[AccessD] The Famous Bound/Unbound Debate

Boogie Loogie boogieloogie at gmail.com
Sat Sep 25 17:14:19 CDT 2010


<delurk>

I use .net and SQL Server / SQL Server Express for all database apps. I
develop Windows Mobile apps and then process the .sdf on the desktop. I
would have stayed with Access but the day Micro$oft stop support for Pocket
Access was the day I switched. They had a good thing going and then it was
gone.

For old apps that I wrote in Access I had to get clients to purchase
KaioneSync to make up for the shortcomings in the latest versions of
ActiveSync and Windows Mobile because they did not want the wheel
reinvented. M$ steps forward were steps backwards for Mobile - Access
develop IMO.

:L

</delurk>

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>wrote:

> All,
>
> Compared to most of you, I am a relative newcomer to the world of
> Access.
>
> Over the past few months, I have noticed a number of references to the
> Bound/Unbound debate.  It sounds like this was a really hotly contested
> issue at one time and that now people almost joke about it.
>
> For us newcomers, it would be nice if someone could explain this issue
> at a high level and perhaps spell out the major pros and cons of each
> side of the debate.
>
> It is not my intent to start a Web-war, I would just like to better
> understand what is going on here.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server Express - true skinny
>
> Exactly.  Which is part of the premise of the bound/unbound debate.
> With unbound forms, where data is written in a split second chunk, the
> stability of much higher user volume goes up tremendously!
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 2:46 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server Express - true skinny
>
> Dan,
>
>  That is more or less true, but the real bottle neck with a JET based DB
> has
> never been .LDB file operations.
>
>  With JET, all processing is on the client side.  The server acts as
> nothing
> more then a file share.
>
>  The trick with keeping a connection open to the BE avoids the repeated
> closing/opening of the LDB and DB files and all the associated overhead
> with
> removing/adding an active user under JET.  Some apps benefit from that,
> other not because they already maintain a connection one way or another.
> The problem can be further compounded if the server has OPLOCKS on
> (which
> allows client side caching of files).  JET doesn't need this as the
> cache is
> already on the client side.  So it's simply a wasted effort on the
> servers
> part.  And by default, OPLOCKs is enabled on Windows servers.
>
>  The real restriction of JET is just one of stability.  With no server
> side
> process to perform a rollback if a disconnect occurs, anytime that
> happens
> in the middle of write operations your fair game for corruption.   So by
> the
> time you get past 30 or 40 stations, it's just hard to keep the
> environment
> stable.
>
>  To prove that point, you can easily run a read-only/reporting JET based
> app
> with 200+ users without issues.
>
>  It's not an issue of performance, but one of stability.
>
> Jim.
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