
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sExportAllObjects(): " & Err.Number & vbCrLf
& Err.Description
    Resume exithere
    
End Sub

Private Property Get exportedObjectsSql()
Dim strSql As String
    strSql = _
 "SELECT " + _
 "  Switch( " + _
 "    [Type]=1,0, " + _
 "    [Type]=5,1, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32768,2, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32764,3, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32766,4, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32761,5) AS acObjectType, " + _
 "  Choose( " + _
 "   [acObjectType]+1,'Table','Query','Form','Report','Macro','Module') AS
ObjectTypeName, " + _
 "   MSysObjects.Name as ObjectName " + _
 " FROM MSysObjects " + _
 " WHERE " + _
 "   ((Not (Switch( " + _
 "
[Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4,[Type]
=-32761,5)) Is Null) AND ((MSysObjects.Name) Not Like '~*')) " + _
 " ORDER BY
Switch([Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4
,[Type]=-32761,5), MSysObjects.Name;"
    exportedObjectsSql = strSql
End Property



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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 09:19:00 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:19:00 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <004b01caacbe$e2540000$a6fc0000$@spb.ru>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>	<4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>	<004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>	<4b76b28e.1818
	d00a.09bc.6694@mx.goo
	g le.com> <004b01caacbe$e2540000$a6fc0000$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4b76c2ea.1701d00a.7598.7836@mx.google.com>

Hi Shamil,
Yes you are correct with the auto-replace for text objects,

BUT when you bring back tables it doesn't replace just creates  a new one
with an auto-incrementing suffix ie,  tblContacts, tblContacts1,
tblContacts2, etc.  needs to be  tested but  I think that is  right - will
test later when the  vodka has worn off <g>

Thanks

Max


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 13 February 2010 15:12
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Max --

Yes, but for add-in that check isn't needed.

The version of import code I posted also doesn't check existence of target
db objects - AFAIHF saved as text queries, forms, reports, macros and
modules do get replaced by .load from text.

Existence of target tables should be checked before importing their data
from saved xml - I will add that code to the add-in.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Shamil,
I will do some testing later,  but on  the import code you need to ensure
that it doesn't try to import the same code module that it is actually
running, ie assuming the code is saved with the name as show here,  then

If getObjectNameFromFileName(strSourceFileName) <> "modObjectsImport" Then
' run code
Else
'  skip code	
Endif


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 13 February 2010 13:35
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Max --

Thank you for your note/code review.

OK, I will add error 2001 handling. Anything else to consider?

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 1:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Shamil,

In your Export Code below.

Error 2001 needs to be trapped and handled.  This will occur because your
code is parsing the MSys objects and if the object is  no  longer "LIVE" but
still shown in the MSys tables etc.  

.ALLFORMS will over come this I think.

Max


Option Compare Text
Option Explicit
On Error GoTo errhandler

Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
Dim strTargetFolder As String
Dim strTargetFileName As String
Dim strObjectFileFullPath As String
Dim strObjectName As String

    Set app = Access.Application
    
    strTargetFolder = Access.Application.CurrentProject.path + "\Objects\"
        
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(exportedObjectsSql, dbOpenForwardOnly)
    While Not (rst.EOF)
        Select Case rst![AcObjectType].Value
        Case acTable:
             strTargetFileName = _
                    rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + "_" + _
                    rst![ObjectName].Value
             If (Left(rst![ObjectName].Value, 4) <> "MSys") Then
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                 strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
             Else
                On Error Resume Next
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
".xml", _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
"Schema.xml"
                On Error GoTo errhandler
             End If
        Case acQuery, _
             acForm, _
             acReport, _
             acMacro, _
             acModule:
               strTargetFileName = rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + _
                    "_" + rst![ObjectName].Value + ".txt"
               app.SaveAsText _
                 rst![AcObjectType].Value, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + strTargetFileName
        Case Else
        End Select
        rst.MoveNext
    Wend
    rst.Close
    
    MsgBox ("Export DONE!")
exithere:
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sExportAllObjects(): " & Err.Number & vbCrLf
& Err.Description
    Resume exithere
    
End Sub

Private Property Get exportedObjectsSql()
Dim strSql As String
    strSql = _
 "SELECT " + _
 "  Switch( " + _
 "    [Type]=1,0, " + _
 "    [Type]=5,1, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32768,2, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32764,3, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32766,4, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32761,5) AS acObjectType, " + _
 "  Choose( " + _
 "   [acObjectType]+1,'Table','Query','Form','Report','Macro','Module') AS
ObjectTypeName, " + _
 "   MSysObjects.Name as ObjectName " + _
 " FROM MSysObjects " + _
 " WHERE " + _
 "   ((Not (Switch( " + _
 "
[Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4,[Type]
=-32761,5)) Is Null) AND ((MSysObjects.Name) Not Like '~*')) " + _
 " ORDER BY
Switch([Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4
,[Type]=-32761,5), MSysObjects.Name;"
    exportedObjectsSql = strSql
End Property



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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Sat Feb 13 09:46:59 2010
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:46:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Email - Attachments
Message-ID: <4B76C973.7080408@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey All
I know this has been discussed many times. But I was wondering if there 
was simple code available to send an EMail with several attachments.  I 
have been using some clean old code that Shamil  and I discussed years 
ago.  It detects the user's EMailer and opens it up. You can automate 
the  MailTo,  Subject and Body text, but you cannot automate the ability 
to add attachments. Works like a beauty and because it was only one 
converted PDF file at a time, the user didn't mind manually adding an 
attachment.  But now we have a to send a series of quarterly reports.

Thanks


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Feb 13 10:07:24 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:07:24 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <4b76c2ea.1701d00a.7598.7836@mx.google.com>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>	<4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>	<004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>	<4b76b28e.1818
	d00a.09bc.6694@mx.goo
	g le.com> <004b01caacbe$e2540000$a6fc0000$@spb.ru>
	<4b76c2ea.1701d00a.7598.7836@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <004c01caacc6$a3c8fa40$eb5aeec0$@spb.ru>

Hi Max --

Thank you, I know about this "suffixing feature".

Thank you, I do not drink vodka as often as you tip off <g>

Once again, the first version of add-in is mainly a proof of concept of
Add-In Express feature of using of one custom MS Access Add-In setup for MS
Access 2000 - 2010 versions, as well as setting the structure of the VS
solution to make custom Add-In pluggable with new functionality plug-ins in
the new versions etc.
Therefore I do not take into that much account Access db objects
export/import features' implementations, and quality of coding of runtime
errors capturing and exceptions workarounds. Of course there will be some
bugs in this code but not vodka consumption related :)

Good prompt friendly humorous code review - what better attitude to their
coding work a developer might wish?

Have nice weekend.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Shamil,
Yes you are correct with the auto-replace for text objects,

BUT when you bring back tables it doesn't replace just creates  a new one
with an auto-incrementing suffix ie,  tblContacts, tblContacts1,
tblContacts2, etc.  needs to be  tested but  I think that is  right - will
test later when the  vodka has worn off <g>

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 13 February 2010 15:12
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Max --

Yes, but for add-in that check isn't needed.

The version of import code I posted also doesn't check existence of target
db objects - AFAIHF saved as text queries, forms, reports, macros and
modules do get replaced by .load from text.

Existence of target tables should be checked before importing their data
from saved xml - I will add that code to the add-in.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Shamil,
I will do some testing later,  but on  the import code you need to ensure
that it doesn't try to import the same code module that it is actually
running, ie assuming the code is saved with the name as show here,  then

If getObjectNameFromFileName(strSourceFileName) <> "modObjectsImport" Then
' run code
Else
'  skip code	
Endif


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 13 February 2010 13:35
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Max --

Thank you for your note/code review.

OK, I will add error 2001 handling. Anything else to consider?

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 1:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Shamil,

In your Export Code below.

Error 2001 needs to be trapped and handled.  This will occur because your
code is parsing the MSys objects and if the object is  no  longer "LIVE" but
still shown in the MSys tables etc.  

.ALLFORMS will over come this I think.

Max


Option Compare Text
Option Explicit
On Error GoTo errhandler

Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
Dim strTargetFolder As String
Dim strTargetFileName As String
Dim strObjectFileFullPath As String
Dim strObjectName As String

    Set app = Access.Application
    
    strTargetFolder = Access.Application.CurrentProject.path + "\Objects\"
        
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(exportedObjectsSql, dbOpenForwardOnly)
    While Not (rst.EOF)
        Select Case rst![AcObjectType].Value
        Case acTable:
             strTargetFileName = _
                    rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + "_" + _
                    rst![ObjectName].Value
             If (Left(rst![ObjectName].Value, 4) <> "MSys") Then
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                 strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
             Else
                On Error Resume Next
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
".xml", _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
"Schema.xml"
                On Error GoTo errhandler
             End If
        Case acQuery, _
             acForm, _
             acReport, _
             acMacro, _
             acModule:
               strTargetFileName = rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + _
                    "_" + rst![ObjectName].Value + ".txt"
               app.SaveAsText _
                 rst![AcObjectType].Value, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + strTargetFileName
        Case Else
        End Select
        rst.MoveNext
    Wend
    rst.Close
    
    MsgBox ("Export DONE!")
exithere:
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sExportAllObjects(): " & Err.Number & vbCrLf
& Err.Description
    Resume exithere
    
End Sub

Private Property Get exportedObjectsSql()
Dim strSql As String
    strSql = _
 "SELECT " + _
 "  Switch( " + _
 "    [Type]=1,0, " + _
 "    [Type]=5,1, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32768,2, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32764,3, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32766,4, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32761,5) AS acObjectType, " + _
 "  Choose( " + _
 "   [acObjectType]+1,'Table','Query','Form','Report','Macro','Module') AS
ObjectTypeName, " + _
 "   MSysObjects.Name as ObjectName " + _
 " FROM MSysObjects " + _
 " WHERE " + _
 "   ((Not (Switch( " + _
 "
[Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4,[Type]
=-32761,5)) Is Null) AND ((MSysObjects.Name) Not Like '~*')) " + _
 " ORDER BY
Switch([Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4
,[Type]=-32761,5), MSysObjects.Name;"
    exportedObjectsSql = strSql
End Property

<<< snip >>





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Feb 13 10:09:53 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:09:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Email - Attachments
In-Reply-To: <4B76C973.7080408@nanaimo.ark.com>
References: <4B76C973.7080408@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <E240E38E6A76496D8E474398BAB6ED0F@danwaters>

Hi Tony,

This part of what I use:

Set outApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
Set outMail = outApp.CreateItem(olMailItem)

With outMail

    If stgAttachmentList <> "" Then
        Do While stgAttachmentList <> ""
            If InStr(stgAttachmentList, ";") <> 0 Then
                .Attachments.Add Left(stgAttachmentList,
InStr(stgAttachmentList, ";") - 1)
                stgAttachmentList = Mid(stgAttachmentList,
InStr(stgAttachmentList, ";") + 1)
            Else
                .Attachments.Add stgAttachmentList
                stgAttachmentList = ""
            End If
        Loop
    End If
    
End With

This is part of a procedure which handles all Outlook emails.  I pass in the
stgAttachmentList, which is a string of one or more full paths to the files
I want to attach, and I've separated each path with a semicolon.

Should work!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Email - Attachments

Hey All
I know this has been discussed many times. But I was wondering if there 
was simple code available to send an EMail with several attachments.  I 
have been using some clean old code that Shamil  and I discussed years 
ago.  It detects the user's EMailer and opens it up. You can automate 
the  MailTo,  Subject and Body text, but you cannot automate the ability 
to add attachments. Works like a beauty and because it was only one 
converted PDF file at a time, the user didn't mind manually adding an 
attachment.  But now we have a to send a series of quarterly reports.

Thanks
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Sat Feb 13 10:35:11 2010
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:35:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Email - Attachments
In-Reply-To: <E240E38E6A76496D8E474398BAB6ED0F@danwaters>
References: <4B76C973.7080408@nanaimo.ark.com>
	<E240E38E6A76496D8E474398BAB6ED0F@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4B76D4BF.3040700@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey Dan
Thanks
Duh (to myself)??? I have been using ShellExecute to open up the user's 
EMailer, found you cannot use attachments.  What I am kind of looking at 
is simply opening their Emailer (generic) and automatically filling in 
the information for them, they can manually send it.

I was kind of hoping that I could simply do this without making it 
Outlook specific etc.
I will keep your info for further reference.


Dan Waters wrote:

>Hi Tony,
>
>This part of what I use:
>
>Set outApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
>Set outMail = outApp.CreateItem(olMailItem)
>
>With outMail
>
>    If stgAttachmentList <> "" Then
>        Do While stgAttachmentList <> ""
>            If InStr(stgAttachmentList, ";") <> 0 Then
>                .Attachments.Add Left(stgAttachmentList,
>InStr(stgAttachmentList, ";") - 1)
>                stgAttachmentList = Mid(stgAttachmentList,
>InStr(stgAttachmentList, ";") + 1)
>            Else
>                .Attachments.Add stgAttachmentList
>                stgAttachmentList = ""
>            End If
>        Loop
>    End If
>    
>End With
>
>This is part of a procedure which handles all Outlook emails.  I pass in the
>stgAttachmentList, which is a string of one or more full paths to the files
>I want to attach, and I've separated each path with a semicolon.
>
>Should work!
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
>Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:47 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Email - Attachments
>
>Hey All
>I know this has been discussed many times. But I was wondering if there 
>was simple code available to send an EMail with several attachments.  I 
>have been using some clean old code that Shamil  and I discussed years 
>ago.  It detects the user's EMailer and opens it up. You can automate 
>the  MailTo,  Subject and Body text, but you cannot automate the ability 
>to add attachments. Works like a beauty and because it was only one 
>converted PDF file at a time, the user didn't mind manually adding an 
>attachment.  But now we have a to send a series of quarterly reports.
>
>Thanks
>  
>



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Feb 13 10:53:02 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:53:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Email - Attachments
In-Reply-To: <4B76C973.7080408@nanaimo.ark.com>
References: <4B76C973.7080408@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <E63A279EF6434F60B5F0B2BF311C90B4@HAL9005>

Outlook? 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 7:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Email - Attachments

Hey All
I know this has been discussed many times. But I was wondering if there was
simple code available to send an EMail with several attachments.  I have
been using some clean old code that Shamil  and I discussed years ago.  It
detects the user's EMailer and opens it up. You can automate the  MailTo,
Subject and Body text, but you cannot automate the ability to add
attachments. Works like a beauty and because it was only one converted PDF
file at a time, the user didn't mind manually adding an attachment.  But now
we have a to send a series of quarterly reports.

Thanks
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Feb 13 12:08:07 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:08:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Email - Attachments
In-Reply-To: <4B76D4BF.3040700@nanaimo.ark.com>
References: <4B76C973.7080408@nanaimo.ark.com><E240E38E6A76496D8E474398BAB6ED0F@danwaters>
	<4B76D4BF.3040700@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <F49307A2F5E7469A954E8E30C57DE92D@danwaters>

I haven't heard of Emailer - is this an SMTP application?  SMTP email can
also send multiple emails without prompting the user.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Email - Attachments

Hey Dan
Thanks
Duh (to myself)??? I have been using ShellExecute to open up the user's 
EMailer, found you cannot use attachments.  What I am kind of looking at 
is simply opening their Emailer (generic) and automatically filling in 
the information for them, they can manually send it.

I was kind of hoping that I could simply do this without making it 
Outlook specific etc.
I will keep your info for further reference.


Dan Waters wrote:

>Hi Tony,
>
>This part of what I use:
>
>Set outApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
>Set outMail = outApp.CreateItem(olMailItem)
>
>With outMail
>
>    If stgAttachmentList <> "" Then
>        Do While stgAttachmentList <> ""
>            If InStr(stgAttachmentList, ";") <> 0 Then
>                .Attachments.Add Left(stgAttachmentList,
>InStr(stgAttachmentList, ";") - 1)
>                stgAttachmentList = Mid(stgAttachmentList,
>InStr(stgAttachmentList, ";") + 1)
>            Else
>                .Attachments.Add stgAttachmentList
>                stgAttachmentList = ""
>            End If
>        Loop
>    End If
>    
>End With
>
>This is part of a procedure which handles all Outlook emails.  I pass in
the
>stgAttachmentList, which is a string of one or more full paths to the files
>I want to attach, and I've separated each path with a semicolon.
>
>Should work!
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
>Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:47 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Email - Attachments
>
>Hey All
>I know this has been discussed many times. But I was wondering if there 
>was simple code available to send an EMail with several attachments.  I 
>have been using some clean old code that Shamil  and I discussed years 
>ago.  It detects the user's EMailer and opens it up. You can automate 
>the  MailTo,  Subject and Body text, but you cannot automate the ability 
>to add attachments. Works like a beauty and because it was only one 
>converted PDF file at a time, the user didn't mind manually adding an 
>attachment.  But now we have a to send a series of quarterly reports.
>
>Thanks
>  
>

-- 
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 12:33:50 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:33:50 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <004c01caacc6$a3c8fa40$eb5aeec0$@spb.ru>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>	<4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>	<004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>	<4b76b28e.1818	d00a.09bc.6694@mx.goo
	g le.com>
	<004b01caacbe$e2540000$a6fc0000$@spb.ru>	<4b76c2ea.1701d00a.7598.7836@mx.google.com>
	<004c01caacc6$a3c8fa40$eb5aeec0$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4b76f0a8.0508d00a.38cb.ffffe870@mx.google.com>

Ah, sorry Shamil,
I meant tea..must get a new keyboard.
Do more checking later.. after the TEA wears off.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 13 February 2010 16:07
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Max --

Thank you, I know about this "suffixing feature".

Thank you, I do not drink vodka as often as you tip off <g>

Once again, the first version of add-in is mainly a proof of concept of
Add-In Express feature of using of one custom MS Access Add-In setup for MS
Access 2000 - 2010 versions, as well as setting the structure of the VS
solution to make custom Add-In pluggable with new functionality plug-ins in
the new versions etc.
Therefore I do not take into that much account Access db objects
export/import features' implementations, and quality of coding of runtime
errors capturing and exceptions workarounds. Of course there will be some
bugs in this code but not vodka consumption related :)

Good prompt friendly humorous code review - what better attitude to their
coding work a developer might wish?

Have nice weekend.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Shamil,
Yes you are correct with the auto-replace for text objects,

BUT when you bring back tables it doesn't replace just creates  a new one
with an auto-incrementing suffix ie,  tblContacts, tblContacts1,
tblContacts2, etc.  needs to be  tested but  I think that is  right - will
test later when the  vodka has worn off <g>

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 13 February 2010 15:12
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Max --

Yes, but for add-in that check isn't needed.

The version of import code I posted also doesn't check existence of target
db objects - AFAIHF saved as text queries, forms, reports, macros and
modules do get replaced by .load from text.

Existence of target tables should be checked before importing their data
from saved xml - I will add that code to the add-in.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Shamil,
I will do some testing later,  but on  the import code you need to ensure
that it doesn't try to import the same code module that it is actually
running, ie assuming the code is saved with the name as show here,  then

If getObjectNameFromFileName(strSourceFileName) <> "modObjectsImport" Then
' run code
Else
'  skip code	
Endif


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 13 February 2010 13:35
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Max --

Thank you for your note/code review.

OK, I will add error 2001 handling. Anything else to consider?

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 1:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Shamil,

In your Export Code below.

Error 2001 needs to be trapped and handled.  This will occur because your
code is parsing the MSys objects and if the object is  no  longer "LIVE" but
still shown in the MSys tables etc.  

.ALLFORMS will over come this I think.

Max


Option Compare Text
Option Explicit
On Error GoTo errhandler

Dim app As Access.Application
Dim dbs As DAO.Database
Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
Dim strTargetFolder As String
Dim strTargetFileName As String
Dim strObjectFileFullPath As String
Dim strObjectName As String

    Set app = Access.Application
    
    strTargetFolder = Access.Application.CurrentProject.path + "\Objects\"
        
    Set dbs = app.CurrentDb
    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(exportedObjectsSql, dbOpenForwardOnly)
    While Not (rst.EOF)
        Select Case rst![AcObjectType].Value
        Case acTable:
             strTargetFileName = _
                    rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + "_" + _
                    rst![ObjectName].Value
             If (Left(rst![ObjectName].Value, 4) <> "MSys") Then
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                 strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
             Else
                On Error Resume Next
                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
".xml", _
                 strTargetFolder + "MSysTables\" + strTargetFileName +
"Schema.xml"
                On Error GoTo errhandler
             End If
        Case acQuery, _
             acForm, _
             acReport, _
             acMacro, _
             acModule:
               strTargetFileName = rst![ObjectTypeName].Value + _
                    "_" + rst![ObjectName].Value + ".txt"
               app.SaveAsText _
                 rst![AcObjectType].Value, _
                 rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                 strTargetFolder + strTargetFileName
        Case Else
        End Select
        rst.MoveNext
    Wend
    rst.Close
    
    MsgBox ("Export DONE!")
exithere:
    Exit Sub
errhandler:
    MsgBox "Unhandled Error in sExportAllObjects(): " & Err.Number & vbCrLf
& Err.Description
    Resume exithere
    
End Sub

Private Property Get exportedObjectsSql()
Dim strSql As String
    strSql = _
 "SELECT " + _
 "  Switch( " + _
 "    [Type]=1,0, " + _
 "    [Type]=5,1, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32768,2, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32764,3, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32766,4, " + _
 "    [Type]=-32761,5) AS acObjectType, " + _
 "  Choose( " + _
 "   [acObjectType]+1,'Table','Query','Form','Report','Macro','Module') AS
ObjectTypeName, " + _
 "   MSysObjects.Name as ObjectName " + _
 " FROM MSysObjects " + _
 " WHERE " + _
 "   ((Not (Switch( " + _
 "
[Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4,[Type]
=-32761,5)) Is Null) AND ((MSysObjects.Name) Not Like '~*')) " + _
 " ORDER BY
Switch([Type]=1,0,[Type]=5,1,[Type]=-32768,2,[Type]=-32764,3,[Type]=-32766,4
,[Type]=-32761,5), MSysObjects.Name;"
    exportedObjectsSql = strSql
End Property

<<< snip >>



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From kismert at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 13:12:48 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:12:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 18
In-Reply-To: <mailman.40164.1266074357.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.40164.1266074357.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <7c7841601002131112l1f1fefa6i775ea3128d9c95b3@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Charlotte Foust:
> You have to import it into a whole new form.
>
> Rocky Smolin:
> >If you hit the limit can you export the form to a text file and then
> >reimport it to reset the object counter?
>
> Jim Dettman:
> > Access has a limit of creating 754 controls over the lifetime of a form.
> > Once you hit that limit, that's it.  You need to re-create the form.
>

Jim is right. You can't just edit the form name in the SaveAsText file, and
re-import using LoadFromText. The limitation follows you.

You have to recreate the form from scratch. I am certain of this in A2K.
This might have changed in 2007 or 2010, but someone will have to
demonstrate it in code to convince me.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 13:18:13 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:18:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 18
In-Reply-To: <mailman.40164.1266074357.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.40164.1266074357.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <7c7841601002131118k74523fe5m3fd2831f88cd32c3@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Shamil Salakhetdinov:
> <<<
> The rebuild was an extreme solution for
> an extreme problem, but it worked.
> >>>
> Hi Ken --
>
> Was that work code by code or manually?
>


It is a VBA code solution. The code:
 * Copies all Access objects from a source Access database to a
destination.
 * It recursively iterates the AllForms collection, creating all subform
dependencies before the parent form.
 * Uses a plug-in mechanism to handle various object creation methods,
including recreate from scratch, SaveAsText/LoadFromText, and
TransferDatabase. ImportXML and ExportXML could easily be added.
 * Has special handling for embedded ActiveX controls for which you have no
license.
 * Includes a restart function --- if the process errors out, you can
restart after the last good object that was copied

For each form, the recreate function loads the source form, and:
 * Creates a new, blank destination form
 * Creates the sections, copying all properties, including sorting/grouping
 * Orders all controls and tab page controls by tab order
 * Iterates through all controls, creating them in proper order in the
destination. Subcontrols are created under their parents
 * Iterates through the Properties collection of each control, copying them
to the destination control. This includes all hidden/outdated properties,
and properties that require custom handling.
 * Iterates through the controls in reverse z-order, sending controls to
front to so they render properly

It handles reports in a similar fashion. Modules and references are copied
by using VBA IDE methods.

It can copy/recreate about 98% of an Access database successfully. There
remains a lot of work to do on the code.

-Ken


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 14:19:28 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:19:28 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 18
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002131118k74523fe5m3fd2831f88cd32c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.40164.1266074357.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<7c7841601002131118k74523fe5m3fd2831f88cd32c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b770974.1c07d00a.7c0c.ffffced0@mx.google.com>

Ken,
That sound fantastic,....but! 
(there is always a but,isn't there)
If the "simple" solution works why do the difficult one?  The result is the
same.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 13 February 2010 19:18
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 18

>
> Shamil Salakhetdinov:
> <<<
> The rebuild was an extreme solution for
> an extreme problem, but it worked.
> >>>
> Hi Ken --
>
> Was that work code by code or manually?
>


It is a VBA code solution. The code:
 * Copies all Access objects from a source Access database to a
destination.
 * It recursively iterates the AllForms collection, creating all subform
dependencies before the parent form.
 * Uses a plug-in mechanism to handle various object creation methods,
including recreate from scratch, SaveAsText/LoadFromText, and
TransferDatabase. ImportXML and ExportXML could easily be added.
 * Has special handling for embedded ActiveX controls for which you have no
license.
 * Includes a restart function --- if the process errors out, you can
restart after the last good object that was copied

For each form, the recreate function loads the source form, and:
 * Creates a new, blank destination form
 * Creates the sections, copying all properties, including sorting/grouping
 * Orders all controls and tab page controls by tab order
 * Iterates through all controls, creating them in proper order in the
destination. Subcontrols are created under their parents
 * Iterates through the Properties collection of each control, copying them
to the destination control. This includes all hidden/outdated properties,
and properties that require custom handling.
 * Iterates through the controls in reverse z-order, sending controls to
front to so they render properly

It handles reports in a similar fashion. Modules and references are copied
by using VBA IDE methods.

It can copy/recreate about 98% of an Access database successfully. There
remains a lot of work to do on the code.

-Ken
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 20:25:54 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:25:54 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create a
	NEW DB and populate with objects.
In-Reply-To: <004c01caacc6$a3c8fa40$eb5aeec0$@spb.ru>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>	<4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>	<004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>	<4b76b28e.1818	d00a.09bc.6694@mx.goo
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	<004c01caacc6$a3c8fa40$eb5aeec0$@spb.ru>
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Hi Shamil,

Just done some more coding to create a NEW DB and populate with objects from
OLD DB without having to open either of them.

Assuming you are sitting in DB1 (code below) and you want to take all the
objects from Existing DB2 and create a Brand New DB3, here is  one way (code
below)

To keep the idea simply, I have opened DB1 and run
sExportRemoteObjectsAsText() which exported all the Forms from DB2.  (The
actual export code would be replaced by the code you are creating/posting
now to export ALL objects.  This is just a demo bit to keep it short.)

Then once the objects have been exported as textfiles, I run the code in
sImportRemoteObectsFromTextIntoNewDB() which imports the text objects into
DB3.  (Again, to keep the example simple, I have just imported one object
but this would be  replaced by your code to  bring all objects back)

If you now look at the NEW DB3 you will see ALL the objects that are sitting
in DB2 copied into a brand new database DB3 with no bloat etc. DB2 remains
unharmed or altered in anyway.

With this code you have done all this automatically without opening either
DB2 or DB3.

Would this be a useful wrapper to your project code?

I think this would work with ADP projects too but not sure.

Max
(Watch for wrap)


CODE for DB1.

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private dbsNew As DAO.Database
Private wrkDefault As Workspace
Private proj As CurrentProject
Private obj As Object
Private appAccess As New Access.Application

Sub sExportRemoteObjectsAsText()
    appAccess.OpenCurrentDatabase "C:\_MCM\DB2.mdb", False
    Set proj = appAccess.CurrentProject
    For Each obj In proj.AllForms ' export form objects just as an example
        appAccess.SaveAsText acForm, obj.Name, "C:\_MCM\Objects\" & obj.Name
& ".txt"
    Next obj
    appAccess.CloseCurrentDatabase ' shut down temp application
End Sub

Sub sImportRemoteObectsFromTextIntoNewDB()
    Set wrkDefault = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)    ' Get default Workspace.
    If Dir("C:\_MCM\DB3.mdb") <> "" Then Kill "C:\_MCM\DB3.mdb"    ' Make
sure there isn't already a file with the name of the new database.
    Set dbsNew = wrkDefault.CreateDatabase("C:\_MCM\DB3.mdb", dbLangGeneral)
' Create a new un-encrypted database with the specified collating order.
    dbsNew.Close
    Set dbsNew = Nothing
    appAccess.OpenCurrentDatabase "C:\_MCM\DB3.mdb", False    ' set a
reference to it
    appAccess.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", "C:\_MCM\Objects\Form1.txt" '
load a sample object into it.
    appAccess.CloseCurrentDatabase ' shut down temp application
End Sub



From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sun Feb 14 03:32:31 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:32:31 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create
	a	NEW DB and populate with objects.
In-Reply-To: <4b775f79.0702d00a.3a66.1f42@mx.google.com>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>	<4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>	<004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>	<4b76b28e.181!
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Hi Max --

Thank you for your note.

In fact you can do that new db creation without intermediate usage of text
files - just use .TranferDatabase, e.g.

- having db to be "packed" opened within MS Access IDE close it, and create
new db then use .TransferDatabase to import all objects one by one using
.Containers and .Documents collections to select source objects, or a query
over MSysObjects...

The issue with that approach (and the one you propose below) is that in
general case in the new db you'll have also to recreate:

- references;
- database properties; 
- user defined properties;
- relationships;
- ? something else I missed ?

So, I'd currently keep the "EatBloat" simple as it is:

- export all objects into text files;
- import all objects back from text files (handle tables' import as a
special case discussed earlier here);
- compact db;

This "lightweight" approach assumes that there is no relationships in the db
to be "packed" as well as this is a developer's/user's duty to make db
backup before running export/import to "eatbloat" (yes, it's easy to make
backup of db by code but then current db should be closed before making
backup, and when reopened within MS Access IDE it could run autoexec macro
or start-up form, yes we can temporarily block them but then we will be
changing source db anyway - let's not do that for now...)

As I noted in one of the posting in this thread, quite some time ago in 1999
I have been involved in a project called "Application Manager", which did
many "tricks" with "shuffling" MS Access objects between a set of databases,
setting references, (re)creating user defined properties, injecting
"plumbing code", packing all stuff as InstallShield/SageKey setups etc.etc.

All that can be done but it takes time ("Application Manager" took almost
three months fulltime) therefore let's (for now) follow KISS principle to
not "sink in the implementation details" - I suppose "lightweight" approach
should work rather well for most of the real life cases (as William noted),
there should be just one option added probably to make tables'
backup/restore option selectable before export/import - then "lightweight"
approach will also work with the databases with relationships.

The next step could be to make it working for db with relationships - and
there could be at least two ways to do that:

- 1. from a set of existing relationships get (a) data dropping and (b) data
importing sequence and use (a) to drop all tables' data after they are
exported into text files, and use (b) to import all data from the tables;
- 2. Save tables' data as text, save Relationships definition, drop all
relations, import data from text, recreate relations. 

When that is working saving/recreation of references can be added etc...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create a
NEW DB and populate with objects.

Hi Shamil,

Just done some more coding to create a NEW DB and populate with objects from
OLD DB without having to open either of them.

Assuming you are sitting in DB1 (code below) and you want to take all the
objects from Existing DB2 and create a Brand New DB3, here is  one way (code
below)

To keep the idea simply, I have opened DB1 and run
sExportRemoteObjectsAsText() which exported all the Forms from DB2.  (The
actual export code would be replaced by the code you are creating/posting
now to export ALL objects.  This is just a demo bit to keep it short.)

Then once the objects have been exported as textfiles, I run the code in
sImportRemoteObectsFromTextIntoNewDB() which imports the text objects into
DB3.  (Again, to keep the example simple, I have just imported one object
but this would be  replaced by your code to  bring all objects back)

If you now look at the NEW DB3 you will see ALL the objects that are sitting
in DB2 copied into a brand new database DB3 with no bloat etc. DB2 remains
unharmed or altered in anyway.

With this code you have done all this automatically without opening either
DB2 or DB3.

Would this be a useful wrapper to your project code?

I think this would work with ADP projects too but not sure.

Max
(Watch for wrap)


CODE for DB1.

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private dbsNew As DAO.Database
Private wrkDefault As Workspace
Private proj As CurrentProject
Private obj As Object
Private appAccess As New Access.Application

Sub sExportRemoteObjectsAsText()
    appAccess.OpenCurrentDatabase "C:\_MCM\DB2.mdb", False
    Set proj = appAccess.CurrentProject
    For Each obj In proj.AllForms ' export form objects just as an example
        appAccess.SaveAsText acForm, obj.Name, "C:\_MCM\Objects\" & obj.Name
& ".txt"
    Next obj
    appAccess.CloseCurrentDatabase ' shut down temp application
End Sub

Sub sImportRemoteObectsFromTextIntoNewDB()
    Set wrkDefault = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)    ' Get default Workspace.
    If Dir("C:\_MCM\DB3.mdb") <> "" Then Kill "C:\_MCM\DB3.mdb"    ' Make
sure there isn't already a file with the name of the new database.
    Set dbsNew = wrkDefault.CreateDatabase("C:\_MCM\DB3.mdb", dbLangGeneral)
' Create a new un-encrypted database with the specified collating order.
    dbsNew.Close
    Set dbsNew = Nothing
    appAccess.OpenCurrentDatabase "C:\_MCM\DB3.mdb", False    ' set a
reference to it
    appAccess.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", "C:\_MCM\Objects\Form1.txt" '
load a sample object into it.
    appAccess.CloseCurrentDatabase ' shut down temp application
End Sub

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Feb 14 04:31:37 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:31:37 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
	Create	a	NEW DB and populate with objects.
In-Reply-To: <005801caad58$a2ecb6b0$e8c62410$@spb.ru>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>	<4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>	<004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>	<4b76b28e.181!	8	d00a.09bc.6694@mx.g
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Thanks Shamil,

I look forward to your development.

In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:

                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"

should it be:

                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 February 2010 09:33
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create a
NEW DB and populate with objects.

Hi Max --

Thank you for your note.

In fact you can do that new db creation without intermediate usage of text
files - just use .TranferDatabase, e.g.

- having db to be "packed" opened within MS Access IDE close it, and create
new db then use .TransferDatabase to import all objects one by one using
.Containers and .Documents collections to select source objects, or a query
over MSysObjects...

The issue with that approach (and the one you propose below) is that in
general case in the new db you'll have also to recreate:

- references;
- database properties; 
- user defined properties;
- relationships;
- ? something else I missed ?

So, I'd currently keep the "EatBloat" simple as it is:

- export all objects into text files;
- import all objects back from text files (handle tables' import as a
special case discussed earlier here);
- compact db;

This "lightweight" approach assumes that there is no relationships in the db
to be "packed" as well as this is a developer's/user's duty to make db
backup before running export/import to "eatbloat" (yes, it's easy to make
backup of db by code but then current db should be closed before making
backup, and when reopened within MS Access IDE it could run autoexec macro
or start-up form, yes we can temporarily block them but then we will be
changing source db anyway - let's not do that for now...)

As I noted in one of the posting in this thread, quite some time ago in 1999
I have been involved in a project called "Application Manager", which did
many "tricks" with "shuffling" MS Access objects between a set of databases,
setting references, (re)creating user defined properties, injecting
"plumbing code", packing all stuff as InstallShield/SageKey setups etc.etc.

All that can be done but it takes time ("Application Manager" took almost
three months fulltime) therefore let's (for now) follow KISS principle to
not "sink in the implementation details" - I suppose "lightweight" approach
should work rather well for most of the real life cases (as William noted),
there should be just one option added probably to make tables'
backup/restore option selectable before export/import - then "lightweight"
approach will also work with the databases with relationships.

The next step could be to make it working for db with relationships - and
there could be at least two ways to do that:

- 1. from a set of existing relationships get (a) data dropping and (b) data
importing sequence and use (a) to drop all tables' data after they are
exported into text files, and use (b) to import all data from the tables;
- 2. Save tables' data as text, save Relationships definition, drop all
relations, import data from text, recreate relations. 

When that is working saving/recreation of references can be added etc...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create a
NEW DB and populate with objects.

Hi Shamil,

Just done some more coding to create a NEW DB and populate with objects from
OLD DB without having to open either of them.

Assuming you are sitting in DB1 (code below) and you want to take all the
objects from Existing DB2 and create a Brand New DB3, here is  one way (code
below)

To keep the idea simply, I have opened DB1 and run
sExportRemoteObjectsAsText() which exported all the Forms from DB2.  (The
actual export code would be replaced by the code you are creating/posting
now to export ALL objects.  This is just a demo bit to keep it short.)

Then once the objects have been exported as textfiles, I run the code in
sImportRemoteObectsFromTextIntoNewDB() which imports the text objects into
DB3.  (Again, to keep the example simple, I have just imported one object
but this would be  replaced by your code to  bring all objects back)

If you now look at the NEW DB3 you will see ALL the objects that are sitting
in DB2 copied into a brand new database DB3 with no bloat etc. DB2 remains
unharmed or altered in anyway.

With this code you have done all this automatically without opening either
DB2 or DB3.

Would this be a useful wrapper to your project code?

I think this would work with ADP projects too but not sure.

Max
(Watch for wrap)


CODE for DB1.

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private dbsNew As DAO.Database
Private wrkDefault As Workspace
Private proj As CurrentProject
Private obj As Object
Private appAccess As New Access.Application

Sub sExportRemoteObjectsAsText()
    appAccess.OpenCurrentDatabase "C:\_MCM\DB2.mdb", False
    Set proj = appAccess.CurrentProject
    For Each obj In proj.AllForms ' export form objects just as an example
        appAccess.SaveAsText acForm, obj.Name, "C:\_MCM\Objects\" & obj.Name
& ".txt"
    Next obj
    appAccess.CloseCurrentDatabase ' shut down temp application
End Sub

Sub sImportRemoteObectsFromTextIntoNewDB()
    Set wrkDefault = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)    ' Get default Workspace.
    If Dir("C:\_MCM\DB3.mdb") <> "" Then Kill "C:\_MCM\DB3.mdb"    ' Make
sure there isn't already a file with the name of the new database.
    Set dbsNew = wrkDefault.CreateDatabase("C:\_MCM\DB3.mdb", dbLangGeneral)
' Create a new un-encrypted database with the specified collating order.
    dbsNew.Close
    Set dbsNew = Nothing
    appAccess.OpenCurrentDatabase "C:\_MCM\DB3.mdb", False    ' set a
reference to it
    appAccess.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", "C:\_MCM\Objects\Form1.txt" '
load a sample object into it.
    appAccess.CloseCurrentDatabase ' shut down temp application
End Sub

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sun Feb 14 11:11:30 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:11:30 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
In-Reply-To: <4b77d12f.1701d00a.7e20.01fd@mx.google.com>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>	<4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>	<004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>	<4b76b28e.181!
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	<4b77d12f.1701d00a.7e20.01fd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <006501caad98$c18518c0$448f4a40$@spb.ru>

Hi Max et al,

I have made quite some C# coding to implement "EatBloat" (Export/Import)
using .NET.
Below you can find download link for the sources.
As you can find this is a set of projects, which are ready to be "plugged"
to a COM Add-In whatever way you will develop it using Add-In Express or
not. There is no any Add-In Express refs/sources there yet - so the
published stuff can be used freely.

Current status is that the export of Access db objects and data into
text/xml files, and import back/restore into a fresh MS Access db worked
well in Automation mode. Next step will be to use this coding with Add-In
Express to make Access version independent add-in.

Please ask any questions as this is a rather advanced stuff.
Please give me time to reply as I have to do other work for money in
parallel.
I'd prefer to keep this thread here as it's related to MS Access Add-In(s)
development using modern development tools to automate routine everyday MS
Access developers' work by developing different plug-ins.
As you can find the published sources were developed using mainly Test
Driven Development (TDD) approach - that allowed me to make that coding
relatively quick without any debugging sessions, and ready to be hosted in
an Access Add-in - agile practice in action...

I have got "christened" this tool as "Access.PowerTools.[Add-In]".

The stuff was developed using VS2008 SP1 on Vista Ultimate with MS Office
2007 (one project from the set is currently Access 2007 (12) dependent - it
uses Access Primary Interop Assembly v.12. There is also reference tp DAO
2.6 in the same project. The Add-In which will be developed further using
Add-In Express will not have these references/dependencies.)

Look http://northwind.codeplex.com/releases/view/26600 

for Access.PowerTools.Code.100214.zip
http://northwind.codeplex.com/releases/view/26600#DownloadId=106137 

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create a
NEW DB and populate with objects.

Thanks Shamil,

I look forward to your development.

In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:

                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"

should it be:

                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 February 2010 09:33
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create a
NEW DB and populate with objects.

Hi Max --

Thank you for your note.

In fact you can do that new db creation without intermediate usage of text
files - just use .TranferDatabase, e.g.

- having db to be "packed" opened within MS Access IDE close it, and create
new db then use .TransferDatabase to import all objects one by one using
.Containers and .Documents collections to select source objects, or a query
over MSysObjects...

The issue with that approach (and the one you propose below) is that in
general case in the new db you'll have also to recreate:

- references;
- database properties; 
- user defined properties;
- relationships;
- ? something else I missed ?

So, I'd currently keep the "EatBloat" simple as it is:

- export all objects into text files;
- import all objects back from text files (handle tables' import as a
special case discussed earlier here);
- compact db;

This "lightweight" approach assumes that there is no relationships in the db
to be "packed" as well as this is a developer's/user's duty to make db
backup before running export/import to "eatbloat" (yes, it's easy to make
backup of db by code but then current db should be closed before making
backup, and when reopened within MS Access IDE it could run autoexec macro
or start-up form, yes we can temporarily block them but then we will be
changing source db anyway - let's not do that for now...)

As I noted in one of the posting in this thread, quite some time ago in 1999
I have been involved in a project called "Application Manager", which did
many "tricks" with "shuffling" MS Access objects between a set of databases,
setting references, (re)creating user defined properties, injecting
"plumbing code", packing all stuff as InstallShield/SageKey setups etc.etc.

All that can be done but it takes time ("Application Manager" took almost
three months fulltime) therefore let's (for now) follow KISS principle to
not "sink in the implementation details" - I suppose "lightweight" approach
should work rather well for most of the real life cases (as William noted),
there should be just one option added probably to make tables'
backup/restore option selectable before export/import - then "lightweight"
approach will also work with the databases with relationships.

The next step could be to make it working for db with relationships - and
there could be at least two ways to do that:

- 1. from a set of existing relationships get (a) data dropping and (b) data
importing sequence and use (a) to drop all tables' data after they are
exported into text files, and use (b) to import all data from the tables;
- 2. Save tables' data as text, save Relationships definition, drop all
relations, import data from text, recreate relations. 

When that is working saving/recreation of references can be added etc...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

<<< snip >>>



From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Sun Feb 14 10:39:27 2010
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:39:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
Message-ID: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey All

I have spent the last couple of days looking all kinds of code for 
EMailing (COD, STMP etc.) and third party products, (Blat etc. currently 
looking at Total Access EMailer). Does anyone have any suggestions on 
what route to go, to send EMails with attachments from an Access 
application. I do not want to muck around on the user's machine 
(basically stay away from their registry, no other installs other than 
the Access application). Basically a no brainer for the user (enter your 
user ID but no enter your STMP server address/ID etc.).  Orrrrrrrr.....I 
am totally off base on this one and there is no easy simple solution.

Thanks




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sun Feb 14 15:51:46 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 00:51:46 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>	<4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>	<004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>	<4b76b28e.181!
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	<4b77d12f.1701d00a.7e20.01fd@mx.google.com> 
Message-ID: <006901caadbf$e8abc350$ba0349f0$@spb.ru>

Hi Max et al,

Just wanted to inform that I made in principle an Export/Import add-in using
Add-In Express, and the Access.PowerTools.Add-In framework code I published
earlier today.

I have currently tested setup and export part with Access 2007, and it
worked OK.
Although there is one issue to solve tomorrow: Add-In Express's PIA for MS
Access does not have .ExportXml and .ImportXml methods for
Access.Application object - so I will have to implement it using late
binding, and note that exporting tables to XML/importing back from XML will
work only for MS Access versions 2003, 2007 and 2010. Or was Xml
Export/Import was originally introduced in MS Access XP? Then XML
export/import will also work for MS Access XP.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET

Hi Max et al,

I have made quite some C# coding to implement "EatBloat" (Export/Import)
using .NET.
Below you can find download link for the sources.
As you can find this is a set of projects, which are ready to be "plugged"
to a COM Add-In whatever way you will develop it using Add-In Express or
not. There is no any Add-In Express refs/sources there yet - so the
published stuff can be used freely.

Current status is that the export of Access db objects and data into
text/xml files, and import back/restore into a fresh MS Access db worked
well in Automation mode. Next step will be to use this coding with Add-In
Express to make Access version independent add-in.

Please ask any questions as this is a rather advanced stuff.
Please give me time to reply as I have to do other work for money in
parallel.
I'd prefer to keep this thread here as it's related to MS Access Add-In(s)
development using modern development tools to automate routine everyday MS
Access developers' work by developing different plug-ins.
As you can find the published sources were developed using mainly Test
Driven Development (TDD) approach - that allowed me to make that coding
relatively quick without any debugging sessions, and ready to be hosted in
an Access Add-in - agile practice in action...

I have got "christened" this tool as "Access.PowerTools.[Add-In]".

The stuff was developed using VS2008 SP1 on Vista Ultimate with MS Office
2007 (one project from the set is currently Access 2007 (12) dependent - it
uses Access Primary Interop Assembly v.12. There is also reference tp DAO
2.6 in the same project. The Add-In which will be developed further using
Add-In Express will not have these references/dependencies.)

Look http://northwind.codeplex.com/releases/view/26600 

for Access.PowerTools.Code.100214.zip
http://northwind.codeplex.com/releases/view/26600#DownloadId=106137 

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create a
NEW DB and populate with objects.

Thanks Shamil,

I look forward to your development.

In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:

                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"

should it be:

                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"

Max

<<< snip >>>
 

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From Darryl.Collins at anz.com  Sun Feb 14 16:14:38 2010
From: Darryl.Collins at anz.com (Collins, Darryl)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:14:38 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
In-Reply-To: <5AB89150CD7643149A397401EE4936B5@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E8101688E7E@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>


The only app worth keeping (IMHO) is Outlook 2007 from the office 2007
suite.  Am hoping Office 2010 is better....  Hard to imagine it being
worse...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, 12 February 2010 1:07 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New poll

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/?p=2635&alertspromo=100907&ta
g=nl.rSINGLE

I asked which 2007 application you'd like to downgrade to 2003 -- Access
is winning.

Susan H. 

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From Darryl.Collins at anz.com  Sun Feb 14 16:16:04 2010
From: Darryl.Collins at anz.com (Collins, Darryl)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:16:04 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
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After work drinks Martin?  ;)  *hic*... 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin
Sent: Friday, 12 February 2010 7:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll

Been using Office 14 for some time now. 2007 is gine. Before msot peopel
even knew it was ther (<:

Martin


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Feb 14 16:37:42 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:37:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
In-Reply-To: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E8101688E7F@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
References: <7d60f23a1002111236i3bc9c39y22bdbf369e87c963@mail.gmail.com>
	<6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E8101688E7F@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
Message-ID: <6F11E6C2DD164B3EB83D17895E1D376D@HAL9005>

His spel chequer broke a few years back.  

R
 

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Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll


After work drinks Martin?  ;)  *hic*... 

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll

Been using Office 14 for some time now. 2007 is gine. Before msot peopel
even knew it was ther (<:

Martin


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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Feb 15 03:32:05 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:32:05 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <4b77d12f.1701d00a.7e20.01fd@mx.google.com>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>	<4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>	<004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>	<4b76b28e.181!
	!	8	d00a.09bc.6694@mx
	.g	oo	g	le.com>	<004b01caacbe$e2540000$a6fc0000$@spb.ru>	<4b76c2ea.1701d00a.7598.7836@mx.google.com>	<004c01caacc6$a3c8fa40$eb5aeec0$@spb.ru>	<4b775f79.0702d00a.3a66.1f42@mx.google.com>	<005801caad58$a2ecb6b0$e8c62410$@spb.ru>
	<4b77d12f.1701d00a.7e20.01fd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <007601caae21$be7605c0$3b621140$@spb.ru>

Hi Max, William, whoever else who follows this thread et al,

I'm wrapping Add-In setup and I'm testing it here - so far so good - almost
all works fine - I have just found one issue:

- .ImportXml does create tables structure OK but doesn't import data nor
when used in C# Automation mode, nor when running within COM-Add-In. I have
tried both .ImportXMl options - structure and data or append data...

Is it a known bug/feature? (when running .ImportXml of the same file from
within VBA it works OK).

I'm currently using MS Access 2007.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create a
NEW DB and populate with objects.

Thanks Shamil,

I look forward to your development.

In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:

                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"

should it be:

                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"

Max

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 04:53:05 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:53:05 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <007601caae21$be7605c0$3b621140$@spb.ru>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>	<4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>	<004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>	<4b76b28e.181!	!	8	d00a.09bc.6694@mx
	.g	oo	g	le.com>	<004b01caacbe$e2540000$a6fc0000$@spb.ru>	<4b76c2ea.1701d00a.7598.7836@mx.google.com>	<004c01caacc6$a3c8fa40$eb5aeec0$@spb.ru>	<4b775f79.0702d00a.3a66.1f42@mx.google.com>	<005801caad58$a2ecb6b0$e8c62410$@spb.ru>	<4b77d12f.1701d00a.7e20.01fd@mx.google.com>
	<007601caae21$be7605c0$3b621140$@spb.ru>
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Hi Shamil,

If I export with this...(showing variables as example)

app.ExportXML ObjectType:=acExportTable, _
DataSource:=strObj, _
DataTarget:=strTarget & strObj & ".xml", _
SchemaTarget:=strObj & "Schema.xml"

I can retrieve with this...(showing actual names as  example)

app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\Accounts.xml",
acStructureAndData
app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\AccountTypes.xml",
acStructureAndData

BUT if there  is any errors then  it does not write to the app.  This means
when I was testing the above and getting errors as I tested it, no tables
were pulled in.  Once  there were no errors then all tables came in.

HTH


Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 15 February 2010 09:32
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Hi Max, William, whoever else who follows this thread et al,

I'm wrapping Add-In setup and I'm testing it here - so far so good - almost
all works fine - I have just found one issue:

- .ImportXml does create tables structure OK but doesn't import data nor
when used in C# Automation mode, nor when running within COM-Add-In. I have
tried both .ImportXMl options - structure and data or append data...

Is it a known bug/feature? (when running .ImportXml of the same file from
within VBA it works OK).

I'm currently using MS Access 2007.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create a
NEW DB and populate with objects.

Thanks Shamil,

I look forward to your development.

In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:

                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"

should it be:

                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"

Max

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Feb 15 05:27:36 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:27:36 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <4b7927b7.0508d00a.3ffd.ffffbb37@mx.google.com>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>	<4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>	<004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>	<4b76b28e.181!
	!	!	8	d00a.09bc.6694@
	mx	.g	oo	g	le.com>	<004b01caacbe$e2540000$a6fc0000$@spb.ru>	<4b76c2ea.1701d00a.7598.7836@mx.google.com>	<004c01caacc6$a3c8fa40$eb5aeec0$@spb.ru>	<4b775f79.0702d00a.3a66.1f42@mx.google.com>	<005801caad58$a2ecb6b0$e8c62410$@spb.ru>	<4b77d12f.1701d00a.7e20.01fd@mx.google.com>	<007601caae21$be7605c0$3b621140$@spb.ru>
	<4b7927b7.0508d00a.3ffd.ffffbb37@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <007a01caae31$e12613c0$a3723b40$@spb.ru>

Thank you, Max,

This is probably bug/feature I've got met with: I have made a (temp?)
workaround to export into xml + schema + into delimited text, and then when
importing back add-in will check if there were no any data imported by
XmlImport then add-in will import delimited text. It works already.

I'm making some simple GUI - and then it will be ready to deliver for
testing this evening...

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Hi Shamil,

If I export with this...(showing variables as example)

app.ExportXML ObjectType:=acExportTable, _
DataSource:=strObj, _
DataTarget:=strTarget & strObj & ".xml", _
SchemaTarget:=strObj & "Schema.xml"

I can retrieve with this...(showing actual names as  example)

app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\Accounts.xml",
acStructureAndData
app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\AccountTypes.xml",
acStructureAndData

BUT if there  is any errors then  it does not write to the app.  This means
when I was testing the above and getting errors as I tested it, no tables
were pulled in.  Once  there were no errors then all tables came in.

HTH


Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 15 February 2010 09:32
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Hi Max, William, whoever else who follows this thread et al,

I'm wrapping Add-In setup and I'm testing it here - so far so good - almost
all works fine - I have just found one issue:

- .ImportXml does create tables structure OK but doesn't import data nor
when used in C# Automation mode, nor when running within COM-Add-In. I have
tried both .ImportXMl options - structure and data or append data...

Is it a known bug/feature? (when running .ImportXml of the same file from
within VBA it works OK).

I'm currently using MS Access 2007.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create a
NEW DB and populate with objects.

Thanks Shamil,

I look forward to your development.

In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:

                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"

should it be:

                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"

Max

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Feb 15 09:14:27 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:14:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
In-Reply-To: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev>

Tony

...I currently use TAE/A2k3 with a modified user form in the runtime 
installs ...it works well and once you look at what FMS has done, coding a 
user friendly form for your app is pretty easy ...as with all FMS tools, its 
relatively expensive and heavy code but its been dead reliable for more than 
a year now with the users routinely sending 500+ e-mails/attachments w/o any 
assistance required.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tony Septav" <iggy at nanaimo.ark.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:39 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations

> Hey All
>
> I have spent the last couple of days looking all kinds of code for
> EMailing (COD, STMP etc.) and third party products, (Blat etc. currently
> looking at Total Access EMailer). Does anyone have any suggestions on
> what route to go, to send EMails with attachments from an Access
> application. I do not want to muck around on the user's machine
> (basically stay away from their registry, no other installs other than
> the Access application). Basically a no brainer for the user (enter your
> user ID but no enter your STMP server address/ID etc.).  Orrrrrrrr.....I
> am totally off base on this one and there is no easy simple solution.
>
> Thanks
>
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Feb 15 09:29:01 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:29:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 18
In-Reply-To: <4b770974.1c07d00a.7c0c.ffffced0@mx.google.com>
References: <mailman.40164.1266074357.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><7c7841601002131118k74523fe5m3fd2831f88cd32c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4b770974.1c07d00a.7c0c.ffffced0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <C139CDB2658240ED83C6D383778DCE09@jislaptopdev>

Max

...EatBloat as currently written does not get rid of the lifetime max 
controls limit

...its not been a major limitation to me since I've only run into it once in 
almost two decades ...until now where I'm working on a form that requires 
hundreds of controls ...I've hit the limit twice in the past weeks and it's 
a rpita to rebuild the form from scratch

...but Ken's major point is that his method gets rid of significantly more 
bloat/problems than the "simple" text export/import approach is highly 
relevant if it proved out in testing

...as you well know, I've been very happy with the results I get from your 
"simple" approach but I'd be all ears if Shamil was able to take this to the 
next level with Ken's approach ...BUT only after we get the add-in with the 
"simple" approach first :)

William ...breathlessly awaiting Shamils add-in

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:19 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 18

> Ken,
> That sound fantastic,....but!
> (there is always a but,isn't there)
> If the "simple" solution works why do the difficult one?  The result is 
> the
> same.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: 13 February 2010 19:18
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 18
>
>>
>> Shamil Salakhetdinov:
>> <<<
>> The rebuild was an extreme solution for
>> an extreme problem, but it worked.
>> >>>
>> Hi Ken --
>>
>> Was that work code by code or manually?
>>
>
>
> It is a VBA code solution. The code:
> * Copies all Access objects from a source Access database to a
> destination.
> * It recursively iterates the AllForms collection, creating all subform
> dependencies before the parent form.
> * Uses a plug-in mechanism to handle various object creation methods,
> including recreate from scratch, SaveAsText/LoadFromText, and
> TransferDatabase. ImportXML and ExportXML could easily be added.
> * Has special handling for embedded ActiveX controls for which you have no
> license.
> * Includes a restart function --- if the process errors out, you can
> restart after the last good object that was copied
>
> For each form, the recreate function loads the source form, and:
> * Creates a new, blank destination form
> * Creates the sections, copying all properties, including sorting/grouping
> * Orders all controls and tab page controls by tab order
> * Iterates through all controls, creating them in proper order in the
> destination. Subcontrols are created under their parents
> * Iterates through the Properties collection of each control, copying them
> to the destination control. This includes all hidden/outdated properties,
> and properties that require custom handling.
> * Iterates through the controls in reverse z-order, sending controls to
> front to so they render properly
>
> It handles reports in a similar fashion. Modules and references are copied
> by using VBA IDE methods.
>
> It can copy/recreate about 98% of an Access database successfully. There
> remains a lot of work to do on the code.
>
> -Ken
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Feb 15 09:30:28 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:30:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
In-Reply-To: <6F11E6C2DD164B3EB83D17895E1D376D@HAL9005>
References: <7d60f23a1002111236i3bc9c39y22bdbf369e87c963@mail.gmail.com><6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E8101688E7F@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
	<6F11E6C2DD164B3EB83D17895E1D376D@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <E83C3644991747FB91CC6CDCB68B92C4@jislaptopdev>

...what, you guys can't read Gaelic?

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:37 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll

> His spel chequer broke a few years back.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Collins, Darryl
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll
>
>
> After work drinks Martin?  ;)  *hic*...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin
> Sent: Friday, 12 February 2010 7:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll
>
> Been using Office 14 for some time now. 2007 is gine. Before msot peopel
> even knew it was ther (<:
>
> Martin
>
>
> "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is, unless
> otherwise stated, confidential,  may contain copyright material and is for
> the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the Communication 
> in
> error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete the
> Communication and the return e-mail, and do not read, copy, retransmit or
> otherwise deal with it. Any views expressed in the Communication are those
> of the individual sender only, unless expressly stated to be those of
> Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited ABN 11 005 357 522, or any
> of its related entities including ANZ National Bank Limited (together
> "ANZ"). ANZ does not accept liability in connection with the integrity of 
> or
> errors in the Communication, computer virus, data corruption, interference
> or delay arising from or in respect of the Communication."
>
> --
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Feb 15 09:40:23 2010
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:40:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
In-Reply-To: <E83C3644991747FB91CC6CDCB68B92C4@jislaptopdev>
References: <7d60f23a1002111236i3bc9c39y22bdbf369e87c963@mail.gmail.com><6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E8101688E7F@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
	<6F11E6C2DD164B3EB83D17895E1D376D@HAL9005>,
	<E83C3644991747FB91CC6CDCB68B92C4@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295467E274187@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

HA (<:

You think you guys could read my emails after all these years!

Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman [wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com]
Sent: 15 February 2010 15:30
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll

...what, you guys can't read Gaelic?

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:37 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll

> His spel chequer broke a few years back.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Collins, Darryl
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll
>
>
> After work drinks Martin?  ;)  *hic*...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin
> Sent: Friday, 12 February 2010 7:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll
>
> Been using Office 14 for some time now. 2007 is gine. Before msot peopel
> even knew it was ther (<:
>
> Martin
>
>
> "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is, unless
> otherwise stated, confidential,  may contain copyright material and is for
> the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the Communication
> in
> error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete the
> Communication and the return e-mail, and do not read, copy, retransmit or
> otherwise deal with it. Any views expressed in the Communication are those
> of the individual sender only, unless expressly stated to be those of
> Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited ABN 11 005 357 522, or any
> of its related entities including ANZ National Bank Limited (together
> "ANZ"). ANZ does not accept liability in connection with the integrity of
> or
> errors in the Communication, computer virus, data corruption, interference
> or delay arising from or in respect of the Communication."
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Feb 15 09:58:38 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:58:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New poll
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295467E274187@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <7d60f23a1002111236i3bc9c39y22bdbf369e87c963@mail.gmail.com><6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E8101688E7F@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com><6F11E6C2DD164B3EB83D17895E1D376D@HAL9005>,
	<E83C3644991747FB91CC6CDCB68B92C4@jislaptopdev>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295467E274187@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <2BA776D939EA4547B2409AE73BCE0AD4@HAL9005>

No prob.  Shamil wrote us some code for that.

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 7:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll

HA (<:

You think you guys could read my emails after all these years!

Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
[wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com]
Sent: 15 February 2010 15:30
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll

...what, you guys can't read Gaelic?

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:37 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll

> His spel chequer broke a few years back.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Collins, 
> Darryl
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll
>
>
> After work drinks Martin?  ;)  *hic*...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin
> Sent: Friday, 12 February 2010 7:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll
>
> Been using Office 14 for some time now. 2007 is gine. Before msot 
> peopel even knew it was ther (<:
>
> Martin
>
>
> "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is, 
> unless otherwise stated, confidential,  may contain copyright material 
> and is for the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the 
> Communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return 
> e-mail, delete the Communication and the return e-mail, and do not 
> read, copy, retransmit or otherwise deal with it. Any views expressed 
> in the Communication are those of the individual sender only, unless 
> expressly stated to be those of Australia and New Zealand Banking 
> Group Limited ABN 11 005 357 522, or any of its related entities 
> including ANZ National Bank Limited (together "ANZ"). ANZ does not 
> accept liability in connection with the integrity of or errors in the 
> Communication, computer virus, data corruption, interference or delay 
> arising from or in respect of the Communication."
>
> --
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Feb 15 10:00:37 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:00:37 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <4b7927b7.0508d00a.3ffd.ffffbb37@mx.google.com>
References: <000001caa904$5a33d4b0$0e9b7e10$@spb.ru><7560E2D6C37C4F0E806DF99A201B490C@jislaptopdev>	<000101caa9b0$90d3ac50$b27b04f0$@spb.ru><A0FC9DCF87DC471FA130702D262ACA95@jislaptopdev>	<000001caa9be$c5a25130$50e6f390$@spb.ru><F1FBB89196194C198047797AC4E30E91@jislaptopdev>	<001301caaa1d$45c5b9c0$d1512d40$@spb.ru><6328B968DFB342CE92BC900BBDD56D5C@jislaptopdev>	<000701caaa4a$d9e9cb00$8dbd6100$@spb.ru><4D31497DA269415093B1928581DC78A5@jislaptopdev>	<000901caaa73$555e12f0$001a38d0$@spb.ru><38164573532F4439BD067C74695269F2@danwaters><000a01caaa7b$d362b040$7a2810c0$@spb.ru>	<7712A5250BA7464E8D8607E40D6AE333@danwaters><860389127BAF4B318318F1DA4444B074@jislaptopdev>	<4b7323b1.0702d00a.722b.5a88@mx.google.com>	<F1326D5929E145FFA1645487BA9EAFD4@jislaptopdev>	<000d01caab3d$dabdd870$90398950$@spb.ru>	<4b7523f5.1818d00a.12c5.3c90@mx.google.com>	<001b01caac20$879aa3b0$96cfeb10$@spb.ru>	<4b76817f.0707d00a.3003.ffff96b1@mx.google.com>	<004501caacb1$5992c420$0cb84c60$@spb.ru>	<4b76b28e.181!
	!	!	8	d00a.09bc.6694@
	mx	.g	oo	g	le.com>	<004b01caacbe$e2540000$a6fc0000$@spb.ru>	<4b76c2ea.1701d00a.7598.7836@mx.google.com>	<004c01caacc6$a3c8fa40$eb5aeec0$@spb.ru>	<4b775f79.0702d00a.3a66.1f42@mx.google.com>	<005801caad58$a2ecb6b0$e8c62410$@spb.ru>	<4b77d12f.1701d00a.7e20.01fd@mx.google.com>	<007601caae21$be7605c0$3b621140$@spb.ru>
	<4b7927b7.0508d00a.3ffd.ffffbb37@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <008401caae58$0556cc50$100464f0$@spb.ru>

Hi Max, William et al,

Here it's - "Access PowerTools Add-in v.0.0.1" setup:

http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215.zip
(~30MB)
http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215_Small.zip
(~2MB)

The first one has dotNetFx inside, the second one doesn't.
For a system with .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 installed second one (small) setup
should work fine.
Test databases are included in both archives in \TestDatabases subfolder.

When installed add-in adds small "PowerTools" CommandBar with three text
buttons for Access 2000 - 2003, and a small "PowerTools" ribbon tab for
Access 2007 (2010).
For Access 2000 - 2003 commandbar is visible only if a db is opened.
For MS Access 2007 Ribbon is visible even without any databases opened...

As I noted in my earlier postings here this version is just a proof of
concept - and it seems to be a good enough proof.

Please read short readme in the archive before running setup.

I'm "all ears" now listening for your, Max, William's and all AccessD
community feedback - all and every comments are very welcome...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Hi Shamil,

If I export with this...(showing variables as example)

app.ExportXML ObjectType:=acExportTable, _
DataSource:=strObj, _
DataTarget:=strTarget & strObj & ".xml", _
SchemaTarget:=strObj & "Schema.xml"

I can retrieve with this...(showing actual names as  example)

app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\Accounts.xml",
acStructureAndData
app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\AccountTypes.xml",
acStructureAndData

BUT if there  is any errors then  it does not write to the app.  This means
when I was testing the above and getting errors as I tested it, no tables
were pulled in.  Once  there were no errors then all tables came in.

HTH


Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 15 February 2010 09:32
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Hi Max, William, whoever else who follows this thread et al,

I'm wrapping Add-In setup and I'm testing it here - so far so good - almost
all works fine - I have just found one issue:

- .ImportXml does create tables structure OK but doesn't import data nor
when used in C# Automation mode, nor when running within COM-Add-In. I have
tried both .ImportXMl options - structure and data or append data...

Is it a known bug/feature? (when running .ImportXml of the same file from
within VBA it works OK).

I'm currently using MS Access 2007.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create a
NEW DB and populate with objects.

Thanks Shamil,

I look forward to your development.

In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:

                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"

should it be:

                app.ExportXML acTable, _
                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"

Max

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Feb 15 10:00:37 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:00:37 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 18
In-Reply-To: <C139CDB2658240ED83C6D383778DCE09@jislaptopdev>
References: <mailman.40164.1266074357.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><7c7841601002131118k74523fe5m3fd2831f88cd32c3@mail.gmail.com>	<4b770974.1c07d00a.7c0c.ffffced0@mx.google.com>
	<C139CDB2658240ED83C6D383778DCE09@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <008801caae58$06b041d0$1410c570$@spb.ru>

Hi William et al --

Please read my latest today's posting in "Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office
and .NET" thread announcing release of "Access PowerTools Add-in v.0.0.1"...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 18

Max

...EatBloat as currently written does not get rid of the lifetime max 
controls limit

...its not been a major limitation to me since I've only run into it once in

almost two decades ...until now where I'm working on a form that requires 
hundreds of controls ...I've hit the limit twice in the past weeks and it's 
a rpita to rebuild the form from scratch

...but Ken's major point is that his method gets rid of significantly more 
bloat/problems than the "simple" text export/import approach is highly 
relevant if it proved out in testing

...as you well know, I've been very happy with the results I get from your 
"simple" approach but I'd be all ears if Shamil was able to take this to the

next level with Ken's approach ...BUT only after we get the add-in with the 
"simple" approach first :)

William ...breathlessly awaiting Shamils add-in

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:19 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 18

> Ken,
> That sound fantastic,....but!
> (there is always a but,isn't there)
> If the "simple" solution works why do the difficult one?  The result is 
> the
> same.
>
> Max
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Feb 15 10:05:46 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:05:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
Message-ID: <sb797f09.000@cactus.dk>

Hi Tony

If you don't want to install anything, I can recommend using the native Windows CDO component which is installed by default on any newer Windows.
Code is a bit long-winded but very flexible. Also, it can mail to either an in-house Exchange server directly or to a normal SMTP server.
Here's an example that via SMTP emails one attachment - more can be added quite easily:

<code>
  Dim msg As New CDO.Message

  With msg
    With .Fields
      ' Custom X-Mailer info.
      .Item(cdoXMailer) = "My Mailer V2.0"
      .Update
    End With
    With .Configuration.Fields
      .Item(cdoSMTPAuthenticate) = cdoAnonymous   'cdoBasic
      ' .Item(cdoSendUserName) = "myusername"
      ' .Item(cdoSendPassword) = "mypassword"
      .Item(cdoSendUsingMethod) = cdoSendUsingPort
      .Item(cdoSMTPServer) = "smtp.yourisp.com"
      .Item(cdoSMTPConnectionTimeout) = 10
      .Item(cdoSMTPServerPort) = 25
      .Update
    End With
    .Organization = "myorganisation.org"
    .To = "receiver at example.com"
    .Subject = "Example to Example with attachment"
    .TextBody = "Here you are!"
    .From = "me at mydomain.com"
    .AddAttachment ("c:\temp\report.pdf")
    .Send
  End With
        
  Set msg = Nothing
</code>

And the CDO component is very fast - at zero cost.

/gustav


>>> iggy at nanaimo.ark.com 14-02-2010 17:39 >>>
Hey All

I have spent the last couple of days looking all kinds of code for 
EMailing (COD, STMP etc.) and third party products, (Blat etc. currently 
looking at Total Access EMailer). Does anyone have any suggestions on 
what route to go, to send EMails with attachments from an Access 
application. I do not want to muck around on the user's machine 
(basically stay away from their registry, no other installs other than 
the Access application). Basically a no brainer for the user (enter your 
user ID but no enter your STMP server address/ID etc.).  Orrrrrrrr.....I 
am totally off base on this one and there is no easy simple solution.

Thanks




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 10:08:14 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:08:14 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
In-Reply-To: <sb797f09.000@cactus.dk>
References: <sb797f09.000@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4b797186.0338560a.7153.ffff9d95@mx.google.com>

Recommended. I have been  using it  for years with no  problems once set up.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 15 February 2010 16:06
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] EMail recommendations

Hi Tony

If you don't want to install anything, I can recommend using the native
Windows CDO component which is installed by default on any newer Windows.
Code is a bit long-winded but very flexible. Also, it can mail to either an
in-house Exchange server directly or to a normal SMTP server.
Here's an example that via SMTP emails one attachment - more can be added
quite easily:

<code>
  Dim msg As New CDO.Message

  With msg
    With .Fields
      ' Custom X-Mailer info.
      .Item(cdoXMailer) = "My Mailer V2.0"
      .Update
    End With
    With .Configuration.Fields
      .Item(cdoSMTPAuthenticate) = cdoAnonymous   'cdoBasic
      ' .Item(cdoSendUserName) = "myusername"
      ' .Item(cdoSendPassword) = "mypassword"
      .Item(cdoSendUsingMethod) = cdoSendUsingPort
      .Item(cdoSMTPServer) = "smtp.yourisp.com"
      .Item(cdoSMTPConnectionTimeout) = 10
      .Item(cdoSMTPServerPort) = 25
      .Update
    End With
    .Organization = "myorganisation.org"
    .To = "receiver at example.com"
    .Subject = "Example to Example with attachment"
    .TextBody = "Here you are!"
    .From = "me at mydomain.com"
    .AddAttachment ("c:\temp\report.pdf")
    .Send
  End With
        
  Set msg = Nothing
</code>

And the CDO component is very fast - at zero cost.

/gustav


>>> iggy at nanaimo.ark.com 14-02-2010 17:39 >>>
Hey All

I have spent the last couple of days looking all kinds of code for 
EMailing (COD, STMP etc.) and third party products, (Blat etc. currently 
looking at Total Access EMailer). Does anyone have any suggestions on 
what route to go, to send EMails with attachments from an Access 
application. I do not want to muck around on the user's machine 
(basically stay away from their registry, no other installs other than 
the Access application). Basically a no brainer for the user (enter your 
user ID but no enter your STMP server address/ID etc.).  Orrrrrrrr.....I 
am totally off base on this one and there is no easy simple solution.

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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Mon Feb 15 09:45:33 2010
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:45:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
In-Reply-To: <06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com>
	<06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4B796C1D.1080405@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey William
Thanks, I am kind of leaning that way.
As to cost, everyone is on a tight budget these days, but  I figure that 
the time I would spend putting something together and testing it is 
probably worth it (already spent 2 days doing research).
One question, is incorporating it into your application transparent, 
without having to fool around with anything on the user's end?

William Hindman wrote:

>Tony
>
>...I currently use TAE/A2k3 with a modified user form in the runtime 
>installs ...it works well and once you look at what FMS has done, coding a 
>user friendly form for your app is pretty easy ...as with all FMS tools, its 
>relatively expensive and heavy code but its been dead reliable for more than 
>a year now with the users routinely sending 500+ e-mails/attachments w/o any 
>assistance required.
>
>William
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Tony Septav" <iggy at nanaimo.ark.com>
>Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:39 AM
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
>
>  
>
>>Hey All
>>
>>I have spent the last couple of days looking all kinds of code for
>>EMailing (COD, STMP etc.) and third party products, (Blat etc. currently
>>looking at Total Access EMailer). Does anyone have any suggestions on
>>what route to go, to send EMails with attachments from an Access
>>application. I do not want to muck around on the user's machine
>>(basically stay away from their registry, no other installs other than
>>the Access application). Basically a no brainer for the user (enter your
>>user ID but no enter your STMP server address/ID etc.).  Orrrrrrrr.....I
>>am totally off base on this one and there is no easy simple solution.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
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>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Feb 15 10:45:03 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:45:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
In-Reply-To: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <EB9570E983664C87B306C26C5F6D0807@XPS>

Tony,

  I've used this code:

http://www.freevbcode.com/ShowCode.Asp?ID=109

  which sends e-mail directly via SMTP server. Although it is marked for
VB6, it works fine in VBA unmodified.

  As for the SMTP server IP, you can often discover the IP by doing a poll
of the MX records for the DNS entry.  There is some code in there for that
as well.

  From my viewpoint, that's about as simple as it gets; no client
dependencies, one .DLL to drop in the app directory, and just discovering
the SMTP server IP.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations

Hey All

I have spent the last couple of days looking all kinds of code for 
EMailing (COD, STMP etc.) and third party products, (Blat etc. currently 
looking at Total Access EMailer). Does anyone have any suggestions on 
what route to go, to send EMails with attachments from an Access 
application. I do not want to muck around on the user's machine 
(basically stay away from their registry, no other installs other than 
the Access application). Basically a no brainer for the user (enter your 
user ID but no enter your STMP server address/ID etc.).  Orrrrrrrr.....I 
am totally off base on this one and there is no easy simple solution.

Thanks


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Feb 15 10:46:59 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:46:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
In-Reply-To: <sb797f09.000@cactus.dk>
References: <sb797f09.000@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CB9EDFC0D30B45D080D0BD54080E0031@XPS>



  Only gotcha is that there are subtle difference in the CDO libs (there is
more then one in use), although I believe most of that was with earlier OS's
(NT4).

Jim.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] EMail recommendations

Hi Tony

If you don't want to install anything, I can recommend using the native
Windows CDO component which is installed by default on any newer Windows.
Code is a bit long-winded but very flexible. Also, it can mail to either an
in-house Exchange server directly or to a normal SMTP server.
Here's an example that via SMTP emails one attachment - more can be added
quite easily:

<code>
  Dim msg As New CDO.Message

  With msg
    With .Fields
      ' Custom X-Mailer info.
      .Item(cdoXMailer) = "My Mailer V2.0"
      .Update
    End With
    With .Configuration.Fields
      .Item(cdoSMTPAuthenticate) = cdoAnonymous   'cdoBasic
      ' .Item(cdoSendUserName) = "myusername"
      ' .Item(cdoSendPassword) = "mypassword"
      .Item(cdoSendUsingMethod) = cdoSendUsingPort
      .Item(cdoSMTPServer) = "smtp.yourisp.com"
      .Item(cdoSMTPConnectionTimeout) = 10
      .Item(cdoSMTPServerPort) = 25
      .Update
    End With
    .Organization = "myorganisation.org"
    .To = "receiver at example.com"
    .Subject = "Example to Example with attachment"
    .TextBody = "Here you are!"
    .From = "me at mydomain.com"
    .AddAttachment ("c:\temp\report.pdf")
    .Send
  End With
        
  Set msg = Nothing
</code>

And the CDO component is very fast - at zero cost.

/gustav


>>> iggy at nanaimo.ark.com 14-02-2010 17:39 >>>
Hey All

I have spent the last couple of days looking all kinds of code for 
EMailing (COD, STMP etc.) and third party products, (Blat etc. currently 
looking at Total Access EMailer). Does anyone have any suggestions on 
what route to go, to send EMails with attachments from an Access 
application. I do not want to muck around on the user's machine 
(basically stay away from their registry, no other installs other than 
the Access application). Basically a no brainer for the user (enter your 
user ID but no enter your STMP server address/ID etc.).  Orrrrrrrr.....I 
am totally off base on this one and there is no easy simple solution.

Thanks


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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Mon Feb 15 10:47:36 2010
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:47:36 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
In-Reply-To: <sb797f09.000@cactus.dk>
References: <sb797f09.000@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4B797AA8.3030103@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey Gustav
I have to admit I am a bit of a ditz when it comes to understanding all 
about Email protocols. In your example would the user (me included) need 
to know their STMP server ID?


Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Tony
>
>If you don't want to install anything, I can recommend using the native Windows CDO component which is installed by default on any newer Windows.
>Code is a bit long-winded but very flexible. Also, it can mail to either an in-house Exchange server directly or to a normal SMTP server.
>Here's an example that via SMTP emails one attachment - more can be added quite easily:
>
><code>
>  Dim msg As New CDO.Message
>
>  With msg
>    With .Fields
>      ' Custom X-Mailer info.
>      .Item(cdoXMailer) = "My Mailer V2.0"
>      .Update
>    End With
>    With .Configuration.Fields
>      .Item(cdoSMTPAuthenticate) = cdoAnonymous   'cdoBasic
>      ' .Item(cdoSendUserName) = "myusername"
>      ' .Item(cdoSendPassword) = "mypassword"
>      .Item(cdoSendUsingMethod) = cdoSendUsingPort
>      .Item(cdoSMTPServer) = "smtp.yourisp.com"
>      .Item(cdoSMTPConnectionTimeout) = 10
>      .Item(cdoSMTPServerPort) = 25
>      .Update
>    End With
>    .Organization = "myorganisation.org"
>    .To = "receiver at example.com"
>    .Subject = "Example to Example with attachment"
>    .TextBody = "Here you are!"
>    .From = "me at mydomain.com"
>    .AddAttachment ("c:\temp\report.pdf")
>    .Send
>  End With
>        
>  Set msg = Nothing
></code>
>
>And the CDO component is very fast - at zero cost.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>>>iggy at nanaimo.ark.com 14-02-2010 17:39 >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>Hey All
>
>I have spent the last couple of days looking all kinds of code for 
>EMailing (COD, STMP etc.) and third party products, (Blat etc. currently 
>looking at Total Access EMailer). Does anyone have any suggestions on 
>what route to go, to send EMails with attachments from an Access 
>application. I do not want to muck around on the user's machine 
>(basically stay away from their registry, no other installs other than 
>the Access application). Basically a no brainer for the user (enter your 
>user ID but no enter your STMP server address/ID etc.).  Orrrrrrrr.....I 
>am totally off base on this one and there is no easy simple solution.
>
>Thanks
>
>
>  
>



From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 10:57:10 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:57:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1266170400.30449.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.0.1266170400.30449.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <7c7841601002150857j2cc0aecascafd15e4220338@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Max Wanadoo:
> Ken,
> That sound fantastic,....but! ...
> If the "simple" solution works why do the difficult one?  The result is the
> same.
>

Max:

Most emphatically NOT the same. The "simple" EatBloat solution didn't fix
our problems.

I've said this in several different ways, but I'll say it again:

SaveAsText/LoadFromText does NOT:
 a) Fix all kinds of bloat
 b) Reset the form lifetime control count limit

Our project had bloat that couldn't be fixed, and many complex forms that
were at the control count limit.

So, the more radical rebuild-from-scratch approach was used.

Trust me, we tried all less-costly methods of fixing our problem before
going this route.

-Ken


From pharold at proftesting.com  Mon Feb 15 11:12:40 2010
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:12:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
In-Reply-To: <EB9570E983664C87B306C26C5F6D0807@XPS>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com>
	<EB9570E983664C87B306C26C5F6D0807@XPS>
Message-ID: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B8A37EB@exchange.ptiorl.local>

 
If SMTP is blocked or turned off in the server the SMTP routine doesn't
work.  Usually with no indication that it isn't sending the email.

Perry 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] EMail recommendations

Tony,

  I've used this code:

http://www.freevbcode.com/ShowCode.Asp?ID=109

  which sends e-mail directly via SMTP server. Although it is marked for
VB6, it works fine in VBA unmodified.

  As for the SMTP server IP, you can often discover the IP by doing a
poll of the MX records for the DNS entry.  There is some code in there
for that as well.

  From my viewpoint, that's about as simple as it gets; no client
dependencies, one .DLL to drop in the app directory, and just
discovering the SMTP server IP.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations

Hey All

I have spent the last couple of days looking all kinds of code for
EMailing (COD, STMP etc.) and third party products, (Blat etc. currently
looking at Total Access EMailer). Does anyone have any suggestions on
what route to go, to send EMails with attachments from an Access
application. I do not want to muck around on the user's machine
(basically stay away from their registry, no other installs other than
the Access application). Basically a no brainer for the user (enter your
user ID but no enter your STMP server address/ID etc.).  Orrrrrrrr.....I
am totally off base on this one and there is no easy simple solution.

Thanks


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Feb 15 11:14:47 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:14:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
Message-ID: <sb798f1d.008@cactus.dk>

Hi Tony

Yes.
Now, you don't tell what your application is and what mail volume to expect, but one option we have used was to provide the name of one of our SMTP servers (users were sending mail to us only anyway) as the default (or only) option, and then use authentication which could be fixed in code when your server is used. 

You don't have an SMTP server? Well, you probably have, as all versions of Windows Server features an SMTP service which is piece of cake to "wake up" and configure. Resource consumption of this is very low and can - if you prefer a separate box - run on some outdated but reliable hardware. NT4 runs in 64 MB ram.

Jim is correct that CDO replaced CDONTS of NT4 - you probably don't have such users. If you have such or Win9x(!) users you should/must provide your own control or DLL.

As for the protocols, the only one in use for sending mail is SMTP which happens to be the simplest, in fact S stands for Simple. POP3 and IMAP are for retrieving mail.

/gustav


>>> iggy at nanaimo.ark.com 15-02-2010 17:47 >>>
Hey Gustav
I have to admit I am a bit of a ditz when it comes to understanding all 
about Email protocols. In your example would the user (me included) need 
to know their STMP server ID?


Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Tony
>
>If you don't want to install anything, I can recommend using the native Windows CDO component which is installed by default on any newer Windows.
>Code is a bit long-winded but very flexible. Also, it can mail to either an in-house Exchange server directly or to a normal SMTP server.
>Here's an example that via SMTP emails one attachment - more can be added quite easily:
>
><code>
>  Dim msg As New CDO.Message
>
>  With msg
>    With .Fields
>      ' Custom X-Mailer info.
>      .Item(cdoXMailer) = "My Mailer V2.0"
>      .Update
>    End With
>    With .Configuration.Fields
>      .Item(cdoSMTPAuthenticate) = cdoAnonymous   'cdoBasic
>      ' .Item(cdoSendUserName) = "myusername"
>      ' .Item(cdoSendPassword) = "mypassword"
>      .Item(cdoSendUsingMethod) = cdoSendUsingPort
>      .Item(cdoSMTPServer) = "smtp.yourisp.com"
>      .Item(cdoSMTPConnectionTimeout) = 10
>      .Item(cdoSMTPServerPort) = 25
>      .Update
>    End With
>    .Organization = "myorganisation.org"
>    .To = "receiver at example.com"
>    .Subject = "Example to Example with attachment"
>    .TextBody = "Here you are!"
>    .From = "me at mydomain.com"
>    .AddAttachment ("c:\temp\report.pdf")
>    .Send
>  End With
>        
>  Set msg = Nothing
></code>
>
>And the CDO component is very fast - at zero cost.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>>>iggy at nanaimo.ark.com 14-02-2010 17:39 >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>Hey All
>
>I have spent the last couple of days looking all kinds of code for 
>EMailing (COD, STMP etc.) and third party products, (Blat etc. currently 
>looking at Total Access EMailer). Does anyone have any suggestions on 
>what route to go, to send EMails with attachments from an Access 
>application. I do not want to muck around on the user's machine 
>(basically stay away from their registry, no other installs other than 
>the Access application). Basically a no brainer for the user (enter your 
>user ID but no enter your STMP server address/ID etc.).  Orrrrrrrr.....I 
>am totally off base on this one and there is no easy simple solution.
>
>Thanks




From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Mon Feb 15 11:30:15 2010
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:30:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] EMail Recommendations
Message-ID: <4B7984A7.20301@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey All
Thanks kindly to all who have responded. 
At the moment I am a little overwhelmed/confused as to what route to 
follow, but as usual I am totally amazed (guess after all this time I 
shouldn't be, but I am) at the depth of knowledge of the individuals on 
this list.
 
Thanks. More research to do.




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Feb 15 12:20:01 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:20:01 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002150857j2cc0aecascafd15e4220338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.0.1266170400.30449.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<7c7841601002150857j2cc0aecascafd15e4220338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009201caae6b$7e696310$7b3c2930$@spb.ru>

Hi Ken --

<<<
SaveAsText/LoadFromText does NOT:
b) Reset the form lifetime control count limit
>>>
Are you talking about ItemSuffix property value?

Version =20
VersionRequired =20
Checksum =97318316
Begin Form
    DividingLines = NotDefault
    AllowDesignChanges = NotDefault
    DefaultView =0
....
    ItemSuffix =1
...

I have just played with it (user backup/restore of Access.PowerTools.Add-In
+ manual edit of ItemSuffix back and force etc.) - it can be set to any
value for MS Access 2007 (Access 2003 db format)  forms- and MS Access
gracefully skips (increases) ItemSuffix value if is already occupied..

Am I missing something?
Do you mean there exists another counter?

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 7:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 20

>
> Max Wanadoo:
> Ken,
> That sound fantastic,....but! ...
> If the "simple" solution works why do the difficult one?  The result is
the
> same.
>

Max:

Most emphatically NOT the same. The "simple" EatBloat solution didn't fix
our problems.

I've said this in several different ways, but I'll say it again:

SaveAsText/LoadFromText does NOT:
 a) Fix all kinds of bloat
 b) Reset the form lifetime control count limit

Our project had bloat that couldn't be fixed, and many complex forms that
were at the control count limit.

So, the more radical rebuild-from-scratch approach was used.

Trust me, we tried all less-costly methods of fixing our problem before
going this route.

-Ken
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 12:39:17 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:39:17 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] EMail Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <4B7984A7.20301@nanaimo.ark.com>
References: <4B7984A7.20301@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <4b7994fa.1c07d00a.0623.ffffb8a2@mx.google.com>

Follow Gustav.  He will ALWAYS give you a good steer.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: 15 February 2010 17:30
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] EMail Recommendations

Hey All
Thanks kindly to all who have responded. 
At the moment I am a little overwhelmed/confused as to what route to 
follow, but as usual I am totally amazed (guess after all this time I 
shouldn't be, but I am) at the depth of knowledge of the individuals on 
this list.
 
Thanks. More research to do.


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 12:51:17 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:51:17 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
In-Reply-To: <4B797AA8.3030103@nanaimo.ark.com>
References: <sb797f09.000@cactus.dk> <4B797AA8.3030103@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <4b7997cb.0702d00a.3a6d.3a4d@mx.google.com>

Tony,

Just a suggestion.  Go to www.support.it-mate.co.uk
Do a search  for smtp finder.

If you install it, you can enter your client's email  address  in there  and
find their address.
Ton of other stuff on there as well.

Max
Ps. No recommendations  though, just for info.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: 15 February 2010 16:48
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] EMail recommendations

Hey Gustav
I have to admit I am a bit of a ditz when it comes to understanding all 
about Email protocols. In your example would the user (me included) need 
to know their STMP server ID?


Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Tony
>
>If you don't want to install anything, I can recommend using the native
Windows CDO component which is installed by default on any newer Windows.
>Code is a bit long-winded but very flexible. Also, it can mail to either an
in-house Exchange server directly or to a normal SMTP server.
>Here's an example that via SMTP emails one attachment - more can be added
quite easily:
>
><code>
>  Dim msg As New CDO.Message
>
>  With msg
>    With .Fields
>      ' Custom X-Mailer info.
>      .Item(cdoXMailer) = "My Mailer V2.0"
>      .Update
>    End With
>    With .Configuration.Fields
>      .Item(cdoSMTPAuthenticate) = cdoAnonymous   'cdoBasic
>      ' .Item(cdoSendUserName) = "myusername"
>      ' .Item(cdoSendPassword) = "mypassword"
>      .Item(cdoSendUsingMethod) = cdoSendUsingPort
>      .Item(cdoSMTPServer) = "smtp.yourisp.com"
>      .Item(cdoSMTPConnectionTimeout) = 10
>      .Item(cdoSMTPServerPort) = 25
>      .Update
>    End With
>    .Organization = "myorganisation.org"
>    .To = "receiver at example.com"
>    .Subject = "Example to Example with attachment"
>    .TextBody = "Here you are!"
>    .From = "me at mydomain.com"
>    .AddAttachment ("c:\temp\report.pdf")
>    .Send
>  End With
>        
>  Set msg = Nothing
></code>
>
>And the CDO component is very fast - at zero cost.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>>>iggy at nanaimo.ark.com 14-02-2010 17:39 >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>Hey All
>
>I have spent the last couple of days looking all kinds of code for 
>EMailing (COD, STMP etc.) and third party products, (Blat etc. currently 
>looking at Total Access EMailer). Does anyone have any suggestions on 
>what route to go, to send EMails with attachments from an Access 
>application. I do not want to muck around on the user's machine 
>(basically stay away from their registry, no other installs other than 
>the Access application). Basically a no brainer for the user (enter your 
>user ID but no enter your STMP server address/ID etc.).  Orrrrrrrr.....I 
>am totally off base on this one and there is no easy simple solution.
>
>Thanks
>
>
>  
>

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Feb 15 13:03:03 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:03:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <008401caae58$0556cc50$100464f0$@spb.ru>
References: <008401caae58$0556cc50$100464f0$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <E23469577DE14945BA34F5B8BC04C50F@jislaptopdev>

Shamil

...I've dl'd the small zip ...I'm at a client's right now so it will be 
tonight before I get a look at it ...let you know then how it went.

...whatever the results, many thanks for the time and skills you (and others 
here) have put into this already ...this is why I call AccessD home.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:00 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

> Hi Max, William et al,
>
> Here it's - "Access PowerTools Add-in v.0.0.1" setup:
>
> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215.zip
> (~30MB)
> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215_Small.zip
> (~2MB)
>
> The first one has dotNetFx inside, the second one doesn't.
> For a system with .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 installed second one (small) 
> setup
> should work fine.
> Test databases are included in both archives in \TestDatabases subfolder.
>
> When installed add-in adds small "PowerTools" CommandBar with three text
> buttons for Access 2000 - 2003, and a small "PowerTools" ribbon tab for
> Access 2007 (2010).
> For Access 2000 - 2003 commandbar is visible only if a db is opened.
> For MS Access 2007 Ribbon is visible even without any databases opened...
>
> As I noted in my earlier postings here this version is just a proof of
> concept - and it seems to be a good enough proof.
>
> Please read short readme in the archive before running setup.
>
> I'm "all ears" now listening for your, Max, William's and all AccessD
> community feedback - all and every comments are very welcome...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Shamil,
>
> If I export with this...(showing variables as example)
>
> app.ExportXML ObjectType:=acExportTable, _
> DataSource:=strObj, _
> DataTarget:=strTarget & strObj & ".xml", _
> SchemaTarget:=strObj & "Schema.xml"
>
> I can retrieve with this...(showing actual names as  example)
>
> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\Accounts.xml",
> acStructureAndData
> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\AccountTypes.xml",
> acStructureAndData
>
> BUT if there  is any errors then  it does not write to the app.  This 
> means
> when I was testing the above and getting errors as I tested it, no tables
> were pulled in.  Once  there were no errors then all tables came in.
>
> HTH
>
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 15 February 2010 09:32
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Max, William, whoever else who follows this thread et al,
>
> I'm wrapping Add-In setup and I'm testing it here - so far so good - 
> almost
> all works fine - I have just found one issue:
>
> - .ImportXml does create tables structure OK but doesn't import data nor
> when used in C# Automation mode, nor when running within COM-Add-In. I 
> have
> tried both .ImportXMl options - structure and data or append data...
>
> Is it a known bug/feature? (when running .ImportXml of the same file from
> within VBA it works OK).
>
> I'm currently using MS Access 2007.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:32 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create 
> a
> NEW DB and populate with objects.
>
> Thanks Shamil,
>
> I look forward to your development.
>
> In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:
>
>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>
> should it be:
>
>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>
> Max
>
> <<< snip >>>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Feb 15 13:14:32 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:14:32 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <E23469577DE14945BA34F5B8BC04C50F@jislaptopdev>
References: <008401caae58$0556cc50$100464f0$@spb.ru>
	<E23469577DE14945BA34F5B8BC04C50F@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <009801caae73$1bba59b0$532f0d10$@spb.ru>

TIA, William,

I have also put both zip archives on this page:

http://northwind.codeplex.com/releases/view/26600

in the end of the list of available downloads.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

P.S. Closing my working day here now - it's 10:13PM....

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Shamil

...I've dl'd the small zip ...I'm at a client's right now so it will be 
tonight before I get a look at it ...let you know then how it went.

...whatever the results, many thanks for the time and skills you (and others

here) have put into this already ...this is why I call AccessD home.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:00 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

> Hi Max, William et al,
>
> Here it's - "Access PowerTools Add-in v.0.0.1" setup:
>
> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215.zip
> (~30MB)
>
http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215_Small.zip
> (~2MB)
>
> The first one has dotNetFx inside, the second one doesn't.
> For a system with .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 installed second one (small) 
> setup
> should work fine.
> Test databases are included in both archives in \TestDatabases subfolder.
>
> When installed add-in adds small "PowerTools" CommandBar with three text
> buttons for Access 2000 - 2003, and a small "PowerTools" ribbon tab for
> Access 2007 (2010).
> For Access 2000 - 2003 commandbar is visible only if a db is opened.
> For MS Access 2007 Ribbon is visible even without any databases opened...
>
> As I noted in my earlier postings here this version is just a proof of
> concept - and it seems to be a good enough proof.
>
> Please read short readme in the archive before running setup.
>
> I'm "all ears" now listening for your, Max, William's and all AccessD
> community feedback - all and every comments are very welcome...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Shamil,
>
> If I export with this...(showing variables as example)
>
> app.ExportXML ObjectType:=acExportTable, _
> DataSource:=strObj, _
> DataTarget:=strTarget & strObj & ".xml", _
> SchemaTarget:=strObj & "Schema.xml"
>
> I can retrieve with this...(showing actual names as  example)
>
> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\Accounts.xml",
> acStructureAndData
> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\AccountTypes.xml",
> acStructureAndData
>
> BUT if there  is any errors then  it does not write to the app.  This 
> means
> when I was testing the above and getting errors as I tested it, no tables
> were pulled in.  Once  there were no errors then all tables came in.
>
> HTH
>
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 15 February 2010 09:32
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Max, William, whoever else who follows this thread et al,
>
> I'm wrapping Add-In setup and I'm testing it here - so far so good - 
> almost
> all works fine - I have just found one issue:
>
> - .ImportXml does create tables structure OK but doesn't import data nor
> when used in C# Automation mode, nor when running within COM-Add-In. I 
> have
> tried both .ImportXMl options - structure and data or append data...
>
> Is it a known bug/feature? (when running .ImportXml of the same file from
> within VBA it works OK).
>
> I'm currently using MS Access 2007.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:32 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create

> a
> NEW DB and populate with objects.
>
> Thanks Shamil,
>
> I look forward to your development.
>
> In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:
>
>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>
> should it be:
>
>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>
> Max
>
> <<< snip >>>
>
>




From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca  Mon Feb 15 13:14:40 2010
From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:14:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
In-Reply-To: <4b7997cb.0702d00a.3a6d.3a4d@mx.google.com>
References: <sb797f09.000@cactus.dk> <4B797AA8.3030103@nanaimo.ark.com>
	<4b7997cb.0702d00a.3a6d.3a4d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP368ECF722930976BA7EBD5C44A0@phx.gbl>

Try http://support.it-mate.co.uk/?mode=Products&p=smtpfinder

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] EMail recommendations

Tony,

Just a suggestion.  Go to www.support.it-mate.co.uk
Do a search  for smtp finder.

If you install it, you can enter your client's email  address  in there  and
find their address.
Ton of other stuff on there as well.

Max
Ps. No recommendations  though, just for info.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: 15 February 2010 16:48
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] EMail recommendations

Hey Gustav
I have to admit I am a bit of a ditz when it comes to understanding all 
about Email protocols. In your example would the user (me included) need 
to know their STMP server ID?


Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Tony
>
>If you don't want to install anything, I can recommend using the native
Windows CDO component which is installed by default on any newer Windows.
>Code is a bit long-winded but very flexible. Also, it can mail to either an
in-house Exchange server directly or to a normal SMTP server.
>Here's an example that via SMTP emails one attachment - more can be added
quite easily:
>
><code>
>  Dim msg As New CDO.Message
>
>  With msg
>    With .Fields
>      ' Custom X-Mailer info.
>      .Item(cdoXMailer) = "My Mailer V2.0"
>      .Update
>    End With
>    With .Configuration.Fields
>      .Item(cdoSMTPAuthenticate) = cdoAnonymous   'cdoBasic
>      ' .Item(cdoSendUserName) = "myusername"
>      ' .Item(cdoSendPassword) = "mypassword"
>      .Item(cdoSendUsingMethod) = cdoSendUsingPort
>      .Item(cdoSMTPServer) = "smtp.yourisp.com"
>      .Item(cdoSMTPConnectionTimeout) = 10
>      .Item(cdoSMTPServerPort) = 25
>      .Update
>    End With
>    .Organization = "myorganisation.org"
>    .To = "receiver at example.com"
>    .Subject = "Example to Example with attachment"
>    .TextBody = "Here you are!"
>    .From = "me at mydomain.com"
>    .AddAttachment ("c:\temp\report.pdf")
>    .Send
>  End With
>        
>  Set msg = Nothing
></code>
>
>And the CDO component is very fast - at zero cost.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>>>iggy at nanaimo.ark.com 14-02-2010 17:39 >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>Hey All
>
>I have spent the last couple of days looking all kinds of code for 
>EMailing (COD, STMP etc.) and third party products, (Blat etc. currently 
>looking at Total Access EMailer). Does anyone have any suggestions on 
>what route to go, to send EMails with attachments from an Access 
>application. I do not want to muck around on the user's machine 
>(basically stay away from their registry, no other installs other than 
>the Access application). Basically a no brainer for the user (enter your 
>user ID but no enter your STMP server address/ID etc.).  Orrrrrrrr.....I 
>am totally off base on this one and there is no easy simple solution.
>
>Thanks
>
>
>  
>

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Feb 15 13:34:06 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:34:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
In-Reply-To: <4B796C1D.1080405@nanaimo.ark.com>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com><06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev>
	<4B796C1D.1080405@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <E7CDBC868BAA4F869542F06BEDDD0C57@jislaptopdev>

...it comes with a runtime exe that you have to execute once on each client 
install ...I automate that with the packager wizard which FMS provides solid 
instructions for.

...as to incorporating it, that depends ...I built a custom form for my 
clients because the one that FMS provides is very limited ...if you decide 
to go with TAE let me know off-line and I'll send you a sample of what I 
did.

...TAE costs were more than offset by my not having to spend much time to 
get it up and running ...and the fact that its been dead reliable for even 
the two left thumb users.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tony Septav" <iggy at nanaimo.ark.com>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:45 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] EMail recommendations

> Hey William
> Thanks, I am kind of leaning that way.
> As to cost, everyone is on a tight budget these days, but  I figure that
> the time I would spend putting something together and testing it is
> probably worth it (already spent 2 days doing research).
> One question, is incorporating it into your application transparent,
> without having to fool around with anything on the user's end?
>
> William Hindman wrote:
>
>>Tony
>>
>>...I currently use TAE/A2k3 with a modified user form in the runtime
>>installs ...it works well and once you look at what FMS has done, coding a
>>user friendly form for your app is pretty easy ...as with all FMS tools, 
>>its
>>relatively expensive and heavy code but its been dead reliable for more 
>>than
>>a year now with the users routinely sending 500+ e-mails/attachments w/o 
>>any
>>assistance required.
>>
>>William
>>
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>From: "Tony Septav" <iggy at nanaimo.ark.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:39 AM
>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hey All
>>>
>>>I have spent the last couple of days looking all kinds of code for
>>>EMailing (COD, STMP etc.) and third party products, (Blat etc. currently
>>>looking at Total Access EMailer). Does anyone have any suggestions on
>>>what route to go, to send EMails with attachments from an Access
>>>application. I do not want to muck around on the user's machine
>>>(basically stay away from their registry, no other installs other than
>>>the Access application). Basically a no brainer for the user (enter your
>>>user ID but no enter your STMP server address/ID etc.).  Orrrrrrrr.....I
>>>am totally off base on this one and there is no easy simple solution.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 13:36:31 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:36:31 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <E23469577DE14945BA34F5B8BC04C50F@jislaptopdev>
References: <008401caae58$0556cc50$100464f0$@spb.ru>
	<E23469577DE14945BA34F5B8BC04C50F@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4b79a269.0702d00a.3a89.ffff9d64@mx.google.com>

You have a  client?

Does he pay well?

What's the  address...?

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: 15 February 2010 19:03
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Shamil

...I've dl'd the small zip ...I'm at a client's right now so it will be 
tonight before I get a look at it ...let you know then how it went.

...whatever the results, many thanks for the time and skills you (and others

here) have put into this already ...this is why I call AccessD home.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:00 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

> Hi Max, William et al,
>
> Here it's - "Access PowerTools Add-in v.0.0.1" setup:
>
> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215.zip
> (~30MB)
>
http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215_Small.zip
> (~2MB)
>
> The first one has dotNetFx inside, the second one doesn't.
> For a system with .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 installed second one (small) 
> setup
> should work fine.
> Test databases are included in both archives in \TestDatabases subfolder.
>
> When installed add-in adds small "PowerTools" CommandBar with three text
> buttons for Access 2000 - 2003, and a small "PowerTools" ribbon tab for
> Access 2007 (2010).
> For Access 2000 - 2003 commandbar is visible only if a db is opened.
> For MS Access 2007 Ribbon is visible even without any databases opened...
>
> As I noted in my earlier postings here this version is just a proof of
> concept - and it seems to be a good enough proof.
>
> Please read short readme in the archive before running setup.
>
> I'm "all ears" now listening for your, Max, William's and all AccessD
> community feedback - all and every comments are very welcome...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Shamil,
>
> If I export with this...(showing variables as example)
>
> app.ExportXML ObjectType:=acExportTable, _
> DataSource:=strObj, _
> DataTarget:=strTarget & strObj & ".xml", _
> SchemaTarget:=strObj & "Schema.xml"
>
> I can retrieve with this...(showing actual names as  example)
>
> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\Accounts.xml",
> acStructureAndData
> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\AccountTypes.xml",
> acStructureAndData
>
> BUT if there  is any errors then  it does not write to the app.  This 
> means
> when I was testing the above and getting errors as I tested it, no tables
> were pulled in.  Once  there were no errors then all tables came in.
>
> HTH
>
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 15 February 2010 09:32
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Max, William, whoever else who follows this thread et al,
>
> I'm wrapping Add-In setup and I'm testing it here - so far so good - 
> almost
> all works fine - I have just found one issue:
>
> - .ImportXml does create tables structure OK but doesn't import data nor
> when used in C# Automation mode, nor when running within COM-Add-In. I 
> have
> tried both .ImportXMl options - structure and data or append data...
>
> Is it a known bug/feature? (when running .ImportXml of the same file from
> within VBA it works OK).
>
> I'm currently using MS Access 2007.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:32 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create

> a
> NEW DB and populate with objects.
>
> Thanks Shamil,
>
> I look forward to your development.
>
> In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:
>
>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>
> should it be:
>
>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>
> Max
>
> <<< snip >>>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus 
> signature
> database 4866 (20100214) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
> http://www.esetnod32.ru
>
>
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus 
> signature
> database 4868 (20100215) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
> http://www.esetnod32.ru
>
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 13:44:28 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:44:28 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002150857j2cc0aecascafd15e4220338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.0.1266170400.30449.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<7c7841601002150857j2cc0aecascafd15e4220338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b79a447.0506d00a.46fa.54e2@mx.google.com>

Hi Ken,

>SaveAsText/LoadFromText does NOT:
> a) Fix all kinds of bloat
> b) Reset the form lifetime control count limit

a) What kinds of bloat does it NOT fix?  Can you provide any examples -
thanks.

I don't know about b) above until you mentioned it.  That was completely new
to me.  Still cant make sense of why they would do that...containers running
out of numbers in a database,...duh. go figure.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 15 February 2010 16:57
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 20

>
> Max Wanadoo:
> Ken,
> That sound fantastic,....but! ...
> If the "simple" solution works why do the difficult one?  The result is
the
> same.
>

Max:

Most emphatically NOT the same. The "simple" EatBloat solution didn't fix
our problems.

I've said this in several different ways, but I'll say it again:

SaveAsText/LoadFromText does NOT:
 a) Fix all kinds of bloat
 b) Reset the form lifetime control count limit

Our project had bloat that couldn't be fixed, and many complex forms that
were at the control count limit.

So, the more radical rebuild-from-scratch approach was used.

Trust me, we tried all less-costly methods of fixing our problem before
going this route.

-Ken
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 13:52:57 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:52:57 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <009801caae73$1bba59b0$532f0d10$@spb.ru>
References: <008401caae58$0556cc50$100464f0$@spb.ru>	<E23469577DE14945BA34F5B8BC04C50F@jislaptopdev>
	<009801caae73$1bba59b0$532f0d10$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4b79a645.0506d00a.4919.5eeb@mx.google.com>

Shamil,

I have installed it (the small version) as Administrator but it does not
appear anywhere.  The Addins is empty.

Where does it store it?

FYI: I have both 2007 and 2003 installed but I use mainly 2003.

In A2k3 the addin manager points to: Max/Appdata/Roaming/Microsoft/addins

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 15 February 2010 19:15
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

TIA, William,

I have also put both zip archives on this page:

http://northwind.codeplex.com/releases/view/26600

in the end of the list of available downloads.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

P.S. Closing my working day here now - it's 10:13PM....

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Shamil

...I've dl'd the small zip ...I'm at a client's right now so it will be 
tonight before I get a look at it ...let you know then how it went.

...whatever the results, many thanks for the time and skills you (and others

here) have put into this already ...this is why I call AccessD home.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:00 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

> Hi Max, William et al,
>
> Here it's - "Access PowerTools Add-in v.0.0.1" setup:
>
> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215.zip
> (~30MB)
>
http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215_Small.zip
> (~2MB)
>
> The first one has dotNetFx inside, the second one doesn't.
> For a system with .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 installed second one (small) 
> setup
> should work fine.
> Test databases are included in both archives in \TestDatabases subfolder.
>
> When installed add-in adds small "PowerTools" CommandBar with three text
> buttons for Access 2000 - 2003, and a small "PowerTools" ribbon tab for
> Access 2007 (2010).
> For Access 2000 - 2003 commandbar is visible only if a db is opened.
> For MS Access 2007 Ribbon is visible even without any databases opened...
>
> As I noted in my earlier postings here this version is just a proof of
> concept - and it seems to be a good enough proof.
>
> Please read short readme in the archive before running setup.
>
> I'm "all ears" now listening for your, Max, William's and all AccessD
> community feedback - all and every comments are very welcome...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Shamil,
>
> If I export with this...(showing variables as example)
>
> app.ExportXML ObjectType:=acExportTable, _
> DataSource:=strObj, _
> DataTarget:=strTarget & strObj & ".xml", _
> SchemaTarget:=strObj & "Schema.xml"
>
> I can retrieve with this...(showing actual names as  example)
>
> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\Accounts.xml",
> acStructureAndData
> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\AccountTypes.xml",
> acStructureAndData
>
> BUT if there  is any errors then  it does not write to the app.  This 
> means
> when I was testing the above and getting errors as I tested it, no tables
> were pulled in.  Once  there were no errors then all tables came in.
>
> HTH
>
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 15 February 2010 09:32
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Max, William, whoever else who follows this thread et al,
>
> I'm wrapping Add-In setup and I'm testing it here - so far so good - 
> almost
> all works fine - I have just found one issue:
>
> - .ImportXml does create tables structure OK but doesn't import data nor
> when used in C# Automation mode, nor when running within COM-Add-In. I 
> have
> tried both .ImportXMl options - structure and data or append data...
>
> Is it a known bug/feature? (when running .ImportXml of the same file from
> within VBA it works OK).
>
> I'm currently using MS Access 2007.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:32 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create

> a
> NEW DB and populate with objects.
>
> Thanks Shamil,
>
> I look forward to your development.
>
> In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:
>
>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>
> should it be:
>
>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>
> Max
>
> <<< snip >>>
>
>


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Feb 15 14:00:34 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:00:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
In-Reply-To: <E7CDBC868BAA4F869542F06BEDDD0C57@jislaptopdev>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com><06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev><4B796C1D.1080405@nanaimo.ark.com>
	<E7CDBC868BAA4F869542F06BEDDD0C57@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <9F514CB31E75473AAF3A9689D9CD1CFE@jislaptopdev>

...no, I'm not looking for a bill collector :)

...I'm running the following code behind a form.
...the code in InitialzeData runs just fine, no errors, and the displays 
work.
...the code in InitializeData2 gives an error every time on the line
Rose1.AddButton cName(i), "12," & cPolygon(i)
...the difference is of course that one uses a txt file to initialize the 
collections and the other uses an Access table with the same data
...the nCount in InitializeData2 shows 3 records read as it should
...the error is "Runtime error 3420. Object Invalid or No Longer Set"
...I'm a virgin in trying to code collections ...looking for a guru to tell 
me what I'm doing wrong ;)

William
--------------------------------------------
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

    Dim cPolygon As New Collection
    Dim cName As New Collection
    Dim cStatusbar As New Collection
    Dim cLabel As New Collection


Private Sub Form_Load()

    Dim i As Integer

    '-----
    'Initialize data
    'InitializeData
    InitializeData2

    '-----Add hotspot buttons to map and display
    Rose1.BitmapPath = GetAppPath()
    'Rose1.SetCustomColorPalette "map_ncal.bmp"
    Rose1.Wallpaper = "MBCC_Hall_C_Spring_001.bmp"
    'Rose1.Wallpaper = "map_ncal.bmp"
    Rose1.StartForm "Form1"
        For i = 1 To cName.Count
            Rose1.AddButton cName(i), "12," & cPolygon(i)
            Rose1.SetButtonStatusbar "", cStatusbar(i)
            Rose1.SetButtonLabel "", cLabel(i)
        Next
    Rose1.EndForm
    Rose1.OpenForm "Form1"


End Sub

Private Sub Form_Unload(Cancel As Integer)

    '-----Clear up
    Set cPolygon = Nothing
    Set cName = Nothing
    Set cStatusbar = Nothing
    Set cLabel = Nothing

End Sub

Private Function GetAppPath() As String
    'Working variables
    Dim sAppPath As String
    Dim i As Integer, nLen As Integer, nPos As Integer

    sAppPath = Application.DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0).Name
    nLen = Len(sAppPath)
    For i = 1 To nLen
        If Mid(sAppPath, nLen - i, 1) = "\" Then
            nPos = nLen - i
            Exit For
        End If
    Next
    sAppPath = Left(sAppPath, nPos - 1)
    GetAppPath = sAppPath

End Function

Private Sub InitializeData()


    '-----Hotspot Polygon Data
    cPolygon.Add "0238, 75,61,18,18, 75 61 92 61 92 78 75 78 75 61 75 61 92 
61"
    cPolygon.Add "0239, 113,61,18,18, 113 61 130 61 130 78 113 78 113 61"
    cPolygon.Add "1333, 733,137,18,17, 750 137 750 153 733 153 733 137"

    '-----Hotspot button names
    cName.Add "0238"
    cName.Add "0239"
    cName.Add "1333"

    '-----Hotspot status bar text
    cStatusbar.Add "Booth 0238"
    cStatusbar.Add "Booth 0239"
    cStatusbar.Add "Booth 1333"


    '-----Hotspot button labels
    cLabel.Add "0238"
    cLabel.Add "0239"
    cLabel.Add "1333"

End Sub
Private Sub InitializeData2()

    Dim i As Integer, nCount As Integer
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database, rst As DAO.Recordset
    Dim strSQL As String

    '-----Get data from table
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("tblFloorPlans")
    'strSQL = "SELECT [ID], [RegionName], [Statusbar], [Label], [Polygon] 
FROM tblFloorPlans;"
    'Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
    rst.MoveLast
    nCount = rst.RecordCount
    'If nCount > 0 Then
      'MsgBox nCount, vbInformation
    'End If
    rst.MoveFirst

    '-----Fill data to collections
    For i = 1 To nCount
        cName.Add rst!RegionName
        cStatusbar.Add rst!Statusbar
        cLabel.Add rst!Label
        cPolygon.Add rst!Polygon
        rst.MoveNext
    Next

    '-----Close
    rst.Close
    Set dbs = Nothing 




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Feb 15 14:03:31 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:03:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <4b79a269.0702d00a.3a89.ffff9d64@mx.google.com>
References: <008401caae58$0556cc50$100464f0$@spb.ru><E23469577DE14945BA34F5B8BC04C50F@jislaptopdev>
	<4b79a269.0702d00a.3a89.ffff9d64@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <C3531D83511F4BA684ECECFB06FA3300@jislaptopdev>

...yes (at least for now), I think so, for me to know and you to long for :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:36 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

> You have a  client?
>
> Does he pay well?
>
> What's the  address...?
>
> Max
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: 15 February 2010 19:03
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Shamil
>
> ...I've dl'd the small zip ...I'm at a client's right now so it will be
> tonight before I get a look at it ...let you know then how it went.
>
> ...whatever the results, many thanks for the time and skills you (and 
> others
>
> here) have put into this already ...this is why I call AccessD home.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:00 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
>> Hi Max, William et al,
>>
>> Here it's - "Access PowerTools Add-in v.0.0.1" setup:
>>
>> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215.zip
>> (~30MB)
>>
> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215_Small.zip
>> (~2MB)
>>
>> The first one has dotNetFx inside, the second one doesn't.
>> For a system with .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 installed second one (small)
>> setup
>> should work fine.
>> Test databases are included in both archives in \TestDatabases subfolder.
>>
>> When installed add-in adds small "PowerTools" CommandBar with three text
>> buttons for Access 2000 - 2003, and a small "PowerTools" ribbon tab for
>> Access 2007 (2010).
>> For Access 2000 - 2003 commandbar is visible only if a db is opened.
>> For MS Access 2007 Ribbon is visible even without any databases opened...
>>
>> As I noted in my earlier postings here this version is just a proof of
>> concept - and it seems to be a good enough proof.
>>
>> Please read short readme in the archive before running setup.
>>
>> I'm "all ears" now listening for your, Max, William's and all AccessD
>> community feedback - all and every comments are very welcome...
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:53 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>>
>> Hi Shamil,
>>
>> If I export with this...(showing variables as example)
>>
>> app.ExportXML ObjectType:=acExportTable, _
>> DataSource:=strObj, _
>> DataTarget:=strTarget & strObj & ".xml", _
>> SchemaTarget:=strObj & "Schema.xml"
>>
>> I can retrieve with this...(showing actual names as  example)
>>
>> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\Accounts.xml",
>> acStructureAndData
>> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\AccountTypes.xml",
>> acStructureAndData
>>
>> BUT if there  is any errors then  it does not write to the app.  This
>> means
>> when I was testing the above and getting errors as I tested it, no tables
>> were pulled in.  Once  there were no errors then all tables came in.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: 15 February 2010 09:32
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>>
>> Hi Max, William, whoever else who follows this thread et al,
>>
>> I'm wrapping Add-In setup and I'm testing it here - so far so good -
>> almost
>> all works fine - I have just found one issue:
>>
>> - .ImportXml does create tables structure OK but doesn't import data nor
>> when used in C# Automation mode, nor when running within COM-Add-In. I
>> have
>> tried both .ImportXMl options - structure and data or append data...
>>
>> Is it a known bug/feature? (when running .ImportXml of the same file from
>> within VBA it works OK).
>>
>> I'm currently using MS Access 2007.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:32 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - 
>> Create
>
>> a
>> NEW DB and populate with objects.
>>
>> Thanks Shamil,
>>
>> I look forward to your development.
>>
>> In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:
>>
>>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>>                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>>                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>>
>> should it be:
>>
>>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>>
>> Max
>>
>> <<< snip >>>
>>
>>
>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>> signature
>> database 4866 (20100214) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>
>> http://www.esetnod32.ru
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>> signature
>> database 4868 (20100215) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>
>> http://www.esetnod32.ru
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
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> 



From dbsteele at dccnet.com  Mon Feb 15 14:19:35 2010
From: dbsteele at dccnet.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:19:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Retrieve data from a URL.
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c1002151219g1dbab345hac84814d62e1cffa@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All:

I'm trying to implement the www.toodledo.com API from an Access database.
To work with the API, you first send a URL with a command, like:

http://api.toodledo.com/api.php?method=getToken;userid=td4b703588b0844

then the website sends you back some xml with the response, like:

<token>td4b799afb28f85</token>

How can I get the response text back into Access?  If I do something like

Application.FollowHyperlink "
http://api.toodledo.com/api.php?method=getToken;userid=td4b703588b0844"

Then I just get an Internet Explorer window with the xml showing it it.  I
found some code on the web which gets Yahoo stock prices saves them into a
text file, reads the file and parses it, but that seems a bit roundabout.

Thanks,

Doug


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Feb 15 14:23:44 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:23:44 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <4b79a645.0506d00a.4919.5eeb@mx.google.com>
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Hi Max --

Please have a look:

http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/apce.jpg

This is Access 2007.
I tested also with Access 2003 - and that was not my development PC - and I
have got PowerTools CommandBar there.

Please note that for MS Access 2003 CommandBar is getting visible only when
you have a database opened.

Please note also that you have to run setup.exe - if you used
[Right-Click]->[Install] with .msi file from setup kit it could not work
properly.

I must say I only tested large setup first on my three systems: Vista, XP
and Windows Server 2003 - and that worked OK.
After large setup installed/deinstalled small one worked OK also.

Still learning "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" setup features - setup
package is created by this tool "automagically" (and worked well here on
three systems) - there could be some "blues" with it I expect - let's find
them together...

One can also ask/look at Add-In Express support forum
(http://www.add-in-express.com/forum/index.php) - there are quite some info
there and discussions are quite active - and they are positive mainly, btw,
Andrei Smolin, you can find there is a former AccessD member (10+ years
ago)...

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Shamil,

I have installed it (the small version) as Administrator but it does not
appear anywhere.  The Addins is empty.

Where does it store it?

FYI: I have both 2007 and 2003 installed but I use mainly 2003.

In A2k3 the addin manager points to: Max/Appdata/Roaming/Microsoft/addins

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 15 February 2010 19:15
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

TIA, William,

I have also put both zip archives on this page:

http://northwind.codeplex.com/releases/view/26600

in the end of the list of available downloads.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

P.S. Closing my working day here now - it's 10:13PM....

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Shamil

...I've dl'd the small zip ...I'm at a client's right now so it will be 
tonight before I get a look at it ...let you know then how it went.

...whatever the results, many thanks for the time and skills you (and others

here) have put into this already ...this is why I call AccessD home.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:00 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

> Hi Max, William et al,
>
> Here it's - "Access PowerTools Add-in v.0.0.1" setup:
>
> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215.zip
> (~30MB)
>
http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215_Small.zip
> (~2MB)
>
> The first one has dotNetFx inside, the second one doesn't.
> For a system with .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 installed second one (small) 
> setup
> should work fine.
> Test databases are included in both archives in \TestDatabases subfolder.
>
> When installed add-in adds small "PowerTools" CommandBar with three text
> buttons for Access 2000 - 2003, and a small "PowerTools" ribbon tab for
> Access 2007 (2010).
> For Access 2000 - 2003 commandbar is visible only if a db is opened.
> For MS Access 2007 Ribbon is visible even without any databases opened...
>
> As I noted in my earlier postings here this version is just a proof of
> concept - and it seems to be a good enough proof.
>
> Please read short readme in the archive before running setup.
>
> I'm "all ears" now listening for your, Max, William's and all AccessD
> community feedback - all and every comments are very welcome...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Shamil,
>
> If I export with this...(showing variables as example)
>
> app.ExportXML ObjectType:=acExportTable, _
> DataSource:=strObj, _
> DataTarget:=strTarget & strObj & ".xml", _
> SchemaTarget:=strObj & "Schema.xml"
>
> I can retrieve with this...(showing actual names as  example)
>
> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\Accounts.xml",
> acStructureAndData
> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\AccountTypes.xml",
> acStructureAndData
>
> BUT if there  is any errors then  it does not write to the app.  This 
> means
> when I was testing the above and getting errors as I tested it, no tables
> were pulled in.  Once  there were no errors then all tables came in.
>
> HTH
>
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 15 February 2010 09:32
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Max, William, whoever else who follows this thread et al,
>
> I'm wrapping Add-In setup and I'm testing it here - so far so good - 
> almost
> all works fine - I have just found one issue:
>
> - .ImportXml does create tables structure OK but doesn't import data nor
> when used in C# Automation mode, nor when running within COM-Add-In. I 
> have
> tried both .ImportXMl options - structure and data or append data...
>
> Is it a known bug/feature? (when running .ImportXml of the same file from
> within VBA it works OK).
>
> I'm currently using MS Access 2007.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:32 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create

> a
> NEW DB and populate with objects.
>
> Thanks Shamil,
>
> I look forward to your development.
>
> In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:
>
>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>
> should it be:
>
>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>
> Max
>
> <<< snip >>>
>
>


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 14:37:34 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:37:34 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <009a01caae7c$c7056e00$55104a00$@spb.ru>
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Aha!

Got it, didn't realise it was on the menu bars.  Sorry..duh.  

Ok, runs ok but  not enough explanation of what is happening and what to
expect. Backup and  Restore seemed to go  ok but "how would I know"?  Needs
a bit  on hand-holding.

No options to choose how tables should be  exported  (csv, xls, xml, data).
I like the "plain data" that is good - ideal for pasting into Word etc.  I
will put that into my RemoteEatBloat program.

Therefore, no option on which format to use to restore the tables.

But, ran well, no problems that I could see.

I will now run it  on a "problem" mdb and report back.

Thanks very much - excellent job

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 15 February 2010 20:24
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Hi Max --

Please have a look:

http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/apce.jpg

This is Access 2007.
I tested also with Access 2003 - and that was not my development PC - and I
have got PowerTools CommandBar there.

Please note that for MS Access 2003 CommandBar is getting visible only when
you have a database opened.

Please note also that you have to run setup.exe - if you used
[Right-Click]->[Install] with .msi file from setup kit it could not work
properly.

I must say I only tested large setup first on my three systems: Vista, XP
and Windows Server 2003 - and that worked OK.
After large setup installed/deinstalled small one worked OK also.

Still learning "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" setup features - setup
package is created by this tool "automagically" (and worked well here on
three systems) - there could be some "blues" with it I expect - let's find
them together...

One can also ask/look at Add-In Express support forum
(http://www.add-in-express.com/forum/index.php) - there are quite some info
there and discussions are quite active - and they are positive mainly, btw,
Andrei Smolin, you can find there is a former AccessD member (10+ years
ago)...

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Shamil,

I have installed it (the small version) as Administrator but it does not
appear anywhere.  The Addins is empty.

Where does it store it?

FYI: I have both 2007 and 2003 installed but I use mainly 2003.

In A2k3 the addin manager points to: Max/Appdata/Roaming/Microsoft/addins

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 15 February 2010 19:15
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

TIA, William,

I have also put both zip archives on this page:

http://northwind.codeplex.com/releases/view/26600

in the end of the list of available downloads.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

P.S. Closing my working day here now - it's 10:13PM....

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Shamil

...I've dl'd the small zip ...I'm at a client's right now so it will be 
tonight before I get a look at it ...let you know then how it went.

...whatever the results, many thanks for the time and skills you (and others

here) have put into this already ...this is why I call AccessD home.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:00 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

> Hi Max, William et al,
>
> Here it's - "Access PowerTools Add-in v.0.0.1" setup:
>
> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215.zip
> (~30MB)
>
http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215_Small.zip
> (~2MB)
>
> The first one has dotNetFx inside, the second one doesn't.
> For a system with .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 installed second one (small) 
> setup
> should work fine.
> Test databases are included in both archives in \TestDatabases subfolder.
>
> When installed add-in adds small "PowerTools" CommandBar with three text
> buttons for Access 2000 - 2003, and a small "PowerTools" ribbon tab for
> Access 2007 (2010).
> For Access 2000 - 2003 commandbar is visible only if a db is opened.
> For MS Access 2007 Ribbon is visible even without any databases opened...
>
> As I noted in my earlier postings here this version is just a proof of
> concept - and it seems to be a good enough proof.
>
> Please read short readme in the archive before running setup.
>
> I'm "all ears" now listening for your, Max, William's and all AccessD
> community feedback - all and every comments are very welcome...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Shamil,
>
> If I export with this...(showing variables as example)
>
> app.ExportXML ObjectType:=acExportTable, _
> DataSource:=strObj, _
> DataTarget:=strTarget & strObj & ".xml", _
> SchemaTarget:=strObj & "Schema.xml"
>
> I can retrieve with this...(showing actual names as  example)
>
> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\Accounts.xml",
> acStructureAndData
> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\AccountTypes.xml",
> acStructureAndData
>
> BUT if there  is any errors then  it does not write to the app.  This 
> means
> when I was testing the above and getting errors as I tested it, no tables
> were pulled in.  Once  there were no errors then all tables came in.
>
> HTH
>
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 15 February 2010 09:32
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Max, William, whoever else who follows this thread et al,
>
> I'm wrapping Add-In setup and I'm testing it here - so far so good - 
> almost
> all works fine - I have just found one issue:
>
> - .ImportXml does create tables structure OK but doesn't import data nor
> when used in C# Automation mode, nor when running within COM-Add-In. I 
> have
> tried both .ImportXMl options - structure and data or append data...
>
> Is it a known bug/feature? (when running .ImportXml of the same file from
> within VBA it works OK).
>
> I'm currently using MS Access 2007.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:32 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - Create

> a
> NEW DB and populate with objects.
>
> Thanks Shamil,
>
> I look forward to your development.
>
> In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:
>
>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>
> should it be:
>
>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>
> Max
>
> <<< snip >>>
>
>


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From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 14:54:44 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:54:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <mailman.40625.1266266303.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.40625.1266266303.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <7c7841601002151254v6cb03924g25028f47e9a28223@mail.gmail.com>

> Shamil Salakhetdinov:
> Hi Ken --
> <<<
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText does NOT:
> b) Reset the form lifetime control count limit
> >>>
> Are you talking about ItemSuffix property value?
>
> Version =20
> VersionRequired =20
> Checksum =97318316
> Begin Form
>    DividingLines = NotDefault
>    AllowDesignChanges = NotDefault
>    DefaultView =0
> ....
>    ItemSuffix =1
> ...
>
> I have just played with it (user backup/restore of Access.PowerTools.Add-In
> + manual edit of ItemSuffix back and force etc.) - it can be set to any
> value for MS Access 2007 (Access 2003 db format)  forms- and MS Access
> gracefully skips (increases) ItemSuffix value if is already occupied..
>
> Am I missing something?
> Do you mean there exists another counter?
>

Shamil,

That's the one. I'm glad to hear the manual reset and control suffixing work
well in A2007.

My experience in A2K was not positive, but it was with a gigantic form that
has probably been around since Access 95.

The ItemSuffix reset would be a nice addition to EatBloat. But, I would
suggest making it optional. If people have problems with the result, allow
them to run it without.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 15:06:15 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:06:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <mailman.40625.1266266303.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.40625.1266266303.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <7c7841601002151306u5f50820ci87e36830c4bfbe89@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Max Wanadoo:
> >Ken:
> >SaveAsText/LoadFromText does NOT:
> > a) Fix all kinds of bloat
> > b) Reset the form lifetime control count limit
>
> a) What kinds of bloat does it NOT fix?  Can you provide any examples -
> thanks.
>

I have first-hand experience with one unfixable front end. Unfortunately, it
is a proprietary application, and I am not working for the company anymore,
so I can't provide a test file.

The problems centered around big forms (500 or 600 controls) with long, long
development histories, in a front end with 200+ forms, and 500+ reports.
Beyond that, I couldn't identify a specific cause.

However, in following this list, I recall at least two other people who
tried EatBloat, and reported that it failed. So I am reasonably confident I
am not alone in experiencing this.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 15:20:22 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:20:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
	Issue 23
Message-ID: <7c7841601002151320m16fb9a54vcc63b84fa65fa58b@mail.gmail.com>

Some background on my code, which I called DBRepair:

I developed it to clean up a stubbornly corrupted database for a company I
previously worked for, and the principals are uncomfortable with the idea of
open-sourcing it.

However, if I completely rewrote the code under .NET, that would remove any
proprietary restrictions.

This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.

-Ken


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 15:19:50 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:19:50 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002151306u5f50820ci87e36830c4bfbe89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.40625.1266266303.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<7c7841601002151306u5f50820ci87e36830c4bfbe89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b79baa9.1c05d00a.23fd.fffff5f5@mx.google.com>

Hi Ken,
I have a similar problem but it is because  of a corrupt  form.  Therefore
RemoteEATbloat bombs out.  If I remove the offending form, it will compact
ok.

So, my question is, with your problem mdb is the problem the form or
EatBloat? Trying to pin down what else I can do to improve it.

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 15 February 2010 21:06
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23

>
> Max Wanadoo:
> >Ken:
> >SaveAsText/LoadFromText does NOT:
> > a) Fix all kinds of bloat
> > b) Reset the form lifetime control count limit
>
> a) What kinds of bloat does it NOT fix?  Can you provide any examples -
> thanks.
>

I have first-hand experience with one unfixable front end. Unfortunately, it
is a proprietary application, and I am not working for the company anymore,
so I can't provide a test file.

The problems centered around big forms (500 or 600 controls) with long, long
development histories, in a front end with 200+ forms, and 500+ reports.
Beyond that, I couldn't identify a specific cause.

However, in following this list, I recall at least two other people who
tried EatBloat, and reported that it failed. So I am reasonably confident I
am not alone in experiencing this.

-Ken
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From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 15:24:23 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:24:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] SaveAsText/LoadFromText Problems:
Message-ID: <7c7841601002151324t338f16efk36843e002aa2268a@mail.gmail.com>

>Ken:
>SaveAsText/LoadFromText does NOT:
> a) Fix all kinds of bloat
> b) Reset the form lifetime control count limit

Oh, and I just remembered:
 c) LoadFromText won't load queries with subqueries using the [subquery
sql]. syntax.

You will have to parse the file for the [ ]. and replace it with () before
importing.

Again, tested only on A2K.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 15:53:43 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:53:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] SaveAsText/LoadFromText Problems:
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002151324t338f16efk36843e002aa2268a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841601002151324t338f16efk36843e002aa2268a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c7841601002151353o62fcbc60r2684ddc7088a592d@mail.gmail.com>

> >Ken:
> >SaveAsText/LoadFromText does NOT:
> > a) Fix all kinds of bloat
> > b) Reset the form lifetime control count limit
>
> Oh, and I just remembered:
>  c) LoadFromText won't load queries with subqueries using the [subquery
> sql]. syntax.
>
> You will have to parse the file for the [ ]. and replace it with () before
> importing.
>
> Again, tested only on A2K.
>
> -Ken
>

And:

 d) Won't load forms/reports with ActiveX controls that you don't have a
design-time license for. More correctly, if you don't have the design-time
license loaded on the machine that you are running EatBloat on, the the load
will fail.

You can fix this by installing the license for the ActiveX control on the
computer you are using EatBloat on.

If you can't do that, you can do the following:

1. Create a stub form from scratch, and copy the ActiveX control on the form
to the stub.
2. Copy the source database, and delete all objects but the stub, and use
that file as the destination.
3. Use SaveAsText to save the form. Parse out the ActiveX definition in the
file.
4. Load the fine into destination.
5. Merge the imported form with the stub.

-Ken


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Feb 15 16:03:59 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:03:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Retrieve data from a URL.
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c1002151219g1dbab345hac84814d62e1cffa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4dd71a0c1002151219g1dbab345hac84814d62e1cffa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B79C4CF.20429.9618852@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If you are talking about using the URLDownloadToFile API function to get some XML into a 
file, it is a bit roundabout, but it's actually not that complicated, it's very fast and it'sby far the 
easiest way I've found to do it.

See example below of looking up the location of an IP address using this technique

-- 
Stuart

On 15 Feb 2010 at 12:19, Doug Steele wrote:
> 
> Application.FollowHyperlink "
> http://api.toodledo.com/api.php?method=getToken;userid=td4b703588b0844"
> 
> Then I just get an Internet Explorer window with the xml showing it it.  I
> found some code on the web which gets Yahoo stock prices saves them into a
> text file, reads the file and parses it, but that seems a bit roundabout.
> 


Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" _
   Alias "URLDownloadToFileA" _
  (ByVal pCaller As Long, _
   ByVal szURL As String, _
   ByVal szFileName As String, _
   ByVal dwReserved As Long, _
   ByVal lpfnCB As Long) As Long
   
Const ERROR_SUCCESS As Long = 0
Const BINDF_GETNEWESTVERSION As Long = &H10

Function GetIPLoc(IP As String) As String
'Gets CountryName for an IP address from the online
'database at http://www.ipinfodb.com
   Dim strSourceUrl As String
   Dim strLocalFile As String
   Dim hfile As Long
   Dim strText As String
   
   strLocalFile = "c:\deleteme.htm"
   strSourceUrl = "http://www.ipinfodb.com/ip_query.php?ip=" _
         & IP & "&output=xml"

'Get URL
   If URLDownloadToFile(0&, _
        strSourceUrl, strLocalFile, _
        BINDF_GETNEWESTVERSION, _
        0&) = ERROR_SUCCESS Then
      hfile = FreeFile
'Read in data from temp file
      Open strLocalFile For Binary As #hfile
         strText = Space$(LOF(hfile))
         Get hfile, , strText
      Close #hfile
'Delete temporary file
      Kill strLocalFile
Debug.Print strText
'Pares Country name out of returned XML
      strText = Mid$(strText, InStr(strText, "<CountryName>") + 13)
      strText = Left$(strText, InStr(strText, "</CountryName>") - 1)
      GetIPLoc = strText
      
   End If
End Function



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 16:57:28 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:57:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Retrieve data from a URL.
In-Reply-To: <4B79C4CF.20429.9618852@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4dd71a0c1002151219g1dbab345hac84814d62e1cffa@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B79C4CF.20429.9618852@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c1002151457l2b022e9bk4f735c5980f9ded8@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Stuart - worked like a charm!

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> If you are talking about using the URLDownloadToFile API function to get
> some XML into a
> file, it is a bit roundabout, but it's actually not that complicated, it's
> very fast and it'sby far the
> easiest way I've found to do it.
>
> See example below of looking up the location of an IP address using this
> technique
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 15 Feb 2010 at 12:19, Doug Steele wrote:
> >
> > Application.FollowHyperlink "
> > http://api.toodledo.com/api.php?method=getToken;userid=td4b703588b0844"
> >
> > Then I just get an Internet Explorer window with the xml showing it it.
>  I
> > found some code on the web which gets Yahoo stock prices saves them into
> a
> > text file, reads the file and parses it, but that seems a bit roundabout.
> >
>
>
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
>
> Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" _
>   Alias "URLDownloadToFileA" _
>  (ByVal pCaller As Long, _
>   ByVal szURL As String, _
>   ByVal szFileName As String, _
>   ByVal dwReserved As Long, _
>   ByVal lpfnCB As Long) As Long
>
> Const ERROR_SUCCESS As Long = 0
> Const BINDF_GETNEWESTVERSION As Long = &H10
>
> Function GetIPLoc(IP As String) As String
> 'Gets CountryName for an IP address from the online
> 'database at http://www.ipinfodb.com
>   Dim strSourceUrl As String
>   Dim strLocalFile As String
>   Dim hfile As Long
>   Dim strText As String
>
>   strLocalFile = "c:\deleteme.htm"
>   strSourceUrl = "http://www.ipinfodb.com/ip_query.php?ip=" _
>         & IP & "&output=xml"
>
> 'Get URL
>   If URLDownloadToFile(0&, _
>        strSourceUrl, strLocalFile, _
>        BINDF_GETNEWESTVERSION, _
>        0&) = ERROR_SUCCESS Then
>      hfile = FreeFile
> 'Read in data from temp file
>      Open strLocalFile For Binary As #hfile
>         strText = Space$(LOF(hfile))
>         Get hfile, , strText
>      Close #hfile
> 'Delete temporary file
>      Kill strLocalFile
> Debug.Print strText
> 'Pares Country name out of returned XML
>      strText = Mid$(strText, InStr(strText, "<CountryName>") + 13)
>      strText = Left$(strText, InStr(strText, "</CountryName>") - 1)
>      GetIPLoc = strText
>
>   End If
> End Function
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 17:09:13 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:09:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <mailman.40564.1266252441.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.40564.1266252441.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <7c7841601002151509u59a4d7f9y7ce9896cee228084@mail.gmail.com>

Gustav Brock:

> ... If you don't want to install anything, I can recommend using the native
> Windows CDO component which is installed by default on any newer Windows
> ...
>


Gustav:

This version of CDO is easy to use, but I have two reservations:

1) I can't tell from the docs whether it is installed on Vista and Windows 7
(MS has ceased distributing the COM-based MAPI libraries for Outlook, also
called CDO).

2) When I referenced cdosys.dll, my A2K front-end stopped working. Removing
it fixed the problem. Changing the priority of cdosys in the references list
fixed it, but only until the next code change, where you would have to do it
again. A major PITA. Your mileage may vary.

Can you verify that the Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000 Library
(C:\Windows\System32\cdosys.dll) is installed on Vista and Windows 7
machines?

-Ken


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Feb 16 01:09:25 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:09:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
Message-ID: <0FACBBEA7F384220AEAB076C497F0B38@HAL9005>

Dear List:

I have an error report from an mde compiled in A2K3 but the client appears
to be running it with Access 2010.  The error is 'Error 561 - Internal
Error'.  Can't find out anything about this error.  The version of the mde
they're running is a few minor releases back and is solid.  So I'm thinking
this is a 2010 related problem.  Any clues?

MTIA

Rocky

 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Feb 16 01:42:53 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:42:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 21
Message-ID: <sb7a5ab1.022@cactus.dk>

Hi Ken

You may be right. I can see my code references CDOEX, and using CDO under Vista (and so Windows 7, I guess) can be a mess:

http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?t=560446
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms978698.aspx
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171440

So I'm in doubt what to do or recommend. Or maybe not - the last applications I've made, where sending mail is a part of the functionality, were programmed in .Net/VS2008/C# where all this stuff is native and very easy to get up and running.

The FMS tool will most likely work if you have the budget. If not, I would have a second look at the VB dll mentioned by Stuart ... depends a little of your requirements and how much user interaction is requested.

/gustav


>>> kismert at gmail.com 16-02-2010 00:09 >>>
Gustav Brock:

> ... If you don't want to install anything, I can recommend using the native
> Windows CDO component which is installed by default on any newer Windows
> ...
>


Gustav:

This version of CDO is easy to use, but I have two reservations:

1) I can't tell from the docs whether it is installed on Vista and Windows 7
(MS has ceased distributing the COM-based MAPI libraries for Outlook, also
called CDO).

2) When I referenced cdosys.dll, my A2K front-end stopped working. Removing
it fixed the problem. Changing the priority of cdosys in the references list
fixed it, but only until the next code change, where you would have to do it
again. A major PITA. Your mileage may vary.

Can you verify that the Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000 Library
(C:\Windows\System32\cdosys.dll) is installed on Vista and Windows 7
machines?

-Ken




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 05:55:54 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:55:54 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <sb7a5ab1.022@cactus.dk>
References: <sb7a5ab1.022@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4b7a87ef.1818d00a.09bc.ffff942d@mx.google.com>

Try BLAT with minirelay.exe which sends emails from your PC without an
external SMTP server.

Lots  of posts in the archive about this.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 16 February 2010 07:43
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 21

Hi Ken

You may be right. I can see my code references CDOEX, and using CDO under
Vista (and so Windows 7, I guess) can be a mess:

http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?t=560446
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms978698.aspx
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171440

So I'm in doubt what to do or recommend. Or maybe not - the last
applications I've made, where sending mail is a part of the functionality,
were programmed in .Net/VS2008/C# where all this stuff is native and very
easy to get up and running.

The FMS tool will most likely work if you have the budget. If not, I would
have a second look at the VB dll mentioned by Stuart ... depends a little of
your requirements and how much user interaction is requested.

/gustav


>>> kismert at gmail.com 16-02-2010 00:09 >>>
Gustav Brock:

> ... If you don't want to install anything, I can recommend using the
native
> Windows CDO component which is installed by default on any newer Windows
> ...
>


Gustav:

This version of CDO is easy to use, but I have two reservations:

1) I can't tell from the docs whether it is installed on Vista and Windows 7
(MS has ceased distributing the COM-based MAPI libraries for Outlook, also
called CDO).

2) When I referenced cdosys.dll, my A2K front-end stopped working. Removing
it fixed the problem. Changing the priority of cdosys in the references list
fixed it, but only until the next code change, where you would have to do it
again. A major PITA. Your mileage may vary.

Can you verify that the Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000 Library
(C:\Windows\System32\cdosys.dll) is installed on Vista and Windows 7
machines?

-Ken


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 09:00:26 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:00:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing
Message-ID: <CC1491CA2BF3420CAD5860447B829C9F@SusanOne>

When referencing a Reference object, do any of you bother with 

Set ref = Nothing

????

Susan H. 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Feb 16 09:23:11 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:23:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing
Message-ID: <sb7ac694.036@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

Yes. Why not? It may not do much, but it doesn't hurt and is a good habit.

/gustav


>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 16-02-2010 16:00 >>>
When referencing a Reference object, do any of you bother with 

Set ref = Nothing

????

Susan H. 




From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Tue Feb 16 09:42:54 2010
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:42:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing
In-Reply-To: <sb7ac694.036@cactus.dk>
References: <sb7ac694.036@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E834653B7@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

I concur. Way not as it is so little effort. Now if VB/VBA had garbage collection the point would be moot. But then that puts you in .NET land.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing

Hi Susan

Yes. Why not? It may not do much, but it doesn't hurt and is a good habit.

/gustav


>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 16-02-2010 16:00 >>>
When referencing a Reference object, do any of you bother with 

Set ref = Nothing

????

Susan H. 


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 09:48:36 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:48:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing
References: <sb7ac694.036@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <96E1B05FDD20448FA11B74D59965AD12@SusanOne>

Gustav, I mostly agree, although I wouldn't bother to add the statement to 
an existing function I don't think.

I'm getting ready to publish a simple function and you wouldn't believe the 
complaints I get on simple stuff like this. I'm including the = Nothing 
statement, but I'm sure I'll hear, "Why did you bother..."

Just curious more than anything else. :)

Susan H.


> Hi Susan
>
> Yes. Why not? It may not do much, but it doesn't hurt and is a good habit.
>
> /gustav
> When referencing a Reference object, do any of you bother with
>
> Set ref = Nothing



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Feb 16 09:56:48 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:56:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing
In-Reply-To: <CC1491CA2BF3420CAD5860447B829C9F@SusanOne>
References: <CC1491CA2BF3420CAD5860447B829C9F@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <C60C52660BCA433C8B3B7BF9D05873D4@XPS>


  Always.  Also do this:


  On Error resume next

  If not rstMyRecordSet is nothing then
    rstMyRecordSet.Close
    Set rstMyRecordSet = Nothing
  End If

  Always a good idea to clean up after yourself.  At least in the case of
Access, you can't always count on it to do the job for you.  

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:00 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing

When referencing a Reference object, do any of you bother with 

Set ref = Nothing

????

Susan H. 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Feb 16 10:00:44 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:00:44 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing
Message-ID: <sb7acf62.037@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

Well, you bother because you wish to educate the interested reader by sharing your experience. The sloppy readers writing sloppy code will continue to do so. I would just ignore their complaints.

/gustav


>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 16-02-2010 16:48 >>>
Gustav, I mostly agree, although I wouldn't bother to add the statement to 
an existing function I don't think.

I'm getting ready to publish a simple function and you wouldn't believe the 
complaints I get on simple stuff like this. I'm including the = Nothing 
statement, but I'm sure I'll hear, "Why did you bother..."

Just curious more than anything else. :)

Susan H.


> Hi Susan
>
> Yes. Why not? It may not do much, but it doesn't hurt and is a good habit.
>
> /gustav
> When referencing a Reference object, do any of you bother with
>
> Set ref = Nothing




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 10:03:14 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:03:14 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing
In-Reply-To: <sb7acf62.037@cactus.dk>
References: <sb7acf62.037@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4b7ac1fe.0508d00a.3b4e.fffff1cb@mx.google.com>

Or better still, tell them they are writing sloppy code and refer them to
Gustav...

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 16 February 2010 16:01
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing

Hi Susan

Well, you bother because you wish to educate the interested reader by
sharing your experience. The sloppy readers writing sloppy code will
continue to do so. I would just ignore their complaints.

/gustav


>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 16-02-2010 16:48 >>>
Gustav, I mostly agree, although I wouldn't bother to add the statement to 
an existing function I don't think.

I'm getting ready to publish a simple function and you wouldn't believe the 
complaints I get on simple stuff like this. I'm including the = Nothing 
statement, but I'm sure I'll hear, "Why did you bother..."

Just curious more than anything else. :)

Susan H.


> Hi Susan
>
> Yes. Why not? It may not do much, but it doesn't hurt and is a good habit.
>
> /gustav
> When referencing a Reference object, do any of you bother with
>
> Set ref = Nothing


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 10:06:02 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:06:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing
References: <sb7acf62.037@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <226D728AD0F24FA3B7A6FFCE9EE13E3F@SusanOne>


> Well, you bother because you wish to educate the interested reader by 
> sharing your experience. The sloppy readers writing sloppy code will 
> continue to do so. I would just ignore their complaints.

=======I'm very lucky -- most people are nice and I don't mind the 
occasional complaint -- sometimes they're actually right. :)

Susan H. 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Feb 16 10:02:23 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:02:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <4b79b0be.0707d00a.4e06.ffffd5a5@mx.google.com>
References: <008401caae58$0556cc50$100464f0$@spb.ru>	<E23469577DE14945BA34F5B8BC04C50F@jislaptopdev>	<009801caae73$1bba59b0$532f0d10$@spb.ru>	<4b79a645.0506d00a.4919.5eeb@mx.google.com><009a01caae7c$c7056e00$55104a00$@spb.ru>
	<4b79b0be.0707d00a.4e06.ffffd5a5@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <171E42DCE2DF41B3A9165730E99108FD@jislaptopdev>

Shamil

1. setup went well but I question why you choose to deploy this to a private 
folder rather than the Addins standard
    it defaulted to my private application data directory
2. should have an uninstall option on the setup.exe or as a separate exe
3. must be a means to cancel a Backup in progress
4. absolutely NO automatic backing up of linked tables allowed
    selectable option possible but I'd never use it
5. program hung on trying to export network linked table
6. 14,288 kb after compact & before running backup
    17,180 after running backup & hanging
    14,288 after compact
7. should be a means to easily configure the toolbar on install so it 
doesn't automatically take up a line of its own
    I know I can fix this manually but you can do better :)
8. as Max said " Needs a bit  on hand-holding."

...overall more than I expected for a first go :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max (MGA)" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:37 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

> Aha!
>
> Got it, didn't realise it was on the menu bars.  Sorry..duh.
>
> Ok, runs ok but  not enough explanation of what is happening and what to
> expect. Backup and  Restore seemed to go  ok but "how would I know"? 
> Needs
> a bit  on hand-holding.
>
> No options to choose how tables should be  exported  (csv, xls, xml, 
> data).
> I like the "plain data" that is good - ideal for pasting into Word etc.  I
> will put that into my RemoteEatBloat program.
>
> Therefore, no option on which format to use to restore the tables.
>
> But, ran well, no problems that I could see.
>
> I will now run it  on a "problem" mdb and report back.
>
> Thanks very much - excellent job
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 15 February 2010 20:24
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Max --
>
> Please have a look:
>
> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/apce.jpg
>
> This is Access 2007.
> I tested also with Access 2003 - and that was not my development PC - and 
> I
> have got PowerTools CommandBar there.
>
> Please note that for MS Access 2003 CommandBar is getting visible only 
> when
> you have a database opened.
>
> Please note also that you have to run setup.exe - if you used
> [Right-Click]->[Install] with .msi file from setup kit it could not work
> properly.
>
> I must say I only tested large setup first on my three systems: Vista, XP
> and Windows Server 2003 - and that worked OK.
> After large setup installed/deinstalled small one worked OK also.
>
> Still learning "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" setup features - setup
> package is created by this tool "automagically" (and worked well here on
> three systems) - there could be some "blues" with it I expect - let's find
> them together...
>
> One can also ask/look at Add-In Express support forum
> (http://www.add-in-express.com/forum/index.php) - there are quite some 
> info
> there and discussions are quite active - and they are positive mainly, 
> btw,
> Andrei Smolin, you can find there is a former AccessD member (10+ years
> ago)...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Shamil,
>
> I have installed it (the small version) as Administrator but it does not
> appear anywhere.  The Addins is empty.
>
> Where does it store it?
>
> FYI: I have both 2007 and 2003 installed but I use mainly 2003.
>
> In A2k3 the addin manager points to: Max/Appdata/Roaming/Microsoft/addins
>
> Thanks
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 15 February 2010 19:15
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> TIA, William,
>
> I have also put both zip archives on this page:
>
> http://northwind.codeplex.com/releases/view/26600
>
> in the end of the list of available downloads.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> P.S. Closing my working day here now - it's 10:13PM....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:03 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Shamil
>
> ...I've dl'd the small zip ...I'm at a client's right now so it will be
> tonight before I get a look at it ...let you know then how it went.
>
> ...whatever the results, many thanks for the time and skills you (and 
> others
>
> here) have put into this already ...this is why I call AccessD home.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:00 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
>> Hi Max, William et al,
>>
>> Here it's - "Access PowerTools Add-in v.0.0.1" setup:
>>
>> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215.zip
>> (~30MB)
>>
> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215_Small.zip
>> (~2MB)
>>
>> The first one has dotNetFx inside, the second one doesn't.
>> For a system with .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 installed second one (small)
>> setup
>> should work fine.
>> Test databases are included in both archives in \TestDatabases subfolder.
>>
>> When installed add-in adds small "PowerTools" CommandBar with three text
>> buttons for Access 2000 - 2003, and a small "PowerTools" ribbon tab for
>> Access 2007 (2010).
>> For Access 2000 - 2003 commandbar is visible only if a db is opened.
>> For MS Access 2007 Ribbon is visible even without any databases opened...
>>
>> As I noted in my earlier postings here this version is just a proof of
>> concept - and it seems to be a good enough proof.
>>
>> Please read short readme in the archive before running setup.
>>
>> I'm "all ears" now listening for your, Max, William's and all AccessD
>> community feedback - all and every comments are very welcome...
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:53 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>>
>> Hi Shamil,
>>
>> If I export with this...(showing variables as example)
>>
>> app.ExportXML ObjectType:=acExportTable, _
>> DataSource:=strObj, _
>> DataTarget:=strTarget & strObj & ".xml", _
>> SchemaTarget:=strObj & "Schema.xml"
>>
>> I can retrieve with this...(showing actual names as  example)
>>
>> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\Accounts.xml",
>> acStructureAndData
>> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\AccountTypes.xml",
>> acStructureAndData
>>
>> BUT if there  is any errors then  it does not write to the app.  This
>> means
>> when I was testing the above and getting errors as I tested it, no tables
>> were pulled in.  Once  there were no errors then all tables came in.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: 15 February 2010 09:32
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>>
>> Hi Max, William, whoever else who follows this thread et al,
>>
>> I'm wrapping Add-In setup and I'm testing it here - so far so good -
>> almost
>> all works fine - I have just found one issue:
>>
>> - .ImportXml does create tables structure OK but doesn't import data nor
>> when used in C# Automation mode, nor when running within COM-Add-In. I
>> have
>> tried both .ImportXMl options - structure and data or append data...
>>
>> Is it a known bug/feature? (when running .ImportXml of the same file from
>> within VBA it works OK).
>>
>> I'm currently using MS Access 2007.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:32 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - 
>> Create
>
>> a
>> NEW DB and populate with objects.
>>
>> Thanks Shamil,
>>
>> I look forward to your development.
>>
>> In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:
>>
>>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>>                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>>                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>>
>> should it be:
>>
>>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>>
>> Max
>>
>> <<< snip >>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb 16 10:09:21 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:09:21 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002151254v6cb03924g25028f47e9a28223@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.40625.1266266303.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<7c7841601002151254v6cb03924g25028f47e9a28223@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002701caaf22$67adc230$37094690$@spb.ru>

Hi Ken --

OK. Yes, that would have been A2K, which wasn't able to handle the issue - I
was also quite a bit disappointed with it keeping some bugs coming from
Access 97...

Thank you.

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23

> Shamil Salakhetdinov:
> Hi Ken --
> <<<
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText does NOT:
> b) Reset the form lifetime control count limit
> >>>
> Are you talking about ItemSuffix property value?
>
> Version =20
> VersionRequired =20
> Checksum =97318316
> Begin Form
>    DividingLines = NotDefault
>    AllowDesignChanges = NotDefault
>    DefaultView =0
> ....
>    ItemSuffix =1
> ...
>
> I have just played with it (user backup/restore of
Access.PowerTools.Add-In
> + manual edit of ItemSuffix back and force etc.) - it can be set to any
> value for MS Access 2007 (Access 2003 db format)  forms- and MS Access
> gracefully skips (increases) ItemSuffix value if is already occupied..
>
> Am I missing something?
> Do you mean there exists another counter?
>

Shamil,

That's the one. I'm glad to hear the manual reset and control suffixing work
well in A2007.

My experience in A2K was not positive, but it was with a gigantic form that
has probably been around since Access 95.

The ItemSuffix reset would be a nice addition to EatBloat. But, I would
suggest making it optional. If people have problems with the result, allow
them to run it without.

-Ken
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 10:12:36 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:12:36 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
In-Reply-To: <002701caaf22$67adc230$37094690$@spb.ru>
References: <mailman.40625.1266266303.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>	<7c7841601002151254v6cb03924g25028f47e9a28223@mail.gmail.com>
	<002701caaf22$67adc230$37094690$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4b7ac431.0a04d00a.69ea.5cdf@mx.google.com>

Hi,

I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right
justified.

This won't do the trick...

strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal

Varying values give varying spacing.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Max




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Feb 16 10:29:32 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:29:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Email - Attachments
In-Reply-To: <4B76D4BF.3040700@nanaimo.ark.com>
References: <4B76C973.7080408@nanaimo.ark.com>
	<E240E38E6A76496D8E474398BAB6ED0F@danwaters>
	<4B76D4BF.3040700@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E3656BEBD@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

You can get a license for the redemption dll and use that.  Its object model allows for attachments and it doesn't require outlook.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Email - Attachments

Hey Dan
Thanks
Duh (to myself)??? I have been using ShellExecute to open up the user's 
EMailer, found you cannot use attachments.  What I am kind of looking at 
is simply opening their Emailer (generic) and automatically filling in 
the information for them, they can manually send it.

I was kind of hoping that I could simply do this without making it 
Outlook specific etc.
I will keep your info for further reference.


Dan Waters wrote:

>Hi Tony,
>
>This part of what I use:
>
>Set outApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
>Set outMail = outApp.CreateItem(olMailItem)
>
>With outMail
>
>    If stgAttachmentList <> "" Then
>        Do While stgAttachmentList <> ""
>            If InStr(stgAttachmentList, ";") <> 0 Then
>                .Attachments.Add Left(stgAttachmentList,
>InStr(stgAttachmentList, ";") - 1)
>                stgAttachmentList = Mid(stgAttachmentList,
>InStr(stgAttachmentList, ";") + 1)
>            Else
>                .Attachments.Add stgAttachmentList
>                stgAttachmentList = ""
>            End If
>        Loop
>    End If
>    
>End With
>
>This is part of a procedure which handles all Outlook emails.  I pass in the
>stgAttachmentList, which is a string of one or more full paths to the files
>I want to attach, and I've separated each path with a semicolon.
>
>Should work!
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
>Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:47 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Email - Attachments
>
>Hey All
>I know this has been discussed many times. But I was wondering if there 
>was simple code available to send an EMail with several attachments.  I 
>have been using some clean old code that Shamil  and I discussed years 
>ago.  It detects the user's EMailer and opens it up. You can automate 
>the  MailTo,  Subject and Body text, but you cannot automate the ability 
>to add attachments. Works like a beauty and because it was only one 
>converted PDF file at a time, the user didn't mind manually adding an 
>attachment.  But now we have a to send a series of quarterly reports.
>
>Thanks
>  
>

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Feb 16 10:30:14 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:30:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <002701caaf22$67adc230$37094690$@spb.ru>
References: <mailman.40625.1266266303.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><7c7841601002151254v6cb03924g25028f47e9a28223@mail.gmail.com>
	<002701caaf22$67adc230$37094690$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <E012E63308D74BBAAFE9DD02BABDB851@jislaptopdev>

Shamil

...am I correctly reading this to mean you can reset the lifetime form 
controls limit in the Access Power Tools addin?
...if so, will you do this automatically or as an option?

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:09 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23

> Hi Ken --
>
> OK. Yes, that would have been A2K, which wasn't able to handle the issue - 
> I
> was also quite a bit disappointed with it keeping some bugs coming from
> Access 97...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:55 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
>
>> Shamil Salakhetdinov:
>> Hi Ken --
>> <<<
>> SaveAsText/LoadFromText does NOT:
>> b) Reset the form lifetime control count limit
>> >>>
>> Are you talking about ItemSuffix property value?
>>
>> Version =20
>> VersionRequired =20
>> Checksum =97318316
>> Begin Form
>>    DividingLines = NotDefault
>>    AllowDesignChanges = NotDefault
>>    DefaultView =0
>> ....
>>    ItemSuffix =1
>> ...
>>
>> I have just played with it (user backup/restore of
> Access.PowerTools.Add-In
>> + manual edit of ItemSuffix back and force etc.) - it can be set to any
>> value for MS Access 2007 (Access 2003 db format)  forms- and MS Access
>> gracefully skips (increases) ItemSuffix value if is already occupied..
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>> Do you mean there exists another counter?
>>
>
> Shamil,
>
> That's the one. I'm glad to hear the manual reset and control suffixing 
> work
> well in A2007.
>
> My experience in A2K was not positive, but it was with a gigantic form 
> that
> has probably been around since Access 95.
>
> The ItemSuffix reset would be a nice addition to EatBloat. But, I would
> suggest making it optional. If people have problems with the result, allow
> them to run it without.
>
> -Ken
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Feb 16 10:32:58 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:32:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
In-Reply-To: <4b7ac431.0a04d00a.69ea.5cdf@mx.google.com>
References: <mailman.40625.1266266303.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>	<7c7841601002151254v6cb03924g25028f47e9a28223@mail.gmail.com><002701caaf22$67adc230$37094690$@spb.ru>
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Max

http://www.lebans.com/justicombo.htm
hth

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:12 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

> Hi,
>
> I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right
> justified.
>
> This won't do the trick...
>
> strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
> strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal
>
> Varying values give varying spacing.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> Max
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Feb 16 10:37:58 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:37:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing
In-Reply-To: <CC1491CA2BF3420CAD5860447B829C9F@SusanOne>
References: <CC1491CA2BF3420CAD5860447B829C9F@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E3656BEC6@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

Where, Susan?  If you've finished with it, it's good practice to take out the trash.  The catch with By Ref is that if you're going to use it later, make sure you don't set it to nothing until you dispose of its container.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:00 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing

When referencing a Reference object, do any of you bother with 

Set ref = Nothing

????

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Feb 16 10:42:15 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:42:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
In-Reply-To: <4b7ac431.0a04d00a.69ea.5cdf@mx.google.com>
References: <mailman.40625.1266266303.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
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Oh, the memories this exercise brings back! Start with a fixed width font.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Hi,

I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right
justified.

This won't do the trick...

strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal

Varying values give varying spacing.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Max


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 10:46:19 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:46:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing
References: <sb7acf62.037@cactus.dk>
	<4b7ac1fe.0508d00a.3b4e.fffff1cb@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <FDFFAA68830D453BA3593889B97C2A83@SusanOne>

Well, that's the thing... is it really sloppy? Now, we know that Recordsets 
and other objects can cause cleanup problems. But a reference object? It's 
so obscure and rarely used -- I've never heard of it being a problem. That 
doesn't mean it can't be, just not sure it is either. However, setting it to 
Nothing cost nothing. :) But I can easily see some "genius" complaining that 
I obviously don't know what I'm talking about because it's not necessary to 
cleanup after a Reference object because...

Susan H.


> Or better still, tell them they are writing sloppy code and refer them to
> Gustav...
>
> Max



From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb 16 10:53:35 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:53:35 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
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Thank you, Max!

I have got published Access.PowerTools project on CodePlex -
http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/.
All the issues you noted on are listed in this project Issue Tracker -
http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/WorkItem/List.aspx 

Everybody here are very welcome to try this Add-In software, and to post
your feedback here or on project discussion area
http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/Thread/List.aspx (everybody registered
to CodePlex and logged-in can comment on its projects, participate in
discussions etc.)

Thank you.

--
Shamil 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Aha!

Got it, didn't realise it was on the menu bars.  Sorry..duh.  

Ok, runs ok but  not enough explanation of what is happening and what to
expect. Backup and  Restore seemed to go  ok but "how would I know"?  Needs
a bit  on hand-holding.

No options to choose how tables should be  exported  (csv, xls, xml, data).
I like the "plain data" that is good - ideal for pasting into Word etc.  I
will put that into my RemoteEatBloat program.

Therefore, no option on which format to use to restore the tables.

But, ran well, no problems that I could see.

I will now run it  on a "problem" mdb and report back.

Thanks very much - excellent job

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 15 February 2010 20:24
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Hi Max --

Please have a look:

http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/apce.jpg

This is Access 2007.
I tested also with Access 2003 - and that was not my development PC - and I
have got PowerTools CommandBar there.

Please note that for MS Access 2003 CommandBar is getting visible only when
you have a database opened.

Please note also that you have to run setup.exe - if you used
[Right-Click]->[Install] with .msi file from setup kit it could not work
properly.

I must say I only tested large setup first on my three systems: Vista, XP
and Windows Server 2003 - and that worked OK.
After large setup installed/deinstalled small one worked OK also.

Still learning "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" setup features - setup
package is created by this tool "automagically" (and worked well here on
three systems) - there could be some "blues" with it I expect - let's find
them together...

One can also ask/look at Add-In Express support forum
(http://www.add-in-express.com/forum/index.php) - there are quite some info
there and discussions are quite active - and they are positive mainly, btw,
Andrei Smolin, you can find there is a former AccessD member (10+ years
ago)...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

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From jedi at charm.net  Tue Feb 16 10:57:00 2010
From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:57:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing
In-Reply-To: <FDFFAA68830D453BA3593889B97C2A83@SusanOne>
References: <sb7acf62.037@cactus.dk>
	<4b7ac1fe.0508d00a.3b4e.fffff1cb@mx.google.com>
	<FDFFAA68830D453BA3593889B97C2A83@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <1661.24.35.23.165.1266339420.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>

Isn't this one of those "bugs" that can cause Access **not** to close
sometimes?

Mike...

> Well, that's the thing... is it really sloppy? Now, we know that
> Recordsets
> and other objects can cause cleanup problems. But a reference object? It's
> so obscure and rarely used -- I've never heard of it being a problem. That
> doesn't mean it can't be, just not sure it is either. However, setting it
> to
> Nothing cost nothing. :) But I can easily see some "genius" complaining
> that
> I obviously don't know what I'm talking about because it's not necessary
> to
> cleanup after a Reference object because...
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> Or better still, tell them they are writing sloppy code and refer them
>> to
>> Gustav...
>>
>> Max
>
> --
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>




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb 16 11:08:15 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:08:15 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
	Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002151320m16fb9a54vcc63b84fa65fa58b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841601002151320m16fb9a54vcc63b84fa65fa58b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003901caaf2a$a208bf90$e61a3eb0$@spb.ru>

<<<
This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.
>>>
Hi Ken --

You are welcome to implement this functionality as an Access.PowerTools
plug-in in one of its future releases if you plan this your tool to be
shared on MIT license basis...

AFAIKR I have had a discussion here on AccessD or on Access-L(?) quite some
time ago - I cannot find it on Internet, which was called "Getting sources
from MS Access MDE". The issue was that one of the developers lost their
source mdb, and they didn't have resources to purchase a tool
extracting/recreating forms' and reports' designs out of mde. And that time
I had written a small tool mdb, which did run subject .mde in Automation
mode, did open all its forms and reports, and did get forms' and reports'
design out of that mde recreated form by form, report by report, control by
control - that could have been in some parts similar to your code but I must
say I can't find its sources now - they are buried somewhere on my old
disconnected HDDs - that code was just creating forms and reports in VBA,
extracting their properties by iterating properties collections of
forms/reports sections and controls, creating target forms'/reports'
sections and controls and assigning properties' values using .add property -
something like that relatively simple but efficient - and it did the job
well...

And I was unaware that time that solution was much closer - as undocumented
.SaveAsText feature could have got forms', reports', and macros designs out
of .mdes: Access.PoweTools can do that now - just a side effect/benefit
feature of this tool.

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
Issue 23

Some background on my code, which I called DBRepair:

I developed it to clean up a stubbornly corrupted database for a company I
previously worked for, and the principals are uncomfortable with the idea of
open-sourcing it.

However, if I completely rewrote the code under .NET, that would remove any
proprietary restrictions.

This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.

-Ken
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb 16 11:13:35 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:13:35 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing
In-Reply-To: <C60C52660BCA433C8B3B7BF9D05873D4@XPS>
References: <CC1491CA2BF3420CAD5860447B829C9F@SusanOne>
	<C60C52660BCA433C8B3B7BF9D05873D4@XPS>
Message-ID: <003a01caaf2b$60d70800$22851800$@spb.ru>

Hi Jim,

<<<
Always a good idea to clean up after yourself.
>>>
Yes.

<<<
At least in the case of Access, you can't always 
count on it to do the job for you.  
>>>
Well, in fact setting ref to Nothing is only needed for the case of
cross-referenced object instances but to be 100% sure you didn't miss to
handle such a case use settings to Nothing everywhere - it does cost that
much, and it can save your hair...

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 6:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing


  Always.  Also do this:


  On Error resume next

  If not rstMyRecordSet is nothing then
    rstMyRecordSet.Close
    Set rstMyRecordSet = Nothing
  End If

  Always a good idea to clean up after yourself.  At least in the case of
Access, you can't always count on it to do the job for you.  

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:00 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing

When referencing a Reference object, do any of you bother with 

Set ref = Nothing

????

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 11:15:06 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:15:06 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing
In-Reply-To: <FDFFAA68830D453BA3593889B97C2A83@SusanOne>
References: <sb7acf62.037@cactus.dk>	<4b7ac1fe.0508d00a.3b4e.fffff1cb@mx.google.com>
	<FDFFAA68830D453BA3593889B97C2A83@SusanOne>
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Well, afaik declaring an object in a  function/sub means that it will go out
of scope when that function/sub is closed and declaring it at module level
means it will go out of scope once the  last function/sub in that module is
accessed/used.

IOW, it destroys itself - theoretically.  Good  programming is about not
relying on theory but  on making sure!

Remember the spaceship that crashed because of a missing comma (in ADA I
believe). No, me neither, but sounds good,  eh?

Regardless, however,  Gustav sorts me out tout suite!

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 16 February 2010 16:46
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing

Well, that's the thing... is it really sloppy? Now, we know that Recordsets 
and other objects can cause cleanup problems. But a reference object? It's 
so obscure and rarely used -- I've never heard of it being a problem. That 
doesn't mean it can't be, just not sure it is either. However, setting it to

Nothing cost nothing. :) But I can easily see some "genius" complaining that

I obviously don't know what I'm talking about because it's not necessary to 
cleanup after a Reference object because...

Susan H.


> Or better still, tell them they are writing sloppy code and refer them to
> Gustav...
>
> Max

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From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 11:21:47 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:21:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
Message-ID: <7c7841601002160921n3a14c5b2p55b20ded6085e278@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Rocky Smolin:
> I have an error report from an mde compiled in A2K3 but the client appears
> to be running it with Access 2010.  The error is 'Error 561 - Internal
> Error'.  Can't find out anything about this error.  The version of the mde
> they're running is a few minor releases back and is solid.  So I'm thinking
> this is a 2010 related problem.  Any clues?
>

Check your VBA project references. This sounds exactly like the error I got
when added a cdosys.dll reference to send email over SMTP.

If you have a reference checker built-in to your code, run it and it may
show the broken reference. Otherwise, plunk a development mdb on the
machine, and see if any references are missing/broken.

-Ken


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 11:27:34 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:27:34 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing
In-Reply-To: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E3656BEC6@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
References: <CC1491CA2BF3420CAD5860447B829C9F@SusanOne>
	<AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E3656BEC6@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <4b7ad58a.1c05d00a.23fd.ffffdee2@mx.google.com>

Good point that.

Nothing it in the same place you instantiated it.

2p..

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 16 February 2010 16:38
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing

Where, Susan?  If you've finished with it, it's good practice to take out
the trash.  The catch with By Ref is that if you're going to use it later,
make sure you don't set it to nothing until you dispose of its container.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:00 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing

When referencing a Reference object, do any of you bother with 

Set ref = Nothing

????

Susan H. 
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From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 11:28:03 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:28:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Setting objects to Nothing
Message-ID: <7c7841601002160928j63872537mec4456aeabe58aef@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Heenan, Lambert:
> I concur. Way not as it is so little effort. Now if VB/VBA had garbage
> collection the point would be moot. But then that puts you in .NET land.
>

But VBA does have garbage collection -- it is reference-counter garbage
collection. When the number of references to an object reaches 0, the object
is destroyed.

That's why setting object references to nothing is good practice -- you are
indicating at the soonest possible moment when resources taken by objects
may be freed.

Of course, VBA de-references your object variables once the routine you
defined them in exits, so in practice you can be fairly sloppy. The only
problems are global objects, and objects that have circular references - A
points to B, and B points to A. A and B will never be garbage collected
while the program runs, thus the need for explicit de-referencing.

-Ken


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb 16 11:32:50 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:32:50 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <171E42DCE2DF41B3A9165730E99108FD@jislaptopdev>
References: <008401caae58$0556cc50$100464f0$@spb.ru>	<E23469577DE14945BA34F5B8BC04C50F@jislaptopdev>	<009801caae73$1bba59b0$532f0d10$@spb.ru>	<4b79a645.0506d00a.4919.5eeb@mx.google.com><009a01caae7c$c7056e00$55104a00$@spb.ru>	<4b79b0be.0707d00a.4e06.ffffd5a5@mx.google.com>
	<171E42DCE2DF41B3A9165730E99108FD@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <003b01caaf2e$114daca0$33e905e0$@spb.ru>

Hi William,

Thank you for your feedback.
All the issues you mentioned are now posted on the Access.PowerTools project
Issue Tracker area (http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/WorkItem/List.aspx
).

Please comment more, please vote for the features you wanted to have
implemented first of all - and you'll get them :)
Everybody are welcome to do that testing and commenting and voting...

<<<
...overall more than I expected for a first go :)
>>>
Thank you. I must say I also didn't expect that :) ...
... that I'd have invested that much efforts in it - but it went smoothly
from the very begining, and it was all my pleasure to make it over last
weekend's evenings, and this Monday...

I will collect and I will organize yours and others feedback now, and I will
be planning and implementing a new release to be developed and released
somewhere one month from today/end of March this year...

Thank you for your help and support.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Shamil

1. setup went well but I question why you choose to deploy this to a private

folder rather than the Addins standard
    it defaulted to my private application data directory
2. should have an uninstall option on the setup.exe or as a separate exe
3. must be a means to cancel a Backup in progress
4. absolutely NO automatic backing up of linked tables allowed
    selectable option possible but I'd never use it
5. program hung on trying to export network linked table
6. 14,288 kb after compact & before running backup
    17,180 after running backup & hanging
    14,288 after compact
7. should be a means to easily configure the toolbar on install so it 
doesn't automatically take up a line of its own
    I know I can fix this manually but you can do better :)
8. as Max said " Needs a bit  on hand-holding."

...overall more than I expected for a first go :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max (MGA)" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:37 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

> Aha!
>
> Got it, didn't realise it was on the menu bars.  Sorry..duh.
>
> Ok, runs ok but  not enough explanation of what is happening and what to
> expect. Backup and  Restore seemed to go  ok but "how would I know"? 
> Needs
> a bit  on hand-holding.
>
> No options to choose how tables should be  exported  (csv, xls, xml, 
> data).
> I like the "plain data" that is good - ideal for pasting into Word etc.  I
> will put that into my RemoteEatBloat program.
>
> Therefore, no option on which format to use to restore the tables.
>
> But, ran well, no problems that I could see.
>
> I will now run it  on a "problem" mdb and report back.
>
> Thanks very much - excellent job
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 15 February 2010 20:24
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Max --
>
> Please have a look:
>
> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/apce.jpg
>
> This is Access 2007.
> I tested also with Access 2003 - and that was not my development PC - and 
> I
> have got PowerTools CommandBar there.
>
> Please note that for MS Access 2003 CommandBar is getting visible only 
> when
> you have a database opened.
>
> Please note also that you have to run setup.exe - if you used
> [Right-Click]->[Install] with .msi file from setup kit it could not work
> properly.
>
> I must say I only tested large setup first on my three systems: Vista, XP
> and Windows Server 2003 - and that worked OK.
> After large setup installed/deinstalled small one worked OK also.
>
> Still learning "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" setup features - setup
> package is created by this tool "automagically" (and worked well here on
> three systems) - there could be some "blues" with it I expect - let's find
> them together...
>
> One can also ask/look at Add-In Express support forum
> (http://www.add-in-express.com/forum/index.php) - there are quite some 
> info
> there and discussions are quite active - and they are positive mainly, 
> btw,
> Andrei Smolin, you can find there is a former AccessD member (10+ years
> ago)...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Shamil,
>
> I have installed it (the small version) as Administrator but it does not
> appear anywhere.  The Addins is empty.
>
> Where does it store it?
>
> FYI: I have both 2007 and 2003 installed but I use mainly 2003.
>
> In A2k3 the addin manager points to: Max/Appdata/Roaming/Microsoft/addins
>
> Thanks
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 15 February 2010 19:15
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> TIA, William,
>
> I have also put both zip archives on this page:
>
> http://northwind.codeplex.com/releases/view/26600
>
> in the end of the list of available downloads.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> P.S. Closing my working day here now - it's 10:13PM....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:03 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Shamil
>
> ...I've dl'd the small zip ...I'm at a client's right now so it will be
> tonight before I get a look at it ...let you know then how it went.
>
> ...whatever the results, many thanks for the time and skills you (and 
> others
>
> here) have put into this already ...this is why I call AccessD home.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:00 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
>> Hi Max, William et al,
>>
>> Here it's - "Access PowerTools Add-in v.0.0.1" setup:
>>
>> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215.zip
>> (~30MB)
>>
>
http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/Access.PowerTools.Setup.20100215_Small.zip
>> (~2MB)
>>
>> The first one has dotNetFx inside, the second one doesn't.
>> For a system with .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 installed second one (small)
>> setup
>> should work fine.
>> Test databases are included in both archives in \TestDatabases subfolder.
>>
>> When installed add-in adds small "PowerTools" CommandBar with three text
>> buttons for Access 2000 - 2003, and a small "PowerTools" ribbon tab for
>> Access 2007 (2010).
>> For Access 2000 - 2003 commandbar is visible only if a db is opened.
>> For MS Access 2007 Ribbon is visible even without any databases opened...
>>
>> As I noted in my earlier postings here this version is just a proof of
>> concept - and it seems to be a good enough proof.
>>
>> Please read short readme in the archive before running setup.
>>
>> I'm "all ears" now listening for your, Max, William's and all AccessD
>> community feedback - all and every comments are very welcome...
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:53 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>>
>> Hi Shamil,
>>
>> If I export with this...(showing variables as example)
>>
>> app.ExportXML ObjectType:=acExportTable, _
>> DataSource:=strObj, _
>> DataTarget:=strTarget & strObj & ".xml", _
>> SchemaTarget:=strObj & "Schema.xml"
>>
>> I can retrieve with this...(showing actual names as  example)
>>
>> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\Accounts.xml",
>> acStructureAndData
>> app.ImportXML "C:\_MCM\ExportedAsText\Tables\AccountTypes.xml",
>> acStructureAndData
>>
>> BUT if there  is any errors then  it does not write to the app.  This
>> means
>> when I was testing the above and getting errors as I tested it, no tables
>> were pulled in.  Once  there were no errors then all tables came in.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: 15 February 2010 09:32
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>>
>> Hi Max, William, whoever else who follows this thread et al,
>>
>> I'm wrapping Add-In setup and I'm testing it here - so far so good -
>> almost
>> all works fine - I have just found one issue:
>>
>> - .ImportXml does create tables structure OK but doesn't import data nor
>> when used in C# Automation mode, nor when running within COM-Add-In. I
>> have
>> tried both .ImportXMl options - structure and data or append data...
>>
>> Is it a known bug/feature? (when running .ImportXml of the same file from
>> within VBA it works OK).
>>
>> I'm currently using MS Access 2007.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:32 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET - 
>> Create
>
>> a
>> NEW DB and populate with objects.
>>
>> Thanks Shamil,
>>
>> I look forward to your development.
>>
>> In your code, you missed the TARGET folder from  this code:
>>
>>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>>                              strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>>                              strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>>
>> should it be:
>>
>>                app.ExportXML acTable, _
>>                              rst![ObjectName].Value, _
>>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + ".xml", _
>>                              strTarget + strTargetFileName + "Schema.xml"
>>
>> Max
>>
>> <<< snip >>>
>>
>>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 11:34:55 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:34:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
Message-ID: <7c7841601002160934v49a63a7bme5dbb2fc1bce2bea@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Hindman:
> ...am I correctly reading this to mean you can reset the lifetime form
> controls limit in the Access Power Tools addin?
> ...if so, will you do this automatically or as an option?
>

I think that it works, but results will vary depending on version. It sounds
like it works fine in 2007, but not for some situations in 2000. I am
strongly suggesting it be optional. It should default to yes.

-Ken


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Feb 16 11:35:07 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:35:07 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
Message-ID: <sb7ae57b.038@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

If you use the font MS Sans Serif for the listbox (goes for a combobox as well), you can use a recordsource like this:

  SELECT 
    SomeField,
    Format([AmountMin], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMin])-Abs([AmountMin]>1000)) & "#,##0") AS SMin, 
    Format([AmountMax], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMax])-Abs([AmountMax]>1000)) & "#,##0") AS SMax
  FROM 
    YourTable
  ORDER BY 
    SomeField;

This takes advantage of the fact that space and dot and comma for this font consume half a "space" while digits consume a full "space".
Not very fancy but it works.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 16-02-2010 17:12 >>>
Hi,

I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right justified.

This won't do the trick...

strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal

Varying values give varying spacing.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Max




From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 11:44:29 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:44:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
Message-ID: <7c7841601002160944r594994ebu3365efd0ac25cc56@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Max (MGA):
> I have a similar problem but it is because  of a corrupt  form.  Therefore
> RemoteEATbloat bombs out.  If I remove the offending form, it will compact
> ok.
> So, my question is, with your problem mdb is the problem the form or
> EatBloat? Trying to pin down what else I can do to improve it.
>

Now I see what you're driving at.

The form is not corrupt in the sense that it doesn't work, or can't be
loaded. It functions fine. It is huge.

And, EatBloat (SaveAsText/LoadFromText) works fine on the problem form -- no
errors, and the form is OK. It just doesn't fix the bloat problem. Edit the
problem form 2 or 3 times after EatBloat, and the database quadruples in
size. This is even for trivial changes, like moving a control, or modifying
a single line in code.

The only conclusion I can reach is that, on A2K, there are certain bloat
problems that SaveAsText/LoadFromText can't fix.

-Ken


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb 16 11:45:29 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:45:29 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <E012E63308D74BBAAFE9DD02BABDB851@jislaptopdev>
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Hi William --

I suppose I can add that feature as an option in the new release.

For the current release version I have just played with it in Access 2007
and test mdb:

- open test mdb;
- create a new form;
- throw a few controls on form;
- save form;
- run Access.PowerTools backup to get form's text definition;
- edit form's text definition and change ItemSuffix to any value, say 1 or
300 or 1503;
- save edited text;
- run Access.PowerTools restore to get edited form's text definition loaded;
- open form in design mode;
- throw new control on form;
- see how Access 2007 (and Access2003?) smoothly handles control name
default suffix; 

The same as above steps sequence works for existing forms.

I have added this feature to the project Issue Tracker area:

http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/WorkItem/View.aspx?WorkItemId=15 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23

Shamil

...am I correctly reading this to mean you can reset the lifetime form 
controls limit in the Access Power Tools addin?
...if so, will you do this automatically or as an option?

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:09 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23

> Hi Ken --
>
> OK. Yes, that would have been A2K, which wasn't able to handle the issue -

> I
> was also quite a bit disappointed with it keeping some bugs coming from
> Access 97...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:55 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
>
>> Shamil Salakhetdinov:
>> Hi Ken --
>> <<<
>> SaveAsText/LoadFromText does NOT:
>> b) Reset the form lifetime control count limit
>> >>>
>> Are you talking about ItemSuffix property value?
>>
>> Version =20
>> VersionRequired =20
>> Checksum =97318316
>> Begin Form
>>    DividingLines = NotDefault
>>    AllowDesignChanges = NotDefault
>>    DefaultView =0
>> ....
>>    ItemSuffix =1
>> ...
>>
>> I have just played with it (user backup/restore of
> Access.PowerTools.Add-In
>> + manual edit of ItemSuffix back and force etc.) - it can be set to any
>> value for MS Access 2007 (Access 2003 db format)  forms- and MS Access
>> gracefully skips (increases) ItemSuffix value if is already occupied..
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>> Do you mean there exists another counter?
>>
>
> Shamil,
>
> That's the one. I'm glad to hear the manual reset and control suffixing 
> work
> well in A2007.
>
> My experience in A2K was not positive, but it was with a gigantic form 
> that
> has probably been around since Access 95.
>
> The ItemSuffix reset would be a nice addition to EatBloat. But, I would
> suggest making it optional. If people have problems with the result, allow
> them to run it without.
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 11:46:44 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:46:44 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
In-Reply-To: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E3656BECD@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
References: <mailman.40625.1266266303.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>	<7c7841601002151254v6cb03924g25028f47e9a28223@mail.gmail.com>	<002701caaf22$67adc230$37094690$@spb.ru>	<4b7ac431.0a04d00a.69ea.5cdf@mx.google.com>
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Thanks Charlotte.

I have tried Courier - awful. Courier New - awful.

Any suggestions?

Max


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 16 February 2010 16:42
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Oh, the memories this exercise brings back! Start with a fixed width font.

Charlotte Foust

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Hi,

I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right
justified.

This won't do the trick...

strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal

Varying values give varying spacing.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Max


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Feb 16 11:56:53 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:56:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
In-Reply-To: <4b7ada09.1c05d00a.28c8.ffffef12@mx.google.com>
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Try Consolas - it's designed for an IDE code window.

Dan

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Thanks Charlotte.

I have tried Courier - awful. Courier New - awful.

Any suggestions?

Max


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 16 February 2010 16:42
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Oh, the memories this exercise brings back! Start with a fixed width font.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Hi,

I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right
justified.

This won't do the trick...

strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal

Varying values give varying spacing.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Max


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 12:01:43 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:01:43 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
In-Reply-To: <9603BAFE505C46C7AAD0E85A0CE275FB@danwaters>
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Getting there but not great due to size. Thanks

Max


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Sent: 16 February 2010 17:57
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Try Consolas - it's designed for an IDE code window.

Dan

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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Thanks Charlotte.

I have tried Courier - awful. Courier New - awful.

Any suggestions?

Max


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 16 February 2010 16:42
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Oh, the memories this exercise brings back! Start with a fixed width font.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Hi,

I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right
justified.

This won't do the trick...

strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal

Varying values give varying spacing.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 12:02:21 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:02:21 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
In-Reply-To: <sb7ae57b.038@cactus.dk>
References: <sb7ae57b.038@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4b7addb4.1818d00a.09bc.49ea@mx.google.com>

Thanks Gustav.

I will try that  later when I come back from the football match....evening
kickoff

Max


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 16 February 2010 17:35
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Hi Max

If you use the font MS Sans Serif for the listbox (goes for a combobox as
well), you can use a recordsource like this:

  SELECT 
    SomeField,
    Format([AmountMin], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMin])-Abs([AmountMin]>1000)) &
"#,##0") AS SMin, 
    Format([AmountMax], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMax])-Abs([AmountMax]>1000)) &
"#,##0") AS SMax
  FROM 
    YourTable
  ORDER BY 
    SomeField;

This takes advantage of the fact that space and dot and comma for this font
consume half a "space" while digits consume a full "space".
Not very fancy but it works.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 16-02-2010 17:12 >>>
Hi,

I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right
justified.

This won't do the trick...

strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal

Varying values give varying spacing.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Max


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 12:04:49 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:04:49 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002160944r594994ebu3365efd0ac25cc56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841601002160944r594994ebu3365efd0ac25cc56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b7ade48.1c07d00a.7e96.33e9@mx.google.com>

Would you like to try RemoteEatBloat and stick it into its own newly created
form and then see if that reduces it (auto compacts and repairs) so you can
see what size it is.

If it is reduced, then you could manually import it back into your main  mdb

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 16 February 2010 17:44
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23

>
> Max (MGA):
> I have a similar problem but it is because  of a corrupt  form.  Therefore
> RemoteEATbloat bombs out.  If I remove the offending form, it will compact
> ok.
> So, my question is, with your problem mdb is the problem the form or
> EatBloat? Trying to pin down what else I can do to improve it.
>

Now I see what you're driving at.

The form is not corrupt in the sense that it doesn't work, or can't be
loaded. It functions fine. It is huge.

And, EatBloat (SaveAsText/LoadFromText) works fine on the problem form -- no
errors, and the form is OK. It just doesn't fix the bloat problem. Edit the
problem form 2 or 3 times after EatBloat, and the database quadruples in
size. This is even for trivial changes, like moving a control, or modifying
a single line in code.

The only conclusion I can reach is that, on A2K, there are certain bloat
problems that SaveAsText/LoadFromText can't fix.

-Ken
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Feb 16 12:27:19 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:27:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
 Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <003901caaf2a$a208bf90$e61a3eb0$@spb.ru>
References: <7c7841601002151320m16fb9a54vcc63b84fa65fa58b@mail.gmail.com>
	<003901caaf2a$a208bf90$e61a3eb0$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <410E986A15A441AFBD07135C7E2DFDEB@XPS>

Shamil,

<<AFAIKR I have had a discussion here on AccessD or on Access-L(?) quite
some
time ago - I cannot find it on Internet, which was called "Getting sources
from MS Access MDE". >>

  I remember that.  Not sure if I have a copy anywhere here or not.  If I
find some free time latter, I'll look just for the heck of it.

  I remember at the time that everyone was shocked that you could pull stuff
from a MDE, but after you pointed out that only source code was stripped,
that it was still possible to get all the objects and their properties.
MDE's were relatively new and everyone had the concept stuck in their heads
that it was a DB that was locked up tight.

Jim.
  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol
84,Issue 23

<<<
This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.
>>>
Hi Ken --

You are welcome to implement this functionality as an Access.PowerTools
plug-in in one of its future releases if you plan this your tool to be
shared on MIT license basis...

AFAIKR I have had a discussion here on AccessD or on Access-L(?) quite some
time ago - I cannot find it on Internet, which was called "Getting sources
from MS Access MDE". The issue was that one of the developers lost their
source mdb, and they didn't have resources to purchase a tool
extracting/recreating forms' and reports' designs out of mde. And that time
I had written a small tool mdb, which did run subject .mde in Automation
mode, did open all its forms and reports, and did get forms' and reports'
design out of that mde recreated form by form, report by report, control by
control - that could have been in some parts similar to your code but I must
say I can't find its sources now - they are buried somewhere on my old
disconnected HDDs - that code was just creating forms and reports in VBA,
extracting their properties by iterating properties collections of
forms/reports sections and controls, creating target forms'/reports'
sections and controls and assigning properties' values using .add property -
something like that relatively simple but efficient - and it did the job
well...

And I was unaware that time that solution was much closer - as undocumented
.SaveAsText feature could have got forms', reports', and macros designs out
of .mdes: Access.PoweTools can do that now - just a side effect/benefit
feature of this tool.

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
Issue 23

Some background on my code, which I called DBRepair:

I developed it to clean up a stubbornly corrupted database for a company I
previously worked for, and the principals are uncomfortable with the idea of
open-sourcing it.

However, if I completely rewrote the code under .NET, that would remove any
proprietary restrictions.

This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.

-Ken
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From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 12:38:13 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:38:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
	Issue 23
Message-ID: <7c7841601002161038w222922d6u2631a1953dde603f@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Shamil Salakhetdinov:
> <<<
> This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
> problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.
> >>>
> Hi Ken --
> You are welcome to implement this functionality as an Access.PowerTools
> plug-in in one of its future releases if you plan this your tool to be
> shared on MIT license basis...
>

I am happy with the MIT license. I will download PowerTools and give it a
spin. There are a number of functions I would like to see, and this would be
a good vehicle.

And I was unaware that time that solution was much closer - as undocumented
> .SaveAsText feature could have got forms', reports', and macros designs out
> of .mdes: Access.PoweTools can do that now - just a side effect/benefit
> feature of this tool.
>

I just tested SaveAsText on an mde ... it doesn't work. Without researching
it, I recall that any of the VBA IDE methods of trying to get to the code on
an mde will fail, too.

Microsoft has the code in an mde pretty well locked up, but I hear it's not
impossible to reconstruct.

-Ken


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb 16 12:40:17 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:40:17 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
	Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <410E986A15A441AFBD07135C7E2DFDEB@XPS>
References: <7c7841601002151320m16fb9a54vcc63b84fa65fa58b@mail.gmail.com>	<003901caaf2a$a208bf90$e61a3eb0$@spb.ru>
	<410E986A15A441AFBD07135C7E2DFDEB@XPS>
Message-ID: <004f01caaf37$7d985dc0$78c91940$@spb.ru>

TIA, Jim,

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
Issue 23

Shamil,

<<AFAIKR I have had a discussion here on AccessD or on Access-L(?) quite
some
time ago - I cannot find it on Internet, which was called "Getting sources
from MS Access MDE". >>

  I remember that.  Not sure if I have a copy anywhere here or not.  If I
find some free time latter, I'll look just for the heck of it.

  I remember at the time that everyone was shocked that you could pull stuff
from a MDE, but after you pointed out that only source code was stripped,
that it was still possible to get all the objects and their properties.
MDE's were relatively new and everyone had the concept stuck in their heads
that it was a DB that was locked up tight.

Jim.
  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol
84,Issue 23

<<<
This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.
>>>
Hi Ken --

You are welcome to implement this functionality as an Access.PowerTools
plug-in in one of its future releases if you plan this your tool to be
shared on MIT license basis...

AFAIKR I have had a discussion here on AccessD or on Access-L(?) quite some
time ago - I cannot find it on Internet, which was called "Getting sources
from MS Access MDE". The issue was that one of the developers lost their
source mdb, and they didn't have resources to purchase a tool
extracting/recreating forms' and reports' designs out of mde. And that time
I had written a small tool mdb, which did run subject .mde in Automation
mode, did open all its forms and reports, and did get forms' and reports'
design out of that mde recreated form by form, report by report, control by
control - that could have been in some parts similar to your code but I must
say I can't find its sources now - they are buried somewhere on my old
disconnected HDDs - that code was just creating forms and reports in VBA,
extracting their properties by iterating properties collections of
forms/reports sections and controls, creating target forms'/reports'
sections and controls and assigning properties' values using .add property -
something like that relatively simple but efficient - and it did the job
well...

And I was unaware that time that solution was much closer - as undocumented
.SaveAsText feature could have got forms', reports', and macros designs out
of .mdes: Access.PoweTools can do that now - just a side effect/benefit
feature of this tool.

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
Issue 23

Some background on my code, which I called DBRepair:

I developed it to clean up a stubbornly corrupted database for a company I
previously worked for, and the principals are uncomfortable with the idea of
open-sourcing it.

However, if I completely rewrote the code under .NET, that would remove any
proprietary restrictions.

This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.

-Ken
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb 16 12:57:49 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:57:49 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
	Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002161038w222922d6u2631a1953dde603f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841601002161038w222922d6u2631a1953dde603f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005b01caaf39$f1101480$d3303d80$@spb.ru>

Thank you, Ken,

Please note that I plan to add a feature of supporting dynamic plug-ins in
v.0.0.3, which is currently planned to be released in the middle/end of
April this year. In the mean time you can use published source code to
develop your own plug-ins, which I can statically link to the release of
v.0.0.2 - middle/end of March this year - if you wish. While developing your
plug-ins you can use testing project Access.PowerTools.TestConsole to DUTDDA
(Develop Using Test-Driven Design & Automation) your own functionality to be
plugged-in later, or to just use it privately for your own purposes...

I didn't mean getting VBA code out of .mde by .saveastex - I did mean "just"
getting forms' and reports' designs, and macros...

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
Issue 23

>
> Shamil Salakhetdinov:
> <<<
> This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
> problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.
> >>>
> Hi Ken --
> You are welcome to implement this functionality as an Access.PowerTools
> plug-in in one of its future releases if you plan this your tool to be
> shared on MIT license basis...
>

I am happy with the MIT license. I will download PowerTools and give it a
spin. There are a number of functions I would like to see, and this would be
a good vehicle.

And I was unaware that time that solution was much closer - as undocumented
> .SaveAsText feature could have got forms', reports', and macros designs
out
> of .mdes: Access.PoweTools can do that now - just a side effect/benefit
> feature of this tool.
>

I just tested SaveAsText on an mde ... it doesn't work. Without researching
it, I recall that any of the VBA IDE methods of trying to get to the code on
an mde will fail, too.

Microsoft has the code in an mde pretty well locked up, but I hear it's not
impossible to reconstruct.

-Ken
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Feb 16 13:31:46 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:31:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
	Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <003901caaf2a$a208bf90$e61a3eb0$@spb.ru>
References: <7c7841601002151320m16fb9a54vcc63b84fa65fa58b@mail.gmail.com>
	<003901caaf2a$a208bf90$e61a3eb0$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <B2D3AD647CD84D57BDB11427018E9834@murphy3234aaf1>

Does this look familiar. From my archive.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Hey, hey...  I was just doing this for entertainment value!  I don't
advocate intellectual property theft, and I take no responsibility for the
misuse of this code.

Tune in next week for "How to synthesize plastic explosives from ordinary
household materials"

Brett Barabash, MCP
Tappe Construction, Co. 
Eagan, MN
bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com
(651) 256-6831

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."  -
Clarke's Third Law



-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 5:01 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting MDE


It's very hot Brett!

Shamil

P.S. But I think you'd better not have posted the code here to not have
severe problems with Redmond Police and migthy CIA agents mentioned by David
McAfee :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Barabash" <BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 1:34 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting MDE


> I just tried it here on my end, and I was shocked!  You can access all 
> of
an
> MDE's collections and properties via automation.  Here's an extremely
simple
> example:
>
> Public Sub MDEThief()
>
>     Dim objAcc As Access.Application
>     Dim frm As Form
>     Dim ctl As Control
>     Dim prp As Property
>
>     Set objAcc = New Access.Application
>     objAcc.OpenCurrentDatabase "c:\acc2k\mdetest.mde"
>
>     'In my MDE, I have a startup form.
>     'We could also open another form to grab its properties
>     Set frm = objAcc.Forms(0)
>
>     For Each ctl In frm.Controls
>         Debug.Print "***   " & ctl.Name
>
>         For Each prp In ctl.Properties
>             'Error # 2187: Propery only available in design view
>             'will occur for InSelection control property
>             On Error Resume Next
>             Debug.Print prp.Name, prp.Value
>         Next prp
>
>         On Error GoTo 0
>         Debug.Print
>     Next ctl
>
>     objAcc.Quit
>     Set objAcc = Nothing
>
> End Sub
>
> Brett Barabash, MCP
> Tappe Construction, Co.
> Eagan, MN
> bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com
> (651) 256-6831
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from 
> magic."  - Clarke's Third Law
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:56 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting MDE
>
>
> Shamil,
>
> Heck, I just want to know how you did it.  Real tricky, complex 
> coding, or just something we never thought of before?  Can you give an 
> outline, or will that give too much away?
>
> Seth
>
> At 11:58 PM 5/31/2002 +0400, you wrote:
> >Well, now it is clear that there is a way to get design of forms and
> reports
> >out of MDE/ADE for Access97, Access2K and AccessXP (as for ADE I 
> >didn't
yet
> >finish the tests but it should work OK I'm quite sure)
>
> Seth D. Galitzer sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax Dept. of Plant 
> Pathology phone: (785) 532-1372 Kansas State University fax: (785) 
> 532-6094 Manhattan, KS 66506
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol
84,Issue 23

<<<
This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.
>>>
Hi Ken --

You are welcome to implement this functionality as an Access.PowerTools
plug-in in one of its future releases if you plan this your tool to be
shared on MIT license basis...

AFAIKR I have had a discussion here on AccessD or on Access-L(?) quite some
time ago - I cannot find it on Internet, which was called "Getting sources
from MS Access MDE". The issue was that one of the developers lost their
source mdb, and they didn't have resources to purchase a tool
extracting/recreating forms' and reports' designs out of mde. And that time
I had written a small tool mdb, which did run subject .mde in Automation
mode, did open all its forms and reports, and did get forms' and reports'
design out of that mde recreated form by form, report by report, control by
control - that could have been in some parts similar to your code but I must
say I can't find its sources now - they are buried somewhere on my old
disconnected HDDs - that code was just creating forms and reports in VBA,
extracting their properties by iterating properties collections of
forms/reports sections and controls, creating target forms'/reports'
sections and controls and assigning properties' values using .add property -
something like that relatively simple but efficient - and it did the job
well...

And I was unaware that time that solution was much closer - as undocumented
.SaveAsText feature could have got forms', reports', and macros designs out
of .mdes: Access.PoweTools can do that now - just a side effect/benefit
feature of this tool.

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
Issue 23

Some background on my code, which I called DBRepair:

I developed it to clean up a stubbornly corrupted database for a company I
previously worked for, and the principals are uncomfortable with the idea of
open-sourcing it.

However, if I completely rewrote the code under .NET, that would remove any
proprietary restrictions.

This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.

-Ken
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb 16 13:48:22 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:48:22 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
	Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <B2D3AD647CD84D57BDB11427018E9834@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <7c7841601002151320m16fb9a54vcc63b84fa65fa58b@mail.gmail.com>	<003901caaf2a$a208bf90$e61a3eb0$@spb.ru>
	<B2D3AD647CD84D57BDB11427018E9834@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <007201caaf41$00397120$00ac5360$@spb.ru>

Yes, Doug,

That's the old discussion I mentioned.
But I do not have that code anymore.
It could be somewhere on my old dismounted HDDs but I'm not sure.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
Issue 23

Does this look familiar. From my archive.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Hey, hey...  I was just doing this for entertainment value!  I don't
advocate intellectual property theft, and I take no responsibility for the
misuse of this code.

Tune in next week for "How to synthesize plastic explosives from ordinary
household materials"

Brett Barabash, MCP
Tappe Construction, Co. 
Eagan, MN
bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com
(651) 256-6831

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."  -
Clarke's Third Law



-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 5:01 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting MDE


It's very hot Brett!

Shamil

P.S. But I think you'd better not have posted the code here to not have
severe problems with Redmond Police and migthy CIA agents mentioned by David
McAfee :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Barabash" <BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 1:34 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting MDE


> I just tried it here on my end, and I was shocked!  You can access all 
> of
an
> MDE's collections and properties via automation.  Here's an extremely
simple
> example:
>
> Public Sub MDEThief()
>
>     Dim objAcc As Access.Application
>     Dim frm As Form
>     Dim ctl As Control
>     Dim prp As Property
>
>     Set objAcc = New Access.Application
>     objAcc.OpenCurrentDatabase "c:\acc2k\mdetest.mde"
>
>     'In my MDE, I have a startup form.
>     'We could also open another form to grab its properties
>     Set frm = objAcc.Forms(0)
>
>     For Each ctl In frm.Controls
>         Debug.Print "***   " & ctl.Name
>
>         For Each prp In ctl.Properties
>             'Error # 2187: Propery only available in design view
>             'will occur for InSelection control property
>             On Error Resume Next
>             Debug.Print prp.Name, prp.Value
>         Next prp
>
>         On Error GoTo 0
>         Debug.Print
>     Next ctl
>
>     objAcc.Quit
>     Set objAcc = Nothing
>
> End Sub
>
> Brett Barabash, MCP
> Tappe Construction, Co.
> Eagan, MN
> bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com
> (651) 256-6831
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from 
> magic."  - Clarke's Third Law
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:56 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting MDE
>
>
> Shamil,
>
> Heck, I just want to know how you did it.  Real tricky, complex 
> coding, or just something we never thought of before?  Can you give an 
> outline, or will that give too much away?
>
> Seth
>
> At 11:58 PM 5/31/2002 +0400, you wrote:
> >Well, now it is clear that there is a way to get design of forms and
> reports
> >out of MDE/ADE for Access97, Access2K and AccessXP (as for ADE I 
> >didn't
yet
> >finish the tests but it should work OK I'm quite sure)
>
> Seth D. Galitzer sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax Dept. of Plant 
> Pathology phone: (785) 532-1372 Kansas State University fax: (785) 
> 532-6094 Manhattan, KS 66506
>
> This list sponsored by Database Advisors Inc., a worldwide association 
> of database developers.
> Visit http://www.DatabaseAdvisors.com, the database developers' list
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> and support site.
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> of
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol
84,Issue 23

<<<
This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.
>>>
Hi Ken --

You are welcome to implement this functionality as an Access.PowerTools
plug-in in one of its future releases if you plan this your tool to be
shared on MIT license basis...

AFAIKR I have had a discussion here on AccessD or on Access-L(?) quite some
time ago - I cannot find it on Internet, which was called "Getting sources
from MS Access MDE". The issue was that one of the developers lost their
source mdb, and they didn't have resources to purchase a tool
extracting/recreating forms' and reports' designs out of mde. And that time
I had written a small tool mdb, which did run subject .mde in Automation
mode, did open all its forms and reports, and did get forms' and reports'
design out of that mde recreated form by form, report by report, control by
control - that could have been in some parts similar to your code but I must
say I can't find its sources now - they are buried somewhere on my old
disconnected HDDs - that code was just creating forms and reports in VBA,
extracting their properties by iterating properties collections of
forms/reports sections and controls, creating target forms'/reports'
sections and controls and assigning properties' values using .add property -
something like that relatively simple but efficient - and it did the job
well...

And I was unaware that time that solution was much closer - as undocumented
.SaveAsText feature could have got forms', reports', and macros designs out
of .mdes: Access.PoweTools can do that now - just a side effect/benefit
feature of this tool.

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
Issue 23

Some background on my code, which I called DBRepair:

I developed it to clean up a stubbornly corrupted database for a company I
previously worked for, and the principals are uncomfortable with the idea of
open-sourcing it.

However, if I completely rewrote the code under .NET, that would remove any
proprietary restrictions.

This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.

-Ken
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Feb 16 13:57:03 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:57:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
	Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <007201caaf41$00397120$00ac5360$@spb.ru>
References: <7c7841601002151320m16fb9a54vcc63b84fa65fa58b@mail.gmail.com>	<003901caaf2a$a208bf90$e61a3eb0$@spb.ru><B2D3AD647CD84D57BDB11427018E9834@murphy3234aaf1>
	<007201caaf41$00397120$00ac5360$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <9EF05681CA214374900A79B867963DEF@murphy3234aaf1>

I think the basic code is down in the message. I sent the whole thing for
context. It appears to only export the forms, but could be modified for the
other objects. If you posted a more comprehensive module I unfortunately
didn't save it. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol
84,Issue 23

Yes, Doug,

That's the old discussion I mentioned.
But I do not have that code anymore.
It could be somewhere on my old dismounted HDDs but I'm not sure.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
Issue 23

Does this look familiar. From my archive.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Hey, hey...  I was just doing this for entertainment value!  I don't
advocate intellectual property theft, and I take no responsibility for the
misuse of this code.

Tune in next week for "How to synthesize plastic explosives from ordinary
household materials"

Brett Barabash, MCP
Tappe Construction, Co. 
Eagan, MN
bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com
(651) 256-6831

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."  -
Clarke's Third Law



-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 5:01 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting MDE


It's very hot Brett!

Shamil

P.S. But I think you'd better not have posted the code here to not have
severe problems with Redmond Police and migthy CIA agents mentioned by David
McAfee :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Barabash" <BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 1:34 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting MDE


> I just tried it here on my end, and I was shocked!  You can access all 
> of
an
> MDE's collections and properties via automation.  Here's an extremely
simple
> example:
>
> Public Sub MDEThief()
>
>     Dim objAcc As Access.Application
>     Dim frm As Form
>     Dim ctl As Control
>     Dim prp As Property
>
>     Set objAcc = New Access.Application
>     objAcc.OpenCurrentDatabase "c:\acc2k\mdetest.mde"
>
>     'In my MDE, I have a startup form.
>     'We could also open another form to grab its properties
>     Set frm = objAcc.Forms(0)
>
>     For Each ctl In frm.Controls
>         Debug.Print "***   " & ctl.Name
>
>         For Each prp In ctl.Properties
>             'Error # 2187: Propery only available in design view
>             'will occur for InSelection control property
>             On Error Resume Next
>             Debug.Print prp.Name, prp.Value
>         Next prp
>
>         On Error GoTo 0
>         Debug.Print
>     Next ctl
>
>     objAcc.Quit
>     Set objAcc = Nothing
>
> End Sub
>
> Brett Barabash, MCP
> Tappe Construction, Co.
> Eagan, MN
> bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com
> (651) 256-6831
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from 
> magic."  - Clarke's Third Law
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:56 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting MDE
>
>
> Shamil,
>
> Heck, I just want to know how you did it.  Real tricky, complex 
> coding, or just something we never thought of before?  Can you give an 
> outline, or will that give too much away?
>
> Seth
>
> At 11:58 PM 5/31/2002 +0400, you wrote:
> >Well, now it is clear that there is a way to get design of forms and
> reports
> >out of MDE/ADE for Access97, Access2K and AccessXP (as for ADE I 
> >didn't
yet
> >finish the tests but it should work OK I'm quite sure)
>
> Seth D. Galitzer sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax Dept. of Plant 
> Pathology phone: (785) 532-1372 Kansas State University fax: (785)
> 532-6094 Manhattan, KS 66506
>
> This list sponsored by Database Advisors Inc., a worldwide association 
> of database developers.
> Visit http://www.DatabaseAdvisors.com, the database developers' list
portal
> and support site.
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> of
database developers.
> Visit http://www.DatabaseAdvisors.com, the database developers' list
portal and support site.

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and support site. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol
84,Issue 23

<<<
This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.
>>>
Hi Ken --

You are welcome to implement this functionality as an Access.PowerTools
plug-in in one of its future releases if you plan this your tool to be
shared on MIT license basis...

AFAIKR I have had a discussion here on AccessD or on Access-L(?) quite some
time ago - I cannot find it on Internet, which was called "Getting sources
from MS Access MDE". The issue was that one of the developers lost their
source mdb, and they didn't have resources to purchase a tool
extracting/recreating forms' and reports' designs out of mde. And that time
I had written a small tool mdb, which did run subject .mde in Automation
mode, did open all its forms and reports, and did get forms' and reports'
design out of that mde recreated form by form, report by report, control by
control - that could have been in some parts similar to your code but I must
say I can't find its sources now - they are buried somewhere on my old
disconnected HDDs - that code was just creating forms and reports in VBA,
extracting their properties by iterating properties collections of
forms/reports sections and controls, creating target forms'/reports'
sections and controls and assigning properties' values using .add property -
something like that relatively simple but efficient - and it did the job
well...

And I was unaware that time that solution was much closer - as undocumented
.SaveAsText feature could have got forms', reports', and macros designs out
of .mdes: Access.PoweTools can do that now - just a side effect/benefit
feature of this tool.

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
Issue 23

Some background on my code, which I called DBRepair:

I developed it to clean up a stubbornly corrupted database for a company I
previously worked for, and the principals are uncomfortable with the idea of
open-sourcing it.

However, if I completely rewrote the code under .NET, that would remove any
proprietary restrictions.

This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.

-Ken
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb 16 14:12:03 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:12:03 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
	Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <9EF05681CA214374900A79B867963DEF@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <7c7841601002151320m16fb9a54vcc63b84fa65fa58b@mail.gmail.com>	<003901caaf2a$a208bf90$e61a3eb0$@spb.ru><B2D3AD647CD84D57BDB11427018E9834@murphy3234aaf1>	<007201caaf41$00397120$00ac5360$@spb.ru>
	<9EF05681CA214374900A79B867963DEF@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <007601caaf44$4f71b790$ee5526b0$@spb.ru>

No, Doug, I didn't post more comprehensive code that time AFAIKR.

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
Issue 23

I think the basic code is down in the message. I sent the whole thing for
context. It appears to only export the forms, but could be modified for the
other objects. If you posted a more comprehensive module I unfortunately
didn't save it. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol
84,Issue 23

Yes, Doug,

That's the old discussion I mentioned.
But I do not have that code anymore.
It could be somewhere on my old dismounted HDDs but I'm not sure.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
Issue 23

Does this look familiar. From my archive.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Hey, hey...  I was just doing this for entertainment value!  I don't
advocate intellectual property theft, and I take no responsibility for the
misuse of this code.

Tune in next week for "How to synthesize plastic explosives from ordinary
household materials"

Brett Barabash, MCP
Tappe Construction, Co. 
Eagan, MN
bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com
(651) 256-6831

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."  -
Clarke's Third Law



-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 5:01 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting MDE


It's very hot Brett!

Shamil

P.S. But I think you'd better not have posted the code here to not have
severe problems with Redmond Police and migthy CIA agents mentioned by David
McAfee :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Barabash" <BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 1:34 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting MDE


> I just tried it here on my end, and I was shocked!  You can access all 
> of
an
> MDE's collections and properties via automation.  Here's an extremely
simple
> example:
>
> Public Sub MDEThief()
>
>     Dim objAcc As Access.Application
>     Dim frm As Form
>     Dim ctl As Control
>     Dim prp As Property
>
>     Set objAcc = New Access.Application
>     objAcc.OpenCurrentDatabase "c:\acc2k\mdetest.mde"
>
>     'In my MDE, I have a startup form.
>     'We could also open another form to grab its properties
>     Set frm = objAcc.Forms(0)
>
>     For Each ctl In frm.Controls
>         Debug.Print "***   " & ctl.Name
>
>         For Each prp In ctl.Properties
>             'Error # 2187: Propery only available in design view
>             'will occur for InSelection control property
>             On Error Resume Next
>             Debug.Print prp.Name, prp.Value
>         Next prp
>
>         On Error GoTo 0
>         Debug.Print
>     Next ctl
>
>     objAcc.Quit
>     Set objAcc = Nothing
>
> End Sub
>
> Brett Barabash, MCP
> Tappe Construction, Co.
> Eagan, MN
> bbarabash at tappeconstruction.com
> (651) 256-6831
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from 
> magic."  - Clarke's Third Law
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:56 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting MDE
>
>
> Shamil,
>
> Heck, I just want to know how you did it.  Real tricky, complex 
> coding, or just something we never thought of before?  Can you give an 
> outline, or will that give too much away?
>
> Seth
>
> At 11:58 PM 5/31/2002 +0400, you wrote:
> >Well, now it is clear that there is a way to get design of forms and
> reports
> >out of MDE/ADE for Access97, Access2K and AccessXP (as for ADE I 
> >didn't
yet
> >finish the tests but it should work OK I'm quite sure)
>
> Seth D. Galitzer sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax Dept. of Plant 
> Pathology phone: (785) 532-1372 Kansas State University fax: (785)
> 532-6094 Manhattan, KS 66506
>
> This list sponsored by Database Advisors Inc., a worldwide association 
> of database developers.
> Visit http://www.DatabaseAdvisors.com, the database developers' list
portal
> and support site.
> This list sponsored by Database Advisors Inc., a worldwide association 
> of
database developers.
> Visit http://www.DatabaseAdvisors.com, the database developers' list
portal and support site.

This list sponsored by Database Advisors Inc., a worldwide association of
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and support site.
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and support site. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol
84,Issue 23

<<<
This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.
>>>
Hi Ken --

You are welcome to implement this functionality as an Access.PowerTools
plug-in in one of its future releases if you plan this your tool to be
shared on MIT license basis...

AFAIKR I have had a discussion here on AccessD or on Access-L(?) quite some
time ago - I cannot find it on Internet, which was called "Getting sources
from MS Access MDE". The issue was that one of the developers lost their
source mdb, and they didn't have resources to purchase a tool
extracting/recreating forms' and reports' designs out of mde. And that time
I had written a small tool mdb, which did run subject .mde in Automation
mode, did open all its forms and reports, and did get forms' and reports'
design out of that mde recreated form by form, report by report, control by
control - that could have been in some parts similar to your code but I must
say I can't find its sources now - they are buried somewhere on my old
disconnected HDDs - that code was just creating forms and reports in VBA,
extracting their properties by iterating properties collections of
forms/reports sections and controls, creating target forms'/reports'
sections and controls and assigning properties' values using .add property -
something like that relatively simple but efficient - and it did the job
well...

And I was unaware that time that solution was much closer - as undocumented
.SaveAsText feature could have got forms', reports', and macros designs out
of .mdes: Access.PoweTools can do that now - just a side effect/benefit
feature of this tool.

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] DBRepair (EatBloat+) Was: Re: AccessD Digest, Vol 84,
Issue 23

Some background on my code, which I called DBRepair:

I developed it to clean up a stubbornly corrupted database for a company I
previously worked for, and the principals are uncomfortable with the idea of
open-sourcing it.

However, if I completely rewrote the code under .NET, that would remove any
proprietary restrictions.

This would be an attractive project for me to take on if it would solve
problems not just for A2K, but for more recent versions as well.

-Ken
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Feb 16 14:36:40 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:36:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002160921n3a14c5b2p55b20ded6085e278@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841601002160921n3a14c5b2p55b20ded6085e278@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FB7F677710FF44BD9C3BF289C8892DF4@HAL9005>

The app is an mde - a package that I sell - and the user is not here -
actually in Bahrain.  But I'm going to put it on a test be I've got here  -
W7 r.c. (got noticed today by MS that it will be going away soon so I'd
BETTER UPGRADE NOW!) AND Office 2010 pro r.c. We'll see.  Since the version
of this app has been in use in a lot of places including this user site, I
think it must be something to do with O2K10.

I don't have a reference checker.  Do you know of one an one of those Access
sites somewhere I could crib?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

>
> Rocky Smolin:
> I have an error report from an mde compiled in A2K3 but the client 
> appears to be running it with Access 2010.  The error is 'Error 561 - 
> Internal Error'.  Can't find out anything about this error.  The 
> version of the mde they're running is a few minor releases back and is 
> solid.  So I'm thinking this is a 2010 related problem.  Any clues?
>

Check your VBA project references. This sounds exactly like the error I got
when added a cdosys.dll reference to send email over SMTP.

If you have a reference checker built-in to your code, run it and it may
show the broken reference. Otherwise, plunk a development mdb on the
machine, and see if any references are missing/broken.

-Ken
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Feb 16 14:53:47 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:53:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
In-Reply-To: <FB7F677710FF44BD9C3BF289C8892DF4@HAL9005>
References: <7c7841601002160921n3a14c5b2p55b20ded6085e278@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB7F677710FF44BD9C3BF289C8892DF4@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <9968BCD04C724B84BF8B602FA31D11E2@murphy3234aaf1>

Why don't you use a runtime? Everything stays independent of the Operating
system and Office de jure. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

The app is an mde - a package that I sell - and the user is not here -
actually in Bahrain.  But I'm going to put it on a test be I've got here  -
W7 r.c. (got noticed today by MS that it will be going away soon so I'd
BETTER UPGRADE NOW!) AND Office 2010 pro r.c. We'll see.  Since the version
of this app has been in use in a lot of places including this user site, I
think it must be something to do with O2K10.

I don't have a reference checker.  Do you know of one an one of those Access
sites somewhere I could crib?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

>
> Rocky Smolin:
> I have an error report from an mde compiled in A2K3 but the client 
> appears to be running it with Access 2010.  The error is 'Error 561 - 
> Internal Error'.  Can't find out anything about this error.  The 
> version of the mde they're running is a few minor releases back and is 
> solid.  So I'm thinking this is a 2010 related problem.  Any clues?
>

Check your VBA project references. This sounds exactly like the error I got
when added a cdosys.dll reference to send email over SMTP.

If you have a reference checker built-in to your code, run it and it may
show the broken reference. Otherwise, plunk a development mdb on the
machine, and see if any references are missing/broken.

-Ken
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb 16 15:03:53 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:03:53 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
In-Reply-To: <FB7F677710FF44BD9C3BF289C8892DF4@HAL9005>
References: <7c7841601002160921n3a14c5b2p55b20ded6085e278@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB7F677710FF44BD9C3BF289C8892DF4@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <008d01caaf4b$8d5c12b0$a8143810$@spb.ru>

Hi Rocky --

If you're interested to try I can add (for starters) a new feature to
Access.PowerTools to list references of the currently opened mdb/mde marking
which ones are broken. I can release that "References Lister" plug-in
tomorrow with new Access.PoweTools setup just to demonstrate how it can be
done. You can use it there, and you can point to this tool to your customer
in Bahrain for them to check references of your app .mde on their system
(but they will have to have .NET Framework SP1 installed to run the tool. It
will be installed during add-in setup, it takes a few minutes but usually
runs without any issues.)...

...and when v.0.0.3 of Access.PowerTools will be released such a "References
Lister" plug-in will be possible to get developed by everybody: if I have
had v.0.0.3 currently released I could have made and released "References
Lister" plug-in in minutes - I can't do that now that quick as it still need
to deploy all the add-in executables, and I have to go to bed now as it's
12:00 AM (17FEB10) here...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

The app is an mde - a package that I sell - and the user is not here -
actually in Bahrain.  But I'm going to put it on a test be I've got here  -
W7 r.c. (got noticed today by MS that it will be going away soon so I'd
BETTER UPGRADE NOW!) AND Office 2010 pro r.c. We'll see.  Since the version
of this app has been in use in a lot of places including this user site, I
think it must be something to do with O2K10.

I don't have a reference checker.  Do you know of one an one of those Access
sites somewhere I could crib?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

>
> Rocky Smolin:
> I have an error report from an mde compiled in A2K3 but the client 
> appears to be running it with Access 2010.  The error is 'Error 561 - 
> Internal Error'.  Can't find out anything about this error.  The 
> version of the mde they're running is a few minor releases back and is 
> solid.  So I'm thinking this is a 2010 related problem.  Any clues?
>

Check your VBA project references. This sounds exactly like the error I got
when added a cdosys.dll reference to send email over SMTP.

If you have a reference checker built-in to your code, run it and it may
show the broken reference. Otherwise, plunk a development mdb on the
machine, and see if any references are missing/broken.

-Ken
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Feb 16 15:08:19 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:08:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
In-Reply-To: <9968BCD04C724B84BF8B602FA31D11E2@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <7c7841601002160921n3a14c5b2p55b20ded6085e278@mail.gmail.com><FB7F677710FF44BD9C3BF289C8892DF4@HAL9005>
	<9968BCD04C724B84BF8B602FA31D11E2@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <15B025C4F4D44449B5DC3CBF0301B49C@HAL9005>

For over a year everything's been OK at this site.   Suddenly this.  Well,
give me chance to shake out O2K10, I guess.

But you're right - push comes to shove- they're going runtime.  I have the
script all ready to go because I do send the package occasionally to someone
who doesn't have Access.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Why don't you use a runtime? Everything stays independent of the Operating
system and Office de jure. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

The app is an mde - a package that I sell - and the user is not here -
actually in Bahrain.  But I'm going to put it on a test be I've got here  -
W7 r.c. (got noticed today by MS that it will be going away soon so I'd
BETTER UPGRADE NOW!) AND Office 2010 pro r.c. We'll see.  Since the version
of this app has been in use in a lot of places including this user site, I
think it must be something to do with O2K10.

I don't have a reference checker.  Do you know of one an one of those Access
sites somewhere I could crib?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

>
> Rocky Smolin:
> I have an error report from an mde compiled in A2K3 but the client 
> appears to be running it with Access 2010.  The error is 'Error 561 - 
> Internal Error'.  Can't find out anything about this error.  The 
> version of the mde they're running is a few minor releases back and is 
> solid.  So I'm thinking this is a 2010 related problem.  Any clues?
>

Check your VBA project references. This sounds exactly like the error I got
when added a cdosys.dll reference to send email over SMTP.

If you have a reference checker built-in to your code, run it and it may
show the broken reference. Otherwise, plunk a development mdb on the
machine, and see if any references are missing/broken.

-Ken
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb 16 15:24:05 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:24:05 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
References: <7c7841601002160921n3a14c5b2p55b20ded6085e278@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB7F677710FF44BD9C3BF289C8892DF4@HAL9005> 
Message-ID: <008e01caaf4e$5f5953c0$1e0bfb40$@spb.ru>

Afterthought: Rocky, your customer probably uses runtime therefore
Access.PowerTools will not be helpful there - please disregard my below
proposal.

AFAIKR if you make a sample mdb with just one start-up form, which will usa
VBA code behind to list references using application.references collection,
set all the same references to this app mdb as your main app has, then
compile it to .mde and send to run on customer site then it will list
references marking broken ones (this marking of the broken ones will be made
by your code - just handle runtime errors using resume next and analyzing
err.number after VBA code line execution - then present the list of form's
multiline textbox or in a message box)...

...if the above will not work then you can make an Automation sample mdb to
run on customer site to list references of automated small mde having all
the same references your main app has (sorry didn't use MS Access runtime
for quite some time - I expect it allows to use Automation...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil 



-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Hi Rocky --

If you're interested to try I can add (for starters) a new feature to
Access.PowerTools to list references of the currently opened mdb/mde marking
which ones are broken. I can release that "References Lister" plug-in
tomorrow with new Access.PoweTools setup just to demonstrate how it can be
done. You can use it there, and you can point to this tool to your customer
in Bahrain for them to check references of your app .mde on their system
(but they will have to have .NET Framework SP1 installed to run the tool. It
will be installed during add-in setup, it takes a few minutes but usually
runs without any issues.)...

...and when v.0.0.3 of Access.PowerTools will be released such a "References
Lister" plug-in will be possible to get developed by everybody: if I have
had v.0.0.3 currently released I could have made and released "References
Lister" plug-in in minutes - I can't do that now that quick as it still need
to deploy all the add-in executables, and I have to go to bed now as it's
12:00 AM (17FEB10) here...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

The app is an mde - a package that I sell - and the user is not here -
actually in Bahrain.  But I'm going to put it on a test be I've got here  -
W7 r.c. (got noticed today by MS that it will be going away soon so I'd
BETTER UPGRADE NOW!) AND Office 2010 pro r.c. We'll see.  Since the version
of this app has been in use in a lot of places including this user site, I
think it must be something to do with O2K10.

I don't have a reference checker.  Do you know of one an one of those Access
sites somewhere I could crib?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

>
> Rocky Smolin:
> I have an error report from an mde compiled in A2K3 but the client 
> appears to be running it with Access 2010.  The error is 'Error 561 - 
> Internal Error'.  Can't find out anything about this error.  The 
> version of the mde they're running is a few minor releases back and is 
> solid.  So I'm thinking this is a 2010 related problem.  Any clues?
>

Check your VBA project references. This sounds exactly like the error I got
when added a cdosys.dll reference to send email over SMTP.

If you have a reference checker built-in to your code, run it and it may
show the broken reference. Otherwise, plunk a development mdb on the
machine, and see if any references are missing/broken.

-Ken
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Feb 16 15:51:57 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:51:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
In-Reply-To: <008e01caaf4e$5f5953c0$1e0bfb40$@spb.ru>
References: <7c7841601002160921n3a14c5b2p55b20ded6085e278@mail.gmail.com><FB7F677710FF44BD9C3BF289C8892DF4@HAL9005>
	<008e01caaf4e$5f5953c0$1e0bfb40$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <DCE751047A064253AB96F55DE3886262@HAL9005>

Good idea, Shamil.  I'm wondering now if, since they are apparently using
A2K10 (from the looks of the screen shot they sent), it might not be
resolving the Outlook 11.0 or Excel 11.0 Object Library references set in my
app.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Afterthought: Rocky, your customer probably uses runtime therefore
Access.PowerTools will not be helpful there - please disregard my below
proposal.

AFAIKR if you make a sample mdb with just one start-up form, which will usa
VBA code behind to list references using application.references collection,
set all the same references to this app mdb as your main app has, then
compile it to .mde and send to run on customer site then it will list
references marking broken ones (this marking of the broken ones will be made
by your code - just handle runtime errors using resume next and analyzing
err.number after VBA code line execution - then present the list of form's
multiline textbox or in a message box)...

...if the above will not work then you can make an Automation sample mdb to
run on customer site to list references of automated small mde having all
the same references your main app has (sorry didn't use MS Access runtime
for quite some time - I expect it allows to use Automation...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil 



-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Hi Rocky --

If you're interested to try I can add (for starters) a new feature to
Access.PowerTools to list references of the currently opened mdb/mde marking
which ones are broken. I can release that "References Lister" plug-in
tomorrow with new Access.PoweTools setup just to demonstrate how it can be
done. You can use it there, and you can point to this tool to your customer
in Bahrain for them to check references of your app .mde on their system
(but they will have to have .NET Framework SP1 installed to run the tool. It
will be installed during add-in setup, it takes a few minutes but usually
runs without any issues.)...

...and when v.0.0.3 of Access.PowerTools will be released such a "References
Lister" plug-in will be possible to get developed by everybody: if I have
had v.0.0.3 currently released I could have made and released "References
Lister" plug-in in minutes - I can't do that now that quick as it still need
to deploy all the add-in executables, and I have to go to bed now as it's
12:00 AM (17FEB10) here...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

The app is an mde - a package that I sell - and the user is not here -
actually in Bahrain.  But I'm going to put it on a test be I've got here  -
W7 r.c. (got noticed today by MS that it will be going away soon so I'd
BETTER UPGRADE NOW!) AND Office 2010 pro r.c. We'll see.  Since the version
of this app has been in use in a lot of places including this user site, I
think it must be something to do with O2K10.

I don't have a reference checker.  Do you know of one an one of those Access
sites somewhere I could crib?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

>
> Rocky Smolin:
> I have an error report from an mde compiled in A2K3 but the client 
> appears to be running it with Access 2010.  The error is 'Error 561 - 
> Internal Error'.  Can't find out anything about this error.  The 
> version of the mde they're running is a few minor releases back and is 
> solid.  So I'm thinking this is a 2010 related problem.  Any clues?
>

Check your VBA project references. This sounds exactly like the error I got
when added a cdosys.dll reference to send email over SMTP.

If you have a reference checker built-in to your code, run it and it may
show the broken reference. Otherwise, plunk a development mdb on the
machine, and see if any references are missing/broken.

-Ken
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Feb 16 15:58:26 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:58:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
In-Reply-To: <008e01caaf4e$5f5953c0$1e0bfb40$@spb.ru>
References: <7c7841601002160921n3a14c5b2p55b20ded6085e278@mail.gmail.com><FB7F677710FF44BD9C3BF289C8892DF4@HAL9005>
	<008e01caaf4e$5f5953c0$1e0bfb40$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <16CE6118B8784856B66D669B18CD38DB@jislaptopdev>

...the ideal addin for references would be not only to list them but to 
store them as guid blobs and replace any that are damaged or lost for any 
reason ...the client installs something that overwrites your references, you 
just write them right back ...autofix references :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:24 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

> Afterthought: Rocky, your customer probably uses runtime therefore
> Access.PowerTools will not be helpful there - please disregard my below
> proposal.
>
> AFAIKR if you make a sample mdb with just one start-up form, which will 
> usa
> VBA code behind to list references using application.references 
> collection,
> set all the same references to this app mdb as your main app has, then
> compile it to .mde and send to run on customer site then it will list
> references marking broken ones (this marking of the broken ones will be 
> made
> by your code - just handle runtime errors using resume next and analyzing
> err.number after VBA code line execution - then present the list of form's
> multiline textbox or in a message box)...
>
> ...if the above will not work then you can make an Automation sample mdb 
> to
> run on customer site to list references of automated small mde having all
> the same references your main app has (sorry didn't use MS Access runtime
> for quite some time - I expect it allows to use Automation...)
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:04 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
>
> Hi Rocky --
>
> If you're interested to try I can add (for starters) a new feature to
> Access.PowerTools to list references of the currently opened mdb/mde 
> marking
> which ones are broken. I can release that "References Lister" plug-in
> tomorrow with new Access.PoweTools setup just to demonstrate how it can be
> done. You can use it there, and you can point to this tool to your 
> customer
> in Bahrain for them to check references of your app .mde on their system
> (but they will have to have .NET Framework SP1 installed to run the tool. 
> It
> will be installed during add-in setup, it takes a few minutes but usually
> runs without any issues.)...
>
> ...and when v.0.0.3 of Access.PowerTools will be released such a 
> "References
> Lister" plug-in will be possible to get developed by everybody: if I have
> had v.0.0.3 currently released I could have made and released "References
> Lister" plug-in in minutes - I can't do that now that quick as it still 
> need
> to deploy all the add-in executables, and I have to go to bed now as it's
> 12:00 AM (17FEB10) here...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:37 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
>
> The app is an mde - a package that I sell - and the user is not here -
> actually in Bahrain.  But I'm going to put it on a test be I've got 
> ere  -
> W7 r.c. (got noticed today by MS that it will be going away soon so I'd
> BETTER UPGRADE NOW!) AND Office 2010 pro r.c. We'll see.  Since the 
> version
> of this app has been in use in a lot of places including this user site, I
> think it must be something to do with O2K10.
>
> I don't have a reference checker.  Do you know of one an one of those 
> Access
> sites somewhere I could crib?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
>
>>
>> Rocky Smolin:
>> I have an error report from an mde compiled in A2K3 but the client
>> appears to be running it with Access 2010.  The error is 'Error 561 -
>> Internal Error'.  Can't find out anything about this error.  The
>> version of the mde they're running is a few minor releases back and is
>> solid.  So I'm thinking this is a 2010 related problem.  Any clues?
>>
>
> Check your VBA project references. This sounds exactly like the error I 
> got
> when added a cdosys.dll reference to send email over SMTP.
>
> If you have a reference checker built-in to your code, run it and it may
> show the broken reference. Otherwise, plunk a development mdb on the
> machine, and see if any references are missing/broken.
>
> -Ken
> --
>
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From dbsteele at dccnet.com  Tue Feb 16 18:46:28 2010
From: dbsteele at dccnet.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:46:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO insert command
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c1002161646s7496fc7dx973cd4b986b55688@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All:

I have some code which connects to a MySQL database.  Simply Accounting, in
this case - they have changed their back end to MySQL from Access.

Now I want to run an insert query to grab some data from Simply.  Here's my
code:

Public Sub ImportSimplyTables(conn As ADODB.Connection)
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  Dim Cmd As String

  Cmd = "INSERT INTO taccountx ( lId, dYtc ) SELECT tAccount.lId,
tAccount.dYtc FROM tAccount;"
  conn.Execute Cmd, , adCmdText + adExecuteNoRecords

End Sub

I've tried various combinations of adCmdText, adExecuteNoRecords, etc. but
nothing seems to work.  The Execute runs but no records are added to my
table taccountx.  I know that the connection is opened correctly; if I
create an ADO recordset from the tAccount table I can read it and the fields
are present and have data.

Any suggestions?  Thanks,

Doug


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Feb 16 19:00:09 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:00:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Store a file as a blob in a sql server 2000 db from an
	access front end.
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c1002161646s7496fc7dx973cd4b986b55688@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4dd71a0c1002161646s7496fc7dx973cd4b986b55688@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DC4D5939AAD49AAA020D1DCB19A66D6@murphy3234aaf1>

Folks,

Looking for available code here. I am working on an application for a client
and they want to store various files associated with projects in SQL Server.
They are using 2000 for another purpose so it is available. I have all their
tables exported to a SQL Server database and have created a table to store
the files. Does any one have any handy code to do the file storage and
retrieval using Access as the front end? We are using a DSN and ODBC for the
connection. Tables are linked.

Thanks in advance.

Doug



From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Wed Feb 17 00:10:37 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:10:37 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
In-Reply-To: <DCE751047A064253AB96F55DE3886262@HAL9005>
References: <7c7841601002160921n3a14c5b2p55b20ded6085e278@mail.gmail.com><FB7F677710FF44BD9C3BF289C8892DF4@HAL9005>	<008e01caaf4e$5f5953c0$1e0bfb40$@spb.ru>
	<DCE751047A064253AB96F55DE3886262@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <009901caaf97$ed9a10e0$c8ce32a0$@spb.ru>

Yes, Rocky, you'd better use late binding when Automating Outlook and Excel
from within your application.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Good idea, Shamil.  I'm wondering now if, since they are apparently using
A2K10 (from the looks of the screen shot they sent), it might not be
resolving the Outlook 11.0 or Excel 11.0 Object Library references set in my
app.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Afterthought: Rocky, your customer probably uses runtime therefore
Access.PowerTools will not be helpful there - please disregard my below
proposal.

AFAIKR if you make a sample mdb with just one start-up form, which will usa
VBA code behind to list references using application.references collection,
set all the same references to this app mdb as your main app has, then
compile it to .mde and send to run on customer site then it will list
references marking broken ones (this marking of the broken ones will be made
by your code - just handle runtime errors using resume next and analyzing
err.number after VBA code line execution - then present the list of form's
multiline textbox or in a message box)...

...if the above will not work then you can make an Automation sample mdb to
run on customer site to list references of automated small mde having all
the same references your main app has (sorry didn't use MS Access runtime
for quite some time - I expect it allows to use Automation...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil 



-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Hi Rocky --

If you're interested to try I can add (for starters) a new feature to
Access.PowerTools to list references of the currently opened mdb/mde marking
which ones are broken. I can release that "References Lister" plug-in
tomorrow with new Access.PoweTools setup just to demonstrate how it can be
done. You can use it there, and you can point to this tool to your customer
in Bahrain for them to check references of your app .mde on their system
(but they will have to have .NET Framework SP1 installed to run the tool. It
will be installed during add-in setup, it takes a few minutes but usually
runs without any issues.)...

...and when v.0.0.3 of Access.PowerTools will be released such a "References
Lister" plug-in will be possible to get developed by everybody: if I have
had v.0.0.3 currently released I could have made and released "References
Lister" plug-in in minutes - I can't do that now that quick as it still need
to deploy all the add-in executables, and I have to go to bed now as it's
12:00 AM (17FEB10) here...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

The app is an mde - a package that I sell - and the user is not here -
actually in Bahrain.  But I'm going to put it on a test be I've got here  -
W7 r.c. (got noticed today by MS that it will be going away soon so I'd
BETTER UPGRADE NOW!) AND Office 2010 pro r.c. We'll see.  Since the version
of this app has been in use in a lot of places including this user site, I
think it must be something to do with O2K10.

I don't have a reference checker.  Do you know of one an one of those Access
sites somewhere I could crib?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

>
> Rocky Smolin:
> I have an error report from an mde compiled in A2K3 but the client 
> appears to be running it with Access 2010.  The error is 'Error 561 - 
> Internal Error'.  Can't find out anything about this error.  The 
> version of the mde they're running is a few minor releases back and is 
> solid.  So I'm thinking this is a 2010 related problem.  Any clues?
>

Check your VBA project references. This sounds exactly like the error I got
when added a cdosys.dll reference to send email over SMTP.

If you have a reference checker built-in to your code, run it and it may
show the broken reference. Otherwise, plunk a development mdb on the
machine, and see if any references are missing/broken.

-Ken
--

 

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Feb 17 01:29:10 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:29:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
In-Reply-To: <009901caaf97$ed9a10e0$c8ce32a0$@spb.ru>
References: <7c7841601002160921n3a14c5b2p55b20ded6085e278@mail.gmail.com><FB7F677710FF44BD9C3BF289C8892DF4@HAL9005>	<008e01caaf4e$5f5953c0$1e0bfb40$@spb.ru><DCE751047A064253AB96F55DE3886262@HAL9005>
	<009901caaf97$ed9a10e0$c8ce32a0$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <82BEDD730EAF4354BB4A62A476A5E269@HAL9005>

Aha. Yes.  Late binding would solve the problem.   If that indeed is the
problem.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Yes, Rocky, you'd better use late binding when Automating Outlook and Excel
from within your application.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Good idea, Shamil.  I'm wondering now if, since they are apparently using
A2K10 (from the looks of the screen shot they sent), it might not be
resolving the Outlook 11.0 or Excel 11.0 Object Library references set in my
app.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Afterthought: Rocky, your customer probably uses runtime therefore
Access.PowerTools will not be helpful there - please disregard my below
proposal.

AFAIKR if you make a sample mdb with just one start-up form, which will usa
VBA code behind to list references using application.references collection,
set all the same references to this app mdb as your main app has, then
compile it to .mde and send to run on customer site then it will list
references marking broken ones (this marking of the broken ones will be made
by your code - just handle runtime errors using resume next and analyzing
err.number after VBA code line execution - then present the list of form's
multiline textbox or in a message box)...

...if the above will not work then you can make an Automation sample mdb to
run on customer site to list references of automated small mde having all
the same references your main app has (sorry didn't use MS Access runtime
for quite some time - I expect it allows to use Automation...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil 



-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Hi Rocky --

If you're interested to try I can add (for starters) a new feature to
Access.PowerTools to list references of the currently opened mdb/mde marking
which ones are broken. I can release that "References Lister" plug-in
tomorrow with new Access.PoweTools setup just to demonstrate how it can be
done. You can use it there, and you can point to this tool to your customer
in Bahrain for them to check references of your app .mde on their system
(but they will have to have .NET Framework SP1 installed to run the tool. It
will be installed during add-in setup, it takes a few minutes but usually
runs without any issues.)...

...and when v.0.0.3 of Access.PowerTools will be released such a "References
Lister" plug-in will be possible to get developed by everybody: if I have
had v.0.0.3 currently released I could have made and released "References
Lister" plug-in in minutes - I can't do that now that quick as it still need
to deploy all the add-in executables, and I have to go to bed now as it's
12:00 AM (17FEB10) here...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

The app is an mde - a package that I sell - and the user is not here -
actually in Bahrain.  But I'm going to put it on a test be I've got here  -
W7 r.c. (got noticed today by MS that it will be going away soon so I'd
BETTER UPGRADE NOW!) AND Office 2010 pro r.c. We'll see.  Since the version
of this app has been in use in a lot of places including this user site, I
think it must be something to do with O2K10.

I don't have a reference checker.  Do you know of one an one of those Access
sites somewhere I could crib?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

>
> Rocky Smolin:
> I have an error report from an mde compiled in A2K3 but the client 
> appears to be running it with Access 2010.  The error is 'Error 561 - 
> Internal Error'.  Can't find out anything about this error.  The 
> version of the mde they're running is a few minor releases back and is 
> solid.  So I'm thinking this is a 2010 related problem.  Any clues?
>

Check your VBA project references. This sounds exactly like the error I got
when added a cdosys.dll reference to send email over SMTP.

If you have a reference checker built-in to your code, run it and it may
show the broken reference. Otherwise, plunk a development mdb on the
machine, and see if any references are missing/broken.

-Ken
--

 

 

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Wed Feb 17 01:59:14 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:59:14 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
In-Reply-To: <82BEDD730EAF4354BB4A62A476A5E269@HAL9005>
References: <7c7841601002160921n3a14c5b2p55b20ded6085e278@mail.gmail.com><FB7F677710FF44BD9C3BF289C8892DF4@HAL9005>	<008e01caaf4e$5f5953c0$1e0bfb40$@spb.ru><DCE751047A064253AB96F55DE3886262@HAL9005>	<009901caaf97$ed9a10e0$c8ce32a0$@spb.ru>
	<82BEDD730EAF4354BB4A62A476A5E269@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00a401caafa7$19d921a0$4d8b64e0$@spb.ru>

Yes, Rocky, if they use Office2010 and you have set references to Outlook
11.0 and Excel 11.0 then, and they do not have Office 11.0 installed there
properly in parallel (before) Office 2010 then they should have the issues
with references.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Aha. Yes.  Late binding would solve the problem.   If that indeed is the
problem.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Yes, Rocky, you'd better use late binding when Automating Outlook and Excel
from within your application.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Good idea, Shamil.  I'm wondering now if, since they are apparently using
A2K10 (from the looks of the screen shot they sent), it might not be
resolving the Outlook 11.0 or Excel 11.0 Object Library references set in my
app.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Afterthought: Rocky, your customer probably uses runtime therefore
Access.PowerTools will not be helpful there - please disregard my below
proposal.

AFAIKR if you make a sample mdb with just one start-up form, which will usa
VBA code behind to list references using application.references collection,
set all the same references to this app mdb as your main app has, then
compile it to .mde and send to run on customer site then it will list
references marking broken ones (this marking of the broken ones will be made
by your code - just handle runtime errors using resume next and analyzing
err.number after VBA code line execution - then present the list of form's
multiline textbox or in a message box)...

...if the above will not work then you can make an Automation sample mdb to
run on customer site to list references of automated small mde having all
the same references your main app has (sorry didn't use MS Access runtime
for quite some time - I expect it allows to use Automation...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil 



-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

Hi Rocky --

If you're interested to try I can add (for starters) a new feature to
Access.PowerTools to list references of the currently opened mdb/mde marking
which ones are broken. I can release that "References Lister" plug-in
tomorrow with new Access.PoweTools setup just to demonstrate how it can be
done. You can use it there, and you can point to this tool to your customer
in Bahrain for them to check references of your app .mde on their system
(but they will have to have .NET Framework SP1 installed to run the tool. It
will be installed during add-in setup, it takes a few minutes but usually
runs without any issues.)...

...and when v.0.0.3 of Access.PowerTools will be released such a "References
Lister" plug-in will be possible to get developed by everybody: if I have
had v.0.0.3 currently released I could have made and released "References
Lister" plug-in in minutes - I can't do that now that quick as it still need
to deploy all the add-in executables, and I have to go to bed now as it's
12:00 AM (17FEB10) here...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

The app is an mde - a package that I sell - and the user is not here -
actually in Bahrain.  But I'm going to put it on a test be I've got here  -
W7 r.c. (got noticed today by MS that it will be going away soon so I'd
BETTER UPGRADE NOW!) AND Office 2010 pro r.c. We'll see.  Since the version
of this app has been in use in a lot of places including this user site, I
think it must be something to do with O2K10.

I don't have a reference checker.  Do you know of one an one of those Access
sites somewhere I could crib?

TIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

>
> Rocky Smolin:
> I have an error report from an mde compiled in A2K3 but the client 
> appears to be running it with Access 2010.  The error is 'Error 561 - 
> Internal Error'.  Can't find out anything about this error.  The 
> version of the mde they're running is a few minor releases back and is 
> solid.  So I'm thinking this is a 2010 related problem.  Any clues?
>

Check your VBA project references. This sounds exactly like the error I got
when added a cdosys.dll reference to send email over SMTP.

If you have a reference checker built-in to your code, run it and it may
show the broken reference. Otherwise, plunk a development mdb on the
machine, and see if any references are missing/broken.

-Ken
--

 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 04:46:10 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:46:10 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
In-Reply-To: <sb7ae57b.038@cactus.dk>
References: <sb7ae57b.038@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4b7bc914.0506d00a.4ba6.2a59@mx.google.com>

Gustav,

I cannot seem  to get this to work correctly.
Here is  what I have

Private Function fJustifyText(curValue As Currency) As String
    Dim str As String
    'str = Format([curValue], Space(14 - (2 * Len([curValue]))) -
Abs([curValue] > 1000)) & "#,##0"))
     str = Format([curValue], Space(20 - 2 * Len([curValue]) -
Abs([curValue] > 1000)) & "#,##0")
    fJustifyText = str
    
End Function

If I pass in a value of -165000 it puts the minus then spaces then value.

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 16 February 2010 17:35
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Hi Max

If you use the font MS Sans Serif for the listbox (goes for a combobox as
well), you can use a recordsource like this:

  SELECT 
    SomeField,
    Format([AmountMin], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMin])-Abs([AmountMin]>1000)) &
"#,##0") AS SMin, 
    Format([AmountMax], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMax])-Abs([AmountMax]>1000)) &
"#,##0") AS SMax
  FROM 
    YourTable
  ORDER BY 
    SomeField;

This takes advantage of the fact that space and dot and comma for this font
consume half a "space" while digits consume a full "space".
Not very fancy but it works.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 16-02-2010 17:12 >>>
Hi,

I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right
justified.

This won't do the trick...

strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal

Varying values give varying spacing.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Max


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb 17 05:38:06 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:38:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
Message-ID: <sb7be350.050@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

To handle negative values you will need a second section of the format specification. Also, you may introduce Int to prevent errors for decimal numbers:

Format([Amount],Space(14-2*Len(Int([Amount]))-Abs([Amount]>1000)) & "#,##0;" & Space(15-2*Len(Int([Amount]))-Abs([Amount]>1000)) & "-#,##0")

The plot thickens. Did you study the solution of Lebans'?

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 17-02-2010 11:46 >>>
Gustav,

I cannot seem  to get this to work correctly.
Here is  what I have

Private Function fJustifyText(curValue As Currency) As String
    Dim str As String
    'str = Format([curValue], Space(14 - (2 * Len([curValue]))) - Abs([curValue] > 1000)) & "#,##0"))
     str = Format([curValue], Space(20 - 2 * Len([curValue]) - Abs([curValue] > 1000)) & "#,##0")
    fJustifyText = str
    
End Function

If I pass in a value of -165000 it puts the minus then spaces then value.

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 16 February 2010 17:35
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Hi Max

If you use the font MS Sans Serif for the listbox (goes for a combobox as well), you can use a recordsource like this:

  SELECT 
    SomeField,
    Format([AmountMin], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMin])-Abs([AmountMin]>1000)) & "#,##0") AS SMin, 
    Format([AmountMax], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMax])-Abs([AmountMax]>1000)) & "#,##0") AS SMax
  FROM 
    YourTable
  ORDER BY 
    SomeField;

This takes advantage of the fact that space and dot and comma for this font consume half a "space" while digits consume a full "space".
Not very fancy but it works.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 16-02-2010 17:12 >>>
Hi,

I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right justified.

This won't do the trick...

strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal

Varying values give varying spacing.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Max




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb 17 08:21:40 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:21:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
Message-ID: <sb7c098f.055@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

I looked at this again, and MS Sans Serif is not perfect. For a perfect alignment, the font to use is the OpenType "Lucida Sans", filename LSANS.TTF, size 64608 bytes, from 1991, by Bigelow & Holmes, Inc. from Type Solutions, Inc. A very nice, clean, and modern looking typeface.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 16-02-2010 18:35 >>>
Hi Max

If you use the font MS Sans Serif for the listbox (goes for a combobox as well), you can use a recordsource like this:

  SELECT 
    SomeField,
    Format([AmountMin], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMin])-Abs([AmountMin]>1000)) & "#,##0") AS SMin, 
    Format([AmountMax], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMax])-Abs([AmountMax]>1000)) & "#,##0") AS SMax
  FROM 
    YourTable
  ORDER BY 
    SomeField;

This takes advantage of the fact that space and dot and comma for this font consume half a "space" while digits consume a full "space".
Not very fancy but it works.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 16-02-2010 17:12 >>>
Hi,

I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right justified.

This won't do the trick...

strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal

Varying values give varying spacing.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Max




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 08:26:27 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:26:27 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEATBloat
In-Reply-To: <171E42DCE2DF41B3A9165730E99108FD@jislaptopdev>
References: <008401caae58$0556cc50$100464f0$@spb.ru>	<E23469577DE14945BA34F5B8BC04C50F@jislaptopdev>	<009801caae73$1bba59b0$532f0d10$@spb.ru>	<4b79a645.0506d00a.4919.5eeb@mx.google.com><009a01caae7c$c7056e00$55104a00$@spb.ru>	<4b79b0be.0707d00a.4e06.ffffd5a5@mx.google.com>
	<171E42DCE2DF41B3A9165730E99108FD@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4b7bfcca.0437560a.3802.3b85@mx.google.com>

Hi William,

You mentioned somewhere on one of these threads that you would like to have
the option of 

1. Checking References.
2. Creating References.

These have now been done in RemoteEATBloat.

The references in the source mdb are  output as text so that you can see
which are loaded and ok and which are loaded and not ok (missing).

You asked to be able to create references.

Additionally, if you put a text file in the same folder as RemoteEatBloat,
it will read it in and create a reference in the newly created mdb  along
with all the imported objects from the source mdb.
This is currently being  done as text files, eg:

RefAddFromFile.txt  file has two entries, viz:
C:\Windows\SysWow64\scrrun.dll
C:\Windows\SysWow64\cdosys.dll

Will load these reference into the new mdb.

I would like also to give the option of  loading using GUIDs, eg

RefAddFromGuid.txt
{420B2830-E718-11CF-893D-00A0C9054228}, 1, 0 

but where are these held so that I can test them.



Thanks

Max




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Feb 17 08:36:19 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:36:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Transpose rows for SQL Server
Message-ID: <4B7BFEE3.5030107@colbyconsulting.com>

I just found this in the newsletter.

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/scripts/T-SQL/69443/

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 09:02:09 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:02:09 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
In-Reply-To: <sb7c098f.055@cactus.dk>
References: <sb7c098f.055@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4b7c052b.0a04d00a.02bd.4c83@mx.google.com>

Yes that is a good font. Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 17 February 2010 14:22
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Hi Max

I looked at this again, and MS Sans Serif is not perfect. For a perfect
alignment, the font to use is the OpenType "Lucida Sans", filename
LSANS.TTF, size 64608 bytes, from 1991, by Bigelow & Holmes, Inc. from Type
Solutions, Inc. A very nice, clean, and modern looking typeface.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 16-02-2010 18:35 >>>
Hi Max

If you use the font MS Sans Serif for the listbox (goes for a combobox as
well), you can use a recordsource like this:

  SELECT 
    SomeField,
    Format([AmountMin], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMin])-Abs([AmountMin]>1000)) &
"#,##0") AS SMin, 
    Format([AmountMax], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMax])-Abs([AmountMax]>1000)) &
"#,##0") AS SMax
  FROM 
    YourTable
  ORDER BY 
    SomeField;

This takes advantage of the fact that space and dot and comma for this font
consume half a "space" while digits consume a full "space".
Not very fancy but it works.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 16-02-2010 17:12 >>>
Hi,

I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right
justified.

This won't do the trick...

strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal

Varying values give varying spacing.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Max


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 09:04:02 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:04:02 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
In-Reply-To: <sb7be350.050@cactus.dk>
References: <sb7be350.050@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4b7c059b.0702d00a.3a7b.5c3b@mx.google.com>

Still getting problems with this function, just wont compile. Gives error on
the int bit.
If I break it down, it will run but only give the integer part of the
currency.

I have downloaded the  Lebans code but that is so cumbersome because it uses
twips. Surely there must be another way.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 17 February 2010 11:38
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Hi Max

To handle negative values you will need a second section of the format
specification. Also, you may introduce Int to prevent errors for decimal
numbers:

Format([Amount],Space(14-2*Len(Int([Amount]))-Abs([Amount]>1000)) & "#,##0;"
& Space(15-2*Len(Int([Amount]))-Abs([Amount]>1000)) & "-#,##0")

The plot thickens. Did you study the solution of Lebans'?

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 17-02-2010 11:46 >>>
Gustav,

I cannot seem  to get this to work correctly.
Here is  what I have

Private Function fJustifyText(curValue As Currency) As String
    Dim str As String
    'str = Format([curValue], Space(14 - (2 * Len([curValue]))) -
Abs([curValue] > 1000)) & "#,##0"))
     str = Format([curValue], Space(20 - 2 * Len([curValue]) -
Abs([curValue] > 1000)) & "#,##0")
    fJustifyText = str
    
End Function

If I pass in a value of -165000 it puts the minus then spaces then value.

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 16 February 2010 17:35
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Hi Max

If you use the font MS Sans Serif for the listbox (goes for a combobox as
well), you can use a recordsource like this:

  SELECT 
    SomeField,
    Format([AmountMin], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMin])-Abs([AmountMin]>1000)) &
"#,##0") AS SMin, 
    Format([AmountMax], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMax])-Abs([AmountMax]>1000)) &
"#,##0") AS SMax
  FROM 
    YourTable
  ORDER BY 
    SomeField;

This takes advantage of the fact that space and dot and comma for this font
consume half a "space" while digits consume a full "space".
Not very fancy but it works.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 16-02-2010 17:12 >>>
Hi,

I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right
justified.

This won't do the trick...

strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal

Varying values give varying spacing.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Max


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb 17 09:20:11 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:20:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
Message-ID: <sb7c174b.056@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

That can't be true, you have the same compiler as I do. 
Here's the complete SQL I have tested:

SELECT 
  tblAmount.Amount, 
  Format([Amount],Space(14-2*Len(Int([Amount]))-Abs([Amount]>1000)) & "#,##0.00;" & Space(15-2*Len(Int([Amount]))-Abs([Amount]>1000)) & "-#,##0.00") AS RightAmount
FROM 
  tblAmount
ORDER BY 
  tblAmount.Amount;

But it won't accept Null values. 

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 17-02-2010 16:04 >>>
Still getting problems with this function, just wont compile. Gives error on the int bit.
If I break it down, it will run but only give the integer part of the currency.

I have downloaded the  Lebans code but that is so cumbersome because it uses
twips. Surely there must be another way.

Max




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 10:21:38 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:21:38 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
In-Reply-To: <16CE6118B8784856B66D669B18CD38DB@jislaptopdev>
References: <7c7841601002160921n3a14c5b2p55b20ded6085e278@mail.gmail.com><FB7F677710FF44BD9C3BF289C8892DF4@HAL9005>	<008e01caaf4e$5f5953c0$1e0bfb40$@spb.ru>
	<16CE6118B8784856B66D669B18CD38DB@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4b7c1795.1818d00a.0c13.ffffff8e@mx.google.com>

Yes that is now built  in to RemoteEatBloat - see my previous email on it.

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: 16 February 2010 21:58
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

...the ideal addin for references would be not only to list them but to 
store them as guid blobs and replace any that are damaged or lost for any 
reason ...the client installs something that overwrites your references, you

just write them right back ...autofix references :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:24 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010

> Afterthought: Rocky, your customer probably uses runtime therefore
> Access.PowerTools will not be helpful there - please disregard my below
> proposal.
>
> AFAIKR if you make a sample mdb with just one start-up form, which will 
> usa
> VBA code behind to list references using application.references 
> collection,
> set all the same references to this app mdb as your main app has, then
> compile it to .mde and send to run on customer site then it will list
> references marking broken ones (this marking of the broken ones will be 
> made
> by your code - just handle runtime errors using resume next and analyzing
> err.number after VBA code line execution - then present the list of form's
> multiline textbox or in a message box)...
>
> ...if the above will not work then you can make an Automation sample mdb 
> to
> run on customer site to list references of automated small mde having all
> the same references your main app has (sorry didn't use MS Access runtime
> for quite some time - I expect it allows to use Automation...)
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:04 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
>
> Hi Rocky --
>
> If you're interested to try I can add (for starters) a new feature to
> Access.PowerTools to list references of the currently opened mdb/mde 
> marking
> which ones are broken. I can release that "References Lister" plug-in
> tomorrow with new Access.PoweTools setup just to demonstrate how it can be
> done. You can use it there, and you can point to this tool to your 
> customer
> in Bahrain for them to check references of your app .mde on their system
> (but they will have to have .NET Framework SP1 installed to run the tool. 
> It
> will be installed during add-in setup, it takes a few minutes but usually
> runs without any issues.)...
>
> ...and when v.0.0.3 of Access.PowerTools will be released such a 
> "References
> Lister" plug-in will be possible to get developed by everybody: if I have
> had v.0.0.3 currently released I could have made and released "References
> Lister" plug-in in minutes - I can't do that now that quick as it still 
> need
> to deploy all the add-in executables, and I have to go to bed now as it's
> 12:00 AM (17FEB10) here...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:37 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
>
> The app is an mde - a package that I sell - and the user is not here -
> actually in Bahrain.  But I'm going to put it on a test be I've got 
> ere  -
> W7 r.c. (got noticed today by MS that it will be going away soon so I'd
> BETTER UPGRADE NOW!) AND Office 2010 pro r.c. We'll see.  Since the 
> version
> of this app has been in use in a lot of places including this user site, I
> think it must be something to do with O2K10.
>
> I don't have a reference checker.  Do you know of one an one of those 
> Access
> sites somewhere I could crib?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Error 51 in 2010
>
>>
>> Rocky Smolin:
>> I have an error report from an mde compiled in A2K3 but the client
>> appears to be running it with Access 2010.  The error is 'Error 561 -
>> Internal Error'.  Can't find out anything about this error.  The
>> version of the mde they're running is a few minor releases back and is
>> solid.  So I'm thinking this is a 2010 related problem.  Any clues?
>>
>
> Check your VBA project references. This sounds exactly like the error I 
> got
> when added a cdosys.dll reference to send email over SMTP.
>
> If you have a reference checker built-in to your code, run it and it may
> show the broken reference. Otherwise, plunk a development mdb on the
> machine, and see if any references are missing/broken.
>
> -Ken
> --
>
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Wed Feb 17 10:33:01 2010
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:33:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ADO insert command
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c1002161646s7496fc7dx973cd4b986b55688@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4dd71a0c1002161646s7496fc7dx973cd4b986b55688@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D795A8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Doug,

Try taking the semicolon off the end of the statement.  I know Microsoft
SQL doesn't use them and I'm guessing MySQL doesn't either.  I've only
seen it used in Access SQL.

HTH

Rusty 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 6:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ADO insert command

Hello All:

I have some code which connects to a MySQL database.  Simply Accounting,
in this case - they have changed their back end to MySQL from Access.

Now I want to run an insert query to grab some data from Simply.  Here's
my
code:

Public Sub ImportSimplyTables(conn As ADODB.Connection)
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  Dim Cmd As String

  Cmd = "INSERT INTO taccountx ( lId, dYtc ) SELECT tAccount.lId,
tAccount.dYtc FROM tAccount;"
  conn.Execute Cmd, , adCmdText + adExecuteNoRecords

End Sub

I've tried various combinations of adCmdText, adExecuteNoRecords, etc.
but nothing seems to work.  The Execute runs but no records are added to
my table taccountx.  I know that the connection is opened correctly; if
I create an ADO recordset from the tAccount table I can read it and the
fields are present and have data.

Any suggestions?  Thanks,

Doug
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Feb 17 11:40:03 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:40:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
In-Reply-To: <4b7c059b.0702d00a.3a7b.5c3b@mx.google.com>
References: <sb7be350.050@cactus.dk>
	<4b7c059b.0702d00a.3a7b.5c3b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <94E0981D6DDF4B74ADC6DBDE431FC197@jislaptopdev>

Max

...lol ...if there were a better way, Lebans would have did it :)
...afaik any other method is a compromise that doesn't result in perfect 
alignment.
...close but not perfect ...it all depends on what you find acceptable
...I always found Lebans code to be initially cumbersome ...but then he only 
tackled the difficult stuff
...but once I have it running, it just works and I never have to go back 
unless he updates something
...I use a LOT of his code ...just working out the common code among all his 
files is a tale in itself :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:04 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

> Still getting problems with this function, just wont compile. Gives error 
> on
> the int bit.
> If I break it down, it will run but only give the integer part of the
> currency.
>
> I have downloaded the  Lebans code but that is so cumbersome because it 
> uses
> twips. Surely there must be another way.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: 17 February 2010 11:38
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
>
> Hi Max
>
> To handle negative values you will need a second section of the format
> specification. Also, you may introduce Int to prevent errors for decimal
> numbers:
>
> Format([Amount],Space(14-2*Len(Int([Amount]))-Abs([Amount]>1000)) & 
> "#,##0;"
> & Space(15-2*Len(Int([Amount]))-Abs([Amount]>1000)) & "-#,##0")
>
> The plot thickens. Did you study the solution of Lebans'?
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 17-02-2010 11:46 >>>
> Gustav,
>
> I cannot seem  to get this to work correctly.
> Here is  what I have
>
> Private Function fJustifyText(curValue As Currency) As String
>    Dim str As String
>    'str = Format([curValue], Space(14 - (2 * Len([curValue]))) -
> Abs([curValue] > 1000)) & "#,##0"))
>     str = Format([curValue], Space(20 - 2 * Len([curValue]) -
> Abs([curValue] > 1000)) & "#,##0")
>    fJustifyText = str
>
> End Function
>
> If I pass in a value of -165000 it puts the minus then spaces then value.
>
> Max
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: 16 February 2010 17:35
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
>
> Hi Max
>
> If you use the font MS Sans Serif for the listbox (goes for a combobox as
> well), you can use a recordsource like this:
>
>  SELECT
>    SomeField,
>    Format([AmountMin], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMin])-Abs([AmountMin]>1000)) 
> &
> "#,##0") AS SMin,
>    Format([AmountMax], Space(14-2*Len([AmountMax])-Abs([AmountMax]>1000)) 
> &
> "#,##0") AS SMax
>  FROM
>    YourTable
>  ORDER BY
>    SomeField;
>
> This takes advantage of the fact that space and dot and comma for this 
> font
> consume half a "space" while digits consume a full "space".
> Not very fancy but it works.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 16-02-2010 17:12 >>>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right
> justified.
>
> This won't do the trick...
>
> strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
> strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal
>
> Varying values give varying spacing.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> Max
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Feb 17 11:43:10 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:43:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
Message-ID: <C9BB060CA8A640D68578E658C8EB9BA7@danwaters>

Good Morning!

I've mentioned a few times that I was working on upgrading Max's EATBloat
form (having started last year!).  

This is a significant change: 
  
  There are 2 listboxes to quickly manage the objects to be exported.

  The objects are all exported to the same export folder, which is date and
time stamped.  The text files have prefix names to correspond with which
type of object it is so you can quickly select what you want to import.

  You can quickly include or exclude linked tables.

  I have only used this in Access 2003.

  I have not tried to use this yet with any database other than the Current
Database.


To get a copy:
	http://www.promationsystems.com/databaseadvisors.htm

Download the EAT.pdf file, and then change the extension to .mdb.  Then
place the single form, frmEAT, into your database.

Please review the pages titled About, Steps, and Notes.


If you have some ideas or find some problems please respond using my email
address at dwaters at usinternet.com.


Thanks!
Dan






From adtp at airtelmail.in  Wed Feb 17 12:25:40 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:55:40 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
References: <mailman.40625.1266266303.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>	<7c7841601002151254v6cb03924g25028f47e9a28223@mail.gmail.com>	<002701caaf22$67adc230$37094690$@spb.ru>	<4b7ac431.0a04d00a.69ea.5cdf@mx.google.com><AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E3656BECD@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
	<4b7ada09.1c05d00a.28c8.ffffef12@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <00b401caaffe$bddb72b0$3701a8c0@adtpc>

Max,

    For complete flexibility in formatting, if you are in a position to adopt simulated list box, based upon a form, my sample db named Form_SubformAsListBox might be of interest to you. It is in access 2000 file format and is available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Max (MGA) 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 23:16
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box


  Thanks Charlotte.

  I have tried Courier - awful. Courier New - awful.

  Any suggestions?

  Max


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
  Sent: 16 February 2010 16:42
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

  Oh, the memories this exercise brings back! Start with a fixed width font.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
  Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:13 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

  Hi,

  I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right
  justified.

  This won't do the trick...

  strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
  strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal

  Varying values give varying spacing.

  Any suggestions?

  Thanks

  Max

From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Feb 17 13:42:10 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:42:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D795A8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <4dd71a0c1002161646s7496fc7dx973cd4b986b55688@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D795A8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <A6D1D842889A48729F3B94681F742670@jislaptopdev>

AD

...I'm trying to implement your Match Similar Address sample (from Roger's 
site) in a client app.
...I'm working against a linked table w/38k+ records and it is impossibly 
slow
...I imported the relevant fields into a local temp table and replaced the 
DCount with a standard replacement function
...its faster ...but only marginally ...still impossible to deploy to client 
users

...any ideas on how I can speed this up?

...I considered splitting the records using some criteria but that 
essentially eviscerates the primary purpose of the code in the first place.

...any ideas appreciated ...it's a sweet little piece of code and works well 
on small tables ...but that's not what I have.

William 




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 13:49:28 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:49:28 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
In-Reply-To: <94E0981D6DDF4B74ADC6DBDE431FC197@jislaptopdev>
References: <sb7be350.050@cactus.dk>	<4b7c059b.0702d00a.3a7b.5c3b@mx.google.com>
	<94E0981D6DDF4B74ADC6DBDE431FC197@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4b7c485f.0506d00a.4ba6.7558@mx.google.com>

Here is what I have  come up with.  Code is dead simple and easy.  It all
centres on the Fonts being used for the List Box.

No twips  or  twerps.

I have a LIST BOX with 3 columns. Col 1 is text. Col2 is Credits.  Col3 is
Debits.

I needed to have the currency line up as normal, right justified in cols 2
and 3.

There may be other Fonts.  I would  appreciate if you guys can tell me if
this font come as-is on your PCs.  I have not installed it but it may have
been  put on my system via other software.

DETAILS:-

Font is:  Consolas (Thanks to Dan Waters for this tip)
Pitch is: 8

Text is not very good but it is  readable.

BUT the numeric values line up like  soldiers on parade.  And that is my
aim.

These fonts also might work: BatangChe, @MS Gothic

Here is the code below.

Max




Private Function fJustifyText(ByVal Amount As Currency) As String
    Dim iLen As Integer, strAmount As String, lVal As Long
    lVal = Int(Abs(Amount))
    strAmount = CStr(Amount)
    If Abs(Amount) - Int(Abs(Amount)) = 0 Then strAmount = Int(strAmount) &
".00"
    iLen = Len(strAmount)
    'see if the formatting will insert any "," and allow for them to a range
I am happy with
    iLen = iLen + Switch(lVal >= 1000000000, 3, lVal >= 1000000, 2, lVal >=
1000, 1, lVal >= 0, 0)
    ' default spacing for my list box is 12
    fJustifyText = String(12 - iLen, Chr(160)) & Format(Amount, "#,##0.00")
' Chr(160) on  my system is invisible and has been on all my systems to
date.  YMMV
End Function





From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 13:54:30 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:54:30 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
In-Reply-To: <C9BB060CA8A640D68578E658C8EB9BA7@danwaters>
References: <C9BB060CA8A640D68578E658C8EB9BA7@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4b7c498c.0508d00a.49b0.ffffbdd2@mx.google.com>

Well done Dan,
I haven't looked at it yet (but I  will) but I just wanted to point out a
shortcoming that John  Colby came up with on my original one with regards to
the List Boxes.

Basically, the List box has a limitation as to how much "stuff" you can get
in there. On very large systems with lots  of  objects the ListBox dies.

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 17 February 2010 17:43
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Good Morning!

I've mentioned a few times that I was working on upgrading Max's EATBloat
form (having started last year!).  

This is a significant change: 
  
  There are 2 listboxes to quickly manage the objects to be exported.

  The objects are all exported to the same export folder, which is date and
time stamped.  The text files have prefix names to correspond with which
type of object it is so you can quickly select what you want to import.

  You can quickly include or exclude linked tables.

  I have only used this in Access 2003.

  I have not tried to use this yet with any database other than the Current
Database.


To get a copy:
	http://www.promationsystems.com/databaseadvisors.htm

Download the EAT.pdf file, and then change the extension to .mdb.  Then
place the single form, frmEAT, into your database.

Please review the pages titled About, Steps, and Notes.


If you have some ideas or find some problems please respond using my email
address at dwaters at usinternet.com.


Thanks!
Dan




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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 14:00:36 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:00:36 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
In-Reply-To: <00b401caaffe$bddb72b0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <mailman.40625.1266266303.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>	<7c7841601002151254v6cb03924g25028f47e9a28223@mail.gmail.com>	<002701caaf22$67adc230$37094690$@spb.ru>	<4b7ac431.0a04d00a.69ea.5cdf@mx.google.com><AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E3656BECD@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>	<4b7ada09.1c05d00a.28c8.ffffef12@mx.google.com>
	<00b401caaffe$bddb72b0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <4b7c4afa.0702d00a.3a6d.ffffe190@mx.google.com>

Well, that is great lateral thinking. I wont pull down your example but I
will write my own.

Thanks very much AD for pointing me in this direction.  As you will see from
my previous  posting, I have just found a solution but I am so annoyed with
myself for not thinking of this alternative way to overcome the problem.

I was standing too close to it and forget my own mantra "Go and lie down and
think about it", instead of sitting here trying  to code around it.  There
is nearly always an alternative way to crack a problem once you distance
yourself from it - and that I dismally failed to do.

Thanks for the insight!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: 17 February 2010 18:26
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

Max,

    For complete flexibility in formatting, if you are in a position to
adopt simulated list box, based upon a form, my sample db named
Form_SubformAsListBox might be of interest to you. It is in access 2000 file
format and is available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Max (MGA) 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 23:16
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box


  Thanks Charlotte.

  I have tried Courier - awful. Courier New - awful.

  Any suggestions?

  Max


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
  Sent: 16 February 2010 16:42
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

  Oh, the memories this exercise brings back! Start with a fixed width font.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
  Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:13 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

  Hi,

  I am trying to get varying values in a LIST Box and have them right
  justified.

  This won't do the trick...

  strTotal = Format(Nz(rst!AcBalance, 0), "##,##0.00")
  strTotal = Space(12 - Len(strTotal)) + strTotal

  Varying values give varying spacing.

  Any suggestions?

  Thanks

  Max
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Feb 17 14:02:39 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:02:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
In-Reply-To: <4b7c485f.0506d00a.4ba6.7558@mx.google.com>
References: <sb7be350.050@cactus.dk>	<4b7c059b.0702d00a.3a7b.5c3b@mx.google.com><94E0981D6DDF4B74ADC6DBDE431FC197@jislaptopdev>
	<4b7c485f.0506d00a.4ba6.7558@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A87BBCE4C4A04683A1960492ED30CC85@jislaptopdev>

...Consolas is installed with any Vista or Office 2007 install and above.
...it can be downloaded from MS
...it is specifically designed to be used with Clear Type on LCD screens 
where it is imnsho very clear
...try turning on Clear Type and tuning it using the Consolas font

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:49 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

> Here is what I have  come up with.  Code is dead simple and easy.  It all
> centres on the Fonts being used for the List Box.
>
> No twips  or  twerps.
>
> I have a LIST BOX with 3 columns. Col 1 is text. Col2 is Credits.  Col3 is
> Debits.
>
> I needed to have the currency line up as normal, right justified in cols 2
> and 3.
>
> There may be other Fonts.  I would  appreciate if you guys can tell me if
> this font come as-is on your PCs.  I have not installed it but it may have
> been  put on my system via other software.
>
> DETAILS:-
>
> Font is:  Consolas (Thanks to Dan Waters for this tip)
> Pitch is: 8
>
> Text is not very good but it is  readable.
>
> BUT the numeric values line up like  soldiers on parade.  And that is my
> aim.
>
> These fonts also might work: BatangChe, @MS Gothic
>
> Here is the code below.
>
> Max
>
>
>
>
> Private Function fJustifyText(ByVal Amount As Currency) As String
>    Dim iLen As Integer, strAmount As String, lVal As Long
>    lVal = Int(Abs(Amount))
>    strAmount = CStr(Amount)
>    If Abs(Amount) - Int(Abs(Amount)) = 0 Then strAmount = Int(strAmount) &
> ".00"
>    iLen = Len(strAmount)
>    'see if the formatting will insert any "," and allow for them to a 
> range
> I am happy with
>    iLen = iLen + Switch(lVal >= 1000000000, 3, lVal >= 1000000, 2, lVal >=
> 1000, 1, lVal >= 0, 0)
>    ' default spacing for my list box is 12
>    fJustifyText = String(12 - iLen, Chr(160)) & Format(Amount, "#,##0.00")
> ' Chr(160) on  my system is invisible and has been on all my systems to
> date.  YMMV
> End Function
>
>
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Feb 17 14:05:09 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:05:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations
In-Reply-To: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6B5@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

There's been a lot of response, on this thread, I'm just going to
through in my two cents.

I used to use persist's ASPEmail.  Very simple SMTP based email .dll.
Began running into a few problems with that, because SMTP is a security
hole if left open to the outside.  In a corporate environment, any
network admin worth his salt is going to limit the SMTP port to the
corporate mail server, and disable SMTP routing.  Which means, you need
to use an authenticated account, using a enabled system to send email
with.

So in my later projects, I began using a very simple method....Outlook.
I also took another approach.  I really don't have anything where I need
a truly automated email to be sent.  The email is due to an action a
user does, to alert someone else, or to send something.  So what I do,
is open an email item, attach whatever, fill in the To, Subject, and
create the expected email body, but I don't send it.  Outlook balks at
this.  And even though there are utilities out there to get around this,
I just let the user hit send.  This lets them check, or modify the email
before it is sent, and only adds one additional click for the user.
Now, if 500 emails need to go out for an action, this approach would
certainly not be workable.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] EMail recommendations

Hey All

I have spent the last couple of days looking all kinds of code for 
EMailing (COD, STMP etc.) and third party products, (Blat etc. currently

looking at Total Access EMailer). Does anyone have any suggestions on 
what route to go, to send EMails with attachments from an Access 
application. I do not want to muck around on the user's machine 
(basically stay away from their registry, no other installs other than 
the Access application). Basically a no brainer for the user (enter your

user ID but no enter your STMP server address/ID etc.).  Orrrrrrrr.....I

am totally off base on this one and there is no easy simple solution.

Thanks


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 14:37:43 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:37:43 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
In-Reply-To: <A87BBCE4C4A04683A1960492ED30CC85@jislaptopdev>
References: <sb7be350.050@cactus.dk>	<4b7c059b.0702d00a.3a7b.5c3b@mx.google.com><94E0981D6DDF4B74ADC6DBDE431FC197@jislaptopdev>	<4b7c485f.0506d00a.4ba6.7558@mx.google.com>
	<A87BBCE4C4A04683A1960492ED30CC85@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4b7c53b0.0a04d00a.6e35.ffffc0d5@mx.google.com>

Yes, ClearType comes on by default and I have just checked and it is ok.

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: 17 February 2010 20:03
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

...Consolas is installed with any Vista or Office 2007 install and above.
...it can be downloaded from MS
...it is specifically designed to be used with Clear Type on LCD screens 
where it is imnsho very clear
...try turning on Clear Type and tuning it using the Consolas font

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:49 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

> Here is what I have  come up with.  Code is dead simple and easy.  It all
> centres on the Fonts being used for the List Box.
>
> No twips  or  twerps.
>
> I have a LIST BOX with 3 columns. Col 1 is text. Col2 is Credits.  Col3 is
> Debits.
>
> I needed to have the currency line up as normal, right justified in cols 2
> and 3.
>
> There may be other Fonts.  I would  appreciate if you guys can tell me if
> this font come as-is on your PCs.  I have not installed it but it may have
> been  put on my system via other software.
>
> DETAILS:-
>
> Font is:  Consolas (Thanks to Dan Waters for this tip)
> Pitch is: 8
>
> Text is not very good but it is  readable.
>
> BUT the numeric values line up like  soldiers on parade.  And that is my
> aim.
>
> These fonts also might work: BatangChe, @MS Gothic
>
> Here is the code below.
>
> Max
>
>
>
>
> Private Function fJustifyText(ByVal Amount As Currency) As String
>    Dim iLen As Integer, strAmount As String, lVal As Long
>    lVal = Int(Abs(Amount))
>    strAmount = CStr(Amount)
>    If Abs(Amount) - Int(Abs(Amount)) = 0 Then strAmount = Int(strAmount) &
> ".00"
>    iLen = Len(strAmount)
>    'see if the formatting will insert any "," and allow for them to a 
> range
> I am happy with
>    iLen = iLen + Switch(lVal >= 1000000000, 3, lVal >= 1000000, 2, lVal >=
> 1000, 1, lVal >= 0, 0)
>    ' default spacing for my list box is 12
>    fJustifyText = String(12 - iLen, Chr(160)) & Format(Amount, "#,##0.00")
> ' Chr(160) on  my system is invisible and has been on all my systems to
> date.  YMMV
> End Function
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Feb 17 14:54:11 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:54:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
In-Reply-To: <9F514CB31E75473AAF3A9689D9CD1CFE@jislaptopdev>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com><06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev><4B796C1D.1080405@nanaimo.ark.com>	<E7CDBC868BAA4F869542F06BEDDD0C57@jislaptopdev>
	<9F514CB31E75473AAF3A9689D9CD1CFE@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4B7C5773.4020006@colbyconsulting.com>

collections go from 0 to Col.Count-1

You are going from 1 to Col.count

 >         For i = 1 To cName.Count

 >>>         For i = 0 To cName.Count-1

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


William Hindman wrote:
> ...no, I'm not looking for a bill collector :)
> 
> ...I'm running the following code behind a form.
> ...the code in InitialzeData runs just fine, no errors, and the displays 
> work.
> ...the code in InitializeData2 gives an error every time on the line
> Rose1.AddButton cName(i), "12," & cPolygon(i)
> ...the difference is of course that one uses a txt file to initialize the 
> collections and the other uses an Access table with the same data
> ...the nCount in InitializeData2 shows 3 records read as it should
> ...the error is "Runtime error 3420. Object Invalid or No Longer Set"
> ...I'm a virgin in trying to code collections ...looking for a guru to tell 
> me what I'm doing wrong ;)
> 
> William
> --------------------------------------------
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> 
>     Dim cPolygon As New Collection
>     Dim cName As New Collection
>     Dim cStatusbar As New Collection
>     Dim cLabel As New Collection
> 
> 
> Private Sub Form_Load()
> 
>     Dim i As Integer
> 
>     '-----
>     'Initialize data
>     'InitializeData
>     InitializeData2
> 
>     '-----Add hotspot buttons to map and display
>     Rose1.BitmapPath = GetAppPath()
>     'Rose1.SetCustomColorPalette "map_ncal.bmp"
>     Rose1.Wallpaper = "MBCC_Hall_C_Spring_001.bmp"
>     'Rose1.Wallpaper = "map_ncal.bmp"
>     Rose1.StartForm "Form1"
>         For i = 1 To cName.Count
>             Rose1.AddButton cName(i), "12," & cPolygon(i)
>             Rose1.SetButtonStatusbar "", cStatusbar(i)
>             Rose1.SetButtonLabel "", cLabel(i)
>         Next
>     Rose1.EndForm
>     Rose1.OpenForm "Form1"
> 
> 
> End Sub
> 
> Private Sub Form_Unload(Cancel As Integer)
> 
>     '-----Clear up
>     Set cPolygon = Nothing
>     Set cName = Nothing
>     Set cStatusbar = Nothing
>     Set cLabel = Nothing
> 
> End Sub
> 
> Private Function GetAppPath() As String
>     'Working variables
>     Dim sAppPath As String
>     Dim i As Integer, nLen As Integer, nPos As Integer
> 
>     sAppPath = Application.DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0).Name
>     nLen = Len(sAppPath)
>     For i = 1 To nLen
>         If Mid(sAppPath, nLen - i, 1) = "\" Then
>             nPos = nLen - i
>             Exit For
>         End If
>     Next
>     sAppPath = Left(sAppPath, nPos - 1)
>     GetAppPath = sAppPath
> 
> End Function
> 
> Private Sub InitializeData()
> 
> 
>     '-----Hotspot Polygon Data
>     cPolygon.Add "0238, 75,61,18,18, 75 61 92 61 92 78 75 78 75 61 75 61 92 
> 61"
>     cPolygon.Add "0239, 113,61,18,18, 113 61 130 61 130 78 113 78 113 61"
>     cPolygon.Add "1333, 733,137,18,17, 750 137 750 153 733 153 733 137"
> 
>     '-----Hotspot button names
>     cName.Add "0238"
>     cName.Add "0239"
>     cName.Add "1333"
> 
>     '-----Hotspot status bar text
>     cStatusbar.Add "Booth 0238"
>     cStatusbar.Add "Booth 0239"
>     cStatusbar.Add "Booth 1333"
> 
> 
>     '-----Hotspot button labels
>     cLabel.Add "0238"
>     cLabel.Add "0239"
>     cLabel.Add "1333"
> 
> End Sub
> Private Sub InitializeData2()
> 
>     Dim i As Integer, nCount As Integer
>     Dim dbs As DAO.Database, rst As DAO.Recordset
>     Dim strSQL As String
> 
>     '-----Get data from table
>     Set dbs = CurrentDb
>     Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("tblFloorPlans")
>     'strSQL = "SELECT [ID], [RegionName], [Statusbar], [Label], [Polygon] 
> FROM tblFloorPlans;"
>     'Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
>     rst.MoveLast
>     nCount = rst.RecordCount
>     'If nCount > 0 Then
>       'MsgBox nCount, vbInformation
>     'End If
>     rst.MoveFirst
> 
>     '-----Fill data to collections
>     For i = 1 To nCount
>         cName.Add rst!RegionName
>         cStatusbar.Add rst!Statusbar
>         cLabel.Add rst!Label
>         cPolygon.Add rst!Polygon
>         rst.MoveNext
>     Next
> 
>     '-----Close
>     rst.Close
>     Set dbs = Nothing 
> 
> 


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Feb 17 15:02:50 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:02:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
In-Reply-To: <A6D1D842889A48729F3B94681F742670@jislaptopdev>
References: <4dd71a0c1002161646s7496fc7dx973cd4b986b55688@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D795A8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<A6D1D842889A48729F3B94681F742670@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <8A2C9673067642FFA097F936C2C81ED9@XPS>

William,

  I haven't seen the code, but using .Seek on an index is the fastest way to
find something with JET.

  With 38K+ records, your definitely in that territory if you want fairly
quick (sub second) response.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea

AD

...I'm trying to implement your Match Similar Address sample (from Roger's 
site) in a client app.
...I'm working against a linked table w/38k+ records and it is impossibly 
slow
...I imported the relevant fields into a local temp table and replaced the 
DCount with a standard replacement function
...its faster ...but only marginally ...still impossible to deploy to client

users

...any ideas on how I can speed this up?

...I considered splitting the records using some criteria but that 
essentially eviscerates the primary purpose of the code in the first place.

...any ideas appreciated ...it's a sweet little piece of code and works well

on small tables ...but that's not what I have.

William 


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Feb 17 15:19:56 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:19:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
In-Reply-To: <4B7C5773.4020006@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com><06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev><4B796C1D.1080405@nanaimo.ark.com>	<E7CDBC868BAA4F869542F06BEDDD0C57@jislaptopdev><9F514CB31E75473AAF3A9689D9CD1CFE@jislaptopdev>
	<4B7C5773.4020006@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <C8A22D343F2C4B7783387D2BFFEC05C9@jislaptopdev>

...thanks JC ...that turned out to be a minor nit in the code ...the real 
problem was that for some bizarre reason the collection didn't treat the 
records as text ...I could count the records in the collection but couldn't 
read them ...Max suggested I load them as a string and that cured the 
problem :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:54 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...collections guru?

> collections go from 0 to Col.Count-1
>
> You are going from 1 to Col.count
>
> >         For i = 1 To cName.Count
>
> >>>         For i = 0 To cName.Count-1
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> William Hindman wrote:
>> ...no, I'm not looking for a bill collector :)
>>
>> ...I'm running the following code behind a form.
>> ...the code in InitialzeData runs just fine, no errors, and the displays
>> work.
>> ...the code in InitializeData2 gives an error every time on the line
>> Rose1.AddButton cName(i), "12," & cPolygon(i)
>> ...the difference is of course that one uses a txt file to initialize the
>> collections and the other uses an Access table with the same data
>> ...the nCount in InitializeData2 shows 3 records read as it should
>> ...the error is "Runtime error 3420. Object Invalid or No Longer Set"
>> ...I'm a virgin in trying to code collections ...looking for a guru to 
>> tell
>> me what I'm doing wrong ;)
>>
>> William
>> --------------------------------------------
>> Option Compare Database
>> Option Explicit
>>
>>     Dim cPolygon As New Collection
>>     Dim cName As New Collection
>>     Dim cStatusbar As New Collection
>>     Dim cLabel As New Collection
>>
>>
>> Private Sub Form_Load()
>>
>>     Dim i As Integer
>>
>>     '-----
>>     'Initialize data
>>     'InitializeData
>>     InitializeData2
>>
>>     '-----Add hotspot buttons to map and display
>>     Rose1.BitmapPath = GetAppPath()
>>     'Rose1.SetCustomColorPalette "map_ncal.bmp"
>>     Rose1.Wallpaper = "MBCC_Hall_C_Spring_001.bmp"
>>     'Rose1.Wallpaper = "map_ncal.bmp"
>>     Rose1.StartForm "Form1"
>>         For i = 1 To cName.Count
>>             Rose1.AddButton cName(i), "12," & cPolygon(i)
>>             Rose1.SetButtonStatusbar "", cStatusbar(i)
>>             Rose1.SetButtonLabel "", cLabel(i)
>>         Next
>>     Rose1.EndForm
>>     Rose1.OpenForm "Form1"
>>
>>
>> End Sub
>>
>> Private Sub Form_Unload(Cancel As Integer)
>>
>>     '-----Clear up
>>     Set cPolygon = Nothing
>>     Set cName = Nothing
>>     Set cStatusbar = Nothing
>>     Set cLabel = Nothing
>>
>> End Sub
>>
>> Private Function GetAppPath() As String
>>     'Working variables
>>     Dim sAppPath As String
>>     Dim i As Integer, nLen As Integer, nPos As Integer
>>
>>     sAppPath = Application.DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0).Name
>>     nLen = Len(sAppPath)
>>     For i = 1 To nLen
>>         If Mid(sAppPath, nLen - i, 1) = "\" Then
>>             nPos = nLen - i
>>             Exit For
>>         End If
>>     Next
>>     sAppPath = Left(sAppPath, nPos - 1)
>>     GetAppPath = sAppPath
>>
>> End Function
>>
>> Private Sub InitializeData()
>>
>>
>>     '-----Hotspot Polygon Data
>>     cPolygon.Add "0238, 75,61,18,18, 75 61 92 61 92 78 75 78 75 61 75 61 
>> 92
>> 61"
>>     cPolygon.Add "0239, 113,61,18,18, 113 61 130 61 130 78 113 78 113 61"
>>     cPolygon.Add "1333, 733,137,18,17, 750 137 750 153 733 153 733 137"
>>
>>     '-----Hotspot button names
>>     cName.Add "0238"
>>     cName.Add "0239"
>>     cName.Add "1333"
>>
>>     '-----Hotspot status bar text
>>     cStatusbar.Add "Booth 0238"
>>     cStatusbar.Add "Booth 0239"
>>     cStatusbar.Add "Booth 1333"
>>
>>
>>     '-----Hotspot button labels
>>     cLabel.Add "0238"
>>     cLabel.Add "0239"
>>     cLabel.Add "1333"
>>
>> End Sub
>> Private Sub InitializeData2()
>>
>>     Dim i As Integer, nCount As Integer
>>     Dim dbs As DAO.Database, rst As DAO.Recordset
>>     Dim strSQL As String
>>
>>     '-----Get data from table
>>     Set dbs = CurrentDb
>>     Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("tblFloorPlans")
>>     'strSQL = "SELECT [ID], [RegionName], [Statusbar], [Label], [Polygon]
>> FROM tblFloorPlans;"
>>     'Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
>>     rst.MoveLast
>>     nCount = rst.RecordCount
>>     'If nCount > 0 Then
>>       'MsgBox nCount, vbInformation
>>     'End If
>>     rst.MoveFirst
>>
>>     '-----Fill data to collections
>>     For i = 1 To nCount
>>         cName.Add rst!RegionName
>>         cStatusbar.Add rst!Statusbar
>>         cLabel.Add rst!Label
>>         cPolygon.Add rst!Polygon
>>         rst.MoveNext
>>     Next
>>
>>     '-----Close
>>     rst.Close
>>     Set dbs = Nothing
>>
>>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Feb 17 15:29:06 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:29:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
In-Reply-To: <8A2C9673067642FFA097F936C2C81ED9@XPS>
References: <4dd71a0c1002161646s7496fc7dx973cd4b986b55688@mail.gmail.com><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D795A8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET><A6D1D842889A48729F3B94681F742670@jislaptopdev>
	<8A2C9673067642FFA097F936C2C81ED9@XPS>
Message-ID: <AC962290A5C7428CB7C0525552596022@jislaptopdev>

...tks Jim

http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=76

is the mdb that has the code ...I'm reluctant to post the code here w/o AD's 
permission

...basically it's a function that's being called in a query that 
"normalizes" standard address things like St Str Street etc and then 
compares them for duplicates ...really nice code that is easy to add 
functionality to and it runs fine on small record sets ...but there's the 
killer.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:02 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea

> William,
>
>  I haven't seen the code, but using .Seek on an index is the fastest way 
> to
> find something with JET.
>
>  With 38K+ records, your definitely in that territory if you want fairly
> quick (sub second) response.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
>
> AD
>
> ...I'm trying to implement your Match Similar Address sample (from Roger's
> site) in a client app.
> ...I'm working against a linked table w/38k+ records and it is impossibly
> slow
> ...I imported the relevant fields into a local temp table and replaced the
> DCount with a standard replacement function
> ...its faster ...but only marginally ...still impossible to deploy to 
> client
>
> users
>
> ...any ideas on how I can speed this up?
>
> ...I considered splitting the records using some criteria but that
> essentially eviscerates the primary purpose of the code in the first 
> place.
>
> ...any ideas appreciated ...it's a sweet little piece of code and works 
> well
>
> on small tables ...but that's not what I have.
>
> William
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Feb 17 15:40:22 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:40:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
In-Reply-To: <C8A22D343F2C4B7783387D2BFFEC05C9@jislaptopdev>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com><06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev><4B796C1D.1080405@nanaimo.ark.com>	<E7CDBC868BAA4F869542F06BEDDD0C57@jislaptopdev><9F514CB31E75473AAF3A9689D9CD1CFE@jislaptopdev>	<4B7C5773.4020006@colbyconsulting.com>
	<C8A22D343F2C4B7783387D2BFFEC05C9@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4B7C6246.5070001@colbyconsulting.com>

Collections hold variants, and can therefore hold pointers to objects such as text boxes or fields.

Thus if you (for example) feed the collection MyTextBox guess what is placed in the collection?

Yep, the text box itself.

If you feed it rst("SomeField") guess what is placed in the collection.

Yep, the FIELD itself.

You need to be careful to always use syntax like MyTextBox.Value or rst("SomeField").Value so that 
the actual VALUE of the text box (or field) is placed in the collection, and not the textbox object 
or field object.

If you really need to you CAN place the text box itself or the field itself into the collection, but 
just understand when you go to retrieve the contents from the collection, that you are dealing with 
the object itself and not the VALUE that was in the object.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


William Hindman wrote:
> ...thanks JC ...that turned out to be a minor nit in the code ...the real 
> problem was that for some bizarre reason the collection didn't treat the 
> records as text ...I could count the records in the collection but couldn't 
> read them ...Max suggested I load them as a string and that cured the 
> problem :)
> 
> William



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Feb 17 15:59:48 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:59:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
In-Reply-To: <9F514CB31E75473AAF3A9689D9CD1CFE@jislaptopdev>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com><06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev><4B796C1D.1080405@nanaimo.ark.com><E7CDBC868BAA4F869542F06BEDDD0C57@jislaptopdev>
	<9F514CB31E75473AAF3A9689D9CD1CFE@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6B9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Hmmmm, the only thing that jumps out at me is the 'Dim xxx as NEW
Collection'.

Dimension your collection with just 'As Collection', and then on the
Form_Load event use 'set xxx = New Collection', you already have the
clear up in the Unload event.  See if that makes a difference.

I don't see anything particularly wrong with your code.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ...collections guru?

...no, I'm not looking for a bill collector :)

...I'm running the following code behind a form.
...the code in InitialzeData runs just fine, no errors, and the displays

work.
...the code in InitializeData2 gives an error every time on the line
Rose1.AddButton cName(i), "12," & cPolygon(i)
...the difference is of course that one uses a txt file to initialize
the 
collections and the other uses an Access table with the same data
...the nCount in InitializeData2 shows 3 records read as it should
...the error is "Runtime error 3420. Object Invalid or No Longer Set"
...I'm a virgin in trying to code collections ...looking for a guru to
tell 
me what I'm doing wrong ;)

William
--------------------------------------------
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

    Dim cPolygon As New Collection
    Dim cName As New Collection
    Dim cStatusbar As New Collection
    Dim cLabel As New Collection


Private Sub Form_Load()

    Dim i As Integer

    '-----
    'Initialize data
    'InitializeData
    InitializeData2

    '-----Add hotspot buttons to map and display
    Rose1.BitmapPath = GetAppPath()
    'Rose1.SetCustomColorPalette "map_ncal.bmp"
    Rose1.Wallpaper = "MBCC_Hall_C_Spring_001.bmp"
    'Rose1.Wallpaper = "map_ncal.bmp"
    Rose1.StartForm "Form1"
        For i = 1 To cName.Count
            Rose1.AddButton cName(i), "12," & cPolygon(i)
            Rose1.SetButtonStatusbar "", cStatusbar(i)
            Rose1.SetButtonLabel "", cLabel(i)
        Next
    Rose1.EndForm
    Rose1.OpenForm "Form1"


End Sub

Private Sub Form_Unload(Cancel As Integer)

    '-----Clear up
    Set cPolygon = Nothing
    Set cName = Nothing
    Set cStatusbar = Nothing
    Set cLabel = Nothing

End Sub

Private Function GetAppPath() As String
    'Working variables
    Dim sAppPath As String
    Dim i As Integer, nLen As Integer, nPos As Integer

    sAppPath = Application.DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0).Name
    nLen = Len(sAppPath)
    For i = 1 To nLen
        If Mid(sAppPath, nLen - i, 1) = "\" Then
            nPos = nLen - i
            Exit For
        End If
    Next
    sAppPath = Left(sAppPath, nPos - 1)
    GetAppPath = sAppPath

End Function

Private Sub InitializeData()


    '-----Hotspot Polygon Data
    cPolygon.Add "0238, 75,61,18,18, 75 61 92 61 92 78 75 78 75 61 75 61
92 
61"
    cPolygon.Add "0239, 113,61,18,18, 113 61 130 61 130 78 113 78 113
61"
    cPolygon.Add "1333, 733,137,18,17, 750 137 750 153 733 153 733 137"

    '-----Hotspot button names
    cName.Add "0238"
    cName.Add "0239"
    cName.Add "1333"

    '-----Hotspot status bar text
    cStatusbar.Add "Booth 0238"
    cStatusbar.Add "Booth 0239"
    cStatusbar.Add "Booth 1333"


    '-----Hotspot button labels
    cLabel.Add "0238"
    cLabel.Add "0239"
    cLabel.Add "1333"

End Sub
Private Sub InitializeData2()

    Dim i As Integer, nCount As Integer
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database, rst As DAO.Recordset
    Dim strSQL As String

    '-----Get data from table
    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("tblFloorPlans")
    'strSQL = "SELECT [ID], [RegionName], [Statusbar], [Label],
[Polygon] 
FROM tblFloorPlans;"
    'Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
    rst.MoveLast
    nCount = rst.RecordCount
    'If nCount > 0 Then
      'MsgBox nCount, vbInformation
    'End If
    rst.MoveFirst

    '-----Fill data to collections
    For i = 1 To nCount
        cName.Add rst!RegionName
        cStatusbar.Add rst!Statusbar
        cLabel.Add rst!Label
        cPolygon.Add rst!Polygon
        rst.MoveNext
    Next

    '-----Close
    rst.Close
    Set dbs = Nothing 


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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Feb 17 16:00:38 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:00:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
In-Reply-To: <4B7C5773.4020006@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com><06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev><4B796C1D.1080405@nanaimo.ark.com>	<E7CDBC868BAA4F869542F06BEDDD0C57@jislaptopdev><9F514CB31E75473AAF3A9689D9CD1CFE@jislaptopdev>
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Ummm, not true JWC, collections are 1 based.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...collections guru?

collections go from 0 to Col.Count-1

You are going from 1 to Col.count

 >         For i = 1 To cName.Count

 >>>         For i = 0 To cName.Count-1

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


William Hindman wrote:
> ...no, I'm not looking for a bill collector :)
> 
> ...I'm running the following code behind a form.
> ...the code in InitialzeData runs just fine, no errors, and the
displays 
> work.
> ...the code in InitializeData2 gives an error every time on the line
> Rose1.AddButton cName(i), "12," & cPolygon(i)
> ...the difference is of course that one uses a txt file to initialize
the 
> collections and the other uses an Access table with the same data
> ...the nCount in InitializeData2 shows 3 records read as it should
> ...the error is "Runtime error 3420. Object Invalid or No Longer Set"
> ...I'm a virgin in trying to code collections ...looking for a guru to
tell 
> me what I'm doing wrong ;)
> 
> William
> --------------------------------------------
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> 
>     Dim cPolygon As New Collection
>     Dim cName As New Collection
>     Dim cStatusbar As New Collection
>     Dim cLabel As New Collection
> 
> 
> Private Sub Form_Load()
> 
>     Dim i As Integer
> 
>     '-----
>     'Initialize data
>     'InitializeData
>     InitializeData2
> 
>     '-----Add hotspot buttons to map and display
>     Rose1.BitmapPath = GetAppPath()
>     'Rose1.SetCustomColorPalette "map_ncal.bmp"
>     Rose1.Wallpaper = "MBCC_Hall_C_Spring_001.bmp"
>     'Rose1.Wallpaper = "map_ncal.bmp"
>     Rose1.StartForm "Form1"
>         For i = 1 To cName.Count
>             Rose1.AddButton cName(i), "12," & cPolygon(i)
>             Rose1.SetButtonStatusbar "", cStatusbar(i)
>             Rose1.SetButtonLabel "", cLabel(i)
>         Next
>     Rose1.EndForm
>     Rose1.OpenForm "Form1"
> 
> 
> End Sub
> 
> Private Sub Form_Unload(Cancel As Integer)
> 
>     '-----Clear up
>     Set cPolygon = Nothing
>     Set cName = Nothing
>     Set cStatusbar = Nothing
>     Set cLabel = Nothing
> 
> End Sub
> 
> Private Function GetAppPath() As String
>     'Working variables
>     Dim sAppPath As String
>     Dim i As Integer, nLen As Integer, nPos As Integer
> 
>     sAppPath = Application.DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0).Name
>     nLen = Len(sAppPath)
>     For i = 1 To nLen
>         If Mid(sAppPath, nLen - i, 1) = "\" Then
>             nPos = nLen - i
>             Exit For
>         End If
>     Next
>     sAppPath = Left(sAppPath, nPos - 1)
>     GetAppPath = sAppPath
> 
> End Function
> 
> Private Sub InitializeData()
> 
> 
>     '-----Hotspot Polygon Data
>     cPolygon.Add "0238, 75,61,18,18, 75 61 92 61 92 78 75 78 75 61 75
61 92 
> 61"
>     cPolygon.Add "0239, 113,61,18,18, 113 61 130 61 130 78 113 78 113
61"
>     cPolygon.Add "1333, 733,137,18,17, 750 137 750 153 733 153 733
137"
> 
>     '-----Hotspot button names
>     cName.Add "0238"
>     cName.Add "0239"
>     cName.Add "1333"
> 
>     '-----Hotspot status bar text
>     cStatusbar.Add "Booth 0238"
>     cStatusbar.Add "Booth 0239"
>     cStatusbar.Add "Booth 1333"
> 
> 
>     '-----Hotspot button labels
>     cLabel.Add "0238"
>     cLabel.Add "0239"
>     cLabel.Add "1333"
> 
> End Sub
> Private Sub InitializeData2()
> 
>     Dim i As Integer, nCount As Integer
>     Dim dbs As DAO.Database, rst As DAO.Recordset
>     Dim strSQL As String
> 
>     '-----Get data from table
>     Set dbs = CurrentDb
>     Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("tblFloorPlans")
>     'strSQL = "SELECT [ID], [RegionName], [Statusbar], [Label],
[Polygon] 
> FROM tblFloorPlans;"
>     'Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
>     rst.MoveLast
>     nCount = rst.RecordCount
>     'If nCount > 0 Then
>       'MsgBox nCount, vbInformation
>     'End If
>     rst.MoveFirst
> 
>     '-----Fill data to collections
>     For i = 1 To nCount
>         cName.Add rst!RegionName
>         cStatusbar.Add rst!Statusbar
>         cLabel.Add rst!Label
>         cPolygon.Add rst!Polygon
>         rst.MoveNext
>     Next
> 
>     '-----Close
>     rst.Close
>     Set dbs = Nothing 
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 18:01:38 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:01:38 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Help - lost my properties box on Forms
In-Reply-To: <4B7C6246.5070001@colbyconsulting.com>
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	<4B7C6246.5070001@colbyconsulting.com>
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Anybody got any idea of how to get my properties box back in Form Design.

Haven't a clue how it became hidden or off the page, but nothing I do will
seem to bring it back  again.

In Report Design,  it is there but not in Form Design.  I have rebooted the
PC but that  didn't help.  I have gone through  all the menu options but
zilch.  It  shows as being toggled on/off but it  just  doesn't  appear on
screen.

Any clues  would be most  appreciated.

Thanks

Max




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 18:06:02 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:06:02 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Help - lost my properties box on Forms
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com><06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev><4B796C1D.1080405@nanaimo.ark.com>	<E7CDBC868BAA4F869542F06BEDDD0C57@jislaptopdev><9F514CB31E75473AAF3A9689D9CD1CFE@jislaptopdev>	<4B7C5773.4020006@colbyconsulting.com>	<C8A22D343F2C4B7783387D2BFFEC05C9@jislaptopdev>
	<4B7C6246.5070001@colbyconsulting.com>
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Got it!

No sooner than I had clicked SEND when it occurred to me that it might be on
my TV which doubles up as a second monitor.

So, I clicked from watching Aliens to HDMI input and sure  enough there  it
was.  All I had to do was drag it back onto  my PC screen again.

I shall have to watch out for them in future.  I blame it on Ripley!

Thanks anyway

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: Max Wanadoo [mailto:max.wanadoo at gmail.com] 
Sent: 18 February 2010 00:02
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Help - lost my properties box on Forms

Anybody got any idea of how to get my properties box back in Form Design.

Haven't a clue how it became hidden or off the page, but nothing I do will
seem to bring it back  again.

In Report Design,  it is there but not in Form Design.  I have rebooted the
PC but that  didn't help.  I have gone through  all the menu options but
zilch.  It  shows as being toggled on/off but it  just  doesn't  appear on
screen.

Any clues  would be most  appreciated.

Thanks

Max




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Feb 17 18:23:40 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:23:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
In-Reply-To: <AC962290A5C7428CB7C0525552596022@jislaptopdev>
References: <4dd71a0c1002161646s7496fc7dx973cd4b986b55688@mail.gmail.com><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D795A8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET><A6D1D842889A48729F3B94681F742670@jislaptopdev><8A2C9673067642FFA097F936C2C81ED9@XPS>
	<AC962290A5C7428CB7C0525552596022@jislaptopdev>
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The problem is two fold.  First, Jet is HORRIBLE with custom functions.


Second, the way the query is setup (I downloaded the database from the
link you posted), it is going to run itself in an exponential manner.

I've emailed you offlist a modification of the original database.  It
has two global collections, one of the addresses keyed by the ID field,
and one keyed by the fixed address result.

The query is modified so that it retrieves the 'fixed address' and the
'count of similar addresses' from two functions that then retrieve the
data from the collections.  If those functions error out (cause the
collections haven't been initialized), they run the initializing
function.  

I upped the original 'data' table to about 90k records (all duplicates
of the original data).  It takes a few seconds to run through all the
records, but then retrieving the data from 'data functions' for the
query is lightning fast.

Hopefully this gets the ball rolling for you.  There is one more
obstacle to overcome.  If users are editing these, the original would
requery the subform (it still does this), which will go fine, except the
collections aren't being rebuilt.  So you would need to rebuild the
collections along with the background.

And one more tidbit, this solution is a little hackneyed cause I'm
cramming a class/solution problem into a bound query.  This same process
would work better without the query at all, using a treeview.  Would
look far better, and be easier to update.  Holler if you'd like to see
something like that instead.

Drew



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea

...tks Jim

http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=76

is the mdb that has the code ...I'm reluctant to post the code here w/o
AD's 
permission

...basically it's a function that's being called in a query that 
"normalizes" standard address things like St Str Street etc and then 
compares them for duplicates ...really nice code that is easy to add 
functionality to and it runs fine on small record sets ...but there's
the 
killer.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:02 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea

> William,
>
>  I haven't seen the code, but using .Seek on an index is the fastest
way 
> to
> find something with JET.
>
>  With 38K+ records, your definitely in that territory if you want
fairly
> quick (sub second) response.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
>
> AD
>
> ...I'm trying to implement your Match Similar Address sample (from
Roger's
> site) in a client app.
> ...I'm working against a linked table w/38k+ records and it is
impossibly
> slow
> ...I imported the relevant fields into a local temp table and replaced
the
> DCount with a standard replacement function
> ...its faster ...but only marginally ...still impossible to deploy to 
> client
>
> users
>
> ...any ideas on how I can speed this up?
>
> ...I considered splitting the records using some criteria but that
> essentially eviscerates the primary purpose of the code in the first 
> place.
>
> ...any ideas appreciated ...it's a sweet little piece of code and
works 
> well
>
> on small tables ...but that's not what I have.
>
> William
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Feb 17 19:56:45 2010
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:56:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6BA@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com><06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev><4B796C1D.1080405@nanaimo.ark.com>
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Message-ID: <017c01cab03d$a06a5fe0$0701a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

> Ummm, not true JWC, collections are 1 based.
>
> Drew

I love this discussion because it doesn't seem like there was any
CONSISTENCY applied...
Excel may be different than Access and different than Word, etc...
My solution: First test for 1 based and if the test loop blows-up on the
COUNT,
 then it's 0 based.






From adtp at airtelmail.in  Wed Feb 17 22:38:31 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:08:31 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box
References: <mailman.40625.1266266303.8732.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>	<7c7841601002151254v6cb03924g25028f47e9a28223@mail.gmail.com>	<002701caaf22$67adc230$37094690$@spb.ru>	<4b7ac431.0a04d00a.69ea.5cdf@mx.google.com><AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E3656BECD@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>	<4b7ada09.1c05d00a.28c8.ffffef12@mx.google.com><00b401caaffe$bddb72b0$3701a8c0@adtpc>
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    You are most welcome Max!  

    For your ready reference, the sample in question simulates three styles of list box i.e. (a) Multi-Select - Extended, (b) Multi-Select - Simple and (c) Single Select.  For each of these styles, two alternative modes are implemented (continuous form and datasheet form). In datasheet based alternative, the user can adjust the row height if required, so as to suit multi-line content.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Max (MGA) 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 01:30
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box


  Well, that is great lateral thinking. I wont pull down your example but I
  will write my own.

  Thanks very much AD for pointing me in this direction.  As you will see from
  my previous  posting, I have just found a solution but I am so annoyed with
  myself for not thinking of this alternative way to overcome the problem.

  I was standing too close to it and forget my own mantra "Go and lie down and
  think about it", instead of sitting here trying  to code around it.  There
  is nearly always an alternative way to crack a problem once you distance
  yourself from it - and that I dismally failed to do.

  Thanks for the insight!

  Max


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
  Sent: 17 February 2010 18:26
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Right Justify in List Box

  Max,

      For complete flexibility in formatting, if you are in a position to
  adopt simulated list box, based upon a form, my sample db named
  Form_SubformAsListBox might be of interest to you. It is in access 2000 file
  format and is available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45

  Best wishes,
  A.D. Tejpal
  ------------

From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Feb 18 01:46:22 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:46:22 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
In-Reply-To: <017c01cab03d$a06a5fe0$0701a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com><06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev><4B796C1D.1080405@nanaimo.ark.com>	<E7CDBC868BAA4F869542F06BEDDD0C57@jislaptopdev><9F514CB31E75473AAF3A9689D9CD1CFE@jislaptopdev>	<4B7C5773.4020006@colbyconsulting.com>	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6BA@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<017c01cab03d$a06a5fe0$0701a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
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Mark,
I think you have that back to front....Testing for 1 will always  work for a
non-empty container.

Test for 0 and if that blows up then you know it is 1  based.

BTW, all the example for  MS Access show 1 based including those in the F1
help.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: 18 February 2010 01:57
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...collections guru?

> Ummm, not true JWC, collections are 1 based.
>
> Drew

I love this discussion because it doesn't seem like there was any
CONSISTENCY applied...
Excel may be different than Access and different than Word, etc...
My solution: First test for 1 based and if the test loop blows-up on the
COUNT,
 then it's 0 based.




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From adtp at airtelmail.in  Thu Feb 18 04:08:11 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:38:11 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
References: <4dd71a0c1002161646s7496fc7dx973cd4b986b55688@mail.gmail.com><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D795A8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<A6D1D842889A48729F3B94681F742670@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <006101cab082$e79f8a30$3701a8c0@adtpc>

William,

    Thanks for detecting the issue. Slow speed is found attributable to the custom function having to run more than once. Also, DCount() was used so as to retain editability.

    As seen from Drew's post, he has incorporated certain modifications, using collections. As an alternative, I have modified the sample by using an auxiliary table T_FixAdd (having just two fields, i.e. ID and FixAddress) which holds the results of custom function, ensuring that this function has to run only once. First option button displays the raw data (editable), while the second option button displays groups of similar addresses, duly highlighted in color (non-editable). Zipped copy has been sent to you directly

    During tests at my end (Access 2003 desktop on Win XP), the modified db took 5 sec for 50,000 records. You might like to test this as well as Drew's file. Based upon your feedback, I could update the sample at Roger's site, either as per my revision or as per the one suggested by Drew.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 01:12
  Subject: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea


  AD

  ...I'm trying to implement your Match Similar Address sample (from Roger's 
  site) in a client app.
  ...I'm working against a linked table w/38k+ records and it is impossibly 
  slow
  ...I imported the relevant fields into a local temp table and replaced the 
  DCount with a standard replacement function
  ...its faster ...but only marginally ...still impossible to deploy to client 
  users

  ...any ideas on how I can speed this up?

  ...I considered splitting the records using some criteria but that 
  essentially eviscerates the primary purpose of the code in the first place.

  ...any ideas appreciated ...it's a sweet little piece of code and works well 
  on small tables ...but that's not what I have.

  William

From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Feb 18 08:17:41 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:17:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
In-Reply-To: <4b7c498c.0508d00a.49b0.ffffbdd2@mx.google.com>
References: <C9BB060CA8A640D68578E658C8EB9BA7@danwaters>
	<4b7c498c.0508d00a.49b0.ffffbdd2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <C69BD4C0511B4A9386096C0BCA8D4876@danwaters>

Hi Max,

In that case the developer can select All for each object type.  That puts
only one line in the list box for each object type, and the code will loop
through the list of all the objects.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Well done Dan,
I haven't looked at it yet (but I  will) but I just wanted to point out a
shortcoming that John  Colby came up with on my original one with regards to
the List Boxes.

Basically, the List box has a limitation as to how much "stuff" you can get
in there. On very large systems with lots  of  objects the ListBox dies.

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 17 February 2010 17:43
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Good Morning!

I've mentioned a few times that I was working on upgrading Max's EATBloat
form (having started last year!).  

This is a significant change: 
  
  There are 2 listboxes to quickly manage the objects to be exported.

  The objects are all exported to the same export folder, which is date and
time stamped.  The text files have prefix names to correspond with which
type of object it is so you can quickly select what you want to import.

  You can quickly include or exclude linked tables.

  I have only used this in Access 2003.

  I have not tried to use this yet with any database other than the Current
Database.


To get a copy:
	http://www.promationsystems.com/databaseadvisors.htm

Download the EAT.pdf file, and then change the extension to .mdb.  Then
place the single form, frmEAT, into your database.

Please review the pages titled About, Steps, and Notes.


If you have some ideas or find some problems please respond using my email
address at dwaters at usinternet.com.


Thanks!
Dan




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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Feb 18 08:22:54 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:22:54 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
In-Reply-To: <C69BD4C0511B4A9386096C0BCA8D4876@danwaters>
References: <C9BB060CA8A640D68578E658C8EB9BA7@danwaters>	<4b7c498c.0508d00a.49b0.ffffbdd2@mx.google.com>
	<C69BD4C0511B4A9386096C0BCA8D4876@danwaters>
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Duh, I know that Dan...

The  point is that if they select "Select" you have to populate it with all
the objects.  Therein lies the rub.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 18 February 2010 14:18
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Hi Max,

In that case the developer can select All for each object type.  That puts
only one line in the list box for each object type, and the code will loop
through the list of all the objects.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Well done Dan,
I haven't looked at it yet (but I  will) but I just wanted to point out a
shortcoming that John  Colby came up with on my original one with regards to
the List Boxes.

Basically, the List box has a limitation as to how much "stuff" you can get
in there. On very large systems with lots  of  objects the ListBox dies.

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 17 February 2010 17:43
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Good Morning!

I've mentioned a few times that I was working on upgrading Max's EATBloat
form (having started last year!).  

This is a significant change: 
  
  There are 2 listboxes to quickly manage the objects to be exported.

  The objects are all exported to the same export folder, which is date and
time stamped.  The text files have prefix names to correspond with which
type of object it is so you can quickly select what you want to import.

  You can quickly include or exclude linked tables.

  I have only used this in Access 2003.

  I have not tried to use this yet with any database other than the Current
Database.


To get a copy:
	http://www.promationsystems.com/databaseadvisors.htm

Download the EAT.pdf file, and then change the extension to .mdb.  Then
place the single form, frmEAT, into your database.

Please review the pages titled About, Steps, and Notes.


If you have some ideas or find some problems please respond using my email
address at dwaters at usinternet.com.


Thanks!
Dan




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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Feb 18 08:29:08 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:29:08 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
In-Reply-To: <C69BD4C0511B4A9386096C0BCA8D4876@danwaters>
References: <C9BB060CA8A640D68578E658C8EB9BA7@danwaters>	<4b7c498c.0508d00a.49b0.ffffbdd2@mx.google.com>
	<C69BD4C0511B4A9386096C0BCA8D4876@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4b7d4ef2.1358560a.7ea8.ffffa90e@mx.google.com>

Can anybody help me with the following code.  It doesn't  seem to want to
give me anything other that  the  first field join.

Thanks

Max

For Each Rel In CurrentDb.Relations
   With Rel
   sql = sql & "Name: " & .Name & vbCrLf
   sql = sql & "Attributes: " & .Attributes & vbCrLf
   sql = sql & "Table: " & .Table & vbCrLf
   sql = sql & "ForeignTable: " & .ForeignTable & vbCrLf
   sql = sql & "Fields:" & vbCrLf
   For Each Fld In .Fields
     sql = sql & "Field: " & Fld.Name & vbCrLf
   Next Fld
   End With
   sql = sql & vbCrLf
Next




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Feb 18 08:31:51 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:31:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
In-Reply-To: <4b7cf069.0506d00a.45f8.4e90@mx.google.com>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com><06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev><4B796C1D.1080405@nanaimo.ark.com>	<E7CDBC868BAA4F869542F06BEDDD0C57@jislaptopdev><9F514CB31E75473AAF3A9689D9CD1CFE@jislaptopdev>	<4B7C5773.4020006@colbyconsulting.com>	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6BA@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net><017c01cab03d$a06a5fe0$0701a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
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...I smell a jc battle coming on ...long time since jc went to war ...miss 
those days, I do :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:46 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...collections guru?

> Mark,
> I think you have that back to front....Testing for 1 will always  work for 
> a
> non-empty container.
>
> Test for 0 and if that blows up then you know it is 1  based.
>
> BTW, all the example for  MS Access show 1 based including those in the F1
> help.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: 18 February 2010 01:57
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
>
>> Ummm, not true JWC, collections are 1 based.
>>
>> Drew
>
> I love this discussion because it doesn't seem like there was any
> CONSISTENCY applied...
> Excel may be different than Access and different than Word, etc...
> My solution: First test for 1 based and if the test loop blows-up on the
> COUNT,
> then it's 0 based.
>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Feb 18 08:35:31 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:35:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
In-Reply-To: <4b7d4d7b.0305560a.307c.ffff93ea@mx.google.com>
References: <C9BB060CA8A640D68578E658C8EB9BA7@danwaters>	<4b7c498c.0508d00a.49b0.ffffbdd2@mx.google.com><C69BD4C0511B4A9386096C0BCA8D4876@danwaters>
	<4b7d4d7b.0305560a.307c.ffff93ea@mx.google.com>
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Do you know how many objects it takes to cause problems with a list box?
I'd guess it must be more than a hundred ...

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Duh, I know that Dan...

The  point is that if they select "Select" you have to populate it with all
the objects.  Therein lies the rub.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 18 February 2010 14:18
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Hi Max,

In that case the developer can select All for each object type.  That puts
only one line in the list box for each object type, and the code will loop
through the list of all the objects.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Well done Dan,
I haven't looked at it yet (but I  will) but I just wanted to point out a
shortcoming that John  Colby came up with on my original one with regards to
the List Boxes.

Basically, the List box has a limitation as to how much "stuff" you can get
in there. On very large systems with lots  of  objects the ListBox dies.

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 17 February 2010 17:43
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Good Morning!

I've mentioned a few times that I was working on upgrading Max's EATBloat
form (having started last year!).  

This is a significant change: 
  
  There are 2 listboxes to quickly manage the objects to be exported.

  The objects are all exported to the same export folder, which is date and
time stamped.  The text files have prefix names to correspond with which
type of object it is so you can quickly select what you want to import.

  You can quickly include or exclude linked tables.

  I have only used this in Access 2003.

  I have not tried to use this yet with any database other than the Current
Database.


To get a copy:
	http://www.promationsystems.com/databaseadvisors.htm

Download the EAT.pdf file, and then change the extension to .mdb.  Then
place the single form, frmEAT, into your database.

Please review the pages titled About, Steps, and Notes.


If you have some ideas or find some problems please respond using my email
address at dwaters at usinternet.com.


Thanks!
Dan




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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Feb 18 08:53:28 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:53:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
Message-ID: <sb7d628b.089@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

So you have compound indexes (or indices)? If not, only one field belongs to the index that is tied to the relation.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 18-02-2010 15:29 >>>
Can anybody help me with the following code.  It doesn't  seem to want to
give me anything other that  the  first field join.

Thanks

Max

For Each Rel In CurrentDb.Relations
   With Rel
   sql = sql & "Name: " & .Name & vbCrLf
   sql = sql & "Attributes: " & .Attributes & vbCrLf
   sql = sql & "Table: " & .Table & vbCrLf
   sql = sql & "ForeignTable: " & .ForeignTable & vbCrLf
   sql = sql & "Fields:" & vbCrLf
   For Each Fld In .Fields
     sql = sql & "Field: " & Fld.Name & vbCrLf
   Next Fld
   End With
   sql = sql & vbCrLf
Next




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Feb 18 08:58:56 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:58:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6BF@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Drew/AD

...amazing ...thanks for both your efforts ...on first look both appear to 
solve the problem, although AD's is a bit easier to implement from my 
perspective ...but I'm withholding further changes on my end in case Drew 
wants to feed me his proposed treeview solution ...I think I've mentioned 
many times how much I like treeviews :)

...note that I'm a bit reluctant to use a collection for this since it eats 
memory and this app already uses a large collection for mapping a trade show 
floor plan and it will be open simultaneously on several user's desks 
throughout the workday ...I also expect this Address Matching form will be 
open for extended periods of time on one or more workstations since there is 
a myriad of dirty data to be corrected ...thus I suspect I might run into 
some memory hogging problems with another large collection as a solution 
here.

...as always, I'm open to being taught or corrected :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:23 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea

> The problem is two fold.  First, Jet is HORRIBLE with custom functions.
>
>
> Second, the way the query is setup (I downloaded the database from the
> link you posted), it is going to run itself in an exponential manner.
>
> I've emailed you offlist a modification of the original database.  It
> has two global collections, one of the addresses keyed by the ID field,
> and one keyed by the fixed address result.
>
> The query is modified so that it retrieves the 'fixed address' and the
> 'count of similar addresses' from two functions that then retrieve the
> data from the collections.  If those functions error out (cause the
> collections haven't been initialized), they run the initializing
> function.
>
> I upped the original 'data' table to about 90k records (all duplicates
> of the original data).  It takes a few seconds to run through all the
> records, but then retrieving the data from 'data functions' for the
> query is lightning fast.
>
> Hopefully this gets the ball rolling for you.  There is one more
> obstacle to overcome.  If users are editing these, the original would
> requery the subform (it still does this), which will go fine, except the
> collections aren't being rebuilt.  So you would need to rebuild the
> collections along with the background.
>
> And one more tidbit, this solution is a little hackneyed cause I'm
> cramming a class/solution problem into a bound query.  This same process
> would work better without the query at all, using a treeview.  Would
> look far better, and be easier to update.  Holler if you'd like to see
> something like that instead.
>
> Drew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:29 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
>
> ...tks Jim
>
> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=76
>
> is the mdb that has the code ...I'm reluctant to post the code here w/o
> AD's
> permission
>
> ...basically it's a function that's being called in a query that
> "normalizes" standard address things like St Str Street etc and then
> compares them for duplicates ...really nice code that is easy to add
> functionality to and it runs fine on small record sets ...but there's
> the
> killer.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:02 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
>
>> William,
>>
>>  I haven't seen the code, but using .Seek on an index is the fastest
> way
>> to
>> find something with JET.
>>
>>  With 38K+ records, your definitely in that territory if you want
> fairly
>> quick (sub second) response.
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:42 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
>>
>> AD
>>
>> ...I'm trying to implement your Match Similar Address sample (from
> Roger's
>> site) in a client app.
>> ...I'm working against a linked table w/38k+ records and it is
> impossibly
>> slow
>> ...I imported the relevant fields into a local temp table and replaced
> the
>> DCount with a standard replacement function
>> ...its faster ...but only marginally ...still impossible to deploy to
>> client
>>
>> users
>>
>> ...any ideas on how I can speed this up?
>>
>> ...I considered splitting the records using some criteria but that
>> essentially eviscerates the primary purpose of the code in the first
>> place.
>>
>> ...any ideas appreciated ...it's a sweet little piece of code and
> works
>> well
>>
>> on small tables ...but that's not what I have.
>>
>> William
>>
>>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Feb 18 09:28:58 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:28:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <002f01caaf28$9573b020$c05b1060$@spb.ru>
References: <008401caae58$0556cc50$100464f0$@spb.ru>	<E23469577DE14945BA34F5B8BC04C50F@jislaptopdev>	<009801caae73$1bba59b0$532f0d10$@spb.ru>	<4b79a645.0506d00a.4919.5eeb@mx.google.com>	<009a01caae7c$c7056e00$55104a00$@spb.ru><4b79b0be.0707d00a.4e06.ffffd5a5@mx.google.com>
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Shamil

...found some time last night to play again with the Access.PowerTools 
Add-In against a larger client application.

1. Export fails on any object with a "/", ")" or "(" in the file name 
...gives you an  error and then hangs.

2. Export fails on any linked table that doesn't actually exist ...came as a 
surprise to me that the Access Linked Table Manager does not error on these 
but actually confirms that the link exists!

3. Restore fails repeatedly with an "object extension not found" error 
...never got a successful Restore on the 15Mb mdb I was working with, even 
with all linked tables removed.

4. Error msgs are cryptic to say the least ...not complaining, just noting 
that its an area that will have to be worked on at some point :))))

...don't know how you want to handle these ...I can post them on CodePlex 
from now on if you prefer or continue to post them here ...or both ...which 
ever you prefer.

...I'm waiting on your next revision before doing any further testing

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:53 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

> Thank you, Max!
>
> I have got published Access.PowerTools project on CodePlex -
> http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/.
> All the issues you noted on are listed in this project Issue Tracker -
> http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/WorkItem/List.aspx
>
> Everybody here are very welcome to try this Add-In software, and to post
> your feedback here or on project discussion area
> http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/Thread/List.aspx (everybody 
> registered
> to CodePlex and logged-in can comment on its projects, participate in
> discussions etc.)
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:38 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Aha!
>
> Got it, didn't realise it was on the menu bars.  Sorry..duh.
>
> Ok, runs ok but  not enough explanation of what is happening and what to
> expect. Backup and  Restore seemed to go  ok but "how would I know"? 
> Needs
> a bit  on hand-holding.
>
> No options to choose how tables should be  exported  (csv, xls, xml, 
> data).
> I like the "plain data" that is good - ideal for pasting into Word etc.  I
> will put that into my RemoteEatBloat program.
>
> Therefore, no option on which format to use to restore the tables.
>
> But, ran well, no problems that I could see.
>
> I will now run it  on a "problem" mdb and report back.
>
> Thanks very much - excellent job
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 15 February 2010 20:24
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Max --
>
> Please have a look:
>
> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/apce.jpg
>
> This is Access 2007.
> I tested also with Access 2003 - and that was not my development PC - and 
> I
> have got PowerTools CommandBar there.
>
> Please note that for MS Access 2003 CommandBar is getting visible only 
> when
> you have a database opened.
>
> Please note also that you have to run setup.exe - if you used
> [Right-Click]->[Install] with .msi file from setup kit it could not work
> properly.
>
> I must say I only tested large setup first on my three systems: Vista, XP
> and Windows Server 2003 - and that worked OK.
> After large setup installed/deinstalled small one worked OK also.
>
> Still learning "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" setup features - setup
> package is created by this tool "automagically" (and worked well here on
> three systems) - there could be some "blues" with it I expect - let's find
> them together...
>
> One can also ask/look at Add-In Express support forum
> (http://www.add-in-express.com/forum/index.php) - there are quite some 
> info
> there and discussions are quite active - and they are positive mainly, 
> btw,
> Andrei Smolin, you can find there is a former AccessD member (10+ years
> ago)...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
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>
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>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Feb 18 09:41:05 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:41:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
Message-ID: <7c7841601002180741o3838f531i795928a0fd319e31@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Dan Waters:
>  I have only used this in Access 2003.
>

It doesn't work with Access 2000 on my work computer.

-Ken


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Feb 18 09:40:59 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:40:59 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
In-Reply-To: <702B4E2B38294F988AF85A1B141982D2@danwaters>
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Hi Dan,

It is 64K size limited.

Have a  look here:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/79055


Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 18 February 2010 14:36
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Do you know how many objects it takes to cause problems with a list box?
I'd guess it must be more than a hundred ...

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Duh, I know that Dan...

The  point is that if they select "Select" you have to populate it with all
the objects.  Therein lies the rub.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 18 February 2010 14:18
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Hi Max,

In that case the developer can select All for each object type.  That puts
only one line in the list box for each object type, and the code will loop
through the list of all the objects.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Well done Dan,
I haven't looked at it yet (but I  will) but I just wanted to point out a
shortcoming that John  Colby came up with on my original one with regards to
the List Boxes.

Basically, the List box has a limitation as to how much "stuff" you can get
in there. On very large systems with lots  of  objects the ListBox dies.

Thanks

Max


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 17 February 2010 17:43
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Good Morning!

I've mentioned a few times that I was working on upgrading Max's EATBloat
form (having started last year!).  

This is a significant change: 
  
  There are 2 listboxes to quickly manage the objects to be exported.

  The objects are all exported to the same export folder, which is date and
time stamped.  The text files have prefix names to correspond with which
type of object it is so you can quickly select what you want to import.

  You can quickly include or exclude linked tables.

  I have only used this in Access 2003.

  I have not tried to use this yet with any database other than the Current
Database.


To get a copy:
	http://www.promationsystems.com/databaseadvisors.htm

Download the EAT.pdf file, and then change the extension to .mdb.  Then
place the single form, frmEAT, into your database.

Please review the pages titled About, Steps, and Notes.


If you have some ideas or find some problems please respond using my email
address at dwaters at usinternet.com.


Thanks!
Dan




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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Thu Feb 18 10:17:56 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:17:56 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <24F009608C3E4066A46700222D77DFF3@jislaptopdev>
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Hi William --

Thank you for your notes. I have added them to the project's Issue Tracker.
Please feel free next time to add your notes directly there.

In setup folder of add-in there should be \Logs subfolder with a log file,
which could give me some clues why add-in hangs in some cases.
Please send it to me privately.

As I noted earlier this release was aimed at testing add-in setup for
different MS Access and MS Windows versions - and that worked well.
Add-in also works well with test databases supplied with it.

I hope most/all of the current issues can be solved but please take into
account that add-in uses undocumented feature, and it may happen that for
some cases it will not work at all...  

It would be helpful if you can make an entry directly on project site (new
discussion viki) with links to the issues, which you qualify as critical,
and arranged in the order you wanted to have them fixed.

If I will not leave for short holiday next week then I will try to make
critical fixes that next week...
(Planned date for the next release - middle of March (in general I'm
planning currently one release for every month of this year)) 

I'm currently working for a customer project which is rather urgent for
release....

Thank you.

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Shamil

...found some time last night to play again with the Access.PowerTools 
Add-In against a larger client application.

1. Export fails on any object with a "/", ")" or "(" in the file name 
...gives you an  error and then hangs.

2. Export fails on any linked table that doesn't actually exist ...came as a

surprise to me that the Access Linked Table Manager does not error on these 
but actually confirms that the link exists!

3. Restore fails repeatedly with an "object extension not found" error 
...never got a successful Restore on the 15Mb mdb I was working with, even 
with all linked tables removed.

4. Error msgs are cryptic to say the least ...not complaining, just noting 
that its an area that will have to be worked on at some point :))))

...don't know how you want to handle these ...I can post them on CodePlex 
from now on if you prefer or continue to post them here ...or both ...which 
ever you prefer.

...I'm waiting on your next revision before doing any further testing

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:53 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

> Thank you, Max!
>
> I have got published Access.PowerTools project on CodePlex -
> http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/.
> All the issues you noted on are listed in this project Issue Tracker -
> http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/WorkItem/List.aspx
>
> Everybody here are very welcome to try this Add-In software, and to post
> your feedback here or on project discussion area
> http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/Thread/List.aspx (everybody 
> registered
> to CodePlex and logged-in can comment on its projects, participate in
> discussions etc.)
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:38 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Aha!
>
> Got it, didn't realise it was on the menu bars.  Sorry..duh.
>
> Ok, runs ok but  not enough explanation of what is happening and what to
> expect. Backup and  Restore seemed to go  ok but "how would I know"? 
> Needs
> a bit  on hand-holding.
>
> No options to choose how tables should be  exported  (csv, xls, xml, 
> data).
> I like the "plain data" that is good - ideal for pasting into Word etc.  I
> will put that into my RemoteEatBloat program.
>
> Therefore, no option on which format to use to restore the tables.
>
> But, ran well, no problems that I could see.
>
> I will now run it  on a "problem" mdb and report back.
>
> Thanks very much - excellent job
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 15 February 2010 20:24
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Hi Max --
>
> Please have a look:
>
> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/apce.jpg
>
> This is Access 2007.
> I tested also with Access 2003 - and that was not my development PC - and 
> I
> have got PowerTools CommandBar there.
>
> Please note that for MS Access 2003 CommandBar is getting visible only 
> when
> you have a database opened.
>
> Please note also that you have to run setup.exe - if you used
> [Right-Click]->[Install] with .msi file from setup kit it could not work
> properly.
>
> I must say I only tested large setup first on my three systems: Vista, XP
> and Windows Server 2003 - and that worked OK.
> After large setup installed/deinstalled small one worked OK also.
>
> Still learning "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" setup features - setup
> package is created by this tool "automagically" (and worked well here on
> three systems) - there could be some "blues" with it I expect - let's find
> them together...
>
> One can also ask/look at Add-In Express support forum
> (http://www.add-in-express.com/forum/index.php) - there are quite some 
> info
> there and discussions are quite active - and they are positive mainly, 
> btw,
> Andrei Smolin, you can find there is a former AccessD member (10+ years
> ago)...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> <<< snip >>>
>
>




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Feb 18 11:21:54 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:21:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
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How diehard set are you on keeping the address correcting portion in
Access?  I ask, because while you can create a neat treeview interface
in Access, you can create a whamadyne one in VB.  In posting Treeview
help here in Access, one of the limitations that I discovered that
Access has when dealing with treeviews, is menus.  You can't create
(very easily) popup menus like you can in VB.  For example, in VB, I can
give you a treeview that displays all the 'in dispute' addresses, and
then with a right click, gives a menu list of suggested addresses to
change it too.  Can't do that in Access, at least not very easily.  I
think you can use API's to create similar popup menus that you get in
VB, but I must admit a complete lack of experience in creating those
kinds of heavily code intensive menus.

The advantage of a treeview (in Access or VB), is that the
collection/class driven method would link to such a structure so that
you can modify an individual component of the collection without having
to be tied to a live data source.  In the example I sent you offline,
any change is to the data source, and you'd have to refresh the
collection in it's entirety.  With a Treeview, you are refreshing the
data in memory (which can then update the data in the table), but you
don't have to constantly rebuild the collection.

I'm pretty sure you might be resistant to a VB 6 solution since it
sounds like you have an app already in access.  Maybe an ActiveX control
made with a VB Treeview.....

Drew

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Hindman
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea

Drew/AD

...amazing ...thanks for both your efforts ...on first look both appear
to 
solve the problem, although AD's is a bit easier to implement from my 
perspective ...but I'm withholding further changes on my end in case
Drew 
wants to feed me his proposed treeview solution ...I think I've
mentioned 
many times how much I like treeviews :)

...note that I'm a bit reluctant to use a collection for this since it
eats 
memory and this app already uses a large collection for mapping a trade
show 
floor plan and it will be open simultaneously on several user's desks 
throughout the workday ...I also expect this Address Matching form will
be 
open for extended periods of time on one or more workstations since
there is 
a myriad of dirty data to be corrected ...thus I suspect I might run
into 
some memory hogging problems with another large collection as a solution

here.

...as always, I'm open to being taught or corrected :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:23 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea

> The problem is two fold.  First, Jet is HORRIBLE with custom
functions.
>
>
> Second, the way the query is setup (I downloaded the database from the
> link you posted), it is going to run itself in an exponential manner.
>
> I've emailed you offlist a modification of the original database.  It
> has two global collections, one of the addresses keyed by the ID
field,
> and one keyed by the fixed address result.
>
> The query is modified so that it retrieves the 'fixed address' and the
> 'count of similar addresses' from two functions that then retrieve the
> data from the collections.  If those functions error out (cause the
> collections haven't been initialized), they run the initializing
> function.
>
> I upped the original 'data' table to about 90k records (all duplicates
> of the original data).  It takes a few seconds to run through all the
> records, but then retrieving the data from 'data functions' for the
> query is lightning fast.
>
> Hopefully this gets the ball rolling for you.  There is one more
> obstacle to overcome.  If users are editing these, the original would
> requery the subform (it still does this), which will go fine, except
the
> collections aren't being rebuilt.  So you would need to rebuild the
> collections along with the background.
>
> And one more tidbit, this solution is a little hackneyed cause I'm
> cramming a class/solution problem into a bound query.  This same
process
> would work better without the query at all, using a treeview.  Would
> look far better, and be easier to update.  Holler if you'd like to see
> something like that instead.
>
> Drew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:29 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
>
> ...tks Jim
>
> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=76
>
> is the mdb that has the code ...I'm reluctant to post the code here
w/o
> AD's
> permission
>
> ...basically it's a function that's being called in a query that
> "normalizes" standard address things like St Str Street etc and then
> compares them for duplicates ...really nice code that is easy to add
> functionality to and it runs fine on small record sets ...but there's
> the
> killer.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:02 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
>
>> William,
>>
>>  I haven't seen the code, but using .Seek on an index is the fastest
> way
>> to
>> find something with JET.
>>
>>  With 38K+ records, your definitely in that territory if you want
> fairly
>> quick (sub second) response.
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:42 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
>>
>> AD
>>
>> ...I'm trying to implement your Match Similar Address sample (from
> Roger's
>> site) in a client app.
>> ...I'm working against a linked table w/38k+ records and it is
> impossibly
>> slow
>> ...I imported the relevant fields into a local temp table and
replaced
> the
>> DCount with a standard replacement function
>> ...its faster ...but only marginally ...still impossible to deploy to
>> client
>>
>> users
>>
>> ...any ideas on how I can speed this up?
>>
>> ...I considered splitting the records using some criteria but that
>> essentially eviscerates the primary purpose of the code in the first
>> place.
>>
>> ...any ideas appreciated ...it's a sweet little piece of code and
> works
>> well
>>
>> on small tables ...but that's not what I have.
>>
>> William
>>
>>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Feb 18 11:24:57 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:24:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
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Can you describe what happens?

Dan

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Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

>
> Dan Waters:
>  I have only used this in Access 2003.
>

It doesn't work with Access 2000 on my work computer.

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Feb 18 11:38:37 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:38:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <012a01cab0b5$ef5fc2c0$ce1f4840$@spb.ru>
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	<012a01cab0b5$ef5fc2c0$ce1f4840$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <AF8A74B2B067487DBFA166C6BDF66ADA@jislaptopdev>

Shamil

...will do
...your schedule is fine ...I work for a living as well :)
...hope you get your vacation in, I could sure use one myself

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:17 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

> Hi William --
>
> Thank you for your notes. I have added them to the project's Issue 
> Tracker.
> Please feel free next time to add your notes directly there.
>
> In setup folder of add-in there should be \Logs subfolder with a log file,
> which could give me some clues why add-in hangs in some cases.
> Please send it to me privately.
>
> As I noted earlier this release was aimed at testing add-in setup for
> different MS Access and MS Windows versions - and that worked well.
> Add-in also works well with test databases supplied with it.
>
> I hope most/all of the current issues can be solved but please take into
> account that add-in uses undocumented feature, and it may happen that for
> some cases it will not work at all...
>
> It would be helpful if you can make an entry directly on project site (new
> discussion viki) with links to the issues, which you qualify as critical,
> and arranged in the order you wanted to have them fixed.
>
> If I will not leave for short holiday next week then I will try to make
> critical fixes that next week...
> (Planned date for the next release - middle of March (in general I'm
> planning currently one release for every month of this year))
>
> I'm currently working for a customer project which is rather urgent for
> release....
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:29 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Shamil
>
> ...found some time last night to play again with the Access.PowerTools
> Add-In against a larger client application.
>
> 1. Export fails on any object with a "/", ")" or "(" in the file name
> ...gives you an  error and then hangs.
>
> 2. Export fails on any linked table that doesn't actually exist ...came as 
> a
>
> surprise to me that the Access Linked Table Manager does not error on 
> these
> but actually confirms that the link exists!
>
> 3. Restore fails repeatedly with an "object extension not found" error
> ...never got a successful Restore on the 15Mb mdb I was working with, even
> with all linked tables removed.
>
> 4. Error msgs are cryptic to say the least ...not complaining, just noting
> that its an area that will have to be worked on at some point :))))
>
> ...don't know how you want to handle these ...I can post them on CodePlex
> from now on if you prefer or continue to post them here ...or both 
> ...which
> ever you prefer.
>
> ...I'm waiting on your next revision before doing any further testing
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:53 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
>> Thank you, Max!
>>
>> I have got published Access.PowerTools project on CodePlex -
>> http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/.
>> All the issues you noted on are listed in this project Issue Tracker -
>> http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/WorkItem/List.aspx
>>
>> Everybody here are very welcome to try this Add-In software, and to post
>> your feedback here or on project discussion area
>> http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/Thread/List.aspx (everybody
>> registered
>> to CodePlex and logged-in can comment on its projects, participate in
>> discussions etc.)
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:38 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>>
>> Aha!
>>
>> Got it, didn't realise it was on the menu bars.  Sorry..duh.
>>
>> Ok, runs ok but  not enough explanation of what is happening and what to
>> expect. Backup and  Restore seemed to go  ok but "how would I know"?
>> Needs
>> a bit  on hand-holding.
>>
>> No options to choose how tables should be  exported  (csv, xls, xml,
>> data).
>> I like the "plain data" that is good - ideal for pasting into Word etc. 
>> I
>> will put that into my RemoteEatBloat program.
>>
>> Therefore, no option on which format to use to restore the tables.
>>
>> But, ran well, no problems that I could see.
>>
>> I will now run it  on a "problem" mdb and report back.
>>
>> Thanks very much - excellent job
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: 15 February 2010 20:24
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>>
>> Hi Max --
>>
>> Please have a look:
>>
>> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/apce.jpg
>>
>> This is Access 2007.
>> I tested also with Access 2003 - and that was not my development PC - and
>> I
>> have got PowerTools CommandBar there.
>>
>> Please note that for MS Access 2003 CommandBar is getting visible only
>> when
>> you have a database opened.
>>
>> Please note also that you have to run setup.exe - if you used
>> [Right-Click]->[Install] with .msi file from setup kit it could not work
>> properly.
>>
>> I must say I only tested large setup first on my three systems: Vista, XP
>> and Windows Server 2003 - and that worked OK.
>> After large setup installed/deinstalled small one worked OK also.
>>
>> Still learning "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" setup features - 
>> setup
>> package is created by this tool "automagically" (and worked well here on
>> three systems) - there could be some "blues" with it I expect - let's 
>> find
>> them together...
>>
>> One can also ask/look at Add-In Express support forum
>> (http://www.add-in-express.com/forum/index.php) - there are quite some
>> info
>> there and discussions are quite active - and they are positive mainly,
>> btw,
>> Andrei Smolin, you can find there is a former AccessD member (10+ years
>> ago)...
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> <<< snip >>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
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> 



From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Thu Feb 18 11:56:26 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:56:26 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
In-Reply-To: <AF8A74B2B067487DBFA166C6BDF66ADA@jislaptopdev>
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	<AF8A74B2B067487DBFA166C6BDF66ADA@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <014401cab0c3$b2337af0$169a70d0$@spb.ru>

Thank you, William,

I was very concentrated on customer work while sending you my prev. reply -
here is some additional info/afterthought:

http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/Thread/View.aspx?ThreadId=85822 :)

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

Shamil

...will do
...your schedule is fine ...I work for a living as well :)
...hope you get your vacation in, I could sure use one myself

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:17 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -

> Hi William --
>
> Thank you for your notes. I have added them to the project's Issue 
> Tracker.
> Please feel free next time to add your notes directly there.
>
> In setup folder of add-in there should be \Logs subfolder with a log file,
> which could give me some clues why add-in hangs in some cases.
> Please send it to me privately.
>
> As I noted earlier this release was aimed at testing add-in setup for
> different MS Access and MS Windows versions - and that worked well.
> Add-in also works well with test databases supplied with it.
>
> I hope most/all of the current issues can be solved but please take into
> account that add-in uses undocumented feature, and it may happen that for
> some cases it will not work at all...
>
> It would be helpful if you can make an entry directly on project site (new
> discussion viki) with links to the issues, which you qualify as critical,
> and arranged in the order you wanted to have them fixed.
>
> If I will not leave for short holiday next week then I will try to make
> critical fixes that next week...
> (Planned date for the next release - middle of March (in general I'm
> planning currently one release for every month of this year))
>
> I'm currently working for a customer project which is rather urgent for
> release....
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:29 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
> Shamil
>
> ...found some time last night to play again with the Access.PowerTools
> Add-In against a larger client application.
>
> 1. Export fails on any object with a "/", ")" or "(" in the file name
> ...gives you an  error and then hangs.
>
> 2. Export fails on any linked table that doesn't actually exist ...came as

> a
>
> surprise to me that the Access Linked Table Manager does not error on 
> these
> but actually confirms that the link exists!
>
> 3. Restore fails repeatedly with an "object extension not found" error
> ...never got a successful Restore on the 15Mb mdb I was working with, even
> with all linked tables removed.
>
> 4. Error msgs are cryptic to say the least ...not complaining, just noting
> that its an area that will have to be worked on at some point :))))
>
> ...don't know how you want to handle these ...I can post them on CodePlex
> from now on if you prefer or continue to post them here ...or both 
> ...which
> ever you prefer.
>
> ...I'm waiting on your next revision before doing any further testing
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:53 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>
>> Thank you, Max!
>>
>> I have got published Access.PowerTools project on CodePlex -
>> http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/.
>> All the issues you noted on are listed in this project Issue Tracker -
>> http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/WorkItem/List.aspx
>>
>> Everybody here are very welcome to try this Add-In software, and to post
>> your feedback here or on project discussion area
>> http://accesspowertools.codeplex.com/Thread/List.aspx (everybody
>> registered
>> to CodePlex and logged-in can comment on its projects, participate in
>> discussions etc.)
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max (MGA)
>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:38 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>>
>> Aha!
>>
>> Got it, didn't realise it was on the menu bars.  Sorry..duh.
>>
>> Ok, runs ok but  not enough explanation of what is happening and what to
>> expect. Backup and  Restore seemed to go  ok but "how would I know"?
>> Needs
>> a bit  on hand-holding.
>>
>> No options to choose how tables should be  exported  (csv, xls, xml,
>> data).
>> I like the "plain data" that is good - ideal for pasting into Word etc. 
>> I
>> will put that into my RemoteEatBloat program.
>>
>> Therefore, no option on which format to use to restore the tables.
>>
>> But, ran well, no problems that I could see.
>>
>> I will now run it  on a "problem" mdb and report back.
>>
>> Thanks very much - excellent job
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: 15 February 2010 20:24
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET -
>>
>> Hi Max --
>>
>> Please have a look:
>>
>> http://sms-web.biz/add-in-express/apce.jpg
>>
>> This is Access 2007.
>> I tested also with Access 2003 - and that was not my development PC - and
>> I
>> have got PowerTools CommandBar there.
>>
>> Please note that for MS Access 2003 CommandBar is getting visible only
>> when
>> you have a database opened.
>>
>> Please note also that you have to run setup.exe - if you used
>> [Right-Click]->[Install] with .msi file from setup kit it could not work
>> properly.
>>
>> I must say I only tested large setup first on my three systems: Vista, XP

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.
>> and Windows Server 2003 - and that worked OK.
>> After large setup installed/deinstalled small one worked OK also.
>>
>> Still learning "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" setup features - 
>> setup
>> package is created by this tool "automagically" (and worked well here on
>> three systems) - there could be some "blues" with it I expect - let's 
>> find
>> them together...
>>
>> One can also ask/look at Add-In Express support forum
>> (http://www.add-in-express.com/forum/index.php) - there are quite some
>> info
>> there and discussions are quite active - and they are positive mainly,
>> btw,
>> Andrei Smolin, you can find there is a former AccessD member (10+ years
>> ago)...
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> <<< snip >>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Feb 18 11:54:36 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:54:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6C3@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <4dd71a0c1002161646s7496fc7dx973cd4b986b55688@mail.gmail.com><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D795A8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET><A6D1D842889A48729F3B94681F742670@jislaptopdev><8A2C9673067642FFA097F936C2C81ED9@XPS><AC962290A5C7428CB7C0525552596022@jislaptopdev><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6BF@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net><4831D572315B4EF698F58ADB80B0F167@jislaptopdev>
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Message-ID: <60083D5245804AC38722C36381B11AB3@jislaptopdev>

Drew

...truth be told I'd never let a user fix the address anywhere except in my 
own form bound to the actual data ...my intent is to modify the final 
approach to open a form from the recordID when the user needs to correct or 
merge a record

...I'm not adverse to ActiveX except for version control problems ...if it 
was built in vb.net I'd be ok with it as long as the source was available.

...afaik both VB and Access use the same MSCOMCTL (SP6) to produce the 
treeview ...I've started using the Listview from that same control to 
replace listboxes where possible ...my whole menu system is built on a 
treeview ...if it can be done in vb, then it can likely be done in Access 
ime ...limited though that is ...but I do a lot of api stuff with my 
treeview that most Access references say can't be done

...don't kill yourself over this ...much as I like the treeview, I have a 
solution in hand that I can adapt to make it work well as a standard plug-in 
for my apps ...a treeview would just be icing on the top :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:21 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea

> How diehard set are you on keeping the address correcting portion in
> Access?  I ask, because while you can create a neat treeview interface
> in Access, you can create a whamadyne one in VB.  In posting Treeview
> help here in Access, one of the limitations that I discovered that
> Access has when dealing with treeviews, is menus.  You can't create
> (very easily) popup menus like you can in VB.  For example, in VB, I can
> give you a treeview that displays all the 'in dispute' addresses, and
> then with a right click, gives a menu list of suggested addresses to
> change it too.  Can't do that in Access, at least not very easily.  I
> think you can use API's to create similar popup menus that you get in
> VB, but I must admit a complete lack of experience in creating those
> kinds of heavily code intensive menus.
>
> The advantage of a treeview (in Access or VB), is that the
> collection/class driven method would link to such a structure so that
> you can modify an individual component of the collection without having
> to be tied to a live data source.  In the example I sent you offline,
> any change is to the data source, and you'd have to refresh the
> collection in it's entirety.  With a Treeview, you are refreshing the
> data in memory (which can then update the data in the table), but you
> don't have to constantly rebuild the collection.
>
> I'm pretty sure you might be resistant to a VB 6 solution since it
> sounds like you have an app already in access.  Maybe an ActiveX control
> made with a VB Treeview.....
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
>
> Drew/AD
>
> ...amazing ...thanks for both your efforts ...on first look both appear
> to
> solve the problem, although AD's is a bit easier to implement from my
> perspective ...but I'm withholding further changes on my end in case
> Drew
> wants to feed me his proposed treeview solution ...I think I've
> mentioned
> many times how much I like treeviews :)
>
> ...note that I'm a bit reluctant to use a collection for this since it
> eats
> memory and this app already uses a large collection for mapping a trade
> show
> floor plan and it will be open simultaneously on several user's desks
> throughout the workday ...I also expect this Address Matching form will
> be
> open for extended periods of time on one or more workstations since
> there is
> a myriad of dirty data to be corrected ...thus I suspect I might run
> into
> some memory hogging problems with another large collection as a solution
>
> here.
>
> ...as always, I'm open to being taught or corrected :)
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:23 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
>
>> The problem is two fold.  First, Jet is HORRIBLE with custom
> functions.
>>
>>
>> Second, the way the query is setup (I downloaded the database from the
>> link you posted), it is going to run itself in an exponential manner.
>>
>> I've emailed you offlist a modification of the original database.  It
>> has two global collections, one of the addresses keyed by the ID
> field,
>> and one keyed by the fixed address result.
>>
>> The query is modified so that it retrieves the 'fixed address' and the
>> 'count of similar addresses' from two functions that then retrieve the
>> data from the collections.  If those functions error out (cause the
>> collections haven't been initialized), they run the initializing
>> function.
>>
>> I upped the original 'data' table to about 90k records (all duplicates
>> of the original data).  It takes a few seconds to run through all the
>> records, but then retrieving the data from 'data functions' for the
>> query is lightning fast.
>>
>> Hopefully this gets the ball rolling for you.  There is one more
>> obstacle to overcome.  If users are editing these, the original would
>> requery the subform (it still does this), which will go fine, except
> the
>> collections aren't being rebuilt.  So you would need to rebuild the
>> collections along with the background.
>>
>> And one more tidbit, this solution is a little hackneyed cause I'm
>> cramming a class/solution problem into a bound query.  This same
> process
>> would work better without the query at all, using a treeview.  Would
>> look far better, and be easier to update.  Holler if you'd like to see
>> something like that instead.
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:29 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
>>
>> ...tks Jim
>>
>> http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=76
>>
>> is the mdb that has the code ...I'm reluctant to post the code here
> w/o
>> AD's
>> permission
>>
>> ...basically it's a function that's being called in a query that
>> "normalizes" standard address things like St Str Street etc and then
>> compares them for duplicates ...really nice code that is easy to add
>> functionality to and it runs fine on small record sets ...but there's
>> the
>> killer.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:02 PM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
>>
>>> William,
>>>
>>>  I haven't seen the code, but using .Seek on an index is the fastest
>> way
>>> to
>>> find something with JET.
>>>
>>>  With 38K+ records, your definitely in that territory if you want
>> fairly
>>> quick (sub second) response.
>>>
>>> Jim.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:42 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] ...for AD and anyone with an idea
>>>
>>> AD
>>>
>>> ...I'm trying to implement your Match Similar Address sample (from
>> Roger's
>>> site) in a client app.
>>> ...I'm working against a linked table w/38k+ records and it is
>> impossibly
>>> slow
>>> ...I imported the relevant fields into a local temp table and
> replaced
>> the
>>> DCount with a standard replacement function
>>> ...its faster ...but only marginally ...still impossible to deploy to
>>> client
>>>
>>> users
>>>
>>> ...any ideas on how I can speed this up?
>>>
>>> ...I considered splitting the records using some criteria but that
>>> essentially eviscerates the primary purpose of the code in the first
>>> place.
>>>
>>> ...any ideas appreciated ...it's a sweet little piece of code and
>> works
>>> well
>>>
>>> on small tables ...but that's not what I have.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Feb 18 12:07:55 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:07:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
Message-ID: <7c7841601002181007m156a670dl7cdd8c018301fce0@mail.gmail.com>

Max,

Where do i get RemoteEatBloat? Does it work for Access 2000? If so, I'm
willing to look at it.

But to reiterate, SaveAsText/LoadFromText worked properly for the problem
form. The database was reduced in size similar to decompile/compact &
repair.

However, the bloating did not go away. Subsequent edits to the form caused
rapid file size increases and a drastic slow down in save times.

-Ken


From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
> Would you like to try RemoteEatBloat and stick it into its own newly
> created
> form and then see if that reduces it (auto compacts and repairs) so you can
> see what size it is.
>
> If it is reduced, then you could manually import it back into your main
>  mdb
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: 16 February 2010 17:44
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
>
> >
> > Max (MGA):
> > I have a similar problem but it is because  of a corrupt  form.
>  Therefore
> > RemoteEATbloat bombs out.  If I remove the offending form, it will
> compact
> > ok.
> > So, my question is, with your problem mdb is the problem the form or
> > EatBloat? Trying to pin down what else I can do to improve it.
> >
>
> Now I see what you're driving at.
>
> The form is not corrupt in the sense that it doesn't work, or can't be
> loaded. It functions fine. It is huge.
>
> And, EatBloat (SaveAsText/LoadFromText) works fine on the problem form --
> no
> errors, and the form is OK. It just doesn't fix the bloat problem. Edit the
> problem form 2 or 3 times after EatBloat, and the database quadruples in
> size. This is even for trivial changes, like moving a control, or modifying
> a single line in code.
>
> The only conclusion I can reach is that, on A2K, there are certain bloat
> problems that SaveAsText/LoadFromText can't fix.
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Feb 18 12:31:25 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:31:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
In-Reply-To: <4C5B8B90B81C4146B9A47B90481F9CAF@danwaters>
References: <7c7841601002180741o3838f531i795928a0fd319e31@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C5B8B90B81C4146B9A47B90481F9CAF@danwaters>
Message-ID: <8786a4c01002181031r212411c6v941baa5ed9efb6cc@mail.gmail.com>

In an A2007 adp (well, originally the ADP was created in A20003, I am
now running A2K7) I get an error if I try to start frmEat.

The error is in UpdateDateTime on line
Dim fso As FileSystemObject

The error is: Compile Error: User-defined type not defined.

I added references to Microsoft Scripting Runtime and Microsoft Office
12.0 Object Library, which were missing, and the forms now opens
without errors.

I then saw the notes section of the form telling me to do check the
references. :)

I selected all forms, reports and modules (I tested query, even though
they don't exist in ADPs and it did give me an error)

Anyway, (maybe I am doing this wrong?) I selected all three items in
the right (Ojects selected) list box (FORM! ALL, REPORT! ALL, MODULE!
ALL )
and I get an error in ExportAllToFile. Line 24  Set con =
dbs.Containers("Forms") (also line 29 & 34 for reports & modules)

The error is error 91, Object variable or With block variable not set.

Any idea?

Thanks,
David



On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
> Can you describe what happens?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:41 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
>
>>
>> Dan Waters:
>> ?I have only used this in Access 2003.
>>
>
> It doesn't work with Access 2000 on my work computer.
>
> -Ken
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Feb 18 12:55:35 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:55:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
In-Reply-To: <8786a4c01002181031r212411c6v941baa5ed9efb6cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841601002180741o3838f531i795928a0fd319e31@mail.gmail.com><4C5B8B90B81C4146B9A47B90481F9CAF@danwaters>
	<8786a4c01002181031r212411c6v941baa5ed9efb6cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63E04139E64A4637B4DFC2911C71AC10@danwaters>

Hi David,

Aren't line numbers great?

I will make FileSystemObjects a late-binding reference to avoid that issue.
Perhaps then the form will reset itself to Access 2007.

I'll look at the other items - but I don't have Access 2007 right now so
I'll have to come up with some way to test.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

In an A2007 adp (well, originally the ADP was created in A20003, I am
now running A2K7) I get an error if I try to start frmEat.

The error is in UpdateDateTime on line
Dim fso As FileSystemObject

The error is: Compile Error: User-defined type not defined.

I added references to Microsoft Scripting Runtime and Microsoft Office
12.0 Object Library, which were missing, and the forms now opens
without errors.

I then saw the notes section of the form telling me to do check the
references. :)

I selected all forms, reports and modules (I tested query, even though
they don't exist in ADPs and it did give me an error)

Anyway, (maybe I am doing this wrong?) I selected all three items in
the right (Ojects selected) list box (FORM! ALL, REPORT! ALL, MODULE!
ALL )
and I get an error in ExportAllToFile. Line 24  Set con =
dbs.Containers("Forms") (also line 29 & 34 for reports & modules)

The error is error 91, Object variable or With block variable not set.

Any idea?

Thanks,
David



On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
> Can you describe what happens?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:41 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
>
>>
>> Dan Waters:
>> ?I have only used this in Access 2003.
>>
>
> It doesn't work with Access 2000 on my work computer.
>
> -Ken
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Feb 18 13:16:50 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:16:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
In-Reply-To: <C9BB060CA8A640D68578E658C8EB9BA7@danwaters>
References: <C9BB060CA8A640D68578E658C8EB9BA7@danwaters>
Message-ID: <30C479B0D0804A6CB0CDF0AB71F2055B@jislaptopdev>

Dan

I've spent the past three hours with a vanilla A2k3 mdb, decompiled and 
compacted, trying to get your version to run.

I printed out and followed your instructions and notes to the letter.

First run was very slow but finally exported as csv ok ...failed to import 
anything into new mdb.

Compacted and ran again. Takes forever. Killed the process, rebooted, 
deleted the form, decompiled and compacted.

Imported, compacted, decompiled, compacted.

Tried again ...this time I let it cook for 40 minutes before killing it 
...it was half way through the queries ...this is a 15mb mdb.

I'm going to give Max's new version a spin. Let me know if you do any 
updates.

William



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:43 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

> Good Morning!
>
> I've mentioned a few times that I was working on upgrading Max's EATBloat
> form (having started last year!).
>
> This is a significant change:
>
>  There are 2 listboxes to quickly manage the objects to be exported.
>
>  The objects are all exported to the same export folder, which is date and
> time stamped.  The text files have prefix names to correspond with which
> type of object it is so you can quickly select what you want to import.
>
>  You can quickly include or exclude linked tables.
>
>  I have only used this in Access 2003.
>
>  I have not tried to use this yet with any database other than the Current
> Database.
>
>
> To get a copy:
> http://www.promationsystems.com/databaseadvisors.htm
>
> Download the EAT.pdf file, and then change the extension to .mdb.  Then
> place the single form, frmEAT, into your database.
>
> Please review the pages titled About, Steps, and Notes.
>
>
> If you have some ideas or find some problems please respond using my email
> address at dwaters at usinternet.com.
>
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Feb 18 13:26:21 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:26:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
In-Reply-To: <30C479B0D0804A6CB0CDF0AB71F2055B@jislaptopdev>
References: <C9BB060CA8A640D68578E658C8EB9BA7@danwaters>
	<30C479B0D0804A6CB0CDF0AB71F2055B@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <A5BF79439CD24513B25376D78F3353C5@danwaters>

Thanks William,

No error messages?

I am going to add in a DoEvents between each objects export and import.

Other than that I can't say what was not working.  It's worked for me many
times.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

Dan

I've spent the past three hours with a vanilla A2k3 mdb, decompiled and 
compacted, trying to get your version to run.

I printed out and followed your instructions and notes to the letter.

First run was very slow but finally exported as csv ok ...failed to import 
anything into new mdb.

Compacted and ran again. Takes forever. Killed the process, rebooted, 
deleted the form, decompiled and compacted.

Imported, compacted, decompiled, compacted.

Tried again ...this time I let it cook for 40 minutes before killing it 
...it was half way through the queries ...this is a 15mb mdb.

I'm going to give Max's new version a spin. Let me know if you do any 
updates.

William



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:43 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

> Good Morning!
>
> I've mentioned a few times that I was working on upgrading Max's EATBloat
> form (having started last year!).
>
> This is a significant change:
>
>  There are 2 listboxes to quickly manage the objects to be exported.
>
>  The objects are all exported to the same export folder, which is date and
> time stamped.  The text files have prefix names to correspond with which
> type of object it is so you can quickly select what you want to import.
>
>  You can quickly include or exclude linked tables.
>
>  I have only used this in Access 2003.
>
>  I have not tried to use this yet with any database other than the Current
> Database.
>
>
> To get a copy:
> http://www.promationsystems.com/databaseadvisors.htm
>
> Download the EAT.pdf file, and then change the extension to .mdb.  Then
> place the single form, frmEAT, into your database.
>
> Please review the pages titled About, Steps, and Notes.
>
>
> If you have some ideas or find some problems please respond using my email
> address at dwaters at usinternet.com.
>
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
>
>
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Feb 18 13:36:09 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:36:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
In-Reply-To: <63E04139E64A4637B4DFC2911C71AC10@danwaters>
References: <7c7841601002180741o3838f531i795928a0fd319e31@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C5B8B90B81C4146B9A47B90481F9CAF@danwaters>
	<8786a4c01002181031r212411c6v941baa5ed9efb6cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<63E04139E64A4637B4DFC2911C71AC10@danwaters>
Message-ID: <8786a4c01002181136y17acef7aid4e32698436bab18@mail.gmail.com>

I found a work around.

I selected all but one form, then selected the remaining form. I did
the same for reports and modules.
Everything exported successfully.

I re-imported everything into a new .ADP.  No errors.

Compiled fine. Not sure what to look for from here, but it does work
in A2K7 and with ADPs. :)

My ADP is about 6MB in size.

Does this version of Eat Bloat reset the form's controls life counter?

Thanks,
David


On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> Aren't line numbers great?
>
> I will make FileSystemObjects a late-binding reference to avoid that issue.
> Perhaps then the form will reset itself to Access 2007.
>
> I'll look at the other items - but I don't have Access 2007 right now so
> I'll have to come up with some way to test.
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
>
> In an A2007 adp (well, originally the ADP was created in A20003, I am
> now running A2K7) I get an error if I try to start frmEat.
>
> The error is in UpdateDateTime on line
> Dim fso As FileSystemObject
>
> The error is: Compile Error: User-defined type not defined.
>
> I added references to Microsoft Scripting Runtime and Microsoft Office
> 12.0 Object Library, which were missing, and the forms now opens
> without errors.
>
> I then saw the notes section of the form telling me to do check the
> references. :)
>
> I selected all forms, reports and modules (I tested query, even though
> they don't exist in ADPs and it did give me an error)
>
> Anyway, (maybe I am doing this wrong?) I selected all three items in
> the right (Ojects selected) list box (FORM! ALL, REPORT! ALL, MODULE!
> ALL )
> and I get an error in ExportAllToFile. Line 24 ?Set con =
> dbs.Containers("Forms") (also line 29 & 34 for reports & modules)
>
> The error is error 91, Object variable or With block variable not set.
>
> Any idea?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
>> Can you describe what happens?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:41 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
>>
>>>
>>> Dan Waters:
>>> ?I have only used this in Access 2003.
>>>
>>
>> It doesn't work with Access 2000 on my work computer.
>>
>> -Ken
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Feb 18 13:37:34 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:37:34 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
In-Reply-To: <sb7d628b.089@cactus.dk>
References: <sb7d628b.089@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4b7d9714.1c07d00a.7c0c.38b3@mx.google.com>

Hi Gustave,

Did you have a  change  to look at the  relationship pic I sent?

I cannot seem to get the collection to see these other joins.

Any  help  or insights would be  appreciated.

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 18 February 2010 14:53
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Relationships

Hi Max

So you have compound indexes (or indices)? If not, only one field belongs to
the index that is tied to the relation.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 18-02-2010 15:29 >>>
Can anybody help me with the following code.  It doesn't  seem to want to
give me anything other that  the  first field join.

Thanks

Max

For Each Rel In CurrentDb.Relations
   With Rel
   sql = sql & "Name: " & .Name & vbCrLf
   sql = sql & "Attributes: " & .Attributes & vbCrLf
   sql = sql & "Table: " & .Table & vbCrLf
   sql = sql & "ForeignTable: " & .ForeignTable & vbCrLf
   sql = sql & "Fields:" & vbCrLf
   For Each Fld In .Fields
     sql = sql & "Field: " & Fld.Name & vbCrLf
   Next Fld
   End With
   sql = sql & vbCrLf
Next


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Feb 18 13:47:21 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:47:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
In-Reply-To: <A5BF79439CD24513B25376D78F3353C5@danwaters>
References: <C9BB060CA8A640D68578E658C8EB9BA7@danwaters><30C479B0D0804A6CB0CDF0AB71F2055B@jislaptopdev>
	<A5BF79439CD24513B25376D78F3353C5@danwaters>
Message-ID: <27F4C3AB4803496FA50144F3D8B9C516@jislaptopdev>

Dan

...that was the most frustrating part ...no feedback ...just an eternal 
hourglass until I killed it
...there was an error msg on the first go round but I didn't log it 
...couldn't create object iirc.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:26 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

> Thanks William,
>
> No error messages?
>
> I am going to add in a DoEvents between each objects export and import.
>
> Other than that I can't say what was not working.  It's worked for me many
> times.
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:17 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
>
> Dan
>
> I've spent the past three hours with a vanilla A2k3 mdb, decompiled and
> compacted, trying to get your version to run.
>
> I printed out and followed your instructions and notes to the letter.
>
> First run was very slow but finally exported as csv ok ...failed to import
> anything into new mdb.
>
> Compacted and ran again. Takes forever. Killed the process, rebooted,
> deleted the form, decompiled and compacted.
>
> Imported, compacted, decompiled, compacted.
>
> Tried again ...this time I let it cook for 40 minutes before killing it
> ...it was half way through the queries ...this is a 15mb mdb.
>
> I'm going to give Max's new version a spin. Let me know if you do any
> updates.
>
> William
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:43 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
>
>> Good Morning!
>>
>> I've mentioned a few times that I was working on upgrading Max's EATBloat
>> form (having started last year!).
>>
>> This is a significant change:
>>
>>  There are 2 listboxes to quickly manage the objects to be exported.
>>
>>  The objects are all exported to the same export folder, which is date 
>> and
>> time stamped.  The text files have prefix names to correspond with which
>> type of object it is so you can quickly select what you want to import.
>>
>>  You can quickly include or exclude linked tables.
>>
>>  I have only used this in Access 2003.
>>
>>  I have not tried to use this yet with any database other than the 
>> Current
>> Database.
>>
>>
>> To get a copy:
>> http://www.promationsystems.com/databaseadvisors.htm
>>
>> Download the EAT.pdf file, and then change the extension to .mdb.  Then
>> place the single form, frmEAT, into your database.
>>
>> Please review the pages titled About, Steps, and Notes.
>>
>>
>> If you have some ideas or find some problems please respond using my 
>> email
>> address at dwaters at usinternet.com.
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Feb 18 14:19:49 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:19:49 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002181007m156a670dl7cdd8c018301fce0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841601002181007m156a670dl7cdd8c018301fce0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b7da114.0508d00a.49be.0e61@mx.google.com>

Ken,

When I  wrote EatBloat and again for RemoteEatBloat I specifically stated it
was for A2k3 and it tests for this and  puts your current version on the
title bar Eatbloat)

I  don't know if Dan has made it less specific on the rewrite, but it may
well be that he didn't and you may be having compatibility problems.

Would you like me to send you on RemoteEatBloat to test? It is not yet
finished and I have to handle Relationships and linking.

So far it (RemoteEatBloat) handles For Export:-

Tables (Local only - specifically does NOT do linked tables otherwise
Imports to new mdb would be incorrect).
Queries
Forms
Reports
Macros
Modules
References
Relationships (wip)
Links (wip)
It does not handle Pages (DAP) and I have no intention of bothering with
that.

It is a standalone unlike the Eatboat which required to sit inside the
source mdb.
It prompts for a source mdb
Exports selected objects as listed above (tables can be csv, xls, xml or all
of them)

For imports:
It prompts for a new mdb.
Imports exported objects into the new mdb.
Compacts and Repairs
Deletes the working  file.
Again, the Relationships (wip) and Links (wip) are work in progress.

The  source mdb  is not changed in any way.
It is an  Access  program and therefore if the source file has an access
problem then it is most unlikely that this program will overcome that.

Let me know if you want a copy

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 18 February 2010 18:08
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

Max,

Where do i get RemoteEatBloat? Does it work for Access 2000? If so, I'm
willing to look at it.

But to reiterate, SaveAsText/LoadFromText worked properly for the problem
form. The database was reduced in size similar to decompile/compact &
repair.

However, the bloating did not go away. Subsequent edits to the form caused
rapid file size increases and a drastic slow down in save times.

-Ken


From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
> Would you like to try RemoteEatBloat and stick it into its own newly
> created
> form and then see if that reduces it (auto compacts and repairs) so you
can
> see what size it is.
>
> If it is reduced, then you could manually import it back into your main
>  mdb
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: 16 February 2010 17:44
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
>
> >
> > Max (MGA):
> > I have a similar problem but it is because  of a corrupt  form.
>  Therefore
> > RemoteEATbloat bombs out.  If I remove the offending form, it will
> compact
> > ok.
> > So, my question is, with your problem mdb is the problem the form or
> > EatBloat? Trying to pin down what else I can do to improve it.
> >
>
> Now I see what you're driving at.
>
> The form is not corrupt in the sense that it doesn't work, or can't be
> loaded. It functions fine. It is huge.
>
> And, EatBloat (SaveAsText/LoadFromText) works fine on the problem form --
> no
> errors, and the form is OK. It just doesn't fix the bloat problem. Edit
the
> problem form 2 or 3 times after EatBloat, and the database quadruples in
> size. This is even for trivial changes, like moving a control, or
modifying
> a single line in code.
>
> The only conclusion I can reach is that, on A2K, there are certain bloat
> problems that SaveAsText/LoadFromText can't fix.
>
> -Ken
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Feb 18 15:12:08 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:12:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Max's Remote Eat Bloat :)))))
In-Reply-To: <27F4C3AB4803496FA50144F3D8B9C516@jislaptopdev>
References: <C9BB060CA8A640D68578E658C8EB9BA7@danwaters><30C479B0D0804A6CB0CDF0AB71F2055B@jislaptopdev><A5BF79439CD24513B25376D78F3353C5@danwaters>
	<27F4C3AB4803496FA50144F3D8B9C516@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <9106BD7ECF774E628EE5A44994CA555F@jislaptopdev>

...just a note to all that Max has a new version of his Remote Eat Bloat 
available that
worked against my worst mdb ...took it from a sluggish 15.6mb to a sleek, 
fast 11.2 mb

...it's a really cool, stand alone tool totally separate from the target 
mdb, and it incorporates a
references fix that appears to work as well.

...can't say enough about how easy this was to use compared to older 
versions :)

William 




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Feb 18 15:21:30 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:21:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
In-Reply-To: <4b7da114.0508d00a.49be.0e61@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841601002181007m156a670dl7cdd8c018301fce0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4b7da114.0508d00a.49be.0e61@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <64E2C38684074A25B0A0850A836E7283@jislaptopdev>

"It is an  Access  program and therefore if the source file has an access
problem then it is most unlikely that this program will overcome that." Max

...yes, but ...it makes it pretty easy to identify a problem file so you can 
fix or remove it and run anew.
...can't say enough about how great a step up this is from what was already 
my favorite tool :)

...that said, Shamil and Dan's efforts are much broader in scope 
...especially Shamil's ...but
in my exclusively A2k3 world, this is the cat's meeeeooooooowwwwww!

...did I mention it was fast! ...'cause it is :)

...so is my client's "like new" application :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:19 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

> Ken,
>
> When I  wrote EatBloat and again for RemoteEatBloat I specifically stated 
> it
> was for A2k3 and it tests for this and  puts your current version on the
> title bar Eatbloat)
>
> I  don't know if Dan has made it less specific on the rewrite, but it may
> well be that he didn't and you may be having compatibility problems.
>
> Would you like me to send you on RemoteEatBloat to test? It is not yet
> finished and I have to handle Relationships and linking.
>
> So far it (RemoteEatBloat) handles For Export:-
>
> Tables (Local only - specifically does NOT do linked tables otherwise
> Imports to new mdb would be incorrect).
> Queries
> Forms
> Reports
> Macros
> Modules
> References
> Relationships (wip)
> Links (wip)
> It does not handle Pages (DAP) and I have no intention of bothering with
> that.
>
> It is a standalone unlike the Eatboat which required to sit inside the
> source mdb.
> It prompts for a source mdb
> Exports selected objects as listed above (tables can be csv, xls, xml or 
> all
> of them)
>
> For imports:
> It prompts for a new mdb.
> Imports exported objects into the new mdb.
> Compacts and Repairs
> Deletes the working  file.
> Again, the Relationships (wip) and Links (wip) are work in progress.
>
> The  source mdb  is not changed in any way.
> It is an  Access  program and therefore if the source file has an access
> problem then it is most unlikely that this program will overcome that.
>
> Let me know if you want a copy
>
> Max
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: 18 February 2010 18:08
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
>
> Max,
>
> Where do i get RemoteEatBloat? Does it work for Access 2000? If so, I'm
> willing to look at it.
>
> But to reiterate, SaveAsText/LoadFromText worked properly for the problem
> form. The database was reduced in size similar to decompile/compact &
> repair.
>
> However, the bloating did not go away. Subsequent edits to the form caused
> rapid file size increases and a drastic slow down in save times.
>
> -Ken
>
>
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
>> Would you like to try RemoteEatBloat and stick it into its own newly
>> created
>> form and then see if that reduces it (auto compacts and repairs) so you
> can
>> see what size it is.
>>
>> If it is reduced, then you could manually import it back into your main
>>  mdb
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>> Sent: 16 February 2010 17:44
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
>>
>> >
>> > Max (MGA):
>> > I have a similar problem but it is because  of a corrupt  form.
>>  Therefore
>> > RemoteEATbloat bombs out.  If I remove the offending form, it will
>> compact
>> > ok.
>> > So, my question is, with your problem mdb is the problem the form or
>> > EatBloat? Trying to pin down what else I can do to improve it.
>> >
>>
>> Now I see what you're driving at.
>>
>> The form is not corrupt in the sense that it doesn't work, or can't be
>> loaded. It functions fine. It is huge.
>>
>> And, EatBloat (SaveAsText/LoadFromText) works fine on the problem form --
>> no
>> errors, and the form is OK. It just doesn't fix the bloat problem. Edit
> the
>> problem form 2 or 3 times after EatBloat, and the database quadruples in
>> size. This is even for trivial changes, like moving a control, or
> modifying
>> a single line in code.
>>
>> The only conclusion I can reach is that, on A2K, there are certain bloat
>> problems that SaveAsText/LoadFromText can't fix.
>>
>> -Ken
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Feb 18 16:36:13 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:36:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Is anyone going?
Message-ID: <4B7DC0DD.5080704@colbyconsulting.com>

I will be attending this event.  If anyone else on the list will be there and would like to meet up 
let me know.

http://www.sqlsaturday.com/eventhome.aspx?tx=31X74719UC665143E&st=Completed&amt=10.00&cc=USD&cm=&item_number=&merchant_return_link=Return+to+Fourdeuce+Inc&form_charset=UTF-8

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Feb 18 17:52:59 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:52:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
In-Reply-To: <8786a4c01002181136y17acef7aid4e32698436bab18@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841601002180741o3838f531i795928a0fd319e31@mail.gmail.com><4C5B8B90B81C4146B9A47B90481F9CAF@danwaters><8786a4c01002181031r212411c6v941baa5ed9efb6cc@mail.gmail.com><63E04139E64A4637B4DFC2911C71AC10@danwaters>
	<8786a4c01002181136y17acef7aid4e32698436bab18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0EFF605B27764034A014F73D6C29B82B@danwaters>

I didn't do anything about that, and only scanned the other messages about
that.  Did it turn out that there is actually a way to do that?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

I found a work around.

I selected all but one form, then selected the remaining form. I did
the same for reports and modules.
Everything exported successfully.

I re-imported everything into a new .ADP.  No errors.

Compiled fine. Not sure what to look for from here, but it does work
in A2K7 and with ADPs. :)

My ADP is about 6MB in size.

Does this version of Eat Bloat reset the form's controls life counter?

Thanks,
David


On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> Aren't line numbers great?
>
> I will make FileSystemObjects a late-binding reference to avoid that
issue.
> Perhaps then the form will reset itself to Access 2007.
>
> I'll look at the other items - but I don't have Access 2007 right now so
> I'll have to come up with some way to test.
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
>
> In an A2007 adp (well, originally the ADP was created in A20003, I am
> now running A2K7) I get an error if I try to start frmEat.
>
> The error is in UpdateDateTime on line
> Dim fso As FileSystemObject
>
> The error is: Compile Error: User-defined type not defined.
>
> I added references to Microsoft Scripting Runtime and Microsoft Office
> 12.0 Object Library, which were missing, and the forms now opens
> without errors.
>
> I then saw the notes section of the form telling me to do check the
> references. :)
>
> I selected all forms, reports and modules (I tested query, even though
> they don't exist in ADPs and it did give me an error)
>
> Anyway, (maybe I am doing this wrong?) I selected all three items in
> the right (Ojects selected) list box (FORM! ALL, REPORT! ALL, MODULE!
> ALL )
> and I get an error in ExportAllToFile. Line 24 ?Set con =
> dbs.Containers("Forms") (also line 29 & 34 for reports & modules)
>
> The error is error 91, Object variable or With block variable not set.
>
> Any idea?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com>
wrote:
>> Can you describe what happens?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:41 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
>>
>>>
>>> Dan Waters:
>>> ?I have only used this in Access 2003.
>>>
>>
>> It doesn't work with Access 2000 on my work computer.
>>
>> -Ken
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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Feb 18 18:41:01 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:41:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
Message-ID: <7c7841601002181641u71826863x37c2138df31cad@mail.gmail.com>

 <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>

> Dan Waters:
> Can you describe what happens?
>
> > Ken Ismert:
> > It doesn't work with Access 2000 on my work computer.
>

It doesn't compile. The biggest problems are with the ListBoxes. 2003 has
the AddItem and RemoveItem methods, which 2000 lacks.

Further, I think the value list size limit is 1024 characters in 2000, not
anywhere near adequate for the purpose. You'd have to go to a table-based
approach in 2000.

This is why I find Shamil's Access.PowerTools attractive: it is not
dependent on Access version, and the WinForm Listview control is more
capable than the native ListBox.

-Ken


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Feb 18 19:11:46 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:11:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002181641u71826863x37c2138df31cad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841601002181641u71826863x37c2138df31cad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2160D369A8864163B2B28650297FF0C9@danwaters>

Thanks Ken,

Yes - this form does depend on the AddItem and RemoveItem methods.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Export As Text (EAT) Form - Need Beta Testers

 <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>

> Dan Waters:
> Can you describe what happens?
>
> > Ken Ismert:
> > It doesn't work with Access 2000 on my work computer.
>

It doesn't compile. The biggest problems are with the ListBoxes. 2003 has
the AddItem and RemoveItem methods, which 2000 lacks.

Further, I think the value list size limit is 1024 characters in 2000, not
anywhere near adequate for the purpose. You'd have to go to a table-based
approach in 2000.

This is why I find Shamil's Access.PowerTools attractive: it is not
dependent on Access version, and the WinForm Listview control is more
capable than the native ListBox.

-Ken
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Feb 18 20:10:08 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:10:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] EAT Beta2
Message-ID: <947B9F81C41F4D7CB44D609DE2E287F6@danwaters>

This will probably be faster:

http://www.promationsystems.com/databaseadvisors.htm


Dan






From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Feb 19 00:43:08 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:43:08 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
In-Reply-To: <64E2C38684074A25B0A0850A836E7283@jislaptopdev>
References: <7c7841601002181007m156a670dl7cdd8c018301fce0@mail.gmail.com>	<4b7da114.0508d00a.49be.0e61@mx.google.com>
	<64E2C38684074A25B0A0850A836E7283@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <016a01cab12e$ce28c1f0$6a7a45d0$@spb.ru>

Congrats, Max, William!

Max, if you wish we can convert your current EatBloat to an
Access.PowerTools plug-in - with all credits preserved and you having .NET
version to develop further and to publish new .NET EatBoat versions within
Access.PowerTools...

For us to not challenge each other :) 
I'd prefer cooperate not compete...
I like challenges but we have so many things to do that we'd better do
different things, and cooperate, than try to challenge each other on the
same field...
You can also make ActiveX .DLL from that plug-in, and use it without
Access.PowerTools etc.
I guess there soon will be no PCs without .NET Framework installed...

We can make conversion of EatBloat for Access.PowerTools v.0.0.4 - a plug-in
which will work exactly as your Remote EatBloat does - from current MS
Access instance will open another MS Access instance, and make it
"unbloated"...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 12:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

"It is an  Access  program and therefore if the source file has an access
problem then it is most unlikely that this program will overcome that." Max

...yes, but ...it makes it pretty easy to identify a problem file so you can

fix or remove it and run anew.
...can't say enough about how great a step up this is from what was already 
my favorite tool :)

...that said, Shamil and Dan's efforts are much broader in scope 
...especially Shamil's ...but
in my exclusively A2k3 world, this is the cat's meeeeooooooowwwwww!

...did I mention it was fast! ...'cause it is :)

...so is my client's "like new" application :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:19 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

> Ken,
>
> When I  wrote EatBloat and again for RemoteEatBloat I specifically stated 
> it
> was for A2k3 and it tests for this and  puts your current version on the
> title bar Eatbloat)
>
> I  don't know if Dan has made it less specific on the rewrite, but it may
> well be that he didn't and you may be having compatibility problems.
>
> Would you like me to send you on RemoteEatBloat to test? It is not yet
> finished and I have to handle Relationships and linking.
>
> So far it (RemoteEatBloat) handles For Export:-
>
> Tables (Local only - specifically does NOT do linked tables otherwise
> Imports to new mdb would be incorrect).
> Queries
> Forms
> Reports
> Macros
> Modules
> References
> Relationships (wip)
> Links (wip)
> It does not handle Pages (DAP) and I have no intention of bothering with
> that.
>
> It is a standalone unlike the Eatboat which required to sit inside the
> source mdb.
> It prompts for a source mdb
> Exports selected objects as listed above (tables can be csv, xls, xml or 
> all
> of them)
>
> For imports:
> It prompts for a new mdb.
> Imports exported objects into the new mdb.
> Compacts and Repairs
> Deletes the working  file.
> Again, the Relationships (wip) and Links (wip) are work in progress.
>
> The  source mdb  is not changed in any way.
> It is an  Access  program and therefore if the source file has an access
> problem then it is most unlikely that this program will overcome that.
>
> Let me know if you want a copy
>
> Max
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: 18 February 2010 18:08
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
>
> Max,
>
> Where do i get RemoteEatBloat? Does it work for Access 2000? If so, I'm
> willing to look at it.
>
> But to reiterate, SaveAsText/LoadFromText worked properly for the problem
> form. The database was reduced in size similar to decompile/compact &
> repair.
>
> However, the bloating did not go away. Subsequent edits to the form caused
> rapid file size increases and a drastic slow down in save times.
>
> -Ken
>
>
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
>> Would you like to try RemoteEatBloat and stick it into its own newly
>> created
>> form and then see if that reduces it (auto compacts and repairs) so you
> can
>> see what size it is.
>>
>> If it is reduced, then you could manually import it back into your main
>>  mdb
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>> Sent: 16 February 2010 17:44
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
>>
>> >
>> > Max (MGA):
>> > I have a similar problem but it is because  of a corrupt  form.
>>  Therefore
>> > RemoteEATbloat bombs out.  If I remove the offending form, it will
>> compact
>> > ok.
>> > So, my question is, with your problem mdb is the problem the form or
>> > EatBloat? Trying to pin down what else I can do to improve it.
>> >
>>
>> Now I see what you're driving at.
>>
>> The form is not corrupt in the sense that it doesn't work, or can't be
>> loaded. It functions fine. It is huge.
>>
>> And, EatBloat (SaveAsText/LoadFromText) works fine on the problem form --
>> no
>> errors, and the form is OK. It just doesn't fix the bloat problem. Edit
> the
>> problem form 2 or 3 times after EatBloat, and the database quadruples in
>> size. This is even for trivial changes, like moving a control, or
> modifying
>> a single line in code.
>>
>> The only conclusion I can reach is that, on A2K, there are certain bloat
>> problems that SaveAsText/LoadFromText can't fix.
>>
>> -Ken
>> --
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>>
>>
>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Feb 19 02:20:27 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:20:27 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
In-Reply-To: <016a01cab12e$ce28c1f0$6a7a45d0$@spb.ru>
References: <7c7841601002181007m156a670dl7cdd8c018301fce0@mail.gmail.com>	<4b7da114.0508d00a.49be.0e61@mx.google.com>	<64E2C38684074A25B0A0850A836E7283@jislaptopdev>
	<016a01cab12e$ce28c1f0$6a7a45d0$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4b7e49e8.1701d00a.4052.ffffb33c@mx.google.com>

Certainly Shamil,

No problems. I will be shortly  putting the finishing touches to it and you
can have a copy to play with.

There are two main differences between EatBloat and RemoteEatBloat:-

1. EatBloat
a. Allows individual selection of objects to export and import.
b. Sits inside another mdb as a self-contained form
c. Did not handle Relationships, References or linked tables.
d. All of the above may have changed in Dan's re-write to EatBloat2.

2. RemoteEatBloat
a. Is a standalone mdb which operates on an external mdb (hence Remote)
b. It works on complete collections of objects, ie AllForms, AllReports etc.
but DOES allow the user to say which collections to work on (or all of
them).  This way if there is a  problem with the external mdb, the user can
isolate which object is causing the problem, remove it  from  the source mdb
and then recreate  it on the newly created one manually at the end of the
job.
c. It does not cater for individual objects and thus works across the whole
external mdb in one go.
d. It handle Relationships, References and linked tables.
e. It exports ever thing to an intermediate mdb and from there using Compact
& Repair creates the destination mdb.
f. References can be text or GUID and will show which ones are broken etc.
g. Tables can be export in all ways or selected ways.  Clearly, only one way
can be imported otherwise  it will be creating additional table1, table2,
table3 etc which is not wanted.  
h. Linked tables (to BE) are NOT exported or imported.  The program does
create the links again however so that the new mdb has everything in place.

3. Currently RemoteEatBloat does not handle ActiveX or OCX or anything other
than native Access objects (at this time but who knows).

I think there is a place for both programs to meet differing needs.  I may
well extend RemoteEatbloat to handle individual objects in the future but
that will depend on whether or not I  personally have a need for it.  After
all, all of this originated by my own need to reduce bloat and because I
only dev in A2K3 that is the platform it is designed for.

Because it uses AllForm type collections it may well run on other Access
platforms as long as they support the undocumented features of SaveAsText
etc (although undocumented they have been around for years and work well).  

I may also replace the Allform with your excellent code which loops through
the Msys objects once I am happy with it all working  as-is.  That will be
an upgrade for me.

Please feel free to take all or any of the code and make use of it.  I will
send you a  copy off-line later today if that is ok with you.

Cheers

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 19 February 2010 06:43
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

Congrats, Max, William!

Max, if you wish we can convert your current EatBloat to an
Access.PowerTools plug-in - with all credits preserved and you having .NET
version to develop further and to publish new .NET EatBoat versions within
Access.PowerTools...

For us to not challenge each other :) 
I'd prefer cooperate not compete...
I like challenges but we have so many things to do that we'd better do
different things, and cooperate, than try to challenge each other on the
same field...
You can also make ActiveX .DLL from that plug-in, and use it without
Access.PowerTools etc.
I guess there soon will be no PCs without .NET Framework installed...

We can make conversion of EatBloat for Access.PowerTools v.0.0.4 - a plug-in
which will work exactly as your Remote EatBloat does - from current MS
Access instance will open another MS Access instance, and make it
"unbloated"...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 12:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

"It is an  Access  program and therefore if the source file has an access
problem then it is most unlikely that this program will overcome that." Max

...yes, but ...it makes it pretty easy to identify a problem file so you can

fix or remove it and run anew.
...can't say enough about how great a step up this is from what was already 
my favorite tool :)

...that said, Shamil and Dan's efforts are much broader in scope 
...especially Shamil's ...but
in my exclusively A2k3 world, this is the cat's meeeeooooooowwwwww!

...did I mention it was fast! ...'cause it is :)

...so is my client's "like new" application :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:19 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

> Ken,
>
> When I  wrote EatBloat and again for RemoteEatBloat I specifically stated 
> it
> was for A2k3 and it tests for this and  puts your current version on the
> title bar Eatbloat)
>
> I  don't know if Dan has made it less specific on the rewrite, but it may
> well be that he didn't and you may be having compatibility problems.
>
> Would you like me to send you on RemoteEatBloat to test? It is not yet
> finished and I have to handle Relationships and linking.
>
> So far it (RemoteEatBloat) handles For Export:-
>
> Tables (Local only - specifically does NOT do linked tables otherwise
> Imports to new mdb would be incorrect).
> Queries
> Forms
> Reports
> Macros
> Modules
> References
> Relationships (wip)
> Links (wip)
> It does not handle Pages (DAP) and I have no intention of bothering with
> that.
>
> It is a standalone unlike the Eatboat which required to sit inside the
> source mdb.
> It prompts for a source mdb
> Exports selected objects as listed above (tables can be csv, xls, xml or 
> all
> of them)
>
> For imports:
> It prompts for a new mdb.
> Imports exported objects into the new mdb.
> Compacts and Repairs
> Deletes the working  file.
> Again, the Relationships (wip) and Links (wip) are work in progress.
>
> The  source mdb  is not changed in any way.
> It is an  Access  program and therefore if the source file has an access
> problem then it is most unlikely that this program will overcome that.
>
> Let me know if you want a copy
>
> Max
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: 18 February 2010 18:08
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
>
> Max,
>
> Where do i get RemoteEatBloat? Does it work for Access 2000? If so, I'm
> willing to look at it.
>
> But to reiterate, SaveAsText/LoadFromText worked properly for the problem
> form. The database was reduced in size similar to decompile/compact &
> repair.
>
> However, the bloating did not go away. Subsequent edits to the form caused
> rapid file size increases and a drastic slow down in save times.
>
> -Ken
>
>
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
>> Would you like to try RemoteEatBloat and stick it into its own newly
>> created
>> form and then see if that reduces it (auto compacts and repairs) so you
> can
>> see what size it is.
>>
>> If it is reduced, then you could manually import it back into your main
>>  mdb
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>> Sent: 16 February 2010 17:44
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
>>
>> >
>> > Max (MGA):
>> > I have a similar problem but it is because  of a corrupt  form.
>>  Therefore
>> > RemoteEATbloat bombs out.  If I remove the offending form, it will
>> compact
>> > ok.
>> > So, my question is, with your problem mdb is the problem the form or
>> > EatBloat? Trying to pin down what else I can do to improve it.
>> >
>>
>> Now I see what you're driving at.
>>
>> The form is not corrupt in the sense that it doesn't work, or can't be
>> loaded. It functions fine. It is huge.
>>
>> And, EatBloat (SaveAsText/LoadFromText) works fine on the problem form --
>> no
>> errors, and the form is OK. It just doesn't fix the bloat problem. Edit
> the
>> problem form 2 or 3 times after EatBloat, and the database quadruples in
>> size. This is even for trivial changes, like moving a control, or
> modifying
>> a single line in code.
>>
>> The only conclusion I can reach is that, on A2K, there are certain bloat
>> problems that SaveAsText/LoadFromText can't fix.
>>
>> -Ken
>> --
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>>
>>
>>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Feb 19 06:34:53 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:34:53 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
In-Reply-To: <4b7e49e8.1701d00a.4052.ffffb33c@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841601002181007m156a670dl7cdd8c018301fce0@mail.gmail.com>	<4b7da114.0508d00a.49be.0e61@mx.google.com>	<64E2C38684074A25B0A0850A836E7283@jislaptopdev>	<016a01cab12e$ce28c1f0$6a7a45d0$@spb.ru>
	<4b7e49e8.1701d00a.4052.ffffb33c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <017701cab15f$f0bc4440$d234ccc0$@spb.ru>

Thank you, Max,

Honestly I thought you'd be interested to make the conversion by yourself :)
I'd still prefer you'll do that when Access.PowerTools will be ready to get
your plug-in hosted (v.0.0.3)
Why not?

<<<
I may also replace the Allform with your excellent code 
which loops through the Msys objects once I am happy 
with it all working  as-is.  That will be
an upgrade for me.
>>>
Max, that was bad idea of mine - looping through MSysObjects table doesn't
work from COM Add-In - no permissions runtime error message tells - I have
changed that code to loop using .Containers and .Documents collections - it
works in v.0.0.1 (that feature exists since Access 2.0 (1.1?)). BTW,
Access.PowerTools v.0.0.1 was tested with Access 2010RC and worked OK.

<<<
Please feel free to take all or any of the code and make use of it. 
I will send you a  copy off-line later today if that is ok with you.
>>>
Can we put that on Access.PowerTools site ready for download for everybody -
and maybe somebody else will come to convert it as Access.PowerTools'
EatBloat plug-in if not you or myself? :)

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

Certainly Shamil,

No problems. I will be shortly  putting the finishing touches to it and you
can have a copy to play with.

There are two main differences between EatBloat and RemoteEatBloat:-

1. EatBloat
a. Allows individual selection of objects to export and import.
b. Sits inside another mdb as a self-contained form
c. Did not handle Relationships, References or linked tables.
d. All of the above may have changed in Dan's re-write to EatBloat2.

2. RemoteEatBloat
a. Is a standalone mdb which operates on an external mdb (hence Remote)
b. It works on complete collections of objects, ie AllForms, AllReports etc.
but DOES allow the user to say which collections to work on (or all of
them).  This way if there is a  problem with the external mdb, the user can
isolate which object is causing the problem, remove it  from  the source mdb
and then recreate  it on the newly created one manually at the end of the
job.
c. It does not cater for individual objects and thus works across the whole
external mdb in one go.
d. It handle Relationships, References and linked tables.
e. It exports ever thing to an intermediate mdb and from there using Compact
& Repair creates the destination mdb.
f. References can be text or GUID and will show which ones are broken etc.
g. Tables can be export in all ways or selected ways.  Clearly, only one way
can be imported otherwise  it will be creating additional table1, table2,
table3 etc which is not wanted.  
h. Linked tables (to BE) are NOT exported or imported.  The program does
create the links again however so that the new mdb has everything in place.

3. Currently RemoteEatBloat does not handle ActiveX or OCX or anything other
than native Access objects (at this time but who knows).

I think there is a place for both programs to meet differing needs.  I may
well extend RemoteEatbloat to handle individual objects in the future but
that will depend on whether or not I  personally have a need for it.  After
all, all of this originated by my own need to reduce bloat and because I
only dev in A2K3 that is the platform it is designed for.

Because it uses AllForm type collections it may well run on other Access
platforms as long as they support the undocumented features of SaveAsText
etc (although undocumented they have been around for years and work well).  

I may also replace the Allform with your excellent code which loops through
the Msys objects once I am happy with it all working  as-is.  That will be
an upgrade for me.

Please feel free to take all or any of the code and make use of it.  I will
send you a  copy off-line later today if that is ok with you.

Cheers

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 19 February 2010 06:43
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

Congrats, Max, William!

Max, if you wish we can convert your current EatBloat to an
Access.PowerTools plug-in - with all credits preserved and you having .NET
version to develop further and to publish new .NET EatBoat versions within
Access.PowerTools...

For us to not challenge each other :) 
I'd prefer cooperate not compete...
I like challenges but we have so many things to do that we'd better do
different things, and cooperate, than try to challenge each other on the
same field...
You can also make ActiveX .DLL from that plug-in, and use it without
Access.PowerTools etc.
I guess there soon will be no PCs without .NET Framework installed...

We can make conversion of EatBloat for Access.PowerTools v.0.0.4 - a plug-in
which will work exactly as your Remote EatBloat does - from current MS
Access instance will open another MS Access instance, and make it
"unbloated"...

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 12:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

"It is an  Access  program and therefore if the source file has an access
problem then it is most unlikely that this program will overcome that." Max

...yes, but ...it makes it pretty easy to identify a problem file so you can

fix or remove it and run anew.
...can't say enough about how great a step up this is from what was already 
my favorite tool :)

...that said, Shamil and Dan's efforts are much broader in scope 
...especially Shamil's ...but
in my exclusively A2k3 world, this is the cat's meeeeooooooowwwwww!

...did I mention it was fast! ...'cause it is :)

...so is my client's "like new" application :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:19 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

> Ken,
>
> When I  wrote EatBloat and again for RemoteEatBloat I specifically stated 
> it
> was for A2k3 and it tests for this and  puts your current version on the
> title bar Eatbloat)
>
> I  don't know if Dan has made it less specific on the rewrite, but it may
> well be that he didn't and you may be having compatibility problems.
>
> Would you like me to send you on RemoteEatBloat to test? It is not yet
> finished and I have to handle Relationships and linking.
>
> So far it (RemoteEatBloat) handles For Export:-
>
> Tables (Local only - specifically does NOT do linked tables otherwise
> Imports to new mdb would be incorrect).
> Queries
> Forms
> Reports
> Macros
> Modules
> References
> Relationships (wip)
> Links (wip)
> It does not handle Pages (DAP) and I have no intention of bothering with
> that.
>
> It is a standalone unlike the Eatboat which required to sit inside the
> source mdb.
> It prompts for a source mdb
> Exports selected objects as listed above (tables can be csv, xls, xml or 
> all
> of them)
>
> For imports:
> It prompts for a new mdb.
> Imports exported objects into the new mdb.
> Compacts and Repairs
> Deletes the working  file.
> Again, the Relationships (wip) and Links (wip) are work in progress.
>
> The  source mdb  is not changed in any way.
> It is an  Access  program and therefore if the source file has an access
> problem then it is most unlikely that this program will overcome that.
>
> Let me know if you want a copy
>
> Max
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: 18 February 2010 18:08
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
>
> Max,
>
> Where do i get RemoteEatBloat? Does it work for Access 2000? If so, I'm
> willing to look at it.
>
> But to reiterate, SaveAsText/LoadFromText worked properly for the problem
> form. The database was reduced in size similar to decompile/compact &
> repair.
>
> However, the bloating did not go away. Subsequent edits to the form caused
> rapid file size increases and a drastic slow down in save times.
>
> -Ken
>
>
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
>> Would you like to try RemoteEatBloat and stick it into its own newly
>> created
>> form and then see if that reduces it (auto compacts and repairs) so you
> can
>> see what size it is.
>>
>> If it is reduced, then you could manually import it back into your main
>>  mdb
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>> Sent: 16 February 2010 17:44
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23
>>
>> >
>> > Max (MGA):
>> > I have a similar problem but it is because  of a corrupt  form.
>>  Therefore
>> > RemoteEATbloat bombs out.  If I remove the offending form, it will
>> compact
>> > ok.
>> > So, my question is, with your problem mdb is the problem the form or
>> > EatBloat? Trying to pin down what else I can do to improve it.
>> >
>>
>> Now I see what you're driving at.
>>
>> The form is not corrupt in the sense that it doesn't work, or can't be
>> loaded. It functions fine. It is huge.
>>
>> And, EatBloat (SaveAsText/LoadFromText) works fine on the problem form --
>> no
>> errors, and the form is OK. It just doesn't fix the bloat problem. Edit
> the
>> problem form 2 or 3 times after EatBloat, and the database quadruples in
>> size. This is even for trivial changes, like moving a control, or
> modifying
>> a single line in code.
>>
>> The only conclusion I can reach is that, on A2K, there are certain bloat
>> problems that SaveAsText/LoadFromText can't fix.
>>
>> -Ken
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Feb 19 07:20:52 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:20:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
In-Reply-To: <4b7e49e8.1701d00a.4052.ffffb33c@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841601002181007m156a670dl7cdd8c018301fce0@mail.gmail.com>	<4b7da114.0508d00a.49be.0e61@mx.google.com>	<64E2C38684074A25B0A0850A836E7283@jislaptopdev><016a01cab12e$ce28c1f0$6a7a45d0$@spb.ru>
	<4b7e49e8.1701d00a.4052.ffffb33c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <7EA28CCF015C4615979B1B2E2F05331E@danwaters>

Hi Max,

<1. EatBloat
<a. Allows individual selection of objects to export and import.
<b. Sits inside another mdb as a self-contained form 
<c. Did not handle <Relationships, References or linked tables.
<d. All of the above may have changed in Dan's re-write to EatBloat2.>

For my rewriting of your form, a and b are still true.  It also will export
all objects of one type, or all objects.

For c, it does not handle relationships (I think code to determine, store,
and replace relationships may be interesting).  It does allow linked tables,
but only as an option that is turned off by default.

My primary purpose in rewriting this was to change the export structure so
that all of the objects that were exported at one time were exported to the
same folder, rather than a different folder for each type of object.  This
took a lot of file/folder manipulation, but it's worth it.  Now when I'm
importing I can just 'select all' in the navigation window, push the Proceed
button, and it all gets imported at once.  Tables are imported first, then
queries, then the remaining objects.

In addition, you said once that you like to use this as a backup mechanism.
To do this the export folder is now date and time stamped.  You can reset
the date and time stamp to current time by pushing one button, or you can
turn on auto update of date and time so that each export is automatically
sent to a different export folder.

I also wanted to use the list boxes for a visual selection of objects to
export.

Please take a look and let me know what your thoughts are!

www.promationsystems.com/databaseadvisors.htm

Thanks!
Dan



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Feb 19 08:21:09 2010
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:21:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Questions
Message-ID: <29f585dd1002190621s37f03f72xd5186712356bba41@mail.gmail.com>

1. When you create an AutoForm, all the fields are somehow treated as
belonging to a group. That is, if I attempt to resize one field, then all
fields in the grouping are affected. How can I remove this grouping and
treat the fields individually?

2. When I create a split form, the default is always that the "single-form"
pane is atop the "datasheet" pane. I always want the datasheet part on the
left. It's easy enough to change, but I'm wondering whether I can make the
change to the default layout itself so that I don't have to make the change
to each split form that I create.

3. In the past, I have effectively used the Database Tools | Convert Macro
to Visual Basic command, but for some reason I am now getting an error every
time I try it. The message reads: "Application-defined or object-defined
error." Any idea why?

4. Is there a way to download the service packs (for Office 2007 and SQL
2008 and Windows7 and Windows Server 2008). and install them on a machine
not connected to the internet?

TIA,
Arthur


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Feb 19 08:23:10 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:23:10 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
In-Reply-To: <7EA28CCF015C4615979B1B2E2F05331E@danwaters>
References: <7c7841601002181007m156a670dl7cdd8c018301fce0@mail.gmail.com>	<4b7da114.0508d00a.49be.0e61@mx.google.com>	<64E2C38684074A25B0A0850A836E7283@jislaptopdev><016a01cab12e$ce28c1f0$6a7a45d0$@spb.ru>	<4b7e49e8.1701d00a.4052.ffffb33c@mx.google.com>
	<7EA28CCF015C4615979B1B2E2F05331E@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4b7e9f0b.0707d00a.3972.7c52@mx.google.com>

Hi Dan,

Relationships are handled in my RemoteEatBloat (REB) so feel free to pick
out that code if you want it.  Also References and re-linking of linked
tables.

The point about exporting to different folders based on object type was to
allow the user to more easily find single items for importing. But ATEOTD it
doesn't matter much  either way.

I wouldn't allow the linked tables to be exported as data (I did leave that
code there for others but thinking about it,  these should be handled by EB
in the BE database and not the FE database.).  Your chose though.

I had a quick look at your version and it looked nice. I am still trying to
get REB "out of the door" so I didn't get too much time to play with it.

I will be passing REB over to AccessD in due course so people can take
whichever suits them the best. Also, Shamil's version will be available so
people will be spoilt for choose.

Better  too much then none at all, eh?

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 19 February 2010 13:21
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

Hi Max,

<1. EatBloat
<a. Allows individual selection of objects to export and import.
<b. Sits inside another mdb as a self-contained form 
<c. Did not handle <Relationships, References or linked tables.
<d. All of the above may have changed in Dan's re-write to EatBloat2.>

For my rewriting of your form, a and b are still true.  It also will export
all objects of one type, or all objects.

For c, it does not handle relationships (I think code to determine, store,
and replace relationships may be interesting).  It does allow linked tables,
but only as an option that is turned off by default.

My primary purpose in rewriting this was to change the export structure so
that all of the objects that were exported at one time were exported to the
same folder, rather than a different folder for each type of object.  This
took a lot of file/folder manipulation, but it's worth it.  Now when I'm
importing I can just 'select all' in the navigation window, push the Proceed
button, and it all gets imported at once.  Tables are imported first, then
queries, then the remaining objects.

In addition, you said once that you like to use this as a backup mechanism.
To do this the export folder is now date and time stamped.  You can reset
the date and time stamp to current time by pushing one button, or you can
turn on auto update of date and time so that each export is automatically
sent to a different export folder.

I also wanted to use the list boxes for a visual selection of objects to
export.

Please take a look and let me know what your thoughts are!

www.promationsystems.com/databaseadvisors.htm

Thanks!
Dan

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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Feb 19 09:16:25 2010
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:16:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Questions
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd1002190621s37f03f72xd5186712356bba41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd1002190621s37f03f72xd5186712356bba41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E834657BD@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Not yet a victim of Office 2007. Regarding question 4, go to Windows Update (http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us) and then click on the 'Use administrator options'. Once on the new page you can search for "Service Packs"

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Questions

1. When you create an AutoForm, all the fields are somehow treated as belonging to a group. That is, if I attempt to resize one field, then all fields in the grouping are affected. How can I remove this grouping and treat the fields individually?

2. When I create a split form, the default is always that the "single-form"
pane is atop the "datasheet" pane. I always want the datasheet part on the left. It's easy enough to change, but I'm wondering whether I can make the change to the default layout itself so that I don't have to make the change to each split form that I create.

3. In the past, I have effectively used the Database Tools | Convert Macro to Visual Basic command, but for some reason I am now getting an error every time I try it. The message reads: "Application-defined or object-defined error." Any idea why?

4. Is there a way to download the service packs (for Office 2007 and SQL
2008 and Windows7 and Windows Server 2008). and install them on a machine not connected to the internet?

TIA,
Arthur
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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Fri Feb 19 09:33:43 2010
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:33:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 Questions
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd1002190621s37f03f72xd5186712356bba41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd1002190621s37f03f72xd5186712356bba41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FA6B9E21B254077B6764B4CACB59A85@abpc>

1. Per default Access 2007 is using a "stacked" layout for controls. To remove the stacked layout select the controls and then on the Arrange tab click Remove in the Control Layout group.
3. Don't know why this is not working for you - did you try a simple macro, e.g. an OpenForm macro, then using Convert Macros to Visual Basic from the Database Tools tab? Works for me.

Asger
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 19. februar 2010 15:21
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Access 2007 Questions

1. When you create an AutoForm, all the fields are somehow treated as
belonging to a group. That is, if I attempt to resize one field, then all
fields in the grouping are affected. How can I remove this grouping and
treat the fields individually?

2. When I create a split form, the default is always that the "single-form"
pane is atop the "datasheet" pane. I always want the datasheet part on the
left. It's easy enough to change, but I'm wondering whether I can make the
change to the default layout itself so that I don't have to make the change
to each split form that I create.

3. In the past, I have effectively used the Database Tools | Convert Macro
to Visual Basic command, but for some reason I am now getting an error every
time I try it. The message reads: "Application-defined or object-defined
error." Any idea why?

4. Is there a way to download the service packs (for Office 2007 and SQL
2008 and Windows7 and Windows Server 2008). and install them on a machine
not connected to the internet?

TIA,
Arthur
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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Fri Feb 19 11:02:08 2010
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:02:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] PDFs
Message-ID: <4B7EC410.5050908@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey All
May be of some help.
No need for the gurus to read this cause you are probably doing this 
already.
In my last 4 or 5 applications I have been allowing the client to 
convert an Access report to a PDF file. The users love it. Today I had 
an interesting conversation with a client, I am currently updating their 
application ( been doing this for the last 15 years) and mentioned the 
ability to convert reports, and they said "Let's do it to all the 
reports" (they can already to it for some). That way we can Email the 
accountants, management and  provide statements to our clients, all 
paperless".

For those of you maybe thinking of going this route I highly recommend 
Leban's Report to PDF converter. It is simple and clean . I am sure 
William would support me on this one.

Anyway I am still struggling on which route to go for an internal EMail 
system.

Hope this helps someone.


From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Feb 19 13:29:27 2010
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:29:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] PDFs
In-Reply-To: <4B7EC410.5050908@nanaimo.ark.com>
References: <4B7EC410.5050908@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D795D8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Couldn't agree more about Lebans solution.  It's fast and it just works.
Of course as you move to Access 2007 it won't be necessary since pdf is
included as an export option, just like a snapshot.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] PDFs

Hey All
May be of some help.
No need for the gurus to read this cause you are probably doing this
already.
In my last 4 or 5 applications I have been allowing the client to
convert an Access report to a PDF file. The users love it. Today I had
an interesting conversation with a client, I am currently updating their
application ( been doing this for the last 15 years) and mentioned the
ability to convert reports, and they said "Let's do it to all the
reports" (they can already to it for some). That way we can Email the
accountants, management and  provide statements to our clients, all
paperless".

For those of you maybe thinking of going this route I highly recommend
Leban's Report to PDF converter. It is simple and clean . I am sure
William would support me on this one.

Anyway I am still struggling on which route to go for an internal EMail
system.

Hope this helps someone.
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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Fri Feb 19 14:00:05 2010
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:00:05 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] PDFs
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D795D8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <4B7EC410.5050908@nanaimo.ark.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB7217006D795D8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <4B7EEDC5.6040605@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey Rusty
Thanks
Didn't know that. I am using Access2003. Then I would say for the 
newbies offer this as an option to your clients. 


Rusty Hammond wrote:

>Couldn't agree more about Lebans solution.  It's fast and it just works.
>Of course as you move to Access 2007 it won't be necessary since pdf is
>included as an export option, just like a snapshot.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
>Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:02 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] PDFs
>
>Hey All
>May be of some help.
>No need for the gurus to read this cause you are probably doing this
>already.
>In my last 4 or 5 applications I have been allowing the client to
>convert an Access report to a PDF file. The users love it. Today I had
>an interesting conversation with a client, I am currently updating their
>application ( been doing this for the last 15 years) and mentioned the
>ability to convert reports, and they said "Let's do it to all the
>reports" (they can already to it for some). That way we can Email the
>accountants, management and  provide statements to our clients, all
>paperless".
>
>For those of you maybe thinking of going this route I highly recommend
>Leban's Report to PDF converter. It is simple and clean . I am sure
>William would support me on this one.
>
>Anyway I am still struggling on which route to go for an internal EMail
>system.
>
>Hope this helps someone.
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Feb 19 14:37:15 2010
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:37:15 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] PDFs
In-Reply-To: <4B7EC410.5050908@nanaimo.ark.com>
References: <4B7EC410.5050908@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <20100219203644.DRZF14639.mta03.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Tony,

Here is a simple solution for emailing that I have used for a couple 
of clients.  All it required is a reference to Microsoft CDO for 
Exchange.  I found my copy in C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft 
Shared\CDO\CDOEX.dll.

Public Function basEmailSalesSupport(strEmailTo As String, strSubject 
As String, strTextBody As String, strAttachment As String)

     On Error GoTo Err_basEmailSalesSupport

     Dim msg As Message
     Dim strSMTPServer As String, intSMTPConnectionTimeout As 
Integer, intSMTPServerPort As Integer
     Dim strOrganisation As String, strFrom As String

     DoCmd.Hourglass True
     strSMTPServer = DLookup("EmailSMTPServer", "dbo.tblVariable")
     intSMTPConnectionTimeout = DLookup("EmailSMTPConnectionTimeout", 
"dbo.tblVariable")
     intSMTPServerPort = DLookup("EmailSMTPServerPort", "dbo.tblVariable")
     strOrganisation = DLookup("EmailOrganisation", "dbo.tblVariable")
     strFrom = DLookup("EmailFrom", "dbo.tblVariable") 'Email address 
for from person

     Set msg = CreateObject("CDO.Message")
     With msg
         With .Configuration.Fields
             .Item(cdoSMTPAuthenticate) = cdoAnonymous
             .Item(cdoSendUsingMethod) = cdoSendUsingPort
             .Item(cdoSMTPServer) = strSMTPServer
             .Item(cdoSMTPConnectionTimeout) = intSMTPConnectionTimeout
             .Item(cdoSMTPServerPort) = intSMTPServerPort
             .Update
         End With
         .Organization = strOrganisation
         .To = strEmailTo
         .Subject = strSubject
         .TextBody = strTextBody
         .From = strFrom
         If strAttachment <> "" Then
             .AddAttachment (strAttachment)
         End If
         .Send
     End With
     Set msg = Nothing

Exit_basEmailSalesSupport:
     DoCmd.Hourglass False
     Exit Function

Err_basEmailSalesSupport:
      Msgbox "Error Message"
     Resume Exit_basEmailSalesSupport

End Function


Regards

David


At 20/02/2010, Tony Septav wrote:
>Hey All
>May be of some help.
>No need for the gurus to read this cause you are probably doing this
>already.
>In my last 4 or 5 applications I have been allowing the client to
>convert an Access report to a PDF file. The users love it. Today I had
>an interesting conversation with a client, I am currently updating their
>application ( been doing this for the last 15 years) and mentioned the
>ability to convert reports, and they said "Let's do it to all the
>reports" (they can already to it for some). That way we can Email the
>accountants, management and  provide statements to our clients, all
>paperless".
>
>For those of you maybe thinking of going this route I highly recommend
>Leban's Report to PDF converter. It is simple and clean . I am sure
>William would support me on this one.
>
>Anyway I am still struggling on which route to go for an internal EMail
>system.
>
>Hope this helps someone.
>--



From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Sat Feb 20 16:14:20 2010
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:14:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?
Message-ID: <4b805dd4.8702be0a.2f71.49e0@mx.google.com>

Is anyone else with a MAPS subscription having trouble downloading the
Windows 7 64 bit software?  I have my key, but I cannot get a clean copy of
the software to download.

 

Jeff Barrows

MCP, MCAD, MCSD

 

Outbak Technologies, LLC

Racine, WI

jeff.developer at gmail.com <mailto:jeff at outbaktech.com> 

 



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sat Feb 20 21:26:25 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:26:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?
In-Reply-To: <4b805dd4.8702be0a.2f71.49e0@mx.google.com>
References: <4b805dd4.8702be0a.2f71.49e0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <63EB011ADED54916B6AC1D19AE09E8CD@murphy3234aaf1>

Just did it Friday night. Worked OK, but took forever to get the file. 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 2:14 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?

Is anyone else with a MAPS subscription having trouble downloading the
Windows 7 64 bit software?  I have my key, but I cannot get a clean copy of
the software to download.

 

Jeff Barrows

MCP, MCAD, MCSD

 

Outbak Technologies, LLC

Racine, WI

jeff.developer at gmail.com <mailto:jeff at outbaktech.com> 

 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 05:21:03 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:21:03 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?
In-Reply-To: <63EB011ADED54916B6AC1D19AE09E8CD@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <4b805dd4.8702be0a.2f71.49e0@mx.google.com>
	<63EB011ADED54916B6AC1D19AE09E8CD@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <4b81172b.0506d00a.7092.fffff321@mx.google.com>

Just curious, what is a MAPS subscription?

Max


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Sent: 21 February 2010 03:26
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?

Just did it Friday night. Worked OK, but took forever to get the file. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 2:14 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?

Is anyone else with a MAPS subscription having trouble downloading the
Windows 7 64 bit software?  I have my key, but I cannot get a clean copy of
the software to download.

 

Jeff Barrows

MCP, MCAD, MCSD

 

Outbak Technologies, LLC

Racine, WI

jeff.developer at gmail.com <mailto:jeff at outbaktech.com> 

 

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From Johncliviger at aol.com  Sun Feb 21 05:52:08 2010
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 06:52:08 EST
Subject: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?
Message-ID: <13dc.516a9ca2.38b27868@aol.com>

Good Morning Max trust your well and in full working order. I see your  
local team managed to snatch a defeat from the jaws of a draw. Mr Clough will 
be  pleased.
 
Yeah..What are MAPS?
 
It's Sunday morning with more snow falling so what else is there to  do?
 
john cliviger


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 06:35:48 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:35:48 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?
In-Reply-To: <13dc.516a9ca2.38b27868@aol.com>
References: <13dc.516a9ca2.38b27868@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4b8128ae.0a04d00a.341f.5eba@mx.google.com>

Haha. Cheeky monkey.  That was a brilliant result - 5 goals to match 5
pints!!

Yes. Snowing here too, only about 1 inch settled though.

As for MAPS, I don't think  it means maps that you look at to find you way
from your home to the nearest pub in the highlands of yorks moors. More like
an application with a mnemonic.  I mean,  why would anybody subscribe to
maps?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Johncliviger at aol.com
Sent: 21 February 2010 11:52
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?

Good Morning Max trust your well and in full working order. I see your  
local team managed to snatch a defeat from the jaws of a draw. Mr Clough
will 
be  pleased.
 
Yeah..What are MAPS?
 
It's Sunday morning with more snow falling so what else is there to  do?
 
john cliviger
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 07:16:35 2010
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:16:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?
In-Reply-To: <4b8128ae.0a04d00a.341f.5eba@mx.google.com>
References: <13dc.516a9ca2.38b27868@aol.com>
	<4b8128ae.0a04d00a.341f.5eba@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4951002210516o7ca32ab3q8eadbd98abc5f51f@mail.gmail.com>

It is a Microsoft Action Pack Subscription.

You get 10 licenses of windows, 10 licenses of office, one each on the
server stuff.Some other things too.

You need to be a Microsoft Partner to participate.

https://partner.microsoft.com/UK/40016455

GK


On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Max (MGA) <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Haha. Cheeky monkey. ?That was a brilliant result - 5 goals to match 5
> pints!!
>
> Yes. Snowing here too, only about 1 inch settled though.
>
> As for MAPS, I don't think ?it means maps that you look at to find you way
> from your home to the nearest pub in the highlands of yorks moors. More like
> an application with a mnemonic. ?I mean, ?why would anybody subscribe to
> maps?
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Johncliviger at aol.com
> Sent: 21 February 2010 11:52
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?
>
> Good Morning Max trust your well and in full working order. I see your
> local team managed to snatch a defeat from the jaws of a draw. Mr Clough
> will
> be ?pleased.
>
> Yeah..What are MAPS?
>
> It's Sunday morning with more snow falling so what else is there to ?do?
>
> john cliviger
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 07:42:51 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:42:51 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4951002210516o7ca32ab3q8eadbd98abc5f51f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13dc.516a9ca2.38b27868@aol.com>	<4b8128ae.0a04d00a.341f.5eba@mx.google.com>
	<aea6c4951002210516o7ca32ab3q8eadbd98abc5f51f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b813865.1701d00a.178d.34c2@mx.google.com>

Thanks Gary, 

See John. I am not so silly after all....

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: 21 February 2010 13:17
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?

It is a Microsoft Action Pack Subscription.

You get 10 licenses of windows, 10 licenses of office, one each on the
server stuff.Some other things too.

You need to be a Microsoft Partner to participate.

https://partner.microsoft.com/UK/40016455

GK


On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Max (MGA) <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Haha. Cheeky monkey. ?That was a brilliant result - 5 goals to match 5
> pints!!
>
> Yes. Snowing here too, only about 1 inch settled though.
>
> As for MAPS, I don't think ?it means maps that you look at to find you way
> from your home to the nearest pub in the highlands of yorks moors. More
like
> an application with a mnemonic. ?I mean, ?why would anybody subscribe to
> maps?
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Johncliviger at aol.com
> Sent: 21 February 2010 11:52
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?
>
> Good Morning Max trust your well and in full working order. I see your
> local team managed to snatch a defeat from the jaws of a draw. Mr Clough
> will
> be ?pleased.
>
> Yeah..What are MAPS?
>
> It's Sunday morning with more snow falling so what else is there to ?do?
>
> john cliviger
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From Johncliviger at aol.com  Sun Feb 21 10:51:01 2010
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:51:01 EST
Subject: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?
Message-ID: <629a.5e82cb3a.38b2be75@aol.com>

Hey Max
 
I never mentioned the word "silly"
 
Good to hear from you.
 
john cliviger


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 10:55:24 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:55:24 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?
In-Reply-To: <629a.5e82cb3a.38b2be75@aol.com>
References: <629a.5e82cb3a.38b2be75@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4b816588.1818d00a.37ec.25ac@mx.google.com>

Oh, silly me.  Must be me then...ha!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Johncliviger at aol.com
Sent: 21 February 2010 16:51
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MAPS download trouble?

Hey Max
 
I never mentioned the word "silly"
 
Good to hear from you.
 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 12:03:50 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:03:50 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Programmers interview
In-Reply-To: <20100219203644.DRZF14639.mta03.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <4B7EC410.5050908@nanaimo.ark.com>
	<20100219203644.DRZF14639.mta03.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <4b817595.9615f10a.1543.7f7d@mx.google.com>

Bit late, but...

You are interviewing a programmer for an important job and you ask him "Can
you program really well in MS Access" and he says "Sure I can" and smiles at
you.

Is he lying or telling the truth.

Judge for yourself. Can you tell the liar?

I got 15/20. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles/

Max




From dbdoug at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 12:27:18 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:27:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Programmers interview
In-Reply-To: <4b817595.9615f10a.1543.7f7d@mx.google.com>
References: <4B7EC410.5050908@nanaimo.ark.com>
	<20100219203644.DRZF14639.mta03.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<4b817595.9615f10a.1543.7f7d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c1002211027m6efa65bcm3ab817156bb78987@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting.  I got 17 after saying my confidence in guessing was very low.
But I did realize I was using most of the clues they discuss at the end of
the test.

If I was interviewing a programmer for a job and he said he could program
really well in MS Access, I would assume he was lying anyway.  Especially if
he said his age was less than 50.  Unless he was a contributor to this list
:)

Doug

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bit late, but...
>
> You are interviewing a programmer for an important job and you ask him "Can
> you program really well in MS Access" and he says "Sure I can" and smiles
> at
> you.
>
> Is he lying or telling the truth.
>
> Judge for yourself. Can you tell the liar?
>
> I got 15/20.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles/
>
> Max
>
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 14:17:51 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:17:51 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Programmers interview
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c1002211027m6efa65bcm3ab817156bb78987@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B7EC410.5050908@nanaimo.ark.com>	<20100219203644.DRZF14639.mta03.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>	<4b817595.9615f10a.1543.7f7d@mx.google.com>
	<4dd71a0c1002211027m6efa65bcm3ab817156bb78987@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b8194fc.0508d00a.4018.ffffeb83@mx.google.com>

This one is SOOO hard.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: 21 February 2010 18:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Programmers interview

Interesting.  I got 17 after saying my confidence in guessing was very low.
But I did realize I was using most of the clues they discuss at the end of
the test.

If I was interviewing a programmer for a job and he said he could program
really well in MS Access, I would assume he was lying anyway.  Especially if
he said his age was less than 50.  Unless he was a contributor to this list
:)

Doug

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bit late, but...
>
> You are interviewing a programmer for an important job and you ask him
"Can
> you program really well in MS Access" and he says "Sure I can" and smiles
> at
> you.
>
> Is he lying or telling the truth.
>
> Judge for yourself. Can you tell the liar?
>
> I got 15/20.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles/
>
> Max
>
>
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From adtp at airtelmail.in  Sun Feb 21 23:24:23 2010
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D. Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:54:23 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
References: <sb7d628b.089@cactus.dk>
	<4b7d9714.1c07d00a.7c0c.38b3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <41f401cab37f$7c72b070$3701a8c0@adtpc>

Max,

    Your existing code seems to be OK. You might like to incorporate the ForeignName property as well. Sample function Fn_GetRelations(), based upon your code, is placed below.

    For storing the particulars in a table, sample procedure P_FillRelationsTable() as given below, could be used. This will populate table T_Relations having following fields:
    (a) RelName, (b) RelAttributes
    (c) TableName, (d) ForeignTableName
    (e) FieldName, (f) ForeignFieldName

    In case of composite key involving multiple fields, all such fields get listed by the function as well as procedure mentioned above.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

' Code in VBA module
'=================================
Function Fn_GetRelations() As String
    Dim fd As DAO.Field
    Dim rel As DAO.Relation
    Dim Txt As String
    
    Txt = ""
    For Each rel In CurrentDb.Relations
       With rel
            Txt = Txt & "RelName: " & .Name & vbCrLf
            Txt = Txt & "RelAttributes: " & _
                        .Attributes & vbCrLf
            Txt = Txt & "Table: " & .Table & vbCrLf
            Txt = Txt & "ForeignTable: " & _
                        .ForeignTable & vbCrLf
            Txt = Txt & "Fields:" & vbCrLf
            For Each fd In .Fields
                Txt = Txt & "Field: " & fd.Name & _
                        ",  ForeignField: " & _
                        fd.ForeignName & vbCrLf
            Next
       End With
       Txt = Txt & vbCrLf
    Next
    
    Fn_GetRelations = Txt
    
    Set rel = Nothing
    Set fd = Nothing
End Function
'-----------------------------------------------

Sub P_FillRelationsTable()
    ' Populates table T_Relations with particulars
    ' of all relations in the db
    ' This table has fields: RelName, RelAttributes,
    ' TableName, ForeignTableName,
    ' FieldName, ForeignFieldName
    
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    Dim fd As DAO.Field
    Dim rel As DAO.Relation
    
    Set db = CurrentDb
    
    ' Clear table T_Relations
    db.Execute "DELETE FROM T_Relations;", _
                        dbFailOnError
    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("T_Relations")
    For Each rel In db.Relations
        ' Populate table T_Relations with
        ' uptodate particulars
        For Each fd In rel.Fields
            With rst
                .AddNew
                
                .Fields("RelName") = rel.Name
                .Fields("RelAttributes") = rel.Attributes
                .Fields("TableName") = rel.Table
                .Fields("ForeignTableName") = _
                                            rel.ForeignTable
                .Fields("FieldName") = fd.Name
                .Fields("ForeignFieldName") = _
                                            fd.ForeignName
                
                .Update
            End With
        Next
    Next
    
    ' Attributes value can be a combination of
    ' one or more of the following:
    ' dbRelationUnique = 1
    ' dbRelationDontEnforce = 2
    ' dbRelationInherited (Linked Table) = 4
    ' dbRelationUpdateCascade = 256
    ' dbRelationDeleteCascade = 4096
    ' dbRelationLeft = 16777216
    ' dbRelationRight = 33554432
    
    ' Examples:
    ' (a) Linked tables with UpdateCascade type
    '       relationship:
    '       Attributes =  4 +256 = 260
    
    ' (b) Local tables with dbRelationLeft +
    '       UpdateCascade type relationship:
    '       Attributes =  16777216 +256 = 16777472
    
    ' (c) Local tables with dbRelationRight +
    '       UpdateCascade type relationship:
    '       Attributes =  33554432 +256 = 33554688
    
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    Set rel = Nothing
    Set fd = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub
'========================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Max Wanadoo 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 01:07
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Relationships


  Hi Gustave,

  Did you have a  change  to look at the  relationship pic I sent?

  I cannot seem to get the collection to see these other joins.

  Any  help  or insights would be  appreciated.

  Thanks

  Max


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
  Sent: 18 February 2010 14:53
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Relationships

  Hi Max

  So you have compound indexes (or indices)? If not, only one field belongs to
  the index that is tied to the relation.

  /gustav


  >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 18-02-2010 15:29 >>>
  Can anybody help me with the following code.  It doesn't  seem to want to
  give me anything other that  the  first field join.

  Thanks

  Max

  For Each Rel In CurrentDb.Relations
     With Rel
     sql = sql & "Name: " & .Name & vbCrLf
     sql = sql & "Attributes: " & .Attributes & vbCrLf
     sql = sql & "Table: " & .Table & vbCrLf
     sql = sql & "ForeignTable: " & .ForeignTable & vbCrLf
     sql = sql & "Fields:" & vbCrLf
     For Each Fld In .Fields
       sql = sql & "Field: " & Fld.Name & vbCrLf
     Next Fld
     End With
     sql = sql & vbCrLf
  Next

From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 22 02:26:51 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:26:51 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
In-Reply-To: <41f401cab37f$7c72b070$3701a8c0@adtpc>
References: <sb7d628b.089@cactus.dk>	<4b7d9714.1c07d00a.7c0c.38b3@mx.google.com>
	<41f401cab37f$7c72b070$3701a8c0@adtpc>
Message-ID: <4b823fdf.0a04d00a.385c.6903@mx.google.com>

Thanks AD,
I had already sorted the code out.  The exporting code and importing code is
below.
The question I had was based on multiple relationships in the one table and
I cannot find any examples to see if my code works or not. EG, in the code
below it loops through the .Fields but I cannot find any examples where
there are more than one field being used to relate between the same two
tables.

Exporting:
        For Each Rel In dbs.Relations
            With Rel
                Me!ExportingRelationships = .Name
                sql = sql & .Name & "," & .Attributes & "," & .Table & "," &
.ForeignTable & ","
                For Each Fld In .Fields
                    sql = sql & Fld.Name & ","
                Next Fld
            End With
            sql = sql & vbCrLf
        Next Rel

Importing:
                pIntFile = FreeFile: sql = ""
                Open strSourceFolder & strSourceFileName For Input As
pIntFile
                Do While Not EOF(pIntFile)
                    Line Input #pIntFile, strIn
                    If Len(Trim(strIn)) > 0 Then
                        Me!ImportingReferences = strIn
                        appImport.References.AddFromFile strIn
                    End If
                Loop
                Close pIntFile


I don't see any need to import into a Table as you have done.  References
are held as a collection by Access itself and .Reference.AddFromFile works
great, unless I am missing something.  However I seldom,  if ever, use
References so I have nothing to check  my code against. The dummy ones I set
up  seemed to work just fine.

BTW, RemoteEatBloat is entirely finished with regard to code I just need to
add some more hand-holding to explain why things are causing problems.  

As I say, all the coding is done - just the help files remain.

Thanks for the input anyway.

Regards

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D. Tejpal
Sent: 22 February 2010 05:24
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Relationships

Max,

    Your existing code seems to be OK. You might like to incorporate the
ForeignName property as well. Sample function Fn_GetRelations(), based upon
your code, is placed below.

    For storing the particulars in a table, sample procedure
P_FillRelationsTable() as given below, could be used. This will populate
table T_Relations having following fields:
    (a) RelName, (b) RelAttributes
    (c) TableName, (d) ForeignTableName
    (e) FieldName, (f) ForeignFieldName

    In case of composite key involving multiple fields, all such fields get
listed by the function as well as procedure mentioned above.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

' Code in VBA module
'=================================
Function Fn_GetRelations() As String
    Dim fd As DAO.Field
    Dim rel As DAO.Relation
    Dim Txt As String
    
    Txt = ""
    For Each rel In CurrentDb.Relations
       With rel
            Txt = Txt & "RelName: " & .Name & vbCrLf
            Txt = Txt & "RelAttributes: " & _
                        .Attributes & vbCrLf
            Txt = Txt & "Table: " & .Table & vbCrLf
            Txt = Txt & "ForeignTable: " & _
                        .ForeignTable & vbCrLf
            Txt = Txt & "Fields:" & vbCrLf
            For Each fd In .Fields
                Txt = Txt & "Field: " & fd.Name & _
                        ",  ForeignField: " & _
                        fd.ForeignName & vbCrLf
            Next
       End With
       Txt = Txt & vbCrLf
    Next
    
    Fn_GetRelations = Txt
    
    Set rel = Nothing
    Set fd = Nothing
End Function
'-----------------------------------------------

Sub P_FillRelationsTable()
    ' Populates table T_Relations with particulars
    ' of all relations in the db
    ' This table has fields: RelName, RelAttributes,
    ' TableName, ForeignTableName,
    ' FieldName, ForeignFieldName
    
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    Dim fd As DAO.Field
    Dim rel As DAO.Relation
    
    Set db = CurrentDb
    
    ' Clear table T_Relations
    db.Execute "DELETE FROM T_Relations;", _
                        dbFailOnError
    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("T_Relations")
    For Each rel In db.Relations
        ' Populate table T_Relations with
        ' uptodate particulars
        For Each fd In rel.Fields
            With rst
                .AddNew
                
                .Fields("RelName") = rel.Name
                .Fields("RelAttributes") = rel.Attributes
                .Fields("TableName") = rel.Table
                .Fields("ForeignTableName") = _
                                            rel.ForeignTable
                .Fields("FieldName") = fd.Name
                .Fields("ForeignFieldName") = _
                                            fd.ForeignName
                
                .Update
            End With
        Next
    Next
    
    ' Attributes value can be a combination of
    ' one or more of the following:
    ' dbRelationUnique = 1
    ' dbRelationDontEnforce = 2
    ' dbRelationInherited (Linked Table) = 4
    ' dbRelationUpdateCascade = 256
    ' dbRelationDeleteCascade = 4096
    ' dbRelationLeft = 16777216
    ' dbRelationRight = 33554432
    
    ' Examples:
    ' (a) Linked tables with UpdateCascade type
    '       relationship:
    '       Attributes =  4 +256 = 260
    
    ' (b) Local tables with dbRelationLeft +
    '       UpdateCascade type relationship:
    '       Attributes =  16777216 +256 = 16777472
    
    ' (c) Local tables with dbRelationRight +
    '       UpdateCascade type relationship:
    '       Attributes =  33554432 +256 = 33554688
    
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    Set rel = Nothing
    Set fd = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub
'========================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Max Wanadoo 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 01:07
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Relationships


  Hi Gustave,

  Did you have a  change  to look at the  relationship pic I sent?

  I cannot seem to get the collection to see these other joins.

  Any  help  or insights would be  appreciated.

  Thanks

  Max


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
  Sent: 18 February 2010 14:53
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Relationships

  Hi Max

  So you have compound indexes (or indices)? If not, only one field belongs
to
  the index that is tied to the relation.

  /gustav


  >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 18-02-2010 15:29 >>>
  Can anybody help me with the following code.  It doesn't  seem to want to
  give me anything other that  the  first field join.

  Thanks

  Max

  For Each Rel In CurrentDb.Relations
     With Rel
     sql = sql & "Name: " & .Name & vbCrLf
     sql = sql & "Attributes: " & .Attributes & vbCrLf
     sql = sql & "Table: " & .Table & vbCrLf
     sql = sql & "ForeignTable: " & .ForeignTable & vbCrLf
     sql = sql & "Fields:" & vbCrLf
     For Each Fld In .Fields
       sql = sql & "Field: " & Fld.Name & vbCrLf
     Next Fld
     End With
     sql = sql & vbCrLf
  Next
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From Johncliviger at aol.com  Mon Feb 22 04:26:55 2010
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 05:26:55 EST
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Programmers interview
Message-ID: <fad.666afb7f.38b3b5ef@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 21/02/2010 18:04:53 GMT Standard Time,  
max.wanadoo at gmail.com writes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles/



Hi Max
I got 17/20 so what does that say about me? 
 
john cliviger


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 22 04:35:30 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:35:30 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Programmers interview
In-Reply-To: <fad.666afb7f.38b3b5ef@aol.com>
References: <fad.666afb7f.38b3b5ef@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4b825e09.0702d00a.739e.ffff9106@mx.google.com>

It says I  associate with more honest people and therefore get little chance
to practice my skills. You on the other hand.... :)

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Johncliviger at aol.com
Sent: 22 February 2010 10:27
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Programmers interview

 
In a message dated 21/02/2010 18:04:53 GMT Standard Time,  
max.wanadoo at gmail.com writes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles/



Hi Max
I got 17/20 so what does that say about me? 
 
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From pedro at plex.nl  Mon Feb 22 06:14:13 2010
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:14:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT search in name attachments in outlook2003
Message-ID: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>

Hello Group,

a little of topic, but i would like to make a macro in which i could search through the names of mail-attachments of a certain folder in outlook 2003.

Somebody perhaps has a piece of code?

Thanks

Pedro

From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Feb 22 06:54:29 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:54:29 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize
Message-ID: <000001cab3be$2dccb8f0$6a01a8c0@nant>

Hi All --

I'm looking for a solution to backup & synchronize my two development PC's
files and folders - and here is what I have found:

Backup&Synchronize Pro
http://www.rdtechno.com/page9.html

It looks good although I'm a bit worried that its latest version is dated
Feb 17, 2009, and that one of the links from their contact web page
http://www.rdtechno.com/contact.html, where they say that they are located
in Belgium, points to another web page (http://www.addin4office.com/) with
Chinese letters on it...

Does anybody use this software?

Do you know about similar solutions, which you use and find reliable:
basically I need synchronization between two PCs' set of files/folders
backed up into my LAN archive area as well as to a FTP archive.

Well, it looks like I have found another software, which has all the
features I'm looking for -
http://www.handybackup.net/handybackup-professional.shtml ...

Thank you.

--
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Feb 22 07:07:13 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:07:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize
Message-ID: <sb828f9a.057@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

You may wish to look up the recent thread "Once and for all time: server backups" on dba-tech.

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 22-02-2010 13:54 >>>
Hi All --

I'm looking for a solution to backup & synchronize my two development PC's
files and folders - and here is what I have found:

Backup&Synchronize Pro
http://www.rdtechno.com/page9.html 

It looks good although I'm a bit worried that its latest version is dated
Feb 17, 2009, and that one of the links from their contact web page
http://www.rdtechno.com/contact.html, where they say that they are located
in Belgium, points to another web page (http://www.addin4office.com/) with
Chinese letters on it...

Does anybody use this software?

Do you know about similar solutions, which you use and find reliable:
basically I need synchronization between two PCs' set of files/folders
backed up into my LAN archive area as well as to a FTP archive.

Well, it looks like I have found another software, which has all the 
features I'm looking for -
http://www.handybackup.net/handybackup-professional.shtml ...

Thank you.

--
Shamil




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Feb 22 07:13:21 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:13:21 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize
In-Reply-To: <sb828f9a.057@cactus.dk>
References: <sb828f9a.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001801cab3c0$d02e2be0$708a83a0$@spb.ru>

Hi Gustav --

Thank you.

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize

Hi Shamil

You may wish to look up the recent thread "Once and for all time: server
backups" on dba-tech.

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 22-02-2010 13:54 >>>
Hi All --

I'm looking for a solution to backup & synchronize my two development PC's
files and folders - and here is what I have found:

Backup&Synchronize Pro
http://www.rdtechno.com/page9.html 

It looks good although I'm a bit worried that its latest version is dated
Feb 17, 2009, and that one of the links from their contact web page
http://www.rdtechno.com/contact.html, where they say that they are located
in Belgium, points to another web page (http://www.addin4office.com/) with
Chinese letters on it...

Does anybody use this software?

Do you know about similar solutions, which you use and find reliable:
basically I need synchronization between two PCs' set of files/folders
backed up into my LAN archive area as well as to a FTP archive.

Well, it looks like I have found another software, which has all the 
features I'm looking for -
http://www.handybackup.net/handybackup-professional.shtml ...

Thank you.

--
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 22 07:32:42 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:32:42 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize
In-Reply-To: <000001cab3be$2dccb8f0$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <000001cab3be$2dccb8f0$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <4b828796.1358560a.4c8f.ffff977b@mx.google.com>

You can also look here, but  I am not sure about the sync bit.

http://www.codessentials.com/products/yadisbackup.html

max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 22 February 2010 12:54
To: 'Access-D'
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize

Hi All --

I'm looking for a solution to backup & synchronize my two development PC's
files and folders - and here is what I have found:

Backup&Synchronize Pro
http://www.rdtechno.com/page9.html

It looks good although I'm a bit worried that its latest version is dated
Feb 17, 2009, and that one of the links from their contact web page
http://www.rdtechno.com/contact.html, where they say that they are located
in Belgium, points to another web page (http://www.addin4office.com/) with
Chinese letters on it...

Does anybody use this software?

Do you know about similar solutions, which you use and find reliable:
basically I need synchronization between two PCs' set of files/folders
backed up into my LAN archive area as well as to a FTP archive.

Well, it looks like I have found another software, which has all the
features I'm looking for -
http://www.handybackup.net/handybackup-professional.shtml ...

Thank you.

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 22 07:34:46 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:34:46 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize
In-Reply-To: <000001cab3be$2dccb8f0$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <000001cab3be$2dccb8f0$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <4b828812.1358560a.4c8f.ffff9dfc@mx.google.com>

Hi Shamil,

I will also fwd this email just arrived:

Max





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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Feb 22 08:42:12 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:42:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT search in
	name attachments in outlook2003
In-Reply-To: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>
Message-ID: <0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005>

General question on macros:   why have they fallen into disfavor?  

I had an opportunity to fill in as a teacher of an advanced Access course
and a lot of the course was on macros which I never use.  Got a legacy 2007
app to work with last month and it was full of macros.

Macros:  good or bad?  

TIA

Rocky

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:14 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT search in name attachments in outlook2003

Hello Group,

a little of topic, but i would like to make a macro in which i could search
through the names of mail-attachments of a certain folder in outlook 2003.

Somebody perhaps has a piece of code?

Thanks

Pedro
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Feb 22 08:52:42 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:52:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
In-Reply-To: <7EA28CCF015C4615979B1B2E2F05331E@danwaters>
References: <7c7841601002181007m156a670dl7cdd8c018301fce0@mail.gmail.com>	<4b7da114.0508d00a.49be.0e61@mx.google.com>	<64E2C38684074A25B0A0850A836E7283@jislaptopdev><016a01cab12e$ce28c1f0$6a7a45d0$@spb.ru><4b7e49e8.1701d00a.4052.ffffb33c@mx.google.com>
	<7EA28CCF015C4615979B1B2E2F05331E@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4E7F1349B3024967982E9DCA141635D8@jislaptopdev>

...I LOVE competition! :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 8:20 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

> Hi Max,
>
> <1. EatBloat
> <a. Allows individual selection of objects to export and import.
> <b. Sits inside another mdb as a self-contained form
> <c. Did not handle <Relationships, References or linked tables.
> <d. All of the above may have changed in Dan's re-write to EatBloat2.>
>
> For my rewriting of your form, a and b are still true.  It also will 
> export
> all objects of one type, or all objects.
>
> For c, it does not handle relationships (I think code to determine, store,
> and replace relationships may be interesting).  It does allow linked 
> tables,
> but only as an option that is turned off by default.
>
> My primary purpose in rewriting this was to change the export structure so
> that all of the objects that were exported at one time were exported to 
> the
> same folder, rather than a different folder for each type of object.  This
> took a lot of file/folder manipulation, but it's worth it.  Now when I'm
> importing I can just 'select all' in the navigation window, push the 
> Proceed
> button, and it all gets imported at once.  Tables are imported first, then
> queries, then the remaining objects.
>
> In addition, you said once that you like to use this as a backup 
> mechanism.
> To do this the export folder is now date and time stamped.  You can reset
> the date and time stamp to current time by pushing one button, or you can
> turn on auto update of date and time so that each export is automatically
> sent to a different export folder.
>
> I also wanted to use the list boxes for a visual selection of objects to
> export.
>
> Please take a look and let me know what your thoughts are!
>
> www.promationsystems.com/databaseadvisors.htm
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Feb 22 08:56:42 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:56:42 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
In-Reply-To: <4E7F1349B3024967982E9DCA141635D8@jislaptopdev>
References: <7c7841601002181007m156a670dl7cdd8c018301fce0@mail.gmail.com>	<4b7da114.0508d00a.49be.0e61@mx.google.com>	<64E2C38684074A25B0A0850A836E7283@jislaptopdev><016a01cab12e$ce28c1f0$6a7a45d0$@spb.ru><4b7e49e8.1701d00a.4052.ffffb33c@mx.google.com>	<7EA28CCF015C4615979B1B2E2F05331E@danwaters>
	<4E7F1349B3024967982E9DCA141635D8@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4b829b46.0a04d00a.34d3.6a25@mx.google.com>

Remember that when you are next challenging the competitors for a contract!!
:)

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: 22 February 2010 14:53
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

...I LOVE competition! :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 8:20 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

> Hi Max,
>
> <1. EatBloat
> <a. Allows individual selection of objects to export and import.
> <b. Sits inside another mdb as a self-contained form
> <c. Did not handle <Relationships, References or linked tables.
> <d. All of the above may have changed in Dan's re-write to EatBloat2.>
>
> For my rewriting of your form, a and b are still true.  It also will 
> export
> all objects of one type, or all objects.
>
> For c, it does not handle relationships (I think code to determine, store,
> and replace relationships may be interesting).  It does allow linked 
> tables,
> but only as an option that is turned off by default.
>
> My primary purpose in rewriting this was to change the export structure so
> that all of the objects that were exported at one time were exported to 
> the
> same folder, rather than a different folder for each type of object.  This
> took a lot of file/folder manipulation, but it's worth it.  Now when I'm
> importing I can just 'select all' in the navigation window, push the 
> Proceed
> button, and it all gets imported at once.  Tables are imported first, then
> queries, then the remaining objects.
>
> In addition, you said once that you like to use this as a backup 
> mechanism.
> To do this the export folder is now date and time stamped.  You can reset
> the date and time stamp to current time by pushing one button, or you can
> turn on auto update of date and time so that each export is automatically
> sent to a different export folder.
>
> I also wanted to use the list boxes for a visual selection of objects to
> export.
>
> Please take a look and let me know what your thoughts are!
>
> www.promationsystems.com/databaseadvisors.htm
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Feb 22 09:15:28 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:15:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
In-Reply-To: <4b829b46.0a04d00a.34d3.6a25@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841601002181007m156a670dl7cdd8c018301fce0@mail.gmail.com>	<4b7da114.0508d00a.49be.0e61@mx.google.com>	<64E2C38684074A25B0A0850A836E7283@jislaptopdev><016a01cab12e$ce28c1f0$6a7a45d0$@spb.ru><4b7e49e8.1701d00a.4052.ffffb33c@mx.google.com>	<7EA28CCF015C4615979B1B2E2F05331E@danwaters><4E7F1349B3024967982E9DCA141635D8@jislaptopdev>
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...lol ...all my work is via wom ...the competitors don't stand a chance :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 9:56 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat

> Remember that when you are next challenging the competitors for a 
> contract!!
> :)
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: 22 February 2010 14:53
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
>
> ...I LOVE competition! :)
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 8:20 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] RemoteEatBloat
>
>> Hi Max,
>>
>> <1. EatBloat
>> <a. Allows individual selection of objects to export and import.
>> <b. Sits inside another mdb as a self-contained form
>> <c. Did not handle <Relationships, References or linked tables.
>> <d. All of the above may have changed in Dan's re-write to EatBloat2.>
>>
>> For my rewriting of your form, a and b are still true.  It also will
>> export
>> all objects of one type, or all objects.
>>
>> For c, it does not handle relationships (I think code to determine, 
>> store,
>> and replace relationships may be interesting).  It does allow linked
>> tables,
>> but only as an option that is turned off by default.
>>
>> My primary purpose in rewriting this was to change the export structure 
>> so
>> that all of the objects that were exported at one time were exported to
>> the
>> same folder, rather than a different folder for each type of object. 
>> This
>> took a lot of file/folder manipulation, but it's worth it.  Now when I'm
>> importing I can just 'select all' in the navigation window, push the
>> Proceed
>> button, and it all gets imported at once.  Tables are imported first, 
>> then
>> queries, then the remaining objects.
>>
>> In addition, you said once that you like to use this as a backup
>> mechanism.
>> To do this the export folder is now date and time stamped.  You can reset
>> the date and time stamp to current time by pushing one button, or you can
>> turn on auto update of date and time so that each export is automatically
>> sent to a different export folder.
>>
>> I also wanted to use the list boxes for a visual selection of objects to
>> export.
>>
>> Please take a look and let me know what your thoughts are!
>>
>> www.promationsystems.com/databaseadvisors.htm
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Dan
>>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Feb 22 09:58:21 2010
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:58:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize
In-Reply-To: <000001cab3be$2dccb8f0$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <000001cab3be$2dccb8f0$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c1002220758l6f27cc6ci914b324e634b26f7@mail.gmail.com>

What about Dropbox?  Offline backup and synchronization - works like a
charm, and keeps old file versions as well.

Doug

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:54 AM, Shamil Salakhetdinov <
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> wrote:

> Hi All --
>
> I'm looking for a solution to backup & synchronize my two development PC's
> files and folders - and here is what I have found:
>
>


From jedi at charm.net  Mon Feb 22 11:58:32 2010
From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:58:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize
In-Reply-To: <000001cab3be$2dccb8f0$6a01a8c0@nant>
References: <000001cab3be$2dccb8f0$6a01a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <3764.24.35.23.165.1266861512.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>

I like Acronis.  It does image backups.
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/

Mike...

> Hi All --
>
> I'm looking for a solution to backup & synchronize my two development PC's
> files and folders - and here is what I have found:
>
> Backup&Synchronize Pro
> http://www.rdtechno.com/page9.html
>
> It looks good although I'm a bit worried that its latest version is dated
> Feb 17, 2009, and that one of the links from their contact web page
> http://www.rdtechno.com/contact.html, where they say that they are located
> in Belgium, points to another web page (http://www.addin4office.com/) with
> Chinese letters on it...
>
> Does anybody use this software?
>
> Do you know about similar solutions, which you use and find reliable:
> basically I need synchronization between two PCs' set of files/folders
> backed up into my LAN archive area as well as to a FTP archive.
>
> Well, it looks like I have found another software, which has all the
> features I'm looking for -
> http://www.handybackup.net/handybackup-professional.shtml ...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
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>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Feb 22 12:02:17 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:02:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Programmers interview
In-Reply-To: <4b817595.9615f10a.1543.7f7d@mx.google.com>
References: <4B7EC410.5050908@nanaimo.ark.com><20100219203644.DRZF14639.mta03.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<4b817595.9615f10a.1543.7f7d@mx.google.com>
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I got 16/20.....  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Programmers interview

Bit late, but...

You are interviewing a programmer for an important job and you ask him
"Can
you program really well in MS Access" and he says "Sure I can" and
smiles at
you.

Is he lying or telling the truth.

Judge for yourself. Can you tell the liar?

I got 15/20. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/smiles/

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Feb 22 13:21:40 2010
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:21:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Custom toolbar
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C19171A7BCD@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a custom toolbar in a database. I would like to replicate the tool bar in the same database and add some more commands. How would I do this? I only find info on copying to another databse.


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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Feb 22 13:21:38 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:21:38 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize
In-Reply-To: <sb828f9a.057@cactus.dk>
References: <sb828f9a.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004b01cab3f4$42ebeb30$c8c3c190$@spb.ru>

Hi Gustav et al,

Thank you for your replies/proposals.

Gustav, I wanted to try your "backup scheme":

<<<
1. Server to local backup station via Second Copy
2. Backup station to remote location via Gbridge
3. Server to the cloud via MySecureBackup
>>> 

But I'm not sure  I understand how this scheme allows to organize automatic
synchronization of two PCs' files & folders: are that GBridge's "Secure
Share" and "Auto Sync" tasks? What is the max storage capacity for GBridge
solution?

Or does SecondCopy have automatic synchronization feature, and then I have
to get two SecondCopy licenses - one for each PC?

Or it's MySecureBackup, which allows to setup automatic synchronization and
which represents theoretically unlimited storage as that one can grow as
your backup storage needs grow, and as you pay additional monthly fees for
that storage via MySecureBackup on Amazon C3?...

Thank you.

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize

Hi Shamil

You may wish to look up the recent thread "Once and for all time: server
backups" on dba-tech.

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 22-02-2010 13:54 >>>
Hi All --

I'm looking for a solution to backup & synchronize my two development PC's
files and folders - and here is what I have found:

Backup&Synchronize Pro
http://www.rdtechno.com/page9.html 

It looks good although I'm a bit worried that its latest version is dated
Feb 17, 2009, and that one of the links from their contact web page
http://www.rdtechno.com/contact.html, where they say that they are located
in Belgium, points to another web page (http://www.addin4office.com/) with
Chinese letters on it...

Does anybody use this software?

Do you know about similar solutions, which you use and find reliable:
basically I need synchronization between two PCs' set of files/folders
backed up into my LAN archive area as well as to a FTP archive.

Well, it looks like I have found another software, which has all the 
features I'm looking for -
http://www.handybackup.net/handybackup-professional.shtml ...

Thank you.

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From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca  Mon Feb 22 13:48:04 2010
From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:48:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT search in name attachments in outlook2003
In-Reply-To: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP318F520AE2D116FADB57CDC4430@phx.gbl>

Pedro,

I have some vba code I use within Outlook to list the subject, date, time
and attachment name(s) for emails with attachments. You select the Outlook
folder via a Pickfolder. Not sure if this would be of any use.

jack
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 7:14 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT search in name attachments in outlook2003

Hello Group,

a little of topic, but i would like to make a macro in which i could search
through the names of mail-attachments of a certain folder in outlook 2003.

Somebody perhaps has a piece of code?

Thanks

Pedro
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From pedro at plex.nl  Mon Feb 22 15:07:01 2010
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:07:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT search in name attachments in outlook2003
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>
	<BLU0-SMTP318F520AE2D116FADB57CDC4430@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001201cab402$fa7a8c30$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>

Hello Jack,

just let me try it out, then i can see if it is helpfull.

Thanks

Pedro


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack and Pat" <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT search in name attachments in outlook2003


> Pedro,
>
> I have some vba code I use within Outlook to list the subject, date, time
> and attachment name(s) for emails with attachments. You select the Outlook
> folder via a Pickfolder. Not sure if this would be of any use.
>
> jack
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 7:14 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] OT search in name attachments in outlook2003
>
> Hello Group,
>
> a little of topic, but i would like to make a macro in which i could 
> search
> through the names of mail-attachments of a certain folder in outlook 2003.
>
> Somebody perhaps has a piece of code?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
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From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca  Mon Feb 22 16:03:36 2010
From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:03:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT search in name attachments in outlook2003
In-Reply-To: <001201cab402$fa7a8c30$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9><BLU0-SMTP318F520AE2D116FADB57CDC4430@phx.gbl>
	<001201cab402$fa7a8c30$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP12BE368C0EA36C6EC36DDAC4430@phx.gbl>

Pedro,
Send offline to you.
jack

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT search in name attachments in outlook2003

Hello Jack,

just let me try it out, then i can see if it is helpfull.

Thanks

Pedro


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack and Pat" <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT search in name attachments in outlook2003


> Pedro,
>
> I have some vba code I use within Outlook to list the subject, date, time
> and attachment name(s) for emails with attachments. You select the Outlook
> folder via a Pickfolder. Not sure if this would be of any use.
>
> jack
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 7:14 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] OT search in name attachments in outlook2003
>
> Hello Group,
>
> a little of topic, but i would like to make a macro in which i could 
> search
> through the names of mail-attachments of a certain folder in outlook 2003.
>
> Somebody perhaps has a piece of code?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Feb 22 16:13:33 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:13:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT search
	inname attachments in outlook2003
In-Reply-To: <0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>
	<0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005>
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Interesting question Rocky.

Macros serve their purpose, but if it can be done in code just as
easily, there is no real reason to use a Macro.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT search
inname attachments in outlook2003

General question on macros:   why have they fallen into disfavor?  

I had an opportunity to fill in as a teacher of an advanced Access
course
and a lot of the course was on macros which I never use.  Got a legacy
2007
app to work with last month and it was full of macros.

Macros:  good or bad?  

TIA

Rocky

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Feb 22 16:21:12 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:21:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT
	searchinname attachments in outlook2003
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Is there a real reason not to?   I've heard some macrophobic language on the
list but don't really know if it's because macros are kind of 'old school',
not the moderne technique, or if there's a good reason not to use them.  

I read here also that they've been kind of rehabilitated in A2K7 to the
dismay of some.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT
searchinname attachments in outlook2003

Interesting question Rocky.

Macros serve their purpose, but if it can be done in code just as easily,
there is no real reason to use a Macro.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT search
inname attachments in outlook2003

General question on macros:   why have they fallen into disfavor?  

I had an opportunity to fill in as a teacher of an advanced Access course
and a lot of the course was on macros which I never use.  Got a legacy
2007
app to work with last month and it was full of macros.

Macros:  good or bad?  

TIA

Rocky

 

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From Darryl.Collins at anz.com  Mon Feb 22 16:22:26 2010
From: Darryl.Collins at anz.com (Collins, Darryl)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:22:26 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize
In-Reply-To: <000001cab3be$2dccb8f0$6a01a8c0@nant>
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Have you have a look at Karen's power tools.  Her 'Replicator' software
app is free, fast and fairly useful I find for that sort of thing.

Regards
Darryl. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Monday, 22 February 2010 11:54 PM
To: 'Access-D'
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize

Hi All --

I'm looking for a solution to backup & synchronize my two development
PC's files and folders - and here is what I have found:

Backup&Synchronize Pro
http://www.rdtechno.com/page9.html

It looks good although I'm a bit worried that its latest version is
dated Feb 17, 2009, and that one of the links from their contact web
page http://www.rdtechno.com/contact.html, where they say that they are
located in Belgium, points to another web page
(http://www.addin4office.com/) with Chinese letters on it...

Does anybody use this software?

Do you know about similar solutions, which you use and find reliable:
basically I need synchronization between two PCs' set of files/folders
backed up into my LAN archive area as well as to a FTP archive.

Well, it looks like I have found another software, which has all the
features I'm looking for -
http://www.handybackup.net/handybackup-professional.shtml ...

Thank you.

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From Darryl.Collins at anz.com  Mon Feb 22 16:23:44 2010
From: Darryl.Collins at anz.com (Collins, Darryl)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:23:44 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Custom toolbar
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C19171A7BCD@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E8101688EDB@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>


Hi Chester,

Did you build the toolbar programically?  Or did you put it together by
hand using the custom command bar function?

Regards
Darryl. 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2010 6:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Custom toolbar

I have a custom toolbar in a database. I would like to replicate the
tool bar in the same database and add some more commands. How would I do
this? I only find info on copying to another databse.


Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Feb 22 16:23:42 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:23:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize
Message-ID: <sb831228.071@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Your situation is a bit different so I wouldn't suggest you should mimic my setup but the involved tools or utilities could prove useful as well as some of the other mentioned in the thread. Also, our purpose is not to sync two or more machines, only one-way backup and ad-hoc restore.

I understand that you have two machines at home, right? And no dedicated server? And access to a remote FTP-server?
Then Second Copy would fit the bill. It can sync the two machines and backup from one machine to the FTP-server.
You would need two licenses though it would work with one license only. The site is not completely clear on this.

I would add to this some kind of system backup to, say, an external harddisk which normally would be stored somewhere else outside your home.

GBridge would work between two local machines as well but doesn't feature FTP backup. But it is a Novel idea and a little fun to set up. It allows for remote access to your machines - say from a notebook at the client to your machine at home if it is on-line.

By the way, if you install LogMeIn Free on your workstation(s) you may be able to power them up remotely via Wake-On-Lan from a browser. A very nice feature which I use; then I can leave my office workstation turned off for the weekend but should I need access to it from home, I can turn it on this way. Very clever, and no difficult configuration has to done, it works out of the box.

Jungle Disk or MySecureBackup (the OEM version) is quite different as it backs up to a remote store at Amazon. This, however, features a web interface and a network drive interface as well, which means that you can access your stored files from any machine with a browser and internet connection, and locally access your stored files as if it was a normal network drive with a drive letter. The fee for storing at Amazon is very low and the storage capacity is for any practical purpose unlimited. You pay per month only for the storage in use and a tiny amount for traffic.

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 22-02-2010 20:21 >>>
Hi Gustav et al,

Thank you for your replies/proposals.

Gustav, I wanted to try your "backup scheme":

<<<
1. Server to local backup station via Second Copy
2. Backup station to remote location via Gbridge
3. Server to the cloud via MySecureBackup
>>> 

But I'm not sure  I understand how this scheme allows to organize automatic
synchronization of two PCs' files & folders: are that GBridge's "Secure
Share" and "Auto Sync" tasks? What is the max storage capacity for GBridge
solution?

Or does SecondCopy have automatic synchronization feature, and then I have
to get two SecondCopy licenses - one for each PC?

Or it's MySecureBackup, which allows to setup automatic synchronization and
which represents theoretically unlimited storage as that one can grow as
your backup storage needs grow, and as you pay additional monthly fees for
that storage via MySecureBackup on Amazon C3?...

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize

Hi Shamil

You may wish to look up the recent thread "Once and for all time: server
backups" on dba-tech.

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 22-02-2010 13:54 >>>
Hi All --

I'm looking for a solution to backup & synchronize my two development PC's
files and folders - and here is what I have found:

Backup&Synchronize Pro
http://www.rdtechno.com/page9.html 

It looks good although I'm a bit worried that its latest version is dated
Feb 17, 2009, and that one of the links from their contact web page
http://www.rdtechno.com/contact.html, where they say that they are located
in Belgium, points to another web page (http://www.addin4office.com/) with
Chinese letters on it...

Does anybody use this software?

Do you know about similar solutions, which you use and find reliable:
basically I need synchronization between two PCs' set of files/folders
backed up into my LAN archive area as well as to a FTP archive.

Well, it looks like I have found another software, which has all the 
features I'm looking for -
http://www.handybackup.net/handybackup-professional.shtml ...

Thank you.

--
Shamil



From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Feb 22 16:26:30 2010
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:26:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Custom toolbar
In-Reply-To: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E8101688EDB@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C19171A7BCD@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E8101688EDB@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C19171A7C82@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

?Or did you put it together by
hand using the custom command bar function?
Yes


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Collins, Darryl
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom toolbar


Hi Chester,

Did you build the toolbar programically?  Or did you put it together by
hand using the custom command bar function?

Regards
Darryl. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2010 6:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Custom toolbar

I have a custom toolbar in a database. I would like to replicate the
tool bar in the same database and add some more commands. How would I do
this? I only find info on copying to another databse.


Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Feb 22 16:30:21 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:30:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
Message-ID: <sb8313b0.072@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

There is the reason that if you continue talking about m.....s you may be directed to the spam box at several listers!

Now, what was is about? I didn't hear your question?

/gustav


>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 22-02-2010 23:21 >>>
Is there a real reason not to?   I've heard some macrophobic language on the list ..




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Feb 22 16:31:35 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:31:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT search
	inname attachments in outlook2003
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6F9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>,
	<0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005>,
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6F9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <4B8305C7.23035.547733@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

1. Error handling.
Enough said.

2.  Simplicity.
There are many things which I need to do in code that  can't be done in macros, I don;t want 
to look in one place for half of my application and somewhere else for the other half - so I do 
it all in code.

3.  Maintainability.
It's much easier to search through and edit code modules than it is to search through macros 
and the actions in them.


-- 
Stuart

On 22 Feb 2010 at 16:13, Drew Wutka wrote:

> Interesting question Rocky.
> 
> Macros serve their purpose, but if it can be done in code just as
> easily, there is no real reason to use a Macro.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:42 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT search
> inname attachments in outlook2003
> 
> General question on macros:   why have they fallen into disfavor?  
> 
> I had an opportunity to fill in as a teacher of an advanced Access
> course
> and a lot of the course was on macros which I never use.  Got a legacy
> 2007
> app to work with last month and it was full of macros.
> 
> Macros:  good or bad?  
> 
> TIA
> 
> Rocky
> 
>  
> 
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Feb 22 16:32:27 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:32:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT
	searchinname attachments in outlook2003
In-Reply-To: <AAD96A7EBD6C42F685152E348E6883C4@HAL9005>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>
	<0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6F9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<AAD96A7EBD6C42F685152E348E6883C4@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <8786a4c01002221432k45a2b6d9lde179efc82e45f17@mail.gmail.com>

I believe this is because macro lack error handling.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> Is there a real reason not to? ? I've heard some macrophobic language on the
> list but don't really know if it's because macros are kind of 'old school',
> not the moderne technique, or if there's a good reason not to use them.
>
> I read here also that they've been kind of rehabilitated in A2K7 to the
> dismay of some.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT
> searchinname attachments in outlook2003
>
> Interesting question Rocky.
>
> Macros serve their purpose, but if it can be done in code just as easily,
> there is no real reason to use a Macro.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:42 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT search
> inname attachments in outlook2003
>
> General question on macros: ? why have they fallen into disfavor?
>
> I had an opportunity to fill in as a teacher of an advanced Access course
> and a lot of the course was on macros which I never use. ?Got a legacy
> 2007
> app to work with last month and it was full of macros.
>
> Macros: ?good or bad?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Mon Feb 22 16:47:34 2010
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:47:34 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <AAD96A7EBD6C42F685152E348E6883C4@HAL9005>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>
	<0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6F9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<AAD96A7EBD6C42F685152E348E6883C4@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <E3E0A74ACB1B4D1989AAE5D29D575BA4@stevePC>

Rocky,

If you want to build Access Web Applications in Access 2010 and beyond, you 
will need to get proficient with macros.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:21 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: 
OTsearchinname attachments in outlook2003

> Is there a real reason not to?   I've heard some macrophobic language on 
> the
> list but don't really know if it's because macros are kind of 'old 
> school',
> not the moderne technique, or if there's a good reason not to use them.
>
> I read here also that they've been kind of rehabilitated in A2K7 to the
> dismay of some.
>
 



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Feb 22 16:57:45 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:57:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE:
	OTsearchinname attachments in outlook2003
In-Reply-To: <AAD96A7EBD6C42F685152E348E6883C4@HAL9005>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9><0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6F9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<AAD96A7EBD6C42F685152E348E6883C4@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D701@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Much more difficult to troubleshoot.  So that would apply to complex
macros.  Not to mention there is no errorhandling.

So if we are talking about using a macro to open a form, why not?  The
only logic I could use against a simple process macro is that if the
object you use has code behind it, it is more difficult to see what all
processes are at work.  (ie, if you have an OnClick and a MouseOver
event working, one is code, one is a macro, you can't really see details
of both at the same time.  Nor would you even see the other event is
active from the code page.)

We have databases here at work with loads of macros.  They are easy to
create.  

My only true gripe with the Macro portion of Access is that it's nothing
like what Word/Excel have, where the Macros are actually created in VBA,
allowing much more elegant modifications.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE:
OTsearchinname attachments in outlook2003

Is there a real reason not to?   I've heard some macrophobic language on
the
list but don't really know if it's because macros are kind of 'old
school',
not the moderne technique, or if there's a good reason not to use them.


I read here also that they've been kind of rehabilitated in A2K7 to the
dismay of some.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT
searchinname attachments in outlook2003

Interesting question Rocky.

Macros serve their purpose, but if it can be done in code just as
easily,
there is no real reason to use a Macro.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT search
inname attachments in outlook2003

General question on macros:   why have they fallen into disfavor?  

I had an opportunity to fill in as a teacher of an advanced Access
course
and a lot of the course was on macros which I never use.  Got a legacy
2007
app to work with last month and it was full of macros.

Macros:  good or bad?  

TIA

Rocky

 

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Feb 22 17:18:13 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:18:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE:
	OTsearchinname attachments in outlook2003
In-Reply-To: <8786a4c01002221432k45a2b6d9lde179efc82e45f17@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9><0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6F9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net><AAD96A7EBD6C42F685152E348E6883C4@HAL9005>
	<8786a4c01002221432k45a2b6d9lde179efc82e45f17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <75E9234C86A74E219D00816E6C9AC96A@murphy3234aaf1>

Actually as I understand it Access 2007 macros have some type of error
handling. I too have worked on several 2007 legacy prodects that had macros.
I find that maintining these is dificult as in some macros are chained and
the same on used in several places. It may be what your used to is what you
want to use, but I find vba much easier to maintain and develop in.

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE:
OTsearchinname attachments in outlook2003

I believe this is because macro lack error handling.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> Is there a real reason not to? ? I've heard some macrophobic language 
> on the list but don't really know if it's because macros are kind of 
> 'old school', not the moderne technique, or if there's a good reason not
to use them.
>
> I read here also that they've been kind of rehabilitated in A2K7 to 
> the dismay of some.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT 
> searchinname attachments in outlook2003
>
> Interesting question Rocky.
>
> Macros serve their purpose, but if it can be done in code just as 
> easily, there is no real reason to use a Macro.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:42 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT search 
> inname attachments in outlook2003
>
> General question on macros: ? why have they fallen into disfavor?
>
> I had an opportunity to fill in as a teacher of an advanced Access 
> course and a lot of the course was on macros which I never use. ?Got a 
> legacy
> 2007
> app to work with last month and it was full of macros.
>
> Macros: ?good or bad?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
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> the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI 
> Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not 
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> destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy.
> You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, 
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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Mon Feb 22 17:19:18 2010
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:19:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Custom toolbar
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C19171A7BCD@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C19171A7BCD@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <026414DD33F24AFD8C903E499CF689AA@abpc>

Chester,
Try a function like this:

Function AddCommandBar(ByVal OldToolbar As String, ByVal NewToolBar As String)
    Dim cb As CommandBar, ct As Object
    Application.CommandBars.Add (NewToolBar)
    Set cb = CommandBars(NewToolBar)
    For Each ct In CommandBars(OldToolbar).Controls
        ct.Copy cb
    Next ct
End Function

Asger
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 22. februar 2010 20:22
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] Custom toolbar

I have a custom toolbar in a database. I would like to replicate the tool bar in the same database and add some more commands. How would I do this? I only find info on copying to another databse.


Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

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From miscellany at mvps.org  Mon Feb 22 17:22:42 2010
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:22:42 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was
 RE:OTsearchinname attachments in outlook2003
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D701@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>
	<0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6F9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<AAD96A7EBD6C42F685152E348E6883C4@HAL9005>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D701@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <5B7B423408624C0BA36EC5EFCCA15D2B@stevePC>

Drew

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at Marlow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:57 AM

> ....  Not to mention there is no errorhandling.

That was true prior to Access 2007, which introduced the OnError macro 
action, allowing the branching of the macro via the GoTo argument, and the 
identification of the MacroError.Number and MacroError.Description 
properties.  This is pretty effective for most purposes..

Regards
Steve 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Feb 22 17:25:20 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:25:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <sb8313b0.072@cactus.dk>
References: <sb8313b0.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <5174A9CE38624511BAA9FCB38EF89B1A@HAL9005>

You!  You were the one.  OK, let's hear it.  I know there's some scandalous
info about macros.  What is it?

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:30 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

Hi Rocky

There is the reason that if you continue talking about m.....s you may be
directed to the spam box at several listers!

Now, what was is about? I didn't hear your question?

/gustav


>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 22-02-2010 23:21 >>>
Is there a real reason not to?   I've heard some macrophobic language on the
list ..


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Feb 22 17:26:44 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:26:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT
	searchinname attachments in outlook2003
In-Reply-To: <4B8305C7.23035.547733@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>,
	<0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005>,
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6F9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<4B8305C7.23035.547733@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <BE5FDE8E67F242CB8E942A8E39D7A3CA@HAL9005>

Now we're getting somewhere.   

"Enough said."  Well, not quite enough.  Tell us more.  What kind of errors
do macros create that can't be handled?

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT
searchinname attachments in outlook2003

1. Error handling.
Enough said.

2.  Simplicity.
There are many things which I need to do in code that  can't be done in
macros, I don;t want to look in one place for half of my application and
somewhere else for the other half - so I do it all in code.

3.  Maintainability.
It's much easier to search through and edit code modules than it is to
search through macros and the actions in them.


-- 
Stuart

On 22 Feb 2010 at 16:13, Drew Wutka wrote:

> Interesting question Rocky.
> 
> Macros serve their purpose, but if it can be done in code just as
> easily, there is no real reason to use a Macro.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:42 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT search
> inname attachments in outlook2003
> 
> General question on macros:   why have they fallen into disfavor?  
> 
> I had an opportunity to fill in as a teacher of an advanced Access
> course
> and a lot of the course was on macros which I never use.  Got a legacy
> 2007
> app to work with last month and it was full of macros.
> 
> Macros:  good or bad?  
> 
> TIA
> 
> Rocky
> 
>  
> 
> The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the
person or entity 
> to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI
Business 
> Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact
the sender 
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or hard copy. 
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dissemination, 
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by persons 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Feb 22 17:27:59 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:27:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <E3E0A74ACB1B4D1989AAE5D29D575BA4@stevePC>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9><0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6F9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net><AAD96A7EBD6C42F685152E348E6883C4@HAL9005>
	<E3E0A74ACB1B4D1989AAE5D29D575BA4@stevePC>
Message-ID: <2E01D7E96B2B48C0B1DBCF0D5A383883@HAL9005>

Why?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

Rocky,

If you want to build Access Web Applications in Access 2010 and beyond, you
will need to get proficient with macros.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:21 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: 
OTsearchinname attachments in outlook2003

> Is there a real reason not to?   I've heard some macrophobic language on 
> the
> list but don't really know if it's because macros are kind of 'old 
> school', not the moderne technique, or if there's a good reason not to 
> use them.
>
> I read here also that they've been kind of rehabilitated in A2K7 to 
> the dismay of some.
>
 

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Feb 22 17:31:27 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:31:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT
	searchinname attachments in outlook2003
In-Reply-To: <4B8305C7.23035.547733@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>,
	<0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005>,
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6F9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<4B8305C7.23035.547733@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E7544114D47F43B9863028BE1F10DDAF@jislaptopdev>

...isn't security also a major issue with macros?

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:31 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT 
searchinname attachments in outlook2003

> 1. Error handling.
> Enough said.
>
> 2.  Simplicity.
> There are many things which I need to do in code that  can't be done in 
> macros, I don;t want
> to look in one place for half of my application and somewhere else for the 
> other half - so I do
> it all in code.
>
> 3.  Maintainability.
> It's much easier to search through and edit code modules than it is to 
> search through macros
> and the actions in them.
>
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
> On 22 Feb 2010 at 16:13, Drew Wutka wrote:
>
>> Interesting question Rocky.
>>
>> Macros serve their purpose, but if it can be done in code just as
>> easily, there is no real reason to use a Macro.
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:42 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT search
>> inname attachments in outlook2003
>>
>> General question on macros:   why have they fallen into disfavor?
>>
>> I had an opportunity to fill in as a teacher of an advanced Access
>> course
>> and a lot of the course was on macros which I never use.  Got a legacy
>> 2007
>> app to work with last month and it was full of macros.
>>
>> Macros:  good or bad?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>> The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the 
>> person or entity
>> to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI 
>> Business
>> Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact 
>> the sender
>> immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic 
>> or hard copy.
>> You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, 
>> dissemination,
>> or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this 
>> information by persons
>> or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited.
>>
>>
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Mon Feb 22 17:32:11 2010
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:32:11 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <2E01D7E96B2B48C0B1DBCF0D5A383883@HAL9005>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>
	<0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6F9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<AAD96A7EBD6C42F685152E348E6883C4@HAL9005>
	<E3E0A74ACB1B4D1989AAE5D29D575BA4@stevePC>
	<2E01D7E96B2B48C0B1DBCF0D5A383883@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <72892791BB2D4F0983D361C4A794FDDD@stevePC>

Rocky,

Because you can't use VBA in Web Apps.  If you want any sort of automation 
of data manipulation or UI control, you have to use macros, there's no other 
choice.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:27 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

> Why?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
>
> Rocky,
>
> If you want to build Access Web Applications in Access 2010 and beyond, 
> you
> will need to get proficient with macros.
>
 



From miscellany at mvps.org  Mon Feb 22 17:37:16 2010
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:37:16 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE:
 OTsearchinname attachments in outlook2003
In-Reply-To: <E7544114D47F43B9863028BE1F10DDAF@jislaptopdev>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>
	<0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6F9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<4B8305C7.23035.547733@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E7544114D47F43B9863028BE1F10DDAF@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <608F4F3801FB42E1974779B7EA6B3146@stevePC>

William,

Yes, that's the #1 reason I stopped using them.  You can tuck your code away 
when you make a MDE/ACCDE but the macros are still easy to access.

Access 2007 introduced the Embedded Macro, which solves this problem to a 
large extent.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:31 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: 
OTsearchinname attachments in outlook2003

> ...isn't security also a major issue with macros?
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:31 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT
> searchinname attachments in outlook2003
>
>> 1. Error handling.
>> Enough said.
>>
>> 2.  Simplicity.
>> There are many things which I need to do in code that  can't be done in
>> macros, I don;t want
>> to look in one place for half of my application and somewhere else for 
>> the
>> other half - so I do
>> it all in code.
>>
>> 3.  Maintainability.
>> It's much easier to search through and edit code modules than it is to
>> search through macros
>> and the actions in them.
 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Feb 22 17:49:17 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:49:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <72892791BB2D4F0983D361C4A794FDDD@stevePC>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9><0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6F9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net><AAD96A7EBD6C42F685152E348E6883C4@HAL9005><E3E0A74ACB1B4D1989AAE5D29D575BA4@stevePC><2E01D7E96B2B48C0B1DBCF0D5A383883@HAL9005>
	<72892791BB2D4F0983D361C4A794FDDD@stevePC>
Message-ID: <E3CF0CC97E374C5FAFE17BC726B983E9@HAL9005>

So, changing subjects slightly, and not shy about exposing ignorance, can
you 'webbify' an Access app in 2010?  Something that we have not been able
to do in previous versions? 

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 3:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

Rocky,

Because you can't use VBA in Web Apps.  If you want any sort of automation
of data manipulation or UI control, you have to use macros, there's no other
choice.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:27 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

> Why?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Schapel
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
>
> Rocky,
>
> If you want to build Access Web Applications in Access 2010 and 
> beyond, you will need to get proficient with macros.
>
 

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From miscellany at mvps.org  Mon Feb 22 18:10:02 2010
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:10:02 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <E3CF0CC97E374C5FAFE17BC726B983E9@HAL9005>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9>
	<0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6F9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<AAD96A7EBD6C42F685152E348E6883C4@HAL9005>
	<E3E0A74ACB1B4D1989AAE5D29D575BA4@stevePC>
	<2E01D7E96B2B48C0B1DBCF0D5A383883@HAL9005>
	<72892791BB2D4F0983D361C4A794FDDD@stevePC>
	<E3CF0CC97E374C5FAFE17BC726B983E9@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4ED31AA13067438E9077EBBF98C8DE56@stevePC>

Rocky,

A good source of info about this topic at the moment is 
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:49 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

> So, changing subjects slightly, and not shy about exposing ignorance, can
> you 'webbify' an Access app in 2010?  Something that we have not been able
> to do in previous versions?
>
 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Feb 22 18:25:11 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:25:11 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE:
	OT	searchinname attachments in outlook2003
In-Reply-To: <AAD96A7EBD6C42F685152E348E6883C4@HAL9005>
References: <002b01cab3b8$8bed0080$0802a8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9><0E1C6DF6406C464CB92B4DA6F6E5601A@HAL9005>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6F9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
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In the newest versions of Access, macros have been given a lot more capabilities than they had before.  They still aren't as flexible or powerful as code.  They're there to allow non-developers to make Access do what they want, as best they can, so they're really end user tools.  In Access 1.0, that was all we had.  Now, I believe you can do some nesting and other things, but frankly, I've never been interested enough to look into it.  You can drive a nail with a rock too, but if you already have a hammer, why bother?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT searchinname attachments in outlook2003

Is there a real reason not to?   I've heard some macrophobic language on the
list but don't really know if it's because macros are kind of 'old school',
not the moderne technique, or if there's a good reason not to use them.  

I read here also that they've been kind of rehabilitated in A2K7 to the
dismay of some.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT
searchinname attachments in outlook2003

Interesting question Rocky.

Macros serve their purpose, but if it can be done in code just as easily,
there is no real reason to use a Macro.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT search
inname attachments in outlook2003

General question on macros:   why have they fallen into disfavor?  

I had an opportunity to fill in as a teacher of an advanced Access course
and a lot of the course was on macros which I never use.  Got a legacy
2007
app to work with last month and it was full of macros.

Macros:  good or bad?  

TIA

Rocky

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Feb 22 19:44:59 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:44:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: They call it a 'Glitch'
Message-ID: <A81F14971E574439A19DF73C0AF20EF6@HAL9005>


You know what gripes me?  The use of the word 'glitch' to describe the
software problems in the Toyotas:

"Experts say a glitch in Toyota's "Electronic Throttle Control System" would
be much more expensive and problematic than faulty floor mats. " 

To my mind a glitch is a minor bug that doesn't affect the functionality of
a program - an annoyance, for which there is a convenient workaround until
the 'glitch' can be corrected.

This seems to be a mission critical software problem.  Not, IMO, a 'glitch'.

r




From Darryl.Collins at anz.com  Mon Feb 22 20:05:27 2010
From: Darryl.Collins at anz.com (Collins, Darryl)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:05:27 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was
	RE:OT	searchinname attachments in outlook2003
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Yeah,

I think this is the crux of it. Trying to enhance MS Access for end
users so they can do stuff without having to learn or understand
programming.  Most folks I know find using Access too complicated
(probably because it requires some discipline with your data) and they
usually just end up using Excel instead.  Although even Excel seems to
be beyond some users.

Sidebar: Had a user the other day come up to me and asked "how do I
insert a table in Excel?".  I was like - how do you mean? - the whole
application IS a table.  She was thinking of it like MS Word Tables and
wanted to set up one that was 10 row x 5 cols or something - was trying
Insert > Table, and then was trying to colour them in or something so
the app 'knew' where her table was going to be.  Lordi....  Odd...
Anyway.....  I digress.

Looking at sharepoint in a similar light to Access Macros.  Much of it
is a bit like SQL Server for beginers.  I can see why some folks like it
as it can do a lot of the hack work for you, but it comes at a cost
though.

Me? I prefer to do most of the nuts and bolts work myself...

Cheers
Darryl.


 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2010 11:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE:OT
searchinname attachments in outlook2003

In the newest versions of Access, macros have been given a lot more
capabilities than they had before.  They still aren't as flexible or
powerful as code.  They're there to allow non-developers to make Access
do what they want, as best they can, so they're really end user tools.
In Access 1.0, that was all we had.  Now, I believe you can do some
nesting and other things, but frankly, I've never been interested enough
to look into it.  You can drive a nail with a rock too, but if you
already have a hammer, why bother?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT
searchinname attachments in outlook2003

Is there a real reason not to?   I've heard some macrophobic language on
the
list but don't really know if it's because macros are kind of 'old
school', not the moderne technique, or if there's a good reason not to
use them.  

I read here also that they've been kind of rehabilitated in A2K7 to the
dismay of some.

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT
searchinname attachments in outlook2003

Interesting question Rocky.

Macros serve their purpose, but if it can be done in code just as
easily, there is no real reason to use a Macro.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad? Was RE: OT search
inname attachments in outlook2003

General question on macros:   why have they fallen into disfavor?  

I had an opportunity to fill in as a teacher of an advanced Access
course and a lot of the course was on macros which I never use.  Got a
legacy
2007
app to work with last month and it was full of macros.

Macros:  good or bad?  

TIA

Rocky

 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 01:32:44 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:32:44 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: They call it a 'Glitch'
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What about this Software Contractor.  Did he have a glitch  or what?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35519143/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Max


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Sent: 23 February 2010 01:45
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: They call it a 'Glitch'


You know what gripes me?  The use of the word 'glitch' to describe the
software problems in the Toyotas:

"Experts say a glitch in Toyota's "Electronic Throttle Control System" would
be much more expensive and problematic than faulty floor mats. " 

To my mind a glitch is a minor bug that doesn't affect the functionality of
a program - an annoyance, for which there is a convenient workaround until
the 'glitch' can be corrected.

This seems to be a mission critical software problem.  Not, IMO, a 'glitch'.

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb 23 02:32:58 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:32:58 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize
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Message-ID: <006501cab462$cf82c910$6e885b30$@spb.ru>

Thank you, Darryl,

Yes, I have used Karen's "Replicator" for a while but it does make backup
copies only(?), and I what I need is a synchronization of files between two
(or more) PCs + I wanted to have a cloud copy of the most important source
files - and all that synchronization and cloud copy preferably made by one
software - SecondCopy + MySecureBackup subsciption proposed by Gustav looks
like a good solution ...

--
Shamil

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Collins, Darryl
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize



Have you have a look at Karen's power tools.  Her 'Replicator' software
app is free, fast and fairly useful I find for that sort of thing.

Regards
Darryl. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Monday, 22 February 2010 11:54 PM
To: 'Access-D'
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize

Hi All --

I'm looking for a solution to backup & synchronize my two development
PC's files and folders - and here is what I have found:

Backup&Synchronize Pro
http://www.rdtechno.com/page9.html

It looks good although I'm a bit worried that its latest version is
dated Feb 17, 2009, and that one of the links from their contact web
page http://www.rdtechno.com/contact.html, where they say that they are
located in Belgium, points to another web page
(http://www.addin4office.com/) with Chinese letters on it...

Does anybody use this software?

Do you know about similar solutions, which you use and find reliable:
basically I need synchronization between two PCs' set of files/folders
backed up into my LAN archive area as well as to a FTP archive.

Well, it looks like I have found another software, which has all the
features I'm looking for -
http://www.handybackup.net/handybackup-professional.shtml ...

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Feb 23 02:32:58 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:32:58 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize
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References: <sb831228.071@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <006601cab462$d1154ff0$733fefd0$@spb.ru>

Hi Gustav,

Thank you for your additional comments.

I currently have a NetGear Stora NAS as my home/office LAN backup + home
photos/video shared storage + outside web access (via 24x7x365 broadband
connection), and I wanted to use some of my NeatGear Stora backups
automatically synched between two development PCs: desktop and notebook +
have a backup of some sources on the cloud. After your additional comments I
suppose that:

- Second Copy should do the "trick" of local synchronization of my two
development PCs via NetGear Stora backup, and it (Second Copy) should also
be able to make backup on Amazon S3 using MySecure Backup service/interface.
Did I get it right?

NetGear Stora is also planned to keep my main disks images prepared by
Acronys...

What I'm currently missing in this scheme is a backup of my disks images and
development sources, which I can store somewhere outside of my home/office -
what would be the best/most economical solution for such a backup? Some tape
backup autonomic network device, which can make backups of NetGear Stora
files in automatic mode using predefined schedule, and I can get that backup
tapes I can keep them somewhere in a safe place? Do you have any
recommendations on such a tape NAS device? (Yes, I should have bought a
combination of NetGear Stora + tape backup NAS but I didn't :(...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil

P.S. I have got GBridge installed, and I liked it, and I think I can find a
good use of it to share some of my files between my PCs but not as the main
backup/synchronization...


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize

Hi Shamil

Your situation is a bit different so I wouldn't suggest you should mimic my
setup but the involved tools or utilities could prove useful as well as some
of the other mentioned in the thread. Also, our purpose is not to sync two
or more machines, only one-way backup and ad-hoc restore.

I understand that you have two machines at home, right? And no dedicated
server? And access to a remote FTP-server?
Then Second Copy would fit the bill. It can sync the two machines and backup
from one machine to the FTP-server.
You would need two licenses though it would work with one license only. The
site is not completely clear on this.

I would add to this some kind of system backup to, say, an external harddisk
which normally would be stored somewhere else outside your home.

GBridge would work between two local machines as well but doesn't feature
FTP backup. But it is a Novel idea and a little fun to set up. It allows for
remote access to your machines - say from a notebook at the client to your
machine at home if it is on-line.

By the way, if you install LogMeIn Free on your workstation(s) you may be
able to power them up remotely via Wake-On-Lan from a browser. A very nice
feature which I use; then I can leave my office workstation turned off for
the weekend but should I need access to it from home, I can turn it on this
way. Very clever, and no difficult configuration has to done, it works out
of the box.

Jungle Disk or MySecureBackup (the OEM version) is quite different as it
backs up to a remote store at Amazon. This, however, features a web
interface and a network drive interface as well, which means that you can
access your stored files from any machine with a browser and internet
connection, and locally access your stored files as if it was a normal
network drive with a drive letter. The fee for storing at Amazon is very low
and the storage capacity is for any practical purpose unlimited. You pay per
month only for the storage in use and a tiny amount for traffic.

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 22-02-2010 20:21 >>>
Hi Gustav et al,

Thank you for your replies/proposals.

Gustav, I wanted to try your "backup scheme":

<<<
1. Server to local backup station via Second Copy
2. Backup station to remote location via Gbridge
3. Server to the cloud via MySecureBackup
>>> 

But I'm not sure  I understand how this scheme allows to organize automatic
synchronization of two PCs' files & folders: are that GBridge's "Secure
Share" and "Auto Sync" tasks? What is the max storage capacity for GBridge
solution?

Or does SecondCopy have automatic synchronization feature, and then I have
to get two SecondCopy licenses - one for each PC?

Or it's MySecureBackup, which allows to setup automatic synchronization and
which represents theoretically unlimited storage as that one can grow as
your backup storage needs grow, and as you pay additional monthly fees for
that storage via MySecureBackup on Amazon C3?...

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize

Hi Shamil

You may wish to look up the recent thread "Once and for all time: server
backups" on dba-tech.

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 22-02-2010 13:54 >>>
Hi All --

I'm looking for a solution to backup & synchronize my two development PC's
files and folders - and here is what I have found:

Backup&Synchronize Pro
http://www.rdtechno.com/page9.html 

It looks good although I'm a bit worried that its latest version is dated
Feb 17, 2009, and that one of the links from their contact web page
http://www.rdtechno.com/contact.html, where they say that they are located
in Belgium, points to another web page (http://www.addin4office.com/) with
Chinese letters on it...

Does anybody use this software?

Do you know about similar solutions, which you use and find reliable:
basically I need synchronization between two PCs' set of files/folders
backed up into my LAN archive area as well as to a FTP archive.

Well, it looks like I have found another software, which has all the 
features I'm looking for -
http://www.handybackup.net/handybackup-professional.shtml ...

Thank you.

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Feb 23 04:54:32 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:54:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize
Message-ID: <sb83c220.082@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

With the NAS as central file storage you should sync between each workstation and the NAS, not between the workstations.
I'm not familiar with NeatGear Stora backups so I cannot give any advice on how to implement this.

Second Copy could make backup from the NAS to Amazon via the network drive of Jungle Disk, but I wouldn't. I would run Jungle Disk/MySecure Backup on the desktop and make backup directly to Amazon of your development files on the NAS.
If you can install application on the NAS - if it is Linux based - MySecure Backup is available for Linux.

Disk images I would backup to a set of external harddisks you shuffle.

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 23-02-2010 09:32 >>>
Hi Gustav,

Thank you for your additional comments.

I currently have a NetGear Stora NAS as my home/office LAN backup + home
photos/video shared storage + outside web access (via 24x7x365 broadband
connection), and I wanted to use some of my NeatGear Stora backups
automatically synched between two development PCs: desktop and notebook +
have a backup of some sources on the cloud. After your additional comments I
suppose that:

- Second Copy should do the "trick" of local synchronization of my two
development PCs via NetGear Stora backup, and it (Second Copy) should also
be able to make backup on Amazon S3 using MySecure Backup service/interface.
Did I get it right?

NetGear Stora is also planned to keep my main disks images prepared by
Acronys...

What I'm currently missing in this scheme is a backup of my disks images and
development sources, which I can store somewhere outside of my home/office -
what would be the best/most economical solution for such a backup? Some tape
backup autonomic network device, which can make backups of NetGear Stora
files in automatic mode using predefined schedule, and I can get that backup
tapes I can keep them somewhere in a safe place? Do you have any
recommendations on such a tape NAS device? (Yes, I should have bought a
combination of NetGear Stora + tape backup NAS but I didn't :(...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil

P.S. I have got GBridge installed, and I liked it, and I think I can find a
good use of it to share some of my files between my PCs but not as the main
backup/synchronization...


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize

Hi Shamil

Your situation is a bit different so I wouldn't suggest you should mimic my
setup but the involved tools or utilities could prove useful as well as some
of the other mentioned in the thread. Also, our purpose is not to sync two
or more machines, only one-way backup and ad-hoc restore.

I understand that you have two machines at home, right? And no dedicated
server? And access to a remote FTP-server?
Then Second Copy would fit the bill. It can sync the two machines and backup
from one machine to the FTP-server.
You would need two licenses though it would work with one license only. The
site is not completely clear on this.

I would add to this some kind of system backup to, say, an external harddisk
which normally would be stored somewhere else outside your home.

GBridge would work between two local machines as well but doesn't feature
FTP backup. But it is a Novel idea and a little fun to set up. It allows for
remote access to your machines - say from a notebook at the client to your
machine at home if it is on-line.

By the way, if you install LogMeIn Free on your workstation(s) you may be
able to power them up remotely via Wake-On-Lan from a browser. A very nice
feature which I use; then I can leave my office workstation turned off for
the weekend but should I need access to it from home, I can turn it on this
way. Very clever, and no difficult configuration has to done, it works out
of the box.

Jungle Disk or MySecureBackup (the OEM version) is quite different as it
backs up to a remote store at Amazon. This, however, features a web
interface and a network drive interface as well, which means that you can
access your stored files from any machine with a browser and internet
connection, and locally access your stored files as if it was a normal
network drive with a drive letter. The fee for storing at Amazon is very low
and the storage capacity is for any practical purpose unlimited. You pay per
month only for the storage in use and a tiny amount for traffic.

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 22-02-2010 20:21 >>>
Hi Gustav et al,

Thank you for your replies/proposals.

Gustav, I wanted to try your "backup scheme":

<<<
1. Server to local backup station via Second Copy
2. Backup station to remote location via Gbridge
3. Server to the cloud via MySecureBackup
>>> 

But I'm not sure  I understand how this scheme allows to organize automatic
synchronization of two PCs' files & folders: are that GBridge's "Secure
Share" and "Auto Sync" tasks? What is the max storage capacity for GBridge
solution?

Or does SecondCopy have automatic synchronization feature, and then I have
to get two SecondCopy licenses - one for each PC?

Or it's MySecureBackup, which allows to setup automatic synchronization and
which represents theoretically unlimited storage as that one can grow as
your backup storage needs grow, and as you pay additional monthly fees for
that storage via MySecureBackup on Amazon C3?...

Thank you.

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sunday OT: BackUp & Synchronize

Hi Shamil

You may wish to look up the recent thread "Once and for all time: server
backups" on dba-tech.

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 22-02-2010 13:54 >>>
Hi All --

I'm looking for a solution to backup & synchronize my two development PC's
files and folders - and here is what I have found:

Backup&Synchronize Pro
http://www.rdtechno.com/page9.html 

It looks good although I'm a bit worried that its latest version is dated
Feb 17, 2009, and that one of the links from their contact web page
http://www.rdtechno.com/contact.html, where they say that they are located
in Belgium, points to another web page (http://www.addin4office.com/) with
Chinese letters on it...

Does anybody use this software?

Do you know about similar solutions, which you use and find reliable:
basically I need synchronization between two PCs' set of files/folders
backed up into my LAN archive area as well as to a FTP archive.

Well, it looks like I have found another software, which has all the 
features I'm looking for -
http://www.handybackup.net/handybackup-professional.shtml ...

Thank you.

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From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 10:16:00 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:16:00 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
Message-ID: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com>

Also, it seems to be the consensus of the list that macros, even in 2010,
can't handle form and report events with parameters.

This means they still don't support variables.

What would make me switch to Macros:

1. Expand them into a kind of VBScript.NET, with a typeless variable system,
public functions, and try/catch error handling. The current macros would be
a subset of this language.
2. Make them first-class citizens by integrating Macros into the IDE along
with the older VBA modules.
3. Allow them to be extensible using full-strength .NET languages -- define
your own custom actions, etc.

But, without a viable alternative to the VBA code-based way of coordinating
forms, reports, queries and data, I'm just not that interested in macros.

-Ken


Stuart McLachlan:
> 1. Error handling.
> Enough said.
>
> 2.  Simplicity.
> There are many things which I need to do in code that  can't be done in
> macros, I don;t want
> to look in one place for half of my application and somewhere else for the
> other half - so I do
> it all in code.
>
> 3.  Maintainability.
> It's much easier to search through and edit code modules than it is to
> search through macros
> and the actions in them.
>


From miscellany at mvps.org  Tue Feb 23 12:39:11 2010
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:39:11 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC>

Ken,

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Kenneth Ismert" <kismert at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:16 AM
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

> This means they still don't support variables.

Access 2007 introduced TempVars.  These are very cool critters.  They can be 
created in macros or in VBA, and once created can be used similar to global 
variables or local variables in macros or VBA, but also can be used for 
example in query criteria, and in calculated fields, and then Control Source 
expressions of form or report controls.

Access 2010 goes a step further.  This is still not to the extent that you 
would no doubt desire, but it's still worth noting that "don't support 
variables" isn't quite true.

Regards
Steve 



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Feb 23 14:29:26 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:29:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: They call it a 'Glitch'
In-Reply-To: <A81F14971E574439A19DF73C0AF20EF6@HAL9005>
References: <A81F14971E574439A19DF73C0AF20EF6@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <95916CA854994B19A0D0232872A43111@XPS>


Hum...well to me a "glitch" implies simply that something didn't work as it
should, major or minor. In other words, something went wrong.

And ultimately, I think Toyota will discover that it is the electronics.  In
talking with a friend, they apparently mounted it up in (or near) the wheel
well.

Ford learned their lesson with this with their cruise control many years
ago; BAD IDEA.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: They call it a 'Glitch'


You know what gripes me?  The use of the word 'glitch' to describe the
software problems in the Toyotas:

"Experts say a glitch in Toyota's "Electronic Throttle Control System" would
be much more expensive and problematic than faulty floor mats. " 

To my mind a glitch is a minor bug that doesn't affect the functionality of
a program - an annoyance, for which there is a convenient workaround until
the 'glitch' can be corrected.

This seems to be a mission critical software problem.  Not, IMO, a 'glitch'.

r


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Feb 23 14:33:23 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:33:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC>
Message-ID: <51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS>


  I haven't looked at 2010 yet (install still sitting on the desktop) and
while macro did make progress in 2007, they are still a far cry from VBA.

  And macros still can't call anything external (Win API, DLLs, COMs, etc).

  Microsoft has a long way to go with they want to move away from VBA and
the security of macros.  At least from my view point anyway.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

Ken,

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Kenneth Ismert" <kismert at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:16 AM
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

> This means they still don't support variables.

Access 2007 introduced TempVars.  These are very cool critters.  They can be

created in macros or in VBA, and once created can be used similar to global 
variables or local variables in macros or VBA, but also can be used for 
example in query criteria, and in calculated fields, and then Control Source

expressions of form or report controls.

Access 2010 goes a step further.  This is still not to the extent that you 
would no doubt desire, but it's still worth noting that "don't support 
variables" isn't quite true.

Regards
Steve 

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From miscellany at mvps.org  Tue Feb 23 14:47:19 2010
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:47:19 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC>
	<51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS>
Message-ID: <D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC>

Jim,

I have not heard any credible suggestion of Microsoft wanting to "move away 
from VBA" for Access, nor can I imagine anyone aspiring to make macros 
emulate or replace full VBA functionality.  If there was, I would agree with 
you totally.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:33 AM

>  I haven't looked at 2010 yet (install still sitting on the desktop) and
> while macro did make progress in 2007, they are still a far cry from VBA.
>
>  And macros still can't call anything external (Win API, DLLs, COMs, etc).
>
>  Microsoft has a long way to go with they want to move away from VBA and
> the security of macros.  At least from my view point anyway.
 



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 14:51:11 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:51:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC>
	<51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS>
	<D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC>
Message-ID: <8786a4c01002231251w746fd228t151e686f12c27adb@mail.gmail.com>

They want us, as developers, to move away from Access all together. ;)

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Steve Schapel <miscellany at mvps.org> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I have not heard any credible suggestion of Microsoft wanting to "move away
> from VBA" for Access, nor can I imagine anyone aspiring to make macros
> emulate or replace full VBA functionality. ?If there was, I would agree with
> you totally.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:33 AM
>
>> ?I haven't looked at 2010 yet (install still sitting on the desktop) and
>> while macro did make progress in 2007, they are still a far cry from VBA.
>>
>> ?And macros still can't call anything external (Win API, DLLs, COMs, etc).
>>
>> ?Microsoft has a long way to go with they want to move away from VBA and
>> the security of macros. ?At least from my view point anyway.
>
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Feb 23 15:24:22 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:24:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS>
	<D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC>
Message-ID: <DE2E212A86404B9DAA7AE047FEC70B97@jislaptopdev>

...doesn't 2010 have a new dao version?
...the dead risen from the grave ado was supposed to put it in
...that would seem to indicate that vba is still alive and well.

William
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Steve Schapel" <miscellany at mvps.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:47 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

> Jim,
>
> I have not heard any credible suggestion of Microsoft wanting to "move 
> away
> from VBA" for Access, nor can I imagine anyone aspiring to make macros
> emulate or replace full VBA functionality.  If there was, I would agree 
> with
> you totally.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:33 AM
>
>>  I haven't looked at 2010 yet (install still sitting on the desktop) and
>> while macro did make progress in 2007, they are still a far cry from VBA.
>>
>>  And macros still can't call anything external (Win API, DLLs, COMs, 
>> etc).
>>
>>  Microsoft has a long way to go with they want to move away from VBA and
>> the security of macros.  At least from my view point anyway.
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Feb 23 15:29:53 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:29:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <DE2E212A86404B9DAA7AE047FEC70B97@jislaptopdev>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS>
	<D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC>
	<DE2E212A86404B9DAA7AE047FEC70B97@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E36665710@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

Alive and well and limited to Jet?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

...doesn't 2010 have a new dao version?
...the dead risen from the grave ado was supposed to put it in
...that would seem to indicate that vba is still alive and well.

William
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Steve Schapel" <miscellany at mvps.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:47 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

> Jim,
>
> I have not heard any credible suggestion of Microsoft wanting to "move 
> away
> from VBA" for Access, nor can I imagine anyone aspiring to make macros
> emulate or replace full VBA functionality.  If there was, I would agree 
> with
> you totally.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:33 AM
>
>>  I haven't looked at 2010 yet (install still sitting on the desktop) and
>> while macro did make progress in 2007, they are still a far cry from VBA.
>>
>>  And macros still can't call anything external (Win API, DLLs, COMs, 
>> etc).
>>
>>  Microsoft has a long way to go with they want to move away from VBA and
>> the security of macros.  At least from my view point anyway.
>
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Feb 23 15:35:04 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:35:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC>
	<51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS>
	<D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC>
Message-ID: <70B67CF6C0BA475CBC78138C87418DAF@XPS>

Steve,

  Microsoft has already stated that they want Access apps to use macros
rather then VBA because macros can be secured through sandbox mode where as
VBA code cannot be.

  I'll did out the reference...

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

Jim,

I have not heard any credible suggestion of Microsoft wanting to "move away 
from VBA" for Access, nor can I imagine anyone aspiring to make macros 
emulate or replace full VBA functionality.  If there was, I would agree with

you totally.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:33 AM

>  I haven't looked at 2010 yet (install still sitting on the desktop) and
> while macro did make progress in 2007, they are still a far cry from VBA.
>
>  And macros still can't call anything external (Win API, DLLs, COMs, etc).
>
>  Microsoft has a long way to go with they want to move away from VBA and
> the security of macros.  At least from my view point anyway.
 

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Feb 23 15:36:40 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:36:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <8786a4c01002231251w746fd228t151e686f12c27adb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS><D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC>
	<8786a4c01002231251w746fd228t151e686f12c27adb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96C1B8C2533243A3BB2F9DF5668015F7@jislaptopdev>

...I'm not sure that is the real world ...what I think we're seeing is that 
moving Access out from under the SQL team and into the Office team has taken 
some getting used to on both sides ...under SQL, the Access team was 
developer focused, where the Office team thinks of "developers" as Word and 
Excel geeks ...so what we saw in 2007 was the Office Ribbon, a "user" 
focused "enhancement" and to hell with the geeks/developers ...but 2010 
seems to be a return to focus on developers.

...I can dream ...I'm still buried in learning dot. Net but my cash flow is 
still Access ...I still use A2k3 but A2k10 looks interesting and clients are 
starting to ask when I'm going to upgrade them.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "David McAfee" <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:51 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

> They want us, as developers, to move away from Access all together. ;)
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Steve Schapel <miscellany at mvps.org> 
> wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> I have not heard any credible suggestion of Microsoft wanting to "move 
>> away
>> from VBA" for Access, nor can I imagine anyone aspiring to make macros
>> emulate or replace full VBA functionality.  If there was, I would agree 
>> with
>> you totally.
>>
>> Regards
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:33 AM
>>
>>>  I haven't looked at 2010 yet (install still sitting on the desktop) and
>>> while macro did make progress in 2007, they are still a far cry from 
>>> VBA.
>>>
>>>  And macros still can't call anything external (Win API, DLLs, COMs, 
>>> etc).
>>>
>>>  Microsoft has a long way to go with they want to move away from VBA and
>>> the security of macros.  At least from my view point anyway.
>>
>>
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Tue Feb 23 16:31:43 2010
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:31:43 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <70B67CF6C0BA475CBC78138C87418DAF@XPS>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC>
	<51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS>
	<D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC>
	<70B67CF6C0BA475CBC78138C87418DAF@XPS>
Message-ID: <F6EAE5AD3DA248A2957305DC86590063@stevePC>

Jim,

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:35 AM

>  Microsoft has already stated that they want Access apps to use macros
> rather then VBA because macros can be secured through sandbox mode where 
> as
> VBA code cannot be.
>
>  I'll did out the reference...

Thanks a lot, I would be very interested to see this information, so would 
very much appreciate if you could point us to it.

Regards
Steve 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 16:56:51 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:56:51 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285
In-Reply-To: <sb83c220.082@cactus.dk>
References: <sb83c220.082@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4b845d54.9615f10a.1543.0cd4@mx.google.com>

Hi Guys,

Here is an absolute mystery to me. I would appreciate you guys throwing your
intellectual prowess at it because it has me totally baffled.

On Sunday bought myself a new  PC - similar spec to my existing one.
Installed Office2k3 from same disks that I  installed on my existing pc
(Site licence).
Copied over RemoteEatBloat and Existing Test mdbs onto new PC.

On importing of FORMS using app.LoadFromText acForm, strTemp, StrSource it
throws the infamous 2285 error.

The Web shows that this is an undocumented and unknown error which has
baffled mankind since the Dawn Of Ages.

The full error message is "Microsoft Office Access can't create the output
file."  It throws this for each Form it tries to import and lo and behold in
the folder is an unknown series of files called errors.txt, errors1.txt,
errors2.txt et seq all of Zero  Lengthy and empty. One for each Form it was
importing.    I am assuming that the files it is trying to create is the
actual  Form file and the error  files were there while the MS programmers
were testing it - Just a WAG.

Now, it has rights to create any file it wants, indeed it has just created a
ton of export files and imports everything else ok, so this is not a
"system" type error.

This runs without error  on my original PC remember.  Both specs the same
and both using A3k.

Doing FileCompare using ExamDiff
(http://www.prestosoft.com/edp_examdiff.asp) tells me that BOTH the exported
text files are IDENTICAL in every way.  One will import ok (original PC) and
the other won't (New PC).  BTW the Old PC is only 6 months old, as I say,
virtually identical spec and if this was the reason then all the Posters on
the Internet would have picked up on hardware issues years ago.

So, I copied ALL exported files (the whole folders) from the new PC to the
old PC and it runs perfectly.

So, again, there  must be something WITHIN Access itself causing the 2285
error.

Any clues or guesses guys?  I know half the internet are tearing their hair
out over this (according to the posting I read anyway!).


Max





From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Feb 23 17:24:52 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:24:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <96C1B8C2533243A3BB2F9DF5668015F7@jislaptopdev>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS><D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC><8786a4c01002231251w746fd228t151e686f12c27adb@mail.gmail.com>
	<96C1B8C2533243A3BB2F9DF5668015F7@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <65EC6156928E44B19627704CA898563C@HAL9005>

One of the reports in my canned package, an mde, failed in A2K10 at a client
site with a cryptic and uninformative error.  MDB does not fail.  I told
them that my app would not run under A2K10 until it was officially released
and advised them in any event to wait until the first service pack.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

...I'm not sure that is the real world ...what I think we're seeing is that
moving Access out from under the SQL team and into the Office team has taken
some getting used to on both sides ...under SQL, the Access team was
developer focused, where the Office team thinks of "developers" as Word and
Excel geeks ...so what we saw in 2007 was the Office Ribbon, a "user" 
focused "enhancement" and to hell with the geeks/developers ...but 2010
seems to be a return to focus on developers.

...I can dream ...I'm still buried in learning dot. Net but my cash flow is
still Access ...I still use A2k3 but A2k10 looks interesting and clients are
starting to ask when I'm going to upgrade them.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "David McAfee" <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:51 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

> They want us, as developers, to move away from Access all together. ;)
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Steve Schapel <miscellany at mvps.org>
> wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> I have not heard any credible suggestion of Microsoft wanting to 
>> "move away from VBA" for Access, nor can I imagine anyone aspiring to 
>> make macros emulate or replace full VBA functionality.  If there was, 
>> I would agree with you totally.
>>
>> Regards
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:33 AM
>>
>>>  I haven't looked at 2010 yet (install still sitting on the desktop) 
>>> and while macro did make progress in 2007, they are still a far cry 
>>> from VBA.
>>>
>>>  And macros still can't call anything external (Win API, DLLs, COMs, 
>>> etc).
>>>
>>>  Microsoft has a long way to go with they want to move away from VBA 
>>> and the security of macros.  At least from my view point anyway.
>>
>>
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Feb 23 18:00:27 2010
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:00:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 question
In-Reply-To: <65EC6156928E44B19627704CA898563C@HAL9005>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS><D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC><8786a4c01002231251w746fd228t151e686f12c27adb@mail.gmail.com><96C1B8C2533243A3BB2F9DF5668015F7@jislaptopdev>
	<65EC6156928E44B19627704CA898563C@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <E6542A189D9D4639B7D4658D84B5D6F2@murphy3234aaf1>

 
Folks,

This is probably a dumb question but it is bugging me. When working in Acess
2007 I see the word "Ready" at the left end of the status bar. At some
interval of around 10 - 15 seconds something runs and changes the word to
the running process but it is too fast to read what it is. I thought this
was unique to my installation which runs on a virtual machine, but I saw the
same thing happening on another users computer which was not a virtual
machine. He had his own database open so it isn't something I did. This is
what I would expect to see if I had a timer running on a form, but no
objects are open. Any idea what this is?

Doug



From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca  Tue Feb 23 18:08:50 2010
From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:08:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285
In-Reply-To: <4b845d54.9615f10a.1543.0cd4@mx.google.com>
References: <sb83c220.082@cactus.dk>
	<4b845d54.9615f10a.1543.0cd4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP377B220DFDAF1DB52B5FA6C4410@phx.gbl>

Max,
Another WAG - did you apply any/all updates to office 2k3?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 5:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285

Hi Guys,

Here is an absolute mystery to me. I would appreciate you guys throwing your
intellectual prowess at it because it has me totally baffled.

On Sunday bought myself a new  PC - similar spec to my existing one.
Installed Office2k3 from same disks that I  installed on my existing pc
(Site licence).
Copied over RemoteEatBloat and Existing Test mdbs onto new PC.

On importing of FORMS using app.LoadFromText acForm, strTemp, StrSource it
throws the infamous 2285 error.

The Web shows that this is an undocumented and unknown error which has
baffled mankind since the Dawn Of Ages.

The full error message is "Microsoft Office Access can't create the output
file."  It throws this for each Form it tries to import and lo and behold in
the folder is an unknown series of files called errors.txt, errors1.txt,
errors2.txt et seq all of Zero  Lengthy and empty. One for each Form it was
importing.    I am assuming that the files it is trying to create is the
actual  Form file and the error  files were there while the MS programmers
were testing it - Just a WAG.

Now, it has rights to create any file it wants, indeed it has just created a
ton of export files and imports everything else ok, so this is not a
"system" type error.

This runs without error  on my original PC remember.  Both specs the same
and both using A3k.

Doing FileCompare using ExamDiff
(http://www.prestosoft.com/edp_examdiff.asp) tells me that BOTH the exported
text files are IDENTICAL in every way.  One will import ok (original PC) and
the other won't (New PC).  BTW the Old PC is only 6 months old, as I say,
virtually identical spec and if this was the reason then all the Posters on
the Internet would have picked up on hardware issues years ago.

So, I copied ALL exported files (the whole folders) from the new PC to the
old PC and it runs perfectly.

So, again, there  must be something WITHIN Access itself causing the 2285
error.

Any clues or guesses guys?  I know half the internet are tearing their hair
out over this (according to the posting I read anyway!).


Max



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Feb 23 18:14:46 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:14:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
In-Reply-To: <D04FAD6178A04A6597C0B3AFFC44A719@jislaptopdev>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com><06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev><4B796C1D.1080405@nanaimo.ark.com>	<E7CDBC868BAA4F869542F06BEDDD0C57@jislaptopdev><9F514CB31E75473AAF3A9689D9CD1CFE@jislaptopdev>	<4B7C5773.4020006@colbyconsulting.com>	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6BA@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net><017c01cab03d$a06a5fe0$0701a8c0@MSIMMSWS>	<4b7cf069.0506d00a.45f8.4e90@mx.google.com>
	<D04FAD6178A04A6597C0B3AFFC44A719@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4B846F76.1060305@colbyconsulting.com>

No time for battle.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


William Hindman wrote:
> ...I smell a jc battle coming on ...long time since jc went to war ...miss 
> those days, I do :)
> 
> William
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:46 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
> 
>> Mark,
>> I think you have that back to front....Testing for 1 will always  work for 
>> a
>> non-empty container.
>>
>> Test for 0 and if that blows up then you know it is 1  based.
>>
>> BTW, all the example for  MS Access show 1 based including those in the F1
>> help.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
>> Sent: 18 February 2010 01:57
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
>>
>>> Ummm, not true JWC, collections are 1 based.
>>>
>>> Drew
>> I love this discussion because it doesn't seem like there was any
>> CONSISTENCY applied...
>> Excel may be different than Access and different than Word, etc...
>> My solution: First test for 1 based and if the test loop blows-up on the
>> COUNT,
>> then it's 0 based.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Tue Feb 23 18:21:17 2010
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:21:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7
In-Reply-To: <E6542A189D9D4639B7D4658D84B5D6F2@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS><D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC><8786a4c01002231251w746fd228t151e686f12c27adb@mail.gmail.com><96C1B8C2533243A3BB2F9DF5668015F7@jislaptopdev><65EC6156928E44B19627704CA898563C@HAL9005>
	<E6542A189D9D4639B7D4658D84B5D6F2@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <0F55ABC55FCF4C5989702C48F88C8850@Lenny>

Hello to the list,

In prepping my new personal laptop, I have an issue that will not allow me
to complete the install of A97.
All is well until the end and then I get a message that it can't install a
ctl3D32.dll in the windows folder. The result when I start A97  I get a
message: Access was unable to initialize the Windows Registry.....

Ordinarily I would have used a virtual machine w/win XP. But I have a
particular client that needs A97 & Out2003 together for automation, and need
it now.

TIA

Bob



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Feb 23 20:12:32 2010
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:12:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285
In-Reply-To: <4b845d54.9615f10a.1543.0cd4@mx.google.com>
References: <sb83c220.082@cactus.dk>
	<4b845d54.9615f10a.1543.0cd4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <082BA32E65B647E99AB9365B6C219716@danwaters>

Hi Max,

Did you apply Jet SP8 to your PC?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285

Hi Guys,

Here is an absolute mystery to me. I would appreciate you guys throwing your
intellectual prowess at it because it has me totally baffled.

On Sunday bought myself a new  PC - similar spec to my existing one.
Installed Office2k3 from same disks that I  installed on my existing pc
(Site licence).
Copied over RemoteEatBloat and Existing Test mdbs onto new PC.

On importing of FORMS using app.LoadFromText acForm, strTemp, StrSource it
throws the infamous 2285 error.

The Web shows that this is an undocumented and unknown error which has
baffled mankind since the Dawn Of Ages.

The full error message is "Microsoft Office Access can't create the output
file."  It throws this for each Form it tries to import and lo and behold in
the folder is an unknown series of files called errors.txt, errors1.txt,
errors2.txt et seq all of Zero  Lengthy and empty. One for each Form it was
importing.    I am assuming that the files it is trying to create is the
actual  Form file and the error  files were there while the MS programmers
were testing it - Just a WAG.

Now, it has rights to create any file it wants, indeed it has just created a
ton of export files and imports everything else ok, so this is not a
"system" type error.

This runs without error  on my original PC remember.  Both specs the same
and both using A3k.

Doing FileCompare using ExamDiff
(http://www.prestosoft.com/edp_examdiff.asp) tells me that BOTH the exported
text files are IDENTICAL in every way.  One will import ok (original PC) and
the other won't (New PC).  BTW the Old PC is only 6 months old, as I say,
virtually identical spec and if this was the reason then all the Posters on
the Internet would have picked up on hardware issues years ago.

So, I copied ALL exported files (the whole folders) from the new PC to the
old PC and it runs perfectly.

So, again, there  must be something WITHIN Access itself causing the 2285
error.

Any clues or guesses guys?  I know half the internet are tearing their hair
out over this (according to the posting I read anyway!).


Max



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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Feb 23 20:16:26 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:16:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
In-Reply-To: <4B846F76.1060305@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4B78273F.8040202@nanaimo.ark.com><06B7BAB82C1443A2AAF5811DDEBF5A41@jislaptopdev><4B796C1D.1080405@nanaimo.ark.com>	<E7CDBC868BAA4F869542F06BEDDD0C57@jislaptopdev><9F514CB31E75473AAF3A9689D9CD1CFE@jislaptopdev>	<4B7C5773.4020006@colbyconsulting.com>	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B20307D6BA@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net><017c01cab03d$a06a5fe0$0701a8c0@MSIMMSWS>	<4b7cf069.0506d00a.45f8.4e90@mx.google.com><D04FAD6178A04A6597C0B3AFFC44A719@jislaptopdev>
	<4B846F76.1060305@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <52BBCB1D61DE450093D9A5835917B5AE@jislaptopdev>

...uh huh ...dotage setting in, eh ;)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 7:14 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...collections guru?

> No time for battle.
>
> ;)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> William Hindman wrote:
>> ...I smell a jc battle coming on ...long time since jc went to war 
>> ...miss
>> those days, I do :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:46 AM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
>>
>>> Mark,
>>> I think you have that back to front....Testing for 1 will always  work 
>>> for
>>> a
>>> non-empty container.
>>>
>>> Test for 0 and if that blows up then you know it is 1  based.
>>>
>>> BTW, all the example for  MS Access show 1 based including those in the 
>>> F1
>>> help.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
>>> Sent: 18 February 2010 01:57
>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...collections guru?
>>>
>>>> Ummm, not true JWC, collections are 1 based.
>>>>
>>>> Drew
>>> I love this discussion because it doesn't seem like there was any
>>> CONSISTENCY applied...
>>> Excel may be different than Access and different than Word, etc...
>>> My solution: First test for 1 based and if the test loop blows-up on the
>>> COUNT,
>>> then it's 0 based.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Feb 23 21:19:30 2010
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:19:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7
In-Reply-To: <0F55ABC55FCF4C5989702C48F88C8850@Lenny>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS><D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC><8786a4c01002231251w746fd228t151e686f12c27adb@mail.gmail.com><96C1B8C2533243A3BB2F9DF5668015F7@jislaptopdev><65EC6156928E44B19627704CA898563C@HAL9005><E6542A189D9D4639B7D4658D84B5D6F2@murphy3234aaf1>
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Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2039D9FF3@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Don't worry about the install.  For running Access 97, right click on
it, and select 'Run as Administrator'.  Doing that once will let you
keep running it when you need it, but if you open another version of
Access, you'll need to run it as administrator again.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7

Hello to the list,

In prepping my new personal laptop, I have an issue that will not allow
me
to complete the install of A97.
All is well until the end and then I get a message that it can't install
a
ctl3D32.dll in the windows folder. The result when I start A97  I get a
message: Access was unable to initialize the Windows Registry.....

Ordinarily I would have used a virtual machine w/win XP. But I have a
particular client that needs A97 & Out2003 together for automation, and
need
it now.

TIA

Bob

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Feb 24 07:38:57 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:38:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <F6EAE5AD3DA248A2957305DC86590063@stevePC>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC>
	<51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS>
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Steve,

  Found it:

Get started with Access programming
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HA012142131033.aspx


Read through the section "Should I use macros or should I use VBA code?"

And the statements from that section that I had in mind when I made my
comment:

"To help ensure the security of your database, you should try to use macros
whenever possible and resort to VBA programming only for operations that
cannot be accomplished by using macro actions. Furthermore, you should try
to use only macro actions that don't require granting trusted status to the
database in order to run. Limiting the use of macro actions in this way
allows your users to be confident that the database does not contain any
programming that could harm their data or other files on their computers.

Partly to encourage the wider use of macros, Office Access 2007 contains
many new macro actions that allow you to build more powerful macros than you
can build by using earlier versions of Access. For example, you can now
create and use global temporary variables by using macro actions, and you
can handle errors more gracefully by using new error-handling macro actions.
In earlier versions of Access, these types of features are available only by
using VBA. In addition, in Access 2007, you can embed a macro directly into
the event property of an object or control. An embedded macro becomes a part
of the object or control and stays with the object or control if it is moved
or copied. In earlier versions of Access, macros must be maintained as
separate objects, which sometimes makes your database more difficult to
maintain."

 Whether they actually could get rid of VBA I would find highly doubtful,
but the fact that they are encouraging the use of macro's over VBA and are
trying to move away from the use of VBA is beyond doubt. 

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

Jim,

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:35 AM

>  Microsoft has already stated that they want Access apps to use macros
> rather then VBA because macros can be secured through sandbox mode where 
> as
> VBA code cannot be.
>
>  I'll did out the reference...

Thanks a lot, I would be very interested to see this information, so would 
very much appreciate if you could point us to it.

Regards
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Feb 24 08:53:34 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:53:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <AF5686B66ADD4CAA8F55A99D62D45B82@XPS>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS><D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC><70B67CF6C0BA475CBC78138C87418DAF@XPS><F6EAE5AD3DA248A2957305DC86590063@stevePC>
	<AF5686B66ADD4CAA8F55A99D62D45B82@XPS>
Message-ID: <5508F2C285BD46B3BF5253AE0A2DD1DA@jislaptopdev>

...that HAD to be the "Office" side speaking ...lets hope the Access side is 
back in charge for 2010.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:38 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

> Steve,
>
>  Found it:
>
> Get started with Access programming
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HA012142131033.aspx
>
>
> Read through the section "Should I use macros or should I use VBA code?"
>
> And the statements from that section that I had in mind when I made my
> comment:
>
> "To help ensure the security of your database, you should try to use 
> macros
> whenever possible and resort to VBA programming only for operations that
> cannot be accomplished by using macro actions. Furthermore, you should try
> to use only macro actions that don't require granting trusted status to 
> the
> database in order to run. Limiting the use of macro actions in this way
> allows your users to be confident that the database does not contain any
> programming that could harm their data or other files on their computers.
>
> Partly to encourage the wider use of macros, Office Access 2007 contains
> many new macro actions that allow you to build more powerful macros than 
> you
> can build by using earlier versions of Access. For example, you can now
> create and use global temporary variables by using macro actions, and you
> can handle errors more gracefully by using new error-handling macro 
> actions.
> In earlier versions of Access, these types of features are available only 
> by
> using VBA. In addition, in Access 2007, you can embed a macro directly 
> into
> the event property of an object or control. An embedded macro becomes a 
> part
> of the object or control and stays with the object or control if it is 
> moved
> or copied. In earlier versions of Access, macros must be maintained as
> separate objects, which sometimes makes your database more difficult to
> maintain."
>
> Whether they actually could get rid of VBA I would find highly doubtful,
> but the fact that they are encouraging the use of macro's over VBA and are
> trying to move away from the use of VBA is beyond doubt.
>
> Jim.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 5:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
>
> Jim,
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:35 AM
>
>>  Microsoft has already stated that they want Access apps to use macros
>> rather then VBA because macros can be secured through sandbox mode where
>> as
>> VBA code cannot be.
>>
>>  I'll did out the reference...
>
> Thanks a lot, I would be very interested to see this information, so would
> very much appreciate if you could point us to it.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Feb 24 09:42:16 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:42:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Where are my freakin' keyboard shortcuts??!!
Message-ID: <B1D02E69C891474488A8730FE5F9F614@HAL9005>

Dear List:

Under duress (they're paying for it) I am modifying a legacy 2007 app.  My
first foray into the wonderful world of 2007 form and report design.
Where's Waldo were amateurs compared to this treasure hunt for old familiar
features and functions.  But I digress...

I'm big on keyboard shortcuts - it makes my design work so much more
efficient not to have to grab the mouse and maneuver to two or three places.


One of my favorites in 2003 is Atl-F-C - closes the current form or report
or query - whatever's on top.  In 2007 when I do that it closes the app.
:(((  So I have to mouse over to the x in the upper right hand corner of the
form or report.

Another one in 2003 was Alt-W-(pick a number) to switch between windows with
different objects open.  Gone.  I don't even know how to switch between open
forms I may have open in design view without minimizing each until the one I
want is on top.  

I'm sure there are ways to do all this stuff.

Is there a site with the 2007 keyboard shortcuts?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 10:05:36 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:05:36 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win 7
Message-ID: <cda8f54e1002240805t41c0b30fmef684e6d3114667d@mail.gmail.com>

Slightly OT but I have an application running very slowly.
Task Manager used to have the option to increase its priority but under Win7
this has gone.
Anybody know how to get it back so that I can go home tonight??

Thanks

Max


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Feb 24 10:05:40 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:05:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7
In-Reply-To: <0F55ABC55FCF4C5989702C48F88C8850@Lenny>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS><D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC><8786a4c01002231251w746fd228t151e686f12c27adb@mail.gmail.com><96C1B8C2533243A3BB2F9DF5668015F7@jislaptopdev><65EC6156928E44B19627704CA898563C@HAL9005>
	<E6542A189D9D4639B7D4658D84B5D6F2@murphy3234aaf1>
	<0F55ABC55FCF4C5989702C48F88C8850@Lenny>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E36665984@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

Are you running 64 bit Windows?  Ctl3d32 has to be installed in the system32 directory And Access 97 needs the wrkgadm.exe copied there as well. 

I found something here:  
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/230771-45-windows-64bit-office-ctl3d32

that might be useful, although it applies to 64-bit Win XP.  See if it helps.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7

Hello to the list,

In prepping my new personal laptop, I have an issue that will not allow me
to complete the install of A97.
All is well until the end and then I get a message that it can't install a
ctl3D32.dll in the windows folder. The result when I start A97  I get a
message: Access was unable to initialize the Windows Registry.....

Ordinarily I would have used a virtual machine w/win XP. But I have a
particular client that needs A97 & Out2003 together for automation, and need
it now.

TIA

Bob

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 11:23:25 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:23:25 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7
In-Reply-To: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E36665984@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS><D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC><8786a4c01002231251w746fd228t151e686f12c27adb@mail.gmail.com><96C1B8C2533243A3BB2F9DF5668015F7@jislaptopdev><65EC6156928E44B19627704CA898563C@HAL9005>	<E6542A189D9D4639B7D4658D84B5D6F2@murphy3234aaf1>	<0F55ABC55FCF4C5989702C48F88C8850@Lenny>
	<AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E36665984@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <4b856090.1701d00a.5095.2ecf@mx.google.com>

Wow! How did you know that?

Impressive!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 24 February 2010 16:06
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7

Are you running 64 bit Windows?  Ctl3d32 has to be installed in the system32
directory And Access 97 needs the wrkgadm.exe copied there as well. 

I found something here:  
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/230771-45-windows-64bit-office-ctl3d32

that might be useful, although it applies to 64-bit Win XP.  See if it
helps.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7

Hello to the list,

In prepping my new personal laptop, I have an issue that will not allow me
to complete the install of A97.
All is well until the end and then I get a message that it can't install a
ctl3D32.dll in the windows folder. The result when I start A97  I get a
message: Access was unable to initialize the Windows Registry.....

Ordinarily I would have used a virtual machine w/win XP. But I have a
particular client that needs A97 & Out2003 together for automation, and need
it now.

TIA

Bob

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From robert at servicexp.com  Wed Feb 24 11:26:48 2010
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:26:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win 7
In-Reply-To: <cda8f54e1002240805t41c0b30fmef684e6d3114667d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cda8f54e1002240805t41c0b30fmef684e6d3114667d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201cab576$8f6c2c80$ae448580$@com>

My version of Win 7 Pro still has the ability to change the priority..
(Right click Function)

WBR
Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win 7

Slightly OT but I have an application running very slowly.
Task Manager used to have the option to increase its priority but under Win7
this has gone.
Anybody know how to get it back so that I can go home tonight??

Thanks

Max
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Feb 24 11:38:42 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:38:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where are my freakin' keyboard shortcuts??!!
In-Reply-To: <B1D02E69C891474488A8730FE5F9F614@HAL9005>
References: <B1D02E69C891474488A8730FE5F9F614@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <788E190DB22245F69D8788877F099ECA@jislaptopdev>

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HP100913941033.aspx

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:42 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Where are my freakin' keyboard shortcuts??!!

> Dear List:
>
> Under duress (they're paying for it) I am modifying a legacy 2007 app.  My
> first foray into the wonderful world of 2007 form and report design.
> Where's Waldo were amateurs compared to this treasure hunt for old 
> familiar
> features and functions.  But I digress...
>
> I'm big on keyboard shortcuts - it makes my design work so much more
> efficient not to have to grab the mouse and maneuver to two or three 
> places.
>
>
> One of my favorites in 2003 is Atl-F-C - closes the current form or report
> or query - whatever's on top.  In 2007 when I do that it closes the app.
> :(((  So I have to mouse over to the x in the upper right hand corner of 
> the
> form or report.
>
> Another one in 2003 was Alt-W-(pick a number) to switch between windows 
> with
> different objects open.  Gone.  I don't even know how to switch between 
> open
> forms I may have open in design view without minimizing each until the one 
> I
> want is on top.
>
> I'm sure there are ways to do all this stuff.
>
> Is there a site with the 2007 keyboard shortcuts?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
>
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 11:52:44 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max (MGA))
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:52:44 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285
In-Reply-To: <082BA32E65B647E99AB9365B6C219716@danwaters>
References: <sb83c220.082@cactus.dk>	<4b845d54.9615f10a.1543.0cd4@mx.google.com>
	<082BA32E65B647E99AB9365B6C219716@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4b85676f.1c07d00a.0dd5.ffffa2ad@mx.google.com>

Hi Dan,

I cannot seem to find one for Win 7.  The download page gives XP, Server
2003, Win 95/98/NT, Win 2000, Millenium,    

Nothing for Win 7.  

Is there a way  I can look under the hood and see what I have?

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 24 February 2010 02:13
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285

Hi Max,

Did you apply Jet SP8 to your PC?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285

Hi Guys,

Here is an absolute mystery to me. I would appreciate you guys throwing your
intellectual prowess at it because it has me totally baffled.

On Sunday bought myself a new  PC - similar spec to my existing one.
Installed Office2k3 from same disks that I  installed on my existing pc
(Site licence).
Copied over RemoteEatBloat and Existing Test mdbs onto new PC.

On importing of FORMS using app.LoadFromText acForm, strTemp, StrSource it
throws the infamous 2285 error.

The Web shows that this is an undocumented and unknown error which has
baffled mankind since the Dawn Of Ages.

The full error message is "Microsoft Office Access can't create the output
file."  It throws this for each Form it tries to import and lo and behold in
the folder is an unknown series of files called errors.txt, errors1.txt,
errors2.txt et seq all of Zero  Lengthy and empty. One for each Form it was
importing.    I am assuming that the files it is trying to create is the
actual  Form file and the error  files were there while the MS programmers
were testing it - Just a WAG.

Now, it has rights to create any file it wants, indeed it has just created a
ton of export files and imports everything else ok, so this is not a
"system" type error.

This runs without error  on my original PC remember.  Both specs the same
and both using A3k.

Doing FileCompare using ExamDiff
(http://www.prestosoft.com/edp_examdiff.asp) tells me that BOTH the exported
text files are IDENTICAL in every way.  One will import ok (original PC) and
the other won't (New PC).  BTW the Old PC is only 6 months old, as I say,
virtually identical spec and if this was the reason then all the Posters on
the Internet would have picked up on hardware issues years ago.

So, I copied ALL exported files (the whole folders) from the new PC to the
old PC and it runs perfectly.

So, again, there  must be something WITHIN Access itself causing the 2285
error.

Any clues or guesses guys?  I know half the internet are tearing their hair
out over this (according to the posting I read anyway!).


Max



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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 11:53:47 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:53:47 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP377B220DFDAF1DB52B5FA6C4410@phx.gbl>
References: <sb83c220.082@cactus.dk>	<4b845d54.9615f10a.1543.0cd4@mx.google.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP377B220DFDAF1DB52B5FA6C4410@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4b8567ad.1701d00a.50fa.ffffa2ab@mx.google.com>

Hi Jack,
Windows update says I have but....

I don't know how to confirm  that.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and Pat
Sent: 24 February 2010 00:09
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285

Max,
Another WAG - did you apply any/all updates to office 2k3?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 5:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285

Hi Guys,

Here is an absolute mystery to me. I would appreciate you guys throwing your
intellectual prowess at it because it has me totally baffled.

On Sunday bought myself a new  PC - similar spec to my existing one.
Installed Office2k3 from same disks that I  installed on my existing pc
(Site licence).
Copied over RemoteEatBloat and Existing Test mdbs onto new PC.

On importing of FORMS using app.LoadFromText acForm, strTemp, StrSource it
throws the infamous 2285 error.

The Web shows that this is an undocumented and unknown error which has
baffled mankind since the Dawn Of Ages.

The full error message is "Microsoft Office Access can't create the output
file."  It throws this for each Form it tries to import and lo and behold in
the folder is an unknown series of files called errors.txt, errors1.txt,
errors2.txt et seq all of Zero  Lengthy and empty. One for each Form it was
importing.    I am assuming that the files it is trying to create is the
actual  Form file and the error  files were there while the MS programmers
were testing it - Just a WAG.

Now, it has rights to create any file it wants, indeed it has just created a
ton of export files and imports everything else ok, so this is not a
"system" type error.

This runs without error  on my original PC remember.  Both specs the same
and both using A3k.

Doing FileCompare using ExamDiff
(http://www.prestosoft.com/edp_examdiff.asp) tells me that BOTH the exported
text files are IDENTICAL in every way.  One will import ok (original PC) and
the other won't (New PC).  BTW the Old PC is only 6 months old, as I say,
virtually identical spec and if this was the reason then all the Posters on
the Internet would have picked up on hardware issues years ago.

So, I copied ALL exported files (the whole folders) from the new PC to the
old PC and it runs perfectly.

So, again, there  must be something WITHIN Access itself causing the 2285
error.

Any clues or guesses guys?  I know half the internet are tearing their hair
out over this (according to the posting I read anyway!).


Max



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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 11:57:09 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:57:09 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win 7
In-Reply-To: <001201cab576$8f6c2c80$ae448580$@com>
References: <cda8f54e1002240805t41c0b30fmef684e6d3114667d@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201cab576$8f6c2c80$ae448580$@com>
Message-ID: <4b856877.0702d00a.08ca.ffffaec9@mx.google.com>

Aha!  Thank you Robert.

On my system it was Under "Processes" and then r/click Image Name item in
that column.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: 24 February 2010 17:27
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Win 7

My version of Win 7 Pro still has the ability to change the priority..
(Right click Function)

WBR
Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Win 7

Slightly OT but I have an application running very slowly.
Task Manager used to have the option to increase its priority but under Win7
this has gone.
Anybody know how to get it back so that I can go home tonight??

Thanks

Max
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Wed Feb 24 11:59:43 2010
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:59:43 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7
In-Reply-To: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E36665984@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS><D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC><8786a4c01002231251w746fd228t151e686f12c27adb@mail.gmail.com><96C1B8C2533243A3BB2F9DF5668015F7@jislaptopdev><65EC6156928E44B19627704CA898563C@HAL9005><E6542A189D9D4639B7D4658D84B5D6F2@murphy3234aaf1><0F55ABC55FCF4C5989702C48F88C8850@Lenny>
	<AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E36665984@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <1318340F01A24C6DBBABAA1BA17209F9@Lenny>

Yes 64 bit win 7, and that is the problem now. I have somehow hosed the mdw
I created when installing A03 and still can't make one in A97.
?Is the .mdw that A03 creates usable in A97?
I can get it from another machine.

Thanks to all who responded.

I will be abit slow in following up now, I am going on the road.

Bob

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7

Are you running 64 bit Windows?  Ctl3d32 has to be installed in the system32
directory And Access 97 needs the wrkgadm.exe copied there as well. 

I found something here:  
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/230771-45-windows-64bit-office-ctl3d32

that might be useful, although it applies to 64-bit Win XP.  See if it
helps.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7

Hello to the list,

In prepping my new personal laptop, I have an issue that will not allow me
to complete the install of A97.
All is well until the end and then I get a message that it can't install a
ctl3D32.dll in the windows folder. The result when I start A97  I get a
message: Access was unable to initialize the Windows Registry.....

Ordinarily I would have used a virtual machine w/win XP. But I have a
particular client that needs A97 & Out2003 together for automation, and need
it now.

TIA

Bob

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 12:12:04 2010
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:12:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Where are my freakin' keyboard shortcuts??!!
In-Reply-To: <B1D02E69C891474488A8730FE5F9F614@HAL9005>
References: <B1D02E69C891474488A8730FE5F9F614@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <8786a4c01002241012q58cad92du31203fb1ab8cf162@mail.gmail.com>

I use Ctrl W to close current form/window/query... it is still
supported in A2007.

I'm with you on the Alt+W and a number. I really miss that!

Ctrl+F6 is the one we are forced to use now.

David McAfee

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> Under duress (they're paying for it) I am modifying a legacy 2007 app. ?My
> first foray into the wonderful world of 2007 form and report design.
> Where's Waldo were amateurs compared to this treasure hunt for old familiar
> features and functions. ?But I digress...
>
> I'm big on keyboard shortcuts - it makes my design work so much more
> efficient not to have to grab the mouse and maneuver to two or three places.
>
>
> One of my favorites in 2003 is Atl-F-C - closes the current form or report
> or query - whatever's on top. ?In 2007 when I do that it closes the app.
> :((( ?So I have to mouse over to the x in the upper right hand corner of the
> form or report.
>
> Another one in 2003 was Alt-W-(pick a number) to switch between windows with
> different objects open. ?Gone. ?I don't even know how to switch between open
> forms I may have open in design view without minimizing each until the one I
> want is on top.
>
> I'm sure there are ways to do all this stuff.
>
> Is there a site with the 2007 keyboard shortcuts?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
> Beach Access Software
>
> 858-259-4334
>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
>
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Feb 24 12:17:10 2010
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:17:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285
Message-ID: <sb857b58.008@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

As the SP8 package is dated Oct. 2003, I guess there is no such thing for Win 7.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 24-02-2010 18:52 >>>
Hi Dan,

I cannot seem to find one for Win 7.  The download page gives XP, Server
2003, Win 95/98/NT, Win 2000, Millenium,    

Nothing for Win 7.  

Is there a way  I can look under the hood and see what I have?

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 24 February 2010 02:13
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285

Hi Max,

Did you apply Jet SP8 to your PC?

Dan





From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 12:31:07 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:31:07 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285
In-Reply-To: <sb857b58.008@cactus.dk>
References: <sb857b58.008@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4b85706d.1818d00a.0eba.22e8@mx.google.com>

Thanks for that Gustav,

That means it isn't the answer to Error 2285.

I also did a hash CRC check to see if there was any binary difference -
nope!

So it must be something WITHIN Access itself.  But what?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 24 February 2010 18:17
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285

Hi Max

As the SP8 package is dated Oct. 2003, I guess there is no such thing for
Win 7.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 24-02-2010 18:52 >>>
Hi Dan,

I cannot seem to find one for Win 7.  The download page gives XP, Server
2003, Win 95/98/NT, Win 2000, Millenium,    

Nothing for Win 7.  

Is there a way  I can look under the hood and see what I have?

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 24 February 2010 02:13
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285

Hi Max,

Did you apply Jet SP8 to your PC?

Dan



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From miscellany at mvps.org  Wed Feb 24 12:47:00 2010
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 07:47:00 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <AF5686B66ADD4CAA8F55A99D62D45B82@XPS>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS><D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC><70B67CF6C0BA475CBC78138C87418DAF@XPS><F6EAE5AD3DA248A2957305DC86590063@stevePC>
	<AF5686B66ADD4CAA8F55A99D62D45B82@XPS>
Message-ID: <sig.567137ae93.sig.6671f86719.D479B7DE856144FA9E4686C603528C7A@stevePC>

Hi Jim,

Thanks a lot for digging that up.  I had not seen that emphasis before.

Basically, I think the focus in this article on "you should try to avoid 
including programming tools that require the user to specifically grant 
trusted status to the database" is just plain silly.  What's the big deal 
about creating a Trusted Location on the user's computer?  Only has to be 
done once, and has never caused a problem for me.  In my book, that is not a 
reason to base your programming decisions on.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:38 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

> Steve,
>
>  Found it:
>
> Get started with Access programming
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HA012142131033.aspx
>
>
> Read through the section "Should I use macros or should I use VBA code?"
>
> And the statements from that section that I had in mind when I made my
> comment:
>
> "To help ensure the security of your database, you should try to use 
> macros
> whenever possible and resort to VBA programming only for operations that
> cannot be accomplished by using macro actions. Furthermore, you should try
> to use only macro actions that don't require granting trusted status to 
> the
> database in order to run. Limiting the use of macro actions in this way
> allows your users to be confident that the database does not contain any
> programming that could harm their data or other files on their computers.
>
> Partly to encourage the wider use of macros, Office Access 2007 contains
> many new macro actions that allow you to build more powerful macros than 
> you
> can build by using earlier versions of Access. For example, you can now
> create and use global temporary variables by using macro actions, and you
> can handle errors more gracefully by using new error-handling macro 
> actions.
> In earlier versions of Access, these types of features are available only 
> by
> using VBA. In addition, in Access 2007, you can embed a macro directly 
> into
> the event property of an object or control. An embedded macro becomes a 
> part
> of the object or control and stays with the object or control if it is 
> moved
> or copied. In earlier versions of Access, macros must be maintained as
> separate objects, which sometimes makes your database more difficult to
> maintain."
>
> Whether they actually could get rid of VBA I would find highly doubtful,
> but the fact that they are encouraging the use of macro's over VBA and are
> trying to move away from the use of VBA is beyond doubt.
>
> Jim.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 5:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
>
> Jim,
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:35 AM
>
>>  Microsoft has already stated that they want Access apps to use macros
>> rather then VBA because macros can be secured through sandbox mode where
>> as
>> VBA code cannot be.
>>
>>  I'll did out the reference...
>
> Thanks a lot, I would be very interested to see this information, so would
> very much appreciate if you could point us to it.
>
> Regards
> Steve
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 13:02:49 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:02:49 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Great Mystery of 2010 - Error 2285
In-Reply-To: <sig.567137ae93.sig.6671f86719.D479B7DE856144FA9E4686C603528C7A@stevePC>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS><D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC><70B67CF6C0BA475CBC78138C87418DAF@XPS><F6EAE5AD3DA248A2957305DC86590063@stevePC>	<AF5686B66ADD4CAA8F55A99D62D45B82@XPS>
	<sig.567137ae93.sig.6671f86719.D479B7DE856144FA9E4686C603528C7A@stevePC>
Message-ID: <4b8577de.0508d00a.68b1.ffff8cbc@mx.google.com>

Steve Schapel:

Steve,
Any chance  of you getting you "knowledgeable" mates at MS to have a look at
the Error 2285 please?

Why it works on one machine and not another is really strange and it only
happens on LoadFromText where Forms are concerned.

Thanks

Max





From martinreid at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 13:34:50 2010
From: martinreid at gmail.com (Martin)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:34:50 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 question
In-Reply-To: <E6542A189D9D4639B7D4658D84B5D6F2@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC>
	<51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS>
	<D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC>
	<8786a4c01002231251w746fd228t151e686f12c27adb@mail.gmail.com>
	<96C1B8C2533243A3BB2F9DF5668015F7@jislaptopdev>
	<65EC6156928E44B19627704CA898563C@HAL9005>
	<E6542A189D9D4639B7D4658D84B5D6F2@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <7d60f23a1002241134l2fadb841nf57570a3854ad33a@mail.gmail.com>

I think it means access is ready for action and changes when you actually do
something. I think (<:

Martin

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:

>
> Folks,
>
> This is probably a dumb question but it is bugging me. When working in
> Acess
> 2007 I see the word "Ready" at the left end of the status bar. At some
> interval of around 10 - 15 seconds something runs and changes the word to
> the running process but it is too fast to read what it is. I thought this
> was unique to my installation which runs on a virtual machine, but I saw
> the
> same thing happening on another users computer which was not a virtual
> machine. He had his own database open so it isn't something I did. This is
> what I would expect to see if I had a timer running on a form, but no
> objects are open. Any idea what this is?
>
> Doug
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From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 15:18:19 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:18:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
Message-ID: <7c7841601002241318x1eea1357q1196856430d65f48@mail.gmail.com>

All:

>
> Steve Schapel:
>
>> (Ken) This means they still don't support variables.
>>
>
> Access 2007 introduced TempVars.  These are very cool critters...
>

Thanks for the info, Steve. This feature could be enough to move me away
from VBA for fast Access app development, where I limit myself only to
global VBA functions which act as global variables. I'll look into that.


> Jim Dettman:
> ... And macros still can't call anything external (Win API, DLLs, COMs,
> etc)...
>

I would like to see the ability to extend macros by adding custom actions
written in .NET. That would allow the external functionality you want while
staying on the 'safe' macro/.NET side.


> Steve Schapel:
> I have not heard any credible suggestion of Microsoft wanting to "move away
> from VBA" for Access...


I think Microsoft would desperately like to move away from VBA, but can't.
The security concerns are valid, but the installed base of VBA code is so
huge that they will have to support it well past their original sunset
plans.

What they haven't done, at least before 2010, is provide a compelling
alternative to VBA to coax users to make the move. Access 2010 web apps may
finally be the inducement that will prompt many developers to make the
switch.

-Ken


From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com  Wed Feb 24 16:54:25 2010
From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:54:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where are my freakin' keyboard shortcuts??!!
In-Reply-To: <B1D02E69C891474488A8730FE5F9F614@HAL9005>
References: <B1D02E69C891474488A8730FE5F9F614@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <C248ABF1E3794C34A9598FF0B5A0C641@DCYN3T81>

Ctrl + F4 should also always close the active window/form.

Regards,
Bob Gajewski 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Where are my freakin' keyboard shortcuts??!!

Dear List:

Under duress (they're paying for it) I am modifying a legacy 2007 app.  My
first foray into the wonderful world of 2007 form and report design.
Where's Waldo were amateurs compared to this treasure hunt for old familiar
features and functions.  But I digress...

I'm big on keyboard shortcuts - it makes my design work so much more
efficient not to have to grab the mouse and maneuver to two or three places.


One of my favorites in 2003 is Atl-F-C - closes the current form or report
or query - whatever's on top.  In 2007 when I do that it closes the app.
:(((  So I have to mouse over to the x in the upper right hand corner of the
form or report.

Another one in 2003 was Alt-W-(pick a number) to switch between windows with
different objects open.  Gone.  I don't even know how to switch between open
forms I may have open in design view without minimizing each until the one I
want is on top.  

I'm sure there are ways to do all this stuff.

Is there a site with the 2007 keyboard shortcuts?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 




From miscellany at mvps.org  Wed Feb 24 17:14:02 2010
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:14:02 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <7c7841601002241318x1eea1357q1196856430d65f48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841601002241318x1eea1357q1196856430d65f48@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <sig.467122c329.sig.96713ff244.78E1EA6CB325495AA35C400DD15B9F8F@stevePC>

Ken,

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Kenneth Ismert" <kismert at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 10:18 AM

> I think Microsoft would desperately like to move away from VBA, but can't.
> The security concerns are valid, but the installed base of VBA code is so
> huge that they will have to support it well past their original sunset
> plans.
>
> What they haven't done, at least before 2010, is provide a compelling
> alternative to VBA to coax users to make the move. Access 2010 web apps 
> may
> finally be the inducement that will prompt many developers to make the
> switch.

I don't quite see it like that.  Web Apps provide a good reason to become 
proficient with macros - but only for those who want to build Access Web 
Apps.  However, Access will continue to be a platform for desktop apps, and 
there will continue to be many, many Access developers continuing to use VBA 
to work in this way.  In spite of the rather maverick article that Jim 
pointed us to, I see a continued commitment to VBA from Microsoft.  We have 
a 64 bit version of VBA coming, and they are not going there if it's on it's 
last legs.  Also, have a look at 
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/msdn/en-us/office/media/Atlas/Default.html#/VBA_Video.xaml

A colleague has also just pointed out to me a current discussion on another 
forum, so if you are interested you might flick over to 
http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.797593.8

Regards
Steve 



From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Wed Feb 24 17:17:50 2010
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:17:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <sig.567137ae93.sig.6671f86719.D479B7DE856144FA9E4686C603528C7A@stevePC>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS><D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC><70B67CF6C0BA475CBC78138C87418DAF@XPS><F6EAE5AD3DA248A2957305DC86590063@stevePC><AF5686B66ADD4CAA8F55A99D62D45B82@XPS>
	<sig.567137ae93.sig.6671f86719.D479B7DE856144FA9E4686C603528C7A@stevePC>
Message-ID: <A7ACEFF66A4044F2AC607599DB025C5C@abpc>

>What's the big deal about creating a Trusted Location on the user's
>computer?  Only has to be done once, and has never caused a problem for me.
>In my book, that is not a reason to base your programming decisions on.

Couldn't agree more!
As for security: does anyone know why MS is considering VBA an issue especially in Access? And more disturbing: why does MS consider Access itself a security issue even without VBA?
Why would VBA be more risky in Access than in all other Office applications? And why do we in Office 2003 get this annoying security warning for an Access db which is not holding any macros or VBA code?
Is Access per se a threat? To whom? MS?

Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Steve Schapel
Sendt: 24. februar 2010 19:47
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

Hi Jim,

Thanks a lot for digging that up.  I had not seen that emphasis before.

Basically, I think the focus in this article on "you should try to avoid 
including programming tools that require the user to specifically grant 
trusted status to the database" is just plain silly.  What's the big deal 
about creating a Trusted Location on the user's computer?  Only has to be 
done once, and has never caused a problem for me.  In my book, that is not a 
reason to base your programming decisions on.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:38 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

> Steve,
>
>  Found it:
>
> Get started with Access programming
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HA012142131033.aspx
>
>
> Read through the section "Should I use macros or should I use VBA code?"
>
> And the statements from that section that I had in mind when I made my
> comment:
>
> "To help ensure the security of your database, you should try to use 
> macros
> whenever possible and resort to VBA programming only for operations that
> cannot be accomplished by using macro actions. Furthermore, you should try
> to use only macro actions that don't require granting trusted status to 
> the
> database in order to run. Limiting the use of macro actions in this way
> allows your users to be confident that the database does not contain any
> programming that could harm their data or other files on their computers.
>
> Partly to encourage the wider use of macros, Office Access 2007 contains
> many new macro actions that allow you to build more powerful macros than 
> you
> can build by using earlier versions of Access. For example, you can now
> create and use global temporary variables by using macro actions, and you
> can handle errors more gracefully by using new error-handling macro 
> actions.
> In earlier versions of Access, these types of features are available only 
> by
> using VBA. In addition, in Access 2007, you can embed a macro directly 
> into
> the event property of an object or control. An embedded macro becomes a 
> part
> of the object or control and stays with the object or control if it is 
> moved
> or copied. In earlier versions of Access, macros must be maintained as
> separate objects, which sometimes makes your database more difficult to
> maintain."
>
> Whether they actually could get rid of VBA I would find highly doubtful,
> but the fact that they are encouraging the use of macro's over VBA and are
> trying to move away from the use of VBA is beyond doubt.
>
> Jim.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 5:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
>
> Jim,
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:35 AM
>
>>  Microsoft has already stated that they want Access apps to use macros
>> rather then VBA because macros can be secured through sandbox mode where
>> as
>> VBA code cannot be.
>>
>>  I'll did out the reference...
>
> Thanks a lot, I would be very interested to see this information, so would
> very much appreciate if you could point us to it.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Feb 24 17:25:53 2010
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:25:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <sig.467122c329.sig.96713ff244.78E1EA6CB325495AA35C400DD15B9F8F@stevePC>
References: <7c7841601002241318x1eea1357q1196856430d65f48@mail.gmail.com>,
	<sig.467122c329.sig.96713ff244.78E1EA6CB325495AA35C400DD15B9F8F@stevePC>
Message-ID: <4B85B581.4594.AD3019E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

>From that discussion:

"I should note for office 2010 we are getting a 64 bit version of VBA. This includes support for 
LongLong, and we now finally have a real pointer data type. "

Pointers at last!!!

2010 is starting to look promising :-)

-- 
Stuart


On 25 Feb 2010 at 12:14, Steve Schapel wrote:

> A colleague has also just pointed out to me a current discussion on another 
> forum, so if you are interested you might flick over to 
> http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.797593.8
> 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Feb 24 18:28:45 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:28:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <4B85B581.4594.AD3019E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <7c7841601002241318x1eea1357q1196856430d65f48@mail.gmail.com>,
	<sig.467122c329.sig.96713ff244.78E1EA6CB325495AA35C400DD15B9F8F@stevePC>
	<4B85B581.4594.AD3019E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <993889405DAB4DF9BD70F16F85E8F2B2@jislaptopdev>

...from my perspective, the problem with 64 bit vba/Access is that almost 
all current ocx's are 32 bit and will not work in 64 bit Access

...this is a major consideration when upgrading clients to 64 bit Win 7 
...Office 2010 comes with both 32 and 64 bit versions on the same disk ...my 
apps make extensive use of the treeview/listview control and so far there 
appears to be no 64 bit support ...not to mention that such things as Lebans 
RTF control will likely never be upgraded ...so initial installs of win 7/64 
will still require the 32 bit A2010 with a later reinstall of the 64 bit 
version when controls become available ...how problematic such an upgrade 
will be remains to be seen.

William
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:25 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

>>From that discussion:
>
> "I should note for office 2010 we are getting a 64 bit version of VBA. 
> This includes support for
> LongLong, and we now finally have a real pointer data type. "
>
> Pointers at last!!!
>
> 2010 is starting to look promising :-)
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
>
> On 25 Feb 2010 at 12:14, Steve Schapel wrote:
>
>> A colleague has also just pointed out to me a current discussion on 
>> another
>> forum, so if you are interested you might flick over to
>> http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.797593.8
>>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Feb 25 07:19:15 2010
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:19:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <A7ACEFF66A4044F2AC607599DB025C5C@abpc>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS><D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC><70B67CF6C0BA475CBC78138C87418DAF@XPS><F6EAE5AD3DA248A2957305DC86590063@stevePC><AF5686B66ADD4CAA8F55A99D62D45B82@XPS>	<sig.567137ae93.sig.6671f86719.D479B7DE856144FA9E4686C603528C7A@stevePC>
	<A7ACEFF66A4044F2AC607599DB025C5C@abpc>
Message-ID: <4B8678D3.7080304@colbyconsulting.com>

 > Why would VBA be more risky in Access than in all other Office applications?

LOL, because there is a DEVELOPER COMMUNITY for it, where no such thing exists for the other office 
apps.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Asger Blond wrote:
>> What's the big deal about creating a Trusted Location on the user's
>> computer?  Only has to be done once, and has never caused a problem for me.
>> In my book, that is not a reason to base your programming decisions on.
> 
> Couldn't agree more!
> As for security: does anyone know why MS is considering VBA an issue especially in Access? And more disturbing: why does MS consider Access itself a security issue even without VBA?
> Why would VBA be more risky in Access than in all other Office applications? And why do we in Office 2003 get this annoying security warning for an Access db which is not holding any macros or VBA code?
> Is Access per se a threat? To whom? MS?
> 
> Asger
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Steve Schapel
> Sendt: 24. februar 2010 19:47
> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> Thanks a lot for digging that up.  I had not seen that emphasis before.
> 
> Basically, I think the focus in this article on "you should try to avoid 
> including programming tools that require the user to specifically grant 
> trusted status to the database" is just plain silly.  What's the big deal 
> about creating a Trusted Location on the user's computer?  Only has to be 
> done once, and has never caused a problem for me.  In my book, that is not a 
> reason to base your programming decisions on.
> 
> Regards
> Steve
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:38 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
> 
>> Steve,
>>
>>  Found it:
>>
>> Get started with Access programming
>> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HA012142131033.aspx
>>
>>
>> Read through the section "Should I use macros or should I use VBA code?"
>>
>> And the statements from that section that I had in mind when I made my
>> comment:
>>
>> "To help ensure the security of your database, you should try to use 
>> macros
>> whenever possible and resort to VBA programming only for operations that
>> cannot be accomplished by using macro actions. Furthermore, you should try
>> to use only macro actions that don't require granting trusted status to 
>> the
>> database in order to run. Limiting the use of macro actions in this way
>> allows your users to be confident that the database does not contain any
>> programming that could harm their data or other files on their computers.
>>
>> Partly to encourage the wider use of macros, Office Access 2007 contains
>> many new macro actions that allow you to build more powerful macros than 
>> you
>> can build by using earlier versions of Access. For example, you can now
>> create and use global temporary variables by using macro actions, and you
>> can handle errors more gracefully by using new error-handling macro 
>> actions.
>> In earlier versions of Access, these types of features are available only 
>> by
>> using VBA. In addition, in Access 2007, you can embed a macro directly 
>> into
>> the event property of an object or control. An embedded macro becomes a 
>> part
>> of the object or control and stays with the object or control if it is 
>> moved
>> or copied. In earlier versions of Access, macros must be maintained as
>> separate objects, which sometimes makes your database more difficult to
>> maintain."
>>
>> Whether they actually could get rid of VBA I would find highly doubtful,
>> but the fact that they are encouraging the use of macro's over VBA and are
>> trying to move away from the use of VBA is beyond doubt.
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 5:32 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:35 AM
>>
>>>  Microsoft has already stated that they want Access apps to use macros
>>> rather then VBA because macros can be secured through sandbox mode where
>>> as
>>> VBA code cannot be.
>>>
>>>  I'll did out the reference...
>> Thanks a lot, I would be very interested to see this information, so would
>> very much appreciate if you could point us to it.
>>
>> Regards
>> Steve
>>
>> -- 
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 09:10:33 2010
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:10:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] interesting question on blog regarding Access 2007
Message-ID: <3C5EA93241134E9F8EE0AA8F1536BE97@SusanOne>

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/tr-out-loud/?p=1670

Some of you might want to show your expertise. :)

Susan  H. 


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Feb 25 10:20:00 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:20:00 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7
In-Reply-To: <4b856090.1701d00a.5095.2ecf@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS><D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC><8786a4c01002231251w746fd228t151e686f12c27adb@mail.gmail.com><96C1B8C2533243A3BB2F9DF5668015F7@jislaptopdev><65EC6156928E44B19627704CA898563C@HAL9005>
	<E6542A189D9D4639B7D4658D84B5D6F2@murphy3234aaf1>
	<0F55ABC55FCF4C5989702C48F88C8850@Lenny>
	<AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E36665984@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
	<4b856090.1701d00a.5095.2ecf@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E36665ED6@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

I take no credit.  Bing found it for me.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7

Wow! How did you know that?

Impressive!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 24 February 2010 16:06
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7

Are you running 64 bit Windows?  Ctl3d32 has to be installed in the system32
directory And Access 97 needs the wrkgadm.exe copied there as well. 

I found something here:  
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/230771-45-windows-64bit-office-ctl3d32

that might be useful, although it applies to 64-bit Win XP.  See if it
helps.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7

Hello to the list,

In prepping my new personal laptop, I have an issue that will not allow me
to complete the install of A97.
All is well until the end and then I get a message that it can't install a
ctl3D32.dll in the windows folder. The result when I start A97  I get a
message: Access was unable to initialize the Windows Registry.....

Ordinarily I would have used a virtual machine w/win XP. But I have a
particular client that needs A97 & Out2003 together for automation, and need
it now.

TIA

Bob

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Feb 25 10:23:25 2010
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:23:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7
In-Reply-To: <1318340F01A24C6DBBABAA1BA17209F9@Lenny>
References: <7c7841601002230816n279341c4mcc780063f9ca93e9@mail.gmail.com><A48B1992AA294944A4F6C48612787C56@stevePC><51DCE3636A94420CB79336BA8F6CEBB4@XPS><D7EE147F10AB41188A845CCF21F3E0C6@stevePC><8786a4c01002231251w746fd228t151e686f12c27adb@mail.gmail.com><96C1B8C2533243A3BB2F9DF5668015F7@jislaptopdev><65EC6156928E44B19627704CA898563C@HAL9005><E6542A189D9D4639B7D4658D84B5D6F2@murphy3234aaf1><0F55ABC55FCF4C5989702C48F88C8850@Lenny>
	<AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E36665984@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>
	<1318340F01A24C6DBBABAA1BA17209F9@Lenny>
Message-ID: <AA01CCF72D3E4246A8AF6ECCE4E013A91E366E03AE@34093-MBX-C14.mex07a.mlsrvr.com>

The article said it was looking for the wrkgadm.exe, not the mdw, and I don't know whether the 2003 version of the mdw works in 97.  I think so because the file format didn't change until 2007.  I guess you'll have to try it, but I don't know if it will work.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7

Yes 64 bit win 7, and that is the problem now. I have somehow hosed the mdw
I created when installing A03 and still can't make one in A97.
?Is the .mdw that A03 creates usable in A97?
I can get it from another machine.

Thanks to all who responded.

I will be abit slow in following up now, I am going on the road.

Bob

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7

Are you running 64 bit Windows?  Ctl3d32 has to be installed in the system32
directory And Access 97 needs the wrkgadm.exe copied there as well. 

I found something here:  
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/230771-45-windows-64bit-office-ctl3d32

that might be useful, although it applies to 64-bit Win XP.  See if it
helps.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on Win 7

Hello to the list,

In prepping my new personal laptop, I have an issue that will not allow me
to complete the install of A97.
All is well until the end and then I get a message that it can't install a
ctl3D32.dll in the windows folder. The result when I start A97  I get a
message: Access was unable to initialize the Windows Registry.....

Ordinarily I would have used a virtual machine w/win XP. But I have a
particular client that needs A97 & Out2003 together for automation, and need
it now.

TIA

Bob

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Feb 25 11:16:45 2010
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:16:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <sig.467122c329.sig.96713ff244.78E1EA6CB325495AA35C400DD15B9F8F@stevePC>
References: <7c7841601002241318x1eea1357q1196856430d65f48@mail.gmail.com>
	<sig.467122c329.sig.96713ff244.78E1EA6CB325495AA35C400DD15B9F8F@stevePC>
Message-ID: <00e501cab63e$4f03d800$0701a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

Very Interesting.
However, mention VBA to anyone in corporate IT,
and they look at you like a vampire would when seeing sunlight.
http://www1.phillyburbs.com/vamp/defenses.shtml

Of course, if anyone here has had any recent experience with large corporate
IT departments,
 you would say they all BEHAVE like vampires. They'll suck the blood out of
anyone who encroaches upon their  turf.





From Darryl.Collins at anz.com  Thu Feb 25 19:01:21 2010
From: Darryl.Collins at anz.com (Collins, Darryl)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:01:21 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <00e501cab63e$4f03d800$0701a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
Message-ID: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E8101688F09@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>


Hehehe... Yeah... 6 months in and I am *still* waiting to get
permissions to use SQL Server.  Of course I made the right decision by
using an Access BE on the LAN, which I got up and running on day 1.  It
is a bit sluggish compared to SQL server, but hey, at least it is
something....

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, 26 February 2010 4:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

Very Interesting.
However, mention VBA to anyone in corporate IT, and they look at you
like a vampire would when seeing sunlight.
http://www1.phillyburbs.com/vamp/defenses.shtml

Of course, if anyone here has had any recent experience with large
corporate IT departments,  you would say they all BEHAVE like vampires.
They'll suck the blood out of anyone who encroaches upon their  turf.



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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Fri Feb 26 08:11:43 2010
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:11:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Records Returned by Query
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1917503E99@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a query that may or may not return any records. I need to count the number of records returned if there are some or 0 if there are no records. I have tried the following with no success..

RA Inj Count: IIf(IsNull(Count(Nz([PID]))),0,Count(Nz([PID])))
RA Inj Count: Nz(Count(Nz([PID])),0)


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 08:33:37 2010
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:33:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Records Returned by Query
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1917503E99@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1917503E99@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd1002260633q34ca53c9o515d58953cd5c5c5@mail.gmail.com>

Since this is an Access query as opposed to a SQL Server query, it seems
you're doing way too much work. Why not just do this:

x = Nz(DCount("*", "yourQueryName", "yourCriteriaIfAny"))

Then if x = 0, do something or if not, do something else.

hth,
Arthur

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I have a query that may or may not return any records. I need to count the
> number of records returned if there are some or 0 if there are no records. I
> have tried the following with no success..
>
> RA Inj Count: IIf(IsNull(Count(Nz([PID]))),0,Count(Nz([PID])))
> RA Inj Count: Nz(Count(Nz([PID])),0)
>


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Fri Feb 26 09:46:24 2010
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:46:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Records Returned by Query
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd1002260633q34ca53c9o515d58953cd5c5c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1917503E99@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<29f585dd1002260633q34ca53c9o515d58953cd5c5c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1917503EBC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

Thanks.
Works great.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Count of Records Returned by Query

Since this is an Access query as opposed to a SQL Server query, it seems
you're doing way too much work. Why not just do this:

x = Nz(DCount("*", "yourQueryName", "yourCriteriaIfAny"))

Then if x = 0, do something or if not, do something else.

hth,
Arthur

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I have a query that may or may not return any records. I need to count the
> number of records returned if there are some or 0 if there are no records. I
> have tried the following with no success..
>
> RA Inj Count: IIf(IsNull(Count(Nz([PID]))),0,Count(Nz([PID])))
> RA Inj Count: Nz(Count(Nz([PID])),0)
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 11:12:31 2010
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:12:31 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Sql password
Message-ID: <4b88013e.15185e0a.43f1.1260@mx.google.com>

Hi
I have been downloading some stuff from microsoft for web development.
Dotnetnuke, joomla, acquia, etc.
 
It installed SQL 2008 and Visual Studio 2008 but I dont know what the admin
username or password is.
 
I have tried root and sa but no good.
 
Any idea of how I even get them open so that I can try to set them up.
Without them I cannot install the other stuff.
 
Sorry to be vague but I am out of my depth a bit here...
 
thanks
 
Max
 


From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 12:08:08 2010
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:08:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
Message-ID: <7c7841601002261008h52854d91p14ade0ee3576b8b4@mail.gmail.com>

All:

Steve Schapel:
> Basically, I think the focus in this article on "you should try to avoid
> including programming tools that require the user to specifically grant
> trusted status to the database" is just plain silly.  What's the big deal
> about creating a Trusted Location on the user's computer?  Only has to be
> done once, and has never caused a problem for me.  In my book, that is not a
> reason to base your programming decisions on.
>

I think they are trying to outline 'best practice': use the minimum
permissions possible that still allow the app to function. A Trusted
Location is an acceptable work-around.

 Ken Ismert: I think Microsoft would desperately like to move away from VBA,
>> but can't.
>> The security concerns are valid, but the installed base of VBA code is so
>> huge that they will have to support it well past their original sunset
>> plans...
>>
> Steve Schapel: I don't quite see it like that ... I see a continued
> commitment to VBA from Microsoft.  We have a 64 bit version of VBA coming
> ...
>

I think they support VBA because they must. Despite the 64-bit version, VBA
will certainly never be the first-class citizen that it once was.

Besides, there is a more insidious way of forcing the community to move away
from VBA: starving it of COM components. For example, CDO is not being
delivered on Vista or Windows 7. Sure, you can download and install it for
now, but that is more water you have to carry to make your 'old-style' app
work. You can be sure in the future that Microsoft will drop support for all
but a very vital core of COM components.

There is no new COM component development happening. There are also no
guarantees that your critical COM component will work in a 64-bit
environment. This means that your ability to deliver competitive apps in VBA
will erode in the future.


> Asger Blond:
> As for security: does anyone know why MS is considering VBA an issue
> especially in Access? And more disturbing: why does MS consider Access
> itself a security issue even without VBA?
> Why would VBA be more risky in Access than in all other Office
> applications? And why do we in Office 2003 get this annoying security
> warning for an Access db which is not holding any macros or VBA code?
> Is Access per se a threat? To whom? MS?
>

VBA was never the security threat. COM is. A major source of Microsoft's
security headaches in the last decade centered around ActiveX (COM)
components and unmanaged code. Because VBA is inextricably bound to COM, it
inherits COM's security issues.

Access, because it is a database, is simply more vulnerable because of what
it is. But the same kinds of security problems afflict web apps that use
databases, so these are more generic concerns, not specific to Access.


> Stuart:
> "I should note for office 2010 we are getting a 64 bit version of VBA. This
> includes support for
> LongLong, and we now finally have a real pointer data type. "
> Pointers at last!!!
> 2010 is starting to look promising :-)
>

I too, am liking 2010. When I get the chance, I will happily use the new VBA
features to maintain old applications.

But, I am currently favoring a very rapid, stripped down approach to new
Access development, which make macros an attractive option. I would think
long and hard before committing to a new commercial application written in
VBA under Access.

-Ken


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Feb 26 14:43:26 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:43:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <993889405DAB4DF9BD70F16F85E8F2B2@jislaptopdev>
References: <7c7841601002241318x1eea1357q1196856430d65f48@mail.gmail.com>,
	<sig.467122c329.sig.96713ff244.78E1EA6CB325495AA35C400DD15B9F8F@stevePC>
	<4B85B581.4594.AD3019E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<993889405DAB4DF9BD70F16F85E8F2B2@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <39AE27F925B44D9A9B09D39AB7CC12E9@XPS>

William,

<<how problematic such an upgrade 
will be remains to be seen.>>

  I've also heard that Microsoft has no plans for a 64 bit version of JET,
so that may further cloud the issue.

  As it stands right now, I'm seeing quite an uptick in performance related
problems with JET running under 64 bit OS's. Think it will just turn out to
be bugs, rather then a Microsoft "that's the way it is by design" thing.

  So far though, no one has any real answers.  Microsoft has released one
hot fix for Windows 2008 Server 64 bit, but nothing on the Windows 7 side
yet.  And that hot fix doesn't seem to solve everyone's problems.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

...from my perspective, the problem with 64 bit vba/Access is that almost 
all current ocx's are 32 bit and will not work in 64 bit Access

...this is a major consideration when upgrading clients to 64 bit Win 7 
...Office 2010 comes with both 32 and 64 bit versions on the same disk ...my

apps make extensive use of the treeview/listview control and so far there 
appears to be no 64 bit support ...not to mention that such things as Lebans

RTF control will likely never be upgraded ...so initial installs of win 7/64

will still require the 32 bit A2010 with a later reinstall of the 64 bit 
version when controls become available ...how problematic such an upgrade 
will be remains to be seen.

William
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:25 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

>>From that discussion:
>
> "I should note for office 2010 we are getting a 64 bit version of VBA. 
> This includes support for
> LongLong, and we now finally have a real pointer data type. "
>
> Pointers at last!!!
>
> 2010 is starting to look promising :-)
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
>
> On 25 Feb 2010 at 12:14, Steve Schapel wrote:
>
>> A colleague has also just pointed out to me a current discussion on 
>> another
>> forum, so if you are interested you might flick over to
>> http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.797593.8
>>
>
> -- 
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> 

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From miscellany at mvps.org  Fri Feb 26 16:49:33 2010
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:49:33 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <39AE27F925B44D9A9B09D39AB7CC12E9@XPS>
References: <7c7841601002241318x1eea1357q1196856430d65f48@mail.gmail.com>
	<sig.467122c329.sig.96713ff244.78E1EA6CB325495AA35C400DD15B9F8F@stevePC>
	<4B85B581.4594.AD3019E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<993889405DAB4DF9BD70F16F85E8F2B2@jislaptopdev>
	<39AE27F925B44D9A9B09D39AB7CC12E9@XPS>
Message-ID: <EDD9AECCB31F4EBD8C41B80F7CA6BF82@stevePC>

Jim,

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:43 AM

>  I've also heard that Microsoft has no plans for a 64 bit version of JET,

You've heard wrong. :-)

Regards
Steve 


From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Feb 26 16:52:29 2010
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:52:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 64 bit Jet? /was Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <39AE27F925B44D9A9B09D39AB7CC12E9@XPS>
References: <7c7841601002241318x1eea1357q1196856430d65f48@mail.gmail.com>,
	<sig.467122c329.sig.96713ff244.78E1EA6CB325495AA35C400DD15B9F8F@stevePC><4B85B581.4594.AD3019E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><993889405DAB4DF9BD70F16F85E8F2B2@jislaptopdev>
	<39AE27F925B44D9A9B09D39AB7CC12E9@XPS>
Message-ID: <B30DC01F35F5402992A3A8A5367807CF@jislaptopdev>

...anyone with more info on this? ...how can they release a 64 bit Access 
2010 w/o a corresponding 64 bit Jet engine?
...the ocx issues would be small potatoes compared to this.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 3:43 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

> William,
>
> <<how problematic such an upgrade
> will be remains to be seen.>>
>
>  I've also heard that Microsoft has no plans for a 64 bit version of JET,
> so that may further cloud the issue.
>
>  As it stands right now, I'm seeing quite an uptick in performance related
> problems with JET running under 64 bit OS's. Think it will just turn out 
> to
> be bugs, rather then a Microsoft "that's the way it is by design" thing.
>
>  So far though, no one has any real answers.  Microsoft has released one
> hot fix for Windows 2008 Server 64 bit, but nothing on the Windows 7 side
> yet.  And that hot fix doesn't seem to solve everyone's problems.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:29 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
>
> ...from my perspective, the problem with 64 bit vba/Access is that almost
> all current ocx's are 32 bit and will not work in 64 bit Access
>
> ...this is a major consideration when upgrading clients to 64 bit Win 7
> ...Office 2010 comes with both 32 and 64 bit versions on the same disk 
> ...my
>
> apps make extensive use of the treeview/listview control and so far there
> appears to be no 64 bit support ...not to mention that such things as 
> Lebans
>
> RTF control will likely never be upgraded ...so initial installs of win 
> 7/64
>
> will still require the 32 bit A2010 with a later reinstall of the 64 bit
> version when controls become available ...how problematic such an upgrade
> will be remains to be seen.
>
> William
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:25 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
>
>>>From that discussion:
>>
>> "I should note for office 2010 we are getting a 64 bit version of VBA.
>> This includes support for
>> LongLong, and we now finally have a real pointer data type. "
>>
>> Pointers at last!!!
>>
>> 2010 is starting to look promising :-)
>>
>> -- 
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On 25 Feb 2010 at 12:14, Steve Schapel wrote:
>>
>>> A colleague has also just pointed out to me a current discussion on
>>> another
>>> forum, so if you are interested you might flick over to
>>> http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.797593.8
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
> -- 
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>
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> 



From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Feb 26 17:57:45 2010
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:57:45 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] 64 bit Jet? /was Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <B30DC01F35F5402992A3A8A5367807CF@jislaptopdev>
References: <7c7841601002241318x1eea1357q1196856430d65f48@mail.gmail.com>,
	<sig.467122c329.sig.96713ff244.78E1EA6CB325495AA35C400DD15B9F8F@stevePC><4B85B581.4594.AD3019E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><993889405DAB4DF9BD70F16F85E8F2B2@jislaptopdev><39AE27F925B44D9A9B09D39AB7CC12E9@XPS>
	<B30DC01F35F5402992A3A8A5367807CF@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <003801cab73f$7f238f60$6a01a8c0@nant>


William --

I guess they made 64bit wrapper/shim DLLs around 32bit JET, I can be
wrong...

BTW, I have got already met with that issue - one of my customers did
purchase 64bit PC, and they use .NET programs with MS Access backends -
solution for .NET is to use CorFlags.exe from .NET/Windows SDK to set .NET
app running in 32bit mode then it will use 32bit JET DLLs on 64bit system...

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] 64 bit Jet? /was Using macros - good thing or bad?

...anyone with more info on this? ...how can they release a 64 bit Access 
2010 w/o a corresponding 64 bit Jet engine?
...the ocx issues would be small potatoes compared to this.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 3:43 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

> William,
>
> <<how problematic such an upgrade
> will be remains to be seen.>>
>
>  I've also heard that Microsoft has no plans for a 64 bit version of JET,
> so that may further cloud the issue.
>
>  As it stands right now, I'm seeing quite an uptick in performance related
> problems with JET running under 64 bit OS's. Think it will just turn out 
> to
> be bugs, rather then a Microsoft "that's the way it is by design" thing.
>
>  So far though, no one has any real answers.  Microsoft has released one
> hot fix for Windows 2008 Server 64 bit, but nothing on the Windows 7 side
> yet.  And that hot fix doesn't seem to solve everyone's problems.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:29 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
>
> ...from my perspective, the problem with 64 bit vba/Access is that almost
> all current ocx's are 32 bit and will not work in 64 bit Access
>
> ...this is a major consideration when upgrading clients to 64 bit Win 7
> ...Office 2010 comes with both 32 and 64 bit versions on the same disk 
> ...my
>
> apps make extensive use of the treeview/listview control and so far there
> appears to be no 64 bit support ...not to mention that such things as 
> Lebans
>
> RTF control will likely never be upgraded ...so initial installs of win 
> 7/64
>
> will still require the 32 bit A2010 with a later reinstall of the 64 bit
> version when controls become available ...how problematic such an upgrade
> will be remains to be seen.
>
> William
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:25 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
>
>>>From that discussion:
>>
>> "I should note for office 2010 we are getting a 64 bit version of VBA.
>> This includes support for
>> LongLong, and we now finally have a real pointer data type. "
>>
>> Pointers at last!!!
>>
>> 2010 is starting to look promising :-)
>>
>> -- 
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On 25 Feb 2010 at 12:14, Steve Schapel wrote:
>>
>>> A colleague has also just pointed out to me a current discussion on
>>> another
>>> forum, so if you are interested you might flick over to
>>> http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.797593.8
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
> -- 
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>
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Sat Feb 27 02:09:42 2010
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:09:42 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Records Returned by Query
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd1002260633q34ca53c9o515d58953cd5c5c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1917503E99@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<29f585dd1002260633q34ca53c9o515d58953cd5c5c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8FFB06AD77AD49239807C0506D6AACF0@stevePC>

Arthur,

Sorry, not meaning to be picky.  But "it seems you're doing way too much 
work".  ;-)

There is no purpose served by your Nz() function here.  DCount will never 
return Null.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:33 AM

> Since this is an Access query as opposed to a SQL Server query, it seems
> you're doing way too much work. Why not just do this:
>
> x = Nz(DCount("*", "yourQueryName", "yourCriteriaIfAny"))
 



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Feb 27 10:40:01 2010
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:40:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <EDD9AECCB31F4EBD8C41B80F7CA6BF82@stevePC>
References: <7c7841601002241318x1eea1357q1196856430d65f48@mail.gmail.com>
	<sig.467122c329.sig.96713ff244.78E1EA6CB325495AA35C400DD15B9F8F@stevePC>
	<4B85B581.4594.AD3019E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<993889405DAB4DF9BD70F16F85E8F2B2@jislaptopdev>
	<39AE27F925B44D9A9B09D39AB7CC12E9@XPS>,
	<EDD9AECCB31F4EBD8C41B80F7CA6BF82@stevePC>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082954680087CF1@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Steve

are you saying there will be a 64 bit version of JET?

Martin


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________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel [miscellany at mvps.org]
Sent: 26 February 2010 22:49
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

Jim,

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:43 AM

>  I've also heard that Microsoft has no plans for a 64 bit version of JET,

You've heard wrong. :-)

Regards
Steve
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Feb 27 10:57:32 2010
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:57:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082954680087CF1@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <7c7841601002241318x1eea1357q1196856430d65f48@mail.gmail.com><sig.467122c329.sig.96713ff244.78E1EA6CB325495AA35C400DD15B9F8F@stevePC><4B85B581.4594.AD3019E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><993889405DAB4DF9BD70F16F85E8F2B2@jislaptopdev><39AE27F925B44D9A9B09D39AB7CC12E9@XPS>,
	<EDD9AECCB31F4EBD8C41B80F7CA6BF82@stevePC>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082954680087CF1@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <5D999831A822440D84AC9CF265AA32F0@HAL9005>

And another question - when will there be Office 2010 in the Action Pack?

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

Steve

are you saying there will be a 64 bit version of JET?

Martin


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
[miscellany at mvps.org]
Sent: 26 February 2010 22:49
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

Jim,

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From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:43 AM

>  I've also heard that Microsoft has no plans for a 64 bit version of 
> JET,

You've heard wrong. :-)

Regards
Steve
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Feb 27 13:45:46 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:45:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <EDD9AECCB31F4EBD8C41B80F7CA6BF82@stevePC>
References: <7c7841601002241318x1eea1357q1196856430d65f48@mail.gmail.com>
	<sig.467122c329.sig.96713ff244.78E1EA6CB325495AA35C400DD15B9F8F@stevePC>
	<4B85B581.4594.AD3019E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<993889405DAB4DF9BD70F16F85E8F2B2@jislaptopdev>
	<39AE27F925B44D9A9B09D39AB7CC12E9@XPS>
	<EDD9AECCB31F4EBD8C41B80F7CA6BF82@stevePC>
Message-ID: <BC36E0D46D594C99A44B2C74D1B1ED0F@XPS>

Steve,

  I there is a 64bit version of ACE in the works, but nothing is planned for
JET that I am aware.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 5:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

Jim,

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:43 AM

>  I've also heard that Microsoft has no plans for a 64 bit version of JET,

You've heard wrong. :-)

Regards
Steve 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Feb 27 13:50:45 2010
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:50:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <BC36E0D46D594C99A44B2C74D1B1ED0F@XPS>
References: <7c7841601002241318x1eea1357q1196856430d65f48@mail.gmail.com>
	<sig.467122c329.sig.96713ff244.78E1EA6CB325495AA35C400DD15B9F8F@stevePC>
	<4B85B581.4594.AD3019E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<993889405DAB4DF9BD70F16F85E8F2B2@jislaptopdev>
	<39AE27F925B44D9A9B09D39AB7CC12E9@XPS>
	<EDD9AECCB31F4EBD8C41B80F7CA6BF82@stevePC>
	<BC36E0D46D594C99A44B2C74D1B1ED0F@XPS>
Message-ID: <7240323E78624C25A654F46CD51FF943@XPS>


  and just to be clear, that may be unclear.  Everyone keeps referring to
JET and ACE as being one in the same.  All I've heard at this point is that
there would be no "native 64 bit version of JET".

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 2:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

Steve,

  I there is a 64bit version of ACE in the works, but nothing is planned for
JET that I am aware.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 5:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

Jim,

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:43 AM

>  I've also heard that Microsoft has no plans for a 64 bit version of JET,

You've heard wrong. :-)

Regards
Steve 
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Sat Feb 27 14:11:26 2010
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:11:26 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
In-Reply-To: <7240323E78624C25A654F46CD51FF943@XPS>
References: <7c7841601002241318x1eea1357q1196856430d65f48@mail.gmail.com>
	<sig.467122c329.sig.96713ff244.78E1EA6CB325495AA35C400DD15B9F8F@stevePC>
	<4B85B581.4594.AD3019E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<993889405DAB4DF9BD70F16F85E8F2B2@jislaptopdev>
	<39AE27F925B44D9A9B09D39AB7CC12E9@XPS>
	<EDD9AECCB31F4EBD8C41B80F7CA6BF82@stevePC>
	<BC36E0D46D594C99A44B2C74D1B1ED0F@XPS>
	<7240323E78624C25A654F46CD51FF943@XPS>
Message-ID: <935A88BEA5F3438BABD65D53CFDBABA1@stevePC>

Jim, and all,

Do you ever wish there was an 'Undo' button on a mailing list?

I am very sorry about my comment about 64 bit JET.  I had posted my comment 
hastily and in a state of confusion, and I was wrong.  Apologies, for both 
my tone and my incorrectness, and please pretend that comment did not exist.

I have no knowledge either way about any plans for a 64 bit JET version.

Regards
Steve


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From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 8:50 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?

>
>  and just to be clear, that may be unclear.  Everyone keeps referring to
> JET and ACE as being one in the same.  All I've heard at this point is 
> that
> there would be no "native 64 bit version of JET".
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 2:46 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
>
> Steve,
>
>  I there is a 64bit version of ACE in the works, but nothing is planned 
> for
> JET that I am aware.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 5:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using macros - good thing or bad?
>
> Jim,
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:43 AM
>
>>  I've also heard that Microsoft has no plans for a 64 bit version of JET,
>
> You've heard wrong. :-)
>
 



From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Sun Feb 28 19:05:08 2010
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:05:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Records Returned by Query
In-Reply-To: <8FFB06AD77AD49239807C0506D6AACF0@stevePC>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C1917503E99@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<29f585dd1002260633q34ca53c9o515d58953cd5c5c5@mail.gmail.com>,
	<8FFB06AD77AD49239807C0506D6AACF0@stevePC>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C19175992D0@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

Thanks for the lesson on DCount. I am always glad to learn something new.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel [miscellany at mvps.org]
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 2:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Count of Records Returned by Query

Arthur,

Sorry, not meaning to be picky.  But "it seems you're doing way too much
work".  ;-)

There is no purpose served by your Nz() function here.  DCount will never
return Null.

Regards
Steve


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From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:33 AM

> Since this is an Access query as opposed to a SQL Server query, it seems
> you're doing way too much work. Why not just do this:
>
> x = Nz(DCount("*", "yourQueryName", "yourCriteriaIfAny"))


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