From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Dec  1 04:11:42 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:11:42 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
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	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
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Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 ?Ice Cream Sandwich? on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-powered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......


From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Thu Dec  1 08:59:53 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:59:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com><4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Not if it includes this:

http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html

Rusty
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-powered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
> >>> Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
> >>> programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
> >>> to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
> >>>> multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
> >>>> mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
> >> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
> >> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  1 09:16:07 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 10:16:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com><4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <4ED79A37.70008@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, yea what a scandal! 8o

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 9:59 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> Not if it includes this:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html
>
> Rusty
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> Hi John at all,
>
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-powered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
>>>> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>>>>> Shamil,
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
>>>>> Droid
>>>> has wonderful voice
>>>>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
>>>>> programming
>>>> I pretty much type 99% the
>>>>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code
>>>>> to my
>>>> computer is something that is
>>>>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>>>>> Darryl --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
>>>>>> multi-touch
>>>> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>>>>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally
>>>>>> mounted
>>>> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
>>>> that's another technological revolution of the ways of
>>>> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>>>> communication with them...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>>>
> ......
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 10:41:22 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:41:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.

With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux a
lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually none.
That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
domination.

But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at say
$100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.

Jim
   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 11:05:18 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:05:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <71F8BD42B7C64BE1A2CEA7BC6A10C8E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The problem is that so far there is no way to remove it.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Not if it includes this:

http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html

Rusty
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
> >>> Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
> >>> programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
> >>> to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
> >>>> multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
> >>>> mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
> >> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
> >> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Dec  1 11:08:16 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:08:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>

I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
meant. Why? 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.


From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 11:09:07 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:09:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>

$400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
lots of places for under $200. $189 here

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5213938

Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
version of Professional is $139.99

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5213934

GK

2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> These are interesting times...
>
> A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
> cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
> and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
> go out and buy another piece of hardware.
>
> Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
> their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
> do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
> the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.
>
> With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
> directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux a
> lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually none.
> That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> domination.
>
> But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at say
> $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
> PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> Hi John at all,
>
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer" ?- Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
>> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>> >>> Shamil,
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice. ?My
> Droid
>> >> has wonderful voice
>> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive. ?IOW when I am
> programming
>> >> I pretty much type 99% the
>> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over. ?Dictating code to my
>> >> computer is something that is
>> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>> >>>
>> >>> John W. Colby
>> >>> Colby Consulting
>> >>>
>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> >>> when you do not believe in it
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>> >>>> Darryl --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> multi-touch
>> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
>> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
>> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
>> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>> >> communication with them...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -- Shamil
>> >>>>
> ......
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>
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-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 12:00:33 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:00:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>

In all the box stores around here, Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy and even
Costco, the last price I saw (yesterday) was $379 plus taxes which puts it
up to about $420. 

There are upgrades from Pro versions to Ultimate versions which can be had
for a mere $189 plus tax; $210

You will have to send me one of these super cheap copies.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

$400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
lots of places for under $200. $189 here

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
213938

Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
version of Professional is $139.99

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
213934

GK

2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> These are interesting times...
>
> A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded
version
> cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows
preloaded
> and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having
to
> go out and buy another piece of hardware.
>
> Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux
in
> their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP
computers
> do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
> the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is
upgraded.
>
> With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
> directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux a
> lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually
none.
> That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> domination.
>
> But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
say
> $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
> PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> Hi John at all,
>
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer" ?- Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
>
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
>> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>> >>> Shamil,
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice. ?My
> Droid
>> >> has wonderful voice
>> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive. ?IOW when I am
> programming
>> >> I pretty much type 99% the
>> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over. ?Dictating code to
my
>> >> computer is something that is
>> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>> >>>
>> >>> John W. Colby
>> >>> Colby Consulting
>> >>>
>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> >>> when you do not believe in it
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>> >>>> Darryl --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> multi-touch
>> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
>> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
>> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
>> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>> >> communication with them...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -- Shamil
>> >>>>
> ......
>
> --
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>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 12:08:39 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:08:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The client wants a full version of Office, word and excel for cheap and they
have been hearing how fast a Linux server is. Two years ago they would have
never said such a thing. Linux, if they even cared about it, was just for
geeks. Now they are asking. Android has changed all that.

I have not decided what to tell them yet but if dollars are a concern stick
with XP until you need new computers would be my first thought.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
meant. Why? 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 12:26:12 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:26:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWYUoG+-r5JXWQyRRO-OutcWnhMGuttYyAEJab=5+VG=jw@mail.gmail.com>

OEM versions are running 189 at New egg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100006907&isNodeId=1&Description=windows+7+ultimate&x=0&y=0


2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>

> In all the box stores around here, Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy and even
> Costco, the last price I saw (yesterday) was $379 plus taxes which puts it
> up to about $420.
>
> There are upgrades from Pro versions to Ultimate versions which can be had
> for a mere $189 plus tax; $210
>
> You will have to send me one of these super cheap copies.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> $400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
> lots of places for under $200. $189 here
>
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213938
>
> Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
> version of Professional is $139.99
>
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213934
>
> GK
>
> 2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > These are interesting times...
> >
> > A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded
> version
> > cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows
> preloaded
> > and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having
> to
> > go out and buy another piece of hardware.
> >
> > Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux
> in
> > their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP
> computers
> > do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
> > the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is
> upgraded.
> >
> > With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
> > directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux
> a
> > lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually
> none.
> > That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> > domination.
> >
> > But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
> say
> > $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying
> the
> > PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> > Shamil
> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> >
> > Hi John at all,
> >
> > How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
> > Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> >
> >
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> > ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> >
> > -- Shamil
> >
> >
> >> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >> >>> Shamil,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
> > Droid
> >> >> has wonderful voice
> >> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
> > programming
> >> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code to
> my
> >> >> computer is something that is
> >> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> John W. Colby
> >> >>> Colby Consulting
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >> >>>> Darryl --
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> > multi-touch
> >> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
> >> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
> that's
> >> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
> >> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> >> communication with them...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thank you.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -- Shamil
> >> >>>>
> > ......
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
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>
>
>
> --
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> garykjos at gmail.com
>
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>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 13:00:51 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:00:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWYUoG+-r5JXWQyRRO-OutcWnhMGuttYyAEJab=5+VG=jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAMhYZWYUoG+-r5JXWQyRRO-OutcWnhMGuttYyAEJab=5+VG=jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iXh3yPk_-kAV4KFJ86iLHzQBGmhQWVmri98ecqDLAwiA@mail.gmail.com>

Assuming the availability of a big backup disk (very cheap now, 1TB for
less than $100), then I'd opt for DriveImaging the Win 7 boot disk and then
replacing the OS with Linux Mint 12 or Ubuntu 11.10, and after that
mounging XP and/or Win7 as VMs inside Oracle VirtualBox. In fact that is
precisely my plan to execute over the Christmas holidays. I'm still
teaching myself C#, with the help of several books, and that's one VM;
another is dedicated to my sole remaining Access+Word+Excel=Office
Automation client, and there's an Ubuntu VM too. I don't run them all at
once, of course; just when I need to or want to.

BTW, I think that Mint 12 is pretty slick!
A.

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Dec  1 13:32:27 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:32:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <71F8BD42B7C64BE1A2CEA7BC6A10C8E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<71F8BD42B7C64BE1A2CEA7BC6A10C8E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <89550E0E-8934-434E-A641-5D240C07C51E@phulse.com>

That's not strictly true. There is a popular alternative firmware of android (or "distro", I suppose you could call it) called cyanogenmod (http://www.cyanogenmod.com/). It should be fairly trivial on many android phones (or most?) to install this alternative, clean firmware and it frees your phone from vendor specific nastiness (funny how android vendors are following the same path as the pc world with HP style software bundling) plus throws in a bunch of nice features on top of that.

The only problem is that it is still only using gingerbread. They are working on an icecream sandwich version now tho.

I hear a lot of android users raving on about it, so it seems to have a popular support, and it's free & open source.

There's a list of devices that it supports on its wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod

Happy jail breaking.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen

-- Sent from my iPad






On 1 Dec 2011, at 09:05, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> The problem is that so far there is no way to remove it.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Not if it includes this:
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Hi John at all,
> 
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> 
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
>>>> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>>>>> Shamil,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
>>>>> Droid
>>>> has wonderful voice
>>>>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
>>>>> programming
>>>> I pretty much type 99% the
>>>>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
>>>>> to my
>>>> computer is something that is
>>>>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>>>>> Darryl --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
>>>>>> multi-touch
>>>> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>>>>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
>>>>>> mounted
>>>> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
>>>> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
>>>> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
> gestures and voice...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>>>> communication with them...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>>> 
> ......
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Dec  1 15:11:18 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:11:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <18C283CC3E1F4FC4BFA7C65B0F656D8A@XPS>

<<But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
say
$100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.>>

 The problem with them doing that is you don't end up buying new hardware
then.

 Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

<<Snip>>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  1 15:43:19 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:43:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>

When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the 
same thing?
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>
> Will download and have a look.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents.  Of course the copy is very light.  Is it possible to darken the washed out text with Paint.net without also darkening the background.  IOW increase the contrast but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
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>
>

From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  1 15:59:09 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:59:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <000601ccb074$74bab5f0$5e3021d0$@net>

The "ultimate" question: difference between it and the Pro version ?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 1:01 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> In all the box stores around here, Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy and
> even
> Costco, the last price I saw (yesterday) was $379 plus taxes which puts
> it
> up to about $420.
>
> There are upgrades from Pro versions to Ultimate versions which can be
> had
> for a mere $189 plus tax; $210
>
> You will have to send me one of these super cheap copies.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> $400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
> lots of places for under $200. $189 here
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-
> details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213938
>
> Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
> version of Professional is $139.99
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-
> details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213934
>
> GK
>
> 2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > These are interesting times...
> >
> > A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded
> version
> > cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows
> preloaded
> > and now people are seriously looking at other options than always
> having
> to
> > go out and buy another piece of hardware.
> >
> > Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install
> Linux
> in
> > their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP
> computers
> > do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their
> case
> > the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is
> upgraded.
> >
> > With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will
> it
> > directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives
> Linux a
> > lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually
> none.
> > That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> > domination.
> >
> > But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows
> at
> say
> > $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be
> annoying the
> > PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Salakhetdinov
> > Shamil
> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> >
> > Hi John at all,
> >
> > How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer" ?- Android 4.0
> "Ice
> > Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> >
> >
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-
> android-pow
> > ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> >
> > -- Shamil
> >
> >
> >> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >> >>> Shamil,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.
> ?My
> > Droid
> >> >> has wonderful voice
> >> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive. ?IOW when I am
> > programming
> >> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over. ?Dictating code
> to
> my
> >> >> computer is something that is
> >> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> John W. Colby
> >> >>> Colby Consulting
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >> >>>> Darryl --
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> > multi-touch
> >> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using
> mouse...
> >> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally
> mounted
> >> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
> that's
> >> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating
> with
> >> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and
> voice...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and
> 3D
> >> >> communication with them...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thank you.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -- Shamil
> >> >>>>
> > ......
> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  1 16:02:29 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:02:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
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Not to my knowledge.

http://www.paint.net/


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 4:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP. Are they the same thing?
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>> Ditto, but it looks very nice. We use GIMP at work, but this (at a glance) looks better. Nice one
>> ! :) thanks.
>>
>> Will download and have a look.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>> Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents. Of course the copy is very light. Is
>> it possible to darken the washed out text with Paint.net without also darkening the background.
>> IOW increase the contrast but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> --
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>>
>>


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 16:03:50 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:03:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
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Try http://www.getpaint.net/index.html

Doug

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the
> same thing?
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
>
> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>
>> Will download and have a look.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[mailto:
>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents.  Of course
>> the copy is very light.  Is it possible to darken the washed out text with
>> Paint.net without also darkening the background.  IOW increase the contrast
>> but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> --
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
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>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 17:00:12 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:00:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
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The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> When I try to find paint.net
>
> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>
>> Will download and have a look.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>>

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Dec  1 17:01:28 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:01:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED7F975.7010407@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<4ED7F975.7010407@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <8F312CA6-84B6-4AEA-954B-372468762FE4@phulse.com>


Paint.Net started as a little home project (in 2004) in learning the .NET Framework around the time that Microsoft was really starting to hype .NET. It eventually evolved into a sort of showcase and proof-of-concept of a decent and strictly .NET application.

The Gimp has a much longer history, beginning in the mid 90's, as an image editor on Unix.

The main difference between the two is that the Gimp has more advanced features and also is cross platform (Windows, Linux, Mac).

Paint.Net isn't quite as feature rich and only runs on Windows (I guess Windows XP and above, if you have .NET installed), but it also has more eye candy and a flashier interface (which can be a bit distracting in my opinion though).

Popularity-wise, I'd have to say that the Gimp has a bigger user base, but thats not saying much since they are both vastly dwarfed by Photoshop.

- Hans


On 2011-12-01, at 2:02 PM, jwcolby wrote:

> Not to my knowledge.
> 
> http://www.paint.net/
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/1/2011 4:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP. Are they the same thing?
>> T
>> 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>> Ditto, but it looks very nice. We use GIMP at work, but this (at a glance) looks better. Nice one
>>> ! :) thanks.
>>> 
>>> Will download and have a look.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Darryl.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Jim Lawrence
>>> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>> 
>>> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>> 
>>> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents. Of course the copy is very light. Is
>>> it possible to darken the washed out text with Paint.net without also darkening the background.
>>> IOW increase the contrast but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>> 
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>>> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 17:09:11 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:09:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <89550E0E-8934-434E-A641-5D240C07C51E@phulse.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<71F8BD42B7C64BE1A2CEA7BC6A10C8E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<89550E0E-8934-434E-A641-5D240C07C51E@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <776135A40CBB4EC1B10997D95CFA09BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Here is a vid on how to go through the steps to install the latest
'gingerbread' cyanogenmod 7 update. It does not even require the product to
be 'unlocked' which in some cases invalidates the operator/Cell Service
Provider agreement. The modification is also not in violation of Google's
agreement with reference to proprietary components...if you do have those
new components, they can backed up and restored without violating any
licensing agreements. (I have not looked up the methods to properly backup
and restore proprietary components, yet.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3thA9OWQc8

Sorry, to say there is not an 'ice-cream sandwich' version available, yet
but, in most cases, unless you have the latest hardware, there are
insufficient resources to install and run that version.
 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

That's not strictly true. There is a popular alternative firmware of android
(or "distro", I suppose you could call it) called cyanogenmod
(http://www.cyanogenmod.com/). It should be fairly trivial on many android
phones (or most?) to install this alternative, clean firmware and it frees
your phone from vendor specific nastiness (funny how android vendors are
following the same path as the pc world with HP style software bundling)
plus throws in a bunch of nice features on top of that.

The only problem is that it is still only using gingerbread. They are
working on an icecream sandwich version now tho.

I hear a lot of android users raving on about it, so it seems to have a
popular support, and it's free & open source.

There's a list of devices that it supports on its wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod

Happy jail breaking.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen

-- Sent from my iPad






On 1 Dec 2011, at 09:05, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> The problem is that so far there is no way to remove it.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Not if it includes this:
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Hi John at all,
> 
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> 
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
>>>> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>>>>> Shamil,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
>>>>> Droid
>>>> has wonderful voice
>>>>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
>>>>> programming
>>>> I pretty much type 99% the
>>>>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
>>>>> to my
>>>> computer is something that is
>>>>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>>>>> Darryl --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
>>>>>> multi-touch
>>>> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>>>>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
>>>>>> mounted
>>>> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
>>>> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
>>>> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
> gestures and voice...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>>>> communication with them...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>>> 
> ......
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 17:12:57 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:12:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <18C283CC3E1F4FC4BFA7C65B0F656D8A@XPS>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<18C283CC3E1F4FC4BFA7C65B0F656D8A@XPS>
Message-ID: <A232AEE3C579423180EE73AECC8819BB@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Of course, so lowering the price of their separate or non-OEM packages would
not adversely affect their OEM hardware distributors, as the user would most
likely have to buy new hardware anyway.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

<<But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
say
$100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.>>

 The problem with them doing that is you don't end up buying new hardware
then.

 Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.

Jim. 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

<<Snip>>

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  1 17:20:53 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:20:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>

Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the 
same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by 
following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near 
the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to 
click the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this 
journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>
>> When I try to find paint.net
>>
>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>
>>> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>
>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Darryl.
>>>
>>>

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 17:28:32 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:28:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>

I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near the
> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>>
>>  When I try to find paint.net
>>>
>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Darryl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
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>

From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Thu Dec  1 17:44:07 2011
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:44:07 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>

I think this is just a case of a really poor and confusing website layout 
design.

The bit towards the top right, where it says:
"Get it now (free download)
Paint.NET v 3.5.10"
... that's the bit that is relevant to the Paint.Net download.

The big button underneath that, green, with "Download" - that's part of a 
big square advertisement that (for me at the moment) relates to FoxTab PDF 
Creator.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Doug Steele
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net

I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near 
> the
> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>>
>>  When I try to find paint.net
>>>
>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Darryl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec  1 18:55:20 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:55:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] FW: FW:  Windows 8
Message-ID: <BCCE4AA38F4747E8882A3ECD29B3EA79@HAL9007>

>From my son. 
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

  _____  

From: Noah Sutton-Smolin [mailto:heedleblambeedle at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:13 PM
To: Rocky Smolin
Subject: Re: FW: [AccessD] Windows 8


Droid X is CIQ-Free 

2011/12/1 Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>


Does your phone run Carrier IQ in the background?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Not if it includes this:

http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
<http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-po
wered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101> 
ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
> >>> Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
> >>> programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code
> >>> to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> >>>> multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally
> >>>> mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
> >> that's another technological revolution of the ways of
> >> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  2 06:00:32 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:00:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@t
	orchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com><CAFa8NkhP=gAh
	BLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <4ED8BDE0.7000702@torchlake.com>

Steve,
You're right.  I left out that part, didn't I?  ALMOST all the big green 
arrows were for GIMP, but one, right under the Paint.NET real link was 
another big green arrow for FoxTab PDF Creator.  I agree with you that 
the website layout is poor and confusing.  But, as I said, I persevered 
and finally got Paint.net.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/1/2011 6:44 PM, Steve Schapel wrote:
> I think this is just a case of a really poor and confusing website 
> layout design.
>
> The bit towards the top right, where it says:
> "Get it now (free download)
> Paint.NET v 3.5.10"
> ... that's the bit that is relevant to the Paint.Net download.
>
> The big button underneath that, green, with "Download" - that's part 
> of a big square advertisement that (for me at the moment) relates to 
> FoxTab PDF Creator.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Doug Steele
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
>> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
>> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table 
>> near the
>> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to 
>> click
>> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
>> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a 
>>> site
>>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  When I try to find paint.net
>>>>
>>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>>> T
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Darryl.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  --
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>>
>> Website: 
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  2 06:02:02 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:02:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@t
	orchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8BE3A.4030002@torchlake.com>

Hi Doug,
Yes, that is the site they point to.  It's just really badly laid out.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/1/2011 6:28 PM, Doug Steele wrote:
> I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>
>> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
>> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
>> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near the
>> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
>> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
>> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   When I try to find paint.net
>>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>>> T
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Darryl.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   --
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  2 06:40:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:40:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>

This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download someone else's program.  they 
apparently get paid for clicks so they intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally make 
the big green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few cents of you go there, 
even if you just immediately click your back button.

Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the same place where all the big
> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the
> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click the free
> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.
> What a strange experience.
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  2 06:40:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:40:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <4ED8C743.40302@colbyconsulting.com>

No, I think it is intentional.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 6:44 PM, Steve Schapel wrote:
> I think this is just a case of a really poor and confusing website layout design.
>
> The bit towards the top right, where it says:
> "Get it now (free download)
> Paint.NET v 3.5.10"
> ... that's the bit that is relevant to the Paint.Net download.
>
> The big button underneath that, green, with "Download" - that's part of a big square advertisement
> that (for me at the moment) relates to FoxTab PDF Creator.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Doug Steele
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> I see what you mean. The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
>> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP. However, by
>> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near the
>> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
>> the free link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the
>> big green arrows all were for GIMP. What a strange experience.
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>>> that WOT is less than thrilled with. What's going on?
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> When I try to find paint.net
>>>>
>>>> for download, I find GIMP. Are they the same thing?
>>>> T
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ditto, but it looks very nice. We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>>> glance) looks better. Nice one ! :) thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Darryl.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  2 07:03:38 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:03:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4
	_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>

What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download 
> someone else's program.  they apparently get paid for clicks so they 
> intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally make the big 
> green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few 
> cents of you go there, even if you just immediately click your back 
> button.
>
> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to 
>> the same place where all the big
>> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and 
>> clicking on the dotpdn button in the
>> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where 
>> small text says to click the free
>> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big 
>> green arrows all were for GIMP.
>> What a strange experience.
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  2 07:22:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:22:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4
	_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8D113.4070204@colbyconsulting.com>

 > What a goofy way to make a living! :-)

LOL, yep.  Most of the time the text next to the big green button clearly states that it is for some 
other program but we are at that page to download some specific thing and out brain just tells us 
that nobody is intentionally going to try and trick us.

Well guess what, someone is PAID to trick us.

I find the whole thing extremely annoying.  It usually takes a fair amount of time to figure out 
where to click to actually get what you want.  Often times when you finally do discover the right 
place to click, it takes you to another page where the process begins all over.

Paying anyone for clicks on their page that send people to my page breeds all kinds of scams but 
that is the way the internet works.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/2/2011 8:03 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download someone else's program. they
>> apparently get paid for clicks so they intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally
>> make the big green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few cents of you go
>> there, even if you just immediately click your back button.
>>
>> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the same place where all the big
>>> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the
>>> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click the free
>>> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.
>>> What a strange experience.
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Dec  2 07:28:40 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 05:28:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED8D113.4070204@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com> <CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4
	_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
	<4ED8D113.4070204@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <D98C7389-E685-4017-9FCC-5786AF04EF44@phulse.com>

Maybe the website operators aren't aware of it and the ads are being delivered by a third party ad network?

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 2 Dec 2011, at 05:22, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> > What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
> 
> LOL, yep.  Most of the time the text next to the big green button clearly states that it is for some other program but we are at that page to download some specific thing and out brain just tells us that nobody is intentionally going to try and trick us.
> 
> Well guess what, someone is PAID to trick us.
> 
> I find the whole thing extremely annoying.  It usually takes a fair amount of time to figure out where to click to actually get what you want.  Often times when you finally do discover the right place to click, it takes you to another page where the process begins all over.
> 
> Paying anyone for clicks on their page that send people to my page breeds all kinds of scams but that is the way the internet works.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/2/2011 8:03 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
>> T
>> 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>>> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download someone else's program. they
>>> apparently get paid for clicks so they intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally
>>> make the big green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few cents of you go
>>> there, even if you just immediately click your back button.
>>> 
>>> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>>> 
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>> 
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>> 
>>> On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the same place where all the big
>>>> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the
>>>> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click the free
>>>> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.
>>>> What a strange experience.
>>>> T
>>>> 
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 07:45:49 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:45:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com><4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <B6F0A8BAA7D14FB58571DF02F7AC1F30@SusanHarkins>

Passive income... the best kind! ;) 

I'll click for food... 

Susan H. 


> What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> 
> On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download 
>> someone else's program.  they apparently get paid for clicks so they 
>> intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally make the big 
>> green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few 
>> cents of you go there, even if you just immediately click your back 
>> button.
>>
>> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>>


From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 08:34:40 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:34:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>

Most of our machines are work are still running XP and Office 2003.
Works fine until you hit the row limits in Excel or something.   I've
never been a fan of upgrading operating systems - well not since the
DOS days anyway. The hardware requirements go up with each new version
and so you are usually not as happy with the new OS on old hardware as
you would be with the New OS on New hardware. With the price of
hardware as low as it is now I thinik it's a better choice to just
replace the enter box OS and all. If you need to upgrade at all that
is. The question is, what do they need to do that they can't do now?

GK

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> The client wants a full version of Office, word and excel for cheap and they
> have been hearing how fast a Linux server is. Two years ago they would have
> never said such a thing. Linux, if they even cared about it, was just for
> geeks. Now they are asking. Android has changed all that.
>
> I have not decided what to tell them yet but if dollars are a concern stick
> with XP until you need new computers would be my first thought.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:08 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
> meant. Why?

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  2 10:27:51 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:27:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem
Message-ID: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>

I have had occasion to create custom spread sheets from access table data
where TransferSpreadsheet wouldn't work.
 
After all of the rows have been written, I use: 
 
objXLWS.Columns("A:U").Columns.AutoFit 
 
and all of the columns automagically adjust their widths to fit the data so
when the user opens it up it looks real pretty and all the data is displayed
- column set to the width of the longest value in the column - but without a
lot of white space which you'd get if you tried to guess the column width
needed.
 
HTH somebody
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  2 10:29:04 2011
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:29:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Company name matching/standardization
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>,
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>,
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>,
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>


Hello All,
 
Anyone done any matching or standardization routines around company names?
 
Thanks,
 
Mark M.
 		 	   		  

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 10:33:29 2011
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:33:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Company name matching/standardization
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAsLj-SBOF8B-cX2VJrJbcmVoF6zQSoEOTjCZV5v2qYkOw@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

Can you give a little more info? What's the context? Are you looking for
Address etc.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> Hello All,
>
> Anyone done any matching or standardization routines around company names?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark M.
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Dec  2 12:24:38 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:24:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5441C45C-DD66-46D4-A008-B2841A18393C@phulse.com>



Not to mention the massive pollution to the environment by simply discarding computer hardware just to get that new upgrade to something new or run the latest version of Windows. It would be far better to recycle and repurpose computers you presently own, if you plan to upgrade your main desktop (ie. put linux on it or turn it into a media or web server or something like that), or give it away to someone else who can make use of it.

This is an oft neglected subject, simply because all the waste gets exported halfway across the world, where we don't have to see or deal with the effects of it ourselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMOAWW6I0k

- Hans






On 2011-12-02, at 6:34 AM, Gary Kjos wrote:

> Most of our machines are work are still running XP and Office 2003.
> Works fine until you hit the row limits in Excel or something.   I've
> never been a fan of upgrading operating systems - well not since the
> DOS days anyway. The hardware requirements go up with each new version
> and so you are usually not as happy with the new OS on old hardware as
> you would be with the New OS on New hardware. With the price of
> hardware as low as it is now I thinik it's a better choice to just
> replace the enter box OS and all. If you need to upgrade at all that
> is. The question is, what do they need to do that they can't do now?
> 
> GK
> 
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> The client wants a full version of Office, word and excel for cheap and they
>> have been hearing how fast a Linux server is. Two years ago they would have
>> never said such a thing. Linux, if they even cared about it, was just for
>> geeks. Now they are asking. Android has changed all that.
>> 
>> I have not decided what to tell them yet but if dollars are a concern stick
>> with XP until you need new computers would be my first thought.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:08 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>> 
>> I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
>> meant. Why?
> 
> -- 
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From edzedz at comcast.net  Fri Dec  2 12:47:22 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:47:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
Message-ID: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>

 
 Does anyone know where I can find some good name
 matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
 I can look into ?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Ed Zuris.
 edzedz at comcast.net
 
 
 

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 12:51:51 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:51:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>

I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 12:55:53 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:55:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem
In-Reply-To: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>
References: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_cg-CJD76FAcJTTz1bY4pZO3igQ-1NWbGPTKyBvQfEVg@mail.gmail.com>

Just curious.  What happens if one of the fields is a memo field?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I have had occasion to create custom spread sheets from access table data
> where TransferSpreadsheet wouldn't work.
>
> After all of the rows have been written, I use:
>
> objXLWS.Columns("A:U").Columns.AutoFit
>
> and all of the columns automagically adjust their widths to fit the data so
> when the user opens it up it looks real pretty and all the data is
> displayed
> - column set to the width of the longest value in the column - but without
> a
> lot of white space which you'd get if you tried to guess the column width
> needed.
>
> HTH somebody
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
>
> <http://www.bchacc.com/
>
> >
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>
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Fri Dec  2 13:33:21 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:33:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>



 It might be.

 Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?

 Thanks.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
for?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
>
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 13:52:55 2011
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 14:52:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAsDMjt+e8ub5N14dv0Bm-pYNmWAaEc1PGY4kri1J9jQ6g@mail.gmail.com>

See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  2 13:55:48 2011
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 19:55:48 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Company name matching/standardization
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAsLj-SBOF8B-cX2VJrJbcmVoF6zQSoEOTjCZV5v2qYkOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>,
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>,
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>,
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>,
	<CAKvidAsLj-SBOF8B-cX2VJrJbcmVoF6zQSoEOTjCZV5v2qYkOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W53D40A2FDFFA6BA9A61EF0D2B60@phx.gbl>


Address standardization is everywhere...we us the postal service.
 
Even the first/last name is covered.
 
I'm specifically looking for company/business names.  I have found a few packages/services online...I was just wondering if anyone had any experience working with or writing VBA/SQL to accomplish something like this.
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte 
 

> From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:33:29 -0500
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Company name matching/standardization
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Can you give a little more info? What's the context? Are you looking for
> Address etc.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com>wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Anyone done any matching or standardization routines around company names?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark M.
> >
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec  2 14:02:12 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 15:02:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <001e01ccb12d$4864ec00$d92ec400$@net>

Ed - I once had a project to convert mis-spelled names and typical aliases
to a "standard name".
This client had inconsistent data coming from multiple sources. It had to be
consolidated.
It was pretty simple actually. I built a cross-reference table that
associated all alias's and mis-spellings to a single reference name.
Every month we'd run the matching process I developed, find more "drop outs"
(reference names with no matches),
And then just add them to the cross-reference table and re-run the reports.
I did this in Excel, but definitely doable in Access with a single table.

That's a table-driven approach.
Now if you want something more elegant and heuristic,
ask those two guys who started this small company with a funny name that
begins with a G.
They're pretty good at matching-up words.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:47 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
>
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Fri Dec  2 14:10:21 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:10:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <001e01ccb12d$4864ec00$d92ec400$@net>
Message-ID: <000b01ccb12e$6b974730$5bdea8c0@edz1>



 Thanks. . .


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


Ed - I once had a project to convert mis-spelled names and typical
aliases to a "standard name". This client had inconsistent data coming
from multiple sources. It had to be consolidated. It was pretty simple
actually. I built a cross-reference table that associated all alias's
and mis-spellings to a single reference name. Every month we'd run the
matching process I developed, find more "drop outs" (reference names
with no matches), And then just add them to the cross-reference table
and re-run the reports. I did this in Excel, but definitely doable in
Access with a single table.

That's a table-driven approach.
Now if you want something more elegant and heuristic,
ask those two guys who started this small company with a funny name that
begins with a G. They're pretty good at matching-up words.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:47 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 15:23:34 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:23:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_gpXG3Wa533kTCrHE2uwZdWUKExOgvd58msfoAeLeE3Q@mail.gmail.com>

http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html


Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  2 15:31:30 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:31:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_cg-CJD76FAcJTTz1bY4pZO3igQ-1NWbGPTKyBvQfEVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>
	<CAH+Met_cg-CJD76FAcJTTz1bY4pZO3igQ-1NWbGPTKyBvQfEVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCAFC687D88C469E91D6F95374550A88@HAL9007>

Don't know.  Never had an occasion to export a memo field.  I've had some
very long test fields which made the column width unwieldy.  So after that
statement I adjust the long field to something reasonable and turn on the
word wrap.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem

Just curious.  What happens if one of the fields is a memo field?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I have had occasion to create custom spread sheets from access table 
> data where TransferSpreadsheet wouldn't work.
>
> After all of the rows have been written, I use:
>
> objXLWS.Columns("A:U").Columns.AutoFit
>
> and all of the columns automagically adjust their widths to fit the 
> data so when the user opens it up it looks real pretty and all the 
> data is displayed
> - column set to the width of the longest value in the column - but 
> without a lot of white space which you'd get if you tried to guess the 
> column width needed.
>
> HTH somebody
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
>
> <http://www.bchacc.com/
>
> >
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/
>
> >
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec  2 15:48:50 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:48:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
Message-ID: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Of course, most old hardware won't do.

But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600 with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly. 

It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>

 Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.

Jim. 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  2 16:04:12 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:04:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

There wa a recent discussion on one of the LinkedIn Access forums about optimising a 
"fuzzy matching"  function.   Final Test code is here:
http://code.google.com/p/fast-vba-fuzzy-scoring-algorithm/source/browse/trunk/Fuzzy2

Try the HotFuzz() function at the end.  

I think I may have also have some Levenshtein distance code sitting around somewhere.  I 
will have a dig around.


-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 11:47, Edward Zuris wrote:

>  
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>  
>  Thanks.
>  
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>  
>  
>  
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  2 16:07:18 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:07:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.

-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  2 16:48:48 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:48:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4ED955D0.31652.7CBE789@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

> On 2 Dec 2011 at 11:47, Edward Zuris wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >  
> >  Thanks.
> >  
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >  

Function LevenshteinDistance(phrase1 As String, phrase2 As String) As Long
'Calculates the minimum number of edits required to transform
'Phrase1 into Phrase2 using addition, deletion, and substitution of characters
'Case insensitive
Dim str1() As String
Dim str2() As String
Dim dist() As Long
Dim lngLen1 As Long
Dim lngLen2 As Long
Dim i As Long
Dim j As Long
Dim k As Long
Dim a(2) As Long
Dim r As Long
Dim cost As Long
   lngLen1 = Len(phrase1)
   lngLen2 = Len(phrase2)
   ReDim str1(lngLen1)
   ReDim str2(lngLen2)
   ReDim dist(lngLen1, lngLen2)

   For i = 1 To lngLen1
       str1(i) = UCase$(Mid$(phrase1, i, 1))
   Next
   For i = 1 To lngLen2
       str2(i) = UCase$(Mid$(phrase2, i, 1))
   Next
   For i = 0 To lngLen1
       dist(i, 0) = i
   Next
   For j = 0 To lngLen2
       dist(0, j) = j
   Next
   For i = 1 To lngLen1
       For j = 1 To lngLen2
           If str1(i) = str2(j) Then
               cost = 0
           Else
               cost = 1
           End If
           a(0) = dist(i - 1, j) + 1             '' deletion
           a(1) = dist(i, j - 1) + 1             '' insertion
           a(2) = dist(i - 1, j - 1) + cost      '' substitution
           r = a(0)
           For k = 1 To UBound(a)
               If a(k) < r Then r = a(k)
           Next
           dist(i, j) = r
       Next
   Next
   LevenshteinDistance = dist(lngLen1, lngLen2)
End Function



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec  2 17:50:19 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 03:50:19 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
References: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <E1RWcrz-0000WH-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f69.mail.ru>

Hi Gustav --

Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...

And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning WP7 development...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
> Hi Jim
> 
> Of course, most old hardware won't do.
> 
> But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600 with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
> 
> It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>
> 
>  Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
> 
> Jim.
> 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Dec  3 09:21:24 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:21:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
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 It's the memory that's the kicker.  Six years ago, the 2 and 3 GB machines
you are describing would have been considered higher end machines; not the
typical entry level machines that most businesses put in place.

 In fact if you remember when Vista came out, the big stink was that
Microsoft said flat out "buy new hardware" if you wanted to use all the
features (it was more then memory, but memory was a good part of it).  Many
at that time asked if Vista was even worth the upgrade price considering you
could not use most of the new features if you didn't get new hardware.

 Win 7 is a far better OS then Vista and is what Vista should have been, but
it's still something I would not consider running on anything less then 2GB.

 I have clients that have fallen behind on five year replacement cycles and
have systems running from .5 GB to 1.5GB.   Even with XP, that's a stretch.
And yes I know memory is cheap, but in many cases the MB is maxed out and
upgrading is not possible.  Replacing the station as a whole is the best
approach, but they've held off.

 Thankfully most of them are caught up now, but I still have a few
stragglers.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 06:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi Gustav --

Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop
Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...

And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while
debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and
XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning
WP7 development...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
> Hi Jim
> 
> Of course, most old hardware won't do.
> 
> But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion
zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600
with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
> 
> It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>
> 
>  Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
> 
> Jim.
> 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Dec  3 09:43:49 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:43:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED955D0.31652.7CBE789@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4ED955D0.31652.7CBE789@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <006f01ccb1d2$5a050a30$0e0f1e90$@net>

Extremely interesting. Does GOOGLE use this or a proprietary variant I
wonder ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levenshtein_distance




From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 11:38:15 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:38:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Better solutions ?

 Please share.


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.

-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 11:40:30 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:40:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000701ccb1e2$a7124760$5bdea8c0@edz1>



 Thanks. . .

 Will look into the HotFuzz() function at the end.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


There wa a recent discussion on one of the LinkedIn Access forums about
optimising a 
"fuzzy matching"  function.   Final Test code is here:
http://code.google.com/p/fast-vba-fuzzy-scoring-algorithm/source/browse/
trunk/Fuzzy2

Try the HotFuzz() function at the end.  

I think I may have also have some Levenshtein distance code sitting
around somewhere.  I 
will have a dig around.


-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 11:47, Edward Zuris wrote:

>  
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>  
>  Thanks.
>  
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>  
>  
>  
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 12:12:40 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:12:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_gpXG3Wa533kTCrHE2uwZdWUKExOgvd58msfoAeLeE3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01ccb1e7$2575a350$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Thanks.

  http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html


Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 12:14:43 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:14:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAsDMjt+e8ub5N14dv0Bm-pYNmWAaEc1PGY4kri1J9jQ6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01ccb1e7$6ed6bbb0$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Thanks Jack.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack
drawbridge
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Dec  3 13:50:12 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:50:12 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8?=
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Hi Jim --

Yes, I do remember Vista - I have used it with the same laptop I mentioned with 2GB RAM for more than four years.  :)
I've changed/enlarged HDD, added 1GB of memory and installed Win 7 this summer only.
This five years old PC is not good enough for full scale Windows Phone7.1  Development and it can't be used at all for SharePoint Development but other VS2010 SP1 project types development proceed smoothly on this PC, and MS Office 2010 "flies" on it.

Yes, you're right  "memory is the kicker" but for end-user systems 1.5 GB and even 1GB should be good enough for Win 7 I suppose.
2GB is much better of course but AFAIU your customers can't install 2GB as that is not technically possible for their PCs - then that should be very old PCs?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


03 ??????? 2011, 19:22 ?? "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>:
> 
>  It's the memory that's the kicker.  Six years ago, the 2 and 3 GB machines
> you are describing would have been considered higher end machines; not the
> typical entry level machines that most businesses put in place.
> 
>  In fact if you remember when Vista came out, the big stink was that
> Microsoft said flat out "buy new hardware" if you wanted to use all the
> features (it was more then memory, but memory was a good part of it).  Many
> at that time asked if Vista was even worth the upgrade price considering you
> could not use most of the new features if you didn't get new hardware.
> 
>  Win 7 is a far better OS then Vista and is what Vista should have been, but
> it's still something I would not consider running on anything less then 2GB.
> 
>  I have clients that have fallen behind on five year replacement cycles and
> have systems running from .5 GB to 1.5GB.   Even with XP, that's a stretch.
> And yes I know memory is cheap, but in many cases the MB is maxed out and
> upgrading is not possible.  Replacing the station as a whole is the best
> approach, but they've held off.
> 
>  Thankfully most of them are caught up now, but I still have a few
> stragglers.
> 
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 06:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Hi Gustav --
> 
> Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop
> Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...
> 
> And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while
> debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and
> XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning
> WP7 development...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > Of course, most old hardware won't do.
> >
> > But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion
> zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600
> with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
> >
> > It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>
> >
> >  Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec  3 16:40:20 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 08:40:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <4EDAA554.2194.CEA8394@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Levenshtein and the HotFuzz() function for two,

On 3 Dec 2011 at 10:38, Edward Zuris wrote:

> 
>  Better solutions ?
> 
>  Please share.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:07 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
> 
> 
> Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> 
> > I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
> 
> > for?
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> > >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> > >  I can look into ?
> > >
> > >  Thanks.
> > >
> > >  Ed Zuris.
> > >  edzedz at comcast.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec  3 18:23:04 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 19:23:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1RWvbA-00054T-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f39.mail.ru>
References: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
	<E1RWcrz-0000WH-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f69.mail.ru>
	<591BD9DBEA5E4256B8EBECFC66083908@XPS>
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I have to say that the hybrid disk I bought made an enormous difference with Windows 7 in my laptop.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007605%2050001305&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&SrchInDesc=momentus%20xt&Page=1&PageSize=100

It adds a 4 gig "SSD" (flash) cache to store small files that are loaded often.  It takes several 
times loading things but on the second or third pass suddenly stuff loads faster.

I bought one for my laptop and I was so pleased that I did the same for my wife's notebook.  It is 
not the same experience as a full on SSD boot disk but very close.

On my WMC system downstairs I repurposed an old 30 gb SSD drive that simply wasn't big enough to 
make the boot disk, and I put a 15 gb readyboost cache on it and put the swap file on the rest. 
That too has made an enormous difference.

But for a notebook where you only have a single disk slot, try the seagate momentus.  It may give 
the old laptop an addition couple of years.  I actually replaced my brand new laptop's 5400 rpm 
drive with this thing and man what a difference.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/3/2011 2:50 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Hi Jim --
>
> Yes, I do remember Vista - I have used it with the same laptop I mentioned with 2GB RAM for more than four years.  :)
> I've changed/enlarged HDD, added 1GB of memory and installed Win 7 this summer only.
> This five years old PC is not good enough for full scale Windows Phone7.1  Development and it can't be used at all for SharePoint Development but other VS2010 SP1 project types development proceed smoothly on this PC, and MS Office 2010 "flies" on it.
>
> Yes, you're right  "memory is the kicker" but for end-user systems 1.5 GB and even 1GB should be good enough for Win 7 I suppose.
> 2GB is much better of course but AFAIU your customers can't install 2GB as that is not technically possible for their PCs - then that should be very old PCs?
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> 03 ??????? 2011, 19:22 ?? "Jim Dettman"<jimdettman at verizon.net>:
>>
>>   It's the memory that's the kicker.  Six years ago, the 2 and 3 GB machines
>> you are describing would have been considered higher end machines; not the
>> typical entry level machines that most businesses put in place.
>>
>>   In fact if you remember when Vista came out, the big stink was that
>> Microsoft said flat out "buy new hardware" if you wanted to use all the
>> features (it was more then memory, but memory was a good part of it).  Many
>> at that time asked if Vista was even worth the upgrade price considering you
>> could not use most of the new features if you didn't get new hardware.
>>
>>   Win 7 is a far better OS then Vista and is what Vista should have been, but
>> it's still something I would not consider running on anything less then 2GB.
>>
>>   I have clients that have fallen behind on five year replacement cycles and
>> have systems running from .5 GB to 1.5GB.   Even with XP, that's a stretch.
>> And yes I know memory is cheap, but in many cases the MB is maxed out and
>> upgrading is not possible.  Replacing the station as a whole is the best
>> approach, but they've held off.
>>
>>   Thankfully most of them are caught up now, but I still have a few
>> stragglers.
>>
>> Jim.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>> Shamil
>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 06:50 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>>
>> Hi Gustav --
>>
>> Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop
>> Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...
>>
>> And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while
>> debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and
>> XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning
>> WP7 development...
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> -- Shamil
>>
>> 03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock"<Gustav at cactus.dk>:
>>> Hi Jim
>>>
>>> Of course, most old hardware won't do.
>>>
>>> But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion
>> zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600
>> with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
>>>
>>> It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
>>>
>>> /gustav
>>>
>>>>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11>>>
>>>
>>>   Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
>>>
>>> Jim.
>>>
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>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec  3 20:06:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:06:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subversion repositories and server
Message-ID: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com>

I use subversion here at my office.  I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without 
really understanding it.

I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to 
replace some less reliable Access stuff.  I want the repositories to reside on the server with all 
of its raid and backup safety net.

Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it 
is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory.

When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but 
I do not know how to do that.

I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it.  I 
created a group and a user and ser my user into the group.  I then created two repositories for two 
different projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user.

My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now?  I am using VS 2010, and it has 
the VisualSVN package installed.  I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get 
data from the repository server.  Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell 
VisualSVN in the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that.  The "Get 
solution from Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find 
my repository and I have no clue what the URL is.

IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff.  Any help is much appreciated.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec  3 21:39:42 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 22:39:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VSN right click isn't working
Message-ID: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com>

I use VSN with right click context stuff to check in and out some DLLs such as NLog which are 
referenced by my projects but are not stuff that I can directly open in VS and use that to do the 
checkin.  The problem is that while the right click menu works on my systems at the office, at my 
client they cause Windows Explorer to crash, as in close and explorer reopens a few seconds later. 
Right clicking on any file or directory causes the explorer crash.

I eventually found this thing called ShellExView that allows one to see the right click processes 
that are hooking into Explorer's right click widget, and from there I caused all of the VSNTortoise 
stuff to stop and the crashes stopped.

So I can't use VSN's stuff on my dev machine at the client to check directories in and out of 
tortoise / VSN and so I have no way to check in initially.

I decided to try and do this on the server directly and the right click menu works just fine there, 
or at least doesn't page fault explorer.  However when I try to check it in, it complains about a 
different user or something.

Sigh.  AFAIC I do not have to have this in source control, i.e. the reference that I am trying to 
check in are just dlls which are referenced at a specific path on my hard disk and for that purpose 
having them in source control doesn't matter.  However putting it in source control allows me to 
"check them out" from any other machine which needs them, and further if I get a new version of a 
file (nlogs.dll for example) I can check it in and then check it out on other machines to get the 
latest.  The whole point of source control really.  So long term I really want to get this working.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Dec  4 04:20:48 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 11:20:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
Message-ID: <sedb57ae.076@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Had the same idea about a 64 GB SSD drive I have at hand, but my old zd8000 sports an ATA interface only. No cigar.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-12-2011 01:23 >>>
I have to say that the hybrid disk I bought made an enormous difference with Windows 7 in my laptop.




From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec  4 09:48:14 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:48:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4EDAA554.2194.CEA8394@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<4EDAA554.2194.CEA8394@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000001ccb29c$22db9540$6892bfc0$@net>

Best solution IMHO:
Use all three....table lookup, and then the below.
> Levenshtein and the HotFuzz() function for two,
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 09:59:19 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:59:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server
Message-ID: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>


Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not have a pair of users I use for 
my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp.  The problem is that one of the the databases 
that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those users.  When I try to set those 
users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server principal 'DiscoApp' already exists. 
  Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights  - db_reader, db_writer etc.

I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need an explanation of why it won't 
allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the check boxes are enabled when I 
select that database.  I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and then set 
the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my changes and 
re-adds the user to the database.  This just seems strange.  If I don't do this rigamarole then I 
have a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but when I look at it back at 
the server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that database.

Any assistance great fully accepted.
-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 10:13:31 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 11:13:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>

 >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and then set the rights through 
the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my changes and re-adds the user to the 
database.

Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I discovered that all of the rights to 
objects in the database were removed.  For example I had rights to execute stored procedures 
assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to execute were lost.

Sigh.

This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>
> Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not have a pair of users I use for
> my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is that one of the the databases
> that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those users. When I try to set those
> users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
> Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights - db_reader, db_writer etc.
>
> I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need an explanation of why it won't
> allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the check boxes are enabled when I
> select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and then set
> the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my changes and
> re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I don't do this rigamarole then I have
> a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but when I look at it back at the
> server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that database.
>
> Any assistance great fully accepted.


From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec  4 11:36:01 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 12:36:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>

John - as you are discovering (the hard way I might add),
SQL Security is a whole specialty onto itself....in fact, there have been
books written about just that.
Here's one that may be helpful:
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-Administrators-Pocket-Consultant/dp/0
73562738X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323019853&sr=1-4
and here's another:
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-2008-Management-Administration/dp/067
233044X/ref=pd_sim_b_6


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:14 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Access Developers discussion
> and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>
>  >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and
> then set the rights through
> the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my
> changes and re-adds the user to the
> database.
>
> Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I discovered
> that all of the rights to
> objects in the database were removed.  For example I had rights to
> execute stored procedures
> assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to
> execute were lost.
>
> Sigh.
>
> This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> >
> > Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not
> have a pair of users I use for
> > my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is
> that one of the the databases
> > that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those
> users. When I try to set those
> > users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server
> principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
> > Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights -
> db_reader, db_writer etc.
> >
> > I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need
> an explanation of why it won't
> > allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the
> check boxes are enabled when I
> > select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user out
> in that database and then set
> > the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it
> happily accepts my changes and
> > re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I don't
> do this rigamarole then I have
> > a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but
> when I look at it back at the
> > server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that
> database.
> >
> > Any assistance great fully accepted.
>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Dec  4 12:47:53 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 13:47:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
Message-ID: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to 
placed in the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 12:52:18 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:52:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <356134BD550B4B7E94EFBF1984EC2284@SusanHarkins>



stu_counselor.Value = combobox.value

Is stu_counselor bound to a control in your form? If it is, this should be 
easy enough.

Susan H.


> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who will 
> be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  Once 
> that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to placed in 
> the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
> tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued. 
> Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
> -- 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 


From steve at goodhall.info  Sun Dec  4 12:54:43 2011
From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:54:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <f1f67b23-4cd8-48b9-9eb3-ed7a48ff17f7@blur>

Why store the counselor name in the student table?  Why not just store the  
id and use a join when you need the name?  That way if the counselor's name  
changes (marriage, divorce, whim) you don't need to run around updating  
student records. 

Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP

-----Original message-----
From: Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 18:47:04 GMT+00:00
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to 
placed in the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 13:25:49 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:25:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
Message-ID: <4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks for the suggestions.  Has anyone ever used a kindle edition of books like this?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 12:36 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> John - as you are discovering (the hard way I might add),
> SQL Security is a whole specialty onto itself....in fact, there have been
> books written about just that.
> Here's one that may be helpful:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-Administrators-Pocket-Consultant/dp/0
> 73562738X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323019853&sr=1-4
> and here's another:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-2008-Management-Administration/dp/067
> 233044X/ref=pd_sim_b_6
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:14 AM
>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Access Developers discussion
>> and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>>
>>   >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and
>> then set the rights through
>> the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my
>> changes and re-adds the user to the
>> database.
>>
>> Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I discovered
>> that all of the rights to
>> objects in the database were removed.  For example I had rights to
>> execute stored procedures
>> assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to
>> execute were lost.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>>>
>>> Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not
>> have a pair of users I use for
>>> my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is
>> that one of the the databases
>>> that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those
>> users. When I try to set those
>>> users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server
>> principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
>>> Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights -
>> db_reader, db_writer etc.
>>>
>>> I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need
>> an explanation of why it won't
>>> allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the
>> check boxes are enabled when I
>>> select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user out
>> in that database and then set
>>> the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it
>> happily accepts my changes and
>>> re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I don't
>> do this rigamarole then I have
>>> a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but
>> when I look at it back at the
>>> server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that
>> database.
>>>
>>> Any assistance great fully accepted.
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 14:20:22 2011
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 12:20:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>

Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for kindle
these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop and
laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it. Much
less clutter on the book shelves. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server

Thanks for the suggestions.  Has anyone ever used a kindle edition of books
like this?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 12:36 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> John - as you are discovering (the hard way I might add), SQL Security 
> is a whole specialty onto itself....in fact, there have been books 
> written about just that.
> Here's one that may be helpful:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-Administrators-Pocket-Consultan
> t/dp/0
> 73562738X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323019853&sr=1-4
> and here's another:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-2008-Management-Administration/
> dp/067
> 233044X/ref=pd_sim_b_6
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:14 AM
>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Access Developers discussion 
>> and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>>
>>   >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database 
>> and then set the rights through the user back in the server security 
>> stuff it happily accepts my changes and re-adds the user to the 
>> database.
>>
>> Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I 
>> discovered that all of the rights to objects in the database were 
>> removed.  For example I had rights to execute stored procedures 
>> assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to 
>> execute were lost.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>>>
>>> Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not
>> have a pair of users I use for
>>> my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is
>> that one of the the databases
>>> that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those
>> users. When I try to set those
>>> users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server
>> principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
>>> Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights -
>> db_reader, db_writer etc.
>>>
>>> I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need
>> an explanation of why it won't
>>> allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the
>> check boxes are enabled when I
>>> select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user 
>>> out
>> in that database and then set
>>> the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it
>> happily accepts my changes and
>>> re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I 
>>> don't
>> do this rigamarole then I have
>>> a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database 
>>> but
>> when I look at it back at the
>>> server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that
>> database.
>>>
>>> Any assistance great fully accepted.
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Sun Dec  4 14:27:16 2011
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:27:16 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <f1f67b23-4cd8-48b9-9eb3-ed7a48ff17f7@blur>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
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Tina,

I agree with Steve.  On the face of what you have told us so far, what you 
are trying to do here is irregular.

Assuming the combobox is bound to a field in the tblStudent table, what 
field is it?

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Goodhall
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Why store the counselor name in the student table?  Why not just store the
id and use a join when you need the name?  That way if the counselor's name
changes (marriage, divorce, whim) you don't need to run around updating
student records.

Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP

-----Original message-----
From: Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 18:47:04 GMT+00:00
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who
will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to
placed in the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to
update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec  4 15:41:56 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:41:56 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EDBE924.30917.11DB6A54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Bad girl!  :-)

tbStudent.Stu_Counselor should be a numerice field which contains the Counselor_ID 
foreign key.  You should NOT be storing the counselor's name in individual student records.

Set the Control Source of the combobox to Stu_Counselor and set its bound column to the 
(zero based) column number of the field you want to store in the student record.


-- 
Stuart


On 4 Dec 2011 at 13:47, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> Dear Friends,
> 
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
> Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to 
> placed in the student's record.
> 
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
> tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
> 
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
> Any help waking up my brain?
> 
> Thanks,
> T
> 
> -- 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec  4 16:48:47 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:48:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <9E5970D986864D8BB3B1035FBDAB2589@HAL9007>

If Counselor_Lname is not a bound field in the form then there are two ways
to do this:  1) an Update Query - ( cheat by writing the update query in the
QBE and copy the SQL from the SQL View of the query) set db = CurrentDb,
then db.Execute the update query string, 2) DAO = open a recordset of
tblCounselor either filtered to include only the record you want or all
records then use .FIndFirst to find the record you want.  Then
.Edit/.Update.  Walla!

HTH

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:48 AM
To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who will be
assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to placed in
the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to update
the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

--
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231-322-2787

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec  4 17:15:14 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 18:15:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
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	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>

But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in PDF
format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.

> Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
> kindle
> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
> and
> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
> Much
> less clutter on the book shelves.



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 18:15:00 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:15:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?

I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to change that property 'on the fly'...

Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.

Cheers
Darryl.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 18:18:56 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 19:18:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
Message-ID: <4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>

 > But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?

Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently can with the new Kindle Touch 
which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.  I am looking at buying one of these.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in PDF
> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>
>> Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>> kindle
>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>> and
>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>> Much
>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>
>


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 18:45:52 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 16:45:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>

It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
Why would you even want to change it on the fly?

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
>
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a solution
> (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it seems like an odd
> thing to enforce on developers, especially as the form is nearly always
> going to be open and in use when you want to change that property 'on the
> fly'...
>
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 18:58:47 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:58:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>
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It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.

For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from listbox 1, then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its list (so multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list box 1 has only one option selected than listbox 2 should allow multi-select to be available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 has a dependency on what the user selects (or doesn't select) in listbox 1 and visa versa.  If a user chooses multiple values in listbox 2 first, then only a single option should be allowed from listbox 1 and the status change from multi to single.

Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a work around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I can understand why you should not be able to change the state of the active listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, unless you are in design mode.

Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, but there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this is one of them.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
Why would you even want to change it on the fly?

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in 
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
>
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> change that property 'on the fly'...
>
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 19:07:17 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:07:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE3F4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE3F4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met95nqo1v0B3wD-ujhuM7At9pjsuje6NC7v=ztY1+Bhukg@mail.gmail.com>

Simplest way to handle it is with stacked controls using the particular
settings you need.  Just  set their visibility depending on the selection
in listbox 2.  No need to make design changes to the form, which is what
you're doing when you change the property of the control itself.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its
> state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.
>
> For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is
> 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from listbox 1,
> then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its list (so
> multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list box 1 has only
> one option selected than listbox 2 should allow multi-select to be
> available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 has a dependency on
> what the user selects (or doesn't select) in listbox 1 and visa versa.  If
> a user chooses multiple values in listbox 2 first, then only a single
> option should be allowed from listbox 1 and the status change from multi to
> single.
>
> Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a work
> around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I can
> understand why you should not be able to change the state of the active
> listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, unless you are in
> design mode.
>
> Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, but
> there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this is one of
> them.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.
>
> It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
> Why would you even want to change it on the fly?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins <
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in
> > design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> >
> > I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a
> > solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it
> > seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the
> > form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to
> > change that property 'on the fly'...
> >
> > Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> >
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 19:09:34 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:09:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
touch screen for a long time. ;-)

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> > But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>
> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently can
> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.  I
> am looking at buying one of these.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>
>> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>> PDF
>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>
>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>> kindle
>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>> and
>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>> Much
>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
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>
>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec  4 19:10:02 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:10:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EDC19EA.7526.1299F1A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It's not an Access thing, it's a Windows thing.  Listbox and Combobox common controls, and 
some others,  don't support modifying Window Styles dynamically. 

The only way to change Style and Extended Style attributes for these is to  destroy and 
recreate the control regardless of what development environment you are in.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 0:15, Darryl Collins wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that? 
> 
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a
> solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it
> seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the
> form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to
> change that property 'on the fly'... 
> 
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 19:41:16 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 01:41:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <4EDC19EA.7526.1299F1A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4EDC19EA.7526.1299F1A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE44C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Aaaah, now that makes more sense...  I figured there is likely to be a deeper reason I just didn't understand.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

It's not an Access thing, it's a Windows thing.  Listbox and Combobox common controls, and some others,  don't support modifying Window Styles dynamically. 

The only way to change Style and Extended Style attributes for these is to  destroy and recreate the control regardless of what development environment you are in.

--
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 0:15, Darryl Collins wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in 
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> 
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> change that property 'on the fly'...
> 
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 19:53:02 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 01:53:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
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Hi Charlotte,

Yeah, that was my original idea, have one listbox set to multi and the other set to single and swap the visibility, but in reality that wasn't going to work functionally for what is required here.  Mainly as the process is not a linear one, so the user can 'go back' (so to speak) can change how many records are selected in either list box - or select them in any order, there is left to right sequence required   Of course choosing one of each only is also a valid option.

No, I ended up using option II I found on Google, which is to emulate what I was looking to do via code.

This works by first counting how many records are selected in the active listbox and setting a public Boolean variable.  I then use code like this

I use an onclick event to work out how many records are selected (If the other list box has more than one record select this stage is skipped as we have already set the select status on both boxes).

For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
    If lstBox1.Selected(i) = True Then
        x = x + 1
        strMaterialTypeName(x) = lstBox1.Column(0, x)

    End If
Next i

If x > 1 Then
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = False
Else
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = True
End If

'----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then when the user clicks on the the other listbox we already know the status of the original listbox


If gbInputMatTypeMS = False Then
    For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
        lstBox1.Selected(i) = False
    Next i
    lstBox1.Selected(lstBox1.ListIndex + 1) = True
End If

'------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Which will force the other listbox to only select the item click on by the user if the multiselect variable for the dependant listbox is set to FALSE (gbInputMatTypeMS=False).
This actually works rather well and painlessly.  It allows the user to automagically select whatever they want in any order and the listboxes adjust state accordingly depending on how many records are chosen in each listbox.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

Simplest way to handle it is with stacked controls using the particular settings you need.  Just  set their visibility depending on the selection in listbox 2.  No need to make design changes to the form, which is what you're doing when you change the property of the control itself.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its 
> state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.
>
> For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is 
> 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from 
> listbox 1, then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its 
> list (so multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list 
> box 1 has only one option selected than listbox 2 should allow 
> multi-select to be available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 
> has a dependency on what the user selects (or doesn't select) in 
> listbox 1 and visa versa.  If a user chooses multiple values in 
> listbox 2 first, then only a single option should be allowed from 
> listbox 1 and the status change from multi to single.
>
> Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a 
> work around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I 
> can understand why you should not be able to change the state of the 
> active listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, 
> unless you are in design mode.
>
> Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, 
> but there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this 
> is one of them.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.
>
> It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
> Why would you even want to change it on the fly?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins < 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is 
> > in design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> >
> > I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> > solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> > seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> > form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> > change that property 'on the fly'...
> >
> > Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 20:19:54 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 02:19:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
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Doh... proof reading is important... proof reading is important...

" there is NO left to right sequence required  "

Bah..

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

Hi Charlotte,

Yeah, that was my original idea, have one listbox set to multi and the other set to single and swap the visibility, but in reality that wasn't going to work functionally for what is required here.  Mainly as the process is not a linear one, so the user can 'go back' (so to speak) can change how many records are selected in either list box - or select them in any order, there is left to right sequence required   Of course choosing one of each only is also a valid option.

No, I ended up using option II I found on Google, which is to emulate what I was looking to do via code.

This works by first counting how many records are selected in the active listbox and setting a public Boolean variable.  I then use code like this

I use an onclick event to work out how many records are selected (If the other list box has more than one record select this stage is skipped as we have already set the select status on both boxes).

For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
    If lstBox1.Selected(i) = True Then
        x = x + 1
        strMaterialTypeName(x) = lstBox1.Column(0, x)

    End If
Next i

If x > 1 Then
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = False
Else
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = True
End If

'----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then when the user clicks on the the other listbox we already know the status of the original listbox


If gbInputMatTypeMS = False Then
    For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
        lstBox1.Selected(i) = False
    Next i
    lstBox1.Selected(lstBox1.ListIndex + 1) = True End If

'------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Which will force the other listbox to only select the item click on by the user if the multiselect variable for the dependant listbox is set to FALSE (gbInputMatTypeMS=False).
This actually works rather well and painlessly.  It allows the user to automagically select whatever they want in any order and the listboxes adjust state accordingly depending on how many records are chosen in each listbox.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

Simplest way to handle it is with stacked controls using the particular settings you need.  Just  set their visibility depending on the selection in listbox 2.  No need to make design changes to the form, which is what you're doing when you change the property of the control itself.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its 
> state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.
>
> For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is 
> 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from 
> listbox 1, then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its 
> list (so multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list 
> box 1 has only one option selected than listbox 2 should allow 
> multi-select to be available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 
> has a dependency on what the user selects (or doesn't select) in 
> listbox 1 and visa versa.  If a user chooses multiple values in 
> listbox 2 first, then only a single option should be allowed from 
> listbox 1 and the status change from multi to single.
>
> Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a 
> work around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I 
> can understand why you should not be able to change the state of the 
> active listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, 
> unless you are in design mode.
>
> Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, 
> but there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this 
> is one of them.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.
>
> It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
> Why would you even want to change it on the fly?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins < 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is 
> > in design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> >
> > I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> > solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> > seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> > form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> > change that property 'on the fly'...
> >
> > Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 21:07:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 22:07:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
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Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.  ;)

John W. Colby
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when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>>> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>
>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently can
>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.  I
>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>
>>> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>>> PDF
>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>
>>>   Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>> kindle
>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>> and
>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>> Much
>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>
>>>
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From Benson at ge.com  Sun Dec  4 21:24:49 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:24:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
and an annoyance to me personally.

TIA.




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec  4 22:04:37 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 20:04:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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I suppose it's there in case you mistakenly start to delete all records in a
table or mean to delete 100 and delete 10,000 instead.  The only way I know
is DoCmd.SetWarnings False but that's in code.

Rocky
 

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(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
personally.

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 22:05:29 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 04:05:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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Hi Bill,

It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How are you deleting them?

>From what I understand if you can use 

CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror
to execute them without messages

or

if necessary (last resort) you can use

With DoCmd
	.SetWarnings False
	.OpenQuery "QueryName"
	.SetWarnings True
End with

It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well <<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>

Does any of that help?



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Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me personally.

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 22:09:20 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 23:09:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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Yeah code or a macro step I guess is all I got. I'd hoped a hot key variant
on run might turn up.
On Dec 4, 2011 11:05 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I suppose it's there in case you mistakenly start to delete all records in
> a
> table or mean to delete 100 and delete 10,000 instead.  The only way I know
> is DoCmd.SetWarnings False but that's in code.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
> (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
> without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
> there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
> inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
> undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
> superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
> than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
> personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 22:11:59 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 23:11:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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Maybe the maxlocks will. For this I don't want code cuz I just wanted a
quicker way to run a query in view just after editing.

Thanks.
On Dec 4, 2011 11:08 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How are
> you deleting them?
>
> From what I understand if you can use
>
> CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror
> to execute them without messages
>
> or
>
> if necessary (last resort) you can use
>
> With DoCmd
>        .SetWarnings False
>        .OpenQuery "QueryName"
>        .SetWarnings True
> End with
>
> It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well <<
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>
>
> Does any of that help?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE
> Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
> without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
> there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
> inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
> undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
> superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
> than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
> personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 22:26:37 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 04:26:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster
	Delete	Queries
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V58qc-do3t64svHROQixuLz1G43Qko0vuL2Ud5w6YMZ7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE64D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V58qc-do3t64svHROQixuLz1G43Qko0vuL2Ud5w6YMZ7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE68B@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Give it a try Bill.  Although I didn't read anyone who actually had any success with that approach and the message.  It seems it must impact some users as MS have gone to the trouble of publishing that page.  You can turn off warnings at an application level, but I am not sure if that will be effective or not with the undo warning.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 3:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Maybe the maxlocks will. For this I don't want code cuz I just wanted a quicker way to run a query in view just after editing.

Thanks.
On Dec 4, 2011 11:08 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How 
> are you deleting them?
>
> From what I understand if you can use
>
> CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror to execute 
> them without messages
>
> or
>
> if necessary (last resort) you can use
>
> With DoCmd
>        .SetWarnings False
>        .OpenQuery "QueryName"
>        .SetWarnings True
> End with
>
> It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well << 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>
>
> Does any of that help?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE 
> Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete 
> Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back 
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA 
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts 
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, 
> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but 
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior 
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is 
> useless and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec  1 22:34:11 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 22:34:11 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster
	Delete	Queries
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE64D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE64D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <004101ccb0ab$a3f488f0$ebdd9ad0$@comcast.net>

No Messages --> CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries

Hi Bill,

It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How are
you deleting them?

>From what I understand if you can use 

CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror to execute them
without messages

or

if necessary (last resort) you can use

With DoCmd
	.SetWarnings False
	.OpenQuery "QueryName"
	.SetWarnings True
End with

It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well
<<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>

Does any of that help?



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
personally.

TIA.



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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 23:23:47 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 21:23:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.  ;)
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently
>>> can
>>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.
>>>  I
>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>
>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>>>> PDF
>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>
>>>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>>
>>>>> kindle
>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>>> and
>>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>>> Much
>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
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>>>
>>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.
>>>
>>> ****com<http://www.**databaseadvisors.com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Dec  5 06:35:00 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:35:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EDCBA74.70207@colbyconsulting.com>

http://www.ecolibris.net/bnindex.asp

;)

It's unfortunate they stopped graphing the results.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/5/2011 12:23 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.  ;)
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
>>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently
>>>> can
>>>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.
>>>>   I
>>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>
>>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>>>>> PDF
>>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>>>
>>>>>> kindle
>>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>>>> Much
>>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   --
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>
>>
>>


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Mon Dec  5 08:21:33 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:21:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EA8AF852@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Citations? :-)

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 5:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA

Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.

--
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name  matching 
> > algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Dec  5 08:30:26 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 09:30:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>


  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
and an annoyance to me personally.

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From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca  Mon Dec  5 08:37:02 2011
From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:37:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000d01ccb1e7$6ed6bbb0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <CAKvidAsDMjt+e8ub5N14dv0Bm-pYNmWAaEc1PGY4kri1J9jQ6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<000d01ccb1e7$6ed6bbb0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP29F5E9AC3CF73022E0993BC4B50@phx.gbl>

Ed, 
Here is a link showing both Soundex and Levenshtein distance code for vba

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1607690/finding-similar-sounding-text-in-
vba

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


 Thanks Jack.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack
drawbridge
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Mon Dec  5 12:20:45 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:20:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP29F5E9AC3CF73022E0993BC4B50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002401ccb37a$9bd7e0a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and Pat
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


Ed, 
Here is a link showing both Soundex and Levenshtein distance code for
vba

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1607690/finding-similar-sounding-text
-in-
vba

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


 Thanks Jack.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack
drawbridge
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Dec  5 14:42:20 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 15:42:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Of possible interest: Deploying LightSwitch
 Applications to Windows Azure
Message-ID: <86C79486EC244013B7EB9E95C3C0D47E@XPS>


Deploying LightSwitch Applications to Windows Azure

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/hh547097.aspx
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/hh547097.aspx> 
 
 gustav mentioned Lightswitch some time ago.  May be of interest to some
Access developers looking for something else, but don't want to move into
.Net.
 
Jim


From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 15:09:43 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:09:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

There is something that I require to be true, upon testing, or this one
particular form I consider to be dangerous to use. It is a condition
that may change over the session, it is not necessarily a stable
condition during the user session.

I understand it can be tested for on Form Open, and the opening of the
form can then be canceled. But how about afterwards:  For example,
suppose on activation of the form, I want to test the condition again.
According to an error message I just got, I am not allowed to close the
form during the form's events.

I am kinda stumped how to protect myself now, if I cannot make this
check-environment-and-dismiss-form occur on a form's events.

I guess I could have a hidden form checking this on a timed basis but I
am sure that will cause some regrets.

TIA...


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Dec  5 15:43:47 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:43:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Of possible interest: Deploying
	LightSwitch	Applications to Windows Azure
Message-ID: <sedd493c.011@cactus.dk>

Thanks Jim, very promising.

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 05-12-2011 21:42 >>>

Deploying LightSwitch Applications to Windows Azure

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/hh547097.aspx 
 
 gustav mentioned Lightswitch some time ago.  May be of interest to some
Access developers looking for something else, but don't want to move into
.Net.
 
Jim



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 15:51:33 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 13:51:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9AkKa70wGf9GVAM1J16+4zu8jMCNu7NLwKTDTevqd3xg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not clear on what the problem is.  You can close a form from other
events within a form.  What was the message you got and what event were you
trying to use?

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Benson, William (GE Global Research,
consultant) <Benson at ge.com> wrote:

> There is something that I require to be true, upon testing, or this one
> particular form I consider to be dangerous to use. It is a condition
> that may change over the session, it is not necessarily a stable
> condition during the user session.
>
> I understand it can be tested for on Form Open, and the opening of the
> form can then be canceled. But how about afterwards:  For example,
> suppose on activation of the form, I want to test the condition again.
> According to an error message I just got, I am not allowed to close the
> form during the form's events.
>
> I am kinda stumped how to protect myself now, if I cannot make this
> check-environment-and-dismiss-form occur on a form's events.
>
> I guess I could have a hidden form checking this on a timed basis but I
> am sure that will cause some regrets.
>
> TIA...
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 15:55:15 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 07:55:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Presumably when you say "dangerous to use", you are referring to triggering control events 
on the form.   

What happens if you:
1.  build a function which checks for the condition and closes the form if necesary
2. Call the function as the first step in any potentially dangerous control event.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 16:09, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> There is something that I require to be true, upon testing, or this one
> particular form I consider to be dangerous to use. It is a condition
> that may change over the session, it is not necessarily a stable
> condition during the user session.
> 
> I understand it can be tested for on Form Open, and the opening of the
> form can then be canceled. But how about afterwards:  For example,
> suppose on activation of the form, I want to test the condition again.
> According to an error message I just got, I am not allowed to close the
> form during the form's events.
> 
> I am kinda stumped how to protect myself now, if I cannot make this
> check-environment-and-dismiss-form occur on a form's events.
> 
> I guess I could have a hidden form checking this on a timed basis but I
> am sure that will cause some regrets.
> 
> TIA...
> 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 17:14:29 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:14:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDCBA74.70207@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDCBA74.70207@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table and
load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle layout or
feel, so I see no reason to change now.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:35 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> http://www.ecolibris.net/**bnindex.asp<http://www.ecolibris.net/bnindex.asp>
>
>
>
> ;)
>
> It's unfortunate they stopped graphing the results.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/5/2011 12:23 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.
>>>  ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>  Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
>>>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsult**ing.com<http://colbyconsulting.com>
>>>>
>>>> <jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>>
>>>>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently
>>>>> can
>>>>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch
>>>>> screen.
>>>>>  I
>>>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>> PDF
>>>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  kindle
>>>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>>>>> Much
>>>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> **<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> ****com<http://www.**databasea**dvisors.com<http://databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.**databaseadvisors.com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec  5 18:10:08 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:10:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
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I think the one upside of Kindle over a tablet is probably the battery life.  Personally I like a good ol' fashioned book.  I love the way I can read it on the beach and never have to worry about battery issues, screen resolution, reflection or it getting too much salt and sand in the cracks.  I like the tactile book thing too.  The feel of the paper, the smell, the way you can get an idea of where you are in the story visually, and it make an excellent shade over your eyes when you want to have nap - try doing that with your tablet ;)

The can see some upside to kindle and their ilk such as:

1: Environmental (less paper, less supply chain costs, less printing issues, less waste etc)
2: Speed of delivery (usually a lot faster than even FedEx)
3: Weight (books are heavy if you need to carry a lot of them)
4: Searchable: Much faster to search and reference

But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)

Just my thoughts
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server

I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:35 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> http://www.ecolibris.net/**bnindex.asp<http://www.ecolibris.net/bninde
> x.asp>
>
>
>
> ;)
>
> It's unfortunate they stopped graphing the results.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/5/2011 12:23 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, 
>> jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.
>>>  ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>  Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the 
>>> keyboard and
>>>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, 
>>>> jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsult**ing.com<http://colbyconsulting.com>
>>>>
>>>> <jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>>
>>>>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You 
>>>>> apparently can with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual 
>>>>> keyboard and touch screen.
>>>>>  I
>>>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get 
>>>>> books in
>>>>>
>>>>>> PDF
>>>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  kindle
>>>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my 
>>>>>>> desktop and laptop. That way I can share the book between my 
>>>>>>> devices. I like it.
>>>>>>> Much
>>>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> /databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> s.com>
>>>>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 18:20:25 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 10:20:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA25@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA25@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EDD5FC9.21974.4DC27B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

http://www.thinkleadershipideas.com/leadershipideasblog/files/book.php

On 6 Dec 2011 at 0:10, Darryl Collins wrote:


> But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)
> 
> Just my thoughts
> Darryl.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
> 
> I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table
> and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle
> layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now. 
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec  5 18:56:59 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:56:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hehehehe.... exactly.   All jokes aside, the paperback book is in many ways a nearly perfect technology.  It is a bit like the traditional mousetrap or the standard design on the traditional dial telephone.  Some designs are sooo close to being optimal there is little advantage in tweaking them. 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server

http://www.thinkleadershipideas.com/leadershipideasblog/files/book.php

On 6 Dec 2011 at 0:10, Darryl Collins wrote:


> But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)
> 
> Just my thoughts
> Darryl.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
> 
> I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table 
> and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle 
> layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 


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From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 20:41:28 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:41:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Sorry, I cannot make my statement about "dangerous to use" very clear at
this time. Essentially, if the form is open and a certain value has
changed (say, for example, a user's privileges have changed from one
class to another) then I do not want them able to see the form that they
had been looking at. So it was on the activate event that this was to be
checked for.

That is not the exact condition, it is a representative example.

To answer Charlotte's question:

"this action cannot be carried out while processing a form or report
event"

Here is a sample of code you can put in a form that is already opened:

Private Sub Form_Activate()
If 1 = 2 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
End Sub


Launch the form, then deactivate it by opening a different form.

Change the code to
If 1 = 1 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name

Click back on the first form, you will get this error message.



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 21:22:25 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 13:22:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>,
	<4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4EDD8A71.27107.582C7BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You can set me.Visible = False instead of closing the form.

How to garbage collect and subsequently close the hidden form is left as an exercise for the 
reader. :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 21:41, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> Sorry, I cannot make my statement about "dangerous to use" very clear at
> this time. Essentially, if the form is open and a certain value has
> changed (say, for example, a user's privileges have changed from one
> class to another) then I do not want them able to see the form that they
> had been looking at. So it was on the activate event that this was to be
> checked for.
> 
> That is not the exact condition, it is a representative example.
> 
> To answer Charlotte's question:
> 
> "this action cannot be carried out while processing a form or report
> event"
> 
> Here is a sample of code you can put in a form that is already opened:
> 
> Private Sub Form_Activate()
> If 1 = 2 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
> End Sub
> 
> 
> Launch the form, then deactivate it by opening a different form.
> 
> Change the code to
> If 1 = 1 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
> 
> Click back on the first form, you will get this error message.
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 




From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 22:04:22 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:04:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <4EDD8A71.27107.582C7BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>,
	<4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDD8A71.27107.582C7BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F580@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Not a difficult task... but not something I want to resort to. I gave up
:-(

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event

You can set me.Visible = False instead of closing the form.

How to garbage collect and subsequently close the hidden form is left as
an exercise for the reader. :-)

--
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 21:41, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> Sorry, I cannot make my statement about "dangerous to use" very clear 
> at this time. Essentially, if the form is open and a certain value has

> changed (say, for example, a user's privileges have changed from one 
> class to another) then I do not want them able to see the form that 
> they had been looking at. So it was on the activate event that this 
> was to be checked for.
> 
> That is not the exact condition, it is a representative example.
> 
> To answer Charlotte's question:
> 
> "this action cannot be carried out while processing a form or report 
> event"
> 
> Here is a sample of code you can put in a form that is already opened:
> 
> Private Sub Form_Activate()
> If 1 = 2 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name End Sub
> 
> 
> Launch the form, then deactivate it by opening a different form.
> 
> Change the code to
> If 1 = 1 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
> 
> Click back on the first form, you will get this error message.
> 
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



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From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 22:08:44 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:08:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I have a client who feels he will have contractors who will have Access
2010 but (unbelievably) not Outlook on their PCs. So he wanted me to
remove any references to Outlook. Well, thing is, I did not have a
reference to outlook, I had Access sending some tables through
.SendObject, and also I in another situation use Excel's library to
attach and mail a file. I can get both applications to run these steps
with no DLL reference to Outlook, however without taking Outlook itself
off my machine, I cannot really be sure what would happen if the Excel
or Access applications tried these steps with no Outlook. Anyone know?
Will those applications still call some default e-mail client? Will they
just throw off an error? Not process the command?

Pls help me know what to expect, if possible, thanks. 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 22:57:34 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:57:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on the workstation in 
question.  If nothing else has been installed, it is likely to use OE or Windows Mail depending 
on the OS. In my case, it invokes Pegasus Mail.

If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message telling them that they 
need to configure one.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 23:08, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> I have a client who feels he will have contractors who will have Access
> 2010 but (unbelievably) not Outlook on their PCs. So he wanted me to
> remove any references to Outlook. Well, thing is, I did not have a
> reference to outlook, I had Access sending some tables through
> .SendObject, and also I in another situation use Excel's library to
> attach and mail a file. I can get both applications to run these steps
> with no DLL reference to Outlook, however without taking Outlook itself
> off my machine, I cannot really be sure what would happen if the Excel
> or Access applications tried these steps with no Outlook. Anyone know?
> Will those applications still call some default e-mail client? Will they
> just throw off an error? Not process the command?
> 
> Pls help me know what to expect, if possible, thanks. 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 09:04:37 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:04:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>

Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a couple
of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was trivial. I *love
* when that happens!

Arthur

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on the
> workstation in
> question.  If nothing else has been installed, it is likely to use OE or
> Windows Mail depending
> on the OS. In my case, it invokes Pegasus Mail.
>
> If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message
> telling them that they
> need to configure one.
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 09:27:01 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:27:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>

To add to and reinforce your point, even though I have almost all the
Data-Architecture tools available (ERwin, PowerDesigner, DeZign, Rational
DA, etc.), more often than not I resort to a pencil and paper to lay out
the initial sketch. I don't bother describing the columns at this stage --
just the tables and the joins, and I can use the eraser to refine the
Rdefs. When DBs are extremely complex (i.e. several hundred tables) then I
skip the pencil-stage and go directly to PowerDesigner (my choice) or ERwin
(more often the client's choice, despite its inadequacies). But for SMBs,
my first choice remains pencil and paper, where I capture the logic. Maybe
it's similar to painters who first sketch the landscape in pencil and only
afterward return to the studio and the canvas and the palette. Either way,
the fact remains that I understand the pencil-UI way more intuitively than
anything yet invented, including all of the late Steve Jobs's inventions.
Granted, it took a while to learn how to describe a circle and a square and
a triangle, and then to write the alphabet, but I learned all that before
attending First Grade in school, and would imagine that in these days so do
almost all kids.

Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to
recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to
Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children
will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up
smarter.

Arthur

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hehehehe.... exactly.   All jokes aside, the paperback book is in many
> ways a nearly perfect technology.  It is a bit like the traditional
> mousetrap or the standard design on the traditional dial telephone.  Some
> designs are sooo close to being optimal there is little advantage in
> tweaking them.
>
> --
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 13:01:09 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:01:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>

(I think??) I'm glad to hear this!

Thanks for such well informed responses. There are so many things I take
for granted with MS Office installed.
On Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a couple
> of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was trivial. I
> *love
> * when that happens!
>
> Arthur
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
> >wrote:
>
> > SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on the
> > workstation in
> > question.  If nothing else has been installed, it is likely to use OE or
> > Windows Mail depending
> > on the OS. In my case, it invokes Pegasus Mail.
> >
> > If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message
> > telling them that they
> > need to configure one.
> >
> >
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 13:06:44 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:06:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
In-Reply-To: <6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4q1SnEhGzSGJDWRa=rKyAX9UsFBGXEPEZb=PY7S6uNjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Can't wait to try this (but I have to because I am not near PC)... sounds
promising.
On Dec 5, 2011 9:31 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
> (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
> and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
> --
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>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec  6 14:00:06 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:00:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster
	Delete	Queries
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4q1SnEhGzSGJDWRa=rKyAX9UsFBGXEPEZb=PY7S6uNjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>
	<CAGuQ9V4q1SnEhGzSGJDWRa=rKyAX9UsFBGXEPEZb=PY7S6uNjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B08EF93E3F724E0C847331E79F4296C5@XPS>


  Understand that your not turning off the warning, but setting the query so
transactions are not used.

  That means you'll never run out of locks nor will you get the message that
the transaction cannot be undone past a certain point.

  Only do this if you don't care if a failure occurs in the middle execution
and can simply re-run it if that happens.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 02:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries

Can't wait to try this (but I have to because I am not near PC)... sounds
promising.
On Dec 5, 2011 9:31 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
> (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
> and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec  6 16:52:04 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 22:52:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

" Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up smarter."

Looks good, just purchased a copy from Amazon - thanks :)

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 2:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...

To add to and reinforce your point, even though I have almost all the Data-Architecture tools available (ERwin, PowerDesigner, DeZign, Rational DA, etc.), more often than not I resort to a pencil and paper to lay out the initial sketch. I don't bother describing the columns at this stage -- just the tables and the joins, and I can use the eraser to refine the Rdefs. When DBs are extremely complex (i.e. several hundred tables) then I skip the pencil-stage and go directly to PowerDesigner (my choice) or ERwin (more often the client's choice, despite its inadequacies). But for SMBs, my first choice remains pencil and paper, where I capture the logic. Maybe it's similar to painters who first sketch the landscape in pencil and only afterward return to the studio and the canvas and the palette. Either way, the fact remains that I understand the pencil-UI way more intuitively than anything yet invented, including all of the late Steve Jobs's inventions.
Granted, it took a while to learn how to describe a circle and a square and a triangle, and then to write the alphabet, but I learned all that before attending First Grade in school, and would imagine that in these days so do almost all kids.

Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up smarter.

Arthur

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hehehehe.... exactly.   All jokes aside, the paperback book is in many
> ways a nearly perfect technology.  It is a bit like the traditional 
> mousetrap or the standard design on the traditional dial telephone.  
> Some designs are sooo close to being optimal there is little advantage 
> in tweaking them.
>
> --
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing
--
AccessD mailing list
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec  6 17:00:21 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 23:00:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EECAF@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Bill,

You are likely to find this more and more these days as MS Outlook is no longer a standard part of every version of Office these days - rather it is only available on the more costly versions.   You can buy it separately if you wish.  Of course costs vary wildly around the world and here in Oz (Australia) we get ripped pretty badly on prices - so to purchase MS Outlook as a stand-alone product is an additional $180 AUD over and above the cost of the MS office suite (assuming the version you purchased doesn't come with an Outlook License).  Many folks or small businesses, who just want an email client or two, decide it ain't worth the cost and swap to Thunderbird, Pegasus or even Gmail instead.

For the curious... here is what MS Office product cost in AUD (keep in mind that the AUD is worth approx 1.02 USD at the moment - so pretty much parity).

<< http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Technology/Software/Microsoft-Office>>

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 6:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present

(I think??) I'm glad to hear this!

Thanks for such well informed responses. There are so many things I take for granted with MS Office installed.
On Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a 
> couple of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was 
> trivial. I *love
> * when that happens!
>
> Arthur
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan 
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
> >wrote:
>
> > SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on 
> > the workstation in question.  If nothing else has been installed, it 
> > is likely to use OE or Windows Mail depending on the OS. In my case, 
> > it invokes Pegasus Mail.
> >
> > If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message 
> > telling them that they need to configure one.
> >
> >
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Dec  6 17:01:00 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:01:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for
	FasterDelete	Queries
In-Reply-To: <B08EF93E3F724E0C847331E79F4296C5@XPS>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com><6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS><CAGuQ9V4q1SnEhGzSGJDWRa=rKyAX9UsFBGXEPEZb=PY7S6uNjQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C13022B794E@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I accept the warning. I am much more concerned that deleting records
from an open query or table has such an undo feature. Once I have pulled
the trigger on a delete query, I have already done my homework.

Really.

Famous last words.

Thanks again!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for FasterDelete
Queries


  Understand that your not turning off the warning, but setting the
query so transactions are not used.

  That means you'll never run out of locks nor will you get the message
that the transaction cannot be undone past a certain point.

  Only do this if you don't care if a failure occurs in the middle
execution and can simply re-run it if that happens.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Benson
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 02:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries

Can't wait to try this (but I have to because I am not near PC)...
sounds promising.
On Dec 5, 2011 9:31 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, 
> William (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back 
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA 
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts 
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,

> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but 
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior 
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is 
> useless and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Dec  6 17:09:51 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:09:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EECAF@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com><4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com><CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EECAF@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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That's a lot of dough!

Very glad to be kept informed of issues like this Darryl, thanks for
taking the time to add. I find it harder and harder, since working
mostly from home, to keep abreast of what's going on; very gratified for
others weighing in on such matters. Another issue lately is retention. I
just took a battery of tests through a psychological testing company,
and one of the things I found out is that with a lot of detail, my brain
needs a few passes before anything sinks in enough to recall it later.
If one has to solve a problem, hunts around on Google for a solution,
plops it in and the program works ... forget about remembering it. If I
have to mess with it and mess with it til it finally works, there is a
chance. Maybe to a degree this is a lot of folk, not just me - but I
have seen a marked decrease in what I can retain over only a few short
years. This is my long way of saying "I may ask this again some time"
and please, please don't take it as a sign of not paying attention. You
can see by the fact that I have read and replied, that I was at least in
the here and now, paying attention.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl
Collins
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present

Bill,

You are likely to find this more and more these days as MS Outlook is no
longer a standard part of every version of Office these days - rather it
is only available on the more costly versions.   You can buy it
separately if you wish.  Of course costs vary wildly around the world
and here in Oz (Australia) we get ripped pretty badly on prices - so to
purchase MS Outlook as a stand-alone product is an additional $180 AUD
over and above the cost of the MS office suite (assuming the version you
purchased doesn't come with an Outlook License).  Many folks or small
businesses, who just want an email client or two, decide it ain't worth
the cost and swap to Thunderbird, Pegasus or even Gmail instead.

For the curious... here is what MS Office product cost in AUD (keep in
mind that the AUD is worth approx 1.02 USD at the moment - so pretty
much parity).

<<
http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Technology/Software/Micros
oft-Office>>

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Benson
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 6:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present

(I think??) I'm glad to hear this!

Thanks for such well informed responses. There are so many things I take
for granted with MS Office installed.
On Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a 
> couple of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was 
> trivial. I *love
> * when that happens!
>
> Arthur
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan 
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
> >wrote:
>
> > SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on 
> > the workstation in question.  If nothing else has been installed, it

> > is likely to use OE or Windows Mail depending on the OS. In my case,

> > it invokes Pegasus Mail.
> >
> > If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message

> > telling them that they need to configure one.
> >
> >
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From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 17:27:16 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:27:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUH71=6kRLsFpQXUJLjtuTD=ck-oBxqxDAW-C_oHjsZSg@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Benson, William:
> I accept the warning. I am much more concerned that deleting records
> from an open query or table has such an undo feature. Once I have pulled
> the trigger on a delete query, I have already done my homework.
>
> Really.
>
> Famous last words.
>
> Thanks again!
>

I take it that you are running the delete queries from the interface.

Have you tried: Tools -> Options -> Edit/Find Tab -> Turning off Confirm
options: Record Changes, Document Deletions, Action Queries?

This should turn off all the safeties. I mean really, what could possibly
go wrong? ;)

-Ken

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 19:49:54 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 20:49:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jrxvi4ZjXqFu2sfsoZKL3pzZ3JpFFHLEvGn_jx1O6CgA@mail.gmail.com>

It's an awesome work, IMO. I'm certain that you will love it, and your kids
will get the best possible intro to the world of math, not to mention such
things as the reason why some plants have opposing branches while others
have spiraling branches, and a zillion other topics too.

Have fun! I know you will.

A.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> " Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to
> recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to
> Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children
> will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up
> smarter."
>
> Looks good, just purchased a copy from Amazon - thanks :)
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
>

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 00:54:44 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 01:54:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUH71=6kRLsFpQXUJLjtuTD=ck-oBxqxDAW-C_oHjsZSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUH71=6kRLsFpQXUJLjtuTD=ck-oBxqxDAW-C_oHjsZSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6GtTr4m5HrVWhxs_x=gG+wiVXXt3EK17VaKG4tLOpwqg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ken. I want the option for the current query only; that would I think
affect other queries...?
On Dec 6, 2011 6:28 PM, "Kenneth Ismert" <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Benson, William:
> > I accept the warning. I am much more concerned that deleting records
> > from an open query or table has such an undo feature. Once I have pulled
> > the trigger on a delete query, I have already done my homework.
> >
> > Really.
> >
> > Famous last words.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
>
> I take it that you are running the delete queries from the interface.
>
> Have you tried: Tools -> Options -> Edit/Find Tab -> Turning off Confirm
> options: Record Changes, Document Deletions, Action Queries?
>
> This should turn off all the safeties. I mean really, what could possibly
> go wrong? ;)
>
> -Ken
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 01:29:13 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 02:29:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4Vvsi8DqN5-BDKOJ0dm_JgJHGggVq=0oC6bny6j6=5Yg@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if the original website registration ran out and got scooped up by
a competition
On Dec 1, 2011 6:29 PM, "Doug Steele" <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:

> I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
> > same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
> > following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near
> the
> > bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to
> click
> > the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
> > big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
> >
> > T
> >
> > Tina Norris Fields
> > tinanfields at torchlake.com
> > 231-322-2787
> >
> >
> > On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> >
> >> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a
> site
> >> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
> >>
> >> Charlotte Foust
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
> >> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
> >>
> >>  When I try to find paint.net
> >>>
> >>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
> >>> T
> >>>
> >>> Tina Norris Fields
> >>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> >>> 231-322-2787
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
> >>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Will download and have a look.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Darryl.
> >>>>
> >>>>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Dec  7 15:10:57 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:10:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such as
	Fences)
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
quite useful.

Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.

I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
AccessD Archive to work.

Does anyone have the original post or the link?

Thanks,
Brad


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 15:15:47 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:15:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such as
	Fences)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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Here's a link to a later post on the subject of useful software from Scott
Hanselman:

http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feedburner.com%2FScottHanselman

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
> info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
> had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
> quite useful.
>
> Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.
>
> I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
> AccessD Archive to work.
>
> Does anyone have the original post or the link?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Dec  7 15:20:29 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:20:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such
	asFences)
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAFa8Nkg7QwtOVGS5Xmron+UjwHurwv_WU87JJS5JH6h+CevLqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6E4@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Doug,

Thanks.

I owe ya a beer!

Brad

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities
(such asFences)

Here's a link to a later post on the subject of useful software from
Scott
Hanselman:

http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feed
burner.com%2FScottHanselman

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
> info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
> had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
> quite useful.
>
> Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.
>
> I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
> AccessD Archive to work.
>
> Does anyone have the original post or the link?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Dec  7 15:33:11 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:33:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>

Dear Friends,

Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field 
in the students table in the first place.  There's a story behind this 
and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, 
this time.  This all began as a little database for a counselor friend 
of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were 
responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did 
make a lookup field in the students table that had a value list - just 
the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would 
ultimately be other counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.

When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and 
a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I overlooked the existing 
references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the 
reports.  So, when I saw that records were not appearing for the new 
counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to 
force updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID 
selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries and all the 
reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is 
the only real solution.

I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you 
all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be doing THAT!!!"  You are 
right.  I won't do it again.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the 
> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor 
> to placed in the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found 
> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be 
> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>

From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 15:44:43 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:44:43 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such
	asFences)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6E4@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAFa8Nkg7QwtOVGS5Xmron+UjwHurwv_WU87JJS5JH6h+CevLqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6E4@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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I will gladly accept one!

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Doug,
>
> Thanks.
>
> I owe ya a beer!
>
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities
> (such asFences)
>
> Here's a link to a later post on the subject of useful software from
> Scott
> Hanselman:
>
> http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feed
> burner.com%2FScottHanselman
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
> > info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
> > had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
> > quite useful.
> >
> > Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.
> >
> > I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
> > AccessD Archive to work.
> >
> > Does anyone have the original post or the link?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 16:49:07 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:49:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com> <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

" and in my heart of hearts I did know it."

Heh... You know Tina, over the years I have had many of these moments, and in every instance it has come back to bite me.  And the longer you leave it, the greater the pain.  These days when I get that feeling, I make sure I fix the problem immediately - even if it seems like a lot of unnecessary work.  I guess the golden rule is nothing should be fixed and everything can (and probably will) change.

I have a great example of "months in the year"  Sure, everyone knows they should be 12, but I had one year, in one company where they had to make it 11 months in a year instead  - they need to do this as the company had been purchased by another company who used a different report cycle.  To get the cycles aligned they had to effective drop a month.  In short,  everyone who had stuff hardcoded regarding months and periods etc had a lot of work to do...  A good example of something that will never ever change, changing.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Dear Friends,

Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field in the students table in the first place.  There's a story behind this and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, this time.  This all began as a little database for a counselor friend of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did make a lookup field in the students table that had a value list - just the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would ultimately be other counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.

When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I overlooked the existing references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the reports.  So, when I saw that records were not appearing for the new counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to force updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries and all the reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is the only real solution.

I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be doing THAT!!!"  You are right.  I won't do it again.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the 
> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor 
> to placed in the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found 
> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be 
> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Dec  7 17:04:15 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:04:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com> <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EDFF0EF.7000202@torchlake.com>

Darryl,
Thanks, that is a terrific story.  Yes, I think I finally have this 
lesson learned.  :-)
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/7/2011 5:49 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> " and in my heart of hearts I did know it."
>
> Heh... You know Tina, over the years I have had many of these moments, and in every instance it has come back to bite me.  And the longer you leave it, the greater the pain.  These days when I get that feeling, I make sure I fix the problem immediately - even if it seems like a lot of unnecessary work.  I guess the golden rule is nothing should be fixed and everything can (and probably will) change.
>
> I have a great example of "months in the year"  Sure, everyone knows they should be 12, but I had one year, in one company where they had to make it 11 months in a year instead  - they need to do this as the company had been purchased by another company who used a different report cycle.  To get the cycles aligned they had to effective drop a month.  In short,  everyone who had stuff hardcoded regarding months and periods etc had a lot of work to do...  A good example of something that will never ever change, changing.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
> Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 8:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field in the students table in the first place.  There's a story behind this and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, this time.  This all began as a little database for a counselor friend of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did make a lookup field in the students table that had a value list - just the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would ultimately be other counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.
>
> When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I overlooked the existing references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the reports.  So, when I saw that records were not appearing for the new counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to force updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries and all the reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is the only real solution.
>
> I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be doing THAT!!!"  You are right.  I won't do it again.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who
>> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the
>> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor
>> to placed in the student's record.
>>
>> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
>> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to
>> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found
>> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>>
>> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be
>> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> T
>>

From djkr at msn.com  Wed Dec  7 17:11:59 2011
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:11:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>

A place I worked for a while had Christmas Day fall in the fourth half of the third month, for similar reasons - yes,
the *fourth* half!  Never assume anything ...

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: 07 December 2011 22:49
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved


" and in my heart of hearts I did know it."

Heh... You know Tina, over the years I have had many of these moments, and in every instance it has come back to bite
me.  And the longer you leave it, the greater the pain.  These days when I get that feeling, I make sure I fix the
problem immediately - even if it seems like a lot of unnecessary work.  I guess the golden rule is nothing should be
fixed and everything can (and probably will) change.

I have a great example of "months in the year"  Sure, everyone knows they should be 12, but I had one year, in one
company where they had to make it 11 months in a year instead  - they need to do this as the company had been purchased
by another company who used a different report cycle.  To get the cycles aligned they had to effective drop a month.  In
short,  everyone who had stuff hardcoded regarding months and periods etc had a lot of work to do...  A good example of
something that will never ever change, changing.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Dear Friends,

Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field in the students table in the first place.
There's a story behind this and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, this time.  This all
began as a little database for a counselor friend of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were
responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did make a lookup field in the students table that
had a value list - just the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would ultimately be other
counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.

When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I
overlooked the existing references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the reports.  So, when I saw
that records were not appearing for the new counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to force
updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries
and all the reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is the only real solution.

I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be
doing THAT!!!"  You are right.  I won't do it again.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the 
> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor 
> to placed in the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found 
> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be
> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Dec  7 17:29:33 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:29:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EDFF6DD.9050605@torchlake.com>

Thank you, Arthur.  I have just ordered the book.

"Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to
recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to
Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children
will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up
smarter."


T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 17:33:02 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:33:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 17:43:22 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:43:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77efqzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>

Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system
resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu
building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple
dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I
discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a
weekly screen before it would work.

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms
> are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case
> there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of
> it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search
> that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus
> Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I
> double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I
> finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit
> some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) -
> this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually
> only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they
> are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are
> also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted
> with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the
> problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 17:59:26 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:59:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
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	<CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77efqzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Alright.  That sounds like a possible suspect.  I can make a start by unbinding the forms, not hard to do but a bit more coding work.  Heh, Hey Tina.  Thinking of you right now.  I was thinking when I started this - "leaving them bound is fast and easy, but I really should do them unbound like I usually do.  naah it will be ok..." :)

Here is a great example of what I am talking about.  Got a blank version of this database - no data in any of the table.  Been compacted and reopened after deleting the data - copied 40 lines of data (x 2 columns - so 80 fields of simple data data in all) into a table.  Get a "out of resources" message.  Blah!  Oddly it still copies the data in ok, once I press "ok" on the warning msgbox.

*Sigh*.  Will start to unbind the buggers and see if that helps - change to a JIT approach instead.

Thanks Doug! 

Cheers
D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who 
> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to 
> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no 
> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  
> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or 
> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started 
> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in 
> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save 
> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some 
> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets 
> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open 
> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing 
> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found 
> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am 
> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks 
> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users 
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  
> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I 
> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, 
> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is 
> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? 
> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is 
> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via 
> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and 
> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of 
> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with 
> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 
> records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being 
> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will 
> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> >
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 18:05:42 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 00:05:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77efqzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77efqzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Aaah, I dunno.  It is sooo damn random.    Sometimes the same database will function for hours without issue.  This morning, it is it misbehaving almost immediately.  Restarted the app and now it is purring along like a little kitten - no errors or anything.  Sheesh.   I don't mind things not working, but it is so much easier to find the problem when there are consistent symptoms.  It is the seemingly randomness that does my head in.  Just when I get relaxed about it, it will fail.   



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who 
> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to 
> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no 
> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  
> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or 
> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started 
> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in 
> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save 
> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some 
> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets 
> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open 
> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing 
> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found 
> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am 
> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks 
> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users 
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  
> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I 
> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, 
> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is 
> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? 
> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is 
> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via 
> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and 
> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of 
> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with 
> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 
> records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being 
> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will 
> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> >
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec  7 18:40:01 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:40:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <001601ccb541$ebc7bfe0$c3573fa0$@net>

37 tab multipage control ? That's HUGE.

I had horrible experience with multipage in 2007....
I am sure the same bugs have been carried thru to 2010.
Multipage was very "touchy"....especially during design mode.
I could easily crash Access consistently just by moving controls around.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec  7 19:03:11 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 11:03:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EE00CCF.25250.F500EBF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Too many open connections with all of those listboxes and subforms?


On 7 Dec 2011 at 23:33, Darryl Collins wrote:
> 
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which
> has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small
> datasets. 
> 



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 19:16:56 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 01:16:56 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE00CCF.25250.F500EBF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4EE00CCF.25250.F500EBF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF391@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks guys.  That is the angle I am taking.  Even though I have worked on databases with many more bound controls et al, it seems this is the most likely suspect for these issues. Going to unbound everything and use value only lists in the list boxes. Luckily I have all code to do this fairly quickly.  Should only take a couple of days.

Will let you know how it goes.

Cheers
d

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 12:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Too many open connections with all of those listboxes and subforms?


On 7 Dec 2011 at 23:33, Darryl Collins wrote:
> 
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small 
> datasets.
> 


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 23:22:04 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 00:22:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hqMbUhc7Qwrhqek2PjZWph7E1upE_n7YUs6r7OQK37rw@mail.gmail.com>

I've got one like this, too. (Don't we all?)

Way back when, I did an app for an insurance company's pension fund arm.
The app worked just fine and everyone was happy, save one problem.
(Preamble: pension funds come and go.) Everything was rock-solid save one
particular report, about 90% of whose data was correct but the remainder
was wonky. I fought this problem on and off for about 6 weeks, to no avail.
Then one day in a meeting, someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day
years. They just wrote off the other 5.26 days as if they didn't exist.
Hence, on about 10& of the records, depending on calendar dates of the
relevant funds, the reports were a few dollars out there and there. Once
this was explained, I commented out all my clever date calculations (e.g.
365.26 is how to anticipate leap years) and pretended the world was flat,
and automagically all the data conformed to the flat earth. Whew! At last,
I was free to find a real job.

A.

From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 07:38:12 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 08:38:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hqMbUhc7Qwrhqek2PjZWph7E1upE_n7YUs6r7OQK37rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>
	<CAEPJO1hqMbUhc7Qwrhqek2PjZWph7E1upE_n7YUs6r7OQK37rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008301ccb5ae$a1bac290$e53047b0$@net>

Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"

Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
back in the requirements definition.
The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
coding.

So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?




From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec  8 07:47:23 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 07:47:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this -
	resolved)
Message-ID: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>

Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
plans - no matter how good the builders are!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"

Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
back in the requirements definition.
The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
coding.

So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  8 08:18:12 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 09:18:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Compression - interesting read
Message-ID: <4EE0C724.1040604@colbyconsulting.com>


http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlserverstorageengine/archive/2008/01/18/what-is-page-compression.aspx

-- 
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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  8 08:29:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 09:29:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
Message-ID: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>

I had to go find this...

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlserverstorageengine/archive/2008/01/18/details-on-page-compression-page-dictionary.aspx

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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  8 08:31:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 09:31:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <008301ccb5ae$a1bac290$e53047b0$@net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>
	<CAEPJO1hqMbUhc7Qwrhqek2PjZWph7E1upE_n7YUs6r7OQK37rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008301ccb5ae$a1bac290$e53047b0$@net>
Message-ID: <4EE0CA3F.3020100@colbyconsulting.com>

 > So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?

This is not either / or.  Problems on either end can be just as devastating.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/8/2011 8:38 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
>
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
> back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
> coding.
>
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
>
>
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  8 09:07:54 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:07:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF041@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77ef
	qzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF041@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>

Thanks for keeping me company, Darryl.  I'm going to make up a plaque 
that says something like NEVER, NEVER DO IT THE FAST AND EASY WAY.  
LATER ON IT IS GOING TO BITE YOU IN THE SIT-DOWN!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/7/2011 6:59 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Alright.  That sounds like a possible suspect.  I can make a start by unbinding the forms, not hard to do but a bit more coding work.  Heh, Hey Tina.  Thinking of you right now.  I was thinking when I started this - "leaving them bound is fast and easy, but I really should do them unbound like I usually do.  naah it will be ok..." :)
>
> Here is a great example of what I am talking about.  Got a blank version of this database - no data in any of the table.  Been compacted and reopened after deleting the data - copied 40 lines of data (x 2 columns - so 80 fields of simple data data in all) into a table.  Get a "out of resources" message.  Blah!  Oddly it still copies the data in ok, once I press "ok" on the warning msgbox.
>
> *Sigh*.  Will start to unbind the buggers and see if that helps - change to a JIT approach instead.
>
> Thanks Doug!
>
> Cheers
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
> 2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
> connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.
>
> Doug
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins<  darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>>
>> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who
>> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to
>> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no
>> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).
>> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or
>> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>>
>> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which
>> has
>> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the
>> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but
>> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>>
>> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started
>> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in
>> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save
>> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some
>> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets
>> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open
>> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing
>> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
>>
>> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found
>> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am
>> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks
>> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>>
>> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
>> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>>
>> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.
>> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I
>> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now,
>> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>>
>> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is
>> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF?
>> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is
>> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via
>> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>>   But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and
>> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of
>> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with
>> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10
>> records out of a total of 50
>> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being
>> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will
>> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>>
>> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> Darryl Collins
>> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
>> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
>> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>>
>> p: +61 3 9898 3242
>> m: +61 418 381 548
>> f: +61 3 9898 1855
>> e:
>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
>> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  8 09:18:52 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:18:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDD5FC9.21974.4DC27B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA25@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4EDD5FC9.21974.4DC27B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EE0D55C.50508@torchlake.com>

Love it!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/5/2011 7:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> http://www.thinkleadershipideas.com/leadershipideasblog/files/book.php
>
> On 6 Dec 2011 at 0:10, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>
>> But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)
>>
>> Just my thoughts
>> Darryl.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>>
>> I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table
>> and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle
>> layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now.
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 10:49:36 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 11:49:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have
one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I
would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you
use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count
towards the 255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37
tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are
bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there
is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that
it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access
thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double
checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished
with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will
fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some
sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is
where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all
the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is
open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all
set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing
bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort
of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort
of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is
going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
f: +61 3 9898 1855
e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 10:54:21 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 02:54:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this -
	resolved)
In-Reply-To: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EE0EBBD.18032.12B6B59A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

But if you are using Agile methodolgies, that requirement may not be identified until some 
distance down the track.    Building  Flexibility into your design is just as important and 
analysis and coding :-)


On 8 Dec 2011 at 7:47, Dan Waters wrote:

> Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
> plans - no matter how good the builders are!
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
> 
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
> 
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
> back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
> coding.
> 
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
> 
> 
> 
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Dec  8 10:57:25 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 11:57:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Jim,

Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about importing the form into another MDB file?

Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count towards the 255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
f: +61 3 9898 1855
e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 11:03:49 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 03:03:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF041@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Like the "fast and easy"  function I put in an A97 application that I built years ago which  is still 
in use

Functiion Wait(secs as long) as long
DIm t as Single
t = timer
Do
Doevents
Loop until timer = t + secs
End Function

It worked fine for years until a couple of  months ago when they ran a monthly process late at 
night and the Wait function was in the middle of the loop at midnight :-(

-- 
Stuart

On 8 Dec 2011 at 10:07, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> Thanks for keeping me company, Darryl.  I'm going to make up a plaque 
> that says something like NEVER, NEVER DO IT THE FAST AND EASY WAY.  
> LATER ON IT IS GOING TO BITE YOU IN THE SIT-DOWN!
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> 
> On 12/7/2011 6:59 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> > Alright.  That sounds like a possible suspect.  I can make a start by unbinding the forms, not hard to do but a bit more coding work.  Heh, Hey Tina.  Thinking of you right now.  I was thinking when I started this - "leaving them bound is fast and easy, but I really should do them unbound like I usually do.  naah it will be ok..." :)
> >
> > Here is a great example of what I am talking about.  Got a blank version of this database - no data in any of the table.  Been compacted and reopened after deleting the data - copied 40 lines of data (x 2 columns - so 80 fields of simple data data in all) into a table.  Get a "out of resources" message.  Blah!  Oddly it still copies the data in ok, once I press "ok" on the warning msgbox.
> >
> > *Sigh*.  Will start to unbind the buggers and see if that helps - change to a JIT approach instead.
> >
> > Thanks Doug!
> >
> > Cheers
> > D
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> > Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
> >
> > Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
> > 2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
> > connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins<  darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
> >>
> >> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who
> >> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to
> >> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no
> >> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).
> >> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or
> >> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
> >>
> >> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which
> >> has
> >> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the
> >> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but
> >> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
> >>
> >> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started
> >> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in
> >> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save
> >> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some
> >> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets
> >> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open
> >> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing
> >> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
> >>
> >> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found
> >> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am
> >> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks
> >> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
> >>
> >> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> >> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
> >>
> >> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.
> >> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I
> >> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now,
> >> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
> >>
> >> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is
> >> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF?
> >> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is
> >> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via
> >> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
> >>   But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and
> >> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of
> >> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with
> >> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10
> >> records out of a total of 50
> >> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being
> >> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will
> >> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
> >>
> >> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Darryl.
> >>
> >> Darryl Collins
> >> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> >> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> >> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
> >>
> >> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> >> m: +61 418 381 548
> >> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> >> e:
> >> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> >> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
> >>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 11:05:23 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:05:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkg2g9XvPfsHrPEVhafDRO+3PK0f1XKVNSk7qarKfDtxbw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim:

Thanks for correcting my answer - my memory didn't serve me well.  The
problem with my mighty recipe database was the control count.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Couple of comments:
>
> 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only
> have
> one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
> currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
> into the 255 user limit there.
>
> 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
> used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and
> I
> would guess that's what your running into.
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> you didn't run into that one.
>
> 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
> This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as
> you
> use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
> connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will
> count
> towards the 255 limit.
>
> HTH,
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37
> tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are
> bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there
> is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of
> it.
> Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that
> it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access
> thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double
> checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished
> with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> will
> fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some
> sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is
> where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all
> the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1
> is
> open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all
> set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing
> bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that
> sort
> of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that
> sort
> of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what
> is
> going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Dec  8 13:29:15 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:29:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
	-resolved)
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

"Weeks of Computer Programming Can Save You Hours of Planning"  

:-)







-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
-resolved)

Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
plans - no matter how good the builders are!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"

Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out
way
back in the requirements definition.
The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by
crappy
coding.

So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?



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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Thu Dec  8 14:02:59 2011
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 21:02:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do
	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <A921102295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>

Oh what a wonderful statement!
Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Brad Marks
Sendt: 8. december 2011 20:29
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this-resolved)

"Weeks of Computer Programming Can Save You Hours of Planning"  

:-)




From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec  8 14:46:56 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:46:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
	-	resolved)
In-Reply-To: <4EE0EBBD.18032.12B6B59A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<4EE0EBBD.18032.12B6B59A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001301ccb5ea$866c7010$93455030$@comcast.net>

By Definition, if you are using Agile, building flexibility into your design
is one of the developer's requirements!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this -
resolved)

But if you are using Agile methodolgies, that requirement may not be
identified until some 
distance down the track.    Building  Flexibility into your design is just
as important and 
analysis and coding :-)


On 8 Dec 2011 at 7:47, Dan Waters wrote:

> Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with 
> bad plans - no matter how good the builders are!
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
> 
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
> 
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out 
> way back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by 
> crappy coding.
> 
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
> 
> 
> 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 14:52:02 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:52:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF041@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>
	<4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>

I love this story !!!

> Like the "fast and easy"  function I put in an A97 application that I
> built years ago which  is still
> in use
>
> Function Wait(secs as long) as long
> DIm t as Single
> t = timer
> Do
> Doevents
> Loop until timer = t + secs
> End Function
>
> It worked fine for years until a couple of  months ago when they ran a
> monthly process late at
> night and the Wait function was in the middle of the loop at midnight



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 15:06:41 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 07:06:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>
Message-ID: <4EE126E1.21363.139DBBA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep, there was "no way" that this would ever be run other than over a couple of hours during 
a normal work day. :-)

-- 
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On 8 Dec 2011 at 15:52, Mark Simms wrote:

> I love this story !!!
> 
> > Like the "fast and easy"  function I put in an A97 application that I
> > built years ago which  is still
> > in use
> >
> > Function Wait(secs as long) as long
> > DIm t as Single
> > t = timer
> > Do
> > Doevents
> > Loop until timer = t + secs
> > End Function
> >
> > It worked fine for years until a couple of  months ago when they ran a
> > monthly process late at
> > night and the Wait function was in the middle of the loop at midnight
> 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 15:29:21 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:29:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>

Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control count
is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change a
thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then you
have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
Charlotte Foust
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
> reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
> count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
> importing the form into another MDB file?
>
> Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
>
>  Couple of comments:
>
> 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only
> have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
> currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
> into the 255 user limit there.
>
> 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
> used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and
> I would guess that's what your running into.
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> you didn't run into that one.
>
> 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
> This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as
> you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
> connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will
> count towards the 255 limit.
>
> HTH,
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms
> are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case
> there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
> Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search
> that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus
> Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I
> double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I
> finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit
> some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) -
> this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually
> only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they
> are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are
> also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted
> with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the
> problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au
>
> <http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/
>
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 16:07:32 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 08:07:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE13524.23286.13D57150@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That was one of the benefits of EatBloat.

One way to reset the control count  is Application.SaveAsText/LoadFromText.

-- 
Stuart

On 8 Dec 2011 at 13:29, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control count
> is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change a
> thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then you
> have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
> Charlotte Foust
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Heenan, Lambert <
> Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:
> 
> > Jim,
> >
> > Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
> > reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
> > count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
> > importing the form into another MDB file?
> >
> > Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit.
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
> >
> >
> >  Couple of comments:
> >
> > 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only
> > have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
> > currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
> > into the 255 user limit there.
> >
> > 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
> > used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and
> > I would guess that's what your running into.
> >
> > 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> > big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> > does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> > you didn't run into that one.
> >
> > 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
> > This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as
> > you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
> > connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will
> > count towards the 255 limit.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> > Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
> >
> > I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> > it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> > with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> > connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> > tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> > processing at all - basic stuff.
> >
> > The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has
> > 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms
> > are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case
> > there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
> >
> > For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> > error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> > another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
> > Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search
> > that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus
> > Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I
> > double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I
> > finished with them.
> >
> > Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> > piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> > that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> > couple of modules so hard to say:
> >
> > "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> > CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
> >
> > This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> > wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> > could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> > two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
> >
> > The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> > don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> > will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit
> > some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) -
> > this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
> >  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually
> > only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they
> > are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are
> > also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50
> > - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted
> > with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the
> > problem, but what is going here?
> >
> > Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> > Darryl Collins
> > Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> > Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> > Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
> >
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Dec  8 16:54:41 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 02:54:41 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Compression_Interesting_read_-_part_2?=
In-Reply-To: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>

Hi John --

Yes, this PAGE compression feature makes using natural keys for OLAP systems more preferable than using surrogate keys..

Thank you.

-- Shamil.


08 ??????? 2011, 18:31 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> I had to go find this...
> 
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlserverstorageengine/archive/2008/01/18/details-on-page-compression-page-dictionary.aspx
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
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> when you do not believe in it
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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 17:15:30 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:15:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWyC9Ee5FQSGMBXZFuMzvP-7sgFXy1gM334dz4wE7O9vQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Heenan, Lambert:
>
> Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
> reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
> count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
> importing the form into another MDB file?
>
> Jim Dettman:
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> you didn't run into that one.
>

There is one moderately sneaky way around this limit.  Steps:

1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
and 'text234'.

2. Count the number of controls on your form. With the form in design view,
enter this in the Immediate window:
    ? Forms("frmFoo").Controls.Count

2. Save the form as text, using this command:
    Application.SaveAsText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
edit it to the number of controls +1:
        ItemSuffix =128

4. Backup your Access file. Delete the problem form. Compact & Repair.

5. Import the form using:
    Application.LoadFromText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

You should now be able to add new controls to your previously 'stuck' form.

It is a little work, but probably less than copying all the controls, code
and properties over to a new form.

-Ken

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 17:26:19 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 09:26:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
In-Reply-To: <E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how data page 
compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Dec 2011 at 2:54, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> Hi John --
> 
> Yes, this PAGE compression feature makes using natural keys for OLAP
> systems more preferable than using surrogate keys.. 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil.
> 



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec  8 17:45:35 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:45:35 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55F062E@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Well,  Yes and no.   If you are at the absolute limit because you have > 754 controls then you are screwed - and moving to a new form won't help at all.

On an existing form that is corrupt or crashing though, there is hope.  Access forms are a bit stupid it seems when it comes to counting controls.  If you have a single form and add 753 controls, Save the form.  Then you delete the controls and add another 5.  Then the form will crash even though there are only 5 controls on the form.  Trouble is,  the control count is absolute and doesn't decrease when you delete controls - everytime you add a control it adds 1 to the count regardless of if the control still exists or not.

This is highly bothersome if you consistently copy a default type form and then remove and add new controls.  Sooner or later you hit the limit regardless of the number of controls on the form.

In this instance importing the controls into a brand new form DOES help, as the control count starts a zero on a new form.

Many times, on control heavy forms I have used this to get out of bother.  Now why they have the limit, and why it doesn't decrease when delete controls is a question for someone deep in the MS bunker, Redmond WA USA.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control count is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change a thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then you have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
Charlotte Foust
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count 
> gets reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a 
> controls count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? 
> What about importing the form into another MDB file?
>
> Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
>
>  Couple of comments:
>
> 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should 
> only have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always 
> using currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your 
> bumping into the 255 user limit there.
>
> 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID 
> is used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is 
> huge and I would guess that's what your running into.
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch 
> how big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a 
> control does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments 
> it).  Surprised you didn't run into that one.
>
> 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection 
> This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long 
> as you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open 
> ADO connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and 
> will count towards the 255 limit.
>
> HTH,
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl 
> Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who 
> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to 
> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no 
> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  
> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or 
> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started 
> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in 
> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
> Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search 
> that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus 
> Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I 
> double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I 
> finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found 
> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am 
> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks 
> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users 
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  
> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I 
> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, 
> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is 
> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? 
> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is 
> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via 
> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and 
> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of 
> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with 
> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 
> records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being 
> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will 
> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec  8 17:52:53 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:52:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Jim,

Many thanks.  Yep, Point 1 was initially my main concern with using 37 tabs on a single form. I was aware of the control limit on forms and have hit it many times in the past, but usually due to the issue I mentioned in the other post (control count not adjusting when controls are deleted etc).

I feel point 2 is probably what is happening.  2048 sound like a big number, but if every listbox is bound then you can gobble them up rather quickly.  I need to leave some of the subforms bound as I am using them as datasheet views.  However, yesterday I bit the bullet and did what I should have done from day 1 and converted all of the listboxes to Value lists only (waves at Tina ;)).

Whilst I was running out of enthusiasm with the huge shebang and I need to test it a lot more, the database didn't seem to have any more issues (fingers crossed) and using value lists load and respond a darn site faster anyway.  Only down side to them is there is a limit to just how much data you can fit into a value list (at least loading them they I am via an "adstring" command).  In this case it doesn't matter.  Most of the lists only have 1-20 entries anyway - so easy.

I am using DAO for all connections - well I was, I am using an ADO connection to create the listbox strings for the value list.  But that is all working good.

Really appreciate your time and effort on this.

cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 3:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count towards the 255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 19:33:14 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:33:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
In-Reply-To: <4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
	<4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>

PULEASE - no more KEY WARS !!!! (although Shamil is right)

> Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how
> data page compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?



From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 19:35:06 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:35:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
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	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <003e01ccb612$c81e3070$585a9150$@net>

Re: "Now why they have the limit, and why it doesn't decrease when delete
controls is a question for someone deep in the MS bunker, Redmond WA USA."
Two words: MEMORY MANAGEMENT

Access is still written in C++ AFAIK.




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 21:41:04 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 22:41:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do
	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <A921102295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
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Referring back to my original whine about this problem, in the absence of a
definition of calendar-years, how was I supposed to know there might be a
difference between the real world and the world of pension-funds? A
pension-fund specialist or programmer of apps in this field might have
known to ask this question, but I didn't, nor did any of the
requirements-people deem it worth mentioning.

Granted, now that I've been severely bitten and savaged by this, I know
enough to ask about the definition of a year. But even granting that, what
about the definition of a month? How to handle leap-years? How many
Requirements-meetings shall be consumed discovering these anomalies? Thank
God that I have subsequently learned that Gathering and Verifying
Requirements is a (and perhaps The Most) billable item on the ultimate
invoice; and that any subsequent changes to the Requirements document is
also billable vis-a-vis the Development spec. The beauty part of this
arrangement is that when some flunky wants this to work that way instead of
the previously-accepted spec, I get to say, "Ok, but it's going to cost you
another $10+K. Are you sure you want to make this change?" Which adroitly
punts the ball to her or him, and forces her or him to justify the change
in specs. Even more elegant, all such requests for change are directly
traceable to the person who requested them. LOL. Twice bitten, thrice shy,
as it were. "You want to fork with me? Go ahead, it's all billable,
directly to you! So there, MoFo." Go ahead, stretch your middle-management
muscles, but your bosses will know precisely whom to blame for the OverRuns.

A.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond <ab-mi at post3.tele.dk> wrote:

> Oh what a wonderful statement!
> Asger
>
>

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec  8 22:02:47 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 04:02:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to
	do	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<A921102295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>
	<CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55F0794@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Heh.. Outstanding.  And I totally agree - many times I have ended up making much more mulla than the original spec as the stakeholders are unable to agree on much.  Person X will request this feature, Person Y want something else.  You add both, and then their manager will make changes again - or remove the said functions.  Good for the invoice, but it can be frustrating.  Indeed for one client I almost never deleted any feature they had been requested and built, I would merely turn if 'off' or made it invisible.  It was fairly common for a 'deleted' function to be reinstated in a month or two at the insistence of someone in the organisation.  Fun stuff.  I always document who requested what and when - and often even show it as a line item on the invoice for those hours.  This makes any discussion about budget overruns easier to deal with I find.  Sure, there maybe some heat and fire from the accounting dept, but at least I am not in the firing line ;)

Live and learn...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 2:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this-resolved)

Referring back to my original whine about this problem, in the absence of a definition of calendar-years, how was I supposed to know there might be a difference between the real world and the world of pension-funds? A pension-fund specialist or programmer of apps in this field might have known to ask this question, but I didn't, nor did any of the requirements-people deem it worth mentioning.

Granted, now that I've been severely bitten and savaged by this, I know enough to ask about the definition of a year. But even granting that, what about the definition of a month? How to handle leap-years? How many Requirements-meetings shall be consumed discovering these anomalies? Thank God that I have subsequently learned that Gathering and Verifying Requirements is a (and perhaps The Most) billable item on the ultimate invoice; and that any subsequent changes to the Requirements document is also billable vis-a-vis the Development spec. The beauty part of this arrangement is that when some flunky wants this to work that way instead of the previously-accepted spec, I get to say, "Ok, but it's going to cost you another $10+K. Are you sure you want to make this change?" Which adroitly punts the ball to her or him, and forces her or him to justify the change in specs. Even more elegant, all such requests for change are directly traceable to the person who requested them. LOL. Twice bitten, thrice shy, as it were. "You want to fork with me? Go ahead, it's all billable, directly to you! So there, MoFo." Go ahead, stretch your middle-management muscles, but your bosses will know precisely whom to blame for the OverRuns.

A.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond <ab-mi at post3.tele.dk> wrote:

> Oh what a wonderful statement!
> Asger
>
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec  9 03:26:35 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:26:35 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Compression_Interesting_read_-_part_2?=
In-Reply-To: <4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
	<4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E1RYwix-0001or-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f14.mail.ru>

Hi Stuart --

Thank you for your question.

AFAIU MS SQL page compression feature substitutes all the duplicate entries in data records columns of  a DB file page by one/two/... bytes long references to "dictionary" area located on the same page.
By "duplicate entries" are meant not only full length columns' values but also their  values' leading parts...
Please read the articles/blog entries JC referred in his postings for details.

Please correct me if you'll find I'm wrong.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S.  Stuart, please note I've written "using natural keys for *OLAP* systems" - I have no any intentions in re-starting "surrogate vs. natural keys" generic discussion covering OLTP systems - I'm *currently* strong advocate of using surrogate keys in OLTP systems.... 


09 ??????? 2011, 03:27 ?? "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>:
> Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how data page
> compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> On 9 Dec 2011 at 2:54, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> 
> > Hi John --
> >
> > Yes, this PAGE compression feature makes using natural keys for OLAP
> > systems more preferable than using surrogate keys..
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > -- Shamil.
> >
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec  9 03:30:29 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:30:29 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Compression_Interesting_read_-_part_2?=
In-Reply-To: <003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>
Message-ID: <E1RYwmj-0001Mc-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f139.mail.ru>

Hi Mark --

Yes, no KEY WARS - you can see my reply to Stuart where I outlined that I do not have any intentions for a war/flame like that.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


09 ??????? 2011, 05:34 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> PULEASE - no more KEY WARS !!!! (although Shamil is right)
> 
> > Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how
> > data page compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  9 03:43:07 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 19:43:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
In-Reply-To: <E1RYwmj-0001Mc-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f139.mail.ru>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>,
	<E1RYwmj-0001Mc-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f139.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4EE1D82B.9612.16524732@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I wasn't trying to start a war either :-)

I just couldn't see the relationship between  data compression and the different type of keys.   

I'm still not sure that I do, I will have to look at the original article more carefully.


On 9 Dec 2011 at 13:30, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> Hi Mark --
> 
> Yes, no KEY WARS - you can see my reply to Stuart where I outlined that I do not have any intentions for a war/flame like that.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> 09  2011, 05:34  "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> > PULEASE - no more KEY WARS !!!! (although Shamil is right)
> > 
> > > Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how
> > > data page compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?
> > 
> > --
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Dec  9 04:07:28 2011
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:07:28 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error
Message-ID: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>

It is getting late.  Can anyone see why I am getting error 91 Object 
variable or With block variable not set) when the "Set rst2" line is 
run?  I have checked the value of strSQL and it looks ok.  I have put 
the sql into a query and it returns the expected result.  Could it be 
because OpenRecordset doesn't like group by queries?

     Dim db As DAO.Database, rst2 As DAO.Recordset, strSQL As String

     Set db = CurrentDb()

     strSQL = "SELECT Sum(UnitAmt) AS TotalAmt, 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblTenantInvoiceMeter INNER JOIN 
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran ON 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceMeterID = 
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran.TenantInvoiceMeterIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "GROUP BY 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo HAVING 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo = 9"
     Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 


From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Dec  9 04:22:23 2011
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:22:23 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error
In-Reply-To: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.c o.nz>
References: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <20111209102235.CGYG28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>

Never mind.  I found it - I had closed db in an earlier part of the 
code between setting it and referring to rst2.

At 9/12/2011, David Emerson wrote:
>It is getting late.  Can anyone see why I am getting error 91 Object 
>variable or With block variable not set) when the "Set rst2" line is 
>run?  I have checked the value of strSQL and it looks ok.  I have 
>put the sql into a query and it returns the expected result.  Could 
>it be because OpenRecordset doesn't like group by queries?
>
>     Dim db As DAO.Database, rst2 As DAO.Recordset, strSQL As String
>
>     Set db = CurrentDb()
>
>     strSQL = "SELECT Sum(UnitAmt) AS TotalAmt, 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo "
>     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblTenantInvoiceMeter INNER JOIN 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran ON 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceMeterID = 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran.TenantInvoiceMeterIDNo "
>     strSQL = strSQL & "GROUP BY 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo HAVING 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo = 9"
>     Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>Dalyn Software Ltd
>Wellington, New Zealand
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  9 08:10:03 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 06:10:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error
In-Reply-To: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <CFF61765E36E42D6B70F1FC1FD385362@HAL9007>

I can't see it either but what I do in cases like this is put strSQL into a
text box on my form, then copy the contest of the text box to the SQL view
of a new query and go to design view.  If it makes it that far, I run it.
Lots of times it will tell me what the real error is.

The error 91 would seem to be pointing to db as not being set.  Is the
reference to DAO set correctly?

The next thing I'd do is Dim db2 as dao.Databaser and set db2 = CurrentDb.
Then use db2 to set rst2 and see if it makes a difference.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 2:07 AM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error

It is getting late.  Can anyone see why I am getting error 91 Object
variable or With block variable not set) when the "Set rst2" line is run?  I
have checked the value of strSQL and it looks ok.  I have put the sql into a
query and it returns the expected result.  Could it be because OpenRecordset
doesn't like group by queries?

     Dim db As DAO.Database, rst2 As DAO.Recordset, strSQL As String

     Set db = CurrentDb()

     strSQL = "SELECT Sum(UnitAmt) AS TotalAmt,
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblTenantInvoiceMeter INNER JOIN
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran ON tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceMeterID =
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran.TenantInvoiceMeterIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "GROUP BY
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo HAVING
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo = 9"
     Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 10:41:59 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:41:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE126E1.21363.139DBBA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>
	<4EE126E1.21363.139DBBA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EE23A57.40009@torchlake.com>

Oh boy!  Yeah, the user has a very different perspective from the developer.

My township had an Excel spreadsheet for registered voters.  The state 
developed a new standard and the spreadsheet had to be updated to 
match.  Of course, in the township's spreadsheet the voter's name was 
just one cell, with no standardization for data entry (my name, for 
instance, could have been entered as "Tina Norris Fields," "Fields, Tina 
N.," "Fields, Tina Norris," "Mr.s Tina Fields," and any other 
configurations you can think of).  So, I was asked to help.  When it got 
to the field for a name suffix, such as "Jr.," "Sr.," "III," "Esq." and 
the like, the office assistant actually said to me, "No, we don't have 
to worry about that, there aren't that many of them."  It had never 
dawned on her that the field would be required if there was even one 
person with a name suffix.

I get it that our different perspectives color the way we see the 
problem.  I just haven't figured out how to properly anticipate the 
user's likely take on it.  :-)

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/8/2011 4:06 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Yep, there was "no way" that this would ever be run other than over a couple of hours during
> a normal work day. :-)
>

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 10:42:55 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:42:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do
	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <4EE23A8F.4020205@torchlake.com>

ROTFLMAO!!!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/8/2011 2:29 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> "Weeks of Computer Programming Can Save You Hours of Planning"
>
> :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:47 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
> -resolved)
>
> Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
> plans - no matter how good the builders are!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
>
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
>
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out
> way
> back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by
> crappy
> coding.
>
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
>
>
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 10:45:36 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:45:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to
	dothis-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><A9211
	02295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>
	<CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE23B30.2050302@torchlake.com>

Yay, Arthur!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/8/2011 10:41 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Referring back to my original whine about this problem, in the absence of a
> definition of calendar-years, how was I supposed to know there might be a
> difference between the real world and the world of pension-funds? A
> pension-fund specialist or programmer of apps in this field might have
> known to ask this question, but I didn't, nor did any of the
> requirements-people deem it worth mentioning.
>
> Granted, now that I've been severely bitten and savaged by this, I know
> enough to ask about the definition of a year. But even granting that, what
> about the definition of a month? How to handle leap-years? How many
> Requirements-meetings shall be consumed discovering these anomalies? Thank
> God that I have subsequently learned that Gathering and Verifying
> Requirements is a (and perhaps The Most) billable item on the ultimate
> invoice; and that any subsequent changes to the Requirements document is
> also billable vis-a-vis the Development spec. The beauty part of this
> arrangement is that when some flunky wants this to work that way instead of
> the previously-accepted spec, I get to say, "Ok, but it's going to cost you
> another $10+K. Are you sure you want to make this change?" Which adroitly
> punts the ball to her or him, and forces her or him to justify the change
> in specs. Even more elegant, all such requests for change are directly
> traceable to the person who requested them. LOL. Twice bitten, thrice shy,
> as it were. "You want to fork with me? Go ahead, it's all billable,
> directly to you! So there, MoFo." Go ahead, stretch your middle-management
> muscles, but your bosses will know precisely whom to blame for the OverRuns.
>
> A.
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond<ab-mi at post3.tele.dk>  wrote:
>
>> Oh what a wonderful statement!
>> Asger
>>
>>

From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Dec  9 10:55:24 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:55:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>


  No, un-changed, and nope.  

  Every control you create increments the count.  Deleting a control does
not decrement it, so the count only goes up.

  Importing into a new DB does not reset the count.  Once you hit the limit,
all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.  You
can't add any more controls to the existing form.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Jim,

Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
importing the form into another MDB file?

Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have
one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I
would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection This
is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you use
it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO connections,
each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count towards the
255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37
tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are
bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there
is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that
it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access
thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double
checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished
with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will
fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some
sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is
where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all
the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is
open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all
set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing
bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort
of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort
of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is
going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 11:41:03 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:41:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jL533rqO8N_2sdvU_hyemEpSDiwLPHYPYA9_XxEw62RQ@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting theory, which I am in no position to prove or disprove. But I
am thinking of JC's JIT-tabbed forms construct. Are you suggesting that
despite JC's innovative solution to the many-tabs problem, that all this
shyte  remains in memory despite JC's unloading of the various sub-forms?
Alternatively, am I missing the point completely? (Wouldn't be the first
time!)

A.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  No, un-changed, and nope.
>
>  Every control you create increments the count.  Deleting a control does
> not decrement it, so the count only goes up.
>
>  Importing into a new DB does not reset the count.  Once you hit the limit,
> all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.  You
> can't add any more controls to the existing form.
>
> Jim.
>
>

From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec  9 12:08:23 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:08:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
Message-ID: <000a01ccb69d$8b0d7f20$a1287d60$@net>

Is there some VBA to do this ?

> all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Dec  9 13:25:17 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 13:25:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Controlling an Access 2007 EIS Application via RealVNC on
	the iPad - almost as good as Angry Birds
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS><B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net><413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
	<000a01ccb69d$8b0d7f20$a1287d60$@net>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C8A8@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I have built an Executive Information System (reports, graphs, gauges,
etc.) 
with Access 2007 that runs on a remote server.  Most of the data comes
from 
a SQL Server database.  The remote server has the "server component" of
a 
remote control product called RealVNC.

Last week I learned that there was a $5.00 RealVNC "Client" component 
available for the iPad.  (I believe that the "Server" component 
is about $50.00)

You folks may already being using this kind of stuff, but this was a new

adventure for me.

Picture this... sitting in the living room at night, feet up on the 
recliner, beer in one hand,  "Dancing with the Stars" on TV, fireplace
is 
stoked up (Minnesota), pretending to be carrying on a conversation with
my 
wife, but really controlling the EIS Access application on the iPad.  As
we used to say in 
the 1960's "Wow... far out - this is a whole bunch of groovey".  I guess
the 
younger generation would say something like "This Rocks".  

Anyway, being able to use this application on the iPad (and future
iPhone) 
opens up all kinds of new possibilities.   Admittedly this isn't the
ticket 
for an application that demands a ton of data entry, but for an inquiry 
system, it seems pretty cool.

The only problem is that we may now need to get a second iPad as my
wife, 
kids, and two grandkids are pretty hooked on Angry Birds  :-)

Brad     


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  9 13:29:42 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:29:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jL533rqO8N_2sdvU_hyemEpSDiwLPHYPYA9_XxEw62RQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jL533rqO8N_2sdvU_hyemEpSDiwLPHYPYA9_XxEw62RQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE261A6.4080505@colbyconsulting.com>

 >Are you suggesting that despite JC's innovative solution to the many-tabs problem, that all this 
shyte  remains in memory despite JC's unloading of the various sub-forms?

Nope it doesn't remain in memory if the subform on a tab unloads when you click off a tab.

All objects on any form or subform loads into memory when the form loads, and unloads when the form 
unloads.  My JIT stuff simply delays the loading of the subform until the user clicks the tab that 
the subform is on.  I then (may) unload the subform(s) on that tab when the user clicks on another 
tab.

The database connections form a pool.  As any object in Access needs a connection, it goes to the 
pool to get one and when that object closes it returns the connection to the pool.

The objects on a form are related to the number of available connections in that when it is time to 
load a form, all connections that the loading form needs have to exist (be available) when the form 
loads.  However as the form unloads, it returns the connections back to the pool.  That is quite the 
point of JIT subforms, to only get the connections when the user actually cares (is trying to look 
at the subform) and return these precious connections once the user moves on.

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the number of objects (controls) a form can contain 
initially or how many can be added to the form right now.  Each form has a similar pool of controls 
that it can add.  The difference is that as you delete a control off a form it does not return that 
"spot" in the pool back to the pool.  Thus over time, as you add and delete controls on the form, 
the number of available "spots" slowly diminishes until they are all used up.

This "objects on a given form" pool has nothing to do with the "available database connections" pool.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/9/2011 12:41 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Interesting theory, which I am in no position to prove or disprove. But I
> am thinking of JC's JIT-tabbed forms construct. Are you suggesting that
> despite JC's innovative solution to the many-tabs problem, that all this
> shyte  remains in memory despite JC's unloading of the various sub-forms?
> Alternatively, am I missing the point completely? (Wouldn't be the first
> time!)
>
> A.


From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 14:21:53 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:21:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>

Stuart, Darryl, Charlotte & Jim:


> Stuart McLachlan:
> ...
> One way to reset the control count  is Application.SaveAsText/LoadFromText.
>

This does not work by itself. You have to reset the ItemSuffix attribute in
the resulting text file before loading it back in. And, you can't have any
controls with default names.

See my earlier post under this topic.

Darryl Collins:
> ...
> In this instance importing the controls into a brand new form DOES help,
> as the control count starts a zero on a new form.
> Many times, on control heavy forms I have used this to get out of bother.
>  Now why they have the limit, and why it doesn't decrease when delete
> controls is a question for someone deep in the MS bunker, Redmond WA USA
>

Try my variation on the SaveAsText/LoadFromText method that I outlined in
my earlier post. I have verified this to work.

Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but there
are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving 754
for the user.

Charlotte Foust:
> ...
> Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control
> count is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change
> a thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then
> you have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
>


> Jim Dettman:
> ...
> Importing into a new DB does not reset the count.  Once you hit the limit,
> all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.  You
> can't add any more controls to the existing form.
>

You both are right that imports and form copies don't reset the count. You
can only copy the controls, code and properties to a new form, or use my
technique.

-Ken

From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec  9 18:22:48 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 19:22:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>

Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but
there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving
754 for the user."

Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME WHY
WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 10 09:44:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:44:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
Message-ID: <4EE37E52.2090702@colbyconsulting.com>

Well there are much more important things in life than the number of controls on a form.  Like 
pretty tool bars.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/9/2011 7:22 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but
> there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving
> 754 for the user."
>
> Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME WHY
> WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?
>
>


From john at winhaven.net  Sat Dec 10 10:04:07 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:04:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <4EE37E52.2090702@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>	<008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
	<4EE37E52.2090702@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <038e01ccb755$58d63c00$0a82b400$@winhaven.net>

A-hem, that's "Ribbons"

;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 9:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Well there are much more important things in life than the number of
controls on a form.  Like pretty tool bars.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/9/2011 7:22 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, 
> but there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the 
> application, leaving
> 754 for the user."
>
> Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS 
> TIME WHY WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?
>
>

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 21:14:28 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:14:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
Message-ID: <00d701ccb7b2$ff06d000$fd147000$@gmail.com>

I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation. Especially
a number like 754! Number theorists, have at it!

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Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but
there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving
754 for the user."

Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME WHY
WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec 11 18:17:22 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:17:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <00d701ccb7b2$ff06d000$fd147000$@gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
	<00d701ccb7b2$ff06d000$fd147000$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501ccb863$6b5e5880$421b0980$@net>

Bill -What Balmer did recently was to "distribute" the product manager role
for Access.
There are now multiple product managers...all over the globe.

>From what I know, Clint Covington is either no longer involved or no longer
with Microsoft.
I'm sure he had taken a LOT of heat past 3 years.
So he got out of the kitchen, so-to-speak.
Now, NO ONE PERSON is responsible for Access.

Slick move by Balmer, eh ?
Never liked the guy, never will.




From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 10:17:37 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:17:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 10:31:38 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:31:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
Message-ID: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From cjlabs at att.net  Mon Dec 12 10:39:58 2011
From: cjlabs at att.net (Carolyn Johnson)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:39:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>

Rocky,

I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing correctly in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

 Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access 2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


Carolyn Johnson



----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Dear List:
   
  I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
  however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
  housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
  code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
   
  Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
   
  I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
  customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
  support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
  them the system.
   
  MTIA
   
  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software
  858-259-4334
  www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
  www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
  Skype: rocky.smolin
   
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 10:56:56 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:56:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
	<F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>
Message-ID: <A83D0BB77AB9434B882141684418653D@HAL9007>

Do you think the maximize problem is an artifact of the resizing code?

The ADH code has caused me some problems over the years, but has been pretty
reliable.  I've got a lot of forms to change over so I'm not anxious to
switch but if I have to...

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Rocky,

I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing correctly
in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

 Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access
2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is
available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


Carolyn Johnson



----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Dear List:
   
  I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
  however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
  housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
  code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
   
  Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
   
  I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
  customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
  support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
  them the system.
   
  MTIA
   
  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software
  858-259-4334
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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Mon Dec 12 10:57:28 2011
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:57:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From cjlabs at att.net  Mon Dec 12 11:06:50 2011
From: cjlabs at att.net (Carolyn Johnson)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:06:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>
	<A83D0BB77AB9434B882141684418653D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <6126DBCEE4A74D8DB9A87053C941E480@Dell>

It's difficult for me to say.  I have about 100 users for different databases, all on different computers, and was getting some complaints about screens not fitting the monitors and controls moving to the wrong place.   But it's hard to know exactly what was going on in the different situations -- the users are generally not reliable reporters.   I had been using ADH since 1999 or so and was reluctant to switch as well.

I'm getting fewer complaints with AD Tejpal's code.  I just did a mass find and replace with some occasional editing -- it went pretty smoothly.  

But you may be having a different issue if it's just a maximizing problem.


Carolyn Johnson


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Do you think the maximize problem is an artifact of the resizing code?

  The ADH code has caused me some problems over the years, but has been pretty
  reliable.  I've got a lot of forms to change over so I'm not anxious to
  switch but if I have to...

  Rocky


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

  Rocky,

  I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing correctly
  in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

  I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

   Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access
  2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is
  available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


  Carolyn Johnson



  ----- Original Message -----
    From: Rocky Smolin
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


    Dear List:
     
    I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
    however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
    housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
    code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
     
    Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
     
    I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
    customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
    support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
    them the system.
     
    MTIA
     
    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software
    858-259-4334
    www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
    www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 11:21:01 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:21:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <6126DBCEE4A74D8DB9A87053C941E480@Dell>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell><A83D0BB77AB9434B882141684418653D@HAL9007>
	<6126DBCEE4A74D8DB9A87053C941E480@Dell>
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So far just maximizing.  Forms in question open down and to the right.  When
I drag them up and to the left so I can see the control box, and click the
maximize button, it maximizes just fine with all the controls correctly
sized for the monitor.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

It's difficult for me to say.  I have about 100 users for different
databases, all on different computers, and was getting some complaints about
screens not fitting the monitors and controls moving to the wrong place.
But it's hard to know exactly what was going on in the different situations
-- the users are generally not reliable reporters.   I had been using ADH
since 1999 or so and was reluctant to switch as well.

I'm getting fewer complaints with AD Tejpal's code.  I just did a mass find
and replace with some occasional editing -- it went pretty smoothly.  

But you may be having a different issue if it's just a maximizing problem.


Carolyn Johnson


----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Do you think the maximize problem is an artifact of the resizing code?

  The ADH code has caused me some problems over the years, but has been
pretty
  reliable.  I've got a lot of forms to change over so I'm not anxious to
  switch but if I have to...

  Rocky


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

  Rocky,

  I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing
correctly
  in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

  I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

   Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access
  2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is
  available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


  Carolyn Johnson



  ----- Original Message -----
    From: Rocky Smolin
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


    Dear List:
     
    I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
    however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort
of
    housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form
resizing
    code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
     
    Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
     
    I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
    customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
    support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
    them the system.
     
    MTIA
     
    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software
    858-259-4334
    www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
    www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
    Skype: rocky.smolin
     
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 11:27:10 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:27:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
In-Reply-To: <EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
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I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Mon Dec 12 11:33:41 2011
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:33:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
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Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 12:25:41 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:25:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
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That is kind of what I was thinking. Trying to do something that cannot be done. Thanks for confirming it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Mon Dec 12 12:53:14 2011
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:53:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
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References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com><EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov><0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B927@houex1.kindermorgan.com><EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C4@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B939@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
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Doh, wait.  Sorry, I didn't really bother to try to understand WHAT you're trying to do - just looked at your syntax.  If you're trying to insert a row containing the count of active flowing wells for each EngArea, something like this should do it:

INSERT INTO
  [tbl Monthly Well Count] 
  (EngArea, [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count])
  (
    SELECT
      a.EngArea,
      Count(a.PID)
    FROM
      [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] as a
    WHERE
      a.Status in ("FL","FM","FH")
    GROUP BY
      a.EngArea
  )

Where I've specified [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count] above, substitute the name of the column in the destination table where you want to place the count.

Again, not sure if Access requires the subQ to be in parens.  If this chokes try removing them.

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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

That is kind of what I was thinking. Trying to do something that cannot be done. Thanks for confirming it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 13:40:44 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:40:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
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I used your suggestion but was getting some duplicates. Here is the final solution I ended up with. Thanks for the help

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] ( [Eng Area], [Well Count] )
SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Doh, wait.  Sorry, I didn't really bother to try to understand WHAT you're trying to do - just looked at your syntax.  If you're trying to insert a row containing the count of active flowing wells for each EngArea, something like this should do it:

INSERT INTO
  [tbl Monthly Well Count] 
  (EngArea, [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count])
  (
    SELECT
      a.EngArea,
      Count(a.PID)
    FROM
      [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] as a
    WHERE
      a.Status in ("FL","FM","FH")
    GROUP BY
      a.EngArea
  )

Where I've specified [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count] above, substitute the name of the column in the destination table where you want to place the count.

Again, not sure if Access requires the subQ to be in parens.  If this chokes try removing them.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

That is kind of what I was thinking. Trying to do something that cannot be done. Thanks for confirming it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Mon Dec 12 14:25:59 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:25:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCDE Questions
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C9A2@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

I have an Access 2007 application that I have been deploying as an ACCDR
file to a small number of users.

Recently, I have been thinking about deploying it as an ACCDE file.  I
have some basic questions.

Is there a way to generate an ACCDE file via a batch script with Command
Line Switches?  I have done some digging but have not been able to find
a way to do this.

If I create an ACCDE file, it appears that I can rename it to ACCDR to
accomplish further "lock down".  Is this Okay to do?

Are there any "Gotchas" that a person should be aware of when using
ACCDE files?   The application in question does not allow users to
change any form, report, VBA code, etc.  However, there is VBA code that
does change query defs behind the scenes.  Is this going to be a problem
with an ACCDE file?

Thanks,
Brad


From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 14:51:10 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:51:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yVHVPQqoyTXP1Qin9xmYLfGy4K_eOWPJ0pe+0rvMCj84g@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation. Especially
> a number like 754! Number theorists, have at it!
>

I can account for 255 of the 'missing' controls: Access queries have a 255
field limit. Correspondingly, on an Access form, there are 255 AccessField
objects reserved for holding query row values.

AccessField objects allow you to refer to the underlying field's value
without binding it to a control

Subtract 255 from 1024 and you get 769. So that is 754 user controls, plus
15 'system reserved'. These could be things like navigation buttons, record
selectors, datasheet support, PrtDevMode and PrtMip.

Mark Simms:
> Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME
> WHY
> WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED
>

I can't give you specifics, but I can tell you that a project like Access
has a tremendous amount of inertia. Unless you build in flexibility from
the very beginning, changing fundamental constants when a project is mature
becomes very difficult.

The cost of fixing all the things that would break when changing limits
like this would likely exceed the cost of building a new system from
scratch.

Thus, the emphasis on 'window dressing'. Its all flash and noise dedicated
to selling the same old thing, which buys time for newer projects like
LightSwitch to gain traction.

-Ken

From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 15:10:29 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:10:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Mark Simms
> Is there some VBA to do this ?
>
> > all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.
>

Yes, I developed just such a product. It copies all controls and form
properties over, and all properties for each control, rebuilding the form
from scratch. It worked perfectly.

Doing a half-assed version in VBA is not so hard. Doing it right is really,
really involved. You are really better off doing it by hand.

The kicker is I did this when I worked for another company, and they own
the rights to the code, so I can't distribute it. Maybe one day I will make
the case for them to BSD-license it.

-Ken

From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 15:26:50 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:26:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>

To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
control names.

When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.

The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
control could already exist, and then you're stuck.

That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.

It was to avoid name collisions.

So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution for
what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.

-Ken

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 15:31:44 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:31:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8jG+eNbCYb_Be6P1WiKJjVJ5BXsO-Pw+8j+FvovtE+zQ@mail.gmail.com>

Amen, Ken.  I used to have code to build forms using a code library and
some templates.  It was a complicated operation and took me forever to make
it work, and I discovered that doing it by hand was easier.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Kenneth Ismert <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Mark Simms
> > Is there some VBA to do this ?
> >
> > > all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.
> >
>
> Yes, I developed just such a product. It copies all controls and form
> properties over, and all properties for each control, rebuilding the form
> from scratch. It worked perfectly.
>
> Doing a half-assed version in VBA is not so hard. Doing it right is really,
> really involved. You are really better off doing it by hand.
>
> The kicker is I did this when I worked for another company, and they own
> the rights to the code, so I can't distribute it. Maybe one day I will make
> the case for them to BSD-license it.
>
> -Ken
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>
>

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec 12 17:19:09 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:19:09 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
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Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know, but you are not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010, however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to support two version and find out which version they're on before sending them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec 12 17:21:29 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:21:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Ken,

That is a good and clear explanation.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)

>
> William Benson:
> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>

To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default control names.

When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.

The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter, especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a control could already exist, and then you're stuck.

That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.

It was to avoid name collisions.

So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.

-Ken
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Dec 12 17:41:56 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:41:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008501ccb927$a31e3230$e95a9690$@net>

Wow - thanks for the "heads-up" Ken. Very impressive.

> Doing a half-assed version in VBA is not so hard. Doing it right is
> really, really involved. You are really better off doing it by hand.
>



From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Dec 12 17:44:33 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:44:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8jG+eNbCYb_Be6P1WiKJjVJ5BXsO-Pw+8j+FvovtE+zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8jG+eNbCYb_Be6P1WiKJjVJ5BXsO-Pw+8j+FvovtE+zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008601ccb928$009f6be0$01de43a0$@net>

But let me ask...for complex forms with a lot of controls in specific
positions and "tight registration"...
Isn't the manual rebuild a monumental task in some cases ?

> Amen, Ken.  I used to have code to build forms using a code library and
> some templates.  It was a complicated operation and took me forever to
> make it work, and I discovered that doing it by hand was easier.
>
> Charlotte Foust



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 18:36:52 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:36:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
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	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Thanks Ken,
>
> That is a good and clear explanation.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> >
> > William Benson:
> > I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
> >
>
> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
> control names.
>
> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>
> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>
> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>
> It was to avoid name collisions.
>
> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>
> -Ken
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 19:01:03 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:01:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <008601ccb928$009f6be0$01de43a0$@net>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8jG+eNbCYb_Be6P1WiKJjVJ5BXsO-Pw+8j+FvovtE+zQ@mail.gmail.com>
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You might change your mind if you start writing code to copy the controls
over!  The code I had took me forever to write and tweak and I did it only
because I was building UIs for survey input that included questions and
answers and used multiple subforms and navigation buttons based on a
limited set of control types to capture specific types of data.  There was
never a time when it was totally automated.  I only built the code because
the company's business was corporate direct marketing and I was building
survey UIs on a daily basis.  It wouldn't have been worth it otherwise.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> But let me ask...for complex forms with a lot of controls in specific
> positions and "tight registration"...
> Isn't the manual rebuild a monumental task in some cases ?
>
> > Amen, Ken.  I used to have code to build forms using a code library and
> > some templates.  It was a complicated operation and took me forever to
> > make it work, and I discovered that doing it by hand was easier.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 19:24:49 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:24:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <B86467722A74459FA07B65E27F1774F7@HAL9007>

It's a comfort. :) 

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the
role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were
only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to
turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was definitely
an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know, but you are
not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 08:31:59 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:31:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>


 The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:

A2000 - 800
A2002 - 894
A2007 - 1040
A2010 - 1040

  Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.  

  These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
objects, but what that process is is un-clear.

Jim.

Public Sub CheckControlCreation()

  Dim frm As Form
  Dim ctlText As Control
  Dim ctlLabel As Control
  Dim intK As Integer

  ' Create form based on Customers form.
  Set frm = CreateForm()

  For intK = 1 To 2000

    ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
    Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)

    ' Create child label control for text box.
    Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "", 100,
100)
    
    Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
  
  Next intK

End Sub 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Thanks Ken,
>
> That is a good and clear explanation.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> >
> > William Benson:
> > I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
> >
>
> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
> control names.
>
> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>
> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>
> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>
> It was to avoid name collisions.
>
> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>
> -Ken
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Dec 13 08:33:46 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:33:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <B86467722A74459FA07B65E27F1774F7@HAL9007>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<B86467722A74459FA07B65E27F1774F7@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C13023DCE8D@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Any possibility there is an unhandled runtime error which stops Access
from doing what it should?

In order to trouble-chute this you could remove most of the
functionality from those forms and see whether you get better
reaction...

Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

It's a comfort. :) 

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl
Collins
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left
the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they
were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is
likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing
was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I
know, but you are not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort
of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form
resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 09:15:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:15:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
Message-ID: <4EE76C10.4050400@colbyconsulting.com>

Wow!

Obviously you need answers badly or you don't have enough paying work.  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 9:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>
>    Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
> some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
> which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.
>
>    These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
> objects, but what that process is is un-clear.
>
> Jim.
>
> Public Sub CheckControlCreation()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
> intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "", 100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
> On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins"<darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ken,
>>
>> That is a good and clear explanation.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>> A2010....)
>>
>>>
>>> William Benson:
>>> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>>>
>>
>> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
>> control names.
>>
>> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
>> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
>> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>>
>> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
>> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
>> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
>> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
>> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>>
>> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
>> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>>
>> It was to avoid name collisions.
>>
>> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
>> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
>> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>>
>> -Ken
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>>
>>
>>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 09:32:39 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:32:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <4EE76C10.4050400@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
	<4EE76C10.4050400@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <5B9F45562C414FF89415B34BFB2F845A@XPS>


 Have always been curious about the limit; 754 is just such an odd number.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Wow!

Obviously you need answers badly or you don't have enough paying work.  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 9:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>
>    Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
> some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
> which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.
>
>    These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
> objects, but what that process is is un-clear.
>
> Jim.
>
> Public Sub CheckControlCreation()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
> intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "",
100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
> On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins"<darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ken,
>>
>> That is a good and clear explanation.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>> A2010....)
>>
>>>
>>> William Benson:
>>> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>>>
>>
>> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
>> control names.
>>
>> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
>> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
>> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>>
>> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
>> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
>> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
>> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
>> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>>
>> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
>> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>>
>> It was to avoid name collisions.
>>
>> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
>> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
>> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>>
>> -Ken
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
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>>
>>
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 09:39:35 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:39:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <5B9F45562C414FF89415B34BFB2F845A@XPS>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
	<4EE76C10.4050400@colbyconsulting.com>
	<5B9F45562C414FF89415B34BFB2F845A@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jQpTY5p_rsQPJehHstjDx3KGB_RDVMcDJ3N9LnPducUQ@mail.gmail.com>

First, it's an even number, not odd. And second, a WAG... 768 - 14 overhead
bytes? LOL.
A.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>wrote:

>
>  Have always been curious about the limit; 754 is just such an odd number.
>
> Jim.
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 09:58:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:58:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
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 >754 is just such an odd number.

That it is!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 10:32 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   Have always been curious about the limit; 754 is just such an odd number.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:15 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Wow!
>
> Obviously you need answers badly or you don't have enough paying work.  ;)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/13/2011 9:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>>
>>    The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
>> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
>> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>>
>> A2000 - 800
>> A2002 - 894
>> A2007 - 1040
>> A2010 - 1040
>>
>>     Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
>> some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
>> which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.
>>
>>     These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
>> objects, but what that process is is un-clear.
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> Public Sub CheckControlCreation()
>>
>>     Dim frm As Form
>>     Dim ctlText As Control
>>     Dim ctlLabel As Control
>>     Dim intK As Integer
>>
>>     ' Create form based on Customers form.
>>     Set frm = CreateForm()
>>
>>     For intK = 1 To 2000
>>
>>       ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>>       Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
>> intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)
>>
>>       ' Create child label control for text box.
>>       Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "",
> 100,
>> 100)
>>
>>       Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>>
>>     Next intK
>>
>> End Sub
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
>> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>> A2010....)
>>
>> Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
>> On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins"<darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Ken,
>>>
>>> That is a good and clear explanation.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Darryl.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>>> A2010....)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> William Benson:
>>>> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>>>>
>>>
>>> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
>>> control names.
>>>
>>> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
>>> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
>>> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>>>
>>> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
>>> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
>>> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
>>> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
>>> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>>>
>>> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
>>> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>>>
>>> It was to avoid name collisions.
>>>
>>> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
>>> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
>>> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>>>
>>> -Ken
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Dec 13 10:06:00 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:06:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
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References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><B86467722A74459FA07B65E27F1774F7@HAL9007>
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Gotta try that.  Awkward because I need to make the mde in 2003 then copy to
machine #2 to test.  But I'll give it a whirl.

"an unhandled runtime error which stops Access from doing what it should?"
Is there such a thing?


R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Any possibility there is an unhandled runtime error which stops Access from
doing what it should?

In order to trouble-chute this you could remove most of the functionality
from those forms and see whether you get better reaction...

Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

It's a comfort. :) 

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the
role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were
only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to
turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was definitely
an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know, but you are
not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Dec 13 11:11:24 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:11:24 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Excel_Web_App_hosted_on_SkyDrive=2E=2E?=
	=?utf-8?q?=2E?=
Message-ID: <E1RaVsy-0005J8-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f204.mail.ru>

Hi All,

FYI: http://www.excelmashup.com/

Thank you.

-- Shamil?

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 11:21:55 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:21:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FYI: Excel Web App hosted on SkyDrive...
In-Reply-To: <E1RaVsy-0005J8-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f204.mail.ru>
References: <E1RaVsy-0005J8-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f204.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4EE789B3.2030104@colbyconsulting.com>

I spend all of my day trying to prevent my data from getting mashed up and then Microsoft promotes this!

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 12:11 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> FYI: http://www.excelmashup.com/
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 15:22:51 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:22:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
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As far as unhandled error what I was wondering is that maybe if perhaps an
mde keeps users out of the code, then unlike an accdb or an mdb possibly
the code in an event just stops executing with no warning?  I've never
built or tested an mde!
On Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Rocky,
>
> Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the
> role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were
> only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to
> turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was
> definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know,
> but you are not alone with this issue.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
> however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
> housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
> code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.
>
> Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?
>
> I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
> customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
> support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
> them the system.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 15:58:39 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:58:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How do I find ~TMPxyz connections?
Message-ID: <4EE7CA8F.5040001@colbyconsulting.com>

I am iterating my connections in tabledefs and I have three connections with ~TMP as the leading 
part of the name.  They point to a SQL server Express database that physically does not exist any 
more.  I have discovered that these links to old stuff cause massive slowing opening real linked 
tables so I need to find and delete these links, but I am at a loss to discover how.

~TMPCLP184931: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP280711: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP288731: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP373521: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP457481: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?

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Colby Consulting

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 16:12:07 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:12:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How do I find ~TMPxyz connections?
In-Reply-To: <4EE7CA8F.5040001@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE7CA8F.5040001@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EE7CDB7.8000807@colbyconsulting.com>

Never mind.  that was from tables already deleted.  When I exited the db and came back in these were 
gone.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 4:58 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> I am iterating my connections in tabledefs and I have three connections with ~TMP as the leading
> part of the name. They point to a SQL server Express database that physically does not exist any
> more. I have discovered that these links to old stuff cause massive slowing opening real linked
> tables so I need to find and delete these links, but I am at a loss to discover how.
>
> ~TMPCLP184931: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP280711: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP288731: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP373521: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP457481: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
>


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 16:13:18 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:13:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
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Perhaps, but my experience would suggest it is more of a bug than anything else.  Or perhaps a deliberate attempt to move folks off MDE to accde instead.

The premise is simple.  If a form is set to docmd.maximise then that is what it should do upon open (or event).  It works as expected in A2003 as MDB or MDE.  But in A2007 the docmd.maximise is seemingly ignored.  The form usually opens as a float - I think it also did it for MDB format stuff as well - can't recall.

>From memory if you click on the form or moved it - it would immediately maximise and snap to full size.

As I said, it has been a while, but I do recall it coming up consistently in the testing we were doing.  Annoying.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2011 8:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

As far as unhandled error what I was wondering is that maybe if perhaps an mde keeps users out of the code, then unlike an accdb or an mdb possibly the code in an event just stops executing with no warning?  I've never built or tested an mde!
On Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Rocky,
>
> Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left 
> the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required 
> (they were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google 
> is likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form 
> resizing was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you 
> right now I know, but you are not alone with this issue.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010, 
> however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort 
> of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form 
> resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.
>
> Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?
>
> I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of 
> my customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have 
> to support two version and find out which version they're on before 
> sending them the system.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com < 
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 16:58:46 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:58:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUA8bhkxMJKLh5U1vfyzVsRG5HL9LS+tiLtsZV+7GCrXQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Jim Dettman:
>  The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>

Very intriguing, Jim. I ran your code on Access 2000, and got 801 controls,
confirming your result.

A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/208192

But I have personally seen forms with this 754 control limit, however the
database was imported from Access 97.

So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?

It is obvious that the control limit was raised in later versions of
Access, but the reasons for these particular limits remain mysterious.

-Ken

From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 17:26:20 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:26:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Mark Simms:
> But let me ask...for complex forms with a lot of controls in specific
> positions and "tight registration"...
> Isn't the manual rebuild a monumental task in some cases ?
>
> Charlotte Foust:
> You might change your mind if you start writing code to copy the controls
> over!  ... I only built the code because ... I was building survey UIs on
> a
> daily basis.  It wouldn't have been worth it otherwise.
>

I agree with Charlotte. You have to be strongly motivated to tackle this
project.

In my case, the company's flagship A2K product had a crippling case of
bloat that none of the normal methods (including EatBloat) could cure.

It took 3 months full-time to develop the 'complete rebuild' fix, which did
finally work (to everyone's great relief)!

Mark: if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:

1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
and 'text234'.

2. In the Immediate window, count the number of controls:
    ? Forms("frmFoo").Controls.Count

2. Save the form as text:
    Application.SaveAsText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
edit it to the number of controls +1:
        ItemSuffix =128

4. Backup your Access database. Delete the problem form. Compact & Repair.

5. Import the form using:
    Application.LoadFromText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

I have observed this to work.

-Ken

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Dec 13 19:24:40 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:24:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4_R4NnrR9v3pmmGUVe1Jv+_fpY2Ug+dJSuB9kyXVYLzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4_R4NnrR9v3pmmGUVe1Jv+_fpY2Ug+dJSuB9kyXVYLzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A06FFD0386704B30B79811B6CA768F1F@HAL9007>

No - you get the same error message - just no Debug option.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 1:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

As far as unhandled error what I was wondering is that maybe if perhaps an
mde keeps users out of the code, then unlike an accdb or an mdb possibly the
code in an event just stops executing with no warning?  I've never built or
tested an mde!
On Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Rocky,
>
> Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left 
> the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required 
> (they were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google 
> is likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form 
> resizing was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you 
> right now I know, but you are not alone with this issue.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010, 
> however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort 
> of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form 
> resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.
>
> Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?
>
> I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of 
> my customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have 
> to support two version and find out which version they're on before 
> sending them the system.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com < 
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 19:30:42 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:30:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUA8bhkxMJKLh5U1vfyzVsRG5HL9LS+tiLtsZV+7GCrXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUA8bhkxMJKLh5U1vfyzVsRG5HL9LS+tiLtsZV+7GCrXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DC4054550E234B23AF33C9C09A16BC2B@XPS>

Ken,

<<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>

  Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
(yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
  
<<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?>>

  For A97 I got 752.

  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 05:59 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

>
> Jim Dettman:
>  The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>

Very intriguing, Jim. I ran your code on Access 2000, and got 801 controls,
confirming your result.

A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/208192

But I have personally seen forms with this 754 control limit, however the
database was imported from Access 97.

So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?

It is obvious that the control limit was raised in later versions of
Access, but the reasons for these particular limits remain mysterious.

-Ken
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 20:52:10 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:52:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>


Hi guys and girls.

One of my colleagues is using a UDF embedded into an Access Query.  The query runs find in access by when he is calling the query from Excel VBA (via qd.openrecordset).  The code fails with a 'undefined function' error.

I read on google the following which was a response to a similar issue:

"Access uses Jet, and the combination of Access and Jet understands VBA functions. DAO is a generic data access layer that doesn't understand VBA functions.
When you use DAO, you're not automating Access, merely using that bridge to get to the data.
Even though some versions of Access use DAO internally to communicate with Jet, the ability to understand VBA is programmed into Access, not DAO."

So, is that correct.  I would have thought the DOA would have only sent the command to open the query and Access would still do all of the processing?

Any thoughts on this.

I personally wouldn't do it this way. I would use the Function from Excel to get all of the parameters first and then pass them to the query as needed.  In this case the function is built into the query itself in Access.

Cheers
Darryl.



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Dec 13 21:26:37 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:26:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EE8176D.24437.13D851CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 14 Dec 2011 at 2:52, Darryl Collins wrote:

> 
> So, is that correct.  I would have thought the DOA would have only
> sent the command to open the query and Access would still do all of
> the processing? 
> 

Yes, it is correct.  Access does not do the processing, the DAO/JET engine does it.   
DAO/JET doesn't know anything at all about VBA., let alone what VBA functions happen to 
be in the same Access container are the table.





From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 21:30:17 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 03:30:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel
In-Reply-To: <4EE8176D.24437.13D851CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4EE8176D.24437.13D851CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5601256@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Stuart.  That clears that up. I will tell him to go to Plan B instead.

Cheers
darryl

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Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2011 2:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel

On 14 Dec 2011 at 2:52, Darryl Collins wrote:

> 
> So, is that correct.  I would have thought the DOA would have only 
> sent the command to open the query and Access would still do all of 
> the processing?
> 

Yes, it is correct.  Access does not do the processing, the DAO/JET engine does it.   
DAO/JET doesn't know anything at all about VBA., let alone what VBA functions happen to be in the same Access container are the table.




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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 21:44:17 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:44:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003c01ccba12$a84eb590$f8ec20b0$@net>

Thanks a ton Ken ! Simply excellent technical investigative work. Well done.

> 5. Import the form using:
>     Application.LoadFromText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\" &
> "Form_frmFoo.txt"
>
> I have observed this to work.
>
> -Ken



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 22:17:49 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:17:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>

If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a new
form and renaming the form suffice? 

>>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 22:35:10 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:35:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B56012C7@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

That is what I normally do - which is probably why it is nearly always much more work to code it than do it all manually.  The copy / paste way is usually fast, even with many hundreds of controls it doesn't take more than a few minutes I find.  The only other step is to ensure you copy the form code over as well to the new form.

I usually rename the old form "frmMyForm_OLD" first, create a new form and save it "frmMyForm", copy the controls, copy the code, save and test.  If the new form works as expected I then delete the old form entirely (of course I have an original one on an older backup version).

Cheers
Darryl.

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Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2011 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a new form and renaming the form suffice? 

>>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 14 02:11:59 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:11:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
Message-ID: <see86867.084@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

For Access 2.0 it runs to:

Field652       Text653

then exits with an "out of memory" error.
Code must be modified to:

<code>
Sub CheckControlCreation ()

  Dim frm As Form
  Dim ctlText As Control
  Dim ctlLabel As Control
  Dim intK As Integer

  ' Create form based on Customers form.
  Set frm = CreateForm()

  For intK = 1 To 2000

    ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
    Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)

    ' Create child label control for text box.
    Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100, 100)
    
    Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
  
  Next intK

End Sub
</code>

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30 >>>
Ken,

<<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>

  Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
(yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
  
<<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?>>

  For A97 I got 752.

  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.

Jim. 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 06:05:11 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:05:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
Message-ID: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>

I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has changed a message is 
generated.  The nice part is that Access places the change in the paste buffer.

How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form then the prompt the user to 
insert the paste buffer?

I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.

-- 
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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 07:24:32 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:24:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <see86867.084@cactus.dk>
References: <see86867.084@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <B7227A7C9F31425FB9AFF9DC01EAF1BA@XPS>


  BTW, one of the things I did try was creating text only controls rather
then a text/label combination.  Got the same results, but other control
types might yield different numbers. If they do, then the limit would seem
more related to object management rather then some inherent limitation with
form objects themselves (in terms of storage).

  I'll play with that today if I have time.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 03:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Hi Jim

For Access 2.0 it runs to:

Field652       Text653

then exits with an "out of memory" error.
Code must be modified to:

<code>
Sub CheckControlCreation ()

  Dim frm As Form
  Dim ctlText As Control
  Dim ctlLabel As Control
  Dim intK As Integer

  ' Create form based on Customers form.
  Set frm = CreateForm()

  For intK = 1 To 2000

    ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
    Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100 +
intK, 200, 200)

    ' Create child label control for text box.
    Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100,
100)
    
    Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
  
  Next intK

End Sub
</code>

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30 >>>
Ken,

<<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>

  Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
(yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
  
<<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?>>

  For A97 I got 752.

  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.

Jim. 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 09:16:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:16:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <B7227A7C9F31425FB9AFF9DC01EAF1BA@XPS>
References: <see86867.084@cactus.dk> <B7227A7C9F31425FB9AFF9DC01EAF1BA@XPS>
Message-ID: <4EE8BDC2.5010108@colbyconsulting.com>

I would bet you will find that each type of control can have that limit of controls IOW 750 labels 
(not connected to a text box) 750 text boxes, 750 radio buttons, 750 combos etc.  Each control has a 
different name prefix and thus there will be no collision between names for text boxes and combo 
boxes and radio buttons.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 8:24 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>    BTW, one of the things I did try was creating text only controls rather
> then a text/label combination.  Got the same results, but other control
> types might yield different numbers. If they do, then the limit would seem
> more related to object management rather then some inherent limitation with
> form objects themselves (in terms of storage).
>
>    I'll play with that today if I have time.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 03:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Hi Jim
>
> For Access 2.0 it runs to:
>
> Field652       Text653
>
> then exits with an "out of memory" error.
> Code must be modified to:
>
> <code>
> Sub CheckControlCreation ()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100 +
> intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
> </code>
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30>>>
> Ken,
>
> <<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
> even
> Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>
>
>    Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
> timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
> (yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
> specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
> around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
>
> <<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
> Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
> this on?>>
>
>    For A97 I got 752.
>
>    Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.
>
> Jim.
>
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 09:49:28 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:49:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>

Apparently the important last control number is "inherited" from the old
form.....
that's why you must go to text...
And then edit the number.

> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to
> a new
> form and renaming the form suffice?
>
> >>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 10:49:20 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:49:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
	<000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_Y-sxj+VV4RpOfmYCqpk=37H7=+Ryttw0EDpKjyJCahA@mail.gmail.com>

You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
place.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Apparently the important last control number is "inherited" from the old
> form.....
> that's why you must go to text...
> And then edit the number.
>
> > If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to
> > a new
> > form and renaming the form suffice?
> >
> > >>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 11:10:59 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:10:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
In-Reply-To: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hsdptdLqSjvAdV28tbsYHSSiMneAy8D3=E_UYAiEkGCg@mail.gmail.com>

Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go through
sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds of
users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I have
no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
new models. It's a learning experience.

A.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
> change in the paste buffer.
>
> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>
> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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>



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 12:13:42 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:13:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hsdptdLqSjvAdV28tbsYHSSiMneAy8D3=E_UYAiEkGCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1hsdptdLqSjvAdV28tbsYHSSiMneAy8D3=E_UYAiEkGCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE8E756.9000603@colbyconsulting.com>

I am not sure what difference a view would make though.  The data behind the scenes has still changed.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 12:10 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
> experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
> Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
> touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
> mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go through
> sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
> they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
> view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
> drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds of
> users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I have
> no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
> LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
> new models. It's a learning experience.
>
> A.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
>> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
>> change in the paste buffer.
>>
>> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
>> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>>
>> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>
>
>


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 12:18:07 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:18:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
In-Reply-To: <4EE8E756.9000603@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1hsdptdLqSjvAdV28tbsYHSSiMneAy8D3=E_UYAiEkGCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EE8E756.9000603@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-b6HfrhyVwM9z_Lxh+JCK-aG6XMJNUzeqgbVz6Wfp72A@mail.gmail.com>

It's a security feature.  Regular users simply don't have the role
permission to change the data in the tables, they have to do it through a
view.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:13 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I am not sure what difference a view would make though.  The data behind
> the scenes has still changed.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/14/2011 12:10 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
>> experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
>> Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
>> touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
>> mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go
>> through
>> sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
>> they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
>> view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
>> drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds
>> of
>> users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I
>> have
>> no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
>> LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
>> new models. It's a learning experience.
>>
>> A.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
>>> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
>>> change in the paste buffer.
>>>
>>> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
>>> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>>>
>>> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>
>>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>
>>> >
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.
>>>
>>> ****com<http://www.**databaseadvisors.com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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>
>
>

From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 12:30:59 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:30:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_Y-sxj+VV4RpOfmYCqpk=37H7=+Ryttw0EDpKjyJCahA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
	<000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>
	<CAH+Met_Y-sxj+VV4RpOfmYCqpk=37H7=+Ryttw0EDpKjyJCahA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003c01ccba8e$877313d0$96593b70$@net>

You mean RENAME, right ? Every control has a name property by default.
i.e. there are no unnamed controls.

> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the
> first place.
>
> Charlotte Foust




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 12:38:16 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:38:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-b6HfrhyVwM9z_Lxh+JCK-aG6XMJNUzeqgbVz6Wfp72A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1hsdptdLqSjvAdV28tbsYHSSiMneAy8D3=E_UYAiEkGCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EE8E756.9000603@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-b6HfrhyVwM9z_Lxh+JCK-aG6XMJNUzeqgbVz6Wfp72A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE8ED18.1050604@colbyconsulting.com>

Yes I understand that but I have set up users and such and their permissions.  The message I am 
getting is that another user has changed the data.  I have to do something to cause the form to 
discover that the data has been written and refresh the data in the current form so that changes to 
the data in the current form are now allowed.

AFAIK that has nothing to do with views per se.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 1:18 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> It's a security feature.  Regular users simply don't have the role
> permission to change the data in the tables, they have to do it through a
> view.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:13 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I am not sure what difference a view would make though.  The data behind
>> the scenes has still changed.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/14/2011 12:10 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
>>> experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
>>> Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
>>> touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
>>> mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go
>>> through
>>> sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
>>> they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
>>> view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
>>> drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds
>>> of
>>> users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I
>>> have
>>> no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
>>> LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
>>> new models. It's a learning experience.
>>>
>>> A.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
>>>> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
>>>> change in the paste buffer.
>>>>
>>>> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
>>>> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>>>>
>>>> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.
>>>>
>>>> ****com<http://www.**databaseadvisors.com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 13:15:02 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:15:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <4EE8BDC2.5010108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <see86867.084@cactus.dk> <B7227A7C9F31425FB9AFF9DC01EAF1BA@XPS>
	<4EE8BDC2.5010108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A1651EBA53024EC793C018D05F7B21F1@XPS>


  No, that's not the case.  When I ran the tests, it didn't matter if I did
text and label controls or just text controls as I would get the same number
of total controls either way.

  I had been testing to see if the type of control affected the out come
(because of the difference in the number of PEM's) in the total number of
controls, but it didn't (at least not for text vs label vs all text, which
should have been different enough to show up).

  And it doesn't seem like the naming is related to the limit.  The tests
for A2000 and up all yielded control names >754 and A2007 and up went from
three to four positions for the numeric portion of the naming.  That means
you would be able to get 9,999 controls for each control type without a
conflict in names.  However the numeric suffix counter applies to all
controls, so you should be able to get to 9,999 without a problem, but the
limit is far short of that.

  I don't think it's related to the storage method either; all the numbers
are odd (not 256, 512, 1024, etc).  You just can't come up with any number
of bits that represent the numbers shown.  Only possibility is the one Ken
raised where internal objects are using some of the mapping (ie. 1024 - x
number of internal objects = objects available to you). 

  But it seems more related to internal memory management then it does to
anything else we've seen so far as the value seems to float from version to
version.  It's like the table ID limit which also floats a bit; one minute
you can be fine with a query or form and the next you get an "out of memory"
message.

  What I'd really like to see happen is those test numbers change a bit on
the same machine or between machines.  That would really imply that it's
related to memory management.  A hard coded limit or a limit based on the
storage method would always be consistent no matter when or where checked.

Jim.   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

I would bet you will find that each type of control can have that limit of
controls IOW 750 labels 
(not connected to a text box) 750 text boxes, 750 radio buttons, 750 combos
etc.  Each control has a 
different name prefix and thus there will be no collision between names for
text boxes and combo 
boxes and radio buttons.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 8:24 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>    BTW, one of the things I did try was creating text only controls rather
> then a text/label combination.  Got the same results, but other control
> types might yield different numbers. If they do, then the limit would seem
> more related to object management rather then some inherent limitation
with
> form objects themselves (in terms of storage).
>
>    I'll play with that today if I have time.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 03:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Hi Jim
>
> For Access 2.0 it runs to:
>
> Field652       Text653
>
> then exits with an "out of memory" error.
> Code must be modified to:
>
> <code>
> Sub CheckControlCreation ()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100
+
> intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
> </code>
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30>>>
> Ken,
>
> <<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
> even
> Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>
>
>    Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the
A95/A97
> timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
> (yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
> specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
> around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
>
> <<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only
for
> Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
> this on?>>
>
>    For A97 I got 752.
>
>    Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.
>
> Jim.
>
>

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 13:14:02 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:14:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <003c01ccba8e$877313d0$96593b70$@net>
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	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
	<000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>
	<CAH+Met_Y-sxj+VV4RpOfmYCqpk=37H7=+Ryttw0EDpKjyJCahA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003c01ccba8e$877313d0$96593b70$@net>
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I meant specifically name the controls instead of accepting the defaults,
which are less than useless anyhow.  And that includes the attached labels
and page breaks and all the other items you put on there.  I always named
them at creation to make it easier to untangle later, so I never ran into
issues with default names.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> You mean RENAME, right ? Every control has a name property by default.
> i.e. there are no unnamed controls.
>
> > You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the
> > first place.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
>
>
>
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>
>

From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 14:23:35 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:23:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUoB0st0O1OF7cZGHgefEhOx2vwsS0hscwRmiBOgGtBcg@mail.gmail.com>

> Jim Dettman:
> <<Ken Ismert: So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are
> correct only for Access 97.>>
>
>  For A97 I got 752.
>
>  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.
>

I think the simplest explanation is A97 allowed 1024 controls. Subtract 255
'AccessField' controls (for the maximum fields in a query), and you get
769.

That leaves 753 'user' controls and 16 'reserved' controls, things like
RecordSelectors, DataSheet support, Record Navigation, the default Detail
section, etc.

But, on some service pack of Access 2000, the counter limit was raised to
16 bits, or even 32 bits.

Supporting 4 billion controls was just silly, so they just picked an
arbitrary limit of 800, and kept raising that over time.

 What I'd really like to see happen is those test numbers change a bit on
> the same machine or between machines.  That would really imply that it's
> related to memory management.  A hard coded limit or a limit based on the
> storage method would always be consistent no matter when or where checked.


Well, AccessD community, test away!

Is the limit truly fixed for each version, or does it change? The results
will be interesting.

-Ken

From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 14:46:02 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:46:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a
> new
> form and renaming the form suffice?
>

Because you also have to manually duplicate all of the form properties,
which don't copy over automatically.

For example, if your form allows datasheets, all the column width settings
will be reset to their defaults.

Further, the copy-and-paste approach can mess up subtle things like display
order, so controls that show up on the original won't be visible on the
copy.

Thus, if all you need to do is reset the count, I recommend my method,
because the whole form gets copied, leaving no surprises.

Charlotte Foust:
> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
> place.
>

Giving controls meaningful names is best practice. But that doesn't reset
the counter.

Try modifying Jim's code to give each control a non-default name before the
next is created. The limit didn't change for me.

-Ken

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 15:28:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:28:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE914F2.4020404@colbyconsulting.com>

Good points Ken.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 3:46 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote:
>>
>> William Benson:
>> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a
>> new
>> form and renaming the form suffice?
>>
>
> Because you also have to manually duplicate all of the form properties,
> which don't copy over automatically.
>
> For example, if your form allows datasheets, all the column width settings
> will be reset to their defaults.
>
> Further, the copy-and-paste approach can mess up subtle things like display
> order, so controls that show up on the original won't be visible on the
> copy.
>
> Thus, if all you need to do is reset the count, I recommend my method,
> because the whole form gets copied, leaving no surprises.
>
> Charlotte Foust:
>> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
>> place.
>>
>
> Giving controls meaningful names is best practice. But that doesn't reset
> the counter.
>
> Try modifying Jim's code to give each control a non-default name before the
> next is created. The limit didn't change for me.
>
> -Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 15:55:22 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:55:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWq91xS1Oz2xJZJJCJzS1d7J=JSdrY1BZKJsgbEfubzKw@mail.gmail.com>

All,

I just tried another experiment:

1. In Access 2000 or later, call TestControlLifetimeLimit below (a
modification of Jim's code) to populate form controls to their limit

2. Delete some or all of the highest-numbered controls

3. Call TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)) to populate more controls.

What I found is that as long as you delete the highest-numbered controls,
the counter limit isn't enforced. I ran this until the counter got up to
17213!

Can others duplicate this?

So, my new theory is that, for some service pack of Office 2000, this got
sort-of fixed. (I recall running into this problem a decade ago in an early
release of 2000).

The maximum control limit is enforced, but the counter will keep going up,
as long as you delete some of the higher-order controls.

However, the 754-control limit will persist for forms & reports imported
from Access 97. This is why the 'rebuild from scratch' is required to
totally cure the problem in very old projects. There is simply no other way
to keep the form from inheriting the old A97 behavior.

Code:

Public Sub TestControlLifetimeLimit(Optional ByVal rObj As Object = Nothing)

    Dim rFrm As Access.Form
    Dim rText As Control
    Dim rLabel As Control
    Dim i As Integer

    On Error GoTo HandleErr

    If rObj Is Nothing Then
        Set rFrm = CreateForm()
        rFrm.HasModule = True
    ElseIf TypeOf rObj Is Access.Form Then
        Set rFrm = rObj
    ElseIf TypeOf rObj Is Access.Controls Then
        Set rFrm = rObj.Parent
    Else
        Exit Sub
    End If

    i = rFrm.Controls.Count
    Do
        Set rText = CreateControl(rFrm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , (i
Mod 100) * 100, (i \ 100) * 400, 200, 200)
        Set rLabel = CreateControl(rFrm.Name, acLabel, , rText.Name, "", (i
Mod 100) * 100 + 50, (i \ 100) * 400, 200, 200)
        i = i + 1
    Loop While i < 2000

ExitHere:
    Debug.Print "Control  Count: " & rFrm.Controls.Count
    Exit Sub

HandleErr:
    Debug.Print "Error: " & Err.Number & vbCrLf & Err.Description & vbCrLf
& Err.Source
    GoTo ExitHere
End Sub

-Ken

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec 14 16:36:08 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:36:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560147A@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Aaaah, those are good points.  In the past virtually all my forms are unbound and I rarely used datasheet view - although in my current role I do a lot more.  Mind you in this role performance trumps elegance so it doesn't matter if the form looks a bit scrappy as I, or the immediate team, are the only users.  And we know how to fix it if something goes *splat*.  Thanks for shedding some light onto this.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2011 7:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

>
> William Benson:
> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to 
> a new form and renaming the form suffice?
>

Because you also have to manually duplicate all of the form properties,
which don't copy over automatically.

For example, if your form allows datasheets, all the column width settings
will be reset to their defaults.

Further, the copy-and-paste approach can mess up subtle things like display
order, so controls that show up on the original won't be visible on the
copy.

Thus, if all you need to do is reset the count, I recommend my method,
because the whole form gets copied, leaving no surprises.

Charlotte Foust:
> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
> place.
>

Giving controls meaningful names is best practice. But that doesn't reset
the counter.

Try modifying Jim's code to give each control a non-default name before the
next is created. The limit didn't change for me.

-Ken
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From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 17:10:38 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:10:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 20:12:16 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:12:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601ccbace$f819ee20$e84dca60$@gmail.com>

And how do you recommend deleting *precisely* the first 400 controls?;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:11 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit
the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 06:47:16 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:47:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
Message-ID: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>

I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I don't know xyz, but I 
often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a circle somehow.

I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from Facebook...

You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to do something bad to my 
computer.

I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running scripts in firefox 
which just saved my bacon.

It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful and I still got suckered. 
  Only my safeguards saved me.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 07:09:27 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:09:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, I don't accept friends I don't know on FB.  There are scams out there
that are VERY sophisticated!

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I
> don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a
> circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
> do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
> and I still got suckered.  Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>
>

From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec 15 07:12:35 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:12:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001401ccbb2b$366c0b20$a3442160$@comcast.net>

Facebook?  What's Facebook?  I have work to do!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Yep, I don't accept friends I don't know on FB.  There are scams out there
that are VERY sophisticated!

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
> out in a circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
> page to do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
> careful and I still got suckered.  Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://database
> advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 07:59:23 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:59:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <22B9B17F85FA41CF9E3DA333A1EADC84@SusanHarkins>

I turned my facebook messaging off -- if anything comes to my inbox like 
that, I totally ignore it. No question, I know it's not legit.

Susan H.


>I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I 
>don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a 
>circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to 
> do something bad to my computer.


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 08:10:53 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:10:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001ccbb33$5ba3cf10$12eb6d30$@gmail.com>

Was it mentioned that the control count hits 1040 before erroring out in
Access 2010:

Microsoft Access can't create any more controls on this form or report.
Database13
Control  Count: 1040


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:11 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit
the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 08:14:39 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:14:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
References: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003101ccbb33$e2c18000$a8448000$@gmail.com>

Uh, yes it was, thanks Jim D. on Dec 13.

-----Original Message-----
From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Was it mentioned that the control count hits 1040 before erroring out in
Access 2010:

Microsoft Access can't create any more controls on this form or report.
Database13
Control  Count: 1040


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:11 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit
the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 08:18:06 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:18:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>

Whew!  Glad your safeguards protected you. I had a virus creep in a
year or so back. I know I messed up and did something I knew I
shouldn't have. Took me about 10 hours of messing around to get it
back the way it was. It became a quest to defeat the b at st@rds that did
it to me though.

GK

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook. ?I
> don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a
> circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link... ?It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
> do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running
> scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though. ?I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
> and I still got suckered. ?Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Dec 15 09:39:36 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:39:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <21D3D45A0B814AEAACDE39A52483D58D@XPS>


 Really scary I know...some of the stuff is getting pretty darn good.

 Almost got bit last year.  E-mail came in telling me I had a problem with
something, which by coincidence I had just done the previous day and it
looked legit.  Clicked without thinking and Trend saved my butt.  After the
blocked page message came up, it was only then that I realized I should not
be getting an e-mail like that. That was too close for comfort<g>

 And here I am the one telling everybody "Don't click on anything in an
e-mail" and absolutely know better then not to.

  Part of the problem is though, there are still people sending e-mails
(valid ones) with links in them (NY's Easy pass comes to mind).

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 07:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I
don't know xyz, but I 
often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a circle somehow.

I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
Facebook...

You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
do something bad to my 
computer.

I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running
scripts in firefox 
which just saved my bacon.

It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
and I still got suckered. 
  Only my safeguards saved me.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 10:02:21 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:02:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <22B9B17F85FA41CF9E3DA333A1EADC84@SusanHarkins>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<22B9B17F85FA41CF9E3DA333A1EADC84@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <4EEA1A0D.2020109@colbyconsulting.com>

 >> I turned my facebook messaging off

LOL, I discovered that Facebook had "opted me in" to a TON of crap that they were sending.  Of 
course I went in and disabled it but it is truly annoying that they would do that, and it raises the 
question - am I opted in to whatever they may decide I really should be receiving in the future? 
Where do these companies get off deciding that they can send me crap I didn't ask for?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/15/2011 8:59 AM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> I turned my facebook messaging off -- if anything comes to my inbox like that, I totally ignore it.
> No question, I know it's not legit.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook. I don't know xyz, but I
>> often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link... It *looked* just like those things from Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to do something bad to my
>> computer.
>


From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Dec 15 10:05:08 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:05:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the past.

Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main" PC that I use for work purposes.

Use an iPad for "web surfing"
Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one
Use Microsoft Security Essentials (free) 

Brad
   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thu 12/15/2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
 
Whew!  Glad your safeguards protected you. I had a virus creep in a
year or so back. I know I messed up and did something I knew I
shouldn't have. Took me about 10 hours of messing around to get it
back the way it was. It became a quest to defeat the b at st@rds that did
it to me though.

GK

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook. ?I
> don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a
> circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link... ?It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
> do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running
> scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though. ?I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
> and I still got suckered. ?Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From kathryn at bassett.net  Thu Dec 15 13:35:47 2011
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:35:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>

I'm fortunate! I've never ended up with a virus and I've been online since
the beginning. Now my husband, on the other hand... I'm glad he's got his
own computer.
--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the
> past.
> 
> Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main"
> PC that I use for work purposes.
> 
> Use an iPad for "web surfing"
> Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one Use
> Microsoft Security Essentials (free)
> 
> Brad



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Dec 15 14:32:54 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:32:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
Message-ID: <ACD2F5E2-6C6C-471A-9112-4F20EFDE6270@phulse.com>

I think the last time I had a virus, it was a boot sector virus from an infected floppy via the sneakernet.

Saying that, viruses are so advanced these days that, just because you think you are clean, you could still very well be infected by something on a root kit level. The truth is, as soon as you spot an infection, you cannot trust your pc anymore even if your antivirus claims to have cleaned your machine. The only thing to do is format your machine completely and reinstall.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2011-12-15, at 11:35 AM, "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net> wrote:

> I'm fortunate! I've never ended up with a virus and I've been online since
> the beginning. Now my husband, on the other hand... I'm glad he's got his
> own computer.
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net   
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:05 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>> 
>> I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the
>> past.
>> 
>> Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main"
>> PC that I use for work purposes.
>> 
>> Use an iPad for "web surfing"
>> Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one Use
>> Microsoft Security Essentials (free)
>> 
>> Brad
> 
> 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:05:30 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:05:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>

I had one for the first time earlier this year.  I still haven't figured
out where it came from,  but it was the joke virus, so it didn't do any
actual damage just slowed my machine down.  I switched to Vipre Internet
Security after that, since it was the only thing I found that actually
removed it.

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net>wrote:

> I'm fortunate! I've never ended up with a virus and I've been online since
> the beginning. Now my husband, on the other hand... I'm glad he's got his
> own computer.
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:05 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> >
> > I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the
> > past.
> >
> > Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main"
> > PC that I use for work purposes.
> >
> > Use an iPad for "web surfing"
> > Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one Use
> > Microsoft Security Essentials (free)
> >
> > Brad
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:33:22 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:33:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>

Further to Hans's message (this learned the hard way)... Next time you buy
or rebuild a machine, install all essential software (just the really core
stuff, your choices may vary), and nothing else. As soon as you've done
that, create a rescue disc (CD might be enough, more likely single-layer
DVD, possibly dual-layer DVD), so that everything essential can be
recovered in one swoop. In my case, this includes such utils as NoteTab,
winRAR and others, Office 2010 and SQL Server, which I deem essential;
that's a pretty big footprint, granted, but that's the essential house. It
all fits on a single DVD, and that makes it drop-dead simple to fix it all
in the ugly event of a disk-crash, etc.

I've been to Hell and back too many times to list. Finally I have a
procedure that works. It doesn't do everything, but it puts me back on
solid-footing with a couple of clicks. I can't afford TB-sized backups so I
make do with my humble means, but it works.

A.

From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Dec 15 15:37:20 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:37:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole thing in just over an hour.

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Further to Hans's message (this learned the hard way)... Next time you buy or rebuild a machine, install all essential software (just the really core stuff, your choices may vary), and nothing else. As soon as you've done that, create a rescue disc (CD might be enough, more likely single-layer DVD, possibly dual-layer DVD), so that everything essential can be recovered in one swoop. In my case, this includes such utils as NoteTab, winRAR and others, Office 2010 and SQL Server, which I deem essential; that's a pretty big footprint, granted, but that's the essential house. It all fits on a single DVD, and that makes it drop-dead simple to fix it all in the ugly event of a disk-crash, etc.

I've been to Hell and back too many times to list. Finally I have a procedure that works. It doesn't do everything, but it puts me back on solid-footing with a couple of clicks. I can't afford TB-sized backups so I make do with my humble means, but it works.

A.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 15:37:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:37:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries, References and some subtleties to be considered
Message-ID: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>

I use libraries - MDAs - to hold common code, variables and constants.  Libraries are essentially 
places to put common code so that many different applications can do things the same way.  If a bug 
is found it can be fixed in the library, in just one place.

It is possible for a lib to reference another lib.  For example my C2DbFW3G understands and uses my 
Presentation Level Security System and so it references C2DbPLSS.  However C2DbPLSS is a standalone 
library, i.e. it can be used without my FW3G.  Should I have just merged the two into one big lib? 
That is a conversation for another day.

While on this subject, two more things.  There can be no circular references between libs, i.e. FW3G 
cannot reference PLSS *and* PLSS also reference FW3G.  Any lib can reference another lib but the 
reference can never "circle back around".  Additionally the order of reference comes into play if 
there are two functions, classes, variables etc with the same name.  We all understand the scope 
thing (local function, module, global) but the same issue exists in libraries in that if a name is 
not found in the local container the compiler starts looking at other referenced objects, starting 
from the top reference in the references dialog and working down.

This can cause oddities if we have a function (for example) with the same name found in the 
application and the library.  Code in the application will use the function inside of the 
application container, whereas code in the library will use the function in the library container. 
If you use libraries and you write a function and move it to the library, do not forget to delete 
the function from the application or you will have problems.

I have two main libraries, C2DbFW3G which is the 3rd generation of my framework, and C2DbPLSS which 
is my Presentation Level Security System.

Having an application reference a library causes some issues shall we say which do not exist if you 
do not use them, and I just thought I would walk through my findings and how I handle things in 
order to start a conversation on the subject.

Some tidbits in no particular order.

When the developer references a library they do so via a browse button and so the reference ends up 
specific to a location available from the developer's machine.  This implies that the location may 
or may not be available to another user opening the application.

When the application opens, it tries to find the file at the location specified in the existing 
reference.  If found it uses that copy of the library, no questions asked.

If the library cannot be found at that referenced location then the application silently begins to 
search a set of paths to find the library.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824255

If the library is found the search immediately ceases and the reference is "fixed up" to point to 
that location.  When the application closes it saves that new reference location.  So the 
application has been silently "re-referenced" to the new location.  When I say silently, I mean that 
there is no immediate in-your-face indication that any of this happened.

This silent re-reference can cause odd problems.  Let's take some real life scenarios that I 
encounter at my client.

I have a directory on my C: drive at the client called C:\Dev\DisNew\  This path, in particular the 
Dev\ part, is unique to my machine (standing for development).  I build a framework and an 
application in this location.  I reference the lib from the application, browsing to that location 
and voila, the reference points to a library in a location that does not physically exist anywhere 
else in the company.

I copy the two files up to X:\DisNew\Test which is the production (X:\DisNew) test directory.  the 
user has a batch file which builds a directory on their local C: drive, copies the library and 
application to that local directory and opens the application.  The application tries to find the 
lib at my dev directory and fails, so it tries to find it in the local directory and succeeds.  Life 
is good.

Now... I go into the X:\Disnew\Tester directory and open the application file.  Guess what happens? 
  The application opens and tests the reference and... finds it because it can see my dev path.  The 
file works.  Life is good, nothing changes.

A user goes into the X:\DisNew\Tester directory and opens the application file and ... the 
application cannot find my dev directory so it starts "the search".  It finds the library in the 
X:\DisNew\Test directory and re-references and the application works.  Now when the user closes the 
file... the file is referenced to the lib on the network.  Life is no longer good!

Now we decide that the application file tests good and copy it to production where it is copied, 
along with the lib down to the user's hard disk.  The user opens the copy on their hard disk and... 
the application is referenced to the lib on the network (test directory) and so it opens the lib on 
the network.  Now I am trying to copy a new version of the lib to tester and the file is locked.  Or 
something.  Life is not good.

Let's discuss decompile for a minute.  Decompile flushes the pcode buffers in the Access container, 
which, simply put, means that all of the "compiled" code is flushed out.  Yes I understand that 
Access is an interpreter but it actually compiles the English (VBA) language stuff we write into 
P-Code and interprets the P-Code.  The compile of the Decompile / Compile matched pair simply 
recompiles every single line of VBA code into P-Code and stuffs it back into the buffers.

When you perform a decompile / compile, you *REALLY* need to decompile / compile the library first, 
then the application using the application.  I don't understand all of the stuff but apparently 
there is a table of pointers built by the compile, things like the entry point to functions and the 
locations of constant and variables.  Apparently when you compile the application, it goes out and 
searches the library for these tables in order to correctly call functions and variables in the library.

But why do we do a decompile / compile in the first place?  Because it is possible and in fact not 
uncommon, for the P-Code to get corrupted over time.  If the lib is corrupted and you recompile the 
app, then the app calls into corrupted lib stuff.  So, decompile / compile the lib *before* you 
decompile the application that references the lib.  And if you decompile / compile the lib, then you 
must must *must* recompile the app because the lib entry points and variables might change.

Guess what?  If you happen to get confused and decompile / compile anything on a network share... it 
may (or may not) cause weird things like the app refusing to close.  So never never *never* 
decompile / compile anything that is not local to your hard disk.

Unfortunately the simple fact that FW3G references the PLSS does not expose the PLSS on through to 
the application.  So C2DbFW3G references C2DbPLSS and the application references C2DbPLSS *and* 
C2DbFW3G because it directly uses code in both.  Oh my goodness.  Now I have to decompile / compile 
the PLSS first, then the FW3G (because it references PLSS), and then the application (which directly 
references both libs).  All of this must be done on my local machine so as to avoid the "can't 
close" issue discussed above, and then copied to the final destination for public consumption.

Furthermore I need to make sure that I reference the PLSS in the FW3G to the DEV path on my local 
machine, and likewise reference PLSS and FW3G inside of the application to the dev path of my local 
machine.  Why?  Because that path is not public to the company and will trigger the re-reference 
when the user downloads all this stuff to their local machine.

But wait, there's more.  I have three different applications that use the PLSS and the framework. 
So if I decompile / compile the PLSS / FW3G, all of the applications that use these libs need to be 
recompiled.  Again, if I make changes to the libs, any app that I do not decompile will not 
reacquire the pointer tables in the libs and may start to fail.

And around and around we go.

I use batch files to copy these pieces to the user's system so that the user ends up with local 
copies and doesn't end up permanently re-referencing things back to the production location.  This 
works reasonably well as long as everyone plays by the rules.  If anyone (other than myself) 
actually opens any of these files up in tester or production, then the references silently change 
and things go south in a hurry.  It took me awhile to figure out that this was happening (a long 
time ago) and it took me awhile to remember that this occurs when I started having strange things 
happening recently.  That is the reason for starting this thread, to remind the list how this stuff 
works and to get input from other list members on their experiences with this stuff.

I am a believer in libraries to hold common code.  They exist for the simple reason that changes to 
that code, bug fixes etc can be done in one place and propagated to every place the change is 
needed.  It is important to understand what goes on behind the scenes however or you can have some 
strange things happening that will be very difficult to figure out.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:49:44 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:49:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
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	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>

NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension
DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive
> to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole
> thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 15:48:44 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:48:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <4EEA6B3C.8070309@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, an image immediately after doing all of the install / patch stuff, then another periodically.

I have to tell you though, things like DropMyRights and noScript goes a long ways towards thwarting 
the bad guys.  Sand boxes really do work well.  running all Web facing apps in a sandbox prevents 
the nasties from doing bad stuff.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/15/2011 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> Further to Hans's message (this learned the hard way)... Next time you buy or rebuild a machine, install all essential software (just the really core stuff, your choices may vary), and nothing else. As soon as you've done that, create a rescue disc (CD might be enough, more likely single-layer DVD, possibly dual-layer DVD), so that everything essential can be recovered in one swoop. In my case, this includes such utils as NoteTab, winRAR and others, Office 2010 and SQL Server, which I deem essential; that's a pretty big footprint, granted, but that's the essential house. It all fits on a single DVD, and that makes it drop-dead simple to fix it all in the ugly event of a disk-crash, etc.
>
> I've been to Hell and back too many times to list. Finally I have a procedure that works. It doesn't do everything, but it puts me back on solid-footing with a couple of clicks. I can't afford TB-sized backups so I make do with my humble means, but it works.
>
> A.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:55:36 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:55:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EEA6B3C.8070309@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4EEA6B3C.8070309@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g-3WpVgc043P=2BuDpGRMSffELy7b6kRGFUJV-O1mNaw@mail.gmail.com>

Hearty agreement on that! I run a few VMs (not all at once, given my meager
4GB of RAM), and have come to the conclusion that it's always the safest
path to create a new VM prior to installing anything new; run it there and
see what explodes; end result is the VM explodes and the rest of my baby is
intact.

A.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:48 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> Yep, an image immediately after doing all of the install / patch stuff,
> then another periodically.
>
> I have to tell you though, things like DropMyRights and noScript goes a
> long ways towards thwarting the bad guys.  Sand boxes really do work well.
>  running all Web facing apps in a sandbox prevents the nasties from doing
> bad stuff.
>
>

From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Dec 15 16:11:30 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:11:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

DriveImageXML is free for personal use, Arthur. Only $69 for commercial use too. http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm 

????*??.?*.???.*???*??.?*.???.*?Merry*?* ?*?.
??_??_*.?*./ ? \ .?* .??.?.*.?* Christmas*? ?*
?. (?? ??)*.?*/?.?\*?.* ?_?_____.?Everyone ? ?* ?*
.?( . ? . ) ??./? '? ' ?\.?*./______/~?*. ?*.??* ?.*?
*(...'?'.. ) *????????.??? ????????*? .? ...
 
Lambert



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot 
> drive to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore 
> the whole thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 16:21:01 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:21:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUeaNJS_LwN8HdKY=VA9ZUep0frCapSoRJ6X_UWG0L-oA@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> And how do you recommend deleting *precisely* the first 400 controls?;-)
>

I tweaked Jim's code so the controls display in four rows of 200 each.

So it is easy to highlight the first two rows of controls, and delete them.

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 15 16:21:26 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:21:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560181C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all - even so I get scammer emails saying "X has commented on your photo" or "Y wants to be your friend" click on the link blah blah - not having a FB profile saves me a lot of time and bother.

Mind you, only yesterday I did have someone pop up on yahoo msgnr on a profile of someone I hadn't spoken to in years wanting me to click on a link so I could apply for a free Apple computer or product - apparently Apple are giving away product in honour of Steve Jobs.  Yeah... right....   "Delete!".

I was lucky as that one was clearly a scam.

That said, I think John has a great point - you really can't be too careful and even the experienced and knowledgeable can get caught out.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, 16 December 2011 12:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Yep, I don't accept friends I don't know on FB.  There are scams out there that are VERY sophisticated!

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
> out in a circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
> page to do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
> careful and I still got suckered.  Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 16:22:00 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:22:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j3JtX4BAAuofCqr0-R3MQEBXt2d7gzcynoUhQgKwsTWw@mail.gmail.com>

Wow that is some bitchin' Ascii composition. Bravo!

Arthur

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> DriveImageXML is free for personal use, Arthur. Only $69 for commercial
> use too. http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
>
> ????*??.?*.???.*???*??.?*.???.*?Merry*?* ?*?.
> ??_??_*.?*./ ? \ .?* .??.?.*.?* Christmas*? ?*
> ?. (?? ??)*.?*/?.?\*?.* ?_?_____.?Everyone ? ?* ?*
> .?( . ? . ) ??./? '? ' ?\.?*./______/~?*. ?*.??* ?.*?
> *(...'?'.. ) *????????.??? ????????*? .? ...
>
> Lambert
>
>
>

From hkotsch at arcor.de  Thu Dec 15 16:27:49 2011
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:27:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
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For private use DriveImage XML is free.

http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm


Two Versions of DriveImage XML are available:
Private Edition: Private home users are allowed to use the Private Edition
of DriveImage XML without charge. You are allowed to install DriveImage XML
on your home PC. You must not use DriveImage XML commercially. No support is
provided for the Private Edition.

Helmut



-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur
Fuller
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2011 22:50
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya


NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension
DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive
> to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole
> thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>
--
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Thu Dec 15 16:35:45 2011
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:35:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBEECAIMAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

For private use DriveImage XML is free.

http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm


Two Versions of DriveImage XML are available:
Private Edition: Private home users are allowed to use the Private Edition
of DriveImage XML without charge. You are allowed to install DriveImage XML
on your home PC. You must not use DriveImage XML commercially. No support is
provided for the Private Edition.

Helmut


-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur
Fuller
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2011 22:50
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya


NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension
DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive
> to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole
> thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec 15 16:40:25 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:40:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>

Yes - Library referencing can be a pain.

At my customers each client has a shortcut which points to an AutoUpdater
file.  The AutoUpdater file will check to see if the Main and Library files
on the client are older than the files on the server.  If so, it will copy
those files up to the client in the same folder.

But here's the problem - the main file on the client will still reference
the library file on the server.  The way I get around that is to leave the
library file on the server with an XX in the name - that way the main file
on the client can't find it so it re-references to the library file on the
client (they're in the same folder).

When the autoupdater file does its thing, it compares modified dates between
Library.mdb on the client and LibraryXX.mdb on the server.  If the server
has the newer file, then autoupdater will copy and rename the LibraryXX.mdb
file on the server to Library.mdb on the client.

Another problem is that the Library.mdb file is renamed on the server (your
dev/test system), so you can't open it until you manually retype the name,
and then you have to remember to retype it back when you're done.  To solve
that I made a ChangeXX.mdb file.  It has an AutoExec macro which runs the
following code:

'------------------------
Public Function StartupChangeXX()
On Error GoTo EH

    Dim stg As String
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim blnAddXX As Boolean
    Dim stgXXFile As String
    Dim stgExtension As String
    Dim stgPrompt As String
    Dim blnNeedManualPrompt As Boolean
    Dim blnFoundAllClear As Boolean
    Dim blnFoundAllXX As Boolean
    Dim blnFirstLoopComplete As Boolean
    Dim stgSystemMode As String
    
    stgSystemMode = Command()
'    stgSystemMode = "Review"  '-- TEST
    
    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

    '-- Do the files exist?
    stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
        & " WHERE SystemMode = '" & stgSystemMode & "'"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
    Do While rst.EOF = False
    
        stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
        stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
& " XX ." & stgExtension
            
        If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = False And
fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = False Then
            MsgBox "The file " & rst("FileFullPath") & " does not exist!",
vbExclamation + vbOKOnly, "Missing File"
            rst.Close
            Set rst = Nothing
            Application.Quit
        End If
        
        rst.MoveNext
        
    Loop
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    
    
    '-- Are all files clear or all XX?
    stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
        & " WHERE SystemMode = '" & stgSystemMode & "'"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
    Do While rst.EOF = False
        
        If blnFirstLoopComplete = False Then
            If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
                blnFoundAllClear = True
                blnAddXX = True
            Else
                blnFoundAllClear = False
                blnAddXX = False
            End If
            blnFirstLoopComplete = True
        Else
            If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
                If blnFoundAllClear = False Then
                    blnNeedManualPrompt = True
                    Exit Do
                End If
            Else
                If blnFoundAllClear = True Then
                    blnNeedManualPrompt = True
                    Exit Do
                End If
            End If
        End If
            
        rst.MoveNext
        
    Loop
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    
    
    '-- Select to add XX or Remove XX
    If blnNeedManualPrompt = True Then
        stgPrompt = "Push Yes to add XX." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Push No to remove XX."
        If MsgBox(stgPrompt, vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton2,
"Change XX") = vbYes Then
            blnAddXX = True
        Else
            blnAddXX = False
        End If
    End If


    '-- Add or remove XX
    stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
        & " WHERE SystemMode = '" & stgSystemMode & "'"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
    Do While rst.EOF = False
    
        stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
        stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
& " XX ." & stgExtension
            
        If blnAddXX = True Then
        
            If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
                fso.CopyFile rst("FileFullPath"), stgXXFile, True
                fso.DeleteFile rst("FileFullPath")
            End If
            
        Else
        
            If fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = True Then
                fso.CopyFile stgXXFile, rst("FileFullPath"), True
                fso.DeleteFile stgXXFile
            End If
        
        End If
    
        rst.MoveNext
        
    Loop
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    
    
    If blnAddXX = True Then
        CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Added XX.", 1, "XX Change"
    Else
        CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Removed XX.", 1, "XX Change"
    End If
    
    Application.Quit

    Exit Function
    
EH:
    MsgBox "Error!" _
        & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
        & "Code: " & Err.Number & vbNewLine _
        & "Desc: " & Err.Description & vbNewLine _
        & "Line: " & Erl

End Function
'-----------------------

There is also a tblParameters which contains information about which actual
system I'm working on - I have three at each customer.  Prod, Test, and
Review.  The shortcut on the desktop which opens ChangeXX.mdb has a command
argument (like '/cmd Test') so the code will know which system it's supposed
to be working on.

Also, there is a popup message that stays open for 1 second to tell me
whether it added the XX or removed the XX, then ChangeXX.mdb quits.  

Just click the ChangeXX shortcut on the server's desktop until it says
'Added XX' or 'Removed XX', and you're done!

Hope this helps!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] libraries, References and some subtleties to be
considered

I use libraries - MDAs - to hold common code, variables and constants.
Libraries are essentially places to put common code so that many different
applications can do things the same way.  If a bug is found it can be fixed
in the library, in just one place.

It is possible for a lib to reference another lib.  For example my C2DbFW3G
understands and uses my Presentation Level Security System and so it
references C2DbPLSS.  However C2DbPLSS is a standalone library, i.e. it can
be used without my FW3G.  Should I have just merged the two into one big
lib? 
That is a conversation for another day.

While on this subject, two more things.  There can be no circular references
between libs, i.e. FW3G cannot reference PLSS *and* PLSS also reference
FW3G.  Any lib can reference another lib but the reference can never "circle
back around".  Additionally the order of reference comes into play if there
are two functions, classes, variables etc with the same name.  We all
understand the scope thing (local function, module, global) but the same
issue exists in libraries in that if a name is not found in the local
container the compiler starts looking at other referenced objects, starting
from the top reference in the references dialog and working down.

This can cause oddities if we have a function (for example) with the same
name found in the application and the library.  Code in the application will
use the function inside of the application container, whereas code in the
library will use the function in the library container. 
If you use libraries and you write a function and move it to the library, do
not forget to delete the function from the application or you will have
problems.

I have two main libraries, C2DbFW3G which is the 3rd generation of my
framework, and C2DbPLSS which is my Presentation Level Security System.

Having an application reference a library causes some issues shall we say
which do not exist if you do not use them, and I just thought I would walk
through my findings and how I handle things in order to start a conversation
on the subject.

Some tidbits in no particular order.

When the developer references a library they do so via a browse button and
so the reference ends up specific to a location available from the
developer's machine.  This implies that the location may or may not be
available to another user opening the application.

When the application opens, it tries to find the file at the location
specified in the existing reference.  If found it uses that copy of the
library, no questions asked.

If the library cannot be found at that referenced location then the
application silently begins to search a set of paths to find the library.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824255

If the library is found the search immediately ceases and the reference is
"fixed up" to point to that location.  When the application closes it saves
that new reference location.  So the application has been silently
"re-referenced" to the new location.  When I say silently, I mean that there
is no immediate in-your-face indication that any of this happened.

This silent re-reference can cause odd problems.  Let's take some real life
scenarios that I encounter at my client.

I have a directory on my C: drive at the client called C:\Dev\DisNew\  This
path, in particular the Dev\ part, is unique to my machine (standing for
development).  I build a framework and an application in this location.  I
reference the lib from the application, browsing to that location and voila,
the reference points to a library in a location that does not physically
exist anywhere else in the company.

I copy the two files up to X:\DisNew\Test which is the production
(X:\DisNew) test directory.  the user has a batch file which builds a
directory on their local C: drive, copies the library and application to
that local directory and opens the application.  The application tries to
find the lib at my dev directory and fails, so it tries to find it in the
local directory and succeeds.  Life is good.

Now... I go into the X:\Disnew\Tester directory and open the application
file.  Guess what happens? 
  The application opens and tests the reference and... finds it because it
can see my dev path.  The file works.  Life is good, nothing changes.

A user goes into the X:\DisNew\Tester directory and opens the application
file and ... the application cannot find my dev directory so it starts "the
search".  It finds the library in the X:\DisNew\Test directory and
re-references and the application works.  Now when the user closes the
file... the file is referenced to the lib on the network.  Life is no longer
good!

Now we decide that the application file tests good and copy it to production
where it is copied, along with the lib down to the user's hard disk.  The
user opens the copy on their hard disk and... 
the application is referenced to the lib on the network (test directory) and
so it opens the lib on the network.  Now I am trying to copy a new version
of the lib to tester and the file is locked.  Or something.  Life is not
good.

Let's discuss decompile for a minute.  Decompile flushes the pcode buffers
in the Access container, which, simply put, means that all of the "compiled"
code is flushed out.  Yes I understand that Access is an interpreter but it
actually compiles the English (VBA) language stuff we write into P-Code and
interprets the P-Code.  The compile of the Decompile / Compile matched pair
simply recompiles every single line of VBA code into P-Code and stuffs it
back into the buffers.

When you perform a decompile / compile, you *REALLY* need to decompile /
compile the library first, then the application using the application.  I
don't understand all of the stuff but apparently there is a table of
pointers built by the compile, things like the entry point to functions and
the locations of constant and variables.  Apparently when you compile the
application, it goes out and searches the library for these tables in order
to correctly call functions and variables in the library.

But why do we do a decompile / compile in the first place?  Because it is
possible and in fact not uncommon, for the P-Code to get corrupted over
time.  If the lib is corrupted and you recompile the app, then the app calls
into corrupted lib stuff.  So, decompile / compile the lib *before* you
decompile the application that references the lib.  And if you decompile /
compile the lib, then you must must *must* recompile the app because the lib
entry points and variables might change.

Guess what?  If you happen to get confused and decompile / compile anything
on a network share... it may (or may not) cause weird things like the app
refusing to close.  So never never *never* decompile / compile anything that
is not local to your hard disk.

Unfortunately the simple fact that FW3G references the PLSS does not expose
the PLSS on through to the application.  So C2DbFW3G references C2DbPLSS and
the application references C2DbPLSS *and* C2DbFW3G because it directly uses
code in both.  Oh my goodness.  Now I have to decompile / compile the PLSS
first, then the FW3G (because it references PLSS), and then the application
(which directly references both libs).  All of this must be done on my local
machine so as to avoid the "can't close" issue discussed above, and then
copied to the final destination for public consumption.

Furthermore I need to make sure that I reference the PLSS in the FW3G to the
DEV path on my local machine, and likewise reference PLSS and FW3G inside of
the application to the dev path of my local machine.  Why?  Because that
path is not public to the company and will trigger the re-reference when the
user downloads all this stuff to their local machine.

But wait, there's more.  I have three different applications that use the
PLSS and the framework. 
So if I decompile / compile the PLSS / FW3G, all of the applications that
use these libs need to be recompiled.  Again, if I make changes to the libs,
any app that I do not decompile will not reacquire the pointer tables in the
libs and may start to fail.


And around and around we go.

I use batch files to copy these pieces to the user's system so that the user
ends up with local copies and doesn't end up permanently re-referencing
things back to the production location.  This works reasonably well as long
as everyone plays by the rules.  If anyone (other than myself) actually
opens any of these files up in tester or production, then the references
silently change and things go south in a hurry.  It took me awhile to figure
out that this was happening (a long time ago) and it took me awhile to
remember that this occurs when I started having strange things happening
recently.  That is the reason for starting this thread, to remind the list
how this stuff works and to get input from other list members on their
experiences with this stuff.

I am a believer in libraries to hold common code.  They exist for the simple
reason that changes to that code, bug fixes etc can be done in one place and
propagated to every place the change is needed.  It is important to
understand what goes on behind the scenes however or you can have some
strange things happening that will be very difficult to figure out.

--
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 17:08:13 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:08:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Here is my proposal for how to best fix Form Control Limit problems:

Control Limits
===========
Access imposes limits on how may controls you can put on a form or report:
A97 - 753
A2000 - 800
A2002 - 894
A2007 - 1040
A2010 - 1040
Thanks to Jim Dettman for working out these limits.

If you try to add more controls than your version of Access allows, you
will see:
Error: 29053
<database> can't create any more controls on this form or report.

At this point, check the number of controls on the form:
? forms("Form1").Controls.Count

If that number is less than the stated limit, you can still add more
controls, but you have to reset the control counter. Here's how:

Access 2000 or Later
=================
If you CREATED the form in Access 2000 or later, follow these steps:
Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path & "\Form_Form1"
Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
"\Form_Form1"

This should reset your control list, allowing you to keep adding up to the
stated limit. Notes:
  * This is a lot easier than copying the controls to a new form, and
manually changing all form properties to match the old
  * EatBloat will also reset the counter for such forms, as it uses this
basic technique

Access 97
========
If the form was created in Access 97, and you imported it into a later
version, there is more work to do. Follow these steps:

1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
and 'text234'. This eliminates all possibility of name collisions.

2. In the Immediate window, count the number of controls:
? Forms("Form1").Controls.Count

2. Save the form as text:
Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
"\Form_Form1.txt"

3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
edit it to the number of controls +1:
ItemSuffix =128

4. Import the form using:
Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
"\Form_Form1.txt"

-Ken

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 18:09:39 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:09:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7k-PWi3EdjV2-Sf=2QVjFk+bZ9M=Srjed-9jqFWeJv+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Control name property is read only in runtime right? So for ac97 this a
manual find and rename operation?
On Dec 15, 2011 6:09 PM, "Kenneth Ismert" <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is my proposal for how to best fix Form Control Limit problems:
>
> Control Limits
> ===========
> Access imposes limits on how may controls you can put on a form or report:
> A97 - 753
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
> Thanks to Jim Dettman for working out these limits.
>
> If you try to add more controls than your version of Access allows, you
> will see:
> Error: 29053
> <database> can't create any more controls on this form or report.
>
> At this point, check the number of controls on the form:
> ? forms("Form1").Controls.Count
>
> If that number is less than the stated limit, you can still add more
> controls, but you have to reset the control counter. Here's how:
>
> Access 2000 or Later
> =================
> If you CREATED the form in Access 2000 or later, follow these steps:
> Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path & "\Form_Form1"
> Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\Form_Form1"
>
> This should reset your control list, allowing you to keep adding up to the
> stated limit. Notes:
>  * This is a lot easier than copying the controls to a new form, and
> manually changing all form properties to match the old
>  * EatBloat will also reset the counter for such forms, as it uses this
> basic technique
>
> Access 97
> ========
> If the form was created in Access 97, and you imported it into a later
> version, there is more work to do. Follow these steps:
>
> 1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
> and 'text234'. This eliminates all possibility of name collisions.
>
> 2. In the Immediate window, count the number of controls:
> ? Forms("Form1").Controls.Count
>
> 2. Save the form as text:
> Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\Form_Form1.txt"
>
> 3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
> edit it to the number of controls +1:
> ItemSuffix =128
>
> 4. Import the form using:
> Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\Form_Form1.txt"
>
> -Ken
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>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 20:50:39 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:50:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
	<006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks for those suggestions.  My methods are crude and I have always wanted to get a little more 
sophisticated.  I will have to spend a little time thinking about the suggestions you discuss.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/15/2011 5:40 PM, Dan Waters wrote:
> Yes - Library referencing can be a pain.
>
> At my customers each client has a shortcut which points to an AutoUpdater
> file.  The AutoUpdater file will check to see if the Main and Library files
> on the client are older than the files on the server.  If so, it will copy
> those files up to the client in the same folder.
>
> But here's the problem - the main file on the client will still reference
> the library file on the server.  The way I get around that is to leave the
> library file on the server with an XX in the name - that way the main file
> on the client can't find it so it re-references to the library file on the
> client (they're in the same folder).
>
> When the autoupdater file does its thing, it compares modified dates between
> Library.mdb on the client and LibraryXX.mdb on the server.  If the server
> has the newer file, then autoupdater will copy and rename the LibraryXX.mdb
> file on the server to Library.mdb on the client.
>
> Another problem is that the Library.mdb file is renamed on the server (your
> dev/test system), so you can't open it until you manually retype the name,
> and then you have to remember to retype it back when you're done.  To solve
> that I made a ChangeXX.mdb file.  It has an AutoExec macro which runs the
> following code:
>
> '------------------------
> Public Function StartupChangeXX()
> On Error GoTo EH
>
>      Dim stg As String
>      Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
>      Dim fso As FileSystemObject
>      Dim blnAddXX As Boolean
>      Dim stgXXFile As String
>      Dim stgExtension As String
>      Dim stgPrompt As String
>      Dim blnNeedManualPrompt As Boolean
>      Dim blnFoundAllClear As Boolean
>      Dim blnFoundAllXX As Boolean
>      Dim blnFirstLoopComplete As Boolean
>      Dim stgSystemMode As String
>
>      stgSystemMode = Command()
> '    stgSystemMode = "Review"  '-- TEST
>
>      Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
>      '-- Do the files exist?
>      stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
>          &  " WHERE SystemMode = '"&  stgSystemMode&  "'"
>      Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
>      Do While rst.EOF = False
>
>          stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
>          stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
> &  " XX ."&  stgExtension
>
>          If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = False And
> fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = False Then
>              MsgBox "The file "&  rst("FileFullPath")&  " does not exist!",
> vbExclamation + vbOKOnly, "Missing File"
>              rst.Close
>              Set rst = Nothing
>              Application.Quit
>          End If
>
>          rst.MoveNext
>
>      Loop
>      rst.Close
>      Set rst = Nothing
>
>
>      '-- Are all files clear or all XX?
>      stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
>          &  " WHERE SystemMode = '"&  stgSystemMode&  "'"
>      Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
>      Do While rst.EOF = False
>
>          If blnFirstLoopComplete = False Then
>              If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
>                  blnFoundAllClear = True
>                  blnAddXX = True
>              Else
>                  blnFoundAllClear = False
>                  blnAddXX = False
>              End If
>              blnFirstLoopComplete = True
>          Else
>              If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
>                  If blnFoundAllClear = False Then
>                      blnNeedManualPrompt = True
>                      Exit Do
>                  End If
>              Else
>                  If blnFoundAllClear = True Then
>                      blnNeedManualPrompt = True
>                      Exit Do
>                  End If
>              End If
>          End If
>
>          rst.MoveNext
>
>      Loop
>      rst.Close
>      Set rst = Nothing
>
>
>      '-- Select to add XX or Remove XX
>      If blnNeedManualPrompt = True Then
>          stgPrompt = "Push Yes to add XX." _
>              &  vbNewLine&  vbNewLine _
>              &  "Push No to remove XX."
>          If MsgBox(stgPrompt, vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton2,
> "Change XX") = vbYes Then
>              blnAddXX = True
>          Else
>              blnAddXX = False
>          End If
>      End If
>
>
>      '-- Add or remove XX
>      stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
>          &  " WHERE SystemMode = '"&  stgSystemMode&  "'"
>      Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
>      Do While rst.EOF = False
>
>          stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
>          stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
> &  " XX ."&  stgExtension
>
>          If blnAddXX = True Then
>
>              If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
>                  fso.CopyFile rst("FileFullPath"), stgXXFile, True
>                  fso.DeleteFile rst("FileFullPath")
>              End If
>
>          Else
>
>              If fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = True Then
>                  fso.CopyFile stgXXFile, rst("FileFullPath"), True
>                  fso.DeleteFile stgXXFile
>              End If
>
>          End If
>
>          rst.MoveNext
>
>      Loop
>      rst.Close
>      Set rst = Nothing
>
>
>      If blnAddXX = True Then
>          CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Added XX.", 1, "XX Change"
>      Else
>          CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Removed XX.", 1, "XX Change"
>      End If
>
>      Application.Quit
>
>      Exit Function
>
> EH:
>      MsgBox "Error!" _
>          &  vbNewLine&  vbNewLine _
>          &  "Code: "&  Err.Number&  vbNewLine _
>          &  "Desc: "&  Err.Description&  vbNewLine _
>          &  "Line: "&  Erl
>
> End Function
> '-----------------------
>
> There is also a tblParameters which contains information about which actual
> system I'm working on - I have three at each customer.  Prod, Test, and
> Review.  The shortcut on the desktop which opens ChangeXX.mdb has a command
> argument (like '/cmd Test') so the code will know which system it's supposed
> to be working on.
>
> Also, there is a popup message that stays open for 1 second to tell me
> whether it added the XX or removed the XX, then ChangeXX.mdb quits.
>
> Just click the ChangeXX shortcut on the server's desktop until it says
> 'Added XX' or 'Removed XX', and you're done!
>
> Hope this helps!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] libraries, References and some subtleties to be
> considered
>
> I use libraries - MDAs - to hold common code, variables and constants.
> Libraries are essentially places to put common code so that many different
> applications can do things the same way.  If a bug is found it can be fixed
> in the library, in just one place.
>
> It is possible for a lib to reference another lib.  For example my C2DbFW3G
> understands and uses my Presentation Level Security System and so it
> references C2DbPLSS.  However C2DbPLSS is a standalone library, i.e. it can
> be used without my FW3G.  Should I have just merged the two into one big
> lib?
> That is a conversation for another day.
>
> While on this subject, two more things.  There can be no circular references
> between libs, i.e. FW3G cannot reference PLSS *and* PLSS also reference
> FW3G.  Any lib can reference another lib but the reference can never "circle
> back around".  Additionally the order of reference comes into play if there
> are two functions, classes, variables etc with the same name.  We all
> understand the scope thing (local function, module, global) but the same
> issue exists in libraries in that if a name is not found in the local
> container the compiler starts looking at other referenced objects, starting
> from the top reference in the references dialog and working down.
>
> This can cause oddities if we have a function (for example) with the same
> name found in the application and the library.  Code in the application will
> use the function inside of the application container, whereas code in the
> library will use the function in the library container.
> If you use libraries and you write a function and move it to the library, do
> not forget to delete the function from the application or you will have
> problems.
>
> I have two main libraries, C2DbFW3G which is the 3rd generation of my
> framework, and C2DbPLSS which is my Presentation Level Security System.
>
> Having an application reference a library causes some issues shall we say
> which do not exist if you do not use them, and I just thought I would walk
> through my findings and how I handle things in order to start a conversation
> on the subject.
>
> Some tidbits in no particular order.
>
> When the developer references a library they do so via a browse button and
> so the reference ends up specific to a location available from the
> developer's machine.  This implies that the location may or may not be
> available to another user opening the application.
>
> When the application opens, it tries to find the file at the location
> specified in the existing reference.  If found it uses that copy of the
> library, no questions asked.
>
> If the library cannot be found at that referenced location then the
> application silently begins to search a set of paths to find the library.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824255
>
> If the library is found the search immediately ceases and the reference is
> "fixed up" to point to that location.  When the application closes it saves
> that new reference location.  So the application has been silently
> "re-referenced" to the new location.  When I say silently, I mean that there
> is no immediate in-your-face indication that any of this happened.
>
> This silent re-reference can cause odd problems.  Let's take some real life
> scenarios that I encounter at my client.
>
> I have a directory on my C: drive at the client called C:\Dev\DisNew\  This
> path, in particular the Dev\ part, is unique to my machine (standing for
> development).  I build a framework and an application in this location.  I
> reference the lib from the application, browsing to that location and voila,
> the reference points to a library in a location that does not physically
> exist anywhere else in the company.
>
> I copy the two files up to X:\DisNew\Test which is the production
> (X:\DisNew) test directory.  the user has a batch file which builds a
> directory on their local C: drive, copies the library and application to
> that local directory and opens the application.  The application tries to
> find the lib at my dev directory and fails, so it tries to find it in the
> local directory and succeeds.  Life is good.
>
> Now... I go into the X:\Disnew\Tester directory and open the application
> file.  Guess what happens?
>    The application opens and tests the reference and... finds it because it
> can see my dev path.  The file works.  Life is good, nothing changes.
>
> A user goes into the X:\DisNew\Tester directory and opens the application
> file and ... the application cannot find my dev directory so it starts "the
> search".  It finds the library in the X:\DisNew\Test directory and
> re-references and the application works.  Now when the user closes the
> file... the file is referenced to the lib on the network.  Life is no longer
> good!
>
> Now we decide that the application file tests good and copy it to production
> where it is copied, along with the lib down to the user's hard disk.  The
> user opens the copy on their hard disk and...
> the application is referenced to the lib on the network (test directory) and
> so it opens the lib on the network.  Now I am trying to copy a new version
> of the lib to tester and the file is locked.  Or something.  Life is not
> good.
>
> Let's discuss decompile for a minute.  Decompile flushes the pcode buffers
> in the Access container, which, simply put, means that all of the "compiled"
> code is flushed out.  Yes I understand that Access is an interpreter but it
> actually compiles the English (VBA) language stuff we write into P-Code and
> interprets the P-Code.  The compile of the Decompile / Compile matched pair
> simply recompiles every single line of VBA code into P-Code and stuffs it
> back into the buffers.
>
> When you perform a decompile / compile, you *REALLY* need to decompile /
> compile the library first, then the application using the application.  I
> don't understand all of the stuff but apparently there is a table of
> pointers built by the compile, things like the entry point to functions and
> the locations of constant and variables.  Apparently when you compile the
> application, it goes out and searches the library for these tables in order
> to correctly call functions and variables in the library.
>
> But why do we do a decompile / compile in the first place?  Because it is
> possible and in fact not uncommon, for the P-Code to get corrupted over
> time.  If the lib is corrupted and you recompile the app, then the app calls
> into corrupted lib stuff.  So, decompile / compile the lib *before* you
> decompile the application that references the lib.  And if you decompile /
> compile the lib, then you must must *must* recompile the app because the lib
> entry points and variables might change.
>
> Guess what?  If you happen to get confused and decompile / compile anything
> on a network share... it may (or may not) cause weird things like the app
> refusing to close.  So never never *never* decompile / compile anything that
> is not local to your hard disk.
>
> Unfortunately the simple fact that FW3G references the PLSS does not expose
> the PLSS on through to the application.  So C2DbFW3G references C2DbPLSS and
> the application references C2DbPLSS *and* C2DbFW3G because it directly uses
> code in both.  Oh my goodness.  Now I have to decompile / compile the PLSS
> first, then the FW3G (because it references PLSS), and then the application
> (which directly references both libs).  All of this must be done on my local
> machine so as to avoid the "can't close" issue discussed above, and then
> copied to the final destination for public consumption.
>
> Furthermore I need to make sure that I reference the PLSS in the FW3G to the
> DEV path on my local machine, and likewise reference PLSS and FW3G inside of
> the application to the dev path of my local machine.  Why?  Because that
> path is not public to the company and will trigger the re-reference when the
> user downloads all this stuff to their local machine.
>
> But wait, there's more.  I have three different applications that use the
> PLSS and the framework.
> So if I decompile / compile the PLSS / FW3G, all of the applications that
> use these libs need to be recompiled.  Again, if I make changes to the libs,
> any app that I do not decompile will not reacquire the pointer tables in the
> libs and may start to fail.
>
>
> And around and around we go.
>
> I use batch files to copy these pieces to the user's system so that the user
> ends up with local copies and doesn't end up permanently re-referencing
> things back to the production location.  This works reasonably well as long
> as everyone plays by the rules.  If anyone (other than myself) actually
> opens any of these files up in tester or production, then the references
> silently change and things go south in a hurry.  It took me awhile to figure
> out that this was happening (a long time ago) and it took me awhile to
> remember that this occurs when I started having strange things happening
> recently.  That is the reason for starting this thread, to remind the list
> how this stuff works and to get input from other list members on their
> experiences with this stuff.
>
> I am a believer in libraries to hold common code.  They exist for the simple
> reason that changes to that code, bug fixes etc can be done in one place and
> propagated to every place the change is needed.  It is important to
> understand what goes on behind the scenes however or you can have some
> strange things happening that will be very difficult to figure out.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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>


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 16 06:30:35 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:30:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be	considered
Message-ID: <seeb4818.042@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I think you just won the prize of the year for the longest code-less post!

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 15-12-2011 22:37 >>>
I use libraries - <snip>



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 16 06:51:55 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:51:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
Message-ID: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>

Hi Darryl

Even if you don't, some sites you visit may link back to FB (Check for "like this" or similar).

If so and if you use WinXP and IE8, you may experience that whenever you open such site, Windows resource usage at once raises from the few percent in idle mode to about 30% because of services.exe doing something unknown - probably some phone-home-to-FB thingy. It may be so aggressive that it eats every second or third keystroke you do while IE8 has focus.

A method to kill this misbehaviour is to go to Options .. Security and add to the "dirty" (non-secure) list of sites:

  *.facebook.com

Bingo! Usage drops to a few percent.

/gustav

PS: I think we are 10 people.


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 15-12-2011 23:21 >>>
I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all - 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 16 06:50:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:50:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Browser Sandbox - Run any browser instantly from the web
Message-ID: <4EEB3E98.1040206@colbyconsulting.com>

I stumbled across this today.  I have Googled Spoon.net and it appears to be up and up, and netcraft 
gives them a "zero risk" rating.

http://codingstrategist.posterous.com/what-is-spoonnet
http://spoon.net/browsers

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec 16 07:53:51 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:53:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
	<006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
	<4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>

John - great post on your use of the libraries....very few developers do
this.
My question: what is the equivalent of an MDA in AC2007, AC2010 ? An ACCDA ?
Any advantage one way or the other ?
>
> Thanks for those suggestions.  My methods are crude and I have always
> wanted to get a little more
> sophisticated.  I will have to spend a little time thinking about the
> suggestions you discuss.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting



From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Dec 16 08:05:02 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:05:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j3JtX4BAAuofCqr0-R3MQEBXt2d7gzcynoUhQgKwsTWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1j3JtX4BAAuofCqr0-R3MQEBXt2d7gzcynoUhQgKwsTWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D79@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

I cannot claim any credit. I found it on one of the many ASCII Art sites out there, and of course I cannot locate the exact source now, but here's a good one...

http://www.ascii-art.de/

Lambert :-) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 5:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Wow that is some bitchin' Ascii composition. Bravo!

Arthur

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> DriveImageXML is free for personal use, Arthur. Only $69 for 
> commercial use too. http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
>
> ????*??.?*.???.*???*??.?*.???.*?Merry*?* ?*?.
> ??_??_*.?*./ ? \ .?* .??.?.*.?* Christmas*? ?*
> ?. (?? ??)*.?*/?.?\*?.* ?_?_____.?Everyone ? ?* ?* .?( . ? . ) ??./? 
> '? ' ?\.?*./______/~?*. ?*.??* ?.*?
> *(...'?'.. ) *????????.??? ????????*? .? ...
>
> Lambert
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 16 09:07:01 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:07:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be	considered
In-Reply-To: <seeb4818.042@cactus.dk>
References: <seeb4818.042@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4EEB5E95.1070606@colbyconsulting.com>

ROTFL.  It's a convoluted subject.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/16/2011 7:30 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> I think you just won the prize of the year for the longest code-less post!
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 15-12-2011 22:37>>>
> I use libraries -<snip>
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 16 09:15:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:15:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
	<006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
	<4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>
	<005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>
Message-ID: <4EEB6097.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>

The extension .MDA is just a convention and really doesn't enforce anything.  The library can have 
an MDB, MDE or even XYZ and still be referenced and used.  I know because I just renamed one of my 
libraries to have an extension .XYZ and referenced it.

While I haven't done so I know that developers sometimes change the .MDB to .MyExt in order to 
obfuscate the fact that it an mdb file and try and keep people from opening it directly in Access. 
Access can in fact still open the file but you can no longer just double click it.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/16/2011 8:53 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> John - great post on your use of the libraries....very few developers do
> this.
> My question: what is the equivalent of an MDA in AC2007, AC2010 ? An ACCDA ?
> Any advantage one way or the other ?
>>
>> Thanks for those suggestions.  My methods are crude and I have always
>> wanted to get a little more
>> sophisticated.  I will have to spend a little time thinking about the
>> suggestions you discuss.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>
>


From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 10:14:07 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:14:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yVtD3T3+bXYkpscGdJHCZFwTpQLk0AhoUogVixkb1zujw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> Control name property is read only in runtime right? So for ac97 this a
> manual find and rename operation?
>

You're correct, name is a design-time property.

You can fairly easily write code to rename controls with the form in design
view. For the purposes of Lifetime Control Limits, the names don't even
have to be meaningful, just different from the defaults.

But this code would have to:
 * Rename control references and event handlers in the form's module
 * Find and fix all control references in form and control property
expressions, as well as in underlying queries.
 * Find and fix control references in queries, forms, reports, macros and
modules outside of the form in question.

So, if you have to maintain a monster form that was created in A97, and are
running into control limit issues, the task of fixing it could be huge.

If that is the case, maybe its time to start from scratch with a simpler
solution that spreads functionality among a number of smaller forms.

-Ken

From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 12:19:22 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:19:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
In-Reply-To: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
References: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>

Facebook defaults to that kind of behavior but it can be turned off in FB.
I do NOT post my location, and that's part of what it's doing.

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Darryl
>
> Even if you don't, some sites you visit may link back to FB (Check for
> "like this" or similar).
>
> If so and if you use WinXP and IE8, you may experience that whenever you
> open such site, Windows resource usage at once raises from the few percent
> in idle mode to about 30% because of services.exe doing something unknown -
> probably some phone-home-to-FB thingy. It may be so aggressive that it eats
> every second or third keystroke you do while IE8 has focus.
>
> A method to kill this misbehaviour is to go to Options .. Security and add
> to the "dirty" (non-secure) list of sites:
>
>  *.facebook.com
>
>
>
> Bingo! Usage drops to a few percent.
>
> /gustav
>
> PS: I think we are 10 people.
>
>
> >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 15-12-2011 23:21 >>>
> I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all -
>
>
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>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>

From john at winhaven.net  Fri Dec 16 12:34:21 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:34:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <022d01ccbc21$54100360$fc300a20$@winhaven.net>

Facebook makes its money from advertising. That's why it's free. They will
collect as much information from you as they can and they will use it. If
you want to prevent that as much as possible you need to go in and
thoroughly go through the settings and change them.


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 12:39:57 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:39:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
In-Reply-To: <022d01ccbc21$54100360$fc300a20$@winhaven.net>
References: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<022d01ccbc21$54100360$fc300a20$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9aDXrXwOnueCtGs+ix3akUXeayuX7D3SuDPvjGv6NCoA@mail.gmail.com>

Amen, John!

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:34 AM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Facebook makes its money from advertising. That's why it's free. They will
> collect as much information from you as they can and they will use it. If
> you want to prevent that as much as possible you need to go in and
> thoroughly go through the settings and change them.
>
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>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>

From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Dec 16 15:33:54 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:33:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip address
update client on my desktop that's on all the time.

www.opendns.com


Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out
in a circle somehow.

I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
Facebook...

You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page
to do something bad to my computer.

I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.

It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
careful and I still got suckered. 
  Only my safeguards saved me.

--
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Colby Consulting

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec 16 16:35:31 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:35:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <4EEB6097.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>,
	<4EEB6097.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EEBC7B3.9577.A21BA4E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I rename whenever I use an mdb as data storage for a PB application.

-- 
Stuart


On 16 Dec 2011 at 10:15, jwcolby wrote:

> While I haven't done so I know that developers sometimes change the .MDB to .MyExt in order to 
> obfuscate the fact that it an mdb file and try and keep people from opening it directly in Access. 
> Access can in fact still open the file but you can no longer just double click it.
> 



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 22:06:42 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:06:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yVtD3T3+bXYkpscGdJHCZFwTpQLk0AhoUogVixkb1zujw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yVtD3T3+bXYkpscGdJHCZFwTpQLk0AhoUogVixkb1zujw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4DvDibxsO8i2euUY1QrR2Wb07HKS7dKL8uGJS7VTR_5g@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone aware of some Addin or developer tool which takes care of all
those referencing issues when renaming controls? It would sure be a plus to
have something like that.

Maybe no way to fool proof it.

I agree about starting from scratch.
On Dec 16, 2011 11:16 AM, "Kenneth Ismert" <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > William Benson:
> > Control name property is read only in runtime right? So for ac97 this a
> > manual find and rename operation?
> >
>
> You're correct, name is a design-time property.
>
> You can fairly easily write code to rename controls with the form in design
> view. For the purposes of Lifetime Control Limits, the names don't even
> have to be meaningful, just different from the defaults.
>
> But this code would have to:
>  * Rename control references and event handlers in the form's module
>  * Find and fix all control references in form and control property
> expressions, as well as in underlying queries.
>  * Find and fix control references in queries, forms, reports, macros and
> modules outside of the form in question.
>
> So, if you have to maintain a monster form that was created in A97, and are
> running into control limit issues, the task of fixing it could be huge.
>
> If that is the case, maybe its time to start from scratch with a simpler
> solution that spreads functionality among a number of smaller forms.
>
> -Ken
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 22:09:45 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:09:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V74efEPGdcidaxiJyVAtpW6wFgDpYJpgP7HRyY1d9Mqwg@mail.gmail.com>

Would I be mistaken in guessing that EatBloat is a recommended preventive
maintenance?

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 17 04:08:40 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:08:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>

One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are any dns queries coming from malware on your network.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond" <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote:

> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip address
> update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
> 
> www.opendns.com
> 
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out
> in a circle somehow.
> 
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
> 
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page
> to do something bad to my computer.
> 
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
> 
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
> careful and I still got suckered. 
>  Only my safeguards saved me.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
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> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 17 05:34:24 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:34:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
Message-ID: <seec8c65.067@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte and John

You missed that I wrote "whenever you open such site". That's all. No login is needed (or done).

This is a WinXP/IE8 combo issue. I don't see it with Vista/IE9.

/gustav


>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 16-12-2011 19:19 >>>
Facebook defaults to that kind of behavior but it can be turned off in FB.
I do NOT post my location, and that's part of what it's doing.

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Darryl
>
> Even if you don't, some sites you visit may link back to FB (Check for
> "like this" or similar).
>
> If so and if you use WinXP and IE8, you may experience that whenever you
> open such site, Windows resource usage at once raises from the few percent
> in idle mode to about 30% because of services.exe doing something unknown -
> probably some phone-home-to-FB thingy. It may be so aggressive that it eats
> every second or third keystroke you do while IE8 has focus.
>
> A method to kill this misbehaviour is to go to Options .. Security and add
> to the "dirty" (non-secure) list of sites:
>
>  *.facebook.com
>
>
>
> Bingo! Usage drops to a few percent.
>
> /gustav
>
> PS: I think we are 10 people.
>
>
> >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 15-12-2011 23:21 >>>
> I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all -




From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Dec 17 08:12:50 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:12:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>

I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?

I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what it
was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.

I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are
any dns queries coming from malware on your network.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond" <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote:

> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's 
> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install 
> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip 
> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
> 
> www.opendns.com
> 
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
> out in a circle somehow.
> 
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
> 
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
> page to do something bad to my computer.
> 
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
> 
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
> careful and I still got suckered.
>  Only my safeguards saved me.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> **********************************************************************
> WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, 
> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
> corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or 
> review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient.
> **********************************************************************
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 17 09:06:21 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:06:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>

OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server takes names such as 
Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those 
"natural language" IP addresses and filters them against known attributes and makes a decision 
whether to perform the translation into a numeric IP address.

So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to OpenDNS, where I have set up my 
filters based on what I want to allow through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to 
filter out specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.

http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/

My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to surf to that site.  My 
son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent this issue and within minutes has discovered 
what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different Domain name server.  15 minutes 
later he is reading penthouse.

Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....

You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server such as OpenDNS, which is a 
much more secure implementation method.  The problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a 
specific DNS then it goes around the router.

But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and determined teenagers, a 
service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it is and what it does.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
> with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
> this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what it
> was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.
>
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are
> any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
>
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond"<rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>  wrote:
>
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
>> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
>> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip
>> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>>
>> www.opendns.com
>>
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them
>> out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
>> Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>>
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>>
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>>   Only my safeguards saved me.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> **********************************************************************
>> WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received,
>> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
>> corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or
>> review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient.
>> **********************************************************************
>>
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>
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>


From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Dec 17 09:13:42 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:13:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>

I have no doubt that the son of John Colby is very sophisticated, computer
literate, and determined!

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server
takes names such as Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address
www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those "natural language" IP addresses
and filters them against known attributes and makes a decision whether to
perform the translation into a numeric IP address.

So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to
OpenDNS, where I have set up my filters based on what I want to allow
through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to filter out
specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.

http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/

My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to
surf to that site.  My son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent
this issue and within minutes has discovered what is going on and has
locally set his system to use a different Domain name server.  15 minutes
later he is reading penthouse.

Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....

You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server
such as OpenDNS, which is a much more secure implementation method.  The
problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a specific DNS then it
goes around the router.

But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and
determined teenagers, a service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it
is and what it does.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different 
> customers with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue 
> with any of this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of 
> what it was actually doing, or even a general description of how it
worked.
>
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if 
> there are any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
>
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond"<rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>
wrote:
>
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  
>> It's free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to 
>> install filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns 
>> ip address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>>
>> www.opendns.com
>>
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
>> out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
>> Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>>
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>>
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>>   Only my safeguards saved me.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> *********************************************************************
>> *
>> WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, 
>> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
>> corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or 
>> review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient.
>> *********************************************************************
>> *
>>
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 17 10:15:36 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:15:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EECC028.70600@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, he is getting that way.  ATM he is 10 years old, and that was just allegorical.

I am sure that you can have a lively discussion with Rocky about determined teenage boys though.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 10:13 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I have no doubt that the son of John Colby is very sophisticated, computer
> literate, and determined!
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server
> takes names such as Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address
> www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those "natural language" IP addresses
> and filters them against known attributes and makes a decision whether to
> perform the translation into a numeric IP address.
>
> So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to
> OpenDNS, where I have set up my filters based on what I want to allow
> through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to filter out
> specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.
>
> http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/
>
> My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to
> surf to that site.  My son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent
> this issue and within minutes has discovered what is going on and has
> locally set his system to use a different Domain name server.  15 minutes
> later he is reading penthouse.
>
> Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....
>
> You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server
> such as OpenDNS, which is a much more secure implementation method.  The
> problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a specific DNS then it
> goes around the router.
>
> But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and
> determined teenagers, a service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it
> is and what it does.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
>> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different
>> customers with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue
>> with any of this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>>
>> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of
>> what it was actually doing, or even a general description of how it
> worked.
>>
>> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>>
>> Dan


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 17 15:31:12 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:31:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>

OpenDNS basically just does the same thing your ISP does, in terms of telling your computer what public IP address (in other words, which public server(s)) are responsible for a given domain name. Your ISP normally provides this service and when you configure your router, it generally gives you those settings automatically, but there is no reason you can't use another provider (if you are a web developer/sys ops person such as myself, it is very useful to query different DNS servers around the world to see if there are problems with your configuration and how it is propagating around). It's just a matter of changing the IP address for DNS in your router or even just specific individual computers/networked devices.

What makes OpenDNS stand out is that they add additional features beyond just DNS resolution that you don't get from your ISP at all. Domain filtering, statistics, malware monitoring and phishing/malware filtering (on a DNS level) and so forth. The only thing they ask for in exchange is that you allow them to display their search page with their advertising instead of an error page when you type in a bad domain in your browser address bar.

Its a cheap way of providing basic filtering and protection for home, school or business, so, as long as you don't mind a third party company knowing what domains you visit, it's well worth it. They also spend a lot of effort speeding up DNS  lookups, so it will be a slight boost to your Internet usage. Also, for those who are security minded and know the technical merits of it, OpenDNS uses DNSCurve (an alternative to DNSSEC), to avoid DNS cache poisoning and so forth, something many ISPs have yet to adopt.

Like John said, however, it's trivial for anyone who knows basic networking, so it's not foolproof. But there you go. You get what you pay for (or not).

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 17 Dec 2011, at 06:12, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
> with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
> this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
> 
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what it
> was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.
> 
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are
> any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
> 
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> 
> 
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond" <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote:
> 
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's 
>> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install 
>> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip 
>> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>> 
>> www.opendns.com
>> 
>> 
>> Rusty
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>> 
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
>> out in a circle somehow.
>> 
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
>> Facebook...
>> 
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>> 
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>> 
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>> Only my safeguards saved me.
>> 
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> 
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Dec 17 15:53:15 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:53:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EECC028.70600@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net><4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com><002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>
	<4EECC028.70600@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <9CF110EE28CA43C38D0F30CE013A296B@HAL9007>

I used to have some illusions about control but they got the crap kicked out
of them.  21 is beyond my control.  15 is not interested in porn - more
interested in torrenting SkyRim and SolidWorks.  And making the robots dance
and sing.  So far so good. :)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

LOL, he is getting that way.  ATM he is 10 years old, and that was just
allegorical.

I am sure that you can have a lively discussion with Rocky about determined
teenage boys though.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 10:13 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I have no doubt that the son of John Colby is very sophisticated, 
> computer literate, and determined!
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name 
> Server takes names such as Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric 
> IP address www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those "natural 
> language" IP addresses and filters them against known attributes and 
> makes a decision whether to perform the translation into a numeric IP
address.
>
> So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to 
> OpenDNS, where I have set up my filters based on what I want to allow 
> through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to filter 
> out specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.
>
> http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/
>
> My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not 
> allowed to surf to that site.  My son then embarks on a concerted 
> attempt to circumvent this issue and within minutes has discovered 
> what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different 
> Domain name server.  15 minutes later he is reading penthouse.
>
> Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....
>
> You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name 
> server such as OpenDNS, which is a much more secure implementation 
> method.  The problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a 
> specific DNS then it goes around the router.
>
> But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate 
> and determined teenagers, a service like OpenDNS works rather well, 
> for what it is and what it does.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
>> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different 
>> customers with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue 
>> with any of this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>>
>> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of 
>> what it was actually doing, or even a general description of how it
> worked.
>>
>> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>>
>> Dan

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 17 16:00:58 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 08:00:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I frequently use MXToolbox.com to check how the world sees our DNS records (also to see if 
a client's IP addess is on any blacklists, to check whether their SMTP server is working and 
not an open relay , check that they have a valid PTR record etc).

To query different DNS servers, I use DIG - you can get a Windows CLI version here:
http://members.shaw.ca/nicholas.fong/dig/

-- 
Stuart

On 17 Dec 2011 at 13:31, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:

>  if you are a web developer/sys ops person such as myself, it is very
> useful to query different DNS servers around the world to see if there
> are problems with your configuration and how it is propagating around 



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 17 18:06:48 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:06:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <79A9C576-1649-453C-8908-AB5330DA27B8@phulse.com>

They made a Windows version? That's neat. Is that without using Cygwin?

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2011-12-17, at 2:00 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> I frequently use MXToolbox.com to check how the world sees our DNS records (also to see if 
> a client's IP addess is on any blacklists, to check whether their SMTP server is working and 
> not an open relay , check that they have a valid PTR record etc).
> 
> To query different DNS servers, I use DIG - you can get a Windows CLI version here:
> http://members.shaw.ca/nicholas.fong/dig/
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 17 Dec 2011 at 13:31, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> 
>> if you are a web developer/sys ops person such as myself, it is very
>> useful to query different DNS servers around the world to see if there
>> are problems with your configuration and how it is propagating around 
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 17 18:35:50 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:35:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <79A9C576-1649-453C-8908-AB5330DA27B8@phulse.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<79A9C576-1649-453C-8908-AB5330DA27B8@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <4EED3566.6653.FB61FB2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It uses Cygwin. The zip contains:

12/06/2008  09:35 AM         1,872,884 cygwin1.dll
14/12/2005  01:29 PM            73,728 dig.exe
14/12/2005  01:28 PM            61,440 host.exe
14/12/2005  01:26 PM            21,504 libbind9.dll
14/12/2005  01:23 PM         1,007,616 libdns.dll
16/10/2003  12:09 PM           737,280 libeay32.dll
14/12/2005  01:21 PM           217,088 libisc.dll
14/12/2005  01:25 PM            53,248 libisccfg.dll
14/12/2005  01:26 PM            35,328 liblwres.dll
24/01/2006  08:44 PM           344,064 msvcr70.dll
30/05/2009  07:39 AM                 0 resolv.conf
12/05/2008  03:12 PM            19,968 sha1sum.exe
18/11/2009  11:48 PM            80,092 whois.exe


On 17 Dec 2011 at 16:06, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:

> They made a Windows version? That's neat. Is that without using Cygwin?
> 
> - Hans
> 



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Dec 18 11:30:09 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:30:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <5DB682B02ABE4F40AA490E1CA5ED2AAA@XPS>

<<  My 
son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent this issue and within
minutes has discovered 
what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different Domain
name server.  15 minutes 
later he is reading penthouse.>>

  Tongue in cheek or not, wait till he finds out about proxy servers<g>.
Even DNS filtering doesn't help you then.

  Having raised three boys, I can tell you it was a real challenge at times
to stay ahead of them.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server
takes names such as 
Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address www.xxx.yyy.zzz.
OpenDNS simply takes those 
"natural language" IP addresses and filters them against known attributes
and makes a decision 
whether to perform the translation into a numeric IP address.

So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to
OpenDNS, where I have set up my 
filters based on what I want to allow through.  There are checkboxes on that
page which allows me to 
filter out specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult
content.

http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/

My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to
surf to that site.  My 
son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent this issue and within
minutes has discovered 
what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different Domain
name server.  15 minutes 
later he is reading penthouse.

Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....

You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server
such as OpenDNS, which is a 
much more secure implementation method.  The problem is that IIRC if you set
the NIC itself to use a 
specific DNS then it goes around the router.

But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and
determined teenagers, a 
service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it is and what it does.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
> with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
> this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what
it
> was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.
>
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there
are
> any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
>
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond"<rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>
wrote:
>
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
>> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
>> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip
>> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>>
>> www.opendns.com
>>
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them
>> out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
>> Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>>
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>>
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>>   Only my safeguards saved me.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
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>> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
>> corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Dec 20 12:57:57 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:57:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I have the following query
SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf, Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters] 
INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID) 
INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date] 
INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON 
GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON 
([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date) 
AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER)) 
ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER) 
INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915) 
AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;

The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373

The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061

I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as done by Access. 

Any thoughts appreciated.

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

?
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Dec 20 13:28:53 2011
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:28:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 help functionality problem
Message-ID: <001401ccbf4d$9bb725c0$d3257140$@cox.net>

Folks,

Here is another interesting behavior in Access 2010. It is probably specific
to my installation. Today when I was working on a project I hit the F1 key
in the VBA IDE to get the parameters for a command. Instead of the help
window opening I get a Download authorization dialog that asks if I want to
save Transition.htm from MS.MSACESS.DEV.14.1033. So I say yes and it saves
the file then I open it and it tries to open itself again. Is there some
file association setting that has gotten changed, registry setting that got
hosed, or ???? Help has worked. I shut down Access and restarted the
computer to make sure it wasn't just something that failed to load. Problem
still there.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. I don't use Access help that often but
I do like to use the help from the object browser and that is broken also.

Thanks in advance.

Doug


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Dec 20 15:59:21 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:59:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <4EF10539.1591.1E9A0E24@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You must have eleven records that match your SELECT... JOIN.... WHERE...HAVING   
criteria.

Sum() is adding the values in each of those eleven distinct records together.

-- 
Stuart
On 20 Dec 2011 at 12:57, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf, Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters] 
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID) 
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date] 
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON 
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON 
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date) 
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER)) 
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER) 
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915) 
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
> 
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
> 
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
> 
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as done by Access. 
> 
> Any thoughts appreciated.
> 
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
> 
> ?
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> 
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Dec 20 16:44:15 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:44:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
In-Reply-To: <4EF10539.1591.1E9A0E24@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<4EF10539.1591.1E9A0E24@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D35BE@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

Good observation. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 3:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem

You must have eleven records that match your SELECT... JOIN.... WHERE...HAVING   
criteria.

Sum() is adding the values in each of those eleven distinct records together.

-- 
Stuart
On 20 Dec 2011 at 12:57, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf, Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters] 
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID) 
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date] 
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON 
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON 
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date) 
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER)) 
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER) 
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915) 
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
> 
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
> 
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
> 
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as done by Access. 
> 
> Any thoughts appreciated.
> 
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
> 
> ?
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> 
> 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 17:13:43 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:13:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <00a101ccbf6d$04a75f40$0df61dc0$@net>

Dunno...the Where clause was not being utilized properly for one thing.
This will run much more efficiently....
I couldn't really pin-point the problem though.

SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
       scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
       [Volume] * 1000      AS Mcf,
       Sum([Volume]) * 1000 AS McfTest
FROM   (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
         INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master
           ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID =
scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
        INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
                    INNER JOIN (GA_Header
                                INNER JOIN GA_Details
                                  ON GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER)
                      ON ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date =
GA_Header.Sample_Date )
                         AND ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER =
GA_Header.METER ))
          ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
       INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes
       ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
WHERE  (GA_Details.UNIT = "PCT" ) AND ([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID )
= 362915) AND
       ( scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate  = #12 / 1 / 2011 # )

GROUP  BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
          scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
          [Volume] * 1000
ORDER  BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
>
> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf,
> Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID
> = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date)
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER))
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname
> = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915)
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
>
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
>
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
>
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as
> done by Access.
>
> Any thoughts appreciated.
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 17:22:11 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:22:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
Message-ID: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>

The first one was that client who balked at my $80k estimate for the
shipping CRM system rewrite.originally done in VB, Access97.

Well, I checked back with the guy at the client company with whom I
collaborated with to create the add-on needed to support a new service.

It appears the Dot-net development has stopped, the system never got
released, and this is likely going to litigation.

The client has paid about $180,000 to date and has refused to pay any more
invoices from the consulting firm.

It has been 2 years in development.

Interestingly, part of the problem appears to be the fact that "this guy"
was not at all involved in the rewrite specifications.

Some other managers took over that task and it appears they were
flip-flopping on the specs and functionality.

So this is now a case of BOTH SIDE BEING RESPONSIBLE for the overrun.

However, NEITHER ONE sees it that way.

Does this sound familiar to anyone ?

 

See next post for the next "doozy" I've run into..


From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 18:12:45 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:12:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>

Got a short term (aka "stinker") contract for some Excel development work.
2 "layers" (i.e. commissions) of consulting firms involved....the first one
pretty "smarmy"...they initially lied about the legal engagement aspects to
rope me in.
This is so typical of these agency firms. I haven't met one over the past 5
years with any kind of respect for business ethics...not one.
The second is a huge global IT Consulting firm with ties to military
contracts. However, this contract is a follow-up to an original contract
from 3 years ago with a non-military client of theirs.
They had one of their contract employees build some VBA to create a
sophisticated Linear Programming model in Excel.
They were unable to get the original developers to commit to the enhancement
work, so they came to me. Those guys effectively "ducked out". I always
wondered why ?

I spent a few weeks getting to understand the system and it's flows....as
well as the nature of the processing.
There was no technical documentation.
I started into the 4500 lines of VBA code last week. Pure crap. No comments
or few comments or misleading comments in the code. Poor writing style, no
variables were named properly. There was no error trapping. Option Explicit
missing from many modules and forms.
Even worse: the original developer would take some crappy code from one
place, clone it in another, and make slight changes. Finally, the GUI design
of the forms and in-sheet controls was horrendous. For instance, instead of
coding a Title to a OpenFile (GetOpenFilename) Dialog, they would first
pop-up a Message Box with the title trying to indicate the nature of the
file that needed to be selected, and then call the function without a title.
This is just one example of the shoddy work done on this.
Now they want the system revamped, and "enhanced" with new features. Keep in
mind, this is a CRITICAL operations system for their client.
After a few days of working with it, because I didn't have intimate
knowledge of it, it kept blowing up on me.
In some cases it was mistakenly opening up the wrong workbook. Instead of
detecting that condition, it would go on it's
merry way....till it blew-up processing the wrong data.

So I write-up all of my findings in excruciating detail. What do I get in
response ?
Here it goes: "Well then Mark, we'll ALL have to put in some 'extra' time on
this if you've got to spend so much time cleaning up this code. We have a
fixed budget for this work."
By 'extra time', they of course meant "free" time.
What a load of B.S. So I asked the project manager about the "code reviews"
on the initial project and he didn't say a word. Also, I told him a few
weeks ago to get a second opinion. Once again, no response.

So I haven't said much lately since that missive of mine went out. But I
definitely am not going to work for free...no matter what. Because of their
poor oversight and use of a programmer who didn't know VBA, didn't know the
Excel Object Model, and couldn't design a GUI to save his soul, they've got
to take the "fall" on this. It's only right. If I have to, I'll get a lawyer
and make them look really stupid.

Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become
repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost without
words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. I
do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was
instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced wages.
So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting world.
What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.




From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Dec 20 18:20:59 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:20:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
In-Reply-To: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
Message-ID: <002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>

Yes!  Did I say Yes!

Customers tend to buy on who 'sounds' like experts, even though the customer
has no way to know who is really qualified.

I have a specific process I go through to avoid this.  It has two major
steps - Requirements and Development.

In the Requirements stage, the deliverable is a set of requirements that
could be used by anyone.  I will estimate the amount of time (money) this
will take, but I won't get pinned down.  I end up with a set of screenshots
that were developed by me and a user group over time.  During this phase, I
simply bill by the hour.  During this time, I am working as a consultant
just to create requirements.

>From the requirements, I quote a fixed amount to do the Development phase.
The customer is free to take the requirements and have them quoted by
someone else.  If they want to find a cheaper company, so be it - but it
hasn't happened yet.  At some point during Requirements, I'll start giving a
range of what the Development might cost, and I've learned to err on the
high side.

Another good practice is to do bite-sized pieces.  Whatever get chewed off
in the beginning will determine what they want to eat later on!

Maybe you could now 'ride in on the white horse?'

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another

The first one was that client who balked at my $80k estimate for the
shipping CRM system rewrite.originally done in VB, Access97.

Well, I checked back with the guy at the client company with whom I
collaborated with to create the add-on needed to support a new service.

It appears the Dot-net development has stopped, the system never got
released, and this is likely going to litigation.

The client has paid about $180,000 to date and has refused to pay any more
invoices from the consulting firm.

It has been 2 years in development.

Interestingly, part of the problem appears to be the fact that "this guy"
was not at all involved in the rewrite specifications.

Some other managers took over that task and it appears they were
flip-flopping on the specs and functionality.

So this is now a case of BOTH SIDE BEING RESPONSIBLE for the overrun.

However, NEITHER ONE sees it that way.

Does this sound familiar to anyone ?

 

See next post for the next "doozy" I've run into..

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 18:46:42 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:46:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
In-Reply-To: <002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>

Well Dan, for something as complex and integrated as a CRM, it's tough.
That's why there are so many CRM "Frameworks" out there.
In this particular case however, their requirements were unique....to the
shipping business.
NO OTS solutions were out there.

Doing this in house meant the risk of a complex requirements development and
data analysis...
a monumental task especially if you were not in the shipping business.
First you have to learn the shipping business, then marine law and marine
regulations and reporting requirements.
Holy, Moly...that was a HUGE MOUNTAIN to climb.
That's years of specific knowledge acquisition....and they hired a
consulting firm with ostensibly...
NO SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

Risky business indeed....and thus the upcoming litigation.



From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Tue Dec 20 18:55:19 2011
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:55:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
Message-ID: <06470800591B41B3B7468FEFA76D4E04@abpc>

I've met this frustrating and stupid contracting world too. I now renounce, but keep asking myself what's the benefits for companies receiving stupid contracting code? Sooner or later they have to advance to "15 years ago"...
Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 21. december 2011 01:13
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] And now the other...

Got a short term (aka "stinker") contract for some Excel development work.
2 "layers" (i.e. commissions) of consulting firms involved....the first one
pretty "smarmy"...they initially lied about the legal engagement aspects to
rope me in.
This is so typical of these agency firms. I haven't met one over the past 5
years with any kind of respect for business ethics...not one.
The second is a huge global IT Consulting firm with ties to military
contracts. However, this contract is a follow-up to an original contract
from 3 years ago with a non-military client of theirs.
They had one of their contract employees build some VBA to create a
sophisticated Linear Programming model in Excel.
They were unable to get the original developers to commit to the enhancement
work, so they came to me. Those guys effectively "ducked out". I always
wondered why ?

I spent a few weeks getting to understand the system and it's flows....as
well as the nature of the processing.
There was no technical documentation.
I started into the 4500 lines of VBA code last week. Pure crap. No comments
or few comments or misleading comments in the code. Poor writing style, no
variables were named properly. There was no error trapping. Option Explicit
missing from many modules and forms.
Even worse: the original developer would take some crappy code from one
place, clone it in another, and make slight changes. Finally, the GUI design
of the forms and in-sheet controls was horrendous. For instance, instead of
coding a Title to a OpenFile (GetOpenFilename) Dialog, they would first
pop-up a Message Box with the title trying to indicate the nature of the
file that needed to be selected, and then call the function without a title.
This is just one example of the shoddy work done on this.
Now they want the system revamped, and "enhanced" with new features. Keep in
mind, this is a CRITICAL operations system for their client.
After a few days of working with it, because I didn't have intimate
knowledge of it, it kept blowing up on me.
In some cases it was mistakenly opening up the wrong workbook. Instead of
detecting that condition, it would go on it's
merry way....till it blew-up processing the wrong data.

So I write-up all of my findings in excruciating detail. What do I get in
response ?
Here it goes: "Well then Mark, we'll ALL have to put in some 'extra' time on
this if you've got to spend so much time cleaning up this code. We have a
fixed budget for this work."
By 'extra time', they of course meant "free" time.
What a load of B.S. So I asked the project manager about the "code reviews"
on the initial project and he didn't say a word. Also, I told him a few
weeks ago to get a second opinion. Once again, no response.

So I haven't said much lately since that missive of mine went out. But I
definitely am not going to work for free...no matter what. Because of their
poor oversight and use of a programmer who didn't know VBA, didn't know the
Excel Object Model, and couldn't design a GUI to save his soul, they've got
to take the "fall" on this. It's only right. If I have to, I'll get a lawyer
and make them look really stupid.

Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become
repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost without
words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. I
do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was
instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced wages.
So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting world.
What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.



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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 20 19:05:19 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:05:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <06470800591B41B3B7468FEFA76D4E04@abpc>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
	<06470800591B41B3B7468FEFA76D4E04@abpc>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560616A@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>


This sort of thing is exactly what is hurting a local accounting software company very badly.  Their 'upgrade' to a new system has been botched pretty badly.

Many complaints and screams from the 1% of customers who are using the new software to date.  It is awful that even MYOB's own business partners are recommending that users stay on their legacy software or more to other competing platforms.  MYOB haven't handled this very well to date.

<<http://www.crn.com.au/News/284460,myob-a-lesson-in-how-to-bungle-a-beta.aspx>>

Is a good summary.  The forums are interesting reading if you have the time and interest in these sort of things.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond
Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011 11:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] And now the other...

I've met this frustrating and stupid contracting world too. I now renounce, but keep asking myself what's the benefits for companies receiving stupid contracting code? Sooner or later they have to advance to "15 years ago"...
Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 21. december 2011 01:13
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] And now the other...

Got a short term (aka "stinker") contract for some Excel development work.
2 "layers" (i.e. commissions) of consulting firms involved....the first one pretty "smarmy"...they initially lied about the legal engagement aspects to rope me in.
This is so typical of these agency firms. I haven't met one over the past 5 years with any kind of respect for business ethics...not one.
The second is a huge global IT Consulting firm with ties to military contracts. However, this contract is a follow-up to an original contract from 3 years ago with a non-military client of theirs.
They had one of their contract employees build some VBA to create a sophisticated Linear Programming model in Excel.
They were unable to get the original developers to commit to the enhancement work, so they came to me. Those guys effectively "ducked out". I always wondered why ?

I spent a few weeks getting to understand the system and it's flows....as well as the nature of the processing.
There was no technical documentation.
I started into the 4500 lines of VBA code last week. Pure crap. No comments or few comments or misleading comments in the code. Poor writing style, no variables were named properly. There was no error trapping. Option Explicit missing from many modules and forms.
Even worse: the original developer would take some crappy code from one place, clone it in another, and make slight changes. Finally, the GUI design of the forms and in-sheet controls was horrendous. For instance, instead of coding a Title to a OpenFile (GetOpenFilename) Dialog, they would first pop-up a Message Box with the title trying to indicate the nature of the file that needed to be selected, and then call the function without a title.
This is just one example of the shoddy work done on this.
Now they want the system revamped, and "enhanced" with new features. Keep in mind, this is a CRITICAL operations system for their client.
After a few days of working with it, because I didn't have intimate knowledge of it, it kept blowing up on me.
In some cases it was mistakenly opening up the wrong workbook. Instead of detecting that condition, it would go on it's merry way....till it blew-up processing the wrong data.

So I write-up all of my findings in excruciating detail. What do I get in response ?
Here it goes: "Well then Mark, we'll ALL have to put in some 'extra' time on this if you've got to spend so much time cleaning up this code. We have a fixed budget for this work."
By 'extra time', they of course meant "free" time.
What a load of B.S. So I asked the project manager about the "code reviews"
on the initial project and he didn't say a word. Also, I told him a few weeks ago to get a second opinion. Once again, no response.

So I haven't said much lately since that missive of mine went out. But I definitely am not going to work for free...no matter what. Because of their poor oversight and use of a programmer who didn't know VBA, didn't know the Excel Object Model, and couldn't design a GUI to save his soul, they've got to take the "fall" on this. It's only right. If I have to, I'll get a lawyer and make them look really stupid.

Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost without words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. I do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced wages.
So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting world.
What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.



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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 19:09:43 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:09:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
Message-ID: <0707F689F69B490FA7954485A33D30B1@SusanHarkins>

I recently was asked to consult, albeit just a quick opinion, on a similar 
project. In truth, things didn't look particularly bad, but I didn't spend 
much time reviewing the code, etc. A developer, via a small consulting firm, 
WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY underbid and then stopped working when he tired of 
the project. The developer claimed the client was guilty of scope creep --  
the guy didn't know whether he was or not. There was no formal spec sheet, 
if the guy was honest with me about it.

The budget for the project's been spent and it isn't done. The poor guy is 
stuck -- boss is mad.

At some point in the conversation, sitting in his office, it became apparent 
to me that he thought I was going to finish it for free. Um... no, and why 
would I? I just said, "I don't care whether you pay me or whether the 
consulting firm you originally hired pays me." FWIW, I don't work for that 
firm, I was just doing someone a quick favor.

I'm sitting across from the client and he says, "Developers aren't looking 
too good to me right now." So not my problem.

I finally told him he needed to take it up with the consulting firm and ask 
for a refund or for someone to complete the project. I doubt he got either.

Susan H.


>
> Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become
> repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost 
> without
> words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. 
> I
> do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
> But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was
> instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced 
> wages.
> So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting 
> world.
> What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.


From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Dec 20 20:06:55 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:06:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
In-Reply-To: <00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
Message-ID: <002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>

Sounds like this marine shipping company jumped into a leaky boat and headed
of in the wrong direction!  ;-)

They should have known better than that.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another

Well Dan, for something as complex and integrated as a CRM, it's tough.
That's why there are so many CRM "Frameworks" out there.
In this particular case however, their requirements were unique....to the
shipping business.
NO OTS solutions were out there.

Doing this in house meant the risk of a complex requirements development and
data analysis...
a monumental task especially if you were not in the shipping business.
First you have to learn the shipping business, then marine law and marine
regulations and reporting requirements.
Holy, Moly...that was a HUGE MOUNTAIN to climb.
That's years of specific knowledge acquisition....and they hired a
consulting firm with ostensibly...
NO SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

Risky business indeed....and thus the upcoming litigation.


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 21:08:01 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:08:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...WOW SUSAN
In-Reply-To: <0707F689F69B490FA7954485A33D30B1@SusanHarkins>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
	<0707F689F69B490FA7954485A33D30B1@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <000101ccbf8d$c0382260$40a86720$@net>

Wow Susan, WHAT A STORY ! The "attitudes" were just so....TELLING.




From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 21:25:40 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:25:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>

Re: "wrong direction"

Your are right, but IT GETS EVEN BETTER :
After I installed the really complex and fully integrated with their CRM
database Access add-on that provided them with another $300k in services fee
income, they later wanted to offer me "Fulltime employment".
This was AFTER I made the $80k Access proposal which they rejected.
(Remember, they are currently sitting at $180k in dev expenses and NO SYSTEM
has been delivered)

Well, the BIG PROBLEM was I was still bound to an AGENCY non-compete
agreement.
The agency decided that they were a "big part" of this (they did NOTHING)
and should get a whopping $30k one-time fee for that employment contract.
That put me way under $100k as a salary for which I felt
entitled...especially given the 60 mile roundtrip commute I was facing daily
if I were to commit to them.

So I rejected the offer; and then they immediately contracted with that
consulting company....

And ..."The Rest Is History" as they say.

Incredible story, no ?

Susan, something to publish perhaps ?



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 03:40:25 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 04:40:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gwwH0xPh16s84MaiBn97B3bFt5qz3yQYOKEYx-J2s7ug@mail.gmail.com>

I feel your pain, but at the same time I predicted this outcome over 10
years ago. We developers have become the MayTag repair-persons of this
century. We wait for something to fix, and in the meantime do next to
nothing

Arthur

From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec 21 04:43:01 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:43:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Book
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560637C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Arthur,

Got my copy of the book today that you recommended.  Just want to say thanks. It is great and will be a wonderful resource for both myself and my boys as they grow up. Most excellent indeed.

Alos a good time to say a big thank you and merrry xmas to everyone on this list. Once again, you have been an invaluable source of help and support over the past year.  I have learnt more from you guys and girls than any course could offer.  You are an amazing and always educational resource.  So Cheers!

:)
Darryl.





From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 05:49:46 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:49:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Book
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560637C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560637C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iwMx72pSp20A0w7A2J6ExZ3cOemQf-jBa8PXjyawb23A@mail.gmail.com>

I'm glad to hear that you like the book.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> Got my copy of the book today that you recommended.  Just want to say
> thanks. It is great and will be a wonderful resource for both myself and my
> boys as they grow up. Most excellent indeed.
>
> --
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 07:54:04 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:54:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
Message-ID: <6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>

>
> Well, the BIG PROBLEM was I was still bound to an AGENCY non-compete
> agreement.
> The agency decided that they were a "big part" of this (they did NOTHING)
> and should get a whopping $30k one-time fee for that employment contract.
> That put me way under $100k as a salary for which I felt
> entitled...especially given the 60 mile roundtrip commute I was facing 
> daily
> if I were to commit to them.

========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that 
restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how long were 
you there?


> So I rejected the offer; and then they immediately contracted with that
> consulting company....
>
> And ..."The Rest Is History" as they say.
>
> Incredible story, no ?
>
> Susan, something to publish perhaps ?

========10 developers tell their favorite Scrooge stories :)

Susan H. 


From guss at beechnutconsulting.com  Wed Dec 21 11:29:10 2011
From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:29:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
Message-ID: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>

I have created a folder where I scan documents into searchable pdf files.  I
have windows (7 Ultimate) indexing setup to index on the contents, and now I
want to write a query that uses the Windows Index file as the recordsource.
I am hoping to set up this as perhaps a linked table, and build a query that
looks something like:

 

Select filename, path FROM WindowsIndexFile where IndexedContent =
mysearchstring1 OR IndexedContent = mysearchstring2; where I am totally
guessing what the fields are.

 

My computer tells me that the index is stored on C:\Program Data\Windows,
but there are a lot of folders under that, and I have no clue about where to
look or what the file is or how to access it.

 

Any suggestions appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Sincerely yours,

 

Guss Ginsburg

Beechnut Consulting Services

 


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 12:12:00 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:12:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP stored procedure
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>

A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran from
SSMS.


If either of these are ran from SSMS:

EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''


EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL

The data is returned as expected.


If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate window, we
get different results.

The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is being
calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.

Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned rows)
will be different.

I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a resultset to
Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.

Does anyone have any ideas?

TIA,
David

From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 12:35:43 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:35:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>

You're very sharp Susan....as you picked-out a very powerful weapon used by
the agencies.
It was a onerous 1 year agreement. The count-down BEGINS the day after no
longer do any work for that client.
Since the client used this agency for other personnel fill-ins as well, they
did not want to chance a lawsuit over breaking this agreement.
The agencies get away with this because the downside EFFECTS of such an
agreement are never made known. It's the agency's "big secret". That's why
this is such a great story of CAUSE and EFFECT. Here is a clear cut case of
the clause causing harm to the client. You never hear or read about the
stories related to this, do you ? I can see it now....
"Greedy Agency Harms Own Client Over Onerous Non-compete Agreement"



> ========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that
> restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how long
> were you there?
>
>
> Susan H.



From df.waters at comcast.net  Wed Dec 21 12:43:48 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:43:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
Message-ID: <01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>

What I'm familiar with is an agreement where the client can't hire a temp
until at least x days have passed (typically 90).  If they hire a temp after
that and before the contract expires, the agency then gets a prorated
'kickback' to cover their lost income.  

But I've never heard of a restriction After the original working time
expires.  This sounds onerous enough to wonder if it's legal.  Or perhaps
legal in one state but not in another.  Sounds like a 'job-killer'.
Seriously, call your congressman to get this fixed.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"

You're very sharp Susan....as you picked-out a very powerful weapon used by
the agencies.
It was a onerous 1 year agreement. The count-down BEGINS the day after no
longer do any work for that client.
Since the client used this agency for other personnel fill-ins as well, they
did not want to chance a lawsuit over breaking this agreement.
The agencies get away with this because the downside EFFECTS of such an
agreement are never made known. It's the agency's "big secret". That's why
this is such a great story of CAUSE and EFFECT. Here is a clear cut case of
the clause causing harm to the client. You never hear or read about the
stories related to this, do you ? I can see it now....
"Greedy Agency Harms Own Client Over Onerous Non-compete Agreement"



> ========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that 
> restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how 
> long were you there?
>
>
> Susan H.


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 12:46:23 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:46:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
In-Reply-To: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>
References: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <011a01ccc010$d6afb1b0$840f1510$@net>

I don't think it's possible Gus. I don't even think MSFT added an API to
read the index.
Indeed, they made changes to this in Windows 7.
I only saw this in Technet:
The index files have the following protection by default:
    Access Control Lists (ACLs) that only allow the BUILTIN\Administrators
and NT Authority\System users access to the index.
    Index files are lightly obfuscated.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:29 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
>
> I have created a folder where I scan documents into searchable pdf
> files.  I
> have windows (7 Ultimate) indexing setup to index on the contents, and
> now I
> want to write a query that uses the Windows Index file as the
> recordsource.
> I am hoping to set up this as perhaps a linked table, and build a query
> that
> looks something like:
>
>
>
> Select filename, path FROM WindowsIndexFile where IndexedContent =
> mysearchstring1 OR IndexedContent = mysearchstring2; where I am totally
> guessing what the fields are.
>
>
>
> My computer tells me that the index is stored on C:\Program
> Data\Windows,
> but there are a lot of folders under that, and I have no clue about
> where to
> look or what the file is or how to access it.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
>
>
> Guss Ginsburg
>
> Beechnut Consulting Services
>
>
>
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Wed Dec 21 13:01:52 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:01:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
In-Reply-To: <011a01ccc010$d6afb1b0$840f1510$@net>
References: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>
	<011a01ccc010$d6afb1b0$840f1510$@net>
Message-ID: <01b301ccc013$0035cfe0$00a16fa0$@comcast.net>

Hi Guss,

You can do a lot with FileSystemObject (Microsoft Scripting Runtime).

This is an example of changing the read only property of files in a folder:

'-------------------

    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim fol As Folder
    Dim fil As File
    Dim filList As Object
    Dim fProperty As Object
    
    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set fol = fso.GetFolder(stgFolderPath)
    Set filList = f.Files
    For Each fil In fc
        '-- Set file as read-only
        stgFilePath = stgFolderPath & "\" & f1.Name
        Set fProperties = fso.GetFile(stgFilePath)
        If blnReadOnly = True Then
            fProperties.Attributes = 1
        Else
            fProperties.Attributes = 0
        End If
    Next

'------------------

There is much more you can do with the methods and properties from
FileSystemObject.

HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index

I don't think it's possible Gus. I don't even think MSFT added an API to
read the index.
Indeed, they made changes to this in Windows 7.
I only saw this in Technet:
The index files have the following protection by default:
    Access Control Lists (ACLs) that only allow the BUILTIN\Administrators
and NT Authority\System users access to the index.
    Index files are lightly obfuscated.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:29 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
>
> I have created a folder where I scan documents into searchable pdf 
> files.  I have windows (7 Ultimate) indexing setup to index on the 
> contents, and now I want to write a query that uses the Windows Index 
> file as the recordsource.
> I am hoping to set up this as perhaps a linked table, and build a 
> query that looks something like:
>
>
>
> Select filename, path FROM WindowsIndexFile where IndexedContent =
> mysearchstring1 OR IndexedContent = mysearchstring2; where I am totally
> guessing what the fields are.
>
>
>
> My computer tells me that the index is stored on C:\Program
> Data\Windows,
> but there are a lot of folders under that, and I have no clue about
> where to
> look or what the file is or how to access it.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
>
>
> Guss Ginsburg
>
> Beechnut Consulting Services
>
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 13:23:57 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:23:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16EA26479A244A2AA692EEC353B4D3D6@SusanHarkins>

Did you know about this clause when you signed up?

Susan H.
> It was a onerous 1 year agreement. The count-down BEGINS the day after no
> longer do any work for that client.
> Since the client used this agency for other personnel fill-ins as well, 
> they
> did not want to chance a lawsuit over breaking this agreement.
> The agencies get away with this because the downside EFFECTS of such an
> agreement are never made known. It's the agency's "big secret". That's why
> this is such a great story of CAUSE and EFFECT. Here is a clear cut case 
> of
> the clause causing harm to the client. You never hear or read about the
> stories related to this, do you ? I can see it now....
> "Greedy Agency Harms Own Client Over Onerous Non-compete Agreement"
>
>
>
>> ========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that
>> restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how
>> long were you there?
>>
>>
>> Susan H.
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 13:37:58 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:37:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <16EA26479A244A2AA692EEC353B4D3D6@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<16EA26479A244A2AA692EEC353B4D3D6@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <013c01ccc018$0b995cd0$22cc1670$@net>

You bet. No leverage to negotiate...natch.
I later discovered thru an online forum that Robert Half is one of the most
hated and complained about agencies in the country.

>
> Did you know about this clause when you signed up?
>
> Susan H.



From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 13:43:41 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:43:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>

Exactly Dan. Had it gone to a lawsuit, it would have been your typical
"pissing match" by lawyers.
No one would win....but they would be enriched in the process.
I have heard of these non-compete cases going on for literally decades...I'm
not kidding.
I had a friend who did exactly that when she set-up her own Orthodontal
office near her old boss.
Finally settled after 20 years.

Today everyone is blaming America's woes on capitalism. That's entirely
BOGUS.
Capitalism is about FREE MARKETS. However, today's laws and lawyers prevent
capitalism to work as it was originally intended to work. We are in a
quasi-socialistic environment where the "big boys" and businessmen with
political influence rule our world.


> But I've never heard of a restriction After the original working time
> expires.  This sounds onerous enough to wonder if it's legal.  Or
> perhaps legal in one state but not in another.  Sounds like a
'job-killer'.
> Seriously, call your congressman to get this fixed.
>
> Dan



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 13:55:44 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:55:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
Message-ID: <C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>

My dad sold a small business in the early 80's. The buyer tried to force a 
non-compete clause that was absolutely ridiculous. My dad would've had to 
move to work! His lawyer told the buyer no way... they haggled for a long 
time, but eventually left it out. I guess you can't blame people for trying, 
we just have to know when to say no.

Susan H.



> Exactly Dan. Had it gone to a lawsuit, it would have been your typical
> "pissing match" by lawyers.
> No one would win....but they would be enriched in the process.
> I have heard of these non-compete cases going on for literally 
> decades...I'm
> not kidding.
> I had a friend who did exactly that when she set-up her own Orthodontal
> office near her old boss.
> Finally settled after 20 years.


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 14:37:45 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:37:45 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [ACCESS-L] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP
	stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
References: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>

I created a new mdb and it returns correctly, as expected via a pass
through query.

I'm going to try a box with an Access version <2007 to test the ADP.



On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Duane Hookom <duanehookom at hotmail.com>wrote:

> How does it look if you try this in a Pass-Through query?
>
> Duane Hookom
> MS Access MVP
>
>
> > From: davidmcafee at GMAIL.COM
> >
> > A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran
> from
> > SSMS.
> >
> >
> > If either of these are ran from SSMS:
> >
> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''
> >
> >
> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL
> >
> > The data is returned as expected.
> >
> >
> > If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate window,
> we
> > get different results.
> >
> > The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is being
> > calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.
> >
> > Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned
> rows)
> > will be different.
> >
> > I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a resultset
> to
> > Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.
> >
> > Does anyone have any ideas?
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 14:58:27 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:58:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [ACCESS-L] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP
	stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
	<CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWa1u7eR18nSk0avM52ncwjLPH3cdy_inQy60pKpJQYtQg@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I tested the ADP on a box with Access 2002.
It returned the same, incorrect row count and values.

I tried running the stored procedure from a different ADP and it also
returns incorrect records.

So far the only way to get the correct results besides running it directly
in SSMS is to run it from an mdb using a pass through query.

What occurs differently between running a pass through vs running the sproc
directly from the Access database window?

David

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:

> I created a new mdb and it returns correctly, as expected via a pass
> through query.
>
> I'm going to try a box with an Access version <2007 to test the ADP.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Duane Hookom <duanehookom at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> How does it look if you try this in a Pass-Through query?
>>
>> Duane Hookom
>> MS Access MVP
>>
>>
>> > From: davidmcafee at GMAIL.COM
>> >
>> > A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran
>> from
>> > SSMS.
>> >
>> >
>> > If either of these are ran from SSMS:
>> >
>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''
>> >
>> >
>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL
>> >
>> > The data is returned as expected.
>> >
>> >
>> > If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate
>> window, we
>> > get different results.
>> >
>> > The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is
>> being
>> > calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.
>> >
>> > Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned
>> rows)
>> > will be different.
>> >
>> > I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a
>> resultset to
>> > Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have any ideas?
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> international's LISTSERV(R) software.  For subscription/signoff info
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 15:06:15 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:06:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>

True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
15 years ago ? No problem.

> we just have to know when to say no.
>
> Susan H.



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 15:44:35 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:44:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [ACCESS-L] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP
	stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWa1u7eR18nSk0avM52ncwjLPH3cdy_inQy60pKpJQYtQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
	<CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWa1u7eR18nSk0avM52ncwjLPH3cdy_inQy60pKpJQYtQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWaYC8=N2czUbMqRwhLap7KndqGOgLicJRYBqTGyu=R2wg@mail.gmail.com>

OK, we ran a Trace on the different ways we are running the sproc.

When it is called from the ADP, the sproc is called via an RPC, not
directly as a passthrough query (as I've assumed it was called).

>From the ADP, if I run this:

Private Sub Command8_Click()
Dim rs As Recordset
Set rs = CurrentProject.Connection.Execute("EXEC RRMS.dbo.stpR6Payouts
'1/1/2011','11/30/2011',null")
Debug.Print rs.RecordCount

I get the correct count!

If I put an break point on the last line above and run this from the
immediate window:
rs.MoveFirst
? rs![CustName]
STAR FORD
? rs![IndividualPayCalc]
 5368

I get the correct amount (that 5368 is never correct when running the sproc
from the immediate window in the ADP).

So this tells me the rendering in the ADP is having issues, correct?

This is scary. How many other things have I trusted to be correct and
weren't?

:/

Any ideas?

David


On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:58 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:

> OK, I tested the ADP on a box with Access 2002.
> It returned the same, incorrect row count and values.
>
> I tried running the stored procedure from a different ADP and it also
> returns incorrect records.
>
> So far the only way to get the correct results besides running it directly
> in SSMS is to run it from an mdb using a pass through query.
>
> What occurs differently between running a pass through vs running the
> sproc directly from the Access database window?
>
> David
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I created a new mdb and it returns correctly, as expected via a pass
>> through query.
>>
>> I'm going to try a box with an Access version <2007 to test the ADP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Duane Hookom <duanehookom at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> How does it look if you try this in a Pass-Through query?
>>>
>>> Duane Hookom
>>> MS Access MVP
>>>
>>>
>>> > From: davidmcafee at GMAIL.COM
>>> >
>>> > A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran
>>> from
>>> > SSMS.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > If either of these are ran from SSMS:
>>> >
>>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL
>>> >
>>> > The data is returned as expected.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate
>>> window, we
>>> > get different results.
>>> >
>>> > The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is
>>> being
>>> > calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.
>>> >
>>> > Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned
>>> rows)
>>> > will be different.
>>> >
>>> > I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a
>>> resultset to
>>> > Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.
>>> >
>>> > Does anyone have any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> The ACCESS-L list is hosted on a Windows(R) 2003 Server running L-Soft
>>> international's LISTSERV(R) software.  For subscription/signoff info
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>>>
>>
>>
>

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 18:09:51 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:09:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net><013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net><C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
Message-ID: <68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>

Yeah, I understand. I've never turned down work. 

Susan H. 


> True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
> 15 years ago ? No problem.
> 
>> we just have to know when to say no.
>>
>> Susan H.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 18:26:12 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:26:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
	<68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't mean to start a war here, Susan, but I venture to suggest that you
ought to learn how to fire clients. Clues include:

a) they don't pay within 30 days;
b) they don't respond to emails within 24 hours.

If either or both of these occur, move on, my lovely lady; call it a lesson
learned and move on! But before doing so, document this somewhere findable
(FaceBook etc.) to warn us all of dealing with this scumfork client. We
have your six, Susan!

Love and kisses and Merry Christmas, and know that I meant what I said in
the second-previous sentence. You need reinforcements, you got 'em. My arms
and reach are long, and extend way past this group. Snap your fingers, and
something might happen.

A.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I understand. I've never turned down work.
> Susan H.
>
>  True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
>> 15 years ago ? No problem.
>>
>>  we just have to know when to say no.
>>>
>>> Susan H.
>>>
>>
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>



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that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 18:47:24 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:47:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net><013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net><C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins><002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net><68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BFDE783DEED04D58B32314ABF531831D@SusanHarkins>

I would if I needed to -- don't need to. I haven't had a bad client in a 
long, long time, thank you Jesus. :) What I meant was, if the clients I have 
need something, I find a way to get it to them. That's because they pay 
within 30 days and always respond quickly. ;)

Susan H.


>I don't mean to start a war here, Susan, but I venture to suggest that you
> ought to learn how to fire clients. Clues include:
>
> a) they don't pay within 30 days;
> b) they don't respond to emails within 24 hours.
>
> If either or both of these occur, move on, my lovely lady; call it a 
> lesson
> learned and move on! But before doing so, document this somewhere findable
> (FaceBook etc.) to warn us all of dealing with this scumfork client. We
> have your six, Susan!
>
> Love and kisses and Merry Christmas, and know that I meant what I said in
> the second-previous sentence. You need reinforcements, you got 'em. My 
> arms
> and reach are long, and extend way past this group. Snap your fingers, and
> something might happen.
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 22:13:04 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:13:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
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Message-ID: <002401ccc060$00acf4b0$0206de10$@net>

Wow Art, that is prophetic as a measure of a client.
And I totally agree. Their payment practices speak volumes for their
commitment and integrity.
Fire a client ? ABSOLUTELY. In fact, if you go to any Personal Injury Law
firm, they spend an enormous amount of time doing what ? SIZING UP THEIR
POTENTIAL CLIENTS. If they don't like em, they say good bye IMMEDIATELY.
Trust me, I have a good friend in that business.

I had a client from hell. Indian guy...IT director.
Fired his employee....then a lawsuit ensued (OF COURSE !!).
I got hired to pick up that work. It was crap (heard this before ?).
I worked like a madman to learn their business, their operations,
etc....there was no documentation (heard this before ?)
The Access database was in need of a total rewrite. No time for that (heard
this before ?)

So I kept on working....without getting paid.
Then they fired me, just when I had finished it all.
Asked for their really expensive laptop back.
I REFUSED to give it back without being paid.

Agency stepped in....called for a demo.
I demoed, they were happy, I got paid...on-the-spot, in full.

I was contacted to do some enhancements, they didn't like my price or time
estimates...
so I never heard from them again.



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 22:26:35 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:26:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
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	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
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Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4ALoP107CXrP2srRixH13j9XAC=fPf8gvytzQLsiXtwg@mail.gmail.com>

@Art... spot on. The longer one stays associated with a bad gig the less
self respect one retains.

If you stay on past the point where you can feel yourself beginning to
resent this client or employer you might start to show a side of yourself
which you wouldn't in a more healthy environment.

It usually pays to be diplomatic in how you "fire" a client.Try not to give
them a reason to blackball you and offer to do knowledge tranfer ... even
if you despise them.

When it comes to improving your situation SEEK AND YOU SHALL FIND!!!
On Dec 21, 2011 4:07 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
> 15 years ago ? No problem.
>
> > we just have to know when to say no.
> >
> > Susan H.
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 22:34:31 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:34:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <002401ccc060$00acf4b0$0206de10$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
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	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
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	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
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	<002401ccc060$00acf4b0$0206de10$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6miPMSW+poSnDyxm-5XyZkh7QBL7hkENQyJEwQvSqCoQ@mail.gmail.com>

When it comes to love you never forget your first. But in the working world
you never forget your worst, eh Mark?
On Dec 21, 2011 11:14 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Wow Art, that is prophetic as a measure of a client.
> And I totally agree. Their payment practices speak volumes for their
> commitment and integrity.
> Fire a client ? ABSOLUTELY. In fact, if you go to any Personal Injury Law
> firm, they spend an enormous amount of time doing what ? SIZING UP THEIR
> POTENTIAL CLIENTS. If they don't like em, they say good bye IMMEDIATELY.
> Trust me, I have a good friend in that business.
>
> I had a client from hell. Indian guy...IT director.
> Fired his employee....then a lawsuit ensued (OF COURSE !!).
> I got hired to pick up that work. It was crap (heard this before ?).
> I worked like a madman to learn their business, their operations,
> etc....there was no documentation (heard this before ?)
> The Access database was in need of a total rewrite. No time for that (heard
> this before ?)
>
> So I kept on working....without getting paid.
> Then they fired me, just when I had finished it all.
> Asked for their really expensive laptop back.
> I REFUSED to give it back without being paid.
>
> Agency stepped in....called for a demo.
> I demoed, they were happy, I got paid...on-the-spot, in full.
>
> I was contacted to do some enhancements, they didn't like my price or time
> estimates...
> so I never heard from them again.
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Dec 22 12:35:38 2011
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:35:38 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
Message-ID: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>


Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1

Pat     Date       Result
A1     01-01-11    15
A1     10-10-11     7
A1     11-11-11     6

When i use the query: 

SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;

Then is stil have these three records because of the Result

What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what value there is for result

Pat     LastDate         Result
A1     11-11-11           6


I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
Is has to been done with a subquery.

Who can help me?

Thanks

Pedro

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 06:05:26 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:05:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jdj66N4wOGrtPDNg2=Amm9fF9aGBDzHaTZW5Z9=++d4A@mail.gmail.com>

I think what you want is this:

SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;

HTH,
Arthur

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:

>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat     Date       Result
> A1     01-01-11    15
> A1     10-10-11     7
> A1     11-11-11     6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> value there is for result
>
> Pat     LastDate         Result
> A1     11-11-11           6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 08:03:57 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:03:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pKyxRbCn-0jUcbCFXHTcsEBjwa-wBaCFcU3ATbcgP1grQ@mail.gmail.com>

Remove the tbl1.Result from the Group By so you only group by Pat.

GK

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM,  <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat ? ? Date ? ? ? Result
> A1 ? ? 01-01-11 ? ?15
> A1 ? ? 10-10-11 ? ? 7
> A1 ? ? 11-11-11 ? ? 6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what value there is for result
>
> Pat ? ? LastDate ? ? ? ? Result
> A1 ? ? 11-11-11 ? ? ? ? ? 6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 08:46:51 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:46:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V6miPMSW+poSnDyxm-5XyZkh7QBL7hkENQyJEwQvSqCoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
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	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
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	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
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	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
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	<CAGuQ9V6miPMSW+poSnDyxm-5XyZkh7QBL7hkENQyJEwQvSqCoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007801ccc0b8$8b0e2fe0$a12a8fa0$@net>

> When it comes to love you never forget your first. But in the working
> world you never forget your worst, eh Mark?

I just love that quip Bill.



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 11:02:06 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:02:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5x+PH0u2K25quE7BLy2H+q-kt1hrXdJP8AAiNuOwOj_g@mail.gmail.com>

Ill go out on a limb and suppose that you really meant the Max date since
the sample data was in ascending date order.

Select tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result from Tbl1 where tbl1.date =(Select
Max(t2.Date) From Tbl1 as t2 Where t2.Pat = Tbl1.Pat)

That is "air code" I have not tested it.
On Dec 22, 2011 6:39 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:

>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat     Date       Result
> A1     01-01-11    15
> A1     10-10-11     7
> A1     11-11-11     6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> value there is for result
>
> Pat     LastDate         Result
> A1     11-11-11           6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 11:02:31 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:02:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>

Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
the original developer would use the Format function to round a large series
of individual values,
 and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
Ex: .55+.55=1.1
His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
Ex: .6+.6=1.2
In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !

And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
unit.

Wowzer indeed.




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 11:13:33 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:13:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6yVM2jAeqL2d5CNS-ixKz-TvspQhNgHNmNCJtmzZgB5A@mail.gmail.com>

I am sure that they are losing so much money that most of their thinking
investors and auditors have abandoned and the fools who remain don't know
the difference between a balance sheet that adds up and one that doesn't.
On Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large
> series
> of individual values,
>  and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
> unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 11:17:27 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:17:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pKyxRbCn-0jUcbCFXHTcsEBjwa-wBaCFcU3ATbcgP1grQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<CAJ2R_pKyxRbCn-0jUcbCFXHTcsEBjwa-wBaCFcU3ATbcgP1grQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWbW8zDmgnpuTsww5FyfbqAcJ4a=5MeqE8yY18-1k=gA4w@mail.gmail.com>

SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
INNER JOIN (SELECT Max(tbl1.Date) AS MaxDate FROM tbl1) B
ON tbl1.Date = B.MaxDate
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;


The only thing to warn you about Pedro is if you have more than one record
with the same last date.

For instance.

A1 01/01/11 6
B1 01/01/11 5


Also "Date" is a bad name for a field name as it is a reserved word.

HTH
David McAfee

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 22 11:31:48 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:31:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
Message-ID: <4EF36984.3020502@colbyconsulting.com>

BACKUP the original!!!  You need to be able to prove that the old sucked and the new... sucks 
less... (you can only fix what you find).

Then you need to start a document of each thing like this that you find.  It will provide a huge 
evidence base for when you present the case for "your application sucks and this is why it takes so 
long to get it working".

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/22/2011 12:02 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large series
> of individual values,
>   and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
> unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.
>
>
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 22 12:26:48 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:26:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <4EF36984.3020502@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net><000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
	<4EF36984.3020502@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EF37668.3010809@torchlake.com>

ABSOLUTELY!!!  John is right on!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/22/2011 12:31 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> BACKUP the original!!!  You need to be able to prove that the old 
> sucked and the new... sucks less... (you can only fix what you find).
>
> Then you need to start a document of each thing like this that you 
> find.  It will provide a huge evidence base for when you present the 
> case for "your application sucks and this is why it takes so long to 
> get it working".
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/22/2011 12:02 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
>> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large 
>> series
>> of individual values,
>>   and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
>> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
>> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
>> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
>> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
>> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>>
>> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main 
>> processing
>> unit.
>>
>> Wowzer indeed.
>>
>>
>>
>

From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Thu Dec 22 14:20:45 2011
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:20:45 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jdj66N4wOGrtPDNg2=Amm9fF9aGBDzHaTZW5Z9=++d4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<CAEPJO1jdj66N4wOGrtPDNg2=Amm9fF9aGBDzHaTZW5Z9=++d4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D2E51B0BCC74E53ACAC61349B56E280@stevelaptop>

Agreed.  Assuming you mean the most recent date, i.e. Max rather than Last, 
then Arthur's suggestion is how I would do it.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Last Date Query

I think what you want is this:

SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;

HTH,
Arthur

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:

>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat     Date       Result
> A1     01-01-11    15
> A1     10-10-11     7
> A1     11-11-11     6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> value there is for result
>
> Pat     LastDate         Result
> A1     11-11-11           6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec 22 14:42:41 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 06:42:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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It depends on the situation.

If you are rounding prices to the nearest 10c, accountants don't like accounts that show  :

Item 1  0.60
Item 2  0.60
============
Total   1.10

If you want the total to equal the sum of all of the line items, you need to round each item 
(using either ROUND() or FORMAT(). and sum the rounded result.   That is standard 
practice in accounting.

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Dec 2011 at 12:02, Mark Simms wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large series
> of individual values,
>  and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
> 
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
> unit.
> 
> Wowzer indeed.
> 
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 22 14:54:08 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:54:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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It is also standard practice to use a datatype appropriate for currency.  That is why currency data 
types exist.  It is also standard practice in banking to round 1/2 of the numbers up and the other down.

But that is a discussion for another day.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/22/2011 3:42 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> It depends on the situation.
>
> If you are rounding prices to the nearest 10c, accountants don't like accounts that show  :
>
> Item 1  0.60
> Item 2  0.60
> ============
> Total   1.10
>
> If you want the total to equal the sum of all of the line items, you need to round each item
> (using either ROUND() or FORMAT(). and sum the rounded result.   That is standard
> practice in accounting.
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec 22 15:39:28 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 07:39:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <4EF398F0.4030401@colbyconsulting.com>
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	<4EF398F0.4030401@colbyconsulting.com>
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How do you do that in Excel?   

ALL numbers in  Excel are stored as Doubles, you can only change the display - not the 
storage format.

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Dec 2011 at 15:54, jwcolby wrote:

> It is also standard practice to use a datatype appropriate for currency.  That is why currency data 
> types exist. 


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 15:49:26 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:49:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
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Since now two posts have been made since I offered my idea that what was
really wanted was Max.... and neither commented one way or another on my
query .... what was incorrect about how I did it?
On Dec 22, 2011 3:22 PM, "Steve Schapel" <steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz>
wrote:

> Agreed.  Assuming you mean the most recent date, i.e. Max rather than
> Last, then Arthur's suggestion is how I would do it.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Last Date Query
>
> I think what you want is this:
>
> SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;
>
> HTH,
> Arthur
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
>
>
>> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>>
>> Pat     Date       Result
>> A1     01-01-11    15
>> A1     10-10-11     7
>> A1     11-11-11     6
>>
>> When i use the query:
>>
>> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
>> FROM tbl1
>> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>>
>> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>>
>> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
>> value there is for result
>>
>> Pat     LastDate         Result
>> A1     11-11-11           6
>>
>>
>> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
>> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>>
>> Who can help me?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Pedro
>> --
>>
>
> --
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 16:02:59 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 14:02:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
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Nothing, I think that would work, and would also return more than one
record as my suggestion would, if there were indeed more than one record on
that max date.

D

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:49 PM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> Since now two posts have been made since I offered my idea that what was
> really wanted was Max.... and neither commented one way or another on my
> query .... what was incorrect about how I did it?
> On Dec 22, 2011 3:22 PM, "Steve Schapel" <
> steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz>
> wrote:
>
> > Agreed.  Assuming you mean the most recent date, i.e. Max rather than
> > Last, then Arthur's suggestion is how I would do it.
> >
> > Regards
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:05 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Last Date Query
> >
> > I think what you want is this:
> >
> > SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> > FROM tbl1
> > ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;
> >
> > HTH,
> > Arthur
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
> >>
> >> Pat     Date       Result
> >> A1     01-01-11    15
> >> A1     10-10-11     7
> >> A1     11-11-11     6
> >>
> >> When i use the query:
> >>
> >> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> >> FROM tbl1
> >> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
> >>
> >> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
> >>
> >> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> >> value there is for result
> >>
> >> Pat     LastDate         Result
> >> A1     11-11-11           6
> >>
> >>
> >> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> >> Is has to been done with a subquery.
> >>
> >> Who can help me?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Pedro
> >> --
> >>
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 16:28:21 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:28:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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In my last role I saw a similar issue when one of the developers was trying to group data which contained decimals into the nearest whole number (up or down) to determine the band.  He was using the INT function which he didn't understand at all (from what I can tell).

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).  Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error.

That said, I am not perfect with these things either and have made plenty of similar errors over the years.  Guess it shows the importance of getting everything tested by a whole group of different (and skilled) folks.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 4:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

I am sure that they are losing so much money that most of their thinking investors and auditors have abandoned and the fools who remain don't know the difference between a balance sheet that adds up and one that doesn't.
On Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers, 
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large 
> series of individual values,  and then total-up the rounded results 
> instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main 
> processing unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.
>
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 16:59:47 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:59:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Thanks John - exactly. I hit them with it and they were shocked.
Keep in mind, I had to really push them to do this remediation....
they were dragging and kicking their feet.

>
> BACKUP the original!!!  You need to be able to prove that the old
> sucked and the new... sucks
> less... (you can only fix what you find).
>
> Then you need to start a document of each thing like this that you
> find.  It will provide a huge
> evidence base for when you present the case for "your application sucks
> and this is why it takes so
> long to get it working".
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting



From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 17:06:24 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:06:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Omigosh, this one is a great story for the EUSprig group...they track all
business-related spreadsheet disasters that have a financial consequence. So
let me get this straight, their scaling went like 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, etc ?
So that required a special rounding function....rounding to the nearest 0.5.
So 1.26 would go to 1.5, 1.75 would go to 2.0....correct ?

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk
matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be
regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were
returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a
risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).
Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk
profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 17:36:46 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:36:46 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Hi Mark,

They had four risk bands (1-4) with each band having a heavier weighting to compensate for the higher risk.  There were also four questions (the matching 4's with the questions and banding is a coincidence and not related at all - althought the 4 questions within each combobox is related to the risk banding scale).

In this instance it related to property insurance (mainly for fire risk) so the questions were about type of construction, roof,  interior and how old the wiring and plumbing was.  You get the idea. - it was fairly high level stuff.

The maths worked like this.  Each of the 4 questions had 4 possible responses.  The 4 responses were scaled from 1 to 4 depending on how risky they were.  The sum of the four responses were divided by 4 to give a risk band rating.  As the division can result in non-integers the value needed to be rounded up or down to the nearest whole to give the correct rating.

For example.  If the responses were
1
1
2
3
(Total of 7)
7/4 = 1.75

So this customer should be paying the rate from risk band 2.  However the code was doing this

INT(7/4) to make the integer which would always return a 1 regardless.  The only time you would ever get a 2 rating was if the result was > than 2 already.  So they were underquoting on their risk for many of their clients.  This was really bad for when high level rating 3 types were not being rated as 4 (some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3 would be returned).

Had a fun one at an oil company with rounding and zeros too.  Story for another day.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

Omigosh, this one is a great story for the EUSprig group...they track all business-related spreadsheet disasters that have a financial consequence. So let me get this straight, their scaling went like 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, etc ?
So that required a special rounding function....rounding to the nearest 0.5.
So 1.26 would go to 1.5, 1.75 would go to 2.0....correct ?

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).
Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error



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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 19:26:58 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:26:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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(some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3
would be returned).

A disasterous conclusion IMHO.



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 19:35:01 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:35:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Yes... Fully agree. They (the portfolio risk manager) were really unhappy as the business had already been written, the risk paid for by the client.  Nothing they could do except wait out the term of the agreement.

of course then it puts them in the situation next year when the client want to renew and the business manager now has to decline it.

Cheers
Darryl

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Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 12:27 PM
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(some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3 would be returned).

A disasterous conclusion IMHO.


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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 20:56:51 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:56:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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I think when i used to prepare financial statements it was always an art to
get all the numbers to round correctly. I had a finance manager who was
awesome at it. Naturally formulas went both across and down and all the
numbers had the same precision as well as formatting. But the guy could
make little adjustments here and there and always get it to come out
perfectly. I'd spend hours and still never get things to balance.

Personally I would prefer if all numbers went on the sheet with all the
precision they merit,  without concern whether formatted numbers add up to
the foematted total. But I guess perception is reality and if the financial
statements look like they don't add up people question the processes that
underlie them.

Thing is, while you're doing year-end stuff you make changes all the time
to final numbers ... so you start the adjustment dance all over.

I dont mimd formatting but i feel rounding raw numbers and even
intermediate results evil and I hate it. Figures never lie but liars must
always figure.
On Dec 22, 2011 8:36 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Yes... Fully agree. They (the portfolio risk manager) were really unhappy
> as the business had already been written, the risk paid for by the client.
>  Nothing they could do except wait out the term of the agreement.
>
> of course then it puts them in the situation next year when the client
> want to renew and the business manager now has to decline it.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 12:27 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
>
> (some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3
> would be returned).
>
> A disasterous conclusion IMHO.
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 21:10:07 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:10:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V6sEo=P151utGYnr3UYXom5P9YjNReEZz0m6DnQu+-xwQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, rounding was the oil company problem as well.

In short the Aussie HO used to look after all the deliveries to all the piddly little Pacific Islands (right out to Guam etc).  A lot of these places would only want less than 500,000 BOE delivered each time the ship showed up.

Say Island X wanted 250,000 K of BOE this month.

In the Spreadsheet used to track all this stuff the girl would key in 250,000 BOE but the workbook was rounded to display millions of BOE as the minimum display (fair enough I guess as most places do use millions and millions of BOE).

Anyway, as expected the 250K would show as Zero in the workbook.  Of course whilst the data was in XL the reports would still calculate correctly as the underlying value was indeed 250K, even though it was displayed as zero.

But of course they used SAP for their accounting and control.  So what happened was the girl would print out her Spreadsheet, send it to another dept who would then (re)key the data into SAP.  Suddenly all those little oil deliveries were being entered as Zeros, not their real amounts.

BAM! Big problem as millions of BOE started to vanish from the system.

Easy enough to fix once I tracked down where the problem was (I ended up showing them how push the data from XL directly into SAP without all the printing, internal mail and rekeying business and also modded the format to show a different format if the zero value was not a true zero.

Rounding and formats.  Approach with some caution I say.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 1:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

I think when i used to prepare financial statements it was always an art to get all the numbers to round correctly. I had a finance manager who was awesome at it. Naturally formulas went both across and down and all the numbers had the same precision as well as formatting. But the guy could make little adjustments here and there and always get it to come out perfectly. I'd spend hours and still never get things to balance.

Personally I would prefer if all numbers went on the sheet with all the precision they merit,  without concern whether formatted numbers add up to the foematted total. But I guess perception is reality and if the financial statements look like they don't add up people question the processes that underlie them.

Thing is, while you're doing year-end stuff you make changes all the time to final numbers ... so you start the adjustment dance all over.

I dont mimd formatting but i feel rounding raw numbers and even intermediate results evil and I hate it. Figures never lie but liars must always figure.
On Dec 22, 2011 8:36 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Yes... Fully agree. They (the portfolio risk manager) were really 
> unhappy as the business had already been written, the risk paid for by the client.
>  Nothing they could do except wait out the term of the agreement.
>
> of course then it puts them in the situation next year when the client 
> want to renew and the business manager now has to decline it.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 12:27 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
>
> (some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as 
> a 3 would be returned).
>
> A disasterous conclusion IMHO.
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 02:18:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:18:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
Message-ID: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>

I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application and the file(s) that make 
it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The recordset opened then 
defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute, and then opens that app.

It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and running and CopyAndExecute 
closes.

Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 23 04:01:31 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:01:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk>

Hi Darryl et al

Sorry to destroy the party, but all it takes is well defined criteria (business rules) - which seems to have been present here and trivial too - as well as a skilled programmer in this area - no guru or genius is required. If you deal with calculations and feel you can't handle rounding properly, you should put this item on the agenda to fill one of the empty(!) spaces in the upcoming Christmas holiday season. It isn't difficult at all.

Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function Round is not the answer to any serious task:

http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/c_Round.htm#Round16

And don't forget: Math is fun!

/gustav


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 22-12-2011 23:28 >>>
In my last role I saw a similar issue when one of the developers was trying to group data which contained decimals into the nearest whole number (up or down) to determine the band.  He was using the INT function which he didn't understand at all (from what I can tell).

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).  Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error.

That said, I am not perfect with these things either and have made plenty of similar errors over the years.  Guess it shows the importance of getting everything tested by a whole group of different (and skilled) folks.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 4:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

I am sure that they are losing so much money that most of their thinking investors and auditors have abandoned and the fools who remain don't know the difference between a balance sheet that adds up and one that doesn't.
On Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers, 
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large 
> series of individual values,  and then total-up the rounded results 
> instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main 
> processing unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.



From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Dec 23 13:01:41 2011
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:01:41 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
Message-ID: <201112231201.pBNC1fGY024467@mailhostC.plex.net>

Dear group,

thanks for all the help.
I have tried all the suggestions.
Also i have added some records to the test-table, to exclude double dates etc.

Here is the test table:

Pat             Date                 Result
A1              1-1-20111            5
A1             10-10-2011            7
A1             11-11-2011            8
A1             11-11-2011            6
B2               4-4-2011            6
B2               5-5-2011            3
B2               1-1-2011           15
B2               1-1-2011            4
B2               5-5-2011            5
B2               5-5-2011            1

The result shout be: 

Pat           LastDate           Result
A1            11-11-2011          8
B2             5-5-2011           5



Here are the result given by the groupmembers, with the result en at last the correct solution.
 

1--------------



SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, Last(tbl1.Result) AS LastResult
FROM tbl1
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat;

Pat              LastDate            LastResult
A1               11-11-2011          6
B2                5-5-2011           1



2---------------  



SELECT tbl1.Pat, Max(tbl1.Date) AS MaxDate, Max(tbl1.Result) AS MaxResult
FROM tbl1
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat;

Pat                MaxDate             MaxResult
A1                 11-11-2011          8
B2                   5-5-2011          6
 


3---------------



SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1 
INNER JOIN (SELECT Max(tbl1.Date) AS MaxDate FROM tbl1)  B ON tbl1.Date=B.MaxDate
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;

Pat               LastDate              Result
A1                 11-11-2011           6
A1                 11-11-2011           8



4-------------



SELECT Tbl1.Pat, Tbl1.Date, Tbl1.Result
FROM Tbl1
WHERE (((Tbl1.Date)=(Select Max(t2.Date) From Tbl1 as t2 Where t2.Pat = Tbl1.Pat)));


Pat          Date                Result
A1           11-11-2011          8
A1           11-11-2011          6
B2            5-5-2011           3
B2            5-5-2011           5
B2            5-5-2011           1

This solution from Wiliam gives me the all the results with the last date.


These i can easily query by:

SELECT Query5.Pat, Query5.Date, Max(Query5.Result) AS MaxVanResult
FROM Query5
GROUP BY Query5.Pat, Query5.Date;

Pat           Date               MaxVanResult
A1            11-11-2011          8
B2              5-5-2011          5


Thanks en best wishes

Pedro


p.s.  David, normally i never use "date" as a fieldname. I was just for this example.



From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec 23 07:27:39 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:27:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>

Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?

> Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> Round is not the answer to any serious task:
>
>
> /gustav



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 09:34:48 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:34:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
Message-ID: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>

I am beginning the long hard task of migrating a client from Access data stores (many many) to SQL 
Server.  This is my client, the data is mostly mine etc.  The client is on board that we do this and 
in fact is investing in the server, OS and SQL Server software to do this.

My problem is that while I have used SQL Server a ton over the last few years it has not been in the 
normal parent / child / grandchild, enforce referential integrity, enforce uniqueness and all that 
jazz.  So I need to learn some stuff like how to enforce unique values in a column.

I also need to discover how to migrate data from Access to SQL Server.  The data migration wizard in 
SQL Server is actually quite good however AFAICT it does not pull relationships in, in fact it does 
not even capture the fact that the PK is an autonumber and PK.  It also seems to default to nvarchar 
whereas I prefer varchar.

Thus importing data using that wizard does work but it is pretty labor intensive fixing up the 
identity and setting the PK to a PK, editing mappings and so forth.

I would like to start a thread on this aspect of moving to SQL Server.  What has been your 
experience in this data migration, what tools have you used, what gotchas have you run into etc.

Thanks,

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec 23 10:05:04 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:05:04 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?My_Excel_project=2E=2E=2Eyou_won=27t_believe_?=
 =?utf-8?q?this_one?=
In-Reply-To: <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
Message-ID: <E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>

Hi Mark, Gustav at all --

> Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
They didn't.

> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
Yes, the do.

 Access 2010:

?round(2.5)
 2 
?format(2.5, "0")
3

Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:

http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html

or even earlier...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> 
> > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> >
> >
> > /gustav
> 
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Dec 23 10:05:07 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:05:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

John,

I've done like you describe with just importing the tables, doing all
the fixing up of the tables, relationships, etc... afterwards.  Not fun,
especially with lots of tables, but that was back on Access 97 and SQL
2000.

Have you looked that the SQL Server Migration Assistant (SSMA) at
Microsoft?

http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
x#Access


Here's an old article (July 2003) from Susan Harkins about using the
Upsizing Wizard in Access 2003, probably outdated for newer versions of
SQL Server

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/upsizing-an-existing-microsoft-acces
s-database/5035130


HTH

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

I am beginning the long hard task of migrating a client from Access data
stores (many many) to SQL Server.  This is my client, the data is mostly
mine etc.  The client is on board that we do this and in fact is
investing in the server, OS and SQL Server software to do this.

My problem is that while I have used SQL Server a ton over the last few
years it has not been in the normal parent / child / grandchild, enforce
referential integrity, enforce uniqueness and all that jazz.  So I need
to learn some stuff like how to enforce unique values in a column.

I also need to discover how to migrate data from Access to SQL Server.
The data migration wizard in SQL Server is actually quite good however
AFAICT it does not pull relationships in, in fact it does not even
capture the fact that the PK is an autonumber and PK.  It also seems to
default to nvarchar whereas I prefer varchar.

Thus importing data using that wizard does work but it is pretty labor
intensive fixing up the identity and setting the PK to a PK, editing
mappings and so forth.

I would like to start a thread on this aspect of moving to SQL Server.
What has been your experience in this data migration, what tools have
you used, what gotchas have you run into etc.

Thanks,

--
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 10:26:51 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:26:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>

The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is ... a document on how 
to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that do this.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> x#Access


From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Dec 23 10:42:17 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:42:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A442@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Looks like the end of the link got wrapped to the next line.  The
x#Access should be at the end of the url.  I was just there so I know it
still exists :-)  

I just googled Microsoft SSMA and the top listing was Free Microsoft SQL
Server Database Migration Assistant.  Once you go there you can click on
the Migration Tool tab.

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's
left is ... a document on how to and links to companies (Microsoft
partners?) that do this.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>
http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> x#Access

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From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Dec 23 10:47:40 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:47:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <015601ccc192$959333e0$c0b99ba0$@comcast.net>

Hi John,

Honestly, I've used SSMA for Access and it was a little funky.  I recently
just used the upsizing wizard in Access and that went fine with one strong
caveat.  I purchased an app named Must for upsizing, and it's better than
using the upsizing wizard in Access - for me it pinpointed a bad date in a
date field which prevented upsizing in Access.  Must does have a little
learning curve so go through that for an hour or so and you'll like it.

You should upsize Indexes, Validation Rules, Defaults, but do not upsize
relationships between tables.  This will give you Triggers and Constraints
which will be intended to duplicate the functionality of a relationship.
That works, but in Diagrams on SQL Server you can create any number of
different table relationship diagrams.  But when you create the diagrams,
you've now duplicated the table relationship functionality with the upsized
Triggers and Constraints.  SQL Server has good screens for creating both
indexes and table relationships, and you should use those.

Also, do add timestamp fields - these will allow 'edited record'
functionality to work in SQL Server.

HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is
... a document on how to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that
do this.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> x#Access

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From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Dec 23 10:52:01 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:52:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A442@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A442@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <015a01ccc193$318c66e0$94a534a0$@comcast.net>

And - after you click on the Migration Tool tab you have to select 'Access'
from the dropdown list under the 'migrating from' square.  Otherwise it just
looks like SSMA is only for Oracle to SQL Server.

Maybe today's version is better than the one I used.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

Looks like the end of the link got wrapped to the next line.  The x#Access
should be at the end of the url.  I was just there so I know it still exists
:-)  

I just googled Microsoft SSMA and the top listing was Free Microsoft SQL
Server Database Migration Assistant.  Once you go there you can click on the
Migration Tool tab.

Rusty



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 10:54:44 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:54:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <015601ccc192$959333e0$c0b99ba0$@comcast.net>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
	<015601ccc192$959333e0$c0b99ba0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EF4B254.2030901@colbyconsulting.com>

Must looks pretty cheap.  I might give that a try.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:47 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Honestly, I've used SSMA for Access and it was a little funky.  I recently
> just used the upsizing wizard in Access and that went fine with one strong
> caveat.  I purchased an app named Must for upsizing, and it's better than
> using the upsizing wizard in Access - for me it pinpointed a bad date in a
> date field which prevented upsizing in Access.  Must does have a little
> learning curve so go through that for an hour or so and you'll like it.
>
> You should upsize Indexes, Validation Rules, Defaults, but do not upsize
> relationships between tables.  This will give you Triggers and Constraints
> which will be intended to duplicate the functionality of a relationship.
> That works, but in Diagrams on SQL Server you can create any number of
> different table relationship diagrams.  But when you create the diagrams,
> you've now duplicated the table relationship functionality with the upsized
> Triggers and Constraints.  SQL Server has good screens for creating both
> indexes and table relationships, and you should use those.
>
> Also, do add timestamp fields - these will allow 'edited record'
> functionality to work in SQL Server.
>
> HTH,
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:27 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
>
> The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is
> ... a document on how to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that
> do this.
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
>> x#Access
>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Dec 23 12:51:49 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:51:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4B6F63DA6C5C4180A0185048B6E2593A@XPS>

John,

 For some great tips on using Access with SQL Server, download "Best of both
worlds" from here:

http://www.jstreettech.com/cartgenie/pg_developerDownloads.asp


 Also not sure if it was you or someone else that posted a MSKB/MSDN link
that had tons on the deep internals of how Access uses a unique key with
table linking and how you could control it in Access.  I'll have to dig for
that one.

  I know it was posted to the list at one point (pretty sure I posted the
above link as well in the past, but it's worth a re-post).

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

I am beginning the long hard task of migrating a client from Access data
stores (many many) to SQL 
Server.  This is my client, the data is mostly mine etc.  The client is on
board that we do this and 
in fact is investing in the server, OS and SQL Server software to do this.

My problem is that while I have used SQL Server a ton over the last few
years it has not been in the 
normal parent / child / grandchild, enforce referential integrity, enforce
uniqueness and all that 
jazz.  So I need to learn some stuff like how to enforce unique values in a
column.

I also need to discover how to migrate data from Access to SQL Server.  The
data migration wizard in 
SQL Server is actually quite good however AFAICT it does not pull
relationships in, in fact it does 
not even capture the fact that the PK is an autonumber and PK.  It also
seems to default to nvarchar 
whereas I prefer varchar.

Thus importing data using that wizard does work but it is pretty labor
intensive fixing up the 
identity and setting the PK to a PK, editing mappings and so forth.

I would like to start a thread on this aspect of moving to SQL Server.  What
has been your 
experience in this data migration, what tools have you used, what gotchas
have you run into etc.

Thanks,

-- 
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Colby Consulting

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 14:31:21 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:31:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
Message-ID: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>

I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a string in another text box. 
  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access is a constant directory 
location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.

However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update) so the string I am 
building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the 
'\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this 
behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.

Any thoughts?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From guss at beechnutconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 14:46:15 2011
From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:46:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00a101ccc1b3$ea35e890$bea1b9b0$@beechnutconsulting.com>

John,

I usually accomplish this by using the AfterUpdate event.  If the entry is
bound to a field then you may want to do validation testing on the entry
(such as "is it null?", etc) in the before update event.  Once validated,
the after update event can populate the derived value into txtB.


Sincerely yours,
 
Guss Ginsburg
Beechnut Consulting Services



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 2:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null

I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
string in another text box. 
  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access
is a constant directory location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' &
txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.

However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update)
so the string I am building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being
inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the '\'.  I thought I was going to use
txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this behavior and
don't quite know how to work around it.

Any thoughts?

--
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Colby Consulting

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Dec 23 14:58:49 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:58:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <63C61366D5D745588E069510909C22B9@XPS>


 Until the control is updated, you need to grab the value in the buffer with
the .Text property.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 03:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null

I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
string in another text box. 
  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access
is a constant directory 
location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.

However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update)
so the string I am 
building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the
'C:\Access\' and the 
'\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never
really knew about this 
behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.

Any thoughts?

-- 
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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec 23 15:00:09 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:00:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Try this:

Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
    txtB = "C:\Access\" & txtA.Text & IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
End Sub

-- 
Stuart

On 23 Dec 2011 at 15:31, jwcolby wrote:

> I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a string in another text box. 
>   IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access is a constant directory 
> location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.
> 
> However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update) so the string I am 
> building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the 
> '\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this 
> behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec 23 15:04:31 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 01:04:31 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Migrate_to_SQL_Server?=
In-Reply-To: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E1ReCI3-00044z-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f250.mail.ru>

Hi John at all --

> The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  
It didn't.

I have just used MS Access 2010 and its Database Tools -> SQL Server feature to get upsized my customer model MS Access database into MS SQL Server 2008 R2 database.
All worked flawlessly: 

- autonumbers went upsized into identity fields,
- relationships - into DRI (option to be selected in upsizing setup dialog),
....

Here is screenshot of relationships diagrams, the one for MS SQL was built  and arranged automatically after I have added all the tables to a new empty MS SQL Database Diagram:

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/fm.png

Thank you.

-- Shamil



23 ??????? 2011, 20:29 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is ... a document on how
> to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that do this.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> > x#Access
> 
> --> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 15:45:38 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:45:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8987n_OPMCj6mE__DqsJ4EnQoBDBr0Ukm6+WBESQB46Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure value will work the way you want it to, but you might try
using the beforeupdate of the first textbox to write the text in the box
(not the value) to the second textbox.  I may be confusing VB.Net and VBA,
so don't take my advice as gospel.

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
> string in another text box.  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to
> 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access is a constant directory location and I am
> inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.
>
> However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after
> update) so the string I am building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null
> is being inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the '\'.  I thought I was
> going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this
> behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 15:52:46 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:52:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <63C61366D5D745588E069510909C22B9@XPS>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
	<63C61366D5D745588E069510909C22B9@XPS>
Message-ID: <4EF4F82E.8010903@colbyconsulting.com>

OK, thanks.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 3:58 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   Until the control is updated, you need to grab the value in the buffer with
> the .Text property.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 03:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
>
> I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
> string in another text box.
>    IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access
> is a constant directory
> location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\'&  txtA.Value&  '\' into txtB.
>
> However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update)
> so the string I am
> building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the
> 'C:\Access\' and the
> '\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never
> really knew about this
> behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 21:42:48 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:42:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
	<E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>

Ok good article ... seems to have been written before ac2010 but I am
certainly willing to believe that VBA does no better job of these things
than it ever did. THAT SAID... my hope (and trust) is that the Excel
interface and its functions would do a better job with calculations.
Wherever possible I try to use the worksheet to do as much work as
possible. Is that a mistake? I would hate to think I really need to be
adding such tedious Udfs to formulas just to get accurate results

??
On Dec 23, 2011 11:06 AM, "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Mark, Gustav at all --
>
> > Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
> They didn't.
>
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
> Yes, the do.
>
>  Access 2010:
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html
>
> or even earlier...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> 23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> > Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> >
> > > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> > >
> > >
> > > /gustav
> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 23:45:51 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 00:45:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Further to libraries
Message-ID: <4EF5670F.2050505@colbyconsulting.com>

Libraries solve a problem of making fixes and enhancements in one location.  They create another 
problem which is having to test all the applications that use the library to ensure that they all 
work with the libs before releasing the libs for general use.

The reality is that software is so complex that a problem may be found even after "the tests" which 
may mean backing out the lib (or the app).  One way of dealing with that is to have a directory with 
all of the files required to run the app including the libs.  When any of the required files is 
updated, zip up all of the files and replace whatever files.  If a problem is found down the road, 
unzip all of the files to be back at the previous state.


-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 01:29:03 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 02:29:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5dh4t3MKkG+ghKEG3D1VGAR2F_Mu91YNdPd5YzLf_ThQ@mail.gmail.com>

I guess even the brief time the application is visible between

SET MYACCESS = NEW ACCESS.APPLICATION
MYACCESS.VISIBLE = FALSE

is not acceptable?
On Dec 23, 2011 3:21 AM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
> and the file(s) that make it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.
>  A shortcut opens the access CopyAndExecute.mdb and passes in a command
> line argument which is looked up in a table.  The recordset opened then
> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
> and then opens that app.
>
> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
> invisible.  ATM it opens as a normal Access application which can be seen
> until the target FE is up and running and CopyAndExecute closes.
>
> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 24 03:46:04 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:46:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You need two steps:

1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec macro:
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const SW_HIDE = 0
Const SW_NORMAL = 1
Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3

Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
  (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long

Function Startup() As Long
   Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
End Function

By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that flash, create a shortcut 
to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open your application via 
the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.

-- 
Stuart


On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:

> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application and the file(s) that make 
> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The recordset opened then 
> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute, and then opens that app.
> 
> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and running and CopyAndExecute 
> closes.
> 
> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 06:39:55 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:39:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>

But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
original plan?? 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access

You need two steps:

1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
macro:
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const SW_HIDE = 0
Const SW_NORMAL = 1
Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3

Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
  (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long

Function Startup() As Long
   Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
End Function

By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
flash, create a shortcut 
to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
your application via 
the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.

-- 
Stuart


On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:

> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
and the file(s) that make 
> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
recordset opened then 
> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
and then opens that app.
> 
> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
running and CopyAndExecute 
> closes.
> 
> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 24 09:31:24 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:31:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef5fe68.016@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Round is and has always been buggy. It is not the same as it will never fit a purpose but for serious use it is not reliable.

>From that site (from the link) you can run the test for any custom rounding function. As noted - and (still) to the surprise for many - the only function of VB(A) and Access Basic (version 2.0) too - that performs correct 4/5 rounding is Format. All the Cxxx converter functions perform Banker's Rounding which is not "wrong", just not "clean" 4/5 rounding as you learned in school.

/gustav

>>> marksimms at verizon.net 23-12-2011 14:27 >>>
Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?

> Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> Round is not the answer to any serious task:
>
>
> /gustav




From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 24 09:35:46 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:35:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef5ff77.017@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Well, that article is more about the normal precautions to take when dealing with floating point numbers more than rounding issues.

It is with rounding as with many other tasks that many methods exist and no one is wrong. It all depends.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 23-12-2011 17:05 >>>
Hi Mark, Gustav at all --

> Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
They didn't.

> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
Yes, the do.

 Access 2010:

?round(2.5)
 2 
?format(2.5, "0")
3

Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:

http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html 

or even earlier...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> 
> > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> >
> >
> > /gustav




From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 24 09:40:42 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:40:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>

Hi all

On this evening - Merry Christmas to all after another year with a lot of learning experiences and input at this list (and its sister lists) which still stands out from all the other fora you and I join.
Thanks to all!

/gustav



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 09:39:13 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:39:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <sef5ff77.017@cactus.dk>
References: <sef5ff77.017@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6G2MJz=WeiVnJR91wSgN-WPvfBo-8yMgbQQw6UiuJ8Bg@mail.gmail.com>

I disagree Gustav (and I don't like to disagree with you! Especially at
Christmas time :)

Any time you cannot guarantee a reliable result by your methods.... and are
not knowledgable or willing to inform your users under what conditions they
can expect results to be proper or improper...  that is wrong.
On Dec 24, 2011 10:31 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
>
> Well, that article is more about the normal precautions to take when
> dealing with floating point numbers more than rounding issues.
>
> It is with rounding as with many other tasks that many methods exist and
> no one is wrong. It all depends.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 23-12-2011 17:05 >>>
> Hi Mark, Gustav at all --
>
> > Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
> They didn't.
>
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
> Yes, the do.
>
>  Access 2010:
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html
>
> or even earlier...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> 23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> > Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> >
> > > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> > >
> > >
> > > /gustav
>
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 11:43:59 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:43:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
 further review
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
References: <AcymxEmh2e+IvRDbRUSouWM2nZ+akwAAD3dw>
	<BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am missing the original message where this EIasT.mdb was described /
offered. Reading this message leaves me curious.  May I ask someone to send
me this link offlist?
On Nov 19, 2011 9:13 AM, "Jack and Pat" <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Dan,
>
>
>
> Further to my (off list) note from late last night, I did a little more
> review. I opened the EIasT.mdb with a breakpoint to allow stepping thru the
> code. In the problem data base, the queries and forms - up to the problem
> form - are all exported as text as expected. After the error, the code
> stops
> on a STOP statement, as it should. If I step through, it continues with the
> next procedure in code and does Import the text that was previously
> exported.
>
>
>
> It seems I have a corrupted Form and that its source can not be retrieved.
> I
> did not find any resolution to the "there isn't enough memory to perform
> this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation again". Seems
> the consensus is to rebuild the form involved.
>
>
>
> So from an EIasT view, I did use the utility against another database and
> all was well. It did build a directory and saved all queries, forms,
> reports
> and nodules (I don't have any macros), It did import all the text. It does
> Compact and Repair. And the database , original and rebuilt are available.
> Good stuuf.
>
>
>
> I'm impressed with your code. No wasted code; very concise. I especially
> like the line numbers in the vba. I take it that is based on your use of
> FMC
> utilities. The progress bars are a nice feature - seems there are lots of
> people trying to build these based on forums I've seen.
>
>
>
> Again, thanks for responding quickly, and thanks for the EIasT code.
> Perhaps it should be made available at databaseadvisors as a utility.
>
>
>
> Jack
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Dec 24 11:58:38 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 11:58:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
	further review
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AcymxEmh2e+IvRDbRUSouWM2nZ+akwAAD3dw>	<BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
	<CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501ccc265$a9f78c40$fde6a4c0$@comcast.net>

Hi William,

I have a version of this that I made for myself.  It works on all objects
except tables.

I can email a copy to you offline if you'd like.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
further review

I am missing the original message where this EIasT.mdb was described /
offered. Reading this message leaves me curious.  May I ask someone to send
me this link offlist?
On Nov 19, 2011 9:13 AM, "Jack and Pat" <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Dan,
>
>
>
> Further to my (off list) note from late last night, I did a little 
> more review. I opened the EIasT.mdb with a breakpoint to allow 
> stepping thru the code. In the problem data base, the queries and 
> forms - up to the problem form - are all exported as text as expected. 
> After the error, the code stops on a STOP statement, as it should. If 
> I step through, it continues with the next procedure in code and does 
> Import the text that was previously exported.
>
>
>
> It seems I have a corrupted Form and that its source can not be retrieved.
> I
> did not find any resolution to the "there isn't enough memory to 
> perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation 
> again". Seems the consensus is to rebuild the form involved.
>
>
>
> So from an EIasT view, I did use the utility against another database 
> and all was well. It did build a directory and saved all queries, 
> forms, reports and nodules (I don't have any macros), It did import 
> all the text. It does Compact and Repair. And the database , original 
> and rebuilt are available.
> Good stuuf.
>
>
>
> I'm impressed with your code. No wasted code; very concise. I 
> especially like the line numbers in the vba. I take it that is based 
> on your use of FMC utilities. The progress bars are a nice feature - 
> seems there are lots of people trying to build these based on forums 
> I've seen.
>
>
>
> Again, thanks for responding quickly, and thanks for the EIasT code.
> Perhaps it should be made available at databaseadvisors as a utility.
>
>
>
> Jack
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
--
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 12:01:18 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 13:01:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
 further review
In-Reply-To: <001501ccc265$a9f78c40$fde6a4c0$@comcast.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
	<CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<001501ccc265$a9f78c40$fde6a4c0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6T5B=Pwq5Zk1ScAK8GiCA0FwBcmRqYf_2+pTuz-dp3oQ@mail.gmail.com>

For sure! THANKS IN ADVANCE.
On Dec 24, 2011 1:00 PM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi William,
>
> I have a version of this that I made for myself.  It works on all objects
> except tables.
>
> I can email a copy to you offline if you'd like.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
> further review
>
> I am missing the original message where this EIasT.mdb was described /
> offered. Reading this message leaves me curious.  May I ask someone to send
> me this link offlist?
> On Nov 19, 2011 9:13 AM, "Jack and Pat" <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > Dan,
> >
> >
> >
> > Further to my (off list) note from late last night, I did a little
> > more review. I opened the EIasT.mdb with a breakpoint to allow
> > stepping thru the code. In the problem data base, the queries and
> > forms - up to the problem form - are all exported as text as expected.
> > After the error, the code stops on a STOP statement, as it should. If
> > I step through, it continues with the next procedure in code and does
> > Import the text that was previously exported.
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems I have a corrupted Form and that its source can not be
> retrieved.
> > I
> > did not find any resolution to the "there isn't enough memory to
> > perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation
> > again". Seems the consensus is to rebuild the form involved.
> >
> >
> >
> > So from an EIasT view, I did use the utility against another database
> > and all was well. It did build a directory and saved all queries,
> > forms, reports and nodules (I don't have any macros), It did import
> > all the text. It does Compact and Repair. And the database , original
> > and rebuilt are available.
> > Good stuuf.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm impressed with your code. No wasted code; very concise. I
> > especially like the line numbers in the vba. I take it that is based
> > on your use of FMC utilities. The progress bars are a nice feature -
> > seems there are lots of people trying to build these based on forums
> > I've seen.
> >
> >
> >
> > Again, thanks for responding quickly, and thanks for the EIasT code.
> > Perhaps it should be made available at databaseadvisors as a utility.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Dec 24 13:53:02 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:53:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
	<E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
	<CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004801ccc275$a5cbc9a0$f1635ce0$@net>

Thanks to all who responded...fascinating story of a software behemoth that 
just doesn't care.
I don't want to hear the BS that they couldn't fix it because it would 
something.
Total BS. Just an excuse not to fix.
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 24 14:10:45 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:10:45 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>
References: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <24A6411E-585B-4848-86BB-415F617B3AD6@phulse.com>


Glaedelig jul og godt tub'aar. ;)

- Hans



On 2011-12-24, at 7:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> On this evening - Merry Christmas to all after another year with a lot of learning experiences and input at this list (and its sister lists) which still stands out from all the other fora you and I join.
> Thanks to all!
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 24 14:45:22 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 06:45:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and not have the 
CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.


On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
> original plan?? 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
> 
> You need two steps:
> 
> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
> macro:
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> Const SW_HIDE = 0
> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
> 
> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>   (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
> 
> Function Startup() As Long
>    Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
> End Function
> 
> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
> flash, create a shortcut 
> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
> your application via 
> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
> 
> > I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
> and the file(s) that make 
> > it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
> access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
> > and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
> recordset opened then 
> > defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
> and then opens that app.
> > 
> > It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
> invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
> > normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
> running and CopyAndExecute 
> > closes.
> > 
> > Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
> > 
> > -- 
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > 
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> > 
> > -- 
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 24 15:30:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:30:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EF64473.3000305@colbyconsulting.com>

Right you are Stuart.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and not have the
> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>
>
> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>
>> But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
>> original plan??
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>
>> You need two steps:
>>
>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>> macro:
>> Option Compare Database
>> Option Explicit
>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>
>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>    (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>
>> Function Startup() As Long
>>     Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>> End Function
>>
>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
>> flash, create a shortcut
>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
>> your application via
>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>>> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
>> and the file(s) that make
>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
>> recordset opened then
>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
>> and then opens that app.
>>>
>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>> closes.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 24 15:41:53 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:41:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>

That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to false and then set the Run 
Minimized attribute and I never even see the CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens 
to say "be patient" and off we go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and not have the
> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>
>
> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>
>> But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
>> original plan??
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>
>> You need two steps:
>>
>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>> macro:
>> Option Compare Database
>> Option Explicit
>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>
>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>    (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>
>> Function Startup() As Long
>>     Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>> End Function
>>
>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
>> flash, create a shortcut
>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
>> your application via
>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>>> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
>> and the file(s) that make
>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
>> recordset opened then
>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
>> and then opens that app.
>>>
>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>> closes.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 15:49:37 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:49:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>

I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
vba?

TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
> and off we go.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>
>> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and
>> not have the
>> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>>
>>
>> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>>
>>  But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was
>>> the
>>> original plan??
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>>
>>> You need two steps:
>>>
>>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>>> macro:
>>> Option Compare Database
>>> Option Explicit
>>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>>
>>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>>   (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>>
>>> Function Startup() As Long
>>>    Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>>> End Function
>>>
>>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
>>> flash, create a shortcut
>>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
>>> your application via
>>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>>
>>>  I have written a small app that allows me to define an access
>>>> application
>>>>
>>> and the file(s) that make
>>>
>>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>>>>
>>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>>
>>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.
>>>>  The
>>>>
>>> recordset opened then
>>>
>>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to
>>>> execute,
>>>>
>>> and then opens that app.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>>>>
>>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>>
>>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up
>>>> and
>>>>
>>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>>
>>>> closes.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 15:58:44 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:58:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
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I guess  I am connecting the wrong dots... when john said "I have written a
small app that allows.... I thought his app calls something else via a
shortcut. He wrote "A shortcut opens the copyandexecute.mdb..." so i
thought this was the first thing his app did. I didnt realize he meant "I
use a shortcut to launch my app which is named CopyandExecute.mdb"

MY FAULT.pay me no mind.
On Dec 24, 2011 4:49 PM, "William Benson" <vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
> vba?
>
> TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
> On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>> That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
>> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
>> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
>> and off we go.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>>
>>> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and
>>> not have the
>>> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>>>
>>>  But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was
>>>> the
>>>> original plan??
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>>>
>>>> You need two steps:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>>>> macro:
>>>> Option Compare Database
>>>> Option Explicit
>>>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>>>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>>>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>>>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>>>
>>>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>>>   (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>>>
>>>> Function Startup() As Long
>>>>    Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>>>> End Function
>>>>
>>>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of
>>>> that
>>>> flash, create a shortcut
>>>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.
>>>>  Open
>>>> your application via
>>>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I have written a small app that allows me to define an access
>>>>> application
>>>>>
>>>> and the file(s) that make
>>>>
>>>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>>>>>
>>>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>>>
>>>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.
>>>>>  The
>>>>>
>>>> recordset opened then
>>>>
>>>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to
>>>>> execute,
>>>>>
>>>> and then opens that app.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>>>>>
>>>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>>>
>>>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>>>
>>>>> closes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>

From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Dec 24 17:26:50 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:26:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Merry Christmas AccessD Members !
In-Reply-To: <004801ccc275$a5cbc9a0$f1635ce0$@net>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
	<E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
	<CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<004801ccc275$a5cbc9a0$f1635ce0$@net>
Message-ID: <000c01ccc293$83bd8b00$8b38a100$@net>

Correction in CAPS:
I don't want to hear the BS that they couldn't fix it because it would BREAK
something.

Merry Christmas AccessD members !




From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Dec 25 05:24:40 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 12:24:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef71629.019@cactus.dk>

Hi William

We can't disagree on that. I work mostly with accounting systems and routines related to that where correct and predictable rounding is a high priority area.

The issue is that all the Cxx converter functions and Round too perform Banker's Rounding. This is not wrong, only different from what most people expect because very little is told about it. The Int and Fix functions work correctly too and also much more as people expect them to do. What is missing is a function that clearly and correctly performs a true 4/5 rounding as we learned in school, and very few expect the "secret" Format to be that only function which does that.

What messes up the picture further, is that Round is buggy as the test function from the link I posted shows.

/gustav


>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 24-12-2011 16:39 >>>
I disagree Gustav (and I don't like to disagree with you! Especially at
Christmas time :)

Any time you cannot guarantee a reliable result by your methods.... and are
not knowledgable or willing to inform your users under what conditions they
can expect results to be proper or improper...  that is wrong.
On Dec 24, 2011 10:31 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
>
> Well, that article is more about the normal precautions to take when
> dealing with floating point numbers more than rounding issues.
>
> It is with rounding as with many other tasks that many methods exist and
> no one is wrong. It all depends.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 23-12-2011 17:05 >>>
> Hi Mark, Gustav at all --
>
> > Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
> They didn't.
>
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
> Yes, the do.
>
>  Access 2010:
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html 
>
> or even earlier...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec 25 08:44:10 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 09:44:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
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Message-ID: <4EF736BA.1070505@colbyconsulting.com>

William,

What I am trying to do is have a shortcut open a program and keep it invisible.  That program copies 
a bunch of files, then opens a second program, whereupon the first program shuts down.

The shortcut properties invisible / minimized cause the first program to never appear.  The first 
program puts up a "working, be patient" splash screen while it is opening the second program.

Stuart's suggestion was to use the invisible / minimized properties of the shortcut to cause the 
first program to not ever even be visible, which is what I was after.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/24/2011 4:49 PM, William Benson wrote:
> I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
> vba?
>
> TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
> On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
>> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
>> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
>> and off we go.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 12:10:44 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 10:10:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
Message-ID: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
 
 
 

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 16:10:43 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:10:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 16:45:20 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 14:45:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65B284E7EE1C4E56B7897C75635B070C@HAL9007>

William:

*** In line.  Thanks

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
*** Yes

Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
*** No - back end

Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
*** Tried that but no - same behavior

Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?
*** YES!!! SO now the old binary search to find out which it the offending
module, I guess.

Merry Christmas.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec 25 16:50:06 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 08:50:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It sounds like it is going into a loop because you are trying to do another save during a save.

What happens if you  get rid of the OnDirty event and  change the  Save button event to:

If Me.Dirty Then Me.Dirty = False

-- 
Stuart


On 25 Dec 2011 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 17:24:21 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 15:24:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <F68642AB9CD74DB8A12F234735387FB0@HAL9007>

No luck there.  Actually it was behaving badly before I put the save and on
dirty events in.  Gotta start deleting code and see what fixes it.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

It sounds like it is going into a loop because you are trying to do another
save during a save.

What happens if you  get rid of the OnDirty event and  change the  Save
button event to:

If Me.Dirty Then Me.Dirty = False

--
Stuart


On 25 Dec 2011 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The
form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form
seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves
the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go
to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this
record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this
machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the
same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an
undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 17:42:04 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 18:42:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F68642AB9CD74DB8A12F234735387FB0@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>	<4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<F68642AB9CD74DB8A12F234735387FB0@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <004d01ccc35e$cf3d6070$6db82150$@gmail.com>

I think of all the questions I asked, only the one about VBA code was worth
worrying about. I had misread another post online which had to do with
back-end freezing (this seems more like a front end issue). Anyway, here was
what I read:

http://bytes.com/topic/access/answers/828312-access-back-end-sometimes-freez
es


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

No luck there.  Actually it was behaving badly before I put the save and on
dirty events in.  Gotta start deleting code and see what fixes it.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

It sounds like it is going into a loop because you are trying to do another
save during a save.

What happens if you  get rid of the OnDirty event and  change the  Save
button event to:

If Me.Dirty Then Me.Dirty = False

--
Stuart


On 25 Dec 2011 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The
form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form
seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves
the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go
to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this
record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this
machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the
same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an
undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 17:56:42 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 15:56:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>

Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 

Thanks for the lead.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 18:52:27 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 19:52:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
	<86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>

Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
below.

Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer)
If Dirty Then
  If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
vbYes Then
    Cancel = True
  Else
    TimeStamp= Now()
     LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
  End If
End If
End Sub


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 

Thanks for the lead.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec 25 19:02:03 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:02:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>,
	<86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>,
	<004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF7C78B.19649.39014499@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Define "best".

It depends on the needs of the  application and what your users are used to.

Generally, my users understand and like the fact that changes to a record are "autosaved".  
If I don't want that behaviour, I give them a read-only form - what's the point of changing data 
if you don't want the changes saved?

-- 
Stuart

On 25 Dec 2011 at 19:52, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
> save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
> button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
> forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
> bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
> rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
> below.
> 
> Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer)
> If Dirty Then
>   If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
> vbYes Then
>     Cancel = True
>   Else
>     TimeStamp= Now()
>      LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
>   End If
> End If
> End Sub
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
> 
> Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
> Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
> date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
> BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 
> 
> Thanks for the lead.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> (VBACreations.Com)
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
> 
> Rocky
> Is it a multiuser database?
> Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
> Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
> that table instead of the table itself?
> Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
> 
> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 19:06:12 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:06:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com><86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
	<004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FCFC4FAE992F43B79F9DF4AFB0320C53@HAL9007>

I've done it both ways.  I've put Save buttons on the bound form and trapped
it when they try to move to a new record with a message "The record has
changed since you last saved it.  Save it now?".  Then, if no, Me.Undo.

Kind of depends on the user.  And the nature of the data.

In this case the data is fairly static, they have an Undo button, and they
learn pretty quickly that changes are permanent unless they click the Undo.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 4:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
below.

Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer) If Dirty Then
  If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
vbYes Then
    Cancel = True
  Else
    TimeStamp= Now()
     LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
  End If
End If
End Sub


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 

Thanks for the lead.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 21:15:42 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 22:15:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <FCFC4FAE992F43B79F9DF4AFB0320C53@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
	<86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
	<004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
	<FCFC4FAE992F43B79F9DF4AFB0320C53@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5pCA2bo5N6ax2hMV-7squX6YqsaTnmK0zjswWrR4z6iw@mail.gmail.com>

I would take the approach to prompt that if they continue they will lose
unsaved changes. If they say cancel then they cancel the move, if they say
ok then do the me.undo.

I would never erase the users work just because they didn't want to save
unless they agreed they wanted to DISCARD.

Same way GMAIL will work with this email. If I press my BACK key I will be
asked if I want to discard these changes. If I say cancel I am back to my
edits.  GOOGLE is more concerned with the bigger risk... losing unsaved
changes... than performing my BACK command.
On Dec 25, 2011 8:07 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I've done it both ways.  I've put Save buttons on the bound form and
> trapped
> it when they try to move to a new record with a message "The record has
> changed since you last saved it.  Save it now?".  Then, if no, Me.Undo.
>
> Kind of depends on the user.  And the nature of the data.
>
> In this case the data is fairly static, they have an Undo button, and they
> learn pretty quickly that changes are permanent unless they click the Undo.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> (VBACreations.Com)
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 4:52 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
> save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
> button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
> forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
> bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
> rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
> below.
>
> Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer) If Dirty Then
>  If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
> vbYes Then
>    Cancel = True
>  Else
>    TimeStamp= Now()
>     LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
>  End If
> End If
> End Sub
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
> Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
> date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed
> to
> BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer).
>
> Thanks for the lead.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> (VBACreations.Com)
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Rocky
> Is it a multiuser database?
> Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
> Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields
> from
> that table instead of the table itself?
> Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form
> seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves
> the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go
> to
> design view.
>
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this
> record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the
> same
> results.
>
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an
> undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 08:54:16 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:54:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <24A6411E-585B-4848-86BB-415F617B3AD6@phulse.com>
References: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>
	<24A6411E-585B-4848-86BB-415F617B3AD6@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1grDrxc+BmifqS8wYk_=5DhqJ9jU+jwzvCNW7djUTuc-A@mail.gmail.com>

Merry Christmas, a tad late (I've been sick) and Happy New Year to all.

Arthur

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

>
> Glaedelig jul og godt tub'aar. ;)
>
> - Hans
>
>
>
> On 2011-12-24, at 7:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > On this evening - Merry Christmas to all after another year with a lot
> of learning experiences and input at this list (and its sister lists) which
> still stands out from all the other fora you and I join.
> > Thanks to all!
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 11:01:16 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:01:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF736BA.1070505@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
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	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF736BA.1070505@colbyconsulting.com>
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This thread would appear to me to be about a subject addressed by my good
friend Dejan Sunderic, in his books about SQL Server, which contained a
chapter about inheriting databases. At the time it was a very novel idea,
even though at that time I was well-acquainted with O-O software. Building
on Dejan's lead, I investigated remodeling the modeldb database, and
including a number of oft-used databases, and this has worked even better
than I expected.

In SQL Server, the core model is called modeldb. What I ended up doing was
creating several different versions of this db, with names such as
modeldb_OE (order entry), modeldb_COA (chart of accounts), etc. -- each
based on modeldb but adding the tables of interest, so that simply by
renaming a couple of dbs and then issuing a Create New I had a whole bunch
of the core tables (transactions and lookups) instantly installed and
populated and ready to go.

Perhaps not an ideal solution, but it has worked for me. When doing an
Access db, I do it manually, importing tables and forms and queries from
databases whose content is isolated (e.g. Geography.mdb,
CustomersAndOrders.mdb, COA.mdb), but the key to making this work
coherently is precisely named, consistent columns in all the dbs -- it is
always called CustomerID, OrderID, OrderDetailsID, ProductID, CategoryID,
SupplierID, etc., and that never changes; may not need all of them, but
it's all predefined in the inheritable databases and it's always
consistent; that's the big trick).

I haven't automated this, as JC wants his solution to work. If I'm
"inheriting" from one Access db, say "CustomersAndOrders", it's incumbent
upon me to remember to "inherit" all the tables and relevant queries and
forms, and occasionally, modules. But force of habit causes few mistakes,
and upon discovery of one, it's pretty easy to return and grab the missing
object.

Anyway, Happy New Year to everyone on this list!
Arthur

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:44 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> William,
>
> What I am trying to do is have a shortcut open a program and keep it
> invisible.  That program copies a bunch of files, then opens a second
> program, whereupon the first program shuts down.
>
> The shortcut properties invisible / minimized cause the first program to
> never appear.  The first program puts up a "working, be patient" splash
> screen while it is opening the second program.
>
> Stuart's suggestion was to use the invisible / minimized properties of the
> shortcut to cause the first program to not ever even be visible, which is
> what I was after.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/24/2011 4:49 PM, William Benson wrote:
>
>> I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
>> vba?
>>
>> TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
>> On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
>>> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
>>> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
>>> and off we go.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 27 11:22:47 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:22:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Merry Christmas AccessD Members !
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Art - lack of season greatings...

I think it's been a "Bah Humbug" Christmas for Access and Excel developers.




From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Dec 27 12:26:05 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 22:26:05 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Copy_and_execute_from_Access?=
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> Anyway, Happy New Year to everyone on this list!
Happy New Year Arthur and All!

-- Shamil


27 ??????? 2011, 21:02 ?? Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
> This thread would appear to me to be about a subject addressed by my good
> friend Dejan Sunderic, in his books about SQL Server, which contained a
> chapter about inheriting databases. At the time it was a very novel idea,
> even though at that time I was well-acquainted with O-O software. Building
> on Dejan's lead, I investigated remodeling the modeldb database, and
> including a number of oft-used databases, and this has worked even better
> than I expected.
> 
> In SQL Server, the core model is called modeldb. What I ended up doing was
> creating several different versions of this db, with names such as
> modeldb_OE (order entry), modeldb_COA (chart of accounts), etc. -- each
> based on modeldb but adding the tables of interest, so that simply by
> renaming a couple of dbs and then issuing a Create New I had a whole bunch
> of the core tables (transactions and lookups) instantly installed and
> populated and ready to go.
> 
> Perhaps not an ideal solution, but it has worked for me. When doing an
> Access db, I do it manually, importing tables and forms and queries from
> databases whose content is isolated (e.g. Geography.mdb,
> CustomersAndOrders.mdb, COA.mdb), but the key to making this work
> coherently is precisely named, consistent columns in all the dbs -- it is
> always called CustomerID, OrderID, OrderDetailsID, ProductID, CategoryID,
> SupplierID, etc., and that never changes; may not need all of them, but
> it's all predefined in the inheritable databases and it's always
> consistent; that's the big trick).
> 
> I haven't automated this, as JC wants his solution to work. If I'm
> "inheriting" from one Access db, say "CustomersAndOrders", it's incumbent
> upon me to remember to "inherit" all the tables and relevant queries and
> forms, and occasionally, modules. But force of habit causes few mistakes,
> and upon discovery of one, it's pretty easy to return and grab the missing
> object.
> 
> Anyway, Happy New Year to everyone on this list!
> Arthur
> 
<<< skipped >>>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 27 20:54:41 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:54:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EFA84F1.3090506@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
AfterUpdate.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Try this:
>
> Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
>      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> End Sub
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Dec 27 21:21:02 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:21:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EFA84F1.3090506@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4EFA84F1.3090506@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EFA8B1E.27502.43CD6174@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

.Value is the underlying "value" of the textbox.  It does not change during editing of the 
textbox. Only when the control loses focus.  It can be a string, a number or a Null.

.Text is the text string currently *displayed*  contents of the textbox, it changes as the content 
of the textbox is edited.  It is always a string.

Note that  because .Text is a string, even if the underlying data is a Null, .Text is not - it is an 
empty string (that's why the sample code tests for an empty string, not a null.)

-- 
Stuart


On 27 Dec 2011 at 21:54, jwcolby wrote:

> Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
> AfterUpdate.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > Try this:
> >
> > Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> >      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> > End Sub
> >
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 28 03:26:46 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:26:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
Message-ID: <sefaeefc.050@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

You may add that property Text is available only when the TextBox (or other type of control) has focus.

/gustav


>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 28-12-2011 04:21 >>>
.Value is the underlying "value" of the textbox.  It does not change during editing of the 
textbox. Only when the control loses focus.  It can be a string, a number or a Null.

.Text is the text string currently *displayed*  contents of the textbox, it changes as the content 
of the textbox is edited.  It is always a string.

Note that  because .Text is a string, even if the underlying data is a Null, .Text is not - it is an 
empty string (that's why the sample code tests for an empty string, not a null.)

-- 
Stuart


On 27 Dec 2011 at 21:54, jwcolby wrote:

> Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
> AfterUpdate.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > Try this:
> >
> > Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> >      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> > End Sub



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec 28 03:49:40 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:49:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <sefaeefc.050@cactus.dk>
References: <sefaeefc.050@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4EFAE634.18576.4531333B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Good point.

On 28 Dec 2011 at 10:26, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Stuart
> 
> You may add that property Text is available only when the TextBox (or other type of control) has focus.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 28-12-2011 04:21 >>>
> .Value is the underlying "value" of the textbox.  It does not change during editing of the 
> textbox. Only when the control loses focus.  It can be a string, a number or a Null.
> 
> .Text is the text string currently *displayed*  contents of the textbox, it changes as the content 
> of the textbox is edited.  It is always a string.
> 
> Note that  because .Text is a string, even if the underlying data is a Null, .Text is not - it is an 
> empty string (that's why the sample code tests for an empty string, not a null.)
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 27 Dec 2011 at 21:54, jwcolby wrote:
> 
> > Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
> > AfterUpdate.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > 
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> > 
> > On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > > Try this:
> > >
> > > Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> > >      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> > > End Sub
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 28 08:50:15 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:50:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ya just gotta love it
Message-ID: <4EFB2CA7.9080704@colbyconsulting.com>

On my workstation at the client I have Access2K and AccessXP (2002) installed.  Access 2002 is the 
one that opens if I just double click a database.

I have written this CopyAndRun application for copying the FE and libs to the user's workstation and 
opening it.  C&R uses office automation to open the file just copied.

This is the code which actually opens the application just copied.

Sub OpenApp(strFEToOpen As String)
Dim appAccess As Access.Application
     ' Create new instance of Microsoft Access.
     Set appAccess = CreateObject("Access.Application")
     ' Open database in Microsoft Access window.
     appAccess.OpenCurrentDatabase strFEToOpen
End Sub

One of the users has Access2K SP1 installed, and when he uses C&R it does in fact open the target 
app but it is hidden, i.e. there is an Access process in Task Manager Processes but Access is not 
listed in Applications.

So I try testing it with my system.  I use a shortcut to Access 2K (which has SP3) to directly open 
C&R.  I then click a test button which opens the target app.  When it opens it is running under 
Access 2002.  IOW even though the code above is running in Access 2K once the dust settles the 
target is running in Access XP.

Not ideal for testing eh?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 28 09:07:08 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:07:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Setting the program default application
Message-ID: <4EFB309C.7070908@colbyconsulting.com>

I thought that you could right click on an access database file, then Open with / Choose Program / 
Always use the selected program / browse / then find the program to use and select that and it would 
permanently modify the double click program used to open that file type.

That is not happening, in fact even as I select Access2K and do the open it immediately uses 
AccessXP to perform the open.

WTHO?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 10:13:39 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:13:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
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References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<00a101ccbf6d$04a75f40$0df61dc0$@net>
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Thanks for the suggestion on how to write a better query. The extra records were caused by there being 11 records for each gas meter in the table GA_Details. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem

Dunno...the Where clause was not being utilized properly for one thing.
This will run much more efficiently....
I couldn't really pin-point the problem though.

SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
       scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
       [Volume] * 1000      AS Mcf,
       Sum([Volume]) * 1000 AS McfTest
FROM   (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
         INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master
           ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID =
scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
        INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
                    INNER JOIN (GA_Header
                                INNER JOIN GA_Details
                                  ON GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER)
                      ON ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date =
GA_Header.Sample_Date )
                         AND ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER =
GA_Header.METER ))
          ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
       INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes
       ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
WHERE  (GA_Details.UNIT = "PCT" ) AND ([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID )
= 362915) AND
       ( scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate  = #12 / 1 / 2011 # )

GROUP  BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
          scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
          [Volume] * 1000
ORDER  BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
>
> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf,
> Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID
> = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date)
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER))
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname
> = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915)
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
>
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
>
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
>
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as
> done by Access.
>
> Any thoughts appreciated.
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
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> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 10:24:49 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:24:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What might I be doing wrong?

Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 

Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
RecordDate	Gas Plant	Wagner	Cogdell
1/31/2011	35400		2834	
2/28/2011	25900		2400	
3/31/2011	33452		2500	
4/30/2011	46503		2891	
5/31/2011	24402		3746	
6/30/2011	15324		3557	
7/31/2011	14154		3765	
8/31/2011	25074		3715	
9/30/2011	24041		3456	
10/31/2011	24725		3593	
11/30/2011	25000		3468	

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

?
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1325093834.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1325093834.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1325093835.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1325093835.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.4.1325093835.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1325093835.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.6.1325093835.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.7.1325093835.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

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Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
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Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

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From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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Custom Formats

Custom number formats can have one to four sections with 
semicolons (;) as the list separator. Each section contains the 
format specification for a different type of number.

Section	Description
First	The format for positive numbers.
Second	The format for negative numbers.
Third	The format for zero values.
Fourth	The format for Null values.
For example, you could use the following custom Currency 
format:

$#,##0.00[Green];($#,##0.00)[Red];"Zero";"Null"

This number format contains four sections separated by 
semicolons and uses a different format for each section.
If you use multiple sections but don't specify a format for each 
section, entries for which there is no format either will display 
nothing or will default to the formatting of the first section.

HTH,
Stephen

> I have a report that displays monetary fields with a 'Standard'
> format, 2 decimal places.
> 
> Currently it is showing negative numbers as -1,234.00
> 
> How can I make this display (1,234.00)?
> 
> I know this can be done if the field is formatted as Currency, but
> the client doesn't want to see the dollar sign.
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc
> 
> 




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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
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Custom Formats

Custom number formats can have one to four sections with 
semicolons (;) as the list separator. Each section contains the 
format specification for a different type of number.

Section	Description
First	The format for positive numbers.
Second	The format for negative numbers.
Third	The format for zero values.
Fourth	The format for Null values.
For example, you could use the following custom Currency 
format:

$#,##0.00[Green];($#,##0.00)[Red];"Zero";"Null"

This number format contains four sections separated by 
semicolons and uses a different format for each section.
If you use multiple sections but don't specify a format for each 
section, entries for which there is no format either will display 
nothing or will default to the formatting of the first section.

HTH,
Stephen

> I have a report that displays monetary fields with a 'Standard'
> format, 2 decimal places.
> 
> Currently it is showing negative numbers as -1,234.00
> 
> How can I make this display (1,234.00)?
> 
> I know this can be done if the field is formatted as Currency, but
> the client doesn't want to see the dollar sign.
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc
> 
> 


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power I was giving my users, and make a conscious effort to prevent them
from doing things they were not authorized to do.

Cascade delete is a tool that has little or no justifiable use in the hands
of the end user.  There are simply too many scenarios where people that have
no business or understanding of the consequences, end up with the ability to
delete stuff.  Like your example, most of us use(d) it because we didn't
think about it.

There are ways around enabling it.  Queries can be built that will delete
the data. Objects can be set up that allow qualified users (supervisors) to
delete things when necessary.  And of course that is a lot of work.

Cascade delete is "free".  It's only cost is disaster in the wrong hands.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:07 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cascade-delete (was: Estimating Help)


I come a bit late to this thread (but that's not new for me).  I've tried to
follow it but it ain't always been easy.  I am using cascade delete in an
app for a client who rents audio visual equipment and am wondering if this
is good design runs afoul of anybody's catechism on the subject:

The Rental Agreement header has one to many relationship with several table
:
     Equipment to be rented (with one-to-one with a CheckIn/CheckOut table)
     Items sold at retail
     Labor
     Sub-Rental Header (with its own detail records

might be more - I forget.  So in order to delete a rental agreement (which
they want to do from time to time) either they have to go in and delete all
the detail records first, or I give them cascade delete.  They opted for
cascade delete.

I do give them a very clear warning message about what's going to be deleted
and have them confirm.

What say you all to this?

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

P.S. I though everybody was used to Colby's rhetorical style by this time.
He's been quite - well relatively - civil on this subject. Try him on the
phrases 'unbound form' and 'natural key'.  From a distance, of course. :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cascade-delete (was: Estimating Help)


> Aww grow up guys.
>
> I never said never.  I stated very plainly that if everyone has the right
to
> delete the records then it doesn't matter.  John then states (finally, in
> the last email) that this is the case.  So it doesn't matter (in this
case).
>
> So where exactly is the beef?
>
> I don't give a rat's patuty if you turn on cascade delete for every table,
> every time, in every database.  To search around struggling to find
exactly
> the instance where it is useful is a waste of everyone's time.  If it
works
> for you, and you don't get fired when records disappear who really cares.
> In any event, you can always blame the user after all.  "Hey, I warned
> them".
>
> In any case, I certainly don't care, it isn't my database, nor my job on
the
> line.  And I am not getting my users fired for not doing my job correctly.
>
> Sorry if that was "derisive" but really, look at what I said.  I was very
> very VERY clear in my statements.  And I see no reason to modify any of
> them.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>


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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
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the Access 2000 Developer?s Handbook Volume 2, I
gather that the answer is that record locking is a
function of the database. So since an ADP bypasses Jet
and goes straight through SQL Server OLE DB then it is
true record level locking when accessing the data
through a form within an ADP. So record locking when
accessing data within a MDB via another MDB is page
locking because of Jet (although I know Access 2000
and greater does allow for record locking if told to).


****Quick question on this then, if an MDB use linked
ODBC tables to access data within a SQL database is
page locking employed because it passes through Jet?

I think my confusion on record locking employed when
using an ADP was actually a result of what I was
reading in the Access 2000 Developer?s Handbook Volume
2. It covers a great deal of Client Server development
using MS Access in chapter 3. But what it doesn?t seem
to mention much about in the client server chapter is
ADP?s and how they differ from an MDB (there is some
there but not a lot). Later in the book it provides a
lot of information on ADP?s but it never really comes
out and says some of what I was looking for. It does
come out and say Optimistic locking but I didn?t get a
clear picture that it was saying true record locking.
I guess I was reading too much into it. 

If I?m mistaken please let me know but a bound form
within an ADP to a SQL2000 database will employ true
Optimistic record locking only on the current record.
So in a data entry only environment (where no one
works on the same records) there should not be much in
the manner of record locking?

To everyone who took the time to comment on this I
appreciate your assistance immensely. Thank you very
much.

Bob


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Where DateAssigned In
(Select Top 1 DateAssigned

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Where TerritoryID=T1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned<=[What Report Date would
you like to use?]
Order By DateAssigned DESC);
 
Good luck,
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Goetz [mailto:EricGoetz at egisystems.com]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] select most recent



Hi Gustav,

 

Thank you for taking up my question. That comes tantalizingly close. The
trouble is that with the [ManagerID] in the GROUP BY, I end up with most of
the managers that have been assigned to the territory prior to [DateSelect]
instead of just the most recent one. If a manager had been in the territory
more than once, only the most recent assignment is returned. So I do get
some filtering.

 

My sample data looks like this:

 

ManagerID  Territory ID  DateAssigned

1                  1                11/1/2002

2                  1                12/1/2002

1                  1                  1/1/2003

3                  2                  1/1/2003

4                  2                  2/1/2003

 

For a report as of 1/31/2003, I am trying to get:

 

ManagerID  Territory ID  DateAssigned

1                  1                  1/1/2003

3                  2                  1/1/2003

 

I use this:

<SQL>

SELECT 

  tblManagerAssignments.TerritoryID, 

  tblManagerAssignments.MangerID, 

  Max(tblManagerAssignments.DateAssigned) AS MaxOfDateAssigned

FROM tblManagerAssignments

WHERE (((tblManagerAssignments.DateAssigned)<=#1/31/2003#))

GROUP BY 

  tblManagerAssignments.TerritoryID, 

  tblManagerAssignments.MangerID;

</SQL>

 

I end up with this:

 

ManagerID  Territory ID  DateAssigned

2                  1                12/1/2002

1                  1                  1/1/2003

3                  2                  1/1/2003

 

I could add a [DateCancelled] field, but I just don't feel right about a
design that incorporates NULL fields. Maybe I could calculate the
[DateCancelled] field. Got any more ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Eric

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 2:16 AM
To: Eric Goetz
Subject: Re: [AccessD] select most recent

 

Hi Eric 

That could be something like: 

<SQL> 

PARAMETERS 
  DateSelect DateTime; 
SELECT 
  TerritoryID, 
  ManagerID, 
  Max(DateAssigned) AS DateAssigned 
FROM 
  tblManagerAssignments 
WHERE 
  (DateAssigned <= [DateSelect]) 
GROUP BY 
  TerritoryID, 
  ManagerID; 

</SQL> 

This, of course, assumes that a territory is assigned to a specific 
manager until assigned to another. If assignment can be cancelled 
without reassignment, you'll need to add a new field, DateCancelled, 
and add to the Where statement: 

  AND 
  (DateCancelled Is Null OR DateCancelled > [DateSelect]) 

If you wish to list territories not assigned a manager, create a query 
with all territories and an outer join to the query above; those not 
assigned will have a Null for ManagerID. Vice versa for managers 
without a territory. 

Please note that ManagerID and TerritoryID will both be foreign keys. 
And, as you note later, strip the name fields etc. from this table. 


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<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Okay, 
I built tblTest.&nbsp; It has ManagerID, TerritoryID and DateAssigned as you 
have below.&nbsp; Then I used this SQL statement to produce the results you 
want:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Select 
ManagerID, TerritoryID, DateAssigned<BR>From tblTest As T1<BR>Where DateAssigned 
In<BR>(Select Top 1 DateAssigned<BR>From tblTest<BR>Where 
TerritoryID=T1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned&lt;=[What Report Date would you like 
to use?]<BR>Order By DateAssigned DESC);</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Good 
luck,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Drew</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eric Goetz 
  [mailto:EricGoetz at egisystems.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 17, 2003 
  10:00 PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd at databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: 
  [AccessD] select most recent<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=Section1>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><!-- Converted from text/plain format -->Hi 
  Gustav,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thank you for taking 
  up my question. That comes tantalizingly close. The trouble is that with the 
  [ManagerID] in the GROUP BY, I end up with most of the managers that have been 
  assigned to the territory prior to [DateSelect] instead of just the most 
  recent one. If a manager had been in the territory more than once, only the 
  most recent assignment is returned. So I do get some 
  filtering.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My sample data looks 
  like this:</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ManagerID</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Territory</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> ID&nbsp; 
  DateAssigned</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  11/1/2002</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  12/1/2002</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;2/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For a report as of 
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1/31/2003</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, I am trying to 
  get:</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ManagerID</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Territory</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> ID&nbsp; 
  DateAssigned</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I use 
  this:</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&lt;SQL&gt;</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">SELECT 
  </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  tblManagerAssignments.TerritoryID, </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  tblManagerAssignments.MangerID, </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  Max(tblManagerAssignments.DateAssigned) AS MaxOfDateAssigned</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">FROM 
  tblManagerAssignments</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">WHERE 
  (((tblManagerAssignments.DateAssigned)&lt;=#1/31/2003#))</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">GROUP BY 
  </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  tblManagerAssignments.TerritoryID, </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  tblManagerAssignments.MangerID;</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&lt;/SQL&gt;</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I end up with 
  this:</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ManagerID</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Territory</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> ID&nbsp; 
  DateAssigned</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  12/1/2002</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I could add a 
  [DateCancelled] field, but I just don't feel right about a design that 
  incorporates NULL fields. Maybe I could calculate the [DateCancelled] field. 
  Got any more ideas?</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Eric</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original 
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Gustav 
  Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] <BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Monday, February 17, 
  2003</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">2:16 
  AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Eric Goetz<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [AccessD] select most 
  recent</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Eric</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">That could be something like:</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&lt;SQL&gt;</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">PARAMETERS</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; DateSelect DateTime;</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">SELECT</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; TerritoryID,</SPAN></FONT> 
  <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; ManagerID,</SPAN></FONT> 
  <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; Max(DateAssigned) AS 
  DateAssigned</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">FROM</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; tblManagerAssignments</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">WHERE</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; (DateAssigned &lt;= 
  [DateSelect])</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">GROUP BY </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; TerritoryID,</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; ManagerID;</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&lt;/SQL&gt;</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This, of course, assumes that a territory is assigned 
  to a specific</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">manager until assigned to another. If assignment can 
  be cancelled</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">without reassignment, you'll need to add a new field, 
  DateCancelled,</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">and add to the Where statement:</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; AND</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; (DateCancelled Is Null OR DateCancelled &gt; 
  [DateSelect])</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">If you wish to list territories not assigned a 
  manager, create a query</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">with all territories and an outer join to the query 
  above; those not</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">assigned will have a Null for ManagerID. Vice versa 
  for managers</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">without a territory.</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Please note that ManagerID and TerritoryID will both 
  be foreign keys.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">And, as you note later, strip the name fields etc. 
  from this table.</SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Where DateAssigned In
(Select Top 1 DateAssigned

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Where TerritoryID=3DT1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned<=3D[What Report Date
would you like to use?]
Order By DateAssigned DESC);

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Wow! It&#8217;s like magic. I would =
never
have come up with this, especially the part =
&#8220;TerritoryID=3DT1.TerritoryID&#8221;.
I still don&#8217;t really understand how it works. I&#8217;ve looked =
through
all my books, but it seems my library needs another book (to the =
astonishment
of my wife!) Will you please suggest a book that explains this type of =
query?</span></font></p>

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Drew Wutka
[mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Monday,
 February 17, 2003</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font
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size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [AccessD] =
select most
recent</span></font></p>

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color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Okay, I built
tblTest.&nbsp; It has ManagerID, TerritoryID and DateAssigned as you =
have
below.&nbsp; Then I used this SQL statement to produce the results you =
want:</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Select =
ManagerID,
TerritoryID, DateAssigned<br>

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Where DateAssigned In<br>
(Select Top 1 DateAssigned<br>

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Where TerritoryID=3DT1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned&lt;=3D[What Report =
Date would
you like to use?]<br>
Order By DateAssigned DESC);</span></font></p>

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Where DateAssigned In
(Select Top 1 DateAssigned

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Where TerritoryID=T1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned<=[What Report Date would
you like to use?]
Order By DateAssigned DESC);

 

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<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Quite 
frankly I haven't touched a book about Access or even remotely computer related 
since I started using Access.&nbsp; I had a 'basic' Access book, that I used to 
figure out where to start looking in the help files, and from then on....no more 
books.&nbsp; (With one exception.&nbsp; I did check out a book on C++ this past 
summer from the library....so that's 1 book (about computer stuff) in almost 5 
years.).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It's 
not like I learn by magic, my resources are 'Trial and Error' (probably the 
biggest chunk...hehehehe), Access 97 help files (next in line), the MSDN (The 
version I have is what came with Access 2000 Developer's edition...3 CD's, 
plenty of stuff), then a lot of online resources, like the List, The Access Web 
(<A href="http://mvps.org/Access">http://mvps.org/Access</A>), 
comp.databases.ms-access (though that has gone down hill a bit lately), and 
lately Woody's lounge.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Lately 
I have been doing more 'contributing' then asking, but I learn just as much as I 
contribute from just reading other posts.&nbsp; For example, the proposed 
solution I gave you is something I have never done in any of my own 
projects.&nbsp; It just so happens that I had a post on a similar issue on 
Woody's lounge, that i solved using the subquery method...which is something I 
just remember reading about somewhere (can't remember where to be truthful), so 
I looked it up in Access 97's help files, and whalla.&nbsp; Right after I posted 
to the lounge, I read your last post, so I posted a modified version for 
you.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I am 
not recommending that you forsake 'book knowledge', I just can't give you any 
good titles.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Drew</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eric Goetz 
  [mailto:EricGoetz at egisystems.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 18, 2003 
  12:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd at databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: 
  [AccessD] select most recent<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=Section1>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi 
  Drew,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wow! It's like magic. 
  I would never have come up with this, especially the part 
  "TerritoryID=T1.TerritoryID". I still don't really understand how it works. 
  I've looked through all my books, but it seems my library needs another book 
  (to the astonishment of my wife!) Will you please suggest a book that explains 
  this type of query?</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Eric</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original 
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Drew Wutka 
  [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] <BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Monday, February 17, 
  2003</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">9:33 
  PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 
  'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [AccessD] select most 
  recent</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Okay, I 
  built tblTest.&nbsp; It has ManagerID, TerritoryID and DateAssigned as you 
  have below.&nbsp; Then I used this SQL statement to produce the results you 
  want:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Select 
  ManagerID, TerritoryID, DateAssigned<BR>From tblTest As T1<BR>Where 
  DateAssigned In<BR>(Select Top 1 DateAssigned<BR>From tblTest<BR>Where 
  TerritoryID=T1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned&lt;=[What Report Date would you 
  like to use?]<BR>Order By DateAssigned DESC);</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Good 
  luck,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Drew</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">
    <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
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that resets it to True in your error handler.

/gustav



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that resets it to True in your error handler.

/gustav

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that resets it to True in your error handler.

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resets it to True in your error handler.

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resets it to True in your error handler.

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surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.32.1325093866.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.33.1325093866.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.34.1325093866.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.35.1325093866.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.36.1325093866.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk






From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.37.1325093866.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.38.1325093866.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.39.1325093866.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.40.1325093866.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
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surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and<br>
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.<br>
<br>
<br>
He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.<br>
<br>
<br>
The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry<br>
them in hot grease.<br>
<br>
<br>
Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the<br>
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left<br>
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at<br>
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.<br>
<br>
<br>
The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.<br>
on a Dr Pepper can.<br>
<br>
<br>
John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had<br>
also never met.<br>
<br>
<br>
The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of<br>
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.<br>
<br>
<br>
The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.<br>
<br>
<br>
He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East<br>
River.<br>
<br>
<br>
Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one<br>
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.<br>
<br>
<br>
The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this<br>
plan just might work.<br>
<br>
<br>
The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating<br>
for a while.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell<br>
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.<br>
<br>
<br>
She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just<br>
before it throws up.<br>
<br>
<br>
It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever<br>
seen before.<br>
<br>
<br>
The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg<br>
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.<br>
<br>
<br>
It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with<br>
power tools.<br>
<br>
<br>
She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.<br>
<br>
<br>
She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was<br>
room-temperature beef.<br>
<br>
<br>
She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.<br>
<br>
<br>
It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to<br>
the wall.<br>
<br>
<br>
Andy Lacey<br>
<a href="bkmknew.asp?SysID=6&ReturnURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2%2Emagicaldesk%2Ecom%2Ffacelift2%2E5%2Fmsgin%2Easp%3FRecID%3D53931511%26FolderID%3D999999%26ReturnURL%3Dmsgin%252Easp%253FFolderID%253D999999%2526SortBy%253DSentDateUp&Name=http://www.minstersystems.co.uk&URL=http://www.minstersystems.co.uk"><img src="Images/bkmark2.gif" border=0 alt='Click to bookmark this address'></a> <a href=http://www.minstersystems.co.uk target=>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk</a><br>
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<br>
<br>
His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like<br>
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.<br>
<br>
<br>
He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy<br>
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those<br>
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at<br>
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one<br>
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.<br>
<br>
<br>
The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling<br>
ball wouldn't.<br>
<br>
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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.42.1325093867.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and<br>
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.<br>
<br>
<br>
He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.<br>
<br>
<br>
The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry<br>
them in hot grease.<br>
<br>
<br>
Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the<br>
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left<br>
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at<br>
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.<br>
<br>
<br>
The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.<br>
on a Dr Pepper can.<br>
<br>
<br>
John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had<br>
also never met.<br>
<br>
<br>
The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of<br>
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.<br>
<br>
<br>
The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.<br>
<br>
<br>
He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East<br>
River.<br>
<br>
<br>
Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one<br>
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.<br>
<br>
<br>
The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this<br>
plan just might work.<br>
<br>
<br>
The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating<br>
for a while.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell<br>
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.<br>
<br>
<br>
She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just<br>
before it throws up.<br>
<br>
<br>
It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever<br>
seen before.<br>
<br>
<br>
The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg<br>
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.<br>
<br>
<br>
It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with<br>
power tools.<br>
<br>
<br>
She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.<br>
<br>
<br>
She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was<br>
room-temperature beef.<br>
<br>
<br>
She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.<br>
<br>
<br>
It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to<br>
the wall.<br>
<br>
<br>
Andy Lacey<br>
<a href="bkmknew.asp?SysID=6&ReturnURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2%2Emagicaldesk%2Ecom%2Ffacelift2%2E5%2Fmsgin%2Easp%3FRecID%3D53931511%26FolderID%3D999999%26ReturnURL%3Dmsgin%252Easp%253FFolderID%253D999999%2526SortBy%253DSentDateUp&Name=http://www.minstersystems.co.uk&URL=http://www.minstersystems.co.uk"><img src="Images/bkmark2.gif" border=0 alt='Click to bookmark this address'></a> <a href=http://www.minstersystems.co.uk target=>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk</a><br>
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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
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surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
Click to bookmark this address http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:37:14 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:37:14 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.44.1325093868.26561.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
Click to bookmark this address http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1325093883.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1325093883.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1325093884.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1325093884.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.4.1325093884.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1325093884.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.6.1325093884.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.7.1325093884.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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_______________________________________________
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.8.1325093885.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.9.1325093885.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.10.1325093886.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.11.1325093886.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
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_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.12.1325093889.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Custom Formats

Custom number formats can have one to four sections with 
semicolons (;) as the list separator. Each section contains the 
format specification for a different type of number.

Section	Description
First	The format for positive numbers.
Second	The format for negative numbers.
Third	The format for zero values.
Fourth	The format for Null values.
For example, you could use the following custom Currency 
format:

$#,##0.00[Green];($#,##0.00)[Red];"Zero";"Null"

This number format contains four sections separated by 
semicolons and uses a different format for each section.
If you use multiple sections but don't specify a format for each 
section, entries for which there is no format either will display 
nothing or will default to the formatting of the first section.

HTH,
Stephen

> I have a report that displays monetary fields with a 'Standard'
> format, 2 decimal places.
> 
> Currently it is showing negative numbers as -1,234.00
> 
> How can I make this display (1,234.00)?
> 
> I know this can be done if the field is formatted as Currency, but
> the client doesn't want to see the dollar sign.
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc
> 
> 




From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.13.1325093889.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Custom Formats

Custom number formats can have one to four sections with 
semicolons (;) as the list separator. Each section contains the 
format specification for a different type of number.

Section	Description
First	The format for positive numbers.
Second	The format for negative numbers.
Third	The format for zero values.
Fourth	The format for Null values.
For example, you could use the following custom Currency 
format:

$#,##0.00[Green];($#,##0.00)[Red];"Zero";"Null"

This number format contains four sections separated by 
semicolons and uses a different format for each section.
If you use multiple sections but don't specify a format for each 
section, entries for which there is no format either will display 
nothing or will default to the formatting of the first section.

HTH,
Stephen

> I have a report that displays monetary fields with a 'Standard'
> format, 2 decimal places.
> 
> Currently it is showing negative numbers as -1,234.00
> 
> How can I make this display (1,234.00)?
> 
> I know this can be done if the field is formatted as Currency, but
> the client doesn't want to see the dollar sign.
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc
> 
> 


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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
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power I was giving my users, and make a conscious effort to prevent them
from doing things they were not authorized to do.

Cascade delete is a tool that has little or no justifiable use in the hands
of the end user.  There are simply too many scenarios where people that have
no business or understanding of the consequences, end up with the ability to
delete stuff.  Like your example, most of us use(d) it because we didn't
think about it.

There are ways around enabling it.  Queries can be built that will delete
the data. Objects can be set up that allow qualified users (supervisors) to
delete things when necessary.  And of course that is a lot of work.

Cascade delete is "free".  It's only cost is disaster in the wrong hands.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:07 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cascade-delete (was: Estimating Help)


I come a bit late to this thread (but that's not new for me).  I've tried to
follow it but it ain't always been easy.  I am using cascade delete in an
app for a client who rents audio visual equipment and am wondering if this
is good design runs afoul of anybody's catechism on the subject:

The Rental Agreement header has one to many relationship with several table
:
     Equipment to be rented (with one-to-one with a CheckIn/CheckOut table)
     Items sold at retail
     Labor
     Sub-Rental Header (with its own detail records

might be more - I forget.  So in order to delete a rental agreement (which
they want to do from time to time) either they have to go in and delete all
the detail records first, or I give them cascade delete.  They opted for
cascade delete.

I do give them a very clear warning message about what's going to be deleted
and have them confirm.

What say you all to this?

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

P.S. I though everybody was used to Colby's rhetorical style by this time.
He's been quite - well relatively - civil on this subject. Try him on the
phrases 'unbound form' and 'natural key'.  From a distance, of course. :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cascade-delete (was: Estimating Help)


> Aww grow up guys.
>
> I never said never.  I stated very plainly that if everyone has the right
to
> delete the records then it doesn't matter.  John then states (finally, in
> the last email) that this is the case.  So it doesn't matter (in this
case).
>
> So where exactly is the beef?
>
> I don't give a rat's patuty if you turn on cascade delete for every table,
> every time, in every database.  To search around struggling to find
exactly
> the instance where it is useful is a waste of everyone's time.  If it
works
> for you, and you don't get fired when records disappear who really cares.
> In any event, you can always blame the user after all.  "Hey, I warned
> them".
>
> In any case, I certainly don't care, it isn't my database, nor my job on
the
> line.  And I am not getting my users fired for not doing my job correctly.
>
> Sorry if that was "derisive" but really, look at what I said.  I was very
> very VERY clear in my statements.  And I see no reason to modify any of
> them.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>


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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.15.1325093905.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

the Access 2000 Developer?s Handbook Volume 2, I
gather that the answer is that record locking is a
function of the database. So since an ADP bypasses Jet
and goes straight through SQL Server OLE DB then it is
true record level locking when accessing the data
through a form within an ADP. So record locking when
accessing data within a MDB via another MDB is page
locking because of Jet (although I know Access 2000
and greater does allow for record locking if told to).


****Quick question on this then, if an MDB use linked
ODBC tables to access data within a SQL database is
page locking employed because it passes through Jet?

I think my confusion on record locking employed when
using an ADP was actually a result of what I was
reading in the Access 2000 Developer?s Handbook Volume
2. It covers a great deal of Client Server development
using MS Access in chapter 3. But what it doesn?t seem
to mention much about in the client server chapter is
ADP?s and how they differ from an MDB (there is some
there but not a lot). Later in the book it provides a
lot of information on ADP?s but it never really comes
out and says some of what I was looking for. It does
come out and say Optimistic locking but I didn?t get a
clear picture that it was saying true record locking.
I guess I was reading too much into it. 

If I?m mistaken please let me know but a bound form
within an ADP to a SQL2000 database will employ true
Optimistic record locking only on the current record.
So in a data entry only environment (where no one
works on the same records) there should not be much in
the manner of record locking?

To everyone who took the time to comment on this I
appreciate your assistance immensely. Thank you very
much.

Bob


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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
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Where DateAssigned In
(Select Top 1 DateAssigned

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
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Where TerritoryID=T1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned<=[What Report Date would
you like to use?]
Order By DateAssigned DESC);
 
Good luck,
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Goetz [mailto:EricGoetz at egisystems.com]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] select most recent



Hi Gustav,

 

Thank you for taking up my question. That comes tantalizingly close. The
trouble is that with the [ManagerID] in the GROUP BY, I end up with most of
the managers that have been assigned to the territory prior to [DateSelect]
instead of just the most recent one. If a manager had been in the territory
more than once, only the most recent assignment is returned. So I do get
some filtering.

 

My sample data looks like this:

 

ManagerID  Territory ID  DateAssigned

1                  1                11/1/2002

2                  1                12/1/2002

1                  1                  1/1/2003

3                  2                  1/1/2003

4                  2                  2/1/2003

 

For a report as of 1/31/2003, I am trying to get:

 

ManagerID  Territory ID  DateAssigned

1                  1                  1/1/2003

3                  2                  1/1/2003

 

I use this:

<SQL>

SELECT 

  tblManagerAssignments.TerritoryID, 

  tblManagerAssignments.MangerID, 

  Max(tblManagerAssignments.DateAssigned) AS MaxOfDateAssigned

FROM tblManagerAssignments

WHERE (((tblManagerAssignments.DateAssigned)<=#1/31/2003#))

GROUP BY 

  tblManagerAssignments.TerritoryID, 

  tblManagerAssignments.MangerID;

</SQL>

 

I end up with this:

 

ManagerID  Territory ID  DateAssigned

2                  1                12/1/2002

1                  1                  1/1/2003

3                  2                  1/1/2003

 

I could add a [DateCancelled] field, but I just don't feel right about a
design that incorporates NULL fields. Maybe I could calculate the
[DateCancelled] field. Got any more ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Eric

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 2:16 AM
To: Eric Goetz
Subject: Re: [AccessD] select most recent

 

Hi Eric 

That could be something like: 

<SQL> 

PARAMETERS 
  DateSelect DateTime; 
SELECT 
  TerritoryID, 
  ManagerID, 
  Max(DateAssigned) AS DateAssigned 
FROM 
  tblManagerAssignments 
WHERE 
  (DateAssigned <= [DateSelect]) 
GROUP BY 
  TerritoryID, 
  ManagerID; 

</SQL> 

This, of course, assumes that a territory is assigned to a specific 
manager until assigned to another. If assignment can be cancelled 
without reassignment, you'll need to add a new field, DateCancelled, 
and add to the Where statement: 

  AND 
  (DateCancelled Is Null OR DateCancelled > [DateSelect]) 

If you wish to list territories not assigned a manager, create a query 
with all territories and an outer join to the query above; those not 
assigned will have a Null for ManagerID. Vice versa for managers 
without a territory. 

Please note that ManagerID and TerritoryID will both be foreign keys. 
And, as you note later, strip the name fields etc. from this table. 


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<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Okay, 
I built tblTest.&nbsp; It has ManagerID, TerritoryID and DateAssigned as you 
have below.&nbsp; Then I used this SQL statement to produce the results you 
want:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Select 
ManagerID, TerritoryID, DateAssigned<BR>From tblTest As T1<BR>Where DateAssigned 
In<BR>(Select Top 1 DateAssigned<BR>From tblTest<BR>Where 
TerritoryID=T1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned&lt;=[What Report Date would you like 
to use?]<BR>Order By DateAssigned DESC);</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Good 
luck,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Drew</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eric Goetz 
  [mailto:EricGoetz at egisystems.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 17, 2003 
  10:00 PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd at databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: 
  [AccessD] select most recent<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=Section1>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><!-- Converted from text/plain format -->Hi 
  Gustav,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thank you for taking 
  up my question. That comes tantalizingly close. The trouble is that with the 
  [ManagerID] in the GROUP BY, I end up with most of the managers that have been 
  assigned to the territory prior to [DateSelect] instead of just the most 
  recent one. If a manager had been in the territory more than once, only the 
  most recent assignment is returned. So I do get some 
  filtering.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My sample data looks 
  like this:</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ManagerID</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Territory</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> ID&nbsp; 
  DateAssigned</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  11/1/2002</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  12/1/2002</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;2/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For a report as of 
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1/31/2003</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, I am trying to 
  get:</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ManagerID</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Territory</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> ID&nbsp; 
  DateAssigned</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I use 
  this:</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&lt;SQL&gt;</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">SELECT 
  </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  tblManagerAssignments.TerritoryID, </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  tblManagerAssignments.MangerID, </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  Max(tblManagerAssignments.DateAssigned) AS MaxOfDateAssigned</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">FROM 
  tblManagerAssignments</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">WHERE 
  (((tblManagerAssignments.DateAssigned)&lt;=#1/31/2003#))</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">GROUP BY 
  </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  tblManagerAssignments.TerritoryID, </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  tblManagerAssignments.MangerID;</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&lt;/SQL&gt;</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I end up with 
  this:</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ManagerID</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Territory</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> ID&nbsp; 
  DateAssigned</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  12/1/2002</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I could add a 
  [DateCancelled] field, but I just don't feel right about a design that 
  incorporates NULL fields. Maybe I could calculate the [DateCancelled] field. 
  Got any more ideas?</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Eric</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original 
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Gustav 
  Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] <BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Monday, February 17, 
  2003</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">2:16 
  AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Eric Goetz<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [AccessD] select most 
  recent</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Eric</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">That could be something like:</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&lt;SQL&gt;</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">PARAMETERS</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; DateSelect DateTime;</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">SELECT</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; TerritoryID,</SPAN></FONT> 
  <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; ManagerID,</SPAN></FONT> 
  <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; Max(DateAssigned) AS 
  DateAssigned</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">FROM</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; tblManagerAssignments</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">WHERE</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; (DateAssigned &lt;= 
  [DateSelect])</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">GROUP BY </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; TerritoryID,</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; ManagerID;</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&lt;/SQL&gt;</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This, of course, assumes that a territory is assigned 
  to a specific</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">manager until assigned to another. If assignment can 
  be cancelled</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">without reassignment, you'll need to add a new field, 
  DateCancelled,</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">and add to the Where statement:</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; AND</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; (DateCancelled Is Null OR DateCancelled &gt; 
  [DateSelect])</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">If you wish to list territories not assigned a 
  manager, create a query</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">with all territories and an outer join to the query 
  above; those not</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">assigned will have a Null for ManagerID. Vice versa 
  for managers</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">without a territory.</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Please note that ManagerID and TerritoryID will both 
  be foreign keys.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">And, as you note later, strip the name fields etc. 
  from this table.</SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Where DateAssigned In
(Select Top 1 DateAssigned

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Where TerritoryID=3DT1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned<=3D[What Report Date
would you like to use?]
Order By DateAssigned DESC);

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never
have come up with this, especially the part =
&#8220;TerritoryID=3DT1.TerritoryID&#8221;.
I still don&#8217;t really understand how it works. I&#8217;ve looked =
through
all my books, but it seems my library needs another book (to the =
astonishment
of my wife!) Will you please suggest a book that explains this type of =
query?</span></font></p>

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Drew Wutka
[mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [AccessD] =
select most
recent</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Okay, I built
tblTest.&nbsp; It has ManagerID, TerritoryID and DateAssigned as you =
have
below.&nbsp; Then I used this SQL statement to produce the results you =
want:</span></font></p>

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TerritoryID, DateAssigned<br>

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Where DateAssigned In<br>
(Select Top 1 DateAssigned<br>

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Where TerritoryID=3DT1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned&lt;=3D[What Report =
Date would
you like to use?]<br>
Order By DateAssigned DESC);</span></font></p>

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Where DateAssigned In
(Select Top 1 DateAssigned

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Where TerritoryID=T1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned<=[What Report Date would
you like to use?]
Order By DateAssigned DESC);

 

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<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Quite 
frankly I haven't touched a book about Access or even remotely computer related 
since I started using Access.&nbsp; I had a 'basic' Access book, that I used to 
figure out where to start looking in the help files, and from then on....no more 
books.&nbsp; (With one exception.&nbsp; I did check out a book on C++ this past 
summer from the library....so that's 1 book (about computer stuff) in almost 5 
years.).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It's 
not like I learn by magic, my resources are 'Trial and Error' (probably the 
biggest chunk...hehehehe), Access 97 help files (next in line), the MSDN (The 
version I have is what came with Access 2000 Developer's edition...3 CD's, 
plenty of stuff), then a lot of online resources, like the List, The Access Web 
(<A href="http://mvps.org/Access">http://mvps.org/Access</A>), 
comp.databases.ms-access (though that has gone down hill a bit lately), and 
lately Woody's lounge.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Lately 
I have been doing more 'contributing' then asking, but I learn just as much as I 
contribute from just reading other posts.&nbsp; For example, the proposed 
solution I gave you is something I have never done in any of my own 
projects.&nbsp; It just so happens that I had a post on a similar issue on 
Woody's lounge, that i solved using the subquery method...which is something I 
just remember reading about somewhere (can't remember where to be truthful), so 
I looked it up in Access 97's help files, and whalla.&nbsp; Right after I posted 
to the lounge, I read your last post, so I posted a modified version for 
you.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I am 
not recommending that you forsake 'book knowledge', I just can't give you any 
good titles.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Drew</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eric Goetz 
  [mailto:EricGoetz at egisystems.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 18, 2003 
  12:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd at databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: 
  [AccessD] select most recent<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=Section1>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi 
  Drew,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wow! It's like magic. 
  I would never have come up with this, especially the part 
  "TerritoryID=T1.TerritoryID". I still don't really understand how it works. 
  I've looked through all my books, but it seems my library needs another book 
  (to the astonishment of my wife!) Will you please suggest a book that explains 
  this type of query?</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Eric</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original 
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Drew Wutka 
  [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] <BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Monday, February 17, 
  2003</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">9:33 
  PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 
  'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [AccessD] select most 
  recent</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Okay, I 
  built tblTest.&nbsp; It has ManagerID, TerritoryID and DateAssigned as you 
  have below.&nbsp; Then I used this SQL statement to produce the results you 
  want:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Select 
  ManagerID, TerritoryID, DateAssigned<BR>From tblTest As T1<BR>Where 
  DateAssigned In<BR>(Select Top 1 DateAssigned<BR>From tblTest<BR>Where 
  TerritoryID=T1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned&lt;=[What Report Date would you 
  like to use?]<BR>Order By DateAssigned DESC);</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Good 
  luck,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
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  size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Drew</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">
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that resets it to True in your error handler.

/gustav



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that resets it to True in your error handler.

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that resets it to True in your error handler.

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resets it to True in your error handler.

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resets it to True in your error handler.

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/gustav

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surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
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surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.33.1325093917.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.34.1325093917.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.35.1325093917.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.36.1325093917.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk






From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.37.1325093917.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.38.1325093917.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.39.1325093918.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.40.1325093918.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.41.1325093918.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and<br>
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.<br>
<br>
<br>
He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.<br>
<br>
<br>
The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry<br>
them in hot grease.<br>
<br>
<br>
Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the<br>
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left<br>
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at<br>
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.<br>
<br>
<br>
The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.<br>
on a Dr Pepper can.<br>
<br>
<br>
John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had<br>
also never met.<br>
<br>
<br>
The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of<br>
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.<br>
<br>
<br>
The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.<br>
<br>
<br>
He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East<br>
River.<br>
<br>
<br>
Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one<br>
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.<br>
<br>
<br>
The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this<br>
plan just might work.<br>
<br>
<br>
The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating<br>
for a while.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell<br>
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.<br>
<br>
<br>
She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just<br>
before it throws up.<br>
<br>
<br>
It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever<br>
seen before.<br>
<br>
<br>
The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg<br>
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.<br>
<br>
<br>
It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with<br>
power tools.<br>
<br>
<br>
She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.<br>
<br>
<br>
She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was<br>
room-temperature beef.<br>
<br>
<br>
She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.<br>
<br>
<br>
It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to<br>
the wall.<br>
<br>
<br>
Andy Lacey<br>
<a href="bkmknew.asp?SysID=6&ReturnURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2%2Emagicaldesk%2Ecom%2Ffacelift2%2E5%2Fmsgin%2Easp%3FRecID%3D53931511%26FolderID%3D999999%26ReturnURL%3Dmsgin%252Easp%253FFolderID%253D999999%2526SortBy%253DSentDateUp&Name=http://www.minstersystems.co.uk&URL=http://www.minstersystems.co.uk"><img src="Images/bkmark2.gif" border=0 alt='Click to bookmark this address'></a> <a href=http://www.minstersystems.co.uk target=>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk</a><br>
<br>
Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:<br>
<br>
<br>
His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like<br>
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.<br>
<br>
<br>
He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy<br>
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those<br>
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at<br>
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one<br>
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.<br>
<br>
<br>
The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling<br>
ball wouldn't.<br>
<br>
<br>

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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.42.1325093919.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and<br>
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.<br>
<br>
<br>
He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.<br>
<br>
<br>
The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry<br>
them in hot grease.<br>
<br>
<br>
Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the<br>
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left<br>
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at<br>
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.<br>
<br>
<br>
The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.<br>
on a Dr Pepper can.<br>
<br>
<br>
John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had<br>
also never met.<br>
<br>
<br>
The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of<br>
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.<br>
<br>
<br>
The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.<br>
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He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East<br>
River.<br>
<br>
<br>
Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one<br>
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.<br>
<br>
<br>
The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this<br>
plan just might work.<br>
<br>
<br>
The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating<br>
for a while.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell<br>
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.<br>
<br>
<br>
She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just<br>
before it throws up.<br>
<br>
<br>
It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever<br>
seen before.<br>
<br>
<br>
The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg<br>
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.<br>
<br>
<br>
It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with<br>
power tools.<br>
<br>
<br>
She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.<br>
<br>
<br>
She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was<br>
room-temperature beef.<br>
<br>
<br>
She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.<br>
<br>
<br>
It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to<br>
the wall.<br>
<br>
<br>
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.43.1325093920.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
Click to bookmark this address http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.44.1325093920.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
Click to bookmark this address http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.45.1325093923.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

There are two kinds of strings: variable-length and fixed-length strings.
A variable-length string can contain up to approximately 2 billion (2^31)
characters.
A fixed-length string can contain 1 to approximately 64K (2^16) characters.

In a application I use a text file is placed into a string variable defined
by
Public myString as String.

 I was under the impression that this line defined a variable length
string, but ran into a text file of approximately 5mb. This file would not
fit. The file contains less than 100k characters. So I asked around the
office and was told that actually the variable length string with 2bill
char limit referenced here is for VB only, and that VBA has a hard limit of
64K chars.

The actual error is:
Run Time Error 14: (out of string space)

Can anyone confirm this, or have any thoughts on the subject?



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.46.1325093923.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

There are two kinds of strings: variable-length and fixed-length strings.
A variable-length string can contain up to approximately 2 billion (2^31)
characters.
A fixed-length string can contain 1 to approximately 64K (2^16) characters.

In a application I use a text file is placed into a string variable defined
by
Public myString as String.

 I was under the impression that this line defined a variable length
string, but ran into a text file of approximately 5mb. This file would not
fit. The file contains less than 100k characters. So I asked around the
office and was told that actually the variable length string with 2bill
char limit referenced here is for VB only, and that VBA has a hard limit of
64K chars.

The actual error is:
Run Time Error 14: (out of string space)

Can anyone confirm this, or have any thoughts on the subject?

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.47.1325093926.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>


Error 49: "Bad DLL calling convention" can occur for no apparent reason. 
Sometimes commenting the code where the error occurs, compiling, then 
uncommenting that code, and recompile again fixes this problem, at least for a 
while.  However other times only a /decompile will fix this problem.


Martin

Quoting Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>:

> This problem has been haunting us ever since we started working with
> Windows 2000 but it really annoys in Windows XP.  I wasn't able to
> track
> it down in Access 97 and I still can't in Access XP, but at least I
> can
> see it now.  I realize it has to be related to a declared function but
> I
> can't see that any of them we use in reattaching tables is passing the
> wrong kind of parameter.  Has anyone else tackled and solved this?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.48.1325093928.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

gets an object pointer to the correct printer, and 
	Set Application.Printer = prt
then activates that printer as the new application default.

Kind of like getting a record bookmark and then resetting it back when
you're done.

Seth

On Fri, 2003-02-28 at 09:26, Susan Harkins wrote:
> OK, wait a minute -- apparently, I'm missing a gear or two.
> 
> Dim prt As Access.Printer
> Set prt = Application.Printers(lngPrinter)
> 
> isn't the same as
> 
> Set Application.Printer = prt
> 
> ????
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike and Doris Manning" <mikedorism at ntelos.net>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:14 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] more on printing
> 
> 
> > Your problem is that you haven't actually changed the default printer.
> You
> > need to add the line below just before you open the report.
> >
> > Set Application.Printer = prt
> >
> > And it is strongly recommended that you hold the default printer somewhere
> > so you can easily switch it back to being the default.
> >
> > Doris Manning
> > Database Administrator
> > Hargrove Inc.
> > www.hargroveinc.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:07 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] more on printing
> >
> >
> > OK, I've done that.
> >
> > Dim prt As Access.Printer
> > Dim strReport As String
> > Dim strPrinter As String
> > Dim lngPrinter As Long
> > lngPrinter = cboPrinter
> > strReport = cboReport
> > Set prt = Application.Printers(lngPrinter)
> > prt.Orientation = fraOrientation
> > prt.Copies = txtCopies
> > prt.PaperSize = cboPaperSize
> > DoCmd.OpenReport strReport, acViewNormal
> >
> > Now, I've installed a few printers, but I only actually have one and the
> > above always sends to the actual (default) printer, even if I select one
> of
> > the others -- I expected an error. In addition, if I do a preview, I don't
> > see the changes in orientation, etc. that I might have selected. So, I'm
> > doing something wrong. I'm wondering if Access is smart enough to know I
> > don't really have that printer connected, and so it just ignores
> everything
> > -- but then, I'd still expect an error.
> >
> > Thanks for your help Doris.
> > Susan H.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike and Doris Manning" <mikedorism at ntelos.net>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 8:37 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] more on printing
> >
> >
> > > Once you change the Application.Printer, you open and print the report
> > just
> > > like you normally would.
> > >
> > > Doris Manning
> > > Database Administrator
> > > Hargrove Inc.
> > > www.hargroveinc.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:34 PM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] more on printing
> > >
> > >
> > > After setting all the appropriate Printer properties and choosing a
> > > nondefault printer, how do you actually print a report? Will the
> > OpenReport
> > > method print to the set printer or always print to the default
> > > printer?
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.49.1325093928.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

The catapults on carriers are tested by shooting a heavy steel device =
off
the deck.  This device has wheels, is about the size of a VW bug, and =
just
like a VW, it floats (so it can be retrieved and used again).  This test =
is
usually done in a shipyard after the water area in front of the carrier =
is
cleared and 'quarantined'.

Dan

>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]=20
> Sent:	Friday, February 28, 2003 11:47 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] OT: for Friday - the fine art of anvil
> shooting
>=20
> http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_carrier
>=20
> Aircraft carriers have two basic configurations. The most common has a
> flat top deck that serves as a take-off and landing area for =
airplanes. A
> steam-powered catapult accelerates an aircraft under full throttle, =
from 0
> to 165 mph in 2 seconds during take-off to help it reach take-off =
speed.=20
>=20
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:30 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: for Friday - the fine art of anvil shooting
>=20
>=20
> The US Navy's Aircraft carriers (at least most of them), have a steam
> powered catapult system.  It is an extremely powerful mechanism, which
> launches a jet from a stand still to speeds close to several hundred =
miles
> an hour (don't know the exact specs off the top of my head....) in a
> distance of probably less then 100 feet.
>=20
> I personally have never seen proof, but rumors abound that all sorts =
of
> things have been used to 'test' those catapults.  (I've heard of vw =
bugs,
> and various other 'heavy' objects).
>=20
> Drew
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Whittinghill [mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:34 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: for Friday - the fine art of anvil shooting
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> That's great!  Once on TV I saw this story about this old British
> landowner
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him
> launching a Volkswagen and a burning piano.  His dream is to one day =
get a
> catapult powerful enough to throw a double decker bus.  Great fun!
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> Mark Whittinghill
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Seth Galitzer" <sgsax at ksu.edu>
> To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:34 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: for Friday - the fine art of anvil shooting
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> > Been chuckling at this today.  It's almost too funny to believe.
> >
> > Detailed info and history
> > http://ncollier.com/anvils.htm
> >
> > Good pictures of actual shooting
> > http://members.sockets.net/~mbollinger/
> >
> > The funny part is that they are so serious about it.
> >
> > Happy Friday!
> >
> > Seth
> >
> > --
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.50.1325093930.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

in the mix, is if and how, they would use Domain security?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 3:48 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Server Needed



I was reading some threads that suggested that a Linux box might be used as
the server. I have no idea how to configure this. Boxes a-f hit a server
which hitherto has been a winX box. If have read the thread correctly, I can
subst a Linux box for any given server in the farm. Small company, say 4
servers. Can I build server Documents as a Linux box and hit it from the
numerous WinX boxes like they didn't even know it was a Linux server? I tend
to stay at one level, so forgive me if my questions reveal much ignorance.
Could I put a huge number of documents mostly media and DWMX &c. files on a
Linux box and transparently hit them from a local inst of DWMX, say, running
on winXP and having no idea that the server in question is running Mandrake
9.x? Is this true? If so, way cool! And how do I build it?

 

If so, how far can one push this scenario? Could an Access MDB live on a
Linux server and be accessible from x, y and z users on win98, 2K and XP?
I'm not an OS-level guy, hence these questions :-)

 

Arthur

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: March 3, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Server Needed

 

Rocky, it is a common misconception that you need a rocking CPU for a
server.  That is absolutely not true.  There are a few 'purposes' of a
server, and not all of them require massive processor speeds, or tons of
memory.

 

1 - File Sharing

2 - Domain Control

3 - Network 'Service' Server (Proxy, Email Server, Web Server, etc).

4 - Server Computing (Hard data crunching)

5 - Server Side databases.

 

You need to realize the real limiting factors on a server.  First is network
bandwidth.  a 100 megabit line is roughly 12 megabytes per second.  That is
not a lot.  It is a fraction of the speed of a typical IDE drive.  If you go
to a gigabit line, then you have a much larger data transfer rate (10x, so
you are talking roughly 120 megabytes per second...which is faster then your
typical IDE drive, but it is still less then a SCSI Raid configuration).
So, if you are just setting up file transfers, then you don't need much of a
machine to do it.  It can have minimal CPU Speed (even Pentium or Pentium
II....though I personally wouldn't go lower then a Pentium III to be on the
safe side), and memory doesn't have to be whopping (256 megs would do).
This is because the file sharing is going to be slower then actual file
usage used locally (do to the pipe the data is going through).  A faster CPU
or more memory isn't going to push the data through faster.

 

Domain Controllers don't need to be whoppers either.  I think we are running
a Pentium II (desktop) for a Primary Domain Controller here.  No problems.
It doesn't have to do all that much as far as processing goes.

 

Network services.  Well, it depends.  We run everything but our mail server
on Pentium III desktops.  (Proxy, web, intranet, etc.).  It all runs fine.
Again, it is going to boil down to the network tunnel involved.  With a
webserver, a common misconception is that you need to have a huge machine to
handle massive transactions.  Absolutely not true.  In a web server, you
have an even smaller pipe (we have a T1 here), so the data is being sent
through an even slower connection.  Now, if you have a lot of Server Side
scripting, where the server is creating pages on the fly, then you do need a
decent CPU, and the more ram you have, the more pages that are 'cached'.
But again, you don't need a Cray.  Email servers can require a bit more
power though.  We use an Exchange Server.  It's got a dual processor, with 2
gigs of RAM.  The real catch is how heavy it is used internally.  (for in
house comms).

 

Server Computing.  This is where the most power is needed.  There are
software packages out there that use server CPU time pretty heavily.  For
example, we have a package called FlowTherm, and FlowStress.  These packages
perform massive heat calculations, over and over and over.  If you run this
software on a server, obviously the more CPU and memory you have the better.

 

Server Side Databases.  You do need power on these.  But again, you are
limitted by your network speed.  However, your processor is going to do a
lot of work independant of the network traffic, so it probably should be
pretty fast, with lots of memory to boot.

 

Just my two cents.

 

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 12:06 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Server Needed

Dear List:

 

Excuse the OT please but I know someone will know the answer:

 

I have a client who wants to upgrade the server on his network.  There's
about 10 seats on his network, of which maybe 6 are being used.  Seems to me
that he could use any good, fast P4 box with 1/2 gig of RAM , etc.  Which is
well under $1000 these days from dell, or gateway, with three years on-site.

 

A local, old, fairly reputable company in San Diego - Datel - is quoting him
$1457 for and Intel entry level server with a P4 (speed unknown), 512MB RAM,
80GB HD, with DUAL LAN RAID - whatever that is.  Plus another $775 for "WIN
2000 SVR W/5 CLIENT SP3 OEM-CD".  Plus something between 5 and 10 hours of
installation charged at a price unspecified in the quote.

 

Right now his "server" is an old Win98 box, slow, but effective.

 

My question is, what is the difference between a box that someone like Dell
calls a server and an ordinary computer?  Does he need a server?

 

MTIA,

 

Rocky

 


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<DIV><SPAN class=088510522-03032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
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  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Arthur Fuller 
  [mailto:artful at rogers.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 03, 2003 3:48 
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd at databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [AccessD] 
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  <DIV class=Section1>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
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  threads that suggested that a Linux box might be used as the server. I have no 
  idea how to configure this. Boxes a-f hit a server which hitherto has been a 
  winX box. If have read the thread correctly, I can subst a Linux box for any 
  given server in the farm. Small company, say 4 servers. Can I build server 
  Documents as a Linux box and hit it from the numerous WinX boxes like they 
  didn't even know it was a Linux server? I tend to stay at one level, so 
  forgive me if my questions reveal much ignorance. Could I put a huge number of 
  documents mostly media and DWMX &amp;c. files on a Linux box and transparently 
  hit them from a local inst of DWMX, say, running on winXP and having no idea 
  that the server in question is running Mandrake 9.x? Is this true? If so, way 
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  one push this scenario? Could an Access MDB live on a Linux server and be 
  accessible from x, y and z users on win98, 2K and XP? I'm not an OS-level guy, 
  hence these questions </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=navy 
  size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Arthur</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original 
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> 
  accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] 
  <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Drew 
  Wutka<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> March 3, 2003 
  10:20 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 
  'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [AccessD] OT: Server 
  Needed</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Rocky, 
  it is a common misconception that you need a rocking CPU for a server.&nbsp; 
  That is absolutely not true.&nbsp; There are a few 'purposes' of a server, and 
  not all of them require massive processor speeds, or tons of 
  memory.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1 
  -&nbsp;File Sharing</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2 - 
  Domain Control</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3 - 
  Network 'Service' Server (Proxy, Email Server, Web Server, 
  etc).</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">4 - 
  Server Computing (Hard data crunching)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">5 - 
  Server Side databases.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You need 
  to realize the real limiting factors on a server.&nbsp; First is network 
  bandwidth.&nbsp; a 100 megabit line is roughly 12 megabytes per second.&nbsp; 
  That is not a lot.&nbsp; It is a fraction of the speed of a typical IDE 
  drive.&nbsp; If you go to a gigabit line, then you have a much larger data 
  transfer rate (10x, so you are talking roughly 120 megabytes per 
  second...which is faster then your typical IDE drive, but it is still less 
  then a SCSI Raid configuration).&nbsp; So, if you are just setting up file 
  transfers, then you don't need much of a machine to do it.&nbsp; It can have 
  minimal CPU Speed (even Pentium or Pentium II....though I personally wouldn't 
  go lower then a Pentium III to be on the safe side), and memory doesn't have 
  to be whopping (256 megs would do).&nbsp; This is because the file sharing is 
  going to be slower then actual file usage used locally (do to the pipe the 
  data is going through).&nbsp; A faster CPU or more memory isn't going to push 
  the data through faster.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Domain 
  Controllers don't need to be whoppers either.&nbsp; I think we are running a 
  Pentium II (desktop)&nbsp;for a Primary Domain Controller here.&nbsp; No 
  problems.&nbsp; It doesn't have to do all that much as far as processing 
  goes.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Network 
  services.&nbsp; Well, it depends.&nbsp; We run everything but our mail server 
  on Pentium III desktops.&nbsp; (Proxy, web, intranet, etc.).&nbsp; It all runs 
  fine.&nbsp; Again, it is going to boil down to the network tunnel 
  involved.&nbsp; With a webserver, a common misconception is that you need to 
  have a huge machine to handle massive transactions.&nbsp; Absolutely not 
  true.&nbsp; In a web server, you have an even smaller pipe (we have a T1 
  here), so the data is being sent through an even slower connection.&nbsp; Now, 
  if you have a lot of Server Side scripting, where the server is creating pages 
  on the fly, then you do need a decent CPU, and the more ram you have, the more 
  pages that are 'cached'.&nbsp; But again, you don't need a Cray.&nbsp; Email 
  servers can require a bit more power though.&nbsp; We use an Exchange 
  Server.&nbsp; It's got a dual processor, with 2 gigs of RAM.&nbsp; The real 
  catch is how heavy it is used internally.&nbsp; (for in house 
  comms).</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Server 
  Computing.&nbsp; This is where the most power is needed.&nbsp; There are 
  software packages out there that use server CPU time pretty heavily.&nbsp; For 
  example, we have a package called FlowTherm, and FlowStress.&nbsp; These 
  packages perform massive heat calculations, over and over and over.&nbsp; If 
  you run this software on a server, obviously the more CPU and memory you have 
  the better.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Server 
  Side Databases.&nbsp; You do need power on these.&nbsp; But again, you are 
  limitted by your network speed.&nbsp; However, your processor is going to do a 
  lot of work independant of the network traffic, so it probably should be 
  pretty fast, with lots of memory to boot.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just my 
  two cents.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Drew</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm">
    <P class=MsoNormal 
    style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm"><FONT 
    face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original 
    Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Rocky 
    Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]<BR><B><SPAN 
    style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, March 02, 2003 12:06 
    AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 
    AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<BR><B><SPAN 
    style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [AccessD] OT: Server 
    Needed</SPAN></FONT></P>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dear 
    List:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Excuse the OT please but I know 
    someone will know the answer:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have a client who wants to 
    upgrade the server on his network.&nbsp; There's about 10 seats on his 
    network, of which maybe 6 are being used.&nbsp; Seems to me that he could 
    use any good, fast P4 box with 1/2 gig of RAM , etc.&nbsp; Which is well 
    under $1000 these days from dell, or gateway, with three years 
    on-site.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A local, old, fairly reputable 
    company in San Diego - Datel - is quoting him $1457 for and Intel entry 
    level server with a P4 (speed unknown), 512MB RAM, 80GB HD, with DUAL LAN 
    RAID - whatever that is.&nbsp; Plus another $775 for "WIN 2000 SVR W/5 
    CLIENT SP3 OEM-CD".&nbsp; Plus something between 5 and 10 hours of 
    installation charged at a price unspecified in the 
    quote.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Right now his "server" is an old 
    Win98 box, slow, but effective.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My question is, what is the 
    difference between a box that someone like Dell calls a server and an 
    ordinary computer?&nbsp; Does he need a server?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MTIA,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Rocky</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
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just an answer.  8-(

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Using Outlook second or third email address



John, 

Are you doing this from the interface or from code?  If you're doing it from
code, you should be able to dump the addresses into an array and pick one.
If you're doing it from the interface, then is this an OT thread?

Charlotte Foust 

	 -----Original Message----- 
From:   accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com [
<mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com>
mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]  On Behalf Of John W. Colby 
Sent:   Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:59 PM 
To:     accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject:        RE: [AccessD] Using Outlook second or third email address 

	I understand that, and I have some people for example that have
three email addresses.  Now I want to send an email to the second email
address for this person.  How do I do that?

	John W. Colby 
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	-----Original Message----- 
From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com 
[  <mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On>
mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Porter, Mark 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:43 PM 
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Using Outlook second or third email address 


	There is a drop-down button between the email label and text box,
this gives 
you selections (email 1,2,3).  Whichever one is selected will determine 
which email slot the email address will occupy.  

	Mark 


	-----Original Message----- 
From: John W. Colby [  <mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:30 PM 
To: AccessD 
Subject: [AccessD] Using Outlook second or third email address 


	Outlook allows you to store three email addresses for a contact.
However I 
cannot figure out how to use anything except the first address.  Even if I 
select the second or third to display when the contact is open, the address 
when selected still uses the first.  does anyone know how to use the second 
or third address? 

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=812075713-05032003>John,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=812075713-05032003>Is 
there any way you can supress the graphic that attaches itself to your 
messages?&nbsp; Every time I open one of your messages, my company firewall 
dialog pops up.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=812075713-05032003>Alternatively, I didn't see a plain text option in the 
list messages options.&nbsp; Is there a way to do this?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> John W. Colby 
  [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 04, 2003 
  6:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd at databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> 
  [AccessD] OT: Using Outlook second or third email address<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=904062200-05032003>From 
  interface.&nbsp; It is indeed off topic.&nbsp; I wasn't interested in a 
  thread, just an answer.&nbsp; 8-(</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <P><FONT size=2>John W. Colby<BR>Colby 
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    <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
    size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
    accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com 
    [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Charlotte 
    Foust<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:10 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 
    accessd at databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [AccessD] Using Outlook 
    second or third email address<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->
    <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>John,</FONT> </P>
    <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Are you doing this from 
    the interface or from code?&nbsp; If you're doing it from code, you should 
    be able to dump the addresses into an array and pick one.&nbsp; If you're 
    doing it from the interface, then is this an OT thread?</FONT></P>
    <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Charlotte Foust</FONT> 
    </P>
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      <P><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;<FONT face=Tahoma size=1>-----Original 
      Message-----</FONT> <BR><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=1>From: 
      &nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT face=Tahoma 
      size=1>accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com [</FONT><A 
      href="mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com"><U><FONT face=Tahoma 
      color=#0000ff 
      size=1>mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com</FONT></U></A><FONT 
      face=Tahoma size=1>]&nbsp;</FONT><B> <FONT face=Tahoma size=1>On Behalf 
      Of</FONT></B> <FONT face=Tahoma size=1>John W. Colby</FONT> <BR><B><FONT 
      face=Tahoma size=1>Sent:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT face=Tahoma 
      size=1>Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:59 PM</FONT> <BR><B><FONT face=Tahoma 
      size=1>To:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT face=Tahoma 
      size=1>accessd at databaseadvisors.com</FONT> <BR><B><FONT face=Tahoma 
      size=1>Subject:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT 
      face=Tahoma size=1>RE: [AccessD] Using Outlook second or third email 
      address</FONT> </P>
      <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>I understand that, and I have some people for 
      example that have three email addresses.&nbsp; Now I want to send an email 
      to the second email address for this person.&nbsp; How do I do 
      that?</FONT></P>
      <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>John W. Colby</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial 
      size=2>Colby Consulting</FONT> <BR><A 
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      label and text box, this gives</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>you 
      selections (email 1,2,3).&nbsp; Whichever one is selected will 
      determine</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>which email slot the email 
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.52.1325093933.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

answer.

So I guess I Ghost it first, test it, dink around, dink around...

If I find any absolute answers I'll let you all know.

JB

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From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:22 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] multiple version of the ODE tools


Does anyone know if there is a problem with installing multiple version of
the ODE tools on the same PC?

 Specifically 97 and 2k for now.

TIA
JB


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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
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The Nz method of the data source control is suppose to replace Null
values with a zero (0) or some other specified value. However, the
method does not replace Null values as expected.

And ...

Although the Nz Method is correctly documented in Microsoft Script
Editor Help, it does not function as expected

However, the article doesn't explain what it *DOES* do--that unexpected
behavior.  

I've never had any problems with Nz, so I can't agree with your "flaky"
assessment.  It works for me, yet the article says it "does not function
as expected".  Maybe I have different expectations?

Charlotte Foust



-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:43 AM
To: Charlotte Foust
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Nz function in Access 2002


Hi Charlotte

> I ran across an MSKB article today 
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;295619 that 
> says the Nz function works in 2002 but it may not work as expected!
Say
> what??   It works, but it doesn't?

How can you read that from the article? It reads:

<quote>

The Nz method of the data source control is supposed to replace Null
values with a zero (0) or some other specified value. However, the
method does not replace Null values as expected.   

</quote>

So it doesn't work in A2002.

However, Nz() has always been flaky - to quote myself from 12. May
2002: 

<quote>

Did you know that - when used to return an expression in a query -
Nz() always returns a string even if it is supposed not to do so?

Like this:
    Expr1: Nz([fldNumeric])
or:
    Expr1: Nz([fldNumeric], 0)

If you need a numeric value, you'll have to wrap it in Int():

    NumExpr1: Int(Nz([fldNumeric]))

Even if fldNumeric is a long, this will return a long when fldNumeric is
not Null but an integer for Null. If you wish a long in any case, the
zero for Null values for some reason must be present:

    NumExpr1: Int(Nz([fldNumeric], 0))

Alternatively, Nz() can be replaced with the good old IIf()
construction:

    NumExpr1: IIf(IsNull([fldNumeric]), 0,[fldNumeric])

This is tested for Access 95, 97 and 2000. Don't know about 2002.

</quote>

/gustav


> Has anyone run into this?  Nz isn't always the most appropriate 
> function, but I've never seen it fail, at least not that I knew about.

> We use this a lot, and I'm concerned about migrating our apps from 97 
> to 2002 and having a lot of code fall over.  I wondered if it could be

> the result of not passing in the optional argument, but the article 
> seemed rather vague to me.  Does anyone else have first-hand knowledge

> of the problem?

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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
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John	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Jill	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Bill	Pontiac	Grand Am
Joe	Chevy	Camaro
Tami	Dodge	Intrepid
Dave	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Mike	Pontiac	Grand Am
Jeff	Chevy	Camaro
Mary	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Kim	Pontiac	Grand Am


I want it to give me:

Pontiac Grand Prix	4
Pontiac Grand Am	3
Chevy Camaro	2
Dodge Intrepid	1


If it makes a difference, the car make and the model are in a table
that is linked to the main table, where the name would be, by a number
(PK). For instance, Pontiac Grand Prix would be represented in John's
record with a 10 maybe.

And, to muck up things worse (although I hope not), this list of cars
is might change (i.e. next year there might be a Ford Focus, and maybe
there won't be something that is there now.).

Thanks for any help you may be able to give. This is a continuation of
my last post (Counting "unknown" fields), and I am so close to pumping
this program out...I just need to finish this and another problem that I
have already done previously...with the list's help of course.

Take care!

John W Clark


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.55.1325093934.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

John	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Jill	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Bill	Pontiac	Grand Am
Joe	Chevy	Camaro
Tami	Dodge	Intrepid
Dave	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Mike	Pontiac	Grand Am
Jeff	Chevy	Camaro
Mary	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Kim	Pontiac	Grand Am


I want it to give me:

Pontiac Grand Prix	4
Pontiac Grand Am	3
Chevy Camaro	2
Dodge Intrepid	1


If it makes a difference, the car make and the model are in a table
that is linked to the main table, where the name would be, by a number
(PK). For instance, Pontiac Grand Prix would be represented in John's
record with a 10 maybe.

And, to muck up things worse (although I hope not), this list of cars
is might change (i.e. next year there might be a Ford Focus, and maybe
there won't be something that is there now.).

Thanks for any help you may be able to give. This is a continuation of
my last post (Counting "unknown" fields), and I am so close to pumping
this program out...I just need to finish this and another problem that I
have already done previously...with the list's help of course.

Take care!

John W Clark
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
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John	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Jill	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Bill	Pontiac	Grand Am
Joe	Chevy	Camaro
Tami	Dodge	Intrepid
Dave	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Mike	Pontiac	Grand Am
Jeff	Chevy	Camaro
Mary	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Kim	Pontiac	Grand Am


I want it to give me:

Pontiac Grand Prix	4
Pontiac Grand Am	3
Chevy Camaro	2
Dodge Intrepid	1


If it makes a difference, the car make and the model are in a table
that is linked to the main table, where the name would be, by a number
(PK). For instance, Pontiac Grand Prix would be represented in John's
record with a 10 maybe.

And, to muck up things worse (although I hope not), this list of cars
is might change (i.e. next year there might be a Ford Focus, and maybe
there won't be something that is there now.).

Thanks for any help you may be able to give. This is a continuation of
my last post (Counting "unknown" fields), and I am so close to pumping
this program out...I just need to finish this and another problem that
I
have already done previously...with the list's help of course.

Take care!

John W Clark
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
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Couls you give me the sql for Year and Year+1.

Maybe then i undersatnd things better.

Greetings

Pedro






----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Pedro Janssen" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] first five dates per year


> Hi Pedro
>
> > Drew Wutka his query is working (Thanks for that Drew), but you were
right
> > it is very slow. For 10000 records it almost takes 20 minutes.
> > You gave me a unionquery that i can't seem to work. Maybe i don't
understand
> > the fields in your query and what do you mean with:
>
> >> If you know the maximum number of years to list, you can create a
> >> union query like this where Year is the first year to list:
>
> > Could you explain a little more.
>
> Sure. In addition to the correct comments of Drew, here is the union
> query which collects data from maximum three years. If you need more
> years, simply insert more "Union Select ..." sections where you for
> each section increase by 1 the number to add to Year.
>
> <SQL>
>
> PARAMETERS
>   Year Short;
> SELECT TOP 5
>   Year AS Year5,
>   ID
> FROM
>   tblTrans
> WHERE
>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year],1,1)
> UNION
> SELECT TOP 5
>   Year+1 AS Year5,
>   ID
> FROM
>   tblTrans
> WHERE
>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+1,1,1)
> UNION
> SELECT TOP 5
>   Year+2 AS Year5,
>   ID
> FROM
>   tblTrans
> WHERE
>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+2,1,1)
> ORDER BY
>   Year5,
>   ID;
>
> </SQL>
>
> You will, of course, have to change the names of table and fields to
> those of your table.
>
> /gustav
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: "Pedro Janssen" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] first five dates per year
>
>
> >> Hi Pedro
> >>
> >> > I have a table with 10000 records. I would like to filter out, by
> >> > query, the first 5 or 10 dates per different years.
> >> > Is this possible.
> >>
> >> For a large table the use of a subquery may be painfully or even
> >> unacceptably slow.
> >> If you know the maximum number of years to list, you can create a
> >> union query like this where Year is the first year to list:
> >>
> >> <SQL>
> >>
> >> PARAMETERS
> >>   Year Short;
> >> SELECT TOP 5
> >>   Year AS Year5,
> >>   ID
> >> FROM
> >>   tblTrans
> >> WHERE
> >>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year],1,1)
> >> UNION
> >> SELECT TOP 5
> >>   Year+1 AS Year5,
> >>   ID
> >> FROM
> >>   tblTrans
> >> WHERE
> >>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+1,1,1)
> >>
> >>   ... <add more sections as needed>
> >>
> >> UNION
> >> SELECT TOP 5
> >>   Year+n AS Year5,
> >>   ID
> >> FROM
> >>   tblTrans
> >> WHERE
> >>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+n,1,1)
> >> ORDER BY
> >>   Year5,
> >>   ID;
> >>
> >> </SQL>
>
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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
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Couls you give me the sql for Year and Year+1.

Maybe then i undersatnd things better.

Greetings

Pedro






----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Pedro Janssen" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] first five dates per year


> Hi Pedro
>
> > Drew Wutka his query is working (Thanks for that Drew), but you were
right
> > it is very slow. For 10000 records it almost takes 20 minutes.
> > You gave me a unionquery that i can't seem to work. Maybe i don't
understand
> > the fields in your query and what do you mean with:
>
> >> If you know the maximum number of years to list, you can create a
> >> union query like this where Year is the first year to list:
>
> > Could you explain a little more.
>
> Sure. In addition to the correct comments of Drew, here is the union
> query which collects data from maximum three years. If you need more
> years, simply insert more "Union Select ..." sections where you for
> each section increase by 1 the number to add to Year.
>
> <SQL>
>
> PARAMETERS
>   Year Short;
> SELECT TOP 5
>   Year AS Year5,
>   ID
> FROM
>   tblTrans
> WHERE
>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year],1,1)
> UNION
> SELECT TOP 5
>   Year+1 AS Year5,
>   ID
> FROM
>   tblTrans
> WHERE
>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+1,1,1)
> UNION
> SELECT TOP 5
>   Year+2 AS Year5,
>   ID
> FROM
>   tblTrans
> WHERE
>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+2,1,1)
> ORDER BY
>   Year5,
>   ID;
>
> </SQL>
>
> You will, of course, have to change the names of table and fields to
> those of your table.
>
> /gustav
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: "Pedro Janssen" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] first five dates per year
>
>
> >> Hi Pedro
> >>
> >> > I have a table with 10000 records. I would like to filter out, by
> >> > query, the first 5 or 10 dates per different years.
> >> > Is this possible.
> >>
> >> For a large table the use of a subquery may be painfully or even
> >> unacceptably slow.
> >> If you know the maximum number of years to list, you can create a
> >> union query like this where Year is the first year to list:
> >>
> >> <SQL>
> >>
> >> PARAMETERS
> >>   Year Short;
> >> SELECT TOP 5
> >>   Year AS Year5,
> >>   ID
> >> FROM
> >>   tblTrans
> >> WHERE
> >>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year],1,1)
> >> UNION
> >> SELECT TOP 5
> >>   Year+1 AS Year5,
> >>   ID
> >> FROM
> >>   tblTrans
> >> WHERE
> >>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+1,1,1)
> >>
> >>   ... <add more sections as needed>
> >>
> >> UNION
> >> SELECT TOP 5
> >>   Year+n AS Year5,
> >>   ID
> >> FROM
> >>   tblTrans
> >> WHERE
> >>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+n,1,1)
> >> ORDER BY
> >>   Year5,
> >>   ID;
> >>
> >> </SQL>
>
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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
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forms makes things simpler for you, but not the user, I don't know -- on the
other hand, some forms really do try to do too much and subsequent forms can
keep the user on track.

Susan H.


> For about a decade I have worked on the principle that the same form can
> handle displays, inserts and updates.
> Lately I have been experimenting, and my tentative conclusions are that I
> have been wrong for a decade; that a better approach is to have a
reead-only
> navigation form of some sort, containing an edit button, which does not
flip
> flags in the current form but rather loads an frmEditMyDataSource form
> specifically designed for insert or edit.
>
> In this model, no single form contains the logic for multiple operations.
> Rather, one designs forms for Insert and Edit separately. The behaviours
are
> radically different. Why complicate the logic of one form by injecting two
> purposes?
>
> I'm not throwing this out as a definitive conclusion, but merely one of my
> regular queries (select * from projects where decision_certainty < .8).
> I have coded innumerable dual/treble purpose forms, with logic distributed
> among their controls, and in a few recent experiments have noticed that
the
> logic is a lot cleaner if I code something like this:
>
> On DoubleClick
> If Me.NewRecord = True Then
> Open the Insert form
> Else
> Open the Edit form
> End If
>
> Opinions? Diatribes? Scathing denunciations?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: March 5, 2003 2:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Editing Records
>
> In cases where a number of items (boolean variables in this case) must be
> true for an event to occur I usually multiply the booleans by each other.
> If I get a 0 result I know the event should not happen:
>
> blnDoTheEvent = ((blnValidate1 * blnValidate2 * blnValidate3) <> 0)
>
> If blnDoTheEvent Then
>   'do it here
> End If
>
> HTH,
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director of Product Development
> HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Gajewski [mailto:bob at renaissancesiding.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:50 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Editing Records
>
>
> Andy
>
> Just shooting from the hip, but couldn't that be done using a loop?
>
> Seems like it might be a lot of coding, even for just 13 validations ...
and
> then it would handle more if they were added later.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Gajewski
>
> On Wednesday, March 05, 2003 14:22 PM, Andy Lacey
> [SMTP:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] wrote:
> > Tim
> > Just a suggestion
> >
> > Dim blnNeedsUpdate As Boolean
> >
> >
> > blnNeedsUpdate =False
> >
> > If validation1 = false then
> >         blnNeedsUpdate =True
> >
> > End if
> >
> > If validation2 = false then
> >         blnNeedsUpdate =True
> >
> > End if
> >
> >
> > etc
> >
> > if blnNeedsUpdate = true
> >
> > ..edit
> >
> > change all fields
> >
> > ..update
> >
> >
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Swisher,
> > Timothy B
> > Sent: 05 March 2003 13:06
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Editing Records
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello group, I have a procedure (A2k) that opens a recordset (DAO) and
> > cycles through the data validating/updating several fields for each
> > record.  My question is, what is the best way to do this,
> >
> > Like this
> >
> > ..edit
> > If validation1 = false then
> >         change data
> > End if
> >
> > If validation2 = false then
> >         change data
> > End if
> > ..update
> >
> > Or
> >
> > If validation1 = false then
> >         .edit
> >         change data
> >         .update
> > End if
> >
> > If validation2 = false then
> >         .edit
> >         change data
> >         .update
> > End if
> >
> > I have about 13 validations that need to be done on about 90,000
> > records.  Each validation goes to a SQL Server BE and check the validity
> > of the data.  There is a huge difference in speed opening and closing
> > the recordset so many times, but if that is the better way to go, then
> > so be it.  All help is appreciated.  TIA
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >  << File: ATT00006.htm >>
>
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.60.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

For Personnel, you would use this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.61.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

To show all of them together, you use the Union statement.  The Union
statement is put before EACH following 'segment'.

For example, this lists both personnel and clients

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.62.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.63.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, if you had more 'segments' they too would have the Union statement
in the beginning.  So, you can do something like this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.64.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.65.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
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Union Select "George" As FirstName, "Bush" As LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.67.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

The above SQL statement as four 'segments'.  All segments after the first
one are 'preceded' with a Union statement.  The second and third are
identical, which means that you will get a recordset that has duplicate
records for all of your personnel.  The last statement is actually inserting
into the resulting recordset a 'dummy' record.  It doesn't exist within the
table, but you are giving the values of the field by using an Alias.

I hope I have made this too complex.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


I have actually created...easier than I thought...two more queries. Each
of these does one of the sections. My original query giving the first
group of numbers, I already had. Now I have created two more
queries...each doing one of the latter two sections. Now, is there a way
to bring them together?

I am going to try sub-reports, but I am guessing that this won't do
it.

>>> John.Clark at niagaracounty.com 03/11/03 01:34PM >>>
I got fancy w/my latest program, and now cannot seem to complete the
project. That is, I cannot finish the last report. This due to my own
stubbornness and stupidity, but I'm guessing that somebody on the list
can either guide me to an answer, or at least say, "That can't be done
you idiot!" ...thus saving me time looking for a solution.

Many of you offered advice, while I was building my drop-down box...it
was the one that listed a category, that was not able to be chosen,
and
"details", under these categories, that were indented slightly. The
box,
in its drop down state, looks like this:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND
   ADC
   HR
   MA
DENIED/WITHDRAWN
   ADC
   HR
   MA
GRANT REDUCTION
   ADC
   HR
   MA

I then found out that they needed a report that had totals for each
type, within a time period, and I have gotten close, with Jim
DeMarco's
advice. I used a query that makes a subset of the main table limited
by
date...this comes from a form with a start and ending date. I then use
another query that uses this query, along w/the table with the info
for
the combo box above, to total each category. I get the following for
the
time period that I have chosen:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND ADC	1
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND HR	4
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND MA	2
DENIED/WITHDRAWN HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION ADC		3
GRANT REDUCTION HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION MA		2
 

I also sum up the counts with the following formula behind a text box:
"=Sum([Count])"

This is close, but the are telling me that they need to know:

1) How many of each detail (i.e. "ADC", "HR", "MA") 

2) How many of each category (i.e. "CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND",
"DENIED/WITHDRAWN", "GRANT REDUCTION")

It looks like a crosstab query, but I don't even know what a crosstab
query is. I have a total mental block, when it comes to these
things...I
just don't get them! Is this what I should be looking at? Or, is there
another way to pull these out? For instance, if I pull apart the
"CASES
W/NO ERRORS FOUND" from the "ADC" could I count the common
occurrences?
I need to end up with:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND	7
DENIED/WITHDRAWN		1
GRANT REDUCTION		6

ADC				4
HR				6
MA				4

in addition to what I currently have.

I am currently investigating doing each of these in its own query, but
then how do I blend them, assuming I am able to figure it out.


A Humongous thanks to whoever can help me out! I am so far behind
schedule, that it isn't funny. The next project in line has a due date
of April 1st (the start of their fiscal year), and that one is much
bigger than my current one. I am already thinking of just giving them
a
"shell" so they can input, and then finish the program around it.

John W Clark
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.68.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

For Personnel, you would use this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.69.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

To show all of them together, you use the Union statement.  The Union
statement is put before EACH following 'segment'.

For example, this lists both personnel and clients

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.70.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.71.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, if you had more 'segments' they too would have the Union
statement
in the beginning.  So, you can do something like this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.72.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.73.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.74.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select "George" As FirstName, "Bush" As LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.75.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

The above SQL statement as four 'segments'.  All segments after the
first
one are 'preceded' with a Union statement.  The second and third are
identical, which means that you will get a recordset that has
duplicate
records for all of your personnel.  The last statement is actually
inserting
into the resulting recordset a 'dummy' record.  It doesn't exist within
the
table, but you are giving the values of the field by using an Alias.

I hope I have made this too complex.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


I have actually created...easier than I thought...two more queries.
Each
of these does one of the sections. My original query giving the first
group of numbers, I already had. Now I have created two more
queries...each doing one of the latter two sections. Now, is there a
way
to bring them together?

I am going to try sub-reports, but I am guessing that this won't do
it.

>>> John.Clark at niagaracounty.com 03/11/03 01:34PM >>>
I got fancy w/my latest program, and now cannot seem to complete the
project. That is, I cannot finish the last report. This due to my own
stubbornness and stupidity, but I'm guessing that somebody on the list
can either guide me to an answer, or at least say, "That can't be done
you idiot!" ...thus saving me time looking for a solution.

Many of you offered advice, while I was building my drop-down box...it
was the one that listed a category, that was not able to be chosen,
and
"details", under these categories, that were indented slightly. The
box,
in its drop down state, looks like this:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND
   ADC
   HR
   MA
DENIED/WITHDRAWN
   ADC
   HR
   MA
GRANT REDUCTION
   ADC
   HR
   MA

I then found out that they needed a report that had totals for each
type, within a time period, and I have gotten close, with Jim
DeMarco's
advice. I used a query that makes a subset of the main table limited
by
date...this comes from a form with a start and ending date. I then use
another query that uses this query, along w/the table with the info
for
the combo box above, to total each category. I get the following for
the
time period that I have chosen:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND ADC	1
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND HR	4
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND MA	2
DENIED/WITHDRAWN HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION ADC		3
GRANT REDUCTION HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION MA		2
 

I also sum up the counts with the following formula behind a text box:
"=Sum([Count])"

This is close, but the are telling me that they need to know:

1) How many of each detail (i.e. "ADC", "HR", "MA") 

2) How many of each category (i.e. "CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND",
"DENIED/WITHDRAWN", "GRANT REDUCTION")

It looks like a crosstab query, but I don't even know what a crosstab
query is. I have a total mental block, when it comes to these
things...I
just don't get them! Is this what I should be looking at? Or, is there
another way to pull these out? For instance, if I pull apart the
"CASES
W/NO ERRORS FOUND" from the "ADC" could I count the common
occurrences?
I need to end up with:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND	7
DENIED/WITHDRAWN		1
GRANT REDUCTION		6

ADC				4
HR				6
MA				4

in addition to what I currently have.

I am currently investigating doing each of these in its own query, but
then how do I blend them, assuming I am able to figure it out.


A Humongous thanks to whoever can help me out! I am so far behind
schedule, that it isn't funny. The next project in line has a due date
of April 1st (the start of their fiscal year), and that one is much
bigger than my current one. I am already thinking of just giving them
a
"shell" so they can input, and then finish the program around it.

John W Clark
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.76.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

For Personnel, you would use this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.77.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

To show all of them together, you use the Union statement.  The Union
statement is put before EACH following 'segment'.

For example, this lists both personnel and clients

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.78.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.79.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, if you had more 'segments' they too would have the Union
statement
in the beginning.  So, you can do something like this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.80.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.81.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.82.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select "George" As FirstName, "Bush" As LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.83.1325093939.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

The above SQL statement as four 'segments'.  All segments after the
first
one are 'preceded' with a Union statement.  The second and third are
identical, which means that you will get a recordset that has
duplicate
records for all of your personnel.  The last statement is actually
inserting
into the resulting recordset a 'dummy' record.  It doesn't exist within
the
table, but you are giving the values of the field by using an Alias.

I hope I have made this too complex.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


I have actually created...easier than I thought...two more queries.
Each
of these does one of the sections. My original query giving the first
group of numbers, I already had. Now I have created two more
queries...each doing one of the latter two sections. Now, is there a
way
to bring them together?

I am going to try sub-reports, but I am guessing that this won't do
it.

>>> John.Clark at niagaracounty.com 03/11/03 01:34PM >>>
I got fancy w/my latest program, and now cannot seem to complete the
project. That is, I cannot finish the last report. This due to my own
stubbornness and stupidity, but I'm guessing that somebody on the list
can either guide me to an answer, or at least say, "That can't be done
you idiot!" ...thus saving me time looking for a solution.

Many of you offered advice, while I was building my drop-down box...it
was the one that listed a category, that was not able to be chosen,
and
"details", under these categories, that were indented slightly. The
box,
in its drop down state, looks like this:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND
   ADC
   HR
   MA
DENIED/WITHDRAWN
   ADC
   HR
   MA
GRANT REDUCTION
   ADC
   HR
   MA

I then found out that they needed a report that had totals for each
type, within a time period, and I have gotten close, with Jim
DeMarco's
advice. I used a query that makes a subset of the main table limited
by
date...this comes from a form with a start and ending date. I then use
another query that uses this query, along w/the table with the info
for
the combo box above, to total each category. I get the following for
the
time period that I have chosen:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND ADC	1
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND HR	4
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND MA	2
DENIED/WITHDRAWN HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION ADC		3
GRANT REDUCTION HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION MA		2
 

I also sum up the counts with the following formula behind a text box:
"=Sum([Count])"

This is close, but the are telling me that they need to know:

1) How many of each detail (i.e. "ADC", "HR", "MA") 

2) How many of each category (i.e. "CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND",
"DENIED/WITHDRAWN", "GRANT REDUCTION")

It looks like a crosstab query, but I don't even know what a crosstab
query is. I have a total mental block, when it comes to these
things...I
just don't get them! Is this what I should be looking at? Or, is there
another way to pull these out? For instance, if I pull apart the
"CASES
W/NO ERRORS FOUND" from the "ADC" could I count the common
occurrences?
I need to end up with:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND	7
DENIED/WITHDRAWN		1
GRANT REDUCTION		6

ADC				4
HR				6
MA				4

in addition to what I currently have.

I am currently investigating doing each of these in its own query, but
then how do I blend them, assuming I am able to figure it out.


A Humongous thanks to whoever can help me out! I am so far behind
schedule, that it isn't funny. The next project in line has a due date
of April 1st (the start of their fiscal year), and that one is much
bigger than my current one. I am already thinking of just giving them
a
"shell" so they can input, and then finish the program around it.

John W Clark
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.84.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

  1. Set objWord = "JA45.dot"    ' an existing Word template on disk
  2. objWord.Application.Visible = true
  3. With objWord.MailMerge
     .MainDocumentType = wdFormLetters
     .OpenDataSource _
          Name:="this MDB name", _
          LinkToSource:=True, _
          Connection:="QUERY qry name in the MDB"
     .Execute
  4. End With

This worked great until ... the customer wanted some security features.  To the same MDW as I used to create the MDB, I added a couple of Groups and their Users, and in the basAutoExec code closed out immediately if the user was 'admin' (user trying to use a vanilla MDW).  Each user must now log in with a username and password.

In this new environment, when line 3 above executes, another copy of the MDB opens and attempts to login, and gets thrown out, and the DDE connection fails.  That is, except when I log in as me with my username/password (I'm the owner of the MDB and all components of), then it works fine.  I don't have much hair to pull out, and the various combinations of Permissions I tried to get this to work with the other users has got me at the wall.

Because the thing needed to be up and running yesterday, I have got around this problem by creating a MailMerge .txt file external to the MDB and pointing the Word templates to this .txt file.  Line 3 above has become:
   With objWord.MailMerge
     .MainDocumentType = wdFormLetters
     .OpenDataSource Name:="the .txt file on disk"
     .Execute
and this works.

I am still interested in what is going on.  My suspicion is that it has something to do with the Word templates not opening the MDB with the same username/password used to get in to the original MDB.  But if I am right, how do you do that?

MTIA.

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, South Island, New Zealand 


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.85.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

  1. Set objWord = "JA45.dot"    ' an existing Word template on disk


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.86.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

The Count of queries:

qryCountOfType1...
SELECT qryTypes1.Type, Count(qryTypes1.Type) AS CountOfType
FROM qryTypes1
GROUP BY qryTypes1.Type;

qryCountOfType2...
SELECT qryTypes2.Type, Count(qryTypes2.Type) AS CountOfType
FROM qryTypes2
GROUP BY qryTypes2.Type;

Finally a Union query with an extra field to sort by the two types of groups.

The Union query

SELECT '1' as SortOrder, * 
FROM qryCountOfType1
UNION SELECT '2' as SortOrder, *

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.87.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

This was a long way to go about doing this when you could easily do the Crosstab
query suggested in another post then run a report that sums the colums and the
rows. The only problem with the Crosstab is that you must modify the report if
new types are added. My way does not matter if new types are created as long as
the last 3 characters are one type and the other characters are another type
(you could modify this to use a delimiter and then not have to worry about the
length).

Scott Marcus 

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:55 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


No problem.  Just remember that the Unions can be the true SQL too.  So the
various querries could actually be in the Union Query, instead of making the
Union query's SQL point to them.  (Does that make sense?)

Go get some rest! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


Actually, No, you did not make this complex...I think I actually
understand everything that you are saying. I am attempting to try this
now, but I think I am going to surrender for the evening. I am getting
some interesting results, but I am tired and need a break. When I say
interesting, I actually mean that they are promising. I'll pick it up
again at 7:30AM tomorrow!

So far, I am using: 

SELECT Findings, Count
FROM qryFindingsCntByPeriod
UNION SELECT txtResultSpec, Count
FROM qryCountsOne
UNION SELECT txtResult, Count
FROM qryCountsTwo;

Thank you very much for your help!

Good Night!

John W Clark

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 03/11/03 02:19PM >>>
John, just use a Union query.  A union query in Access must be written
in
SQL, but it's pretty simple.

Let's say you had this table:

tblClients:
FirstName
LastName

and this table:

tblPersonnel:
FirstName
LastName

Now, let's say we had this data:

tblClients:
FirstName    LastName
Bob		Smith
George	Blue
Harry		Jones

tblPersonnel:
FirstName 	LastName
John		Jacobs
Greg		Myst
Anna		Grant

Okay, now you want a query to show both your clients and your personnel
in
the same fields.

To show just the clients, this SQL would work:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.88.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

For Personnel, you would use this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.89.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

To show all of them together, you use the Union statement.  The Union
statement is put before EACH following 'segment'.

For example, this lists both personnel and clients

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.90.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.91.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, if you had more 'segments' they too would have the Union
statement
in the beginning.  So, you can do something like this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.92.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.93.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.94.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select "George" As FirstName, "Bush" As LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.95.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

The above SQL statement as four 'segments'.  All segments after the
first
one are 'preceded' with a Union statement.  The second and third are
identical, which means that you will get a recordset that has
duplicate
records for all of your personnel.  The last statement is actually
inserting
into the resulting recordset a 'dummy' record.  It doesn't exist within
the
table, but you are giving the values of the field by using an Alias.

I hope I have made this too complex.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


I have actually created...easier than I thought...two more queries.
Each
of these does one of the sections. My original query giving the first
group of numbers, I already had. Now I have created two more
queries...each doing one of the latter two sections. Now, is there a
way
to bring them together?

I am going to try sub-reports, but I am guessing that this won't do
it.

>>> John.Clark at niagaracounty.com 03/11/03 01:34PM >>>
I got fancy w/my latest program, and now cannot seem to complete the
project. That is, I cannot finish the last report. This due to my own
stubbornness and stupidity, but I'm guessing that somebody on the list
can either guide me to an answer, or at least say, "That can't be done
you idiot!" ...thus saving me time looking for a solution.

Many of you offered advice, while I was building my drop-down box...it
was the one that listed a category, that was not able to be chosen,
and
"details", under these categories, that were indented slightly. The
box,
in its drop down state, looks like this:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND
   ADC
   HR
   MA
DENIED/WITHDRAWN
   ADC
   HR
   MA
GRANT REDUCTION
   ADC
   HR
   MA

I then found out that they needed a report that had totals for each
type, within a time period, and I have gotten close, with Jim
DeMarco's
advice. I used a query that makes a subset of the main table limited
by
date...this comes from a form with a start and ending date. I then use
another query that uses this query, along w/the table with the info
for
the combo box above, to total each category. I get the following for
the
time period that I have chosen:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND ADC	1
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND HR	4
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND MA	2
DENIED/WITHDRAWN HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION ADC		3
GRANT REDUCTION HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION MA		2
 

I also sum up the counts with the following formula behind a text box:
"=Sum([Count])"

This is close, but the are telling me that they need to know:

1) How many of each detail (i.e. "ADC", "HR", "MA") 

2) How many of each category (i.e. "CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND",
"DENIED/WITHDRAWN", "GRANT REDUCTION")

It looks like a crosstab query, but I don't even know what a crosstab
query is. I have a total mental block, when it comes to these
things...I
just don't get them! Is this what I should be looking at? Or, is there
another way to pull these out? For instance, if I pull apart the
"CASES
W/NO ERRORS FOUND" from the "ADC" could I count the common
occurrences?
I need to end up with:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND	7
DENIED/WITHDRAWN		1
GRANT REDUCTION		6

ADC				4
HR				6
MA				4

in addition to what I currently have.

I am currently investigating doing each of these in its own query, but
then how do I blend them, assuming I am able to figure it out.


A Humongous thanks to whoever can help me out! I am so far behind
schedule, that it isn't funny. The next project in line has a due date
of April 1st (the start of their fiscal year), and that one is much
bigger than my current one. I am already thinking of just giving them
a
"shell" so they can input, and then finish the program around it.

John W Clark
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.96.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

For Personnel, you would use this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.97.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

To show all of them together, you use the Union statement.  The Union
statement is put before EACH following 'segment'.

For example, this lists both personnel and clients

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.98.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.99.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, if you had more 'segments' they too would have the Union
statement
in the beginning.  So, you can do something like this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.100.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
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Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
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Union Select "George" As FirstName, "Bush" As LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.103.1325093940.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

The above SQL statement as four 'segments'.  All segments after the
first
one are 'preceded' with a Union statement.  The second and third are
identical, which means that you will get a recordset that has
duplicate
records for all of your personnel.  The last statement is actually
inserting
into the resulting recordset a 'dummy' record.  It doesn't exist
within
the
table, but you are giving the values of the field by using an Alias.

I hope I have made this too complex.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


I have actually created...easier than I thought...two more queries.
Each
of these does one of the sections. My original query giving the first
group of numbers, I already had. Now I have created two more
queries...each doing one of the latter two sections. Now, is there a
way
to bring them together?

I am going to try sub-reports, but I am guessing that this won't do
it.

>>> John.Clark at niagaracounty.com 03/11/03 01:34PM >>>
I got fancy w/my latest program, and now cannot seem to complete the
project. That is, I cannot finish the last report. This due to my own
stubbornness and stupidity, but I'm guessing that somebody on the list
can either guide me to an answer, or at least say, "That can't be done
you idiot!" ...thus saving me time looking for a solution.

Many of you offered advice, while I was building my drop-down box...it
was the one that listed a category, that was not able to be chosen,
and
"details", under these categories, that were indented slightly. The
box,
in its drop down state, looks like this:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND
   ADC
   HR
   MA
DENIED/WITHDRAWN
   ADC
   HR
   MA
GRANT REDUCTION
   ADC
   HR
   MA

I then found out that they needed a report that had totals for each
type, within a time period, and I have gotten close, with Jim
DeMarco's
advice. I used a query that makes a subset of the main table limited
by
date...this comes from a form with a start and ending date. I then use
another query that uses this query, along w/the table with the info
for
the combo box above, to total each category. I get the following for
the
time period that I have chosen:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND ADC	1
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND HR	4
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND MA	2
DENIED/WITHDRAWN HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION ADC		3
GRANT REDUCTION HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION MA		2
 

I also sum up the counts with the following formula behind a text box:
"=Sum([Count])"

This is close, but the are telling me that they need to know:

1) How many of each detail (i.e. "ADC", "HR", "MA") 

2) How many of each category (i.e. "CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND",
"DENIED/WITHDRAWN", "GRANT REDUCTION")

It looks like a crosstab query, but I don't even know what a crosstab
query is. I have a total mental block, when it comes to these
things...I
just don't get them! Is this what I should be looking at? Or, is there
another way to pull these out? For instance, if I pull apart the
"CASES
W/NO ERRORS FOUND" from the "ADC" could I count the common
occurrences?
I need to end up with:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND	7
DENIED/WITHDRAWN		1
GRANT REDUCTION		6

ADC				4
HR				6
MA				4

in addition to what I currently have.

I am currently investigating doing each of these in its own query, but
then how do I blend them, assuming I am able to figure it out.


A Humongous thanks to whoever can help me out! I am so far behind
schedule, that it isn't funny. The next project in line has a due date
of April 1st (the start of their fiscal year), and that one is much
bigger than my current one. I am already thinking of just giving them
a
"shell" so they can input, and then finish the program around it.

John W Clark
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.104.1325093941.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

For Personnel, you would use this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.105.1325093941.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

To show all of them together, you use the Union statement.  The Union
statement is put before EACH following 'segment'.

For example, this lists both personnel and clients

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.106.1325093941.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.107.1325093941.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, if you had more 'segments' they too would have the Union
statement
in the beginning.  So, you can do something like this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.108.1325093941.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.109.1325093941.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
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Union Select "George" As FirstName, "Bush" As LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.111.1325093941.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

The above SQL statement as four 'segments'.  All segments after the
first
one are 'preceded' with a Union statement.  The second and third are
identical, which means that you will get a recordset that has
duplicate
records for all of your personnel.  The last statement is actually
inserting
into the resulting recordset a 'dummy' record.  It doesn't exist
within
the
table, but you are giving the values of the field by using an Alias.

I hope I have made this too complex.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


I have actually created...easier than I thought...two more queries.
Each
of these does one of the sections. My original query giving the first
group of numbers, I already had. Now I have created two more
queries...each doing one of the latter two sections. Now, is there a
way
to bring them together?

I am going to try sub-reports, but I am guessing that this won't do
it.

>>> John.Clark at niagaracounty.com 03/11/03 01:34PM >>>
I got fancy w/my latest program, and now cannot seem to complete the
project. That is, I cannot finish the last report. This due to my own
stubbornness and stupidity, but I'm guessing that somebody on the list
can either guide me to an answer, or at least say, "That can't be done
you idiot!" ...thus saving me time looking for a solution.

Many of you offered advice, while I was building my drop-down box...it
was the one that listed a category, that was not able to be chosen,
and
"details", under these categories, that were indented slightly. The
box,
in its drop down state, looks like this:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND
   ADC
   HR
   MA
DENIED/WITHDRAWN
   ADC
   HR
   MA
GRANT REDUCTION
   ADC
   HR
   MA

I then found out that they needed a report that had totals for each
type, within a time period, and I have gotten close, with Jim
DeMarco's
advice. I used a query that makes a subset of the main table limited
by
date...this comes from a form with a start and ending date. I then use
another query that uses this query, along w/the table with the info
for
the combo box above, to total each category. I get the following for
the
time period that I have chosen:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND ADC	1
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND HR	4
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND MA	2
DENIED/WITHDRAWN HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION ADC		3
GRANT REDUCTION HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION MA		2
 

I also sum up the counts with the following formula behind a text box:
"=Sum([Count])"

This is close, but the are telling me that they need to know:

1) How many of each detail (i.e. "ADC", "HR", "MA") 

2) How many of each category (i.e. "CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND",
"DENIED/WITHDRAWN", "GRANT REDUCTION")

It looks like a crosstab query, but I don't even know what a crosstab
query is. I have a total mental block, when it comes to these
things...I
just don't get them! Is this what I should be looking at? Or, is there
another way to pull these out? For instance, if I pull apart the
"CASES
W/NO ERRORS FOUND" from the "ADC" could I count the common
occurrences?
I need to end up with:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND	7
DENIED/WITHDRAWN		1
GRANT REDUCTION		6

ADC				4
HR				6
MA				4

in addition to what I currently have.

I am currently investigating doing each of these in its own query, but
then how do I blend them, assuming I am able to figure it out.


A Humongous thanks to whoever can help me out! I am so far behind
schedule, that it isn't funny. The next project in line has a due date
of April 1st (the start of their fiscal year), and that one is much
bigger than my current one. I am already thinking of just giving them
a
"shell" so they can input, and then finish the program around it.

John W Clark
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
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For Personnel, you would use this:

Select FirstName, LastName

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To show all of them together, you use the Union statement.  The Union
statement is put before EACH following 'segment'.

For example, this lists both personnel and clients

Select FirstName, LastName

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Union Select FirstName, LastName

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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
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However, if you had more 'segments' they too would have the Union
statement
in the beginning.  So, you can do something like this:

Select FirstName, LastName

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Union Select FirstName, LastName

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Union Select FirstName, LastName

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Union Select "George" As FirstName, "Bush" As LastName

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The above SQL statement as four 'segments'.  All segments after the
first
one are 'preceded' with a Union statement.  The second and third are
identical, which means that you will get a recordset that has
duplicate
records for all of your personnel.  The last statement is actually
inserting
into the resulting recordset a 'dummy' record.  It doesn't exist
within
the
table, but you are giving the values of the field by using an Alias.

I hope I have made this too complex.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


I have actually created...easier than I thought...two more queries.
Each
of these does one of the sections. My original query giving the first
group of numbers, I already had. Now I have created two more
queries...each doing one of the latter two sections. Now, is there a
way
to bring them together?

I am going to try sub-reports, but I am guessing that this won't do
it.

>>> John.Clark at niagaracounty.com 03/11/03 01:34PM >>>
I got fancy w/my latest program, and now cannot seem to complete the
project. That is, I cannot finish the last report. This due to my own
stubbornness and stupidity, but I'm guessing that somebody on the list
can either guide me to an answer, or at least say, "That can't be done
you idiot!" ...thus saving me time looking for a solution.

Many of you offered advice, while I was building my drop-down box...it
was the one that listed a category, that was not able to be chosen,
and
"details", under these categories, that were indented slightly. The
box,
in its drop down state, looks like this:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND
   ADC
   HR
   MA
DENIED/WITHDRAWN
   ADC
   HR
   MA
GRANT REDUCTION
   ADC
   HR
   MA

I then found out that they needed a report that had totals for each
type, within a time period, and I have gotten close, with Jim
DeMarco's
advice. I used a query that makes a subset of the main table limited
by
date...this comes from a form with a start and ending date. I then use
another query that uses this query, along w/the table with the info
for
the combo box above, to total each category. I get the following for
the
time period that I have chosen:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND ADC	1
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND HR	4
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND MA	2
DENIED/WITHDRAWN HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION ADC		3
GRANT REDUCTION HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION MA		2
 

I also sum up the counts with the following formula behind a text box:
"=Sum([Count])"

This is close, but the are telling me that they need to know:

1) How many of each detail (i.e. "ADC", "HR", "MA") 

2) How many of each category (i.e. "CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND",
"DENIED/WITHDRAWN", "GRANT REDUCTION")

It looks like a crosstab query, but I don't even know what a crosstab
query is. I have a total mental block, when it comes to these
things...I
just don't get them! Is this what I should be looking at? Or, is there
another way to pull these out? For instance, if I pull apart the
"CASES
W/NO ERRORS FOUND" from the "ADC" could I count the common
occurrences?
I need to end up with:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND	7
DENIED/WITHDRAWN		1
GRANT REDUCTION		6

ADC				4
HR				6
MA				4

in addition to what I currently have.

I am currently investigating doing each of these in its own query, but
then how do I blend them, assuming I am able to figure it out.


A Humongous thanks to whoever can help me out! I am so far behind
schedule, that it isn't funny. The next project in line has a due date
of April 1st (the start of their fiscal year), and that one is much
bigger than my current one. I am already thinking of just giving them
a
"shell" so they can input, and then finish the program around it.

John W Clark
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
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Union Select TopicText, TopicID

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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
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Order By TopicID

Now you have a recordset with All at the top.  Now for your Question combo's
query:

Select Question, QID, [Forms]![Form2]![cmbTopic] As Expr1

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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
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Where TopicID=[Forms]![Form2]![cmbTopic] Or [Forms]![Form2]![cmbTopic]=0


Then just have the Topics combo requery the question combo.

Drew
-----Original Message-----
From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:41 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Building a search form


Drew, my problem with that is the way I synchronize two combo boxes.  Each
is set to a query and I use the ID in the first combo as the criteria for
the query used as a source for the second box.  Now, what criteria do I use
for "all"?

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:38 AM
To: ''accessd at databaseadvisors.com' '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Building a search form


Hmmmm, why not just have two combos, Topic and Question.  Have an 'all' in
the Topic question, so that you can either select a Topic (and on the
Onclick requery the Question combo based on the Topic selection), or a
question.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Klos, Susan
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Sent: 3/12/03 7:54 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Building a search form

I am creating a FAQ database.  I have the following tables: tblQuestion;
tblTopic; tblSource; tblReference; tblRelationship.  I am trying to
build a search form that can be used to find either the Topic, Question,
or Question when the Topic is known (in other words choose the topic
first then the questions relating to that topic show up in the question
dropdown.  I could do either the Topic or Question or the Question when
the Topic is known.  How do I do both on one form?
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serious problem.  If a department in your organization develops a
program (from inside or outside) without coordinating with the people
who will need to manage the equipment this program runs on and probably
manage the program itself, it's guaranteed that there will be serious
problems to come.

I am just starting as an independent, but I can't imagine not
cooperating closely with the IT folks right from the start.

Light a fire under your boss and get this resolved before it happens
again!

Good Luck!
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 2:13 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT but Access related...I've just got to share this


I have been fighting a battle for the past three years or so. My boss,
who is a politician, doesn't hold my job in high regard...I could get
really deep into explaining this, but I'll leave it here for now.
Anyhow, when he got the job in 1998, we made a decision to go w/MS
Access...we had FoxPro for many years, but there were many programs that
needed rewrote, and we also looked at VB. We chose Access for many
reasons, such as it was already on many of the machines, and I had
already begun learning it. Also, it seemed very flexible...good for
small, quick jobs, but also had capabilities for much larger projects.

I am getting away from the subject, but I wanted to provide some
background. 

Over the past few years, we have found some programs in departments that
were written by programmer wanna-bees in those departments. When I
finally find these programs, I show my boss how pathetic they are...I
may not be a guru yet, but I think I write pretty decent
programs...especially compared to these pieces of shitaki mushrooms (got
that from watching Spy Kids w/my kids).

In 1999, I had to re-write a program for our Pistol Permits Office. I
could write the program fine, but they needed to keep track of every
single change that was ever made to an account, and keep a historical
account. I had no idea how to do this, and my boss contracted with an
outside agency to help me. This programmer was suppose to "help" me
write this so that I learned as we went. This was a mistake on my
behalf, but I had had no training at all back then, and I had no
connection to any lists like this one. I also felt a little better, when
this programmer said that this was the hardest program that he ever
worked on, and he "had written some point of sales programs, and done
work for the border patrol."

Since this time I've written several programs on my own, and I have
enjoyed a really good track record (i.e. not many calls after the fact),
which I probably just jinxed by mentioning this out loud. A couple of
months ago, I "accidentally" found out that our Risk Management
department had contracted outside for a new Claims Tracking program. I
had already written another small program for them, and as far as I
know, they were happy with it. Turns out the same programmer that helped
me came in to do it, and because he had known me, and wasn't aware that
this was a secret, he called me and talked w/me about this.

He finished this program, less than a month ago, and today one of our
technicians calls to have me help with a network mapping
problem...network admin is one of my other hats here. They weren't
getting a Y: drive mapping, so their new Access program wouldn't work. I
recognized this mapping as one that we have programmed in the logging
script...any body that had old FoxPro programs had a Y: drive mapping to
the location of the FoxPro files, and this included them.

It turns out that this "professional" programmer took it upon himself to
create a local mapping on these users machines...a big "No-no"...which
overwrites our network mappings. Our office is currently in the middle
of rolling out about 100 new PCs to those users who have older ones. As
you might be guessing, this PC was one of the ones replaced. She had no
idea of what mapping she had, so she couldn't warn us, and we weren't
notified, so we didn't know. The old Y: mapping for FoxPro is really not
needed any longer...by them at least...so I offered to simply remap them
via the login script. 

The tech returned to the office after lunch, and reported to me that,
"this guy did something with Windows files too!" Apparently, although I
can't think of what this would be, there were ties directly into the
Windows OS from this program (Registry maybe? I dunno). These new PCs
had Windows 2000 and Office 2000, and her old system had Windows 95 and
the program is A97. They loaded A97, but it still does not work. Now
they have to call this "professional" in...he'll be here tomorrow.

I really think that I am at a level that I can compete w/this guy, and
that they should have given me a chance. It is plain stupidity to not
communicate with the internal IT staff. Even though I don't like the
idea of them outsourcing, I have no personal problems with this guy. He
is a really nice guy, and I have always been nice to him. We have even
spoke a time or two on our own, since he had been in here.

Sorry for this OT, but I had to vent. You may not see my point here,
seeing as how many of you are independants, but at the very least please
tell me that you would communicate to avoid later problems. Or is it
standard to just get it, get paid, and leave the mess to the IT staff.

Take care!

John W Clark


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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
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The name Schengen originates from a small town in Luxembourg. In March =
1995, seven European Union countries signed a treaty to end internal =
border checkpoints and controls. More countries have joined the treaty =
over the past years. At present (February 2003), there are 15 Schengen =
countries, all in Europe.=20

The 15 Schengen countries are: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, =
France, Germany, Iceland, Italy, Greece, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, =
Norway, Portugal, Spain and Sweden. The collected territories of these =
countries are known as the Schengen area.=20

All countries except Norway and Iceland are European Union members. =
Conversely, the United Kingdom and Ireland are in the European Union but =
are not parties to the Schengen treaty.=20

Source: http://www.eurovisa.info/SchengenCountries.htm=20

----- Original Message -----=20

From: "Mark Whittinghill" <mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world...


> What is Shengen States?  Does that mean the European Union or is it
> something else?  Just curious.
>=20
>=20
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> Minneapolis, Minnesota
> Email: mark at symphonyinfo.com
> Phone: 612-333-1311
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world...
>=20
>=20
> > Hi All,
> >
> > We made it! - I've got Visum to Netherlands (Shengen States) for =
myself
> and
> > my two kids for twenty days today! I fly to Amsterdam on 20 March =
2003. I
> > plan to visit also Hamburg, Ghent, Brugge, Brussels, Paris etc. I go =
back
> > home on 03 of April 2003.
> >
> > Without your great moral support and hints of Marty I would have not =
had
> > Visum today...
> > And of course Onno van Shelven who is not on the list these days but =
who I
> > contact from time to time with was the main helping hand - he helped =
me to
> > define a concept and then edit/augment a letter, which I wrote and =
sent to
> > the Consul and which made this incredible bombing effect and holed
> > bureaucracy wall...
> >
> > Well, I had to pay second time for their services and I didn't hear =
any
> > words of excuses or something like that but all that doesn't matter =
when
> > what was almost impossible on Monday becomes a reality on Friday...
> >
> > THNX a lot again to everybody,
> > Have nice weekend,
> > Shamil :)
> >
>=20
>=20
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href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>Greece</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3DLuxembourg=20
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Luxembourg</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, the =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3DNetherlands=20
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Netherlands</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, </FONT><A =
class=3Dinternal=20
title=3DNorway href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Norway</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, </FONT><A =
class=3Dinternal=20
title=3DPortugal href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Portugal</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, </FONT><A =
class=3Dinternal=20
title=3DSpain href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Spain</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> and </FONT><A =
class=3Dinternal=20
title=3DSweden href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Sweden</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>. The collected =
territories of=20
these countries are known as the Schengen area. </FONT>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All countries except Norway and Iceland =
are European=20
Union members. Conversely, the </FONT><A class=3Dinternal =
title=3D"United Kingdom"=20
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom"><FONT face=3DArial =

size=3D2>United Kingdom</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> and =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3DIreland =
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>Ireland</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> are =
in the European=20
Union but are not parties to the Schengen treaty. </FONT>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Source: </FONT><A class=3Dexternal=20
title=3Dhttp://www.eurovisa.info/SchengenCountries.htm=20
href=3D"http://www.eurovisa.info/SchengenCountries.htm"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.eurovisa.info/SchengenCountries.htm</FONT></A><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- =
</FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "Mark Whittinghill" &lt;</FONT><A =

href=3D"mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To: &lt;</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>accessd at databaseadvisors.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:01 =
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de =
frise" of=20
free world...</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&gt; What is Shengen States?&nbsp; Does that mean the European =
Union or=20
is it<BR>&gt; something else?&nbsp; Just curious.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt; Mark=20
Whittinghill<BR>&gt; Symphony Information Services<BR>&gt; Minneapolis,=20
Minnesota<BR>&gt; Email: </FONT><A =
href=3D"mailto:mark at symphonyinfo.com"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>mark at symphonyinfo.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&gt; Phone: 612-333-1311<BR>&gt; ----- Original Message =
-----<BR>&gt;=20
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" &lt;</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&gt;<BR>&gt; To: &lt;</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>accessd at databaseadvisors.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&gt;<BR>&gt; Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:17 PM<BR>&gt; =
Subject: Re:=20
[AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world...<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
Hi All,<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; We made it! - I've got Visum to =
Netherlands=20
(Shengen States) for myself<BR>&gt; and<BR>&gt; &gt; my two kids for =
twenty days=20
today! I fly to Amsterdam on 20 March 2003. I<BR>&gt; &gt; plan to visit =
also=20
Hamburg, Ghent, Brugge, Brussels, Paris etc. I go back<BR>&gt; &gt; home =
on 03=20
of April 2003.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Without your great moral =
support and=20
hints of Marty I would have not had<BR>&gt; &gt; Visum today...<BR>&gt; =
&gt; And=20
of course Onno van Shelven who is not on the list these days but who =
I<BR>&gt;=20
&gt; contact from time to time with was the main helping hand - he =
helped me=20
to<BR>&gt; &gt; define a concept and then edit/augment a letter, which I =
wrote=20
and sent to<BR>&gt; &gt; the Consul and which made this incredible =
bombing=20
effect and holed<BR>&gt; &gt; bureaucracy wall...<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; =
&gt;=20
Well, I had to pay second time for their services and I didn't hear =
any<BR>&gt;=20
&gt; words of excuses or something like that but all that doesn't matter =

when<BR>&gt; &gt; what was almost impossible on Monday becomes a reality =
on=20
Friday...<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; THNX a lot again to =
everybody,<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
Have nice weekend,<BR>&gt; &gt; Shamil :)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
_______________________________________________<BR>&gt; AccessD mailing=20
list<BR>&gt; </FONT><A =
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
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table in SQL Server to an XML file on the disk.

This .Net is cool stuff!

  <?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes" ?>
- <dsStates xmlns="http://www.tempuri.org/DataSet1.xsd">
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>2</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Puebla</ST_State>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>54</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alberta</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AB</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>66</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Aguascalientes</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AGS</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>4</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alaska</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AK</ST_Abrev>

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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.126.1325093949.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

table in SQL Server to an XML file on the disk.

This .Net is cool stuff!

  <?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes" ?>
- <dsStates xmlns="http://www.tempuri.org/DataSet1.xsd">
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>2</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Puebla</ST_State>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>54</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alberta</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AB</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>66</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Aguascalientes</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AGS</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>4</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alaska</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AK</ST_Abrev>

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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.127.1325093949.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

table in SQL Server to an XML file on the disk.

This .Net is cool stuff!

  <?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes" ?>
- <dsStates xmlns="http://www.tempuri.org/DataSet1.xsd">
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>2</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Puebla</ST_State>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>54</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alberta</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AB</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>66</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Aguascalientes</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AGS</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>4</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alaska</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AK</ST_Abrev>

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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.128.1325093949.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

table in SQL Server to an XML file on the disk.

This .Net is cool stuff!

  <?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes" ?>
- <dsStates xmlns="http://www.tempuri.org/DataSet1.xsd">
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>2</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Puebla</ST_State>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>54</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alberta</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AB</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>66</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Aguascalientes</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AGS</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>4</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alaska</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AK</ST_Abrev>

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table in SQL Server to an XML file on the disk.

This .Net is cool stuff!

  <?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes" ?>
- <dsStates xmlns="http://www.tempuri.org/DataSet1.xsd">
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>2</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Puebla</ST_State>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>54</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alberta</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AB</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>66</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Aguascalientes</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AGS</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>4</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alaska</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AK</ST_Abrev>

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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
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table in SQL Server to an XML file on the disk.

This .Net is cool stuff!

  <?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes" ?>
- <dsStates xmlns="http://www.tempuri.org/DataSet1.xsd">
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>2</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Puebla</ST_State>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>54</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alberta</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AB</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>66</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Aguascalientes</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AGS</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>4</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alaska</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AK</ST_Abrev>

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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.131.1325093950.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

table in SQL Server to an XML file on the disk.

This .Net is cool stuff!

  <?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes" ?>
- <dsStates xmlns="http://www.tempuri.org/DataSet1.xsd">
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>2</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Puebla</ST_State>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>54</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alberta</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AB</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>66</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Aguascalientes</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AGS</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>4</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alaska</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AK</ST_Abrev>

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.132.1325093953.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Joe K Anderson=20
To: Joe Anderson ; Barry Hynum ; Bob Heygood ; Dixon Foss ; Ed Lance ; =
Greg Otero ; Rocky Smolin ; Tim Henning ; Wayne Warren-Angelucci=20
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: Fw: Feb 2003 Access-VB-SQL, pg 10 'Database Problem'


Guys ... FYI ....

joe

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Joe K Anderson=20
To: mikegroh at earthlink.net=20
Sent: 03-17-2003 23:02
Subject: Feb 2003 Access-VB-SQL, pg 10 'Database Problem'


Hi Mike ...

Thanks for continuing to be involved with a high quality magazine like =
Access-VB-SQL.  In fact I have every issue since day one.

Regarding the "Error Accessing File.  Network Connection may have been =
lost" problem:

The good news is that is has nothing to do with networks, split MDB's, =
LDB's etc.  It's a totally bogus error message. =20

The bad news is the mdb is *usually* corrupted beyond repair ... even =
the 'decompile' trick does not fix it, nor does the JetComp utility.  =
The code behind a form(s) and/or code in a VBA module(s) is corrupted.  =
Odd, because Decompile fixes about 99% of all VBA corruption problems

In Office 2000, there is a certain version of the Vbe6.dll that causes =
the problem

This knowledge base article gives all the details.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;en-us;304548


I indicated *usually* above because I was never able to fix the =
corruption with any trick I was aware of.  I don't recall the original =
KB article discussing any resolutions ... just mentioning the DLL and to =
get Office 2000 Service Pack 3 ... which *did* fix the problem. =20

The bottom line usually was just as Microsoft states at the bottom of =
'RESOLUTION':

"If you do not have a computer without the version of Vbe6.dll mentioned =
in the "Cause" section, you must revert to a known good backup copy of =
the database. To prevent this problem from happening again, use one of =
the following methods, depending on which version of Access you are =
using."

BTW .. neither of the 'Methods' mentioned were 100% reliable!!

Anyway ... since I've had first hand experience with this ugly problem =
.. I thought I would pass this info on to you.

Joe Anderson
AllData, Inc.
www.alldatacorp.com
858.270.4400
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From a friend.&nbsp; FYI.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rocky Smolin<BR>Beach Access =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
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Henning</A> ; <A title=3Dwayne.warren at adelphia.net=20
href=3D"mailto:wayne.warren at adelphia.net">Wayne Warren-Angelucci</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 17, 2003 11:03 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Fw: Feb 2003 Access-VB-SQL, pg 10 'Database=20
Problem'</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Guys ... FYI ....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>joe</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dja at alldatacorp.com href=3D"mailto:ja at alldatacorp.com">Joe K =
Anderson</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dmikegroh at earthlink.net=20
href=3D"mailto:mikegroh at earthlink.net">mikegroh at earthlink.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> 03-17-2003 23:02</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Feb 2003 Access-VB-SQL, pg 10 'Database=20
Problem'</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hi Mike ...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for continuing to be involved with a high quality magazine =
like=20
Access-VB-SQL.&nbsp; In fact I&nbsp;have every issue since day =
one.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Regarding the "<STRONG>Error Accessing File.&nbsp; Network =
Connection may=20
have been lost"</STRONG> problem:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The good news is that is has nothing to do with =
networks,=20
split MDB's, LDB's etc.&nbsp;&nbsp;It's a totally bogus error =
message.&nbsp;=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The bad news is the mdb is *usually* corrupted =
beyond repair=20
... even the 'decompile' trick does not fix it, nor does the JetComp=20
utility.&nbsp; The code behind a form(s) and/or code in a VBA module(s) =
is=20
corrupted.&nbsp; Odd, because Decompile fixes about 99% of all VBA =
corruption=20
problems</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>In Office 2000, there is a certain version of the =
Vbe6.dll=20
that causes the problem</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>This knowledge base article gives all the=20
details.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;en-us;304548"=
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;en-us;304548</A></FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I indicated *usually* above because I was never able =
to fix=20
the corruption with any trick I was aware of.&nbsp; I don't recall the =
original=20
KB article discussing any resolutions ... just mentioning the DLL and to =
get=20
Office 2000 Service Pack 3 ... which *did* fix the problem.&nbsp; =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The bottom line&nbsp;usually was just as Microsoft =
states at=20
the bottom of 'RESOLUTION':</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM>"If you do not have a computer without the version of Vbe6.dll=20
mentioned in the "Cause" section, <STRONG><FONT color=3D#ff0000>you must =
revert to=20
a known good backup copy of the database</FONT></STRONG>. To prevent =
this=20
problem from happening again, use one of the following methods, =
depending on=20
which version of Access you are using."</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>BTW .. neither of the 'Methods' mentioned were 100% =
reliable!!</DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Anyway ... since I've had first hand experience&nbsp;with this ugly =
problem=20
.. I thought I would pass this info on to you.</DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Joe Anderson<BR>AllData, Inc.<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.alldatacorp.com">www.alldatacorp.com</A><BR>858.270.44=
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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.133.1325093953.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

that=20
        person, including the public key, is stored in the contact =
info.&nbsp;=20
        Obvious this isn't going to work as expected with the list since =
the=20
        message is retransmitted.&nbsp; In fact I have no idea what is =
going to=20
        happen in this case, we shall just have to wait and =
see.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That public key from the contact =
can then be=20
        used to encrypt email and theoretically an attachment as =
well.&nbsp;=20
        Since the public key is stored in the contact record, it is used =
for the=20
        encryption, and the message (and attachments) can only be =
decoded by the=20
        matching private key.&nbsp; I.e. automatic digital signature and =
easy to=20
        use (though not automatic) encryption of messages.&nbsp; Since =
your=20
        friend's certificate is stored with his contact info on your =
computer,=20
        any email and attachments sent to him can be encrypted using his =
public=20
        key.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I say easy to use though not =
automatic=20
        encryption because in order to encrypt a given message you have =
to go to=20
        the properties of that message and select encryption.&nbsp; =
There is=20
        however an option to encrypt all messages.&nbsp; I assume that =
if the=20
        contact selected as the recipient has no certificate, no =
encryption=20
        takes place, so it appears that maybe a totally automatic / =
always on=20
        encryption scheme can take place with any contacts that you have =

        received and stored a certificate for.&nbsp; However... I tested =
this...=20
        if you send an encrypted message to a contact with a certificate =
in your=20
        contact book, and CC a contact without a certificate, the =
message is=20
        encrypted.&nbsp; You are warned that the person without a =
certificate=20
        will not be able to see the message (because it is encrypted) =
and that=20
        does indeed happen.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway, I have always wanted to =
have this=20
        capability.&nbsp; I have contacts with clients that should be =
kept=20
        confidential, for example transferring BE databases that contain =

        customer data to me for my work at my home office etc.&nbsp; The =
ability=20
        to encrypt these things is or should be important.&nbsp; I =
understand=20
        that there are now laws that state that if you transmit people's =
SSNs=20
        across the internet you must take specific precautions or you =
are=20
        breaking the law.&nbsp; I haven't seen this law, but I know that =
certain=20
        insurance companies I deal with are starting to get touchy about =
sending=20
        data files to me with the SSNs in them.&nbsp; Perhaps this =
security will=20
        help in these situations.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I thought you guys might be =
interested in=20
        what I have figured out.&nbsp; First of all there is a company =
that=20
        provides FREE personal email certificates.&nbsp; Most such =
companies=20
        charge a small fee for them.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
        =
href=3D"http://www.thawte.com/html/COMMUNITY/personal/index.html"=20
        =
target=3D_blank>http://www.thawte.com/html/COMMUNITY/personal/index.html<=
/A></FONT>=20
        </P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In order to get this you have to =
fill out a=20
        form with your address, phone and one personal ID number - SSN, =
Drivers=20
        License Number or Passport Number.&nbsp; Basically after =
following the=20
        process you are sent an email to the email address you provide =
them that=20
        contains a "ping" hotlink that you have to click on which then =
tells=20
        them you received the email and you are then issued the=20
        certificate.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway, I just thought I'd let =
you know that=20
        free certs are available, are reasonably easy to obtain, and =
reasonably=20
        easy to get working.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John W. Colby</FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2>Colby Consulting</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2>www.ColbyConsulting.com</FONT> </P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial=20
        =
size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------</FONT>=20
        <BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is email taking over your =
day?&nbsp; Manage=20
        your time with eMailBoss.&nbsp; </FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Try=20
        it free!&nbsp; <A href=3D"http://www.eMailBoss.com"=20
        target=3D_blank>http://www.eMailBoss.com</A></FONT>=20
    </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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    <HR>
    </DIV>
    <DIV>Is email taking over your day? Manage your time with eMailBoss. =
Try it=20
    free! <A=20
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.134.1325093956.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Replication Object and some code, but I was looking for a user friendly
way of doing this.  Have you had any experience with managing
synchronization this way?

 

Doug

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access XP Developer and replication manager

 

Replication manager is an administrative tool, not an end user tool.
The users of your app will be able to synchronize without any kind of
replication manager because replicas have the capability of
synchronizing built in.

 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:54 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP Developer and replication manager

Hi List,

I have what seem like a simple question but I don't seem to be able to
find the answer.  I have Office XP Developer.  I am looking at the use
of replication to keep several users synchronized on a really slow
network plus be able to synchronize lap tops when they dial in.  I got
interested in this method after reading Arthur Fuller's article in
"Inside Microsoft Access", March edition.  I also read the chapter in
the ADH on replication to get additional information.  What I have been
trying to determine is can I distribute the Replication Manager tool
that comes with the Developer Edition with my database.  It seems like
this is the easiest way to set up the replication and synchronization
schedule on the users system.  I found an article on the web for access
97 that seems to indicate that Replication Manager is distributable but
nothing on XP and have found nothing in any of my XP literature of help
files.

Has anyone had experience with this tool and been able to distribute it
or does the user need to have the MOD on their machine?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Doug


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thank you.&nbsp; I guess my =
ignorance is
going to show here but that is how I learn, sometimes.&nbsp; My =
objective, I
think, is to have the replication manager on the user&#8217;s system so =
I can
set up the replicas on the various computers and set up the =
synchronization
schedule.&nbsp; From what I understand if I use the Access menu I can =
make the
replicas and put them on the various computers but I can not get =
automatic
synchronization, or indirect synchronization.&nbsp; It seems like a real =
waste
to put the full developer edition on a computer just to get the =
replication
manager tool, but this is a MS product.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>From the ADH it looks like I could =
do
everything through use of the Jet Replication Object and some code, but =
I was
looking for a user friendly way of doing this.&nbsp; Have you had any
experience with managing synchronization this way?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com =
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Charlotte Foust<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 20, =
2003
12:57 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
accessd at databaseadvisors.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [AccessD] =
Access XP
Developer and replication manager</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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color=3Dblue
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:blue'>Replication manager is an administrative tool, not an end =
user
tool.&nbsp; The users of your app will be able to synchronize without =
any kind
of replication manager because replicas have the capability of =
synchronizing
built in.</span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:blue'>Charlotte Foust</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Doug Murphy
[mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 20, =
2003
12:54 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
accessd at databaseadvisors.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [AccessD] Access =
XP
Developer and replication manager</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><!-- Converted from =
text/rtf format -->Hi
List,</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I have what seem =
like a
simple question but I don't seem to be able to find the answer.&nbsp; I =
have
Office XP Developer.&nbsp; I am looking at the use of replication to =
keep
several users</span></font> <font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>synchronized</span></font> <font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>on
a really slow network plus be able to synchronize lap tops when they =
dial
in.&nbsp; I got interested in this method after reading Arthur Fuller's =
article</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>in</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&quot;Inside
Microsoft Access&quot;, March edition.&nbsp;</span></font> <font =
size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I
also read the chapter in the ADH on replication to get additional
information.&nbsp;</span></font> <font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>What I have been =
trying to
determine is can I distribute the Replication Manager tool that comes =
with the
Developer Edition with my database.&nbsp; It seems like this is the =
easiest way
to set up the replication and synchronization schedule on the =
users</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>system.&nbsp;
I found an article on the web for access 97 that seems to indicate that
Replication Manager is distributable but nothing on XP and have =
found</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>nothing</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>in
any of my XP literature of help files.</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Has anyone had =
experience
with this tool and been able to distribute it or does the user need to =
have the
MOD on their machine?</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Thanks in advance =
for your
assistance.</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.135.1325093956.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Replication Object and some code, but I was looking for a user friendly
way of doing this.  Have you had any experience with managing
synchronization this way?

 

Doug

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:57 PM

To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com

Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access XP Developer and replication manager

 

Replication manager is an administrative tool, not an end user tool.
The users of your app will be able to synchronize without any kind of
replication manager because replicas have the capability of
synchronizing built in.

 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----

From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com] 

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:54 PM

To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com

Subject: [AccessD] Access XP Developer and replication manager

Hi List,

I have what seem like a simple question but I don't seem to be able to
find the answer.  I have Office XP Developer.  I am looking at the use
of replication to keep several users synchronized on a really slow
network plus be able to synchronize lap tops when they dial in.  I got
interested in this method after reading Arthur Fuller's article in
"Inside Microsoft Access", March edition. I also read the chapter in the
ADH on replication to get additional information. What I have been
trying to determine is can I distribute the Replication Manager tool
that comes with the Developer Edition with my database.  It seems like
this is the easiest way to set up the replication and synchronization
schedule on the users system.  I found an article on the web for access
97 that seems to indicate that Replication Manager is distributable but
nothing on XP and have found nothing in any of my XP literature of help
files.

Has anyone had experience with this tool and been able to distribute it
or does the user need to have the MOD on their machine?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Doug


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thank you.</span></font></p>

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<br>
Now I use dial up connections and indirect synchronization.&nbsp; I =
distribute
replication manager as part of the installation and once it is =
configured on
the users machines they are (mostly) able to follow the simple =
synchronization
process using it.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That is the answer I was searching =
for;
you can distribute the replication manager as part of the runtime.&nbsp; =
</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>How do you do the indirect =
synchronization
over a modem?&nbsp; That is another task I need to do.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Doug</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
<br>
I am not sure about XP but would be pretty certain that it would be
distributable as well.<br>
<br>
David Emerson<br>
Dalyn Software Ltd<br>
</span></font>New Zealand<br>
<br>
At 20/03/2003, you wrote:<br>
<br>
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:blue'>No, I haven't.&nbsp; When I've used replication, I didn't =
try to do
it on a schedule because I had no control over the users' =
schedules.&nbsp;
Procedurally, our users were instructed to sync their replica at the =
beginning
of each session to get the latest updates and at the end of a session to =
upload
their own changes.&nbsp; You could set up code to sync the database when =
they
opened it, but there is at least a slight delay involved with =
that.</span></font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Charlotte =
Foust</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>From: Doug Murphy [<a
href=3D"mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com" =
eudora=3Dautourl>mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com</a>]
</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Sent: </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Thursday, March
 20, 2003</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>1:36 PM</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>To: =
accessd at databaseadvisors.com</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Subject:
RE: [AccessD] Access XP Developer and replication =
manager</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
  font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Charlotte</span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>,</span></font></=
p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thank you.&nbsp; I guess my ignorance is =
going to
show here but that is how I learn, sometimes.&nbsp; My objective, I =
think, is
to have the replication manager on the users system so I can set up the
replicas on the various computers and set up the synchronization =
schedule.&nbsp;

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Wed Dec 28 11:38:03 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.136.1325093956.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

and put
them on the various computers but I can not get automatic =
synchronization, or
indirect synchronization.&nbsp; It seems like a real waste to put the =
full
developer edition on a computer just to get the replication manager =
tool, but
this is a MS product.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>From the ADH it looks like I could do =
everything
through use of the Jet Replication Object and some code, but I was =
looking for
a user friendly way of doing this.&nbsp; Have you had any experience =
with
managing synchronization this way?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Doug</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>From:
accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com [<a
href=3D"mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com" =
eudora=3Dautourl>mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com</a>]
On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Sent: </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Thursday, March
 20, 2003</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>12:57 =
PM</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>To: =
accessd at databaseadvisors.com</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Subject:
RE: [AccessD] Access XP Developer and replication =
manager</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Replication manager is an
administrative tool, not an end user tool.&nbsp; The users of your app =
will be
able to synchronize without any kind of replication manager because =
replicas
have the capability of synchronizing built in.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Charlotte =
Foust</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>From: Doug Murphy [<a
href=3D"mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com" =
eudora=3Dautourl>mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com</a>]
</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Sent: </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Thursday, March
 20, 2003</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>12:54 =
PM</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>To: =
accessd at databaseadvisors.com</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Subject:
[AccessD] Access XP Developer and replication manager</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Hi List,</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>I have what seem like a simple question but I =
don't
seem to be able to find the answer.&nbsp; I have Office XP =
Developer.&nbsp; I
am looking at the use of replication to keep several users</span></font> =
<font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>synchronized</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>on
a really slow network plus be able to synchronize lap tops when they =
dial
in.&nbsp; I got interested in this method after reading Arthur Fuller's =
article</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>in</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&quot;Inside
Microsoft Access&quot;, March edition. I also read the chapter in the =
ADH on
replication to get additional information. What I have been trying to =
determine
is can I distribute the Replication Manager tool that comes with the =
Developer
Edition with my database.&nbsp; It seems like this is the easiest way to =
set up
the replication and synchronization schedule on the users</span></font> =
<font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>system.&nbsp;
I found an article on the web for access 97 that seems to indicate that
Replication Manager is distributable but nothing on XP and have =
found</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>nothing</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>in
any of my XP literature of help files.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Has anyone had experience with this tool and =
been
able to distribute it or does the user need to have the MOD on their =
machine?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Thanks in advance for your =
assistance.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:38:03 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.137.1325093956.27294.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

     I've moved into VB for the last 6 months and would have paid almost
anything for an Access to Vb
     book.  Eg. Combo Box.  What a pain in VB.  Can't tell you how long
this took me to figure out.
     Makes me want to find one of the Access guys at Microsoft and give
them my first born child (I
     know, I know - she's a teenager and that's a punishment worse than
death to inflict on anyone but
     the thought is grateful.)

     I find that I know exactly what I want to do in Access but the
differences are often difficult to figure
     out.


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Dec  1 04:11:42 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:11:42 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 ?Ice Cream Sandwich? on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-powered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......



From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Thu Dec  1 08:59:53 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:59:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com><4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Not if it includes this:

http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html

Rusty
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-powered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
> >>> Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
> >>> programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
> >>> to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
> >>>> multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
> >>>> mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
> >> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
> >> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  1 09:16:07 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 10:16:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com><4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <4ED79A37.70008@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, yea what a scandal! 8o

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 9:59 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> Not if it includes this:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html
>
> Rusty
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> Hi John at all,
>
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-powered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
>>>> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>>>>> Shamil,
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
>>>>> Droid
>>>> has wonderful voice
>>>>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
>>>>> programming
>>>> I pretty much type 99% the
>>>>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code
>>>>> to my
>>>> computer is something that is
>>>>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>>>>> Darryl --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
>>>>>> multi-touch
>>>> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>>>>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally
>>>>>> mounted
>>>> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
>>>> that's another technological revolution of the ways of
>>>> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>>>> communication with them...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>>>
> ......
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 10:41:22 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:41:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.

With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux a
lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually none.
That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
domination.

But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at say
$100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.

Jim
   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 11:05:18 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:05:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <71F8BD42B7C64BE1A2CEA7BC6A10C8E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The problem is that so far there is no way to remove it.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Not if it includes this:

http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html

Rusty
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
> >>> Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
> >>> programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
> >>> to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
> >>>> multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
> >>>> mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
> >> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
> >> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Dec  1 11:08:16 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:08:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>

I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
meant. Why? 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.



From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 11:09:07 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:09:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>

$400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
lots of places for under $200. $189 here

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5213938

Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
version of Professional is $139.99

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5213934

GK

2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> These are interesting times...
>
> A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
> cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
> and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
> go out and buy another piece of hardware.
>
> Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
> their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
> do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
> the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.
>
> With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
> directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux a
> lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually none.
> That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> domination.
>
> But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at say
> $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
> PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> Hi John at all,
>
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer" ?- Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
>> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>> >>> Shamil,
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice. ?My
> Droid
>> >> has wonderful voice
>> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive. ?IOW when I am
> programming
>> >> I pretty much type 99% the
>> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over. ?Dictating code to my
>> >> computer is something that is
>> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>> >>>
>> >>> John W. Colby
>> >>> Colby Consulting
>> >>>
>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> >>> when you do not believe in it
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>> >>>> Darryl --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> multi-touch
>> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
>> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
>> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
>> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>> >> communication with them...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -- Shamil
>> >>>>
> ......
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 12:00:33 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:00:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>

In all the box stores around here, Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy and even
Costco, the last price I saw (yesterday) was $379 plus taxes which puts it
up to about $420. 

There are upgrades from Pro versions to Ultimate versions which can be had
for a mere $189 plus tax; $210

You will have to send me one of these super cheap copies.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

$400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
lots of places for under $200. $189 here

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
213938

Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
version of Professional is $139.99

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
213934

GK

2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> These are interesting times...
>
> A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded
version
> cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows
preloaded
> and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having
to
> go out and buy another piece of hardware.
>
> Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux
in
> their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP
computers
> do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
> the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is
upgraded.
>
> With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
> directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux a
> lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually
none.
> That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> domination.
>
> But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
say
> $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
> PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> Hi John at all,
>
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer" ?- Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
>
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
>> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>> >>> Shamil,
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice. ?My
> Droid
>> >> has wonderful voice
>> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive. ?IOW when I am
> programming
>> >> I pretty much type 99% the
>> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over. ?Dictating code to
my
>> >> computer is something that is
>> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>> >>>
>> >>> John W. Colby
>> >>> Colby Consulting
>> >>>
>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> >>> when you do not believe in it
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>> >>>> Darryl --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> multi-touch
>> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
>> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
>> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
>> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>> >> communication with them...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -- Shamil
>> >>>>
> ......
>
> --
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>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 12:08:39 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:08:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The client wants a full version of Office, word and excel for cheap and they
have been hearing how fast a Linux server is. Two years ago they would have
never said such a thing. Linux, if they even cared about it, was just for
geeks. Now they are asking. Android has changed all that.

I have not decided what to tell them yet but if dollars are a concern stick
with XP until you need new computers would be my first thought.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
meant. Why? 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 12:26:12 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:26:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWYUoG+-r5JXWQyRRO-OutcWnhMGuttYyAEJab=5+VG=jw@mail.gmail.com>

OEM versions are running 189 at New egg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100006907&isNodeId=1&Description=windows+7+ultimate&x=0&y=0


2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>

> In all the box stores around here, Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy and even
> Costco, the last price I saw (yesterday) was $379 plus taxes which puts it
> up to about $420.
>
> There are upgrades from Pro versions to Ultimate versions which can be had
> for a mere $189 plus tax; $210
>
> You will have to send me one of these super cheap copies.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> $400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
> lots of places for under $200. $189 here
>
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213938
>
> Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
> version of Professional is $139.99
>
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213934
>
> GK
>
> 2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > These are interesting times...
> >
> > A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded
> version
> > cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows
> preloaded
> > and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having
> to
> > go out and buy another piece of hardware.
> >
> > Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux
> in
> > their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP
> computers
> > do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
> > the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is
> upgraded.
> >
> > With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
> > directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux
> a
> > lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually
> none.
> > That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> > domination.
> >
> > But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
> say
> > $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying
> the
> > PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> > Shamil
> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> >
> > Hi John at all,
> >
> > How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
> > Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> >
> >
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> > ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> >
> > -- Shamil
> >
> >
> >> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >> >>> Shamil,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
> > Droid
> >> >> has wonderful voice
> >> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
> > programming
> >> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code to
> my
> >> >> computer is something that is
> >> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> John W. Colby
> >> >>> Colby Consulting
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >> >>>> Darryl --
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> > multi-touch
> >> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
> >> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
> that's
> >> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
> >> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> >> communication with them...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thank you.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -- Shamil
> >> >>>>
> > ......
> >
> > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
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>
>
>
> --
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> garykjos at gmail.com
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 13:00:51 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:00:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWYUoG+-r5JXWQyRRO-OutcWnhMGuttYyAEJab=5+VG=jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAMhYZWYUoG+-r5JXWQyRRO-OutcWnhMGuttYyAEJab=5+VG=jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iXh3yPk_-kAV4KFJ86iLHzQBGmhQWVmri98ecqDLAwiA@mail.gmail.com>

Assuming the availability of a big backup disk (very cheap now, 1TB for
less than $100), then I'd opt for DriveImaging the Win 7 boot disk and then
replacing the OS with Linux Mint 12 or Ubuntu 11.10, and after that
mounging XP and/or Win7 as VMs inside Oracle VirtualBox. In fact that is
precisely my plan to execute over the Christmas holidays. I'm still
teaching myself C#, with the help of several books, and that's one VM;
another is dedicated to my sole remaining Access+Word+Excel=Office
Automation client, and there's an Ubuntu VM too. I don't run them all at
once, of course; just when I need to or want to.

BTW, I think that Mint 12 is pretty slick!
A.


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Dec  1 13:32:27 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:32:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <71F8BD42B7C64BE1A2CEA7BC6A10C8E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<71F8BD42B7C64BE1A2CEA7BC6A10C8E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <89550E0E-8934-434E-A641-5D240C07C51E@phulse.com>

That's not strictly true. There is a popular alternative firmware of android (or "distro", I suppose you could call it) called cyanogenmod (http://www.cyanogenmod.com/). It should be fairly trivial on many android phones (or most?) to install this alternative, clean firmware and it frees your phone from vendor specific nastiness (funny how android vendors are following the same path as the pc world with HP style software bundling) plus throws in a bunch of nice features on top of that.

The only problem is that it is still only using gingerbread. They are working on an icecream sandwich version now tho.

I hear a lot of android users raving on about it, so it seems to have a popular support, and it's free & open source.

There's a list of devices that it supports on its wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod

Happy jail breaking.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen

-- Sent from my iPad






On 1 Dec 2011, at 09:05, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> The problem is that so far there is no way to remove it.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Not if it includes this:
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Hi John at all,
> 
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> 
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
>>>> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>>>>> Shamil,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
>>>>> Droid
>>>> has wonderful voice
>>>>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
>>>>> programming
>>>> I pretty much type 99% the
>>>>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
>>>>> to my
>>>> computer is something that is
>>>>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>>>>> Darryl --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
>>>>>> multi-touch
>>>> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>>>>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
>>>>>> mounted
>>>> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
>>>> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
>>>> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
> gestures and voice...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>>>> communication with them...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>>> 
> ......
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Dec  1 15:11:18 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:11:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <18C283CC3E1F4FC4BFA7C65B0F656D8A@XPS>

<<But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
say
$100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.>>

 The problem with them doing that is you don't end up buying new hardware
then.

 Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

<<Snip>>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  1 15:43:19 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:43:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>

When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the 
same thing?
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>
> Will download and have a look.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents.  Of course the copy is very light.  Is it possible to darken the washed out text with Paint.net without also darkening the background.  IOW increase the contrast but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
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>
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  1 15:59:09 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:59:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <000601ccb074$74bab5f0$5e3021d0$@net>

The "ultimate" question: difference between it and the Pro version ?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 1:01 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> In all the box stores around here, Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy and
> even
> Costco, the last price I saw (yesterday) was $379 plus taxes which puts
> it
> up to about $420.
>
> There are upgrades from Pro versions to Ultimate versions which can be
> had
> for a mere $189 plus tax; $210
>
> You will have to send me one of these super cheap copies.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> $400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
> lots of places for under $200. $189 here
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-
> details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213938
>
> Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
> version of Professional is $139.99
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-
> details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213934
>
> GK
>
> 2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > These are interesting times...
> >
> > A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded
> version
> > cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows
> preloaded
> > and now people are seriously looking at other options than always
> having
> to
> > go out and buy another piece of hardware.
> >
> > Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install
> Linux
> in
> > their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP
> computers
> > do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their
> case
> > the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is
> upgraded.
> >
> > With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will
> it
> > directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives
> Linux a
> > lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually
> none.
> > That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> > domination.
> >
> > But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows
> at
> say
> > $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be
> annoying the
> > PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Salakhetdinov
> > Shamil
> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> >
> > Hi John at all,
> >
> > How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer" ?- Android 4.0
> "Ice
> > Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> >
> >
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-
> android-pow
> > ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> >
> > -- Shamil
> >
> >
> >> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >> >>> Shamil,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.
> ?My
> > Droid
> >> >> has wonderful voice
> >> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive. ?IOW when I am
> > programming
> >> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over. ?Dictating code
> to
> my
> >> >> computer is something that is
> >> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> John W. Colby
> >> >>> Colby Consulting
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >> >>>> Darryl --
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> > multi-touch
> >> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using
> mouse...
> >> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally
> mounted
> >> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
> that's
> >> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating
> with
> >> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and
> voice...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and
> 3D
> >> >> communication with them...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thank you.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -- Shamil
> >> >>>>
> > ......
> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  1 16:02:29 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:02:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
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Not to my knowledge.

http://www.paint.net/


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 4:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP. Are they the same thing?
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>> Ditto, but it looks very nice. We use GIMP at work, but this (at a glance) looks better. Nice one
>> ! :) thanks.
>>
>> Will download and have a look.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>> Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents. Of course the copy is very light. Is
>> it possible to darken the washed out text with Paint.net without also darkening the background.
>> IOW increase the contrast but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> --
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>>
>>



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 16:03:50 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:03:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
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Try http://www.getpaint.net/index.html

Doug

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the
> same thing?
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
>
> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>
>> Will download and have a look.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[mailto:
>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents.  Of course
>> the copy is very light.  Is it possible to darken the washed out text with
>> Paint.net without also darkening the background.  IOW increase the contrast
>> but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> --
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>


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 17:00:12 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:00:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
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The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> When I try to find paint.net
>
> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>
>> Will download and have a look.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>>


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Dec  1 17:01:28 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:01:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED7F975.7010407@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<4ED7F975.7010407@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <8F312CA6-84B6-4AEA-954B-372468762FE4@phulse.com>


Paint.Net started as a little home project (in 2004) in learning the .NET Framework around the time that Microsoft was really starting to hype .NET. It eventually evolved into a sort of showcase and proof-of-concept of a decent and strictly .NET application.

The Gimp has a much longer history, beginning in the mid 90's, as an image editor on Unix.

The main difference between the two is that the Gimp has more advanced features and also is cross platform (Windows, Linux, Mac).

Paint.Net isn't quite as feature rich and only runs on Windows (I guess Windows XP and above, if you have .NET installed), but it also has more eye candy and a flashier interface (which can be a bit distracting in my opinion though).

Popularity-wise, I'd have to say that the Gimp has a bigger user base, but thats not saying much since they are both vastly dwarfed by Photoshop.

- Hans


On 2011-12-01, at 2:02 PM, jwcolby wrote:

> Not to my knowledge.
> 
> http://www.paint.net/
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/1/2011 4:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP. Are they the same thing?
>> T
>> 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>> Ditto, but it looks very nice. We use GIMP at work, but this (at a glance) looks better. Nice one
>>> ! :) thanks.
>>> 
>>> Will download and have a look.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Darryl.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Jim Lawrence
>>> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>> 
>>> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>> 
>>> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents. Of course the copy is very light. Is
>>> it possible to darken the washed out text with Paint.net without also darkening the background.
>>> IOW increase the contrast but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>> 
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
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>>> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 17:09:11 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:09:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <89550E0E-8934-434E-A641-5D240C07C51E@phulse.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<71F8BD42B7C64BE1A2CEA7BC6A10C8E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<89550E0E-8934-434E-A641-5D240C07C51E@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <776135A40CBB4EC1B10997D95CFA09BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Here is a vid on how to go through the steps to install the latest
'gingerbread' cyanogenmod 7 update. It does not even require the product to
be 'unlocked' which in some cases invalidates the operator/Cell Service
Provider agreement. The modification is also not in violation of Google's
agreement with reference to proprietary components...if you do have those
new components, they can backed up and restored without violating any
licensing agreements. (I have not looked up the methods to properly backup
and restore proprietary components, yet.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3thA9OWQc8

Sorry, to say there is not an 'ice-cream sandwich' version available, yet
but, in most cases, unless you have the latest hardware, there are
insufficient resources to install and run that version.
 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

That's not strictly true. There is a popular alternative firmware of android
(or "distro", I suppose you could call it) called cyanogenmod
(http://www.cyanogenmod.com/). It should be fairly trivial on many android
phones (or most?) to install this alternative, clean firmware and it frees
your phone from vendor specific nastiness (funny how android vendors are
following the same path as the pc world with HP style software bundling)
plus throws in a bunch of nice features on top of that.

The only problem is that it is still only using gingerbread. They are
working on an icecream sandwich version now tho.

I hear a lot of android users raving on about it, so it seems to have a
popular support, and it's free & open source.

There's a list of devices that it supports on its wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod

Happy jail breaking.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen

-- Sent from my iPad






On 1 Dec 2011, at 09:05, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> The problem is that so far there is no way to remove it.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Not if it includes this:
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Hi John at all,
> 
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> 
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
>>>> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>>>>> Shamil,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
>>>>> Droid
>>>> has wonderful voice
>>>>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
>>>>> programming
>>>> I pretty much type 99% the
>>>>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
>>>>> to my
>>>> computer is something that is
>>>>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>>>>> Darryl --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
>>>>>> multi-touch
>>>> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>>>>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
>>>>>> mounted
>>>> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
>>>> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
>>>> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
> gestures and voice...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>>>> communication with them...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>>> 
> ......
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 17:12:57 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:12:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <18C283CC3E1F4FC4BFA7C65B0F656D8A@XPS>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<18C283CC3E1F4FC4BFA7C65B0F656D8A@XPS>
Message-ID: <A232AEE3C579423180EE73AECC8819BB@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Of course, so lowering the price of their separate or non-OEM packages would
not adversely affect their OEM hardware distributors, as the user would most
likely have to buy new hardware anyway.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

<<But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
say
$100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.>>

 The problem with them doing that is you don't end up buying new hardware
then.

 Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.

Jim. 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

<<Snip>>

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  1 17:20:53 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:20:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>

Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the 
same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by 
following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near 
the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to 
click the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this 
journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>
>> When I try to find paint.net
>>
>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>
>>> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>
>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Darryl.
>>>
>>>


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 17:28:32 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:28:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>

I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near the
> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>>
>>  When I try to find paint.net
>>>
>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Darryl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Thu Dec  1 17:44:07 2011
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:44:07 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>

I think this is just a case of a really poor and confusing website layout 
design.

The bit towards the top right, where it says:
"Get it now (free download)
Paint.NET v 3.5.10"
... that's the bit that is relevant to the Paint.Net download.

The big button underneath that, green, with "Download" - that's part of a 
big square advertisement that (for me at the moment) relates to FoxTab PDF 
Creator.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Doug Steele
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net

I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near 
> the
> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>>
>>  When I try to find paint.net
>>>
>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Darryl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec  1 18:55:20 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:55:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] FW: FW:  Windows 8
Message-ID: <BCCE4AA38F4747E8882A3ECD29B3EA79@HAL9007>

>From my son. 
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

  _____  

From: Noah Sutton-Smolin [mailto:heedleblambeedle at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:13 PM
To: Rocky Smolin
Subject: Re: FW: [AccessD] Windows 8


Droid X is CIQ-Free 

2011/12/1 Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>


Does your phone run Carrier IQ in the background?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Not if it includes this:

http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
<http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-po
wered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101> 
ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
> >>> Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
> >>> programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code
> >>> to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> >>>> multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally
> >>>> mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
> >> that's another technological revolution of the ways of
> >> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  2 06:00:32 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:00:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@t
	orchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com><CAFa8NkhP=gAh
	BLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <4ED8BDE0.7000702@torchlake.com>

Steve,
You're right.  I left out that part, didn't I?  ALMOST all the big green 
arrows were for GIMP, but one, right under the Paint.NET real link was 
another big green arrow for FoxTab PDF Creator.  I agree with you that 
the website layout is poor and confusing.  But, as I said, I persevered 
and finally got Paint.net.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/1/2011 6:44 PM, Steve Schapel wrote:
> I think this is just a case of a really poor and confusing website 
> layout design.
>
> The bit towards the top right, where it says:
> "Get it now (free download)
> Paint.NET v 3.5.10"
> ... that's the bit that is relevant to the Paint.Net download.
>
> The big button underneath that, green, with "Download" - that's part 
> of a big square advertisement that (for me at the moment) relates to 
> FoxTab PDF Creator.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Doug Steele
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
>> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
>> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table 
>> near the
>> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to 
>> click
>> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
>> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a 
>>> site
>>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  When I try to find paint.net
>>>>
>>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>>> T
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Darryl.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  --
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>>
>> Website: 
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>>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  2 06:02:02 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:02:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@t
	orchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8BE3A.4030002@torchlake.com>

Hi Doug,
Yes, that is the site they point to.  It's just really badly laid out.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/1/2011 6:28 PM, Doug Steele wrote:
> I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>
>> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
>> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
>> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near the
>> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
>> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
>> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   When I try to find paint.net
>>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>>> T
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Darryl.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   --
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  2 06:40:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:40:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>

This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download someone else's program.  they 
apparently get paid for clicks so they intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally make 
the big green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few cents of you go there, 
even if you just immediately click your back button.

Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the same place where all the big
> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the
> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click the free
> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.
> What a strange experience.
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  2 06:40:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:40:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <4ED8C743.40302@colbyconsulting.com>

No, I think it is intentional.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 6:44 PM, Steve Schapel wrote:
> I think this is just a case of a really poor and confusing website layout design.
>
> The bit towards the top right, where it says:
> "Get it now (free download)
> Paint.NET v 3.5.10"
> ... that's the bit that is relevant to the Paint.Net download.
>
> The big button underneath that, green, with "Download" - that's part of a big square advertisement
> that (for me at the moment) relates to FoxTab PDF Creator.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Doug Steele
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> I see what you mean. The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
>> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP. However, by
>> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near the
>> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
>> the free link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the
>> big green arrows all were for GIMP. What a strange experience.
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>>> that WOT is less than thrilled with. What's going on?
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> When I try to find paint.net
>>>>
>>>> for download, I find GIMP. Are they the same thing?
>>>> T
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ditto, but it looks very nice. We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>>> glance) looks better. Nice one ! :) thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Darryl.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  2 07:03:38 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:03:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4
	_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>

What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download 
> someone else's program.  they apparently get paid for clicks so they 
> intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally make the big 
> green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few 
> cents of you go there, even if you just immediately click your back 
> button.
>
> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to 
>> the same place where all the big
>> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and 
>> clicking on the dotpdn button in the
>> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where 
>> small text says to click the free
>> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big 
>> green arrows all were for GIMP.
>> What a strange experience.
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  2 07:22:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:22:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4
	_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8D113.4070204@colbyconsulting.com>

 > What a goofy way to make a living! :-)

LOL, yep.  Most of the time the text next to the big green button clearly states that it is for some 
other program but we are at that page to download some specific thing and out brain just tells us 
that nobody is intentionally going to try and trick us.

Well guess what, someone is PAID to trick us.

I find the whole thing extremely annoying.  It usually takes a fair amount of time to figure out 
where to click to actually get what you want.  Often times when you finally do discover the right 
place to click, it takes you to another page where the process begins all over.

Paying anyone for clicks on their page that send people to my page breeds all kinds of scams but 
that is the way the internet works.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/2/2011 8:03 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download someone else's program. they
>> apparently get paid for clicks so they intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally
>> make the big green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few cents of you go
>> there, even if you just immediately click your back button.
>>
>> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the same place where all the big
>>> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the
>>> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click the free
>>> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.
>>> What a strange experience.
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Dec  2 07:28:40 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 05:28:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED8D113.4070204@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com> <CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4
	_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
	<4ED8D113.4070204@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <D98C7389-E685-4017-9FCC-5786AF04EF44@phulse.com>

Maybe the website operators aren't aware of it and the ads are being delivered by a third party ad network?

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 2 Dec 2011, at 05:22, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> > What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
> 
> LOL, yep.  Most of the time the text next to the big green button clearly states that it is for some other program but we are at that page to download some specific thing and out brain just tells us that nobody is intentionally going to try and trick us.
> 
> Well guess what, someone is PAID to trick us.
> 
> I find the whole thing extremely annoying.  It usually takes a fair amount of time to figure out where to click to actually get what you want.  Often times when you finally do discover the right place to click, it takes you to another page where the process begins all over.
> 
> Paying anyone for clicks on their page that send people to my page breeds all kinds of scams but that is the way the internet works.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/2/2011 8:03 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
>> T
>> 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>>> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download someone else's program. they
>>> apparently get paid for clicks so they intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally
>>> make the big green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few cents of you go
>>> there, even if you just immediately click your back button.
>>> 
>>> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>>> 
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>> 
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>> 
>>> On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the same place where all the big
>>>> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the
>>>> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click the free
>>>> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.
>>>> What a strange experience.
>>>> T
>>>> 
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 07:45:49 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:45:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com><4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <B6F0A8BAA7D14FB58571DF02F7AC1F30@SusanHarkins>

Passive income... the best kind! ;) 

I'll click for food... 

Susan H. 


> What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> 
> On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download 
>> someone else's program.  they apparently get paid for clicks so they 
>> intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally make the big 
>> green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few 
>> cents of you go there, even if you just immediately click your back 
>> button.
>>
>> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>>



From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 08:34:40 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:34:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>

Most of our machines are work are still running XP and Office 2003.
Works fine until you hit the row limits in Excel or something.   I've
never been a fan of upgrading operating systems - well not since the
DOS days anyway. The hardware requirements go up with each new version
and so you are usually not as happy with the new OS on old hardware as
you would be with the New OS on New hardware. With the price of
hardware as low as it is now I thinik it's a better choice to just
replace the enter box OS and all. If you need to upgrade at all that
is. The question is, what do they need to do that they can't do now?

GK

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> The client wants a full version of Office, word and excel for cheap and they
> have been hearing how fast a Linux server is. Two years ago they would have
> never said such a thing. Linux, if they even cared about it, was just for
> geeks. Now they are asking. Android has changed all that.
>
> I have not decided what to tell them yet but if dollars are a concern stick
> with XP until you need new computers would be my first thought.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:08 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
> meant. Why?

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  2 10:27:51 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:27:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem
Message-ID: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>

I have had occasion to create custom spread sheets from access table data
where TransferSpreadsheet wouldn't work.
 
After all of the rows have been written, I use: 
 
objXLWS.Columns("A:U").Columns.AutoFit 
 
and all of the columns automagically adjust their widths to fit the data so
when the user opens it up it looks real pretty and all the data is displayed
- column set to the width of the longest value in the column - but without a
lot of white space which you'd get if you tried to guess the column width
needed.
 
HTH somebody
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  2 10:29:04 2011
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:29:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Company name matching/standardization
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>,
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>,
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>,
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>


Hello All,
 
Anyone done any matching or standardization routines around company names?
 
Thanks,
 
Mark M.
 		 	   		  

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 10:33:29 2011
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:33:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Company name matching/standardization
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAsLj-SBOF8B-cX2VJrJbcmVoF6zQSoEOTjCZV5v2qYkOw@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

Can you give a little more info? What's the context? Are you looking for
Address etc.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> Hello All,
>
> Anyone done any matching or standardization routines around company names?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark M.
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Dec  2 12:24:38 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:24:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5441C45C-DD66-46D4-A008-B2841A18393C@phulse.com>



Not to mention the massive pollution to the environment by simply discarding computer hardware just to get that new upgrade to something new or run the latest version of Windows. It would be far better to recycle and repurpose computers you presently own, if you plan to upgrade your main desktop (ie. put linux on it or turn it into a media or web server or something like that), or give it away to someone else who can make use of it.

This is an oft neglected subject, simply because all the waste gets exported halfway across the world, where we don't have to see or deal with the effects of it ourselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMOAWW6I0k

- Hans






On 2011-12-02, at 6:34 AM, Gary Kjos wrote:

> Most of our machines are work are still running XP and Office 2003.
> Works fine until you hit the row limits in Excel or something.   I've
> never been a fan of upgrading operating systems - well not since the
> DOS days anyway. The hardware requirements go up with each new version
> and so you are usually not as happy with the new OS on old hardware as
> you would be with the New OS on New hardware. With the price of
> hardware as low as it is now I thinik it's a better choice to just
> replace the enter box OS and all. If you need to upgrade at all that
> is. The question is, what do they need to do that they can't do now?
> 
> GK
> 
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> The client wants a full version of Office, word and excel for cheap and they
>> have been hearing how fast a Linux server is. Two years ago they would have
>> never said such a thing. Linux, if they even cared about it, was just for
>> geeks. Now they are asking. Android has changed all that.
>> 
>> I have not decided what to tell them yet but if dollars are a concern stick
>> with XP until you need new computers would be my first thought.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:08 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>> 
>> I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
>> meant. Why?
> 
> -- 
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From edzedz at comcast.net  Fri Dec  2 12:47:22 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:47:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
Message-ID: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>

 
 Does anyone know where I can find some good name
 matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
 I can look into ?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Ed Zuris.
 edzedz at comcast.net
 
 
 


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 12:51:51 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:51:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>

I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 12:55:53 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:55:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem
In-Reply-To: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>
References: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_cg-CJD76FAcJTTz1bY4pZO3igQ-1NWbGPTKyBvQfEVg@mail.gmail.com>

Just curious.  What happens if one of the fields is a memo field?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I have had occasion to create custom spread sheets from access table data
> where TransferSpreadsheet wouldn't work.
>
> After all of the rows have been written, I use:
>
> objXLWS.Columns("A:U").Columns.AutoFit
>
> and all of the columns automagically adjust their widths to fit the data so
> when the user opens it up it looks real pretty and all the data is
> displayed
> - column set to the width of the longest value in the column - but without
> a
> lot of white space which you'd get if you tried to guess the column width
> needed.
>
> HTH somebody
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
>
> <http://www.bchacc.com/
>
> >
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>
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>
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Fri Dec  2 13:33:21 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:33:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>



 It might be.

 Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?

 Thanks.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
for?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
>
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 13:52:55 2011
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 14:52:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAsDMjt+e8ub5N14dv0Bm-pYNmWAaEc1PGY4kri1J9jQ6g@mail.gmail.com>

See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  2 13:55:48 2011
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 19:55:48 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Company name matching/standardization
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAsLj-SBOF8B-cX2VJrJbcmVoF6zQSoEOTjCZV5v2qYkOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>,
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>,
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>,
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>,
	<CAKvidAsLj-SBOF8B-cX2VJrJbcmVoF6zQSoEOTjCZV5v2qYkOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W53D40A2FDFFA6BA9A61EF0D2B60@phx.gbl>


Address standardization is everywhere...we us the postal service.
 
Even the first/last name is covered.
 
I'm specifically looking for company/business names.  I have found a few packages/services online...I was just wondering if anyone had any experience working with or writing VBA/SQL to accomplish something like this.
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte 
 

> From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:33:29 -0500
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Company name matching/standardization
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Can you give a little more info? What's the context? Are you looking for
> Address etc.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com>wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Anyone done any matching or standardization routines around company names?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark M.
> >
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec  2 14:02:12 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 15:02:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <001e01ccb12d$4864ec00$d92ec400$@net>

Ed - I once had a project to convert mis-spelled names and typical aliases
to a "standard name".
This client had inconsistent data coming from multiple sources. It had to be
consolidated.
It was pretty simple actually. I built a cross-reference table that
associated all alias's and mis-spellings to a single reference name.
Every month we'd run the matching process I developed, find more "drop outs"
(reference names with no matches),
And then just add them to the cross-reference table and re-run the reports.
I did this in Excel, but definitely doable in Access with a single table.

That's a table-driven approach.
Now if you want something more elegant and heuristic,
ask those two guys who started this small company with a funny name that
begins with a G.
They're pretty good at matching-up words.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:47 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
>
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Fri Dec  2 14:10:21 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:10:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <001e01ccb12d$4864ec00$d92ec400$@net>
Message-ID: <000b01ccb12e$6b974730$5bdea8c0@edz1>



 Thanks. . .


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


Ed - I once had a project to convert mis-spelled names and typical
aliases to a "standard name". This client had inconsistent data coming
from multiple sources. It had to be consolidated. It was pretty simple
actually. I built a cross-reference table that associated all alias's
and mis-spellings to a single reference name. Every month we'd run the
matching process I developed, find more "drop outs" (reference names
with no matches), And then just add them to the cross-reference table
and re-run the reports. I did this in Excel, but definitely doable in
Access with a single table.

That's a table-driven approach.
Now if you want something more elegant and heuristic,
ask those two guys who started this small company with a funny name that
begins with a G. They're pretty good at matching-up words.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:47 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 15:23:34 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:23:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_gpXG3Wa533kTCrHE2uwZdWUKExOgvd58msfoAeLeE3Q@mail.gmail.com>

http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html


Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  2 15:31:30 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:31:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_cg-CJD76FAcJTTz1bY4pZO3igQ-1NWbGPTKyBvQfEVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>
	<CAH+Met_cg-CJD76FAcJTTz1bY4pZO3igQ-1NWbGPTKyBvQfEVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCAFC687D88C469E91D6F95374550A88@HAL9007>

Don't know.  Never had an occasion to export a memo field.  I've had some
very long test fields which made the column width unwieldy.  So after that
statement I adjust the long field to something reasonable and turn on the
word wrap.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem

Just curious.  What happens if one of the fields is a memo field?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I have had occasion to create custom spread sheets from access table 
> data where TransferSpreadsheet wouldn't work.
>
> After all of the rows have been written, I use:
>
> objXLWS.Columns("A:U").Columns.AutoFit
>
> and all of the columns automagically adjust their widths to fit the 
> data so when the user opens it up it looks real pretty and all the 
> data is displayed
> - column set to the width of the longest value in the column - but 
> without a lot of white space which you'd get if you tried to guess the 
> column width needed.
>
> HTH somebody
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
>
> <http://www.bchacc.com/
>
> >
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/
>
> >
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec  2 15:48:50 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:48:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
Message-ID: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Of course, most old hardware won't do.

But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600 with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly. 

It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>

 Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.

Jim. 




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  2 16:04:12 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:04:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

There wa a recent discussion on one of the LinkedIn Access forums about optimising a 
"fuzzy matching"  function.   Final Test code is here:
http://code.google.com/p/fast-vba-fuzzy-scoring-algorithm/source/browse/trunk/Fuzzy2

Try the HotFuzz() function at the end.  

I think I may have also have some Levenshtein distance code sitting around somewhere.  I 
will have a dig around.


-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 11:47, Edward Zuris wrote:

>  
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>  
>  Thanks.
>  
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>  
>  
>  
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  2 16:07:18 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:07:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.

-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  2 16:48:48 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:48:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4ED955D0.31652.7CBE789@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

> On 2 Dec 2011 at 11:47, Edward Zuris wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >  
> >  Thanks.
> >  
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >  

Function LevenshteinDistance(phrase1 As String, phrase2 As String) As Long
'Calculates the minimum number of edits required to transform
'Phrase1 into Phrase2 using addition, deletion, and substitution of characters
'Case insensitive
Dim str1() As String
Dim str2() As String
Dim dist() As Long
Dim lngLen1 As Long
Dim lngLen2 As Long
Dim i As Long
Dim j As Long
Dim k As Long
Dim a(2) As Long
Dim r As Long
Dim cost As Long
   lngLen1 = Len(phrase1)
   lngLen2 = Len(phrase2)
   ReDim str1(lngLen1)
   ReDim str2(lngLen2)
   ReDim dist(lngLen1, lngLen2)

   For i = 1 To lngLen1
       str1(i) = UCase$(Mid$(phrase1, i, 1))
   Next
   For i = 1 To lngLen2
       str2(i) = UCase$(Mid$(phrase2, i, 1))
   Next
   For i = 0 To lngLen1
       dist(i, 0) = i
   Next
   For j = 0 To lngLen2
       dist(0, j) = j
   Next
   For i = 1 To lngLen1
       For j = 1 To lngLen2
           If str1(i) = str2(j) Then
               cost = 0
           Else
               cost = 1
           End If
           a(0) = dist(i - 1, j) + 1             '' deletion
           a(1) = dist(i, j - 1) + 1             '' insertion
           a(2) = dist(i - 1, j - 1) + cost      '' substitution
           r = a(0)
           For k = 1 To UBound(a)
               If a(k) < r Then r = a(k)
           Next
           dist(i, j) = r
       Next
   Next
   LevenshteinDistance = dist(lngLen1, lngLen2)
End Function




From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec  2 17:50:19 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 03:50:19 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
References: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <E1RWcrz-0000WH-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f69.mail.ru>

Hi Gustav --

Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...

And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning WP7 development...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
> Hi Jim
> 
> Of course, most old hardware won't do.
> 
> But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600 with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
> 
> It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>
> 
>  Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
> 
> Jim.
> 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Dec  3 09:21:24 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:21:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
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 It's the memory that's the kicker.  Six years ago, the 2 and 3 GB machines
you are describing would have been considered higher end machines; not the
typical entry level machines that most businesses put in place.

 In fact if you remember when Vista came out, the big stink was that
Microsoft said flat out "buy new hardware" if you wanted to use all the
features (it was more then memory, but memory was a good part of it).  Many
at that time asked if Vista was even worth the upgrade price considering you
could not use most of the new features if you didn't get new hardware.

 Win 7 is a far better OS then Vista and is what Vista should have been, but
it's still something I would not consider running on anything less then 2GB.

 I have clients that have fallen behind on five year replacement cycles and
have systems running from .5 GB to 1.5GB.   Even with XP, that's a stretch.
And yes I know memory is cheap, but in many cases the MB is maxed out and
upgrading is not possible.  Replacing the station as a whole is the best
approach, but they've held off.

 Thankfully most of them are caught up now, but I still have a few
stragglers.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 06:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi Gustav --

Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop
Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...

And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while
debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and
XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning
WP7 development...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
> Hi Jim
> 
> Of course, most old hardware won't do.
> 
> But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion
zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600
with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
> 
> It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>
> 
>  Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
> 
> Jim.
> 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Dec  3 09:43:49 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:43:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED955D0.31652.7CBE789@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4ED955D0.31652.7CBE789@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <006f01ccb1d2$5a050a30$0e0f1e90$@net>

Extremely interesting. Does GOOGLE use this or a proprietary variant I
wonder ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levenshtein_distance





From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 11:38:15 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:38:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Better solutions ?

 Please share.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.

-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 11:40:30 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:40:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000701ccb1e2$a7124760$5bdea8c0@edz1>



 Thanks. . .

 Will look into the HotFuzz() function at the end.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


There wa a recent discussion on one of the LinkedIn Access forums about
optimising a 
"fuzzy matching"  function.   Final Test code is here:
http://code.google.com/p/fast-vba-fuzzy-scoring-algorithm/source/browse/
trunk/Fuzzy2

Try the HotFuzz() function at the end.  

I think I may have also have some Levenshtein distance code sitting
around somewhere.  I 
will have a dig around.


-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 11:47, Edward Zuris wrote:

>  
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>  
>  Thanks.
>  
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>  
>  
>  
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 12:12:40 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:12:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_gpXG3Wa533kTCrHE2uwZdWUKExOgvd58msfoAeLeE3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01ccb1e7$2575a350$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Thanks.

  http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html


Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 12:14:43 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:14:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAsDMjt+e8ub5N14dv0Bm-pYNmWAaEc1PGY4kri1J9jQ6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01ccb1e7$6ed6bbb0$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Thanks Jack.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack
drawbridge
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Dec  3 13:50:12 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:50:12 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8?=
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Hi Jim --

Yes, I do remember Vista - I have used it with the same laptop I mentioned with 2GB RAM for more than four years.  :)
I've changed/enlarged HDD, added 1GB of memory and installed Win 7 this summer only.
This five years old PC is not good enough for full scale Windows Phone7.1  Development and it can't be used at all for SharePoint Development but other VS2010 SP1 project types development proceed smoothly on this PC, and MS Office 2010 "flies" on it.

Yes, you're right  "memory is the kicker" but for end-user systems 1.5 GB and even 1GB should be good enough for Win 7 I suppose.
2GB is much better of course but AFAIU your customers can't install 2GB as that is not technically possible for their PCs - then that should be very old PCs?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


03 ??????? 2011, 19:22 ?? "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>:
> 
>  It's the memory that's the kicker.  Six years ago, the 2 and 3 GB machines
> you are describing would have been considered higher end machines; not the
> typical entry level machines that most businesses put in place.
> 
>  In fact if you remember when Vista came out, the big stink was that
> Microsoft said flat out "buy new hardware" if you wanted to use all the
> features (it was more then memory, but memory was a good part of it).  Many
> at that time asked if Vista was even worth the upgrade price considering you
> could not use most of the new features if you didn't get new hardware.
> 
>  Win 7 is a far better OS then Vista and is what Vista should have been, but
> it's still something I would not consider running on anything less then 2GB.
> 
>  I have clients that have fallen behind on five year replacement cycles and
> have systems running from .5 GB to 1.5GB.   Even with XP, that's a stretch.
> And yes I know memory is cheap, but in many cases the MB is maxed out and
> upgrading is not possible.  Replacing the station as a whole is the best
> approach, but they've held off.
> 
>  Thankfully most of them are caught up now, but I still have a few
> stragglers.
> 
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 06:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Hi Gustav --
> 
> Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop
> Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...
> 
> And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while
> debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and
> XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning
> WP7 development...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > Of course, most old hardware won't do.
> >
> > But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion
> zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600
> with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
> >
> > It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>
> >
> >  Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec  3 16:40:20 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 08:40:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <4EDAA554.2194.CEA8394@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Levenshtein and the HotFuzz() function for two,

On 3 Dec 2011 at 10:38, Edward Zuris wrote:

> 
>  Better solutions ?
> 
>  Please share.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:07 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
> 
> 
> Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> 
> > I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
> 
> > for?
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> > >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> > >  I can look into ?
> > >
> > >  Thanks.
> > >
> > >  Ed Zuris.
> > >  edzedz at comcast.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec  3 18:23:04 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 19:23:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1RWvbA-00054T-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f39.mail.ru>
References: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
	<E1RWcrz-0000WH-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f69.mail.ru>
	<591BD9DBEA5E4256B8EBECFC66083908@XPS>
	<E1RWvbA-00054T-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f39.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4EDABD68.3040307@colbyconsulting.com>

I have to say that the hybrid disk I bought made an enormous difference with Windows 7 in my laptop.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007605%2050001305&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&SrchInDesc=momentus%20xt&Page=1&PageSize=100

It adds a 4 gig "SSD" (flash) cache to store small files that are loaded often.  It takes several 
times loading things but on the second or third pass suddenly stuff loads faster.

I bought one for my laptop and I was so pleased that I did the same for my wife's notebook.  It is 
not the same experience as a full on SSD boot disk but very close.

On my WMC system downstairs I repurposed an old 30 gb SSD drive that simply wasn't big enough to 
make the boot disk, and I put a 15 gb readyboost cache on it and put the swap file on the rest. 
That too has made an enormous difference.

But for a notebook where you only have a single disk slot, try the seagate momentus.  It may give 
the old laptop an addition couple of years.  I actually replaced my brand new laptop's 5400 rpm 
drive with this thing and man what a difference.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/3/2011 2:50 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Hi Jim --
>
> Yes, I do remember Vista - I have used it with the same laptop I mentioned with 2GB RAM for more than four years.  :)
> I've changed/enlarged HDD, added 1GB of memory and installed Win 7 this summer only.
> This five years old PC is not good enough for full scale Windows Phone7.1  Development and it can't be used at all for SharePoint Development but other VS2010 SP1 project types development proceed smoothly on this PC, and MS Office 2010 "flies" on it.
>
> Yes, you're right  "memory is the kicker" but for end-user systems 1.5 GB and even 1GB should be good enough for Win 7 I suppose.
> 2GB is much better of course but AFAIU your customers can't install 2GB as that is not technically possible for their PCs - then that should be very old PCs?
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> 03 ??????? 2011, 19:22 ?? "Jim Dettman"<jimdettman at verizon.net>:
>>
>>   It's the memory that's the kicker.  Six years ago, the 2 and 3 GB machines
>> you are describing would have been considered higher end machines; not the
>> typical entry level machines that most businesses put in place.
>>
>>   In fact if you remember when Vista came out, the big stink was that
>> Microsoft said flat out "buy new hardware" if you wanted to use all the
>> features (it was more then memory, but memory was a good part of it).  Many
>> at that time asked if Vista was even worth the upgrade price considering you
>> could not use most of the new features if you didn't get new hardware.
>>
>>   Win 7 is a far better OS then Vista and is what Vista should have been, but
>> it's still something I would not consider running on anything less then 2GB.
>>
>>   I have clients that have fallen behind on five year replacement cycles and
>> have systems running from .5 GB to 1.5GB.   Even with XP, that's a stretch.
>> And yes I know memory is cheap, but in many cases the MB is maxed out and
>> upgrading is not possible.  Replacing the station as a whole is the best
>> approach, but they've held off.
>>
>>   Thankfully most of them are caught up now, but I still have a few
>> stragglers.
>>
>> Jim.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>> Shamil
>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 06:50 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>>
>> Hi Gustav --
>>
>> Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop
>> Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...
>>
>> And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while
>> debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and
>> XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning
>> WP7 development...
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> -- Shamil
>>
>> 03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock"<Gustav at cactus.dk>:
>>> Hi Jim
>>>
>>> Of course, most old hardware won't do.
>>>
>>> But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion
>> zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600
>> with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
>>>
>>> It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
>>>
>>> /gustav
>>>
>>>>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11>>>
>>>
>>>   Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
>>>
>>> Jim.
>>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec  3 20:06:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:06:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subversion repositories and server
Message-ID: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com>

I use subversion here at my office.  I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without 
really understanding it.

I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to 
replace some less reliable Access stuff.  I want the repositories to reside on the server with all 
of its raid and backup safety net.

Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it 
is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory.

When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but 
I do not know how to do that.

I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it.  I 
created a group and a user and ser my user into the group.  I then created two repositories for two 
different projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user.

My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now?  I am using VS 2010, and it has 
the VisualSVN package installed.  I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get 
data from the repository server.  Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell 
VisualSVN in the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that.  The "Get 
solution from Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find 
my repository and I have no clue what the URL is.

IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff.  Any help is much appreciated.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec  3 21:39:42 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 22:39:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VSN right click isn't working
Message-ID: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com>

I use VSN with right click context stuff to check in and out some DLLs such as NLog which are 
referenced by my projects but are not stuff that I can directly open in VS and use that to do the 
checkin.  The problem is that while the right click menu works on my systems at the office, at my 
client they cause Windows Explorer to crash, as in close and explorer reopens a few seconds later. 
Right clicking on any file or directory causes the explorer crash.

I eventually found this thing called ShellExView that allows one to see the right click processes 
that are hooking into Explorer's right click widget, and from there I caused all of the VSNTortoise 
stuff to stop and the crashes stopped.

So I can't use VSN's stuff on my dev machine at the client to check directories in and out of 
tortoise / VSN and so I have no way to check in initially.

I decided to try and do this on the server directly and the right click menu works just fine there, 
or at least doesn't page fault explorer.  However when I try to check it in, it complains about a 
different user or something.

Sigh.  AFAIC I do not have to have this in source control, i.e. the reference that I am trying to 
check in are just dlls which are referenced at a specific path on my hard disk and for that purpose 
having them in source control doesn't matter.  However putting it in source control allows me to 
"check them out" from any other machine which needs them, and further if I get a new version of a 
file (nlogs.dll for example) I can check it in and then check it out on other machines to get the 
latest.  The whole point of source control really.  So long term I really want to get this working.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Dec  4 04:20:48 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 11:20:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
Message-ID: <sedb57ae.076@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Had the same idea about a 64 GB SSD drive I have at hand, but my old zd8000 sports an ATA interface only. No cigar.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-12-2011 01:23 >>>
I have to say that the hybrid disk I bought made an enormous difference with Windows 7 in my laptop.





From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec  4 09:48:14 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:48:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4EDAA554.2194.CEA8394@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<4EDAA554.2194.CEA8394@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000001ccb29c$22db9540$6892bfc0$@net>

Best solution IMHO:
Use all three....table lookup, and then the below.
> Levenshtein and the HotFuzz() function for two,
>




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 09:59:19 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:59:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server
Message-ID: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>


Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not have a pair of users I use for 
my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp.  The problem is that one of the the databases 
that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those users.  When I try to set those 
users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server principal 'DiscoApp' already exists. 
  Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights  - db_reader, db_writer etc.

I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need an explanation of why it won't 
allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the check boxes are enabled when I 
select that database.  I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and then set 
the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my changes and 
re-adds the user to the database.  This just seems strange.  If I don't do this rigamarole then I 
have a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but when I look at it back at 
the server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that database.

Any assistance great fully accepted.
-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 10:13:31 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 11:13:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>

 >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and then set the rights through 
the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my changes and re-adds the user to the 
database.

Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I discovered that all of the rights to 
objects in the database were removed.  For example I had rights to execute stored procedures 
assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to execute were lost.

Sigh.

This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>
> Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not have a pair of users I use for
> my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is that one of the the databases
> that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those users. When I try to set those
> users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
> Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights - db_reader, db_writer etc.
>
> I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need an explanation of why it won't
> allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the check boxes are enabled when I
> select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and then set
> the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my changes and
> re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I don't do this rigamarole then I have
> a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but when I look at it back at the
> server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that database.
>
> Any assistance great fully accepted.



From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec  4 11:36:01 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 12:36:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>

John - as you are discovering (the hard way I might add),
SQL Security is a whole specialty onto itself....in fact, there have been
books written about just that.
Here's one that may be helpful:
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-Administrators-Pocket-Consultant/dp/0
73562738X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323019853&sr=1-4
and here's another:
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-2008-Management-Administration/dp/067
233044X/ref=pd_sim_b_6


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:14 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Access Developers discussion
> and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>
>  >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and
> then set the rights through
> the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my
> changes and re-adds the user to the
> database.
>
> Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I discovered
> that all of the rights to
> objects in the database were removed.  For example I had rights to
> execute stored procedures
> assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to
> execute were lost.
>
> Sigh.
>
> This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> >
> > Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not
> have a pair of users I use for
> > my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is
> that one of the the databases
> > that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those
> users. When I try to set those
> > users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server
> principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
> > Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights -
> db_reader, db_writer etc.
> >
> > I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need
> an explanation of why it won't
> > allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the
> check boxes are enabled when I
> > select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user out
> in that database and then set
> > the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it
> happily accepts my changes and
> > re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I don't
> do this rigamarole then I have
> > a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but
> when I look at it back at the
> > server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that
> database.
> >
> > Any assistance great fully accepted.
>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Dec  4 12:47:53 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 13:47:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
Message-ID: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to 
placed in the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 12:52:18 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:52:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <356134BD550B4B7E94EFBF1984EC2284@SusanHarkins>



stu_counselor.Value = combobox.value

Is stu_counselor bound to a control in your form? If it is, this should be 
easy enough.

Susan H.


> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who will 
> be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  Once 
> that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to placed in 
> the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
> tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued. 
> Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
> -- 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From steve at goodhall.info  Sun Dec  4 12:54:43 2011
From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:54:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <f1f67b23-4cd8-48b9-9eb3-ed7a48ff17f7@blur>

Why store the counselor name in the student table?  Why not just store the  
id and use a join when you need the name?  That way if the counselor's name  
changes (marriage, divorce, whim) you don't need to run around updating  
student records. 

Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP

-----Original message-----
From: Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 18:47:04 GMT+00:00
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to 
placed in the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 13:25:49 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:25:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
Message-ID: <4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks for the suggestions.  Has anyone ever used a kindle edition of books like this?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 12:36 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> John - as you are discovering (the hard way I might add),
> SQL Security is a whole specialty onto itself....in fact, there have been
> books written about just that.
> Here's one that may be helpful:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-Administrators-Pocket-Consultant/dp/0
> 73562738X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323019853&sr=1-4
> and here's another:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-2008-Management-Administration/dp/067
> 233044X/ref=pd_sim_b_6
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:14 AM
>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Access Developers discussion
>> and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>>
>>   >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and
>> then set the rights through
>> the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my
>> changes and re-adds the user to the
>> database.
>>
>> Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I discovered
>> that all of the rights to
>> objects in the database were removed.  For example I had rights to
>> execute stored procedures
>> assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to
>> execute were lost.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>>>
>>> Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not
>> have a pair of users I use for
>>> my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is
>> that one of the the databases
>>> that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those
>> users. When I try to set those
>>> users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server
>> principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
>>> Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights -
>> db_reader, db_writer etc.
>>>
>>> I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need
>> an explanation of why it won't
>>> allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the
>> check boxes are enabled when I
>>> select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user out
>> in that database and then set
>>> the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it
>> happily accepts my changes and
>>> re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I don't
>> do this rigamarole then I have
>>> a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but
>> when I look at it back at the
>>> server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that
>> database.
>>>
>>> Any assistance great fully accepted.
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 14:20:22 2011
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 12:20:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>

Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for kindle
these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop and
laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it. Much
less clutter on the book shelves. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server

Thanks for the suggestions.  Has anyone ever used a kindle edition of books
like this?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 12:36 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> John - as you are discovering (the hard way I might add), SQL Security 
> is a whole specialty onto itself....in fact, there have been books 
> written about just that.
> Here's one that may be helpful:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-Administrators-Pocket-Consultan
> t/dp/0
> 73562738X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323019853&sr=1-4
> and here's another:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-2008-Management-Administration/
> dp/067
> 233044X/ref=pd_sim_b_6
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:14 AM
>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Access Developers discussion 
>> and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>>
>>   >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database 
>> and then set the rights through the user back in the server security 
>> stuff it happily accepts my changes and re-adds the user to the 
>> database.
>>
>> Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I 
>> discovered that all of the rights to objects in the database were 
>> removed.  For example I had rights to execute stored procedures 
>> assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to 
>> execute were lost.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>>>
>>> Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not
>> have a pair of users I use for
>>> my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is
>> that one of the the databases
>>> that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those
>> users. When I try to set those
>>> users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server
>> principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
>>> Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights -
>> db_reader, db_writer etc.
>>>
>>> I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need
>> an explanation of why it won't
>>> allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the
>> check boxes are enabled when I
>>> select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user 
>>> out
>> in that database and then set
>>> the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it
>> happily accepts my changes and
>>> re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I 
>>> don't
>> do this rigamarole then I have
>>> a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database 
>>> but
>> when I look at it back at the
>>> server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that
>> database.
>>>
>>> Any assistance great fully accepted.
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Sun Dec  4 14:27:16 2011
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:27:16 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <f1f67b23-4cd8-48b9-9eb3-ed7a48ff17f7@blur>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
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Tina,

I agree with Steve.  On the face of what you have told us so far, what you 
are trying to do here is irregular.

Assuming the combobox is bound to a field in the tblStudent table, what 
field is it?

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Goodhall
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Why store the counselor name in the student table?  Why not just store the
id and use a join when you need the name?  That way if the counselor's name
changes (marriage, divorce, whim) you don't need to run around updating
student records.

Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP

-----Original message-----
From: Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 18:47:04 GMT+00:00
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who
will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to
placed in the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to
update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec  4 15:41:56 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:41:56 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EDBE924.30917.11DB6A54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Bad girl!  :-)

tbStudent.Stu_Counselor should be a numerice field which contains the Counselor_ID 
foreign key.  You should NOT be storing the counselor's name in individual student records.

Set the Control Source of the combobox to Stu_Counselor and set its bound column to the 
(zero based) column number of the field you want to store in the student record.


-- 
Stuart


On 4 Dec 2011 at 13:47, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> Dear Friends,
> 
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
> Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to 
> placed in the student's record.
> 
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
> tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
> 
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
> Any help waking up my brain?
> 
> Thanks,
> T
> 
> -- 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec  4 16:48:47 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:48:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <9E5970D986864D8BB3B1035FBDAB2589@HAL9007>

If Counselor_Lname is not a bound field in the form then there are two ways
to do this:  1) an Update Query - ( cheat by writing the update query in the
QBE and copy the SQL from the SQL View of the query) set db = CurrentDb,
then db.Execute the update query string, 2) DAO = open a recordset of
tblCounselor either filtered to include only the record you want or all
records then use .FIndFirst to find the record you want.  Then
.Edit/.Update.  Walla!

HTH

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:48 AM
To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who will be
assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to placed in
the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to update
the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

--
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec  4 17:15:14 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 18:15:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>

But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in PDF
format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.

> Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
> kindle
> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
> and
> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
> Much
> less clutter on the book shelves.




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 18:15:00 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:15:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?

I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to change that property 'on the fly'...

Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.

Cheers
Darryl.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 18:18:56 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 19:18:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
Message-ID: <4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>

 > But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?

Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently can with the new Kindle Touch 
which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.  I am looking at buying one of these.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in PDF
> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>
>> Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>> kindle
>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>> and
>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>> Much
>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>
>



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 18:45:52 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 16:45:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>

It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
Why would you even want to change it on the fly?

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
>
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a solution
> (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it seems like an odd
> thing to enforce on developers, especially as the form is nearly always
> going to be open and in use when you want to change that property 'on the
> fly'...
>
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 18:58:47 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:58:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE3F4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.

For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from listbox 1, then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its list (so multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list box 1 has only one option selected than listbox 2 should allow multi-select to be available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 has a dependency on what the user selects (or doesn't select) in listbox 1 and visa versa.  If a user chooses multiple values in listbox 2 first, then only a single option should be allowed from listbox 1 and the status change from multi to single.

Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a work around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I can understand why you should not be able to change the state of the active listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, unless you are in design mode.

Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, but there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this is one of them.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
Why would you even want to change it on the fly?

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in 
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
>
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> change that property 'on the fly'...
>
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 19:07:17 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:07:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE3F4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE3F4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met95nqo1v0B3wD-ujhuM7At9pjsuje6NC7v=ztY1+Bhukg@mail.gmail.com>

Simplest way to handle it is with stacked controls using the particular
settings you need.  Just  set their visibility depending on the selection
in listbox 2.  No need to make design changes to the form, which is what
you're doing when you change the property of the control itself.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its
> state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.
>
> For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is
> 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from listbox 1,
> then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its list (so
> multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list box 1 has only
> one option selected than listbox 2 should allow multi-select to be
> available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 has a dependency on
> what the user selects (or doesn't select) in listbox 1 and visa versa.  If
> a user chooses multiple values in listbox 2 first, then only a single
> option should be allowed from listbox 1 and the status change from multi to
> single.
>
> Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a work
> around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I can
> understand why you should not be able to change the state of the active
> listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, unless you are in
> design mode.
>
> Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, but
> there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this is one of
> them.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.
>
> It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
> Why would you even want to change it on the fly?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins <
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in
> > design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> >
> > I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a
> > solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it
> > seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the
> > form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to
> > change that property 'on the fly'...
> >
> > Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> >
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 19:09:34 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:09:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
touch screen for a long time. ;-)

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> > But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>
> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently can
> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.  I
> am looking at buying one of these.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>
>> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>> PDF
>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>
>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>> kindle
>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>> and
>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>> Much
>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>
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>
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec  4 19:10:02 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:10:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EDC19EA.7526.1299F1A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It's not an Access thing, it's a Windows thing.  Listbox and Combobox common controls, and 
some others,  don't support modifying Window Styles dynamically. 

The only way to change Style and Extended Style attributes for these is to  destroy and 
recreate the control regardless of what development environment you are in.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 0:15, Darryl Collins wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that? 
> 
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a
> solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it
> seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the
> form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to
> change that property 'on the fly'... 
> 
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 19:41:16 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 01:41:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <4EDC19EA.7526.1299F1A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4EDC19EA.7526.1299F1A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE44C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Aaaah, now that makes more sense...  I figured there is likely to be a deeper reason I just didn't understand.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

It's not an Access thing, it's a Windows thing.  Listbox and Combobox common controls, and some others,  don't support modifying Window Styles dynamically. 

The only way to change Style and Extended Style attributes for these is to  destroy and recreate the control regardless of what development environment you are in.

--
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 0:15, Darryl Collins wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in 
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> 
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> change that property 'on the fly'...
> 
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 19:53:02 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 01:53:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
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Hi Charlotte,

Yeah, that was my original idea, have one listbox set to multi and the other set to single and swap the visibility, but in reality that wasn't going to work functionally for what is required here.  Mainly as the process is not a linear one, so the user can 'go back' (so to speak) can change how many records are selected in either list box - or select them in any order, there is left to right sequence required   Of course choosing one of each only is also a valid option.

No, I ended up using option II I found on Google, which is to emulate what I was looking to do via code.

This works by first counting how many records are selected in the active listbox and setting a public Boolean variable.  I then use code like this

I use an onclick event to work out how many records are selected (If the other list box has more than one record select this stage is skipped as we have already set the select status on both boxes).

For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
    If lstBox1.Selected(i) = True Then
        x = x + 1
        strMaterialTypeName(x) = lstBox1.Column(0, x)

    End If
Next i

If x > 1 Then
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = False
Else
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = True
End If

'----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then when the user clicks on the the other listbox we already know the status of the original listbox


If gbInputMatTypeMS = False Then
    For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
        lstBox1.Selected(i) = False
    Next i
    lstBox1.Selected(lstBox1.ListIndex + 1) = True
End If

'------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Which will force the other listbox to only select the item click on by the user if the multiselect variable for the dependant listbox is set to FALSE (gbInputMatTypeMS=False).
This actually works rather well and painlessly.  It allows the user to automagically select whatever they want in any order and the listboxes adjust state accordingly depending on how many records are chosen in each listbox.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

Simplest way to handle it is with stacked controls using the particular settings you need.  Just  set their visibility depending on the selection in listbox 2.  No need to make design changes to the form, which is what you're doing when you change the property of the control itself.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its 
> state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.
>
> For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is 
> 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from 
> listbox 1, then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its 
> list (so multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list 
> box 1 has only one option selected than listbox 2 should allow 
> multi-select to be available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 
> has a dependency on what the user selects (or doesn't select) in 
> listbox 1 and visa versa.  If a user chooses multiple values in 
> listbox 2 first, then only a single option should be allowed from 
> listbox 1 and the status change from multi to single.
>
> Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a 
> work around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I 
> can understand why you should not be able to change the state of the 
> active listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, 
> unless you are in design mode.
>
> Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, 
> but there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this 
> is one of them.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.
>
> It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
> Why would you even want to change it on the fly?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins < 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is 
> > in design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> >
> > I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> > solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> > seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> > form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> > change that property 'on the fly'...
> >
> > Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 20:19:54 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 02:19:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
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Doh... proof reading is important... proof reading is important...

" there is NO left to right sequence required  "

Bah..

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

Hi Charlotte,

Yeah, that was my original idea, have one listbox set to multi and the other set to single and swap the visibility, but in reality that wasn't going to work functionally for what is required here.  Mainly as the process is not a linear one, so the user can 'go back' (so to speak) can change how many records are selected in either list box - or select them in any order, there is left to right sequence required   Of course choosing one of each only is also a valid option.

No, I ended up using option II I found on Google, which is to emulate what I was looking to do via code.

This works by first counting how many records are selected in the active listbox and setting a public Boolean variable.  I then use code like this

I use an onclick event to work out how many records are selected (If the other list box has more than one record select this stage is skipped as we have already set the select status on both boxes).

For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
    If lstBox1.Selected(i) = True Then
        x = x + 1
        strMaterialTypeName(x) = lstBox1.Column(0, x)

    End If
Next i

If x > 1 Then
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = False
Else
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = True
End If

'----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then when the user clicks on the the other listbox we already know the status of the original listbox


If gbInputMatTypeMS = False Then
    For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
        lstBox1.Selected(i) = False
    Next i
    lstBox1.Selected(lstBox1.ListIndex + 1) = True End If

'------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Which will force the other listbox to only select the item click on by the user if the multiselect variable for the dependant listbox is set to FALSE (gbInputMatTypeMS=False).
This actually works rather well and painlessly.  It allows the user to automagically select whatever they want in any order and the listboxes adjust state accordingly depending on how many records are chosen in each listbox.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

Simplest way to handle it is with stacked controls using the particular settings you need.  Just  set their visibility depending on the selection in listbox 2.  No need to make design changes to the form, which is what you're doing when you change the property of the control itself.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its 
> state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.
>
> For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is 
> 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from 
> listbox 1, then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its 
> list (so multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list 
> box 1 has only one option selected than listbox 2 should allow 
> multi-select to be available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 
> has a dependency on what the user selects (or doesn't select) in 
> listbox 1 and visa versa.  If a user chooses multiple values in 
> listbox 2 first, then only a single option should be allowed from 
> listbox 1 and the status change from multi to single.
>
> Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a 
> work around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I 
> can understand why you should not be able to change the state of the 
> active listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, 
> unless you are in design mode.
>
> Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, 
> but there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this 
> is one of them.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.
>
> It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
> Why would you even want to change it on the fly?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins < 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is 
> > in design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> >
> > I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> > solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> > seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> > form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> > change that property 'on the fly'...
> >
> > Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 21:07:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 22:07:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
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Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.  ;)

John W. Colby
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when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>>> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>
>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently can
>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.  I
>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>
>>> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>>> PDF
>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>
>>>   Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>> kindle
>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>> and
>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>> Much
>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>
>>>
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From Benson at ge.com  Sun Dec  4 21:24:49 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:24:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
and an annoyance to me personally.

TIA.





From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec  4 22:04:37 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 20:04:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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I suppose it's there in case you mistakenly start to delete all records in a
table or mean to delete 100 and delete 10,000 instead.  The only way I know
is DoCmd.SetWarnings False but that's in code.

Rocky
 

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(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
personally.

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 22:05:29 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 04:05:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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Hi Bill,

It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How are you deleting them?

>From what I understand if you can use 

CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror
to execute them without messages

or

if necessary (last resort) you can use

With DoCmd
	.SetWarnings False
	.OpenQuery "QueryName"
	.SetWarnings True
End with

It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well <<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>

Does any of that help?



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Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me personally.

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 22:09:20 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 23:09:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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Yeah code or a macro step I guess is all I got. I'd hoped a hot key variant
on run might turn up.
On Dec 4, 2011 11:05 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I suppose it's there in case you mistakenly start to delete all records in
> a
> table or mean to delete 100 and delete 10,000 instead.  The only way I know
> is DoCmd.SetWarnings False but that's in code.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
> (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
> without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
> there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
> inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
> undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
> superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
> than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
> personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 22:11:59 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 23:11:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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Maybe the maxlocks will. For this I don't want code cuz I just wanted a
quicker way to run a query in view just after editing.

Thanks.
On Dec 4, 2011 11:08 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How are
> you deleting them?
>
> From what I understand if you can use
>
> CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror
> to execute them without messages
>
> or
>
> if necessary (last resort) you can use
>
> With DoCmd
>        .SetWarnings False
>        .OpenQuery "QueryName"
>        .SetWarnings True
> End with
>
> It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well <<
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>
>
> Does any of that help?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE
> Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
> without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
> there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
> inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
> undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
> superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
> than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
> personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 22:26:37 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 04:26:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster
	Delete	Queries
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V58qc-do3t64svHROQixuLz1G43Qko0vuL2Ud5w6YMZ7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE64D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V58qc-do3t64svHROQixuLz1G43Qko0vuL2Ud5w6YMZ7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE68B@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Give it a try Bill.  Although I didn't read anyone who actually had any success with that approach and the message.  It seems it must impact some users as MS have gone to the trouble of publishing that page.  You can turn off warnings at an application level, but I am not sure if that will be effective or not with the undo warning.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 3:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Maybe the maxlocks will. For this I don't want code cuz I just wanted a quicker way to run a query in view just after editing.

Thanks.
On Dec 4, 2011 11:08 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How 
> are you deleting them?
>
> From what I understand if you can use
>
> CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror to execute 
> them without messages
>
> or
>
> if necessary (last resort) you can use
>
> With DoCmd
>        .SetWarnings False
>        .OpenQuery "QueryName"
>        .SetWarnings True
> End with
>
> It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well << 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>
>
> Does any of that help?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE 
> Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete 
> Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back 
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA 
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts 
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, 
> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but 
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior 
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is 
> useless and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec  1 22:34:11 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 22:34:11 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster
	Delete	Queries
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE64D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE64D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <004101ccb0ab$a3f488f0$ebdd9ad0$@comcast.net>

No Messages --> CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries

Hi Bill,

It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How are
you deleting them?

>From what I understand if you can use 

CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror to execute them
without messages

or

if necessary (last resort) you can use

With DoCmd
	.SetWarnings False
	.OpenQuery "QueryName"
	.SetWarnings True
End with

It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well
<<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>

Does any of that help?



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
personally.

TIA.



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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 23:23:47 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 21:23:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.  ;)
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently
>>> can
>>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.
>>>  I
>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>
>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>>>> PDF
>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>
>>>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>>
>>>>> kindle
>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>>> and
>>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>>> Much
>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
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>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>>>
>>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.
>>>
>>> ****com<http://www.**databaseadvisors.com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Dec  5 06:35:00 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:35:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EDCBA74.70207@colbyconsulting.com>

http://www.ecolibris.net/bnindex.asp

;)

It's unfortunate they stopped graphing the results.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/5/2011 12:23 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.  ;)
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
>>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently
>>>> can
>>>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.
>>>>   I
>>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>
>>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>>>>> PDF
>>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>>>
>>>>>> kindle
>>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>>>> Much
>>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>



From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Mon Dec  5 08:21:33 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:21:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EA8AF852@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Citations? :-)

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 5:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA

Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.

--
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name  matching 
> > algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Dec  5 08:30:26 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 09:30:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>


  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
and an annoyance to me personally.

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From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca  Mon Dec  5 08:37:02 2011
From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:37:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000d01ccb1e7$6ed6bbb0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <CAKvidAsDMjt+e8ub5N14dv0Bm-pYNmWAaEc1PGY4kri1J9jQ6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<000d01ccb1e7$6ed6bbb0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP29F5E9AC3CF73022E0993BC4B50@phx.gbl>

Ed, 
Here is a link showing both Soundex and Levenshtein distance code for vba

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1607690/finding-similar-sounding-text-in-
vba

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


 Thanks Jack.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack
drawbridge
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Mon Dec  5 12:20:45 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:20:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP29F5E9AC3CF73022E0993BC4B50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002401ccb37a$9bd7e0a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and Pat
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


Ed, 
Here is a link showing both Soundex and Levenshtein distance code for
vba

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1607690/finding-similar-sounding-text
-in-
vba

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


 Thanks Jack.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack
drawbridge
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Dec  5 14:42:20 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 15:42:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Of possible interest: Deploying LightSwitch
 Applications to Windows Azure
Message-ID: <86C79486EC244013B7EB9E95C3C0D47E@XPS>


Deploying LightSwitch Applications to Windows Azure

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/hh547097.aspx
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/hh547097.aspx> 
 
 gustav mentioned Lightswitch some time ago.  May be of interest to some
Access developers looking for something else, but don't want to move into
.Net.
 
Jim



From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 15:09:43 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:09:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

There is something that I require to be true, upon testing, or this one
particular form I consider to be dangerous to use. It is a condition
that may change over the session, it is not necessarily a stable
condition during the user session.

I understand it can be tested for on Form Open, and the opening of the
form can then be canceled. But how about afterwards:  For example,
suppose on activation of the form, I want to test the condition again.
According to an error message I just got, I am not allowed to close the
form during the form's events.

I am kinda stumped how to protect myself now, if I cannot make this
check-environment-and-dismiss-form occur on a form's events.

I guess I could have a hidden form checking this on a timed basis but I
am sure that will cause some regrets.

TIA...



From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Dec  5 15:43:47 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:43:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Of possible interest: Deploying
	LightSwitch	Applications to Windows Azure
Message-ID: <sedd493c.011@cactus.dk>

Thanks Jim, very promising.

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 05-12-2011 21:42 >>>

Deploying LightSwitch Applications to Windows Azure

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/hh547097.aspx 
 
 gustav mentioned Lightswitch some time ago.  May be of interest to some
Access developers looking for something else, but don't want to move into
.Net.
 
Jim




From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 15:51:33 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 13:51:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9AkKa70wGf9GVAM1J16+4zu8jMCNu7NLwKTDTevqd3xg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not clear on what the problem is.  You can close a form from other
events within a form.  What was the message you got and what event were you
trying to use?

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Benson, William (GE Global Research,
consultant) <Benson at ge.com> wrote:

> There is something that I require to be true, upon testing, or this one
> particular form I consider to be dangerous to use. It is a condition
> that may change over the session, it is not necessarily a stable
> condition during the user session.
>
> I understand it can be tested for on Form Open, and the opening of the
> form can then be canceled. But how about afterwards:  For example,
> suppose on activation of the form, I want to test the condition again.
> According to an error message I just got, I am not allowed to close the
> form during the form's events.
>
> I am kinda stumped how to protect myself now, if I cannot make this
> check-environment-and-dismiss-form occur on a form's events.
>
> I guess I could have a hidden form checking this on a timed basis but I
> am sure that will cause some regrets.
>
> TIA...
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 15:55:15 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 07:55:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Presumably when you say "dangerous to use", you are referring to triggering control events 
on the form.   

What happens if you:
1.  build a function which checks for the condition and closes the form if necesary
2. Call the function as the first step in any potentially dangerous control event.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 16:09, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> There is something that I require to be true, upon testing, or this one
> particular form I consider to be dangerous to use. It is a condition
> that may change over the session, it is not necessarily a stable
> condition during the user session.
> 
> I understand it can be tested for on Form Open, and the opening of the
> form can then be canceled. But how about afterwards:  For example,
> suppose on activation of the form, I want to test the condition again.
> According to an error message I just got, I am not allowed to close the
> form during the form's events.
> 
> I am kinda stumped how to protect myself now, if I cannot make this
> check-environment-and-dismiss-form occur on a form's events.
> 
> I guess I could have a hidden form checking this on a timed basis but I
> am sure that will cause some regrets.
> 
> TIA...
> 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 17:14:29 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:14:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDCBA74.70207@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDCBA74.70207@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table and
load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle layout or
feel, so I see no reason to change now.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:35 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> http://www.ecolibris.net/**bnindex.asp<http://www.ecolibris.net/bnindex.asp>
>
>
>
> ;)
>
> It's unfortunate they stopped graphing the results.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/5/2011 12:23 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.
>>>  ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>  Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
>>>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsult**ing.com<http://colbyconsulting.com>
>>>>
>>>> <jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>>
>>>>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently
>>>>> can
>>>>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch
>>>>> screen.
>>>>>  I
>>>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>> PDF
>>>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  kindle
>>>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>>>>> Much
>>>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> **<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> ****com<http://www.**databasea**dvisors.com<http://databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.**databaseadvisors.com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec  5 18:10:08 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:10:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
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Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA25@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I think the one upside of Kindle over a tablet is probably the battery life.  Personally I like a good ol' fashioned book.  I love the way I can read it on the beach and never have to worry about battery issues, screen resolution, reflection or it getting too much salt and sand in the cracks.  I like the tactile book thing too.  The feel of the paper, the smell, the way you can get an idea of where you are in the story visually, and it make an excellent shade over your eyes when you want to have nap - try doing that with your tablet ;)

The can see some upside to kindle and their ilk such as:

1: Environmental (less paper, less supply chain costs, less printing issues, less waste etc)
2: Speed of delivery (usually a lot faster than even FedEx)
3: Weight (books are heavy if you need to carry a lot of them)
4: Searchable: Much faster to search and reference

But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)

Just my thoughts
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server

I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:35 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> http://www.ecolibris.net/**bnindex.asp<http://www.ecolibris.net/bninde
> x.asp>
>
>
>
> ;)
>
> It's unfortunate they stopped graphing the results.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/5/2011 12:23 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, 
>> jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.
>>>  ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>  Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the 
>>> keyboard and
>>>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, 
>>>> jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsult**ing.com<http://colbyconsulting.com>
>>>>
>>>> <jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>>
>>>>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You 
>>>>> apparently can with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual 
>>>>> keyboard and touch screen.
>>>>>  I
>>>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get 
>>>>> books in
>>>>>
>>>>>> PDF
>>>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  kindle
>>>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my 
>>>>>>> desktop and laptop. That way I can share the book between my 
>>>>>>> devices. I like it.
>>>>>>> Much
>>>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> /databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> s.com>
>>>>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 18:20:25 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 10:20:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA25@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA25@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EDD5FC9.21974.4DC27B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

http://www.thinkleadershipideas.com/leadershipideasblog/files/book.php

On 6 Dec 2011 at 0:10, Darryl Collins wrote:


> But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)
> 
> Just my thoughts
> Darryl.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
> 
> I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table
> and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle
> layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now. 
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec  5 18:56:59 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:56:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hehehehe.... exactly.   All jokes aside, the paperback book is in many ways a nearly perfect technology.  It is a bit like the traditional mousetrap or the standard design on the traditional dial telephone.  Some designs are sooo close to being optimal there is little advantage in tweaking them. 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server

http://www.thinkleadershipideas.com/leadershipideasblog/files/book.php

On 6 Dec 2011 at 0:10, Darryl Collins wrote:


> But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)
> 
> Just my thoughts
> Darryl.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
> 
> I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table 
> and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle 
> layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 


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From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 20:41:28 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:41:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Sorry, I cannot make my statement about "dangerous to use" very clear at
this time. Essentially, if the form is open and a certain value has
changed (say, for example, a user's privileges have changed from one
class to another) then I do not want them able to see the form that they
had been looking at. So it was on the activate event that this was to be
checked for.

That is not the exact condition, it is a representative example.

To answer Charlotte's question:

"this action cannot be carried out while processing a form or report
event"

Here is a sample of code you can put in a form that is already opened:

Private Sub Form_Activate()
If 1 = 2 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
End Sub


Launch the form, then deactivate it by opening a different form.

Change the code to
If 1 = 1 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name

Click back on the first form, you will get this error message.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 21:22:25 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 13:22:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>,
	<4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4EDD8A71.27107.582C7BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You can set me.Visible = False instead of closing the form.

How to garbage collect and subsequently close the hidden form is left as an exercise for the 
reader. :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 21:41, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> Sorry, I cannot make my statement about "dangerous to use" very clear at
> this time. Essentially, if the form is open and a certain value has
> changed (say, for example, a user's privileges have changed from one
> class to another) then I do not want them able to see the form that they
> had been looking at. So it was on the activate event that this was to be
> checked for.
> 
> That is not the exact condition, it is a representative example.
> 
> To answer Charlotte's question:
> 
> "this action cannot be carried out while processing a form or report
> event"
> 
> Here is a sample of code you can put in a form that is already opened:
> 
> Private Sub Form_Activate()
> If 1 = 2 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
> End Sub
> 
> 
> Launch the form, then deactivate it by opening a different form.
> 
> Change the code to
> If 1 = 1 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
> 
> Click back on the first form, you will get this error message.
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 





From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 22:04:22 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:04:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <4EDD8A71.27107.582C7BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>,
	<4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDD8A71.27107.582C7BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F580@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Not a difficult task... but not something I want to resort to. I gave up
:-(

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event

You can set me.Visible = False instead of closing the form.

How to garbage collect and subsequently close the hidden form is left as
an exercise for the reader. :-)

--
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 21:41, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> Sorry, I cannot make my statement about "dangerous to use" very clear 
> at this time. Essentially, if the form is open and a certain value has

> changed (say, for example, a user's privileges have changed from one 
> class to another) then I do not want them able to see the form that 
> they had been looking at. So it was on the activate event that this 
> was to be checked for.
> 
> That is not the exact condition, it is a representative example.
> 
> To answer Charlotte's question:
> 
> "this action cannot be carried out while processing a form or report 
> event"
> 
> Here is a sample of code you can put in a form that is already opened:
> 
> Private Sub Form_Activate()
> If 1 = 2 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name End Sub
> 
> 
> Launch the form, then deactivate it by opening a different form.
> 
> Change the code to
> If 1 = 1 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
> 
> Click back on the first form, you will get this error message.
> 
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



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From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 22:08:44 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:08:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I have a client who feels he will have contractors who will have Access
2010 but (unbelievably) not Outlook on their PCs. So he wanted me to
remove any references to Outlook. Well, thing is, I did not have a
reference to outlook, I had Access sending some tables through
.SendObject, and also I in another situation use Excel's library to
attach and mail a file. I can get both applications to run these steps
with no DLL reference to Outlook, however without taking Outlook itself
off my machine, I cannot really be sure what would happen if the Excel
or Access applications tried these steps with no Outlook. Anyone know?
Will those applications still call some default e-mail client? Will they
just throw off an error? Not process the command?

Pls help me know what to expect, if possible, thanks. 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 22:57:34 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:57:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on the workstation in 
question.  If nothing else has been installed, it is likely to use OE or Windows Mail depending 
on the OS. In my case, it invokes Pegasus Mail.

If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message telling them that they 
need to configure one.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 23:08, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> I have a client who feels he will have contractors who will have Access
> 2010 but (unbelievably) not Outlook on their PCs. So he wanted me to
> remove any references to Outlook. Well, thing is, I did not have a
> reference to outlook, I had Access sending some tables through
> .SendObject, and also I in another situation use Excel's library to
> attach and mail a file. I can get both applications to run these steps
> with no DLL reference to Outlook, however without taking Outlook itself
> off my machine, I cannot really be sure what would happen if the Excel
> or Access applications tried these steps with no Outlook. Anyone know?
> Will those applications still call some default e-mail client? Will they
> just throw off an error? Not process the command?
> 
> Pls help me know what to expect, if possible, thanks. 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 





From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 09:04:37 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:04:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>

Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a couple
of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was trivial. I *love
* when that happens!

Arthur

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on the
> workstation in
> question.  If nothing else has been installed, it is likely to use OE or
> Windows Mail depending
> on the OS. In my case, it invokes Pegasus Mail.
>
> If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message
> telling them that they
> need to configure one.
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 09:27:01 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:27:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>

To add to and reinforce your point, even though I have almost all the
Data-Architecture tools available (ERwin, PowerDesigner, DeZign, Rational
DA, etc.), more often than not I resort to a pencil and paper to lay out
the initial sketch. I don't bother describing the columns at this stage --
just the tables and the joins, and I can use the eraser to refine the
Rdefs. When DBs are extremely complex (i.e. several hundred tables) then I
skip the pencil-stage and go directly to PowerDesigner (my choice) or ERwin
(more often the client's choice, despite its inadequacies). But for SMBs,
my first choice remains pencil and paper, where I capture the logic. Maybe
it's similar to painters who first sketch the landscape in pencil and only
afterward return to the studio and the canvas and the palette. Either way,
the fact remains that I understand the pencil-UI way more intuitively than
anything yet invented, including all of the late Steve Jobs's inventions.
Granted, it took a while to learn how to describe a circle and a square and
a triangle, and then to write the alphabet, but I learned all that before
attending First Grade in school, and would imagine that in these days so do
almost all kids.

Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to
recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to
Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children
will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up
smarter.

Arthur

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hehehehe.... exactly.   All jokes aside, the paperback book is in many
> ways a nearly perfect technology.  It is a bit like the traditional
> mousetrap or the standard design on the traditional dial telephone.  Some
> designs are sooo close to being optimal there is little advantage in
> tweaking them.
>
> --
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 13:01:09 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:01:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>

(I think??) I'm glad to hear this!

Thanks for such well informed responses. There are so many things I take
for granted with MS Office installed.
On Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a couple
> of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was trivial. I
> *love
> * when that happens!
>
> Arthur
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
> >wrote:
>
> > SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on the
> > workstation in
> > question.  If nothing else has been installed, it is likely to use OE or
> > Windows Mail depending
> > on the OS. In my case, it invokes Pegasus Mail.
> >
> > If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message
> > telling them that they
> > need to configure one.
> >
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 13:06:44 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:06:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
In-Reply-To: <6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4q1SnEhGzSGJDWRa=rKyAX9UsFBGXEPEZb=PY7S6uNjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Can't wait to try this (but I have to because I am not near PC)... sounds
promising.
On Dec 5, 2011 9:31 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
> (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
> and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
> --
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>
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>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec  6 14:00:06 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:00:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster
	Delete	Queries
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4q1SnEhGzSGJDWRa=rKyAX9UsFBGXEPEZb=PY7S6uNjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>
	<CAGuQ9V4q1SnEhGzSGJDWRa=rKyAX9UsFBGXEPEZb=PY7S6uNjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B08EF93E3F724E0C847331E79F4296C5@XPS>


  Understand that your not turning off the warning, but setting the query so
transactions are not used.

  That means you'll never run out of locks nor will you get the message that
the transaction cannot be undone past a certain point.

  Only do this if you don't care if a failure occurs in the middle execution
and can simply re-run it if that happens.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 02:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries

Can't wait to try this (but I have to because I am not near PC)... sounds
promising.
On Dec 5, 2011 9:31 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
> (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
> and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec  6 16:52:04 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 22:52:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

" Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up smarter."

Looks good, just purchased a copy from Amazon - thanks :)

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 2:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...

To add to and reinforce your point, even though I have almost all the Data-Architecture tools available (ERwin, PowerDesigner, DeZign, Rational DA, etc.), more often than not I resort to a pencil and paper to lay out the initial sketch. I don't bother describing the columns at this stage -- just the tables and the joins, and I can use the eraser to refine the Rdefs. When DBs are extremely complex (i.e. several hundred tables) then I skip the pencil-stage and go directly to PowerDesigner (my choice) or ERwin (more often the client's choice, despite its inadequacies). But for SMBs, my first choice remains pencil and paper, where I capture the logic. Maybe it's similar to painters who first sketch the landscape in pencil and only afterward return to the studio and the canvas and the palette. Either way, the fact remains that I understand the pencil-UI way more intuitively than anything yet invented, including all of the late Steve Jobs's inventions.
Granted, it took a while to learn how to describe a circle and a square and a triangle, and then to write the alphabet, but I learned all that before attending First Grade in school, and would imagine that in these days so do almost all kids.

Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up smarter.

Arthur

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hehehehe.... exactly.   All jokes aside, the paperback book is in many
> ways a nearly perfect technology.  It is a bit like the traditional 
> mousetrap or the standard design on the traditional dial telephone.  
> Some designs are sooo close to being optimal there is little advantage 
> in tweaking them.
>
> --
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing
--
AccessD mailing list
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec  6 17:00:21 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 23:00:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EECAF@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Bill,

You are likely to find this more and more these days as MS Outlook is no longer a standard part of every version of Office these days - rather it is only available on the more costly versions.   You can buy it separately if you wish.  Of course costs vary wildly around the world and here in Oz (Australia) we get ripped pretty badly on prices - so to purchase MS Outlook as a stand-alone product is an additional $180 AUD over and above the cost of the MS office suite (assuming the version you purchased doesn't come with an Outlook License).  Many folks or small businesses, who just want an email client or two, decide it ain't worth the cost and swap to Thunderbird, Pegasus or even Gmail instead.

For the curious... here is what MS Office product cost in AUD (keep in mind that the AUD is worth approx 1.02 USD at the moment - so pretty much parity).

<< http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Technology/Software/Microsoft-Office>>

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 6:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present

(I think??) I'm glad to hear this!

Thanks for such well informed responses. There are so many things I take for granted with MS Office installed.
On Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a 
> couple of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was 
> trivial. I *love
> * when that happens!
>
> Arthur
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan 
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
> >wrote:
>
> > SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on 
> > the workstation in question.  If nothing else has been installed, it 
> > is likely to use OE or Windows Mail depending on the OS. In my case, 
> > it invokes Pegasus Mail.
> >
> > If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message 
> > telling them that they need to configure one.
> >
> >
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Dec  6 17:01:00 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:01:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for
	FasterDelete	Queries
In-Reply-To: <B08EF93E3F724E0C847331E79F4296C5@XPS>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com><6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS><CAGuQ9V4q1SnEhGzSGJDWRa=rKyAX9UsFBGXEPEZb=PY7S6uNjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B08EF93E3F724E0C847331E79F4296C5@XPS>
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C13022B794E@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I accept the warning. I am much more concerned that deleting records
from an open query or table has such an undo feature. Once I have pulled
the trigger on a delete query, I have already done my homework.

Really.

Famous last words.

Thanks again!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for FasterDelete
Queries


  Understand that your not turning off the warning, but setting the
query so transactions are not used.

  That means you'll never run out of locks nor will you get the message
that the transaction cannot be undone past a certain point.

  Only do this if you don't care if a failure occurs in the middle
execution and can simply re-run it if that happens.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Benson
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 02:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries

Can't wait to try this (but I have to because I am not near PC)...
sounds promising.
On Dec 5, 2011 9:31 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, 
> William (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back 
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA 
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts 
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,

> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but 
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior 
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is 
> useless and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Dec  6 17:09:51 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:09:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EECAF@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com><4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com><CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EECAF@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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That's a lot of dough!

Very glad to be kept informed of issues like this Darryl, thanks for
taking the time to add. I find it harder and harder, since working
mostly from home, to keep abreast of what's going on; very gratified for
others weighing in on such matters. Another issue lately is retention. I
just took a battery of tests through a psychological testing company,
and one of the things I found out is that with a lot of detail, my brain
needs a few passes before anything sinks in enough to recall it later.
If one has to solve a problem, hunts around on Google for a solution,
plops it in and the program works ... forget about remembering it. If I
have to mess with it and mess with it til it finally works, there is a
chance. Maybe to a degree this is a lot of folk, not just me - but I
have seen a marked decrease in what I can retain over only a few short
years. This is my long way of saying "I may ask this again some time"
and please, please don't take it as a sign of not paying attention. You
can see by the fact that I have read and replied, that I was at least in
the here and now, paying attention.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl
Collins
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present

Bill,

You are likely to find this more and more these days as MS Outlook is no
longer a standard part of every version of Office these days - rather it
is only available on the more costly versions.   You can buy it
separately if you wish.  Of course costs vary wildly around the world
and here in Oz (Australia) we get ripped pretty badly on prices - so to
purchase MS Outlook as a stand-alone product is an additional $180 AUD
over and above the cost of the MS office suite (assuming the version you
purchased doesn't come with an Outlook License).  Many folks or small
businesses, who just want an email client or two, decide it ain't worth
the cost and swap to Thunderbird, Pegasus or even Gmail instead.

For the curious... here is what MS Office product cost in AUD (keep in
mind that the AUD is worth approx 1.02 USD at the moment - so pretty
much parity).

<<
http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Technology/Software/Micros
oft-Office>>

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Benson
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 6:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present

(I think??) I'm glad to hear this!

Thanks for such well informed responses. There are so many things I take
for granted with MS Office installed.
On Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a 
> couple of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was 
> trivial. I *love
> * when that happens!
>
> Arthur
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan 
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
> >wrote:
>
> > SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on 
> > the workstation in question.  If nothing else has been installed, it

> > is likely to use OE or Windows Mail depending on the OS. In my case,

> > it invokes Pegasus Mail.
> >
> > If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message

> > telling them that they need to configure one.
> >
> >
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From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 17:27:16 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:27:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUH71=6kRLsFpQXUJLjtuTD=ck-oBxqxDAW-C_oHjsZSg@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Benson, William:
> I accept the warning. I am much more concerned that deleting records
> from an open query or table has such an undo feature. Once I have pulled
> the trigger on a delete query, I have already done my homework.
>
> Really.
>
> Famous last words.
>
> Thanks again!
>

I take it that you are running the delete queries from the interface.

Have you tried: Tools -> Options -> Edit/Find Tab -> Turning off Confirm
options: Record Changes, Document Deletions, Action Queries?

This should turn off all the safeties. I mean really, what could possibly
go wrong? ;)

-Ken


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 19:49:54 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 20:49:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jrxvi4ZjXqFu2sfsoZKL3pzZ3JpFFHLEvGn_jx1O6CgA@mail.gmail.com>

It's an awesome work, IMO. I'm certain that you will love it, and your kids
will get the best possible intro to the world of math, not to mention such
things as the reason why some plants have opposing branches while others
have spiraling branches, and a zillion other topics too.

Have fun! I know you will.

A.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> " Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to
> recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to
> Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children
> will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up
> smarter."
>
> Looks good, just purchased a copy from Amazon - thanks :)
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 00:54:44 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 01:54:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUH71=6kRLsFpQXUJLjtuTD=ck-oBxqxDAW-C_oHjsZSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUH71=6kRLsFpQXUJLjtuTD=ck-oBxqxDAW-C_oHjsZSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6GtTr4m5HrVWhxs_x=gG+wiVXXt3EK17VaKG4tLOpwqg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ken. I want the option for the current query only; that would I think
affect other queries...?
On Dec 6, 2011 6:28 PM, "Kenneth Ismert" <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Benson, William:
> > I accept the warning. I am much more concerned that deleting records
> > from an open query or table has such an undo feature. Once I have pulled
> > the trigger on a delete query, I have already done my homework.
> >
> > Really.
> >
> > Famous last words.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
>
> I take it that you are running the delete queries from the interface.
>
> Have you tried: Tools -> Options -> Edit/Find Tab -> Turning off Confirm
> options: Record Changes, Document Deletions, Action Queries?
>
> This should turn off all the safeties. I mean really, what could possibly
> go wrong? ;)
>
> -Ken
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 01:29:13 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 02:29:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4Vvsi8DqN5-BDKOJ0dm_JgJHGggVq=0oC6bny6j6=5Yg@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if the original website registration ran out and got scooped up by
a competition
On Dec 1, 2011 6:29 PM, "Doug Steele" <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:

> I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
> > same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
> > following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near
> the
> > bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to
> click
> > the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
> > big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
> >
> > T
> >
> > Tina Norris Fields
> > tinanfields at torchlake.com
> > 231-322-2787
> >
> >
> > On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> >
> >> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a
> site
> >> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
> >>
> >> Charlotte Foust
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
> >> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
> >>
> >>  When I try to find paint.net
> >>>
> >>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
> >>> T
> >>>
> >>> Tina Norris Fields
> >>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> >>> 231-322-2787
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
> >>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Will download and have a look.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Darryl.
> >>>>
> >>>>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Dec  7 15:10:57 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:10:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such as
	Fences)
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
quite useful.

Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.

I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
AccessD Archive to work.

Does anyone have the original post or the link?

Thanks,
Brad



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 15:15:47 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:15:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such as
	Fences)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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Here's a link to a later post on the subject of useful software from Scott
Hanselman:

http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feedburner.com%2FScottHanselman

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
> info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
> had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
> quite useful.
>
> Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.
>
> I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
> AccessD Archive to work.
>
> Does anyone have the original post or the link?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Dec  7 15:20:29 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:20:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such
	asFences)
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAFa8Nkg7QwtOVGS5Xmron+UjwHurwv_WU87JJS5JH6h+CevLqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6E4@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

Doug,

Thanks.

I owe ya a beer!

Brad

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities
(such asFences)

Here's a link to a later post on the subject of useful software from
Scott
Hanselman:

http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feed
burner.com%2FScottHanselman

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
> info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
> had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
> quite useful.
>
> Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.
>
> I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
> AccessD Archive to work.
>
> Does anyone have the original post or the link?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Dec  7 15:33:11 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:33:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>

Dear Friends,

Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field 
in the students table in the first place.  There's a story behind this 
and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, 
this time.  This all began as a little database for a counselor friend 
of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were 
responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did 
make a lookup field in the students table that had a value list - just 
the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would 
ultimately be other counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.

When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and 
a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I overlooked the existing 
references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the 
reports.  So, when I saw that records were not appearing for the new 
counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to 
force updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID 
selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries and all the 
reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is 
the only real solution.

I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you 
all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be doing THAT!!!"  You are 
right.  I won't do it again.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the 
> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor 
> to placed in the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found 
> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be 
> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 15:44:43 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:44:43 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such
	asFences)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6E4@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAFa8Nkg7QwtOVGS5Xmron+UjwHurwv_WU87JJS5JH6h+CevLqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6E4@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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I will gladly accept one!

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Doug,
>
> Thanks.
>
> I owe ya a beer!
>
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities
> (such asFences)
>
> Here's a link to a later post on the subject of useful software from
> Scott
> Hanselman:
>
> http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feed
> burner.com%2FScottHanselman
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
> > info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
> > had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
> > quite useful.
> >
> > Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.
> >
> > I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
> > AccessD Archive to work.
> >
> > Does anyone have the original post or the link?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 16:49:07 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:49:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com> <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

" and in my heart of hearts I did know it."

Heh... You know Tina, over the years I have had many of these moments, and in every instance it has come back to bite me.  And the longer you leave it, the greater the pain.  These days when I get that feeling, I make sure I fix the problem immediately - even if it seems like a lot of unnecessary work.  I guess the golden rule is nothing should be fixed and everything can (and probably will) change.

I have a great example of "months in the year"  Sure, everyone knows they should be 12, but I had one year, in one company where they had to make it 11 months in a year instead  - they need to do this as the company had been purchased by another company who used a different report cycle.  To get the cycles aligned they had to effective drop a month.  In short,  everyone who had stuff hardcoded regarding months and periods etc had a lot of work to do...  A good example of something that will never ever change, changing.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Dear Friends,

Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field in the students table in the first place.  There's a story behind this and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, this time.  This all began as a little database for a counselor friend of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did make a lookup field in the students table that had a value list - just the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would ultimately be other counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.

When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I overlooked the existing references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the reports.  So, when I saw that records were not appearing for the new counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to force updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries and all the reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is the only real solution.

I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be doing THAT!!!"  You are right.  I won't do it again.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the 
> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor 
> to placed in the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found 
> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be 
> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Dec  7 17:04:15 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:04:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com> <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EDFF0EF.7000202@torchlake.com>

Darryl,
Thanks, that is a terrific story.  Yes, I think I finally have this 
lesson learned.  :-)
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/7/2011 5:49 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> " and in my heart of hearts I did know it."
>
> Heh... You know Tina, over the years I have had many of these moments, and in every instance it has come back to bite me.  And the longer you leave it, the greater the pain.  These days when I get that feeling, I make sure I fix the problem immediately - even if it seems like a lot of unnecessary work.  I guess the golden rule is nothing should be fixed and everything can (and probably will) change.
>
> I have a great example of "months in the year"  Sure, everyone knows they should be 12, but I had one year, in one company where they had to make it 11 months in a year instead  - they need to do this as the company had been purchased by another company who used a different report cycle.  To get the cycles aligned they had to effective drop a month.  In short,  everyone who had stuff hardcoded regarding months and periods etc had a lot of work to do...  A good example of something that will never ever change, changing.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
> Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 8:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field in the students table in the first place.  There's a story behind this and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, this time.  This all began as a little database for a counselor friend of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did make a lookup field in the students table that had a value list - just the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would ultimately be other counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.
>
> When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I overlooked the existing references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the reports.  So, when I saw that records were not appearing for the new counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to force updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries and all the reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is the only real solution.
>
> I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be doing THAT!!!"  You are right.  I won't do it again.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who
>> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the
>> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor
>> to placed in the student's record.
>>
>> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
>> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to
>> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found
>> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>>
>> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be
>> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> T
>>


From djkr at msn.com  Wed Dec  7 17:11:59 2011
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:11:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>

A place I worked for a while had Christmas Day fall in the fourth half of the third month, for similar reasons - yes,
the *fourth* half!  Never assume anything ...

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: 07 December 2011 22:49
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved


" and in my heart of hearts I did know it."

Heh... You know Tina, over the years I have had many of these moments, and in every instance it has come back to bite
me.  And the longer you leave it, the greater the pain.  These days when I get that feeling, I make sure I fix the
problem immediately - even if it seems like a lot of unnecessary work.  I guess the golden rule is nothing should be
fixed and everything can (and probably will) change.

I have a great example of "months in the year"  Sure, everyone knows they should be 12, but I had one year, in one
company where they had to make it 11 months in a year instead  - they need to do this as the company had been purchased
by another company who used a different report cycle.  To get the cycles aligned they had to effective drop a month.  In
short,  everyone who had stuff hardcoded regarding months and periods etc had a lot of work to do...  A good example of
something that will never ever change, changing.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Dear Friends,

Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field in the students table in the first place.
There's a story behind this and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, this time.  This all
began as a little database for a counselor friend of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were
responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did make a lookup field in the students table that
had a value list - just the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would ultimately be other
counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.

When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I
overlooked the existing references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the reports.  So, when I saw
that records were not appearing for the new counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to force
updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries
and all the reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is the only real solution.

I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be
doing THAT!!!"  You are right.  I won't do it again.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the 
> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor 
> to placed in the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found 
> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be
> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Dec  7 17:29:33 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:29:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EDFF6DD.9050605@torchlake.com>

Thank you, Arthur.  I have just ordered the book.

"Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to
recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to
Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children
will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up
smarter."


T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 17:33:02 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:33:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 17:43:22 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:43:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77efqzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>

Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system
resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu
building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple
dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I
discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a
weekly screen before it would work.

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms
> are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case
> there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of
> it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search
> that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus
> Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I
> double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I
> finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit
> some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) -
> this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually
> only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they
> are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are
> also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted
> with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the
> problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 17:59:26 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:59:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
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	<CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77efqzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Alright.  That sounds like a possible suspect.  I can make a start by unbinding the forms, not hard to do but a bit more coding work.  Heh, Hey Tina.  Thinking of you right now.  I was thinking when I started this - "leaving them bound is fast and easy, but I really should do them unbound like I usually do.  naah it will be ok..." :)

Here is a great example of what I am talking about.  Got a blank version of this database - no data in any of the table.  Been compacted and reopened after deleting the data - copied 40 lines of data (x 2 columns - so 80 fields of simple data data in all) into a table.  Get a "out of resources" message.  Blah!  Oddly it still copies the data in ok, once I press "ok" on the warning msgbox.

*Sigh*.  Will start to unbind the buggers and see if that helps - change to a JIT approach instead.

Thanks Doug! 

Cheers
D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who 
> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to 
> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no 
> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  
> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or 
> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started 
> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in 
> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save 
> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some 
> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets 
> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open 
> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing 
> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found 
> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am 
> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks 
> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users 
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  
> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I 
> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, 
> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is 
> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? 
> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is 
> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via 
> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and 
> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of 
> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with 
> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 
> records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being 
> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will 
> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> >
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 18:05:42 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 00:05:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77efqzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77efqzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Aaah, I dunno.  It is sooo damn random.    Sometimes the same database will function for hours without issue.  This morning, it is it misbehaving almost immediately.  Restarted the app and now it is purring along like a little kitten - no errors or anything.  Sheesh.   I don't mind things not working, but it is so much easier to find the problem when there are consistent symptoms.  It is the seemingly randomness that does my head in.  Just when I get relaxed about it, it will fail.   



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who 
> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to 
> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no 
> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  
> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or 
> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started 
> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in 
> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save 
> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some 
> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets 
> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open 
> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing 
> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found 
> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am 
> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks 
> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users 
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  
> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I 
> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, 
> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is 
> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? 
> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is 
> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via 
> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and 
> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of 
> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with 
> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 
> records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being 
> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will 
> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> >
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec  7 18:40:01 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:40:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <001601ccb541$ebc7bfe0$c3573fa0$@net>

37 tab multipage control ? That's HUGE.

I had horrible experience with multipage in 2007....
I am sure the same bugs have been carried thru to 2010.
Multipage was very "touchy"....especially during design mode.
I could easily crash Access consistently just by moving controls around.





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec  7 19:03:11 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 11:03:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EE00CCF.25250.F500EBF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Too many open connections with all of those listboxes and subforms?


On 7 Dec 2011 at 23:33, Darryl Collins wrote:
> 
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which
> has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small
> datasets. 
> 




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 19:16:56 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 01:16:56 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE00CCF.25250.F500EBF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4EE00CCF.25250.F500EBF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF391@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks guys.  That is the angle I am taking.  Even though I have worked on databases with many more bound controls et al, it seems this is the most likely suspect for these issues. Going to unbound everything and use value only lists in the list boxes. Luckily I have all code to do this fairly quickly.  Should only take a couple of days.

Will let you know how it goes.

Cheers
d

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 12:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Too many open connections with all of those listboxes and subforms?


On 7 Dec 2011 at 23:33, Darryl Collins wrote:
> 
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small 
> datasets.
> 


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 23:22:04 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 00:22:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hqMbUhc7Qwrhqek2PjZWph7E1upE_n7YUs6r7OQK37rw@mail.gmail.com>

I've got one like this, too. (Don't we all?)

Way back when, I did an app for an insurance company's pension fund arm.
The app worked just fine and everyone was happy, save one problem.
(Preamble: pension funds come and go.) Everything was rock-solid save one
particular report, about 90% of whose data was correct but the remainder
was wonky. I fought this problem on and off for about 6 weeks, to no avail.
Then one day in a meeting, someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day
years. They just wrote off the other 5.26 days as if they didn't exist.
Hence, on about 10& of the records, depending on calendar dates of the
relevant funds, the reports were a few dollars out there and there. Once
this was explained, I commented out all my clever date calculations (e.g.
365.26 is how to anticipate leap years) and pretended the world was flat,
and automagically all the data conformed to the flat earth. Whew! At last,
I was free to find a real job.

A.


From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 07:38:12 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 08:38:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hqMbUhc7Qwrhqek2PjZWph7E1upE_n7YUs6r7OQK37rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>
	<CAEPJO1hqMbUhc7Qwrhqek2PjZWph7E1upE_n7YUs6r7OQK37rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008301ccb5ae$a1bac290$e53047b0$@net>

Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"

Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
back in the requirements definition.
The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
coding.

So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?





From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec  8 07:47:23 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 07:47:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this -
	resolved)
Message-ID: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>

Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
plans - no matter how good the builders are!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"

Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
back in the requirements definition.
The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
coding.

So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  8 08:18:12 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 09:18:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Compression - interesting read
Message-ID: <4EE0C724.1040604@colbyconsulting.com>


http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlserverstorageengine/archive/2008/01/18/what-is-page-compression.aspx

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  8 08:29:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 09:29:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
Message-ID: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>

I had to go find this...

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlserverstorageengine/archive/2008/01/18/details-on-page-compression-page-dictionary.aspx

-- 
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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  8 08:31:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 09:31:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <008301ccb5ae$a1bac290$e53047b0$@net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>
	<CAEPJO1hqMbUhc7Qwrhqek2PjZWph7E1upE_n7YUs6r7OQK37rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008301ccb5ae$a1bac290$e53047b0$@net>
Message-ID: <4EE0CA3F.3020100@colbyconsulting.com>

 > So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?

This is not either / or.  Problems on either end can be just as devastating.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/8/2011 8:38 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
>
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
> back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
> coding.
>
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
>
>
>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  8 09:07:54 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:07:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF041@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77ef
	qzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF041@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>

Thanks for keeping me company, Darryl.  I'm going to make up a plaque 
that says something like NEVER, NEVER DO IT THE FAST AND EASY WAY.  
LATER ON IT IS GOING TO BITE YOU IN THE SIT-DOWN!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/7/2011 6:59 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Alright.  That sounds like a possible suspect.  I can make a start by unbinding the forms, not hard to do but a bit more coding work.  Heh, Hey Tina.  Thinking of you right now.  I was thinking when I started this - "leaving them bound is fast and easy, but I really should do them unbound like I usually do.  naah it will be ok..." :)
>
> Here is a great example of what I am talking about.  Got a blank version of this database - no data in any of the table.  Been compacted and reopened after deleting the data - copied 40 lines of data (x 2 columns - so 80 fields of simple data data in all) into a table.  Get a "out of resources" message.  Blah!  Oddly it still copies the data in ok, once I press "ok" on the warning msgbox.
>
> *Sigh*.  Will start to unbind the buggers and see if that helps - change to a JIT approach instead.
>
> Thanks Doug!
>
> Cheers
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
> 2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
> connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.
>
> Doug
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins<  darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>>
>> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who
>> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to
>> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no
>> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).
>> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or
>> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>>
>> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which
>> has
>> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the
>> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but
>> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>>
>> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started
>> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in
>> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save
>> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some
>> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets
>> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open
>> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing
>> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
>>
>> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found
>> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am
>> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks
>> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>>
>> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
>> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>>
>> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.
>> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I
>> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now,
>> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>>
>> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is
>> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF?
>> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is
>> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via
>> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>>   But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and
>> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of
>> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with
>> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10
>> records out of a total of 50
>> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being
>> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will
>> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>>
>> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> Darryl Collins
>> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
>> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
>> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>>
>> p: +61 3 9898 3242
>> m: +61 418 381 548
>> f: +61 3 9898 1855
>> e:
>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
>> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  8 09:18:52 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:18:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDD5FC9.21974.4DC27B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA25@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4EDD5FC9.21974.4DC27B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EE0D55C.50508@torchlake.com>

Love it!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/5/2011 7:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> http://www.thinkleadershipideas.com/leadershipideasblog/files/book.php
>
> On 6 Dec 2011 at 0:10, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>
>> But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)
>>
>> Just my thoughts
>> Darryl.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>>
>> I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table
>> and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle
>> layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now.
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 10:49:36 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 11:49:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have
one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I
would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you
use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count
towards the 255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37
tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are
bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there
is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that
it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access
thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double
checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished
with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will
fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some
sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is
where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all
the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is
open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all
set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing
bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort
of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort
of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is
going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
f: +61 3 9898 1855
e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 10:54:21 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 02:54:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this -
	resolved)
In-Reply-To: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EE0EBBD.18032.12B6B59A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

But if you are using Agile methodolgies, that requirement may not be identified until some 
distance down the track.    Building  Flexibility into your design is just as important and 
analysis and coding :-)


On 8 Dec 2011 at 7:47, Dan Waters wrote:

> Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
> plans - no matter how good the builders are!
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
> 
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
> 
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
> back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
> coding.
> 
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
> 
> 
> 
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Dec  8 10:57:25 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 11:57:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Jim,

Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about importing the form into another MDB file?

Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count towards the 255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
f: +61 3 9898 1855
e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 11:03:49 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 03:03:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF041@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Like the "fast and easy"  function I put in an A97 application that I built years ago which  is still 
in use

Functiion Wait(secs as long) as long
DIm t as Single
t = timer
Do
Doevents
Loop until timer = t + secs
End Function

It worked fine for years until a couple of  months ago when they ran a monthly process late at 
night and the Wait function was in the middle of the loop at midnight :-(

-- 
Stuart

On 8 Dec 2011 at 10:07, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> Thanks for keeping me company, Darryl.  I'm going to make up a plaque 
> that says something like NEVER, NEVER DO IT THE FAST AND EASY WAY.  
> LATER ON IT IS GOING TO BITE YOU IN THE SIT-DOWN!
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> 
> On 12/7/2011 6:59 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> > Alright.  That sounds like a possible suspect.  I can make a start by unbinding the forms, not hard to do but a bit more coding work.  Heh, Hey Tina.  Thinking of you right now.  I was thinking when I started this - "leaving them bound is fast and easy, but I really should do them unbound like I usually do.  naah it will be ok..." :)
> >
> > Here is a great example of what I am talking about.  Got a blank version of this database - no data in any of the table.  Been compacted and reopened after deleting the data - copied 40 lines of data (x 2 columns - so 80 fields of simple data data in all) into a table.  Get a "out of resources" message.  Blah!  Oddly it still copies the data in ok, once I press "ok" on the warning msgbox.
> >
> > *Sigh*.  Will start to unbind the buggers and see if that helps - change to a JIT approach instead.
> >
> > Thanks Doug!
> >
> > Cheers
> > D
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> > Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
> >
> > Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
> > 2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
> > connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins<  darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
> >>
> >> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who
> >> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to
> >> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no
> >> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).
> >> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or
> >> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
> >>
> >> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which
> >> has
> >> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the
> >> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but
> >> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
> >>
> >> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started
> >> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in
> >> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save
> >> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some
> >> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets
> >> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open
> >> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing
> >> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
> >>
> >> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found
> >> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am
> >> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks
> >> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
> >>
> >> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> >> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
> >>
> >> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.
> >> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I
> >> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now,
> >> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
> >>
> >> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is
> >> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF?
> >> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is
> >> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via
> >> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
> >>   But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and
> >> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of
> >> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with
> >> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10
> >> records out of a total of 50
> >> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being
> >> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will
> >> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
> >>
> >> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Darryl.
> >>
> >> Darryl Collins
> >> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> >> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> >> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
> >>
> >> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> >> m: +61 418 381 548
> >> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> >> e:
> >> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> >> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
> >>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 11:05:23 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:05:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkg2g9XvPfsHrPEVhafDRO+3PK0f1XKVNSk7qarKfDtxbw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim:

Thanks for correcting my answer - my memory didn't serve me well.  The
problem with my mighty recipe database was the control count.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Couple of comments:
>
> 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only
> have
> one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
> currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
> into the 255 user limit there.
>
> 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
> used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and
> I
> would guess that's what your running into.
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> you didn't run into that one.
>
> 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
> This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as
> you
> use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
> connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will
> count
> towards the 255 limit.
>
> HTH,
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37
> tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are
> bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there
> is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of
> it.
> Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that
> it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access
> thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double
> checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished
> with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> will
> fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some
> sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is
> where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all
> the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1
> is
> open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all
> set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing
> bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that
> sort
> of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that
> sort
> of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what
> is
> going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Dec  8 13:29:15 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:29:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
	-resolved)
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

"Weeks of Computer Programming Can Save You Hours of Planning"  

:-)







-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
-resolved)

Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
plans - no matter how good the builders are!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"

Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out
way
back in the requirements definition.
The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by
crappy
coding.

So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?



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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Thu Dec  8 14:02:59 2011
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 21:02:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do
	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <A921102295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>

Oh what a wonderful statement!
Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Brad Marks
Sendt: 8. december 2011 20:29
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this-resolved)

"Weeks of Computer Programming Can Save You Hours of Planning"  

:-)





From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec  8 14:46:56 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:46:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
	-	resolved)
In-Reply-To: <4EE0EBBD.18032.12B6B59A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<4EE0EBBD.18032.12B6B59A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001301ccb5ea$866c7010$93455030$@comcast.net>

By Definition, if you are using Agile, building flexibility into your design
is one of the developer's requirements!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this -
resolved)

But if you are using Agile methodolgies, that requirement may not be
identified until some 
distance down the track.    Building  Flexibility into your design is just
as important and 
analysis and coding :-)


On 8 Dec 2011 at 7:47, Dan Waters wrote:

> Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with 
> bad plans - no matter how good the builders are!
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
> 
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
> 
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out 
> way back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by 
> crappy coding.
> 
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
> 
> 
> 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 14:52:02 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:52:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF041@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>
	<4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>

I love this story !!!

> Like the "fast and easy"  function I put in an A97 application that I
> built years ago which  is still
> in use
>
> Function Wait(secs as long) as long
> DIm t as Single
> t = timer
> Do
> Doevents
> Loop until timer = t + secs
> End Function
>
> It worked fine for years until a couple of  months ago when they ran a
> monthly process late at
> night and the Wait function was in the middle of the loop at midnight




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 15:06:41 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 07:06:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>
Message-ID: <4EE126E1.21363.139DBBA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep, there was "no way" that this would ever be run other than over a couple of hours during 
a normal work day. :-)

-- 
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On 8 Dec 2011 at 15:52, Mark Simms wrote:

> I love this story !!!
> 
> > Like the "fast and easy"  function I put in an A97 application that I
> > built years ago which  is still
> > in use
> >
> > Function Wait(secs as long) as long
> > DIm t as Single
> > t = timer
> > Do
> > Doevents
> > Loop until timer = t + secs
> > End Function
> >
> > It worked fine for years until a couple of  months ago when they ran a
> > monthly process late at
> > night and the Wait function was in the middle of the loop at midnight
> 
> 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 15:29:21 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:29:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>

Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control count
is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change a
thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then you
have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
Charlotte Foust
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
> reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
> count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
> importing the form into another MDB file?
>
> Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
>
>  Couple of comments:
>
> 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only
> have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
> currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
> into the 255 user limit there.
>
> 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
> used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and
> I would guess that's what your running into.
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> you didn't run into that one.
>
> 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
> This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as
> you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
> connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will
> count towards the 255 limit.
>
> HTH,
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms
> are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case
> there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
> Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search
> that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus
> Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I
> double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I
> finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit
> some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) -
> this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually
> only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they
> are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are
> also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted
> with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the
> problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au
>
> <http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/
>
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 16:07:32 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 08:07:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE13524.23286.13D57150@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That was one of the benefits of EatBloat.

One way to reset the control count  is Application.SaveAsText/LoadFromText.

-- 
Stuart

On 8 Dec 2011 at 13:29, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control count
> is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change a
> thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then you
> have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
> Charlotte Foust
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Heenan, Lambert <
> Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:
> 
> > Jim,
> >
> > Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
> > reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
> > count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
> > importing the form into another MDB file?
> >
> > Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit.
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
> >
> >
> >  Couple of comments:
> >
> > 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only
> > have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
> > currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
> > into the 255 user limit there.
> >
> > 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
> > used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and
> > I would guess that's what your running into.
> >
> > 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> > big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> > does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> > you didn't run into that one.
> >
> > 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
> > This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as
> > you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
> > connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will
> > count towards the 255 limit.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> > Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
> >
> > I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> > it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> > with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> > connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> > tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> > processing at all - basic stuff.
> >
> > The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has
> > 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms
> > are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case
> > there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
> >
> > For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> > error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> > another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
> > Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search
> > that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus
> > Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I
> > double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I
> > finished with them.
> >
> > Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> > piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> > that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> > couple of modules so hard to say:
> >
> > "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> > CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
> >
> > This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> > wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> > could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> > two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
> >
> > The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> > don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> > will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit
> > some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) -
> > this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
> >  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually
> > only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they
> > are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are
> > also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50
> > - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted
> > with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the
> > problem, but what is going here?
> >
> > Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> > Darryl Collins
> > Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> > Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> > Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
> >
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Dec  8 16:54:41 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 02:54:41 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Compression_Interesting_read_-_part_2?=
In-Reply-To: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>

Hi John --

Yes, this PAGE compression feature makes using natural keys for OLAP systems more preferable than using surrogate keys..

Thank you.

-- Shamil.


08 ??????? 2011, 18:31 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> I had to go find this...
> 
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlserverstorageengine/archive/2008/01/18/details-on-page-compression-page-dictionary.aspx
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
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> when you do not believe in it
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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 17:15:30 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:15:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWyC9Ee5FQSGMBXZFuMzvP-7sgFXy1gM334dz4wE7O9vQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Heenan, Lambert:
>
> Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
> reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
> count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
> importing the form into another MDB file?
>
> Jim Dettman:
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> you didn't run into that one.
>

There is one moderately sneaky way around this limit.  Steps:

1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
and 'text234'.

2. Count the number of controls on your form. With the form in design view,
enter this in the Immediate window:
    ? Forms("frmFoo").Controls.Count

2. Save the form as text, using this command:
    Application.SaveAsText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
edit it to the number of controls +1:
        ItemSuffix =128

4. Backup your Access file. Delete the problem form. Compact & Repair.

5. Import the form using:
    Application.LoadFromText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

You should now be able to add new controls to your previously 'stuck' form.

It is a little work, but probably less than copying all the controls, code
and properties over to a new form.

-Ken


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 17:26:19 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 09:26:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
In-Reply-To: <E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how data page 
compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Dec 2011 at 2:54, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> Hi John --
> 
> Yes, this PAGE compression feature makes using natural keys for OLAP
> systems more preferable than using surrogate keys.. 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil.
> 




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec  8 17:45:35 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:45:35 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55F062E@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Well,  Yes and no.   If you are at the absolute limit because you have > 754 controls then you are screwed - and moving to a new form won't help at all.

On an existing form that is corrupt or crashing though, there is hope.  Access forms are a bit stupid it seems when it comes to counting controls.  If you have a single form and add 753 controls, Save the form.  Then you delete the controls and add another 5.  Then the form will crash even though there are only 5 controls on the form.  Trouble is,  the control count is absolute and doesn't decrease when you delete controls - everytime you add a control it adds 1 to the count regardless of if the control still exists or not.

This is highly bothersome if you consistently copy a default type form and then remove and add new controls.  Sooner or later you hit the limit regardless of the number of controls on the form.

In this instance importing the controls into a brand new form DOES help, as the control count starts a zero on a new form.

Many times, on control heavy forms I have used this to get out of bother.  Now why they have the limit, and why it doesn't decrease when delete controls is a question for someone deep in the MS bunker, Redmond WA USA.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control count is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change a thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then you have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
Charlotte Foust
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count 
> gets reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a 
> controls count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? 
> What about importing the form into another MDB file?
>
> Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
>
>  Couple of comments:
>
> 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should 
> only have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always 
> using currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your 
> bumping into the 255 user limit there.
>
> 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID 
> is used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is 
> huge and I would guess that's what your running into.
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch 
> how big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a 
> control does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments 
> it).  Surprised you didn't run into that one.
>
> 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection 
> This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long 
> as you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open 
> ADO connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and 
> will count towards the 255 limit.
>
> HTH,
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl 
> Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who 
> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to 
> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no 
> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  
> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or 
> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started 
> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in 
> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
> Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search 
> that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus 
> Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I 
> double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I 
> finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found 
> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am 
> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks 
> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users 
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  
> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I 
> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, 
> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is 
> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? 
> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is 
> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via 
> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and 
> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of 
> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with 
> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 
> records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being 
> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will 
> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec  8 17:52:53 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:52:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Jim,

Many thanks.  Yep, Point 1 was initially my main concern with using 37 tabs on a single form. I was aware of the control limit on forms and have hit it many times in the past, but usually due to the issue I mentioned in the other post (control count not adjusting when controls are deleted etc).

I feel point 2 is probably what is happening.  2048 sound like a big number, but if every listbox is bound then you can gobble them up rather quickly.  I need to leave some of the subforms bound as I am using them as datasheet views.  However, yesterday I bit the bullet and did what I should have done from day 1 and converted all of the listboxes to Value lists only (waves at Tina ;)).

Whilst I was running out of enthusiasm with the huge shebang and I need to test it a lot more, the database didn't seem to have any more issues (fingers crossed) and using value lists load and respond a darn site faster anyway.  Only down side to them is there is a limit to just how much data you can fit into a value list (at least loading them they I am via an "adstring" command).  In this case it doesn't matter.  Most of the lists only have 1-20 entries anyway - so easy.

I am using DAO for all connections - well I was, I am using an ADO connection to create the listbox strings for the value list.  But that is all working good.

Really appreciate your time and effort on this.

cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 3:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count towards the 255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 19:33:14 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:33:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
In-Reply-To: <4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
	<4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>

PULEASE - no more KEY WARS !!!! (although Shamil is right)

> Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how
> data page compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?




From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 19:35:06 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:35:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
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References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55F062E@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <003e01ccb612$c81e3070$585a9150$@net>

Re: "Now why they have the limit, and why it doesn't decrease when delete
controls is a question for someone deep in the MS bunker, Redmond WA USA."
Two words: MEMORY MANAGEMENT

Access is still written in C++ AFAIK.





From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 21:41:04 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 22:41:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do
	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <A921102295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<A921102295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>
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Referring back to my original whine about this problem, in the absence of a
definition of calendar-years, how was I supposed to know there might be a
difference between the real world and the world of pension-funds? A
pension-fund specialist or programmer of apps in this field might have
known to ask this question, but I didn't, nor did any of the
requirements-people deem it worth mentioning.

Granted, now that I've been severely bitten and savaged by this, I know
enough to ask about the definition of a year. But even granting that, what
about the definition of a month? How to handle leap-years? How many
Requirements-meetings shall be consumed discovering these anomalies? Thank
God that I have subsequently learned that Gathering and Verifying
Requirements is a (and perhaps The Most) billable item on the ultimate
invoice; and that any subsequent changes to the Requirements document is
also billable vis-a-vis the Development spec. The beauty part of this
arrangement is that when some flunky wants this to work that way instead of
the previously-accepted spec, I get to say, "Ok, but it's going to cost you
another $10+K. Are you sure you want to make this change?" Which adroitly
punts the ball to her or him, and forces her or him to justify the change
in specs. Even more elegant, all such requests for change are directly
traceable to the person who requested them. LOL. Twice bitten, thrice shy,
as it were. "You want to fork with me? Go ahead, it's all billable,
directly to you! So there, MoFo." Go ahead, stretch your middle-management
muscles, but your bosses will know precisely whom to blame for the OverRuns.

A.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond <ab-mi at post3.tele.dk> wrote:

> Oh what a wonderful statement!
> Asger
>
>


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec  8 22:02:47 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 04:02:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to
	do	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<A921102295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>
	<CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55F0794@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Heh.. Outstanding.  And I totally agree - many times I have ended up making much more mulla than the original spec as the stakeholders are unable to agree on much.  Person X will request this feature, Person Y want something else.  You add both, and then their manager will make changes again - or remove the said functions.  Good for the invoice, but it can be frustrating.  Indeed for one client I almost never deleted any feature they had been requested and built, I would merely turn if 'off' or made it invisible.  It was fairly common for a 'deleted' function to be reinstated in a month or two at the insistence of someone in the organisation.  Fun stuff.  I always document who requested what and when - and often even show it as a line item on the invoice for those hours.  This makes any discussion about budget overruns easier to deal with I find.  Sure, there maybe some heat and fire from the accounting dept, but at least I am not in the firing line ;)

Live and learn...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 2:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this-resolved)

Referring back to my original whine about this problem, in the absence of a definition of calendar-years, how was I supposed to know there might be a difference between the real world and the world of pension-funds? A pension-fund specialist or programmer of apps in this field might have known to ask this question, but I didn't, nor did any of the requirements-people deem it worth mentioning.

Granted, now that I've been severely bitten and savaged by this, I know enough to ask about the definition of a year. But even granting that, what about the definition of a month? How to handle leap-years? How many Requirements-meetings shall be consumed discovering these anomalies? Thank God that I have subsequently learned that Gathering and Verifying Requirements is a (and perhaps The Most) billable item on the ultimate invoice; and that any subsequent changes to the Requirements document is also billable vis-a-vis the Development spec. The beauty part of this arrangement is that when some flunky wants this to work that way instead of the previously-accepted spec, I get to say, "Ok, but it's going to cost you another $10+K. Are you sure you want to make this change?" Which adroitly punts the ball to her or him, and forces her or him to justify the change in specs. Even more elegant, all such requests for change are directly traceable to the person who requested them. LOL. Twice bitten, thrice shy, as it were. "You want to fork with me? Go ahead, it's all billable, directly to you! So there, MoFo." Go ahead, stretch your middle-management muscles, but your bosses will know precisely whom to blame for the OverRuns.

A.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond <ab-mi at post3.tele.dk> wrote:

> Oh what a wonderful statement!
> Asger
>
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec  9 03:26:35 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:26:35 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Compression_Interesting_read_-_part_2?=
In-Reply-To: <4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
	<4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E1RYwix-0001or-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f14.mail.ru>

Hi Stuart --

Thank you for your question.

AFAIU MS SQL page compression feature substitutes all the duplicate entries in data records columns of  a DB file page by one/two/... bytes long references to "dictionary" area located on the same page.
By "duplicate entries" are meant not only full length columns' values but also their  values' leading parts...
Please read the articles/blog entries JC referred in his postings for details.

Please correct me if you'll find I'm wrong.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S.  Stuart, please note I've written "using natural keys for *OLAP* systems" - I have no any intentions in re-starting "surrogate vs. natural keys" generic discussion covering OLTP systems - I'm *currently* strong advocate of using surrogate keys in OLTP systems.... 


09 ??????? 2011, 03:27 ?? "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>:
> Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how data page
> compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> On 9 Dec 2011 at 2:54, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> 
> > Hi John --
> >
> > Yes, this PAGE compression feature makes using natural keys for OLAP
> > systems more preferable than using surrogate keys..
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > -- Shamil.
> >
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec  9 03:30:29 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:30:29 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Compression_Interesting_read_-_part_2?=
In-Reply-To: <003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>
Message-ID: <E1RYwmj-0001Mc-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f139.mail.ru>

Hi Mark --

Yes, no KEY WARS - you can see my reply to Stuart where I outlined that I do not have any intentions for a war/flame like that.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


09 ??????? 2011, 05:34 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> PULEASE - no more KEY WARS !!!! (although Shamil is right)
> 
> > Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how
> > data page compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  9 03:43:07 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 19:43:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
In-Reply-To: <E1RYwmj-0001Mc-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f139.mail.ru>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>,
	<E1RYwmj-0001Mc-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f139.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4EE1D82B.9612.16524732@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I wasn't trying to start a war either :-)

I just couldn't see the relationship between  data compression and the different type of keys.   

I'm still not sure that I do, I will have to look at the original article more carefully.


On 9 Dec 2011 at 13:30, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> Hi Mark --
> 
> Yes, no KEY WARS - you can see my reply to Stuart where I outlined that I do not have any intentions for a war/flame like that.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> 09  2011, 05:34  "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> > PULEASE - no more KEY WARS !!!! (although Shamil is right)
> > 
> > > Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how
> > > data page compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?
> > 
> > --
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Dec  9 04:07:28 2011
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:07:28 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error
Message-ID: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>

It is getting late.  Can anyone see why I am getting error 91 Object 
variable or With block variable not set) when the "Set rst2" line is 
run?  I have checked the value of strSQL and it looks ok.  I have put 
the sql into a query and it returns the expected result.  Could it be 
because OpenRecordset doesn't like group by queries?

     Dim db As DAO.Database, rst2 As DAO.Recordset, strSQL As String

     Set db = CurrentDb()

     strSQL = "SELECT Sum(UnitAmt) AS TotalAmt, 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblTenantInvoiceMeter INNER JOIN 
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran ON 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceMeterID = 
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran.TenantInvoiceMeterIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "GROUP BY 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo HAVING 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo = 9"
     Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 



From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Dec  9 04:22:23 2011
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:22:23 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error
In-Reply-To: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.c o.nz>
References: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <20111209102235.CGYG28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>

Never mind.  I found it - I had closed db in an earlier part of the 
code between setting it and referring to rst2.

At 9/12/2011, David Emerson wrote:
>It is getting late.  Can anyone see why I am getting error 91 Object 
>variable or With block variable not set) when the "Set rst2" line is 
>run?  I have checked the value of strSQL and it looks ok.  I have 
>put the sql into a query and it returns the expected result.  Could 
>it be because OpenRecordset doesn't like group by queries?
>
>     Dim db As DAO.Database, rst2 As DAO.Recordset, strSQL As String
>
>     Set db = CurrentDb()
>
>     strSQL = "SELECT Sum(UnitAmt) AS TotalAmt, 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo "
>     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblTenantInvoiceMeter INNER JOIN 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran ON 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceMeterID = 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran.TenantInvoiceMeterIDNo "
>     strSQL = strSQL & "GROUP BY 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo HAVING 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo = 9"
>     Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>Dalyn Software Ltd
>Wellington, New Zealand
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  9 08:10:03 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 06:10:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error
In-Reply-To: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <CFF61765E36E42D6B70F1FC1FD385362@HAL9007>

I can't see it either but what I do in cases like this is put strSQL into a
text box on my form, then copy the contest of the text box to the SQL view
of a new query and go to design view.  If it makes it that far, I run it.
Lots of times it will tell me what the real error is.

The error 91 would seem to be pointing to db as not being set.  Is the
reference to DAO set correctly?

The next thing I'd do is Dim db2 as dao.Databaser and set db2 = CurrentDb.
Then use db2 to set rst2 and see if it makes a difference.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 2:07 AM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error

It is getting late.  Can anyone see why I am getting error 91 Object
variable or With block variable not set) when the "Set rst2" line is run?  I
have checked the value of strSQL and it looks ok.  I have put the sql into a
query and it returns the expected result.  Could it be because OpenRecordset
doesn't like group by queries?

     Dim db As DAO.Database, rst2 As DAO.Recordset, strSQL As String

     Set db = CurrentDb()

     strSQL = "SELECT Sum(UnitAmt) AS TotalAmt,
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblTenantInvoiceMeter INNER JOIN
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran ON tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceMeterID =
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran.TenantInvoiceMeterIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "GROUP BY
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo HAVING
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo = 9"
     Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 10:41:59 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:41:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE126E1.21363.139DBBA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>
	<4EE126E1.21363.139DBBA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EE23A57.40009@torchlake.com>

Oh boy!  Yeah, the user has a very different perspective from the developer.

My township had an Excel spreadsheet for registered voters.  The state 
developed a new standard and the spreadsheet had to be updated to 
match.  Of course, in the township's spreadsheet the voter's name was 
just one cell, with no standardization for data entry (my name, for 
instance, could have been entered as "Tina Norris Fields," "Fields, Tina 
N.," "Fields, Tina Norris," "Mr.s Tina Fields," and any other 
configurations you can think of).  So, I was asked to help.  When it got 
to the field for a name suffix, such as "Jr.," "Sr.," "III," "Esq." and 
the like, the office assistant actually said to me, "No, we don't have 
to worry about that, there aren't that many of them."  It had never 
dawned on her that the field would be required if there was even one 
person with a name suffix.

I get it that our different perspectives color the way we see the 
problem.  I just haven't figured out how to properly anticipate the 
user's likely take on it.  :-)

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/8/2011 4:06 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Yep, there was "no way" that this would ever be run other than over a couple of hours during
> a normal work day. :-)
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 10:42:55 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:42:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do
	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <4EE23A8F.4020205@torchlake.com>

ROTFLMAO!!!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/8/2011 2:29 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> "Weeks of Computer Programming Can Save You Hours of Planning"
>
> :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:47 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
> -resolved)
>
> Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
> plans - no matter how good the builders are!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
>
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
>
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out
> way
> back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by
> crappy
> coding.
>
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
>
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 10:45:36 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:45:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to
	dothis-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><A9211
	02295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>
	<CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE23B30.2050302@torchlake.com>

Yay, Arthur!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/8/2011 10:41 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Referring back to my original whine about this problem, in the absence of a
> definition of calendar-years, how was I supposed to know there might be a
> difference between the real world and the world of pension-funds? A
> pension-fund specialist or programmer of apps in this field might have
> known to ask this question, but I didn't, nor did any of the
> requirements-people deem it worth mentioning.
>
> Granted, now that I've been severely bitten and savaged by this, I know
> enough to ask about the definition of a year. But even granting that, what
> about the definition of a month? How to handle leap-years? How many
> Requirements-meetings shall be consumed discovering these anomalies? Thank
> God that I have subsequently learned that Gathering and Verifying
> Requirements is a (and perhaps The Most) billable item on the ultimate
> invoice; and that any subsequent changes to the Requirements document is
> also billable vis-a-vis the Development spec. The beauty part of this
> arrangement is that when some flunky wants this to work that way instead of
> the previously-accepted spec, I get to say, "Ok, but it's going to cost you
> another $10+K. Are you sure you want to make this change?" Which adroitly
> punts the ball to her or him, and forces her or him to justify the change
> in specs. Even more elegant, all such requests for change are directly
> traceable to the person who requested them. LOL. Twice bitten, thrice shy,
> as it were. "You want to fork with me? Go ahead, it's all billable,
> directly to you! So there, MoFo." Go ahead, stretch your middle-management
> muscles, but your bosses will know precisely whom to blame for the OverRuns.
>
> A.
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond<ab-mi at post3.tele.dk>  wrote:
>
>> Oh what a wonderful statement!
>> Asger
>>
>>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Dec  9 10:55:24 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:55:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>


  No, un-changed, and nope.  

  Every control you create increments the count.  Deleting a control does
not decrement it, so the count only goes up.

  Importing into a new DB does not reset the count.  Once you hit the limit,
all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.  You
can't add any more controls to the existing form.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Jim,

Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
importing the form into another MDB file?

Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have
one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I
would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection This
is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you use
it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO connections,
each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count towards the
255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37
tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are
bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there
is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that
it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access
thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double
checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished
with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will
fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some
sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is
where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all
the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is
open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all
set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing
bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort
of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort
of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is
going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 11:41:03 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:41:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jL533rqO8N_2sdvU_hyemEpSDiwLPHYPYA9_XxEw62RQ@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting theory, which I am in no position to prove or disprove. But I
am thinking of JC's JIT-tabbed forms construct. Are you suggesting that
despite JC's innovative solution to the many-tabs problem, that all this
shyte  remains in memory despite JC's unloading of the various sub-forms?
Alternatively, am I missing the point completely? (Wouldn't be the first
time!)

A.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  No, un-changed, and nope.
>
>  Every control you create increments the count.  Deleting a control does
> not decrement it, so the count only goes up.
>
>  Importing into a new DB does not reset the count.  Once you hit the limit,
> all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.  You
> can't add any more controls to the existing form.
>
> Jim.
>
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec  9 12:08:23 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:08:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
Message-ID: <000a01ccb69d$8b0d7f20$a1287d60$@net>

Is there some VBA to do this ?

> all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.




From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Dec  9 13:25:17 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 13:25:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Controlling an Access 2007 EIS Application via RealVNC on
	the iPad - almost as good as Angry Birds
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS><B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net><413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
	<000a01ccb69d$8b0d7f20$a1287d60$@net>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C8A8@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I have built an Executive Information System (reports, graphs, gauges,
etc.) 
with Access 2007 that runs on a remote server.  Most of the data comes
from 
a SQL Server database.  The remote server has the "server component" of
a 
remote control product called RealVNC.

Last week I learned that there was a $5.00 RealVNC "Client" component 
available for the iPad.  (I believe that the "Server" component 
is about $50.00)

You folks may already being using this kind of stuff, but this was a new

adventure for me.

Picture this... sitting in the living room at night, feet up on the 
recliner, beer in one hand,  "Dancing with the Stars" on TV, fireplace
is 
stoked up (Minnesota), pretending to be carrying on a conversation with
my 
wife, but really controlling the EIS Access application on the iPad.  As
we used to say in 
the 1960's "Wow... far out - this is a whole bunch of groovey".  I guess
the 
younger generation would say something like "This Rocks".  

Anyway, being able to use this application on the iPad (and future
iPhone) 
opens up all kinds of new possibilities.   Admittedly this isn't the
ticket 
for an application that demands a ton of data entry, but for an inquiry 
system, it seems pretty cool.

The only problem is that we may now need to get a second iPad as my
wife, 
kids, and two grandkids are pretty hooked on Angry Birds  :-)

Brad     



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  9 13:29:42 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:29:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jL533rqO8N_2sdvU_hyemEpSDiwLPHYPYA9_XxEw62RQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jL533rqO8N_2sdvU_hyemEpSDiwLPHYPYA9_XxEw62RQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE261A6.4080505@colbyconsulting.com>

 >Are you suggesting that despite JC's innovative solution to the many-tabs problem, that all this 
shyte  remains in memory despite JC's unloading of the various sub-forms?

Nope it doesn't remain in memory if the subform on a tab unloads when you click off a tab.

All objects on any form or subform loads into memory when the form loads, and unloads when the form 
unloads.  My JIT stuff simply delays the loading of the subform until the user clicks the tab that 
the subform is on.  I then (may) unload the subform(s) on that tab when the user clicks on another 
tab.

The database connections form a pool.  As any object in Access needs a connection, it goes to the 
pool to get one and when that object closes it returns the connection to the pool.

The objects on a form are related to the number of available connections in that when it is time to 
load a form, all connections that the loading form needs have to exist (be available) when the form 
loads.  However as the form unloads, it returns the connections back to the pool.  That is quite the 
point of JIT subforms, to only get the connections when the user actually cares (is trying to look 
at the subform) and return these precious connections once the user moves on.

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the number of objects (controls) a form can contain 
initially or how many can be added to the form right now.  Each form has a similar pool of controls 
that it can add.  The difference is that as you delete a control off a form it does not return that 
"spot" in the pool back to the pool.  Thus over time, as you add and delete controls on the form, 
the number of available "spots" slowly diminishes until they are all used up.

This "objects on a given form" pool has nothing to do with the "available database connections" pool.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/9/2011 12:41 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Interesting theory, which I am in no position to prove or disprove. But I
> am thinking of JC's JIT-tabbed forms construct. Are you suggesting that
> despite JC's innovative solution to the many-tabs problem, that all this
> shyte  remains in memory despite JC's unloading of the various sub-forms?
> Alternatively, am I missing the point completely? (Wouldn't be the first
> time!)
>
> A.



From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 14:21:53 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:21:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>

Stuart, Darryl, Charlotte & Jim:


> Stuart McLachlan:
> ...
> One way to reset the control count  is Application.SaveAsText/LoadFromText.
>

This does not work by itself. You have to reset the ItemSuffix attribute in
the resulting text file before loading it back in. And, you can't have any
controls with default names.

See my earlier post under this topic.

Darryl Collins:
> ...
> In this instance importing the controls into a brand new form DOES help,
> as the control count starts a zero on a new form.
> Many times, on control heavy forms I have used this to get out of bother.
>  Now why they have the limit, and why it doesn't decrease when delete
> controls is a question for someone deep in the MS bunker, Redmond WA USA
>

Try my variation on the SaveAsText/LoadFromText method that I outlined in
my earlier post. I have verified this to work.

Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but there
are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving 754
for the user.

Charlotte Foust:
> ...
> Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control
> count is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change
> a thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then
> you have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
>


> Jim Dettman:
> ...
> Importing into a new DB does not reset the count.  Once you hit the limit,
> all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.  You
> can't add any more controls to the existing form.
>

You both are right that imports and form copies don't reset the count. You
can only copy the controls, code and properties to a new form, or use my
technique.

-Ken


From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec  9 18:22:48 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 19:22:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>

Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but
there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving
754 for the user."

Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME WHY
WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 10 09:44:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:44:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
Message-ID: <4EE37E52.2090702@colbyconsulting.com>

Well there are much more important things in life than the number of controls on a form.  Like 
pretty tool bars.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/9/2011 7:22 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but
> there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving
> 754 for the user."
>
> Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME WHY
> WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?
>
>



From john at winhaven.net  Sat Dec 10 10:04:07 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:04:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <4EE37E52.2090702@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>	<008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
	<4EE37E52.2090702@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <038e01ccb755$58d63c00$0a82b400$@winhaven.net>

A-hem, that's "Ribbons"

;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 9:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Well there are much more important things in life than the number of
controls on a form.  Like pretty tool bars.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/9/2011 7:22 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, 
> but there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the 
> application, leaving
> 754 for the user."
>
> Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS 
> TIME WHY WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?
>
>

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 21:14:28 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:14:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
Message-ID: <00d701ccb7b2$ff06d000$fd147000$@gmail.com>

I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation. Especially
a number like 754! Number theorists, have at it!

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Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but
there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving
754 for the user."

Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME WHY
WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec 11 18:17:22 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:17:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <00d701ccb7b2$ff06d000$fd147000$@gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
	<00d701ccb7b2$ff06d000$fd147000$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501ccb863$6b5e5880$421b0980$@net>

Bill -What Balmer did recently was to "distribute" the product manager role
for Access.
There are now multiple product managers...all over the globe.

>From what I know, Clint Covington is either no longer involved or no longer
with Microsoft.
I'm sure he had taken a LOT of heat past 3 years.
So he got out of the kitchen, so-to-speak.
Now, NO ONE PERSON is responsible for Access.

Slick move by Balmer, eh ?
Never liked the guy, never will.





From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 10:17:37 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:17:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 10:31:38 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:31:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
Message-ID: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


From cjlabs at att.net  Mon Dec 12 10:39:58 2011
From: cjlabs at att.net (Carolyn Johnson)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:39:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>

Rocky,

I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing correctly in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

 Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access 2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


Carolyn Johnson



----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Dear List:
   
  I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
  however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
  housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
  code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
   
  Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
   
  I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
  customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
  support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
  them the system.
   
  MTIA
   
  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software
  858-259-4334
  www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
  www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 10:56:56 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:56:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
	<F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>
Message-ID: <A83D0BB77AB9434B882141684418653D@HAL9007>

Do you think the maximize problem is an artifact of the resizing code?

The ADH code has caused me some problems over the years, but has been pretty
reliable.  I've got a lot of forms to change over so I'm not anxious to
switch but if I have to...

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Rocky,

I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing correctly
in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

 Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access
2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is
available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


Carolyn Johnson



----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Dear List:
   
  I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
  however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
  housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
  code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
   
  Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
   
  I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
  customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
  support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
  them the system.
   
  MTIA
   
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  Beach Access Software
  858-259-4334
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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Mon Dec 12 10:57:28 2011
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:57:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From cjlabs at att.net  Mon Dec 12 11:06:50 2011
From: cjlabs at att.net (Carolyn Johnson)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:06:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>
	<A83D0BB77AB9434B882141684418653D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <6126DBCEE4A74D8DB9A87053C941E480@Dell>

It's difficult for me to say.  I have about 100 users for different databases, all on different computers, and was getting some complaints about screens not fitting the monitors and controls moving to the wrong place.   But it's hard to know exactly what was going on in the different situations -- the users are generally not reliable reporters.   I had been using ADH since 1999 or so and was reluctant to switch as well.

I'm getting fewer complaints with AD Tejpal's code.  I just did a mass find and replace with some occasional editing -- it went pretty smoothly.  

But you may be having a different issue if it's just a maximizing problem.


Carolyn Johnson


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Do you think the maximize problem is an artifact of the resizing code?

  The ADH code has caused me some problems over the years, but has been pretty
  reliable.  I've got a lot of forms to change over so I'm not anxious to
  switch but if I have to...

  Rocky


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

  Rocky,

  I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing correctly
  in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

  I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

   Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access
  2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is
  available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


  Carolyn Johnson



  ----- Original Message -----
    From: Rocky Smolin
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


    Dear List:
     
    I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
    however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
    housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
    code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
     
    Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
     
    I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
    customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
    support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
    them the system.
     
    MTIA
     
    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software
    858-259-4334
    www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
    www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 11:21:01 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:21:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <6126DBCEE4A74D8DB9A87053C941E480@Dell>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell><A83D0BB77AB9434B882141684418653D@HAL9007>
	<6126DBCEE4A74D8DB9A87053C941E480@Dell>
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So far just maximizing.  Forms in question open down and to the right.  When
I drag them up and to the left so I can see the control box, and click the
maximize button, it maximizes just fine with all the controls correctly
sized for the monitor.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

It's difficult for me to say.  I have about 100 users for different
databases, all on different computers, and was getting some complaints about
screens not fitting the monitors and controls moving to the wrong place.
But it's hard to know exactly what was going on in the different situations
-- the users are generally not reliable reporters.   I had been using ADH
since 1999 or so and was reluctant to switch as well.

I'm getting fewer complaints with AD Tejpal's code.  I just did a mass find
and replace with some occasional editing -- it went pretty smoothly.  

But you may be having a different issue if it's just a maximizing problem.


Carolyn Johnson


----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Do you think the maximize problem is an artifact of the resizing code?

  The ADH code has caused me some problems over the years, but has been
pretty
  reliable.  I've got a lot of forms to change over so I'm not anxious to
  switch but if I have to...

  Rocky


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

  Rocky,

  I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing
correctly
  in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

  I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

   Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access
  2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is
  available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


  Carolyn Johnson



  ----- Original Message -----
    From: Rocky Smolin
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


    Dear List:
     
    I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
    however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort
of
    housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form
resizing
    code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
     
    Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
     
    I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
    customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
    support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
    them the system.
     
    MTIA
     
    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software
    858-259-4334
    www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
    www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
    Skype: rocky.smolin
     
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 11:27:10 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:27:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
In-Reply-To: <EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B927@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Mon Dec 12 11:33:41 2011
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:33:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
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Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 12:25:41 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:25:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
In-Reply-To: <EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C4@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
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That is kind of what I was thinking. Trying to do something that cannot be done. Thanks for confirming it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Mon Dec 12 12:53:14 2011
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:53:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
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References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com><EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov><0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B927@houex1.kindermorgan.com><EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C4@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B939@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
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Doh, wait.  Sorry, I didn't really bother to try to understand WHAT you're trying to do - just looked at your syntax.  If you're trying to insert a row containing the count of active flowing wells for each EngArea, something like this should do it:

INSERT INTO
  [tbl Monthly Well Count] 
  (EngArea, [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count])
  (
    SELECT
      a.EngArea,
      Count(a.PID)
    FROM
      [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] as a
    WHERE
      a.Status in ("FL","FM","FH")
    GROUP BY
      a.EngArea
  )

Where I've specified [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count] above, substitute the name of the column in the destination table where you want to place the count.

Again, not sure if Access requires the subQ to be in parens.  If this chokes try removing them.

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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

That is kind of what I was thinking. Trying to do something that cannot be done. Thanks for confirming it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 13:40:44 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:40:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
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I used your suggestion but was getting some duplicates. Here is the final solution I ended up with. Thanks for the help

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] ( [Eng Area], [Well Count] )
SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Doh, wait.  Sorry, I didn't really bother to try to understand WHAT you're trying to do - just looked at your syntax.  If you're trying to insert a row containing the count of active flowing wells for each EngArea, something like this should do it:

INSERT INTO
  [tbl Monthly Well Count] 
  (EngArea, [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count])
  (
    SELECT
      a.EngArea,
      Count(a.PID)
    FROM
      [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] as a
    WHERE
      a.Status in ("FL","FM","FH")
    GROUP BY
      a.EngArea
  )

Where I've specified [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count] above, substitute the name of the column in the destination table where you want to place the count.

Again, not sure if Access requires the subQ to be in parens.  If this chokes try removing them.

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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

That is kind of what I was thinking. Trying to do something that cannot be done. Thanks for confirming it.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Mon Dec 12 14:25:59 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:25:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCDE Questions
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Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C9A2@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

I have an Access 2007 application that I have been deploying as an ACCDR
file to a small number of users.

Recently, I have been thinking about deploying it as an ACCDE file.  I
have some basic questions.

Is there a way to generate an ACCDE file via a batch script with Command
Line Switches?  I have done some digging but have not been able to find
a way to do this.

If I create an ACCDE file, it appears that I can rename it to ACCDR to
accomplish further "lock down".  Is this Okay to do?

Are there any "Gotchas" that a person should be aware of when using
ACCDE files?   The application in question does not allow users to
change any form, report, VBA code, etc.  However, there is VBA code that
does change query defs behind the scenes.  Is this going to be a problem
with an ACCDE file?

Thanks,
Brad



From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 14:51:10 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:51:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yVHVPQqoyTXP1Qin9xmYLfGy4K_eOWPJ0pe+0rvMCj84g@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation. Especially
> a number like 754! Number theorists, have at it!
>

I can account for 255 of the 'missing' controls: Access queries have a 255
field limit. Correspondingly, on an Access form, there are 255 AccessField
objects reserved for holding query row values.

AccessField objects allow you to refer to the underlying field's value
without binding it to a control

Subtract 255 from 1024 and you get 769. So that is 754 user controls, plus
15 'system reserved'. These could be things like navigation buttons, record
selectors, datasheet support, PrtDevMode and PrtMip.

Mark Simms:
> Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME
> WHY
> WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED
>

I can't give you specifics, but I can tell you that a project like Access
has a tremendous amount of inertia. Unless you build in flexibility from
the very beginning, changing fundamental constants when a project is mature
becomes very difficult.

The cost of fixing all the things that would break when changing limits
like this would likely exceed the cost of building a new system from
scratch.

Thus, the emphasis on 'window dressing'. Its all flash and noise dedicated
to selling the same old thing, which buys time for newer projects like
LightSwitch to gain traction.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 15:10:29 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:10:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Mark Simms
> Is there some VBA to do this ?
>
> > all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.
>

Yes, I developed just such a product. It copies all controls and form
properties over, and all properties for each control, rebuilding the form
from scratch. It worked perfectly.

Doing a half-assed version in VBA is not so hard. Doing it right is really,
really involved. You are really better off doing it by hand.

The kicker is I did this when I worked for another company, and they own
the rights to the code, so I can't distribute it. Maybe one day I will make
the case for them to BSD-license it.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 15:26:50 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:26:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>

To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
control names.

When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.

The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
control could already exist, and then you're stuck.

That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.

It was to avoid name collisions.

So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution for
what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.

-Ken


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 15:31:44 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:31:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8jG+eNbCYb_Be6P1WiKJjVJ5BXsO-Pw+8j+FvovtE+zQ@mail.gmail.com>

Amen, Ken.  I used to have code to build forms using a code library and
some templates.  It was a complicated operation and took me forever to make
it work, and I discovered that doing it by hand was easier.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Kenneth Ismert <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Mark Simms
> > Is there some VBA to do this ?
> >
> > > all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.
> >
>
> Yes, I developed just such a product. It copies all controls and form
> properties over, and all properties for each control, rebuilding the form
> from scratch. It worked perfectly.
>
> Doing a half-assed version in VBA is not so hard. Doing it right is really,
> really involved. You are really better off doing it by hand.
>
> The kicker is I did this when I worked for another company, and they own
> the rights to the code, so I can't distribute it. Maybe one day I will make
> the case for them to BSD-license it.
>
> -Ken
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>
>


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec 12 17:19:09 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:19:09 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
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Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know, but you are not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010, however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to support two version and find out which version they're on before sending them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec 12 17:21:29 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:21:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Ken,

That is a good and clear explanation.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)

>
> William Benson:
> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>

To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default control names.

When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.

The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter, especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a control could already exist, and then you're stuck.

That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.

It was to avoid name collisions.

So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.

-Ken
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Dec 12 17:41:56 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:41:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008501ccb927$a31e3230$e95a9690$@net>

Wow - thanks for the "heads-up" Ken. Very impressive.

> Doing a half-assed version in VBA is not so hard. Doing it right is
> really, really involved. You are really better off doing it by hand.
>




From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Dec 12 17:44:33 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:44:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8jG+eNbCYb_Be6P1WiKJjVJ5BXsO-Pw+8j+FvovtE+zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8jG+eNbCYb_Be6P1WiKJjVJ5BXsO-Pw+8j+FvovtE+zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008601ccb928$009f6be0$01de43a0$@net>

But let me ask...for complex forms with a lot of controls in specific
positions and "tight registration"...
Isn't the manual rebuild a monumental task in some cases ?

> Amen, Ken.  I used to have code to build forms using a code library and
> some templates.  It was a complicated operation and took me forever to
> make it work, and I discovered that doing it by hand was easier.
>
> Charlotte Foust




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 18:36:52 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:36:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
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	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Thanks Ken,
>
> That is a good and clear explanation.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> >
> > William Benson:
> > I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
> >
>
> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
> control names.
>
> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>
> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>
> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>
> It was to avoid name collisions.
>
> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>
> -Ken
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 19:01:03 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:01:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <008601ccb928$009f6be0$01de43a0$@net>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8jG+eNbCYb_Be6P1WiKJjVJ5BXsO-Pw+8j+FvovtE+zQ@mail.gmail.com>
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You might change your mind if you start writing code to copy the controls
over!  The code I had took me forever to write and tweak and I did it only
because I was building UIs for survey input that included questions and
answers and used multiple subforms and navigation buttons based on a
limited set of control types to capture specific types of data.  There was
never a time when it was totally automated.  I only built the code because
the company's business was corporate direct marketing and I was building
survey UIs on a daily basis.  It wouldn't have been worth it otherwise.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> But let me ask...for complex forms with a lot of controls in specific
> positions and "tight registration"...
> Isn't the manual rebuild a monumental task in some cases ?
>
> > Amen, Ken.  I used to have code to build forms using a code library and
> > some templates.  It was a complicated operation and took me forever to
> > make it work, and I discovered that doing it by hand was easier.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 19:24:49 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:24:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <B86467722A74459FA07B65E27F1774F7@HAL9007>

It's a comfort. :) 

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the
role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were
only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to
turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was definitely
an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know, but you are
not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 08:31:59 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:31:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>


 The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:

A2000 - 800
A2002 - 894
A2007 - 1040
A2010 - 1040

  Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.  

  These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
objects, but what that process is is un-clear.

Jim.

Public Sub CheckControlCreation()

  Dim frm As Form
  Dim ctlText As Control
  Dim ctlLabel As Control
  Dim intK As Integer

  ' Create form based on Customers form.
  Set frm = CreateForm()

  For intK = 1 To 2000

    ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
    Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)

    ' Create child label control for text box.
    Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "", 100,
100)
    
    Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
  
  Next intK

End Sub 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Thanks Ken,
>
> That is a good and clear explanation.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> >
> > William Benson:
> > I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
> >
>
> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
> control names.
>
> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>
> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>
> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>
> It was to avoid name collisions.
>
> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>
> -Ken
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Dec 13 08:33:46 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:33:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <B86467722A74459FA07B65E27F1774F7@HAL9007>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<B86467722A74459FA07B65E27F1774F7@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C13023DCE8D@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Any possibility there is an unhandled runtime error which stops Access
from doing what it should?

In order to trouble-chute this you could remove most of the
functionality from those forms and see whether you get better
reaction...

Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

It's a comfort. :) 

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl
Collins
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left
the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they
were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is
likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing
was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I
know, but you are not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort
of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form
resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 09:15:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:15:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
Message-ID: <4EE76C10.4050400@colbyconsulting.com>

Wow!

Obviously you need answers badly or you don't have enough paying work.  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 9:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>
>    Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
> some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
> which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.
>
>    These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
> objects, but what that process is is un-clear.
>
> Jim.
>
> Public Sub CheckControlCreation()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
> intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "", 100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
> On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins"<darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ken,
>>
>> That is a good and clear explanation.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>> A2010....)
>>
>>>
>>> William Benson:
>>> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>>>
>>
>> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
>> control names.
>>
>> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
>> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
>> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>>
>> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
>> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
>> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
>> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
>> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>>
>> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
>> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>>
>> It was to avoid name collisions.
>>
>> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
>> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
>> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>>
>> -Ken
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>>
>>
>>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 09:32:39 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:32:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <4EE76C10.4050400@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
	<4EE76C10.4050400@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <5B9F45562C414FF89415B34BFB2F845A@XPS>


 Have always been curious about the limit; 754 is just such an odd number.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Wow!

Obviously you need answers badly or you don't have enough paying work.  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 9:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>
>    Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
> some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
> which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.
>
>    These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
> objects, but what that process is is un-clear.
>
> Jim.
>
> Public Sub CheckControlCreation()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
> intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "",
100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
> On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins"<darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ken,
>>
>> That is a good and clear explanation.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>> A2010....)
>>
>>>
>>> William Benson:
>>> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>>>
>>
>> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
>> control names.
>>
>> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
>> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
>> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>>
>> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
>> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
>> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
>> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
>> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>>
>> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
>> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>>
>> It was to avoid name collisions.
>>
>> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
>> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
>> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>>
>> -Ken
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
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>>
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 09:39:35 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:39:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <5B9F45562C414FF89415B34BFB2F845A@XPS>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
	<4EE76C10.4050400@colbyconsulting.com>
	<5B9F45562C414FF89415B34BFB2F845A@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jQpTY5p_rsQPJehHstjDx3KGB_RDVMcDJ3N9LnPducUQ@mail.gmail.com>

First, it's an even number, not odd. And second, a WAG... 768 - 14 overhead
bytes? LOL.
A.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>wrote:

>
>  Have always been curious about the limit; 754 is just such an odd number.
>
> Jim.
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 09:58:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:58:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
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 >754 is just such an odd number.

That it is!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 10:32 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   Have always been curious about the limit; 754 is just such an odd number.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:15 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Wow!
>
> Obviously you need answers badly or you don't have enough paying work.  ;)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/13/2011 9:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>>
>>    The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
>> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
>> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>>
>> A2000 - 800
>> A2002 - 894
>> A2007 - 1040
>> A2010 - 1040
>>
>>     Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
>> some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
>> which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.
>>
>>     These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
>> objects, but what that process is is un-clear.
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> Public Sub CheckControlCreation()
>>
>>     Dim frm As Form
>>     Dim ctlText As Control
>>     Dim ctlLabel As Control
>>     Dim intK As Integer
>>
>>     ' Create form based on Customers form.
>>     Set frm = CreateForm()
>>
>>     For intK = 1 To 2000
>>
>>       ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>>       Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
>> intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)
>>
>>       ' Create child label control for text box.
>>       Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "",
> 100,
>> 100)
>>
>>       Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>>
>>     Next intK
>>
>> End Sub
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
>> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>> A2010....)
>>
>> Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
>> On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins"<darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Ken,
>>>
>>> That is a good and clear explanation.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Darryl.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>>> A2010....)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> William Benson:
>>>> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>>>>
>>>
>>> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
>>> control names.
>>>
>>> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
>>> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
>>> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>>>
>>> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
>>> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
>>> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
>>> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
>>> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>>>
>>> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
>>> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>>>
>>> It was to avoid name collisions.
>>>
>>> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
>>> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
>>> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>>>
>>> -Ken
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Dec 13 10:06:00 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:06:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
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References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><B86467722A74459FA07B65E27F1774F7@HAL9007>
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Gotta try that.  Awkward because I need to make the mde in 2003 then copy to
machine #2 to test.  But I'll give it a whirl.

"an unhandled runtime error which stops Access from doing what it should?"
Is there such a thing?


R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Any possibility there is an unhandled runtime error which stops Access from
doing what it should?

In order to trouble-chute this you could remove most of the functionality
from those forms and see whether you get better reaction...

Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

It's a comfort. :) 

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the
role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were
only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to
turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was definitely
an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know, but you are
not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Dec 13 11:11:24 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:11:24 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Excel_Web_App_hosted_on_SkyDrive=2E=2E?=
	=?utf-8?q?=2E?=
Message-ID: <E1RaVsy-0005J8-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f204.mail.ru>

Hi All,

FYI: http://www.excelmashup.com/

Thank you.

-- Shamil?

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 11:21:55 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:21:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FYI: Excel Web App hosted on SkyDrive...
In-Reply-To: <E1RaVsy-0005J8-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f204.mail.ru>
References: <E1RaVsy-0005J8-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f204.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4EE789B3.2030104@colbyconsulting.com>

I spend all of my day trying to prevent my data from getting mashed up and then Microsoft promotes this!

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 12:11 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> FYI: http://www.excelmashup.com/
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 15:22:51 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:22:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
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	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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As far as unhandled error what I was wondering is that maybe if perhaps an
mde keeps users out of the code, then unlike an accdb or an mdb possibly
the code in an event just stops executing with no warning?  I've never
built or tested an mde!
On Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Rocky,
>
> Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the
> role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were
> only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to
> turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was
> definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know,
> but you are not alone with this issue.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
> however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
> housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
> code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.
>
> Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?
>
> I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
> customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
> support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
> them the system.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 15:58:39 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:58:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How do I find ~TMPxyz connections?
Message-ID: <4EE7CA8F.5040001@colbyconsulting.com>

I am iterating my connections in tabledefs and I have three connections with ~TMP as the leading 
part of the name.  They point to a SQL server Express database that physically does not exist any 
more.  I have discovered that these links to old stuff cause massive slowing opening real linked 
tables so I need to find and delete these links, but I am at a loss to discover how.

~TMPCLP184931: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP280711: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP288731: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP373521: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP457481: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?

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Colby Consulting

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when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 16:12:07 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:12:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How do I find ~TMPxyz connections?
In-Reply-To: <4EE7CA8F.5040001@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE7CA8F.5040001@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EE7CDB7.8000807@colbyconsulting.com>

Never mind.  that was from tables already deleted.  When I exited the db and came back in these were 
gone.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 4:58 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> I am iterating my connections in tabledefs and I have three connections with ~TMP as the leading
> part of the name. They point to a SQL server Express database that physically does not exist any
> more. I have discovered that these links to old stuff cause massive slowing opening real linked
> tables so I need to find and delete these links, but I am at a loss to discover how.
>
> ~TMPCLP184931: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP280711: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP288731: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP373521: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP457481: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
>



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 16:13:18 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:13:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
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Perhaps, but my experience would suggest it is more of a bug than anything else.  Or perhaps a deliberate attempt to move folks off MDE to accde instead.

The premise is simple.  If a form is set to docmd.maximise then that is what it should do upon open (or event).  It works as expected in A2003 as MDB or MDE.  But in A2007 the docmd.maximise is seemingly ignored.  The form usually opens as a float - I think it also did it for MDB format stuff as well - can't recall.

>From memory if you click on the form or moved it - it would immediately maximise and snap to full size.

As I said, it has been a while, but I do recall it coming up consistently in the testing we were doing.  Annoying.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2011 8:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

As far as unhandled error what I was wondering is that maybe if perhaps an mde keeps users out of the code, then unlike an accdb or an mdb possibly the code in an event just stops executing with no warning?  I've never built or tested an mde!
On Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Rocky,
>
> Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left 
> the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required 
> (they were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google 
> is likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form 
> resizing was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you 
> right now I know, but you are not alone with this issue.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010, 
> however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort 
> of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form 
> resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.
>
> Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?
>
> I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of 
> my customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have 
> to support two version and find out which version they're on before 
> sending them the system.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com < 
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 16:58:46 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:58:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUA8bhkxMJKLh5U1vfyzVsRG5HL9LS+tiLtsZV+7GCrXQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Jim Dettman:
>  The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>

Very intriguing, Jim. I ran your code on Access 2000, and got 801 controls,
confirming your result.

A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/208192

But I have personally seen forms with this 754 control limit, however the
database was imported from Access 97.

So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?

It is obvious that the control limit was raised in later versions of
Access, but the reasons for these particular limits remain mysterious.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 17:26:20 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:26:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Mark Simms:
> But let me ask...for complex forms with a lot of controls in specific
> positions and "tight registration"...
> Isn't the manual rebuild a monumental task in some cases ?
>
> Charlotte Foust:
> You might change your mind if you start writing code to copy the controls
> over!  ... I only built the code because ... I was building survey UIs on
> a
> daily basis.  It wouldn't have been worth it otherwise.
>

I agree with Charlotte. You have to be strongly motivated to tackle this
project.

In my case, the company's flagship A2K product had a crippling case of
bloat that none of the normal methods (including EatBloat) could cure.

It took 3 months full-time to develop the 'complete rebuild' fix, which did
finally work (to everyone's great relief)!

Mark: if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:

1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
and 'text234'.

2. In the Immediate window, count the number of controls:
    ? Forms("frmFoo").Controls.Count

2. Save the form as text:
    Application.SaveAsText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
edit it to the number of controls +1:
        ItemSuffix =128

4. Backup your Access database. Delete the problem form. Compact & Repair.

5. Import the form using:
    Application.LoadFromText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

I have observed this to work.

-Ken


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Dec 13 19:24:40 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:24:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4_R4NnrR9v3pmmGUVe1Jv+_fpY2Ug+dJSuB9kyXVYLzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4_R4NnrR9v3pmmGUVe1Jv+_fpY2Ug+dJSuB9kyXVYLzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A06FFD0386704B30B79811B6CA768F1F@HAL9007>

No - you get the same error message - just no Debug option.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 1:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

As far as unhandled error what I was wondering is that maybe if perhaps an
mde keeps users out of the code, then unlike an accdb or an mdb possibly the
code in an event just stops executing with no warning?  I've never built or
tested an mde!
On Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Rocky,
>
> Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left 
> the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required 
> (they were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google 
> is likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form 
> resizing was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you 
> right now I know, but you are not alone with this issue.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010, 
> however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort 
> of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form 
> resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.
>
> Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?
>
> I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of 
> my customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have 
> to support two version and find out which version they're on before 
> sending them the system.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com < 
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 19:30:42 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:30:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUA8bhkxMJKLh5U1vfyzVsRG5HL9LS+tiLtsZV+7GCrXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUA8bhkxMJKLh5U1vfyzVsRG5HL9LS+tiLtsZV+7GCrXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DC4054550E234B23AF33C9C09A16BC2B@XPS>

Ken,

<<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>

  Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
(yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
  
<<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?>>

  For A97 I got 752.

  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 05:59 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

>
> Jim Dettman:
>  The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>

Very intriguing, Jim. I ran your code on Access 2000, and got 801 controls,
confirming your result.

A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/208192

But I have personally seen forms with this 754 control limit, however the
database was imported from Access 97.

So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?

It is obvious that the control limit was raised in later versions of
Access, but the reasons for these particular limits remain mysterious.

-Ken
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 20:52:10 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:52:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>


Hi guys and girls.

One of my colleagues is using a UDF embedded into an Access Query.  The query runs find in access by when he is calling the query from Excel VBA (via qd.openrecordset).  The code fails with a 'undefined function' error.

I read on google the following which was a response to a similar issue:

"Access uses Jet, and the combination of Access and Jet understands VBA functions. DAO is a generic data access layer that doesn't understand VBA functions.
When you use DAO, you're not automating Access, merely using that bridge to get to the data.
Even though some versions of Access use DAO internally to communicate with Jet, the ability to understand VBA is programmed into Access, not DAO."

So, is that correct.  I would have thought the DOA would have only sent the command to open the query and Access would still do all of the processing?

Any thoughts on this.

I personally wouldn't do it this way. I would use the Function from Excel to get all of the parameters first and then pass them to the query as needed.  In this case the function is built into the query itself in Access.

Cheers
Darryl.



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Dec 13 21:26:37 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:26:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EE8176D.24437.13D851CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 14 Dec 2011 at 2:52, Darryl Collins wrote:

> 
> So, is that correct.  I would have thought the DOA would have only
> sent the command to open the query and Access would still do all of
> the processing? 
> 

Yes, it is correct.  Access does not do the processing, the DAO/JET engine does it.   
DAO/JET doesn't know anything at all about VBA., let alone what VBA functions happen to 
be in the same Access container are the table.






From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 21:30:17 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 03:30:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel
In-Reply-To: <4EE8176D.24437.13D851CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4EE8176D.24437.13D851CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5601256@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Stuart.  That clears that up. I will tell him to go to Plan B instead.

Cheers
darryl

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Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2011 2:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel

On 14 Dec 2011 at 2:52, Darryl Collins wrote:

> 
> So, is that correct.  I would have thought the DOA would have only 
> sent the command to open the query and Access would still do all of 
> the processing?
> 

Yes, it is correct.  Access does not do the processing, the DAO/JET engine does it.   
DAO/JET doesn't know anything at all about VBA., let alone what VBA functions happen to be in the same Access container are the table.




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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 21:44:17 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:44:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003c01ccba12$a84eb590$f8ec20b0$@net>

Thanks a ton Ken ! Simply excellent technical investigative work. Well done.

> 5. Import the form using:
>     Application.LoadFromText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\" &
> "Form_frmFoo.txt"
>
> I have observed this to work.
>
> -Ken




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 22:17:49 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:17:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>

If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a new
form and renaming the form suffice? 

>>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 22:35:10 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:35:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B56012C7@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

That is what I normally do - which is probably why it is nearly always much more work to code it than do it all manually.  The copy / paste way is usually fast, even with many hundreds of controls it doesn't take more than a few minutes I find.  The only other step is to ensure you copy the form code over as well to the new form.

I usually rename the old form "frmMyForm_OLD" first, create a new form and save it "frmMyForm", copy the controls, copy the code, save and test.  If the new form works as expected I then delete the old form entirely (of course I have an original one on an older backup version).

Cheers
Darryl.

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Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2011 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a new form and renaming the form suffice? 

>>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 14 02:11:59 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:11:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
Message-ID: <see86867.084@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

For Access 2.0 it runs to:

Field652       Text653

then exits with an "out of memory" error.
Code must be modified to:

<code>
Sub CheckControlCreation ()

  Dim frm As Form
  Dim ctlText As Control
  Dim ctlLabel As Control
  Dim intK As Integer

  ' Create form based on Customers form.
  Set frm = CreateForm()

  For intK = 1 To 2000

    ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
    Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)

    ' Create child label control for text box.
    Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100, 100)
    
    Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
  
  Next intK

End Sub
</code>

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30 >>>
Ken,

<<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>

  Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
(yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
  
<<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?>>

  For A97 I got 752.

  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.

Jim. 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 06:05:11 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:05:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
Message-ID: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>

I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has changed a message is 
generated.  The nice part is that Access places the change in the paste buffer.

How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form then the prompt the user to 
insert the paste buffer?

I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.

-- 
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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 07:24:32 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:24:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <see86867.084@cactus.dk>
References: <see86867.084@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <B7227A7C9F31425FB9AFF9DC01EAF1BA@XPS>


  BTW, one of the things I did try was creating text only controls rather
then a text/label combination.  Got the same results, but other control
types might yield different numbers. If they do, then the limit would seem
more related to object management rather then some inherent limitation with
form objects themselves (in terms of storage).

  I'll play with that today if I have time.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 03:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Hi Jim

For Access 2.0 it runs to:

Field652       Text653

then exits with an "out of memory" error.
Code must be modified to:

<code>
Sub CheckControlCreation ()

  Dim frm As Form
  Dim ctlText As Control
  Dim ctlLabel As Control
  Dim intK As Integer

  ' Create form based on Customers form.
  Set frm = CreateForm()

  For intK = 1 To 2000

    ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
    Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100 +
intK, 200, 200)

    ' Create child label control for text box.
    Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100,
100)
    
    Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
  
  Next intK

End Sub
</code>

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30 >>>
Ken,

<<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>

  Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
(yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
  
<<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?>>

  For A97 I got 752.

  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.

Jim. 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 09:16:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:16:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <B7227A7C9F31425FB9AFF9DC01EAF1BA@XPS>
References: <see86867.084@cactus.dk> <B7227A7C9F31425FB9AFF9DC01EAF1BA@XPS>
Message-ID: <4EE8BDC2.5010108@colbyconsulting.com>

I would bet you will find that each type of control can have that limit of controls IOW 750 labels 
(not connected to a text box) 750 text boxes, 750 radio buttons, 750 combos etc.  Each control has a 
different name prefix and thus there will be no collision between names for text boxes and combo 
boxes and radio buttons.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 8:24 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>    BTW, one of the things I did try was creating text only controls rather
> then a text/label combination.  Got the same results, but other control
> types might yield different numbers. If they do, then the limit would seem
> more related to object management rather then some inherent limitation with
> form objects themselves (in terms of storage).
>
>    I'll play with that today if I have time.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 03:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Hi Jim
>
> For Access 2.0 it runs to:
>
> Field652       Text653
>
> then exits with an "out of memory" error.
> Code must be modified to:
>
> <code>
> Sub CheckControlCreation ()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100 +
> intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
> </code>
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30>>>
> Ken,
>
> <<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
> even
> Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>
>
>    Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
> timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
> (yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
> specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
> around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
>
> <<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
> Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
> this on?>>
>
>    For A97 I got 752.
>
>    Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.
>
> Jim.
>
>



From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 09:49:28 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:49:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>

Apparently the important last control number is "inherited" from the old
form.....
that's why you must go to text...
And then edit the number.

> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to
> a new
> form and renaming the form suffice?
>
> >>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<




From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 10:49:20 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:49:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
	<000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_Y-sxj+VV4RpOfmYCqpk=37H7=+Ryttw0EDpKjyJCahA@mail.gmail.com>

You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
place.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Apparently the important last control number is "inherited" from the old
> form.....
> that's why you must go to text...
> And then edit the number.
>
> > If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to
> > a new
> > form and renaming the form suffice?
> >
> > >>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 11:10:59 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:10:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
In-Reply-To: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hsdptdLqSjvAdV28tbsYHSSiMneAy8D3=E_UYAiEkGCg@mail.gmail.com>

Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go through
sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds of
users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I have
no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
new models. It's a learning experience.

A.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
> change in the paste buffer.
>
> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>
> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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>



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 12:13:42 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:13:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hsdptdLqSjvAdV28tbsYHSSiMneAy8D3=E_UYAiEkGCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1hsdptdLqSjvAdV28tbsYHSSiMneAy8D3=E_UYAiEkGCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE8E756.9000603@colbyconsulting.com>

I am not sure what difference a view would make though.  The data behind the scenes has still changed.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 12:10 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
> experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
> Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
> touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
> mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go through
> sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
> they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
> view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
> drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds of
> users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I have
> no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
> LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
> new models. It's a learning experience.
>
> A.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
>> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
>> change in the paste buffer.
>>
>> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
>> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>>
>> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>
>
>



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 12:18:07 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:18:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
In-Reply-To: <4EE8E756.9000603@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1hsdptdLqSjvAdV28tbsYHSSiMneAy8D3=E_UYAiEkGCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EE8E756.9000603@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-b6HfrhyVwM9z_Lxh+JCK-aG6XMJNUzeqgbVz6Wfp72A@mail.gmail.com>

It's a security feature.  Regular users simply don't have the role
permission to change the data in the tables, they have to do it through a
view.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:13 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I am not sure what difference a view would make though.  The data behind
> the scenes has still changed.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/14/2011 12:10 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
>> experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
>> Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
>> touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
>> mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go
>> through
>> sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
>> they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
>> view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
>> drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds
>> of
>> users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I
>> have
>> no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
>> LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
>> new models. It's a learning experience.
>>
>> A.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
>>> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
>>> change in the paste buffer.
>>>
>>> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
>>> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>>>
>>> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>
>>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>
>>> >
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.
>>>
>>> ****com<http://www.**databaseadvisors.com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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>
>
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 12:30:59 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:30:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_Y-sxj+VV4RpOfmYCqpk=37H7=+Ryttw0EDpKjyJCahA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
	<000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>
	<CAH+Met_Y-sxj+VV4RpOfmYCqpk=37H7=+Ryttw0EDpKjyJCahA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003c01ccba8e$877313d0$96593b70$@net>

You mean RENAME, right ? Every control has a name property by default.
i.e. there are no unnamed controls.

> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the
> first place.
>
> Charlotte Foust





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 12:38:16 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:38:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-b6HfrhyVwM9z_Lxh+JCK-aG6XMJNUzeqgbVz6Wfp72A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1hsdptdLqSjvAdV28tbsYHSSiMneAy8D3=E_UYAiEkGCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EE8E756.9000603@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-b6HfrhyVwM9z_Lxh+JCK-aG6XMJNUzeqgbVz6Wfp72A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE8ED18.1050604@colbyconsulting.com>

Yes I understand that but I have set up users and such and their permissions.  The message I am 
getting is that another user has changed the data.  I have to do something to cause the form to 
discover that the data has been written and refresh the data in the current form so that changes to 
the data in the current form are now allowed.

AFAIK that has nothing to do with views per se.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 1:18 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> It's a security feature.  Regular users simply don't have the role
> permission to change the data in the tables, they have to do it through a
> view.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:13 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I am not sure what difference a view would make though.  The data behind
>> the scenes has still changed.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/14/2011 12:10 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
>>> experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
>>> Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
>>> touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
>>> mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go
>>> through
>>> sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
>>> they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
>>> view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
>>> drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds
>>> of
>>> users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I
>>> have
>>> no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
>>> LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
>>> new models. It's a learning experience.
>>>
>>> A.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
>>>> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
>>>> change in the paste buffer.
>>>>
>>>> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
>>>> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>>>>
>>>> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>>>>
>>>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.
>>>>
>>>> ****com<http://www.**databaseadvisors.com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 13:15:02 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:15:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <4EE8BDC2.5010108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <see86867.084@cactus.dk> <B7227A7C9F31425FB9AFF9DC01EAF1BA@XPS>
	<4EE8BDC2.5010108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A1651EBA53024EC793C018D05F7B21F1@XPS>


  No, that's not the case.  When I ran the tests, it didn't matter if I did
text and label controls or just text controls as I would get the same number
of total controls either way.

  I had been testing to see if the type of control affected the out come
(because of the difference in the number of PEM's) in the total number of
controls, but it didn't (at least not for text vs label vs all text, which
should have been different enough to show up).

  And it doesn't seem like the naming is related to the limit.  The tests
for A2000 and up all yielded control names >754 and A2007 and up went from
three to four positions for the numeric portion of the naming.  That means
you would be able to get 9,999 controls for each control type without a
conflict in names.  However the numeric suffix counter applies to all
controls, so you should be able to get to 9,999 without a problem, but the
limit is far short of that.

  I don't think it's related to the storage method either; all the numbers
are odd (not 256, 512, 1024, etc).  You just can't come up with any number
of bits that represent the numbers shown.  Only possibility is the one Ken
raised where internal objects are using some of the mapping (ie. 1024 - x
number of internal objects = objects available to you). 

  But it seems more related to internal memory management then it does to
anything else we've seen so far as the value seems to float from version to
version.  It's like the table ID limit which also floats a bit; one minute
you can be fine with a query or form and the next you get an "out of memory"
message.

  What I'd really like to see happen is those test numbers change a bit on
the same machine or between machines.  That would really imply that it's
related to memory management.  A hard coded limit or a limit based on the
storage method would always be consistent no matter when or where checked.

Jim.   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

I would bet you will find that each type of control can have that limit of
controls IOW 750 labels 
(not connected to a text box) 750 text boxes, 750 radio buttons, 750 combos
etc.  Each control has a 
different name prefix and thus there will be no collision between names for
text boxes and combo 
boxes and radio buttons.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 8:24 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>    BTW, one of the things I did try was creating text only controls rather
> then a text/label combination.  Got the same results, but other control
> types might yield different numbers. If they do, then the limit would seem
> more related to object management rather then some inherent limitation
with
> form objects themselves (in terms of storage).
>
>    I'll play with that today if I have time.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 03:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Hi Jim
>
> For Access 2.0 it runs to:
>
> Field652       Text653
>
> then exits with an "out of memory" error.
> Code must be modified to:
>
> <code>
> Sub CheckControlCreation ()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100
+
> intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
> </code>
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30>>>
> Ken,
>
> <<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
> even
> Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>
>
>    Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the
A95/A97
> timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
> (yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
> specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
> around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
>
> <<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only
for
> Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
> this on?>>
>
>    For A97 I got 752.
>
>    Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.
>
> Jim.
>
>

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 13:14:02 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:14:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <003c01ccba8e$877313d0$96593b70$@net>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
	<000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>
	<CAH+Met_Y-sxj+VV4RpOfmYCqpk=37H7=+Ryttw0EDpKjyJCahA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003c01ccba8e$877313d0$96593b70$@net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8Kup9S9LvuWNDxisRSZdv3WOeFCnBgE48JqQc7+KbpUg@mail.gmail.com>

I meant specifically name the controls instead of accepting the defaults,
which are less than useless anyhow.  And that includes the attached labels
and page breaks and all the other items you put on there.  I always named
them at creation to make it easier to untangle later, so I never ran into
issues with default names.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> You mean RENAME, right ? Every control has a name property by default.
> i.e. there are no unnamed controls.
>
> > You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the
> > first place.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
>
>
>
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>
>
>


From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 14:23:35 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:23:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUoB0st0O1OF7cZGHgefEhOx2vwsS0hscwRmiBOgGtBcg@mail.gmail.com>

> Jim Dettman:
> <<Ken Ismert: So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are
> correct only for Access 97.>>
>
>  For A97 I got 752.
>
>  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.
>

I think the simplest explanation is A97 allowed 1024 controls. Subtract 255
'AccessField' controls (for the maximum fields in a query), and you get
769.

That leaves 753 'user' controls and 16 'reserved' controls, things like
RecordSelectors, DataSheet support, Record Navigation, the default Detail
section, etc.

But, on some service pack of Access 2000, the counter limit was raised to
16 bits, or even 32 bits.

Supporting 4 billion controls was just silly, so they just picked an
arbitrary limit of 800, and kept raising that over time.

 What I'd really like to see happen is those test numbers change a bit on
> the same machine or between machines.  That would really imply that it's
> related to memory management.  A hard coded limit or a limit based on the
> storage method would always be consistent no matter when or where checked.


Well, AccessD community, test away!

Is the limit truly fixed for each version, or does it change? The results
will be interesting.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 14:46:02 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:46:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a
> new
> form and renaming the form suffice?
>

Because you also have to manually duplicate all of the form properties,
which don't copy over automatically.

For example, if your form allows datasheets, all the column width settings
will be reset to their defaults.

Further, the copy-and-paste approach can mess up subtle things like display
order, so controls that show up on the original won't be visible on the
copy.

Thus, if all you need to do is reset the count, I recommend my method,
because the whole form gets copied, leaving no surprises.

Charlotte Foust:
> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
> place.
>

Giving controls meaningful names is best practice. But that doesn't reset
the counter.

Try modifying Jim's code to give each control a non-default name before the
next is created. The limit didn't change for me.

-Ken


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 15:28:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:28:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE914F2.4020404@colbyconsulting.com>

Good points Ken.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 3:46 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote:
>>
>> William Benson:
>> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a
>> new
>> form and renaming the form suffice?
>>
>
> Because you also have to manually duplicate all of the form properties,
> which don't copy over automatically.
>
> For example, if your form allows datasheets, all the column width settings
> will be reset to their defaults.
>
> Further, the copy-and-paste approach can mess up subtle things like display
> order, so controls that show up on the original won't be visible on the
> copy.
>
> Thus, if all you need to do is reset the count, I recommend my method,
> because the whole form gets copied, leaving no surprises.
>
> Charlotte Foust:
>> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
>> place.
>>
>
> Giving controls meaningful names is best practice. But that doesn't reset
> the counter.
>
> Try modifying Jim's code to give each control a non-default name before the
> next is created. The limit didn't change for me.
>
> -Ken



From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 15:55:22 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:55:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWq91xS1Oz2xJZJJCJzS1d7J=JSdrY1BZKJsgbEfubzKw@mail.gmail.com>

All,

I just tried another experiment:

1. In Access 2000 or later, call TestControlLifetimeLimit below (a
modification of Jim's code) to populate form controls to their limit

2. Delete some or all of the highest-numbered controls

3. Call TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)) to populate more controls.

What I found is that as long as you delete the highest-numbered controls,
the counter limit isn't enforced. I ran this until the counter got up to
17213!

Can others duplicate this?

So, my new theory is that, for some service pack of Office 2000, this got
sort-of fixed. (I recall running into this problem a decade ago in an early
release of 2000).

The maximum control limit is enforced, but the counter will keep going up,
as long as you delete some of the higher-order controls.

However, the 754-control limit will persist for forms & reports imported
from Access 97. This is why the 'rebuild from scratch' is required to
totally cure the problem in very old projects. There is simply no other way
to keep the form from inheriting the old A97 behavior.

Code:

Public Sub TestControlLifetimeLimit(Optional ByVal rObj As Object = Nothing)

    Dim rFrm As Access.Form
    Dim rText As Control
    Dim rLabel As Control
    Dim i As Integer

    On Error GoTo HandleErr

    If rObj Is Nothing Then
        Set rFrm = CreateForm()
        rFrm.HasModule = True
    ElseIf TypeOf rObj Is Access.Form Then
        Set rFrm = rObj
    ElseIf TypeOf rObj Is Access.Controls Then
        Set rFrm = rObj.Parent
    Else
        Exit Sub
    End If

    i = rFrm.Controls.Count
    Do
        Set rText = CreateControl(rFrm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , (i
Mod 100) * 100, (i \ 100) * 400, 200, 200)
        Set rLabel = CreateControl(rFrm.Name, acLabel, , rText.Name, "", (i
Mod 100) * 100 + 50, (i \ 100) * 400, 200, 200)
        i = i + 1
    Loop While i < 2000

ExitHere:
    Debug.Print "Control  Count: " & rFrm.Controls.Count
    Exit Sub

HandleErr:
    Debug.Print "Error: " & Err.Number & vbCrLf & Err.Description & vbCrLf
& Err.Source
    GoTo ExitHere
End Sub

-Ken


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec 14 16:36:08 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:36:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560147A@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Aaaah, those are good points.  In the past virtually all my forms are unbound and I rarely used datasheet view - although in my current role I do a lot more.  Mind you in this role performance trumps elegance so it doesn't matter if the form looks a bit scrappy as I, or the immediate team, are the only users.  And we know how to fix it if something goes *splat*.  Thanks for shedding some light onto this.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2011 7:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

>
> William Benson:
> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to 
> a new form and renaming the form suffice?
>

Because you also have to manually duplicate all of the form properties,
which don't copy over automatically.

For example, if your form allows datasheets, all the column width settings
will be reset to their defaults.

Further, the copy-and-paste approach can mess up subtle things like display
order, so controls that show up on the original won't be visible on the
copy.

Thus, if all you need to do is reset the count, I recommend my method,
because the whole form gets copied, leaving no surprises.

Charlotte Foust:
> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
> place.
>

Giving controls meaningful names is best practice. But that doesn't reset
the counter.

Try modifying Jim's code to give each control a non-default name before the
next is created. The limit didn't change for me.

-Ken
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From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 17:10:38 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:10:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 20:12:16 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:12:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601ccbace$f819ee20$e84dca60$@gmail.com>

And how do you recommend deleting *precisely* the first 400 controls?;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:11 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit
the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 06:47:16 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:47:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
Message-ID: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>

I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I don't know xyz, but I 
often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a circle somehow.

I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from Facebook...

You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to do something bad to my 
computer.

I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running scripts in firefox 
which just saved my bacon.

It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful and I still got suckered. 
  Only my safeguards saved me.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 07:09:27 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:09:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, I don't accept friends I don't know on FB.  There are scams out there
that are VERY sophisticated!

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I
> don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a
> circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
> do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
> and I still got suckered.  Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>
>


From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec 15 07:12:35 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:12:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001401ccbb2b$366c0b20$a3442160$@comcast.net>

Facebook?  What's Facebook?  I have work to do!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Yep, I don't accept friends I don't know on FB.  There are scams out there
that are VERY sophisticated!

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
> out in a circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
> page to do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
> careful and I still got suckered.  Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://database
> advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 07:59:23 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:59:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <22B9B17F85FA41CF9E3DA333A1EADC84@SusanHarkins>

I turned my facebook messaging off -- if anything comes to my inbox like 
that, I totally ignore it. No question, I know it's not legit.

Susan H.


>I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I 
>don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a 
>circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to 
> do something bad to my computer.



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 08:10:53 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:10:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001ccbb33$5ba3cf10$12eb6d30$@gmail.com>

Was it mentioned that the control count hits 1040 before erroring out in
Access 2010:

Microsoft Access can't create any more controls on this form or report.
Database13
Control  Count: 1040


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:11 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit
the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 08:14:39 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:14:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
References: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003101ccbb33$e2c18000$a8448000$@gmail.com>

Uh, yes it was, thanks Jim D. on Dec 13.

-----Original Message-----
From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Was it mentioned that the control count hits 1040 before erroring out in
Access 2010:

Microsoft Access can't create any more controls on this form or report.
Database13
Control  Count: 1040


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:11 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit
the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 08:18:06 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:18:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>

Whew!  Glad your safeguards protected you. I had a virus creep in a
year or so back. I know I messed up and did something I knew I
shouldn't have. Took me about 10 hours of messing around to get it
back the way it was. It became a quest to defeat the b at st@rds that did
it to me though.

GK

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook. ?I
> don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a
> circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link... ?It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
> do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running
> scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though. ?I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
> and I still got suckered. ?Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Dec 15 09:39:36 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:39:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <21D3D45A0B814AEAACDE39A52483D58D@XPS>


 Really scary I know...some of the stuff is getting pretty darn good.

 Almost got bit last year.  E-mail came in telling me I had a problem with
something, which by coincidence I had just done the previous day and it
looked legit.  Clicked without thinking and Trend saved my butt.  After the
blocked page message came up, it was only then that I realized I should not
be getting an e-mail like that. That was too close for comfort<g>

 And here I am the one telling everybody "Don't click on anything in an
e-mail" and absolutely know better then not to.

  Part of the problem is though, there are still people sending e-mails
(valid ones) with links in them (NY's Easy pass comes to mind).

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 07:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I
don't know xyz, but I 
often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a circle somehow.

I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
Facebook...

You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
do something bad to my 
computer.

I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running
scripts in firefox 
which just saved my bacon.

It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
and I still got suckered. 
  Only my safeguards saved me.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 10:02:21 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:02:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <22B9B17F85FA41CF9E3DA333A1EADC84@SusanHarkins>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<22B9B17F85FA41CF9E3DA333A1EADC84@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <4EEA1A0D.2020109@colbyconsulting.com>

 >> I turned my facebook messaging off

LOL, I discovered that Facebook had "opted me in" to a TON of crap that they were sending.  Of 
course I went in and disabled it but it is truly annoying that they would do that, and it raises the 
question - am I opted in to whatever they may decide I really should be receiving in the future? 
Where do these companies get off deciding that they can send me crap I didn't ask for?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/15/2011 8:59 AM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> I turned my facebook messaging off -- if anything comes to my inbox like that, I totally ignore it.
> No question, I know it's not legit.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook. I don't know xyz, but I
>> often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link... It *looked* just like those things from Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to do something bad to my
>> computer.
>



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Dec 15 10:05:08 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:05:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the past.

Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main" PC that I use for work purposes.

Use an iPad for "web surfing"
Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one
Use Microsoft Security Essentials (free) 

Brad
   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thu 12/15/2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
 
Whew!  Glad your safeguards protected you. I had a virus creep in a
year or so back. I know I messed up and did something I knew I
shouldn't have. Took me about 10 hours of messing around to get it
back the way it was. It became a quest to defeat the b at st@rds that did
it to me though.

GK

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook. ?I
> don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a
> circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link... ?It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
> do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running
> scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though. ?I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
> and I still got suckered. ?Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From kathryn at bassett.net  Thu Dec 15 13:35:47 2011
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:35:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>

I'm fortunate! I've never ended up with a virus and I've been online since
the beginning. Now my husband, on the other hand... I'm glad he's got his
own computer.
--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the
> past.
> 
> Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main"
> PC that I use for work purposes.
> 
> Use an iPad for "web surfing"
> Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one Use
> Microsoft Security Essentials (free)
> 
> Brad




From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Dec 15 14:32:54 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:32:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
Message-ID: <ACD2F5E2-6C6C-471A-9112-4F20EFDE6270@phulse.com>

I think the last time I had a virus, it was a boot sector virus from an infected floppy via the sneakernet.

Saying that, viruses are so advanced these days that, just because you think you are clean, you could still very well be infected by something on a root kit level. The truth is, as soon as you spot an infection, you cannot trust your pc anymore even if your antivirus claims to have cleaned your machine. The only thing to do is format your machine completely and reinstall.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2011-12-15, at 11:35 AM, "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net> wrote:

> I'm fortunate! I've never ended up with a virus and I've been online since
> the beginning. Now my husband, on the other hand... I'm glad he's got his
> own computer.
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net   
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:05 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>> 
>> I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the
>> past.
>> 
>> Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main"
>> PC that I use for work purposes.
>> 
>> Use an iPad for "web surfing"
>> Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one Use
>> Microsoft Security Essentials (free)
>> 
>> Brad
> 
> 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:05:30 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:05:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>

I had one for the first time earlier this year.  I still haven't figured
out where it came from,  but it was the joke virus, so it didn't do any
actual damage just slowed my machine down.  I switched to Vipre Internet
Security after that, since it was the only thing I found that actually
removed it.

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net>wrote:

> I'm fortunate! I've never ended up with a virus and I've been online since
> the beginning. Now my husband, on the other hand... I'm glad he's got his
> own computer.
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:05 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> >
> > I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the
> > past.
> >
> > Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main"
> > PC that I use for work purposes.
> >
> > Use an iPad for "web surfing"
> > Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one Use
> > Microsoft Security Essentials (free)
> >
> > Brad
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:33:22 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:33:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>

Further to Hans's message (this learned the hard way)... Next time you buy
or rebuild a machine, install all essential software (just the really core
stuff, your choices may vary), and nothing else. As soon as you've done
that, create a rescue disc (CD might be enough, more likely single-layer
DVD, possibly dual-layer DVD), so that everything essential can be
recovered in one swoop. In my case, this includes such utils as NoteTab,
winRAR and others, Office 2010 and SQL Server, which I deem essential;
that's a pretty big footprint, granted, but that's the essential house. It
all fits on a single DVD, and that makes it drop-dead simple to fix it all
in the ugly event of a disk-crash, etc.

I've been to Hell and back too many times to list. Finally I have a
procedure that works. It doesn't do everything, but it puts me back on
solid-footing with a couple of clicks. I can't afford TB-sized backups so I
make do with my humble means, but it works.

A.


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Dec 15 15:37:20 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:37:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole thing in just over an hour.

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Further to Hans's message (this learned the hard way)... Next time you buy or rebuild a machine, install all essential software (just the really core stuff, your choices may vary), and nothing else. As soon as you've done that, create a rescue disc (CD might be enough, more likely single-layer DVD, possibly dual-layer DVD), so that everything essential can be recovered in one swoop. In my case, this includes such utils as NoteTab, winRAR and others, Office 2010 and SQL Server, which I deem essential; that's a pretty big footprint, granted, but that's the essential house. It all fits on a single DVD, and that makes it drop-dead simple to fix it all in the ugly event of a disk-crash, etc.

I've been to Hell and back too many times to list. Finally I have a procedure that works. It doesn't do everything, but it puts me back on solid-footing with a couple of clicks. I can't afford TB-sized backups so I make do with my humble means, but it works.

A.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 15:37:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:37:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries, References and some subtleties to be considered
Message-ID: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>

I use libraries - MDAs - to hold common code, variables and constants.  Libraries are essentially 
places to put common code so that many different applications can do things the same way.  If a bug 
is found it can be fixed in the library, in just one place.

It is possible for a lib to reference another lib.  For example my C2DbFW3G understands and uses my 
Presentation Level Security System and so it references C2DbPLSS.  However C2DbPLSS is a standalone 
library, i.e. it can be used without my FW3G.  Should I have just merged the two into one big lib? 
That is a conversation for another day.

While on this subject, two more things.  There can be no circular references between libs, i.e. FW3G 
cannot reference PLSS *and* PLSS also reference FW3G.  Any lib can reference another lib but the 
reference can never "circle back around".  Additionally the order of reference comes into play if 
there are two functions, classes, variables etc with the same name.  We all understand the scope 
thing (local function, module, global) but the same issue exists in libraries in that if a name is 
not found in the local container the compiler starts looking at other referenced objects, starting 
from the top reference in the references dialog and working down.

This can cause oddities if we have a function (for example) with the same name found in the 
application and the library.  Code in the application will use the function inside of the 
application container, whereas code in the library will use the function in the library container. 
If you use libraries and you write a function and move it to the library, do not forget to delete 
the function from the application or you will have problems.

I have two main libraries, C2DbFW3G which is the 3rd generation of my framework, and C2DbPLSS which 
is my Presentation Level Security System.

Having an application reference a library causes some issues shall we say which do not exist if you 
do not use them, and I just thought I would walk through my findings and how I handle things in 
order to start a conversation on the subject.

Some tidbits in no particular order.

When the developer references a library they do so via a browse button and so the reference ends up 
specific to a location available from the developer's machine.  This implies that the location may 
or may not be available to another user opening the application.

When the application opens, it tries to find the file at the location specified in the existing 
reference.  If found it uses that copy of the library, no questions asked.

If the library cannot be found at that referenced location then the application silently begins to 
search a set of paths to find the library.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824255

If the library is found the search immediately ceases and the reference is "fixed up" to point to 
that location.  When the application closes it saves that new reference location.  So the 
application has been silently "re-referenced" to the new location.  When I say silently, I mean that 
there is no immediate in-your-face indication that any of this happened.

This silent re-reference can cause odd problems.  Let's take some real life scenarios that I 
encounter at my client.

I have a directory on my C: drive at the client called C:\Dev\DisNew\  This path, in particular the 
Dev\ part, is unique to my machine (standing for development).  I build a framework and an 
application in this location.  I reference the lib from the application, browsing to that location 
and voila, the reference points to a library in a location that does not physically exist anywhere 
else in the company.

I copy the two files up to X:\DisNew\Test which is the production (X:\DisNew) test directory.  the 
user has a batch file which builds a directory on their local C: drive, copies the library and 
application to that local directory and opens the application.  The application tries to find the 
lib at my dev directory and fails, so it tries to find it in the local directory and succeeds.  Life 
is good.

Now... I go into the X:\Disnew\Tester directory and open the application file.  Guess what happens? 
  The application opens and tests the reference and... finds it because it can see my dev path.  The 
file works.  Life is good, nothing changes.

A user goes into the X:\DisNew\Tester directory and opens the application file and ... the 
application cannot find my dev directory so it starts "the search".  It finds the library in the 
X:\DisNew\Test directory and re-references and the application works.  Now when the user closes the 
file... the file is referenced to the lib on the network.  Life is no longer good!

Now we decide that the application file tests good and copy it to production where it is copied, 
along with the lib down to the user's hard disk.  The user opens the copy on their hard disk and... 
the application is referenced to the lib on the network (test directory) and so it opens the lib on 
the network.  Now I am trying to copy a new version of the lib to tester and the file is locked.  Or 
something.  Life is not good.

Let's discuss decompile for a minute.  Decompile flushes the pcode buffers in the Access container, 
which, simply put, means that all of the "compiled" code is flushed out.  Yes I understand that 
Access is an interpreter but it actually compiles the English (VBA) language stuff we write into 
P-Code and interprets the P-Code.  The compile of the Decompile / Compile matched pair simply 
recompiles every single line of VBA code into P-Code and stuffs it back into the buffers.

When you perform a decompile / compile, you *REALLY* need to decompile / compile the library first, 
then the application using the application.  I don't understand all of the stuff but apparently 
there is a table of pointers built by the compile, things like the entry point to functions and the 
locations of constant and variables.  Apparently when you compile the application, it goes out and 
searches the library for these tables in order to correctly call functions and variables in the library.

But why do we do a decompile / compile in the first place?  Because it is possible and in fact not 
uncommon, for the P-Code to get corrupted over time.  If the lib is corrupted and you recompile the 
app, then the app calls into corrupted lib stuff.  So, decompile / compile the lib *before* you 
decompile the application that references the lib.  And if you decompile / compile the lib, then you 
must must *must* recompile the app because the lib entry points and variables might change.

Guess what?  If you happen to get confused and decompile / compile anything on a network share... it 
may (or may not) cause weird things like the app refusing to close.  So never never *never* 
decompile / compile anything that is not local to your hard disk.

Unfortunately the simple fact that FW3G references the PLSS does not expose the PLSS on through to 
the application.  So C2DbFW3G references C2DbPLSS and the application references C2DbPLSS *and* 
C2DbFW3G because it directly uses code in both.  Oh my goodness.  Now I have to decompile / compile 
the PLSS first, then the FW3G (because it references PLSS), and then the application (which directly 
references both libs).  All of this must be done on my local machine so as to avoid the "can't 
close" issue discussed above, and then copied to the final destination for public consumption.

Furthermore I need to make sure that I reference the PLSS in the FW3G to the DEV path on my local 
machine, and likewise reference PLSS and FW3G inside of the application to the dev path of my local 
machine.  Why?  Because that path is not public to the company and will trigger the re-reference 
when the user downloads all this stuff to their local machine.

But wait, there's more.  I have three different applications that use the PLSS and the framework. 
So if I decompile / compile the PLSS / FW3G, all of the applications that use these libs need to be 
recompiled.  Again, if I make changes to the libs, any app that I do not decompile will not 
reacquire the pointer tables in the libs and may start to fail.

And around and around we go.

I use batch files to copy these pieces to the user's system so that the user ends up with local 
copies and doesn't end up permanently re-referencing things back to the production location.  This 
works reasonably well as long as everyone plays by the rules.  If anyone (other than myself) 
actually opens any of these files up in tester or production, then the references silently change 
and things go south in a hurry.  It took me awhile to figure out that this was happening (a long 
time ago) and it took me awhile to remember that this occurs when I started having strange things 
happening recently.  That is the reason for starting this thread, to remind the list how this stuff 
works and to get input from other list members on their experiences with this stuff.

I am a believer in libraries to hold common code.  They exist for the simple reason that changes to 
that code, bug fixes etc can be done in one place and propagated to every place the change is 
needed.  It is important to understand what goes on behind the scenes however or you can have some 
strange things happening that will be very difficult to figure out.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:49:44 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:49:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
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	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>

NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension
DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive
> to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole
> thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 15:48:44 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:48:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <4EEA6B3C.8070309@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, an image immediately after doing all of the install / patch stuff, then another periodically.

I have to tell you though, things like DropMyRights and noScript goes a long ways towards thwarting 
the bad guys.  Sand boxes really do work well.  running all Web facing apps in a sandbox prevents 
the nasties from doing bad stuff.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/15/2011 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> Further to Hans's message (this learned the hard way)... Next time you buy or rebuild a machine, install all essential software (just the really core stuff, your choices may vary), and nothing else. As soon as you've done that, create a rescue disc (CD might be enough, more likely single-layer DVD, possibly dual-layer DVD), so that everything essential can be recovered in one swoop. In my case, this includes such utils as NoteTab, winRAR and others, Office 2010 and SQL Server, which I deem essential; that's a pretty big footprint, granted, but that's the essential house. It all fits on a single DVD, and that makes it drop-dead simple to fix it all in the ugly event of a disk-crash, etc.
>
> I've been to Hell and back too many times to list. Finally I have a procedure that works. It doesn't do everything, but it puts me back on solid-footing with a couple of clicks. I can't afford TB-sized backups so I make do with my humble means, but it works.
>
> A.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:55:36 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:55:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EEA6B3C.8070309@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4EEA6B3C.8070309@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g-3WpVgc043P=2BuDpGRMSffELy7b6kRGFUJV-O1mNaw@mail.gmail.com>

Hearty agreement on that! I run a few VMs (not all at once, given my meager
4GB of RAM), and have come to the conclusion that it's always the safest
path to create a new VM prior to installing anything new; run it there and
see what explodes; end result is the VM explodes and the rest of my baby is
intact.

A.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:48 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> Yep, an image immediately after doing all of the install / patch stuff,
> then another periodically.
>
> I have to tell you though, things like DropMyRights and noScript goes a
> long ways towards thwarting the bad guys.  Sand boxes really do work well.
>  running all Web facing apps in a sandbox prevents the nasties from doing
> bad stuff.
>
>


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Dec 15 16:11:30 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:11:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

DriveImageXML is free for personal use, Arthur. Only $69 for commercial use too. http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm 

????*??.?*.???.*???*??.?*.???.*?Merry*?* ?*?.
??_??_*.?*./ ? \ .?* .??.?.*.?* Christmas*? ?*
?. (?? ??)*.?*/?.?\*?.* ?_?_____.?Everyone ? ?* ?*
.?( . ? . ) ??./? '? ' ?\.?*./______/~?*. ?*.??* ?.*?
*(...'?'.. ) *????????.??? ????????*? .? ...
 
Lambert



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot 
> drive to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore 
> the whole thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 16:21:01 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:21:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUeaNJS_LwN8HdKY=VA9ZUep0frCapSoRJ6X_UWG0L-oA@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> And how do you recommend deleting *precisely* the first 400 controls?;-)
>

I tweaked Jim's code so the controls display in four rows of 200 each.

So it is easy to highlight the first two rows of controls, and delete them.


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 15 16:21:26 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:21:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560181C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all - even so I get scammer emails saying "X has commented on your photo" or "Y wants to be your friend" click on the link blah blah - not having a FB profile saves me a lot of time and bother.

Mind you, only yesterday I did have someone pop up on yahoo msgnr on a profile of someone I hadn't spoken to in years wanting me to click on a link so I could apply for a free Apple computer or product - apparently Apple are giving away product in honour of Steve Jobs.  Yeah... right....   "Delete!".

I was lucky as that one was clearly a scam.

That said, I think John has a great point - you really can't be too careful and even the experienced and knowledgeable can get caught out.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, 16 December 2011 12:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Yep, I don't accept friends I don't know on FB.  There are scams out there that are VERY sophisticated!

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
> out in a circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
> page to do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
> careful and I still got suckered.  Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 16:22:00 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:22:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j3JtX4BAAuofCqr0-R3MQEBXt2d7gzcynoUhQgKwsTWw@mail.gmail.com>

Wow that is some bitchin' Ascii composition. Bravo!

Arthur

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> DriveImageXML is free for personal use, Arthur. Only $69 for commercial
> use too. http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
>
> ????*??.?*.???.*???*??.?*.???.*?Merry*?* ?*?.
> ??_??_*.?*./ ? \ .?* .??.?.*.?* Christmas*? ?*
> ?. (?? ??)*.?*/?.?\*?.* ?_?_____.?Everyone ? ?* ?*
> .?( . ? . ) ??./? '? ' ?\.?*./______/~?*. ?*.??* ?.*?
> *(...'?'.. ) *????????.??? ????????*? .? ...
>
> Lambert
>
>
>

From hkotsch at arcor.de  Thu Dec 15 16:27:49 2011
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:27:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
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For private use DriveImage XML is free.

http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm


Two Versions of DriveImage XML are available:
Private Edition: Private home users are allowed to use the Private Edition
of DriveImage XML without charge. You are allowed to install DriveImage XML
on your home PC. You must not use DriveImage XML commercially. No support is
provided for the Private Edition.

Helmut



-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur
Fuller
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2011 22:50
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya


NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension
DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive
> to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole
> thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>
--
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Thu Dec 15 16:35:45 2011
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:35:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBEECAIMAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

For private use DriveImage XML is free.

http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm


Two Versions of DriveImage XML are available:
Private Edition: Private home users are allowed to use the Private Edition
of DriveImage XML without charge. You are allowed to install DriveImage XML
on your home PC. You must not use DriveImage XML commercially. No support is
provided for the Private Edition.

Helmut


-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur
Fuller
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2011 22:50
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya


NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension
DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive
> to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole
> thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec 15 16:40:25 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:40:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>

Yes - Library referencing can be a pain.

At my customers each client has a shortcut which points to an AutoUpdater
file.  The AutoUpdater file will check to see if the Main and Library files
on the client are older than the files on the server.  If so, it will copy
those files up to the client in the same folder.

But here's the problem - the main file on the client will still reference
the library file on the server.  The way I get around that is to leave the
library file on the server with an XX in the name - that way the main file
on the client can't find it so it re-references to the library file on the
client (they're in the same folder).

When the autoupdater file does its thing, it compares modified dates between
Library.mdb on the client and LibraryXX.mdb on the server.  If the server
has the newer file, then autoupdater will copy and rename the LibraryXX.mdb
file on the server to Library.mdb on the client.

Another problem is that the Library.mdb file is renamed on the server (your
dev/test system), so you can't open it until you manually retype the name,
and then you have to remember to retype it back when you're done.  To solve
that I made a ChangeXX.mdb file.  It has an AutoExec macro which runs the
following code:

'------------------------
Public Function StartupChangeXX()
On Error GoTo EH

    Dim stg As String
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim blnAddXX As Boolean
    Dim stgXXFile As String
    Dim stgExtension As String
    Dim stgPrompt As String
    Dim blnNeedManualPrompt As Boolean
    Dim blnFoundAllClear As Boolean
    Dim blnFoundAllXX As Boolean
    Dim blnFirstLoopComplete As Boolean
    Dim stgSystemMode As String
    
    stgSystemMode = Command()
'    stgSystemMode = "Review"  '-- TEST
    
    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

    '-- Do the files exist?
    stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
        & " WHERE SystemMode = '" & stgSystemMode & "'"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
    Do While rst.EOF = False
    
        stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
        stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
& " XX ." & stgExtension
            
        If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = False And
fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = False Then
            MsgBox "The file " & rst("FileFullPath") & " does not exist!",
vbExclamation + vbOKOnly, "Missing File"
            rst.Close
            Set rst = Nothing
            Application.Quit
        End If
        
        rst.MoveNext
        
    Loop
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    
    
    '-- Are all files clear or all XX?
    stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
        & " WHERE SystemMode = '" & stgSystemMode & "'"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
    Do While rst.EOF = False
        
        If blnFirstLoopComplete = False Then
            If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
                blnFoundAllClear = True
                blnAddXX = True
            Else
                blnFoundAllClear = False
                blnAddXX = False
            End If
            blnFirstLoopComplete = True
        Else
            If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
                If blnFoundAllClear = False Then
                    blnNeedManualPrompt = True
                    Exit Do
                End If
            Else
                If blnFoundAllClear = True Then
                    blnNeedManualPrompt = True
                    Exit Do
                End If
            End If
        End If
            
        rst.MoveNext
        
    Loop
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    
    
    '-- Select to add XX or Remove XX
    If blnNeedManualPrompt = True Then
        stgPrompt = "Push Yes to add XX." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Push No to remove XX."
        If MsgBox(stgPrompt, vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton2,
"Change XX") = vbYes Then
            blnAddXX = True
        Else
            blnAddXX = False
        End If
    End If


    '-- Add or remove XX
    stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
        & " WHERE SystemMode = '" & stgSystemMode & "'"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
    Do While rst.EOF = False
    
        stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
        stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
& " XX ." & stgExtension
            
        If blnAddXX = True Then
        
            If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
                fso.CopyFile rst("FileFullPath"), stgXXFile, True
                fso.DeleteFile rst("FileFullPath")
            End If
            
        Else
        
            If fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = True Then
                fso.CopyFile stgXXFile, rst("FileFullPath"), True
                fso.DeleteFile stgXXFile
            End If
        
        End If
    
        rst.MoveNext
        
    Loop
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    
    
    If blnAddXX = True Then
        CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Added XX.", 1, "XX Change"
    Else
        CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Removed XX.", 1, "XX Change"
    End If
    
    Application.Quit

    Exit Function
    
EH:
    MsgBox "Error!" _
        & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
        & "Code: " & Err.Number & vbNewLine _
        & "Desc: " & Err.Description & vbNewLine _
        & "Line: " & Erl

End Function
'-----------------------

There is also a tblParameters which contains information about which actual
system I'm working on - I have three at each customer.  Prod, Test, and
Review.  The shortcut on the desktop which opens ChangeXX.mdb has a command
argument (like '/cmd Test') so the code will know which system it's supposed
to be working on.

Also, there is a popup message that stays open for 1 second to tell me
whether it added the XX or removed the XX, then ChangeXX.mdb quits.  

Just click the ChangeXX shortcut on the server's desktop until it says
'Added XX' or 'Removed XX', and you're done!

Hope this helps!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] libraries, References and some subtleties to be
considered

I use libraries - MDAs - to hold common code, variables and constants.
Libraries are essentially places to put common code so that many different
applications can do things the same way.  If a bug is found it can be fixed
in the library, in just one place.

It is possible for a lib to reference another lib.  For example my C2DbFW3G
understands and uses my Presentation Level Security System and so it
references C2DbPLSS.  However C2DbPLSS is a standalone library, i.e. it can
be used without my FW3G.  Should I have just merged the two into one big
lib? 
That is a conversation for another day.

While on this subject, two more things.  There can be no circular references
between libs, i.e. FW3G cannot reference PLSS *and* PLSS also reference
FW3G.  Any lib can reference another lib but the reference can never "circle
back around".  Additionally the order of reference comes into play if there
are two functions, classes, variables etc with the same name.  We all
understand the scope thing (local function, module, global) but the same
issue exists in libraries in that if a name is not found in the local
container the compiler starts looking at other referenced objects, starting
from the top reference in the references dialog and working down.

This can cause oddities if we have a function (for example) with the same
name found in the application and the library.  Code in the application will
use the function inside of the application container, whereas code in the
library will use the function in the library container. 
If you use libraries and you write a function and move it to the library, do
not forget to delete the function from the application or you will have
problems.

I have two main libraries, C2DbFW3G which is the 3rd generation of my
framework, and C2DbPLSS which is my Presentation Level Security System.

Having an application reference a library causes some issues shall we say
which do not exist if you do not use them, and I just thought I would walk
through my findings and how I handle things in order to start a conversation
on the subject.

Some tidbits in no particular order.

When the developer references a library they do so via a browse button and
so the reference ends up specific to a location available from the
developer's machine.  This implies that the location may or may not be
available to another user opening the application.

When the application opens, it tries to find the file at the location
specified in the existing reference.  If found it uses that copy of the
library, no questions asked.

If the library cannot be found at that referenced location then the
application silently begins to search a set of paths to find the library.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824255

If the library is found the search immediately ceases and the reference is
"fixed up" to point to that location.  When the application closes it saves
that new reference location.  So the application has been silently
"re-referenced" to the new location.  When I say silently, I mean that there
is no immediate in-your-face indication that any of this happened.

This silent re-reference can cause odd problems.  Let's take some real life
scenarios that I encounter at my client.

I have a directory on my C: drive at the client called C:\Dev\DisNew\  This
path, in particular the Dev\ part, is unique to my machine (standing for
development).  I build a framework and an application in this location.  I
reference the lib from the application, browsing to that location and voila,
the reference points to a library in a location that does not physically
exist anywhere else in the company.

I copy the two files up to X:\DisNew\Test which is the production
(X:\DisNew) test directory.  the user has a batch file which builds a
directory on their local C: drive, copies the library and application to
that local directory and opens the application.  The application tries to
find the lib at my dev directory and fails, so it tries to find it in the
local directory and succeeds.  Life is good.

Now... I go into the X:\Disnew\Tester directory and open the application
file.  Guess what happens? 
  The application opens and tests the reference and... finds it because it
can see my dev path.  The file works.  Life is good, nothing changes.

A user goes into the X:\DisNew\Tester directory and opens the application
file and ... the application cannot find my dev directory so it starts "the
search".  It finds the library in the X:\DisNew\Test directory and
re-references and the application works.  Now when the user closes the
file... the file is referenced to the lib on the network.  Life is no longer
good!

Now we decide that the application file tests good and copy it to production
where it is copied, along with the lib down to the user's hard disk.  The
user opens the copy on their hard disk and... 
the application is referenced to the lib on the network (test directory) and
so it opens the lib on the network.  Now I am trying to copy a new version
of the lib to tester and the file is locked.  Or something.  Life is not
good.

Let's discuss decompile for a minute.  Decompile flushes the pcode buffers
in the Access container, which, simply put, means that all of the "compiled"
code is flushed out.  Yes I understand that Access is an interpreter but it
actually compiles the English (VBA) language stuff we write into P-Code and
interprets the P-Code.  The compile of the Decompile / Compile matched pair
simply recompiles every single line of VBA code into P-Code and stuffs it
back into the buffers.

When you perform a decompile / compile, you *REALLY* need to decompile /
compile the library first, then the application using the application.  I
don't understand all of the stuff but apparently there is a table of
pointers built by the compile, things like the entry point to functions and
the locations of constant and variables.  Apparently when you compile the
application, it goes out and searches the library for these tables in order
to correctly call functions and variables in the library.

But why do we do a decompile / compile in the first place?  Because it is
possible and in fact not uncommon, for the P-Code to get corrupted over
time.  If the lib is corrupted and you recompile the app, then the app calls
into corrupted lib stuff.  So, decompile / compile the lib *before* you
decompile the application that references the lib.  And if you decompile /
compile the lib, then you must must *must* recompile the app because the lib
entry points and variables might change.

Guess what?  If you happen to get confused and decompile / compile anything
on a network share... it may (or may not) cause weird things like the app
refusing to close.  So never never *never* decompile / compile anything that
is not local to your hard disk.

Unfortunately the simple fact that FW3G references the PLSS does not expose
the PLSS on through to the application.  So C2DbFW3G references C2DbPLSS and
the application references C2DbPLSS *and* C2DbFW3G because it directly uses
code in both.  Oh my goodness.  Now I have to decompile / compile the PLSS
first, then the FW3G (because it references PLSS), and then the application
(which directly references both libs).  All of this must be done on my local
machine so as to avoid the "can't close" issue discussed above, and then
copied to the final destination for public consumption.

Furthermore I need to make sure that I reference the PLSS in the FW3G to the
DEV path on my local machine, and likewise reference PLSS and FW3G inside of
the application to the dev path of my local machine.  Why?  Because that
path is not public to the company and will trigger the re-reference when the
user downloads all this stuff to their local machine.

But wait, there's more.  I have three different applications that use the
PLSS and the framework. 
So if I decompile / compile the PLSS / FW3G, all of the applications that
use these libs need to be recompiled.  Again, if I make changes to the libs,
any app that I do not decompile will not reacquire the pointer tables in the
libs and may start to fail.


And around and around we go.

I use batch files to copy these pieces to the user's system so that the user
ends up with local copies and doesn't end up permanently re-referencing
things back to the production location.  This works reasonably well as long
as everyone plays by the rules.  If anyone (other than myself) actually
opens any of these files up in tester or production, then the references
silently change and things go south in a hurry.  It took me awhile to figure
out that this was happening (a long time ago) and it took me awhile to
remember that this occurs when I started having strange things happening
recently.  That is the reason for starting this thread, to remind the list
how this stuff works and to get input from other list members on their
experiences with this stuff.

I am a believer in libraries to hold common code.  They exist for the simple
reason that changes to that code, bug fixes etc can be done in one place and
propagated to every place the change is needed.  It is important to
understand what goes on behind the scenes however or you can have some
strange things happening that will be very difficult to figure out.

--
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 17:08:13 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:08:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Here is my proposal for how to best fix Form Control Limit problems:

Control Limits
===========
Access imposes limits on how may controls you can put on a form or report:
A97 - 753
A2000 - 800
A2002 - 894
A2007 - 1040
A2010 - 1040
Thanks to Jim Dettman for working out these limits.

If you try to add more controls than your version of Access allows, you
will see:
Error: 29053
<database> can't create any more controls on this form or report.

At this point, check the number of controls on the form:
? forms("Form1").Controls.Count

If that number is less than the stated limit, you can still add more
controls, but you have to reset the control counter. Here's how:

Access 2000 or Later
=================
If you CREATED the form in Access 2000 or later, follow these steps:
Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path & "\Form_Form1"
Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
"\Form_Form1"

This should reset your control list, allowing you to keep adding up to the
stated limit. Notes:
  * This is a lot easier than copying the controls to a new form, and
manually changing all form properties to match the old
  * EatBloat will also reset the counter for such forms, as it uses this
basic technique

Access 97
========
If the form was created in Access 97, and you imported it into a later
version, there is more work to do. Follow these steps:

1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
and 'text234'. This eliminates all possibility of name collisions.

2. In the Immediate window, count the number of controls:
? Forms("Form1").Controls.Count

2. Save the form as text:
Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
"\Form_Form1.txt"

3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
edit it to the number of controls +1:
ItemSuffix =128

4. Import the form using:
Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
"\Form_Form1.txt"

-Ken


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 18:09:39 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:09:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7k-PWi3EdjV2-Sf=2QVjFk+bZ9M=Srjed-9jqFWeJv+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Control name property is read only in runtime right? So for ac97 this a
manual find and rename operation?
On Dec 15, 2011 6:09 PM, "Kenneth Ismert" <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is my proposal for how to best fix Form Control Limit problems:
>
> Control Limits
> ===========
> Access imposes limits on how may controls you can put on a form or report:
> A97 - 753
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
> Thanks to Jim Dettman for working out these limits.
>
> If you try to add more controls than your version of Access allows, you
> will see:
> Error: 29053
> <database> can't create any more controls on this form or report.
>
> At this point, check the number of controls on the form:
> ? forms("Form1").Controls.Count
>
> If that number is less than the stated limit, you can still add more
> controls, but you have to reset the control counter. Here's how:
>
> Access 2000 or Later
> =================
> If you CREATED the form in Access 2000 or later, follow these steps:
> Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path & "\Form_Form1"
> Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\Form_Form1"
>
> This should reset your control list, allowing you to keep adding up to the
> stated limit. Notes:
>  * This is a lot easier than copying the controls to a new form, and
> manually changing all form properties to match the old
>  * EatBloat will also reset the counter for such forms, as it uses this
> basic technique
>
> Access 97
> ========
> If the form was created in Access 97, and you imported it into a later
> version, there is more work to do. Follow these steps:
>
> 1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
> and 'text234'. This eliminates all possibility of name collisions.
>
> 2. In the Immediate window, count the number of controls:
> ? Forms("Form1").Controls.Count
>
> 2. Save the form as text:
> Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\Form_Form1.txt"
>
> 3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
> edit it to the number of controls +1:
> ItemSuffix =128
>
> 4. Import the form using:
> Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\Form_Form1.txt"
>
> -Ken
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>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 20:50:39 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:50:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
	<006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks for those suggestions.  My methods are crude and I have always wanted to get a little more 
sophisticated.  I will have to spend a little time thinking about the suggestions you discuss.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/15/2011 5:40 PM, Dan Waters wrote:
> Yes - Library referencing can be a pain.
>
> At my customers each client has a shortcut which points to an AutoUpdater
> file.  The AutoUpdater file will check to see if the Main and Library files
> on the client are older than the files on the server.  If so, it will copy
> those files up to the client in the same folder.
>
> But here's the problem - the main file on the client will still reference
> the library file on the server.  The way I get around that is to leave the
> library file on the server with an XX in the name - that way the main file
> on the client can't find it so it re-references to the library file on the
> client (they're in the same folder).
>
> When the autoupdater file does its thing, it compares modified dates between
> Library.mdb on the client and LibraryXX.mdb on the server.  If the server
> has the newer file, then autoupdater will copy and rename the LibraryXX.mdb
> file on the server to Library.mdb on the client.
>
> Another problem is that the Library.mdb file is renamed on the server (your
> dev/test system), so you can't open it until you manually retype the name,
> and then you have to remember to retype it back when you're done.  To solve
> that I made a ChangeXX.mdb file.  It has an AutoExec macro which runs the
> following code:
>
> '------------------------
> Public Function StartupChangeXX()
> On Error GoTo EH
>
>      Dim stg As String
>      Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
>      Dim fso As FileSystemObject
>      Dim blnAddXX As Boolean
>      Dim stgXXFile As String
>      Dim stgExtension As String
>      Dim stgPrompt As String
>      Dim blnNeedManualPrompt As Boolean
>      Dim blnFoundAllClear As Boolean
>      Dim blnFoundAllXX As Boolean
>      Dim blnFirstLoopComplete As Boolean
>      Dim stgSystemMode As String
>
>      stgSystemMode = Command()
> '    stgSystemMode = "Review"  '-- TEST
>
>      Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
>      '-- Do the files exist?
>      stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
>          &  " WHERE SystemMode = '"&  stgSystemMode&  "'"
>      Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
>      Do While rst.EOF = False
>
>          stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
>          stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
> &  " XX ."&  stgExtension
>
>          If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = False And
> fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = False Then
>              MsgBox "The file "&  rst("FileFullPath")&  " does not exist!",
> vbExclamation + vbOKOnly, "Missing File"
>              rst.Close
>              Set rst = Nothing
>              Application.Quit
>          End If
>
>          rst.MoveNext
>
>      Loop
>      rst.Close
>      Set rst = Nothing
>
>
>      '-- Are all files clear or all XX?
>      stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
>          &  " WHERE SystemMode = '"&  stgSystemMode&  "'"
>      Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
>      Do While rst.EOF = False
>
>          If blnFirstLoopComplete = False Then
>              If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
>                  blnFoundAllClear = True
>                  blnAddXX = True
>              Else
>                  blnFoundAllClear = False
>                  blnAddXX = False
>              End If
>              blnFirstLoopComplete = True
>          Else
>              If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
>                  If blnFoundAllClear = False Then
>                      blnNeedManualPrompt = True
>                      Exit Do
>                  End If
>              Else
>                  If blnFoundAllClear = True Then
>                      blnNeedManualPrompt = True
>                      Exit Do
>                  End If
>              End If
>          End If
>
>          rst.MoveNext
>
>      Loop
>      rst.Close
>      Set rst = Nothing
>
>
>      '-- Select to add XX or Remove XX
>      If blnNeedManualPrompt = True Then
>          stgPrompt = "Push Yes to add XX." _
>              &  vbNewLine&  vbNewLine _
>              &  "Push No to remove XX."
>          If MsgBox(stgPrompt, vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton2,
> "Change XX") = vbYes Then
>              blnAddXX = True
>          Else
>              blnAddXX = False
>          End If
>      End If
>
>
>      '-- Add or remove XX
>      stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
>          &  " WHERE SystemMode = '"&  stgSystemMode&  "'"
>      Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
>      Do While rst.EOF = False
>
>          stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
>          stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
> &  " XX ."&  stgExtension
>
>          If blnAddXX = True Then
>
>              If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
>                  fso.CopyFile rst("FileFullPath"), stgXXFile, True
>                  fso.DeleteFile rst("FileFullPath")
>              End If
>
>          Else
>
>              If fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = True Then
>                  fso.CopyFile stgXXFile, rst("FileFullPath"), True
>                  fso.DeleteFile stgXXFile
>              End If
>
>          End If
>
>          rst.MoveNext
>
>      Loop
>      rst.Close
>      Set rst = Nothing
>
>
>      If blnAddXX = True Then
>          CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Added XX.", 1, "XX Change"
>      Else
>          CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Removed XX.", 1, "XX Change"
>      End If
>
>      Application.Quit
>
>      Exit Function
>
> EH:
>      MsgBox "Error!" _
>          &  vbNewLine&  vbNewLine _
>          &  "Code: "&  Err.Number&  vbNewLine _
>          &  "Desc: "&  Err.Description&  vbNewLine _
>          &  "Line: "&  Erl
>
> End Function
> '-----------------------
>
> There is also a tblParameters which contains information about which actual
> system I'm working on - I have three at each customer.  Prod, Test, and
> Review.  The shortcut on the desktop which opens ChangeXX.mdb has a command
> argument (like '/cmd Test') so the code will know which system it's supposed
> to be working on.
>
> Also, there is a popup message that stays open for 1 second to tell me
> whether it added the XX or removed the XX, then ChangeXX.mdb quits.
>
> Just click the ChangeXX shortcut on the server's desktop until it says
> 'Added XX' or 'Removed XX', and you're done!
>
> Hope this helps!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] libraries, References and some subtleties to be
> considered
>
> I use libraries - MDAs - to hold common code, variables and constants.
> Libraries are essentially places to put common code so that many different
> applications can do things the same way.  If a bug is found it can be fixed
> in the library, in just one place.
>
> It is possible for a lib to reference another lib.  For example my C2DbFW3G
> understands and uses my Presentation Level Security System and so it
> references C2DbPLSS.  However C2DbPLSS is a standalone library, i.e. it can
> be used without my FW3G.  Should I have just merged the two into one big
> lib?
> That is a conversation for another day.
>
> While on this subject, two more things.  There can be no circular references
> between libs, i.e. FW3G cannot reference PLSS *and* PLSS also reference
> FW3G.  Any lib can reference another lib but the reference can never "circle
> back around".  Additionally the order of reference comes into play if there
> are two functions, classes, variables etc with the same name.  We all
> understand the scope thing (local function, module, global) but the same
> issue exists in libraries in that if a name is not found in the local
> container the compiler starts looking at other referenced objects, starting
> from the top reference in the references dialog and working down.
>
> This can cause oddities if we have a function (for example) with the same
> name found in the application and the library.  Code in the application will
> use the function inside of the application container, whereas code in the
> library will use the function in the library container.
> If you use libraries and you write a function and move it to the library, do
> not forget to delete the function from the application or you will have
> problems.
>
> I have two main libraries, C2DbFW3G which is the 3rd generation of my
> framework, and C2DbPLSS which is my Presentation Level Security System.
>
> Having an application reference a library causes some issues shall we say
> which do not exist if you do not use them, and I just thought I would walk
> through my findings and how I handle things in order to start a conversation
> on the subject.
>
> Some tidbits in no particular order.
>
> When the developer references a library they do so via a browse button and
> so the reference ends up specific to a location available from the
> developer's machine.  This implies that the location may or may not be
> available to another user opening the application.
>
> When the application opens, it tries to find the file at the location
> specified in the existing reference.  If found it uses that copy of the
> library, no questions asked.
>
> If the library cannot be found at that referenced location then the
> application silently begins to search a set of paths to find the library.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824255
>
> If the library is found the search immediately ceases and the reference is
> "fixed up" to point to that location.  When the application closes it saves
> that new reference location.  So the application has been silently
> "re-referenced" to the new location.  When I say silently, I mean that there
> is no immediate in-your-face indication that any of this happened.
>
> This silent re-reference can cause odd problems.  Let's take some real life
> scenarios that I encounter at my client.
>
> I have a directory on my C: drive at the client called C:\Dev\DisNew\  This
> path, in particular the Dev\ part, is unique to my machine (standing for
> development).  I build a framework and an application in this location.  I
> reference the lib from the application, browsing to that location and voila,
> the reference points to a library in a location that does not physically
> exist anywhere else in the company.
>
> I copy the two files up to X:\DisNew\Test which is the production
> (X:\DisNew) test directory.  the user has a batch file which builds a
> directory on their local C: drive, copies the library and application to
> that local directory and opens the application.  The application tries to
> find the lib at my dev directory and fails, so it tries to find it in the
> local directory and succeeds.  Life is good.
>
> Now... I go into the X:\Disnew\Tester directory and open the application
> file.  Guess what happens?
>    The application opens and tests the reference and... finds it because it
> can see my dev path.  The file works.  Life is good, nothing changes.
>
> A user goes into the X:\DisNew\Tester directory and opens the application
> file and ... the application cannot find my dev directory so it starts "the
> search".  It finds the library in the X:\DisNew\Test directory and
> re-references and the application works.  Now when the user closes the
> file... the file is referenced to the lib on the network.  Life is no longer
> good!
>
> Now we decide that the application file tests good and copy it to production
> where it is copied, along with the lib down to the user's hard disk.  The
> user opens the copy on their hard disk and...
> the application is referenced to the lib on the network (test directory) and
> so it opens the lib on the network.  Now I am trying to copy a new version
> of the lib to tester and the file is locked.  Or something.  Life is not
> good.
>
> Let's discuss decompile for a minute.  Decompile flushes the pcode buffers
> in the Access container, which, simply put, means that all of the "compiled"
> code is flushed out.  Yes I understand that Access is an interpreter but it
> actually compiles the English (VBA) language stuff we write into P-Code and
> interprets the P-Code.  The compile of the Decompile / Compile matched pair
> simply recompiles every single line of VBA code into P-Code and stuffs it
> back into the buffers.
>
> When you perform a decompile / compile, you *REALLY* need to decompile /
> compile the library first, then the application using the application.  I
> don't understand all of the stuff but apparently there is a table of
> pointers built by the compile, things like the entry point to functions and
> the locations of constant and variables.  Apparently when you compile the
> application, it goes out and searches the library for these tables in order
> to correctly call functions and variables in the library.
>
> But why do we do a decompile / compile in the first place?  Because it is
> possible and in fact not uncommon, for the P-Code to get corrupted over
> time.  If the lib is corrupted and you recompile the app, then the app calls
> into corrupted lib stuff.  So, decompile / compile the lib *before* you
> decompile the application that references the lib.  And if you decompile /
> compile the lib, then you must must *must* recompile the app because the lib
> entry points and variables might change.
>
> Guess what?  If you happen to get confused and decompile / compile anything
> on a network share... it may (or may not) cause weird things like the app
> refusing to close.  So never never *never* decompile / compile anything that
> is not local to your hard disk.
>
> Unfortunately the simple fact that FW3G references the PLSS does not expose
> the PLSS on through to the application.  So C2DbFW3G references C2DbPLSS and
> the application references C2DbPLSS *and* C2DbFW3G because it directly uses
> code in both.  Oh my goodness.  Now I have to decompile / compile the PLSS
> first, then the FW3G (because it references PLSS), and then the application
> (which directly references both libs).  All of this must be done on my local
> machine so as to avoid the "can't close" issue discussed above, and then
> copied to the final destination for public consumption.
>
> Furthermore I need to make sure that I reference the PLSS in the FW3G to the
> DEV path on my local machine, and likewise reference PLSS and FW3G inside of
> the application to the dev path of my local machine.  Why?  Because that
> path is not public to the company and will trigger the re-reference when the
> user downloads all this stuff to their local machine.
>
> But wait, there's more.  I have three different applications that use the
> PLSS and the framework.
> So if I decompile / compile the PLSS / FW3G, all of the applications that
> use these libs need to be recompiled.  Again, if I make changes to the libs,
> any app that I do not decompile will not reacquire the pointer tables in the
> libs and may start to fail.
>
>
> And around and around we go.
>
> I use batch files to copy these pieces to the user's system so that the user
> ends up with local copies and doesn't end up permanently re-referencing
> things back to the production location.  This works reasonably well as long
> as everyone plays by the rules.  If anyone (other than myself) actually
> opens any of these files up in tester or production, then the references
> silently change and things go south in a hurry.  It took me awhile to figure
> out that this was happening (a long time ago) and it took me awhile to
> remember that this occurs when I started having strange things happening
> recently.  That is the reason for starting this thread, to remind the list
> how this stuff works and to get input from other list members on their
> experiences with this stuff.
>
> I am a believer in libraries to hold common code.  They exist for the simple
> reason that changes to that code, bug fixes etc can be done in one place and
> propagated to every place the change is needed.  It is important to
> understand what goes on behind the scenes however or you can have some
> strange things happening that will be very difficult to figure out.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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>



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 16 06:30:35 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:30:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be	considered
Message-ID: <seeb4818.042@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I think you just won the prize of the year for the longest code-less post!

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 15-12-2011 22:37 >>>
I use libraries - <snip>




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 16 06:51:55 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:51:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
Message-ID: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>

Hi Darryl

Even if you don't, some sites you visit may link back to FB (Check for "like this" or similar).

If so and if you use WinXP and IE8, you may experience that whenever you open such site, Windows resource usage at once raises from the few percent in idle mode to about 30% because of services.exe doing something unknown - probably some phone-home-to-FB thingy. It may be so aggressive that it eats every second or third keystroke you do while IE8 has focus.

A method to kill this misbehaviour is to go to Options .. Security and add to the "dirty" (non-secure) list of sites:

  *.facebook.com

Bingo! Usage drops to a few percent.

/gustav

PS: I think we are 10 people.


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 15-12-2011 23:21 >>>
I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all - 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 16 06:50:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:50:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Browser Sandbox - Run any browser instantly from the web
Message-ID: <4EEB3E98.1040206@colbyconsulting.com>

I stumbled across this today.  I have Googled Spoon.net and it appears to be up and up, and netcraft 
gives them a "zero risk" rating.

http://codingstrategist.posterous.com/what-is-spoonnet
http://spoon.net/browsers

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec 16 07:53:51 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:53:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
	<006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
	<4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>

John - great post on your use of the libraries....very few developers do
this.
My question: what is the equivalent of an MDA in AC2007, AC2010 ? An ACCDA ?
Any advantage one way or the other ?
>
> Thanks for those suggestions.  My methods are crude and I have always
> wanted to get a little more
> sophisticated.  I will have to spend a little time thinking about the
> suggestions you discuss.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting




From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Dec 16 08:05:02 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:05:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j3JtX4BAAuofCqr0-R3MQEBXt2d7gzcynoUhQgKwsTWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1j3JtX4BAAuofCqr0-R3MQEBXt2d7gzcynoUhQgKwsTWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D79@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

I cannot claim any credit. I found it on one of the many ASCII Art sites out there, and of course I cannot locate the exact source now, but here's a good one...

http://www.ascii-art.de/

Lambert :-) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 5:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Wow that is some bitchin' Ascii composition. Bravo!

Arthur

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> DriveImageXML is free for personal use, Arthur. Only $69 for 
> commercial use too. http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
>
> ????*??.?*.???.*???*??.?*.???.*?Merry*?* ?*?.
> ??_??_*.?*./ ? \ .?* .??.?.*.?* Christmas*? ?*
> ?. (?? ??)*.?*/?.?\*?.* ?_?_____.?Everyone ? ?* ?* .?( . ? . ) ??./? 
> '? ' ?\.?*./______/~?*. ?*.??* ?.*?
> *(...'?'.. ) *????????.??? ????????*? .? ...
>
> Lambert
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 16 09:07:01 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:07:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be	considered
In-Reply-To: <seeb4818.042@cactus.dk>
References: <seeb4818.042@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4EEB5E95.1070606@colbyconsulting.com>

ROTFL.  It's a convoluted subject.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/16/2011 7:30 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> I think you just won the prize of the year for the longest code-less post!
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 15-12-2011 22:37>>>
> I use libraries -<snip>
>
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 16 09:15:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:15:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
	<006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
	<4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>
	<005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>
Message-ID: <4EEB6097.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>

The extension .MDA is just a convention and really doesn't enforce anything.  The library can have 
an MDB, MDE or even XYZ and still be referenced and used.  I know because I just renamed one of my 
libraries to have an extension .XYZ and referenced it.

While I haven't done so I know that developers sometimes change the .MDB to .MyExt in order to 
obfuscate the fact that it an mdb file and try and keep people from opening it directly in Access. 
Access can in fact still open the file but you can no longer just double click it.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/16/2011 8:53 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> John - great post on your use of the libraries....very few developers do
> this.
> My question: what is the equivalent of an MDA in AC2007, AC2010 ? An ACCDA ?
> Any advantage one way or the other ?
>>
>> Thanks for those suggestions.  My methods are crude and I have always
>> wanted to get a little more
>> sophisticated.  I will have to spend a little time thinking about the
>> suggestions you discuss.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>
>



From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 10:14:07 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:14:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yVtD3T3+bXYkpscGdJHCZFwTpQLk0AhoUogVixkb1zujw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> Control name property is read only in runtime right? So for ac97 this a
> manual find and rename operation?
>

You're correct, name is a design-time property.

You can fairly easily write code to rename controls with the form in design
view. For the purposes of Lifetime Control Limits, the names don't even
have to be meaningful, just different from the defaults.

But this code would have to:
 * Rename control references and event handlers in the form's module
 * Find and fix all control references in form and control property
expressions, as well as in underlying queries.
 * Find and fix control references in queries, forms, reports, macros and
modules outside of the form in question.

So, if you have to maintain a monster form that was created in A97, and are
running into control limit issues, the task of fixing it could be huge.

If that is the case, maybe its time to start from scratch with a simpler
solution that spreads functionality among a number of smaller forms.

-Ken


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 12:19:22 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:19:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
In-Reply-To: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
References: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>

Facebook defaults to that kind of behavior but it can be turned off in FB.
I do NOT post my location, and that's part of what it's doing.

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Darryl
>
> Even if you don't, some sites you visit may link back to FB (Check for
> "like this" or similar).
>
> If so and if you use WinXP and IE8, you may experience that whenever you
> open such site, Windows resource usage at once raises from the few percent
> in idle mode to about 30% because of services.exe doing something unknown -
> probably some phone-home-to-FB thingy. It may be so aggressive that it eats
> every second or third keystroke you do while IE8 has focus.
>
> A method to kill this misbehaviour is to go to Options .. Security and add
> to the "dirty" (non-secure) list of sites:
>
>  *.facebook.com
>
>
>
> Bingo! Usage drops to a few percent.
>
> /gustav
>
> PS: I think we are 10 people.
>
>
> >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 15-12-2011 23:21 >>>
> I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all -
>
>
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>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>


From john at winhaven.net  Fri Dec 16 12:34:21 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:34:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <022d01ccbc21$54100360$fc300a20$@winhaven.net>

Facebook makes its money from advertising. That's why it's free. They will
collect as much information from you as they can and they will use it. If
you want to prevent that as much as possible you need to go in and
thoroughly go through the settings and change them.



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 12:39:57 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:39:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
In-Reply-To: <022d01ccbc21$54100360$fc300a20$@winhaven.net>
References: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<022d01ccbc21$54100360$fc300a20$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9aDXrXwOnueCtGs+ix3akUXeayuX7D3SuDPvjGv6NCoA@mail.gmail.com>

Amen, John!

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:34 AM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Facebook makes its money from advertising. That's why it's free. They will
> collect as much information from you as they can and they will use it. If
> you want to prevent that as much as possible you need to go in and
> thoroughly go through the settings and change them.
>
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>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>


From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Dec 16 15:33:54 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:33:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip address
update client on my desktop that's on all the time.

www.opendns.com


Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out
in a circle somehow.

I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
Facebook...

You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page
to do something bad to my computer.

I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.

It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
careful and I still got suckered. 
  Only my safeguards saved me.

--
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Colby Consulting

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec 16 16:35:31 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:35:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <4EEB6097.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>,
	<4EEB6097.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EEBC7B3.9577.A21BA4E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I rename whenever I use an mdb as data storage for a PB application.

-- 
Stuart


On 16 Dec 2011 at 10:15, jwcolby wrote:

> While I haven't done so I know that developers sometimes change the .MDB to .MyExt in order to 
> obfuscate the fact that it an mdb file and try and keep people from opening it directly in Access. 
> Access can in fact still open the file but you can no longer just double click it.
> 




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 22:06:42 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:06:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yVtD3T3+bXYkpscGdJHCZFwTpQLk0AhoUogVixkb1zujw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yVtD3T3+bXYkpscGdJHCZFwTpQLk0AhoUogVixkb1zujw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4DvDibxsO8i2euUY1QrR2Wb07HKS7dKL8uGJS7VTR_5g@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone aware of some Addin or developer tool which takes care of all
those referencing issues when renaming controls? It would sure be a plus to
have something like that.

Maybe no way to fool proof it.

I agree about starting from scratch.
On Dec 16, 2011 11:16 AM, "Kenneth Ismert" <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > William Benson:
> > Control name property is read only in runtime right? So for ac97 this a
> > manual find and rename operation?
> >
>
> You're correct, name is a design-time property.
>
> You can fairly easily write code to rename controls with the form in design
> view. For the purposes of Lifetime Control Limits, the names don't even
> have to be meaningful, just different from the defaults.
>
> But this code would have to:
>  * Rename control references and event handlers in the form's module
>  * Find and fix all control references in form and control property
> expressions, as well as in underlying queries.
>  * Find and fix control references in queries, forms, reports, macros and
> modules outside of the form in question.
>
> So, if you have to maintain a monster form that was created in A97, and are
> running into control limit issues, the task of fixing it could be huge.
>
> If that is the case, maybe its time to start from scratch with a simpler
> solution that spreads functionality among a number of smaller forms.
>
> -Ken
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 22:09:45 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:09:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V74efEPGdcidaxiJyVAtpW6wFgDpYJpgP7HRyY1d9Mqwg@mail.gmail.com>

Would I be mistaken in guessing that EatBloat is a recommended preventive
maintenance?


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 17 04:08:40 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:08:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>

One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are any dns queries coming from malware on your network.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond" <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote:

> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip address
> update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
> 
> www.opendns.com
> 
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out
> in a circle somehow.
> 
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
> 
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page
> to do something bad to my computer.
> 
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
> 
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
> careful and I still got suckered. 
>  Only my safeguards saved me.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
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> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 17 05:34:24 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:34:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
Message-ID: <seec8c65.067@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte and John

You missed that I wrote "whenever you open such site". That's all. No login is needed (or done).

This is a WinXP/IE8 combo issue. I don't see it with Vista/IE9.

/gustav


>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 16-12-2011 19:19 >>>
Facebook defaults to that kind of behavior but it can be turned off in FB.
I do NOT post my location, and that's part of what it's doing.

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Darryl
>
> Even if you don't, some sites you visit may link back to FB (Check for
> "like this" or similar).
>
> If so and if you use WinXP and IE8, you may experience that whenever you
> open such site, Windows resource usage at once raises from the few percent
> in idle mode to about 30% because of services.exe doing something unknown -
> probably some phone-home-to-FB thingy. It may be so aggressive that it eats
> every second or third keystroke you do while IE8 has focus.
>
> A method to kill this misbehaviour is to go to Options .. Security and add
> to the "dirty" (non-secure) list of sites:
>
>  *.facebook.com
>
>
>
> Bingo! Usage drops to a few percent.
>
> /gustav
>
> PS: I think we are 10 people.
>
>
> >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 15-12-2011 23:21 >>>
> I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all -





From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Dec 17 08:12:50 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:12:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>

I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?

I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what it
was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.

I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are
any dns queries coming from malware on your network.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond" <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote:

> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's 
> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install 
> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip 
> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
> 
> www.opendns.com
> 
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
> out in a circle somehow.
> 
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
> 
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
> page to do something bad to my computer.
> 
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
> 
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
> careful and I still got suckered.
>  Only my safeguards saved me.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, 
> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
> corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or 
> review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient.
> **********************************************************************
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 17 09:06:21 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:06:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>

OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server takes names such as 
Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those 
"natural language" IP addresses and filters them against known attributes and makes a decision 
whether to perform the translation into a numeric IP address.

So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to OpenDNS, where I have set up my 
filters based on what I want to allow through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to 
filter out specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.

http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/

My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to surf to that site.  My 
son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent this issue and within minutes has discovered 
what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different Domain name server.  15 minutes 
later he is reading penthouse.

Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....

You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server such as OpenDNS, which is a 
much more secure implementation method.  The problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a 
specific DNS then it goes around the router.

But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and determined teenagers, a 
service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it is and what it does.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
> with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
> this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what it
> was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.
>
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are
> any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
>
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond"<rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>  wrote:
>
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
>> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
>> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip
>> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>>
>> www.opendns.com
>>
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them
>> out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
>> Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>>
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>>
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>>   Only my safeguards saved me.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> **********************************************************************
>> WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received,
>> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
>> corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or
>> review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient.
>> **********************************************************************
>>
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>



From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Dec 17 09:13:42 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:13:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>

I have no doubt that the son of John Colby is very sophisticated, computer
literate, and determined!

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server
takes names such as Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address
www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those "natural language" IP addresses
and filters them against known attributes and makes a decision whether to
perform the translation into a numeric IP address.

So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to
OpenDNS, where I have set up my filters based on what I want to allow
through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to filter out
specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.

http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/

My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to
surf to that site.  My son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent
this issue and within minutes has discovered what is going on and has
locally set his system to use a different Domain name server.  15 minutes
later he is reading penthouse.

Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....

You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server
such as OpenDNS, which is a much more secure implementation method.  The
problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a specific DNS then it
goes around the router.

But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and
determined teenagers, a service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it
is and what it does.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different 
> customers with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue 
> with any of this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of 
> what it was actually doing, or even a general description of how it
worked.
>
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if 
> there are any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
>
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond"<rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>
wrote:
>
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  
>> It's free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to 
>> install filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns 
>> ip address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>>
>> www.opendns.com
>>
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
>> out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
>> Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>>
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>>
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>>   Only my safeguards saved me.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> *********************************************************************
>> *
>> WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, 
>> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
>> corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or 
>> review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient.
>> *********************************************************************
>> *
>>
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 17 10:15:36 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:15:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EECC028.70600@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, he is getting that way.  ATM he is 10 years old, and that was just allegorical.

I am sure that you can have a lively discussion with Rocky about determined teenage boys though.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 10:13 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I have no doubt that the son of John Colby is very sophisticated, computer
> literate, and determined!
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server
> takes names such as Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address
> www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those "natural language" IP addresses
> and filters them against known attributes and makes a decision whether to
> perform the translation into a numeric IP address.
>
> So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to
> OpenDNS, where I have set up my filters based on what I want to allow
> through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to filter out
> specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.
>
> http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/
>
> My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to
> surf to that site.  My son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent
> this issue and within minutes has discovered what is going on and has
> locally set his system to use a different Domain name server.  15 minutes
> later he is reading penthouse.
>
> Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....
>
> You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server
> such as OpenDNS, which is a much more secure implementation method.  The
> problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a specific DNS then it
> goes around the router.
>
> But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and
> determined teenagers, a service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it
> is and what it does.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
>> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different
>> customers with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue
>> with any of this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>>
>> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of
>> what it was actually doing, or even a general description of how it
> worked.
>>
>> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>>
>> Dan



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 17 15:31:12 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:31:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>

OpenDNS basically just does the same thing your ISP does, in terms of telling your computer what public IP address (in other words, which public server(s)) are responsible for a given domain name. Your ISP normally provides this service and when you configure your router, it generally gives you those settings automatically, but there is no reason you can't use another provider (if you are a web developer/sys ops person such as myself, it is very useful to query different DNS servers around the world to see if there are problems with your configuration and how it is propagating around). It's just a matter of changing the IP address for DNS in your router or even just specific individual computers/networked devices.

What makes OpenDNS stand out is that they add additional features beyond just DNS resolution that you don't get from your ISP at all. Domain filtering, statistics, malware monitoring and phishing/malware filtering (on a DNS level) and so forth. The only thing they ask for in exchange is that you allow them to display their search page with their advertising instead of an error page when you type in a bad domain in your browser address bar.

Its a cheap way of providing basic filtering and protection for home, school or business, so, as long as you don't mind a third party company knowing what domains you visit, it's well worth it. They also spend a lot of effort speeding up DNS  lookups, so it will be a slight boost to your Internet usage. Also, for those who are security minded and know the technical merits of it, OpenDNS uses DNSCurve (an alternative to DNSSEC), to avoid DNS cache poisoning and so forth, something many ISPs have yet to adopt.

Like John said, however, it's trivial for anyone who knows basic networking, so it's not foolproof. But there you go. You get what you pay for (or not).

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 17 Dec 2011, at 06:12, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
> with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
> this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
> 
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what it
> was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.
> 
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are
> any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
> 
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> 
> 
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond" <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote:
> 
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's 
>> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install 
>> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip 
>> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>> 
>> www.opendns.com
>> 
>> 
>> Rusty
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>> 
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
>> out in a circle somehow.
>> 
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
>> Facebook...
>> 
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>> 
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>> 
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>> Only my safeguards saved me.
>> 
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> 
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Dec 17 15:53:15 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:53:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EECC028.70600@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net><4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com><002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>
	<4EECC028.70600@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <9CF110EE28CA43C38D0F30CE013A296B@HAL9007>

I used to have some illusions about control but they got the crap kicked out
of them.  21 is beyond my control.  15 is not interested in porn - more
interested in torrenting SkyRim and SolidWorks.  And making the robots dance
and sing.  So far so good. :)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

LOL, he is getting that way.  ATM he is 10 years old, and that was just
allegorical.

I am sure that you can have a lively discussion with Rocky about determined
teenage boys though.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 10:13 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I have no doubt that the son of John Colby is very sophisticated, 
> computer literate, and determined!
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name 
> Server takes names such as Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric 
> IP address www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those "natural 
> language" IP addresses and filters them against known attributes and 
> makes a decision whether to perform the translation into a numeric IP
address.
>
> So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to 
> OpenDNS, where I have set up my filters based on what I want to allow 
> through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to filter 
> out specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.
>
> http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/
>
> My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not 
> allowed to surf to that site.  My son then embarks on a concerted 
> attempt to circumvent this issue and within minutes has discovered 
> what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different 
> Domain name server.  15 minutes later he is reading penthouse.
>
> Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....
>
> You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name 
> server such as OpenDNS, which is a much more secure implementation 
> method.  The problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a 
> specific DNS then it goes around the router.
>
> But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate 
> and determined teenagers, a service like OpenDNS works rather well, 
> for what it is and what it does.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
>> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different 
>> customers with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue 
>> with any of this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>>
>> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of 
>> what it was actually doing, or even a general description of how it
> worked.
>>
>> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>>
>> Dan

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 17 16:00:58 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 08:00:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I frequently use MXToolbox.com to check how the world sees our DNS records (also to see if 
a client's IP addess is on any blacklists, to check whether their SMTP server is working and 
not an open relay , check that they have a valid PTR record etc).

To query different DNS servers, I use DIG - you can get a Windows CLI version here:
http://members.shaw.ca/nicholas.fong/dig/

-- 
Stuart

On 17 Dec 2011 at 13:31, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:

>  if you are a web developer/sys ops person such as myself, it is very
> useful to query different DNS servers around the world to see if there
> are problems with your configuration and how it is propagating around 




From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 17 18:06:48 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:06:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <79A9C576-1649-453C-8908-AB5330DA27B8@phulse.com>

They made a Windows version? That's neat. Is that without using Cygwin?

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2011-12-17, at 2:00 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> I frequently use MXToolbox.com to check how the world sees our DNS records (also to see if 
> a client's IP addess is on any blacklists, to check whether their SMTP server is working and 
> not an open relay , check that they have a valid PTR record etc).
> 
> To query different DNS servers, I use DIG - you can get a Windows CLI version here:
> http://members.shaw.ca/nicholas.fong/dig/
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 17 Dec 2011 at 13:31, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> 
>> if you are a web developer/sys ops person such as myself, it is very
>> useful to query different DNS servers around the world to see if there
>> are problems with your configuration and how it is propagating around 
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 17 18:35:50 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:35:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <79A9C576-1649-453C-8908-AB5330DA27B8@phulse.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<79A9C576-1649-453C-8908-AB5330DA27B8@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <4EED3566.6653.FB61FB2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It uses Cygwin. The zip contains:

12/06/2008  09:35 AM         1,872,884 cygwin1.dll
14/12/2005  01:29 PM            73,728 dig.exe
14/12/2005  01:28 PM            61,440 host.exe
14/12/2005  01:26 PM            21,504 libbind9.dll
14/12/2005  01:23 PM         1,007,616 libdns.dll
16/10/2003  12:09 PM           737,280 libeay32.dll
14/12/2005  01:21 PM           217,088 libisc.dll
14/12/2005  01:25 PM            53,248 libisccfg.dll
14/12/2005  01:26 PM            35,328 liblwres.dll
24/01/2006  08:44 PM           344,064 msvcr70.dll
30/05/2009  07:39 AM                 0 resolv.conf
12/05/2008  03:12 PM            19,968 sha1sum.exe
18/11/2009  11:48 PM            80,092 whois.exe


On 17 Dec 2011 at 16:06, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:

> They made a Windows version? That's neat. Is that without using Cygwin?
> 
> - Hans
> 




From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Dec 18 11:30:09 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:30:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <5DB682B02ABE4F40AA490E1CA5ED2AAA@XPS>

<<  My 
son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent this issue and within
minutes has discovered 
what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different Domain
name server.  15 minutes 
later he is reading penthouse.>>

  Tongue in cheek or not, wait till he finds out about proxy servers<g>.
Even DNS filtering doesn't help you then.

  Having raised three boys, I can tell you it was a real challenge at times
to stay ahead of them.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server
takes names such as 
Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address www.xxx.yyy.zzz.
OpenDNS simply takes those 
"natural language" IP addresses and filters them against known attributes
and makes a decision 
whether to perform the translation into a numeric IP address.

So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to
OpenDNS, where I have set up my 
filters based on what I want to allow through.  There are checkboxes on that
page which allows me to 
filter out specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult
content.

http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/

My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to
surf to that site.  My 
son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent this issue and within
minutes has discovered 
what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different Domain
name server.  15 minutes 
later he is reading penthouse.

Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....

You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server
such as OpenDNS, which is a 
much more secure implementation method.  The problem is that IIRC if you set
the NIC itself to use a 
specific DNS then it goes around the router.

But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and
determined teenagers, a 
service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it is and what it does.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
> with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
> this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what
it
> was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.
>
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there
are
> any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
>
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond"<rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>
wrote:
>
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
>> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
>> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip
>> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>>
>> www.opendns.com
>>
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them
>> out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
>> Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>>
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>>
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>>   Only my safeguards saved me.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
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>> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Dec 20 12:57:57 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:57:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I have the following query
SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf, Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters] 
INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID) 
INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date] 
INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON 
GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON 
([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date) 
AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER)) 
ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER) 
INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915) 
AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;

The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373

The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061

I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as done by Access. 

Any thoughts appreciated.

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

?
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Dec 20 13:28:53 2011
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:28:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 help functionality problem
Message-ID: <001401ccbf4d$9bb725c0$d3257140$@cox.net>

Folks,

Here is another interesting behavior in Access 2010. It is probably specific
to my installation. Today when I was working on a project I hit the F1 key
in the VBA IDE to get the parameters for a command. Instead of the help
window opening I get a Download authorization dialog that asks if I want to
save Transition.htm from MS.MSACESS.DEV.14.1033. So I say yes and it saves
the file then I open it and it tries to open itself again. Is there some
file association setting that has gotten changed, registry setting that got
hosed, or ???? Help has worked. I shut down Access and restarted the
computer to make sure it wasn't just something that failed to load. Problem
still there.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. I don't use Access help that often but
I do like to use the help from the object browser and that is broken also.

Thanks in advance.

Doug



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Dec 20 15:59:21 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:59:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <4EF10539.1591.1E9A0E24@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You must have eleven records that match your SELECT... JOIN.... WHERE...HAVING   
criteria.

Sum() is adding the values in each of those eleven distinct records together.

-- 
Stuart
On 20 Dec 2011 at 12:57, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf, Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters] 
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID) 
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date] 
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON 
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON 
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date) 
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER)) 
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER) 
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915) 
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
> 
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
> 
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
> 
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as done by Access. 
> 
> Any thoughts appreciated.
> 
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
> 
> ?
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> 
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Dec 20 16:44:15 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:44:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
In-Reply-To: <4EF10539.1591.1E9A0E24@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<4EF10539.1591.1E9A0E24@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D35BE@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

Good observation. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 3:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem

You must have eleven records that match your SELECT... JOIN.... WHERE...HAVING   
criteria.

Sum() is adding the values in each of those eleven distinct records together.

-- 
Stuart
On 20 Dec 2011 at 12:57, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf, Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters] 
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID) 
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date] 
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON 
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON 
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date) 
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER)) 
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER) 
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915) 
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
> 
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
> 
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
> 
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as done by Access. 
> 
> Any thoughts appreciated.
> 
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
> 
> ?
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> 
> 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 17:13:43 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:13:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <00a101ccbf6d$04a75f40$0df61dc0$@net>

Dunno...the Where clause was not being utilized properly for one thing.
This will run much more efficiently....
I couldn't really pin-point the problem though.

SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
       scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
       [Volume] * 1000      AS Mcf,
       Sum([Volume]) * 1000 AS McfTest
FROM   (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
         INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master
           ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID =
scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
        INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
                    INNER JOIN (GA_Header
                                INNER JOIN GA_Details
                                  ON GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER)
                      ON ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date =
GA_Header.Sample_Date )
                         AND ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER =
GA_Header.METER ))
          ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
       INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes
       ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
WHERE  (GA_Details.UNIT = "PCT" ) AND ([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID )
= 362915) AND
       ( scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate  = #12 / 1 / 2011 # )

GROUP  BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
          scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
          [Volume] * 1000
ORDER  BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
>
> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf,
> Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID
> = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date)
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER))
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname
> = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915)
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
>
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
>
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
>
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as
> done by Access.
>
> Any thoughts appreciated.
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 17:22:11 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:22:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
Message-ID: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>

The first one was that client who balked at my $80k estimate for the
shipping CRM system rewrite.originally done in VB, Access97.

Well, I checked back with the guy at the client company with whom I
collaborated with to create the add-on needed to support a new service.

It appears the Dot-net development has stopped, the system never got
released, and this is likely going to litigation.

The client has paid about $180,000 to date and has refused to pay any more
invoices from the consulting firm.

It has been 2 years in development.

Interestingly, part of the problem appears to be the fact that "this guy"
was not at all involved in the rewrite specifications.

Some other managers took over that task and it appears they were
flip-flopping on the specs and functionality.

So this is now a case of BOTH SIDE BEING RESPONSIBLE for the overrun.

However, NEITHER ONE sees it that way.

Does this sound familiar to anyone ?

 

See next post for the next "doozy" I've run into..



From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 18:12:45 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:12:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>

Got a short term (aka "stinker") contract for some Excel development work.
2 "layers" (i.e. commissions) of consulting firms involved....the first one
pretty "smarmy"...they initially lied about the legal engagement aspects to
rope me in.
This is so typical of these agency firms. I haven't met one over the past 5
years with any kind of respect for business ethics...not one.
The second is a huge global IT Consulting firm with ties to military
contracts. However, this contract is a follow-up to an original contract
from 3 years ago with a non-military client of theirs.
They had one of their contract employees build some VBA to create a
sophisticated Linear Programming model in Excel.
They were unable to get the original developers to commit to the enhancement
work, so they came to me. Those guys effectively "ducked out". I always
wondered why ?

I spent a few weeks getting to understand the system and it's flows....as
well as the nature of the processing.
There was no technical documentation.
I started into the 4500 lines of VBA code last week. Pure crap. No comments
or few comments or misleading comments in the code. Poor writing style, no
variables were named properly. There was no error trapping. Option Explicit
missing from many modules and forms.
Even worse: the original developer would take some crappy code from one
place, clone it in another, and make slight changes. Finally, the GUI design
of the forms and in-sheet controls was horrendous. For instance, instead of
coding a Title to a OpenFile (GetOpenFilename) Dialog, they would first
pop-up a Message Box with the title trying to indicate the nature of the
file that needed to be selected, and then call the function without a title.
This is just one example of the shoddy work done on this.
Now they want the system revamped, and "enhanced" with new features. Keep in
mind, this is a CRITICAL operations system for their client.
After a few days of working with it, because I didn't have intimate
knowledge of it, it kept blowing up on me.
In some cases it was mistakenly opening up the wrong workbook. Instead of
detecting that condition, it would go on it's
merry way....till it blew-up processing the wrong data.

So I write-up all of my findings in excruciating detail. What do I get in
response ?
Here it goes: "Well then Mark, we'll ALL have to put in some 'extra' time on
this if you've got to spend so much time cleaning up this code. We have a
fixed budget for this work."
By 'extra time', they of course meant "free" time.
What a load of B.S. So I asked the project manager about the "code reviews"
on the initial project and he didn't say a word. Also, I told him a few
weeks ago to get a second opinion. Once again, no response.

So I haven't said much lately since that missive of mine went out. But I
definitely am not going to work for free...no matter what. Because of their
poor oversight and use of a programmer who didn't know VBA, didn't know the
Excel Object Model, and couldn't design a GUI to save his soul, they've got
to take the "fall" on this. It's only right. If I have to, I'll get a lawyer
and make them look really stupid.

Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become
repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost without
words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. I
do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was
instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced wages.
So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting world.
What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.





From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Dec 20 18:20:59 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:20:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
In-Reply-To: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
Message-ID: <002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>

Yes!  Did I say Yes!

Customers tend to buy on who 'sounds' like experts, even though the customer
has no way to know who is really qualified.

I have a specific process I go through to avoid this.  It has two major
steps - Requirements and Development.

In the Requirements stage, the deliverable is a set of requirements that
could be used by anyone.  I will estimate the amount of time (money) this
will take, but I won't get pinned down.  I end up with a set of screenshots
that were developed by me and a user group over time.  During this phase, I
simply bill by the hour.  During this time, I am working as a consultant
just to create requirements.

>From the requirements, I quote a fixed amount to do the Development phase.
The customer is free to take the requirements and have them quoted by
someone else.  If they want to find a cheaper company, so be it - but it
hasn't happened yet.  At some point during Requirements, I'll start giving a
range of what the Development might cost, and I've learned to err on the
high side.

Another good practice is to do bite-sized pieces.  Whatever get chewed off
in the beginning will determine what they want to eat later on!

Maybe you could now 'ride in on the white horse?'

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another

The first one was that client who balked at my $80k estimate for the
shipping CRM system rewrite.originally done in VB, Access97.

Well, I checked back with the guy at the client company with whom I
collaborated with to create the add-on needed to support a new service.

It appears the Dot-net development has stopped, the system never got
released, and this is likely going to litigation.

The client has paid about $180,000 to date and has refused to pay any more
invoices from the consulting firm.

It has been 2 years in development.

Interestingly, part of the problem appears to be the fact that "this guy"
was not at all involved in the rewrite specifications.

Some other managers took over that task and it appears they were
flip-flopping on the specs and functionality.

So this is now a case of BOTH SIDE BEING RESPONSIBLE for the overrun.

However, NEITHER ONE sees it that way.

Does this sound familiar to anyone ?

 

See next post for the next "doozy" I've run into..

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 18:46:42 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:46:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
In-Reply-To: <002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>

Well Dan, for something as complex and integrated as a CRM, it's tough.
That's why there are so many CRM "Frameworks" out there.
In this particular case however, their requirements were unique....to the
shipping business.
NO OTS solutions were out there.

Doing this in house meant the risk of a complex requirements development and
data analysis...
a monumental task especially if you were not in the shipping business.
First you have to learn the shipping business, then marine law and marine
regulations and reporting requirements.
Holy, Moly...that was a HUGE MOUNTAIN to climb.
That's years of specific knowledge acquisition....and they hired a
consulting firm with ostensibly...
NO SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

Risky business indeed....and thus the upcoming litigation.




From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Tue Dec 20 18:55:19 2011
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:55:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
Message-ID: <06470800591B41B3B7468FEFA76D4E04@abpc>

I've met this frustrating and stupid contracting world too. I now renounce, but keep asking myself what's the benefits for companies receiving stupid contracting code? Sooner or later they have to advance to "15 years ago"...
Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 21. december 2011 01:13
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] And now the other...

Got a short term (aka "stinker") contract for some Excel development work.
2 "layers" (i.e. commissions) of consulting firms involved....the first one
pretty "smarmy"...they initially lied about the legal engagement aspects to
rope me in.
This is so typical of these agency firms. I haven't met one over the past 5
years with any kind of respect for business ethics...not one.
The second is a huge global IT Consulting firm with ties to military
contracts. However, this contract is a follow-up to an original contract
from 3 years ago with a non-military client of theirs.
They had one of their contract employees build some VBA to create a
sophisticated Linear Programming model in Excel.
They were unable to get the original developers to commit to the enhancement
work, so they came to me. Those guys effectively "ducked out". I always
wondered why ?

I spent a few weeks getting to understand the system and it's flows....as
well as the nature of the processing.
There was no technical documentation.
I started into the 4500 lines of VBA code last week. Pure crap. No comments
or few comments or misleading comments in the code. Poor writing style, no
variables were named properly. There was no error trapping. Option Explicit
missing from many modules and forms.
Even worse: the original developer would take some crappy code from one
place, clone it in another, and make slight changes. Finally, the GUI design
of the forms and in-sheet controls was horrendous. For instance, instead of
coding a Title to a OpenFile (GetOpenFilename) Dialog, they would first
pop-up a Message Box with the title trying to indicate the nature of the
file that needed to be selected, and then call the function without a title.
This is just one example of the shoddy work done on this.
Now they want the system revamped, and "enhanced" with new features. Keep in
mind, this is a CRITICAL operations system for their client.
After a few days of working with it, because I didn't have intimate
knowledge of it, it kept blowing up on me.
In some cases it was mistakenly opening up the wrong workbook. Instead of
detecting that condition, it would go on it's
merry way....till it blew-up processing the wrong data.

So I write-up all of my findings in excruciating detail. What do I get in
response ?
Here it goes: "Well then Mark, we'll ALL have to put in some 'extra' time on
this if you've got to spend so much time cleaning up this code. We have a
fixed budget for this work."
By 'extra time', they of course meant "free" time.
What a load of B.S. So I asked the project manager about the "code reviews"
on the initial project and he didn't say a word. Also, I told him a few
weeks ago to get a second opinion. Once again, no response.

So I haven't said much lately since that missive of mine went out. But I
definitely am not going to work for free...no matter what. Because of their
poor oversight and use of a programmer who didn't know VBA, didn't know the
Excel Object Model, and couldn't design a GUI to save his soul, they've got
to take the "fall" on this. It's only right. If I have to, I'll get a lawyer
and make them look really stupid.

Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become
repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost without
words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. I
do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was
instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced wages.
So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting world.
What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.



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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 20 19:05:19 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:05:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <06470800591B41B3B7468FEFA76D4E04@abpc>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
	<06470800591B41B3B7468FEFA76D4E04@abpc>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560616A@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>


This sort of thing is exactly what is hurting a local accounting software company very badly.  Their 'upgrade' to a new system has been botched pretty badly.

Many complaints and screams from the 1% of customers who are using the new software to date.  It is awful that even MYOB's own business partners are recommending that users stay on their legacy software or more to other competing platforms.  MYOB haven't handled this very well to date.

<<http://www.crn.com.au/News/284460,myob-a-lesson-in-how-to-bungle-a-beta.aspx>>

Is a good summary.  The forums are interesting reading if you have the time and interest in these sort of things.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond
Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011 11:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] And now the other...

I've met this frustrating and stupid contracting world too. I now renounce, but keep asking myself what's the benefits for companies receiving stupid contracting code? Sooner or later they have to advance to "15 years ago"...
Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 21. december 2011 01:13
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] And now the other...

Got a short term (aka "stinker") contract for some Excel development work.
2 "layers" (i.e. commissions) of consulting firms involved....the first one pretty "smarmy"...they initially lied about the legal engagement aspects to rope me in.
This is so typical of these agency firms. I haven't met one over the past 5 years with any kind of respect for business ethics...not one.
The second is a huge global IT Consulting firm with ties to military contracts. However, this contract is a follow-up to an original contract from 3 years ago with a non-military client of theirs.
They had one of their contract employees build some VBA to create a sophisticated Linear Programming model in Excel.
They were unable to get the original developers to commit to the enhancement work, so they came to me. Those guys effectively "ducked out". I always wondered why ?

I spent a few weeks getting to understand the system and it's flows....as well as the nature of the processing.
There was no technical documentation.
I started into the 4500 lines of VBA code last week. Pure crap. No comments or few comments or misleading comments in the code. Poor writing style, no variables were named properly. There was no error trapping. Option Explicit missing from many modules and forms.
Even worse: the original developer would take some crappy code from one place, clone it in another, and make slight changes. Finally, the GUI design of the forms and in-sheet controls was horrendous. For instance, instead of coding a Title to a OpenFile (GetOpenFilename) Dialog, they would first pop-up a Message Box with the title trying to indicate the nature of the file that needed to be selected, and then call the function without a title.
This is just one example of the shoddy work done on this.
Now they want the system revamped, and "enhanced" with new features. Keep in mind, this is a CRITICAL operations system for their client.
After a few days of working with it, because I didn't have intimate knowledge of it, it kept blowing up on me.
In some cases it was mistakenly opening up the wrong workbook. Instead of detecting that condition, it would go on it's merry way....till it blew-up processing the wrong data.

So I write-up all of my findings in excruciating detail. What do I get in response ?
Here it goes: "Well then Mark, we'll ALL have to put in some 'extra' time on this if you've got to spend so much time cleaning up this code. We have a fixed budget for this work."
By 'extra time', they of course meant "free" time.
What a load of B.S. So I asked the project manager about the "code reviews"
on the initial project and he didn't say a word. Also, I told him a few weeks ago to get a second opinion. Once again, no response.

So I haven't said much lately since that missive of mine went out. But I definitely am not going to work for free...no matter what. Because of their poor oversight and use of a programmer who didn't know VBA, didn't know the Excel Object Model, and couldn't design a GUI to save his soul, they've got to take the "fall" on this. It's only right. If I have to, I'll get a lawyer and make them look really stupid.

Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost without words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. I do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced wages.
So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting world.
What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.



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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 19:09:43 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:09:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
Message-ID: <0707F689F69B490FA7954485A33D30B1@SusanHarkins>

I recently was asked to consult, albeit just a quick opinion, on a similar 
project. In truth, things didn't look particularly bad, but I didn't spend 
much time reviewing the code, etc. A developer, via a small consulting firm, 
WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY underbid and then stopped working when he tired of 
the project. The developer claimed the client was guilty of scope creep --  
the guy didn't know whether he was or not. There was no formal spec sheet, 
if the guy was honest with me about it.

The budget for the project's been spent and it isn't done. The poor guy is 
stuck -- boss is mad.

At some point in the conversation, sitting in his office, it became apparent 
to me that he thought I was going to finish it for free. Um... no, and why 
would I? I just said, "I don't care whether you pay me or whether the 
consulting firm you originally hired pays me." FWIW, I don't work for that 
firm, I was just doing someone a quick favor.

I'm sitting across from the client and he says, "Developers aren't looking 
too good to me right now." So not my problem.

I finally told him he needed to take it up with the consulting firm and ask 
for a refund or for someone to complete the project. I doubt he got either.

Susan H.


>
> Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become
> repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost 
> without
> words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. 
> I
> do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
> But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was
> instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced 
> wages.
> So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting 
> world.
> What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.



From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Dec 20 20:06:55 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:06:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
In-Reply-To: <00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
Message-ID: <002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>

Sounds like this marine shipping company jumped into a leaky boat and headed
of in the wrong direction!  ;-)

They should have known better than that.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another

Well Dan, for something as complex and integrated as a CRM, it's tough.
That's why there are so many CRM "Frameworks" out there.
In this particular case however, their requirements were unique....to the
shipping business.
NO OTS solutions were out there.

Doing this in house meant the risk of a complex requirements development and
data analysis...
a monumental task especially if you were not in the shipping business.
First you have to learn the shipping business, then marine law and marine
regulations and reporting requirements.
Holy, Moly...that was a HUGE MOUNTAIN to climb.
That's years of specific knowledge acquisition....and they hired a
consulting firm with ostensibly...
NO SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

Risky business indeed....and thus the upcoming litigation.


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 21:08:01 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:08:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...WOW SUSAN
In-Reply-To: <0707F689F69B490FA7954485A33D30B1@SusanHarkins>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
	<0707F689F69B490FA7954485A33D30B1@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <000101ccbf8d$c0382260$40a86720$@net>

Wow Susan, WHAT A STORY ! The "attitudes" were just so....TELLING.





From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 21:25:40 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:25:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>

Re: "wrong direction"

Your are right, but IT GETS EVEN BETTER :
After I installed the really complex and fully integrated with their CRM
database Access add-on that provided them with another $300k in services fee
income, they later wanted to offer me "Fulltime employment".
This was AFTER I made the $80k Access proposal which they rejected.
(Remember, they are currently sitting at $180k in dev expenses and NO SYSTEM
has been delivered)

Well, the BIG PROBLEM was I was still bound to an AGENCY non-compete
agreement.
The agency decided that they were a "big part" of this (they did NOTHING)
and should get a whopping $30k one-time fee for that employment contract.
That put me way under $100k as a salary for which I felt
entitled...especially given the 60 mile roundtrip commute I was facing daily
if I were to commit to them.

So I rejected the offer; and then they immediately contracted with that
consulting company....

And ..."The Rest Is History" as they say.

Incredible story, no ?

Susan, something to publish perhaps ?




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 03:40:25 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 04:40:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gwwH0xPh16s84MaiBn97B3bFt5qz3yQYOKEYx-J2s7ug@mail.gmail.com>

I feel your pain, but at the same time I predicted this outcome over 10
years ago. We developers have become the MayTag repair-persons of this
century. We wait for something to fix, and in the meantime do next to
nothing

Arthur


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec 21 04:43:01 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:43:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Book
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560637C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Arthur,

Got my copy of the book today that you recommended.  Just want to say thanks. It is great and will be a wonderful resource for both myself and my boys as they grow up. Most excellent indeed.

Alos a good time to say a big thank you and merrry xmas to everyone on this list. Once again, you have been an invaluable source of help and support over the past year.  I have learnt more from you guys and girls than any course could offer.  You are an amazing and always educational resource.  So Cheers!

:)
Darryl.






From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 05:49:46 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:49:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Book
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560637C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560637C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iwMx72pSp20A0w7A2J6ExZ3cOemQf-jBa8PXjyawb23A@mail.gmail.com>

I'm glad to hear that you like the book.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> Got my copy of the book today that you recommended.  Just want to say
> thanks. It is great and will be a wonderful resource for both myself and my
> boys as they grow up. Most excellent indeed.
>
> --
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 07:54:04 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:54:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
Message-ID: <6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>

>
> Well, the BIG PROBLEM was I was still bound to an AGENCY non-compete
> agreement.
> The agency decided that they were a "big part" of this (they did NOTHING)
> and should get a whopping $30k one-time fee for that employment contract.
> That put me way under $100k as a salary for which I felt
> entitled...especially given the 60 mile roundtrip commute I was facing 
> daily
> if I were to commit to them.

========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that 
restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how long were 
you there?


> So I rejected the offer; and then they immediately contracted with that
> consulting company....
>
> And ..."The Rest Is History" as they say.
>
> Incredible story, no ?
>
> Susan, something to publish perhaps ?

========10 developers tell their favorite Scrooge stories :)

Susan H. 



From guss at beechnutconsulting.com  Wed Dec 21 11:29:10 2011
From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:29:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
Message-ID: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>

I have created a folder where I scan documents into searchable pdf files.  I
have windows (7 Ultimate) indexing setup to index on the contents, and now I
want to write a query that uses the Windows Index file as the recordsource.
I am hoping to set up this as perhaps a linked table, and build a query that
looks something like:

 

Select filename, path FROM WindowsIndexFile where IndexedContent =
mysearchstring1 OR IndexedContent = mysearchstring2; where I am totally
guessing what the fields are.

 

My computer tells me that the index is stored on C:\Program Data\Windows,
but there are a lot of folders under that, and I have no clue about where to
look or what the file is or how to access it.

 

Any suggestions appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Sincerely yours,

 

Guss Ginsburg

Beechnut Consulting Services

 



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 12:12:00 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:12:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP stored procedure
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>

A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran from
SSMS.


If either of these are ran from SSMS:

EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''


EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL

The data is returned as expected.


If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate window, we
get different results.

The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is being
calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.

Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned rows)
will be different.

I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a resultset to
Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.

Does anyone have any ideas?

TIA,
David


From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 12:35:43 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:35:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>

You're very sharp Susan....as you picked-out a very powerful weapon used by
the agencies.
It was a onerous 1 year agreement. The count-down BEGINS the day after no
longer do any work for that client.
Since the client used this agency for other personnel fill-ins as well, they
did not want to chance a lawsuit over breaking this agreement.
The agencies get away with this because the downside EFFECTS of such an
agreement are never made known. It's the agency's "big secret". That's why
this is such a great story of CAUSE and EFFECT. Here is a clear cut case of
the clause causing harm to the client. You never hear or read about the
stories related to this, do you ? I can see it now....
"Greedy Agency Harms Own Client Over Onerous Non-compete Agreement"



> ========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that
> restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how long
> were you there?
>
>
> Susan H.




From df.waters at comcast.net  Wed Dec 21 12:43:48 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:43:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
Message-ID: <01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>

What I'm familiar with is an agreement where the client can't hire a temp
until at least x days have passed (typically 90).  If they hire a temp after
that and before the contract expires, the agency then gets a prorated
'kickback' to cover their lost income.  

But I've never heard of a restriction After the original working time
expires.  This sounds onerous enough to wonder if it's legal.  Or perhaps
legal in one state but not in another.  Sounds like a 'job-killer'.
Seriously, call your congressman to get this fixed.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"

You're very sharp Susan....as you picked-out a very powerful weapon used by
the agencies.
It was a onerous 1 year agreement. The count-down BEGINS the day after no
longer do any work for that client.
Since the client used this agency for other personnel fill-ins as well, they
did not want to chance a lawsuit over breaking this agreement.
The agencies get away with this because the downside EFFECTS of such an
agreement are never made known. It's the agency's "big secret". That's why
this is such a great story of CAUSE and EFFECT. Here is a clear cut case of
the clause causing harm to the client. You never hear or read about the
stories related to this, do you ? I can see it now....
"Greedy Agency Harms Own Client Over Onerous Non-compete Agreement"



> ========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that 
> restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how 
> long were you there?
>
>
> Susan H.


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 12:46:23 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:46:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
In-Reply-To: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>
References: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <011a01ccc010$d6afb1b0$840f1510$@net>

I don't think it's possible Gus. I don't even think MSFT added an API to
read the index.
Indeed, they made changes to this in Windows 7.
I only saw this in Technet:
The index files have the following protection by default:
    Access Control Lists (ACLs) that only allow the BUILTIN\Administrators
and NT Authority\System users access to the index.
    Index files are lightly obfuscated.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:29 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
>
> I have created a folder where I scan documents into searchable pdf
> files.  I
> have windows (7 Ultimate) indexing setup to index on the contents, and
> now I
> want to write a query that uses the Windows Index file as the
> recordsource.
> I am hoping to set up this as perhaps a linked table, and build a query
> that
> looks something like:
>
>
>
> Select filename, path FROM WindowsIndexFile where IndexedContent =
> mysearchstring1 OR IndexedContent = mysearchstring2; where I am totally
> guessing what the fields are.
>
>
>
> My computer tells me that the index is stored on C:\Program
> Data\Windows,
> but there are a lot of folders under that, and I have no clue about
> where to
> look or what the file is or how to access it.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
>
>
> Guss Ginsburg
>
> Beechnut Consulting Services
>
>
>
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Wed Dec 21 13:01:52 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:01:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
In-Reply-To: <011a01ccc010$d6afb1b0$840f1510$@net>
References: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>
	<011a01ccc010$d6afb1b0$840f1510$@net>
Message-ID: <01b301ccc013$0035cfe0$00a16fa0$@comcast.net>

Hi Guss,

You can do a lot with FileSystemObject (Microsoft Scripting Runtime).

This is an example of changing the read only property of files in a folder:

'-------------------

    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim fol As Folder
    Dim fil As File
    Dim filList As Object
    Dim fProperty As Object
    
    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set fol = fso.GetFolder(stgFolderPath)
    Set filList = f.Files
    For Each fil In fc
        '-- Set file as read-only
        stgFilePath = stgFolderPath & "\" & f1.Name
        Set fProperties = fso.GetFile(stgFilePath)
        If blnReadOnly = True Then
            fProperties.Attributes = 1
        Else
            fProperties.Attributes = 0
        End If
    Next

'------------------

There is much more you can do with the methods and properties from
FileSystemObject.

HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index

I don't think it's possible Gus. I don't even think MSFT added an API to
read the index.
Indeed, they made changes to this in Windows 7.
I only saw this in Technet:
The index files have the following protection by default:
    Access Control Lists (ACLs) that only allow the BUILTIN\Administrators
and NT Authority\System users access to the index.
    Index files are lightly obfuscated.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:29 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
>
> I have created a folder where I scan documents into searchable pdf 
> files.  I have windows (7 Ultimate) indexing setup to index on the 
> contents, and now I want to write a query that uses the Windows Index 
> file as the recordsource.
> I am hoping to set up this as perhaps a linked table, and build a 
> query that looks something like:
>
>
>
> Select filename, path FROM WindowsIndexFile where IndexedContent =
> mysearchstring1 OR IndexedContent = mysearchstring2; where I am totally
> guessing what the fields are.
>
>
>
> My computer tells me that the index is stored on C:\Program
> Data\Windows,
> but there are a lot of folders under that, and I have no clue about
> where to
> look or what the file is or how to access it.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
>
>
> Guss Ginsburg
>
> Beechnut Consulting Services
>
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 13:23:57 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:23:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16EA26479A244A2AA692EEC353B4D3D6@SusanHarkins>

Did you know about this clause when you signed up?

Susan H.
> It was a onerous 1 year agreement. The count-down BEGINS the day after no
> longer do any work for that client.
> Since the client used this agency for other personnel fill-ins as well, 
> they
> did not want to chance a lawsuit over breaking this agreement.
> The agencies get away with this because the downside EFFECTS of such an
> agreement are never made known. It's the agency's "big secret". That's why
> this is such a great story of CAUSE and EFFECT. Here is a clear cut case 
> of
> the clause causing harm to the client. You never hear or read about the
> stories related to this, do you ? I can see it now....
> "Greedy Agency Harms Own Client Over Onerous Non-compete Agreement"
>
>
>
>> ========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that
>> restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how
>> long were you there?
>>
>>
>> Susan H.
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 13:37:58 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:37:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <16EA26479A244A2AA692EEC353B4D3D6@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<16EA26479A244A2AA692EEC353B4D3D6@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <013c01ccc018$0b995cd0$22cc1670$@net>

You bet. No leverage to negotiate...natch.
I later discovered thru an online forum that Robert Half is one of the most
hated and complained about agencies in the country.

>
> Did you know about this clause when you signed up?
>
> Susan H.




From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 13:43:41 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:43:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>

Exactly Dan. Had it gone to a lawsuit, it would have been your typical
"pissing match" by lawyers.
No one would win....but they would be enriched in the process.
I have heard of these non-compete cases going on for literally decades...I'm
not kidding.
I had a friend who did exactly that when she set-up her own Orthodontal
office near her old boss.
Finally settled after 20 years.

Today everyone is blaming America's woes on capitalism. That's entirely
BOGUS.
Capitalism is about FREE MARKETS. However, today's laws and lawyers prevent
capitalism to work as it was originally intended to work. We are in a
quasi-socialistic environment where the "big boys" and businessmen with
political influence rule our world.


> But I've never heard of a restriction After the original working time
> expires.  This sounds onerous enough to wonder if it's legal.  Or
> perhaps legal in one state but not in another.  Sounds like a
'job-killer'.
> Seriously, call your congressman to get this fixed.
>
> Dan




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 13:55:44 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:55:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
Message-ID: <C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>

My dad sold a small business in the early 80's. The buyer tried to force a 
non-compete clause that was absolutely ridiculous. My dad would've had to 
move to work! His lawyer told the buyer no way... they haggled for a long 
time, but eventually left it out. I guess you can't blame people for trying, 
we just have to know when to say no.

Susan H.



> Exactly Dan. Had it gone to a lawsuit, it would have been your typical
> "pissing match" by lawyers.
> No one would win....but they would be enriched in the process.
> I have heard of these non-compete cases going on for literally 
> decades...I'm
> not kidding.
> I had a friend who did exactly that when she set-up her own Orthodontal
> office near her old boss.
> Finally settled after 20 years.



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 14:37:45 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:37:45 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [ACCESS-L] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP
	stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
References: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>

I created a new mdb and it returns correctly, as expected via a pass
through query.

I'm going to try a box with an Access version <2007 to test the ADP.



On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Duane Hookom <duanehookom at hotmail.com>wrote:

> How does it look if you try this in a Pass-Through query?
>
> Duane Hookom
> MS Access MVP
>
>
> > From: davidmcafee at GMAIL.COM
> >
> > A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran
> from
> > SSMS.
> >
> >
> > If either of these are ran from SSMS:
> >
> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''
> >
> >
> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL
> >
> > The data is returned as expected.
> >
> >
> > If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate window,
> we
> > get different results.
> >
> > The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is being
> > calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.
> >
> > Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned
> rows)
> > will be different.
> >
> > I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a resultset
> to
> > Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.
> >
> > Does anyone have any ideas?
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 14:58:27 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:58:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [ACCESS-L] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP
	stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
	<CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWa1u7eR18nSk0avM52ncwjLPH3cdy_inQy60pKpJQYtQg@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I tested the ADP on a box with Access 2002.
It returned the same, incorrect row count and values.

I tried running the stored procedure from a different ADP and it also
returns incorrect records.

So far the only way to get the correct results besides running it directly
in SSMS is to run it from an mdb using a pass through query.

What occurs differently between running a pass through vs running the sproc
directly from the Access database window?

David

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:

> I created a new mdb and it returns correctly, as expected via a pass
> through query.
>
> I'm going to try a box with an Access version <2007 to test the ADP.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Duane Hookom <duanehookom at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> How does it look if you try this in a Pass-Through query?
>>
>> Duane Hookom
>> MS Access MVP
>>
>>
>> > From: davidmcafee at GMAIL.COM
>> >
>> > A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran
>> from
>> > SSMS.
>> >
>> >
>> > If either of these are ran from SSMS:
>> >
>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''
>> >
>> >
>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL
>> >
>> > The data is returned as expected.
>> >
>> >
>> > If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate
>> window, we
>> > get different results.
>> >
>> > The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is
>> being
>> > calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.
>> >
>> > Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned
>> rows)
>> > will be different.
>> >
>> > I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a
>> resultset to
>> > Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have any ideas?
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 15:06:15 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:06:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>

True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
15 years ago ? No problem.

> we just have to know when to say no.
>
> Susan H.




From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 15:44:35 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:44:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [ACCESS-L] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP
	stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWa1u7eR18nSk0avM52ncwjLPH3cdy_inQy60pKpJQYtQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
	<CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWa1u7eR18nSk0avM52ncwjLPH3cdy_inQy60pKpJQYtQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWaYC8=N2czUbMqRwhLap7KndqGOgLicJRYBqTGyu=R2wg@mail.gmail.com>

OK, we ran a Trace on the different ways we are running the sproc.

When it is called from the ADP, the sproc is called via an RPC, not
directly as a passthrough query (as I've assumed it was called).

>From the ADP, if I run this:

Private Sub Command8_Click()
Dim rs As Recordset
Set rs = CurrentProject.Connection.Execute("EXEC RRMS.dbo.stpR6Payouts
'1/1/2011','11/30/2011',null")
Debug.Print rs.RecordCount

I get the correct count!

If I put an break point on the last line above and run this from the
immediate window:
rs.MoveFirst
? rs![CustName]
STAR FORD
? rs![IndividualPayCalc]
 5368

I get the correct amount (that 5368 is never correct when running the sproc
from the immediate window in the ADP).

So this tells me the rendering in the ADP is having issues, correct?

This is scary. How many other things have I trusted to be correct and
weren't?

:/

Any ideas?

David


On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:58 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:

> OK, I tested the ADP on a box with Access 2002.
> It returned the same, incorrect row count and values.
>
> I tried running the stored procedure from a different ADP and it also
> returns incorrect records.
>
> So far the only way to get the correct results besides running it directly
> in SSMS is to run it from an mdb using a pass through query.
>
> What occurs differently between running a pass through vs running the
> sproc directly from the Access database window?
>
> David
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I created a new mdb and it returns correctly, as expected via a pass
>> through query.
>>
>> I'm going to try a box with an Access version <2007 to test the ADP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Duane Hookom <duanehookom at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> How does it look if you try this in a Pass-Through query?
>>>
>>> Duane Hookom
>>> MS Access MVP
>>>
>>>
>>> > From: davidmcafee at GMAIL.COM
>>> >
>>> > A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran
>>> from
>>> > SSMS.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > If either of these are ran from SSMS:
>>> >
>>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL
>>> >
>>> > The data is returned as expected.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate
>>> window, we
>>> > get different results.
>>> >
>>> > The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is
>>> being
>>> > calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.
>>> >
>>> > Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned
>>> rows)
>>> > will be different.
>>> >
>>> > I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a
>>> resultset to
>>> > Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.
>>> >
>>> > Does anyone have any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> The ACCESS-L list is hosted on a Windows(R) 2003 Server running L-Soft
>>> international's LISTSERV(R) software.  For subscription/signoff info
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>>>
>>
>>
>


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 18:09:51 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:09:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net><013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net><C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
Message-ID: <68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>

Yeah, I understand. I've never turned down work. 

Susan H. 


> True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
> 15 years ago ? No problem.
> 
>> we just have to know when to say no.
>>
>> Susan H.



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 18:26:12 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:26:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
	<68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't mean to start a war here, Susan, but I venture to suggest that you
ought to learn how to fire clients. Clues include:

a) they don't pay within 30 days;
b) they don't respond to emails within 24 hours.

If either or both of these occur, move on, my lovely lady; call it a lesson
learned and move on! But before doing so, document this somewhere findable
(FaceBook etc.) to warn us all of dealing with this scumfork client. We
have your six, Susan!

Love and kisses and Merry Christmas, and know that I meant what I said in
the second-previous sentence. You need reinforcements, you got 'em. My arms
and reach are long, and extend way past this group. Snap your fingers, and
something might happen.

A.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I understand. I've never turned down work.
> Susan H.
>
>  True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
>> 15 years ago ? No problem.
>>
>>  we just have to know when to say no.
>>>
>>> Susan H.
>>>
>>
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>



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that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 18:47:24 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:47:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net><013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net><C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins><002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net><68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BFDE783DEED04D58B32314ABF531831D@SusanHarkins>

I would if I needed to -- don't need to. I haven't had a bad client in a 
long, long time, thank you Jesus. :) What I meant was, if the clients I have 
need something, I find a way to get it to them. That's because they pay 
within 30 days and always respond quickly. ;)

Susan H.


>I don't mean to start a war here, Susan, but I venture to suggest that you
> ought to learn how to fire clients. Clues include:
>
> a) they don't pay within 30 days;
> b) they don't respond to emails within 24 hours.
>
> If either or both of these occur, move on, my lovely lady; call it a 
> lesson
> learned and move on! But before doing so, document this somewhere findable
> (FaceBook etc.) to warn us all of dealing with this scumfork client. We
> have your six, Susan!
>
> Love and kisses and Merry Christmas, and know that I meant what I said in
> the second-previous sentence. You need reinforcements, you got 'em. My 
> arms
> and reach are long, and extend way past this group. Snap your fingers, and
> something might happen.
>



From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 22:13:04 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:13:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
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Message-ID: <002401ccc060$00acf4b0$0206de10$@net>

Wow Art, that is prophetic as a measure of a client.
And I totally agree. Their payment practices speak volumes for their
commitment and integrity.
Fire a client ? ABSOLUTELY. In fact, if you go to any Personal Injury Law
firm, they spend an enormous amount of time doing what ? SIZING UP THEIR
POTENTIAL CLIENTS. If they don't like em, they say good bye IMMEDIATELY.
Trust me, I have a good friend in that business.

I had a client from hell. Indian guy...IT director.
Fired his employee....then a lawsuit ensued (OF COURSE !!).
I got hired to pick up that work. It was crap (heard this before ?).
I worked like a madman to learn their business, their operations,
etc....there was no documentation (heard this before ?)
The Access database was in need of a total rewrite. No time for that (heard
this before ?)

So I kept on working....without getting paid.
Then they fired me, just when I had finished it all.
Asked for their really expensive laptop back.
I REFUSED to give it back without being paid.

Agency stepped in....called for a demo.
I demoed, they were happy, I got paid...on-the-spot, in full.

I was contacted to do some enhancements, they didn't like my price or time
estimates...
so I never heard from them again.




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 22:26:35 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:26:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4ALoP107CXrP2srRixH13j9XAC=fPf8gvytzQLsiXtwg@mail.gmail.com>

@Art... spot on. The longer one stays associated with a bad gig the less
self respect one retains.

If you stay on past the point where you can feel yourself beginning to
resent this client or employer you might start to show a side of yourself
which you wouldn't in a more healthy environment.

It usually pays to be diplomatic in how you "fire" a client.Try not to give
them a reason to blackball you and offer to do knowledge tranfer ... even
if you despise them.

When it comes to improving your situation SEEK AND YOU SHALL FIND!!!
On Dec 21, 2011 4:07 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
> 15 years ago ? No problem.
>
> > we just have to know when to say no.
> >
> > Susan H.
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 22:34:31 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:34:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <002401ccc060$00acf4b0$0206de10$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
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	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
	<68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
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	<002401ccc060$00acf4b0$0206de10$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6miPMSW+poSnDyxm-5XyZkh7QBL7hkENQyJEwQvSqCoQ@mail.gmail.com>

When it comes to love you never forget your first. But in the working world
you never forget your worst, eh Mark?
On Dec 21, 2011 11:14 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Wow Art, that is prophetic as a measure of a client.
> And I totally agree. Their payment practices speak volumes for their
> commitment and integrity.
> Fire a client ? ABSOLUTELY. In fact, if you go to any Personal Injury Law
> firm, they spend an enormous amount of time doing what ? SIZING UP THEIR
> POTENTIAL CLIENTS. If they don't like em, they say good bye IMMEDIATELY.
> Trust me, I have a good friend in that business.
>
> I had a client from hell. Indian guy...IT director.
> Fired his employee....then a lawsuit ensued (OF COURSE !!).
> I got hired to pick up that work. It was crap (heard this before ?).
> I worked like a madman to learn their business, their operations,
> etc....there was no documentation (heard this before ?)
> The Access database was in need of a total rewrite. No time for that (heard
> this before ?)
>
> So I kept on working....without getting paid.
> Then they fired me, just when I had finished it all.
> Asked for their really expensive laptop back.
> I REFUSED to give it back without being paid.
>
> Agency stepped in....called for a demo.
> I demoed, they were happy, I got paid...on-the-spot, in full.
>
> I was contacted to do some enhancements, they didn't like my price or time
> estimates...
> so I never heard from them again.
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Dec 22 12:35:38 2011
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:35:38 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
Message-ID: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>


Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1

Pat     Date       Result
A1     01-01-11    15
A1     10-10-11     7
A1     11-11-11     6

When i use the query: 

SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;

Then is stil have these three records because of the Result

What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what value there is for result

Pat     LastDate         Result
A1     11-11-11           6


I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
Is has to been done with a subquery.

Who can help me?

Thanks

Pedro


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 06:05:26 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:05:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jdj66N4wOGrtPDNg2=Amm9fF9aGBDzHaTZW5Z9=++d4A@mail.gmail.com>

I think what you want is this:

SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;

HTH,
Arthur

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:

>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat     Date       Result
> A1     01-01-11    15
> A1     10-10-11     7
> A1     11-11-11     6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> value there is for result
>
> Pat     LastDate         Result
> A1     11-11-11           6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 08:03:57 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:03:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pKyxRbCn-0jUcbCFXHTcsEBjwa-wBaCFcU3ATbcgP1grQ@mail.gmail.com>

Remove the tbl1.Result from the Group By so you only group by Pat.

GK

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM,  <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat ? ? Date ? ? ? Result
> A1 ? ? 01-01-11 ? ?15
> A1 ? ? 10-10-11 ? ? 7
> A1 ? ? 11-11-11 ? ? 6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what value there is for result
>
> Pat ? ? LastDate ? ? ? ? Result
> A1 ? ? 11-11-11 ? ? ? ? ? 6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com



From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 08:46:51 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:46:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V6miPMSW+poSnDyxm-5XyZkh7QBL7hkENQyJEwQvSqCoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
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	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
	<68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401ccc060$00acf4b0$0206de10$@net>
	<CAGuQ9V6miPMSW+poSnDyxm-5XyZkh7QBL7hkENQyJEwQvSqCoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007801ccc0b8$8b0e2fe0$a12a8fa0$@net>

> When it comes to love you never forget your first. But in the working
> world you never forget your worst, eh Mark?

I just love that quip Bill.




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 11:02:06 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:02:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5x+PH0u2K25quE7BLy2H+q-kt1hrXdJP8AAiNuOwOj_g@mail.gmail.com>

Ill go out on a limb and suppose that you really meant the Max date since
the sample data was in ascending date order.

Select tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result from Tbl1 where tbl1.date =(Select
Max(t2.Date) From Tbl1 as t2 Where t2.Pat = Tbl1.Pat)

That is "air code" I have not tested it.
On Dec 22, 2011 6:39 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:

>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat     Date       Result
> A1     01-01-11    15
> A1     10-10-11     7
> A1     11-11-11     6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> value there is for result
>
> Pat     LastDate         Result
> A1     11-11-11           6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 11:02:31 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:02:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>

Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
the original developer would use the Format function to round a large series
of individual values,
 and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
Ex: .55+.55=1.1
His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
Ex: .6+.6=1.2
In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !

And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
unit.

Wowzer indeed.





From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 11:13:33 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:13:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6yVM2jAeqL2d5CNS-ixKz-TvspQhNgHNmNCJtmzZgB5A@mail.gmail.com>

I am sure that they are losing so much money that most of their thinking
investors and auditors have abandoned and the fools who remain don't know
the difference between a balance sheet that adds up and one that doesn't.
On Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large
> series
> of individual values,
>  and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
> unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 11:17:27 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:17:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pKyxRbCn-0jUcbCFXHTcsEBjwa-wBaCFcU3ATbcgP1grQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<CAJ2R_pKyxRbCn-0jUcbCFXHTcsEBjwa-wBaCFcU3ATbcgP1grQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWbW8zDmgnpuTsww5FyfbqAcJ4a=5MeqE8yY18-1k=gA4w@mail.gmail.com>

SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
INNER JOIN (SELECT Max(tbl1.Date) AS MaxDate FROM tbl1) B
ON tbl1.Date = B.MaxDate
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;


The only thing to warn you about Pedro is if you have more than one record
with the same last date.

For instance.

A1 01/01/11 6
B1 01/01/11 5


Also "Date" is a bad name for a field name as it is a reserved word.

HTH
David McAfee


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 22 11:31:48 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:31:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
Message-ID: <4EF36984.3020502@colbyconsulting.com>

BACKUP the original!!!  You need to be able to prove that the old sucked and the new... sucks 
less... (you can only fix what you find).

Then you need to start a document of each thing like this that you find.  It will provide a huge 
evidence base for when you present the case for "your application sucks and this is why it takes so 
long to get it working".

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/22/2011 12:02 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large series
> of individual values,
>   and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
> unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.
>
>
>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 22 12:26:48 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:26:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <4EF36984.3020502@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net><000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
	<4EF36984.3020502@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EF37668.3010809@torchlake.com>

ABSOLUTELY!!!  John is right on!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/22/2011 12:31 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> BACKUP the original!!!  You need to be able to prove that the old 
> sucked and the new... sucks less... (you can only fix what you find).
>
> Then you need to start a document of each thing like this that you 
> find.  It will provide a huge evidence base for when you present the 
> case for "your application sucks and this is why it takes so long to 
> get it working".
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/22/2011 12:02 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
>> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large 
>> series
>> of individual values,
>>   and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
>> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
>> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
>> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
>> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
>> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>>
>> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main 
>> processing
>> unit.
>>
>> Wowzer indeed.
>>
>>
>>
>


From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Thu Dec 22 14:20:45 2011
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:20:45 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jdj66N4wOGrtPDNg2=Amm9fF9aGBDzHaTZW5Z9=++d4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<CAEPJO1jdj66N4wOGrtPDNg2=Amm9fF9aGBDzHaTZW5Z9=++d4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D2E51B0BCC74E53ACAC61349B56E280@stevelaptop>

Agreed.  Assuming you mean the most recent date, i.e. Max rather than Last, 
then Arthur's suggestion is how I would do it.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Last Date Query

I think what you want is this:

SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;

HTH,
Arthur

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:

>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat     Date       Result
> A1     01-01-11    15
> A1     10-10-11     7
> A1     11-11-11     6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> value there is for result
>
> Pat     LastDate         Result
> A1     11-11-11           6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec 22 14:42:41 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 06:42:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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It depends on the situation.

If you are rounding prices to the nearest 10c, accountants don't like accounts that show  :

Item 1  0.60
Item 2  0.60
============
Total   1.10

If you want the total to equal the sum of all of the line items, you need to round each item 
(using either ROUND() or FORMAT(). and sum the rounded result.   That is standard 
practice in accounting.

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Dec 2011 at 12:02, Mark Simms wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large series
> of individual values,
>  and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
> 
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
> unit.
> 
> Wowzer indeed.
> 
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 22 14:54:08 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:54:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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It is also standard practice to use a datatype appropriate for currency.  That is why currency data 
types exist.  It is also standard practice in banking to round 1/2 of the numbers up and the other down.

But that is a discussion for another day.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/22/2011 3:42 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> It depends on the situation.
>
> If you are rounding prices to the nearest 10c, accountants don't like accounts that show  :
>
> Item 1  0.60
> Item 2  0.60
> ============
> Total   1.10
>
> If you want the total to equal the sum of all of the line items, you need to round each item
> (using either ROUND() or FORMAT(). and sum the rounded result.   That is standard
> practice in accounting.
>



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec 22 15:39:28 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 07:39:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <4EF398F0.4030401@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>,
	<4EF39641.28819.28A0B9E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4EF398F0.4030401@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EF3A390.30457.28D4B5BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

How do you do that in Excel?   

ALL numbers in  Excel are stored as Doubles, you can only change the display - not the 
storage format.

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Dec 2011 at 15:54, jwcolby wrote:

> It is also standard practice to use a datatype appropriate for currency.  That is why currency data 
> types exist. 



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 15:49:26 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:49:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
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Since now two posts have been made since I offered my idea that what was
really wanted was Max.... and neither commented one way or another on my
query .... what was incorrect about how I did it?
On Dec 22, 2011 3:22 PM, "Steve Schapel" <steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz>
wrote:

> Agreed.  Assuming you mean the most recent date, i.e. Max rather than
> Last, then Arthur's suggestion is how I would do it.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Last Date Query
>
> I think what you want is this:
>
> SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;
>
> HTH,
> Arthur
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
>
>
>> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>>
>> Pat     Date       Result
>> A1     01-01-11    15
>> A1     10-10-11     7
>> A1     11-11-11     6
>>
>> When i use the query:
>>
>> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
>> FROM tbl1
>> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>>
>> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>>
>> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
>> value there is for result
>>
>> Pat     LastDate         Result
>> A1     11-11-11           6
>>
>>
>> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
>> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>>
>> Who can help me?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Pedro
>> --
>>
>
> --
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 16:02:59 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 14:02:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
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Nothing, I think that would work, and would also return more than one
record as my suggestion would, if there were indeed more than one record on
that max date.

D

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:49 PM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> Since now two posts have been made since I offered my idea that what was
> really wanted was Max.... and neither commented one way or another on my
> query .... what was incorrect about how I did it?
> On Dec 22, 2011 3:22 PM, "Steve Schapel" <
> steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz>
> wrote:
>
> > Agreed.  Assuming you mean the most recent date, i.e. Max rather than
> > Last, then Arthur's suggestion is how I would do it.
> >
> > Regards
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:05 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Last Date Query
> >
> > I think what you want is this:
> >
> > SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> > FROM tbl1
> > ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;
> >
> > HTH,
> > Arthur
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
> >>
> >> Pat     Date       Result
> >> A1     01-01-11    15
> >> A1     10-10-11     7
> >> A1     11-11-11     6
> >>
> >> When i use the query:
> >>
> >> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> >> FROM tbl1
> >> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
> >>
> >> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
> >>
> >> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> >> value there is for result
> >>
> >> Pat     LastDate         Result
> >> A1     11-11-11           6
> >>
> >>
> >> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> >> Is has to been done with a subquery.
> >>
> >> Who can help me?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Pedro
> >> --
> >>
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 16:28:21 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:28:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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In my last role I saw a similar issue when one of the developers was trying to group data which contained decimals into the nearest whole number (up or down) to determine the band.  He was using the INT function which he didn't understand at all (from what I can tell).

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).  Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error.

That said, I am not perfect with these things either and have made plenty of similar errors over the years.  Guess it shows the importance of getting everything tested by a whole group of different (and skilled) folks.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 4:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

I am sure that they are losing so much money that most of their thinking investors and auditors have abandoned and the fools who remain don't know the difference between a balance sheet that adds up and one that doesn't.
On Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers, 
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large 
> series of individual values,  and then total-up the rounded results 
> instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main 
> processing unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.
>
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 16:59:47 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:59:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Thanks John - exactly. I hit them with it and they were shocked.
Keep in mind, I had to really push them to do this remediation....
they were dragging and kicking their feet.

>
> BACKUP the original!!!  You need to be able to prove that the old
> sucked and the new... sucks
> less... (you can only fix what you find).
>
> Then you need to start a document of each thing like this that you
> find.  It will provide a huge
> evidence base for when you present the case for "your application sucks
> and this is why it takes so
> long to get it working".
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting




From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 17:06:24 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:06:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Omigosh, this one is a great story for the EUSprig group...they track all
business-related spreadsheet disasters that have a financial consequence. So
let me get this straight, their scaling went like 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, etc ?
So that required a special rounding function....rounding to the nearest 0.5.
So 1.26 would go to 1.5, 1.75 would go to 2.0....correct ?

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk
matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be
regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were
returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a
risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).
Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk
profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error





From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 17:36:46 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:36:46 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Hi Mark,

They had four risk bands (1-4) with each band having a heavier weighting to compensate for the higher risk.  There were also four questions (the matching 4's with the questions and banding is a coincidence and not related at all - althought the 4 questions within each combobox is related to the risk banding scale).

In this instance it related to property insurance (mainly for fire risk) so the questions were about type of construction, roof,  interior and how old the wiring and plumbing was.  You get the idea. - it was fairly high level stuff.

The maths worked like this.  Each of the 4 questions had 4 possible responses.  The 4 responses were scaled from 1 to 4 depending on how risky they were.  The sum of the four responses were divided by 4 to give a risk band rating.  As the division can result in non-integers the value needed to be rounded up or down to the nearest whole to give the correct rating.

For example.  If the responses were
1
1
2
3
(Total of 7)
7/4 = 1.75

So this customer should be paying the rate from risk band 2.  However the code was doing this

INT(7/4) to make the integer which would always return a 1 regardless.  The only time you would ever get a 2 rating was if the result was > than 2 already.  So they were underquoting on their risk for many of their clients.  This was really bad for when high level rating 3 types were not being rated as 4 (some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3 would be returned).

Had a fun one at an oil company with rounding and zeros too.  Story for another day.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

Omigosh, this one is a great story for the EUSprig group...they track all business-related spreadsheet disasters that have a financial consequence. So let me get this straight, their scaling went like 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, etc ?
So that required a special rounding function....rounding to the nearest 0.5.
So 1.26 would go to 1.5, 1.75 would go to 2.0....correct ?

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).
Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error



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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 19:26:58 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:26:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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(some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3
would be returned).

A disasterous conclusion IMHO.




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 19:35:01 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:35:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Yes... Fully agree. They (the portfolio risk manager) were really unhappy as the business had already been written, the risk paid for by the client.  Nothing they could do except wait out the term of the agreement.

of course then it puts them in the situation next year when the client want to renew and the business manager now has to decline it.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 12:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
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(some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3 would be returned).

A disasterous conclusion IMHO.


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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 20:56:51 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:56:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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I think when i used to prepare financial statements it was always an art to
get all the numbers to round correctly. I had a finance manager who was
awesome at it. Naturally formulas went both across and down and all the
numbers had the same precision as well as formatting. But the guy could
make little adjustments here and there and always get it to come out
perfectly. I'd spend hours and still never get things to balance.

Personally I would prefer if all numbers went on the sheet with all the
precision they merit,  without concern whether formatted numbers add up to
the foematted total. But I guess perception is reality and if the financial
statements look like they don't add up people question the processes that
underlie them.

Thing is, while you're doing year-end stuff you make changes all the time
to final numbers ... so you start the adjustment dance all over.

I dont mimd formatting but i feel rounding raw numbers and even
intermediate results evil and I hate it. Figures never lie but liars must
always figure.
On Dec 22, 2011 8:36 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Yes... Fully agree. They (the portfolio risk manager) were really unhappy
> as the business had already been written, the risk paid for by the client.
>  Nothing they could do except wait out the term of the agreement.
>
> of course then it puts them in the situation next year when the client
> want to renew and the business manager now has to decline it.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 12:27 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
>
> (some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3
> would be returned).
>
> A disasterous conclusion IMHO.
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 21:10:07 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:10:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V6sEo=P151utGYnr3UYXom5P9YjNReEZz0m6DnQu+-xwQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, rounding was the oil company problem as well.

In short the Aussie HO used to look after all the deliveries to all the piddly little Pacific Islands (right out to Guam etc).  A lot of these places would only want less than 500,000 BOE delivered each time the ship showed up.

Say Island X wanted 250,000 K of BOE this month.

In the Spreadsheet used to track all this stuff the girl would key in 250,000 BOE but the workbook was rounded to display millions of BOE as the minimum display (fair enough I guess as most places do use millions and millions of BOE).

Anyway, as expected the 250K would show as Zero in the workbook.  Of course whilst the data was in XL the reports would still calculate correctly as the underlying value was indeed 250K, even though it was displayed as zero.

But of course they used SAP for their accounting and control.  So what happened was the girl would print out her Spreadsheet, send it to another dept who would then (re)key the data into SAP.  Suddenly all those little oil deliveries were being entered as Zeros, not their real amounts.

BAM! Big problem as millions of BOE started to vanish from the system.

Easy enough to fix once I tracked down where the problem was (I ended up showing them how push the data from XL directly into SAP without all the printing, internal mail and rekeying business and also modded the format to show a different format if the zero value was not a true zero.

Rounding and formats.  Approach with some caution I say.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 1:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

I think when i used to prepare financial statements it was always an art to get all the numbers to round correctly. I had a finance manager who was awesome at it. Naturally formulas went both across and down and all the numbers had the same precision as well as formatting. But the guy could make little adjustments here and there and always get it to come out perfectly. I'd spend hours and still never get things to balance.

Personally I would prefer if all numbers went on the sheet with all the precision they merit,  without concern whether formatted numbers add up to the foematted total. But I guess perception is reality and if the financial statements look like they don't add up people question the processes that underlie them.

Thing is, while you're doing year-end stuff you make changes all the time to final numbers ... so you start the adjustment dance all over.

I dont mimd formatting but i feel rounding raw numbers and even intermediate results evil and I hate it. Figures never lie but liars must always figure.
On Dec 22, 2011 8:36 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Yes... Fully agree. They (the portfolio risk manager) were really 
> unhappy as the business had already been written, the risk paid for by the client.
>  Nothing they could do except wait out the term of the agreement.
>
> of course then it puts them in the situation next year when the client 
> want to renew and the business manager now has to decline it.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 12:27 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
>
> (some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as 
> a 3 would be returned).
>
> A disasterous conclusion IMHO.
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 02:18:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:18:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
Message-ID: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>

I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application and the file(s) that make 
it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The recordset opened then 
defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute, and then opens that app.

It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and running and CopyAndExecute 
closes.

Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 23 04:01:31 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:01:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk>

Hi Darryl et al

Sorry to destroy the party, but all it takes is well defined criteria (business rules) - which seems to have been present here and trivial too - as well as a skilled programmer in this area - no guru or genius is required. If you deal with calculations and feel you can't handle rounding properly, you should put this item on the agenda to fill one of the empty(!) spaces in the upcoming Christmas holiday season. It isn't difficult at all.

Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function Round is not the answer to any serious task:

http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/c_Round.htm#Round16

And don't forget: Math is fun!

/gustav


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 22-12-2011 23:28 >>>
In my last role I saw a similar issue when one of the developers was trying to group data which contained decimals into the nearest whole number (up or down) to determine the band.  He was using the INT function which he didn't understand at all (from what I can tell).

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).  Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error.

That said, I am not perfect with these things either and have made plenty of similar errors over the years.  Guess it shows the importance of getting everything tested by a whole group of different (and skilled) folks.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 4:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

I am sure that they are losing so much money that most of their thinking investors and auditors have abandoned and the fools who remain don't know the difference between a balance sheet that adds up and one that doesn't.
On Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers, 
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large 
> series of individual values,  and then total-up the rounded results 
> instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main 
> processing unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.




From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Dec 23 13:01:41 2011
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:01:41 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
Message-ID: <201112231201.pBNC1fGY024467@mailhostC.plex.net>

Dear group,

thanks for all the help.
I have tried all the suggestions.
Also i have added some records to the test-table, to exclude double dates etc.

Here is the test table:

Pat             Date                 Result
A1              1-1-20111            5
A1             10-10-2011            7
A1             11-11-2011            8
A1             11-11-2011            6
B2               4-4-2011            6
B2               5-5-2011            3
B2               1-1-2011           15
B2               1-1-2011            4
B2               5-5-2011            5
B2               5-5-2011            1

The result shout be: 

Pat           LastDate           Result
A1            11-11-2011          8
B2             5-5-2011           5



Here are the result given by the groupmembers, with the result en at last the correct solution.
 

1--------------



SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, Last(tbl1.Result) AS LastResult
FROM tbl1
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat;

Pat              LastDate            LastResult
A1               11-11-2011          6
B2                5-5-2011           1



2---------------  



SELECT tbl1.Pat, Max(tbl1.Date) AS MaxDate, Max(tbl1.Result) AS MaxResult
FROM tbl1
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat;

Pat                MaxDate             MaxResult
A1                 11-11-2011          8
B2                   5-5-2011          6
 


3---------------



SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1 
INNER JOIN (SELECT Max(tbl1.Date) AS MaxDate FROM tbl1)  B ON tbl1.Date=B.MaxDate
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;

Pat               LastDate              Result
A1                 11-11-2011           6
A1                 11-11-2011           8



4-------------



SELECT Tbl1.Pat, Tbl1.Date, Tbl1.Result
FROM Tbl1
WHERE (((Tbl1.Date)=(Select Max(t2.Date) From Tbl1 as t2 Where t2.Pat = Tbl1.Pat)));


Pat          Date                Result
A1           11-11-2011          8
A1           11-11-2011          6
B2            5-5-2011           3
B2            5-5-2011           5
B2            5-5-2011           1

This solution from Wiliam gives me the all the results with the last date.


These i can easily query by:

SELECT Query5.Pat, Query5.Date, Max(Query5.Result) AS MaxVanResult
FROM Query5
GROUP BY Query5.Pat, Query5.Date;

Pat           Date               MaxVanResult
A1            11-11-2011          8
B2              5-5-2011          5


Thanks en best wishes

Pedro


p.s.  David, normally i never use "date" as a fieldname. I was just for this example.




From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec 23 07:27:39 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:27:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>

Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?

> Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> Round is not the answer to any serious task:
>
>
> /gustav




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 09:34:48 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:34:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
Message-ID: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>

I am beginning the long hard task of migrating a client from Access data stores (many many) to SQL 
Server.  This is my client, the data is mostly mine etc.  The client is on board that we do this and 
in fact is investing in the server, OS and SQL Server software to do this.

My problem is that while I have used SQL Server a ton over the last few years it has not been in the 
normal parent / child / grandchild, enforce referential integrity, enforce uniqueness and all that 
jazz.  So I need to learn some stuff like how to enforce unique values in a column.

I also need to discover how to migrate data from Access to SQL Server.  The data migration wizard in 
SQL Server is actually quite good however AFAICT it does not pull relationships in, in fact it does 
not even capture the fact that the PK is an autonumber and PK.  It also seems to default to nvarchar 
whereas I prefer varchar.

Thus importing data using that wizard does work but it is pretty labor intensive fixing up the 
identity and setting the PK to a PK, editing mappings and so forth.

I would like to start a thread on this aspect of moving to SQL Server.  What has been your 
experience in this data migration, what tools have you used, what gotchas have you run into etc.

Thanks,

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec 23 10:05:04 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:05:04 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?My_Excel_project=2E=2E=2Eyou_won=27t_believe_?=
 =?utf-8?q?this_one?=
In-Reply-To: <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
Message-ID: <E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>

Hi Mark, Gustav at all --

> Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
They didn't.

> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
Yes, the do.

 Access 2010:

?round(2.5)
 2 
?format(2.5, "0")
3

Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:

http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html

or even earlier...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> 
> > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> >
> >
> > /gustav
> 
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Dec 23 10:05:07 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:05:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

John,

I've done like you describe with just importing the tables, doing all
the fixing up of the tables, relationships, etc... afterwards.  Not fun,
especially with lots of tables, but that was back on Access 97 and SQL
2000.

Have you looked that the SQL Server Migration Assistant (SSMA) at
Microsoft?

http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
x#Access


Here's an old article (July 2003) from Susan Harkins about using the
Upsizing Wizard in Access 2003, probably outdated for newer versions of
SQL Server

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/upsizing-an-existing-microsoft-acces
s-database/5035130


HTH

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

I am beginning the long hard task of migrating a client from Access data
stores (many many) to SQL Server.  This is my client, the data is mostly
mine etc.  The client is on board that we do this and in fact is
investing in the server, OS and SQL Server software to do this.

My problem is that while I have used SQL Server a ton over the last few
years it has not been in the normal parent / child / grandchild, enforce
referential integrity, enforce uniqueness and all that jazz.  So I need
to learn some stuff like how to enforce unique values in a column.

I also need to discover how to migrate data from Access to SQL Server.
The data migration wizard in SQL Server is actually quite good however
AFAICT it does not pull relationships in, in fact it does not even
capture the fact that the PK is an autonumber and PK.  It also seems to
default to nvarchar whereas I prefer varchar.

Thus importing data using that wizard does work but it is pretty labor
intensive fixing up the identity and setting the PK to a PK, editing
mappings and so forth.

I would like to start a thread on this aspect of moving to SQL Server.
What has been your experience in this data migration, what tools have
you used, what gotchas have you run into etc.

Thanks,

--
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 10:26:51 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:26:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>

The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is ... a document on how 
to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that do this.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> x#Access



From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Dec 23 10:42:17 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:42:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A442@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Looks like the end of the link got wrapped to the next line.  The
x#Access should be at the end of the url.  I was just there so I know it
still exists :-)  

I just googled Microsoft SSMA and the top listing was Free Microsoft SQL
Server Database Migration Assistant.  Once you go there you can click on
the Migration Tool tab.

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's
left is ... a document on how to and links to companies (Microsoft
partners?) that do this.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>
http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> x#Access

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From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Dec 23 10:47:40 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:47:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <015601ccc192$959333e0$c0b99ba0$@comcast.net>

Hi John,

Honestly, I've used SSMA for Access and it was a little funky.  I recently
just used the upsizing wizard in Access and that went fine with one strong
caveat.  I purchased an app named Must for upsizing, and it's better than
using the upsizing wizard in Access - for me it pinpointed a bad date in a
date field which prevented upsizing in Access.  Must does have a little
learning curve so go through that for an hour or so and you'll like it.

You should upsize Indexes, Validation Rules, Defaults, but do not upsize
relationships between tables.  This will give you Triggers and Constraints
which will be intended to duplicate the functionality of a relationship.
That works, but in Diagrams on SQL Server you can create any number of
different table relationship diagrams.  But when you create the diagrams,
you've now duplicated the table relationship functionality with the upsized
Triggers and Constraints.  SQL Server has good screens for creating both
indexes and table relationships, and you should use those.

Also, do add timestamp fields - these will allow 'edited record'
functionality to work in SQL Server.

HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is
... a document on how to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that
do this.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> x#Access

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From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Dec 23 10:52:01 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:52:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A442@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A442@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <015a01ccc193$318c66e0$94a534a0$@comcast.net>

And - after you click on the Migration Tool tab you have to select 'Access'
from the dropdown list under the 'migrating from' square.  Otherwise it just
looks like SSMA is only for Oracle to SQL Server.

Maybe today's version is better than the one I used.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

Looks like the end of the link got wrapped to the next line.  The x#Access
should be at the end of the url.  I was just there so I know it still exists
:-)  

I just googled Microsoft SSMA and the top listing was Free Microsoft SQL
Server Database Migration Assistant.  Once you go there you can click on the
Migration Tool tab.

Rusty




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 10:54:44 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:54:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <015601ccc192$959333e0$c0b99ba0$@comcast.net>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
	<015601ccc192$959333e0$c0b99ba0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EF4B254.2030901@colbyconsulting.com>

Must looks pretty cheap.  I might give that a try.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:47 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Honestly, I've used SSMA for Access and it was a little funky.  I recently
> just used the upsizing wizard in Access and that went fine with one strong
> caveat.  I purchased an app named Must for upsizing, and it's better than
> using the upsizing wizard in Access - for me it pinpointed a bad date in a
> date field which prevented upsizing in Access.  Must does have a little
> learning curve so go through that for an hour or so and you'll like it.
>
> You should upsize Indexes, Validation Rules, Defaults, but do not upsize
> relationships between tables.  This will give you Triggers and Constraints
> which will be intended to duplicate the functionality of a relationship.
> That works, but in Diagrams on SQL Server you can create any number of
> different table relationship diagrams.  But when you create the diagrams,
> you've now duplicated the table relationship functionality with the upsized
> Triggers and Constraints.  SQL Server has good screens for creating both
> indexes and table relationships, and you should use those.
>
> Also, do add timestamp fields - these will allow 'edited record'
> functionality to work in SQL Server.
>
> HTH,
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:27 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
>
> The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is
> ... a document on how to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that
> do this.
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
>> x#Access
>



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Dec 23 12:51:49 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:51:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4B6F63DA6C5C4180A0185048B6E2593A@XPS>

John,

 For some great tips on using Access with SQL Server, download "Best of both
worlds" from here:

http://www.jstreettech.com/cartgenie/pg_developerDownloads.asp


 Also not sure if it was you or someone else that posted a MSKB/MSDN link
that had tons on the deep internals of how Access uses a unique key with
table linking and how you could control it in Access.  I'll have to dig for
that one.

  I know it was posted to the list at one point (pretty sure I posted the
above link as well in the past, but it's worth a re-post).

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

I am beginning the long hard task of migrating a client from Access data
stores (many many) to SQL 
Server.  This is my client, the data is mostly mine etc.  The client is on
board that we do this and 
in fact is investing in the server, OS and SQL Server software to do this.

My problem is that while I have used SQL Server a ton over the last few
years it has not been in the 
normal parent / child / grandchild, enforce referential integrity, enforce
uniqueness and all that 
jazz.  So I need to learn some stuff like how to enforce unique values in a
column.

I also need to discover how to migrate data from Access to SQL Server.  The
data migration wizard in 
SQL Server is actually quite good however AFAICT it does not pull
relationships in, in fact it does 
not even capture the fact that the PK is an autonumber and PK.  It also
seems to default to nvarchar 
whereas I prefer varchar.

Thus importing data using that wizard does work but it is pretty labor
intensive fixing up the 
identity and setting the PK to a PK, editing mappings and so forth.

I would like to start a thread on this aspect of moving to SQL Server.  What
has been your 
experience in this data migration, what tools have you used, what gotchas
have you run into etc.

Thanks,

-- 
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Colby Consulting

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 14:31:21 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:31:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
Message-ID: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>

I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a string in another text box. 
  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access is a constant directory 
location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.

However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update) so the string I am 
building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the 
'\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this 
behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.

Any thoughts?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From guss at beechnutconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 14:46:15 2011
From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:46:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00a101ccc1b3$ea35e890$bea1b9b0$@beechnutconsulting.com>

John,

I usually accomplish this by using the AfterUpdate event.  If the entry is
bound to a field then you may want to do validation testing on the entry
(such as "is it null?", etc) in the before update event.  Once validated,
the after update event can populate the derived value into txtB.


Sincerely yours,
 
Guss Ginsburg
Beechnut Consulting Services



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 2:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null

I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
string in another text box. 
  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access
is a constant directory location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' &
txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.

However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update)
so the string I am building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being
inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the '\'.  I thought I was going to use
txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this behavior and
don't quite know how to work around it.

Any thoughts?

--
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Colby Consulting

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Dec 23 14:58:49 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:58:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <63C61366D5D745588E069510909C22B9@XPS>


 Until the control is updated, you need to grab the value in the buffer with
the .Text property.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 03:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null

I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
string in another text box. 
  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access
is a constant directory 
location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.

However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update)
so the string I am 
building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the
'C:\Access\' and the 
'\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never
really knew about this 
behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.

Any thoughts?

-- 
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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec 23 15:00:09 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:00:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Try this:

Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
    txtB = "C:\Access\" & txtA.Text & IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
End Sub

-- 
Stuart

On 23 Dec 2011 at 15:31, jwcolby wrote:

> I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a string in another text box. 
>   IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access is a constant directory 
> location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.
> 
> However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update) so the string I am 
> building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the 
> '\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this 
> behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec 23 15:04:31 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 01:04:31 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Migrate_to_SQL_Server?=
In-Reply-To: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E1ReCI3-00044z-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f250.mail.ru>

Hi John at all --

> The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  
It didn't.

I have just used MS Access 2010 and its Database Tools -> SQL Server feature to get upsized my customer model MS Access database into MS SQL Server 2008 R2 database.
All worked flawlessly: 

- autonumbers went upsized into identity fields,
- relationships - into DRI (option to be selected in upsizing setup dialog),
....

Here is screenshot of relationships diagrams, the one for MS SQL was built  and arranged automatically after I have added all the tables to a new empty MS SQL Database Diagram:

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/fm.png

Thank you.

-- Shamil



23 ??????? 2011, 20:29 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is ... a document on how
> to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that do this.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> > x#Access
> 
> --> AccessD mailing list
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> 



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 15:45:38 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:45:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8987n_OPMCj6mE__DqsJ4EnQoBDBr0Ukm6+WBESQB46Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure value will work the way you want it to, but you might try
using the beforeupdate of the first textbox to write the text in the box
(not the value) to the second textbox.  I may be confusing VB.Net and VBA,
so don't take my advice as gospel.

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
> string in another text box.  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to
> 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access is a constant directory location and I am
> inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.
>
> However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after
> update) so the string I am building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null
> is being inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the '\'.  I thought I was
> going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this
> behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 15:52:46 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:52:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <63C61366D5D745588E069510909C22B9@XPS>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
	<63C61366D5D745588E069510909C22B9@XPS>
Message-ID: <4EF4F82E.8010903@colbyconsulting.com>

OK, thanks.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 3:58 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   Until the control is updated, you need to grab the value in the buffer with
> the .Text property.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 03:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
>
> I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
> string in another text box.
>    IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access
> is a constant directory
> location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\'&  txtA.Value&  '\' into txtB.
>
> However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update)
> so the string I am
> building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the
> 'C:\Access\' and the
> '\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never
> really knew about this
> behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 21:42:48 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:42:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
	<E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>

Ok good article ... seems to have been written before ac2010 but I am
certainly willing to believe that VBA does no better job of these things
than it ever did. THAT SAID... my hope (and trust) is that the Excel
interface and its functions would do a better job with calculations.
Wherever possible I try to use the worksheet to do as much work as
possible. Is that a mistake? I would hate to think I really need to be
adding such tedious Udfs to formulas just to get accurate results

??
On Dec 23, 2011 11:06 AM, "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Mark, Gustav at all --
>
> > Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
> They didn't.
>
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
> Yes, the do.
>
>  Access 2010:
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html
>
> or even earlier...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> 23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> > Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> >
> > > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> > >
> > >
> > > /gustav
> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 23:45:51 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 00:45:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Further to libraries
Message-ID: <4EF5670F.2050505@colbyconsulting.com>

Libraries solve a problem of making fixes and enhancements in one location.  They create another 
problem which is having to test all the applications that use the library to ensure that they all 
work with the libs before releasing the libs for general use.

The reality is that software is so complex that a problem may be found even after "the tests" which 
may mean backing out the lib (or the app).  One way of dealing with that is to have a directory with 
all of the files required to run the app including the libs.  When any of the required files is 
updated, zip up all of the files and replace whatever files.  If a problem is found down the road, 
unzip all of the files to be back at the previous state.


-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 01:29:03 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 02:29:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5dh4t3MKkG+ghKEG3D1VGAR2F_Mu91YNdPd5YzLf_ThQ@mail.gmail.com>

I guess even the brief time the application is visible between

SET MYACCESS = NEW ACCESS.APPLICATION
MYACCESS.VISIBLE = FALSE

is not acceptable?
On Dec 23, 2011 3:21 AM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
> and the file(s) that make it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.
>  A shortcut opens the access CopyAndExecute.mdb and passes in a command
> line argument which is looked up in a table.  The recordset opened then
> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
> and then opens that app.
>
> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
> invisible.  ATM it opens as a normal Access application which can be seen
> until the target FE is up and running and CopyAndExecute closes.
>
> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 24 03:46:04 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:46:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You need two steps:

1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec macro:
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const SW_HIDE = 0
Const SW_NORMAL = 1
Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3

Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
  (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long

Function Startup() As Long
   Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
End Function

By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that flash, create a shortcut 
to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open your application via 
the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.

-- 
Stuart


On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:

> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application and the file(s) that make 
> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The recordset opened then 
> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute, and then opens that app.
> 
> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and running and CopyAndExecute 
> closes.
> 
> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 





From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 06:39:55 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:39:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>

But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
original plan?? 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access

You need two steps:

1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
macro:
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const SW_HIDE = 0
Const SW_NORMAL = 1
Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3

Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
  (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long

Function Startup() As Long
   Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
End Function

By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
flash, create a shortcut 
to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
your application via 
the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.

-- 
Stuart


On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:

> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
and the file(s) that make 
> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
recordset opened then 
> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
and then opens that app.
> 
> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
running and CopyAndExecute 
> closes.
> 
> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 24 09:31:24 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:31:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef5fe68.016@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Round is and has always been buggy. It is not the same as it will never fit a purpose but for serious use it is not reliable.

>From that site (from the link) you can run the test for any custom rounding function. As noted - and (still) to the surprise for many - the only function of VB(A) and Access Basic (version 2.0) too - that performs correct 4/5 rounding is Format. All the Cxxx converter functions perform Banker's Rounding which is not "wrong", just not "clean" 4/5 rounding as you learned in school.

/gustav

>>> marksimms at verizon.net 23-12-2011 14:27 >>>
Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?

> Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> Round is not the answer to any serious task:
>
>
> /gustav





From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 24 09:35:46 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:35:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef5ff77.017@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Well, that article is more about the normal precautions to take when dealing with floating point numbers more than rounding issues.

It is with rounding as with many other tasks that many methods exist and no one is wrong. It all depends.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 23-12-2011 17:05 >>>
Hi Mark, Gustav at all --

> Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
They didn't.

> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
Yes, the do.

 Access 2010:

?round(2.5)
 2 
?format(2.5, "0")
3

Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:

http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html 

or even earlier...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> 
> > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> >
> >
> > /gustav





From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 24 09:40:42 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:40:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>

Hi all

On this evening - Merry Christmas to all after another year with a lot of learning experiences and input at this list (and its sister lists) which still stands out from all the other fora you and I join.
Thanks to all!

/gustav




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 09:39:13 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:39:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <sef5ff77.017@cactus.dk>
References: <sef5ff77.017@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6G2MJz=WeiVnJR91wSgN-WPvfBo-8yMgbQQw6UiuJ8Bg@mail.gmail.com>

I disagree Gustav (and I don't like to disagree with you! Especially at
Christmas time :)

Any time you cannot guarantee a reliable result by your methods.... and are
not knowledgable or willing to inform your users under what conditions they
can expect results to be proper or improper...  that is wrong.
On Dec 24, 2011 10:31 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
>
> Well, that article is more about the normal precautions to take when
> dealing with floating point numbers more than rounding issues.
>
> It is with rounding as with many other tasks that many methods exist and
> no one is wrong. It all depends.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 23-12-2011 17:05 >>>
> Hi Mark, Gustav at all --
>
> > Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
> They didn't.
>
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
> Yes, the do.
>
>  Access 2010:
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html
>
> or even earlier...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> 23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> > Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> >
> > > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> > >
> > >
> > > /gustav
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 11:43:59 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:43:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
 further review
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
References: <AcymxEmh2e+IvRDbRUSouWM2nZ+akwAAD3dw>
	<BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am missing the original message where this EIasT.mdb was described /
offered. Reading this message leaves me curious.  May I ask someone to send
me this link offlist?
On Nov 19, 2011 9:13 AM, "Jack and Pat" <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Dan,
>
>
>
> Further to my (off list) note from late last night, I did a little more
> review. I opened the EIasT.mdb with a breakpoint to allow stepping thru the
> code. In the problem data base, the queries and forms - up to the problem
> form - are all exported as text as expected. After the error, the code
> stops
> on a STOP statement, as it should. If I step through, it continues with the
> next procedure in code and does Import the text that was previously
> exported.
>
>
>
> It seems I have a corrupted Form and that its source can not be retrieved.
> I
> did not find any resolution to the "there isn't enough memory to perform
> this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation again". Seems
> the consensus is to rebuild the form involved.
>
>
>
> So from an EIasT view, I did use the utility against another database and
> all was well. It did build a directory and saved all queries, forms,
> reports
> and nodules (I don't have any macros), It did import all the text. It does
> Compact and Repair. And the database , original and rebuilt are available.
> Good stuuf.
>
>
>
> I'm impressed with your code. No wasted code; very concise. I especially
> like the line numbers in the vba. I take it that is based on your use of
> FMC
> utilities. The progress bars are a nice feature - seems there are lots of
> people trying to build these based on forums I've seen.
>
>
>
> Again, thanks for responding quickly, and thanks for the EIasT code.
> Perhaps it should be made available at databaseadvisors as a utility.
>
>
>
> Jack
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Dec 24 11:58:38 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 11:58:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
	further review
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AcymxEmh2e+IvRDbRUSouWM2nZ+akwAAD3dw>	<BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
	<CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501ccc265$a9f78c40$fde6a4c0$@comcast.net>

Hi William,

I have a version of this that I made for myself.  It works on all objects
except tables.

I can email a copy to you offline if you'd like.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
further review

I am missing the original message where this EIasT.mdb was described /
offered. Reading this message leaves me curious.  May I ask someone to send
me this link offlist?
On Nov 19, 2011 9:13 AM, "Jack and Pat" <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Dan,
>
>
>
> Further to my (off list) note from late last night, I did a little 
> more review. I opened the EIasT.mdb with a breakpoint to allow 
> stepping thru the code. In the problem data base, the queries and 
> forms - up to the problem form - are all exported as text as expected. 
> After the error, the code stops on a STOP statement, as it should. If 
> I step through, it continues with the next procedure in code and does 
> Import the text that was previously exported.
>
>
>
> It seems I have a corrupted Form and that its source can not be retrieved.
> I
> did not find any resolution to the "there isn't enough memory to 
> perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation 
> again". Seems the consensus is to rebuild the form involved.
>
>
>
> So from an EIasT view, I did use the utility against another database 
> and all was well. It did build a directory and saved all queries, 
> forms, reports and nodules (I don't have any macros), It did import 
> all the text. It does Compact and Repair. And the database , original 
> and rebuilt are available.
> Good stuuf.
>
>
>
> I'm impressed with your code. No wasted code; very concise. I 
> especially like the line numbers in the vba. I take it that is based 
> on your use of FMC utilities. The progress bars are a nice feature - 
> seems there are lots of people trying to build these based on forums 
> I've seen.
>
>
>
> Again, thanks for responding quickly, and thanks for the EIasT code.
> Perhaps it should be made available at databaseadvisors as a utility.
>
>
>
> Jack
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
--
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 12:01:18 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 13:01:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
 further review
In-Reply-To: <001501ccc265$a9f78c40$fde6a4c0$@comcast.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
	<CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<001501ccc265$a9f78c40$fde6a4c0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6T5B=Pwq5Zk1ScAK8GiCA0FwBcmRqYf_2+pTuz-dp3oQ@mail.gmail.com>

For sure! THANKS IN ADVANCE.
On Dec 24, 2011 1:00 PM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi William,
>
> I have a version of this that I made for myself.  It works on all objects
> except tables.
>
> I can email a copy to you offline if you'd like.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
> further review
>
> I am missing the original message where this EIasT.mdb was described /
> offered. Reading this message leaves me curious.  May I ask someone to send
> me this link offlist?
> On Nov 19, 2011 9:13 AM, "Jack and Pat" <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > Dan,
> >
> >
> >
> > Further to my (off list) note from late last night, I did a little
> > more review. I opened the EIasT.mdb with a breakpoint to allow
> > stepping thru the code. In the problem data base, the queries and
> > forms - up to the problem form - are all exported as text as expected.
> > After the error, the code stops on a STOP statement, as it should. If
> > I step through, it continues with the next procedure in code and does
> > Import the text that was previously exported.
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems I have a corrupted Form and that its source can not be
> retrieved.
> > I
> > did not find any resolution to the "there isn't enough memory to
> > perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation
> > again". Seems the consensus is to rebuild the form involved.
> >
> >
> >
> > So from an EIasT view, I did use the utility against another database
> > and all was well. It did build a directory and saved all queries,
> > forms, reports and nodules (I don't have any macros), It did import
> > all the text. It does Compact and Repair. And the database , original
> > and rebuilt are available.
> > Good stuuf.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm impressed with your code. No wasted code; very concise. I
> > especially like the line numbers in the vba. I take it that is based
> > on your use of FMC utilities. The progress bars are a nice feature -
> > seems there are lots of people trying to build these based on forums
> > I've seen.
> >
> >
> >
> > Again, thanks for responding quickly, and thanks for the EIasT code.
> > Perhaps it should be made available at databaseadvisors as a utility.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Dec 24 13:53:02 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:53:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
	<E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
	<CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004801ccc275$a5cbc9a0$f1635ce0$@net>

Thanks to all who responded...fascinating story of a software behemoth that 
just doesn't care.
I don't want to hear the BS that they couldn't fix it because it would 
something.
Total BS. Just an excuse not to fix.
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html




From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 24 14:10:45 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:10:45 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>
References: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <24A6411E-585B-4848-86BB-415F617B3AD6@phulse.com>


Glaedelig jul og godt tub'aar. ;)

- Hans



On 2011-12-24, at 7:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> On this evening - Merry Christmas to all after another year with a lot of learning experiences and input at this list (and its sister lists) which still stands out from all the other fora you and I join.
> Thanks to all!
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 24 14:45:22 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 06:45:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and not have the 
CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.


On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
> original plan?? 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
> 
> You need two steps:
> 
> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
> macro:
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> Const SW_HIDE = 0
> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
> 
> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>   (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
> 
> Function Startup() As Long
>    Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
> End Function
> 
> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
> flash, create a shortcut 
> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
> your application via 
> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
> 
> > I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
> and the file(s) that make 
> > it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
> access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
> > and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
> recordset opened then 
> > defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
> and then opens that app.
> > 
> > It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
> invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
> > normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
> running and CopyAndExecute 
> > closes.
> > 
> > Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
> > 
> > -- 
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > 
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 24 15:30:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:30:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EF64473.3000305@colbyconsulting.com>

Right you are Stuart.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and not have the
> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>
>
> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>
>> But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
>> original plan??
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>
>> You need two steps:
>>
>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>> macro:
>> Option Compare Database
>> Option Explicit
>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>
>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>    (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>
>> Function Startup() As Long
>>     Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>> End Function
>>
>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
>> flash, create a shortcut
>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
>> your application via
>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>>> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
>> and the file(s) that make
>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
>> recordset opened then
>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
>> and then opens that app.
>>>
>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>> closes.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 24 15:41:53 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:41:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>

That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to false and then set the Run 
Minimized attribute and I never even see the CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens 
to say "be patient" and off we go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and not have the
> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>
>
> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>
>> But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
>> original plan??
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>
>> You need two steps:
>>
>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>> macro:
>> Option Compare Database
>> Option Explicit
>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>
>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>    (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>
>> Function Startup() As Long
>>     Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>> End Function
>>
>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
>> flash, create a shortcut
>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
>> your application via
>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>>> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
>> and the file(s) that make
>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
>> recordset opened then
>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
>> and then opens that app.
>>>
>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>> closes.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 15:49:37 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:49:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>

I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
vba?

TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
> and off we go.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>
>> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and
>> not have the
>> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>>
>>
>> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>>
>>  But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was
>>> the
>>> original plan??
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>>
>>> You need two steps:
>>>
>>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>>> macro:
>>> Option Compare Database
>>> Option Explicit
>>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>>
>>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>>   (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>>
>>> Function Startup() As Long
>>>    Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>>> End Function
>>>
>>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
>>> flash, create a shortcut
>>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
>>> your application via
>>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>>
>>>  I have written a small app that allows me to define an access
>>>> application
>>>>
>>> and the file(s) that make
>>>
>>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>>>>
>>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>>
>>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.
>>>>  The
>>>>
>>> recordset opened then
>>>
>>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to
>>>> execute,
>>>>
>>> and then opens that app.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>>>>
>>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>>
>>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up
>>>> and
>>>>
>>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>>
>>>> closes.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 15:58:44 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:58:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7O-djKTfaZw3b_-VU3jPkeUTWavEjM+AM4HREK4gqgRA@mail.gmail.com>

I guess  I am connecting the wrong dots... when john said "I have written a
small app that allows.... I thought his app calls something else via a
shortcut. He wrote "A shortcut opens the copyandexecute.mdb..." so i
thought this was the first thing his app did. I didnt realize he meant "I
use a shortcut to launch my app which is named CopyandExecute.mdb"

MY FAULT.pay me no mind.
On Dec 24, 2011 4:49 PM, "William Benson" <vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
> vba?
>
> TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
> On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>> That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
>> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
>> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
>> and off we go.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>>
>>> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and
>>> not have the
>>> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>>>
>>>  But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was
>>>> the
>>>> original plan??
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>>>
>>>> You need two steps:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>>>> macro:
>>>> Option Compare Database
>>>> Option Explicit
>>>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>>>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>>>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>>>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>>>
>>>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>>>   (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>>>
>>>> Function Startup() As Long
>>>>    Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>>>> End Function
>>>>
>>>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of
>>>> that
>>>> flash, create a shortcut
>>>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.
>>>>  Open
>>>> your application via
>>>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I have written a small app that allows me to define an access
>>>>> application
>>>>>
>>>> and the file(s) that make
>>>>
>>>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>>>>>
>>>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>>>
>>>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.
>>>>>  The
>>>>>
>>>> recordset opened then
>>>>
>>>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to
>>>>> execute,
>>>>>
>>>> and then opens that app.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>>>>>
>>>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>>>
>>>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>>>
>>>>> closes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
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>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Dec 24 17:26:50 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:26:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Merry Christmas AccessD Members !
In-Reply-To: <004801ccc275$a5cbc9a0$f1635ce0$@net>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
	<E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
	<CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<004801ccc275$a5cbc9a0$f1635ce0$@net>
Message-ID: <000c01ccc293$83bd8b00$8b38a100$@net>

Correction in CAPS:
I don't want to hear the BS that they couldn't fix it because it would BREAK
something.

Merry Christmas AccessD members !





From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Dec 25 05:24:40 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 12:24:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef71629.019@cactus.dk>

Hi William

We can't disagree on that. I work mostly with accounting systems and routines related to that where correct and predictable rounding is a high priority area.

The issue is that all the Cxx converter functions and Round too perform Banker's Rounding. This is not wrong, only different from what most people expect because very little is told about it. The Int and Fix functions work correctly too and also much more as people expect them to do. What is missing is a function that clearly and correctly performs a true 4/5 rounding as we learned in school, and very few expect the "secret" Format to be that only function which does that.

What messes up the picture further, is that Round is buggy as the test function from the link I posted shows.

/gustav


>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 24-12-2011 16:39 >>>
I disagree Gustav (and I don't like to disagree with you! Especially at
Christmas time :)

Any time you cannot guarantee a reliable result by your methods.... and are
not knowledgable or willing to inform your users under what conditions they
can expect results to be proper or improper...  that is wrong.
On Dec 24, 2011 10:31 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
>
> Well, that article is more about the normal precautions to take when
> dealing with floating point numbers more than rounding issues.
>
> It is with rounding as with many other tasks that many methods exist and
> no one is wrong. It all depends.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 23-12-2011 17:05 >>>
> Hi Mark, Gustav at all --
>
> > Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
> They didn't.
>
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
> Yes, the do.
>
>  Access 2010:
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html 
>
> or even earlier...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec 25 08:44:10 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 09:44:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF736BA.1070505@colbyconsulting.com>

William,

What I am trying to do is have a shortcut open a program and keep it invisible.  That program copies 
a bunch of files, then opens a second program, whereupon the first program shuts down.

The shortcut properties invisible / minimized cause the first program to never appear.  The first 
program puts up a "working, be patient" splash screen while it is opening the second program.

Stuart's suggestion was to use the invisible / minimized properties of the shortcut to cause the 
first program to not ever even be visible, which is what I was after.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/24/2011 4:49 PM, William Benson wrote:
> I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
> vba?
>
> TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
> On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
>> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
>> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
>> and off we go.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 12:10:44 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 10:10:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
Message-ID: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
 
 
 


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 16:10:43 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:10:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 16:45:20 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 14:45:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65B284E7EE1C4E56B7897C75635B070C@HAL9007>

William:

*** In line.  Thanks

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
*** Yes

Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
*** No - back end

Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
*** Tried that but no - same behavior

Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?
*** YES!!! SO now the old binary search to find out which it the offending
module, I guess.

Merry Christmas.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec 25 16:50:06 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 08:50:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It sounds like it is going into a loop because you are trying to do another save during a save.

What happens if you  get rid of the OnDirty event and  change the  Save button event to:

If Me.Dirty Then Me.Dirty = False

-- 
Stuart


On 25 Dec 2011 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 17:24:21 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 15:24:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <F68642AB9CD74DB8A12F234735387FB0@HAL9007>

No luck there.  Actually it was behaving badly before I put the save and on
dirty events in.  Gotta start deleting code and see what fixes it.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

It sounds like it is going into a loop because you are trying to do another
save during a save.

What happens if you  get rid of the OnDirty event and  change the  Save
button event to:

If Me.Dirty Then Me.Dirty = False

--
Stuart


On 25 Dec 2011 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The
form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form
seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves
the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go
to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this
record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this
machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the
same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an
undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 17:42:04 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 18:42:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F68642AB9CD74DB8A12F234735387FB0@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>	<4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<F68642AB9CD74DB8A12F234735387FB0@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <004d01ccc35e$cf3d6070$6db82150$@gmail.com>

I think of all the questions I asked, only the one about VBA code was worth
worrying about. I had misread another post online which had to do with
back-end freezing (this seems more like a front end issue). Anyway, here was
what I read:

http://bytes.com/topic/access/answers/828312-access-back-end-sometimes-freez
es


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

No luck there.  Actually it was behaving badly before I put the save and on
dirty events in.  Gotta start deleting code and see what fixes it.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

It sounds like it is going into a loop because you are trying to do another
save during a save.

What happens if you  get rid of the OnDirty event and  change the  Save
button event to:

If Me.Dirty Then Me.Dirty = False

--
Stuart


On 25 Dec 2011 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The
form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form
seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves
the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go
to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this
record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this
machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the
same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an
undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 17:56:42 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 15:56:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>

Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 

Thanks for the lead.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 18:52:27 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 19:52:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
	<86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>

Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
below.

Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer)
If Dirty Then
  If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
vbYes Then
    Cancel = True
  Else
    TimeStamp= Now()
     LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
  End If
End If
End Sub


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 

Thanks for the lead.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec 25 19:02:03 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:02:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>,
	<86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>,
	<004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF7C78B.19649.39014499@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Define "best".

It depends on the needs of the  application and what your users are used to.

Generally, my users understand and like the fact that changes to a record are "autosaved".  
If I don't want that behaviour, I give them a read-only form - what's the point of changing data 
if you don't want the changes saved?

-- 
Stuart

On 25 Dec 2011 at 19:52, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
> save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
> button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
> forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
> bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
> rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
> below.
> 
> Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer)
> If Dirty Then
>   If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
> vbYes Then
>     Cancel = True
>   Else
>     TimeStamp= Now()
>      LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
>   End If
> End If
> End Sub
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
> 
> Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
> Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
> date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
> BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 
> 
> Thanks for the lead.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> (VBACreations.Com)
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
> 
> Rocky
> Is it a multiuser database?
> Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
> Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
> that table instead of the table itself?
> Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
> 
> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 19:06:12 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:06:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com><86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
	<004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FCFC4FAE992F43B79F9DF4AFB0320C53@HAL9007>

I've done it both ways.  I've put Save buttons on the bound form and trapped
it when they try to move to a new record with a message "The record has
changed since you last saved it.  Save it now?".  Then, if no, Me.Undo.

Kind of depends on the user.  And the nature of the data.

In this case the data is fairly static, they have an Undo button, and they
learn pretty quickly that changes are permanent unless they click the Undo.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 4:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
below.

Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer) If Dirty Then
  If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
vbYes Then
    Cancel = True
  Else
    TimeStamp= Now()
     LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
  End If
End If
End Sub


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 

Thanks for the lead.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 21:15:42 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 22:15:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <FCFC4FAE992F43B79F9DF4AFB0320C53@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
	<86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
	<004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
	<FCFC4FAE992F43B79F9DF4AFB0320C53@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5pCA2bo5N6ax2hMV-7squX6YqsaTnmK0zjswWrR4z6iw@mail.gmail.com>

I would take the approach to prompt that if they continue they will lose
unsaved changes. If they say cancel then they cancel the move, if they say
ok then do the me.undo.

I would never erase the users work just because they didn't want to save
unless they agreed they wanted to DISCARD.

Same way GMAIL will work with this email. If I press my BACK key I will be
asked if I want to discard these changes. If I say cancel I am back to my
edits.  GOOGLE is more concerned with the bigger risk... losing unsaved
changes... than performing my BACK command.
On Dec 25, 2011 8:07 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I've done it both ways.  I've put Save buttons on the bound form and
> trapped
> it when they try to move to a new record with a message "The record has
> changed since you last saved it.  Save it now?".  Then, if no, Me.Undo.
>
> Kind of depends on the user.  And the nature of the data.
>
> In this case the data is fairly static, they have an Undo button, and they
> learn pretty quickly that changes are permanent unless they click the Undo.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> (VBACreations.Com)
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 4:52 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
> save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
> button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
> forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
> bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
> rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
> below.
>
> Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer) If Dirty Then
>  If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
> vbYes Then
>    Cancel = True
>  Else
>    TimeStamp= Now()
>     LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
>  End If
> End If
> End Sub
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
> Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
> date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed
> to
> BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer).
>
> Thanks for the lead.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> (VBACreations.Com)
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Rocky
> Is it a multiuser database?
> Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
> Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields
> from
> that table instead of the table itself?
> Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form
> seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves
> the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go
> to
> design view.
>
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this
> record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the
> same
> results.
>
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an
> undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 08:54:16 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:54:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <24A6411E-585B-4848-86BB-415F617B3AD6@phulse.com>
References: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>
	<24A6411E-585B-4848-86BB-415F617B3AD6@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1grDrxc+BmifqS8wYk_=5DhqJ9jU+jwzvCNW7djUTuc-A@mail.gmail.com>

Merry Christmas, a tad late (I've been sick) and Happy New Year to all.

Arthur

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

>
> Glaedelig jul og godt tub'aar. ;)
>
> - Hans
>
>
>
> On 2011-12-24, at 7:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > On this evening - Merry Christmas to all after another year with a lot
> of learning experiences and input at this list (and its sister lists) which
> still stands out from all the other fora you and I join.
> > Thanks to all!
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 11:01:16 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:01:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF736BA.1070505@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF736BA.1070505@colbyconsulting.com>
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This thread would appear to me to be about a subject addressed by my good
friend Dejan Sunderic, in his books about SQL Server, which contained a
chapter about inheriting databases. At the time it was a very novel idea,
even though at that time I was well-acquainted with O-O software. Building
on Dejan's lead, I investigated remodeling the modeldb database, and
including a number of oft-used databases, and this has worked even better
than I expected.

In SQL Server, the core model is called modeldb. What I ended up doing was
creating several different versions of this db, with names such as
modeldb_OE (order entry), modeldb_COA (chart of accounts), etc. -- each
based on modeldb but adding the tables of interest, so that simply by
renaming a couple of dbs and then issuing a Create New I had a whole bunch
of the core tables (transactions and lookups) instantly installed and
populated and ready to go.

Perhaps not an ideal solution, but it has worked for me. When doing an
Access db, I do it manually, importing tables and forms and queries from
databases whose content is isolated (e.g. Geography.mdb,
CustomersAndOrders.mdb, COA.mdb), but the key to making this work
coherently is precisely named, consistent columns in all the dbs -- it is
always called CustomerID, OrderID, OrderDetailsID, ProductID, CategoryID,
SupplierID, etc., and that never changes; may not need all of them, but
it's all predefined in the inheritable databases and it's always
consistent; that's the big trick).

I haven't automated this, as JC wants his solution to work. If I'm
"inheriting" from one Access db, say "CustomersAndOrders", it's incumbent
upon me to remember to "inherit" all the tables and relevant queries and
forms, and occasionally, modules. But force of habit causes few mistakes,
and upon discovery of one, it's pretty easy to return and grab the missing
object.

Anyway, Happy New Year to everyone on this list!
Arthur

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:44 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> William,
>
> What I am trying to do is have a shortcut open a program and keep it
> invisible.  That program copies a bunch of files, then opens a second
> program, whereupon the first program shuts down.
>
> The shortcut properties invisible / minimized cause the first program to
> never appear.  The first program puts up a "working, be patient" splash
> screen while it is opening the second program.
>
> Stuart's suggestion was to use the invisible / minimized properties of the
> shortcut to cause the first program to not ever even be visible, which is
> what I was after.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/24/2011 4:49 PM, William Benson wrote:
>
>> I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
>> vba?
>>
>> TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
>> On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
>>> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
>>> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
>>> and off we go.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 27 11:22:47 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:22:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Merry Christmas AccessD Members !
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Art - lack of season greatings...

I think it's been a "Bah Humbug" Christmas for Access and Excel developers.





From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Dec 27 12:26:05 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 22:26:05 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Copy_and_execute_from_Access?=
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gkXjOJkdRT4do2uOS6t0eBc9VPvZHgHcfCUdjO5L93w@mail.gmail.com>
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> Anyway, Happy New Year to everyone on this list!
Happy New Year Arthur and All!

-- Shamil


27 ??????? 2011, 21:02 ?? Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
> This thread would appear to me to be about a subject addressed by my good
> friend Dejan Sunderic, in his books about SQL Server, which contained a
> chapter about inheriting databases. At the time it was a very novel idea,
> even though at that time I was well-acquainted with O-O software. Building
> on Dejan's lead, I investigated remodeling the modeldb database, and
> including a number of oft-used databases, and this has worked even better
> than I expected.
> 
> In SQL Server, the core model is called modeldb. What I ended up doing was
> creating several different versions of this db, with names such as
> modeldb_OE (order entry), modeldb_COA (chart of accounts), etc. -- each
> based on modeldb but adding the tables of interest, so that simply by
> renaming a couple of dbs and then issuing a Create New I had a whole bunch
> of the core tables (transactions and lookups) instantly installed and
> populated and ready to go.
> 
> Perhaps not an ideal solution, but it has worked for me. When doing an
> Access db, I do it manually, importing tables and forms and queries from
> databases whose content is isolated (e.g. Geography.mdb,
> CustomersAndOrders.mdb, COA.mdb), but the key to making this work
> coherently is precisely named, consistent columns in all the dbs -- it is
> always called CustomerID, OrderID, OrderDetailsID, ProductID, CategoryID,
> SupplierID, etc., and that never changes; may not need all of them, but
> it's all predefined in the inheritable databases and it's always
> consistent; that's the big trick).
> 
> I haven't automated this, as JC wants his solution to work. If I'm
> "inheriting" from one Access db, say "CustomersAndOrders", it's incumbent
> upon me to remember to "inherit" all the tables and relevant queries and
> forms, and occasionally, modules. But force of habit causes few mistakes,
> and upon discovery of one, it's pretty easy to return and grab the missing
> object.
> 
> Anyway, Happy New Year to everyone on this list!
> Arthur
> 
<<< skipped >>>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 27 20:54:41 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:54:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EFA84F1.3090506@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
AfterUpdate.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Try this:
>
> Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
>      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> End Sub
>



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Dec 27 21:21:02 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:21:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EFA84F1.3090506@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4EFA84F1.3090506@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EFA8B1E.27502.43CD6174@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

.Value is the underlying "value" of the textbox.  It does not change during editing of the 
textbox. Only when the control loses focus.  It can be a string, a number or a Null.

.Text is the text string currently *displayed*  contents of the textbox, it changes as the content 
of the textbox is edited.  It is always a string.

Note that  because .Text is a string, even if the underlying data is a Null, .Text is not - it is an 
empty string (that's why the sample code tests for an empty string, not a null.)

-- 
Stuart


On 27 Dec 2011 at 21:54, jwcolby wrote:

> Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
> AfterUpdate.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > Try this:
> >
> > Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> >      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> > End Sub
> >
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 28 03:26:46 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:26:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
Message-ID: <sefaeefc.050@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

You may add that property Text is available only when the TextBox (or other type of control) has focus.

/gustav


>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 28-12-2011 04:21 >>>
.Value is the underlying "value" of the textbox.  It does not change during editing of the 
textbox. Only when the control loses focus.  It can be a string, a number or a Null.

.Text is the text string currently *displayed*  contents of the textbox, it changes as the content 
of the textbox is edited.  It is always a string.

Note that  because .Text is a string, even if the underlying data is a Null, .Text is not - it is an 
empty string (that's why the sample code tests for an empty string, not a null.)

-- 
Stuart


On 27 Dec 2011 at 21:54, jwcolby wrote:

> Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
> AfterUpdate.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > Try this:
> >
> > Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> >      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> > End Sub




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec 28 03:49:40 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:49:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <sefaeefc.050@cactus.dk>
References: <sefaeefc.050@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4EFAE634.18576.4531333B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Good point.

On 28 Dec 2011 at 10:26, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Stuart
> 
> You may add that property Text is available only when the TextBox (or other type of control) has focus.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 28-12-2011 04:21 >>>
> .Value is the underlying "value" of the textbox.  It does not change during editing of the 
> textbox. Only when the control loses focus.  It can be a string, a number or a Null.
> 
> .Text is the text string currently *displayed*  contents of the textbox, it changes as the content 
> of the textbox is edited.  It is always a string.
> 
> Note that  because .Text is a string, even if the underlying data is a Null, .Text is not - it is an 
> empty string (that's why the sample code tests for an empty string, not a null.)
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 27 Dec 2011 at 21:54, jwcolby wrote:
> 
> > Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
> > AfterUpdate.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > 
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> > 
> > On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > > Try this:
> > >
> > > Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> > >      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> > > End Sub
> 
> 
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> 





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 28 08:50:15 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:50:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ya just gotta love it
Message-ID: <4EFB2CA7.9080704@colbyconsulting.com>

On my workstation at the client I have Access2K and AccessXP (2002) installed.  Access 2002 is the 
one that opens if I just double click a database.

I have written this CopyAndRun application for copying the FE and libs to the user's workstation and 
opening it.  C&R uses office automation to open the file just copied.

This is the code which actually opens the application just copied.

Sub OpenApp(strFEToOpen As String)
Dim appAccess As Access.Application
     ' Create new instance of Microsoft Access.
     Set appAccess = CreateObject("Access.Application")
     ' Open database in Microsoft Access window.
     appAccess.OpenCurrentDatabase strFEToOpen
End Sub

One of the users has Access2K SP1 installed, and when he uses C&R it does in fact open the target 
app but it is hidden, i.e. there is an Access process in Task Manager Processes but Access is not 
listed in Applications.

So I try testing it with my system.  I use a shortcut to Access 2K (which has SP3) to directly open 
C&R.  I then click a test button which opens the target app.  When it opens it is running under 
Access 2002.  IOW even though the code above is running in Access 2K once the dust settles the 
target is running in Access XP.

Not ideal for testing eh?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 28 09:07:08 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:07:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Setting the program default application
Message-ID: <4EFB309C.7070908@colbyconsulting.com>

I thought that you could right click on an access database file, then Open with / Choose Program / 
Always use the selected program / browse / then find the program to use and select that and it would 
permanently modify the double click program used to open that file type.

That is not happening, in fact even as I select Access2K and do the open it immediately uses 
AccessXP to perform the open.

WTHO?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 10:13:39 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:13:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
In-Reply-To: <00a101ccbf6d$04a75f40$0df61dc0$@net>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<00a101ccbf6d$04a75f40$0df61dc0$@net>
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Thanks for the suggestion on how to write a better query. The extra records were caused by there being 11 records for each gas meter in the table GA_Details. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem

Dunno...the Where clause was not being utilized properly for one thing.
This will run much more efficiently....
I couldn't really pin-point the problem though.

SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
       scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
       [Volume] * 1000      AS Mcf,
       Sum([Volume]) * 1000 AS McfTest
FROM   (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
         INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master
           ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID =
scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
        INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
                    INNER JOIN (GA_Header
                                INNER JOIN GA_Details
                                  ON GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER)
                      ON ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date =
GA_Header.Sample_Date )
                         AND ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER =
GA_Header.METER ))
          ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
       INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes
       ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
WHERE  (GA_Details.UNIT = "PCT" ) AND ([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID )
= 362915) AND
       ( scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate  = #12 / 1 / 2011 # )

GROUP  BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
          scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
          [Volume] * 1000
ORDER  BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
>
> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf,
> Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID
> = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date)
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER))
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname
> = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915)
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
>
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
>
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
>
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as
> done by Access.
>
> Any thoughts appreciated.
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
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> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 10:24:49 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:24:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What might I be doing wrong?

Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 

Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
RecordDate	Gas Plant	Wagner	Cogdell
1/31/2011	35400		2834	
2/28/2011	25900		2400	
3/31/2011	33452		2500	
4/30/2011	46503		2891	
5/31/2011	24402		3746	
6/30/2011	15324		3557	
7/31/2011	14154		3765	
8/31/2011	25074		3715	
9/30/2011	24041		3456	
10/31/2011	24725		3593	
11/30/2011	25000		3468	

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

?
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.




From jedi at charm.net  Wed Dec 28 11:50:31 2011
From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:50:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Setting the program default application
In-Reply-To: <4EFB309C.7070908@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EFB309C.7070908@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1165.24.35.110.201.1325094631.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>

John, try Right-Click Properties | Change

You should see the actual application that is being used.  Here you can
implicitly change to whatever app you want.

Mike

> I thought that you could right click on an access database file, then Open
> with / Choose Program /
> Always use the selected program / browse / then find the program to use
> and select that and it would
> permanently modify the double click program used to open that file type.
>
> That is not happening, in fact even as I select Access2K and do the open
> it immediately uses
> AccessXP to perform the open.
>
> WTHO?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 12:02:41 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:02:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWbEeTXex=jUHkuviRmh1AjoKL5MFDco8t1N0KzhoGVATQ@mail.gmail.com>

What is it that you want to return when the EndDate is not greater than
RecordDate?

this is what is in the else portion:

Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report
Date Selector]![EndDate]


Think of an IIF as an IF Then Else:


IF [Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>Max([qry Monthly
Third Party Water]![RecordDate])
THEN Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])
Else Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
Report Date Selector]![EndDate]


On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query
> returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00
> for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What
> might I be doing wrong?
>
> Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
> Report Date Selector]![EndDate])
>
> Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
> RecordDate      Gas Plant       Wagner  Cogdell
> 1/31/2011       35400           2834
> 2/28/2011       25900           2400
> 3/31/2011       33452           2500
> 4/30/2011       46503           2891
> 5/31/2011       24402           3746
> 6/30/2011       15324           3557
> 7/31/2011       14154           3765
> 8/31/2011       25074           3715
> 9/30/2011       24041           3456
> 10/31/2011      24725           3593
> 11/30/2011      25000           3468
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Dec  1 04:11:42 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:11:42 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 ?Ice Cream Sandwich? on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-powered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......



From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Thu Dec  1 08:59:53 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:59:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com><4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Not if it includes this:

http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html

Rusty
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-powered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
> >>> Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
> >>> programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
> >>> to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
> >>>> multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
> >>>> mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
> >> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
> >> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  1 09:16:07 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 10:16:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com><4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <4ED79A37.70008@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, yea what a scandal! 8o

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 9:59 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> Not if it includes this:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html
>
> Rusty
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> Hi John at all,
>
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-powered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
>>>> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>>>>> Shamil,
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
>>>>> Droid
>>>> has wonderful voice
>>>>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
>>>>> programming
>>>> I pretty much type 99% the
>>>>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code
>>>>> to my
>>>> computer is something that is
>>>>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>>>>> Darryl --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
>>>>>> multi-touch
>>>> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>>>>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally
>>>>>> mounted
>>>> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
>>>> that's another technological revolution of the ways of
>>>> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>>>> communication with them...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>>>
> ......
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 10:41:22 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:41:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.

With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux a
lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually none.
That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
domination.

But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at say
$100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.

Jim
   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 11:05:18 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:05:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <71F8BD42B7C64BE1A2CEA7BC6A10C8E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The problem is that so far there is no way to remove it.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Not if it includes this:

http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html

Rusty
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
> >>> Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
> >>> programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
> >>> to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
> >>>> multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
> >>>> mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
> >> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
> >> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Dec  1 11:08:16 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:08:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>

I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
meant. Why? 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.



From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 11:09:07 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:09:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>

$400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
lots of places for under $200. $189 here

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5213938

Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
version of Professional is $139.99

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5213934

GK

2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> These are interesting times...
>
> A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
> cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
> and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
> go out and buy another piece of hardware.
>
> Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
> their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
> do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
> the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.
>
> With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
> directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux a
> lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually none.
> That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> domination.
>
> But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at say
> $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
> PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> Hi John at all,
>
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer" ?- Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
>> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>> >>> Shamil,
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice. ?My
> Droid
>> >> has wonderful voice
>> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive. ?IOW when I am
> programming
>> >> I pretty much type 99% the
>> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over. ?Dictating code to my
>> >> computer is something that is
>> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>> >>>
>> >>> John W. Colby
>> >>> Colby Consulting
>> >>>
>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> >>> when you do not believe in it
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>> >>>> Darryl --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> multi-touch
>> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
>> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
>> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
>> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>> >> communication with them...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -- Shamil
>> >>>>
> ......
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 12:00:33 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:00:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>

In all the box stores around here, Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy and even
Costco, the last price I saw (yesterday) was $379 plus taxes which puts it
up to about $420. 

There are upgrades from Pro versions to Ultimate versions which can be had
for a mere $189 plus tax; $210

You will have to send me one of these super cheap copies.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

$400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
lots of places for under $200. $189 here

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
213938

Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
version of Professional is $139.99

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
213934

GK

2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> These are interesting times...
>
> A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded
version
> cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows
preloaded
> and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having
to
> go out and buy another piece of hardware.
>
> Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux
in
> their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP
computers
> do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
> the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is
upgraded.
>
> With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
> directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux a
> lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually
none.
> That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> domination.
>
> But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
say
> $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
> PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> Hi John at all,
>
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer" ?- Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
>
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
>> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>> >>> Shamil,
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice. ?My
> Droid
>> >> has wonderful voice
>> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive. ?IOW when I am
> programming
>> >> I pretty much type 99% the
>> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over. ?Dictating code to
my
>> >> computer is something that is
>> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>> >>>
>> >>> John W. Colby
>> >>> Colby Consulting
>> >>>
>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> >>> when you do not believe in it
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>> >>>> Darryl --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> multi-touch
>> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
>> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
>> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
>> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>> >> communication with them...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -- Shamil
>> >>>>
> ......
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 12:08:39 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:08:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The client wants a full version of Office, word and excel for cheap and they
have been hearing how fast a Linux server is. Two years ago they would have
never said such a thing. Linux, if they even cared about it, was just for
geeks. Now they are asking. Android has changed all that.

I have not decided what to tell them yet but if dollars are a concern stick
with XP until you need new computers would be my first thought.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
meant. Why? 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 12:26:12 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:26:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWYUoG+-r5JXWQyRRO-OutcWnhMGuttYyAEJab=5+VG=jw@mail.gmail.com>

OEM versions are running 189 at New egg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100006907&isNodeId=1&Description=windows+7+ultimate&x=0&y=0


2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>

> In all the box stores around here, Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy and even
> Costco, the last price I saw (yesterday) was $379 plus taxes which puts it
> up to about $420.
>
> There are upgrades from Pro versions to Ultimate versions which can be had
> for a mere $189 plus tax; $210
>
> You will have to send me one of these super cheap copies.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> $400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
> lots of places for under $200. $189 here
>
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213938
>
> Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
> version of Professional is $139.99
>
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213934
>
> GK
>
> 2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > These are interesting times...
> >
> > A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded
> version
> > cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows
> preloaded
> > and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having
> to
> > go out and buy another piece of hardware.
> >
> > Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux
> in
> > their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP
> computers
> > do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
> > the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is
> upgraded.
> >
> > With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
> > directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux
> a
> > lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually
> none.
> > That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> > domination.
> >
> > But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
> say
> > $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying
> the
> > PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> > Shamil
> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> >
> > Hi John at all,
> >
> > How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
> > Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> >
> >
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> > ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> >
> > -- Shamil
> >
> >
> >> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >> >>> Shamil,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
> > Droid
> >> >> has wonderful voice
> >> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
> > programming
> >> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code to
> my
> >> >> computer is something that is
> >> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> John W. Colby
> >> >>> Colby Consulting
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >> >>>> Darryl --
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> > multi-touch
> >> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
> >> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
> that's
> >> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
> >> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> >> communication with them...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thank you.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -- Shamil
> >> >>>>
> > ......
> >
> > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
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>
>
>
> --
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> garykjos at gmail.com
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 13:00:51 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:00:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWYUoG+-r5JXWQyRRO-OutcWnhMGuttYyAEJab=5+VG=jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAMhYZWYUoG+-r5JXWQyRRO-OutcWnhMGuttYyAEJab=5+VG=jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iXh3yPk_-kAV4KFJ86iLHzQBGmhQWVmri98ecqDLAwiA@mail.gmail.com>

Assuming the availability of a big backup disk (very cheap now, 1TB for
less than $100), then I'd opt for DriveImaging the Win 7 boot disk and then
replacing the OS with Linux Mint 12 or Ubuntu 11.10, and after that
mounging XP and/or Win7 as VMs inside Oracle VirtualBox. In fact that is
precisely my plan to execute over the Christmas holidays. I'm still
teaching myself C#, with the help of several books, and that's one VM;
another is dedicated to my sole remaining Access+Word+Excel=Office
Automation client, and there's an Ubuntu VM too. I don't run them all at
once, of course; just when I need to or want to.

BTW, I think that Mint 12 is pretty slick!
A.


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Dec  1 13:32:27 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:32:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <71F8BD42B7C64BE1A2CEA7BC6A10C8E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<71F8BD42B7C64BE1A2CEA7BC6A10C8E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <89550E0E-8934-434E-A641-5D240C07C51E@phulse.com>

That's not strictly true. There is a popular alternative firmware of android (or "distro", I suppose you could call it) called cyanogenmod (http://www.cyanogenmod.com/). It should be fairly trivial on many android phones (or most?) to install this alternative, clean firmware and it frees your phone from vendor specific nastiness (funny how android vendors are following the same path as the pc world with HP style software bundling) plus throws in a bunch of nice features on top of that.

The only problem is that it is still only using gingerbread. They are working on an icecream sandwich version now tho.

I hear a lot of android users raving on about it, so it seems to have a popular support, and it's free & open source.

There's a list of devices that it supports on its wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod

Happy jail breaking.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen

-- Sent from my iPad






On 1 Dec 2011, at 09:05, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> The problem is that so far there is no way to remove it.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Not if it includes this:
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Hi John at all,
> 
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> 
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
>>>> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>>>>> Shamil,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
>>>>> Droid
>>>> has wonderful voice
>>>>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
>>>>> programming
>>>> I pretty much type 99% the
>>>>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
>>>>> to my
>>>> computer is something that is
>>>>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>>>>> Darryl --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
>>>>>> multi-touch
>>>> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>>>>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
>>>>>> mounted
>>>> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
>>>> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
>>>> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
> gestures and voice...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>>>> communication with them...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>>> 
> ......
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Dec  1 15:11:18 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:11:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <18C283CC3E1F4FC4BFA7C65B0F656D8A@XPS>

<<But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
say
$100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.>>

 The problem with them doing that is you don't end up buying new hardware
then.

 Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

<<Snip>>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  1 15:43:19 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:43:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>

When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the 
same thing?
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>
> Will download and have a look.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents.  Of course the copy is very light.  Is it possible to darken the washed out text with Paint.net without also darkening the background.  IOW increase the contrast but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
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>
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  1 15:59:09 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:59:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <000601ccb074$74bab5f0$5e3021d0$@net>

The "ultimate" question: difference between it and the Pro version ?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 1:01 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> In all the box stores around here, Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy and
> even
> Costco, the last price I saw (yesterday) was $379 plus taxes which puts
> it
> up to about $420.
>
> There are upgrades from Pro versions to Ultimate versions which can be
> had
> for a mere $189 plus tax; $210
>
> You will have to send me one of these super cheap copies.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> $400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
> lots of places for under $200. $189 here
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-
> details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213938
>
> Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
> version of Professional is $139.99
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-
> details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213934
>
> GK
>
> 2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > These are interesting times...
> >
> > A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded
> version
> > cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows
> preloaded
> > and now people are seriously looking at other options than always
> having
> to
> > go out and buy another piece of hardware.
> >
> > Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install
> Linux
> in
> > their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP
> computers
> > do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their
> case
> > the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is
> upgraded.
> >
> > With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will
> it
> > directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives
> Linux a
> > lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually
> none.
> > That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> > domination.
> >
> > But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows
> at
> say
> > $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be
> annoying the
> > PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Salakhetdinov
> > Shamil
> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> >
> > Hi John at all,
> >
> > How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer" ?- Android 4.0
> "Ice
> > Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> >
> >
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-
> android-pow
> > ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> >
> > -- Shamil
> >
> >
> >> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >> >>> Shamil,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.
> ?My
> > Droid
> >> >> has wonderful voice
> >> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive. ?IOW when I am
> > programming
> >> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over. ?Dictating code
> to
> my
> >> >> computer is something that is
> >> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> John W. Colby
> >> >>> Colby Consulting
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >> >>>> Darryl --
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> > multi-touch
> >> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using
> mouse...
> >> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally
> mounted
> >> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
> that's
> >> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating
> with
> >> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and
> voice...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and
> 3D
> >> >> communication with them...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thank you.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -- Shamil
> >> >>>>
> > ......
> >
> > --
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> >
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>
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>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  1 16:02:29 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:02:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4ED7F975.7010407@colbyconsulting.com>

Not to my knowledge.

http://www.paint.net/


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 4:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP. Are they the same thing?
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>> Ditto, but it looks very nice. We use GIMP at work, but this (at a glance) looks better. Nice one
>> ! :) thanks.
>>
>> Will download and have a look.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>> Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents. Of course the copy is very light. Is
>> it possible to darken the washed out text with Paint.net without also darkening the background.
>> IOW increase the contrast but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
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>>
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>>
>>
>>



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 16:03:50 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:03:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
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Try http://www.getpaint.net/index.html

Doug

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the
> same thing?
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
>
> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>
>> Will download and have a look.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[mailto:
>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents.  Of course
>> the copy is very light.  Is it possible to darken the washed out text with
>> Paint.net without also darkening the background.  IOW increase the contrast
>> but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>
>>
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>


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 17:00:12 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:00:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>

The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> When I try to find paint.net
>
> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>
>> Will download and have a look.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>>


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Dec  1 17:01:28 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:01:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED7F975.7010407@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<4ED7F975.7010407@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <8F312CA6-84B6-4AEA-954B-372468762FE4@phulse.com>


Paint.Net started as a little home project (in 2004) in learning the .NET Framework around the time that Microsoft was really starting to hype .NET. It eventually evolved into a sort of showcase and proof-of-concept of a decent and strictly .NET application.

The Gimp has a much longer history, beginning in the mid 90's, as an image editor on Unix.

The main difference between the two is that the Gimp has more advanced features and also is cross platform (Windows, Linux, Mac).

Paint.Net isn't quite as feature rich and only runs on Windows (I guess Windows XP and above, if you have .NET installed), but it also has more eye candy and a flashier interface (which can be a bit distracting in my opinion though).

Popularity-wise, I'd have to say that the Gimp has a bigger user base, but thats not saying much since they are both vastly dwarfed by Photoshop.

- Hans


On 2011-12-01, at 2:02 PM, jwcolby wrote:

> Not to my knowledge.
> 
> http://www.paint.net/
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/1/2011 4:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP. Are they the same thing?
>> T
>> 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>> Ditto, but it looks very nice. We use GIMP at work, but this (at a glance) looks better. Nice one
>>> ! :) thanks.
>>> 
>>> Will download and have a look.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Darryl.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Jim Lawrence
>>> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>> 
>>> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>> 
>>> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents. Of course the copy is very light. Is
>>> it possible to darken the washed out text with Paint.net without also darkening the background.
>>> IOW increase the contrast but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>> 
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 17:09:11 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:09:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <89550E0E-8934-434E-A641-5D240C07C51E@phulse.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<71F8BD42B7C64BE1A2CEA7BC6A10C8E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<89550E0E-8934-434E-A641-5D240C07C51E@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <776135A40CBB4EC1B10997D95CFA09BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Here is a vid on how to go through the steps to install the latest
'gingerbread' cyanogenmod 7 update. It does not even require the product to
be 'unlocked' which in some cases invalidates the operator/Cell Service
Provider agreement. The modification is also not in violation of Google's
agreement with reference to proprietary components...if you do have those
new components, they can backed up and restored without violating any
licensing agreements. (I have not looked up the methods to properly backup
and restore proprietary components, yet.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3thA9OWQc8

Sorry, to say there is not an 'ice-cream sandwich' version available, yet
but, in most cases, unless you have the latest hardware, there are
insufficient resources to install and run that version.
 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

That's not strictly true. There is a popular alternative firmware of android
(or "distro", I suppose you could call it) called cyanogenmod
(http://www.cyanogenmod.com/). It should be fairly trivial on many android
phones (or most?) to install this alternative, clean firmware and it frees
your phone from vendor specific nastiness (funny how android vendors are
following the same path as the pc world with HP style software bundling)
plus throws in a bunch of nice features on top of that.

The only problem is that it is still only using gingerbread. They are
working on an icecream sandwich version now tho.

I hear a lot of android users raving on about it, so it seems to have a
popular support, and it's free & open source.

There's a list of devices that it supports on its wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod

Happy jail breaking.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen

-- Sent from my iPad






On 1 Dec 2011, at 09:05, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> The problem is that so far there is no way to remove it.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Not if it includes this:
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Hi John at all,
> 
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> 
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
>>>> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>>>>> Shamil,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
>>>>> Droid
>>>> has wonderful voice
>>>>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
>>>>> programming
>>>> I pretty much type 99% the
>>>>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
>>>>> to my
>>>> computer is something that is
>>>>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>>>>> Darryl --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
>>>>>> multi-touch
>>>> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>>>>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
>>>>>> mounted
>>>> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
>>>> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
>>>> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
> gestures and voice...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>>>> communication with them...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>>> 
> ......
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 17:12:57 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:12:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <18C283CC3E1F4FC4BFA7C65B0F656D8A@XPS>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<18C283CC3E1F4FC4BFA7C65B0F656D8A@XPS>
Message-ID: <A232AEE3C579423180EE73AECC8819BB@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Of course, so lowering the price of their separate or non-OEM packages would
not adversely affect their OEM hardware distributors, as the user would most
likely have to buy new hardware anyway.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

<<But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
say
$100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.>>

 The problem with them doing that is you don't end up buying new hardware
then.

 Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

<<Snip>>

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  1 17:20:53 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:20:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>

Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the 
same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by 
following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near 
the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to 
click the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this 
journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>
>> When I try to find paint.net
>>
>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>
>>> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>
>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Darryl.
>>>
>>>


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 17:28:32 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:28:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>

I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near the
> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>>
>>  When I try to find paint.net
>>>
>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Darryl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
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>


From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Thu Dec  1 17:44:07 2011
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:44:07 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>

I think this is just a case of a really poor and confusing website layout 
design.

The bit towards the top right, where it says:
"Get it now (free download)
Paint.NET v 3.5.10"
... that's the bit that is relevant to the Paint.Net download.

The big button underneath that, green, with "Download" - that's part of a 
big square advertisement that (for me at the moment) relates to FoxTab PDF 
Creator.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Doug Steele
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net

I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near 
> the
> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>>
>>  When I try to find paint.net
>>>
>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Darryl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec  1 18:55:20 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:55:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] FW: FW:  Windows 8
Message-ID: <BCCE4AA38F4747E8882A3ECD29B3EA79@HAL9007>

>From my son. 
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

  _____  

From: Noah Sutton-Smolin [mailto:heedleblambeedle at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:13 PM
To: Rocky Smolin
Subject: Re: FW: [AccessD] Windows 8


Droid X is CIQ-Free 

2011/12/1 Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>


Does your phone run Carrier IQ in the background?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Not if it includes this:

http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
<http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-po
wered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101> 
ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
> >>> Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
> >>> programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code
> >>> to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> >>>> multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally
> >>>> mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
> >> that's another technological revolution of the ways of
> >> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  2 06:00:32 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:00:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@t
	orchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com><CAFa8NkhP=gAh
	BLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <4ED8BDE0.7000702@torchlake.com>

Steve,
You're right.  I left out that part, didn't I?  ALMOST all the big green 
arrows were for GIMP, but one, right under the Paint.NET real link was 
another big green arrow for FoxTab PDF Creator.  I agree with you that 
the website layout is poor and confusing.  But, as I said, I persevered 
and finally got Paint.net.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/1/2011 6:44 PM, Steve Schapel wrote:
> I think this is just a case of a really poor and confusing website 
> layout design.
>
> The bit towards the top right, where it says:
> "Get it now (free download)
> Paint.NET v 3.5.10"
> ... that's the bit that is relevant to the Paint.Net download.
>
> The big button underneath that, green, with "Download" - that's part 
> of a big square advertisement that (for me at the moment) relates to 
> FoxTab PDF Creator.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Doug Steele
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
>> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
>> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table 
>> near the
>> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to 
>> click
>> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
>> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a 
>>> site
>>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  When I try to find paint.net
>>>>
>>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>>> T
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Darryl.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> 
>>
>> Website: 
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  2 06:02:02 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:02:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@t
	orchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8BE3A.4030002@torchlake.com>

Hi Doug,
Yes, that is the site they point to.  It's just really badly laid out.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/1/2011 6:28 PM, Doug Steele wrote:
> I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>
>> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
>> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
>> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near the
>> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
>> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
>> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   When I try to find paint.net
>>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>>> T
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Darryl.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   --
>> AccessD mailing list
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  2 06:40:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:40:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>

This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download someone else's program.  they 
apparently get paid for clicks so they intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally make 
the big green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few cents of you go there, 
even if you just immediately click your back button.

Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the same place where all the big
> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the
> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click the free
> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.
> What a strange experience.
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  2 06:40:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:40:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <4ED8C743.40302@colbyconsulting.com>

No, I think it is intentional.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 6:44 PM, Steve Schapel wrote:
> I think this is just a case of a really poor and confusing website layout design.
>
> The bit towards the top right, where it says:
> "Get it now (free download)
> Paint.NET v 3.5.10"
> ... that's the bit that is relevant to the Paint.Net download.
>
> The big button underneath that, green, with "Download" - that's part of a big square advertisement
> that (for me at the moment) relates to FoxTab PDF Creator.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Doug Steele
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> I see what you mean. The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
>> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP. However, by
>> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near the
>> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
>> the free link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the
>> big green arrows all were for GIMP. What a strange experience.
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>>> that WOT is less than thrilled with. What's going on?
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> When I try to find paint.net
>>>>
>>>> for download, I find GIMP. Are they the same thing?
>>>> T
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ditto, but it looks very nice. We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>>> glance) looks better. Nice one ! :) thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Darryl.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  2 07:03:38 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:03:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
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	<4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>

What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download 
> someone else's program.  they apparently get paid for clicks so they 
> intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally make the big 
> green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few 
> cents of you go there, even if you just immediately click your back 
> button.
>
> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to 
>> the same place where all the big
>> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and 
>> clicking on the dotpdn button in the
>> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where 
>> small text says to click the free
>> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big 
>> green arrows all were for GIMP.
>> What a strange experience.
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  2 07:22:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:22:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4
	_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8D113.4070204@colbyconsulting.com>

 > What a goofy way to make a living! :-)

LOL, yep.  Most of the time the text next to the big green button clearly states that it is for some 
other program but we are at that page to download some specific thing and out brain just tells us 
that nobody is intentionally going to try and trick us.

Well guess what, someone is PAID to trick us.

I find the whole thing extremely annoying.  It usually takes a fair amount of time to figure out 
where to click to actually get what you want.  Often times when you finally do discover the right 
place to click, it takes you to another page where the process begins all over.

Paying anyone for clicks on their page that send people to my page breeds all kinds of scams but 
that is the way the internet works.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/2/2011 8:03 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download someone else's program. they
>> apparently get paid for clicks so they intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally
>> make the big green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few cents of you go
>> there, even if you just immediately click your back button.
>>
>> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the same place where all the big
>>> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the
>>> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click the free
>>> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.
>>> What a strange experience.
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Dec  2 07:28:40 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 05:28:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED8D113.4070204@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com> <CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4
	_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
	<4ED8D113.4070204@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <D98C7389-E685-4017-9FCC-5786AF04EF44@phulse.com>

Maybe the website operators aren't aware of it and the ads are being delivered by a third party ad network?

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 2 Dec 2011, at 05:22, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> > What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
> 
> LOL, yep.  Most of the time the text next to the big green button clearly states that it is for some other program but we are at that page to download some specific thing and out brain just tells us that nobody is intentionally going to try and trick us.
> 
> Well guess what, someone is PAID to trick us.
> 
> I find the whole thing extremely annoying.  It usually takes a fair amount of time to figure out where to click to actually get what you want.  Often times when you finally do discover the right place to click, it takes you to another page where the process begins all over.
> 
> Paying anyone for clicks on their page that send people to my page breeds all kinds of scams but that is the way the internet works.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/2/2011 8:03 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
>> T
>> 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>>> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download someone else's program. they
>>> apparently get paid for clicks so they intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally
>>> make the big green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few cents of you go
>>> there, even if you just immediately click your back button.
>>> 
>>> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>>> 
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>> 
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>> 
>>> On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the same place where all the big
>>>> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the
>>>> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click the free
>>>> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.
>>>> What a strange experience.
>>>> T
>>>> 
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 07:45:49 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:45:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com><4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <B6F0A8BAA7D14FB58571DF02F7AC1F30@SusanHarkins>

Passive income... the best kind! ;) 

I'll click for food... 

Susan H. 


> What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> 
> On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download 
>> someone else's program.  they apparently get paid for clicks so they 
>> intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally make the big 
>> green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few 
>> cents of you go there, even if you just immediately click your back 
>> button.
>>
>> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>>



From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 08:34:40 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:34:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>

Most of our machines are work are still running XP and Office 2003.
Works fine until you hit the row limits in Excel or something.   I've
never been a fan of upgrading operating systems - well not since the
DOS days anyway. The hardware requirements go up with each new version
and so you are usually not as happy with the new OS on old hardware as
you would be with the New OS on New hardware. With the price of
hardware as low as it is now I thinik it's a better choice to just
replace the enter box OS and all. If you need to upgrade at all that
is. The question is, what do they need to do that they can't do now?

GK

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> The client wants a full version of Office, word and excel for cheap and they
> have been hearing how fast a Linux server is. Two years ago they would have
> never said such a thing. Linux, if they even cared about it, was just for
> geeks. Now they are asking. Android has changed all that.
>
> I have not decided what to tell them yet but if dollars are a concern stick
> with XP until you need new computers would be my first thought.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:08 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
> meant. Why?

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  2 10:27:51 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:27:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem
Message-ID: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>

I have had occasion to create custom spread sheets from access table data
where TransferSpreadsheet wouldn't work.
 
After all of the rows have been written, I use: 
 
objXLWS.Columns("A:U").Columns.AutoFit 
 
and all of the columns automagically adjust their widths to fit the data so
when the user opens it up it looks real pretty and all the data is displayed
- column set to the width of the longest value in the column - but without a
lot of white space which you'd get if you tried to guess the column width
needed.
 
HTH somebody
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  2 10:29:04 2011
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:29:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Company name matching/standardization
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>,
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>,
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>,
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>


Hello All,
 
Anyone done any matching or standardization routines around company names?
 
Thanks,
 
Mark M.
 		 	   		  

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 10:33:29 2011
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:33:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Company name matching/standardization
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAsLj-SBOF8B-cX2VJrJbcmVoF6zQSoEOTjCZV5v2qYkOw@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

Can you give a little more info? What's the context? Are you looking for
Address etc.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> Hello All,
>
> Anyone done any matching or standardization routines around company names?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark M.
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Dec  2 12:24:38 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:24:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5441C45C-DD66-46D4-A008-B2841A18393C@phulse.com>



Not to mention the massive pollution to the environment by simply discarding computer hardware just to get that new upgrade to something new or run the latest version of Windows. It would be far better to recycle and repurpose computers you presently own, if you plan to upgrade your main desktop (ie. put linux on it or turn it into a media or web server or something like that), or give it away to someone else who can make use of it.

This is an oft neglected subject, simply because all the waste gets exported halfway across the world, where we don't have to see or deal with the effects of it ourselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMOAWW6I0k

- Hans






On 2011-12-02, at 6:34 AM, Gary Kjos wrote:

> Most of our machines are work are still running XP and Office 2003.
> Works fine until you hit the row limits in Excel or something.   I've
> never been a fan of upgrading operating systems - well not since the
> DOS days anyway. The hardware requirements go up with each new version
> and so you are usually not as happy with the new OS on old hardware as
> you would be with the New OS on New hardware. With the price of
> hardware as low as it is now I thinik it's a better choice to just
> replace the enter box OS and all. If you need to upgrade at all that
> is. The question is, what do they need to do that they can't do now?
> 
> GK
> 
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> The client wants a full version of Office, word and excel for cheap and they
>> have been hearing how fast a Linux server is. Two years ago they would have
>> never said such a thing. Linux, if they even cared about it, was just for
>> geeks. Now they are asking. Android has changed all that.
>> 
>> I have not decided what to tell them yet but if dollars are a concern stick
>> with XP until you need new computers would be my first thought.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:08 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>> 
>> I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
>> meant. Why?
> 
> -- 
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From edzedz at comcast.net  Fri Dec  2 12:47:22 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:47:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
Message-ID: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>

 
 Does anyone know where I can find some good name
 matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
 I can look into ?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Ed Zuris.
 edzedz at comcast.net
 
 
 


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 12:51:51 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:51:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>

I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 12:55:53 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:55:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem
In-Reply-To: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>
References: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_cg-CJD76FAcJTTz1bY4pZO3igQ-1NWbGPTKyBvQfEVg@mail.gmail.com>

Just curious.  What happens if one of the fields is a memo field?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I have had occasion to create custom spread sheets from access table data
> where TransferSpreadsheet wouldn't work.
>
> After all of the rows have been written, I use:
>
> objXLWS.Columns("A:U").Columns.AutoFit
>
> and all of the columns automagically adjust their widths to fit the data so
> when the user opens it up it looks real pretty and all the data is
> displayed
> - column set to the width of the longest value in the column - but without
> a
> lot of white space which you'd get if you tried to guess the column width
> needed.
>
> HTH somebody
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
>
> <http://www.bchacc.com/
>
> >
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/
>
> >
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>


From edzedz at comcast.net  Fri Dec  2 13:33:21 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:33:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>



 It might be.

 Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?

 Thanks.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
for?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 13:52:55 2011
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 14:52:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAsDMjt+e8ub5N14dv0Bm-pYNmWAaEc1PGY4kri1J9jQ6g@mail.gmail.com>

See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  2 13:55:48 2011
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 19:55:48 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Company name matching/standardization
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAsLj-SBOF8B-cX2VJrJbcmVoF6zQSoEOTjCZV5v2qYkOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>,
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>,
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>,
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>,
	<CAKvidAsLj-SBOF8B-cX2VJrJbcmVoF6zQSoEOTjCZV5v2qYkOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W53D40A2FDFFA6BA9A61EF0D2B60@phx.gbl>


Address standardization is everywhere...we us the postal service.
 
Even the first/last name is covered.
 
I'm specifically looking for company/business names.  I have found a few packages/services online...I was just wondering if anyone had any experience working with or writing VBA/SQL to accomplish something like this.
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte 
 

> From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:33:29 -0500
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Company name matching/standardization
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Can you give a little more info? What's the context? Are you looking for
> Address etc.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com>wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Anyone done any matching or standardization routines around company names?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark M.
> >
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec  2 14:02:12 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 15:02:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <001e01ccb12d$4864ec00$d92ec400$@net>

Ed - I once had a project to convert mis-spelled names and typical aliases
to a "standard name".
This client had inconsistent data coming from multiple sources. It had to be
consolidated.
It was pretty simple actually. I built a cross-reference table that
associated all alias's and mis-spellings to a single reference name.
Every month we'd run the matching process I developed, find more "drop outs"
(reference names with no matches),
And then just add them to the cross-reference table and re-run the reports.
I did this in Excel, but definitely doable in Access with a single table.

That's a table-driven approach.
Now if you want something more elegant and heuristic,
ask those two guys who started this small company with a funny name that
begins with a G.
They're pretty good at matching-up words.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:47 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
>
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Fri Dec  2 14:10:21 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:10:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <001e01ccb12d$4864ec00$d92ec400$@net>
Message-ID: <000b01ccb12e$6b974730$5bdea8c0@edz1>



 Thanks. . .


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


Ed - I once had a project to convert mis-spelled names and typical
aliases to a "standard name". This client had inconsistent data coming
from multiple sources. It had to be consolidated. It was pretty simple
actually. I built a cross-reference table that associated all alias's
and mis-spellings to a single reference name. Every month we'd run the
matching process I developed, find more "drop outs" (reference names
with no matches), And then just add them to the cross-reference table
and re-run the reports. I did this in Excel, but definitely doable in
Access with a single table.

That's a table-driven approach.
Now if you want something more elegant and heuristic,
ask those two guys who started this small company with a funny name that
begins with a G. They're pretty good at matching-up words.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:47 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 15:23:34 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:23:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_gpXG3Wa533kTCrHE2uwZdWUKExOgvd58msfoAeLeE3Q@mail.gmail.com>

http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html


Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  2 15:31:30 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:31:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_cg-CJD76FAcJTTz1bY4pZO3igQ-1NWbGPTKyBvQfEVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>
	<CAH+Met_cg-CJD76FAcJTTz1bY4pZO3igQ-1NWbGPTKyBvQfEVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCAFC687D88C469E91D6F95374550A88@HAL9007>

Don't know.  Never had an occasion to export a memo field.  I've had some
very long test fields which made the column width unwieldy.  So after that
statement I adjust the long field to something reasonable and turn on the
word wrap.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem

Just curious.  What happens if one of the fields is a memo field?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I have had occasion to create custom spread sheets from access table 
> data where TransferSpreadsheet wouldn't work.
>
> After all of the rows have been written, I use:
>
> objXLWS.Columns("A:U").Columns.AutoFit
>
> and all of the columns automagically adjust their widths to fit the 
> data so when the user opens it up it looks real pretty and all the 
> data is displayed
> - column set to the width of the longest value in the column - but 
> without a lot of white space which you'd get if you tried to guess the 
> column width needed.
>
> HTH somebody
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
>
> <http://www.bchacc.com/
>
> >
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/
>
> >
> Skype: rocky.smolin
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec  2 15:48:50 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:48:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
Message-ID: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Of course, most old hardware won't do.

But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600 with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly. 

It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>

 Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.

Jim. 




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  2 16:04:12 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:04:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

There wa a recent discussion on one of the LinkedIn Access forums about optimising a 
"fuzzy matching"  function.   Final Test code is here:
http://code.google.com/p/fast-vba-fuzzy-scoring-algorithm/source/browse/trunk/Fuzzy2

Try the HotFuzz() function at the end.  

I think I may have also have some Levenshtein distance code sitting around somewhere.  I 
will have a dig around.


-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 11:47, Edward Zuris wrote:

>  
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>  
>  Thanks.
>  
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>  
>  
>  
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  2 16:07:18 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:07:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.

-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  2 16:48:48 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:48:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4ED955D0.31652.7CBE789@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

> On 2 Dec 2011 at 11:47, Edward Zuris wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >  
> >  Thanks.
> >  
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >  

Function LevenshteinDistance(phrase1 As String, phrase2 As String) As Long
'Calculates the minimum number of edits required to transform
'Phrase1 into Phrase2 using addition, deletion, and substitution of characters
'Case insensitive
Dim str1() As String
Dim str2() As String
Dim dist() As Long
Dim lngLen1 As Long
Dim lngLen2 As Long
Dim i As Long
Dim j As Long
Dim k As Long
Dim a(2) As Long
Dim r As Long
Dim cost As Long
   lngLen1 = Len(phrase1)
   lngLen2 = Len(phrase2)
   ReDim str1(lngLen1)
   ReDim str2(lngLen2)
   ReDim dist(lngLen1, lngLen2)

   For i = 1 To lngLen1
       str1(i) = UCase$(Mid$(phrase1, i, 1))
   Next
   For i = 1 To lngLen2
       str2(i) = UCase$(Mid$(phrase2, i, 1))
   Next
   For i = 0 To lngLen1
       dist(i, 0) = i
   Next
   For j = 0 To lngLen2
       dist(0, j) = j
   Next
   For i = 1 To lngLen1
       For j = 1 To lngLen2
           If str1(i) = str2(j) Then
               cost = 0
           Else
               cost = 1
           End If
           a(0) = dist(i - 1, j) + 1             '' deletion
           a(1) = dist(i, j - 1) + 1             '' insertion
           a(2) = dist(i - 1, j - 1) + cost      '' substitution
           r = a(0)
           For k = 1 To UBound(a)
               If a(k) < r Then r = a(k)
           Next
           dist(i, j) = r
       Next
   Next
   LevenshteinDistance = dist(lngLen1, lngLen2)
End Function




From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec  2 17:50:19 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 03:50:19 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
References: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <E1RWcrz-0000WH-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f69.mail.ru>

Hi Gustav --

Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...

And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning WP7 development...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
> Hi Jim
> 
> Of course, most old hardware won't do.
> 
> But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600 with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
> 
> It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>
> 
>  Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
> 
> Jim.
> 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Dec  3 09:21:24 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:21:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1RWcrz-0000WH-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f69.mail.ru>
References: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
	<E1RWcrz-0000WH-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f69.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <591BD9DBEA5E4256B8EBECFC66083908@XPS>


 It's the memory that's the kicker.  Six years ago, the 2 and 3 GB machines
you are describing would have been considered higher end machines; not the
typical entry level machines that most businesses put in place.

 In fact if you remember when Vista came out, the big stink was that
Microsoft said flat out "buy new hardware" if you wanted to use all the
features (it was more then memory, but memory was a good part of it).  Many
at that time asked if Vista was even worth the upgrade price considering you
could not use most of the new features if you didn't get new hardware.

 Win 7 is a far better OS then Vista and is what Vista should have been, but
it's still something I would not consider running on anything less then 2GB.

 I have clients that have fallen behind on five year replacement cycles and
have systems running from .5 GB to 1.5GB.   Even with XP, that's a stretch.
And yes I know memory is cheap, but in many cases the MB is maxed out and
upgrading is not possible.  Replacing the station as a whole is the best
approach, but they've held off.

 Thankfully most of them are caught up now, but I still have a few
stragglers.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 06:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi Gustav --

Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop
Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...

And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while
debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and
XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning
WP7 development...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
> Hi Jim
> 
> Of course, most old hardware won't do.
> 
> But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion
zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600
with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
> 
> It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>
> 
>  Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
> 
> Jim.
> 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Dec  3 09:43:49 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:43:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED955D0.31652.7CBE789@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4ED955D0.31652.7CBE789@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <006f01ccb1d2$5a050a30$0e0f1e90$@net>

Extremely interesting. Does GOOGLE use this or a proprietary variant I
wonder ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levenshtein_distance





From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 11:38:15 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:38:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Better solutions ?

 Please share.


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.

-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 11:40:30 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:40:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000701ccb1e2$a7124760$5bdea8c0@edz1>



 Thanks. . .

 Will look into the HotFuzz() function at the end.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


There wa a recent discussion on one of the LinkedIn Access forums about
optimising a 
"fuzzy matching"  function.   Final Test code is here:
http://code.google.com/p/fast-vba-fuzzy-scoring-algorithm/source/browse/
trunk/Fuzzy2

Try the HotFuzz() function at the end.  

I think I may have also have some Levenshtein distance code sitting
around somewhere.  I 
will have a dig around.


-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 11:47, Edward Zuris wrote:

>  
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>  
>  Thanks.
>  
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>  
>  
>  
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 12:12:40 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:12:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_gpXG3Wa533kTCrHE2uwZdWUKExOgvd58msfoAeLeE3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01ccb1e7$2575a350$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Thanks.

  http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html


Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 12:14:43 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:14:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAsDMjt+e8ub5N14dv0Bm-pYNmWAaEc1PGY4kri1J9jQ6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01ccb1e7$6ed6bbb0$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Thanks Jack.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack
drawbridge
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Dec  3 13:50:12 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:50:12 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <591BD9DBEA5E4256B8EBECFC66083908@XPS>
References: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
	<E1RWcrz-0000WH-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f69.mail.ru>
	<591BD9DBEA5E4256B8EBECFC66083908@XPS>
Message-ID: <E1RWvbA-00054T-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f39.mail.ru>

Hi Jim --

Yes, I do remember Vista - I have used it with the same laptop I mentioned with 2GB RAM for more than four years.  :)
I've changed/enlarged HDD, added 1GB of memory and installed Win 7 this summer only.
This five years old PC is not good enough for full scale Windows Phone7.1  Development and it can't be used at all for SharePoint Development but other VS2010 SP1 project types development proceed smoothly on this PC, and MS Office 2010 "flies" on it.

Yes, you're right  "memory is the kicker" but for end-user systems 1.5 GB and even 1GB should be good enough for Win 7 I suppose.
2GB is much better of course but AFAIU your customers can't install 2GB as that is not technically possible for their PCs - then that should be very old PCs?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


03 ??????? 2011, 19:22 ?? "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>:
> 
>  It's the memory that's the kicker.  Six years ago, the 2 and 3 GB machines
> you are describing would have been considered higher end machines; not the
> typical entry level machines that most businesses put in place.
> 
>  In fact if you remember when Vista came out, the big stink was that
> Microsoft said flat out "buy new hardware" if you wanted to use all the
> features (it was more then memory, but memory was a good part of it).  Many
> at that time asked if Vista was even worth the upgrade price considering you
> could not use most of the new features if you didn't get new hardware.
> 
>  Win 7 is a far better OS then Vista and is what Vista should have been, but
> it's still something I would not consider running on anything less then 2GB.
> 
>  I have clients that have fallen behind on five year replacement cycles and
> have systems running from .5 GB to 1.5GB.   Even with XP, that's a stretch.
> And yes I know memory is cheap, but in many cases the MB is maxed out and
> upgrading is not possible.  Replacing the station as a whole is the best
> approach, but they've held off.
> 
>  Thankfully most of them are caught up now, but I still have a few
> stragglers.
> 
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 06:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Hi Gustav --
> 
> Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop
> Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...
> 
> And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while
> debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and
> XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning
> WP7 development...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > Of course, most old hardware won't do.
> >
> > But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion
> zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600
> with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
> >
> > It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>
> >
> >  Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec  3 16:40:20 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 08:40:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <4EDAA554.2194.CEA8394@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Levenshtein and the HotFuzz() function for two,

On 3 Dec 2011 at 10:38, Edward Zuris wrote:

> 
>  Better solutions ?
> 
>  Please share.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:07 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
> 
> 
> Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> 
> > I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
> 
> > for?
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> > >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> > >  I can look into ?
> > >
> > >  Thanks.
> > >
> > >  Ed Zuris.
> > >  edzedz at comcast.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > 
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec  3 18:23:04 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 19:23:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1RWvbA-00054T-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f39.mail.ru>
References: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
	<E1RWcrz-0000WH-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f69.mail.ru>
	<591BD9DBEA5E4256B8EBECFC66083908@XPS>
	<E1RWvbA-00054T-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f39.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4EDABD68.3040307@colbyconsulting.com>

I have to say that the hybrid disk I bought made an enormous difference with Windows 7 in my laptop.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007605%2050001305&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&SrchInDesc=momentus%20xt&Page=1&PageSize=100

It adds a 4 gig "SSD" (flash) cache to store small files that are loaded often.  It takes several 
times loading things but on the second or third pass suddenly stuff loads faster.

I bought one for my laptop and I was so pleased that I did the same for my wife's notebook.  It is 
not the same experience as a full on SSD boot disk but very close.

On my WMC system downstairs I repurposed an old 30 gb SSD drive that simply wasn't big enough to 
make the boot disk, and I put a 15 gb readyboost cache on it and put the swap file on the rest. 
That too has made an enormous difference.

But for a notebook where you only have a single disk slot, try the seagate momentus.  It may give 
the old laptop an addition couple of years.  I actually replaced my brand new laptop's 5400 rpm 
drive with this thing and man what a difference.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/3/2011 2:50 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Hi Jim --
>
> Yes, I do remember Vista - I have used it with the same laptop I mentioned with 2GB RAM for more than four years.  :)
> I've changed/enlarged HDD, added 1GB of memory and installed Win 7 this summer only.
> This five years old PC is not good enough for full scale Windows Phone7.1  Development and it can't be used at all for SharePoint Development but other VS2010 SP1 project types development proceed smoothly on this PC, and MS Office 2010 "flies" on it.
>
> Yes, you're right  "memory is the kicker" but for end-user systems 1.5 GB and even 1GB should be good enough for Win 7 I suppose.
> 2GB is much better of course but AFAIU your customers can't install 2GB as that is not technically possible for their PCs - then that should be very old PCs?
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> 03 ??????? 2011, 19:22 ?? "Jim Dettman"<jimdettman at verizon.net>:
>>
>>   It's the memory that's the kicker.  Six years ago, the 2 and 3 GB machines
>> you are describing would have been considered higher end machines; not the
>> typical entry level machines that most businesses put in place.
>>
>>   In fact if you remember when Vista came out, the big stink was that
>> Microsoft said flat out "buy new hardware" if you wanted to use all the
>> features (it was more then memory, but memory was a good part of it).  Many
>> at that time asked if Vista was even worth the upgrade price considering you
>> could not use most of the new features if you didn't get new hardware.
>>
>>   Win 7 is a far better OS then Vista and is what Vista should have been, but
>> it's still something I would not consider running on anything less then 2GB.
>>
>>   I have clients that have fallen behind on five year replacement cycles and
>> have systems running from .5 GB to 1.5GB.   Even with XP, that's a stretch.
>> And yes I know memory is cheap, but in many cases the MB is maxed out and
>> upgrading is not possible.  Replacing the station as a whole is the best
>> approach, but they've held off.
>>
>>   Thankfully most of them are caught up now, but I still have a few
>> stragglers.
>>
>> Jim.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>> Shamil
>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 06:50 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>>
>> Hi Gustav --
>>
>> Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop
>> Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...
>>
>> And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while
>> debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and
>> XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning
>> WP7 development...
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> -- Shamil
>>
>> 03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock"<Gustav at cactus.dk>:
>>> Hi Jim
>>>
>>> Of course, most old hardware won't do.
>>>
>>> But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion
>> zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600
>> with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
>>>
>>> It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
>>>
>>> /gustav
>>>
>>>>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11>>>
>>>
>>>   Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
>>>
>>> Jim.
>>>
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>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec  3 20:06:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:06:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subversion repositories and server
Message-ID: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com>

I use subversion here at my office.  I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without 
really understanding it.

I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to 
replace some less reliable Access stuff.  I want the repositories to reside on the server with all 
of its raid and backup safety net.

Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it 
is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory.

When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but 
I do not know how to do that.

I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it.  I 
created a group and a user and ser my user into the group.  I then created two repositories for two 
different projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user.

My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now?  I am using VS 2010, and it has 
the VisualSVN package installed.  I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get 
data from the repository server.  Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell 
VisualSVN in the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that.  The "Get 
solution from Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find 
my repository and I have no clue what the URL is.

IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff.  Any help is much appreciated.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec  3 21:39:42 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 22:39:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VSN right click isn't working
Message-ID: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com>

I use VSN with right click context stuff to check in and out some DLLs such as NLog which are 
referenced by my projects but are not stuff that I can directly open in VS and use that to do the 
checkin.  The problem is that while the right click menu works on my systems at the office, at my 
client they cause Windows Explorer to crash, as in close and explorer reopens a few seconds later. 
Right clicking on any file or directory causes the explorer crash.

I eventually found this thing called ShellExView that allows one to see the right click processes 
that are hooking into Explorer's right click widget, and from there I caused all of the VSNTortoise 
stuff to stop and the crashes stopped.

So I can't use VSN's stuff on my dev machine at the client to check directories in and out of 
tortoise / VSN and so I have no way to check in initially.

I decided to try and do this on the server directly and the right click menu works just fine there, 
or at least doesn't page fault explorer.  However when I try to check it in, it complains about a 
different user or something.

Sigh.  AFAIC I do not have to have this in source control, i.e. the reference that I am trying to 
check in are just dlls which are referenced at a specific path on my hard disk and for that purpose 
having them in source control doesn't matter.  However putting it in source control allows me to 
"check them out" from any other machine which needs them, and further if I get a new version of a 
file (nlogs.dll for example) I can check it in and then check it out on other machines to get the 
latest.  The whole point of source control really.  So long term I really want to get this working.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Dec  4 04:20:48 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 11:20:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
Message-ID: <sedb57ae.076@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Had the same idea about a 64 GB SSD drive I have at hand, but my old zd8000 sports an ATA interface only. No cigar.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-12-2011 01:23 >>>
I have to say that the hybrid disk I bought made an enormous difference with Windows 7 in my laptop.





From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec  4 09:48:14 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:48:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4EDAA554.2194.CEA8394@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<4EDAA554.2194.CEA8394@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000001ccb29c$22db9540$6892bfc0$@net>

Best solution IMHO:
Use all three....table lookup, and then the below.
> Levenshtein and the HotFuzz() function for two,
>




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 09:59:19 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:59:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server
Message-ID: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>


Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not have a pair of users I use for 
my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp.  The problem is that one of the the databases 
that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those users.  When I try to set those 
users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server principal 'DiscoApp' already exists. 
  Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights  - db_reader, db_writer etc.

I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need an explanation of why it won't 
allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the check boxes are enabled when I 
select that database.  I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and then set 
the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my changes and 
re-adds the user to the database.  This just seems strange.  If I don't do this rigamarole then I 
have a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but when I look at it back at 
the server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that database.

Any assistance great fully accepted.
-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 10:13:31 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 11:13:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>

 >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and then set the rights through 
the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my changes and re-adds the user to the 
database.

Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I discovered that all of the rights to 
objects in the database were removed.  For example I had rights to execute stored procedures 
assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to execute were lost.

Sigh.

This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>
> Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not have a pair of users I use for
> my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is that one of the the databases
> that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those users. When I try to set those
> users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
> Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights - db_reader, db_writer etc.
>
> I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need an explanation of why it won't
> allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the check boxes are enabled when I
> select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and then set
> the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my changes and
> re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I don't do this rigamarole then I have
> a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but when I look at it back at the
> server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that database.
>
> Any assistance great fully accepted.



From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec  4 11:36:01 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 12:36:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>

John - as you are discovering (the hard way I might add),
SQL Security is a whole specialty onto itself....in fact, there have been
books written about just that.
Here's one that may be helpful:
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-Administrators-Pocket-Consultant/dp/0
73562738X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323019853&sr=1-4
and here's another:
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-2008-Management-Administration/dp/067
233044X/ref=pd_sim_b_6


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:14 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Access Developers discussion
> and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>
>  >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and
> then set the rights through
> the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my
> changes and re-adds the user to the
> database.
>
> Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I discovered
> that all of the rights to
> objects in the database were removed.  For example I had rights to
> execute stored procedures
> assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to
> execute were lost.
>
> Sigh.
>
> This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> >
> > Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not
> have a pair of users I use for
> > my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is
> that one of the the databases
> > that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those
> users. When I try to set those
> > users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server
> principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
> > Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights -
> db_reader, db_writer etc.
> >
> > I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need
> an explanation of why it won't
> > allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the
> check boxes are enabled when I
> > select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user out
> in that database and then set
> > the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it
> happily accepts my changes and
> > re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I don't
> do this rigamarole then I have
> > a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but
> when I look at it back at the
> > server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that
> database.
> >
> > Any assistance great fully accepted.
>
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Dec  4 12:47:53 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 13:47:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
Message-ID: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to 
placed in the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 12:52:18 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:52:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <356134BD550B4B7E94EFBF1984EC2284@SusanHarkins>



stu_counselor.Value = combobox.value

Is stu_counselor bound to a control in your form? If it is, this should be 
easy enough.

Susan H.


> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who will 
> be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  Once 
> that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to placed in 
> the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
> tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued. 
> Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
> -- 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From steve at goodhall.info  Sun Dec  4 12:54:43 2011
From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:54:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <f1f67b23-4cd8-48b9-9eb3-ed7a48ff17f7@blur>

Why store the counselor name in the student table?  Why not just store the  
id and use a join when you need the name?  That way if the counselor's name  
changes (marriage, divorce, whim) you don't need to run around updating  
student records. 

Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP

-----Original message-----
From: Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 18:47:04 GMT+00:00
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to 
placed in the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 13:25:49 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:25:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
Message-ID: <4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks for the suggestions.  Has anyone ever used a kindle edition of books like this?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 12:36 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> John - as you are discovering (the hard way I might add),
> SQL Security is a whole specialty onto itself....in fact, there have been
> books written about just that.
> Here's one that may be helpful:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-Administrators-Pocket-Consultant/dp/0
> 73562738X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323019853&sr=1-4
> and here's another:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-2008-Management-Administration/dp/067
> 233044X/ref=pd_sim_b_6
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:14 AM
>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Access Developers discussion
>> and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>>
>>   >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and
>> then set the rights through
>> the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my
>> changes and re-adds the user to the
>> database.
>>
>> Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I discovered
>> that all of the rights to
>> objects in the database were removed.  For example I had rights to
>> execute stored procedures
>> assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to
>> execute were lost.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>>>
>>> Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not
>> have a pair of users I use for
>>> my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is
>> that one of the the databases
>>> that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those
>> users. When I try to set those
>>> users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server
>> principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
>>> Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights -
>> db_reader, db_writer etc.
>>>
>>> I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need
>> an explanation of why it won't
>>> allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the
>> check boxes are enabled when I
>>> select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user out
>> in that database and then set
>>> the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it
>> happily accepts my changes and
>>> re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I don't
>> do this rigamarole then I have
>>> a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but
>> when I look at it back at the
>>> server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that
>> database.
>>>
>>> Any assistance great fully accepted.
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 14:20:22 2011
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 12:20:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>

Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for kindle
these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop and
laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it. Much
less clutter on the book shelves. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server

Thanks for the suggestions.  Has anyone ever used a kindle edition of books
like this?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 12:36 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> John - as you are discovering (the hard way I might add), SQL Security 
> is a whole specialty onto itself....in fact, there have been books 
> written about just that.
> Here's one that may be helpful:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-Administrators-Pocket-Consultan
> t/dp/0
> 73562738X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323019853&sr=1-4
> and here's another:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-2008-Management-Administration/
> dp/067
> 233044X/ref=pd_sim_b_6
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:14 AM
>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Access Developers discussion 
>> and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>>
>>   >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database 
>> and then set the rights through the user back in the server security 
>> stuff it happily accepts my changes and re-adds the user to the 
>> database.
>>
>> Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I 
>> discovered that all of the rights to objects in the database were 
>> removed.  For example I had rights to execute stored procedures 
>> assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to 
>> execute were lost.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>>>
>>> Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not
>> have a pair of users I use for
>>> my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is
>> that one of the the databases
>>> that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those
>> users. When I try to set those
>>> users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server
>> principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
>>> Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights -
>> db_reader, db_writer etc.
>>>
>>> I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need
>> an explanation of why it won't
>>> allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the
>> check boxes are enabled when I
>>> select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user 
>>> out
>> in that database and then set
>>> the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it
>> happily accepts my changes and
>>> re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I 
>>> don't
>> do this rigamarole then I have
>>> a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database 
>>> but
>> when I look at it back at the
>>> server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that
>> database.
>>>
>>> Any assistance great fully accepted.
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Sun Dec  4 14:27:16 2011
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:27:16 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <f1f67b23-4cd8-48b9-9eb3-ed7a48ff17f7@blur>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
	<f1f67b23-4cd8-48b9-9eb3-ed7a48ff17f7@blur>
Message-ID: <F3998A6DCEDC4CAA8AA0C688B88720EC@stevelaptop>

Tina,

I agree with Steve.  On the face of what you have told us so far, what you 
are trying to do here is irregular.

Assuming the combobox is bound to a field in the tblStudent table, what 
field is it?

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Goodhall
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Why store the counselor name in the student table?  Why not just store the
id and use a join when you need the name?  That way if the counselor's name
changes (marriage, divorce, whim) you don't need to run around updating
student records.

Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP

-----Original message-----
From: Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 18:47:04 GMT+00:00
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who
will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to
placed in the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to
update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec  4 15:41:56 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:41:56 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EDBE924.30917.11DB6A54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Bad girl!  :-)

tbStudent.Stu_Counselor should be a numerice field which contains the Counselor_ID 
foreign key.  You should NOT be storing the counselor's name in individual student records.

Set the Control Source of the combobox to Stu_Counselor and set its bound column to the 
(zero based) column number of the field you want to store in the student record.


-- 
Stuart


On 4 Dec 2011 at 13:47, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> Dear Friends,
> 
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
> Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to 
> placed in the student's record.
> 
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
> tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
> 
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
> Any help waking up my brain?
> 
> Thanks,
> T
> 
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> tinanfields at torchlake.com
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec  4 16:48:47 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:48:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <9E5970D986864D8BB3B1035FBDAB2589@HAL9007>

If Counselor_Lname is not a bound field in the form then there are two ways
to do this:  1) an Update Query - ( cheat by writing the update query in the
QBE and copy the SQL from the SQL View of the query) set db = CurrentDb,
then db.Execute the update query string, 2) DAO = open a recordset of
tblCounselor either filtered to include only the record you want or all
records then use .FIndFirst to find the record you want.  Then
.Edit/.Update.  Walla!

HTH

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:48 AM
To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who will be
assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to placed in
the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to update
the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

--
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec  4 17:15:14 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 18:15:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>

But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in PDF
format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.

> Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
> kindle
> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
> and
> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
> Much
> less clutter on the book shelves.




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 18:15:00 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:15:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?

I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to change that property 'on the fly'...

Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.

Cheers
Darryl.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 18:18:56 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 19:18:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
Message-ID: <4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>

 > But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?

Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently can with the new Kindle Touch 
which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.  I am looking at buying one of these.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in PDF
> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>
>> Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>> kindle
>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>> and
>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>> Much
>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>
>



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 18:45:52 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 16:45:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>

It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
Why would you even want to change it on the fly?

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
>
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a solution
> (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it seems like an odd
> thing to enforce on developers, especially as the form is nearly always
> going to be open and in use when you want to change that property 'on the
> fly'...
>
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 18:58:47 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:58:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE3F4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.

For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from listbox 1, then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its list (so multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list box 1 has only one option selected than listbox 2 should allow multi-select to be available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 has a dependency on what the user selects (or doesn't select) in listbox 1 and visa versa.  If a user chooses multiple values in listbox 2 first, then only a single option should be allowed from listbox 1 and the status change from multi to single.

Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a work around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I can understand why you should not be able to change the state of the active listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, unless you are in design mode.

Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, but there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this is one of them.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
Why would you even want to change it on the fly?

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in 
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
>
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> change that property 'on the fly'...
>
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 19:07:17 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:07:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE3F4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE3F4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met95nqo1v0B3wD-ujhuM7At9pjsuje6NC7v=ztY1+Bhukg@mail.gmail.com>

Simplest way to handle it is with stacked controls using the particular
settings you need.  Just  set their visibility depending on the selection
in listbox 2.  No need to make design changes to the form, which is what
you're doing when you change the property of the control itself.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its
> state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.
>
> For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is
> 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from listbox 1,
> then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its list (so
> multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list box 1 has only
> one option selected than listbox 2 should allow multi-select to be
> available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 has a dependency on
> what the user selects (or doesn't select) in listbox 1 and visa versa.  If
> a user chooses multiple values in listbox 2 first, then only a single
> option should be allowed from listbox 1 and the status change from multi to
> single.
>
> Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a work
> around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I can
> understand why you should not be able to change the state of the active
> listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, unless you are in
> design mode.
>
> Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, but
> there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this is one of
> them.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.
>
> It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
> Why would you even want to change it on the fly?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins <
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in
> > design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> >
> > I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a
> > solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it
> > seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the
> > form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to
> > change that property 'on the fly'...
> >
> > Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> >
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 19:09:34 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:09:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
touch screen for a long time. ;-)

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> > But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>
> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently can
> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.  I
> am looking at buying one of these.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>
>> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>> PDF
>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>
>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>> kindle
>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>> and
>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>> Much
>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
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>
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec  4 19:10:02 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:10:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EDC19EA.7526.1299F1A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It's not an Access thing, it's a Windows thing.  Listbox and Combobox common controls, and 
some others,  don't support modifying Window Styles dynamically. 

The only way to change Style and Extended Style attributes for these is to  destroy and 
recreate the control regardless of what development environment you are in.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 0:15, Darryl Collins wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that? 
> 
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a
> solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it
> seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the
> form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to
> change that property 'on the fly'... 
> 
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 19:41:16 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 01:41:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <4EDC19EA.7526.1299F1A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4EDC19EA.7526.1299F1A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE44C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Aaaah, now that makes more sense...  I figured there is likely to be a deeper reason I just didn't understand.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

It's not an Access thing, it's a Windows thing.  Listbox and Combobox common controls, and some others,  don't support modifying Window Styles dynamically. 

The only way to change Style and Extended Style attributes for these is to  destroy and recreate the control regardless of what development environment you are in.

--
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 0:15, Darryl Collins wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in 
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> 
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> change that property 'on the fly'...
> 
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 19:53:02 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 01:53:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met95nqo1v0B3wD-ujhuM7At9pjsuje6NC7v=ztY1+Bhukg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE3F4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met95nqo1v0B3wD-ujhuM7At9pjsuje6NC7v=ztY1+Bhukg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Charlotte,

Yeah, that was my original idea, have one listbox set to multi and the other set to single and swap the visibility, but in reality that wasn't going to work functionally for what is required here.  Mainly as the process is not a linear one, so the user can 'go back' (so to speak) can change how many records are selected in either list box - or select them in any order, there is left to right sequence required   Of course choosing one of each only is also a valid option.

No, I ended up using option II I found on Google, which is to emulate what I was looking to do via code.

This works by first counting how many records are selected in the active listbox and setting a public Boolean variable.  I then use code like this

I use an onclick event to work out how many records are selected (If the other list box has more than one record select this stage is skipped as we have already set the select status on both boxes).

For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
    If lstBox1.Selected(i) = True Then
        x = x + 1
        strMaterialTypeName(x) = lstBox1.Column(0, x)

    End If
Next i

If x > 1 Then
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = False
Else
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = True
End If

'----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then when the user clicks on the the other listbox we already know the status of the original listbox


If gbInputMatTypeMS = False Then
    For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
        lstBox1.Selected(i) = False
    Next i
    lstBox1.Selected(lstBox1.ListIndex + 1) = True
End If

'------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Which will force the other listbox to only select the item click on by the user if the multiselect variable for the dependant listbox is set to FALSE (gbInputMatTypeMS=False).
This actually works rather well and painlessly.  It allows the user to automagically select whatever they want in any order and the listboxes adjust state accordingly depending on how many records are chosen in each listbox.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

Simplest way to handle it is with stacked controls using the particular settings you need.  Just  set their visibility depending on the selection in listbox 2.  No need to make design changes to the form, which is what you're doing when you change the property of the control itself.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its 
> state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.
>
> For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is 
> 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from 
> listbox 1, then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its 
> list (so multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list 
> box 1 has only one option selected than listbox 2 should allow 
> multi-select to be available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 
> has a dependency on what the user selects (or doesn't select) in 
> listbox 1 and visa versa.  If a user chooses multiple values in 
> listbox 2 first, then only a single option should be allowed from 
> listbox 1 and the status change from multi to single.
>
> Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a 
> work around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I 
> can understand why you should not be able to change the state of the 
> active listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, 
> unless you are in design mode.
>
> Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, 
> but there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this 
> is one of them.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.
>
> It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
> Why would you even want to change it on the fly?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins < 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is 
> > in design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> >
> > I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> > solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> > seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> > form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> > change that property 'on the fly'...
> >
> > Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 20:19:54 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 02:19:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
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Doh... proof reading is important... proof reading is important...

" there is NO left to right sequence required  "

Bah..

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

Hi Charlotte,

Yeah, that was my original idea, have one listbox set to multi and the other set to single and swap the visibility, but in reality that wasn't going to work functionally for what is required here.  Mainly as the process is not a linear one, so the user can 'go back' (so to speak) can change how many records are selected in either list box - or select them in any order, there is left to right sequence required   Of course choosing one of each only is also a valid option.

No, I ended up using option II I found on Google, which is to emulate what I was looking to do via code.

This works by first counting how many records are selected in the active listbox and setting a public Boolean variable.  I then use code like this

I use an onclick event to work out how many records are selected (If the other list box has more than one record select this stage is skipped as we have already set the select status on both boxes).

For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
    If lstBox1.Selected(i) = True Then
        x = x + 1
        strMaterialTypeName(x) = lstBox1.Column(0, x)

    End If
Next i

If x > 1 Then
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = False
Else
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = True
End If

'----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then when the user clicks on the the other listbox we already know the status of the original listbox


If gbInputMatTypeMS = False Then
    For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
        lstBox1.Selected(i) = False
    Next i
    lstBox1.Selected(lstBox1.ListIndex + 1) = True End If

'------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Which will force the other listbox to only select the item click on by the user if the multiselect variable for the dependant listbox is set to FALSE (gbInputMatTypeMS=False).
This actually works rather well and painlessly.  It allows the user to automagically select whatever they want in any order and the listboxes adjust state accordingly depending on how many records are chosen in each listbox.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

Simplest way to handle it is with stacked controls using the particular settings you need.  Just  set their visibility depending on the selection in listbox 2.  No need to make design changes to the form, which is what you're doing when you change the property of the control itself.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its 
> state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.
>
> For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is 
> 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from 
> listbox 1, then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its 
> list (so multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list 
> box 1 has only one option selected than listbox 2 should allow 
> multi-select to be available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 
> has a dependency on what the user selects (or doesn't select) in 
> listbox 1 and visa versa.  If a user chooses multiple values in 
> listbox 2 first, then only a single option should be allowed from 
> listbox 1 and the status change from multi to single.
>
> Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a 
> work around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I 
> can understand why you should not be able to change the state of the 
> active listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, 
> unless you are in design mode.
>
> Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, 
> but there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this 
> is one of them.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.
>
> It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
> Why would you even want to change it on the fly?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins < 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is 
> > in design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> >
> > I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> > solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> > seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> > form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> > change that property 'on the fly'...
> >
> > Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 21:07:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 22:07:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
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Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>>> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>
>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently can
>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.  I
>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>
>>> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>>> PDF
>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>
>>>   Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>> kindle
>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>> and
>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>> Much
>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>
>>>
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From Benson at ge.com  Sun Dec  4 21:24:49 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:24:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
and an annoyance to me personally.

TIA.





From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec  4 22:04:37 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 20:04:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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I suppose it's there in case you mistakenly start to delete all records in a
table or mean to delete 100 and delete 10,000 instead.  The only way I know
is DoCmd.SetWarnings False but that's in code.

Rocky
 

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(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
personally.

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 22:05:29 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 04:05:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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Hi Bill,

It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How are you deleting them?

>From what I understand if you can use 

CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror
to execute them without messages

or

if necessary (last resort) you can use

With DoCmd
	.SetWarnings False
	.OpenQuery "QueryName"
	.SetWarnings True
End with

It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well <<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>

Does any of that help?



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Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me personally.

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 22:09:20 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 23:09:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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Yeah code or a macro step I guess is all I got. I'd hoped a hot key variant
on run might turn up.
On Dec 4, 2011 11:05 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I suppose it's there in case you mistakenly start to delete all records in
> a
> table or mean to delete 100 and delete 10,000 instead.  The only way I know
> is DoCmd.SetWarnings False but that's in code.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
> (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
> without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
> there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
> inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
> undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
> superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
> than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
> personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 22:11:59 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 23:11:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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Maybe the maxlocks will. For this I don't want code cuz I just wanted a
quicker way to run a query in view just after editing.

Thanks.
On Dec 4, 2011 11:08 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How are
> you deleting them?
>
> From what I understand if you can use
>
> CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror
> to execute them without messages
>
> or
>
> if necessary (last resort) you can use
>
> With DoCmd
>        .SetWarnings False
>        .OpenQuery "QueryName"
>        .SetWarnings True
> End with
>
> It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well <<
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>
>
> Does any of that help?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE
> Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
> without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
> there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
> inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
> undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
> superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
> than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
> personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 22:26:37 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 04:26:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster
	Delete	Queries
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	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE64D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Give it a try Bill.  Although I didn't read anyone who actually had any success with that approach and the message.  It seems it must impact some users as MS have gone to the trouble of publishing that page.  You can turn off warnings at an application level, but I am not sure if that will be effective or not with the undo warning.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 3:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Maybe the maxlocks will. For this I don't want code cuz I just wanted a quicker way to run a query in view just after editing.

Thanks.
On Dec 4, 2011 11:08 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How 
> are you deleting them?
>
> From what I understand if you can use
>
> CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror to execute 
> them without messages
>
> or
>
> if necessary (last resort) you can use
>
> With DoCmd
>        .SetWarnings False
>        .OpenQuery "QueryName"
>        .SetWarnings True
> End with
>
> It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well << 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>
>
> Does any of that help?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE 
> Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete 
> Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back 
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA 
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts 
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, 
> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but 
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior 
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is 
> useless and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec  1 22:34:11 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 22:34:11 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster
	Delete	Queries
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE64D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE64D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <004101ccb0ab$a3f488f0$ebdd9ad0$@comcast.net>

No Messages --> CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries

Hi Bill,

It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How are
you deleting them?

>From what I understand if you can use 

CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror to execute them
without messages

or

if necessary (last resort) you can use

With DoCmd
	.SetWarnings False
	.OpenQuery "QueryName"
	.SetWarnings True
End with

It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well
<<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>

Does any of that help?



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
personally.

TIA.



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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 23:23:47 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 21:23:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.  ;)
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently
>>> can
>>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.
>>>  I
>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>
>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>>>> PDF
>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>
>>>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>>
>>>>> kindle
>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>>> and
>>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>>> Much
>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
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>>>
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>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.
>>>
>>> ****com<http://www.**databaseadvisors.com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Dec  5 06:35:00 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:35:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EDCBA74.70207@colbyconsulting.com>

http://www.ecolibris.net/bnindex.asp

;)

It's unfortunate they stopped graphing the results.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/5/2011 12:23 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.  ;)
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
>>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently
>>>> can
>>>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.
>>>>   I
>>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>
>>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>>>>> PDF
>>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>>>
>>>>>> kindle
>>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>>>> Much
>>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   --
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>
>>
>>



From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Mon Dec  5 08:21:33 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:21:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EA8AF852@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Citations? :-)

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 5:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA

Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.

--
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name  matching 
> > algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Dec  5 08:30:26 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 09:30:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>


  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
and an annoyance to me personally.

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From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca  Mon Dec  5 08:37:02 2011
From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:37:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000d01ccb1e7$6ed6bbb0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <CAKvidAsDMjt+e8ub5N14dv0Bm-pYNmWAaEc1PGY4kri1J9jQ6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<000d01ccb1e7$6ed6bbb0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
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Ed, 
Here is a link showing both Soundex and Levenshtein distance code for vba

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1607690/finding-similar-sounding-text-in-
vba

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


 Thanks Jack.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack
drawbridge
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Mon Dec  5 12:20:45 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:20:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP29F5E9AC3CF73022E0993BC4B50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002401ccb37a$9bd7e0a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and Pat
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


Ed, 
Here is a link showing both Soundex and Levenshtein distance code for
vba

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1607690/finding-similar-sounding-text
-in-
vba

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


 Thanks Jack.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack
drawbridge
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Dec  5 14:42:20 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 15:42:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Of possible interest: Deploying LightSwitch
 Applications to Windows Azure
Message-ID: <86C79486EC244013B7EB9E95C3C0D47E@XPS>


Deploying LightSwitch Applications to Windows Azure

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/hh547097.aspx
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/hh547097.aspx> 
 
 gustav mentioned Lightswitch some time ago.  May be of interest to some
Access developers looking for something else, but don't want to move into
.Net.
 
Jim



From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 15:09:43 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:09:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

There is something that I require to be true, upon testing, or this one
particular form I consider to be dangerous to use. It is a condition
that may change over the session, it is not necessarily a stable
condition during the user session.

I understand it can be tested for on Form Open, and the opening of the
form can then be canceled. But how about afterwards:  For example,
suppose on activation of the form, I want to test the condition again.
According to an error message I just got, I am not allowed to close the
form during the form's events.

I am kinda stumped how to protect myself now, if I cannot make this
check-environment-and-dismiss-form occur on a form's events.

I guess I could have a hidden form checking this on a timed basis but I
am sure that will cause some regrets.

TIA...



From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Dec  5 15:43:47 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:43:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Of possible interest: Deploying
	LightSwitch	Applications to Windows Azure
Message-ID: <sedd493c.011@cactus.dk>

Thanks Jim, very promising.

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 05-12-2011 21:42 >>>

Deploying LightSwitch Applications to Windows Azure

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/hh547097.aspx 
 
 gustav mentioned Lightswitch some time ago.  May be of interest to some
Access developers looking for something else, but don't want to move into
.Net.
 
Jim




From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 15:51:33 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 13:51:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9AkKa70wGf9GVAM1J16+4zu8jMCNu7NLwKTDTevqd3xg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not clear on what the problem is.  You can close a form from other
events within a form.  What was the message you got and what event were you
trying to use?

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Benson, William (GE Global Research,
consultant) <Benson at ge.com> wrote:

> There is something that I require to be true, upon testing, or this one
> particular form I consider to be dangerous to use. It is a condition
> that may change over the session, it is not necessarily a stable
> condition during the user session.
>
> I understand it can be tested for on Form Open, and the opening of the
> form can then be canceled. But how about afterwards:  For example,
> suppose on activation of the form, I want to test the condition again.
> According to an error message I just got, I am not allowed to close the
> form during the form's events.
>
> I am kinda stumped how to protect myself now, if I cannot make this
> check-environment-and-dismiss-form occur on a form's events.
>
> I guess I could have a hidden form checking this on a timed basis but I
> am sure that will cause some regrets.
>
> TIA...
>
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>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 15:55:15 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 07:55:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Presumably when you say "dangerous to use", you are referring to triggering control events 
on the form.   

What happens if you:
1.  build a function which checks for the condition and closes the form if necesary
2. Call the function as the first step in any potentially dangerous control event.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 16:09, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> There is something that I require to be true, upon testing, or this one
> particular form I consider to be dangerous to use. It is a condition
> that may change over the session, it is not necessarily a stable
> condition during the user session.
> 
> I understand it can be tested for on Form Open, and the opening of the
> form can then be canceled. But how about afterwards:  For example,
> suppose on activation of the form, I want to test the condition again.
> According to an error message I just got, I am not allowed to close the
> form during the form's events.
> 
> I am kinda stumped how to protect myself now, if I cannot make this
> check-environment-and-dismiss-form occur on a form's events.
> 
> I guess I could have a hidden form checking this on a timed basis but I
> am sure that will cause some regrets.
> 
> TIA...
> 
> -- 
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> 





From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 17:14:29 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:14:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDCBA74.70207@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDCBA74.70207@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table and
load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle layout or
feel, so I see no reason to change now.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:35 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> http://www.ecolibris.net/**bnindex.asp<http://www.ecolibris.net/bnindex.asp>
>
>
>
> ;)
>
> It's unfortunate they stopped graphing the results.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/5/2011 12:23 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.
>>>  ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>  Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
>>>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsult**ing.com<http://colbyconsulting.com>
>>>>
>>>> <jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>>
>>>>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently
>>>>> can
>>>>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch
>>>>> screen.
>>>>>  I
>>>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>> PDF
>>>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  kindle
>>>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>>>>> Much
>>>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.**com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>>
>>>>> **<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> ****com<http://www.**databasea**dvisors.com<http://databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.**databaseadvisors.com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> >
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>>>
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>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec  5 18:10:08 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:10:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDCBA74.70207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA25@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I think the one upside of Kindle over a tablet is probably the battery life.  Personally I like a good ol' fashioned book.  I love the way I can read it on the beach and never have to worry about battery issues, screen resolution, reflection or it getting too much salt and sand in the cracks.  I like the tactile book thing too.  The feel of the paper, the smell, the way you can get an idea of where you are in the story visually, and it make an excellent shade over your eyes when you want to have nap - try doing that with your tablet ;)

The can see some upside to kindle and their ilk such as:

1: Environmental (less paper, less supply chain costs, less printing issues, less waste etc)
2: Speed of delivery (usually a lot faster than even FedEx)
3: Weight (books are heavy if you need to carry a lot of them)
4: Searchable: Much faster to search and reference

But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)

Just my thoughts
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server

I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:35 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> http://www.ecolibris.net/**bnindex.asp<http://www.ecolibris.net/bninde
> x.asp>
>
>
>
> ;)
>
> It's unfortunate they stopped graphing the results.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/5/2011 12:23 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, 
>> jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.
>>>  ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>  Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the 
>>> keyboard and
>>>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, 
>>>> jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsult**ing.com<http://colbyconsulting.com>
>>>>
>>>> <jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>>
>>>>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You 
>>>>> apparently can with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual 
>>>>> keyboard and touch screen.
>>>>>  I
>>>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get 
>>>>> books in
>>>>>
>>>>>> PDF
>>>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  kindle
>>>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my 
>>>>>>> desktop and laptop. That way I can share the book between my 
>>>>>>> devices. I like it.
>>>>>>> Much
>>>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>
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>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>>>>> databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>>
>>>>> <htt**p://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd<http:/
>>>>> /databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.**com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http:/
>>>>> /databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>>
>>>>> **<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://d
>>>>> atabaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> ****com<http://www.**databasea**dvisors.com<http://databaseadvisor
>>>>> s.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.**databaseadvisors.com 
>>>>> <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> abaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>
>>> >
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>>>
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>>> s.com>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 18:20:25 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 10:20:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA25@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA25@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EDD5FC9.21974.4DC27B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

http://www.thinkleadershipideas.com/leadershipideasblog/files/book.php

On 6 Dec 2011 at 0:10, Darryl Collins wrote:


> But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)
> 
> Just my thoughts
> Darryl.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
> 
> I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table
> and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle
> layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now. 
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec  5 18:56:59 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:56:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hehehehe.... exactly.   All jokes aside, the paperback book is in many ways a nearly perfect technology.  It is a bit like the traditional mousetrap or the standard design on the traditional dial telephone.  Some designs are sooo close to being optimal there is little advantage in tweaking them. 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server

http://www.thinkleadershipideas.com/leadershipideasblog/files/book.php

On 6 Dec 2011 at 0:10, Darryl Collins wrote:


> But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)
> 
> Just my thoughts
> Darryl.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
> 
> I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table 
> and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle 
> layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 


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From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 20:41:28 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:41:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Sorry, I cannot make my statement about "dangerous to use" very clear at
this time. Essentially, if the form is open and a certain value has
changed (say, for example, a user's privileges have changed from one
class to another) then I do not want them able to see the form that they
had been looking at. So it was on the activate event that this was to be
checked for.

That is not the exact condition, it is a representative example.

To answer Charlotte's question:

"this action cannot be carried out while processing a form or report
event"

Here is a sample of code you can put in a form that is already opened:

Private Sub Form_Activate()
If 1 = 2 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
End Sub


Launch the form, then deactivate it by opening a different form.

Change the code to
If 1 = 1 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name

Click back on the first form, you will get this error message.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 21:22:25 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 13:22:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>,
	<4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4EDD8A71.27107.582C7BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You can set me.Visible = False instead of closing the form.

How to garbage collect and subsequently close the hidden form is left as an exercise for the 
reader. :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 21:41, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> Sorry, I cannot make my statement about "dangerous to use" very clear at
> this time. Essentially, if the form is open and a certain value has
> changed (say, for example, a user's privileges have changed from one
> class to another) then I do not want them able to see the form that they
> had been looking at. So it was on the activate event that this was to be
> checked for.
> 
> That is not the exact condition, it is a representative example.
> 
> To answer Charlotte's question:
> 
> "this action cannot be carried out while processing a form or report
> event"
> 
> Here is a sample of code you can put in a form that is already opened:
> 
> Private Sub Form_Activate()
> If 1 = 2 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
> End Sub
> 
> 
> Launch the form, then deactivate it by opening a different form.
> 
> Change the code to
> If 1 = 1 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
> 
> Click back on the first form, you will get this error message.
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 





From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 22:04:22 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:04:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <4EDD8A71.27107.582C7BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>,
	<4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDD8A71.27107.582C7BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F580@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Not a difficult task... but not something I want to resort to. I gave up
:-(

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event

You can set me.Visible = False instead of closing the form.

How to garbage collect and subsequently close the hidden form is left as
an exercise for the reader. :-)

--
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 21:41, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> Sorry, I cannot make my statement about "dangerous to use" very clear 
> at this time. Essentially, if the form is open and a certain value has

> changed (say, for example, a user's privileges have changed from one 
> class to another) then I do not want them able to see the form that 
> they had been looking at. So it was on the activate event that this 
> was to be checked for.
> 
> That is not the exact condition, it is a representative example.
> 
> To answer Charlotte's question:
> 
> "this action cannot be carried out while processing a form or report 
> event"
> 
> Here is a sample of code you can put in a form that is already opened:
> 
> Private Sub Form_Activate()
> If 1 = 2 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name End Sub
> 
> 
> Launch the form, then deactivate it by opening a different form.
> 
> Change the code to
> If 1 = 1 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
> 
> Click back on the first form, you will get this error message.
> 
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



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From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 22:08:44 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:08:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I have a client who feels he will have contractors who will have Access
2010 but (unbelievably) not Outlook on their PCs. So he wanted me to
remove any references to Outlook. Well, thing is, I did not have a
reference to outlook, I had Access sending some tables through
.SendObject, and also I in another situation use Excel's library to
attach and mail a file. I can get both applications to run these steps
with no DLL reference to Outlook, however without taking Outlook itself
off my machine, I cannot really be sure what would happen if the Excel
or Access applications tried these steps with no Outlook. Anyone know?
Will those applications still call some default e-mail client? Will they
just throw off an error? Not process the command?

Pls help me know what to expect, if possible, thanks. 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 22:57:34 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:57:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on the workstation in 
question.  If nothing else has been installed, it is likely to use OE or Windows Mail depending 
on the OS. In my case, it invokes Pegasus Mail.

If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message telling them that they 
need to configure one.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 23:08, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> I have a client who feels he will have contractors who will have Access
> 2010 but (unbelievably) not Outlook on their PCs. So he wanted me to
> remove any references to Outlook. Well, thing is, I did not have a
> reference to outlook, I had Access sending some tables through
> .SendObject, and also I in another situation use Excel's library to
> attach and mail a file. I can get both applications to run these steps
> with no DLL reference to Outlook, however without taking Outlook itself
> off my machine, I cannot really be sure what would happen if the Excel
> or Access applications tried these steps with no Outlook. Anyone know?
> Will those applications still call some default e-mail client? Will they
> just throw off an error? Not process the command?
> 
> Pls help me know what to expect, if possible, thanks. 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 





From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 09:04:37 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:04:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>

Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a couple
of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was trivial. I *love
* when that happens!

Arthur

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on the
> workstation in
> question.  If nothing else has been installed, it is likely to use OE or
> Windows Mail depending
> on the OS. In my case, it invokes Pegasus Mail.
>
> If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message
> telling them that they
> need to configure one.
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 09:27:01 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:27:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>

To add to and reinforce your point, even though I have almost all the
Data-Architecture tools available (ERwin, PowerDesigner, DeZign, Rational
DA, etc.), more often than not I resort to a pencil and paper to lay out
the initial sketch. I don't bother describing the columns at this stage --
just the tables and the joins, and I can use the eraser to refine the
Rdefs. When DBs are extremely complex (i.e. several hundred tables) then I
skip the pencil-stage and go directly to PowerDesigner (my choice) or ERwin
(more often the client's choice, despite its inadequacies). But for SMBs,
my first choice remains pencil and paper, where I capture the logic. Maybe
it's similar to painters who first sketch the landscape in pencil and only
afterward return to the studio and the canvas and the palette. Either way,
the fact remains that I understand the pencil-UI way more intuitively than
anything yet invented, including all of the late Steve Jobs's inventions.
Granted, it took a while to learn how to describe a circle and a square and
a triangle, and then to write the alphabet, but I learned all that before
attending First Grade in school, and would imagine that in these days so do
almost all kids.

Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to
recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to
Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children
will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up
smarter.

Arthur

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hehehehe.... exactly.   All jokes aside, the paperback book is in many
> ways a nearly perfect technology.  It is a bit like the traditional
> mousetrap or the standard design on the traditional dial telephone.  Some
> designs are sooo close to being optimal there is little advantage in
> tweaking them.
>
> --
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 13:01:09 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:01:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>

(I think??) I'm glad to hear this!

Thanks for such well informed responses. There are so many things I take
for granted with MS Office installed.
On Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a couple
> of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was trivial. I
> *love
> * when that happens!
>
> Arthur
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
> >wrote:
>
> > SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on the
> > workstation in
> > question.  If nothing else has been installed, it is likely to use OE or
> > Windows Mail depending
> > on the OS. In my case, it invokes Pegasus Mail.
> >
> > If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message
> > telling them that they
> > need to configure one.
> >
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 13:06:44 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:06:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
In-Reply-To: <6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4q1SnEhGzSGJDWRa=rKyAX9UsFBGXEPEZb=PY7S6uNjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Can't wait to try this (but I have to because I am not near PC)... sounds
promising.
On Dec 5, 2011 9:31 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
> (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
> and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
> --
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>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec  6 14:00:06 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:00:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster
	Delete	Queries
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4q1SnEhGzSGJDWRa=rKyAX9UsFBGXEPEZb=PY7S6uNjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>
	<CAGuQ9V4q1SnEhGzSGJDWRa=rKyAX9UsFBGXEPEZb=PY7S6uNjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B08EF93E3F724E0C847331E79F4296C5@XPS>


  Understand that your not turning off the warning, but setting the query so
transactions are not used.

  That means you'll never run out of locks nor will you get the message that
the transaction cannot be undone past a certain point.

  Only do this if you don't care if a failure occurs in the middle execution
and can simply re-run it if that happens.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 02:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries

Can't wait to try this (but I have to because I am not near PC)... sounds
promising.
On Dec 5, 2011 9:31 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
> (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
> and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec  6 16:52:04 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 22:52:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

" Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up smarter."

Looks good, just purchased a copy from Amazon - thanks :)

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 2:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...

To add to and reinforce your point, even though I have almost all the Data-Architecture tools available (ERwin, PowerDesigner, DeZign, Rational DA, etc.), more often than not I resort to a pencil and paper to lay out the initial sketch. I don't bother describing the columns at this stage -- just the tables and the joins, and I can use the eraser to refine the Rdefs. When DBs are extremely complex (i.e. several hundred tables) then I skip the pencil-stage and go directly to PowerDesigner (my choice) or ERwin (more often the client's choice, despite its inadequacies). But for SMBs, my first choice remains pencil and paper, where I capture the logic. Maybe it's similar to painters who first sketch the landscape in pencil and only afterward return to the studio and the canvas and the palette. Either way, the fact remains that I understand the pencil-UI way more intuitively than anything yet invented, including all of the late Steve Jobs's inventions.
Granted, it took a while to learn how to describe a circle and a square and a triangle, and then to write the alphabet, but I learned all that before attending First Grade in school, and would imagine that in these days so do almost all kids.

Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up smarter.

Arthur

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hehehehe.... exactly.   All jokes aside, the paperback book is in many
> ways a nearly perfect technology.  It is a bit like the traditional 
> mousetrap or the standard design on the traditional dial telephone.  
> Some designs are sooo close to being optimal there is little advantage 
> in tweaking them.
>
> --
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing
--
AccessD mailing list
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec  6 17:00:21 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 23:00:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EECAF@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Bill,

You are likely to find this more and more these days as MS Outlook is no longer a standard part of every version of Office these days - rather it is only available on the more costly versions.   You can buy it separately if you wish.  Of course costs vary wildly around the world and here in Oz (Australia) we get ripped pretty badly on prices - so to purchase MS Outlook as a stand-alone product is an additional $180 AUD over and above the cost of the MS office suite (assuming the version you purchased doesn't come with an Outlook License).  Many folks or small businesses, who just want an email client or two, decide it ain't worth the cost and swap to Thunderbird, Pegasus or even Gmail instead.

For the curious... here is what MS Office product cost in AUD (keep in mind that the AUD is worth approx 1.02 USD at the moment - so pretty much parity).

<< http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Technology/Software/Microsoft-Office>>

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 6:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present

(I think??) I'm glad to hear this!

Thanks for such well informed responses. There are so many things I take for granted with MS Office installed.
On Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a 
> couple of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was 
> trivial. I *love
> * when that happens!
>
> Arthur
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan 
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
> >wrote:
>
> > SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on 
> > the workstation in question.  If nothing else has been installed, it 
> > is likely to use OE or Windows Mail depending on the OS. In my case, 
> > it invokes Pegasus Mail.
> >
> > If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message 
> > telling them that they need to configure one.
> >
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Dec  6 17:01:00 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:01:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for
	FasterDelete	Queries
In-Reply-To: <B08EF93E3F724E0C847331E79F4296C5@XPS>
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I accept the warning. I am much more concerned that deleting records
from an open query or table has such an undo feature. Once I have pulled
the trigger on a delete query, I have already done my homework.

Really.

Famous last words.

Thanks again!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for FasterDelete
Queries


  Understand that your not turning off the warning, but setting the
query so transactions are not used.

  That means you'll never run out of locks nor will you get the message
that the transaction cannot be undone past a certain point.

  Only do this if you don't care if a failure occurs in the middle
execution and can simply re-run it if that happens.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Benson
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 02:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries

Can't wait to try this (but I have to because I am not near PC)...
sounds promising.
On Dec 5, 2011 9:31 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, 
> William (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back 
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA 
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts 
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,

> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but 
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior 
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is 
> useless and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Dec  6 17:09:51 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:09:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EECAF@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com><4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com><CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>
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That's a lot of dough!

Very glad to be kept informed of issues like this Darryl, thanks for
taking the time to add. I find it harder and harder, since working
mostly from home, to keep abreast of what's going on; very gratified for
others weighing in on such matters. Another issue lately is retention. I
just took a battery of tests through a psychological testing company,
and one of the things I found out is that with a lot of detail, my brain
needs a few passes before anything sinks in enough to recall it later.
If one has to solve a problem, hunts around on Google for a solution,
plops it in and the program works ... forget about remembering it. If I
have to mess with it and mess with it til it finally works, there is a
chance. Maybe to a degree this is a lot of folk, not just me - but I
have seen a marked decrease in what I can retain over only a few short
years. This is my long way of saying "I may ask this again some time"
and please, please don't take it as a sign of not paying attention. You
can see by the fact that I have read and replied, that I was at least in
the here and now, paying attention.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl
Collins
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present

Bill,

You are likely to find this more and more these days as MS Outlook is no
longer a standard part of every version of Office these days - rather it
is only available on the more costly versions.   You can buy it
separately if you wish.  Of course costs vary wildly around the world
and here in Oz (Australia) we get ripped pretty badly on prices - so to
purchase MS Outlook as a stand-alone product is an additional $180 AUD
over and above the cost of the MS office suite (assuming the version you
purchased doesn't come with an Outlook License).  Many folks or small
businesses, who just want an email client or two, decide it ain't worth
the cost and swap to Thunderbird, Pegasus or even Gmail instead.

For the curious... here is what MS Office product cost in AUD (keep in
mind that the AUD is worth approx 1.02 USD at the moment - so pretty
much parity).

<<
http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Technology/Software/Micros
oft-Office>>

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Benson
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 6:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present

(I think??) I'm glad to hear this!

Thanks for such well informed responses. There are so many things I take
for granted with MS Office installed.
On Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a 
> couple of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was 
> trivial. I *love
> * when that happens!
>
> Arthur
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan 
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
> >wrote:
>
> > SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on 
> > the workstation in question.  If nothing else has been installed, it

> > is likely to use OE or Windows Mail depending on the OS. In my case,

> > it invokes Pegasus Mail.
> >
> > If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message

> > telling them that they need to configure one.
> >
> >
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From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 17:27:16 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:27:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUH71=6kRLsFpQXUJLjtuTD=ck-oBxqxDAW-C_oHjsZSg@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Benson, William:
> I accept the warning. I am much more concerned that deleting records
> from an open query or table has such an undo feature. Once I have pulled
> the trigger on a delete query, I have already done my homework.
>
> Really.
>
> Famous last words.
>
> Thanks again!
>

I take it that you are running the delete queries from the interface.

Have you tried: Tools -> Options -> Edit/Find Tab -> Turning off Confirm
options: Record Changes, Document Deletions, Action Queries?

This should turn off all the safeties. I mean really, what could possibly
go wrong? ;)

-Ken


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 19:49:54 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 20:49:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jrxvi4ZjXqFu2sfsoZKL3pzZ3JpFFHLEvGn_jx1O6CgA@mail.gmail.com>

It's an awesome work, IMO. I'm certain that you will love it, and your kids
will get the best possible intro to the world of math, not to mention such
things as the reason why some plants have opposing branches while others
have spiraling branches, and a zillion other topics too.

Have fun! I know you will.

A.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> " Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to
> recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to
> Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children
> will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up
> smarter."
>
> Looks good, just purchased a copy from Amazon - thanks :)
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 00:54:44 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 01:54:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6GtTr4m5HrVWhxs_x=gG+wiVXXt3EK17VaKG4tLOpwqg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ken. I want the option for the current query only; that would I think
affect other queries...?
On Dec 6, 2011 6:28 PM, "Kenneth Ismert" <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Benson, William:
> > I accept the warning. I am much more concerned that deleting records
> > from an open query or table has such an undo feature. Once I have pulled
> > the trigger on a delete query, I have already done my homework.
> >
> > Really.
> >
> > Famous last words.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
>
> I take it that you are running the delete queries from the interface.
>
> Have you tried: Tools -> Options -> Edit/Find Tab -> Turning off Confirm
> options: Record Changes, Document Deletions, Action Queries?
>
> This should turn off all the safeties. I mean really, what could possibly
> go wrong? ;)
>
> -Ken
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 01:29:13 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 02:29:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
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References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
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I wonder if the original website registration ran out and got scooped up by
a competition
On Dec 1, 2011 6:29 PM, "Doug Steele" <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:

> I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
> > same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
> > following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near
> the
> > bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to
> click
> > the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
> > big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
> >
> > T
> >
> > Tina Norris Fields
> > tinanfields at torchlake.com
> > 231-322-2787
> >
> >
> > On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> >
> >> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a
> site
> >> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
> >>
> >> Charlotte Foust
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
> >> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
> >>
> >>  When I try to find paint.net
> >>>
> >>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
> >>> T
> >>>
> >>> Tina Norris Fields
> >>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> >>> 231-322-2787
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
> >>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Will download and have a look.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Darryl.
> >>>>
> >>>>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Dec  7 15:10:57 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:10:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such as
	Fences)
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
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All,

About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
quite useful.

Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.

I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
AccessD Archive to work.

Does anyone have the original post or the link?

Thanks,
Brad



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 15:15:47 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:15:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such as
	Fences)
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Here's a link to a later post on the subject of useful software from Scott
Hanselman:

http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feedburner.com%2FScottHanselman

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
> info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
> had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
> quite useful.
>
> Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.
>
> I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
> AccessD Archive to work.
>
> Does anyone have the original post or the link?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Dec  7 15:20:29 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:20:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such
	asFences)
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<CAFa8Nkg7QwtOVGS5Xmron+UjwHurwv_WU87JJS5JH6h+CevLqg@mail.gmail.com>
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Doug,

Thanks.

I owe ya a beer!

Brad

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities
(such asFences)

Here's a link to a later post on the subject of useful software from
Scott
Hanselman:

http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feed
burner.com%2FScottHanselman

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
> info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
> had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
> quite useful.
>
> Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.
>
> I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
> AccessD Archive to work.
>
> Does anyone have the original post or the link?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Dec  7 15:33:11 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:33:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>

Dear Friends,

Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field 
in the students table in the first place.  There's a story behind this 
and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, 
this time.  This all began as a little database for a counselor friend 
of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were 
responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did 
make a lookup field in the students table that had a value list - just 
the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would 
ultimately be other counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.

When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and 
a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I overlooked the existing 
references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the 
reports.  So, when I saw that records were not appearing for the new 
counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to 
force updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID 
selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries and all the 
reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is 
the only real solution.

I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you 
all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be doing THAT!!!"  You are 
right.  I won't do it again.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the 
> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor 
> to placed in the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found 
> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be 
> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 15:44:43 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:44:43 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such
	asFences)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6E4@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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I will gladly accept one!

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Doug,
>
> Thanks.
>
> I owe ya a beer!
>
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities
> (such asFences)
>
> Here's a link to a later post on the subject of useful software from
> Scott
> Hanselman:
>
> http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feed
> burner.com%2FScottHanselman
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
> > info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
> > had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
> > quite useful.
> >
> > Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.
> >
> > I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
> > AccessD Archive to work.
> >
> > Does anyone have the original post or the link?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 16:49:07 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:49:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com> <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>
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" and in my heart of hearts I did know it."

Heh... You know Tina, over the years I have had many of these moments, and in every instance it has come back to bite me.  And the longer you leave it, the greater the pain.  These days when I get that feeling, I make sure I fix the problem immediately - even if it seems like a lot of unnecessary work.  I guess the golden rule is nothing should be fixed and everything can (and probably will) change.

I have a great example of "months in the year"  Sure, everyone knows they should be 12, but I had one year, in one company where they had to make it 11 months in a year instead  - they need to do this as the company had been purchased by another company who used a different report cycle.  To get the cycles aligned they had to effective drop a month.  In short,  everyone who had stuff hardcoded regarding months and periods etc had a lot of work to do...  A good example of something that will never ever change, changing.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Dear Friends,

Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field in the students table in the first place.  There's a story behind this and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, this time.  This all began as a little database for a counselor friend of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did make a lookup field in the students table that had a value list - just the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would ultimately be other counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.

When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I overlooked the existing references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the reports.  So, when I saw that records were not appearing for the new counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to force updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries and all the reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is the only real solution.

I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be doing THAT!!!"  You are right.  I won't do it again.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the 
> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor 
> to placed in the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found 
> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be 
> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Dec  7 17:04:15 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:04:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com> <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EDFF0EF.7000202@torchlake.com>

Darryl,
Thanks, that is a terrific story.  Yes, I think I finally have this 
lesson learned.  :-)
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/7/2011 5:49 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> " and in my heart of hearts I did know it."
>
> Heh... You know Tina, over the years I have had many of these moments, and in every instance it has come back to bite me.  And the longer you leave it, the greater the pain.  These days when I get that feeling, I make sure I fix the problem immediately - even if it seems like a lot of unnecessary work.  I guess the golden rule is nothing should be fixed and everything can (and probably will) change.
>
> I have a great example of "months in the year"  Sure, everyone knows they should be 12, but I had one year, in one company where they had to make it 11 months in a year instead  - they need to do this as the company had been purchased by another company who used a different report cycle.  To get the cycles aligned they had to effective drop a month.  In short,  everyone who had stuff hardcoded regarding months and periods etc had a lot of work to do...  A good example of something that will never ever change, changing.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
> Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 8:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field in the students table in the first place.  There's a story behind this and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, this time.  This all began as a little database for a counselor friend of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did make a lookup field in the students table that had a value list - just the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would ultimately be other counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.
>
> When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I overlooked the existing references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the reports.  So, when I saw that records were not appearing for the new counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to force updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries and all the reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is the only real solution.
>
> I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be doing THAT!!!"  You are right.  I won't do it again.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who
>> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the
>> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor
>> to placed in the student's record.
>>
>> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
>> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to
>> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found
>> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>>
>> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be
>> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> T
>>


From djkr at msn.com  Wed Dec  7 17:11:59 2011
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:11:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
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Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>

A place I worked for a while had Christmas Day fall in the fourth half of the third month, for similar reasons - yes,
the *fourth* half!  Never assume anything ...

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: 07 December 2011 22:49
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved


" and in my heart of hearts I did know it."

Heh... You know Tina, over the years I have had many of these moments, and in every instance it has come back to bite
me.  And the longer you leave it, the greater the pain.  These days when I get that feeling, I make sure I fix the
problem immediately - even if it seems like a lot of unnecessary work.  I guess the golden rule is nothing should be
fixed and everything can (and probably will) change.

I have a great example of "months in the year"  Sure, everyone knows they should be 12, but I had one year, in one
company where they had to make it 11 months in a year instead  - they need to do this as the company had been purchased
by another company who used a different report cycle.  To get the cycles aligned they had to effective drop a month.  In
short,  everyone who had stuff hardcoded regarding months and periods etc had a lot of work to do...  A good example of
something that will never ever change, changing.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Dear Friends,

Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field in the students table in the first place.
There's a story behind this and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, this time.  This all
began as a little database for a counselor friend of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were
responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did make a lookup field in the students table that
had a value list - just the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would ultimately be other
counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.

When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I
overlooked the existing references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the reports.  So, when I saw
that records were not appearing for the new counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to force
updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries
and all the reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is the only real solution.

I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be
doing THAT!!!"  You are right.  I won't do it again.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the 
> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor 
> to placed in the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found 
> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be
> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Dec  7 17:29:33 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:29:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EDFF6DD.9050605@torchlake.com>

Thank you, Arthur.  I have just ordered the book.

"Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to
recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to
Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children
will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up
smarter."


T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 17:33:02 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:33:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 17:43:22 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:43:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77efqzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>

Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system
resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu
building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple
dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I
discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a
weekly screen before it would work.

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms
> are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case
> there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of
> it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search
> that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus
> Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I
> double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I
> finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit
> some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) -
> this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually
> only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they
> are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are
> also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted
> with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the
> problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 17:59:26 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:59:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
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Alright.  That sounds like a possible suspect.  I can make a start by unbinding the forms, not hard to do but a bit more coding work.  Heh, Hey Tina.  Thinking of you right now.  I was thinking when I started this - "leaving them bound is fast and easy, but I really should do them unbound like I usually do.  naah it will be ok..." :)

Here is a great example of what I am talking about.  Got a blank version of this database - no data in any of the table.  Been compacted and reopened after deleting the data - copied 40 lines of data (x 2 columns - so 80 fields of simple data data in all) into a table.  Get a "out of resources" message.  Blah!  Oddly it still copies the data in ok, once I press "ok" on the warning msgbox.

*Sigh*.  Will start to unbind the buggers and see if that helps - change to a JIT approach instead.

Thanks Doug! 

Cheers
D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who 
> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to 
> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no 
> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  
> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or 
> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started 
> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in 
> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save 
> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some 
> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets 
> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open 
> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing 
> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found 
> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am 
> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks 
> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users 
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  
> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I 
> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, 
> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is 
> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? 
> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is 
> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via 
> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and 
> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of 
> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with 
> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 
> records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being 
> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will 
> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> >
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 18:05:42 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 00:05:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
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Aaah, I dunno.  It is sooo damn random.    Sometimes the same database will function for hours without issue.  This morning, it is it misbehaving almost immediately.  Restarted the app and now it is purring along like a little kitten - no errors or anything.  Sheesh.   I don't mind things not working, but it is so much easier to find the problem when there are consistent symptoms.  It is the seemingly randomness that does my head in.  Just when I get relaxed about it, it will fail.   



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who 
> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to 
> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no 
> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  
> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or 
> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started 
> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in 
> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save 
> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some 
> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets 
> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open 
> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing 
> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found 
> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am 
> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks 
> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users 
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  
> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I 
> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, 
> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is 
> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? 
> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is 
> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via 
> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and 
> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of 
> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with 
> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 
> records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being 
> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will 
> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> >
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec  7 18:40:01 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:40:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
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37 tab multipage control ? That's HUGE.

I had horrible experience with multipage in 2007....
I am sure the same bugs have been carried thru to 2010.
Multipage was very "touchy"....especially during design mode.
I could easily crash Access consistently just by moving controls around.





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec  7 19:03:11 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 11:03:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
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Too many open connections with all of those listboxes and subforms?


On 7 Dec 2011 at 23:33, Darryl Collins wrote:
> 
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which
> has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small
> datasets. 
> 




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 19:16:56 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 01:16:56 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE00CCF.25250.F500EBF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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	<4EE00CCF.25250.F500EBF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Thanks guys.  That is the angle I am taking.  Even though I have worked on databases with many more bound controls et al, it seems this is the most likely suspect for these issues. Going to unbound everything and use value only lists in the list boxes. Luckily I have all code to do this fairly quickly.  Should only take a couple of days.

Will let you know how it goes.

Cheers
d

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 12:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Too many open connections with all of those listboxes and subforms?


On 7 Dec 2011 at 23:33, Darryl Collins wrote:
> 
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small 
> datasets.
> 


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 23:22:04 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 00:22:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
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I've got one like this, too. (Don't we all?)

Way back when, I did an app for an insurance company's pension fund arm.
The app worked just fine and everyone was happy, save one problem.
(Preamble: pension funds come and go.) Everything was rock-solid save one
particular report, about 90% of whose data was correct but the remainder
was wonky. I fought this problem on and off for about 6 weeks, to no avail.
Then one day in a meeting, someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day
years. They just wrote off the other 5.26 days as if they didn't exist.
Hence, on about 10& of the records, depending on calendar dates of the
relevant funds, the reports were a few dollars out there and there. Once
this was explained, I commented out all my clever date calculations (e.g.
365.26 is how to anticipate leap years) and pretended the world was flat,
and automagically all the data conformed to the flat earth. Whew! At last,
I was free to find a real job.

A.


From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 07:38:12 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 08:38:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
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	<BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>
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Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"

Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
back in the requirements definition.
The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
coding.

So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?





From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec  8 07:47:23 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 07:47:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this -
	resolved)
Message-ID: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>

Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
plans - no matter how good the builders are!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"

Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
back in the requirements definition.
The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
coding.

So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  8 08:18:12 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 09:18:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Compression - interesting read
Message-ID: <4EE0C724.1040604@colbyconsulting.com>


http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlserverstorageengine/archive/2008/01/18/what-is-page-compression.aspx

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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  8 08:29:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 09:29:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
Message-ID: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>

I had to go find this...

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlserverstorageengine/archive/2008/01/18/details-on-page-compression-page-dictionary.aspx

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when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  8 08:31:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 09:31:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <008301ccb5ae$a1bac290$e53047b0$@net>
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	<008301ccb5ae$a1bac290$e53047b0$@net>
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 > So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?

This is not either / or.  Problems on either end can be just as devastating.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/8/2011 8:38 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
>
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
> back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
> coding.
>
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
>
>
>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  8 09:07:54 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:07:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
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Message-ID: <4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>

Thanks for keeping me company, Darryl.  I'm going to make up a plaque 
that says something like NEVER, NEVER DO IT THE FAST AND EASY WAY.  
LATER ON IT IS GOING TO BITE YOU IN THE SIT-DOWN!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/7/2011 6:59 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Alright.  That sounds like a possible suspect.  I can make a start by unbinding the forms, not hard to do but a bit more coding work.  Heh, Hey Tina.  Thinking of you right now.  I was thinking when I started this - "leaving them bound is fast and easy, but I really should do them unbound like I usually do.  naah it will be ok..." :)
>
> Here is a great example of what I am talking about.  Got a blank version of this database - no data in any of the table.  Been compacted and reopened after deleting the data - copied 40 lines of data (x 2 columns - so 80 fields of simple data data in all) into a table.  Get a "out of resources" message.  Blah!  Oddly it still copies the data in ok, once I press "ok" on the warning msgbox.
>
> *Sigh*.  Will start to unbind the buggers and see if that helps - change to a JIT approach instead.
>
> Thanks Doug!
>
> Cheers
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
> 2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
> connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.
>
> Doug
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins<  darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>>
>> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who
>> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to
>> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no
>> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).
>> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or
>> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>>
>> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which
>> has
>> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the
>> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but
>> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>>
>> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started
>> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in
>> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save
>> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some
>> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets
>> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open
>> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing
>> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
>>
>> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found
>> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am
>> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks
>> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>>
>> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
>> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>>
>> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.
>> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I
>> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now,
>> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>>
>> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is
>> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF?
>> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is
>> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via
>> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>>   But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and
>> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of
>> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with
>> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10
>> records out of a total of 50
>> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being
>> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will
>> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>>
>> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> Darryl Collins
>> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
>> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
>> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>>
>> p: +61 3 9898 3242
>> m: +61 418 381 548
>> f: +61 3 9898 1855
>> e:
>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
>> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  8 09:18:52 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:18:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDD5FC9.21974.4DC27B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA25@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4EDD5FC9.21974.4DC27B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EE0D55C.50508@torchlake.com>

Love it!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/5/2011 7:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> http://www.thinkleadershipideas.com/leadershipideasblog/files/book.php
>
> On 6 Dec 2011 at 0:10, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>
>> But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)
>>
>> Just my thoughts
>> Darryl.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>>
>> I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table
>> and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle
>> layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now.
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 10:49:36 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 11:49:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have
one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I
would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you
use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count
towards the 255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37
tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are
bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there
is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that
it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access
thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double
checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished
with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will
fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some
sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is
where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all
the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is
open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all
set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing
bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort
of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort
of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is
going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
f: +61 3 9898 1855
e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 10:54:21 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 02:54:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this -
	resolved)
In-Reply-To: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EE0EBBD.18032.12B6B59A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

But if you are using Agile methodolgies, that requirement may not be identified until some 
distance down the track.    Building  Flexibility into your design is just as important and 
analysis and coding :-)


On 8 Dec 2011 at 7:47, Dan Waters wrote:

> Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
> plans - no matter how good the builders are!
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
> 
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
> 
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
> back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
> coding.
> 
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
> 
> 
> 
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Dec  8 10:57:25 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 11:57:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Jim,

Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about importing the form into another MDB file?

Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count towards the 255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
f: +61 3 9898 1855
e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 11:03:49 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 03:03:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF041@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Like the "fast and easy"  function I put in an A97 application that I built years ago which  is still 
in use

Functiion Wait(secs as long) as long
DIm t as Single
t = timer
Do
Doevents
Loop until timer = t + secs
End Function

It worked fine for years until a couple of  months ago when they ran a monthly process late at 
night and the Wait function was in the middle of the loop at midnight :-(

-- 
Stuart

On 8 Dec 2011 at 10:07, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> Thanks for keeping me company, Darryl.  I'm going to make up a plaque 
> that says something like NEVER, NEVER DO IT THE FAST AND EASY WAY.  
> LATER ON IT IS GOING TO BITE YOU IN THE SIT-DOWN!
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> 
> On 12/7/2011 6:59 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> > Alright.  That sounds like a possible suspect.  I can make a start by unbinding the forms, not hard to do but a bit more coding work.  Heh, Hey Tina.  Thinking of you right now.  I was thinking when I started this - "leaving them bound is fast and easy, but I really should do them unbound like I usually do.  naah it will be ok..." :)
> >
> > Here is a great example of what I am talking about.  Got a blank version of this database - no data in any of the table.  Been compacted and reopened after deleting the data - copied 40 lines of data (x 2 columns - so 80 fields of simple data data in all) into a table.  Get a "out of resources" message.  Blah!  Oddly it still copies the data in ok, once I press "ok" on the warning msgbox.
> >
> > *Sigh*.  Will start to unbind the buggers and see if that helps - change to a JIT approach instead.
> >
> > Thanks Doug!
> >
> > Cheers
> > D
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> > Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
> >
> > Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
> > 2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
> > connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins<  darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
> >>
> >> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who
> >> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to
> >> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no
> >> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).
> >> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or
> >> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
> >>
> >> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which
> >> has
> >> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the
> >> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but
> >> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
> >>
> >> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started
> >> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in
> >> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save
> >> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some
> >> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets
> >> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open
> >> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing
> >> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
> >>
> >> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found
> >> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am
> >> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks
> >> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
> >>
> >> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> >> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
> >>
> >> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.
> >> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I
> >> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now,
> >> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
> >>
> >> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is
> >> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF?
> >> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is
> >> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via
> >> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
> >>   But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and
> >> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of
> >> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with
> >> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10
> >> records out of a total of 50
> >> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being
> >> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will
> >> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
> >>
> >> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Darryl.
> >>
> >> Darryl Collins
> >> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> >> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> >> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
> >>
> >> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> >> m: +61 418 381 548
> >> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> >> e:
> >> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> >> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
> >>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 11:05:23 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:05:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkg2g9XvPfsHrPEVhafDRO+3PK0f1XKVNSk7qarKfDtxbw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim:

Thanks for correcting my answer - my memory didn't serve me well.  The
problem with my mighty recipe database was the control count.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Couple of comments:
>
> 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only
> have
> one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
> currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
> into the 255 user limit there.
>
> 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
> used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and
> I
> would guess that's what your running into.
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> you didn't run into that one.
>
> 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
> This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as
> you
> use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
> connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will
> count
> towards the 255 limit.
>
> HTH,
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37
> tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are
> bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there
> is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of
> it.
> Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that
> it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access
> thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double
> checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished
> with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> will
> fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some
> sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is
> where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all
> the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1
> is
> open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all
> set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing
> bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that
> sort
> of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that
> sort
> of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what
> is
> going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Dec  8 13:29:15 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:29:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
	-resolved)
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

"Weeks of Computer Programming Can Save You Hours of Planning"  

:-)







-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
-resolved)

Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
plans - no matter how good the builders are!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"

Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out
way
back in the requirements definition.
The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by
crappy
coding.

So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?



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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Thu Dec  8 14:02:59 2011
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 21:02:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do
	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <A921102295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>

Oh what a wonderful statement!
Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Brad Marks
Sendt: 8. december 2011 20:29
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this-resolved)

"Weeks of Computer Programming Can Save You Hours of Planning"  

:-)





From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec  8 14:46:56 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:46:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
	-	resolved)
In-Reply-To: <4EE0EBBD.18032.12B6B59A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<4EE0EBBD.18032.12B6B59A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001301ccb5ea$866c7010$93455030$@comcast.net>

By Definition, if you are using Agile, building flexibility into your design
is one of the developer's requirements!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this -
resolved)

But if you are using Agile methodolgies, that requirement may not be
identified until some 
distance down the track.    Building  Flexibility into your design is just
as important and 
analysis and coding :-)


On 8 Dec 2011 at 7:47, Dan Waters wrote:

> Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with 
> bad plans - no matter how good the builders are!
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
> 
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
> 
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out 
> way back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by 
> crappy coding.
> 
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
> 
> 
> 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 14:52:02 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:52:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF041@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>
	<4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>

I love this story !!!

> Like the "fast and easy"  function I put in an A97 application that I
> built years ago which  is still
> in use
>
> Function Wait(secs as long) as long
> DIm t as Single
> t = timer
> Do
> Doevents
> Loop until timer = t + secs
> End Function
>
> It worked fine for years until a couple of  months ago when they ran a
> monthly process late at
> night and the Wait function was in the middle of the loop at midnight




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 15:06:41 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 07:06:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>
Message-ID: <4EE126E1.21363.139DBBA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep, there was "no way" that this would ever be run other than over a couple of hours during 
a normal work day. :-)

-- 
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On 8 Dec 2011 at 15:52, Mark Simms wrote:

> I love this story !!!
> 
> > Like the "fast and easy"  function I put in an A97 application that I
> > built years ago which  is still
> > in use
> >
> > Function Wait(secs as long) as long
> > DIm t as Single
> > t = timer
> > Do
> > Doevents
> > Loop until timer = t + secs
> > End Function
> >
> > It worked fine for years until a couple of  months ago when they ran a
> > monthly process late at
> > night and the Wait function was in the middle of the loop at midnight
> 
> 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 15:29:21 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:29:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>

Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control count
is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change a
thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then you
have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
Charlotte Foust
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
> reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
> count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
> importing the form into another MDB file?
>
> Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
>
>  Couple of comments:
>
> 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only
> have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
> currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
> into the 255 user limit there.
>
> 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
> used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and
> I would guess that's what your running into.
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> you didn't run into that one.
>
> 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
> This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as
> you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
> connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will
> count towards the 255 limit.
>
> HTH,
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms
> are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case
> there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
> Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search
> that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus
> Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I
> double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I
> finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit
> some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) -
> this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually
> only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they
> are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are
> also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted
> with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the
> problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au
>
> <http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/
>
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 16:07:32 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 08:07:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE13524.23286.13D57150@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That was one of the benefits of EatBloat.

One way to reset the control count  is Application.SaveAsText/LoadFromText.

-- 
Stuart

On 8 Dec 2011 at 13:29, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control count
> is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change a
> thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then you
> have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
> Charlotte Foust
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Heenan, Lambert <
> Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:
> 
> > Jim,
> >
> > Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
> > reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
> > count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
> > importing the form into another MDB file?
> >
> > Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit.
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
> >
> >
> >  Couple of comments:
> >
> > 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only
> > have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
> > currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
> > into the 255 user limit there.
> >
> > 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
> > used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and
> > I would guess that's what your running into.
> >
> > 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> > big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> > does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> > you didn't run into that one.
> >
> > 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
> > This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as
> > you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
> > connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will
> > count towards the 255 limit.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> > Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
> >
> > I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> > it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> > with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> > connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> > tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> > processing at all - basic stuff.
> >
> > The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has
> > 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms
> > are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case
> > there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
> >
> > For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> > error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> > another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
> > Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search
> > that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus
> > Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I
> > double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I
> > finished with them.
> >
> > Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> > piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> > that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> > couple of modules so hard to say:
> >
> > "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> > CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
> >
> > This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> > wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> > could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> > two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
> >
> > The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> > don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> > will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit
> > some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) -
> > this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
> >  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually
> > only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they
> > are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are
> > also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50
> > - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted
> > with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the
> > problem, but what is going here?
> >
> > Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> > Darryl Collins
> > Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> > Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> > Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
> >
> > p: +61 3 9898 3242
> > m: +61 418 381 548
> > f: +61 3 9898 1855
> > e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> > w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au
> >
> > <http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/
> >
> > >
> >
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Dec  8 16:54:41 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 02:54:41 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Compression_Interesting_read_-_part_2?=
In-Reply-To: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>

Hi John --

Yes, this PAGE compression feature makes using natural keys for OLAP systems more preferable than using surrogate keys..

Thank you.

-- Shamil.


08 ??????? 2011, 18:31 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> I had to go find this...
> 
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlserverstorageengine/archive/2008/01/18/details-on-page-compression-page-dictionary.aspx
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
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> when you do not believe in it
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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 17:15:30 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:15:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWyC9Ee5FQSGMBXZFuMzvP-7sgFXy1gM334dz4wE7O9vQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Heenan, Lambert:
>
> Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
> reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
> count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
> importing the form into another MDB file?
>
> Jim Dettman:
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> you didn't run into that one.
>

There is one moderately sneaky way around this limit.  Steps:

1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
and 'text234'.

2. Count the number of controls on your form. With the form in design view,
enter this in the Immediate window:
    ? Forms("frmFoo").Controls.Count

2. Save the form as text, using this command:
    Application.SaveAsText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
edit it to the number of controls +1:
        ItemSuffix =128

4. Backup your Access file. Delete the problem form. Compact & Repair.

5. Import the form using:
    Application.LoadFromText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

You should now be able to add new controls to your previously 'stuck' form.

It is a little work, but probably less than copying all the controls, code
and properties over to a new form.

-Ken


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 17:26:19 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 09:26:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
In-Reply-To: <E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how data page 
compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Dec 2011 at 2:54, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> Hi John --
> 
> Yes, this PAGE compression feature makes using natural keys for OLAP
> systems more preferable than using surrogate keys.. 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil.
> 




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec  8 17:45:35 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:45:35 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
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Well,  Yes and no.   If you are at the absolute limit because you have > 754 controls then you are screwed - and moving to a new form won't help at all.

On an existing form that is corrupt or crashing though, there is hope.  Access forms are a bit stupid it seems when it comes to counting controls.  If you have a single form and add 753 controls, Save the form.  Then you delete the controls and add another 5.  Then the form will crash even though there are only 5 controls on the form.  Trouble is,  the control count is absolute and doesn't decrease when you delete controls - everytime you add a control it adds 1 to the count regardless of if the control still exists or not.

This is highly bothersome if you consistently copy a default type form and then remove and add new controls.  Sooner or later you hit the limit regardless of the number of controls on the form.

In this instance importing the controls into a brand new form DOES help, as the control count starts a zero on a new form.

Many times, on control heavy forms I have used this to get out of bother.  Now why they have the limit, and why it doesn't decrease when delete controls is a question for someone deep in the MS bunker, Redmond WA USA.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control count is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change a thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then you have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
Charlotte Foust
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count 
> gets reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a 
> controls count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? 
> What about importing the form into another MDB file?
>
> Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
>
>  Couple of comments:
>
> 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should 
> only have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always 
> using currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your 
> bumping into the 255 user limit there.
>
> 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID 
> is used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is 
> huge and I would guess that's what your running into.
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch 
> how big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a 
> control does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments 
> it).  Surprised you didn't run into that one.
>
> 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection 
> This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long 
> as you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open 
> ADO connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and 
> will count towards the 255 limit.
>
> HTH,
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl 
> Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who 
> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to 
> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no 
> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  
> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or 
> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started 
> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in 
> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
> Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search 
> that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus 
> Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I 
> double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I 
> finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found 
> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am 
> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks 
> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users 
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  
> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I 
> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, 
> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is 
> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? 
> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is 
> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via 
> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and 
> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of 
> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with 
> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 
> records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being 
> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will 
> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec  8 17:52:53 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:52:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Jim,

Many thanks.  Yep, Point 1 was initially my main concern with using 37 tabs on a single form. I was aware of the control limit on forms and have hit it many times in the past, but usually due to the issue I mentioned in the other post (control count not adjusting when controls are deleted etc).

I feel point 2 is probably what is happening.  2048 sound like a big number, but if every listbox is bound then you can gobble them up rather quickly.  I need to leave some of the subforms bound as I am using them as datasheet views.  However, yesterday I bit the bullet and did what I should have done from day 1 and converted all of the listboxes to Value lists only (waves at Tina ;)).

Whilst I was running out of enthusiasm with the huge shebang and I need to test it a lot more, the database didn't seem to have any more issues (fingers crossed) and using value lists load and respond a darn site faster anyway.  Only down side to them is there is a limit to just how much data you can fit into a value list (at least loading them they I am via an "adstring" command).  In this case it doesn't matter.  Most of the lists only have 1-20 entries anyway - so easy.

I am using DAO for all connections - well I was, I am using an ADO connection to create the listbox strings for the value list.  But that is all working good.

Really appreciate your time and effort on this.

cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 3:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count towards the 255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 19:33:14 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:33:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
In-Reply-To: <4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
	<4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>

PULEASE - no more KEY WARS !!!! (although Shamil is right)

> Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how
> data page compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?




From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 19:35:06 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:35:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55F062E@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55F062E@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <003e01ccb612$c81e3070$585a9150$@net>

Re: "Now why they have the limit, and why it doesn't decrease when delete
controls is a question for someone deep in the MS bunker, Redmond WA USA."
Two words: MEMORY MANAGEMENT

Access is still written in C++ AFAIK.





From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 21:41:04 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 22:41:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do
	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <A921102295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<A921102295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Referring back to my original whine about this problem, in the absence of a
definition of calendar-years, how was I supposed to know there might be a
difference between the real world and the world of pension-funds? A
pension-fund specialist or programmer of apps in this field might have
known to ask this question, but I didn't, nor did any of the
requirements-people deem it worth mentioning.

Granted, now that I've been severely bitten and savaged by this, I know
enough to ask about the definition of a year. But even granting that, what
about the definition of a month? How to handle leap-years? How many
Requirements-meetings shall be consumed discovering these anomalies? Thank
God that I have subsequently learned that Gathering and Verifying
Requirements is a (and perhaps The Most) billable item on the ultimate
invoice; and that any subsequent changes to the Requirements document is
also billable vis-a-vis the Development spec. The beauty part of this
arrangement is that when some flunky wants this to work that way instead of
the previously-accepted spec, I get to say, "Ok, but it's going to cost you
another $10+K. Are you sure you want to make this change?" Which adroitly
punts the ball to her or him, and forces her or him to justify the change
in specs. Even more elegant, all such requests for change are directly
traceable to the person who requested them. LOL. Twice bitten, thrice shy,
as it were. "You want to fork with me? Go ahead, it's all billable,
directly to you! So there, MoFo." Go ahead, stretch your middle-management
muscles, but your bosses will know precisely whom to blame for the OverRuns.

A.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond <ab-mi at post3.tele.dk> wrote:

> Oh what a wonderful statement!
> Asger
>
>


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec  8 22:02:47 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 04:02:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to
	do	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<A921102295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>
	<CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55F0794@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Heh.. Outstanding.  And I totally agree - many times I have ended up making much more mulla than the original spec as the stakeholders are unable to agree on much.  Person X will request this feature, Person Y want something else.  You add both, and then their manager will make changes again - or remove the said functions.  Good for the invoice, but it can be frustrating.  Indeed for one client I almost never deleted any feature they had been requested and built, I would merely turn if 'off' or made it invisible.  It was fairly common for a 'deleted' function to be reinstated in a month or two at the insistence of someone in the organisation.  Fun stuff.  I always document who requested what and when - and often even show it as a line item on the invoice for those hours.  This makes any discussion about budget overruns easier to deal with I find.  Sure, there maybe some heat and fire from the accounting dept, but at least I am not in the firing line ;)

Live and learn...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 2:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this-resolved)

Referring back to my original whine about this problem, in the absence of a definition of calendar-years, how was I supposed to know there might be a difference between the real world and the world of pension-funds? A pension-fund specialist or programmer of apps in this field might have known to ask this question, but I didn't, nor did any of the requirements-people deem it worth mentioning.

Granted, now that I've been severely bitten and savaged by this, I know enough to ask about the definition of a year. But even granting that, what about the definition of a month? How to handle leap-years? How many Requirements-meetings shall be consumed discovering these anomalies? Thank God that I have subsequently learned that Gathering and Verifying Requirements is a (and perhaps The Most) billable item on the ultimate invoice; and that any subsequent changes to the Requirements document is also billable vis-a-vis the Development spec. The beauty part of this arrangement is that when some flunky wants this to work that way instead of the previously-accepted spec, I get to say, "Ok, but it's going to cost you another $10+K. Are you sure you want to make this change?" Which adroitly punts the ball to her or him, and forces her or him to justify the change in specs. Even more elegant, all such requests for change are directly traceable to the person who requested them. LOL. Twice bitten, thrice shy, as it were. "You want to fork with me? Go ahead, it's all billable, directly to you! So there, MoFo." Go ahead, stretch your middle-management muscles, but your bosses will know precisely whom to blame for the OverRuns.

A.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond <ab-mi at post3.tele.dk> wrote:

> Oh what a wonderful statement!
> Asger
>
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec  9 03:26:35 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:26:35 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Compression_Interesting_read_-_part_2?=
In-Reply-To: <4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
	<4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E1RYwix-0001or-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f14.mail.ru>

Hi Stuart --

Thank you for your question.

AFAIU MS SQL page compression feature substitutes all the duplicate entries in data records columns of  a DB file page by one/two/... bytes long references to "dictionary" area located on the same page.
By "duplicate entries" are meant not only full length columns' values but also their  values' leading parts...
Please read the articles/blog entries JC referred in his postings for details.

Please correct me if you'll find I'm wrong.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S.  Stuart, please note I've written "using natural keys for *OLAP* systems" - I have no any intentions in re-starting "surrogate vs. natural keys" generic discussion covering OLTP systems - I'm *currently* strong advocate of using surrogate keys in OLTP systems.... 


09 ??????? 2011, 03:27 ?? "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>:
> Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how data page
> compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> On 9 Dec 2011 at 2:54, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> 
> > Hi John --
> >
> > Yes, this PAGE compression feature makes using natural keys for OLAP
> > systems more preferable than using surrogate keys..
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > -- Shamil.
> >
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec  9 03:30:29 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:30:29 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Compression_Interesting_read_-_part_2?=
In-Reply-To: <003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>
Message-ID: <E1RYwmj-0001Mc-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f139.mail.ru>

Hi Mark --

Yes, no KEY WARS - you can see my reply to Stuart where I outlined that I do not have any intentions for a war/flame like that.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


09 ??????? 2011, 05:34 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> PULEASE - no more KEY WARS !!!! (although Shamil is right)
> 
> > Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how
> > data page compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  9 03:43:07 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 19:43:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
In-Reply-To: <E1RYwmj-0001Mc-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f139.mail.ru>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>,
	<E1RYwmj-0001Mc-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f139.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4EE1D82B.9612.16524732@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I wasn't trying to start a war either :-)

I just couldn't see the relationship between  data compression and the different type of keys.   

I'm still not sure that I do, I will have to look at the original article more carefully.


On 9 Dec 2011 at 13:30, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> Hi Mark --
> 
> Yes, no KEY WARS - you can see my reply to Stuart where I outlined that I do not have any intentions for a war/flame like that.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> 09  2011, 05:34  "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> > PULEASE - no more KEY WARS !!!! (although Shamil is right)
> > 
> > > Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how
> > > data page compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?
> > 
> > --
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Dec  9 04:07:28 2011
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:07:28 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error
Message-ID: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>

It is getting late.  Can anyone see why I am getting error 91 Object 
variable or With block variable not set) when the "Set rst2" line is 
run?  I have checked the value of strSQL and it looks ok.  I have put 
the sql into a query and it returns the expected result.  Could it be 
because OpenRecordset doesn't like group by queries?

     Dim db As DAO.Database, rst2 As DAO.Recordset, strSQL As String

     Set db = CurrentDb()

     strSQL = "SELECT Sum(UnitAmt) AS TotalAmt, 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblTenantInvoiceMeter INNER JOIN 
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran ON 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceMeterID = 
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran.TenantInvoiceMeterIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "GROUP BY 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo HAVING 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo = 9"
     Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 



From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Dec  9 04:22:23 2011
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:22:23 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error
In-Reply-To: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.c o.nz>
References: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <20111209102235.CGYG28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>

Never mind.  I found it - I had closed db in an earlier part of the 
code between setting it and referring to rst2.

At 9/12/2011, David Emerson wrote:
>It is getting late.  Can anyone see why I am getting error 91 Object 
>variable or With block variable not set) when the "Set rst2" line is 
>run?  I have checked the value of strSQL and it looks ok.  I have 
>put the sql into a query and it returns the expected result.  Could 
>it be because OpenRecordset doesn't like group by queries?
>
>     Dim db As DAO.Database, rst2 As DAO.Recordset, strSQL As String
>
>     Set db = CurrentDb()
>
>     strSQL = "SELECT Sum(UnitAmt) AS TotalAmt, 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo "
>     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblTenantInvoiceMeter INNER JOIN 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran ON 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceMeterID = 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran.TenantInvoiceMeterIDNo "
>     strSQL = strSQL & "GROUP BY 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo HAVING 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo = 9"
>     Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>Dalyn Software Ltd
>Wellington, New Zealand
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  9 08:10:03 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 06:10:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error
In-Reply-To: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <CFF61765E36E42D6B70F1FC1FD385362@HAL9007>

I can't see it either but what I do in cases like this is put strSQL into a
text box on my form, then copy the contest of the text box to the SQL view
of a new query and go to design view.  If it makes it that far, I run it.
Lots of times it will tell me what the real error is.

The error 91 would seem to be pointing to db as not being set.  Is the
reference to DAO set correctly?

The next thing I'd do is Dim db2 as dao.Databaser and set db2 = CurrentDb.
Then use db2 to set rst2 and see if it makes a difference.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 2:07 AM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error

It is getting late.  Can anyone see why I am getting error 91 Object
variable or With block variable not set) when the "Set rst2" line is run?  I
have checked the value of strSQL and it looks ok.  I have put the sql into a
query and it returns the expected result.  Could it be because OpenRecordset
doesn't like group by queries?

     Dim db As DAO.Database, rst2 As DAO.Recordset, strSQL As String

     Set db = CurrentDb()

     strSQL = "SELECT Sum(UnitAmt) AS TotalAmt,
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblTenantInvoiceMeter INNER JOIN
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran ON tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceMeterID =
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran.TenantInvoiceMeterIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "GROUP BY
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo HAVING
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo = 9"
     Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 10:41:59 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:41:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE126E1.21363.139DBBA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>
	<4EE126E1.21363.139DBBA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EE23A57.40009@torchlake.com>

Oh boy!  Yeah, the user has a very different perspective from the developer.

My township had an Excel spreadsheet for registered voters.  The state 
developed a new standard and the spreadsheet had to be updated to 
match.  Of course, in the township's spreadsheet the voter's name was 
just one cell, with no standardization for data entry (my name, for 
instance, could have been entered as "Tina Norris Fields," "Fields, Tina 
N.," "Fields, Tina Norris," "Mr.s Tina Fields," and any other 
configurations you can think of).  So, I was asked to help.  When it got 
to the field for a name suffix, such as "Jr.," "Sr.," "III," "Esq." and 
the like, the office assistant actually said to me, "No, we don't have 
to worry about that, there aren't that many of them."  It had never 
dawned on her that the field would be required if there was even one 
person with a name suffix.

I get it that our different perspectives color the way we see the 
problem.  I just haven't figured out how to properly anticipate the 
user's likely take on it.  :-)

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/8/2011 4:06 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Yep, there was "no way" that this would ever be run other than over a couple of hours during
> a normal work day. :-)
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 10:42:55 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:42:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do
	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <4EE23A8F.4020205@torchlake.com>

ROTFLMAO!!!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/8/2011 2:29 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> "Weeks of Computer Programming Can Save You Hours of Planning"
>
> :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:47 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
> -resolved)
>
> Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
> plans - no matter how good the builders are!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
>
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
>
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out
> way
> back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by
> crappy
> coding.
>
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
>
>
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 10:45:36 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:45:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to
	dothis-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><A9211
	02295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>
	<CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE23B30.2050302@torchlake.com>

Yay, Arthur!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/8/2011 10:41 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Referring back to my original whine about this problem, in the absence of a
> definition of calendar-years, how was I supposed to know there might be a
> difference between the real world and the world of pension-funds? A
> pension-fund specialist or programmer of apps in this field might have
> known to ask this question, but I didn't, nor did any of the
> requirements-people deem it worth mentioning.
>
> Granted, now that I've been severely bitten and savaged by this, I know
> enough to ask about the definition of a year. But even granting that, what
> about the definition of a month? How to handle leap-years? How many
> Requirements-meetings shall be consumed discovering these anomalies? Thank
> God that I have subsequently learned that Gathering and Verifying
> Requirements is a (and perhaps The Most) billable item on the ultimate
> invoice; and that any subsequent changes to the Requirements document is
> also billable vis-a-vis the Development spec. The beauty part of this
> arrangement is that when some flunky wants this to work that way instead of
> the previously-accepted spec, I get to say, "Ok, but it's going to cost you
> another $10+K. Are you sure you want to make this change?" Which adroitly
> punts the ball to her or him, and forces her or him to justify the change
> in specs. Even more elegant, all such requests for change are directly
> traceable to the person who requested them. LOL. Twice bitten, thrice shy,
> as it were. "You want to fork with me? Go ahead, it's all billable,
> directly to you! So there, MoFo." Go ahead, stretch your middle-management
> muscles, but your bosses will know precisely whom to blame for the OverRuns.
>
> A.
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond<ab-mi at post3.tele.dk>  wrote:
>
>> Oh what a wonderful statement!
>> Asger
>>
>>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Dec  9 10:55:24 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:55:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>


  No, un-changed, and nope.  

  Every control you create increments the count.  Deleting a control does
not decrement it, so the count only goes up.

  Importing into a new DB does not reset the count.  Once you hit the limit,
all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.  You
can't add any more controls to the existing form.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Jim,

Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
importing the form into another MDB file?

Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have
one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I
would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection This
is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you use
it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO connections,
each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count towards the
255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37
tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are
bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there
is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that
it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access
thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double
checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished
with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will
fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some
sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is
where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all
the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is
open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all
set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing
bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort
of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort
of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is
going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 11:41:03 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:41:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jL533rqO8N_2sdvU_hyemEpSDiwLPHYPYA9_XxEw62RQ@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting theory, which I am in no position to prove or disprove. But I
am thinking of JC's JIT-tabbed forms construct. Are you suggesting that
despite JC's innovative solution to the many-tabs problem, that all this
shyte  remains in memory despite JC's unloading of the various sub-forms?
Alternatively, am I missing the point completely? (Wouldn't be the first
time!)

A.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  No, un-changed, and nope.
>
>  Every control you create increments the count.  Deleting a control does
> not decrement it, so the count only goes up.
>
>  Importing into a new DB does not reset the count.  Once you hit the limit,
> all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.  You
> can't add any more controls to the existing form.
>
> Jim.
>
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec  9 12:08:23 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:08:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
Message-ID: <000a01ccb69d$8b0d7f20$a1287d60$@net>

Is there some VBA to do this ?

> all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.




From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Dec  9 13:25:17 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 13:25:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Controlling an Access 2007 EIS Application via RealVNC on
	the iPad - almost as good as Angry Birds
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS><B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net><413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
	<000a01ccb69d$8b0d7f20$a1287d60$@net>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C8A8@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

I have built an Executive Information System (reports, graphs, gauges,
etc.) 
with Access 2007 that runs on a remote server.  Most of the data comes
from 
a SQL Server database.  The remote server has the "server component" of
a 
remote control product called RealVNC.

Last week I learned that there was a $5.00 RealVNC "Client" component 
available for the iPad.  (I believe that the "Server" component 
is about $50.00)

You folks may already being using this kind of stuff, but this was a new

adventure for me.

Picture this... sitting in the living room at night, feet up on the 
recliner, beer in one hand,  "Dancing with the Stars" on TV, fireplace
is 
stoked up (Minnesota), pretending to be carrying on a conversation with
my 
wife, but really controlling the EIS Access application on the iPad.  As
we used to say in 
the 1960's "Wow... far out - this is a whole bunch of groovey".  I guess
the 
younger generation would say something like "This Rocks".  

Anyway, being able to use this application on the iPad (and future
iPhone) 
opens up all kinds of new possibilities.   Admittedly this isn't the
ticket 
for an application that demands a ton of data entry, but for an inquiry 
system, it seems pretty cool.

The only problem is that we may now need to get a second iPad as my
wife, 
kids, and two grandkids are pretty hooked on Angry Birds  :-)

Brad     



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  9 13:29:42 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:29:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jL533rqO8N_2sdvU_hyemEpSDiwLPHYPYA9_XxEw62RQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jL533rqO8N_2sdvU_hyemEpSDiwLPHYPYA9_XxEw62RQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE261A6.4080505@colbyconsulting.com>

 >Are you suggesting that despite JC's innovative solution to the many-tabs problem, that all this 
shyte  remains in memory despite JC's unloading of the various sub-forms?

Nope it doesn't remain in memory if the subform on a tab unloads when you click off a tab.

All objects on any form or subform loads into memory when the form loads, and unloads when the form 
unloads.  My JIT stuff simply delays the loading of the subform until the user clicks the tab that 
the subform is on.  I then (may) unload the subform(s) on that tab when the user clicks on another 
tab.

The database connections form a pool.  As any object in Access needs a connection, it goes to the 
pool to get one and when that object closes it returns the connection to the pool.

The objects on a form are related to the number of available connections in that when it is time to 
load a form, all connections that the loading form needs have to exist (be available) when the form 
loads.  However as the form unloads, it returns the connections back to the pool.  That is quite the 
point of JIT subforms, to only get the connections when the user actually cares (is trying to look 
at the subform) and return these precious connections once the user moves on.

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the number of objects (controls) a form can contain 
initially or how many can be added to the form right now.  Each form has a similar pool of controls 
that it can add.  The difference is that as you delete a control off a form it does not return that 
"spot" in the pool back to the pool.  Thus over time, as you add and delete controls on the form, 
the number of available "spots" slowly diminishes until they are all used up.

This "objects on a given form" pool has nothing to do with the "available database connections" pool.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/9/2011 12:41 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Interesting theory, which I am in no position to prove or disprove. But I
> am thinking of JC's JIT-tabbed forms construct. Are you suggesting that
> despite JC's innovative solution to the many-tabs problem, that all this
> shyte  remains in memory despite JC's unloading of the various sub-forms?
> Alternatively, am I missing the point completely? (Wouldn't be the first
> time!)
>
> A.



From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 14:21:53 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:21:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>

Stuart, Darryl, Charlotte & Jim:


> Stuart McLachlan:
> ...
> One way to reset the control count  is Application.SaveAsText/LoadFromText.
>

This does not work by itself. You have to reset the ItemSuffix attribute in
the resulting text file before loading it back in. And, you can't have any
controls with default names.

See my earlier post under this topic.

Darryl Collins:
> ...
> In this instance importing the controls into a brand new form DOES help,
> as the control count starts a zero on a new form.
> Many times, on control heavy forms I have used this to get out of bother.
>  Now why they have the limit, and why it doesn't decrease when delete
> controls is a question for someone deep in the MS bunker, Redmond WA USA
>

Try my variation on the SaveAsText/LoadFromText method that I outlined in
my earlier post. I have verified this to work.

Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but there
are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving 754
for the user.

Charlotte Foust:
> ...
> Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control
> count is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change
> a thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then
> you have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
>


> Jim Dettman:
> ...
> Importing into a new DB does not reset the count.  Once you hit the limit,
> all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.  You
> can't add any more controls to the existing form.
>

You both are right that imports and form copies don't reset the count. You
can only copy the controls, code and properties to a new form, or use my
technique.

-Ken


From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec  9 18:22:48 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 19:22:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>

Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but
there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving
754 for the user."

Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME WHY
WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 10 09:44:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:44:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
Message-ID: <4EE37E52.2090702@colbyconsulting.com>

Well there are much more important things in life than the number of controls on a form.  Like 
pretty tool bars.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/9/2011 7:22 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but
> there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving
> 754 for the user."
>
> Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME WHY
> WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?
>
>



From john at winhaven.net  Sat Dec 10 10:04:07 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:04:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <4EE37E52.2090702@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>	<008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
	<4EE37E52.2090702@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <038e01ccb755$58d63c00$0a82b400$@winhaven.net>

A-hem, that's "Ribbons"

;o)

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 9:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Well there are much more important things in life than the number of
controls on a form.  Like pretty tool bars.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/9/2011 7:22 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, 
> but there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the 
> application, leaving
> 754 for the user."
>
> Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS 
> TIME WHY WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?
>
>

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 21:14:28 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:14:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
Message-ID: <00d701ccb7b2$ff06d000$fd147000$@gmail.com>

I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation. Especially
a number like 754! Number theorists, have at it!

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Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but
there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving
754 for the user."

Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME WHY
WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec 11 18:17:22 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:17:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <00d701ccb7b2$ff06d000$fd147000$@gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
	<00d701ccb7b2$ff06d000$fd147000$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501ccb863$6b5e5880$421b0980$@net>

Bill -What Balmer did recently was to "distribute" the product manager role
for Access.
There are now multiple product managers...all over the globe.

>From what I know, Clint Covington is either no longer involved or no longer
with Microsoft.
I'm sure he had taken a LOT of heat past 3 years.
So he got out of the kitchen, so-to-speak.
Now, NO ONE PERSON is responsible for Access.

Slick move by Balmer, eh ?
Never liked the guy, never will.





From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 10:17:37 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:17:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 10:31:38 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:31:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
Message-ID: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


From cjlabs at att.net  Mon Dec 12 10:39:58 2011
From: cjlabs at att.net (Carolyn Johnson)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:39:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>

Rocky,

I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing correctly in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

 Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access 2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


Carolyn Johnson



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  From: Rocky Smolin 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Dear List:
   
  I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
  however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
  housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
  code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
   
  Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
   
  I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
  customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
  support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
  them the system.
   
  MTIA
   
  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software
  858-259-4334
  www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
  www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
  Skype: rocky.smolin
   
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 10:56:56 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:56:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
	<F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>
Message-ID: <A83D0BB77AB9434B882141684418653D@HAL9007>

Do you think the maximize problem is an artifact of the resizing code?

The ADH code has caused me some problems over the years, but has been pretty
reliable.  I've got a lot of forms to change over so I'm not anxious to
switch but if I have to...

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Rocky,

I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing correctly
in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

 Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access
2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is
available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


Carolyn Johnson



----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Dear List:
   
  I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
  however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
  housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
  code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
   
  Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
   
  I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
  customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
  support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
  them the system.
   
  MTIA
   
  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software
  858-259-4334
  www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
  www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
  Skype: rocky.smolin
   
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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Mon Dec 12 10:57:28 2011
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:57:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From cjlabs at att.net  Mon Dec 12 11:06:50 2011
From: cjlabs at att.net (Carolyn Johnson)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:06:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>
	<A83D0BB77AB9434B882141684418653D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <6126DBCEE4A74D8DB9A87053C941E480@Dell>

It's difficult for me to say.  I have about 100 users for different databases, all on different computers, and was getting some complaints about screens not fitting the monitors and controls moving to the wrong place.   But it's hard to know exactly what was going on in the different situations -- the users are generally not reliable reporters.   I had been using ADH since 1999 or so and was reluctant to switch as well.

I'm getting fewer complaints with AD Tejpal's code.  I just did a mass find and replace with some occasional editing -- it went pretty smoothly.  

But you may be having a different issue if it's just a maximizing problem.


Carolyn Johnson


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Do you think the maximize problem is an artifact of the resizing code?

  The ADH code has caused me some problems over the years, but has been pretty
  reliable.  I've got a lot of forms to change over so I'm not anxious to
  switch but if I have to...

  Rocky


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

  Rocky,

  I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing correctly
  in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

  I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

   Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access
  2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is
  available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


  Carolyn Johnson



  ----- Original Message -----
    From: Rocky Smolin
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


    Dear List:
     
    I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
    however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
    housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
    code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
     
    Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
     
    I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
    customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
    support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
    them the system.
     
    MTIA
     
    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software
    858-259-4334
    www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
    www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
    Skype: rocky.smolin
     
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 11:21:01 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:21:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <6126DBCEE4A74D8DB9A87053C941E480@Dell>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell><A83D0BB77AB9434B882141684418653D@HAL9007>
	<6126DBCEE4A74D8DB9A87053C941E480@Dell>
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So far just maximizing.  Forms in question open down and to the right.  When
I drag them up and to the left so I can see the control box, and click the
maximize button, it maximizes just fine with all the controls correctly
sized for the monitor.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

It's difficult for me to say.  I have about 100 users for different
databases, all on different computers, and was getting some complaints about
screens not fitting the monitors and controls moving to the wrong place.
But it's hard to know exactly what was going on in the different situations
-- the users are generally not reliable reporters.   I had been using ADH
since 1999 or so and was reluctant to switch as well.

I'm getting fewer complaints with AD Tejpal's code.  I just did a mass find
and replace with some occasional editing -- it went pretty smoothly.  

But you may be having a different issue if it's just a maximizing problem.


Carolyn Johnson


----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Do you think the maximize problem is an artifact of the resizing code?

  The ADH code has caused me some problems over the years, but has been
pretty
  reliable.  I've got a lot of forms to change over so I'm not anxious to
  switch but if I have to...

  Rocky


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

  Rocky,

  I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing
correctly
  in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

  I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

   Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access
  2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is
  available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


  Carolyn Johnson



  ----- Original Message -----
    From: Rocky Smolin
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


    Dear List:
     
    I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
    however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort
of
    housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form
resizing
    code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
     
    Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
     
    I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
    customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
    support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
    them the system.
     
    MTIA
     
    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software
    858-259-4334
    www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
    www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
    Skype: rocky.smolin
     
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 11:27:10 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:27:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
In-Reply-To: <EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B927@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Mon Dec 12 11:33:41 2011
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:33:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
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Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 12:25:41 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:25:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
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That is kind of what I was thinking. Trying to do something that cannot be done. Thanks for confirming it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Mon Dec 12 12:53:14 2011
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:53:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
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References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com><EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov><0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B927@houex1.kindermorgan.com><EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C4@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B939@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
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Doh, wait.  Sorry, I didn't really bother to try to understand WHAT you're trying to do - just looked at your syntax.  If you're trying to insert a row containing the count of active flowing wells for each EngArea, something like this should do it:

INSERT INTO
  [tbl Monthly Well Count] 
  (EngArea, [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count])
  (
    SELECT
      a.EngArea,
      Count(a.PID)
    FROM
      [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] as a
    WHERE
      a.Status in ("FL","FM","FH")
    GROUP BY
      a.EngArea
  )

Where I've specified [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count] above, substitute the name of the column in the destination table where you want to place the count.

Again, not sure if Access requires the subQ to be in parens.  If this chokes try removing them.

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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

That is kind of what I was thinking. Trying to do something that cannot be done. Thanks for confirming it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 13:40:44 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:40:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
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I used your suggestion but was getting some duplicates. Here is the final solution I ended up with. Thanks for the help

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] ( [Eng Area], [Well Count] )
SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Doh, wait.  Sorry, I didn't really bother to try to understand WHAT you're trying to do - just looked at your syntax.  If you're trying to insert a row containing the count of active flowing wells for each EngArea, something like this should do it:

INSERT INTO
  [tbl Monthly Well Count] 
  (EngArea, [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count])
  (
    SELECT
      a.EngArea,
      Count(a.PID)
    FROM
      [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] as a
    WHERE
      a.Status in ("FL","FM","FH")
    GROUP BY
      a.EngArea
  )

Where I've specified [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count] above, substitute the name of the column in the destination table where you want to place the count.

Again, not sure if Access requires the subQ to be in parens.  If this chokes try removing them.

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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

That is kind of what I was thinking. Trying to do something that cannot be done. Thanks for confirming it.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Mon Dec 12 14:25:59 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:25:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCDE Questions
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C9A2@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

I have an Access 2007 application that I have been deploying as an ACCDR
file to a small number of users.

Recently, I have been thinking about deploying it as an ACCDE file.  I
have some basic questions.

Is there a way to generate an ACCDE file via a batch script with Command
Line Switches?  I have done some digging but have not been able to find
a way to do this.

If I create an ACCDE file, it appears that I can rename it to ACCDR to
accomplish further "lock down".  Is this Okay to do?

Are there any "Gotchas" that a person should be aware of when using
ACCDE files?   The application in question does not allow users to
change any form, report, VBA code, etc.  However, there is VBA code that
does change query defs behind the scenes.  Is this going to be a problem
with an ACCDE file?

Thanks,
Brad



From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 14:51:10 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:51:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yVHVPQqoyTXP1Qin9xmYLfGy4K_eOWPJ0pe+0rvMCj84g@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation. Especially
> a number like 754! Number theorists, have at it!
>

I can account for 255 of the 'missing' controls: Access queries have a 255
field limit. Correspondingly, on an Access form, there are 255 AccessField
objects reserved for holding query row values.

AccessField objects allow you to refer to the underlying field's value
without binding it to a control

Subtract 255 from 1024 and you get 769. So that is 754 user controls, plus
15 'system reserved'. These could be things like navigation buttons, record
selectors, datasheet support, PrtDevMode and PrtMip.

Mark Simms:
> Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME
> WHY
> WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED
>

I can't give you specifics, but I can tell you that a project like Access
has a tremendous amount of inertia. Unless you build in flexibility from
the very beginning, changing fundamental constants when a project is mature
becomes very difficult.

The cost of fixing all the things that would break when changing limits
like this would likely exceed the cost of building a new system from
scratch.

Thus, the emphasis on 'window dressing'. Its all flash and noise dedicated
to selling the same old thing, which buys time for newer projects like
LightSwitch to gain traction.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 15:10:29 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:10:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Mark Simms
> Is there some VBA to do this ?
>
> > all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.
>

Yes, I developed just such a product. It copies all controls and form
properties over, and all properties for each control, rebuilding the form
from scratch. It worked perfectly.

Doing a half-assed version in VBA is not so hard. Doing it right is really,
really involved. You are really better off doing it by hand.

The kicker is I did this when I worked for another company, and they own
the rights to the code, so I can't distribute it. Maybe one day I will make
the case for them to BSD-license it.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 15:26:50 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:26:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>

To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
control names.

When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.

The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
control could already exist, and then you're stuck.

That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.

It was to avoid name collisions.

So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution for
what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.

-Ken


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 15:31:44 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:31:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8jG+eNbCYb_Be6P1WiKJjVJ5BXsO-Pw+8j+FvovtE+zQ@mail.gmail.com>

Amen, Ken.  I used to have code to build forms using a code library and
some templates.  It was a complicated operation and took me forever to make
it work, and I discovered that doing it by hand was easier.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Kenneth Ismert <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Mark Simms
> > Is there some VBA to do this ?
> >
> > > all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.
> >
>
> Yes, I developed just such a product. It copies all controls and form
> properties over, and all properties for each control, rebuilding the form
> from scratch. It worked perfectly.
>
> Doing a half-assed version in VBA is not so hard. Doing it right is really,
> really involved. You are really better off doing it by hand.
>
> The kicker is I did this when I worked for another company, and they own
> the rights to the code, so I can't distribute it. Maybe one day I will make
> the case for them to BSD-license it.
>
> -Ken
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>
>


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec 12 17:19:09 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:19:09 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
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References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
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Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know, but you are not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010, however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to support two version and find out which version they're on before sending them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec 12 17:21:29 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:21:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Ken,

That is a good and clear explanation.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)

>
> William Benson:
> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>

To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default control names.

When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.

The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter, especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a control could already exist, and then you're stuck.

That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.

It was to avoid name collisions.

So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.

-Ken
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Dec 12 17:41:56 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:41:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008501ccb927$a31e3230$e95a9690$@net>

Wow - thanks for the "heads-up" Ken. Very impressive.

> Doing a half-assed version in VBA is not so hard. Doing it right is
> really, really involved. You are really better off doing it by hand.
>




From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Dec 12 17:44:33 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:44:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
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References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8jG+eNbCYb_Be6P1WiKJjVJ5BXsO-Pw+8j+FvovtE+zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008601ccb928$009f6be0$01de43a0$@net>

But let me ask...for complex forms with a lot of controls in specific
positions and "tight registration"...
Isn't the manual rebuild a monumental task in some cases ?

> Amen, Ken.  I used to have code to build forms using a code library and
> some templates.  It was a complicated operation and took me forever to
> make it work, and I discovered that doing it by hand was easier.
>
> Charlotte Foust




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 18:36:52 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:36:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Thanks Ken,
>
> That is a good and clear explanation.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> >
> > William Benson:
> > I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
> >
>
> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
> control names.
>
> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>
> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>
> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>
> It was to avoid name collisions.
>
> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>
> -Ken
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 19:01:03 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:01:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <008601ccb928$009f6be0$01de43a0$@net>
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You might change your mind if you start writing code to copy the controls
over!  The code I had took me forever to write and tweak and I did it only
because I was building UIs for survey input that included questions and
answers and used multiple subforms and navigation buttons based on a
limited set of control types to capture specific types of data.  There was
never a time when it was totally automated.  I only built the code because
the company's business was corporate direct marketing and I was building
survey UIs on a daily basis.  It wouldn't have been worth it otherwise.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> But let me ask...for complex forms with a lot of controls in specific
> positions and "tight registration"...
> Isn't the manual rebuild a monumental task in some cases ?
>
> > Amen, Ken.  I used to have code to build forms using a code library and
> > some templates.  It was a complicated operation and took me forever to
> > make it work, and I discovered that doing it by hand was easier.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 19:24:49 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:24:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <B86467722A74459FA07B65E27F1774F7@HAL9007>

It's a comfort. :) 

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the
role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were
only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to
turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was definitely
an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know, but you are
not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 08:31:59 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:31:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>


 The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:

A2000 - 800
A2002 - 894
A2007 - 1040
A2010 - 1040

  Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.  

  These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
objects, but what that process is is un-clear.

Jim.

Public Sub CheckControlCreation()

  Dim frm As Form
  Dim ctlText As Control
  Dim ctlLabel As Control
  Dim intK As Integer

  ' Create form based on Customers form.
  Set frm = CreateForm()

  For intK = 1 To 2000

    ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
    Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)

    ' Create child label control for text box.
    Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "", 100,
100)
    
    Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
  
  Next intK

End Sub 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Thanks Ken,
>
> That is a good and clear explanation.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> >
> > William Benson:
> > I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
> >
>
> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
> control names.
>
> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>
> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>
> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>
> It was to avoid name collisions.
>
> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>
> -Ken
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Dec 13 08:33:46 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:33:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <B86467722A74459FA07B65E27F1774F7@HAL9007>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C13023DCE8D@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Any possibility there is an unhandled runtime error which stops Access
from doing what it should?

In order to trouble-chute this you could remove most of the
functionality from those forms and see whether you get better
reaction...

Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

It's a comfort. :) 

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl
Collins
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left
the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they
were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is
likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing
was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I
know, but you are not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort
of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form
resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 09:15:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:15:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Wow!

Obviously you need answers badly or you don't have enough paying work.  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 9:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>
>    Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
> some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
> which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.
>
>    These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
> objects, but what that process is is un-clear.
>
> Jim.
>
> Public Sub CheckControlCreation()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
> intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "", 100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
> On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins"<darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ken,
>>
>> That is a good and clear explanation.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>> A2010....)
>>
>>>
>>> William Benson:
>>> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>>>
>>
>> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
>> control names.
>>
>> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
>> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
>> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>>
>> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
>> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
>> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
>> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
>> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>>
>> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
>> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>>
>> It was to avoid name collisions.
>>
>> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
>> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
>> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>>
>> -Ken
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 09:32:39 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:32:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <4EE76C10.4050400@colbyconsulting.com>
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 Have always been curious about the limit; 754 is just such an odd number.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Wow!

Obviously you need answers badly or you don't have enough paying work.  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 9:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>
>    Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
> some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
> which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.
>
>    These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
> objects, but what that process is is un-clear.
>
> Jim.
>
> Public Sub CheckControlCreation()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
> intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "",
100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
> On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins"<darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ken,
>>
>> That is a good and clear explanation.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>> A2010....)
>>
>>>
>>> William Benson:
>>> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>>>
>>
>> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
>> control names.
>>
>> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
>> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
>> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>>
>> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
>> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
>> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
>> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
>> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>>
>> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
>> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>>
>> It was to avoid name collisions.
>>
>> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
>> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
>> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>>
>> -Ken
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
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>>
>>
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 09:39:35 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:39:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <5B9F45562C414FF89415B34BFB2F845A@XPS>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
	<4EE76C10.4050400@colbyconsulting.com>
	<5B9F45562C414FF89415B34BFB2F845A@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jQpTY5p_rsQPJehHstjDx3KGB_RDVMcDJ3N9LnPducUQ@mail.gmail.com>

First, it's an even number, not odd. And second, a WAG... 768 - 14 overhead
bytes? LOL.
A.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>wrote:

>
>  Have always been curious about the limit; 754 is just such an odd number.
>
> Jim.
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 09:58:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:58:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <5B9F45562C414FF89415B34BFB2F845A@XPS>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
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	<5B9F45562C414FF89415B34BFB2F845A@XPS>
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 >754 is just such an odd number.

That it is!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 10:32 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   Have always been curious about the limit; 754 is just such an odd number.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:15 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Wow!
>
> Obviously you need answers badly or you don't have enough paying work.  ;)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/13/2011 9:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>>
>>    The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
>> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
>> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>>
>> A2000 - 800
>> A2002 - 894
>> A2007 - 1040
>> A2010 - 1040
>>
>>     Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
>> some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
>> which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.
>>
>>     These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
>> objects, but what that process is is un-clear.
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> Public Sub CheckControlCreation()
>>
>>     Dim frm As Form
>>     Dim ctlText As Control
>>     Dim ctlLabel As Control
>>     Dim intK As Integer
>>
>>     ' Create form based on Customers form.
>>     Set frm = CreateForm()
>>
>>     For intK = 1 To 2000
>>
>>       ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>>       Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
>> intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)
>>
>>       ' Create child label control for text box.
>>       Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "",
> 100,
>> 100)
>>
>>       Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>>
>>     Next intK
>>
>> End Sub
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
>> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>> A2010....)
>>
>> Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
>> On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins"<darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Ken,
>>>
>>> That is a good and clear explanation.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Darryl.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>>> A2010....)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> William Benson:
>>>> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>>>>
>>>
>>> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
>>> control names.
>>>
>>> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
>>> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
>>> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>>>
>>> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
>>> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
>>> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
>>> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
>>> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>>>
>>> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
>>> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>>>
>>> It was to avoid name collisions.
>>>
>>> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
>>> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
>>> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>>>
>>> -Ken
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>



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Dec 13 10:06:00 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:06:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C13023DCE8D@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><B86467722A74459FA07B65E27F1774F7@HAL9007>
	<E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C13023DCE8D@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <B20D388147DF45A0A14B3EE33F2FBBB9@HAL9007>

Gotta try that.  Awkward because I need to make the mde in 2003 then copy to
machine #2 to test.  But I'll give it a whirl.

"an unhandled runtime error which stops Access from doing what it should?"
Is there such a thing?


R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Any possibility there is an unhandled runtime error which stops Access from
doing what it should?

In order to trouble-chute this you could remove most of the functionality
from those forms and see whether you get better reaction...

Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

It's a comfort. :) 

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the
role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were
only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to
turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was definitely
an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know, but you are
not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Dec 13 11:11:24 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:11:24 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Excel_Web_App_hosted_on_SkyDrive=2E=2E?=
	=?utf-8?q?=2E?=
Message-ID: <E1RaVsy-0005J8-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f204.mail.ru>

Hi All,

FYI: http://www.excelmashup.com/

Thank you.

-- Shamil?

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 11:21:55 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:21:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FYI: Excel Web App hosted on SkyDrive...
In-Reply-To: <E1RaVsy-0005J8-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f204.mail.ru>
References: <E1RaVsy-0005J8-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f204.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4EE789B3.2030104@colbyconsulting.com>

I spend all of my day trying to prevent my data from getting mashed up and then Microsoft promotes this!

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 12:11 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> FYI: http://www.excelmashup.com/
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 15:22:51 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:22:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4_R4NnrR9v3pmmGUVe1Jv+_fpY2Ug+dJSuB9kyXVYLzA@mail.gmail.com>

As far as unhandled error what I was wondering is that maybe if perhaps an
mde keeps users out of the code, then unlike an accdb or an mdb possibly
the code in an event just stops executing with no warning?  I've never
built or tested an mde!
On Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Rocky,
>
> Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the
> role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were
> only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to
> turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was
> definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know,
> but you are not alone with this issue.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
> however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
> housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
> code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.
>
> Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?
>
> I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
> customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
> support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
> them the system.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 15:58:39 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:58:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How do I find ~TMPxyz connections?
Message-ID: <4EE7CA8F.5040001@colbyconsulting.com>

I am iterating my connections in tabledefs and I have three connections with ~TMP as the leading 
part of the name.  They point to a SQL server Express database that physically does not exist any 
more.  I have discovered that these links to old stuff cause massive slowing opening real linked 
tables so I need to find and delete these links, but I am at a loss to discover how.

~TMPCLP184931: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP280711: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP288731: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP373521: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP457481: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?

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Colby Consulting

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when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 16:12:07 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:12:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How do I find ~TMPxyz connections?
In-Reply-To: <4EE7CA8F.5040001@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE7CA8F.5040001@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EE7CDB7.8000807@colbyconsulting.com>

Never mind.  that was from tables already deleted.  When I exited the db and came back in these were 
gone.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 4:58 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> I am iterating my connections in tabledefs and I have three connections with ~TMP as the leading
> part of the name. They point to a SQL server Express database that physically does not exist any
> more. I have discovered that these links to old stuff cause massive slowing opening real linked
> tables so I need to find and delete these links, but I am at a loss to discover how.
>
> ~TMPCLP184931: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP280711: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP288731: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP373521: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP457481: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
>



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 16:13:18 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:13:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4_R4NnrR9v3pmmGUVe1Jv+_fpY2Ug+dJSuB9kyXVYLzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Perhaps, but my experience would suggest it is more of a bug than anything else.  Or perhaps a deliberate attempt to move folks off MDE to accde instead.

The premise is simple.  If a form is set to docmd.maximise then that is what it should do upon open (or event).  It works as expected in A2003 as MDB or MDE.  But in A2007 the docmd.maximise is seemingly ignored.  The form usually opens as a float - I think it also did it for MDB format stuff as well - can't recall.

>From memory if you click on the form or moved it - it would immediately maximise and snap to full size.

As I said, it has been a while, but I do recall it coming up consistently in the testing we were doing.  Annoying.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2011 8:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

As far as unhandled error what I was wondering is that maybe if perhaps an mde keeps users out of the code, then unlike an accdb or an mdb possibly the code in an event just stops executing with no warning?  I've never built or tested an mde!
On Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Rocky,
>
> Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left 
> the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required 
> (they were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google 
> is likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form 
> resizing was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you 
> right now I know, but you are not alone with this issue.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010, 
> however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort 
> of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form 
> resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.
>
> Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?
>
> I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of 
> my customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have 
> to support two version and find out which version they're on before 
> sending them the system.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com < 
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 16:58:46 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:58:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUA8bhkxMJKLh5U1vfyzVsRG5HL9LS+tiLtsZV+7GCrXQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Jim Dettman:
>  The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>

Very intriguing, Jim. I ran your code on Access 2000, and got 801 controls,
confirming your result.

A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/208192

But I have personally seen forms with this 754 control limit, however the
database was imported from Access 97.

So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?

It is obvious that the control limit was raised in later versions of
Access, but the reasons for these particular limits remain mysterious.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 17:26:20 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:26:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Mark Simms:
> But let me ask...for complex forms with a lot of controls in specific
> positions and "tight registration"...
> Isn't the manual rebuild a monumental task in some cases ?
>
> Charlotte Foust:
> You might change your mind if you start writing code to copy the controls
> over!  ... I only built the code because ... I was building survey UIs on
> a
> daily basis.  It wouldn't have been worth it otherwise.
>

I agree with Charlotte. You have to be strongly motivated to tackle this
project.

In my case, the company's flagship A2K product had a crippling case of
bloat that none of the normal methods (including EatBloat) could cure.

It took 3 months full-time to develop the 'complete rebuild' fix, which did
finally work (to everyone's great relief)!

Mark: if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:

1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
and 'text234'.

2. In the Immediate window, count the number of controls:
    ? Forms("frmFoo").Controls.Count

2. Save the form as text:
    Application.SaveAsText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
edit it to the number of controls +1:
        ItemSuffix =128

4. Backup your Access database. Delete the problem form. Compact & Repair.

5. Import the form using:
    Application.LoadFromText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

I have observed this to work.

-Ken


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Dec 13 19:24:40 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:24:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4_R4NnrR9v3pmmGUVe1Jv+_fpY2Ug+dJSuB9kyXVYLzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4_R4NnrR9v3pmmGUVe1Jv+_fpY2Ug+dJSuB9kyXVYLzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A06FFD0386704B30B79811B6CA768F1F@HAL9007>

No - you get the same error message - just no Debug option.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 1:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

As far as unhandled error what I was wondering is that maybe if perhaps an
mde keeps users out of the code, then unlike an accdb or an mdb possibly the
code in an event just stops executing with no warning?  I've never built or
tested an mde!
On Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Rocky,
>
> Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left 
> the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required 
> (they were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google 
> is likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form 
> resizing was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you 
> right now I know, but you are not alone with this issue.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010, 
> however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort 
> of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form 
> resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.
>
> Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?
>
> I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of 
> my customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have 
> to support two version and find out which version they're on before 
> sending them the system.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com < 
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 19:30:42 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:30:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUA8bhkxMJKLh5U1vfyzVsRG5HL9LS+tiLtsZV+7GCrXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUA8bhkxMJKLh5U1vfyzVsRG5HL9LS+tiLtsZV+7GCrXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DC4054550E234B23AF33C9C09A16BC2B@XPS>

Ken,

<<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>

  Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
(yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
  
<<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?>>

  For A97 I got 752.

  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 05:59 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

>
> Jim Dettman:
>  The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>

Very intriguing, Jim. I ran your code on Access 2000, and got 801 controls,
confirming your result.

A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/208192

But I have personally seen forms with this 754 control limit, however the
database was imported from Access 97.

So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?

It is obvious that the control limit was raised in later versions of
Access, but the reasons for these particular limits remain mysterious.

-Ken
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 20:52:10 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:52:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>


Hi guys and girls.

One of my colleagues is using a UDF embedded into an Access Query.  The query runs find in access by when he is calling the query from Excel VBA (via qd.openrecordset).  The code fails with a 'undefined function' error.

I read on google the following which was a response to a similar issue:

"Access uses Jet, and the combination of Access and Jet understands VBA functions. DAO is a generic data access layer that doesn't understand VBA functions.
When you use DAO, you're not automating Access, merely using that bridge to get to the data.
Even though some versions of Access use DAO internally to communicate with Jet, the ability to understand VBA is programmed into Access, not DAO."

So, is that correct.  I would have thought the DOA would have only sent the command to open the query and Access would still do all of the processing?

Any thoughts on this.

I personally wouldn't do it this way. I would use the Function from Excel to get all of the parameters first and then pass them to the query as needed.  In this case the function is built into the query itself in Access.

Cheers
Darryl.



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Dec 13 21:26:37 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:26:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EE8176D.24437.13D851CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 14 Dec 2011 at 2:52, Darryl Collins wrote:

> 
> So, is that correct.  I would have thought the DOA would have only
> sent the command to open the query and Access would still do all of
> the processing? 
> 

Yes, it is correct.  Access does not do the processing, the DAO/JET engine does it.   
DAO/JET doesn't know anything at all about VBA., let alone what VBA functions happen to 
be in the same Access container are the table.






From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 21:30:17 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 03:30:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel
In-Reply-To: <4EE8176D.24437.13D851CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4EE8176D.24437.13D851CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5601256@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Stuart.  That clears that up. I will tell him to go to Plan B instead.

Cheers
darryl

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Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2011 2:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel

On 14 Dec 2011 at 2:52, Darryl Collins wrote:

> 
> So, is that correct.  I would have thought the DOA would have only 
> sent the command to open the query and Access would still do all of 
> the processing?
> 

Yes, it is correct.  Access does not do the processing, the DAO/JET engine does it.   
DAO/JET doesn't know anything at all about VBA., let alone what VBA functions happen to be in the same Access container are the table.




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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 21:44:17 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:44:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003c01ccba12$a84eb590$f8ec20b0$@net>

Thanks a ton Ken ! Simply excellent technical investigative work. Well done.

> 5. Import the form using:
>     Application.LoadFromText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\" &
> "Form_frmFoo.txt"
>
> I have observed this to work.
>
> -Ken




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 22:17:49 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:17:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>

If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a new
form and renaming the form suffice? 

>>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 22:35:10 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:35:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B56012C7@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

That is what I normally do - which is probably why it is nearly always much more work to code it than do it all manually.  The copy / paste way is usually fast, even with many hundreds of controls it doesn't take more than a few minutes I find.  The only other step is to ensure you copy the form code over as well to the new form.

I usually rename the old form "frmMyForm_OLD" first, create a new form and save it "frmMyForm", copy the controls, copy the code, save and test.  If the new form works as expected I then delete the old form entirely (of course I have an original one on an older backup version).

Cheers
Darryl.

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Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2011 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a new form and renaming the form suffice? 

>>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 14 02:11:59 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:11:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
Message-ID: <see86867.084@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

For Access 2.0 it runs to:

Field652       Text653

then exits with an "out of memory" error.
Code must be modified to:

<code>
Sub CheckControlCreation ()

  Dim frm As Form
  Dim ctlText As Control
  Dim ctlLabel As Control
  Dim intK As Integer

  ' Create form based on Customers form.
  Set frm = CreateForm()

  For intK = 1 To 2000

    ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
    Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)

    ' Create child label control for text box.
    Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100, 100)
    
    Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
  
  Next intK

End Sub
</code>

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30 >>>
Ken,

<<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>

  Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
(yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
  
<<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?>>

  For A97 I got 752.

  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.

Jim. 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 06:05:11 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:05:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
Message-ID: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>

I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has changed a message is 
generated.  The nice part is that Access places the change in the paste buffer.

How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form then the prompt the user to 
insert the paste buffer?

I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 07:24:32 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:24:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <see86867.084@cactus.dk>
References: <see86867.084@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <B7227A7C9F31425FB9AFF9DC01EAF1BA@XPS>


  BTW, one of the things I did try was creating text only controls rather
then a text/label combination.  Got the same results, but other control
types might yield different numbers. If they do, then the limit would seem
more related to object management rather then some inherent limitation with
form objects themselves (in terms of storage).

  I'll play with that today if I have time.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 03:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Hi Jim

For Access 2.0 it runs to:

Field652       Text653

then exits with an "out of memory" error.
Code must be modified to:

<code>
Sub CheckControlCreation ()

  Dim frm As Form
  Dim ctlText As Control
  Dim ctlLabel As Control
  Dim intK As Integer

  ' Create form based on Customers form.
  Set frm = CreateForm()

  For intK = 1 To 2000

    ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
    Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100 +
intK, 200, 200)

    ' Create child label control for text box.
    Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100,
100)
    
    Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
  
  Next intK

End Sub
</code>

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30 >>>
Ken,

<<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>

  Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
(yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
  
<<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?>>

  For A97 I got 752.

  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.

Jim. 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 09:16:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:16:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <B7227A7C9F31425FB9AFF9DC01EAF1BA@XPS>
References: <see86867.084@cactus.dk> <B7227A7C9F31425FB9AFF9DC01EAF1BA@XPS>
Message-ID: <4EE8BDC2.5010108@colbyconsulting.com>

I would bet you will find that each type of control can have that limit of controls IOW 750 labels 
(not connected to a text box) 750 text boxes, 750 radio buttons, 750 combos etc.  Each control has a 
different name prefix and thus there will be no collision between names for text boxes and combo 
boxes and radio buttons.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 8:24 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>    BTW, one of the things I did try was creating text only controls rather
> then a text/label combination.  Got the same results, but other control
> types might yield different numbers. If they do, then the limit would seem
> more related to object management rather then some inherent limitation with
> form objects themselves (in terms of storage).
>
>    I'll play with that today if I have time.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 03:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Hi Jim
>
> For Access 2.0 it runs to:
>
> Field652       Text653
>
> then exits with an "out of memory" error.
> Code must be modified to:
>
> <code>
> Sub CheckControlCreation ()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100 +
> intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
> </code>
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30>>>
> Ken,
>
> <<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
> even
> Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>
>
>    Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
> timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
> (yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
> specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
> around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
>
> <<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
> Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
> this on?>>
>
>    For A97 I got 752.
>
>    Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.
>
> Jim.
>
>



From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 09:49:28 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:49:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>

Apparently the important last control number is "inherited" from the old
form.....
that's why you must go to text...
And then edit the number.

> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to
> a new
> form and renaming the form suffice?
>
> >>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<




From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 10:49:20 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:49:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>
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You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
place.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Apparently the important last control number is "inherited" from the old
> form.....
> that's why you must go to text...
> And then edit the number.
>
> > If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to
> > a new
> > form and renaming the form suffice?
> >
> > >>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 11:10:59 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:10:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
In-Reply-To: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hsdptdLqSjvAdV28tbsYHSSiMneAy8D3=E_UYAiEkGCg@mail.gmail.com>

Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go through
sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds of
users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I have
no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
new models. It's a learning experience.

A.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
> change in the paste buffer.
>
> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>
> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 12:13:42 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:13:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hsdptdLqSjvAdV28tbsYHSSiMneAy8D3=E_UYAiEkGCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>
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I am not sure what difference a view would make though.  The data behind the scenes has still changed.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 12:10 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
> experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
> Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
> touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
> mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go through
> sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
> they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
> view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
> drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds of
> users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I have
> no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
> LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
> new models. It's a learning experience.
>
> A.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
>> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
>> change in the paste buffer.
>>
>> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
>> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>>
>> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
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>>
>
>
>



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 12:18:07 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:18:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
In-Reply-To: <4EE8E756.9000603@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>
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It's a security feature.  Regular users simply don't have the role
permission to change the data in the tables, they have to do it through a
view.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:13 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I am not sure what difference a view would make though.  The data behind
> the scenes has still changed.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/14/2011 12:10 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
>> experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
>> Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
>> touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
>> mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go
>> through
>> sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
>> they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
>> view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
>> drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds
>> of
>> users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I
>> have
>> no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
>> LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
>> new models. It's a learning experience.
>>
>> A.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
>>> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
>>> change in the paste buffer.
>>>
>>> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
>>> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>>>
>>> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>>>
>>> >
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>>>
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>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 12:30:59 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:30:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
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You mean RENAME, right ? Every control has a name property by default.
i.e. there are no unnamed controls.

> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the
> first place.
>
> Charlotte Foust





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 12:38:16 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:38:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
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Yes I understand that but I have set up users and such and their permissions.  The message I am 
getting is that another user has changed the data.  I have to do something to cause the form to 
discover that the data has been written and refresh the data in the current form so that changes to 
the data in the current form are now allowed.

AFAIK that has nothing to do with views per se.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 1:18 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> It's a security feature.  Regular users simply don't have the role
> permission to change the data in the tables, they have to do it through a
> view.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:13 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I am not sure what difference a view would make though.  The data behind
>> the scenes has still changed.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/14/2011 12:10 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
>>> experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
>>> Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
>>> touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
>>> mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go
>>> through
>>> sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
>>> they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
>>> view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
>>> drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds
>>> of
>>> users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I
>>> have
>>> no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
>>> LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
>>> new models. It's a learning experience.
>>>
>>> A.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
>>>> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
>>>> change in the paste buffer.
>>>>
>>>> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
>>>> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>>>>
>>>> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 13:15:02 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:15:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <4EE8BDC2.5010108@colbyconsulting.com>
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  No, that's not the case.  When I ran the tests, it didn't matter if I did
text and label controls or just text controls as I would get the same number
of total controls either way.

  I had been testing to see if the type of control affected the out come
(because of the difference in the number of PEM's) in the total number of
controls, but it didn't (at least not for text vs label vs all text, which
should have been different enough to show up).

  And it doesn't seem like the naming is related to the limit.  The tests
for A2000 and up all yielded control names >754 and A2007 and up went from
three to four positions for the numeric portion of the naming.  That means
you would be able to get 9,999 controls for each control type without a
conflict in names.  However the numeric suffix counter applies to all
controls, so you should be able to get to 9,999 without a problem, but the
limit is far short of that.

  I don't think it's related to the storage method either; all the numbers
are odd (not 256, 512, 1024, etc).  You just can't come up with any number
of bits that represent the numbers shown.  Only possibility is the one Ken
raised where internal objects are using some of the mapping (ie. 1024 - x
number of internal objects = objects available to you). 

  But it seems more related to internal memory management then it does to
anything else we've seen so far as the value seems to float from version to
version.  It's like the table ID limit which also floats a bit; one minute
you can be fine with a query or form and the next you get an "out of memory"
message.

  What I'd really like to see happen is those test numbers change a bit on
the same machine or between machines.  That would really imply that it's
related to memory management.  A hard coded limit or a limit based on the
storage method would always be consistent no matter when or where checked.

Jim.   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

I would bet you will find that each type of control can have that limit of
controls IOW 750 labels 
(not connected to a text box) 750 text boxes, 750 radio buttons, 750 combos
etc.  Each control has a 
different name prefix and thus there will be no collision between names for
text boxes and combo 
boxes and radio buttons.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 8:24 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>    BTW, one of the things I did try was creating text only controls rather
> then a text/label combination.  Got the same results, but other control
> types might yield different numbers. If they do, then the limit would seem
> more related to object management rather then some inherent limitation
with
> form objects themselves (in terms of storage).
>
>    I'll play with that today if I have time.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 03:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Hi Jim
>
> For Access 2.0 it runs to:
>
> Field652       Text653
>
> then exits with an "out of memory" error.
> Code must be modified to:
>
> <code>
> Sub CheckControlCreation ()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100
+
> intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
> </code>
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30>>>
> Ken,
>
> <<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
> even
> Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>
>
>    Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the
A95/A97
> timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
> (yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
> specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
> around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
>
> <<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only
for
> Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
> this on?>>
>
>    For A97 I got 752.
>
>    Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.
>
> Jim.
>
>

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 13:14:02 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:14:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
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I meant specifically name the controls instead of accepting the defaults,
which are less than useless anyhow.  And that includes the attached labels
and page breaks and all the other items you put on there.  I always named
them at creation to make it easier to untangle later, so I never ran into
issues with default names.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> You mean RENAME, right ? Every control has a name property by default.
> i.e. there are no unnamed controls.
>
> > You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the
> > first place.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
>
>
>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 14:23:35 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:23:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUoB0st0O1OF7cZGHgefEhOx2vwsS0hscwRmiBOgGtBcg@mail.gmail.com>

> Jim Dettman:
> <<Ken Ismert: So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are
> correct only for Access 97.>>
>
>  For A97 I got 752.
>
>  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.
>

I think the simplest explanation is A97 allowed 1024 controls. Subtract 255
'AccessField' controls (for the maximum fields in a query), and you get
769.

That leaves 753 'user' controls and 16 'reserved' controls, things like
RecordSelectors, DataSheet support, Record Navigation, the default Detail
section, etc.

But, on some service pack of Access 2000, the counter limit was raised to
16 bits, or even 32 bits.

Supporting 4 billion controls was just silly, so they just picked an
arbitrary limit of 800, and kept raising that over time.

 What I'd really like to see happen is those test numbers change a bit on
> the same machine or between machines.  That would really imply that it's
> related to memory management.  A hard coded limit or a limit based on the
> storage method would always be consistent no matter when or where checked.


Well, AccessD community, test away!

Is the limit truly fixed for each version, or does it change? The results
will be interesting.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 14:46:02 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:46:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a
> new
> form and renaming the form suffice?
>

Because you also have to manually duplicate all of the form properties,
which don't copy over automatically.

For example, if your form allows datasheets, all the column width settings
will be reset to their defaults.

Further, the copy-and-paste approach can mess up subtle things like display
order, so controls that show up on the original won't be visible on the
copy.

Thus, if all you need to do is reset the count, I recommend my method,
because the whole form gets copied, leaving no surprises.

Charlotte Foust:
> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
> place.
>

Giving controls meaningful names is best practice. But that doesn't reset
the counter.

Try modifying Jim's code to give each control a non-default name before the
next is created. The limit didn't change for me.

-Ken


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 15:28:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:28:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE914F2.4020404@colbyconsulting.com>

Good points Ken.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 3:46 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote:
>>
>> William Benson:
>> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a
>> new
>> form and renaming the form suffice?
>>
>
> Because you also have to manually duplicate all of the form properties,
> which don't copy over automatically.
>
> For example, if your form allows datasheets, all the column width settings
> will be reset to their defaults.
>
> Further, the copy-and-paste approach can mess up subtle things like display
> order, so controls that show up on the original won't be visible on the
> copy.
>
> Thus, if all you need to do is reset the count, I recommend my method,
> because the whole form gets copied, leaving no surprises.
>
> Charlotte Foust:
>> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
>> place.
>>
>
> Giving controls meaningful names is best practice. But that doesn't reset
> the counter.
>
> Try modifying Jim's code to give each control a non-default name before the
> next is created. The limit didn't change for me.
>
> -Ken



From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 15:55:22 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:55:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWq91xS1Oz2xJZJJCJzS1d7J=JSdrY1BZKJsgbEfubzKw@mail.gmail.com>

All,

I just tried another experiment:

1. In Access 2000 or later, call TestControlLifetimeLimit below (a
modification of Jim's code) to populate form controls to their limit

2. Delete some or all of the highest-numbered controls

3. Call TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)) to populate more controls.

What I found is that as long as you delete the highest-numbered controls,
the counter limit isn't enforced. I ran this until the counter got up to
17213!

Can others duplicate this?

So, my new theory is that, for some service pack of Office 2000, this got
sort-of fixed. (I recall running into this problem a decade ago in an early
release of 2000).

The maximum control limit is enforced, but the counter will keep going up,
as long as you delete some of the higher-order controls.

However, the 754-control limit will persist for forms & reports imported
from Access 97. This is why the 'rebuild from scratch' is required to
totally cure the problem in very old projects. There is simply no other way
to keep the form from inheriting the old A97 behavior.

Code:

Public Sub TestControlLifetimeLimit(Optional ByVal rObj As Object = Nothing)

    Dim rFrm As Access.Form
    Dim rText As Control
    Dim rLabel As Control
    Dim i As Integer

    On Error GoTo HandleErr

    If rObj Is Nothing Then
        Set rFrm = CreateForm()
        rFrm.HasModule = True
    ElseIf TypeOf rObj Is Access.Form Then
        Set rFrm = rObj
    ElseIf TypeOf rObj Is Access.Controls Then
        Set rFrm = rObj.Parent
    Else
        Exit Sub
    End If

    i = rFrm.Controls.Count
    Do
        Set rText = CreateControl(rFrm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , (i
Mod 100) * 100, (i \ 100) * 400, 200, 200)
        Set rLabel = CreateControl(rFrm.Name, acLabel, , rText.Name, "", (i
Mod 100) * 100 + 50, (i \ 100) * 400, 200, 200)
        i = i + 1
    Loop While i < 2000

ExitHere:
    Debug.Print "Control  Count: " & rFrm.Controls.Count
    Exit Sub

HandleErr:
    Debug.Print "Error: " & Err.Number & vbCrLf & Err.Description & vbCrLf
& Err.Source
    GoTo ExitHere
End Sub

-Ken


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec 14 16:36:08 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:36:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560147A@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Aaaah, those are good points.  In the past virtually all my forms are unbound and I rarely used datasheet view - although in my current role I do a lot more.  Mind you in this role performance trumps elegance so it doesn't matter if the form looks a bit scrappy as I, or the immediate team, are the only users.  And we know how to fix it if something goes *splat*.  Thanks for shedding some light onto this.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2011 7:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

>
> William Benson:
> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to 
> a new form and renaming the form suffice?
>

Because you also have to manually duplicate all of the form properties,
which don't copy over automatically.

For example, if your form allows datasheets, all the column width settings
will be reset to their defaults.

Further, the copy-and-paste approach can mess up subtle things like display
order, so controls that show up on the original won't be visible on the
copy.

Thus, if all you need to do is reset the count, I recommend my method,
because the whole form gets copied, leaving no surprises.

Charlotte Foust:
> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
> place.
>

Giving controls meaningful names is best practice. But that doesn't reset
the counter.

Try modifying Jim's code to give each control a non-default name before the
next is created. The limit didn't change for me.

-Ken
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From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 17:10:38 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:10:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 20:12:16 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:12:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601ccbace$f819ee20$e84dca60$@gmail.com>

And how do you recommend deleting *precisely* the first 400 controls?;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:11 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit
the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 06:47:16 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:47:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
Message-ID: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>

I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I don't know xyz, but I 
often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a circle somehow.

I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from Facebook...

You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to do something bad to my 
computer.

I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running scripts in firefox 
which just saved my bacon.

It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful and I still got suckered. 
  Only my safeguards saved me.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 07:09:27 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:09:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, I don't accept friends I don't know on FB.  There are scams out there
that are VERY sophisticated!

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I
> don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a
> circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
> do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
> and I still got suckered.  Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>
>


From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec 15 07:12:35 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:12:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001401ccbb2b$366c0b20$a3442160$@comcast.net>

Facebook?  What's Facebook?  I have work to do!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Yep, I don't accept friends I don't know on FB.  There are scams out there
that are VERY sophisticated!

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
> out in a circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
> page to do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
> careful and I still got suckered.  Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://database
> advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>
>
--
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 07:59:23 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:59:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <22B9B17F85FA41CF9E3DA333A1EADC84@SusanHarkins>

I turned my facebook messaging off -- if anything comes to my inbox like 
that, I totally ignore it. No question, I know it's not legit.

Susan H.


>I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I 
>don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a 
>circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to 
> do something bad to my computer.



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 08:10:53 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:10:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001ccbb33$5ba3cf10$12eb6d30$@gmail.com>

Was it mentioned that the control count hits 1040 before erroring out in
Access 2010:

Microsoft Access can't create any more controls on this form or report.
Database13
Control  Count: 1040


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:11 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit
the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken
-- 
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 08:14:39 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:14:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
References: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003101ccbb33$e2c18000$a8448000$@gmail.com>

Uh, yes it was, thanks Jim D. on Dec 13.

-----Original Message-----
From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Was it mentioned that the control count hits 1040 before erroring out in
Access 2010:

Microsoft Access can't create any more controls on this form or report.
Database13
Control  Count: 1040


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:11 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit
the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 08:18:06 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:18:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>

Whew!  Glad your safeguards protected you. I had a virus creep in a
year or so back. I know I messed up and did something I knew I
shouldn't have. Took me about 10 hours of messing around to get it
back the way it was. It became a quest to defeat the b at st@rds that did
it to me though.

GK

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook. ?I
> don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a
> circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link... ?It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
> do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running
> scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though. ?I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
> and I still got suckered. ?Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Dec 15 09:39:36 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:39:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <21D3D45A0B814AEAACDE39A52483D58D@XPS>


 Really scary I know...some of the stuff is getting pretty darn good.

 Almost got bit last year.  E-mail came in telling me I had a problem with
something, which by coincidence I had just done the previous day and it
looked legit.  Clicked without thinking and Trend saved my butt.  After the
blocked page message came up, it was only then that I realized I should not
be getting an e-mail like that. That was too close for comfort<g>

 And here I am the one telling everybody "Don't click on anything in an
e-mail" and absolutely know better then not to.

  Part of the problem is though, there are still people sending e-mails
(valid ones) with links in them (NY's Easy pass comes to mind).

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 07:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I
don't know xyz, but I 
often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a circle somehow.

I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
Facebook...

You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
do something bad to my 
computer.

I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running
scripts in firefox 
which just saved my bacon.

It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
and I still got suckered. 
  Only my safeguards saved me.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 10:02:21 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:02:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <22B9B17F85FA41CF9E3DA333A1EADC84@SusanHarkins>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<22B9B17F85FA41CF9E3DA333A1EADC84@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <4EEA1A0D.2020109@colbyconsulting.com>

 >> I turned my facebook messaging off

LOL, I discovered that Facebook had "opted me in" to a TON of crap that they were sending.  Of 
course I went in and disabled it but it is truly annoying that they would do that, and it raises the 
question - am I opted in to whatever they may decide I really should be receiving in the future? 
Where do these companies get off deciding that they can send me crap I didn't ask for?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/15/2011 8:59 AM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> I turned my facebook messaging off -- if anything comes to my inbox like that, I totally ignore it.
> No question, I know it's not legit.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook. I don't know xyz, but I
>> often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link... It *looked* just like those things from Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to do something bad to my
>> computer.
>



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Dec 15 10:05:08 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:05:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the past.

Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main" PC that I use for work purposes.

Use an iPad for "web surfing"
Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one
Use Microsoft Security Essentials (free) 

Brad
   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thu 12/15/2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
 
Whew!  Glad your safeguards protected you. I had a virus creep in a
year or so back. I know I messed up and did something I knew I
shouldn't have. Took me about 10 hours of messing around to get it
back the way it was. It became a quest to defeat the b at st@rds that did
it to me though.

GK

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook. ?I
> don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a
> circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link... ?It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
> do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running
> scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though. ?I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
> and I still got suckered. ?Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From kathryn at bassett.net  Thu Dec 15 13:35:47 2011
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:35:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>

I'm fortunate! I've never ended up with a virus and I've been online since
the beginning. Now my husband, on the other hand... I'm glad he's got his
own computer.
--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the
> past.
> 
> Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main"
> PC that I use for work purposes.
> 
> Use an iPad for "web surfing"
> Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one Use
> Microsoft Security Essentials (free)
> 
> Brad




From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Dec 15 14:32:54 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:32:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
Message-ID: <ACD2F5E2-6C6C-471A-9112-4F20EFDE6270@phulse.com>

I think the last time I had a virus, it was a boot sector virus from an infected floppy via the sneakernet.

Saying that, viruses are so advanced these days that, just because you think you are clean, you could still very well be infected by something on a root kit level. The truth is, as soon as you spot an infection, you cannot trust your pc anymore even if your antivirus claims to have cleaned your machine. The only thing to do is format your machine completely and reinstall.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2011-12-15, at 11:35 AM, "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net> wrote:

> I'm fortunate! I've never ended up with a virus and I've been online since
> the beginning. Now my husband, on the other hand... I'm glad he's got his
> own computer.
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net   
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:05 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>> 
>> I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the
>> past.
>> 
>> Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main"
>> PC that I use for work purposes.
>> 
>> Use an iPad for "web surfing"
>> Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one Use
>> Microsoft Security Essentials (free)
>> 
>> Brad
> 
> 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:05:30 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:05:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>

I had one for the first time earlier this year.  I still haven't figured
out where it came from,  but it was the joke virus, so it didn't do any
actual damage just slowed my machine down.  I switched to Vipre Internet
Security after that, since it was the only thing I found that actually
removed it.

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net>wrote:

> I'm fortunate! I've never ended up with a virus and I've been online since
> the beginning. Now my husband, on the other hand... I'm glad he's got his
> own computer.
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:05 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> >
> > I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the
> > past.
> >
> > Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main"
> > PC that I use for work purposes.
> >
> > Use an iPad for "web surfing"
> > Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one Use
> > Microsoft Security Essentials (free)
> >
> > Brad
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:33:22 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:33:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>

Further to Hans's message (this learned the hard way)... Next time you buy
or rebuild a machine, install all essential software (just the really core
stuff, your choices may vary), and nothing else. As soon as you've done
that, create a rescue disc (CD might be enough, more likely single-layer
DVD, possibly dual-layer DVD), so that everything essential can be
recovered in one swoop. In my case, this includes such utils as NoteTab,
winRAR and others, Office 2010 and SQL Server, which I deem essential;
that's a pretty big footprint, granted, but that's the essential house. It
all fits on a single DVD, and that makes it drop-dead simple to fix it all
in the ugly event of a disk-crash, etc.

I've been to Hell and back too many times to list. Finally I have a
procedure that works. It doesn't do everything, but it puts me back on
solid-footing with a couple of clicks. I can't afford TB-sized backups so I
make do with my humble means, but it works.

A.


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Dec 15 15:37:20 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:37:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole thing in just over an hour.

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Further to Hans's message (this learned the hard way)... Next time you buy or rebuild a machine, install all essential software (just the really core stuff, your choices may vary), and nothing else. As soon as you've done that, create a rescue disc (CD might be enough, more likely single-layer DVD, possibly dual-layer DVD), so that everything essential can be recovered in one swoop. In my case, this includes such utils as NoteTab, winRAR and others, Office 2010 and SQL Server, which I deem essential; that's a pretty big footprint, granted, but that's the essential house. It all fits on a single DVD, and that makes it drop-dead simple to fix it all in the ugly event of a disk-crash, etc.

I've been to Hell and back too many times to list. Finally I have a procedure that works. It doesn't do everything, but it puts me back on solid-footing with a couple of clicks. I can't afford TB-sized backups so I make do with my humble means, but it works.

A.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 15:37:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:37:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries, References and some subtleties to be considered
Message-ID: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>

I use libraries - MDAs - to hold common code, variables and constants.  Libraries are essentially 
places to put common code so that many different applications can do things the same way.  If a bug 
is found it can be fixed in the library, in just one place.

It is possible for a lib to reference another lib.  For example my C2DbFW3G understands and uses my 
Presentation Level Security System and so it references C2DbPLSS.  However C2DbPLSS is a standalone 
library, i.e. it can be used without my FW3G.  Should I have just merged the two into one big lib? 
That is a conversation for another day.

While on this subject, two more things.  There can be no circular references between libs, i.e. FW3G 
cannot reference PLSS *and* PLSS also reference FW3G.  Any lib can reference another lib but the 
reference can never "circle back around".  Additionally the order of reference comes into play if 
there are two functions, classes, variables etc with the same name.  We all understand the scope 
thing (local function, module, global) but the same issue exists in libraries in that if a name is 
not found in the local container the compiler starts looking at other referenced objects, starting 
from the top reference in the references dialog and working down.

This can cause oddities if we have a function (for example) with the same name found in the 
application and the library.  Code in the application will use the function inside of the 
application container, whereas code in the library will use the function in the library container. 
If you use libraries and you write a function and move it to the library, do not forget to delete 
the function from the application or you will have problems.

I have two main libraries, C2DbFW3G which is the 3rd generation of my framework, and C2DbPLSS which 
is my Presentation Level Security System.

Having an application reference a library causes some issues shall we say which do not exist if you 
do not use them, and I just thought I would walk through my findings and how I handle things in 
order to start a conversation on the subject.

Some tidbits in no particular order.

When the developer references a library they do so via a browse button and so the reference ends up 
specific to a location available from the developer's machine.  This implies that the location may 
or may not be available to another user opening the application.

When the application opens, it tries to find the file at the location specified in the existing 
reference.  If found it uses that copy of the library, no questions asked.

If the library cannot be found at that referenced location then the application silently begins to 
search a set of paths to find the library.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824255

If the library is found the search immediately ceases and the reference is "fixed up" to point to 
that location.  When the application closes it saves that new reference location.  So the 
application has been silently "re-referenced" to the new location.  When I say silently, I mean that 
there is no immediate in-your-face indication that any of this happened.

This silent re-reference can cause odd problems.  Let's take some real life scenarios that I 
encounter at my client.

I have a directory on my C: drive at the client called C:\Dev\DisNew\  This path, in particular the 
Dev\ part, is unique to my machine (standing for development).  I build a framework and an 
application in this location.  I reference the lib from the application, browsing to that location 
and voila, the reference points to a library in a location that does not physically exist anywhere 
else in the company.

I copy the two files up to X:\DisNew\Test which is the production (X:\DisNew) test directory.  the 
user has a batch file which builds a directory on their local C: drive, copies the library and 
application to that local directory and opens the application.  The application tries to find the 
lib at my dev directory and fails, so it tries to find it in the local directory and succeeds.  Life 
is good.

Now... I go into the X:\Disnew\Tester directory and open the application file.  Guess what happens? 
  The application opens and tests the reference and... finds it because it can see my dev path.  The 
file works.  Life is good, nothing changes.

A user goes into the X:\DisNew\Tester directory and opens the application file and ... the 
application cannot find my dev directory so it starts "the search".  It finds the library in the 
X:\DisNew\Test directory and re-references and the application works.  Now when the user closes the 
file... the file is referenced to the lib on the network.  Life is no longer good!

Now we decide that the application file tests good and copy it to production where it is copied, 
along with the lib down to the user's hard disk.  The user opens the copy on their hard disk and... 
the application is referenced to the lib on the network (test directory) and so it opens the lib on 
the network.  Now I am trying to copy a new version of the lib to tester and the file is locked.  Or 
something.  Life is not good.

Let's discuss decompile for a minute.  Decompile flushes the pcode buffers in the Access container, 
which, simply put, means that all of the "compiled" code is flushed out.  Yes I understand that 
Access is an interpreter but it actually compiles the English (VBA) language stuff we write into 
P-Code and interprets the P-Code.  The compile of the Decompile / Compile matched pair simply 
recompiles every single line of VBA code into P-Code and stuffs it back into the buffers.

When you perform a decompile / compile, you *REALLY* need to decompile / compile the library first, 
then the application using the application.  I don't understand all of the stuff but apparently 
there is a table of pointers built by the compile, things like the entry point to functions and the 
locations of constant and variables.  Apparently when you compile the application, it goes out and 
searches the library for these tables in order to correctly call functions and variables in the library.

But why do we do a decompile / compile in the first place?  Because it is possible and in fact not 
uncommon, for the P-Code to get corrupted over time.  If the lib is corrupted and you recompile the 
app, then the app calls into corrupted lib stuff.  So, decompile / compile the lib *before* you 
decompile the application that references the lib.  And if you decompile / compile the lib, then you 
must must *must* recompile the app because the lib entry points and variables might change.

Guess what?  If you happen to get confused and decompile / compile anything on a network share... it 
may (or may not) cause weird things like the app refusing to close.  So never never *never* 
decompile / compile anything that is not local to your hard disk.

Unfortunately the simple fact that FW3G references the PLSS does not expose the PLSS on through to 
the application.  So C2DbFW3G references C2DbPLSS and the application references C2DbPLSS *and* 
C2DbFW3G because it directly uses code in both.  Oh my goodness.  Now I have to decompile / compile 
the PLSS first, then the FW3G (because it references PLSS), and then the application (which directly 
references both libs).  All of this must be done on my local machine so as to avoid the "can't 
close" issue discussed above, and then copied to the final destination for public consumption.

Furthermore I need to make sure that I reference the PLSS in the FW3G to the DEV path on my local 
machine, and likewise reference PLSS and FW3G inside of the application to the dev path of my local 
machine.  Why?  Because that path is not public to the company and will trigger the re-reference 
when the user downloads all this stuff to their local machine.

But wait, there's more.  I have three different applications that use the PLSS and the framework. 
So if I decompile / compile the PLSS / FW3G, all of the applications that use these libs need to be 
recompiled.  Again, if I make changes to the libs, any app that I do not decompile will not 
reacquire the pointer tables in the libs and may start to fail.

And around and around we go.

I use batch files to copy these pieces to the user's system so that the user ends up with local 
copies and doesn't end up permanently re-referencing things back to the production location.  This 
works reasonably well as long as everyone plays by the rules.  If anyone (other than myself) 
actually opens any of these files up in tester or production, then the references silently change 
and things go south in a hurry.  It took me awhile to figure out that this was happening (a long 
time ago) and it took me awhile to remember that this occurs when I started having strange things 
happening recently.  That is the reason for starting this thread, to remind the list how this stuff 
works and to get input from other list members on their experiences with this stuff.

I am a believer in libraries to hold common code.  They exist for the simple reason that changes to 
that code, bug fixes etc can be done in one place and propagated to every place the change is 
needed.  It is important to understand what goes on behind the scenes however or you can have some 
strange things happening that will be very difficult to figure out.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:49:44 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:49:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>

NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension
DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive
> to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole
> thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 15:48:44 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:48:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <4EEA6B3C.8070309@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, an image immediately after doing all of the install / patch stuff, then another periodically.

I have to tell you though, things like DropMyRights and noScript goes a long ways towards thwarting 
the bad guys.  Sand boxes really do work well.  running all Web facing apps in a sandbox prevents 
the nasties from doing bad stuff.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/15/2011 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> Further to Hans's message (this learned the hard way)... Next time you buy or rebuild a machine, install all essential software (just the really core stuff, your choices may vary), and nothing else. As soon as you've done that, create a rescue disc (CD might be enough, more likely single-layer DVD, possibly dual-layer DVD), so that everything essential can be recovered in one swoop. In my case, this includes such utils as NoteTab, winRAR and others, Office 2010 and SQL Server, which I deem essential; that's a pretty big footprint, granted, but that's the essential house. It all fits on a single DVD, and that makes it drop-dead simple to fix it all in the ugly event of a disk-crash, etc.
>
> I've been to Hell and back too many times to list. Finally I have a procedure that works. It doesn't do everything, but it puts me back on solid-footing with a couple of clicks. I can't afford TB-sized backups so I make do with my humble means, but it works.
>
> A.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:55:36 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:55:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EEA6B3C.8070309@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4EEA6B3C.8070309@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g-3WpVgc043P=2BuDpGRMSffELy7b6kRGFUJV-O1mNaw@mail.gmail.com>

Hearty agreement on that! I run a few VMs (not all at once, given my meager
4GB of RAM), and have come to the conclusion that it's always the safest
path to create a new VM prior to installing anything new; run it there and
see what explodes; end result is the VM explodes and the rest of my baby is
intact.

A.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:48 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> Yep, an image immediately after doing all of the install / patch stuff,
> then another periodically.
>
> I have to tell you though, things like DropMyRights and noScript goes a
> long ways towards thwarting the bad guys.  Sand boxes really do work well.
>  running all Web facing apps in a sandbox prevents the nasties from doing
> bad stuff.
>
>


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Dec 15 16:11:30 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:11:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

DriveImageXML is free for personal use, Arthur. Only $69 for commercial use too. http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm 

????*??.?*.???.*???*??.?*.???.*?Merry*?* ?*?.
??_??_*.?*./ ? \ .?* .??.?.*.?* Christmas*? ?*
?. (?? ??)*.?*/?.?\*?.* ?_?_____.?Everyone ? ?* ?*
.?( . ? . ) ??./? '? ' ?\.?*./______/~?*. ?*.??* ?.*?
*(...'?'.. ) *????????.??? ????????*? .? ...
 
Lambert



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot 
> drive to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore 
> the whole thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 16:21:01 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:21:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUeaNJS_LwN8HdKY=VA9ZUep0frCapSoRJ6X_UWG0L-oA@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> And how do you recommend deleting *precisely* the first 400 controls?;-)
>

I tweaked Jim's code so the controls display in four rows of 200 each.

So it is easy to highlight the first two rows of controls, and delete them.


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 15 16:21:26 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:21:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560181C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all - even so I get scammer emails saying "X has commented on your photo" or "Y wants to be your friend" click on the link blah blah - not having a FB profile saves me a lot of time and bother.

Mind you, only yesterday I did have someone pop up on yahoo msgnr on a profile of someone I hadn't spoken to in years wanting me to click on a link so I could apply for a free Apple computer or product - apparently Apple are giving away product in honour of Steve Jobs.  Yeah... right....   "Delete!".

I was lucky as that one was clearly a scam.

That said, I think John has a great point - you really can't be too careful and even the experienced and knowledgeable can get caught out.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, 16 December 2011 12:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Yep, I don't accept friends I don't know on FB.  There are scams out there that are VERY sophisticated!

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
> out in a circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
> page to do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
> careful and I still got suckered.  Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 16:22:00 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:22:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j3JtX4BAAuofCqr0-R3MQEBXt2d7gzcynoUhQgKwsTWw@mail.gmail.com>

Wow that is some bitchin' Ascii composition. Bravo!

Arthur

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> DriveImageXML is free for personal use, Arthur. Only $69 for commercial
> use too. http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
>
> ????*??.?*.???.*???*??.?*.???.*?Merry*?* ?*?.
> ??_??_*.?*./ ? \ .?* .??.?.*.?* Christmas*? ?*
> ?. (?? ??)*.?*/?.?\*?.* ?_?_____.?Everyone ? ?* ?*
> .?( . ? . ) ??./? '? ' ?\.?*./______/~?*. ?*.??* ?.*?
> *(...'?'.. ) *????????.??? ????????*? .? ...
>
> Lambert
>
>
>

From hkotsch at arcor.de  Thu Dec 15 16:27:49 2011
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:27:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
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For private use DriveImage XML is free.

http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm


Two Versions of DriveImage XML are available:
Private Edition: Private home users are allowed to use the Private Edition
of DriveImage XML without charge. You are allowed to install DriveImage XML
on your home PC. You must not use DriveImage XML commercially. No support is
provided for the Private Edition.

Helmut



-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur
Fuller
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2011 22:50
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya


NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension
DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive
> to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole
> thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>
--
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Thu Dec 15 16:35:45 2011
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:35:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBEECAIMAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

For private use DriveImage XML is free.

http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm


Two Versions of DriveImage XML are available:
Private Edition: Private home users are allowed to use the Private Edition
of DriveImage XML without charge. You are allowed to install DriveImage XML
on your home PC. You must not use DriveImage XML commercially. No support is
provided for the Private Edition.

Helmut


-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur
Fuller
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2011 22:50
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya


NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension
DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive
> to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole
> thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec 15 16:40:25 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:40:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>

Yes - Library referencing can be a pain.

At my customers each client has a shortcut which points to an AutoUpdater
file.  The AutoUpdater file will check to see if the Main and Library files
on the client are older than the files on the server.  If so, it will copy
those files up to the client in the same folder.

But here's the problem - the main file on the client will still reference
the library file on the server.  The way I get around that is to leave the
library file on the server with an XX in the name - that way the main file
on the client can't find it so it re-references to the library file on the
client (they're in the same folder).

When the autoupdater file does its thing, it compares modified dates between
Library.mdb on the client and LibraryXX.mdb on the server.  If the server
has the newer file, then autoupdater will copy and rename the LibraryXX.mdb
file on the server to Library.mdb on the client.

Another problem is that the Library.mdb file is renamed on the server (your
dev/test system), so you can't open it until you manually retype the name,
and then you have to remember to retype it back when you're done.  To solve
that I made a ChangeXX.mdb file.  It has an AutoExec macro which runs the
following code:

'------------------------
Public Function StartupChangeXX()
On Error GoTo EH

    Dim stg As String
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim blnAddXX As Boolean
    Dim stgXXFile As String
    Dim stgExtension As String
    Dim stgPrompt As String
    Dim blnNeedManualPrompt As Boolean
    Dim blnFoundAllClear As Boolean
    Dim blnFoundAllXX As Boolean
    Dim blnFirstLoopComplete As Boolean
    Dim stgSystemMode As String
    
    stgSystemMode = Command()
'    stgSystemMode = "Review"  '-- TEST
    
    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

    '-- Do the files exist?
    stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
        & " WHERE SystemMode = '" & stgSystemMode & "'"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
    Do While rst.EOF = False
    
        stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
        stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
& " XX ." & stgExtension
            
        If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = False And
fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = False Then
            MsgBox "The file " & rst("FileFullPath") & " does not exist!",
vbExclamation + vbOKOnly, "Missing File"
            rst.Close
            Set rst = Nothing
            Application.Quit
        End If
        
        rst.MoveNext
        
    Loop
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    
    
    '-- Are all files clear or all XX?
    stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
        & " WHERE SystemMode = '" & stgSystemMode & "'"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
    Do While rst.EOF = False
        
        If blnFirstLoopComplete = False Then
            If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
                blnFoundAllClear = True
                blnAddXX = True
            Else
                blnFoundAllClear = False
                blnAddXX = False
            End If
            blnFirstLoopComplete = True
        Else
            If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
                If blnFoundAllClear = False Then
                    blnNeedManualPrompt = True
                    Exit Do
                End If
            Else
                If blnFoundAllClear = True Then
                    blnNeedManualPrompt = True
                    Exit Do
                End If
            End If
        End If
            
        rst.MoveNext
        
    Loop
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    
    
    '-- Select to add XX or Remove XX
    If blnNeedManualPrompt = True Then
        stgPrompt = "Push Yes to add XX." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Push No to remove XX."
        If MsgBox(stgPrompt, vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton2,
"Change XX") = vbYes Then
            blnAddXX = True
        Else
            blnAddXX = False
        End If
    End If


    '-- Add or remove XX
    stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
        & " WHERE SystemMode = '" & stgSystemMode & "'"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
    Do While rst.EOF = False
    
        stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
        stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
& " XX ." & stgExtension
            
        If blnAddXX = True Then
        
            If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
                fso.CopyFile rst("FileFullPath"), stgXXFile, True
                fso.DeleteFile rst("FileFullPath")
            End If
            
        Else
        
            If fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = True Then
                fso.CopyFile stgXXFile, rst("FileFullPath"), True
                fso.DeleteFile stgXXFile
            End If
        
        End If
    
        rst.MoveNext
        
    Loop
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    
    
    If blnAddXX = True Then
        CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Added XX.", 1, "XX Change"
    Else
        CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Removed XX.", 1, "XX Change"
    End If
    
    Application.Quit

    Exit Function
    
EH:
    MsgBox "Error!" _
        & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
        & "Code: " & Err.Number & vbNewLine _
        & "Desc: " & Err.Description & vbNewLine _
        & "Line: " & Erl

End Function
'-----------------------

There is also a tblParameters which contains information about which actual
system I'm working on - I have three at each customer.  Prod, Test, and
Review.  The shortcut on the desktop which opens ChangeXX.mdb has a command
argument (like '/cmd Test') so the code will know which system it's supposed
to be working on.

Also, there is a popup message that stays open for 1 second to tell me
whether it added the XX or removed the XX, then ChangeXX.mdb quits.  

Just click the ChangeXX shortcut on the server's desktop until it says
'Added XX' or 'Removed XX', and you're done!

Hope this helps!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] libraries, References and some subtleties to be
considered

I use libraries - MDAs - to hold common code, variables and constants.
Libraries are essentially places to put common code so that many different
applications can do things the same way.  If a bug is found it can be fixed
in the library, in just one place.

It is possible for a lib to reference another lib.  For example my C2DbFW3G
understands and uses my Presentation Level Security System and so it
references C2DbPLSS.  However C2DbPLSS is a standalone library, i.e. it can
be used without my FW3G.  Should I have just merged the two into one big
lib? 
That is a conversation for another day.

While on this subject, two more things.  There can be no circular references
between libs, i.e. FW3G cannot reference PLSS *and* PLSS also reference
FW3G.  Any lib can reference another lib but the reference can never "circle
back around".  Additionally the order of reference comes into play if there
are two functions, classes, variables etc with the same name.  We all
understand the scope thing (local function, module, global) but the same
issue exists in libraries in that if a name is not found in the local
container the compiler starts looking at other referenced objects, starting
from the top reference in the references dialog and working down.

This can cause oddities if we have a function (for example) with the same
name found in the application and the library.  Code in the application will
use the function inside of the application container, whereas code in the
library will use the function in the library container. 
If you use libraries and you write a function and move it to the library, do
not forget to delete the function from the application or you will have
problems.

I have two main libraries, C2DbFW3G which is the 3rd generation of my
framework, and C2DbPLSS which is my Presentation Level Security System.

Having an application reference a library causes some issues shall we say
which do not exist if you do not use them, and I just thought I would walk
through my findings and how I handle things in order to start a conversation
on the subject.

Some tidbits in no particular order.

When the developer references a library they do so via a browse button and
so the reference ends up specific to a location available from the
developer's machine.  This implies that the location may or may not be
available to another user opening the application.

When the application opens, it tries to find the file at the location
specified in the existing reference.  If found it uses that copy of the
library, no questions asked.

If the library cannot be found at that referenced location then the
application silently begins to search a set of paths to find the library.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824255

If the library is found the search immediately ceases and the reference is
"fixed up" to point to that location.  When the application closes it saves
that new reference location.  So the application has been silently
"re-referenced" to the new location.  When I say silently, I mean that there
is no immediate in-your-face indication that any of this happened.

This silent re-reference can cause odd problems.  Let's take some real life
scenarios that I encounter at my client.

I have a directory on my C: drive at the client called C:\Dev\DisNew\  This
path, in particular the Dev\ part, is unique to my machine (standing for
development).  I build a framework and an application in this location.  I
reference the lib from the application, browsing to that location and voila,
the reference points to a library in a location that does not physically
exist anywhere else in the company.

I copy the two files up to X:\DisNew\Test which is the production
(X:\DisNew) test directory.  the user has a batch file which builds a
directory on their local C: drive, copies the library and application to
that local directory and opens the application.  The application tries to
find the lib at my dev directory and fails, so it tries to find it in the
local directory and succeeds.  Life is good.

Now... I go into the X:\Disnew\Tester directory and open the application
file.  Guess what happens? 
  The application opens and tests the reference and... finds it because it
can see my dev path.  The file works.  Life is good, nothing changes.

A user goes into the X:\DisNew\Tester directory and opens the application
file and ... the application cannot find my dev directory so it starts "the
search".  It finds the library in the X:\DisNew\Test directory and
re-references and the application works.  Now when the user closes the
file... the file is referenced to the lib on the network.  Life is no longer
good!

Now we decide that the application file tests good and copy it to production
where it is copied, along with the lib down to the user's hard disk.  The
user opens the copy on their hard disk and... 
the application is referenced to the lib on the network (test directory) and
so it opens the lib on the network.  Now I am trying to copy a new version
of the lib to tester and the file is locked.  Or something.  Life is not
good.

Let's discuss decompile for a minute.  Decompile flushes the pcode buffers
in the Access container, which, simply put, means that all of the "compiled"
code is flushed out.  Yes I understand that Access is an interpreter but it
actually compiles the English (VBA) language stuff we write into P-Code and
interprets the P-Code.  The compile of the Decompile / Compile matched pair
simply recompiles every single line of VBA code into P-Code and stuffs it
back into the buffers.

When you perform a decompile / compile, you *REALLY* need to decompile /
compile the library first, then the application using the application.  I
don't understand all of the stuff but apparently there is a table of
pointers built by the compile, things like the entry point to functions and
the locations of constant and variables.  Apparently when you compile the
application, it goes out and searches the library for these tables in order
to correctly call functions and variables in the library.

But why do we do a decompile / compile in the first place?  Because it is
possible and in fact not uncommon, for the P-Code to get corrupted over
time.  If the lib is corrupted and you recompile the app, then the app calls
into corrupted lib stuff.  So, decompile / compile the lib *before* you
decompile the application that references the lib.  And if you decompile /
compile the lib, then you must must *must* recompile the app because the lib
entry points and variables might change.

Guess what?  If you happen to get confused and decompile / compile anything
on a network share... it may (or may not) cause weird things like the app
refusing to close.  So never never *never* decompile / compile anything that
is not local to your hard disk.

Unfortunately the simple fact that FW3G references the PLSS does not expose
the PLSS on through to the application.  So C2DbFW3G references C2DbPLSS and
the application references C2DbPLSS *and* C2DbFW3G because it directly uses
code in both.  Oh my goodness.  Now I have to decompile / compile the PLSS
first, then the FW3G (because it references PLSS), and then the application
(which directly references both libs).  All of this must be done on my local
machine so as to avoid the "can't close" issue discussed above, and then
copied to the final destination for public consumption.

Furthermore I need to make sure that I reference the PLSS in the FW3G to the
DEV path on my local machine, and likewise reference PLSS and FW3G inside of
the application to the dev path of my local machine.  Why?  Because that
path is not public to the company and will trigger the re-reference when the
user downloads all this stuff to their local machine.

But wait, there's more.  I have three different applications that use the
PLSS and the framework. 
So if I decompile / compile the PLSS / FW3G, all of the applications that
use these libs need to be recompiled.  Again, if I make changes to the libs,
any app that I do not decompile will not reacquire the pointer tables in the
libs and may start to fail.


And around and around we go.

I use batch files to copy these pieces to the user's system so that the user
ends up with local copies and doesn't end up permanently re-referencing
things back to the production location.  This works reasonably well as long
as everyone plays by the rules.  If anyone (other than myself) actually
opens any of these files up in tester or production, then the references
silently change and things go south in a hurry.  It took me awhile to figure
out that this was happening (a long time ago) and it took me awhile to
remember that this occurs when I started having strange things happening
recently.  That is the reason for starting this thread, to remind the list
how this stuff works and to get input from other list members on their
experiences with this stuff.

I am a believer in libraries to hold common code.  They exist for the simple
reason that changes to that code, bug fixes etc can be done in one place and
propagated to every place the change is needed.  It is important to
understand what goes on behind the scenes however or you can have some
strange things happening that will be very difficult to figure out.

--
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 17:08:13 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:08:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Here is my proposal for how to best fix Form Control Limit problems:

Control Limits
===========
Access imposes limits on how may controls you can put on a form or report:
A97 - 753
A2000 - 800
A2002 - 894
A2007 - 1040
A2010 - 1040
Thanks to Jim Dettman for working out these limits.

If you try to add more controls than your version of Access allows, you
will see:
Error: 29053
<database> can't create any more controls on this form or report.

At this point, check the number of controls on the form:
? forms("Form1").Controls.Count

If that number is less than the stated limit, you can still add more
controls, but you have to reset the control counter. Here's how:

Access 2000 or Later
=================
If you CREATED the form in Access 2000 or later, follow these steps:
Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path & "\Form_Form1"
Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
"\Form_Form1"

This should reset your control list, allowing you to keep adding up to the
stated limit. Notes:
  * This is a lot easier than copying the controls to a new form, and
manually changing all form properties to match the old
  * EatBloat will also reset the counter for such forms, as it uses this
basic technique

Access 97
========
If the form was created in Access 97, and you imported it into a later
version, there is more work to do. Follow these steps:

1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
and 'text234'. This eliminates all possibility of name collisions.

2. In the Immediate window, count the number of controls:
? Forms("Form1").Controls.Count

2. Save the form as text:
Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
"\Form_Form1.txt"

3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
edit it to the number of controls +1:
ItemSuffix =128

4. Import the form using:
Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
"\Form_Form1.txt"

-Ken


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 18:09:39 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:09:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7k-PWi3EdjV2-Sf=2QVjFk+bZ9M=Srjed-9jqFWeJv+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Control name property is read only in runtime right? So for ac97 this a
manual find and rename operation?
On Dec 15, 2011 6:09 PM, "Kenneth Ismert" <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is my proposal for how to best fix Form Control Limit problems:
>
> Control Limits
> ===========
> Access imposes limits on how may controls you can put on a form or report:
> A97 - 753
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
> Thanks to Jim Dettman for working out these limits.
>
> If you try to add more controls than your version of Access allows, you
> will see:
> Error: 29053
> <database> can't create any more controls on this form or report.
>
> At this point, check the number of controls on the form:
> ? forms("Form1").Controls.Count
>
> If that number is less than the stated limit, you can still add more
> controls, but you have to reset the control counter. Here's how:
>
> Access 2000 or Later
> =================
> If you CREATED the form in Access 2000 or later, follow these steps:
> Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path & "\Form_Form1"
> Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\Form_Form1"
>
> This should reset your control list, allowing you to keep adding up to the
> stated limit. Notes:
>  * This is a lot easier than copying the controls to a new form, and
> manually changing all form properties to match the old
>  * EatBloat will also reset the counter for such forms, as it uses this
> basic technique
>
> Access 97
> ========
> If the form was created in Access 97, and you imported it into a later
> version, there is more work to do. Follow these steps:
>
> 1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
> and 'text234'. This eliminates all possibility of name collisions.
>
> 2. In the Immediate window, count the number of controls:
> ? Forms("Form1").Controls.Count
>
> 2. Save the form as text:
> Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\Form_Form1.txt"
>
> 3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
> edit it to the number of controls +1:
> ItemSuffix =128
>
> 4. Import the form using:
> Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\Form_Form1.txt"
>
> -Ken
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 20:50:39 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:50:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
	<006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks for those suggestions.  My methods are crude and I have always wanted to get a little more 
sophisticated.  I will have to spend a little time thinking about the suggestions you discuss.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/15/2011 5:40 PM, Dan Waters wrote:
> Yes - Library referencing can be a pain.
>
> At my customers each client has a shortcut which points to an AutoUpdater
> file.  The AutoUpdater file will check to see if the Main and Library files
> on the client are older than the files on the server.  If so, it will copy
> those files up to the client in the same folder.
>
> But here's the problem - the main file on the client will still reference
> the library file on the server.  The way I get around that is to leave the
> library file on the server with an XX in the name - that way the main file
> on the client can't find it so it re-references to the library file on the
> client (they're in the same folder).
>
> When the autoupdater file does its thing, it compares modified dates between
> Library.mdb on the client and LibraryXX.mdb on the server.  If the server
> has the newer file, then autoupdater will copy and rename the LibraryXX.mdb
> file on the server to Library.mdb on the client.
>
> Another problem is that the Library.mdb file is renamed on the server (your
> dev/test system), so you can't open it until you manually retype the name,
> and then you have to remember to retype it back when you're done.  To solve
> that I made a ChangeXX.mdb file.  It has an AutoExec macro which runs the
> following code:
>
> '------------------------
> Public Function StartupChangeXX()
> On Error GoTo EH
>
>      Dim stg As String
>      Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
>      Dim fso As FileSystemObject
>      Dim blnAddXX As Boolean
>      Dim stgXXFile As String
>      Dim stgExtension As String
>      Dim stgPrompt As String
>      Dim blnNeedManualPrompt As Boolean
>      Dim blnFoundAllClear As Boolean
>      Dim blnFoundAllXX As Boolean
>      Dim blnFirstLoopComplete As Boolean
>      Dim stgSystemMode As String
>
>      stgSystemMode = Command()
> '    stgSystemMode = "Review"  '-- TEST
>
>      Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
>      '-- Do the files exist?
>      stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
>          &  " WHERE SystemMode = '"&  stgSystemMode&  "'"
>      Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
>      Do While rst.EOF = False
>
>          stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
>          stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
> &  " XX ."&  stgExtension
>
>          If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = False And
> fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = False Then
>              MsgBox "The file "&  rst("FileFullPath")&  " does not exist!",
> vbExclamation + vbOKOnly, "Missing File"
>              rst.Close
>              Set rst = Nothing
>              Application.Quit
>          End If
>
>          rst.MoveNext
>
>      Loop
>      rst.Close
>      Set rst = Nothing
>
>
>      '-- Are all files clear or all XX?
>      stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
>          &  " WHERE SystemMode = '"&  stgSystemMode&  "'"
>      Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
>      Do While rst.EOF = False
>
>          If blnFirstLoopComplete = False Then
>              If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
>                  blnFoundAllClear = True
>                  blnAddXX = True
>              Else
>                  blnFoundAllClear = False
>                  blnAddXX = False
>              End If
>              blnFirstLoopComplete = True
>          Else
>              If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
>                  If blnFoundAllClear = False Then
>                      blnNeedManualPrompt = True
>                      Exit Do
>                  End If
>              Else
>                  If blnFoundAllClear = True Then
>                      blnNeedManualPrompt = True
>                      Exit Do
>                  End If
>              End If
>          End If
>
>          rst.MoveNext
>
>      Loop
>      rst.Close
>      Set rst = Nothing
>
>
>      '-- Select to add XX or Remove XX
>      If blnNeedManualPrompt = True Then
>          stgPrompt = "Push Yes to add XX." _
>              &  vbNewLine&  vbNewLine _
>              &  "Push No to remove XX."
>          If MsgBox(stgPrompt, vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton2,
> "Change XX") = vbYes Then
>              blnAddXX = True
>          Else
>              blnAddXX = False
>          End If
>      End If
>
>
>      '-- Add or remove XX
>      stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
>          &  " WHERE SystemMode = '"&  stgSystemMode&  "'"
>      Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
>      Do While rst.EOF = False
>
>          stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
>          stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
> &  " XX ."&  stgExtension
>
>          If blnAddXX = True Then
>
>              If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
>                  fso.CopyFile rst("FileFullPath"), stgXXFile, True
>                  fso.DeleteFile rst("FileFullPath")
>              End If
>
>          Else
>
>              If fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = True Then
>                  fso.CopyFile stgXXFile, rst("FileFullPath"), True
>                  fso.DeleteFile stgXXFile
>              End If
>
>          End If
>
>          rst.MoveNext
>
>      Loop
>      rst.Close
>      Set rst = Nothing
>
>
>      If blnAddXX = True Then
>          CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Added XX.", 1, "XX Change"
>      Else
>          CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Removed XX.", 1, "XX Change"
>      End If
>
>      Application.Quit
>
>      Exit Function
>
> EH:
>      MsgBox "Error!" _
>          &  vbNewLine&  vbNewLine _
>          &  "Code: "&  Err.Number&  vbNewLine _
>          &  "Desc: "&  Err.Description&  vbNewLine _
>          &  "Line: "&  Erl
>
> End Function
> '-----------------------
>
> There is also a tblParameters which contains information about which actual
> system I'm working on - I have three at each customer.  Prod, Test, and
> Review.  The shortcut on the desktop which opens ChangeXX.mdb has a command
> argument (like '/cmd Test') so the code will know which system it's supposed
> to be working on.
>
> Also, there is a popup message that stays open for 1 second to tell me
> whether it added the XX or removed the XX, then ChangeXX.mdb quits.
>
> Just click the ChangeXX shortcut on the server's desktop until it says
> 'Added XX' or 'Removed XX', and you're done!
>
> Hope this helps!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] libraries, References and some subtleties to be
> considered
>
> I use libraries - MDAs - to hold common code, variables and constants.
> Libraries are essentially places to put common code so that many different
> applications can do things the same way.  If a bug is found it can be fixed
> in the library, in just one place.
>
> It is possible for a lib to reference another lib.  For example my C2DbFW3G
> understands and uses my Presentation Level Security System and so it
> references C2DbPLSS.  However C2DbPLSS is a standalone library, i.e. it can
> be used without my FW3G.  Should I have just merged the two into one big
> lib?
> That is a conversation for another day.
>
> While on this subject, two more things.  There can be no circular references
> between libs, i.e. FW3G cannot reference PLSS *and* PLSS also reference
> FW3G.  Any lib can reference another lib but the reference can never "circle
> back around".  Additionally the order of reference comes into play if there
> are two functions, classes, variables etc with the same name.  We all
> understand the scope thing (local function, module, global) but the same
> issue exists in libraries in that if a name is not found in the local
> container the compiler starts looking at other referenced objects, starting
> from the top reference in the references dialog and working down.
>
> This can cause oddities if we have a function (for example) with the same
> name found in the application and the library.  Code in the application will
> use the function inside of the application container, whereas code in the
> library will use the function in the library container.
> If you use libraries and you write a function and move it to the library, do
> not forget to delete the function from the application or you will have
> problems.
>
> I have two main libraries, C2DbFW3G which is the 3rd generation of my
> framework, and C2DbPLSS which is my Presentation Level Security System.
>
> Having an application reference a library causes some issues shall we say
> which do not exist if you do not use them, and I just thought I would walk
> through my findings and how I handle things in order to start a conversation
> on the subject.
>
> Some tidbits in no particular order.
>
> When the developer references a library they do so via a browse button and
> so the reference ends up specific to a location available from the
> developer's machine.  This implies that the location may or may not be
> available to another user opening the application.
>
> When the application opens, it tries to find the file at the location
> specified in the existing reference.  If found it uses that copy of the
> library, no questions asked.
>
> If the library cannot be found at that referenced location then the
> application silently begins to search a set of paths to find the library.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824255
>
> If the library is found the search immediately ceases and the reference is
> "fixed up" to point to that location.  When the application closes it saves
> that new reference location.  So the application has been silently
> "re-referenced" to the new location.  When I say silently, I mean that there
> is no immediate in-your-face indication that any of this happened.
>
> This silent re-reference can cause odd problems.  Let's take some real life
> scenarios that I encounter at my client.
>
> I have a directory on my C: drive at the client called C:\Dev\DisNew\  This
> path, in particular the Dev\ part, is unique to my machine (standing for
> development).  I build a framework and an application in this location.  I
> reference the lib from the application, browsing to that location and voila,
> the reference points to a library in a location that does not physically
> exist anywhere else in the company.
>
> I copy the two files up to X:\DisNew\Test which is the production
> (X:\DisNew) test directory.  the user has a batch file which builds a
> directory on their local C: drive, copies the library and application to
> that local directory and opens the application.  The application tries to
> find the lib at my dev directory and fails, so it tries to find it in the
> local directory and succeeds.  Life is good.
>
> Now... I go into the X:\Disnew\Tester directory and open the application
> file.  Guess what happens?
>    The application opens and tests the reference and... finds it because it
> can see my dev path.  The file works.  Life is good, nothing changes.
>
> A user goes into the X:\DisNew\Tester directory and opens the application
> file and ... the application cannot find my dev directory so it starts "the
> search".  It finds the library in the X:\DisNew\Test directory and
> re-references and the application works.  Now when the user closes the
> file... the file is referenced to the lib on the network.  Life is no longer
> good!
>
> Now we decide that the application file tests good and copy it to production
> where it is copied, along with the lib down to the user's hard disk.  The
> user opens the copy on their hard disk and...
> the application is referenced to the lib on the network (test directory) and
> so it opens the lib on the network.  Now I am trying to copy a new version
> of the lib to tester and the file is locked.  Or something.  Life is not
> good.
>
> Let's discuss decompile for a minute.  Decompile flushes the pcode buffers
> in the Access container, which, simply put, means that all of the "compiled"
> code is flushed out.  Yes I understand that Access is an interpreter but it
> actually compiles the English (VBA) language stuff we write into P-Code and
> interprets the P-Code.  The compile of the Decompile / Compile matched pair
> simply recompiles every single line of VBA code into P-Code and stuffs it
> back into the buffers.
>
> When you perform a decompile / compile, you *REALLY* need to decompile /
> compile the library first, then the application using the application.  I
> don't understand all of the stuff but apparently there is a table of
> pointers built by the compile, things like the entry point to functions and
> the locations of constant and variables.  Apparently when you compile the
> application, it goes out and searches the library for these tables in order
> to correctly call functions and variables in the library.
>
> But why do we do a decompile / compile in the first place?  Because it is
> possible and in fact not uncommon, for the P-Code to get corrupted over
> time.  If the lib is corrupted and you recompile the app, then the app calls
> into corrupted lib stuff.  So, decompile / compile the lib *before* you
> decompile the application that references the lib.  And if you decompile /
> compile the lib, then you must must *must* recompile the app because the lib
> entry points and variables might change.
>
> Guess what?  If you happen to get confused and decompile / compile anything
> on a network share... it may (or may not) cause weird things like the app
> refusing to close.  So never never *never* decompile / compile anything that
> is not local to your hard disk.
>
> Unfortunately the simple fact that FW3G references the PLSS does not expose
> the PLSS on through to the application.  So C2DbFW3G references C2DbPLSS and
> the application references C2DbPLSS *and* C2DbFW3G because it directly uses
> code in both.  Oh my goodness.  Now I have to decompile / compile the PLSS
> first, then the FW3G (because it references PLSS), and then the application
> (which directly references both libs).  All of this must be done on my local
> machine so as to avoid the "can't close" issue discussed above, and then
> copied to the final destination for public consumption.
>
> Furthermore I need to make sure that I reference the PLSS in the FW3G to the
> DEV path on my local machine, and likewise reference PLSS and FW3G inside of
> the application to the dev path of my local machine.  Why?  Because that
> path is not public to the company and will trigger the re-reference when the
> user downloads all this stuff to their local machine.
>
> But wait, there's more.  I have three different applications that use the
> PLSS and the framework.
> So if I decompile / compile the PLSS / FW3G, all of the applications that
> use these libs need to be recompiled.  Again, if I make changes to the libs,
> any app that I do not decompile will not reacquire the pointer tables in the
> libs and may start to fail.
>
>
> And around and around we go.
>
> I use batch files to copy these pieces to the user's system so that the user
> ends up with local copies and doesn't end up permanently re-referencing
> things back to the production location.  This works reasonably well as long
> as everyone plays by the rules.  If anyone (other than myself) actually
> opens any of these files up in tester or production, then the references
> silently change and things go south in a hurry.  It took me awhile to figure
> out that this was happening (a long time ago) and it took me awhile to
> remember that this occurs when I started having strange things happening
> recently.  That is the reason for starting this thread, to remind the list
> how this stuff works and to get input from other list members on their
> experiences with this stuff.
>
> I am a believer in libraries to hold common code.  They exist for the simple
> reason that changes to that code, bug fixes etc can be done in one place and
> propagated to every place the change is needed.  It is important to
> understand what goes on behind the scenes however or you can have some
> strange things happening that will be very difficult to figure out.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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>



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 16 06:30:35 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:30:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be	considered
Message-ID: <seeb4818.042@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I think you just won the prize of the year for the longest code-less post!

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 15-12-2011 22:37 >>>
I use libraries - <snip>




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 16 06:51:55 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:51:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
Message-ID: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>

Hi Darryl

Even if you don't, some sites you visit may link back to FB (Check for "like this" or similar).

If so and if you use WinXP and IE8, you may experience that whenever you open such site, Windows resource usage at once raises from the few percent in idle mode to about 30% because of services.exe doing something unknown - probably some phone-home-to-FB thingy. It may be so aggressive that it eats every second or third keystroke you do while IE8 has focus.

A method to kill this misbehaviour is to go to Options .. Security and add to the "dirty" (non-secure) list of sites:

  *.facebook.com

Bingo! Usage drops to a few percent.

/gustav

PS: I think we are 10 people.


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 15-12-2011 23:21 >>>
I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all - 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 16 06:50:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:50:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Browser Sandbox - Run any browser instantly from the web
Message-ID: <4EEB3E98.1040206@colbyconsulting.com>

I stumbled across this today.  I have Googled Spoon.net and it appears to be up and up, and netcraft 
gives them a "zero risk" rating.

http://codingstrategist.posterous.com/what-is-spoonnet
http://spoon.net/browsers

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec 16 07:53:51 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:53:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
	<006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
	<4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>

John - great post on your use of the libraries....very few developers do
this.
My question: what is the equivalent of an MDA in AC2007, AC2010 ? An ACCDA ?
Any advantage one way or the other ?
>
> Thanks for those suggestions.  My methods are crude and I have always
> wanted to get a little more
> sophisticated.  I will have to spend a little time thinking about the
> suggestions you discuss.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting




From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Dec 16 08:05:02 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:05:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j3JtX4BAAuofCqr0-R3MQEBXt2d7gzcynoUhQgKwsTWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1j3JtX4BAAuofCqr0-R3MQEBXt2d7gzcynoUhQgKwsTWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D79@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

I cannot claim any credit. I found it on one of the many ASCII Art sites out there, and of course I cannot locate the exact source now, but here's a good one...

http://www.ascii-art.de/

Lambert :-) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 5:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Wow that is some bitchin' Ascii composition. Bravo!

Arthur

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> DriveImageXML is free for personal use, Arthur. Only $69 for 
> commercial use too. http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
>
> ????*??.?*.???.*???*??.?*.???.*?Merry*?* ?*?.
> ??_??_*.?*./ ? \ .?* .??.?.*.?* Christmas*? ?*
> ?. (?? ??)*.?*/?.?\*?.* ?_?_____.?Everyone ? ?* ?* .?( . ? . ) ??./? 
> '? ' ?\.?*./______/~?*. ?*.??* ?.*?
> *(...'?'.. ) *????????.??? ????????*? .? ...
>
> Lambert
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 16 09:07:01 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:07:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be	considered
In-Reply-To: <seeb4818.042@cactus.dk>
References: <seeb4818.042@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4EEB5E95.1070606@colbyconsulting.com>

ROTFL.  It's a convoluted subject.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/16/2011 7:30 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> I think you just won the prize of the year for the longest code-less post!
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 15-12-2011 22:37>>>
> I use libraries -<snip>
>
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 16 09:15:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:15:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
	<006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
	<4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>
	<005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>
Message-ID: <4EEB6097.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>

The extension .MDA is just a convention and really doesn't enforce anything.  The library can have 
an MDB, MDE or even XYZ and still be referenced and used.  I know because I just renamed one of my 
libraries to have an extension .XYZ and referenced it.

While I haven't done so I know that developers sometimes change the .MDB to .MyExt in order to 
obfuscate the fact that it an mdb file and try and keep people from opening it directly in Access. 
Access can in fact still open the file but you can no longer just double click it.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/16/2011 8:53 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> John - great post on your use of the libraries....very few developers do
> this.
> My question: what is the equivalent of an MDA in AC2007, AC2010 ? An ACCDA ?
> Any advantage one way or the other ?
>>
>> Thanks for those suggestions.  My methods are crude and I have always
>> wanted to get a little more
>> sophisticated.  I will have to spend a little time thinking about the
>> suggestions you discuss.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>
>



From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 10:14:07 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:14:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yVtD3T3+bXYkpscGdJHCZFwTpQLk0AhoUogVixkb1zujw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> Control name property is read only in runtime right? So for ac97 this a
> manual find and rename operation?
>

You're correct, name is a design-time property.

You can fairly easily write code to rename controls with the form in design
view. For the purposes of Lifetime Control Limits, the names don't even
have to be meaningful, just different from the defaults.

But this code would have to:
 * Rename control references and event handlers in the form's module
 * Find and fix all control references in form and control property
expressions, as well as in underlying queries.
 * Find and fix control references in queries, forms, reports, macros and
modules outside of the form in question.

So, if you have to maintain a monster form that was created in A97, and are
running into control limit issues, the task of fixing it could be huge.

If that is the case, maybe its time to start from scratch with a simpler
solution that spreads functionality among a number of smaller forms.

-Ken


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 12:19:22 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:19:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
In-Reply-To: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
References: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>

Facebook defaults to that kind of behavior but it can be turned off in FB.
I do NOT post my location, and that's part of what it's doing.

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Darryl
>
> Even if you don't, some sites you visit may link back to FB (Check for
> "like this" or similar).
>
> If so and if you use WinXP and IE8, you may experience that whenever you
> open such site, Windows resource usage at once raises from the few percent
> in idle mode to about 30% because of services.exe doing something unknown -
> probably some phone-home-to-FB thingy. It may be so aggressive that it eats
> every second or third keystroke you do while IE8 has focus.
>
> A method to kill this misbehaviour is to go to Options .. Security and add
> to the "dirty" (non-secure) list of sites:
>
>  *.facebook.com
>
>
>
> Bingo! Usage drops to a few percent.
>
> /gustav
>
> PS: I think we are 10 people.
>
>
> >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 15-12-2011 23:21 >>>
> I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all -
>
>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>


From john at winhaven.net  Fri Dec 16 12:34:21 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:34:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <022d01ccbc21$54100360$fc300a20$@winhaven.net>

Facebook makes its money from advertising. That's why it's free. They will
collect as much information from you as they can and they will use it. If
you want to prevent that as much as possible you need to go in and
thoroughly go through the settings and change them.



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 12:39:57 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:39:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
In-Reply-To: <022d01ccbc21$54100360$fc300a20$@winhaven.net>
References: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<022d01ccbc21$54100360$fc300a20$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9aDXrXwOnueCtGs+ix3akUXeayuX7D3SuDPvjGv6NCoA@mail.gmail.com>

Amen, John!

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:34 AM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Facebook makes its money from advertising. That's why it's free. They will
> collect as much information from you as they can and they will use it. If
> you want to prevent that as much as possible you need to go in and
> thoroughly go through the settings and change them.
>
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>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>


From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Dec 16 15:33:54 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:33:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip address
update client on my desktop that's on all the time.

www.opendns.com


Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out
in a circle somehow.

I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
Facebook...

You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page
to do something bad to my computer.

I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.

It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
careful and I still got suckered. 
  Only my safeguards saved me.

--
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Colby Consulting

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec 16 16:35:31 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:35:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <4EEB6097.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>,
	<4EEB6097.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EEBC7B3.9577.A21BA4E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I rename whenever I use an mdb as data storage for a PB application.

-- 
Stuart


On 16 Dec 2011 at 10:15, jwcolby wrote:

> While I haven't done so I know that developers sometimes change the .MDB to .MyExt in order to 
> obfuscate the fact that it an mdb file and try and keep people from opening it directly in Access. 
> Access can in fact still open the file but you can no longer just double click it.
> 




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 22:06:42 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:06:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yVtD3T3+bXYkpscGdJHCZFwTpQLk0AhoUogVixkb1zujw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yVtD3T3+bXYkpscGdJHCZFwTpQLk0AhoUogVixkb1zujw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4DvDibxsO8i2euUY1QrR2Wb07HKS7dKL8uGJS7VTR_5g@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone aware of some Addin or developer tool which takes care of all
those referencing issues when renaming controls? It would sure be a plus to
have something like that.

Maybe no way to fool proof it.

I agree about starting from scratch.
On Dec 16, 2011 11:16 AM, "Kenneth Ismert" <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > William Benson:
> > Control name property is read only in runtime right? So for ac97 this a
> > manual find and rename operation?
> >
>
> You're correct, name is a design-time property.
>
> You can fairly easily write code to rename controls with the form in design
> view. For the purposes of Lifetime Control Limits, the names don't even
> have to be meaningful, just different from the defaults.
>
> But this code would have to:
>  * Rename control references and event handlers in the form's module
>  * Find and fix all control references in form and control property
> expressions, as well as in underlying queries.
>  * Find and fix control references in queries, forms, reports, macros and
> modules outside of the form in question.
>
> So, if you have to maintain a monster form that was created in A97, and are
> running into control limit issues, the task of fixing it could be huge.
>
> If that is the case, maybe its time to start from scratch with a simpler
> solution that spreads functionality among a number of smaller forms.
>
> -Ken
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 22:09:45 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:09:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V74efEPGdcidaxiJyVAtpW6wFgDpYJpgP7HRyY1d9Mqwg@mail.gmail.com>

Would I be mistaken in guessing that EatBloat is a recommended preventive
maintenance?


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 17 04:08:40 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:08:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>

One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are any dns queries coming from malware on your network.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond" <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote:

> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip address
> update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
> 
> www.opendns.com
> 
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out
> in a circle somehow.
> 
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
> 
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page
> to do something bad to my computer.
> 
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
> 
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
> careful and I still got suckered. 
>  Only my safeguards saved me.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 17 05:34:24 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:34:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
Message-ID: <seec8c65.067@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte and John

You missed that I wrote "whenever you open such site". That's all. No login is needed (or done).

This is a WinXP/IE8 combo issue. I don't see it with Vista/IE9.

/gustav


>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 16-12-2011 19:19 >>>
Facebook defaults to that kind of behavior but it can be turned off in FB.
I do NOT post my location, and that's part of what it's doing.

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Darryl
>
> Even if you don't, some sites you visit may link back to FB (Check for
> "like this" or similar).
>
> If so and if you use WinXP and IE8, you may experience that whenever you
> open such site, Windows resource usage at once raises from the few percent
> in idle mode to about 30% because of services.exe doing something unknown -
> probably some phone-home-to-FB thingy. It may be so aggressive that it eats
> every second or third keystroke you do while IE8 has focus.
>
> A method to kill this misbehaviour is to go to Options .. Security and add
> to the "dirty" (non-secure) list of sites:
>
>  *.facebook.com
>
>
>
> Bingo! Usage drops to a few percent.
>
> /gustav
>
> PS: I think we are 10 people.
>
>
> >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 15-12-2011 23:21 >>>
> I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all -





From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Dec 17 08:12:50 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:12:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>

I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?

I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what it
was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.

I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are
any dns queries coming from malware on your network.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond" <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote:

> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's 
> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install 
> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip 
> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
> 
> www.opendns.com
> 
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
> out in a circle somehow.
> 
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
> 
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
> page to do something bad to my computer.
> 
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
> 
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
> careful and I still got suckered.
>  Only my safeguards saved me.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
> corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or 
> review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient.
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> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 17 09:06:21 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:06:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>

OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server takes names such as 
Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those 
"natural language" IP addresses and filters them against known attributes and makes a decision 
whether to perform the translation into a numeric IP address.

So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to OpenDNS, where I have set up my 
filters based on what I want to allow through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to 
filter out specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.

http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/

My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to surf to that site.  My 
son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent this issue and within minutes has discovered 
what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different Domain name server.  15 minutes 
later he is reading penthouse.

Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....

You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server such as OpenDNS, which is a 
much more secure implementation method.  The problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a 
specific DNS then it goes around the router.

But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and determined teenagers, a 
service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it is and what it does.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
> with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
> this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what it
> was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.
>
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are
> any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
>
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond"<rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>  wrote:
>
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
>> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
>> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip
>> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>>
>> www.opendns.com
>>
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them
>> out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
>> Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>>
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>>
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>>   Only my safeguards saved me.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> **********************************************************************
>> WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received,
>> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
>> corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or
>> review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient.
>> **********************************************************************
>>
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>



From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Dec 17 09:13:42 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:13:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>

I have no doubt that the son of John Colby is very sophisticated, computer
literate, and determined!

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server
takes names such as Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address
www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those "natural language" IP addresses
and filters them against known attributes and makes a decision whether to
perform the translation into a numeric IP address.

So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to
OpenDNS, where I have set up my filters based on what I want to allow
through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to filter out
specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.

http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/

My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to
surf to that site.  My son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent
this issue and within minutes has discovered what is going on and has
locally set his system to use a different Domain name server.  15 minutes
later he is reading penthouse.

Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....

You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server
such as OpenDNS, which is a much more secure implementation method.  The
problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a specific DNS then it
goes around the router.

But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and
determined teenagers, a service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it
is and what it does.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different 
> customers with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue 
> with any of this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of 
> what it was actually doing, or even a general description of how it
worked.
>
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if 
> there are any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
>
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond"<rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>
wrote:
>
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  
>> It's free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to 
>> install filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns 
>> ip address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>>
>> www.opendns.com
>>
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
>> out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
>> Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>>
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>>
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>>   Only my safeguards saved me.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> *********************************************************************
>> *
>> WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, 
>> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
>> corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or 
>> review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient.
>> *********************************************************************
>> *
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 17 10:15:36 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:15:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EECC028.70600@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, he is getting that way.  ATM he is 10 years old, and that was just allegorical.

I am sure that you can have a lively discussion with Rocky about determined teenage boys though.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 10:13 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I have no doubt that the son of John Colby is very sophisticated, computer
> literate, and determined!
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server
> takes names such as Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address
> www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those "natural language" IP addresses
> and filters them against known attributes and makes a decision whether to
> perform the translation into a numeric IP address.
>
> So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to
> OpenDNS, where I have set up my filters based on what I want to allow
> through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to filter out
> specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.
>
> http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/
>
> My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to
> surf to that site.  My son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent
> this issue and within minutes has discovered what is going on and has
> locally set his system to use a different Domain name server.  15 minutes
> later he is reading penthouse.
>
> Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....
>
> You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server
> such as OpenDNS, which is a much more secure implementation method.  The
> problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a specific DNS then it
> goes around the router.
>
> But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and
> determined teenagers, a service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it
> is and what it does.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
>> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different
>> customers with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue
>> with any of this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>>
>> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of
>> what it was actually doing, or even a general description of how it
> worked.
>>
>> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>>
>> Dan



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 17 15:31:12 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:31:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>

OpenDNS basically just does the same thing your ISP does, in terms of telling your computer what public IP address (in other words, which public server(s)) are responsible for a given domain name. Your ISP normally provides this service and when you configure your router, it generally gives you those settings automatically, but there is no reason you can't use another provider (if you are a web developer/sys ops person such as myself, it is very useful to query different DNS servers around the world to see if there are problems with your configuration and how it is propagating around). It's just a matter of changing the IP address for DNS in your router or even just specific individual computers/networked devices.

What makes OpenDNS stand out is that they add additional features beyond just DNS resolution that you don't get from your ISP at all. Domain filtering, statistics, malware monitoring and phishing/malware filtering (on a DNS level) and so forth. The only thing they ask for in exchange is that you allow them to display their search page with their advertising instead of an error page when you type in a bad domain in your browser address bar.

Its a cheap way of providing basic filtering and protection for home, school or business, so, as long as you don't mind a third party company knowing what domains you visit, it's well worth it. They also spend a lot of effort speeding up DNS  lookups, so it will be a slight boost to your Internet usage. Also, for those who are security minded and know the technical merits of it, OpenDNS uses DNSCurve (an alternative to DNSSEC), to avoid DNS cache poisoning and so forth, something many ISPs have yet to adopt.

Like John said, however, it's trivial for anyone who knows basic networking, so it's not foolproof. But there you go. You get what you pay for (or not).

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 17 Dec 2011, at 06:12, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
> with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
> this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
> 
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what it
> was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.
> 
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are
> any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
> 
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> 
> 
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond" <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote:
> 
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's 
>> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install 
>> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip 
>> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>> 
>> www.opendns.com
>> 
>> 
>> Rusty
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>> 
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
>> out in a circle somehow.
>> 
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
>> Facebook...
>> 
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>> 
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>> 
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>> Only my safeguards saved me.
>> 
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> 
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Dec 17 15:53:15 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:53:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EECC028.70600@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net><4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com><002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>
	<4EECC028.70600@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <9CF110EE28CA43C38D0F30CE013A296B@HAL9007>

I used to have some illusions about control but they got the crap kicked out
of them.  21 is beyond my control.  15 is not interested in porn - more
interested in torrenting SkyRim and SolidWorks.  And making the robots dance
and sing.  So far so good. :)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

LOL, he is getting that way.  ATM he is 10 years old, and that was just
allegorical.

I am sure that you can have a lively discussion with Rocky about determined
teenage boys though.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 10:13 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I have no doubt that the son of John Colby is very sophisticated, 
> computer literate, and determined!
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name 
> Server takes names such as Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric 
> IP address www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those "natural 
> language" IP addresses and filters them against known attributes and 
> makes a decision whether to perform the translation into a numeric IP
address.
>
> So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to 
> OpenDNS, where I have set up my filters based on what I want to allow 
> through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to filter 
> out specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.
>
> http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/
>
> My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not 
> allowed to surf to that site.  My son then embarks on a concerted 
> attempt to circumvent this issue and within minutes has discovered 
> what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different 
> Domain name server.  15 minutes later he is reading penthouse.
>
> Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....
>
> You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name 
> server such as OpenDNS, which is a much more secure implementation 
> method.  The problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a 
> specific DNS then it goes around the router.
>
> But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate 
> and determined teenagers, a service like OpenDNS works rather well, 
> for what it is and what it does.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
>> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different 
>> customers with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue 
>> with any of this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>>
>> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of 
>> what it was actually doing, or even a general description of how it
> worked.
>>
>> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>>
>> Dan

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 17 16:00:58 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 08:00:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I frequently use MXToolbox.com to check how the world sees our DNS records (also to see if 
a client's IP addess is on any blacklists, to check whether their SMTP server is working and 
not an open relay , check that they have a valid PTR record etc).

To query different DNS servers, I use DIG - you can get a Windows CLI version here:
http://members.shaw.ca/nicholas.fong/dig/

-- 
Stuart

On 17 Dec 2011 at 13:31, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:

>  if you are a web developer/sys ops person such as myself, it is very
> useful to query different DNS servers around the world to see if there
> are problems with your configuration and how it is propagating around 




From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 17 18:06:48 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:06:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <79A9C576-1649-453C-8908-AB5330DA27B8@phulse.com>

They made a Windows version? That's neat. Is that without using Cygwin?

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2011-12-17, at 2:00 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> I frequently use MXToolbox.com to check how the world sees our DNS records (also to see if 
> a client's IP addess is on any blacklists, to check whether their SMTP server is working and 
> not an open relay , check that they have a valid PTR record etc).
> 
> To query different DNS servers, I use DIG - you can get a Windows CLI version here:
> http://members.shaw.ca/nicholas.fong/dig/
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 17 Dec 2011 at 13:31, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> 
>> if you are a web developer/sys ops person such as myself, it is very
>> useful to query different DNS servers around the world to see if there
>> are problems with your configuration and how it is propagating around 
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 17 18:35:50 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:35:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <79A9C576-1649-453C-8908-AB5330DA27B8@phulse.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<79A9C576-1649-453C-8908-AB5330DA27B8@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <4EED3566.6653.FB61FB2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It uses Cygwin. The zip contains:

12/06/2008  09:35 AM         1,872,884 cygwin1.dll
14/12/2005  01:29 PM            73,728 dig.exe
14/12/2005  01:28 PM            61,440 host.exe
14/12/2005  01:26 PM            21,504 libbind9.dll
14/12/2005  01:23 PM         1,007,616 libdns.dll
16/10/2003  12:09 PM           737,280 libeay32.dll
14/12/2005  01:21 PM           217,088 libisc.dll
14/12/2005  01:25 PM            53,248 libisccfg.dll
14/12/2005  01:26 PM            35,328 liblwres.dll
24/01/2006  08:44 PM           344,064 msvcr70.dll
30/05/2009  07:39 AM                 0 resolv.conf
12/05/2008  03:12 PM            19,968 sha1sum.exe
18/11/2009  11:48 PM            80,092 whois.exe


On 17 Dec 2011 at 16:06, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:

> They made a Windows version? That's neat. Is that without using Cygwin?
> 
> - Hans
> 




From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Dec 18 11:30:09 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:30:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <5DB682B02ABE4F40AA490E1CA5ED2AAA@XPS>

<<  My 
son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent this issue and within
minutes has discovered 
what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different Domain
name server.  15 minutes 
later he is reading penthouse.>>

  Tongue in cheek or not, wait till he finds out about proxy servers<g>.
Even DNS filtering doesn't help you then.

  Having raised three boys, I can tell you it was a real challenge at times
to stay ahead of them.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server
takes names such as 
Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address www.xxx.yyy.zzz.
OpenDNS simply takes those 
"natural language" IP addresses and filters them against known attributes
and makes a decision 
whether to perform the translation into a numeric IP address.

So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to
OpenDNS, where I have set up my 
filters based on what I want to allow through.  There are checkboxes on that
page which allows me to 
filter out specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult
content.

http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/

My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to
surf to that site.  My 
son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent this issue and within
minutes has discovered 
what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different Domain
name server.  15 minutes 
later he is reading penthouse.

Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....

You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server
such as OpenDNS, which is a 
much more secure implementation method.  The problem is that IIRC if you set
the NIC itself to use a 
specific DNS then it goes around the router.

But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and
determined teenagers, a 
service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it is and what it does.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
> with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
> this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what
it
> was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.
>
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there
are
> any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
>
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond"<rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>
wrote:
>
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
>> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
>> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip
>> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>>
>> www.opendns.com
>>
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them
>> out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
>> Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>>
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>>
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>>   Only my safeguards saved me.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
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>> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
>> corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or
>> review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient.
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Dec 20 12:57:57 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:57:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I have the following query
SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf, Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters] 
INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID) 
INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date] 
INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON 
GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON 
([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date) 
AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER)) 
ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER) 
INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915) 
AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;

The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373

The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061

I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as done by Access. 

Any thoughts appreciated.

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

?
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Dec 20 13:28:53 2011
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:28:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 help functionality problem
Message-ID: <001401ccbf4d$9bb725c0$d3257140$@cox.net>

Folks,

Here is another interesting behavior in Access 2010. It is probably specific
to my installation. Today when I was working on a project I hit the F1 key
in the VBA IDE to get the parameters for a command. Instead of the help
window opening I get a Download authorization dialog that asks if I want to
save Transition.htm from MS.MSACESS.DEV.14.1033. So I say yes and it saves
the file then I open it and it tries to open itself again. Is there some
file association setting that has gotten changed, registry setting that got
hosed, or ???? Help has worked. I shut down Access and restarted the
computer to make sure it wasn't just something that failed to load. Problem
still there.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. I don't use Access help that often but
I do like to use the help from the object browser and that is broken also.

Thanks in advance.

Doug



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Dec 20 15:59:21 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:59:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <4EF10539.1591.1E9A0E24@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You must have eleven records that match your SELECT... JOIN.... WHERE...HAVING   
criteria.

Sum() is adding the values in each of those eleven distinct records together.

-- 
Stuart
On 20 Dec 2011 at 12:57, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf, Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters] 
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID) 
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date] 
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON 
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON 
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date) 
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER)) 
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER) 
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915) 
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
> 
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
> 
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
> 
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as done by Access. 
> 
> Any thoughts appreciated.
> 
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
> 
> ?
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> 
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Dec 20 16:44:15 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:44:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
In-Reply-To: <4EF10539.1591.1E9A0E24@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<4EF10539.1591.1E9A0E24@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D35BE@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

Good observation. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 3:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem

You must have eleven records that match your SELECT... JOIN.... WHERE...HAVING   
criteria.

Sum() is adding the values in each of those eleven distinct records together.

-- 
Stuart
On 20 Dec 2011 at 12:57, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf, Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters] 
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID) 
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date] 
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON 
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON 
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date) 
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER)) 
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER) 
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915) 
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
> 
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
> 
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
> 
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as done by Access. 
> 
> Any thoughts appreciated.
> 
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
> 
> ?
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> 
> 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 17:13:43 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:13:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <00a101ccbf6d$04a75f40$0df61dc0$@net>

Dunno...the Where clause was not being utilized properly for one thing.
This will run much more efficiently....
I couldn't really pin-point the problem though.

SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
       scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
       [Volume] * 1000      AS Mcf,
       Sum([Volume]) * 1000 AS McfTest
FROM   (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
         INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master
           ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID =
scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
        INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
                    INNER JOIN (GA_Header
                                INNER JOIN GA_Details
                                  ON GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER)
                      ON ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date =
GA_Header.Sample_Date )
                         AND ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER =
GA_Header.METER ))
          ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
       INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes
       ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
WHERE  (GA_Details.UNIT = "PCT" ) AND ([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID )
= 362915) AND
       ( scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate  = #12 / 1 / 2011 # )

GROUP  BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
          scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
          [Volume] * 1000
ORDER  BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
>
> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf,
> Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID
> = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date)
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER))
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname
> = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915)
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
>
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
>
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
>
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as
> done by Access.
>
> Any thoughts appreciated.
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 17:22:11 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:22:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
Message-ID: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>

The first one was that client who balked at my $80k estimate for the
shipping CRM system rewrite.originally done in VB, Access97.

Well, I checked back with the guy at the client company with whom I
collaborated with to create the add-on needed to support a new service.

It appears the Dot-net development has stopped, the system never got
released, and this is likely going to litigation.

The client has paid about $180,000 to date and has refused to pay any more
invoices from the consulting firm.

It has been 2 years in development.

Interestingly, part of the problem appears to be the fact that "this guy"
was not at all involved in the rewrite specifications.

Some other managers took over that task and it appears they were
flip-flopping on the specs and functionality.

So this is now a case of BOTH SIDE BEING RESPONSIBLE for the overrun.

However, NEITHER ONE sees it that way.

Does this sound familiar to anyone ?

 

See next post for the next "doozy" I've run into..



From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 18:12:45 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:12:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>

Got a short term (aka "stinker") contract for some Excel development work.
2 "layers" (i.e. commissions) of consulting firms involved....the first one
pretty "smarmy"...they initially lied about the legal engagement aspects to
rope me in.
This is so typical of these agency firms. I haven't met one over the past 5
years with any kind of respect for business ethics...not one.
The second is a huge global IT Consulting firm with ties to military
contracts. However, this contract is a follow-up to an original contract
from 3 years ago with a non-military client of theirs.
They had one of their contract employees build some VBA to create a
sophisticated Linear Programming model in Excel.
They were unable to get the original developers to commit to the enhancement
work, so they came to me. Those guys effectively "ducked out". I always
wondered why ?

I spent a few weeks getting to understand the system and it's flows....as
well as the nature of the processing.
There was no technical documentation.
I started into the 4500 lines of VBA code last week. Pure crap. No comments
or few comments or misleading comments in the code. Poor writing style, no
variables were named properly. There was no error trapping. Option Explicit
missing from many modules and forms.
Even worse: the original developer would take some crappy code from one
place, clone it in another, and make slight changes. Finally, the GUI design
of the forms and in-sheet controls was horrendous. For instance, instead of
coding a Title to a OpenFile (GetOpenFilename) Dialog, they would first
pop-up a Message Box with the title trying to indicate the nature of the
file that needed to be selected, and then call the function without a title.
This is just one example of the shoddy work done on this.
Now they want the system revamped, and "enhanced" with new features. Keep in
mind, this is a CRITICAL operations system for their client.
After a few days of working with it, because I didn't have intimate
knowledge of it, it kept blowing up on me.
In some cases it was mistakenly opening up the wrong workbook. Instead of
detecting that condition, it would go on it's
merry way....till it blew-up processing the wrong data.

So I write-up all of my findings in excruciating detail. What do I get in
response ?
Here it goes: "Well then Mark, we'll ALL have to put in some 'extra' time on
this if you've got to spend so much time cleaning up this code. We have a
fixed budget for this work."
By 'extra time', they of course meant "free" time.
What a load of B.S. So I asked the project manager about the "code reviews"
on the initial project and he didn't say a word. Also, I told him a few
weeks ago to get a second opinion. Once again, no response.

So I haven't said much lately since that missive of mine went out. But I
definitely am not going to work for free...no matter what. Because of their
poor oversight and use of a programmer who didn't know VBA, didn't know the
Excel Object Model, and couldn't design a GUI to save his soul, they've got
to take the "fall" on this. It's only right. If I have to, I'll get a lawyer
and make them look really stupid.

Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become
repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost without
words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. I
do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was
instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced wages.
So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting world.
What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.





From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Dec 20 18:20:59 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:20:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
In-Reply-To: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
Message-ID: <002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>

Yes!  Did I say Yes!

Customers tend to buy on who 'sounds' like experts, even though the customer
has no way to know who is really qualified.

I have a specific process I go through to avoid this.  It has two major
steps - Requirements and Development.

In the Requirements stage, the deliverable is a set of requirements that
could be used by anyone.  I will estimate the amount of time (money) this
will take, but I won't get pinned down.  I end up with a set of screenshots
that were developed by me and a user group over time.  During this phase, I
simply bill by the hour.  During this time, I am working as a consultant
just to create requirements.

>From the requirements, I quote a fixed amount to do the Development phase.
The customer is free to take the requirements and have them quoted by
someone else.  If they want to find a cheaper company, so be it - but it
hasn't happened yet.  At some point during Requirements, I'll start giving a
range of what the Development might cost, and I've learned to err on the
high side.

Another good practice is to do bite-sized pieces.  Whatever get chewed off
in the beginning will determine what they want to eat later on!

Maybe you could now 'ride in on the white horse?'

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another

The first one was that client who balked at my $80k estimate for the
shipping CRM system rewrite.originally done in VB, Access97.

Well, I checked back with the guy at the client company with whom I
collaborated with to create the add-on needed to support a new service.

It appears the Dot-net development has stopped, the system never got
released, and this is likely going to litigation.

The client has paid about $180,000 to date and has refused to pay any more
invoices from the consulting firm.

It has been 2 years in development.

Interestingly, part of the problem appears to be the fact that "this guy"
was not at all involved in the rewrite specifications.

Some other managers took over that task and it appears they were
flip-flopping on the specs and functionality.

So this is now a case of BOTH SIDE BEING RESPONSIBLE for the overrun.

However, NEITHER ONE sees it that way.

Does this sound familiar to anyone ?

 

See next post for the next "doozy" I've run into..

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 18:46:42 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:46:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
In-Reply-To: <002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>

Well Dan, for something as complex and integrated as a CRM, it's tough.
That's why there are so many CRM "Frameworks" out there.
In this particular case however, their requirements were unique....to the
shipping business.
NO OTS solutions were out there.

Doing this in house meant the risk of a complex requirements development and
data analysis...
a monumental task especially if you were not in the shipping business.
First you have to learn the shipping business, then marine law and marine
regulations and reporting requirements.
Holy, Moly...that was a HUGE MOUNTAIN to climb.
That's years of specific knowledge acquisition....and they hired a
consulting firm with ostensibly...
NO SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

Risky business indeed....and thus the upcoming litigation.




From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Tue Dec 20 18:55:19 2011
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:55:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
Message-ID: <06470800591B41B3B7468FEFA76D4E04@abpc>

I've met this frustrating and stupid contracting world too. I now renounce, but keep asking myself what's the benefits for companies receiving stupid contracting code? Sooner or later they have to advance to "15 years ago"...
Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 21. december 2011 01:13
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] And now the other...

Got a short term (aka "stinker") contract for some Excel development work.
2 "layers" (i.e. commissions) of consulting firms involved....the first one
pretty "smarmy"...they initially lied about the legal engagement aspects to
rope me in.
This is so typical of these agency firms. I haven't met one over the past 5
years with any kind of respect for business ethics...not one.
The second is a huge global IT Consulting firm with ties to military
contracts. However, this contract is a follow-up to an original contract
from 3 years ago with a non-military client of theirs.
They had one of their contract employees build some VBA to create a
sophisticated Linear Programming model in Excel.
They were unable to get the original developers to commit to the enhancement
work, so they came to me. Those guys effectively "ducked out". I always
wondered why ?

I spent a few weeks getting to understand the system and it's flows....as
well as the nature of the processing.
There was no technical documentation.
I started into the 4500 lines of VBA code last week. Pure crap. No comments
or few comments or misleading comments in the code. Poor writing style, no
variables were named properly. There was no error trapping. Option Explicit
missing from many modules and forms.
Even worse: the original developer would take some crappy code from one
place, clone it in another, and make slight changes. Finally, the GUI design
of the forms and in-sheet controls was horrendous. For instance, instead of
coding a Title to a OpenFile (GetOpenFilename) Dialog, they would first
pop-up a Message Box with the title trying to indicate the nature of the
file that needed to be selected, and then call the function without a title.
This is just one example of the shoddy work done on this.
Now they want the system revamped, and "enhanced" with new features. Keep in
mind, this is a CRITICAL operations system for their client.
After a few days of working with it, because I didn't have intimate
knowledge of it, it kept blowing up on me.
In some cases it was mistakenly opening up the wrong workbook. Instead of
detecting that condition, it would go on it's
merry way....till it blew-up processing the wrong data.

So I write-up all of my findings in excruciating detail. What do I get in
response ?
Here it goes: "Well then Mark, we'll ALL have to put in some 'extra' time on
this if you've got to spend so much time cleaning up this code. We have a
fixed budget for this work."
By 'extra time', they of course meant "free" time.
What a load of B.S. So I asked the project manager about the "code reviews"
on the initial project and he didn't say a word. Also, I told him a few
weeks ago to get a second opinion. Once again, no response.

So I haven't said much lately since that missive of mine went out. But I
definitely am not going to work for free...no matter what. Because of their
poor oversight and use of a programmer who didn't know VBA, didn't know the
Excel Object Model, and couldn't design a GUI to save his soul, they've got
to take the "fall" on this. It's only right. If I have to, I'll get a lawyer
and make them look really stupid.

Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become
repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost without
words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. I
do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was
instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced wages.
So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting world.
What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.



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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 20 19:05:19 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:05:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <06470800591B41B3B7468FEFA76D4E04@abpc>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
	<06470800591B41B3B7468FEFA76D4E04@abpc>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560616A@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>


This sort of thing is exactly what is hurting a local accounting software company very badly.  Their 'upgrade' to a new system has been botched pretty badly.

Many complaints and screams from the 1% of customers who are using the new software to date.  It is awful that even MYOB's own business partners are recommending that users stay on their legacy software or more to other competing platforms.  MYOB haven't handled this very well to date.

<<http://www.crn.com.au/News/284460,myob-a-lesson-in-how-to-bungle-a-beta.aspx>>

Is a good summary.  The forums are interesting reading if you have the time and interest in these sort of things.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond
Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011 11:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] And now the other...

I've met this frustrating and stupid contracting world too. I now renounce, but keep asking myself what's the benefits for companies receiving stupid contracting code? Sooner or later they have to advance to "15 years ago"...
Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 21. december 2011 01:13
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] And now the other...

Got a short term (aka "stinker") contract for some Excel development work.
2 "layers" (i.e. commissions) of consulting firms involved....the first one pretty "smarmy"...they initially lied about the legal engagement aspects to rope me in.
This is so typical of these agency firms. I haven't met one over the past 5 years with any kind of respect for business ethics...not one.
The second is a huge global IT Consulting firm with ties to military contracts. However, this contract is a follow-up to an original contract from 3 years ago with a non-military client of theirs.
They had one of their contract employees build some VBA to create a sophisticated Linear Programming model in Excel.
They were unable to get the original developers to commit to the enhancement work, so they came to me. Those guys effectively "ducked out". I always wondered why ?

I spent a few weeks getting to understand the system and it's flows....as well as the nature of the processing.
There was no technical documentation.
I started into the 4500 lines of VBA code last week. Pure crap. No comments or few comments or misleading comments in the code. Poor writing style, no variables were named properly. There was no error trapping. Option Explicit missing from many modules and forms.
Even worse: the original developer would take some crappy code from one place, clone it in another, and make slight changes. Finally, the GUI design of the forms and in-sheet controls was horrendous. For instance, instead of coding a Title to a OpenFile (GetOpenFilename) Dialog, they would first pop-up a Message Box with the title trying to indicate the nature of the file that needed to be selected, and then call the function without a title.
This is just one example of the shoddy work done on this.
Now they want the system revamped, and "enhanced" with new features. Keep in mind, this is a CRITICAL operations system for their client.
After a few days of working with it, because I didn't have intimate knowledge of it, it kept blowing up on me.
In some cases it was mistakenly opening up the wrong workbook. Instead of detecting that condition, it would go on it's merry way....till it blew-up processing the wrong data.

So I write-up all of my findings in excruciating detail. What do I get in response ?
Here it goes: "Well then Mark, we'll ALL have to put in some 'extra' time on this if you've got to spend so much time cleaning up this code. We have a fixed budget for this work."
By 'extra time', they of course meant "free" time.
What a load of B.S. So I asked the project manager about the "code reviews"
on the initial project and he didn't say a word. Also, I told him a few weeks ago to get a second opinion. Once again, no response.

So I haven't said much lately since that missive of mine went out. But I definitely am not going to work for free...no matter what. Because of their poor oversight and use of a programmer who didn't know VBA, didn't know the Excel Object Model, and couldn't design a GUI to save his soul, they've got to take the "fall" on this. It's only right. If I have to, I'll get a lawyer and make them look really stupid.

Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost without words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. I do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced wages.
So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting world.
What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.



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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 19:09:43 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:09:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
Message-ID: <0707F689F69B490FA7954485A33D30B1@SusanHarkins>

I recently was asked to consult, albeit just a quick opinion, on a similar 
project. In truth, things didn't look particularly bad, but I didn't spend 
much time reviewing the code, etc. A developer, via a small consulting firm, 
WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY underbid and then stopped working when he tired of 
the project. The developer claimed the client was guilty of scope creep --  
the guy didn't know whether he was or not. There was no formal spec sheet, 
if the guy was honest with me about it.

The budget for the project's been spent and it isn't done. The poor guy is 
stuck -- boss is mad.

At some point in the conversation, sitting in his office, it became apparent 
to me that he thought I was going to finish it for free. Um... no, and why 
would I? I just said, "I don't care whether you pay me or whether the 
consulting firm you originally hired pays me." FWIW, I don't work for that 
firm, I was just doing someone a quick favor.

I'm sitting across from the client and he says, "Developers aren't looking 
too good to me right now." So not my problem.

I finally told him he needed to take it up with the consulting firm and ask 
for a refund or for someone to complete the project. I doubt he got either.

Susan H.


>
> Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become
> repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost 
> without
> words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. 
> I
> do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
> But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was
> instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced 
> wages.
> So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting 
> world.
> What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.



From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Dec 20 20:06:55 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:06:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
In-Reply-To: <00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
Message-ID: <002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>

Sounds like this marine shipping company jumped into a leaky boat and headed
of in the wrong direction!  ;-)

They should have known better than that.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another

Well Dan, for something as complex and integrated as a CRM, it's tough.
That's why there are so many CRM "Frameworks" out there.
In this particular case however, their requirements were unique....to the
shipping business.
NO OTS solutions were out there.

Doing this in house meant the risk of a complex requirements development and
data analysis...
a monumental task especially if you were not in the shipping business.
First you have to learn the shipping business, then marine law and marine
regulations and reporting requirements.
Holy, Moly...that was a HUGE MOUNTAIN to climb.
That's years of specific knowledge acquisition....and they hired a
consulting firm with ostensibly...
NO SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

Risky business indeed....and thus the upcoming litigation.


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 21:08:01 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:08:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...WOW SUSAN
In-Reply-To: <0707F689F69B490FA7954485A33D30B1@SusanHarkins>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
	<0707F689F69B490FA7954485A33D30B1@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <000101ccbf8d$c0382260$40a86720$@net>

Wow Susan, WHAT A STORY ! The "attitudes" were just so....TELLING.





From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 21:25:40 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:25:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>

Re: "wrong direction"

Your are right, but IT GETS EVEN BETTER :
After I installed the really complex and fully integrated with their CRM
database Access add-on that provided them with another $300k in services fee
income, they later wanted to offer me "Fulltime employment".
This was AFTER I made the $80k Access proposal which they rejected.
(Remember, they are currently sitting at $180k in dev expenses and NO SYSTEM
has been delivered)

Well, the BIG PROBLEM was I was still bound to an AGENCY non-compete
agreement.
The agency decided that they were a "big part" of this (they did NOTHING)
and should get a whopping $30k one-time fee for that employment contract.
That put me way under $100k as a salary for which I felt
entitled...especially given the 60 mile roundtrip commute I was facing daily
if I were to commit to them.

So I rejected the offer; and then they immediately contracted with that
consulting company....

And ..."The Rest Is History" as they say.

Incredible story, no ?

Susan, something to publish perhaps ?




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 03:40:25 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 04:40:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gwwH0xPh16s84MaiBn97B3bFt5qz3yQYOKEYx-J2s7ug@mail.gmail.com>

I feel your pain, but at the same time I predicted this outcome over 10
years ago. We developers have become the MayTag repair-persons of this
century. We wait for something to fix, and in the meantime do next to
nothing

Arthur


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec 21 04:43:01 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:43:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Book
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560637C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Arthur,

Got my copy of the book today that you recommended.  Just want to say thanks. It is great and will be a wonderful resource for both myself and my boys as they grow up. Most excellent indeed.

Alos a good time to say a big thank you and merrry xmas to everyone on this list. Once again, you have been an invaluable source of help and support over the past year.  I have learnt more from you guys and girls than any course could offer.  You are an amazing and always educational resource.  So Cheers!

:)
Darryl.






From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 05:49:46 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:49:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Book
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560637C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560637C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iwMx72pSp20A0w7A2J6ExZ3cOemQf-jBa8PXjyawb23A@mail.gmail.com>

I'm glad to hear that you like the book.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> Got my copy of the book today that you recommended.  Just want to say
> thanks. It is great and will be a wonderful resource for both myself and my
> boys as they grow up. Most excellent indeed.
>
> --
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 07:54:04 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:54:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
Message-ID: <6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>

>
> Well, the BIG PROBLEM was I was still bound to an AGENCY non-compete
> agreement.
> The agency decided that they were a "big part" of this (they did NOTHING)
> and should get a whopping $30k one-time fee for that employment contract.
> That put me way under $100k as a salary for which I felt
> entitled...especially given the 60 mile roundtrip commute I was facing 
> daily
> if I were to commit to them.

========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that 
restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how long were 
you there?


> So I rejected the offer; and then they immediately contracted with that
> consulting company....
>
> And ..."The Rest Is History" as they say.
>
> Incredible story, no ?
>
> Susan, something to publish perhaps ?

========10 developers tell their favorite Scrooge stories :)

Susan H. 



From guss at beechnutconsulting.com  Wed Dec 21 11:29:10 2011
From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:29:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
Message-ID: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>

I have created a folder where I scan documents into searchable pdf files.  I
have windows (7 Ultimate) indexing setup to index on the contents, and now I
want to write a query that uses the Windows Index file as the recordsource.
I am hoping to set up this as perhaps a linked table, and build a query that
looks something like:

 

Select filename, path FROM WindowsIndexFile where IndexedContent =
mysearchstring1 OR IndexedContent = mysearchstring2; where I am totally
guessing what the fields are.

 

My computer tells me that the index is stored on C:\Program Data\Windows,
but there are a lot of folders under that, and I have no clue about where to
look or what the file is or how to access it.

 

Any suggestions appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Sincerely yours,

 

Guss Ginsburg

Beechnut Consulting Services

 



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 12:12:00 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:12:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP stored procedure
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>

A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran from
SSMS.


If either of these are ran from SSMS:

EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''


EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL

The data is returned as expected.


If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate window, we
get different results.

The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is being
calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.

Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned rows)
will be different.

I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a resultset to
Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.

Does anyone have any ideas?

TIA,
David


From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 12:35:43 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:35:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>

You're very sharp Susan....as you picked-out a very powerful weapon used by
the agencies.
It was a onerous 1 year agreement. The count-down BEGINS the day after no
longer do any work for that client.
Since the client used this agency for other personnel fill-ins as well, they
did not want to chance a lawsuit over breaking this agreement.
The agencies get away with this because the downside EFFECTS of such an
agreement are never made known. It's the agency's "big secret". That's why
this is such a great story of CAUSE and EFFECT. Here is a clear cut case of
the clause causing harm to the client. You never hear or read about the
stories related to this, do you ? I can see it now....
"Greedy Agency Harms Own Client Over Onerous Non-compete Agreement"



> ========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that
> restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how long
> were you there?
>
>
> Susan H.




From df.waters at comcast.net  Wed Dec 21 12:43:48 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:43:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
Message-ID: <01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>

What I'm familiar with is an agreement where the client can't hire a temp
until at least x days have passed (typically 90).  If they hire a temp after
that and before the contract expires, the agency then gets a prorated
'kickback' to cover their lost income.  

But I've never heard of a restriction After the original working time
expires.  This sounds onerous enough to wonder if it's legal.  Or perhaps
legal in one state but not in another.  Sounds like a 'job-killer'.
Seriously, call your congressman to get this fixed.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"

You're very sharp Susan....as you picked-out a very powerful weapon used by
the agencies.
It was a onerous 1 year agreement. The count-down BEGINS the day after no
longer do any work for that client.
Since the client used this agency for other personnel fill-ins as well, they
did not want to chance a lawsuit over breaking this agreement.
The agencies get away with this because the downside EFFECTS of such an
agreement are never made known. It's the agency's "big secret". That's why
this is such a great story of CAUSE and EFFECT. Here is a clear cut case of
the clause causing harm to the client. You never hear or read about the
stories related to this, do you ? I can see it now....
"Greedy Agency Harms Own Client Over Onerous Non-compete Agreement"



> ========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that 
> restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how 
> long were you there?
>
>
> Susan H.


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 12:46:23 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:46:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
In-Reply-To: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>
References: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <011a01ccc010$d6afb1b0$840f1510$@net>

I don't think it's possible Gus. I don't even think MSFT added an API to
read the index.
Indeed, they made changes to this in Windows 7.
I only saw this in Technet:
The index files have the following protection by default:
    Access Control Lists (ACLs) that only allow the BUILTIN\Administrators
and NT Authority\System users access to the index.
    Index files are lightly obfuscated.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:29 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
>
> I have created a folder where I scan documents into searchable pdf
> files.  I
> have windows (7 Ultimate) indexing setup to index on the contents, and
> now I
> want to write a query that uses the Windows Index file as the
> recordsource.
> I am hoping to set up this as perhaps a linked table, and build a query
> that
> looks something like:
>
>
>
> Select filename, path FROM WindowsIndexFile where IndexedContent =
> mysearchstring1 OR IndexedContent = mysearchstring2; where I am totally
> guessing what the fields are.
>
>
>
> My computer tells me that the index is stored on C:\Program
> Data\Windows,
> but there are a lot of folders under that, and I have no clue about
> where to
> look or what the file is or how to access it.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
>
>
> Guss Ginsburg
>
> Beechnut Consulting Services
>
>
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From df.waters at comcast.net  Wed Dec 21 13:01:52 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:01:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
In-Reply-To: <011a01ccc010$d6afb1b0$840f1510$@net>
References: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>
	<011a01ccc010$d6afb1b0$840f1510$@net>
Message-ID: <01b301ccc013$0035cfe0$00a16fa0$@comcast.net>

Hi Guss,

You can do a lot with FileSystemObject (Microsoft Scripting Runtime).

This is an example of changing the read only property of files in a folder:

'-------------------

    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim fol As Folder
    Dim fil As File
    Dim filList As Object
    Dim fProperty As Object
    
    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set fol = fso.GetFolder(stgFolderPath)
    Set filList = f.Files
    For Each fil In fc
        '-- Set file as read-only
        stgFilePath = stgFolderPath & "\" & f1.Name
        Set fProperties = fso.GetFile(stgFilePath)
        If blnReadOnly = True Then
            fProperties.Attributes = 1
        Else
            fProperties.Attributes = 0
        End If
    Next

'------------------

There is much more you can do with the methods and properties from
FileSystemObject.

HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index

I don't think it's possible Gus. I don't even think MSFT added an API to
read the index.
Indeed, they made changes to this in Windows 7.
I only saw this in Technet:
The index files have the following protection by default:
    Access Control Lists (ACLs) that only allow the BUILTIN\Administrators
and NT Authority\System users access to the index.
    Index files are lightly obfuscated.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:29 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
>
> I have created a folder where I scan documents into searchable pdf 
> files.  I have windows (7 Ultimate) indexing setup to index on the 
> contents, and now I want to write a query that uses the Windows Index 
> file as the recordsource.
> I am hoping to set up this as perhaps a linked table, and build a 
> query that looks something like:
>
>
>
> Select filename, path FROM WindowsIndexFile where IndexedContent =
> mysearchstring1 OR IndexedContent = mysearchstring2; where I am totally
> guessing what the fields are.
>
>
>
> My computer tells me that the index is stored on C:\Program
> Data\Windows,
> but there are a lot of folders under that, and I have no clue about
> where to
> look or what the file is or how to access it.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
>
>
> Guss Ginsburg
>
> Beechnut Consulting Services
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 13:23:57 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:23:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16EA26479A244A2AA692EEC353B4D3D6@SusanHarkins>

Did you know about this clause when you signed up?

Susan H.
> It was a onerous 1 year agreement. The count-down BEGINS the day after no
> longer do any work for that client.
> Since the client used this agency for other personnel fill-ins as well, 
> they
> did not want to chance a lawsuit over breaking this agreement.
> The agencies get away with this because the downside EFFECTS of such an
> agreement are never made known. It's the agency's "big secret". That's why
> this is such a great story of CAUSE and EFFECT. Here is a clear cut case 
> of
> the clause causing harm to the client. You never hear or read about the
> stories related to this, do you ? I can see it now....
> "Greedy Agency Harms Own Client Over Onerous Non-compete Agreement"
>
>
>
>> ========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that
>> restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how
>> long were you there?
>>
>>
>> Susan H.
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 13:37:58 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:37:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <16EA26479A244A2AA692EEC353B4D3D6@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<16EA26479A244A2AA692EEC353B4D3D6@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <013c01ccc018$0b995cd0$22cc1670$@net>

You bet. No leverage to negotiate...natch.
I later discovered thru an online forum that Robert Half is one of the most
hated and complained about agencies in the country.

>
> Did you know about this clause when you signed up?
>
> Susan H.




From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 13:43:41 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:43:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>

Exactly Dan. Had it gone to a lawsuit, it would have been your typical
"pissing match" by lawyers.
No one would win....but they would be enriched in the process.
I have heard of these non-compete cases going on for literally decades...I'm
not kidding.
I had a friend who did exactly that when she set-up her own Orthodontal
office near her old boss.
Finally settled after 20 years.

Today everyone is blaming America's woes on capitalism. That's entirely
BOGUS.
Capitalism is about FREE MARKETS. However, today's laws and lawyers prevent
capitalism to work as it was originally intended to work. We are in a
quasi-socialistic environment where the "big boys" and businessmen with
political influence rule our world.


> But I've never heard of a restriction After the original working time
> expires.  This sounds onerous enough to wonder if it's legal.  Or
> perhaps legal in one state but not in another.  Sounds like a
'job-killer'.
> Seriously, call your congressman to get this fixed.
>
> Dan




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 13:55:44 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:55:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
Message-ID: <C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>

My dad sold a small business in the early 80's. The buyer tried to force a 
non-compete clause that was absolutely ridiculous. My dad would've had to 
move to work! His lawyer told the buyer no way... they haggled for a long 
time, but eventually left it out. I guess you can't blame people for trying, 
we just have to know when to say no.

Susan H.



> Exactly Dan. Had it gone to a lawsuit, it would have been your typical
> "pissing match" by lawyers.
> No one would win....but they would be enriched in the process.
> I have heard of these non-compete cases going on for literally 
> decades...I'm
> not kidding.
> I had a friend who did exactly that when she set-up her own Orthodontal
> office near her old boss.
> Finally settled after 20 years.



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 14:37:45 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:37:45 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [ACCESS-L] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP
	stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
References: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>

I created a new mdb and it returns correctly, as expected via a pass
through query.

I'm going to try a box with an Access version <2007 to test the ADP.



On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Duane Hookom <duanehookom at hotmail.com>wrote:

> How does it look if you try this in a Pass-Through query?
>
> Duane Hookom
> MS Access MVP
>
>
> > From: davidmcafee at GMAIL.COM
> >
> > A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran
> from
> > SSMS.
> >
> >
> > If either of these are ran from SSMS:
> >
> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''
> >
> >
> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL
> >
> > The data is returned as expected.
> >
> >
> > If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate window,
> we
> > get different results.
> >
> > The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is being
> > calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.
> >
> > Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned
> rows)
> > will be different.
> >
> > I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a resultset
> to
> > Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.
> >
> > Does anyone have any ideas?
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 14:58:27 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:58:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [ACCESS-L] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP
	stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
	<CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWa1u7eR18nSk0avM52ncwjLPH3cdy_inQy60pKpJQYtQg@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I tested the ADP on a box with Access 2002.
It returned the same, incorrect row count and values.

I tried running the stored procedure from a different ADP and it also
returns incorrect records.

So far the only way to get the correct results besides running it directly
in SSMS is to run it from an mdb using a pass through query.

What occurs differently between running a pass through vs running the sproc
directly from the Access database window?

David

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:

> I created a new mdb and it returns correctly, as expected via a pass
> through query.
>
> I'm going to try a box with an Access version <2007 to test the ADP.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Duane Hookom <duanehookom at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> How does it look if you try this in a Pass-Through query?
>>
>> Duane Hookom
>> MS Access MVP
>>
>>
>> > From: davidmcafee at GMAIL.COM
>> >
>> > A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran
>> from
>> > SSMS.
>> >
>> >
>> > If either of these are ran from SSMS:
>> >
>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''
>> >
>> >
>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL
>> >
>> > The data is returned as expected.
>> >
>> >
>> > If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate
>> window, we
>> > get different results.
>> >
>> > The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is
>> being
>> > calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.
>> >
>> > Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned
>> rows)
>> > will be different.
>> >
>> > I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a
>> resultset to
>> > Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have any ideas?
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> international's LISTSERV(R) software.  For subscription/signoff info
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 15:06:15 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:06:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>

True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
15 years ago ? No problem.

> we just have to know when to say no.
>
> Susan H.




From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 15:44:35 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:44:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [ACCESS-L] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP
	stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWa1u7eR18nSk0avM52ncwjLPH3cdy_inQy60pKpJQYtQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
	<CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWa1u7eR18nSk0avM52ncwjLPH3cdy_inQy60pKpJQYtQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWaYC8=N2czUbMqRwhLap7KndqGOgLicJRYBqTGyu=R2wg@mail.gmail.com>

OK, we ran a Trace on the different ways we are running the sproc.

When it is called from the ADP, the sproc is called via an RPC, not
directly as a passthrough query (as I've assumed it was called).

>From the ADP, if I run this:

Private Sub Command8_Click()
Dim rs As Recordset
Set rs = CurrentProject.Connection.Execute("EXEC RRMS.dbo.stpR6Payouts
'1/1/2011','11/30/2011',null")
Debug.Print rs.RecordCount

I get the correct count!

If I put an break point on the last line above and run this from the
immediate window:
rs.MoveFirst
? rs![CustName]
STAR FORD
? rs![IndividualPayCalc]
 5368

I get the correct amount (that 5368 is never correct when running the sproc
from the immediate window in the ADP).

So this tells me the rendering in the ADP is having issues, correct?

This is scary. How many other things have I trusted to be correct and
weren't?

:/

Any ideas?

David


On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:58 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:

> OK, I tested the ADP on a box with Access 2002.
> It returned the same, incorrect row count and values.
>
> I tried running the stored procedure from a different ADP and it also
> returns incorrect records.
>
> So far the only way to get the correct results besides running it directly
> in SSMS is to run it from an mdb using a pass through query.
>
> What occurs differently between running a pass through vs running the
> sproc directly from the Access database window?
>
> David
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I created a new mdb and it returns correctly, as expected via a pass
>> through query.
>>
>> I'm going to try a box with an Access version <2007 to test the ADP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Duane Hookom <duanehookom at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> How does it look if you try this in a Pass-Through query?
>>>
>>> Duane Hookom
>>> MS Access MVP
>>>
>>>
>>> > From: davidmcafee at GMAIL.COM
>>> >
>>> > A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran
>>> from
>>> > SSMS.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > If either of these are ran from SSMS:
>>> >
>>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL
>>> >
>>> > The data is returned as expected.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate
>>> window, we
>>> > get different results.
>>> >
>>> > The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is
>>> being
>>> > calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.
>>> >
>>> > Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned
>>> rows)
>>> > will be different.
>>> >
>>> > I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a
>>> resultset to
>>> > Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.
>>> >
>>> > Does anyone have any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> The ACCESS-L list is hosted on a Windows(R) 2003 Server running L-Soft
>>> international's LISTSERV(R) software.  For subscription/signoff info
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>>>
>>
>>
>


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 18:09:51 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:09:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net><013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net><C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
Message-ID: <68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>

Yeah, I understand. I've never turned down work. 

Susan H. 


> True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
> 15 years ago ? No problem.
> 
>> we just have to know when to say no.
>>
>> Susan H.



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 18:26:12 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:26:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
	<68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't mean to start a war here, Susan, but I venture to suggest that you
ought to learn how to fire clients. Clues include:

a) they don't pay within 30 days;
b) they don't respond to emails within 24 hours.

If either or both of these occur, move on, my lovely lady; call it a lesson
learned and move on! But before doing so, document this somewhere findable
(FaceBook etc.) to warn us all of dealing with this scumfork client. We
have your six, Susan!

Love and kisses and Merry Christmas, and know that I meant what I said in
the second-previous sentence. You need reinforcements, you got 'em. My arms
and reach are long, and extend way past this group. Snap your fingers, and
something might happen.

A.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I understand. I've never turned down work.
> Susan H.
>
>  True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
>> 15 years ago ? No problem.
>>
>>  we just have to know when to say no.
>>>
>>> Susan H.
>>>
>>
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>



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Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 18:47:24 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:47:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net><013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net><C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins><002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net><68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BFDE783DEED04D58B32314ABF531831D@SusanHarkins>

I would if I needed to -- don't need to. I haven't had a bad client in a 
long, long time, thank you Jesus. :) What I meant was, if the clients I have 
need something, I find a way to get it to them. That's because they pay 
within 30 days and always respond quickly. ;)

Susan H.


>I don't mean to start a war here, Susan, but I venture to suggest that you
> ought to learn how to fire clients. Clues include:
>
> a) they don't pay within 30 days;
> b) they don't respond to emails within 24 hours.
>
> If either or both of these occur, move on, my lovely lady; call it a 
> lesson
> learned and move on! But before doing so, document this somewhere findable
> (FaceBook etc.) to warn us all of dealing with this scumfork client. We
> have your six, Susan!
>
> Love and kisses and Merry Christmas, and know that I meant what I said in
> the second-previous sentence. You need reinforcements, you got 'em. My 
> arms
> and reach are long, and extend way past this group. Snap your fingers, and
> something might happen.
>



From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 22:13:04 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:13:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
	<68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401ccc060$00acf4b0$0206de10$@net>

Wow Art, that is prophetic as a measure of a client.
And I totally agree. Their payment practices speak volumes for their
commitment and integrity.
Fire a client ? ABSOLUTELY. In fact, if you go to any Personal Injury Law
firm, they spend an enormous amount of time doing what ? SIZING UP THEIR
POTENTIAL CLIENTS. If they don't like em, they say good bye IMMEDIATELY.
Trust me, I have a good friend in that business.

I had a client from hell. Indian guy...IT director.
Fired his employee....then a lawsuit ensued (OF COURSE !!).
I got hired to pick up that work. It was crap (heard this before ?).
I worked like a madman to learn their business, their operations,
etc....there was no documentation (heard this before ?)
The Access database was in need of a total rewrite. No time for that (heard
this before ?)

So I kept on working....without getting paid.
Then they fired me, just when I had finished it all.
Asked for their really expensive laptop back.
I REFUSED to give it back without being paid.

Agency stepped in....called for a demo.
I demoed, they were happy, I got paid...on-the-spot, in full.

I was contacted to do some enhancements, they didn't like my price or time
estimates...
so I never heard from them again.




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 22:26:35 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:26:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4ALoP107CXrP2srRixH13j9XAC=fPf8gvytzQLsiXtwg@mail.gmail.com>

@Art... spot on. The longer one stays associated with a bad gig the less
self respect one retains.

If you stay on past the point where you can feel yourself beginning to
resent this client or employer you might start to show a side of yourself
which you wouldn't in a more healthy environment.

It usually pays to be diplomatic in how you "fire" a client.Try not to give
them a reason to blackball you and offer to do knowledge tranfer ... even
if you despise them.

When it comes to improving your situation SEEK AND YOU SHALL FIND!!!
On Dec 21, 2011 4:07 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
> 15 years ago ? No problem.
>
> > we just have to know when to say no.
> >
> > Susan H.
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 22:34:31 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:34:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <002401ccc060$00acf4b0$0206de10$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
	<68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401ccc060$00acf4b0$0206de10$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6miPMSW+poSnDyxm-5XyZkh7QBL7hkENQyJEwQvSqCoQ@mail.gmail.com>

When it comes to love you never forget your first. But in the working world
you never forget your worst, eh Mark?
On Dec 21, 2011 11:14 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Wow Art, that is prophetic as a measure of a client.
> And I totally agree. Their payment practices speak volumes for their
> commitment and integrity.
> Fire a client ? ABSOLUTELY. In fact, if you go to any Personal Injury Law
> firm, they spend an enormous amount of time doing what ? SIZING UP THEIR
> POTENTIAL CLIENTS. If they don't like em, they say good bye IMMEDIATELY.
> Trust me, I have a good friend in that business.
>
> I had a client from hell. Indian guy...IT director.
> Fired his employee....then a lawsuit ensued (OF COURSE !!).
> I got hired to pick up that work. It was crap (heard this before ?).
> I worked like a madman to learn their business, their operations,
> etc....there was no documentation (heard this before ?)
> The Access database was in need of a total rewrite. No time for that (heard
> this before ?)
>
> So I kept on working....without getting paid.
> Then they fired me, just when I had finished it all.
> Asked for their really expensive laptop back.
> I REFUSED to give it back without being paid.
>
> Agency stepped in....called for a demo.
> I demoed, they were happy, I got paid...on-the-spot, in full.
>
> I was contacted to do some enhancements, they didn't like my price or time
> estimates...
> so I never heard from them again.
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Dec 22 12:35:38 2011
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:35:38 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
Message-ID: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>


Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1

Pat     Date       Result
A1     01-01-11    15
A1     10-10-11     7
A1     11-11-11     6

When i use the query: 

SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;

Then is stil have these three records because of the Result

What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what value there is for result

Pat     LastDate         Result
A1     11-11-11           6


I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
Is has to been done with a subquery.

Who can help me?

Thanks

Pedro


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 06:05:26 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:05:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jdj66N4wOGrtPDNg2=Amm9fF9aGBDzHaTZW5Z9=++d4A@mail.gmail.com>

I think what you want is this:

SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;

HTH,
Arthur

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:

>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat     Date       Result
> A1     01-01-11    15
> A1     10-10-11     7
> A1     11-11-11     6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> value there is for result
>
> Pat     LastDate         Result
> A1     11-11-11           6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 08:03:57 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:03:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pKyxRbCn-0jUcbCFXHTcsEBjwa-wBaCFcU3ATbcgP1grQ@mail.gmail.com>

Remove the tbl1.Result from the Group By so you only group by Pat.

GK

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM,  <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat ? ? Date ? ? ? Result
> A1 ? ? 01-01-11 ? ?15
> A1 ? ? 10-10-11 ? ? 7
> A1 ? ? 11-11-11 ? ? 6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what value there is for result
>
> Pat ? ? LastDate ? ? ? ? Result
> A1 ? ? 11-11-11 ? ? ? ? ? 6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com



From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 08:46:51 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:46:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V6miPMSW+poSnDyxm-5XyZkh7QBL7hkENQyJEwQvSqCoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
	<68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401ccc060$00acf4b0$0206de10$@net>
	<CAGuQ9V6miPMSW+poSnDyxm-5XyZkh7QBL7hkENQyJEwQvSqCoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007801ccc0b8$8b0e2fe0$a12a8fa0$@net>

> When it comes to love you never forget your first. But in the working
> world you never forget your worst, eh Mark?

I just love that quip Bill.




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 11:02:06 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:02:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5x+PH0u2K25quE7BLy2H+q-kt1hrXdJP8AAiNuOwOj_g@mail.gmail.com>

Ill go out on a limb and suppose that you really meant the Max date since
the sample data was in ascending date order.

Select tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result from Tbl1 where tbl1.date =(Select
Max(t2.Date) From Tbl1 as t2 Where t2.Pat = Tbl1.Pat)

That is "air code" I have not tested it.
On Dec 22, 2011 6:39 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:

>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat     Date       Result
> A1     01-01-11    15
> A1     10-10-11     7
> A1     11-11-11     6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> value there is for result
>
> Pat     LastDate         Result
> A1     11-11-11           6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 11:02:31 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:02:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>

Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
the original developer would use the Format function to round a large series
of individual values,
 and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
Ex: .55+.55=1.1
His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
Ex: .6+.6=1.2
In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !

And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
unit.

Wowzer indeed.





From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 11:13:33 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:13:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6yVM2jAeqL2d5CNS-ixKz-TvspQhNgHNmNCJtmzZgB5A@mail.gmail.com>

I am sure that they are losing so much money that most of their thinking
investors and auditors have abandoned and the fools who remain don't know
the difference between a balance sheet that adds up and one that doesn't.
On Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large
> series
> of individual values,
>  and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
> unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 11:17:27 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:17:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pKyxRbCn-0jUcbCFXHTcsEBjwa-wBaCFcU3ATbcgP1grQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<CAJ2R_pKyxRbCn-0jUcbCFXHTcsEBjwa-wBaCFcU3ATbcgP1grQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWbW8zDmgnpuTsww5FyfbqAcJ4a=5MeqE8yY18-1k=gA4w@mail.gmail.com>

SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
INNER JOIN (SELECT Max(tbl1.Date) AS MaxDate FROM tbl1) B
ON tbl1.Date = B.MaxDate
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;


The only thing to warn you about Pedro is if you have more than one record
with the same last date.

For instance.

A1 01/01/11 6
B1 01/01/11 5


Also "Date" is a bad name for a field name as it is a reserved word.

HTH
David McAfee


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 22 11:31:48 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:31:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
Message-ID: <4EF36984.3020502@colbyconsulting.com>

BACKUP the original!!!  You need to be able to prove that the old sucked and the new... sucks 
less... (you can only fix what you find).

Then you need to start a document of each thing like this that you find.  It will provide a huge 
evidence base for when you present the case for "your application sucks and this is why it takes so 
long to get it working".

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/22/2011 12:02 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large series
> of individual values,
>   and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
> unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.
>
>
>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 22 12:26:48 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:26:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <4EF36984.3020502@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net><000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
	<4EF36984.3020502@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EF37668.3010809@torchlake.com>

ABSOLUTELY!!!  John is right on!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/22/2011 12:31 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> BACKUP the original!!!  You need to be able to prove that the old 
> sucked and the new... sucks less... (you can only fix what you find).
>
> Then you need to start a document of each thing like this that you 
> find.  It will provide a huge evidence base for when you present the 
> case for "your application sucks and this is why it takes so long to 
> get it working".
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/22/2011 12:02 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
>> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large 
>> series
>> of individual values,
>>   and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
>> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
>> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
>> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
>> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
>> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>>
>> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main 
>> processing
>> unit.
>>
>> Wowzer indeed.
>>
>>
>>
>


From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Thu Dec 22 14:20:45 2011
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:20:45 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jdj66N4wOGrtPDNg2=Amm9fF9aGBDzHaTZW5Z9=++d4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<CAEPJO1jdj66N4wOGrtPDNg2=Amm9fF9aGBDzHaTZW5Z9=++d4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D2E51B0BCC74E53ACAC61349B56E280@stevelaptop>

Agreed.  Assuming you mean the most recent date, i.e. Max rather than Last, 
then Arthur's suggestion is how I would do it.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Last Date Query

I think what you want is this:

SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;

HTH,
Arthur

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:

>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat     Date       Result
> A1     01-01-11    15
> A1     10-10-11     7
> A1     11-11-11     6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> value there is for result
>
> Pat     LastDate         Result
> A1     11-11-11           6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec 22 14:42:41 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 06:42:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>,
	<000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
Message-ID: <4EF39641.28819.28A0B9E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It depends on the situation.

If you are rounding prices to the nearest 10c, accountants don't like accounts that show  :

Item 1  0.60
Item 2  0.60
============
Total   1.10

If you want the total to equal the sum of all of the line items, you need to round each item 
(using either ROUND() or FORMAT(). and sum the rounded result.   That is standard 
practice in accounting.

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Dec 2011 at 12:02, Mark Simms wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large series
> of individual values,
>  and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
> 
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
> unit.
> 
> Wowzer indeed.
> 
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 22 14:54:08 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:54:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <4EF39641.28819.28A0B9E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>,
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Message-ID: <4EF398F0.4030401@colbyconsulting.com>

It is also standard practice to use a datatype appropriate for currency.  That is why currency data 
types exist.  It is also standard practice in banking to round 1/2 of the numbers up and the other down.

But that is a discussion for another day.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/22/2011 3:42 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> It depends on the situation.
>
> If you are rounding prices to the nearest 10c, accountants don't like accounts that show  :
>
> Item 1  0.60
> Item 2  0.60
> ============
> Total   1.10
>
> If you want the total to equal the sum of all of the line items, you need to round each item
> (using either ROUND() or FORMAT(). and sum the rounded result.   That is standard
> practice in accounting.
>



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec 22 15:39:28 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 07:39:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <4EF398F0.4030401@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>,
	<4EF39641.28819.28A0B9E1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4EF398F0.4030401@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EF3A390.30457.28D4B5BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

How do you do that in Excel?   

ALL numbers in  Excel are stored as Doubles, you can only change the display - not the 
storage format.

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Dec 2011 at 15:54, jwcolby wrote:

> It is also standard practice to use a datatype appropriate for currency.  That is why currency data 
> types exist. 



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 15:49:26 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:49:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <9D2E51B0BCC74E53ACAC61349B56E280@stevelaptop>
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Since now two posts have been made since I offered my idea that what was
really wanted was Max.... and neither commented one way or another on my
query .... what was incorrect about how I did it?
On Dec 22, 2011 3:22 PM, "Steve Schapel" <steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz>
wrote:

> Agreed.  Assuming you mean the most recent date, i.e. Max rather than
> Last, then Arthur's suggestion is how I would do it.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Last Date Query
>
> I think what you want is this:
>
> SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;
>
> HTH,
> Arthur
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
>
>
>> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>>
>> Pat     Date       Result
>> A1     01-01-11    15
>> A1     10-10-11     7
>> A1     11-11-11     6
>>
>> When i use the query:
>>
>> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
>> FROM tbl1
>> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>>
>> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>>
>> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
>> value there is for result
>>
>> Pat     LastDate         Result
>> A1     11-11-11           6
>>
>>
>> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
>> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>>
>> Who can help me?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Pedro
>> --
>>
>
> --
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>


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 16:02:59 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 14:02:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4U1Ky5Nm=yn1wVhZ5+No244XsVvD9LMuOUjZm2qZsiTg@mail.gmail.com>
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Nothing, I think that would work, and would also return more than one
record as my suggestion would, if there were indeed more than one record on
that max date.

D

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:49 PM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> Since now two posts have been made since I offered my idea that what was
> really wanted was Max.... and neither commented one way or another on my
> query .... what was incorrect about how I did it?
> On Dec 22, 2011 3:22 PM, "Steve Schapel" <
> steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz>
> wrote:
>
> > Agreed.  Assuming you mean the most recent date, i.e. Max rather than
> > Last, then Arthur's suggestion is how I would do it.
> >
> > Regards
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:05 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Last Date Query
> >
> > I think what you want is this:
> >
> > SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> > FROM tbl1
> > ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;
> >
> > HTH,
> > Arthur
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
> >>
> >> Pat     Date       Result
> >> A1     01-01-11    15
> >> A1     10-10-11     7
> >> A1     11-11-11     6
> >>
> >> When i use the query:
> >>
> >> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> >> FROM tbl1
> >> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
> >>
> >> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
> >>
> >> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> >> value there is for result
> >>
> >> Pat     LastDate         Result
> >> A1     11-11-11           6
> >>
> >>
> >> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> >> Is has to been done with a subquery.
> >>
> >> Who can help me?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Pedro
> >> --
> >>
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 16:28:21 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:28:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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In my last role I saw a similar issue when one of the developers was trying to group data which contained decimals into the nearest whole number (up or down) to determine the band.  He was using the INT function which he didn't understand at all (from what I can tell).

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).  Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error.

That said, I am not perfect with these things either and have made plenty of similar errors over the years.  Guess it shows the importance of getting everything tested by a whole group of different (and skilled) folks.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 4:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

I am sure that they are losing so much money that most of their thinking investors and auditors have abandoned and the fools who remain don't know the difference between a balance sheet that adds up and one that doesn't.
On Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers, 
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large 
> series of individual values,  and then total-up the rounded results 
> instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main 
> processing unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.
>
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 16:59:47 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:59:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Thanks John - exactly. I hit them with it and they were shocked.
Keep in mind, I had to really push them to do this remediation....
they were dragging and kicking their feet.

>
> BACKUP the original!!!  You need to be able to prove that the old
> sucked and the new... sucks
> less... (you can only fix what you find).
>
> Then you need to start a document of each thing like this that you
> find.  It will provide a huge
> evidence base for when you present the case for "your application sucks
> and this is why it takes so
> long to get it working".
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting




From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 17:06:24 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:06:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Omigosh, this one is a great story for the EUSprig group...they track all
business-related spreadsheet disasters that have a financial consequence. So
let me get this straight, their scaling went like 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, etc ?
So that required a special rounding function....rounding to the nearest 0.5.
So 1.26 would go to 1.5, 1.75 would go to 2.0....correct ?

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk
matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be
regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were
returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a
risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).
Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk
profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error





From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 17:36:46 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:36:46 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Hi Mark,

They had four risk bands (1-4) with each band having a heavier weighting to compensate for the higher risk.  There were also four questions (the matching 4's with the questions and banding is a coincidence and not related at all - althought the 4 questions within each combobox is related to the risk banding scale).

In this instance it related to property insurance (mainly for fire risk) so the questions were about type of construction, roof,  interior and how old the wiring and plumbing was.  You get the idea. - it was fairly high level stuff.

The maths worked like this.  Each of the 4 questions had 4 possible responses.  The 4 responses were scaled from 1 to 4 depending on how risky they were.  The sum of the four responses were divided by 4 to give a risk band rating.  As the division can result in non-integers the value needed to be rounded up or down to the nearest whole to give the correct rating.

For example.  If the responses were
1
1
2
3
(Total of 7)
7/4 = 1.75

So this customer should be paying the rate from risk band 2.  However the code was doing this

INT(7/4) to make the integer which would always return a 1 regardless.  The only time you would ever get a 2 rating was if the result was > than 2 already.  So they were underquoting on their risk for many of their clients.  This was really bad for when high level rating 3 types were not being rated as 4 (some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3 would be returned).

Had a fun one at an oil company with rounding and zeros too.  Story for another day.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

Omigosh, this one is a great story for the EUSprig group...they track all business-related spreadsheet disasters that have a financial consequence. So let me get this straight, their scaling went like 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, etc ?
So that required a special rounding function....rounding to the nearest 0.5.
So 1.26 would go to 1.5, 1.75 would go to 2.0....correct ?

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).
Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error



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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 19:26:58 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:26:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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(some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3
would be returned).

A disasterous conclusion IMHO.




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 19:35:01 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:35:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Yes... Fully agree. They (the portfolio risk manager) were really unhappy as the business had already been written, the risk paid for by the client.  Nothing they could do except wait out the term of the agreement.

of course then it puts them in the situation next year when the client want to renew and the business manager now has to decline it.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 12:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

(some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3 would be returned).

A disasterous conclusion IMHO.


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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 20:56:51 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:56:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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I think when i used to prepare financial statements it was always an art to
get all the numbers to round correctly. I had a finance manager who was
awesome at it. Naturally formulas went both across and down and all the
numbers had the same precision as well as formatting. But the guy could
make little adjustments here and there and always get it to come out
perfectly. I'd spend hours and still never get things to balance.

Personally I would prefer if all numbers went on the sheet with all the
precision they merit,  without concern whether formatted numbers add up to
the foematted total. But I guess perception is reality and if the financial
statements look like they don't add up people question the processes that
underlie them.

Thing is, while you're doing year-end stuff you make changes all the time
to final numbers ... so you start the adjustment dance all over.

I dont mimd formatting but i feel rounding raw numbers and even
intermediate results evil and I hate it. Figures never lie but liars must
always figure.
On Dec 22, 2011 8:36 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Yes... Fully agree. They (the portfolio risk manager) were really unhappy
> as the business had already been written, the risk paid for by the client.
>  Nothing they could do except wait out the term of the agreement.
>
> of course then it puts them in the situation next year when the client
> want to renew and the business manager now has to decline it.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 12:27 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
>
> (some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3
> would be returned).
>
> A disasterous conclusion IMHO.
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 21:10:07 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:10:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V6sEo=P151utGYnr3UYXom5P9YjNReEZz0m6DnQu+-xwQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, rounding was the oil company problem as well.

In short the Aussie HO used to look after all the deliveries to all the piddly little Pacific Islands (right out to Guam etc).  A lot of these places would only want less than 500,000 BOE delivered each time the ship showed up.

Say Island X wanted 250,000 K of BOE this month.

In the Spreadsheet used to track all this stuff the girl would key in 250,000 BOE but the workbook was rounded to display millions of BOE as the minimum display (fair enough I guess as most places do use millions and millions of BOE).

Anyway, as expected the 250K would show as Zero in the workbook.  Of course whilst the data was in XL the reports would still calculate correctly as the underlying value was indeed 250K, even though it was displayed as zero.

But of course they used SAP for their accounting and control.  So what happened was the girl would print out her Spreadsheet, send it to another dept who would then (re)key the data into SAP.  Suddenly all those little oil deliveries were being entered as Zeros, not their real amounts.

BAM! Big problem as millions of BOE started to vanish from the system.

Easy enough to fix once I tracked down where the problem was (I ended up showing them how push the data from XL directly into SAP without all the printing, internal mail and rekeying business and also modded the format to show a different format if the zero value was not a true zero.

Rounding and formats.  Approach with some caution I say.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 1:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

I think when i used to prepare financial statements it was always an art to get all the numbers to round correctly. I had a finance manager who was awesome at it. Naturally formulas went both across and down and all the numbers had the same precision as well as formatting. But the guy could make little adjustments here and there and always get it to come out perfectly. I'd spend hours and still never get things to balance.

Personally I would prefer if all numbers went on the sheet with all the precision they merit,  without concern whether formatted numbers add up to the foematted total. But I guess perception is reality and if the financial statements look like they don't add up people question the processes that underlie them.

Thing is, while you're doing year-end stuff you make changes all the time to final numbers ... so you start the adjustment dance all over.

I dont mimd formatting but i feel rounding raw numbers and even intermediate results evil and I hate it. Figures never lie but liars must always figure.
On Dec 22, 2011 8:36 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Yes... Fully agree. They (the portfolio risk manager) were really 
> unhappy as the business had already been written, the risk paid for by the client.
>  Nothing they could do except wait out the term of the agreement.
>
> of course then it puts them in the situation next year when the client 
> want to renew and the business manager now has to decline it.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 12:27 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
>
> (some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as 
> a 3 would be returned).
>
> A disasterous conclusion IMHO.
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 02:18:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:18:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
Message-ID: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>

I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application and the file(s) that make 
it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The recordset opened then 
defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute, and then opens that app.

It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and running and CopyAndExecute 
closes.

Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 23 04:01:31 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:01:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk>

Hi Darryl et al

Sorry to destroy the party, but all it takes is well defined criteria (business rules) - which seems to have been present here and trivial too - as well as a skilled programmer in this area - no guru or genius is required. If you deal with calculations and feel you can't handle rounding properly, you should put this item on the agenda to fill one of the empty(!) spaces in the upcoming Christmas holiday season. It isn't difficult at all.

Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function Round is not the answer to any serious task:

http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/c_Round.htm#Round16

And don't forget: Math is fun!

/gustav


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 22-12-2011 23:28 >>>
In my last role I saw a similar issue when one of the developers was trying to group data which contained decimals into the nearest whole number (up or down) to determine the band.  He was using the INT function which he didn't understand at all (from what I can tell).

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).  Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error.

That said, I am not perfect with these things either and have made plenty of similar errors over the years.  Guess it shows the importance of getting everything tested by a whole group of different (and skilled) folks.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 4:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

I am sure that they are losing so much money that most of their thinking investors and auditors have abandoned and the fools who remain don't know the difference between a balance sheet that adds up and one that doesn't.
On Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers, 
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large 
> series of individual values,  and then total-up the rounded results 
> instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main 
> processing unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.




From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Dec 23 13:01:41 2011
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:01:41 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
Message-ID: <201112231201.pBNC1fGY024467@mailhostC.plex.net>

Dear group,

thanks for all the help.
I have tried all the suggestions.
Also i have added some records to the test-table, to exclude double dates etc.

Here is the test table:

Pat             Date                 Result
A1              1-1-20111            5
A1             10-10-2011            7
A1             11-11-2011            8
A1             11-11-2011            6
B2               4-4-2011            6
B2               5-5-2011            3
B2               1-1-2011           15
B2               1-1-2011            4
B2               5-5-2011            5
B2               5-5-2011            1

The result shout be: 

Pat           LastDate           Result
A1            11-11-2011          8
B2             5-5-2011           5



Here are the result given by the groupmembers, with the result en at last the correct solution.
 

1--------------



SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, Last(tbl1.Result) AS LastResult
FROM tbl1
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat;

Pat              LastDate            LastResult
A1               11-11-2011          6
B2                5-5-2011           1



2---------------  



SELECT tbl1.Pat, Max(tbl1.Date) AS MaxDate, Max(tbl1.Result) AS MaxResult
FROM tbl1
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat;

Pat                MaxDate             MaxResult
A1                 11-11-2011          8
B2                   5-5-2011          6
 


3---------------



SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1 
INNER JOIN (SELECT Max(tbl1.Date) AS MaxDate FROM tbl1)  B ON tbl1.Date=B.MaxDate
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;

Pat               LastDate              Result
A1                 11-11-2011           6
A1                 11-11-2011           8



4-------------



SELECT Tbl1.Pat, Tbl1.Date, Tbl1.Result
FROM Tbl1
WHERE (((Tbl1.Date)=(Select Max(t2.Date) From Tbl1 as t2 Where t2.Pat = Tbl1.Pat)));


Pat          Date                Result
A1           11-11-2011          8
A1           11-11-2011          6
B2            5-5-2011           3
B2            5-5-2011           5
B2            5-5-2011           1

This solution from Wiliam gives me the all the results with the last date.


These i can easily query by:

SELECT Query5.Pat, Query5.Date, Max(Query5.Result) AS MaxVanResult
FROM Query5
GROUP BY Query5.Pat, Query5.Date;

Pat           Date               MaxVanResult
A1            11-11-2011          8
B2              5-5-2011          5


Thanks en best wishes

Pedro


p.s.  David, normally i never use "date" as a fieldname. I was just for this example.




From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec 23 07:27:39 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:27:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>

Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?

> Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> Round is not the answer to any serious task:
>
>
> /gustav




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 09:34:48 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:34:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
Message-ID: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>

I am beginning the long hard task of migrating a client from Access data stores (many many) to SQL 
Server.  This is my client, the data is mostly mine etc.  The client is on board that we do this and 
in fact is investing in the server, OS and SQL Server software to do this.

My problem is that while I have used SQL Server a ton over the last few years it has not been in the 
normal parent / child / grandchild, enforce referential integrity, enforce uniqueness and all that 
jazz.  So I need to learn some stuff like how to enforce unique values in a column.

I also need to discover how to migrate data from Access to SQL Server.  The data migration wizard in 
SQL Server is actually quite good however AFAICT it does not pull relationships in, in fact it does 
not even capture the fact that the PK is an autonumber and PK.  It also seems to default to nvarchar 
whereas I prefer varchar.

Thus importing data using that wizard does work but it is pretty labor intensive fixing up the 
identity and setting the PK to a PK, editing mappings and so forth.

I would like to start a thread on this aspect of moving to SQL Server.  What has been your 
experience in this data migration, what tools have you used, what gotchas have you run into etc.

Thanks,

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec 23 10:05:04 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:05:04 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?My_Excel_project=2E=2E=2Eyou_won=27t_believe_?=
 =?utf-8?q?this_one?=
In-Reply-To: <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
Message-ID: <E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>

Hi Mark, Gustav at all --

> Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
They didn't.

> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
Yes, the do.

 Access 2010:

?round(2.5)
 2 
?format(2.5, "0")
3

Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:

http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html

or even earlier...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> 
> > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> >
> >
> > /gustav
> 
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Dec 23 10:05:07 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:05:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

John,

I've done like you describe with just importing the tables, doing all
the fixing up of the tables, relationships, etc... afterwards.  Not fun,
especially with lots of tables, but that was back on Access 97 and SQL
2000.

Have you looked that the SQL Server Migration Assistant (SSMA) at
Microsoft?

http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
x#Access


Here's an old article (July 2003) from Susan Harkins about using the
Upsizing Wizard in Access 2003, probably outdated for newer versions of
SQL Server

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/upsizing-an-existing-microsoft-acces
s-database/5035130


HTH

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

I am beginning the long hard task of migrating a client from Access data
stores (many many) to SQL Server.  This is my client, the data is mostly
mine etc.  The client is on board that we do this and in fact is
investing in the server, OS and SQL Server software to do this.

My problem is that while I have used SQL Server a ton over the last few
years it has not been in the normal parent / child / grandchild, enforce
referential integrity, enforce uniqueness and all that jazz.  So I need
to learn some stuff like how to enforce unique values in a column.

I also need to discover how to migrate data from Access to SQL Server.
The data migration wizard in SQL Server is actually quite good however
AFAICT it does not pull relationships in, in fact it does not even
capture the fact that the PK is an autonumber and PK.  It also seems to
default to nvarchar whereas I prefer varchar.

Thus importing data using that wizard does work but it is pretty labor
intensive fixing up the identity and setting the PK to a PK, editing
mappings and so forth.

I would like to start a thread on this aspect of moving to SQL Server.
What has been your experience in this data migration, what tools have
you used, what gotchas have you run into etc.

Thanks,

--
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 10:26:51 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:26:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>

The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is ... a document on how 
to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that do this.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> x#Access



From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Dec 23 10:42:17 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:42:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A442@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Looks like the end of the link got wrapped to the next line.  The
x#Access should be at the end of the url.  I was just there so I know it
still exists :-)  

I just googled Microsoft SSMA and the top listing was Free Microsoft SQL
Server Database Migration Assistant.  Once you go there you can click on
the Migration Tool tab.

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's
left is ... a document on how to and links to companies (Microsoft
partners?) that do this.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>
http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> x#Access

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From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Dec 23 10:47:40 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:47:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <015601ccc192$959333e0$c0b99ba0$@comcast.net>

Hi John,

Honestly, I've used SSMA for Access and it was a little funky.  I recently
just used the upsizing wizard in Access and that went fine with one strong
caveat.  I purchased an app named Must for upsizing, and it's better than
using the upsizing wizard in Access - for me it pinpointed a bad date in a
date field which prevented upsizing in Access.  Must does have a little
learning curve so go through that for an hour or so and you'll like it.

You should upsize Indexes, Validation Rules, Defaults, but do not upsize
relationships between tables.  This will give you Triggers and Constraints
which will be intended to duplicate the functionality of a relationship.
That works, but in Diagrams on SQL Server you can create any number of
different table relationship diagrams.  But when you create the diagrams,
you've now duplicated the table relationship functionality with the upsized
Triggers and Constraints.  SQL Server has good screens for creating both
indexes and table relationships, and you should use those.

Also, do add timestamp fields - these will allow 'edited record'
functionality to work in SQL Server.

HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is
... a document on how to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that
do this.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> x#Access

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From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Dec 23 10:52:01 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:52:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A442@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A442@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <015a01ccc193$318c66e0$94a534a0$@comcast.net>

And - after you click on the Migration Tool tab you have to select 'Access'
from the dropdown list under the 'migrating from' square.  Otherwise it just
looks like SSMA is only for Oracle to SQL Server.

Maybe today's version is better than the one I used.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

Looks like the end of the link got wrapped to the next line.  The x#Access
should be at the end of the url.  I was just there so I know it still exists
:-)  

I just googled Microsoft SSMA and the top listing was Free Microsoft SQL
Server Database Migration Assistant.  Once you go there you can click on the
Migration Tool tab.

Rusty




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 10:54:44 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:54:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <015601ccc192$959333e0$c0b99ba0$@comcast.net>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
	<015601ccc192$959333e0$c0b99ba0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EF4B254.2030901@colbyconsulting.com>

Must looks pretty cheap.  I might give that a try.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:47 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Honestly, I've used SSMA for Access and it was a little funky.  I recently
> just used the upsizing wizard in Access and that went fine with one strong
> caveat.  I purchased an app named Must for upsizing, and it's better than
> using the upsizing wizard in Access - for me it pinpointed a bad date in a
> date field which prevented upsizing in Access.  Must does have a little
> learning curve so go through that for an hour or so and you'll like it.
>
> You should upsize Indexes, Validation Rules, Defaults, but do not upsize
> relationships between tables.  This will give you Triggers and Constraints
> which will be intended to duplicate the functionality of a relationship.
> That works, but in Diagrams on SQL Server you can create any number of
> different table relationship diagrams.  But when you create the diagrams,
> you've now duplicated the table relationship functionality with the upsized
> Triggers and Constraints.  SQL Server has good screens for creating both
> indexes and table relationships, and you should use those.
>
> Also, do add timestamp fields - these will allow 'edited record'
> functionality to work in SQL Server.
>
> HTH,
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:27 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
>
> The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is
> ... a document on how to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that
> do this.
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
>> x#Access
>



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Dec 23 12:51:49 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:51:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4B6F63DA6C5C4180A0185048B6E2593A@XPS>

John,

 For some great tips on using Access with SQL Server, download "Best of both
worlds" from here:

http://www.jstreettech.com/cartgenie/pg_developerDownloads.asp


 Also not sure if it was you or someone else that posted a MSKB/MSDN link
that had tons on the deep internals of how Access uses a unique key with
table linking and how you could control it in Access.  I'll have to dig for
that one.

  I know it was posted to the list at one point (pretty sure I posted the
above link as well in the past, but it's worth a re-post).

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

I am beginning the long hard task of migrating a client from Access data
stores (many many) to SQL 
Server.  This is my client, the data is mostly mine etc.  The client is on
board that we do this and 
in fact is investing in the server, OS and SQL Server software to do this.

My problem is that while I have used SQL Server a ton over the last few
years it has not been in the 
normal parent / child / grandchild, enforce referential integrity, enforce
uniqueness and all that 
jazz.  So I need to learn some stuff like how to enforce unique values in a
column.

I also need to discover how to migrate data from Access to SQL Server.  The
data migration wizard in 
SQL Server is actually quite good however AFAICT it does not pull
relationships in, in fact it does 
not even capture the fact that the PK is an autonumber and PK.  It also
seems to default to nvarchar 
whereas I prefer varchar.

Thus importing data using that wizard does work but it is pretty labor
intensive fixing up the 
identity and setting the PK to a PK, editing mappings and so forth.

I would like to start a thread on this aspect of moving to SQL Server.  What
has been your 
experience in this data migration, what tools have you used, what gotchas
have you run into etc.

Thanks,

-- 
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Colby Consulting

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 14:31:21 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:31:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
Message-ID: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>

I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a string in another text box. 
  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access is a constant directory 
location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.

However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update) so the string I am 
building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the 
'\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this 
behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.

Any thoughts?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From guss at beechnutconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 14:46:15 2011
From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:46:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00a101ccc1b3$ea35e890$bea1b9b0$@beechnutconsulting.com>

John,

I usually accomplish this by using the AfterUpdate event.  If the entry is
bound to a field then you may want to do validation testing on the entry
(such as "is it null?", etc) in the before update event.  Once validated,
the after update event can populate the derived value into txtB.


Sincerely yours,
 
Guss Ginsburg
Beechnut Consulting Services



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 2:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null

I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
string in another text box. 
  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access
is a constant directory location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' &
txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.

However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update)
so the string I am building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being
inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the '\'.  I thought I was going to use
txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this behavior and
don't quite know how to work around it.

Any thoughts?

--
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Colby Consulting

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Dec 23 14:58:49 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:58:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <63C61366D5D745588E069510909C22B9@XPS>


 Until the control is updated, you need to grab the value in the buffer with
the .Text property.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 03:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null

I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
string in another text box. 
  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access
is a constant directory 
location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.

However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update)
so the string I am 
building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the
'C:\Access\' and the 
'\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never
really knew about this 
behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.

Any thoughts?

-- 
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Colby Consulting

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when you do not believe in it

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec 23 15:00:09 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:00:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Try this:

Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
    txtB = "C:\Access\" & txtA.Text & IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
End Sub

-- 
Stuart

On 23 Dec 2011 at 15:31, jwcolby wrote:

> I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a string in another text box. 
>   IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access is a constant directory 
> location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.
> 
> However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update) so the string I am 
> building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the 
> '\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this 
> behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec 23 15:04:31 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 01:04:31 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Migrate_to_SQL_Server?=
In-Reply-To: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E1ReCI3-00044z-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f250.mail.ru>

Hi John at all --

> The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  
It didn't.

I have just used MS Access 2010 and its Database Tools -> SQL Server feature to get upsized my customer model MS Access database into MS SQL Server 2008 R2 database.
All worked flawlessly: 

- autonumbers went upsized into identity fields,
- relationships - into DRI (option to be selected in upsizing setup dialog),
....

Here is screenshot of relationships diagrams, the one for MS SQL was built  and arranged automatically after I have added all the tables to a new empty MS SQL Database Diagram:

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/fm.png

Thank you.

-- Shamil



23 ??????? 2011, 20:29 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is ... a document on how
> to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that do this.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> > x#Access
> 
> --> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 15:45:38 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:45:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8987n_OPMCj6mE__DqsJ4EnQoBDBr0Ukm6+WBESQB46Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure value will work the way you want it to, but you might try
using the beforeupdate of the first textbox to write the text in the box
(not the value) to the second textbox.  I may be confusing VB.Net and VBA,
so don't take my advice as gospel.

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
> string in another text box.  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to
> 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access is a constant directory location and I am
> inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.
>
> However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after
> update) so the string I am building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null
> is being inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the '\'.  I thought I was
> going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this
> behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 15:52:46 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:52:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <63C61366D5D745588E069510909C22B9@XPS>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
	<63C61366D5D745588E069510909C22B9@XPS>
Message-ID: <4EF4F82E.8010903@colbyconsulting.com>

OK, thanks.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 3:58 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   Until the control is updated, you need to grab the value in the buffer with
> the .Text property.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 03:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
>
> I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
> string in another text box.
>    IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access
> is a constant directory
> location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\'&  txtA.Value&  '\' into txtB.
>
> However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update)
> so the string I am
> building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the
> 'C:\Access\' and the
> '\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never
> really knew about this
> behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 21:42:48 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:42:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
	<E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>

Ok good article ... seems to have been written before ac2010 but I am
certainly willing to believe that VBA does no better job of these things
than it ever did. THAT SAID... my hope (and trust) is that the Excel
interface and its functions would do a better job with calculations.
Wherever possible I try to use the worksheet to do as much work as
possible. Is that a mistake? I would hate to think I really need to be
adding such tedious Udfs to formulas just to get accurate results

??
On Dec 23, 2011 11:06 AM, "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Mark, Gustav at all --
>
> > Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
> They didn't.
>
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
> Yes, the do.
>
>  Access 2010:
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html
>
> or even earlier...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> 23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> > Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> >
> > > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> > >
> > >
> > > /gustav
> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 23:45:51 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 00:45:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Further to libraries
Message-ID: <4EF5670F.2050505@colbyconsulting.com>

Libraries solve a problem of making fixes and enhancements in one location.  They create another 
problem which is having to test all the applications that use the library to ensure that they all 
work with the libs before releasing the libs for general use.

The reality is that software is so complex that a problem may be found even after "the tests" which 
may mean backing out the lib (or the app).  One way of dealing with that is to have a directory with 
all of the files required to run the app including the libs.  When any of the required files is 
updated, zip up all of the files and replace whatever files.  If a problem is found down the road, 
unzip all of the files to be back at the previous state.


-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 01:29:03 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 02:29:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5dh4t3MKkG+ghKEG3D1VGAR2F_Mu91YNdPd5YzLf_ThQ@mail.gmail.com>

I guess even the brief time the application is visible between

SET MYACCESS = NEW ACCESS.APPLICATION
MYACCESS.VISIBLE = FALSE

is not acceptable?
On Dec 23, 2011 3:21 AM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
> and the file(s) that make it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.
>  A shortcut opens the access CopyAndExecute.mdb and passes in a command
> line argument which is looked up in a table.  The recordset opened then
> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
> and then opens that app.
>
> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
> invisible.  ATM it opens as a normal Access application which can be seen
> until the target FE is up and running and CopyAndExecute closes.
>
> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 24 03:46:04 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:46:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You need two steps:

1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec macro:
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const SW_HIDE = 0
Const SW_NORMAL = 1
Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3

Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
  (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long

Function Startup() As Long
   Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
End Function

By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that flash, create a shortcut 
to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open your application via 
the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.

-- 
Stuart


On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:

> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application and the file(s) that make 
> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The recordset opened then 
> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute, and then opens that app.
> 
> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and running and CopyAndExecute 
> closes.
> 
> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 





From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 06:39:55 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:39:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>

But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
original plan?? 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access

You need two steps:

1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
macro:
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const SW_HIDE = 0
Const SW_NORMAL = 1
Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3

Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
  (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long

Function Startup() As Long
   Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
End Function

By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
flash, create a shortcut 
to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
your application via 
the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.

-- 
Stuart


On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:

> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
and the file(s) that make 
> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
recordset opened then 
> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
and then opens that app.
> 
> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
running and CopyAndExecute 
> closes.
> 
> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 24 09:31:24 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:31:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef5fe68.016@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Round is and has always been buggy. It is not the same as it will never fit a purpose but for serious use it is not reliable.

>From that site (from the link) you can run the test for any custom rounding function. As noted - and (still) to the surprise for many - the only function of VB(A) and Access Basic (version 2.0) too - that performs correct 4/5 rounding is Format. All the Cxxx converter functions perform Banker's Rounding which is not "wrong", just not "clean" 4/5 rounding as you learned in school.

/gustav

>>> marksimms at verizon.net 23-12-2011 14:27 >>>
Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?

> Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> Round is not the answer to any serious task:
>
>
> /gustav





From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 24 09:35:46 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:35:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef5ff77.017@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Well, that article is more about the normal precautions to take when dealing with floating point numbers more than rounding issues.

It is with rounding as with many other tasks that many methods exist and no one is wrong. It all depends.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 23-12-2011 17:05 >>>
Hi Mark, Gustav at all --

> Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
They didn't.

> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
Yes, the do.

 Access 2010:

?round(2.5)
 2 
?format(2.5, "0")
3

Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:

http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html 

or even earlier...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> 
> > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> >
> >
> > /gustav





From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 24 09:40:42 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:40:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>

Hi all

On this evening - Merry Christmas to all after another year with a lot of learning experiences and input at this list (and its sister lists) which still stands out from all the other fora you and I join.
Thanks to all!

/gustav




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 09:39:13 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:39:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <sef5ff77.017@cactus.dk>
References: <sef5ff77.017@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6G2MJz=WeiVnJR91wSgN-WPvfBo-8yMgbQQw6UiuJ8Bg@mail.gmail.com>

I disagree Gustav (and I don't like to disagree with you! Especially at
Christmas time :)

Any time you cannot guarantee a reliable result by your methods.... and are
not knowledgable or willing to inform your users under what conditions they
can expect results to be proper or improper...  that is wrong.
On Dec 24, 2011 10:31 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
>
> Well, that article is more about the normal precautions to take when
> dealing with floating point numbers more than rounding issues.
>
> It is with rounding as with many other tasks that many methods exist and
> no one is wrong. It all depends.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 23-12-2011 17:05 >>>
> Hi Mark, Gustav at all --
>
> > Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
> They didn't.
>
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
> Yes, the do.
>
>  Access 2010:
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html
>
> or even earlier...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> 23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> > Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> >
> > > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> > >
> > >
> > > /gustav
>
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 11:43:59 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:43:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
 further review
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
References: <AcymxEmh2e+IvRDbRUSouWM2nZ+akwAAD3dw>
	<BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am missing the original message where this EIasT.mdb was described /
offered. Reading this message leaves me curious.  May I ask someone to send
me this link offlist?
On Nov 19, 2011 9:13 AM, "Jack and Pat" <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Dan,
>
>
>
> Further to my (off list) note from late last night, I did a little more
> review. I opened the EIasT.mdb with a breakpoint to allow stepping thru the
> code. In the problem data base, the queries and forms - up to the problem
> form - are all exported as text as expected. After the error, the code
> stops
> on a STOP statement, as it should. If I step through, it continues with the
> next procedure in code and does Import the text that was previously
> exported.
>
>
>
> It seems I have a corrupted Form and that its source can not be retrieved.
> I
> did not find any resolution to the "there isn't enough memory to perform
> this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation again". Seems
> the consensus is to rebuild the form involved.
>
>
>
> So from an EIasT view, I did use the utility against another database and
> all was well. It did build a directory and saved all queries, forms,
> reports
> and nodules (I don't have any macros), It did import all the text. It does
> Compact and Repair. And the database , original and rebuilt are available.
> Good stuuf.
>
>
>
> I'm impressed with your code. No wasted code; very concise. I especially
> like the line numbers in the vba. I take it that is based on your use of
> FMC
> utilities. The progress bars are a nice feature - seems there are lots of
> people trying to build these based on forums I've seen.
>
>
>
> Again, thanks for responding quickly, and thanks for the EIasT code.
> Perhaps it should be made available at databaseadvisors as a utility.
>
>
>
> Jack
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Dec 24 11:58:38 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 11:58:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
	further review
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AcymxEmh2e+IvRDbRUSouWM2nZ+akwAAD3dw>	<BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
	<CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501ccc265$a9f78c40$fde6a4c0$@comcast.net>

Hi William,

I have a version of this that I made for myself.  It works on all objects
except tables.

I can email a copy to you offline if you'd like.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
further review

I am missing the original message where this EIasT.mdb was described /
offered. Reading this message leaves me curious.  May I ask someone to send
me this link offlist?
On Nov 19, 2011 9:13 AM, "Jack and Pat" <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Dan,
>
>
>
> Further to my (off list) note from late last night, I did a little 
> more review. I opened the EIasT.mdb with a breakpoint to allow 
> stepping thru the code. In the problem data base, the queries and 
> forms - up to the problem form - are all exported as text as expected. 
> After the error, the code stops on a STOP statement, as it should. If 
> I step through, it continues with the next procedure in code and does 
> Import the text that was previously exported.
>
>
>
> It seems I have a corrupted Form and that its source can not be retrieved.
> I
> did not find any resolution to the "there isn't enough memory to 
> perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation 
> again". Seems the consensus is to rebuild the form involved.
>
>
>
> So from an EIasT view, I did use the utility against another database 
> and all was well. It did build a directory and saved all queries, 
> forms, reports and nodules (I don't have any macros), It did import 
> all the text. It does Compact and Repair. And the database , original 
> and rebuilt are available.
> Good stuuf.
>
>
>
> I'm impressed with your code. No wasted code; very concise. I 
> especially like the line numbers in the vba. I take it that is based 
> on your use of FMC utilities. The progress bars are a nice feature - 
> seems there are lots of people trying to build these based on forums 
> I've seen.
>
>
>
> Again, thanks for responding quickly, and thanks for the EIasT code.
> Perhaps it should be made available at databaseadvisors as a utility.
>
>
>
> Jack
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
--
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 12:01:18 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 13:01:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
 further review
In-Reply-To: <001501ccc265$a9f78c40$fde6a4c0$@comcast.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
	<CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<001501ccc265$a9f78c40$fde6a4c0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6T5B=Pwq5Zk1ScAK8GiCA0FwBcmRqYf_2+pTuz-dp3oQ@mail.gmail.com>

For sure! THANKS IN ADVANCE.
On Dec 24, 2011 1:00 PM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi William,
>
> I have a version of this that I made for myself.  It works on all objects
> except tables.
>
> I can email a copy to you offline if you'd like.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
> further review
>
> I am missing the original message where this EIasT.mdb was described /
> offered. Reading this message leaves me curious.  May I ask someone to send
> me this link offlist?
> On Nov 19, 2011 9:13 AM, "Jack and Pat" <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > Dan,
> >
> >
> >
> > Further to my (off list) note from late last night, I did a little
> > more review. I opened the EIasT.mdb with a breakpoint to allow
> > stepping thru the code. In the problem data base, the queries and
> > forms - up to the problem form - are all exported as text as expected.
> > After the error, the code stops on a STOP statement, as it should. If
> > I step through, it continues with the next procedure in code and does
> > Import the text that was previously exported.
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems I have a corrupted Form and that its source can not be
> retrieved.
> > I
> > did not find any resolution to the "there isn't enough memory to
> > perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation
> > again". Seems the consensus is to rebuild the form involved.
> >
> >
> >
> > So from an EIasT view, I did use the utility against another database
> > and all was well. It did build a directory and saved all queries,
> > forms, reports and nodules (I don't have any macros), It did import
> > all the text. It does Compact and Repair. And the database , original
> > and rebuilt are available.
> > Good stuuf.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm impressed with your code. No wasted code; very concise. I
> > especially like the line numbers in the vba. I take it that is based
> > on your use of FMC utilities. The progress bars are a nice feature -
> > seems there are lots of people trying to build these based on forums
> > I've seen.
> >
> >
> >
> > Again, thanks for responding quickly, and thanks for the EIasT code.
> > Perhaps it should be made available at databaseadvisors as a utility.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Dec 24 13:53:02 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:53:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
	<E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
	<CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004801ccc275$a5cbc9a0$f1635ce0$@net>

Thanks to all who responded...fascinating story of a software behemoth that 
just doesn't care.
I don't want to hear the BS that they couldn't fix it because it would 
something.
Total BS. Just an excuse not to fix.
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html




From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 24 14:10:45 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:10:45 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>
References: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <24A6411E-585B-4848-86BB-415F617B3AD6@phulse.com>


Glaedelig jul og godt tub'aar. ;)

- Hans



On 2011-12-24, at 7:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> On this evening - Merry Christmas to all after another year with a lot of learning experiences and input at this list (and its sister lists) which still stands out from all the other fora you and I join.
> Thanks to all!
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 24 14:45:22 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 06:45:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and not have the 
CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.


On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
> original plan?? 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
> 
> You need two steps:
> 
> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
> macro:
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> Const SW_HIDE = 0
> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
> 
> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>   (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
> 
> Function Startup() As Long
>    Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
> End Function
> 
> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
> flash, create a shortcut 
> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
> your application via 
> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
> 
> > I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
> and the file(s) that make 
> > it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
> access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
> > and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
> recordset opened then 
> > defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
> and then opens that app.
> > 
> > It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
> invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
> > normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
> running and CopyAndExecute 
> > closes.
> > 
> > Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
> > 
> > -- 
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > 
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> > 
> > -- 
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 24 15:30:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:30:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EF64473.3000305@colbyconsulting.com>

Right you are Stuart.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and not have the
> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>
>
> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>
>> But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
>> original plan??
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>
>> You need two steps:
>>
>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>> macro:
>> Option Compare Database
>> Option Explicit
>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>
>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>    (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>
>> Function Startup() As Long
>>     Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>> End Function
>>
>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
>> flash, create a shortcut
>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
>> your application via
>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>>> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
>> and the file(s) that make
>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
>> recordset opened then
>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
>> and then opens that app.
>>>
>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>> closes.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 24 15:41:53 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:41:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>

That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to false and then set the Run 
Minimized attribute and I never even see the CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens 
to say "be patient" and off we go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and not have the
> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>
>
> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>
>> But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
>> original plan??
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>
>> You need two steps:
>>
>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>> macro:
>> Option Compare Database
>> Option Explicit
>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>
>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>    (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>
>> Function Startup() As Long
>>     Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>> End Function
>>
>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
>> flash, create a shortcut
>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
>> your application via
>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>>> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
>> and the file(s) that make
>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
>> recordset opened then
>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
>> and then opens that app.
>>>
>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>> closes.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 15:49:37 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:49:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>

I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
vba?

TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
> and off we go.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>
>> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and
>> not have the
>> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>>
>>
>> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>>
>>  But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was
>>> the
>>> original plan??
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>>
>>> You need two steps:
>>>
>>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>>> macro:
>>> Option Compare Database
>>> Option Explicit
>>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>>
>>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>>   (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>>
>>> Function Startup() As Long
>>>    Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>>> End Function
>>>
>>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
>>> flash, create a shortcut
>>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
>>> your application via
>>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>>
>>>  I have written a small app that allows me to define an access
>>>> application
>>>>
>>> and the file(s) that make
>>>
>>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>>>>
>>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>>
>>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.
>>>>  The
>>>>
>>> recordset opened then
>>>
>>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to
>>>> execute,
>>>>
>>> and then opens that app.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>>>>
>>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>>
>>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up
>>>> and
>>>>
>>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>>
>>>> closes.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 15:58:44 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:58:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7O-djKTfaZw3b_-VU3jPkeUTWavEjM+AM4HREK4gqgRA@mail.gmail.com>

I guess  I am connecting the wrong dots... when john said "I have written a
small app that allows.... I thought his app calls something else via a
shortcut. He wrote "A shortcut opens the copyandexecute.mdb..." so i
thought this was the first thing his app did. I didnt realize he meant "I
use a shortcut to launch my app which is named CopyandExecute.mdb"

MY FAULT.pay me no mind.
On Dec 24, 2011 4:49 PM, "William Benson" <vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
> vba?
>
> TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
> On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>> That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
>> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
>> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
>> and off we go.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>>
>>> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and
>>> not have the
>>> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>>>
>>>  But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was
>>>> the
>>>> original plan??
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>>>
>>>> You need two steps:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>>>> macro:
>>>> Option Compare Database
>>>> Option Explicit
>>>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>>>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>>>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>>>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>>>
>>>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>>>   (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>>>
>>>> Function Startup() As Long
>>>>    Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>>>> End Function
>>>>
>>>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of
>>>> that
>>>> flash, create a shortcut
>>>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.
>>>>  Open
>>>> your application via
>>>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I have written a small app that allows me to define an access
>>>>> application
>>>>>
>>>> and the file(s) that make
>>>>
>>>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>>>>>
>>>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>>>
>>>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.
>>>>>  The
>>>>>
>>>> recordset opened then
>>>>
>>>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to
>>>>> execute,
>>>>>
>>>> and then opens that app.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>>>>>
>>>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>>>
>>>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>>>
>>>>> closes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
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>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Dec 24 17:26:50 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:26:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Merry Christmas AccessD Members !
In-Reply-To: <004801ccc275$a5cbc9a0$f1635ce0$@net>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
	<E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
	<CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<004801ccc275$a5cbc9a0$f1635ce0$@net>
Message-ID: <000c01ccc293$83bd8b00$8b38a100$@net>

Correction in CAPS:
I don't want to hear the BS that they couldn't fix it because it would BREAK
something.

Merry Christmas AccessD members !





From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Dec 25 05:24:40 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 12:24:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef71629.019@cactus.dk>

Hi William

We can't disagree on that. I work mostly with accounting systems and routines related to that where correct and predictable rounding is a high priority area.

The issue is that all the Cxx converter functions and Round too perform Banker's Rounding. This is not wrong, only different from what most people expect because very little is told about it. The Int and Fix functions work correctly too and also much more as people expect them to do. What is missing is a function that clearly and correctly performs a true 4/5 rounding as we learned in school, and very few expect the "secret" Format to be that only function which does that.

What messes up the picture further, is that Round is buggy as the test function from the link I posted shows.

/gustav


>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 24-12-2011 16:39 >>>
I disagree Gustav (and I don't like to disagree with you! Especially at
Christmas time :)

Any time you cannot guarantee a reliable result by your methods.... and are
not knowledgable or willing to inform your users under what conditions they
can expect results to be proper or improper...  that is wrong.
On Dec 24, 2011 10:31 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
>
> Well, that article is more about the normal precautions to take when
> dealing with floating point numbers more than rounding issues.
>
> It is with rounding as with many other tasks that many methods exist and
> no one is wrong. It all depends.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 23-12-2011 17:05 >>>
> Hi Mark, Gustav at all --
>
> > Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
> They didn't.
>
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
> Yes, the do.
>
>  Access 2010:
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html 
>
> or even earlier...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec 25 08:44:10 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 09:44:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF736BA.1070505@colbyconsulting.com>

William,

What I am trying to do is have a shortcut open a program and keep it invisible.  That program copies 
a bunch of files, then opens a second program, whereupon the first program shuts down.

The shortcut properties invisible / minimized cause the first program to never appear.  The first 
program puts up a "working, be patient" splash screen while it is opening the second program.

Stuart's suggestion was to use the invisible / minimized properties of the shortcut to cause the 
first program to not ever even be visible, which is what I was after.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/24/2011 4:49 PM, William Benson wrote:
> I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
> vba?
>
> TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
> On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
>> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
>> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
>> and off we go.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 12:10:44 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 10:10:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
Message-ID: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
 
 
 


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 16:10:43 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:10:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 16:45:20 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 14:45:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65B284E7EE1C4E56B7897C75635B070C@HAL9007>

William:

*** In line.  Thanks

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
*** Yes

Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
*** No - back end

Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
*** Tried that but no - same behavior

Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?
*** YES!!! SO now the old binary search to find out which it the offending
module, I guess.

Merry Christmas.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec 25 16:50:06 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 08:50:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It sounds like it is going into a loop because you are trying to do another save during a save.

What happens if you  get rid of the OnDirty event and  change the  Save button event to:

If Me.Dirty Then Me.Dirty = False

-- 
Stuart


On 25 Dec 2011 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 17:24:21 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 15:24:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <F68642AB9CD74DB8A12F234735387FB0@HAL9007>

No luck there.  Actually it was behaving badly before I put the save and on
dirty events in.  Gotta start deleting code and see what fixes it.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

It sounds like it is going into a loop because you are trying to do another
save during a save.

What happens if you  get rid of the OnDirty event and  change the  Save
button event to:

If Me.Dirty Then Me.Dirty = False

--
Stuart


On 25 Dec 2011 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The
form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form
seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves
the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go
to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this
record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this
machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the
same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an
undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 17:42:04 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 18:42:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F68642AB9CD74DB8A12F234735387FB0@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>	<4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<F68642AB9CD74DB8A12F234735387FB0@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <004d01ccc35e$cf3d6070$6db82150$@gmail.com>

I think of all the questions I asked, only the one about VBA code was worth
worrying about. I had misread another post online which had to do with
back-end freezing (this seems more like a front end issue). Anyway, here was
what I read:

http://bytes.com/topic/access/answers/828312-access-back-end-sometimes-freez
es


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

No luck there.  Actually it was behaving badly before I put the save and on
dirty events in.  Gotta start deleting code and see what fixes it.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

It sounds like it is going into a loop because you are trying to do another
save during a save.

What happens if you  get rid of the OnDirty event and  change the  Save
button event to:

If Me.Dirty Then Me.Dirty = False

--
Stuart


On 25 Dec 2011 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The
form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form
seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves
the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go
to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this
record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this
machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the
same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an
undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 17:56:42 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 15:56:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>

Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 

Thanks for the lead.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 18:52:27 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 19:52:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
	<86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>

Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
below.

Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer)
If Dirty Then
  If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
vbYes Then
    Cancel = True
  Else
    TimeStamp= Now()
     LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
  End If
End If
End Sub


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 

Thanks for the lead.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec 25 19:02:03 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:02:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>,
	<86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>,
	<004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF7C78B.19649.39014499@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Define "best".

It depends on the needs of the  application and what your users are used to.

Generally, my users understand and like the fact that changes to a record are "autosaved".  
If I don't want that behaviour, I give them a read-only form - what's the point of changing data 
if you don't want the changes saved?

-- 
Stuart

On 25 Dec 2011 at 19:52, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
> save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
> button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
> forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
> bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
> rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
> below.
> 
> Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer)
> If Dirty Then
>   If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
> vbYes Then
>     Cancel = True
>   Else
>     TimeStamp= Now()
>      LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
>   End If
> End If
> End Sub
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
> 
> Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
> Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
> date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
> BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 
> 
> Thanks for the lead.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> (VBACreations.Com)
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
> 
> Rocky
> Is it a multiuser database?
> Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
> Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
> that table instead of the table itself?
> Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
> 
> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 19:06:12 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:06:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com><86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
	<004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FCFC4FAE992F43B79F9DF4AFB0320C53@HAL9007>

I've done it both ways.  I've put Save buttons on the bound form and trapped
it when they try to move to a new record with a message "The record has
changed since you last saved it.  Save it now?".  Then, if no, Me.Undo.

Kind of depends on the user.  And the nature of the data.

In this case the data is fairly static, they have an Undo button, and they
learn pretty quickly that changes are permanent unless they click the Undo.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 4:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
below.

Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer) If Dirty Then
  If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
vbYes Then
    Cancel = True
  Else
    TimeStamp= Now()
     LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
  End If
End If
End Sub


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 

Thanks for the lead.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
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<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 21:15:42 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 22:15:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <FCFC4FAE992F43B79F9DF4AFB0320C53@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
	<86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
	<004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
	<FCFC4FAE992F43B79F9DF4AFB0320C53@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5pCA2bo5N6ax2hMV-7squX6YqsaTnmK0zjswWrR4z6iw@mail.gmail.com>

I would take the approach to prompt that if they continue they will lose
unsaved changes. If they say cancel then they cancel the move, if they say
ok then do the me.undo.

I would never erase the users work just because they didn't want to save
unless they agreed they wanted to DISCARD.

Same way GMAIL will work with this email. If I press my BACK key I will be
asked if I want to discard these changes. If I say cancel I am back to my
edits.  GOOGLE is more concerned with the bigger risk... losing unsaved
changes... than performing my BACK command.
On Dec 25, 2011 8:07 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I've done it both ways.  I've put Save buttons on the bound form and
> trapped
> it when they try to move to a new record with a message "The record has
> changed since you last saved it.  Save it now?".  Then, if no, Me.Undo.
>
> Kind of depends on the user.  And the nature of the data.
>
> In this case the data is fairly static, they have an Undo button, and they
> learn pretty quickly that changes are permanent unless they click the Undo.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> (VBACreations.Com)
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 4:52 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
> save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
> button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
> forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
> bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
> rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
> below.
>
> Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer) If Dirty Then
>  If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
> vbYes Then
>    Cancel = True
>  Else
>    TimeStamp= Now()
>     LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
>  End If
> End If
> End Sub
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
> Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
> date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed
> to
> BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer).
>
> Thanks for the lead.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> (VBACreations.Com)
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Rocky
> Is it a multiuser database?
> Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
> Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields
> from
> that table instead of the table itself?
> Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form
> seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves
> the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go
> to
> design view.
>
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this
> record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the
> same
> results.
>
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an
> undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 08:54:16 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:54:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <24A6411E-585B-4848-86BB-415F617B3AD6@phulse.com>
References: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>
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Merry Christmas, a tad late (I've been sick) and Happy New Year to all.

Arthur

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

>
> Glaedelig jul og godt tub'aar. ;)
>
> - Hans
>
>
>
> On 2011-12-24, at 7:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > On this evening - Merry Christmas to all after another year with a lot
> of learning experiences and input at this list (and its sister lists) which
> still stands out from all the other fora you and I join.
> > Thanks to all!
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 11:01:16 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:01:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF736BA.1070505@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
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	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF736BA.1070505@colbyconsulting.com>
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This thread would appear to me to be about a subject addressed by my good
friend Dejan Sunderic, in his books about SQL Server, which contained a
chapter about inheriting databases. At the time it was a very novel idea,
even though at that time I was well-acquainted with O-O software. Building
on Dejan's lead, I investigated remodeling the modeldb database, and
including a number of oft-used databases, and this has worked even better
than I expected.

In SQL Server, the core model is called modeldb. What I ended up doing was
creating several different versions of this db, with names such as
modeldb_OE (order entry), modeldb_COA (chart of accounts), etc. -- each
based on modeldb but adding the tables of interest, so that simply by
renaming a couple of dbs and then issuing a Create New I had a whole bunch
of the core tables (transactions and lookups) instantly installed and
populated and ready to go.

Perhaps not an ideal solution, but it has worked for me. When doing an
Access db, I do it manually, importing tables and forms and queries from
databases whose content is isolated (e.g. Geography.mdb,
CustomersAndOrders.mdb, COA.mdb), but the key to making this work
coherently is precisely named, consistent columns in all the dbs -- it is
always called CustomerID, OrderID, OrderDetailsID, ProductID, CategoryID,
SupplierID, etc., and that never changes; may not need all of them, but
it's all predefined in the inheritable databases and it's always
consistent; that's the big trick).

I haven't automated this, as JC wants his solution to work. If I'm
"inheriting" from one Access db, say "CustomersAndOrders", it's incumbent
upon me to remember to "inherit" all the tables and relevant queries and
forms, and occasionally, modules. But force of habit causes few mistakes,
and upon discovery of one, it's pretty easy to return and grab the missing
object.

Anyway, Happy New Year to everyone on this list!
Arthur

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:44 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> William,
>
> What I am trying to do is have a shortcut open a program and keep it
> invisible.  That program copies a bunch of files, then opens a second
> program, whereupon the first program shuts down.
>
> The shortcut properties invisible / minimized cause the first program to
> never appear.  The first program puts up a "working, be patient" splash
> screen while it is opening the second program.
>
> Stuart's suggestion was to use the invisible / minimized properties of the
> shortcut to cause the first program to not ever even be visible, which is
> what I was after.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/24/2011 4:49 PM, William Benson wrote:
>
>> I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
>> vba?
>>
>> TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
>> On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
>>> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
>>> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
>>> and off we go.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 27 11:22:47 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:22:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Merry Christmas AccessD Members !
In-Reply-To: <000c01ccc293$83bd8b00$8b38a100$@net>
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	<000c01ccc293$83bd8b00$8b38a100$@net>
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Art - lack of season greatings...

I think it's been a "Bah Humbug" Christmas for Access and Excel developers.





From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Dec 27 12:26:05 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 22:26:05 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Copy_and_execute_from_Access?=
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gkXjOJkdRT4do2uOS6t0eBc9VPvZHgHcfCUdjO5L93w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF736BA.1070505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1gkXjOJkdRT4do2uOS6t0eBc9VPvZHgHcfCUdjO5L93w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1Rfbiv-0004bd-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f24.mail.ru>

> Anyway, Happy New Year to everyone on this list!
Happy New Year Arthur and All!

-- Shamil


27 ??????? 2011, 21:02 ?? Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
> This thread would appear to me to be about a subject addressed by my good
> friend Dejan Sunderic, in his books about SQL Server, which contained a
> chapter about inheriting databases. At the time it was a very novel idea,
> even though at that time I was well-acquainted with O-O software. Building
> on Dejan's lead, I investigated remodeling the modeldb database, and
> including a number of oft-used databases, and this has worked even better
> than I expected.
> 
> In SQL Server, the core model is called modeldb. What I ended up doing was
> creating several different versions of this db, with names such as
> modeldb_OE (order entry), modeldb_COA (chart of accounts), etc. -- each
> based on modeldb but adding the tables of interest, so that simply by
> renaming a couple of dbs and then issuing a Create New I had a whole bunch
> of the core tables (transactions and lookups) instantly installed and
> populated and ready to go.
> 
> Perhaps not an ideal solution, but it has worked for me. When doing an
> Access db, I do it manually, importing tables and forms and queries from
> databases whose content is isolated (e.g. Geography.mdb,
> CustomersAndOrders.mdb, COA.mdb), but the key to making this work
> coherently is precisely named, consistent columns in all the dbs -- it is
> always called CustomerID, OrderID, OrderDetailsID, ProductID, CategoryID,
> SupplierID, etc., and that never changes; may not need all of them, but
> it's all predefined in the inheritable databases and it's always
> consistent; that's the big trick).
> 
> I haven't automated this, as JC wants his solution to work. If I'm
> "inheriting" from one Access db, say "CustomersAndOrders", it's incumbent
> upon me to remember to "inherit" all the tables and relevant queries and
> forms, and occasionally, modules. But force of habit causes few mistakes,
> and upon discovery of one, it's pretty easy to return and grab the missing
> object.
> 
> Anyway, Happy New Year to everyone on this list!
> Arthur
> 
<<< skipped >>>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 27 20:54:41 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:54:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EFA84F1.3090506@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
AfterUpdate.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Try this:
>
> Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
>      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> End Sub
>



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Dec 27 21:21:02 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:21:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EFA84F1.3090506@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4EFA84F1.3090506@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EFA8B1E.27502.43CD6174@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

.Value is the underlying "value" of the textbox.  It does not change during editing of the 
textbox. Only when the control loses focus.  It can be a string, a number or a Null.

.Text is the text string currently *displayed*  contents of the textbox, it changes as the content 
of the textbox is edited.  It is always a string.

Note that  because .Text is a string, even if the underlying data is a Null, .Text is not - it is an 
empty string (that's why the sample code tests for an empty string, not a null.)

-- 
Stuart


On 27 Dec 2011 at 21:54, jwcolby wrote:

> Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
> AfterUpdate.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > Try this:
> >
> > Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> >      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> > End Sub
> >
> 
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> 





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 28 03:26:46 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:26:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
Message-ID: <sefaeefc.050@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

You may add that property Text is available only when the TextBox (or other type of control) has focus.

/gustav


>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 28-12-2011 04:21 >>>
.Value is the underlying "value" of the textbox.  It does not change during editing of the 
textbox. Only when the control loses focus.  It can be a string, a number or a Null.

.Text is the text string currently *displayed*  contents of the textbox, it changes as the content 
of the textbox is edited.  It is always a string.

Note that  because .Text is a string, even if the underlying data is a Null, .Text is not - it is an 
empty string (that's why the sample code tests for an empty string, not a null.)

-- 
Stuart


On 27 Dec 2011 at 21:54, jwcolby wrote:

> Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
> AfterUpdate.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > Try this:
> >
> > Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> >      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> > End Sub




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec 28 03:49:40 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:49:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <sefaeefc.050@cactus.dk>
References: <sefaeefc.050@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4EFAE634.18576.4531333B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Good point.

On 28 Dec 2011 at 10:26, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Stuart
> 
> You may add that property Text is available only when the TextBox (or other type of control) has focus.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 28-12-2011 04:21 >>>
> .Value is the underlying "value" of the textbox.  It does not change during editing of the 
> textbox. Only when the control loses focus.  It can be a string, a number or a Null.
> 
> .Text is the text string currently *displayed*  contents of the textbox, it changes as the content 
> of the textbox is edited.  It is always a string.
> 
> Note that  because .Text is a string, even if the underlying data is a Null, .Text is not - it is an 
> empty string (that's why the sample code tests for an empty string, not a null.)
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 27 Dec 2011 at 21:54, jwcolby wrote:
> 
> > Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
> > AfterUpdate.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > 
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> > 
> > On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > > Try this:
> > >
> > > Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> > >      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> > > End Sub
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 28 08:50:15 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:50:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ya just gotta love it
Message-ID: <4EFB2CA7.9080704@colbyconsulting.com>

On my workstation at the client I have Access2K and AccessXP (2002) installed.  Access 2002 is the 
one that opens if I just double click a database.

I have written this CopyAndRun application for copying the FE and libs to the user's workstation and 
opening it.  C&R uses office automation to open the file just copied.

This is the code which actually opens the application just copied.

Sub OpenApp(strFEToOpen As String)
Dim appAccess As Access.Application
     ' Create new instance of Microsoft Access.
     Set appAccess = CreateObject("Access.Application")
     ' Open database in Microsoft Access window.
     appAccess.OpenCurrentDatabase strFEToOpen
End Sub

One of the users has Access2K SP1 installed, and when he uses C&R it does in fact open the target 
app but it is hidden, i.e. there is an Access process in Task Manager Processes but Access is not 
listed in Applications.

So I try testing it with my system.  I use a shortcut to Access 2K (which has SP3) to directly open 
C&R.  I then click a test button which opens the target app.  When it opens it is running under 
Access 2002.  IOW even though the code above is running in Access 2K once the dust settles the 
target is running in Access XP.

Not ideal for testing eh?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 28 09:07:08 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:07:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Setting the program default application
Message-ID: <4EFB309C.7070908@colbyconsulting.com>

I thought that you could right click on an access database file, then Open with / Choose Program / 
Always use the selected program / browse / then find the program to use and select that and it would 
permanently modify the double click program used to open that file type.

That is not happening, in fact even as I select Access2K and do the open it immediately uses 
AccessXP to perform the open.

WTHO?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 10:13:39 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:13:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
In-Reply-To: <00a101ccbf6d$04a75f40$0df61dc0$@net>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<00a101ccbf6d$04a75f40$0df61dc0$@net>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C39@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

Thanks for the suggestion on how to write a better query. The extra records were caused by there being 11 records for each gas meter in the table GA_Details. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem

Dunno...the Where clause was not being utilized properly for one thing.
This will run much more efficiently....
I couldn't really pin-point the problem though.

SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
       scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
       [Volume] * 1000      AS Mcf,
       Sum([Volume]) * 1000 AS McfTest
FROM   (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
         INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master
           ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID =
scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
        INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
                    INNER JOIN (GA_Header
                                INNER JOIN GA_Details
                                  ON GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER)
                      ON ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date =
GA_Header.Sample_Date )
                         AND ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER =
GA_Header.METER ))
          ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
       INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes
       ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
WHERE  (GA_Details.UNIT = "PCT" ) AND ([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID )
= 362915) AND
       ( scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate  = #12 / 1 / 2011 # )

GROUP  BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
          scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
          [Volume] * 1000
ORDER  BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
>
> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf,
> Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID
> = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date)
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER))
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname
> = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915)
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
>
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
>
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
>
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as
> done by Access.
>
> Any thoughts appreciated.
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
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> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 10:24:49 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:24:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What might I be doing wrong?

Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 

Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
RecordDate	Gas Plant	Wagner	Cogdell
1/31/2011	35400		2834	
2/28/2011	25900		2400	
3/31/2011	33452		2500	
4/30/2011	46503		2891	
5/31/2011	24402		3746	
6/30/2011	15324		3557	
7/31/2011	14154		3765	
8/31/2011	25074		3715	
9/30/2011	24041		3456	
10/31/2011	24725		3593	
11/30/2011	25000		3468	

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

?
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From jedi at charm.net  Wed Dec 28 11:50:31 2011
From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:50:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Setting the program default application
In-Reply-To: <4EFB309C.7070908@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EFB309C.7070908@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1165.24.35.110.201.1325094631.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>

John, try Right-Click Properties | Change

You should see the actual application that is being used.  Here you can
implicitly change to whatever app you want.

Mike

> I thought that you could right click on an access database file, then Open
> with / Choose Program /
> Always use the selected program / browse / then find the program to use
> and select that and it would
> permanently modify the double click program used to open that file type.
>
> That is not happening, in fact even as I select Access2K and do the open
> it immediately uses
> AccessXP to perform the open.
>
> WTHO?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 12:02:41 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:02:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWbEeTXex=jUHkuviRmh1AjoKL5MFDco8t1N0KzhoGVATQ@mail.gmail.com>

What is it that you want to return when the EndDate is not greater than
RecordDate?

this is what is in the else portion:

Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report
Date Selector]![EndDate]


Think of an IIF as an IF Then Else:


IF [Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>Max([qry Monthly
Third Party Water]![RecordDate])
THEN Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])
Else Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
Report Date Selector]![EndDate]


On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query
> returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00
> for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What
> might I be doing wrong?
>
> Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
> Report Date Selector]![EndDate])
>
> Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
> RecordDate      Gas Plant       Wagner  Cogdell
> 1/31/2011       35400           2834
> 2/28/2011       25900           2400
> 3/31/2011       33452           2500
> 4/30/2011       46503           2891
> 5/31/2011       24402           3746
> 6/30/2011       15324           3557
> 7/31/2011       14154           3765
> 8/31/2011       25074           3715
> 9/30/2011       24041           3456
> 10/31/2011      24725           3593
> 11/30/2011      25000           3468
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 12:31:34 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:31:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWbEeTXex=jUHkuviRmh1AjoKL5MFDco8t1N0KzhoGVATQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<CAMhYZWbEeTXex=jUHkuviRmh1AjoKL5MFDco8t1N0KzhoGVATQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C6F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

What I want return when the end date is less than the max date from the query is the max date that is less than the end date entered on the form. For example if the end date entered on the form is 6/13/2011 the if statement should return 5/31/2011.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query

What is it that you want to return when the EndDate is not greater than
RecordDate?

this is what is in the else portion:

Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report
Date Selector]![EndDate]


Think of an IIF as an IF Then Else:


IF [Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>Max([qry Monthly
Third Party Water]![RecordDate])
THEN Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])
Else Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
Report Date Selector]![EndDate]


On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query
> returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00
> for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What
> might I be doing wrong?
>
> Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
> Report Date Selector]![EndDate])
>
> Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
> RecordDate      Gas Plant       Wagner  Cogdell
> 1/31/2011       35400           2834
> 2/28/2011       25900           2400
> 3/31/2011       33452           2500
> 4/30/2011       46503           2891
> 5/31/2011       24402           3746
> 6/30/2011       15324           3557
> 7/31/2011       14154           3765
> 8/31/2011       25074           3715
> 9/30/2011       24041           3456
> 10/31/2011      24725           3593
> 11/30/2011      25000           3468
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Wed Dec 28 12:42:46 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:42:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
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I think you will find that "The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query" because what the second part of the iif statement is returning is the Boolean expression...

 Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]

As the form date is know to be less than or equal to the query date (first part of Iif is not true), the above Boolean expression always evaluates to False, which equals zero, which is the date value 12:00. This is because the query date cannot be less than the form date if the form date is already less than the query date.

In short you convoluted you way into a bug. What you need is simply...

IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 

... I think. :-)

Lambert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query

I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What might I be doing wrong?

Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 

Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
RecordDate	Gas Plant	Wagner	Cogdell
1/31/2011	35400		2834	
2/28/2011	25900		2400	
3/31/2011	33452		2500	
4/30/2011	46503		2891	
5/31/2011	24402		3746	
6/30/2011	15324		3557	
7/31/2011	14154		3765	
8/31/2011	25074		3715	
9/30/2011	24041		3456	
10/31/2011	24725		3593	
11/30/2011	25000		3468	

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 13:17:13 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:17:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C6F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<CAMhYZWbEeTXex=jUHkuviRmh1AjoKL5MFDco8t1N0KzhoGVATQ@mail.gmail.com>
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The way I would do it (which isn't necessarily the correct way ;) ) would
be to modify the query with left join pulling the previous date:
Use that date in the False section:

If(YourLogic, TrueStuff, [qry Monthly Third Party Water]![PrevMaxDate])


Another thing you could do (If in Access) is use a DMAX in the False
section but this might be slower.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> What I want return when the end date is less than the max date from the
> query is the max date that is less than the end date entered on the form.
> For example if the end date entered on the form is 6/13/2011 the if
> statement should return 5/31/2011.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:03 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
>
> What is it that you want to return when the EndDate is not greater than
> RecordDate?
>
> this is what is in the else portion:
>
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report
> Date Selector]![EndDate]
>
>
> Think of an IIF as an IF Then Else:
>
>
> IF [Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>Max([qry Monthly
> Third Party Water]![RecordDate])
> THEN Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])
> Else Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
> Report Date Selector]![EndDate]
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Kaup, Chester <
> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:
>
> > I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query
> > returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns
> 12:00
> > for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query.
> What
> > might I be doing wrong?
> >
> > Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>
> > Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
> > Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
> > Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
> > Report Date Selector]![EndDate])
> >
> > Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
> > RecordDate      Gas Plant       Wagner  Cogdell
> > 1/31/2011       35400           2834
> > 2/28/2011       25900           2400
> > 3/31/2011       33452           2500
> > 4/30/2011       46503           2891
> > 5/31/2011       24402           3746
> > 6/30/2011       15324           3557
> > 7/31/2011       14154           3765
> > 8/31/2011       25074           3715
> > 9/30/2011       24041           3456
> > 10/31/2011      24725           3593
> > 11/30/2011      25000           3468
> >
> > Chester Kaup
> > Engineering Technician
> > Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> > Office (432) 688-3797
> > FAX (432) 688-3799
> >
> >
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> > number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 13:21:19 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:21:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EB05DCEB@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EB05DCEB@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C88@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

If there is a way to convoluted your way into a bug I can find it. Unfortunately your if statement does not quite get it either. If the ending date input on the form is greater than the last date returned by the query it works correctly but in the case where it is less than the last date returned by the query the result is not correct. What I need in that case is the largest date returned by the query that is less than the ending date entered on the form For example if 4/15/2011 is entered as the ending date the value returned by the query should be 3/31/2011.

Thanks for the help.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query

I think you will find that "The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query" because what the second part of the iif statement is returning is the Boolean expression...

 Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]

As the form date is know to be less than or equal to the query date (first part of Iif is not true), the above Boolean expression always evaluates to False, which equals zero, which is the date value 12:00. This is because the query date cannot be less than the form date if the form date is already less than the query date.

In short you convoluted you way into a bug. What you need is simply...

IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 

... I think. :-)

Lambert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query

I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What might I be doing wrong?

Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 

Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
RecordDate	Gas Plant	Wagner	Cogdell
1/31/2011	35400		2834	
2/28/2011	25900		2400	
3/31/2011	33452		2500	
4/30/2011	46503		2891	
5/31/2011	24402		3746	
6/30/2011	15324		3557	
7/31/2011	14154		3765	
8/31/2011	25074		3715	
9/30/2011	24041		3456	
10/31/2011	24725		3593	
11/30/2011	25000		3468	

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 13:52:31 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:52:31 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C88@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EB05DCEB@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C88@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
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What happens if you put parenthesis around the false part?

Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
(Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![
frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]))


I still believe you need a separate select for the false part.

I just did something on a test table over here:

SELECT * FROM tblRentalAction  WHERE RentalID = 37913

Results:

RentalActionID    RentalID    LocKeyID    TranDate
110235    37913    1    2011-02-15 00:02:00.000
110276    37913    3    2011-02-28 00:00:00.000
114347    37913    8    2011-07-11 00:00:00.000


SELECT
     MaxDate,
     RentalID,
     Max(PrevDate) AS NextDate
FROM
 (
  SELECT A.*, B.PrevDate
  FROM
     (
      SELECT
         Max(TranDate) AS MaxDate,
         RentalID
      FROM tblRentalAction
      WHERE RentalID = 37913 GROUP BY RentalID
      ) A
   LEFT JOIN
     (
      SELECT TOP 3(TranDate) AS PrevDate, RentalID
      FROM tblRentalAction
      WHERE RentalID = 37913
      ) B
   ON A.RentalID = B.RentalID AND A.MaxDate <> B.PrevDate
) C GROUP BY MaxDate, RentalID

Results:
MaxDate    RentalID    NextDate
2011-07-11 00:00:00.000    37913    2011-02-28 00:00:00.000

You could then use your IIF(Logic, TruePart, FalsePart) on that query.

Not sure if it helps or further confuses you. :)

David



On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> If there is a way to convoluted your way into a bug I can find it.
> Unfortunately your if statement does not quite get it either. If the ending
> date input on the form is greater than the last date returned by the query
> it works correctly but in the case where it is less than the last date
> returned by the query the result is not correct. What I need in that case
> is the largest date returned by the query that is less than the ending date
> entered on the form For example if 4/15/2011 is entered as the ending date
> the value returned by the query should be 3/31/2011.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
>
> I think you will find that "The second part of the if statement returns
> 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the
> query" because what the second part of the iif statement is returning is
> the Boolean expression...
>
>  Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
> Report Date Selector]![EndDate]
>
> As the form date is know to be less than or equal to the query date (first
> part of Iif is not true), the above Boolean expression always evaluates to
> False, which equals zero, which is the date value 12:00. This is because
> the query date cannot be less than the form date if the form date is
> already less than the query date.
>
> In short you convoluted you way into a bug. What you need is simply...
>
> IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly
> Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party
> Water]![RecordDate]),[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate])
>
> ... I think. :-)
>
> Lambert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
>
> I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query
> returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00
> for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What
> might I be doing wrong?
>
> Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry
> Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party
> Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party
> Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate])
>
> Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
> RecordDate      Gas Plant       Wagner  Cogdell
> 1/31/2011       35400           2834
> 2/28/2011       25900           2400
> 3/31/2011       33452           2500
> 4/30/2011       46503           2891
> 5/31/2011       24402           3746
> 6/30/2011       15324           3557
> 7/31/2011       14154           3765
> 8/31/2011       25074           3715
> 9/30/2011       24041           3456
> 10/31/2011      24725           3593
> 11/30/2011      25000           3468
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
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> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 28 14:20:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:20:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] but does it run...
Message-ID: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com>


http://www.raspberrypi.org/

They are apparently close to production.

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when you do not believe in it


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 14:29:14 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:29:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] but does it run...
In-Reply-To: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6sPVxhNmkiwibnFBJKH-B_Dckg7YeQck01NHC=JZ-gJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Gee..... "its power supply balls weren't connected to the system 1.8v
supply.

Sounds like something that violates the Geneva convention to me.
On Dec 28, 2011 3:23 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
>
> They are apparently close to production.
>
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>
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> when you do not believe in it
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 28 14:31:29 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:31:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Setting the program default application
In-Reply-To: <1165.24.35.110.201.1325094631.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>
References: <4EFB309C.7070908@colbyconsulting.com>
	<1165.24.35.110.201.1325094631.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>
Message-ID: <4EFB7CA1.4040405@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, I tried that.  It refused to "keep" the change.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

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when you do not believe in it

On 12/28/2011 12:50 PM, Michael Bahr wrote:
> John, try Right-Click Properties | Change
>
> You should see the actual application that is being used.  Here you can
> implicitly change to whatever app you want.
>
> Mike
>
>> I thought that you could right click on an access database file, then Open
>> with / Choose Program /
>> Always use the selected program / browse / then find the program to use
>> and select that and it would
>> permanently modify the double click program used to open that file type.
>>
>> That is not happening, in fact even as I select Access2K and do the open
>> it immediately uses
>> AccessXP to perform the open.
>>
>> WTHO?
>>
>> --
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>>
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>> when you do not believe in it
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 28 14:44:18 2011
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 20:44:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
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References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EB05DCEB@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C88@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W6FF06FC9A67E21948F8E7D2AC0@phx.gbl>


Ok...I see now...you are trying to change the scope of the query in the iif.
 
can you change the criteria on the query itself... to always be limited to the max(date) < Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]...
 
Or...maybe use a dlookup to get the date instead of an IIF?
 
Mark A. Matte

 

> From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:21:19 -0600
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
> 
> If there is a way to convoluted your way into a bug I can find it. Unfortunately your if statement does not quite get it either. If the ending date input on the form is greater than the last date returned by the query it works correctly but in the case where it is less than the last date returned by the query the result is not correct. What I need in that case is the largest date returned by the query that is less than the ending date entered on the form For example if 4/15/2011 is entered as the ending date the value returned by the query should be 3/31/2011.
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
> 
> I think you will find that "The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query" because what the second part of the iif statement is returning is the Boolean expression...
> 
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]
> 
> As the form date is know to be less than or equal to the query date (first part of Iif is not true), the above Boolean expression always evaluates to False, which equals zero, which is the date value 12:00. This is because the query date cannot be less than the form date if the form date is already less than the query date.
> 
> In short you convoluted you way into a bug. What you need is simply...
> 
> IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 
> 
> ... I think. :-)
> 
> Lambert
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
> 
> I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What might I be doing wrong?
> 
> Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 
> 
> Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
> RecordDate Gas Plant Wagner Cogdell
> 1/31/2011 35400 2834 
> 2/28/2011 25900 2400 
> 3/31/2011 33452 2500 
> 4/30/2011 46503 2891 
> 5/31/2011 24402 3746 
> 6/30/2011 15324 3557 
> 7/31/2011 14154 3765 
> 8/31/2011 25074 3715 
> 9/30/2011 24041 3456 
> 10/31/2011 24725 3593 
> 11/30/2011 25000 3468 
> 
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
> 
>  
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 28 15:28:03 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:28:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] but does it run...
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References: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com>
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ROTFL.  That is a method of torture used only in small labs in England.  Very hush hush.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/28/2011 3:29 PM, William Benson wrote:
> Gee..... "its power supply balls weren't connected to the system 1.8v
> supply.
>
> Sounds like something that violates the Geneva convention to me.
> On Dec 28, 2011 3:23 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
>>
>> They are apparently close to production.
>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec 28 15:31:20 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:31:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Ya just gotta love it
In-Reply-To: <4EFB2CA7.9080704@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EFB2CA7.9080704@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EFB8AA8.0.47B3A404@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Not ideal, but logical.

If 2002 is the registry "default" for Access, that's what COM ( or whatever MS are calling it 
these days)  will use when creating the appAccess object.   

-- 
Stuart   

On 28 Dec 2011 at 9:50, jwcolby wrote:

> On my workstation at the client I have Access2K and AccessXP (2002) installed.  Access 2002 is the 
> one that opens if I just double click a database.
> 
...
> Dim appAccess As Access.Application
...
> So I try testing it with my system.  I use a shortcut to Access 2K (which has SP3) to directly open 
> C&R.  I then click a test button which opens the target app.  When it opens it is running under 
> Access 2002.  IOW even though the code above is running in Access 2K once the dust settles the 
> target is running in Access XP.
> 
> Not ideal for testing eh?
> 



From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 16:54:30 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:54:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W6FF06FC9A67E21948F8E7D2AC0@phx.gbl>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EB05DCEB@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>, 
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C88@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
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I ended up doing it in VBA. Much easier. Thanks for the assistance.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query


Ok...I see now...you are trying to change the scope of the query in the iif.
 
can you change the criteria on the query itself... to always be limited to the max(date) < Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]...
 
Or...maybe use a dlookup to get the date instead of an IIF?
 
Mark A. Matte

 

> From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:21:19 -0600
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
> 
> If there is a way to convoluted your way into a bug I can find it. Unfortunately your if statement does not quite get it either. If the ending date input on the form is greater than the last date returned by the query it works correctly but in the case where it is less than the last date returned by the query the result is not correct. What I need in that case is the largest date returned by the query that is less than the ending date entered on the form For example if 4/15/2011 is entered as the ending date the value returned by the query should be 3/31/2011.
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
> 
> I think you will find that "The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query" because what the second part of the iif statement is returning is the Boolean expression...
> 
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]
> 
> As the form date is know to be less than or equal to the query date (first part of Iif is not true), the above Boolean expression always evaluates to False, which equals zero, which is the date value 12:00. This is because the query date cannot be less than the form date if the form date is already less than the query date.
> 
> In short you convoluted you way into a bug. What you need is simply...
> 
> IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 
> 
> ... I think. :-)
> 
> Lambert
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
> 
> I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What might I be doing wrong?
> 
> Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 
> 
> Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
> RecordDate Gas Plant Wagner Cogdell
> 1/31/2011 35400 2834 
> 2/28/2011 25900 2400 
> 3/31/2011 33452 2500 
> 4/30/2011 46503 2891 
> 5/31/2011 24402 3746 
> 6/30/2011 15324 3557 
> 7/31/2011 14154 3765 
> 8/31/2011 25074 3715 
> 9/30/2011 24041 3456 
> 10/31/2011 24725 3593 
> 11/30/2011 25000 3468 
> 
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
> 
>  
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> 
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 16:55:09 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:55:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
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	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EB05DCEB@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C88@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
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I ended up doing it in VBA. Much easier. Thanks for the assistance.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query

What happens if you put parenthesis around the false part?

Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
(Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![
frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]))


I still believe you need a separate select for the false part.

I just did something on a test table over here:

SELECT * FROM tblRentalAction  WHERE RentalID = 37913

Results:

RentalActionID    RentalID    LocKeyID    TranDate
110235    37913    1    2011-02-15 00:02:00.000
110276    37913    3    2011-02-28 00:00:00.000
114347    37913    8    2011-07-11 00:00:00.000


SELECT
     MaxDate,
     RentalID,
     Max(PrevDate) AS NextDate
FROM
 (
  SELECT A.*, B.PrevDate
  FROM
     (
      SELECT
         Max(TranDate) AS MaxDate,
         RentalID
      FROM tblRentalAction
      WHERE RentalID = 37913 GROUP BY RentalID
      ) A
   LEFT JOIN
     (
      SELECT TOP 3(TranDate) AS PrevDate, RentalID
      FROM tblRentalAction
      WHERE RentalID = 37913
      ) B
   ON A.RentalID = B.RentalID AND A.MaxDate <> B.PrevDate
) C GROUP BY MaxDate, RentalID

Results:
MaxDate    RentalID    NextDate
2011-07-11 00:00:00.000    37913    2011-02-28 00:00:00.000

You could then use your IIF(Logic, TruePart, FalsePart) on that query.

Not sure if it helps or further confuses you. :)

David



On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> If there is a way to convoluted your way into a bug I can find it.
> Unfortunately your if statement does not quite get it either. If the ending
> date input on the form is greater than the last date returned by the query
> it works correctly but in the case where it is less than the last date
> returned by the query the result is not correct. What I need in that case
> is the largest date returned by the query that is less than the ending date
> entered on the form For example if 4/15/2011 is entered as the ending date
> the value returned by the query should be 3/31/2011.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
>
> I think you will find that "The second part of the if statement returns
> 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the
> query" because what the second part of the iif statement is returning is
> the Boolean expression...
>
>  Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
> Report Date Selector]![EndDate]
>
> As the form date is know to be less than or equal to the query date (first
> part of Iif is not true), the above Boolean expression always evaluates to
> False, which equals zero, which is the date value 12:00. This is because
> the query date cannot be less than the form date if the form date is
> already less than the query date.
>
> In short you convoluted you way into a bug. What you need is simply...
>
> IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly
> Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party
> Water]![RecordDate]),[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate])
>
> ... I think. :-)
>
> Lambert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
>
> I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query
> returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00
> for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What
> might I be doing wrong?
>
> Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry
> Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party
> Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party
> Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate])
>
> Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
> RecordDate      Gas Plant       Wagner  Cogdell
> 1/31/2011       35400           2834
> 2/28/2011       25900           2400
> 3/31/2011       33452           2500
> 4/30/2011       46503           2891
> 5/31/2011       24402           3746
> 6/30/2011       15324           3557
> 7/31/2011       14154           3765
> 8/31/2011       25074           3715
> 9/30/2011       24041           3456
> 10/31/2011      24725           3593
> 11/30/2011      25000           3468
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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From joeo at appoli.com  Wed Dec 28 17:43:17 2011
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:43:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>

Does anyone have any experience with the training videos from LearnDevNow?  They are running a special of only $99 for a full year of access to their entire library of over 3,000 videos.  The deadline to subscribe is December 31.  If these are good training videos, it seems like an inexpensive way to learn new technologies.

The web site is http://www.learndevnow.com

Joe O'Connell


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 20:48:59 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:48:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
In-Reply-To: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4sEup+xA0Txy=dEyXeqE1wzJPXSnfzr_e2XM=W9zDpaA@mail.gmail.com>

is Dec 31 2011 the deadline for the 2011 annual membership? If so, not
really much of a bargain

;-) couldn't resist, hopefully you get more serious (experienced) answers.




On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Joe O'Connell <joeo at appoli.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with the training videos from LearnDevNow?
>  They are running a special of only $99 for a full year of access to their
> entire library of over 3,000 videos.  The deadline to subscribe is December
> 31.  If these are good training videos, it seems like an inexpensive way to
> learn new technologies.
>
> The web site is http://www.learndevnow.com
>
> Joe O'Connell
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 21:53:34 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:53:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4sEup+xA0Txy=dEyXeqE1wzJPXSnfzr_e2XM=W9zDpaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
	<CAGuQ9V4sEup+xA0Txy=dEyXeqE1wzJPXSnfzr_e2XM=W9zDpaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_cjs0xtV=nKNGwGM02F1_US-0=S96iJe=pzD9cmEgwPw@mail.gmail.com>

No experience with them but experience with AppDev's CBT training, which
was good.  Hard to beat an instructor like Ken Getz, so that price for a
year's subscription looks like a bargain to me.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:48 PM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> is Dec 31 2011 the deadline for the 2011 annual membership? If so, not
> really much of a bargain
>
> ;-) couldn't resist, hopefully you get more serious (experienced) answers.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Joe O'Connell <joeo at appoli.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any experience with the training videos from
> LearnDevNow?
> >  They are running a special of only $99 for a full year of access to
> their
> > entire library of over 3,000 videos.  The deadline to subscribe is
> December
> > 31.  If these are good training videos, it seems like an inexpensive way
> to
> > learn new technologies.
> >
> > The web site is http://www.learndevnow.com
>
>
> >
> > Joe O'Connell
> >
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>
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>
> >
>
>
>
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> **
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 22:55:12 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:55:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
In-Reply-To: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <008901ccc5e6$0cbe9bb0$263bd310$@gmail.com>

I just watched 2 of the videos and I actually learned what both Silverlight
and WPF are from the free vids. In addition, since I have never seen C#
(only VB and VBA) I was always kind of afraid of it, but now I feel I could
get going in that if I needed to. A few 30-40 minute intro videos don't make
me a programmer ... but I feel a lot more knowledgeable about what I might
be getting into if I chose to work in those languages / platforms or
whatever the right word is. I would say the quality of the videos was very
good.  There's lots more than I will need or might have the time to learn,
but I think I will bite for only $100.

Thanks for the tip Joe.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe O'Connell
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies

Does anyone have any experience with the training videos from LearnDevNow?
They are running a special of only $99 for a full year of access to their
entire library of over 3,000 videos.  The deadline to subscribe is December
31.  If these are good training videos, it seems like an inexpensive way to
learn new technologies.

The web site is http://www.learndevnow.com

Joe O'Connell

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From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Dec 29 12:55:41 2011
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:55:41 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
Message-ID: <201112291155.pBTBtfMl007789@mailhostC.plex.net>

Dear list.

i have a table with patients.

tblDialysis

Pat      OpenDate      Code
1        01-01-2011    325
2        02-02-2011    325
2        03-03-2011    326
2        04-04-2011    327
3        05-05-2011    325
3        06-06-2011    326
4        07-07-2011    325
4        08-08-2011    327
5        09-09-2011    326

i need all records of patients who have a code 325 and 326  0r 325 and 327


result

Pat      OpenDate      Code
2        02-02-2011    325
2        03-03-2011    326
2        04-04-2011    327
3        05-05-2011    325
3        06-06-2011    326
4        07-07-2011    325
4        08-08-2011    327

any idea's

Pedro


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 06:53:46 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:53:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
In-Reply-To: <201112291155.pBTBtfMl007789@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112291155.pBTBtfMl007789@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V51-ojTrs6iF0bBO28oi2hUXMkVQT-xrp2RLhN_WWZOPw@mail.gmail.com>

Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is code =25.

Select tb2.pat , tbl2.opendate , tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tb2 inner
join (select distict pat from tbldialysis where  code= 325) as tbl1 on
tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327)
On Dec 29, 2011 6:59 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:

> Dear list.
>
> i have a table with patients.
>
> tblDialysis
>
> Pat      OpenDate      Code
> 1        01-01-2011    325
> 2        02-02-2011    325
> 2        03-03-2011    326
> 2        04-04-2011    327
> 3        05-05-2011    325
> 3        06-06-2011    326
> 4        07-07-2011    325
> 4        08-08-2011    327
> 5        09-09-2011    326
>
> i need all records of patients who have a code 325 and 326  0r 325 and 327
>
>
> result
>
> Pat      OpenDate      Code
> 2        02-02-2011    325
> 2        03-03-2011    326
> 2        04-04-2011    327
> 3        05-05-2011    325
> 3        06-06-2011    326
> 4        07-07-2011    325
> 4        08-08-2011    327
>
> any idea's
>
> Pedro
>
> --
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>

From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Dec 29 14:54:26 2011
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:54:26 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
Message-ID: <201112291354.pBTDsQ36014718@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello William,

I  made a second table with only the code=325 records in it.
But i get an syntax-error when using the query;

Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 on
tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327);

i can't figure out why (after correction of misspelled words?

What am i doing wrong?

Pedro




In antwoord op:

> From: William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:53:46 -0500
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
> 
> 
> Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is code =25.
> 
> Select tb2.pat , tbl2.opendate , tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tb2 inner
> join (select distict pat from tbldialysis where  code= 325) as tbl1 on
> tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327)
> On Dec 29, 2011 6:59 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Dear list.
> >
> > i have a table with patients.
> >
> > tblDialysis
> >
> > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > 1        01-01-2011    325
> > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > 4        08-08-2011    327
> > 5        09-09-2011    326
> >
> > i need all records of patients who have a code 325 and 326  0r 325 and 327
> >
> >
> > result
> >
> > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > 4        08-08-2011    327
> >
> > any idea's
> >
> > Pedro
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> 
> 

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Dec 29 08:17:53 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:17:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
Message-ID: <sefc84c4.076@cactus.dk>

Hi Pedro

Shouldn't last line read:

tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat where tbl2.code in (326,327);

/gustav


>>> pedro at plex.nl 29-12-2011 14:54 >>>
Hello William,

I  made a second table with only the code=325 records in it.
But i get an syntax-error when using the query;

Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 on
tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327);

i can't figure out why (after correction of misspelled words?

What am i doing wrong?

Pedro




In antwoord op:

> From: William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:53:46 -0500
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
> 
> 
> Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is code =25.
> 
> Select tb2.pat , tbl2.opendate , tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tb2 inner
> join (select distict pat from tbldialysis where  code= 325) as tbl1 on
> tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327)
> On Dec 29, 2011 6:59 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Dear list.
> >
> > i have a table with patients.
> >
> > tblDialysis
> >
> > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > 1        01-01-2011    325
> > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > 4        08-08-2011    327
> > 5        09-09-2011    326
> >
> > i need all records of patients who have a code 325 and 326  0r 325 and 327
> >
> >
> > result
> >
> > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > 4        08-08-2011    327
> >
> > any idea's
> >
> > Pedro




From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 29 08:24:06 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:24:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] but does it run...
In-Reply-To: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EFC7806.1060709@torchlake.com>

I've been waiting.  Production was supposed to be in mid-December 2011, 
if I recall correctly.  Still waiting, patiently....umm, no, 
impatiently.  I want one of those little things!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/28/2011 3:20 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>
> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
>
> They are apparently close to production.
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 29 08:32:22 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:32:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] but does it run...
In-Reply-To: <4EFC7806.1060709@torchlake.com>
References: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EFC7806.1060709@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EFC79F6.5000902@colbyconsulting.com>

 >I want one of those little things!

Me too!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/29/2011 9:24 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> I've been waiting. Production was supposed to be in mid-December 2011, if I recall correctly. Still
> waiting, patiently....umm, no, impatiently. I want one of those little things!
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/28/2011 3:20 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
>>
>> They are apparently close to production.
>>


From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Dec 29 16:13:14 2011
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:13:14 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
Message-ID: <201112291513.pBTFDEcv019497@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Gustav,

that's correct (to much on my mind at the end of the year)

But no i only get as result the records with code 326 and 327).

William mentioned: "Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is code =25" 

-- i tried this, but i still only have the records with code 326 and 327.

What is wrong? (more and more on my mind!!)

Pedro






In antwoord op:

> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:17:53 +0100
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
> 
> 
> Hi Pedro
> 
> Shouldn't last line read:
> 
> tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat where tbl2.code in (326,327);
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> pedro at plex.nl 29-12-2011 14:54 >>>
> Hello William,
> 
> I  made a second table with only the code=325 records in it.
> But i get an syntax-error when using the query;
> 
> Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
> join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 on
> tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327);
> 
> i can't figure out why (after correction of misspelled words?
> 
> What am i doing wrong?
> 
> Pedro
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In antwoord op:
> 
> > From: William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:53:46 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
> > 
> > 
> > Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is code =25.
> > 
> > Select tb2.pat , tbl2.opendate , tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tb2 inner
> > join (select distict pat from tbldialysis where  code= 325) as tbl1 on
> > tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327)
> > On Dec 29, 2011 6:59 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear list.
> > >
> > > i have a table with patients.
> > >
> > > tblDialysis
> > >
> > > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > > 1        01-01-2011    325
> > > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > > 4        08-08-2011    327
> > > 5        09-09-2011    326
> > >
> > > i need all records of patients who have a code 325 and 326  0r 325 and 327
> > >
> > >
> > > result
> > >
> > > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > > 4        08-08-2011    327
> > >
> > > any idea's
> > >
> > > Pedro
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 09:22:56 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:22:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
In-Reply-To: <sefc84c4.076@cactus.dk>
References: <sefc84c4.076@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001501ccc63d$c1a60750$44f215f0$@gmail.com>

Yep.. air code at 5AM while not having slept at night can do that to ya!
Thanks Gustav.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:18 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column

Hi Pedro

Shouldn't last line read:

tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat where tbl2.code in (326,327);

/gustav


>>> pedro at plex.nl 29-12-2011 14:54 >>>
Hello William,

I  made a second table with only the code=325 records in it.
But i get an syntax-error when using the query;

Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 on
tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327);

i can't figure out why (after correction of misspelled words?

What am i doing wrong?

Pedro




In antwoord op:

> From: William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:53:46 -0500
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
> 
> 
> Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is code =25.
> 
> Select tb2.pat , tbl2.opendate , tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tb2 inner
> join (select distict pat from tbldialysis where  code= 325) as tbl1 on
> tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327)
> On Dec 29, 2011 6:59 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Dear list.
> >
> > i have a table with patients.
> >
> > tblDialysis
> >
> > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > 1        01-01-2011    325
> > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > 4        08-08-2011    327
> > 5        09-09-2011    326
> >
> > i need all records of patients who have a code 325 and 326  0r 325 and
327
> >
> >
> > result
> >
> > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > 4        08-08-2011    327
> >
> > any idea's
> >
> > Pedro



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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1325173093.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1325173093.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1325173094.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1325173094.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.4.1325173094.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1325173094.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.6.1325173095.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.7.1325173095.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.8.1325173095.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.9.1325173095.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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However, you'll notice that Access won't build a query like that.  Instead
you'll get this from Access:

Select tblEmployees.FirstName, tblEmployees.LastName

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Okay, just tested it.  When you don't have a duplicate, you refer to the
field in the recordset as just the field name.  When you DO have a
duplicate, I guessed right, you refer to it as tblTable.fldField.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] internal recordset field names


Suppose two tables contain the same field name and you base a recordset on
those two tables and include both fields -- how does the recordset name (or
identify) the two fields? I know I can use As to alias them both, but how
would I refer to these fields within the recordset if I didn't?

Susan H.

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Custom Formats

Custom number formats can have one to four sections with 
semicolons (;) as the list separator. Each section contains the 
format specification for a different type of number.

Section	Description
First	The format for positive numbers.
Second	The format for negative numbers.
Third	The format for zero values.
Fourth	The format for Null values.
For example, you could use the following custom Currency 
format:

$#,##0.00[Green];($#,##0.00)[Red];"Zero";"Null"

This number format contains four sections separated by 
semicolons and uses a different format for each section.
If you use multiple sections but don't specify a format for each 
section, entries for which there is no format either will display 
nothing or will default to the formatting of the first section.

HTH,
Stephen

> I have a report that displays monetary fields with a 'Standard'
> format, 2 decimal places.
> 
> Currently it is showing negative numbers as -1,234.00
> 
> How can I make this display (1,234.00)?
> 
> I know this can be done if the field is formatted as Currency, but
> the client doesn't want to see the dollar sign.
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc
> 
> 




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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.13.1325173103.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Custom Formats

Custom number formats can have one to four sections with 
semicolons (;) as the list separator. Each section contains the 
format specification for a different type of number.

Section	Description
First	The format for positive numbers.
Second	The format for negative numbers.
Third	The format for zero values.
Fourth	The format for Null values.
For example, you could use the following custom Currency 
format:

$#,##0.00[Green];($#,##0.00)[Red];"Zero";"Null"

This number format contains four sections separated by 
semicolons and uses a different format for each section.
If you use multiple sections but don't specify a format for each 
section, entries for which there is no format either will display 
nothing or will default to the formatting of the first section.

HTH,
Stephen

> I have a report that displays monetary fields with a 'Standard'
> format, 2 decimal places.
> 
> Currently it is showing negative numbers as -1,234.00
> 
> How can I make this display (1,234.00)?
> 
> I know this can be done if the field is formatted as Currency, but
> the client doesn't want to see the dollar sign.
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc
> 
> 


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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
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power I was giving my users, and make a conscious effort to prevent them
from doing things they were not authorized to do.

Cascade delete is a tool that has little or no justifiable use in the hands
of the end user.  There are simply too many scenarios where people that have
no business or understanding of the consequences, end up with the ability to
delete stuff.  Like your example, most of us use(d) it because we didn't
think about it.

There are ways around enabling it.  Queries can be built that will delete
the data. Objects can be set up that allow qualified users (supervisors) to
delete things when necessary.  And of course that is a lot of work.

Cascade delete is "free".  It's only cost is disaster in the wrong hands.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:07 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cascade-delete (was: Estimating Help)


I come a bit late to this thread (but that's not new for me).  I've tried to
follow it but it ain't always been easy.  I am using cascade delete in an
app for a client who rents audio visual equipment and am wondering if this
is good design runs afoul of anybody's catechism on the subject:

The Rental Agreement header has one to many relationship with several table
:
     Equipment to be rented (with one-to-one with a CheckIn/CheckOut table)
     Items sold at retail
     Labor
     Sub-Rental Header (with its own detail records

might be more - I forget.  So in order to delete a rental agreement (which
they want to do from time to time) either they have to go in and delete all
the detail records first, or I give them cascade delete.  They opted for
cascade delete.

I do give them a very clear warning message about what's going to be deleted
and have them confirm.

What say you all to this?

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

P.S. I though everybody was used to Colby's rhetorical style by this time.
He's been quite - well relatively - civil on this subject. Try him on the
phrases 'unbound form' and 'natural key'.  From a distance, of course. :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cascade-delete (was: Estimating Help)


> Aww grow up guys.
>
> I never said never.  I stated very plainly that if everyone has the right
to
> delete the records then it doesn't matter.  John then states (finally, in
> the last email) that this is the case.  So it doesn't matter (in this
case).
>
> So where exactly is the beef?
>
> I don't give a rat's patuty if you turn on cascade delete for every table,
> every time, in every database.  To search around struggling to find
exactly
> the instance where it is useful is a waste of everyone's time.  If it
works
> for you, and you don't get fired when records disappear who really cares.
> In any event, you can always blame the user after all.  "Hey, I warned
> them".
>
> In any case, I certainly don't care, it isn't my database, nor my job on
the
> line.  And I am not getting my users fired for not doing my job correctly.
>
> Sorry if that was "derisive" but really, look at what I said.  I was very
> very VERY clear in my statements.  And I see no reason to modify any of
> them.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>


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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
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the Access 2000 Developer?s Handbook Volume 2, I
gather that the answer is that record locking is a
function of the database. So since an ADP bypasses Jet
and goes straight through SQL Server OLE DB then it is
true record level locking when accessing the data
through a form within an ADP. So record locking when
accessing data within a MDB via another MDB is page
locking because of Jet (although I know Access 2000
and greater does allow for record locking if told to).


****Quick question on this then, if an MDB use linked
ODBC tables to access data within a SQL database is
page locking employed because it passes through Jet?

I think my confusion on record locking employed when
using an ADP was actually a result of what I was
reading in the Access 2000 Developer?s Handbook Volume
2. It covers a great deal of Client Server development
using MS Access in chapter 3. But what it doesn?t seem
to mention much about in the client server chapter is
ADP?s and how they differ from an MDB (there is some
there but not a lot). Later in the book it provides a
lot of information on ADP?s but it never really comes
out and says some of what I was looking for. It does
come out and say Optimistic locking but I didn?t get a
clear picture that it was saying true record locking.
I guess I was reading too much into it. 

If I?m mistaken please let me know but a bound form
within an ADP to a SQL2000 database will employ true
Optimistic record locking only on the current record.
So in a data entry only environment (where no one
works on the same records) there should not be much in
the manner of record locking?

To everyone who took the time to comment on this I
appreciate your assistance immensely. Thank you very
much.

Bob


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Where DateAssigned In
(Select Top 1 DateAssigned

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
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Where TerritoryID=T1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned<=[What Report Date would
you like to use?]
Order By DateAssigned DESC);
 
Good luck,
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Goetz [mailto:EricGoetz at egisystems.com]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] select most recent



Hi Gustav,

 

Thank you for taking up my question. That comes tantalizingly close. The
trouble is that with the [ManagerID] in the GROUP BY, I end up with most of
the managers that have been assigned to the territory prior to [DateSelect]
instead of just the most recent one. If a manager had been in the territory
more than once, only the most recent assignment is returned. So I do get
some filtering.

 

My sample data looks like this:

 

ManagerID  Territory ID  DateAssigned

1                  1                11/1/2002

2                  1                12/1/2002

1                  1                  1/1/2003

3                  2                  1/1/2003

4                  2                  2/1/2003

 

For a report as of 1/31/2003, I am trying to get:

 

ManagerID  Territory ID  DateAssigned

1                  1                  1/1/2003

3                  2                  1/1/2003

 

I use this:

<SQL>

SELECT 

  tblManagerAssignments.TerritoryID, 

  tblManagerAssignments.MangerID, 

  Max(tblManagerAssignments.DateAssigned) AS MaxOfDateAssigned

FROM tblManagerAssignments

WHERE (((tblManagerAssignments.DateAssigned)<=#1/31/2003#))

GROUP BY 

  tblManagerAssignments.TerritoryID, 

  tblManagerAssignments.MangerID;

</SQL>

 

I end up with this:

 

ManagerID  Territory ID  DateAssigned

2                  1                12/1/2002

1                  1                  1/1/2003

3                  2                  1/1/2003

 

I could add a [DateCancelled] field, but I just don't feel right about a
design that incorporates NULL fields. Maybe I could calculate the
[DateCancelled] field. Got any more ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Eric

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 2:16 AM
To: Eric Goetz
Subject: Re: [AccessD] select most recent

 

Hi Eric 

That could be something like: 

<SQL> 

PARAMETERS 
  DateSelect DateTime; 
SELECT 
  TerritoryID, 
  ManagerID, 
  Max(DateAssigned) AS DateAssigned 
FROM 
  tblManagerAssignments 
WHERE 
  (DateAssigned <= [DateSelect]) 
GROUP BY 
  TerritoryID, 
  ManagerID; 

</SQL> 

This, of course, assumes that a territory is assigned to a specific 
manager until assigned to another. If assignment can be cancelled 
without reassignment, you'll need to add a new field, DateCancelled, 
and add to the Where statement: 

  AND 
  (DateCancelled Is Null OR DateCancelled > [DateSelect]) 

If you wish to list territories not assigned a manager, create a query 
with all territories and an outer join to the query above; those not 
assigned will have a Null for ManagerID. Vice versa for managers 
without a territory. 

Please note that ManagerID and TerritoryID will both be foreign keys. 
And, as you note later, strip the name fields etc. from this table. 


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<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Okay, 
I built tblTest.&nbsp; It has ManagerID, TerritoryID and DateAssigned as you 
have below.&nbsp; Then I used this SQL statement to produce the results you 
want:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Select 
ManagerID, TerritoryID, DateAssigned<BR>From tblTest As T1<BR>Where DateAssigned 
In<BR>(Select Top 1 DateAssigned<BR>From tblTest<BR>Where 
TerritoryID=T1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned&lt;=[What Report Date would you like 
to use?]<BR>Order By DateAssigned DESC);</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Good 
luck,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=669003205-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Drew</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eric Goetz 
  [mailto:EricGoetz at egisystems.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 17, 2003 
  10:00 PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd at databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: 
  [AccessD] select most recent<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=Section1>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><!-- Converted from text/plain format -->Hi 
  Gustav,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thank you for taking 
  up my question. That comes tantalizingly close. The trouble is that with the 
  [ManagerID] in the GROUP BY, I end up with most of the managers that have been 
  assigned to the territory prior to [DateSelect] instead of just the most 
  recent one. If a manager had been in the territory more than once, only the 
  most recent assignment is returned. So I do get some 
  filtering.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My sample data looks 
  like this:</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ManagerID</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Territory</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> ID&nbsp; 
  DateAssigned</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  11/1/2002</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  12/1/2002</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;2/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For a report as of 
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1/31/2003</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, I am trying to 
  get:</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ManagerID</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Territory</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> ID&nbsp; 
  DateAssigned</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I use 
  this:</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&lt;SQL&gt;</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">SELECT 
  </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  tblManagerAssignments.TerritoryID, </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  tblManagerAssignments.MangerID, </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  Max(tblManagerAssignments.DateAssigned) AS MaxOfDateAssigned</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">FROM 
  tblManagerAssignments</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">WHERE 
  (((tblManagerAssignments.DateAssigned)&lt;=#1/31/2003#))</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">GROUP BY 
  </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  tblManagerAssignments.TerritoryID, </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  tblManagerAssignments.MangerID;</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&lt;/SQL&gt;</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I end up with 
  this:</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ManagerID</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp; 
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Territory</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> ID&nbsp; 
  DateAssigned</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  12/1/2002</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;1/1/2003</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I could add a 
  [DateCancelled] field, but I just don't feel right about a design that 
  incorporates NULL fields. Maybe I could calculate the [DateCancelled] field. 
  Got any more ideas?</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Eric</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
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  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original 
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Gustav 
  Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] <BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Monday, February 17, 
  2003</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">2:16 
  AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Eric Goetz<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [AccessD] select most 
  recent</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Eric</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">That could be something like:</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&lt;SQL&gt;</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">PARAMETERS</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; DateSelect DateTime;</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">SELECT</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; TerritoryID,</SPAN></FONT> 
  <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; ManagerID,</SPAN></FONT> 
  <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; Max(DateAssigned) AS 
  DateAssigned</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">FROM</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; tblManagerAssignments</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">WHERE</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; (DateAssigned &lt;= 
  [DateSelect])</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">GROUP BY </SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; TerritoryID,</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; ManagerID;</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&lt;/SQL&gt;</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This, of course, assumes that a territory is assigned 
  to a specific</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">manager until assigned to another. If assignment can 
  be cancelled</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">without reassignment, you'll need to add a new field, 
  DateCancelled,</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">and add to the Where statement:</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; AND</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; (DateCancelled Is Null OR DateCancelled &gt; 
  [DateSelect])</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">If you wish to list territories not assigned a 
  manager, create a query</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">with all territories and an outer join to the query 
  above; those not</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">assigned will have a Null for ManagerID. Vice versa 
  for managers</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">without a territory.</SPAN></FONT> </P>
  <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Please note that ManagerID and TerritoryID will both 
  be foreign keys.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">And, as you note later, strip the name fields etc. 
  from this table.</SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Where DateAssigned In
(Select Top 1 DateAssigned

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Where TerritoryID=3DT1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned<=3D[What Report Date
would you like to use?]
Order By DateAssigned DESC);

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Good luck,

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never
have come up with this, especially the part =
&#8220;TerritoryID=3DT1.TerritoryID&#8221;.
I still don&#8217;t really understand how it works. I&#8217;ve looked =
through
all my books, but it seems my library needs another book (to the =
astonishment
of my wife!) Will you please suggest a book that explains this type of =
query?</span></font></p>

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Drew Wutka
[mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [AccessD] =
select most
recent</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Okay, I built
tblTest.&nbsp; It has ManagerID, TerritoryID and DateAssigned as you =
have
below.&nbsp; Then I used this SQL statement to produce the results you =
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TerritoryID, DateAssigned<br>

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Where DateAssigned In<br>
(Select Top 1 DateAssigned<br>

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Where TerritoryID=3DT1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned&lt;=3D[What Report =
Date would
you like to use?]<br>
Order By DateAssigned DESC);</span></font></p>

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Where DateAssigned In
(Select Top 1 DateAssigned

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Where TerritoryID=T1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned<=[What Report Date would
you like to use?]
Order By DateAssigned DESC);

 

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<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Quite 
frankly I haven't touched a book about Access or even remotely computer related 
since I started using Access.&nbsp; I had a 'basic' Access book, that I used to 
figure out where to start looking in the help files, and from then on....no more 
books.&nbsp; (With one exception.&nbsp; I did check out a book on C++ this past 
summer from the library....so that's 1 book (about computer stuff) in almost 5 
years.).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It's 
not like I learn by magic, my resources are 'Trial and Error' (probably the 
biggest chunk...hehehehe), Access 97 help files (next in line), the MSDN (The 
version I have is what came with Access 2000 Developer's edition...3 CD's, 
plenty of stuff), then a lot of online resources, like the List, The Access Web 
(<A href="http://mvps.org/Access">http://mvps.org/Access</A>), 
comp.databases.ms-access (though that has gone down hill a bit lately), and 
lately Woody's lounge.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Lately 
I have been doing more 'contributing' then asking, but I learn just as much as I 
contribute from just reading other posts.&nbsp; For example, the proposed 
solution I gave you is something I have never done in any of my own 
projects.&nbsp; It just so happens that I had a post on a similar issue on 
Woody's lounge, that i solved using the subquery method...which is something I 
just remember reading about somewhere (can't remember where to be truthful), so 
I looked it up in Access 97's help files, and whalla.&nbsp; Right after I posted 
to the lounge, I read your last post, so I posted a modified version for 
you.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I am 
not recommending that you forsake 'book knowledge', I just can't give you any 
good titles.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=184260622-18022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Drew</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eric Goetz 
  [mailto:EricGoetz at egisystems.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 18, 2003 
  12:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd at databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: 
  [AccessD] select most recent<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=Section1>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi 
  Drew,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wow! It's like magic. 
  I would never have come up with this, especially the part 
  "TerritoryID=T1.TerritoryID". I still don't really understand how it works. 
  I've looked through all my books, but it seems my library needs another book 
  (to the astonishment of my wife!) Will you please suggest a book that explains 
  this type of query?</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Eric</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original 
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Drew Wutka 
  [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] <BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Monday, February 17, 
  2003</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">9:33 
  PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 
  'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [AccessD] select most 
  recent</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Okay, I 
  built tblTest.&nbsp; It has ManagerID, TerritoryID and DateAssigned as you 
  have below.&nbsp; Then I used this SQL statement to produce the results you 
  want:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Select 
  ManagerID, TerritoryID, DateAssigned<BR>From tblTest As T1<BR>Where 
  DateAssigned In<BR>(Select Top 1 DateAssigned<BR>From tblTest<BR>Where 
  TerritoryID=T1.TerritoryID And DateAssigned&lt;=[What Report Date would you 
  like to use?]<BR>Order By DateAssigned DESC);</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Good 
  luck,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Drew</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">
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that resets it to True in your error handler.

/gustav



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that resets it to True in your error handler.

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that resets it to True in your error handler.

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resets it to True in your error handler.

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resets it to True in your error handler.

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surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



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surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.33.1325173133.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.34.1325173133.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.35.1325173133.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.36.1325173133.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk






From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.37.1325173133.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.38.1325173133.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.39.1325173133.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.40.1325173133.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.41.1325173134.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and<br>
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.<br>
<br>
<br>
He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.<br>
<br>
<br>
The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry<br>
them in hot grease.<br>
<br>
<br>
Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the<br>
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left<br>
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at<br>
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.<br>
<br>
<br>
The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.<br>
on a Dr Pepper can.<br>
<br>
<br>
John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had<br>
also never met.<br>
<br>
<br>
The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of<br>
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.<br>
<br>
<br>
The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.<br>
<br>
<br>
He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East<br>
River.<br>
<br>
<br>
Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one<br>
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.<br>
<br>
<br>
The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this<br>
plan just might work.<br>
<br>
<br>
The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating<br>
for a while.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell<br>
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.<br>
<br>
<br>
She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just<br>
before it throws up.<br>
<br>
<br>
It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever<br>
seen before.<br>
<br>
<br>
The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg<br>
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.<br>
<br>
<br>
It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with<br>
power tools.<br>
<br>
<br>
She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.<br>
<br>
<br>
She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was<br>
room-temperature beef.<br>
<br>
<br>
She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.<br>
<br>
<br>
It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to<br>
the wall.<br>
<br>
<br>
Andy Lacey<br>
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<br>
<br>
His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like<br>
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.<br>
<br>
<br>
He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy<br>
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those<br>
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at<br>
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one<br>
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.<br>
<br>
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The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling<br>
ball wouldn't.<br>
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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
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surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and<br>
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.<br>
<br>
<br>
He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.<br>
<br>
<br>
The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry<br>
them in hot grease.<br>
<br>
<br>
Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the<br>
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left<br>
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at<br>
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.<br>
<br>
<br>
The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.<br>
on a Dr Pepper can.<br>
<br>
<br>
John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had<br>
also never met.<br>
<br>
<br>
The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of<br>
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.<br>
<br>
<br>
The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.<br>
<br>
<br>
He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East<br>
River.<br>
<br>
<br>
Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one<br>
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.<br>
<br>
<br>
The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this<br>
plan just might work.<br>
<br>
<br>
The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating<br>
for a while.<br>
<br>
<br>
Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell<br>
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.<br>
<br>
<br>
She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just<br>
before it throws up.<br>
<br>
<br>
It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever<br>
seen before.<br>
<br>
<br>
The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg<br>
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.<br>
<br>
<br>
It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with<br>
power tools.<br>
<br>
<br>
She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.<br>
<br>
<br>
She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was<br>
room-temperature beef.<br>
<br>
<br>
She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.<br>
<br>
<br>
It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to<br>
the wall.<br>
<br>
<br>
Andy Lacey<br>
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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
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surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
Click to bookmark this address http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

Analogies and Metaphors Found in School Essays, stupid but funny:


His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.


He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at
high schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one
of those boxes with a pinhole in it.


The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.44.1325173134.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and
"Jeopardy" comes on at 7:00 pm instead of 7:30.


Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.


Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the centre.


Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.


He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.


The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.


Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. travelling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at
4:19 p.m. at a speed of 35 mph.


The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the full stop after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.


John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had
also never met.


The thunder was ominous sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.


The red brick wall was the colour of a brick-red crayon.


He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.


Even in his last years, Grandpa had a mind like a steel trap, only one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut.


The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this
plan just might work.


The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a while.


Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.


It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.


The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.


It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power tools.


She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.


She grew on him like she was a colony of E. coli and he was
room-temperature beef.


She walked into my office like a centipede with 98 missing legs.


It hurt - the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to
the wall.


Andy Lacey
Click to bookmark this address http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
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There are two kinds of strings: variable-length and fixed-length strings.
A variable-length string can contain up to approximately 2 billion (2^31)
characters.
A fixed-length string can contain 1 to approximately 64K (2^16) characters.

In a application I use a text file is placed into a string variable defined
by
Public myString as String.

 I was under the impression that this line defined a variable length
string, but ran into a text file of approximately 5mb. This file would not
fit. The file contains less than 100k characters. So I asked around the
office and was told that actually the variable length string with 2bill
char limit referenced here is for VB only, and that VBA has a hard limit of
64K chars.

The actual error is:
Run Time Error 14: (out of string space)

Can anyone confirm this, or have any thoughts on the subject?



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.46.1325173139.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

There are two kinds of strings: variable-length and fixed-length strings.
A variable-length string can contain up to approximately 2 billion (2^31)
characters.
A fixed-length string can contain 1 to approximately 64K (2^16) characters.

In a application I use a text file is placed into a string variable defined
by
Public myString as String.

 I was under the impression that this line defined a variable length
string, but ran into a text file of approximately 5mb. This file would not
fit. The file contains less than 100k characters. So I asked around the
office and was told that actually the variable length string with 2bill
char limit referenced here is for VB only, and that VBA has a hard limit of
64K chars.

The actual error is:
Run Time Error 14: (out of string space)

Can anyone confirm this, or have any thoughts on the subject?

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.47.1325173143.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>


Error 49: "Bad DLL calling convention" can occur for no apparent reason. 
Sometimes commenting the code where the error occurs, compiling, then 
uncommenting that code, and recompile again fixes this problem, at least for a 
while.  However other times only a /decompile will fix this problem.


Martin

Quoting Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>:

> This problem has been haunting us ever since we started working with
> Windows 2000 but it really annoys in Windows XP.  I wasn't able to
> track
> it down in Access 97 and I still can't in Access XP, but at least I
> can
> see it now.  I realize it has to be related to a declared function but
> I
> can't see that any of them we use in reattaching tables is passing the
> wrong kind of parameter.  Has anyone else tackled and solved this?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.48.1325173143.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

gets an object pointer to the correct printer, and 
	Set Application.Printer = prt
then activates that printer as the new application default.

Kind of like getting a record bookmark and then resetting it back when
you're done.

Seth

On Fri, 2003-02-28 at 09:26, Susan Harkins wrote:
> OK, wait a minute -- apparently, I'm missing a gear or two.
> 
> Dim prt As Access.Printer
> Set prt = Application.Printers(lngPrinter)
> 
> isn't the same as
> 
> Set Application.Printer = prt
> 
> ????
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike and Doris Manning" <mikedorism at ntelos.net>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:14 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] more on printing
> 
> 
> > Your problem is that you haven't actually changed the default printer.
> You
> > need to add the line below just before you open the report.
> >
> > Set Application.Printer = prt
> >
> > And it is strongly recommended that you hold the default printer somewhere
> > so you can easily switch it back to being the default.
> >
> > Doris Manning
> > Database Administrator
> > Hargrove Inc.
> > www.hargroveinc.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:07 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] more on printing
> >
> >
> > OK, I've done that.
> >
> > Dim prt As Access.Printer
> > Dim strReport As String
> > Dim strPrinter As String
> > Dim lngPrinter As Long
> > lngPrinter = cboPrinter
> > strReport = cboReport
> > Set prt = Application.Printers(lngPrinter)
> > prt.Orientation = fraOrientation
> > prt.Copies = txtCopies
> > prt.PaperSize = cboPaperSize
> > DoCmd.OpenReport strReport, acViewNormal
> >
> > Now, I've installed a few printers, but I only actually have one and the
> > above always sends to the actual (default) printer, even if I select one
> of
> > the others -- I expected an error. In addition, if I do a preview, I don't
> > see the changes in orientation, etc. that I might have selected. So, I'm
> > doing something wrong. I'm wondering if Access is smart enough to know I
> > don't really have that printer connected, and so it just ignores
> everything
> > -- but then, I'd still expect an error.
> >
> > Thanks for your help Doris.
> > Susan H.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike and Doris Manning" <mikedorism at ntelos.net>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 8:37 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] more on printing
> >
> >
> > > Once you change the Application.Printer, you open and print the report
> > just
> > > like you normally would.
> > >
> > > Doris Manning
> > > Database Administrator
> > > Hargrove Inc.
> > > www.hargroveinc.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:34 PM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] more on printing
> > >
> > >
> > > After setting all the appropriate Printer properties and choosing a
> > > nondefault printer, how do you actually print a report? Will the
> > OpenReport
> > > method print to the set printer or always print to the default
> > > printer?
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.49.1325173144.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

The catapults on carriers are tested by shooting a heavy steel device =
off
the deck.  This device has wheels, is about the size of a VW bug, and =
just
like a VW, it floats (so it can be retrieved and used again).  This test =
is
usually done in a shipyard after the water area in front of the carrier =
is
cleared and 'quarantined'.

Dan

>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]=20
> Sent:	Friday, February 28, 2003 11:47 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] OT: for Friday - the fine art of anvil
> shooting
>=20
> http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_carrier
>=20
> Aircraft carriers have two basic configurations. The most common has a
> flat top deck that serves as a take-off and landing area for =
airplanes. A
> steam-powered catapult accelerates an aircraft under full throttle, =
from 0
> to 165 mph in 2 seconds during take-off to help it reach take-off =
speed.=20
>=20
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:30 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: for Friday - the fine art of anvil shooting
>=20
>=20
> The US Navy's Aircraft carriers (at least most of them), have a steam
> powered catapult system.  It is an extremely powerful mechanism, which
> launches a jet from a stand still to speeds close to several hundred =
miles
> an hour (don't know the exact specs off the top of my head....) in a
> distance of probably less then 100 feet.
>=20
> I personally have never seen proof, but rumors abound that all sorts =
of
> things have been used to 'test' those catapults.  (I've heard of vw =
bugs,
> and various other 'heavy' objects).
>=20
> Drew
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Whittinghill [mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:34 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: for Friday - the fine art of anvil shooting
>=20
>=20
> That's great!  Once on TV I saw this story about this old British
> landowner
> whose hobby is hurling objects from his giant catapult.  They showed =
him
> launching a Volkswagen and a burning piano.  His dream is to one day =
get a
> catapult powerful enough to throw a double decker bus.  Great fun!
>=20
>=20
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> Minneapolis, Minnesota
> Email: mark at symphonyinfo.com
> Phone: 612-333-1311
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Seth Galitzer" <sgsax at ksu.edu>
> To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:34 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: for Friday - the fine art of anvil shooting
>=20
>=20
> > Been chuckling at this today.  It's almost too funny to believe.
> >
> > Detailed info and history
> > http://ncollier.com/anvils.htm
> >
> > Good pictures of actual shooting
> > http://members.sockets.net/~mbollinger/
> >
> > The funny part is that they are so serious about it.
> >
> > Happy Friday!
> >
> > Seth
> >
> > --
> > Seth Galitzer sgsax at ksu.edu
> > Computing Specialist http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
> > Dept. of Plant Pathology
> > Kansas State University
> >
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.50.1325173146.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

in the mix, is if and how, they would use Domain security?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 3:48 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Server Needed



I was reading some threads that suggested that a Linux box might be used as
the server. I have no idea how to configure this. Boxes a-f hit a server
which hitherto has been a winX box. If have read the thread correctly, I can
subst a Linux box for any given server in the farm. Small company, say 4
servers. Can I build server Documents as a Linux box and hit it from the
numerous WinX boxes like they didn't even know it was a Linux server? I tend
to stay at one level, so forgive me if my questions reveal much ignorance.
Could I put a huge number of documents mostly media and DWMX &c. files on a
Linux box and transparently hit them from a local inst of DWMX, say, running
on winXP and having no idea that the server in question is running Mandrake
9.x? Is this true? If so, way cool! And how do I build it?

 

If so, how far can one push this scenario? Could an Access MDB live on a
Linux server and be accessible from x, y and z users on win98, 2K and XP?
I'm not an OS-level guy, hence these questions :-)

 

Arthur

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: March 3, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Server Needed

 

Rocky, it is a common misconception that you need a rocking CPU for a
server.  That is absolutely not true.  There are a few 'purposes' of a
server, and not all of them require massive processor speeds, or tons of
memory.

 

1 - File Sharing

2 - Domain Control

3 - Network 'Service' Server (Proxy, Email Server, Web Server, etc).

4 - Server Computing (Hard data crunching)

5 - Server Side databases.

 

You need to realize the real limiting factors on a server.  First is network
bandwidth.  a 100 megabit line is roughly 12 megabytes per second.  That is
not a lot.  It is a fraction of the speed of a typical IDE drive.  If you go
to a gigabit line, then you have a much larger data transfer rate (10x, so
you are talking roughly 120 megabytes per second...which is faster then your
typical IDE drive, but it is still less then a SCSI Raid configuration).
So, if you are just setting up file transfers, then you don't need much of a
machine to do it.  It can have minimal CPU Speed (even Pentium or Pentium
II....though I personally wouldn't go lower then a Pentium III to be on the
safe side), and memory doesn't have to be whopping (256 megs would do).
This is because the file sharing is going to be slower then actual file
usage used locally (do to the pipe the data is going through).  A faster CPU
or more memory isn't going to push the data through faster.

 

Domain Controllers don't need to be whoppers either.  I think we are running
a Pentium II (desktop) for a Primary Domain Controller here.  No problems.
It doesn't have to do all that much as far as processing goes.

 

Network services.  Well, it depends.  We run everything but our mail server
on Pentium III desktops.  (Proxy, web, intranet, etc.).  It all runs fine.
Again, it is going to boil down to the network tunnel involved.  With a
webserver, a common misconception is that you need to have a huge machine to
handle massive transactions.  Absolutely not true.  In a web server, you
have an even smaller pipe (we have a T1 here), so the data is being sent
through an even slower connection.  Now, if you have a lot of Server Side
scripting, where the server is creating pages on the fly, then you do need a
decent CPU, and the more ram you have, the more pages that are 'cached'.
But again, you don't need a Cray.  Email servers can require a bit more
power though.  We use an Exchange Server.  It's got a dual processor, with 2
gigs of RAM.  The real catch is how heavy it is used internally.  (for in
house comms).

 

Server Computing.  This is where the most power is needed.  There are
software packages out there that use server CPU time pretty heavily.  For
example, we have a package called FlowTherm, and FlowStress.  These packages
perform massive heat calculations, over and over and over.  If you run this
software on a server, obviously the more CPU and memory you have the better.

 

Server Side Databases.  You do need power on these.  But again, you are
limitted by your network speed.  However, your processor is going to do a
lot of work independant of the network traffic, so it probably should be
pretty fast, with lots of memory to boot.

 

Just my two cents.

 

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 12:06 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Server Needed

Dear List:

 

Excuse the OT please but I know someone will know the answer:

 

I have a client who wants to upgrade the server on his network.  There's
about 10 seats on his network, of which maybe 6 are being used.  Seems to me
that he could use any good, fast P4 box with 1/2 gig of RAM , etc.  Which is
well under $1000 these days from dell, or gateway, with three years on-site.

 

A local, old, fairly reputable company in San Diego - Datel - is quoting him
$1457 for and Intel entry level server with a P4 (speed unknown), 512MB RAM,
80GB HD, with DUAL LAN RAID - whatever that is.  Plus another $775 for "WIN
2000 SVR W/5 CLIENT SP3 OEM-CD".  Plus something between 5 and 10 hours of
installation charged at a price unspecified in the quote.

 

Right now his "server" is an old Win98 box, slow, but effective.

 

My question is, what is the difference between a box that someone like Dell
calls a server and an ordinary computer?  Does he need a server?

 

MTIA,

 

Rocky

 


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<DIV><SPAN class=088510522-03032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>From 
what I know yes.&nbsp; What I would like to know about using Linux servers in 
the mix, is if and how, they would use Domain security?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=088510522-03032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=088510522-03032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Drew</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Arthur Fuller 
  [mailto:artful at rogers.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 03, 2003 3:48 
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd at databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [AccessD] 
  OT: Server Needed<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=Section1>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was reading some 
  threads that suggested that a Linux box might be used as the server. I have no 
  idea how to configure this. Boxes a-f hit a server which hitherto has been a 
  winX box. If have read the thread correctly, I can subst a Linux box for any 
  given server in the farm. Small company, say 4 servers. Can I build server 
  Documents as a Linux box and hit it from the numerous WinX boxes like they 
  didn't even know it was a Linux server? I tend to stay at one level, so 
  forgive me if my questions reveal much ignorance. Could I put a huge number of 
  documents mostly media and DWMX &amp;c. files on a Linux box and transparently 
  hit them from a local inst of DWMX, say, running on winXP and having no idea 
  that the server in question is running Mandrake 9.x? Is this true? If so, way 
  cool! And how do I build it?</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If so, how far can 
  one push this scenario? Could an Access MDB live on a Linux server and be 
  accessible from x, y and z users on win98, 2K and XP? I'm not an OS-level guy, 
  hence these questions </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=navy 
  size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Arthur</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original 
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> 
  accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] 
  <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Drew 
  Wutka<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> March 3, 2003 
  10:20 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 
  'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [AccessD] OT: Server 
  Needed</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Rocky, 
  it is a common misconception that you need a rocking CPU for a server.&nbsp; 
  That is absolutely not true.&nbsp; There are a few 'purposes' of a server, and 
  not all of them require massive processor speeds, or tons of 
  memory.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1 
  -&nbsp;File Sharing</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2 - 
  Domain Control</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3 - 
  Network 'Service' Server (Proxy, Email Server, Web Server, 
  etc).</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">4 - 
  Server Computing (Hard data crunching)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">5 - 
  Server Side databases.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You need 
  to realize the real limiting factors on a server.&nbsp; First is network 
  bandwidth.&nbsp; a 100 megabit line is roughly 12 megabytes per second.&nbsp; 
  That is not a lot.&nbsp; It is a fraction of the speed of a typical IDE 
  drive.&nbsp; If you go to a gigabit line, then you have a much larger data 
  transfer rate (10x, so you are talking roughly 120 megabytes per 
  second...which is faster then your typical IDE drive, but it is still less 
  then a SCSI Raid configuration).&nbsp; So, if you are just setting up file 
  transfers, then you don't need much of a machine to do it.&nbsp; It can have 
  minimal CPU Speed (even Pentium or Pentium II....though I personally wouldn't 
  go lower then a Pentium III to be on the safe side), and memory doesn't have 
  to be whopping (256 megs would do).&nbsp; This is because the file sharing is 
  going to be slower then actual file usage used locally (do to the pipe the 
  data is going through).&nbsp; A faster CPU or more memory isn't going to push 
  the data through faster.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Domain 
  Controllers don't need to be whoppers either.&nbsp; I think we are running a 
  Pentium II (desktop)&nbsp;for a Primary Domain Controller here.&nbsp; No 
  problems.&nbsp; It doesn't have to do all that much as far as processing 
  goes.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Network 
  services.&nbsp; Well, it depends.&nbsp; We run everything but our mail server 
  on Pentium III desktops.&nbsp; (Proxy, web, intranet, etc.).&nbsp; It all runs 
  fine.&nbsp; Again, it is going to boil down to the network tunnel 
  involved.&nbsp; With a webserver, a common misconception is that you need to 
  have a huge machine to handle massive transactions.&nbsp; Absolutely not 
  true.&nbsp; In a web server, you have an even smaller pipe (we have a T1 
  here), so the data is being sent through an even slower connection.&nbsp; Now, 
  if you have a lot of Server Side scripting, where the server is creating pages 
  on the fly, then you do need a decent CPU, and the more ram you have, the more 
  pages that are 'cached'.&nbsp; But again, you don't need a Cray.&nbsp; Email 
  servers can require a bit more power though.&nbsp; We use an Exchange 
  Server.&nbsp; It's got a dual processor, with 2 gigs of RAM.&nbsp; The real 
  catch is how heavy it is used internally.&nbsp; (for in house 
  comms).</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Server 
  Computing.&nbsp; This is where the most power is needed.&nbsp; There are 
  software packages out there that use server CPU time pretty heavily.&nbsp; For 
  example, we have a package called FlowTherm, and FlowStress.&nbsp; These 
  packages perform massive heat calculations, over and over and over.&nbsp; If 
  you run this software on a server, obviously the more CPU and memory you have 
  the better.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Server 
  Side Databases.&nbsp; You do need power on these.&nbsp; But again, you are 
  limitted by your network speed.&nbsp; However, your processor is going to do a 
  lot of work independant of the network traffic, so it probably should be 
  pretty fast, with lots of memory to boot.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just my 
  two cents.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Drew</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm">
    <P class=MsoNormal 
    style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm"><FONT 
    face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original 
    Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Rocky 
    Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]<BR><B><SPAN 
    style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, March 02, 2003 12:06 
    AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 
    AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<BR><B><SPAN 
    style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [AccessD] OT: Server 
    Needed</SPAN></FONT></P>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dear 
    List:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Excuse the OT please but I know 
    someone will know the answer:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have a client who wants to 
    upgrade the server on his network.&nbsp; There's about 10 seats on his 
    network, of which maybe 6 are being used.&nbsp; Seems to me that he could 
    use any good, fast P4 box with 1/2 gig of RAM , etc.&nbsp; Which is well 
    under $1000 these days from dell, or gateway, with three years 
    on-site.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A local, old, fairly reputable 
    company in San Diego - Datel - is quoting him $1457 for and Intel entry 
    level server with a P4 (speed unknown), 512MB RAM, 80GB HD, with DUAL LAN 
    RAID - whatever that is.&nbsp; Plus another $775 for "WIN 2000 SVR W/5 
    CLIENT SP3 OEM-CD".&nbsp; Plus something between 5 and 10 hours of 
    installation charged at a price unspecified in the 
    quote.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Right now his "server" is an old 
    Win98 box, slow, but effective.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My question is, what is the 
    difference between a box that someone like Dell calls a server and an 
    ordinary computer?&nbsp; Does he need a server?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MTIA,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Rocky</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=3><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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just an answer.  8-(

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Using Outlook second or third email address



John, 

Are you doing this from the interface or from code?  If you're doing it from
code, you should be able to dump the addresses into an array and pick one.
If you're doing it from the interface, then is this an OT thread?

Charlotte Foust 

	 -----Original Message----- 
From:   accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com [
<mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com>
mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]  On Behalf Of John W. Colby 
Sent:   Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:59 PM 
To:     accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject:        RE: [AccessD] Using Outlook second or third email address 

	I understand that, and I have some people for example that have
three email addresses.  Now I want to send an email to the second email
address for this person.  How do I do that?

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[  <mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On>
mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Porter, Mark 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:43 PM 
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Using Outlook second or third email address 


	There is a drop-down button between the email label and text box,
this gives 
you selections (email 1,2,3).  Whichever one is selected will determine 
which email slot the email address will occupy.  

	Mark 


	-----Original Message----- 
From: John W. Colby [  <mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:30 PM 
To: AccessD 
Subject: [AccessD] Using Outlook second or third email address 


	Outlook allows you to store three email addresses for a contact.
However I 
cannot figure out how to use anything except the first address.  Even if I 
select the second or third to display when the contact is open, the address 
when selected still uses the first.  does anyone know how to use the second 
or third address? 

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class=812075713-05032003>John,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=812075713-05032003>Is 
there any way you can supress the graphic that attaches itself to your 
messages?&nbsp; Every time I open one of your messages, my company firewall 
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  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> John W. Colby 
  [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 04, 2003 
  6:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd at databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> 
  [AccessD] OT: Using Outlook second or third email address<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=904062200-05032003>From 
  interface.&nbsp; It is indeed off topic.&nbsp; I wasn't interested in a 
  thread, just an answer.&nbsp; 8-(</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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    [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Charlotte 
    Foust<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:10 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 
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    <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>John,</FONT> </P>
    <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Are you doing this from 
    the interface or from code?&nbsp; If you're doing it from code, you should 
    be able to dump the addresses into an array and pick one.&nbsp; If you're 
    doing it from the interface, then is this an OT thread?</FONT></P>
    <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Charlotte Foust</FONT> 
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      <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is a drop-down button between the email 
      label and text box, this gives</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>you 
      selections (email 1,2,3).&nbsp; Whichever one is selected will 
      determine</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>which email slot the email 
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      <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mark</FONT> </P><BR>
      <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT 
      face=Arial size=2>From: John W. Colby [</FONT><A 
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.52.1325173151.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

answer.

So I guess I Ghost it first, test it, dink around, dink around...

If I find any absolute answers I'll let you all know.

JB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:22 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] multiple version of the ODE tools


Does anyone know if there is a problem with installing multiple version of
the ODE tools on the same PC?

 Specifically 97 and 2k for now.

TIA
JB


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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
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The Nz method of the data source control is suppose to replace Null
values with a zero (0) or some other specified value. However, the
method does not replace Null values as expected.

And ...

Although the Nz Method is correctly documented in Microsoft Script
Editor Help, it does not function as expected

However, the article doesn't explain what it *DOES* do--that unexpected
behavior.  

I've never had any problems with Nz, so I can't agree with your "flaky"
assessment.  It works for me, yet the article says it "does not function
as expected".  Maybe I have different expectations?

Charlotte Foust



-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:43 AM
To: Charlotte Foust
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Nz function in Access 2002


Hi Charlotte

> I ran across an MSKB article today 
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;295619 that 
> says the Nz function works in 2002 but it may not work as expected!
Say
> what??   It works, but it doesn't?

How can you read that from the article? It reads:

<quote>

The Nz method of the data source control is supposed to replace Null
values with a zero (0) or some other specified value. However, the
method does not replace Null values as expected.   

</quote>

So it doesn't work in A2002.

However, Nz() has always been flaky - to quote myself from 12. May
2002: 

<quote>

Did you know that - when used to return an expression in a query -
Nz() always returns a string even if it is supposed not to do so?

Like this:
    Expr1: Nz([fldNumeric])
or:
    Expr1: Nz([fldNumeric], 0)

If you need a numeric value, you'll have to wrap it in Int():

    NumExpr1: Int(Nz([fldNumeric]))

Even if fldNumeric is a long, this will return a long when fldNumeric is
not Null but an integer for Null. If you wish a long in any case, the
zero for Null values for some reason must be present:

    NumExpr1: Int(Nz([fldNumeric], 0))

Alternatively, Nz() can be replaced with the good old IIf()
construction:

    NumExpr1: IIf(IsNull([fldNumeric]), 0,[fldNumeric])

This is tested for Access 95, 97 and 2000. Don't know about 2002.

</quote>

/gustav


> Has anyone run into this?  Nz isn't always the most appropriate 
> function, but I've never seen it fail, at least not that I knew about.

> We use this a lot, and I'm concerned about migrating our apps from 97 
> to 2002 and having a lot of code fall over.  I wondered if it could be

> the result of not passing in the optional argument, but the article 
> seemed rather vague to me.  Does anyone else have first-hand knowledge

> of the problem?

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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
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John	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Jill	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Bill	Pontiac	Grand Am
Joe	Chevy	Camaro
Tami	Dodge	Intrepid
Dave	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Mike	Pontiac	Grand Am
Jeff	Chevy	Camaro
Mary	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Kim	Pontiac	Grand Am


I want it to give me:

Pontiac Grand Prix	4
Pontiac Grand Am	3
Chevy Camaro	2
Dodge Intrepid	1


If it makes a difference, the car make and the model are in a table
that is linked to the main table, where the name would be, by a number
(PK). For instance, Pontiac Grand Prix would be represented in John's
record with a 10 maybe.

And, to muck up things worse (although I hope not), this list of cars
is might change (i.e. next year there might be a Ford Focus, and maybe
there won't be something that is there now.).

Thanks for any help you may be able to give. This is a continuation of
my last post (Counting "unknown" fields), and I am so close to pumping
this program out...I just need to finish this and another problem that I
have already done previously...with the list's help of course.

Take care!

John W Clark


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.55.1325173152.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

John	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Jill	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Bill	Pontiac	Grand Am
Joe	Chevy	Camaro
Tami	Dodge	Intrepid
Dave	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Mike	Pontiac	Grand Am
Jeff	Chevy	Camaro
Mary	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Kim	Pontiac	Grand Am


I want it to give me:

Pontiac Grand Prix	4
Pontiac Grand Am	3
Chevy Camaro	2
Dodge Intrepid	1


If it makes a difference, the car make and the model are in a table
that is linked to the main table, where the name would be, by a number
(PK). For instance, Pontiac Grand Prix would be represented in John's
record with a 10 maybe.

And, to muck up things worse (although I hope not), this list of cars
is might change (i.e. next year there might be a Ford Focus, and maybe
there won't be something that is there now.).

Thanks for any help you may be able to give. This is a continuation of
my last post (Counting "unknown" fields), and I am so close to pumping
this program out...I just need to finish this and another problem that I
have already done previously...with the list's help of course.

Take care!

John W Clark
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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
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John	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Jill	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Bill	Pontiac	Grand Am
Joe	Chevy	Camaro
Tami	Dodge	Intrepid
Dave	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Mike	Pontiac	Grand Am
Jeff	Chevy	Camaro
Mary	Pontiac	Grand Prix
Kim	Pontiac	Grand Am


I want it to give me:

Pontiac Grand Prix	4
Pontiac Grand Am	3
Chevy Camaro	2
Dodge Intrepid	1


If it makes a difference, the car make and the model are in a table
that is linked to the main table, where the name would be, by a number
(PK). For instance, Pontiac Grand Prix would be represented in John's
record with a 10 maybe.

And, to muck up things worse (although I hope not), this list of cars
is might change (i.e. next year there might be a Ford Focus, and maybe
there won't be something that is there now.).

Thanks for any help you may be able to give. This is a continuation of
my last post (Counting "unknown" fields), and I am so close to pumping
this program out...I just need to finish this and another problem that
I
have already done previously...with the list's help of course.

Take care!

John W Clark
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
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Couls you give me the sql for Year and Year+1.

Maybe then i undersatnd things better.

Greetings

Pedro






----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Pedro Janssen" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] first five dates per year


> Hi Pedro
>
> > Drew Wutka his query is working (Thanks for that Drew), but you were
right
> > it is very slow. For 10000 records it almost takes 20 minutes.
> > You gave me a unionquery that i can't seem to work. Maybe i don't
understand
> > the fields in your query and what do you mean with:
>
> >> If you know the maximum number of years to list, you can create a
> >> union query like this where Year is the first year to list:
>
> > Could you explain a little more.
>
> Sure. In addition to the correct comments of Drew, here is the union
> query which collects data from maximum three years. If you need more
> years, simply insert more "Union Select ..." sections where you for
> each section increase by 1 the number to add to Year.
>
> <SQL>
>
> PARAMETERS
>   Year Short;
> SELECT TOP 5
>   Year AS Year5,
>   ID
> FROM
>   tblTrans
> WHERE
>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year],1,1)
> UNION
> SELECT TOP 5
>   Year+1 AS Year5,
>   ID
> FROM
>   tblTrans
> WHERE
>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+1,1,1)
> UNION
> SELECT TOP 5
>   Year+2 AS Year5,
>   ID
> FROM
>   tblTrans
> WHERE
>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+2,1,1)
> ORDER BY
>   Year5,
>   ID;
>
> </SQL>
>
> You will, of course, have to change the names of table and fields to
> those of your table.
>
> /gustav
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: "Pedro Janssen" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] first five dates per year
>
>
> >> Hi Pedro
> >>
> >> > I have a table with 10000 records. I would like to filter out, by
> >> > query, the first 5 or 10 dates per different years.
> >> > Is this possible.
> >>
> >> For a large table the use of a subquery may be painfully or even
> >> unacceptably slow.
> >> If you know the maximum number of years to list, you can create a
> >> union query like this where Year is the first year to list:
> >>
> >> <SQL>
> >>
> >> PARAMETERS
> >>   Year Short;
> >> SELECT TOP 5
> >>   Year AS Year5,
> >>   ID
> >> FROM
> >>   tblTrans
> >> WHERE
> >>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year],1,1)
> >> UNION
> >> SELECT TOP 5
> >>   Year+1 AS Year5,
> >>   ID
> >> FROM
> >>   tblTrans
> >> WHERE
> >>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+1,1,1)
> >>
> >>   ... <add more sections as needed>
> >>
> >> UNION
> >> SELECT TOP 5
> >>   Year+n AS Year5,
> >>   ID
> >> FROM
> >>   tblTrans
> >> WHERE
> >>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+n,1,1)
> >> ORDER BY
> >>   Year5,
> >>   ID;
> >>
> >> </SQL>
>
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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
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Couls you give me the sql for Year and Year+1.

Maybe then i undersatnd things better.

Greetings

Pedro






----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Pedro Janssen" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] first five dates per year


> Hi Pedro
>
> > Drew Wutka his query is working (Thanks for that Drew), but you were
right
> > it is very slow. For 10000 records it almost takes 20 minutes.
> > You gave me a unionquery that i can't seem to work. Maybe i don't
understand
> > the fields in your query and what do you mean with:
>
> >> If you know the maximum number of years to list, you can create a
> >> union query like this where Year is the first year to list:
>
> > Could you explain a little more.
>
> Sure. In addition to the correct comments of Drew, here is the union
> query which collects data from maximum three years. If you need more
> years, simply insert more "Union Select ..." sections where you for
> each section increase by 1 the number to add to Year.
>
> <SQL>
>
> PARAMETERS
>   Year Short;
> SELECT TOP 5
>   Year AS Year5,
>   ID
> FROM
>   tblTrans
> WHERE
>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year],1,1)
> UNION
> SELECT TOP 5
>   Year+1 AS Year5,
>   ID
> FROM
>   tblTrans
> WHERE
>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+1,1,1)
> UNION
> SELECT TOP 5
>   Year+2 AS Year5,
>   ID
> FROM
>   tblTrans
> WHERE
>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+2,1,1)
> ORDER BY
>   Year5,
>   ID;
>
> </SQL>
>
> You will, of course, have to change the names of table and fields to
> those of your table.
>
> /gustav
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: "Pedro Janssen" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] first five dates per year
>
>
> >> Hi Pedro
> >>
> >> > I have a table with 10000 records. I would like to filter out, by
> >> > query, the first 5 or 10 dates per different years.
> >> > Is this possible.
> >>
> >> For a large table the use of a subquery may be painfully or even
> >> unacceptably slow.
> >> If you know the maximum number of years to list, you can create a
> >> union query like this where Year is the first year to list:
> >>
> >> <SQL>
> >>
> >> PARAMETERS
> >>   Year Short;
> >> SELECT TOP 5
> >>   Year AS Year5,
> >>   ID
> >> FROM
> >>   tblTrans
> >> WHERE
> >>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year],1,1)
> >> UNION
> >> SELECT TOP 5
> >>   Year+1 AS Year5,
> >>   ID
> >> FROM
> >>   tblTrans
> >> WHERE
> >>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+1,1,1)
> >>
> >>   ... <add more sections as needed>
> >>
> >> UNION
> >> SELECT TOP 5
> >>   Year+n AS Year5,
> >>   ID
> >> FROM
> >>   tblTrans
> >> WHERE
> >>   DateTrans >= DateSerial([Year]+n,1,1)
> >> ORDER BY
> >>   Year5,
> >>   ID;
> >>
> >> </SQL>
>
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.59.1325173154.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

forms makes things simpler for you, but not the user, I don't know -- on the
other hand, some forms really do try to do too much and subsequent forms can
keep the user on track.

Susan H.


> For about a decade I have worked on the principle that the same form can
> handle displays, inserts and updates.
> Lately I have been experimenting, and my tentative conclusions are that I
> have been wrong for a decade; that a better approach is to have a
reead-only
> navigation form of some sort, containing an edit button, which does not
flip
> flags in the current form but rather loads an frmEditMyDataSource form
> specifically designed for insert or edit.
>
> In this model, no single form contains the logic for multiple operations.
> Rather, one designs forms for Insert and Edit separately. The behaviours
are
> radically different. Why complicate the logic of one form by injecting two
> purposes?
>
> I'm not throwing this out as a definitive conclusion, but merely one of my
> regular queries (select * from projects where decision_certainty < .8).
> I have coded innumerable dual/treble purpose forms, with logic distributed
> among their controls, and in a few recent experiments have noticed that
the
> logic is a lot cleaner if I code something like this:
>
> On DoubleClick
> If Me.NewRecord = True Then
> Open the Insert form
> Else
> Open the Edit form
> End If
>
> Opinions? Diatribes? Scathing denunciations?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: March 5, 2003 2:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Editing Records
>
> In cases where a number of items (boolean variables in this case) must be
> true for an event to occur I usually multiply the booleans by each other.
> If I get a 0 result I know the event should not happen:
>
> blnDoTheEvent = ((blnValidate1 * blnValidate2 * blnValidate3) <> 0)
>
> If blnDoTheEvent Then
>   'do it here
> End If
>
> HTH,
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director of Product Development
> HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Gajewski [mailto:bob at renaissancesiding.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:50 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Editing Records
>
>
> Andy
>
> Just shooting from the hip, but couldn't that be done using a loop?
>
> Seems like it might be a lot of coding, even for just 13 validations ...
and
> then it would handle more if they were added later.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Gajewski
>
> On Wednesday, March 05, 2003 14:22 PM, Andy Lacey
> [SMTP:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] wrote:
> > Tim
> > Just a suggestion
> >
> > Dim blnNeedsUpdate As Boolean
> >
> >
> > blnNeedsUpdate =False
> >
> > If validation1 = false then
> >         blnNeedsUpdate =True
> >
> > End if
> >
> > If validation2 = false then
> >         blnNeedsUpdate =True
> >
> > End if
> >
> >
> > etc
> >
> > if blnNeedsUpdate = true
> >
> > ..edit
> >
> > change all fields
> >
> > ..update
> >
> >
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Swisher,
> > Timothy B
> > Sent: 05 March 2003 13:06
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Editing Records
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello group, I have a procedure (A2k) that opens a recordset (DAO) and
> > cycles through the data validating/updating several fields for each
> > record.  My question is, what is the best way to do this,
> >
> > Like this
> >
> > ..edit
> > If validation1 = false then
> >         change data
> > End if
> >
> > If validation2 = false then
> >         change data
> > End if
> > ..update
> >
> > Or
> >
> > If validation1 = false then
> >         .edit
> >         change data
> >         .update
> > End if
> >
> > If validation2 = false then
> >         .edit
> >         change data
> >         .update
> > End if
> >
> > I have about 13 validations that need to be done on about 90,000
> > records.  Each validation goes to a SQL Server BE and check the validity
> > of the data.  There is a huge difference in speed opening and closing
> > the recordset so many times, but if that is the better way to go, then
> > so be it.  All help is appreciated.  TIA
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >  << File: ATT00006.htm >>
>
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.60.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

For Personnel, you would use this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.61.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

To show all of them together, you use the Union statement.  The Union
statement is put before EACH following 'segment'.

For example, this lists both personnel and clients

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.62.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.63.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, if you had more 'segments' they too would have the Union statement
in the beginning.  So, you can do something like this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.64.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
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Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
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Union Select "George" As FirstName, "Bush" As LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.67.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

The above SQL statement as four 'segments'.  All segments after the first
one are 'preceded' with a Union statement.  The second and third are
identical, which means that you will get a recordset that has duplicate
records for all of your personnel.  The last statement is actually inserting
into the resulting recordset a 'dummy' record.  It doesn't exist within the
table, but you are giving the values of the field by using an Alias.

I hope I have made this too complex.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


I have actually created...easier than I thought...two more queries. Each
of these does one of the sections. My original query giving the first
group of numbers, I already had. Now I have created two more
queries...each doing one of the latter two sections. Now, is there a way
to bring them together?

I am going to try sub-reports, but I am guessing that this won't do
it.

>>> John.Clark at niagaracounty.com 03/11/03 01:34PM >>>
I got fancy w/my latest program, and now cannot seem to complete the
project. That is, I cannot finish the last report. This due to my own
stubbornness and stupidity, but I'm guessing that somebody on the list
can either guide me to an answer, or at least say, "That can't be done
you idiot!" ...thus saving me time looking for a solution.

Many of you offered advice, while I was building my drop-down box...it
was the one that listed a category, that was not able to be chosen,
and
"details", under these categories, that were indented slightly. The
box,
in its drop down state, looks like this:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND
   ADC
   HR
   MA
DENIED/WITHDRAWN
   ADC
   HR
   MA
GRANT REDUCTION
   ADC
   HR
   MA

I then found out that they needed a report that had totals for each
type, within a time period, and I have gotten close, with Jim
DeMarco's
advice. I used a query that makes a subset of the main table limited
by
date...this comes from a form with a start and ending date. I then use
another query that uses this query, along w/the table with the info
for
the combo box above, to total each category. I get the following for
the
time period that I have chosen:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND ADC	1
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND HR	4
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND MA	2
DENIED/WITHDRAWN HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION ADC		3
GRANT REDUCTION HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION MA		2
 

I also sum up the counts with the following formula behind a text box:
"=Sum([Count])"

This is close, but the are telling me that they need to know:

1) How many of each detail (i.e. "ADC", "HR", "MA") 

2) How many of each category (i.e. "CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND",
"DENIED/WITHDRAWN", "GRANT REDUCTION")

It looks like a crosstab query, but I don't even know what a crosstab
query is. I have a total mental block, when it comes to these
things...I
just don't get them! Is this what I should be looking at? Or, is there
another way to pull these out? For instance, if I pull apart the
"CASES
W/NO ERRORS FOUND" from the "ADC" could I count the common
occurrences?
I need to end up with:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND	7
DENIED/WITHDRAWN		1
GRANT REDUCTION		6

ADC				4
HR				6
MA				4

in addition to what I currently have.

I am currently investigating doing each of these in its own query, but
then how do I blend them, assuming I am able to figure it out.


A Humongous thanks to whoever can help me out! I am so far behind
schedule, that it isn't funny. The next project in line has a due date
of April 1st (the start of their fiscal year), and that one is much
bigger than my current one. I am already thinking of just giving them
a
"shell" so they can input, and then finish the program around it.

John W Clark
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.68.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

For Personnel, you would use this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.69.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

To show all of them together, you use the Union statement.  The Union
statement is put before EACH following 'segment'.

For example, this lists both personnel and clients

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.70.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.71.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, if you had more 'segments' they too would have the Union
statement
in the beginning.  So, you can do something like this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.72.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.73.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.74.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select "George" As FirstName, "Bush" As LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.75.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

The above SQL statement as four 'segments'.  All segments after the
first
one are 'preceded' with a Union statement.  The second and third are
identical, which means that you will get a recordset that has
duplicate
records for all of your personnel.  The last statement is actually
inserting
into the resulting recordset a 'dummy' record.  It doesn't exist within
the
table, but you are giving the values of the field by using an Alias.

I hope I have made this too complex.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


I have actually created...easier than I thought...two more queries.
Each
of these does one of the sections. My original query giving the first
group of numbers, I already had. Now I have created two more
queries...each doing one of the latter two sections. Now, is there a
way
to bring them together?

I am going to try sub-reports, but I am guessing that this won't do
it.

>>> John.Clark at niagaracounty.com 03/11/03 01:34PM >>>
I got fancy w/my latest program, and now cannot seem to complete the
project. That is, I cannot finish the last report. This due to my own
stubbornness and stupidity, but I'm guessing that somebody on the list
can either guide me to an answer, or at least say, "That can't be done
you idiot!" ...thus saving me time looking for a solution.

Many of you offered advice, while I was building my drop-down box...it
was the one that listed a category, that was not able to be chosen,
and
"details", under these categories, that were indented slightly. The
box,
in its drop down state, looks like this:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND
   ADC
   HR
   MA
DENIED/WITHDRAWN
   ADC
   HR
   MA
GRANT REDUCTION
   ADC
   HR
   MA

I then found out that they needed a report that had totals for each
type, within a time period, and I have gotten close, with Jim
DeMarco's
advice. I used a query that makes a subset of the main table limited
by
date...this comes from a form with a start and ending date. I then use
another query that uses this query, along w/the table with the info
for
the combo box above, to total each category. I get the following for
the
time period that I have chosen:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND ADC	1
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND HR	4
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND MA	2
DENIED/WITHDRAWN HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION ADC		3
GRANT REDUCTION HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION MA		2
 

I also sum up the counts with the following formula behind a text box:
"=Sum([Count])"

This is close, but the are telling me that they need to know:

1) How many of each detail (i.e. "ADC", "HR", "MA") 

2) How many of each category (i.e. "CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND",
"DENIED/WITHDRAWN", "GRANT REDUCTION")

It looks like a crosstab query, but I don't even know what a crosstab
query is. I have a total mental block, when it comes to these
things...I
just don't get them! Is this what I should be looking at? Or, is there
another way to pull these out? For instance, if I pull apart the
"CASES
W/NO ERRORS FOUND" from the "ADC" could I count the common
occurrences?
I need to end up with:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND	7
DENIED/WITHDRAWN		1
GRANT REDUCTION		6

ADC				4
HR				6
MA				4

in addition to what I currently have.

I am currently investigating doing each of these in its own query, but
then how do I blend them, assuming I am able to figure it out.


A Humongous thanks to whoever can help me out! I am so far behind
schedule, that it isn't funny. The next project in line has a due date
of April 1st (the start of their fiscal year), and that one is much
bigger than my current one. I am already thinking of just giving them
a
"shell" so they can input, and then finish the program around it.

John W Clark
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
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For Personnel, you would use this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.77.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

To show all of them together, you use the Union statement.  The Union
statement is put before EACH following 'segment'.

For example, this lists both personnel and clients

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.78.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.79.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, if you had more 'segments' they too would have the Union
statement
in the beginning.  So, you can do something like this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.80.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.81.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.82.1325173159.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select "George" As FirstName, "Bush" As LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.83.1325173160.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

The above SQL statement as four 'segments'.  All segments after the
first
one are 'preceded' with a Union statement.  The second and third are
identical, which means that you will get a recordset that has
duplicate
records for all of your personnel.  The last statement is actually
inserting
into the resulting recordset a 'dummy' record.  It doesn't exist within
the
table, but you are giving the values of the field by using an Alias.

I hope I have made this too complex.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


I have actually created...easier than I thought...two more queries.
Each
of these does one of the sections. My original query giving the first
group of numbers, I already had. Now I have created two more
queries...each doing one of the latter two sections. Now, is there a
way
to bring them together?

I am going to try sub-reports, but I am guessing that this won't do
it.

>>> John.Clark at niagaracounty.com 03/11/03 01:34PM >>>
I got fancy w/my latest program, and now cannot seem to complete the
project. That is, I cannot finish the last report. This due to my own
stubbornness and stupidity, but I'm guessing that somebody on the list
can either guide me to an answer, or at least say, "That can't be done
you idiot!" ...thus saving me time looking for a solution.

Many of you offered advice, while I was building my drop-down box...it
was the one that listed a category, that was not able to be chosen,
and
"details", under these categories, that were indented slightly. The
box,
in its drop down state, looks like this:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND
   ADC
   HR
   MA
DENIED/WITHDRAWN
   ADC
   HR
   MA
GRANT REDUCTION
   ADC
   HR
   MA

I then found out that they needed a report that had totals for each
type, within a time period, and I have gotten close, with Jim
DeMarco's
advice. I used a query that makes a subset of the main table limited
by
date...this comes from a form with a start and ending date. I then use
another query that uses this query, along w/the table with the info
for
the combo box above, to total each category. I get the following for
the
time period that I have chosen:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND ADC	1
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND HR	4
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND MA	2
DENIED/WITHDRAWN HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION ADC		3
GRANT REDUCTION HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION MA		2
 

I also sum up the counts with the following formula behind a text box:
"=Sum([Count])"

This is close, but the are telling me that they need to know:

1) How many of each detail (i.e. "ADC", "HR", "MA") 

2) How many of each category (i.e. "CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND",
"DENIED/WITHDRAWN", "GRANT REDUCTION")

It looks like a crosstab query, but I don't even know what a crosstab
query is. I have a total mental block, when it comes to these
things...I
just don't get them! Is this what I should be looking at? Or, is there
another way to pull these out? For instance, if I pull apart the
"CASES
W/NO ERRORS FOUND" from the "ADC" could I count the common
occurrences?
I need to end up with:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND	7
DENIED/WITHDRAWN		1
GRANT REDUCTION		6

ADC				4
HR				6
MA				4

in addition to what I currently have.

I am currently investigating doing each of these in its own query, but
then how do I blend them, assuming I am able to figure it out.


A Humongous thanks to whoever can help me out! I am so far behind
schedule, that it isn't funny. The next project in line has a due date
of April 1st (the start of their fiscal year), and that one is much
bigger than my current one. I am already thinking of just giving them
a
"shell" so they can input, and then finish the program around it.

John W Clark
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.84.1325173160.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

  1. Set objWord = "JA45.dot"    ' an existing Word template on disk
  2. objWord.Application.Visible = true
  3. With objWord.MailMerge
     .MainDocumentType = wdFormLetters
     .OpenDataSource _
          Name:="this MDB name", _
          LinkToSource:=True, _
          Connection:="QUERY qry name in the MDB"
     .Execute
  4. End With

This worked great until ... the customer wanted some security features.  To the same MDW as I used to create the MDB, I added a couple of Groups and their Users, and in the basAutoExec code closed out immediately if the user was 'admin' (user trying to use a vanilla MDW).  Each user must now log in with a username and password.

In this new environment, when line 3 above executes, another copy of the MDB opens and attempts to login, and gets thrown out, and the DDE connection fails.  That is, except when I log in as me with my username/password (I'm the owner of the MDB and all components of), then it works fine.  I don't have much hair to pull out, and the various combinations of Permissions I tried to get this to work with the other users has got me at the wall.

Because the thing needed to be up and running yesterday, I have got around this problem by creating a MailMerge .txt file external to the MDB and pointing the Word templates to this .txt file.  Line 3 above has become:
   With objWord.MailMerge
     .MainDocumentType = wdFormLetters
     .OpenDataSource Name:="the .txt file on disk"
     .Execute
and this works.

I am still interested in what is going on.  My suspicion is that it has something to do with the Word templates not opening the MDB with the same username/password used to get in to the original MDB.  But if I am right, how do you do that?

MTIA.

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, South Island, New Zealand 


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.85.1325173160.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

  1. Set objWord = "JA45.dot"    ' an existing Word template on disk


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.86.1325173160.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

The Count of queries:

qryCountOfType1...
SELECT qryTypes1.Type, Count(qryTypes1.Type) AS CountOfType
FROM qryTypes1
GROUP BY qryTypes1.Type;

qryCountOfType2...
SELECT qryTypes2.Type, Count(qryTypes2.Type) AS CountOfType
FROM qryTypes2
GROUP BY qryTypes2.Type;

Finally a Union query with an extra field to sort by the two types of groups.

The Union query

SELECT '1' as SortOrder, * 
FROM qryCountOfType1
UNION SELECT '2' as SortOrder, *

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.87.1325173160.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

This was a long way to go about doing this when you could easily do the Crosstab
query suggested in another post then run a report that sums the colums and the
rows. The only problem with the Crosstab is that you must modify the report if
new types are added. My way does not matter if new types are created as long as
the last 3 characters are one type and the other characters are another type
(you could modify this to use a delimiter and then not have to worry about the
length).

Scott Marcus 

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:55 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


No problem.  Just remember that the Unions can be the true SQL too.  So the
various querries could actually be in the Union Query, instead of making the
Union query's SQL point to them.  (Does that make sense?)

Go get some rest! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


Actually, No, you did not make this complex...I think I actually
understand everything that you are saying. I am attempting to try this
now, but I think I am going to surrender for the evening. I am getting
some interesting results, but I am tired and need a break. When I say
interesting, I actually mean that they are promising. I'll pick it up
again at 7:30AM tomorrow!

So far, I am using: 

SELECT Findings, Count
FROM qryFindingsCntByPeriod
UNION SELECT txtResultSpec, Count
FROM qryCountsOne
UNION SELECT txtResult, Count
FROM qryCountsTwo;

Thank you very much for your help!

Good Night!

John W Clark

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 03/11/03 02:19PM >>>
John, just use a Union query.  A union query in Access must be written
in
SQL, but it's pretty simple.

Let's say you had this table:

tblClients:
FirstName
LastName

and this table:

tblPersonnel:
FirstName
LastName

Now, let's say we had this data:

tblClients:
FirstName    LastName
Bob		Smith
George	Blue
Harry		Jones

tblPersonnel:
FirstName 	LastName
John		Jacobs
Greg		Myst
Anna		Grant

Okay, now you want a query to show both your clients and your personnel
in
the same fields.

To show just the clients, this SQL would work:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.88.1325173160.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

For Personnel, you would use this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.89.1325173160.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

To show all of them together, you use the Union statement.  The Union
statement is put before EACH following 'segment'.

For example, this lists both personnel and clients

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.90.1325173160.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.91.1325173160.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, if you had more 'segments' they too would have the Union
statement
in the beginning.  So, you can do something like this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.92.1325173160.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.93.1325173160.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.94.1325173160.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select "George" As FirstName, "Bush" As LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.95.1325173160.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

The above SQL statement as four 'segments'.  All segments after the
first
one are 'preceded' with a Union statement.  The second and third are
identical, which means that you will get a recordset that has
duplicate
records for all of your personnel.  The last statement is actually
inserting
into the resulting recordset a 'dummy' record.  It doesn't exist within
the
table, but you are giving the values of the field by using an Alias.

I hope I have made this too complex.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


I have actually created...easier than I thought...two more queries.
Each
of these does one of the sections. My original query giving the first
group of numbers, I already had. Now I have created two more
queries...each doing one of the latter two sections. Now, is there a
way
to bring them together?

I am going to try sub-reports, but I am guessing that this won't do
it.

>>> John.Clark at niagaracounty.com 03/11/03 01:34PM >>>
I got fancy w/my latest program, and now cannot seem to complete the
project. That is, I cannot finish the last report. This due to my own
stubbornness and stupidity, but I'm guessing that somebody on the list
can either guide me to an answer, or at least say, "That can't be done
you idiot!" ...thus saving me time looking for a solution.

Many of you offered advice, while I was building my drop-down box...it
was the one that listed a category, that was not able to be chosen,
and
"details", under these categories, that were indented slightly. The
box,
in its drop down state, looks like this:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND
   ADC
   HR
   MA
DENIED/WITHDRAWN
   ADC
   HR
   MA
GRANT REDUCTION
   ADC
   HR
   MA

I then found out that they needed a report that had totals for each
type, within a time period, and I have gotten close, with Jim
DeMarco's
advice. I used a query that makes a subset of the main table limited
by
date...this comes from a form with a start and ending date. I then use
another query that uses this query, along w/the table with the info
for
the combo box above, to total each category. I get the following for
the
time period that I have chosen:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND ADC	1
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND HR	4
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND MA	2
DENIED/WITHDRAWN HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION ADC		3
GRANT REDUCTION HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION MA		2
 

I also sum up the counts with the following formula behind a text box:
"=Sum([Count])"

This is close, but the are telling me that they need to know:

1) How many of each detail (i.e. "ADC", "HR", "MA") 

2) How many of each category (i.e. "CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND",
"DENIED/WITHDRAWN", "GRANT REDUCTION")

It looks like a crosstab query, but I don't even know what a crosstab
query is. I have a total mental block, when it comes to these
things...I
just don't get them! Is this what I should be looking at? Or, is there
another way to pull these out? For instance, if I pull apart the
"CASES
W/NO ERRORS FOUND" from the "ADC" could I count the common
occurrences?
I need to end up with:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND	7
DENIED/WITHDRAWN		1
GRANT REDUCTION		6

ADC				4
HR				6
MA				4

in addition to what I currently have.

I am currently investigating doing each of these in its own query, but
then how do I blend them, assuming I am able to figure it out.


A Humongous thanks to whoever can help me out! I am so far behind
schedule, that it isn't funny. The next project in line has a due date
of April 1st (the start of their fiscal year), and that one is much
bigger than my current one. I am already thinking of just giving them
a
"shell" so they can input, and then finish the program around it.

John W Clark
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.96.1325173161.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

For Personnel, you would use this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.97.1325173161.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

To show all of them together, you use the Union statement.  The Union
statement is put before EACH following 'segment'.

For example, this lists both personnel and clients

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.98.1325173161.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.99.1325173161.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, if you had more 'segments' they too would have the Union
statement
in the beginning.  So, you can do something like this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.100.1325173161.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
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Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
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Union Select "George" As FirstName, "Bush" As LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.103.1325173161.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

The above SQL statement as four 'segments'.  All segments after the
first
one are 'preceded' with a Union statement.  The second and third are
identical, which means that you will get a recordset that has
duplicate
records for all of your personnel.  The last statement is actually
inserting
into the resulting recordset a 'dummy' record.  It doesn't exist
within
the
table, but you are giving the values of the field by using an Alias.

I hope I have made this too complex.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


I have actually created...easier than I thought...two more queries.
Each
of these does one of the sections. My original query giving the first
group of numbers, I already had. Now I have created two more
queries...each doing one of the latter two sections. Now, is there a
way
to bring them together?

I am going to try sub-reports, but I am guessing that this won't do
it.

>>> John.Clark at niagaracounty.com 03/11/03 01:34PM >>>
I got fancy w/my latest program, and now cannot seem to complete the
project. That is, I cannot finish the last report. This due to my own
stubbornness and stupidity, but I'm guessing that somebody on the list
can either guide me to an answer, or at least say, "That can't be done
you idiot!" ...thus saving me time looking for a solution.

Many of you offered advice, while I was building my drop-down box...it
was the one that listed a category, that was not able to be chosen,
and
"details", under these categories, that were indented slightly. The
box,
in its drop down state, looks like this:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND
   ADC
   HR
   MA
DENIED/WITHDRAWN
   ADC
   HR
   MA
GRANT REDUCTION
   ADC
   HR
   MA

I then found out that they needed a report that had totals for each
type, within a time period, and I have gotten close, with Jim
DeMarco's
advice. I used a query that makes a subset of the main table limited
by
date...this comes from a form with a start and ending date. I then use
another query that uses this query, along w/the table with the info
for
the combo box above, to total each category. I get the following for
the
time period that I have chosen:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND ADC	1
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND HR	4
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND MA	2
DENIED/WITHDRAWN HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION ADC		3
GRANT REDUCTION HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION MA		2
 

I also sum up the counts with the following formula behind a text box:
"=Sum([Count])"

This is close, but the are telling me that they need to know:

1) How many of each detail (i.e. "ADC", "HR", "MA") 

2) How many of each category (i.e. "CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND",
"DENIED/WITHDRAWN", "GRANT REDUCTION")

It looks like a crosstab query, but I don't even know what a crosstab
query is. I have a total mental block, when it comes to these
things...I
just don't get them! Is this what I should be looking at? Or, is there
another way to pull these out? For instance, if I pull apart the
"CASES
W/NO ERRORS FOUND" from the "ADC" could I count the common
occurrences?
I need to end up with:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND	7
DENIED/WITHDRAWN		1
GRANT REDUCTION		6

ADC				4
HR				6
MA				4

in addition to what I currently have.

I am currently investigating doing each of these in its own query, but
then how do I blend them, assuming I am able to figure it out.


A Humongous thanks to whoever can help me out! I am so far behind
schedule, that it isn't funny. The next project in line has a due date
of April 1st (the start of their fiscal year), and that one is much
bigger than my current one. I am already thinking of just giving them
a
"shell" so they can input, and then finish the program around it.

John W Clark
_______________________________________________
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.104.1325173161.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

For Personnel, you would use this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.105.1325173161.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

To show all of them together, you use the Union statement.  The Union
statement is put before EACH following 'segment'.

For example, this lists both personnel and clients

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.106.1325173161.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.107.1325173161.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

However, if you had more 'segments' they too would have the Union
statement
in the beginning.  So, you can do something like this:

Select FirstName, LastName

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.108.1325173161.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Union Select FirstName, LastName

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Union Select FirstName, LastName

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Union Select "George" As FirstName, "Bush" As LastName

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The above SQL statement as four 'segments'.  All segments after the
first
one are 'preceded' with a Union statement.  The second and third are
identical, which means that you will get a recordset that has
duplicate
records for all of your personnel.  The last statement is actually
inserting
into the resulting recordset a 'dummy' record.  It doesn't exist
within
the
table, but you are giving the values of the field by using an Alias.

I hope I have made this too complex.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


I have actually created...easier than I thought...two more queries.
Each
of these does one of the sections. My original query giving the first
group of numbers, I already had. Now I have created two more
queries...each doing one of the latter two sections. Now, is there a
way
to bring them together?

I am going to try sub-reports, but I am guessing that this won't do
it.

>>> John.Clark at niagaracounty.com 03/11/03 01:34PM >>>
I got fancy w/my latest program, and now cannot seem to complete the
project. That is, I cannot finish the last report. This due to my own
stubbornness and stupidity, but I'm guessing that somebody on the list
can either guide me to an answer, or at least say, "That can't be done
you idiot!" ...thus saving me time looking for a solution.

Many of you offered advice, while I was building my drop-down box...it
was the one that listed a category, that was not able to be chosen,
and
"details", under these categories, that were indented slightly. The
box,
in its drop down state, looks like this:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND
   ADC
   HR
   MA
DENIED/WITHDRAWN
   ADC
   HR
   MA
GRANT REDUCTION
   ADC
   HR
   MA

I then found out that they needed a report that had totals for each
type, within a time period, and I have gotten close, with Jim
DeMarco's
advice. I used a query that makes a subset of the main table limited
by
date...this comes from a form with a start and ending date. I then use
another query that uses this query, along w/the table with the info
for
the combo box above, to total each category. I get the following for
the
time period that I have chosen:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND ADC	1
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND HR	4
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND MA	2
DENIED/WITHDRAWN HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION ADC		3
GRANT REDUCTION HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION MA		2
 

I also sum up the counts with the following formula behind a text box:
"=Sum([Count])"

This is close, but the are telling me that they need to know:

1) How many of each detail (i.e. "ADC", "HR", "MA") 

2) How many of each category (i.e. "CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND",
"DENIED/WITHDRAWN", "GRANT REDUCTION")

It looks like a crosstab query, but I don't even know what a crosstab
query is. I have a total mental block, when it comes to these
things...I
just don't get them! Is this what I should be looking at? Or, is there
another way to pull these out? For instance, if I pull apart the
"CASES
W/NO ERRORS FOUND" from the "ADC" could I count the common
occurrences?
I need to end up with:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND	7
DENIED/WITHDRAWN		1
GRANT REDUCTION		6

ADC				4
HR				6
MA				4

in addition to what I currently have.

I am currently investigating doing each of these in its own query, but
then how do I blend them, assuming I am able to figure it out.


A Humongous thanks to whoever can help me out! I am so far behind
schedule, that it isn't funny. The next project in line has a due date
of April 1st (the start of their fiscal year), and that one is much
bigger than my current one. I am already thinking of just giving them
a
"shell" so they can input, and then finish the program around it.

John W Clark
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For Personnel, you would use this:

Select FirstName, LastName

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To show all of them together, you use the Union statement.  The Union
statement is put before EACH following 'segment'.

For example, this lists both personnel and clients

Select FirstName, LastName

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Union Select FirstName, LastName

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However, if you had more 'segments' they too would have the Union
statement
in the beginning.  So, you can do something like this:

Select FirstName, LastName

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Union Select FirstName, LastName

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Union Select FirstName, LastName

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Union Select "George" As FirstName, "Bush" As LastName

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The above SQL statement as four 'segments'.  All segments after the
first
one are 'preceded' with a Union statement.  The second and third are
identical, which means that you will get a recordset that has
duplicate
records for all of your personnel.  The last statement is actually
inserting
into the resulting recordset a 'dummy' record.  It doesn't exist
within
the
table, but you are giving the values of the field by using an Alias.

I hope I have made this too complex.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Painted into a corner


I have actually created...easier than I thought...two more queries.
Each
of these does one of the sections. My original query giving the first
group of numbers, I already had. Now I have created two more
queries...each doing one of the latter two sections. Now, is there a
way
to bring them together?

I am going to try sub-reports, but I am guessing that this won't do
it.

>>> John.Clark at niagaracounty.com 03/11/03 01:34PM >>>
I got fancy w/my latest program, and now cannot seem to complete the
project. That is, I cannot finish the last report. This due to my own
stubbornness and stupidity, but I'm guessing that somebody on the list
can either guide me to an answer, or at least say, "That can't be done
you idiot!" ...thus saving me time looking for a solution.

Many of you offered advice, while I was building my drop-down box...it
was the one that listed a category, that was not able to be chosen,
and
"details", under these categories, that were indented slightly. The
box,
in its drop down state, looks like this:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND
   ADC
   HR
   MA
DENIED/WITHDRAWN
   ADC
   HR
   MA
GRANT REDUCTION
   ADC
   HR
   MA

I then found out that they needed a report that had totals for each
type, within a time period, and I have gotten close, with Jim
DeMarco's
advice. I used a query that makes a subset of the main table limited
by
date...this comes from a form with a start and ending date. I then use
another query that uses this query, along w/the table with the info
for
the combo box above, to total each category. I get the following for
the
time period that I have chosen:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND ADC	1
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND HR	4
CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND MA	2
DENIED/WITHDRAWN HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION ADC		3
GRANT REDUCTION HR		1
GRANT REDUCTION MA		2
 

I also sum up the counts with the following formula behind a text box:
"=Sum([Count])"

This is close, but the are telling me that they need to know:

1) How many of each detail (i.e. "ADC", "HR", "MA") 

2) How many of each category (i.e. "CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND",
"DENIED/WITHDRAWN", "GRANT REDUCTION")

It looks like a crosstab query, but I don't even know what a crosstab
query is. I have a total mental block, when it comes to these
things...I
just don't get them! Is this what I should be looking at? Or, is there
another way to pull these out? For instance, if I pull apart the
"CASES
W/NO ERRORS FOUND" from the "ADC" could I count the common
occurrences?
I need to end up with:

CASES W/NO ERRORS FOUND	7
DENIED/WITHDRAWN		1
GRANT REDUCTION		6

ADC				4
HR				6
MA				4

in addition to what I currently have.

I am currently investigating doing each of these in its own query, but
then how do I blend them, assuming I am able to figure it out.


A Humongous thanks to whoever can help me out! I am so far behind
schedule, that it isn't funny. The next project in line has a due date
of April 1st (the start of their fiscal year), and that one is much
bigger than my current one. I am already thinking of just giving them
a
"shell" so they can input, and then finish the program around it.

John W Clark
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Union Select TopicText, TopicID

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Order By TopicID

Now you have a recordset with All at the top.  Now for your Question combo's
query:

Select Question, QID, [Forms]![Form2]![cmbTopic] As Expr1

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Where TopicID=[Forms]![Form2]![cmbTopic] Or [Forms]![Form2]![cmbTopic]=0


Then just have the Topics combo requery the question combo.

Drew
-----Original Message-----
From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:41 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Building a search form


Drew, my problem with that is the way I synchronize two combo boxes.  Each
is set to a query and I use the ID in the first combo as the criteria for
the query used as a source for the second box.  Now, what criteria do I use
for "all"?

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:38 AM
To: ''accessd at databaseadvisors.com' '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Building a search form


Hmmmm, why not just have two combos, Topic and Question.  Have an 'all' in
the Topic question, so that you can either select a Topic (and on the
Onclick requery the Question combo based on the Topic selection), or a
question.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Klos, Susan
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Sent: 3/12/03 7:54 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Building a search form

I am creating a FAQ database.  I have the following tables: tblQuestion;
tblTopic; tblSource; tblReference; tblRelationship.  I am trying to
build a search form that can be used to find either the Topic, Question,
or Question when the Topic is known (in other words choose the topic
first then the questions relating to that topic show up in the question
dropdown.  I could do either the Topic or Question or the Question when
the Topic is known.  How do I do both on one form?
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serious problem.  If a department in your organization develops a
program (from inside or outside) without coordinating with the people
who will need to manage the equipment this program runs on and probably
manage the program itself, it's guaranteed that there will be serious
problems to come.

I am just starting as an independent, but I can't imagine not
cooperating closely with the IT folks right from the start.

Light a fire under your boss and get this resolved before it happens
again!

Good Luck!
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 2:13 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT but Access related...I've just got to share this


I have been fighting a battle for the past three years or so. My boss,
who is a politician, doesn't hold my job in high regard...I could get
really deep into explaining this, but I'll leave it here for now.
Anyhow, when he got the job in 1998, we made a decision to go w/MS
Access...we had FoxPro for many years, but there were many programs that
needed rewrote, and we also looked at VB. We chose Access for many
reasons, such as it was already on many of the machines, and I had
already begun learning it. Also, it seemed very flexible...good for
small, quick jobs, but also had capabilities for much larger projects.

I am getting away from the subject, but I wanted to provide some
background. 

Over the past few years, we have found some programs in departments that
were written by programmer wanna-bees in those departments. When I
finally find these programs, I show my boss how pathetic they are...I
may not be a guru yet, but I think I write pretty decent
programs...especially compared to these pieces of shitaki mushrooms (got
that from watching Spy Kids w/my kids).

In 1999, I had to re-write a program for our Pistol Permits Office. I
could write the program fine, but they needed to keep track of every
single change that was ever made to an account, and keep a historical
account. I had no idea how to do this, and my boss contracted with an
outside agency to help me. This programmer was suppose to "help" me
write this so that I learned as we went. This was a mistake on my
behalf, but I had had no training at all back then, and I had no
connection to any lists like this one. I also felt a little better, when
this programmer said that this was the hardest program that he ever
worked on, and he "had written some point of sales programs, and done
work for the border patrol."

Since this time I've written several programs on my own, and I have
enjoyed a really good track record (i.e. not many calls after the fact),
which I probably just jinxed by mentioning this out loud. A couple of
months ago, I "accidentally" found out that our Risk Management
department had contracted outside for a new Claims Tracking program. I
had already written another small program for them, and as far as I
know, they were happy with it. Turns out the same programmer that helped
me came in to do it, and because he had known me, and wasn't aware that
this was a secret, he called me and talked w/me about this.

He finished this program, less than a month ago, and today one of our
technicians calls to have me help with a network mapping
problem...network admin is one of my other hats here. They weren't
getting a Y: drive mapping, so their new Access program wouldn't work. I
recognized this mapping as one that we have programmed in the logging
script...any body that had old FoxPro programs had a Y: drive mapping to
the location of the FoxPro files, and this included them.

It turns out that this "professional" programmer took it upon himself to
create a local mapping on these users machines...a big "No-no"...which
overwrites our network mappings. Our office is currently in the middle
of rolling out about 100 new PCs to those users who have older ones. As
you might be guessing, this PC was one of the ones replaced. She had no
idea of what mapping she had, so she couldn't warn us, and we weren't
notified, so we didn't know. The old Y: mapping for FoxPro is really not
needed any longer...by them at least...so I offered to simply remap them
via the login script. 

The tech returned to the office after lunch, and reported to me that,
"this guy did something with Windows files too!" Apparently, although I
can't think of what this would be, there were ties directly into the
Windows OS from this program (Registry maybe? I dunno). These new PCs
had Windows 2000 and Office 2000, and her old system had Windows 95 and
the program is A97. They loaded A97, but it still does not work. Now
they have to call this "professional" in...he'll be here tomorrow.

I really think that I am at a level that I can compete w/this guy, and
that they should have given me a chance. It is plain stupidity to not
communicate with the internal IT staff. Even though I don't like the
idea of them outsourcing, I have no personal problems with this guy. He
is a really nice guy, and I have always been nice to him. We have even
spoke a time or two on our own, since he had been in here.

Sorry for this OT, but I had to vent. You may not see my point here,
seeing as how many of you are independants, but at the very least please
tell me that you would communicate to avoid later problems. Or is it
standard to just get it, get paid, and leave the mess to the IT staff.

Take care!

John W Clark


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The name Schengen originates from a small town in Luxembourg. In March =
1995, seven European Union countries signed a treaty to end internal =
border checkpoints and controls. More countries have joined the treaty =
over the past years. At present (February 2003), there are 15 Schengen =
countries, all in Europe.=20

The 15 Schengen countries are: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, =
France, Germany, Iceland, Italy, Greece, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, =
Norway, Portugal, Spain and Sweden. The collected territories of these =
countries are known as the Schengen area.=20

All countries except Norway and Iceland are European Union members. =
Conversely, the United Kingdom and Ireland are in the European Union but =
are not parties to the Schengen treaty.=20

Source: http://www.eurovisa.info/SchengenCountries.htm=20

----- Original Message -----=20

From: "Mark Whittinghill" <mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world...


> What is Shengen States?  Does that mean the European Union or is it
> something else?  Just curious.
>=20
>=20
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> Minneapolis, Minnesota
> Email: mark at symphonyinfo.com
> Phone: 612-333-1311
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world...
>=20
>=20
> > Hi All,
> >
> > We made it! - I've got Visum to Netherlands (Shengen States) for =
myself
> and
> > my two kids for twenty days today! I fly to Amsterdam on 20 March =
2003. I
> > plan to visit also Hamburg, Ghent, Brugge, Brussels, Paris etc. I go =
back
> > home on 03 of April 2003.
> >
> > Without your great moral support and hints of Marty I would have not =
had
> > Visum today...
> > And of course Onno van Shelven who is not on the list these days but =
who I
> > contact from time to time with was the main helping hand - he helped =
me to
> > define a concept and then edit/augment a letter, which I wrote and =
sent to
> > the Consul and which made this incredible bombing effect and holed
> > bureaucracy wall...
> >
> > Well, I had to pay second time for their services and I didn't hear =
any
> > words of excuses or something like that but all that doesn't matter =
when
> > what was almost impossible on Monday becomes a reality on Friday...
> >
> > THNX a lot again to everybody,
> > Have nice weekend,
> > Shamil :)
> >
>=20
>=20
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href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Luxembourg</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>. In March =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3D1995 =
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>1995</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, seven =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3D"European Union"=20
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union"><FONT face=3DArial =

size=3D2>European Union</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> countries =
signed a=20
treaty to end internal border checkpoints and controls. More countries =
have=20
joined the treaty over the past years. At present (February 2003), there =
are 15=20
Schengen countries, all in </FONT><A class=3Dinternal title=3DEurope=20
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Europe</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>. </FONT>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The 15 Schengen countries are: </FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3DAustria =
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>Austria</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3DBelgium =
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>Belgium</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3DDenmark =
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>Denmark</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3DFinland =
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>Finland</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3DFrance =
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/France"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>France</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3DGermany =
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>Germany</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3DIceland =
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>Iceland</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3DItaly =
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>Italy</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3DGreece =
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>Greece</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3DLuxembourg=20
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Luxembourg</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, the =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3DNetherlands=20
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Netherlands</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, </FONT><A =
class=3Dinternal=20
title=3DNorway href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Norway</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, </FONT><A =
class=3Dinternal=20
title=3DPortugal href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Portugal</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, </FONT><A =
class=3Dinternal=20
title=3DSpain href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Spain</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> and </FONT><A =
class=3Dinternal=20
title=3DSweden href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Sweden</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>. The collected =
territories of=20
these countries are known as the Schengen area. </FONT>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All countries except Norway and Iceland =
are European=20
Union members. Conversely, the </FONT><A class=3Dinternal =
title=3D"United Kingdom"=20
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom"><FONT face=3DArial =

size=3D2>United Kingdom</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> and =
</FONT><A=20
class=3Dinternal title=3DIreland =
href=3D"http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>Ireland</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> are =
in the European=20
Union but are not parties to the Schengen treaty. </FONT>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Source: </FONT><A class=3Dexternal=20
title=3Dhttp://www.eurovisa.info/SchengenCountries.htm=20
href=3D"http://www.eurovisa.info/SchengenCountries.htm"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.eurovisa.info/SchengenCountries.htm</FONT></A><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2> </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- =
</FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "Mark Whittinghill" &lt;</FONT><A =

href=3D"mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To: &lt;</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>accessd at databaseadvisors.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:01 =
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de =
frise" of=20
free world...</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&gt; What is Shengen States?&nbsp; Does that mean the European =
Union or=20
is it<BR>&gt; something else?&nbsp; Just curious.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt; Mark=20
Whittinghill<BR>&gt; Symphony Information Services<BR>&gt; Minneapolis,=20
Minnesota<BR>&gt; Email: </FONT><A =
href=3D"mailto:mark at symphonyinfo.com"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>mark at symphonyinfo.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&gt; Phone: 612-333-1311<BR>&gt; ----- Original Message =
-----<BR>&gt;=20
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" &lt;</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&gt;<BR>&gt; To: &lt;</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>accessd at databaseadvisors.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&gt;<BR>&gt; Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:17 PM<BR>&gt; =
Subject: Re:=20
[AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world...<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
Hi All,<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; We made it! - I've got Visum to =
Netherlands=20
(Shengen States) for myself<BR>&gt; and<BR>&gt; &gt; my two kids for =
twenty days=20
today! I fly to Amsterdam on 20 March 2003. I<BR>&gt; &gt; plan to visit =
also=20
Hamburg, Ghent, Brugge, Brussels, Paris etc. I go back<BR>&gt; &gt; home =
on 03=20
of April 2003.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Without your great moral =
support and=20
hints of Marty I would have not had<BR>&gt; &gt; Visum today...<BR>&gt; =
&gt; And=20
of course Onno van Shelven who is not on the list these days but who =
I<BR>&gt;=20
&gt; contact from time to time with was the main helping hand - he =
helped me=20
to<BR>&gt; &gt; define a concept and then edit/augment a letter, which I =
wrote=20
and sent to<BR>&gt; &gt; the Consul and which made this incredible =
bombing=20
effect and holed<BR>&gt; &gt; bureaucracy wall...<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; =
&gt;=20
Well, I had to pay second time for their services and I didn't hear =
any<BR>&gt;=20
&gt; words of excuses or something like that but all that doesn't matter =

when<BR>&gt; &gt; what was almost impossible on Monday becomes a reality =
on=20
Friday...<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; THNX a lot again to =
everybody,<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
Have nice weekend,<BR>&gt; &gt; Shamil :)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
_______________________________________________<BR>&gt; AccessD mailing=20
list<BR>&gt; </FONT><A =
href=3D"mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
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BR><FONT=20
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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
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table in SQL Server to an XML file on the disk.

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  <?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes" ?>
- <dsStates xmlns="http://www.tempuri.org/DataSet1.xsd">
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>2</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Puebla</ST_State>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>54</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alberta</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AB</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>66</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Aguascalientes</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AGS</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>4</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alaska</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AK</ST_Abrev>

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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.126.1325173167.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

table in SQL Server to an XML file on the disk.

This .Net is cool stuff!

  <?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes" ?>
- <dsStates xmlns="http://www.tempuri.org/DataSet1.xsd">
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>2</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Puebla</ST_State>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>54</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alberta</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AB</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>66</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Aguascalientes</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AGS</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>4</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alaska</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AK</ST_Abrev>

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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.127.1325173168.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

table in SQL Server to an XML file on the disk.

This .Net is cool stuff!

  <?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes" ?>
- <dsStates xmlns="http://www.tempuri.org/DataSet1.xsd">
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>2</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Puebla</ST_State>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>54</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alberta</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AB</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>66</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Aguascalientes</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AGS</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>4</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alaska</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AK</ST_Abrev>

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table in SQL Server to an XML file on the disk.

This .Net is cool stuff!

  <?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes" ?>
- <dsStates xmlns="http://www.tempuri.org/DataSet1.xsd">
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>2</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Puebla</ST_State>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>54</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alberta</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AB</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>66</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Aguascalientes</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AGS</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>4</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alaska</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AK</ST_Abrev>

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table in SQL Server to an XML file on the disk.

This .Net is cool stuff!

  <?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes" ?>
- <dsStates xmlns="http://www.tempuri.org/DataSet1.xsd">
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>2</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Puebla</ST_State>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>54</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alberta</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AB</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>66</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Aguascalientes</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AGS</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>4</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alaska</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AK</ST_Abrev>

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table in SQL Server to an XML file on the disk.

This .Net is cool stuff!

  <?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes" ?>
- <dsStates xmlns="http://www.tempuri.org/DataSet1.xsd">
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>2</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Puebla</ST_State>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>54</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alberta</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AB</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>66</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Aguascalientes</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AGS</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>4</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alaska</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AK</ST_Abrev>

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table in SQL Server to an XML file on the disk.

This .Net is cool stuff!

  <?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes" ?>
- <dsStates xmlns="http://www.tempuri.org/DataSet1.xsd">
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>2</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Puebla</ST_State>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>54</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alberta</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AB</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>66</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Aguascalientes</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AGS</ST_Abrev>
  <Active>true</Active>
  <Trash>false</Trash>
  </tblState>
- <tblState>
  <ST_ID>4</ST_ID>
  <ST_State>Alaska</ST_State>
  <ST_Abrev>AK</ST_Abrev>

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.132.1325173172.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Joe K Anderson=20
To: Joe Anderson ; Barry Hynum ; Bob Heygood ; Dixon Foss ; Ed Lance ; =
Greg Otero ; Rocky Smolin ; Tim Henning ; Wayne Warren-Angelucci=20
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: Fw: Feb 2003 Access-VB-SQL, pg 10 'Database Problem'


Guys ... FYI ....

joe

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Joe K Anderson=20
To: mikegroh at earthlink.net=20
Sent: 03-17-2003 23:02
Subject: Feb 2003 Access-VB-SQL, pg 10 'Database Problem'


Hi Mike ...

Thanks for continuing to be involved with a high quality magazine like =
Access-VB-SQL.  In fact I have every issue since day one.

Regarding the "Error Accessing File.  Network Connection may have been =
lost" problem:

The good news is that is has nothing to do with networks, split MDB's, =
LDB's etc.  It's a totally bogus error message. =20

The bad news is the mdb is *usually* corrupted beyond repair ... even =
the 'decompile' trick does not fix it, nor does the JetComp utility.  =
The code behind a form(s) and/or code in a VBA module(s) is corrupted.  =
Odd, because Decompile fixes about 99% of all VBA corruption problems

In Office 2000, there is a certain version of the Vbe6.dll that causes =
the problem

This knowledge base article gives all the details.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;en-us;304548


I indicated *usually* above because I was never able to fix the =
corruption with any trick I was aware of.  I don't recall the original =
KB article discussing any resolutions ... just mentioning the DLL and to =
get Office 2000 Service Pack 3 ... which *did* fix the problem. =20

The bottom line usually was just as Microsoft states at the bottom of =
'RESOLUTION':

"If you do not have a computer without the version of Vbe6.dll mentioned =
in the "Cause" section, you must revert to a known good backup copy of =
the database. To prevent this problem from happening again, use one of =
the following methods, depending on which version of Access you are =
using."

BTW .. neither of the 'Methods' mentioned were 100% reliable!!

Anyway ... since I've had first hand experience with this ugly problem =
.. I thought I would pass this info on to you.

Joe Anderson
AllData, Inc.
www.alldatacorp.com
858.270.4400
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From a friend.&nbsp; FYI.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rocky Smolin<BR>Beach Access =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
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Anderson</A> ; <A title=3Dbhynum at cox.net =
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href=3D"mailto:henningt at san.rr.com">Tim=20
Henning</A> ; <A title=3Dwayne.warren at adelphia.net=20
href=3D"mailto:wayne.warren at adelphia.net">Wayne Warren-Angelucci</A> =
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 17, 2003 11:03 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Fw: Feb 2003 Access-VB-SQL, pg 10 'Database=20
Problem'</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Guys ... FYI ....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>joe</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dja at alldatacorp.com href=3D"mailto:ja at alldatacorp.com">Joe K =
Anderson</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dmikegroh at earthlink.net=20
href=3D"mailto:mikegroh at earthlink.net">mikegroh at earthlink.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> 03-17-2003 23:02</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Feb 2003 Access-VB-SQL, pg 10 'Database=20
Problem'</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hi Mike ...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for continuing to be involved with a high quality magazine =
like=20
Access-VB-SQL.&nbsp; In fact I&nbsp;have every issue since day =
one.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Regarding the "<STRONG>Error Accessing File.&nbsp; Network =
Connection may=20
have been lost"</STRONG> problem:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The good news is that is has nothing to do with =
networks,=20
split MDB's, LDB's etc.&nbsp;&nbsp;It's a totally bogus error =
message.&nbsp;=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The bad news is the mdb is *usually* corrupted =
beyond repair=20
... even the 'decompile' trick does not fix it, nor does the JetComp=20
utility.&nbsp; The code behind a form(s) and/or code in a VBA module(s) =
is=20
corrupted.&nbsp; Odd, because Decompile fixes about 99% of all VBA =
corruption=20
problems</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>In Office 2000, there is a certain version of the =
Vbe6.dll=20
that causes the problem</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>This knowledge base article gives all the=20
details.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;en-us;304548"=
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;en-us;304548</A></FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I indicated *usually* above because I was never able =
to fix=20
the corruption with any trick I was aware of.&nbsp; I don't recall the =
original=20
KB article discussing any resolutions ... just mentioning the DLL and to =
get=20
Office 2000 Service Pack 3 ... which *did* fix the problem.&nbsp; =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The bottom line&nbsp;usually was just as Microsoft =
states at=20
the bottom of 'RESOLUTION':</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM>"If you do not have a computer without the version of Vbe6.dll=20
mentioned in the "Cause" section, <STRONG><FONT color=3D#ff0000>you must =
revert to=20
a known good backup copy of the database</FONT></STRONG>. To prevent =
this=20
problem from happening again, use one of the following methods, =
depending on=20
which version of Access you are using."</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>BTW .. neither of the 'Methods' mentioned were 100% =
reliable!!</DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Anyway ... since I've had first hand experience&nbsp;with this ugly =
problem=20
.. I thought I would pass this info on to you.</DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Joe Anderson<BR>AllData, Inc.<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.alldatacorp.com">www.alldatacorp.com</A><BR>858.270.44=
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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.133.1325173172.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

that=20
        person, including the public key, is stored in the contact =
info.&nbsp;=20
        Obvious this isn't going to work as expected with the list since =
the=20
        message is retransmitted.&nbsp; In fact I have no idea what is =
going to=20
        happen in this case, we shall just have to wait and =
see.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That public key from the contact =
can then be=20
        used to encrypt email and theoretically an attachment as =
well.&nbsp;=20
        Since the public key is stored in the contact record, it is used =
for the=20
        encryption, and the message (and attachments) can only be =
decoded by the=20
        matching private key.&nbsp; I.e. automatic digital signature and =
easy to=20
        use (though not automatic) encryption of messages.&nbsp; Since =
your=20
        friend's certificate is stored with his contact info on your =
computer,=20
        any email and attachments sent to him can be encrypted using his =
public=20
        key.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I say easy to use though not =
automatic=20
        encryption because in order to encrypt a given message you have =
to go to=20
        the properties of that message and select encryption.&nbsp; =
There is=20
        however an option to encrypt all messages.&nbsp; I assume that =
if the=20
        contact selected as the recipient has no certificate, no =
encryption=20
        takes place, so it appears that maybe a totally automatic / =
always on=20
        encryption scheme can take place with any contacts that you have =

        received and stored a certificate for.&nbsp; However... I tested =
this...=20
        if you send an encrypted message to a contact with a certificate =
in your=20
        contact book, and CC a contact without a certificate, the =
message is=20
        encrypted.&nbsp; You are warned that the person without a =
certificate=20
        will not be able to see the message (because it is encrypted) =
and that=20
        does indeed happen.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway, I have always wanted to =
have this=20
        capability.&nbsp; I have contacts with clients that should be =
kept=20
        confidential, for example transferring BE databases that contain =

        customer data to me for my work at my home office etc.&nbsp; The =
ability=20
        to encrypt these things is or should be important.&nbsp; I =
understand=20
        that there are now laws that state that if you transmit people's =
SSNs=20
        across the internet you must take specific precautions or you =
are=20
        breaking the law.&nbsp; I haven't seen this law, but I know that =
certain=20
        insurance companies I deal with are starting to get touchy about =
sending=20
        data files to me with the SSNs in them.&nbsp; Perhaps this =
security will=20
        help in these situations.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I thought you guys might be =
interested in=20
        what I have figured out.&nbsp; First of all there is a company =
that=20
        provides FREE personal email certificates.&nbsp; Most such =
companies=20
        charge a small fee for them.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
        =
href=3D"http://www.thawte.com/html/COMMUNITY/personal/index.html"=20
        =
target=3D_blank>http://www.thawte.com/html/COMMUNITY/personal/index.html<=
/A></FONT>=20
        </P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In order to get this you have to =
fill out a=20
        form with your address, phone and one personal ID number - SSN, =
Drivers=20
        License Number or Passport Number.&nbsp; Basically after =
following the=20
        process you are sent an email to the email address you provide =
them that=20
        contains a "ping" hotlink that you have to click on which then =
tells=20
        them you received the email and you are then issued the=20
        certificate.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway, I just thought I'd let =
you know that=20
        free certs are available, are reasonably easy to obtain, and =
reasonably=20
        easy to get working.</FONT></P>
        <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John W. Colby</FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.134.1325173175.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Replication Object and some code, but I was looking for a user friendly
way of doing this.  Have you had any experience with managing
synchronization this way?

 

Doug

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access XP Developer and replication manager

 

Replication manager is an administrative tool, not an end user tool.
The users of your app will be able to synchronize without any kind of
replication manager because replicas have the capability of
synchronizing built in.

 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:54 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access XP Developer and replication manager

Hi List,

I have what seem like a simple question but I don't seem to be able to
find the answer.  I have Office XP Developer.  I am looking at the use
of replication to keep several users synchronized on a really slow
network plus be able to synchronize lap tops when they dial in.  I got
interested in this method after reading Arthur Fuller's article in
"Inside Microsoft Access", March edition.  I also read the chapter in
the ADH on replication to get additional information.  What I have been
trying to determine is can I distribute the Replication Manager tool
that comes with the Developer Edition with my database.  It seems like
this is the easiest way to set up the replication and synchronization
schedule on the users system.  I found an article on the web for access
97 that seems to indicate that Replication Manager is distributable but
nothing on XP and have found nothing in any of my XP literature of help
files.

Has anyone had experience with this tool and been able to distribute it
or does the user need to have the MOD on their machine?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Doug


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ignorance is
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objective, I
think, is to have the replication manager on the user&#8217;s system so =
I can
set up the replicas on the various computers and set up the =
synchronization
schedule.&nbsp; From what I understand if I use the Access menu I can =
make the
replicas and put them on the various computers but I can not get =
automatic
synchronization, or indirect synchronization.&nbsp; It seems like a real =
waste
to put the full developer edition on a computer just to get the =
replication
manager tool, but this is a MS product.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>From the ADH it looks like I could =
do
everything through use of the Jet Replication Object and some code, but =
I was
looking for a user friendly way of doing this.&nbsp; Have you had any
experience with managing synchronization this way?</span></font></p>

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face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com =
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Charlotte Foust<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 20, =
2003
12:57 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
accessd at databaseadvisors.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [AccessD] =
Access XP
Developer and replication manager</span></font></p>

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color=3Dblue
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:blue'>Replication manager is an administrative tool, not an end =
user
tool.&nbsp; The users of your app will be able to synchronize without =
any kind
of replication manager because replicas have the capability of =
synchronizing
built in.</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:blue'>Charlotte Foust</span></font></p>

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style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Doug Murphy
[mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 20, =
2003
12:54 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
accessd at databaseadvisors.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [AccessD] Access =
XP
Developer and replication manager</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><!-- Converted from =
text/rtf format -->Hi
List,</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I have what seem =
like a
simple question but I don't seem to be able to find the answer.&nbsp; I =
have
Office XP Developer.&nbsp; I am looking at the use of replication to =
keep
several users</span></font> <font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>synchronized</span></font> <font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>on
a really slow network plus be able to synchronize lap tops when they =
dial
in.&nbsp; I got interested in this method after reading Arthur Fuller's =
article</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>in</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&quot;Inside
Microsoft Access&quot;, March edition.&nbsp;</span></font> <font =
size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I
also read the chapter in the ADH on replication to get additional
information.&nbsp;</span></font> <font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>What I have been =
trying to
determine is can I distribute the Replication Manager tool that comes =
with the
Developer Edition with my database.&nbsp; It seems like this is the =
easiest way
to set up the replication and synchronization schedule on the =
users</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>system.&nbsp;
I found an article on the web for access 97 that seems to indicate that
Replication Manager is distributable but nothing on XP and have =
found</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>nothing</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>in
any of my XP literature of help files.</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Has anyone had =
experience
with this tool and been able to distribute it or does the user need to =
have the
MOD on their machine?</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Thanks in advance =
for your
assistance.</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.135.1325173176.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

Replication Object and some code, but I was looking for a user friendly
way of doing this.  Have you had any experience with managing
synchronization this way?

 

Doug

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:57 PM

To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com

Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access XP Developer and replication manager

 

Replication manager is an administrative tool, not an end user tool.
The users of your app will be able to synchronize without any kind of
replication manager because replicas have the capability of
synchronizing built in.

 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----

From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com] 

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:54 PM

To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com

Subject: [AccessD] Access XP Developer and replication manager

Hi List,

I have what seem like a simple question but I don't seem to be able to
find the answer.  I have Office XP Developer.  I am looking at the use
of replication to keep several users synchronized on a really slow
network plus be able to synchronize lap tops when they dial in.  I got
interested in this method after reading Arthur Fuller's article in
"Inside Microsoft Access", March edition. I also read the chapter in the
ADH on replication to get additional information. What I have been
trying to determine is can I distribute the Replication Manager tool
that comes with the Developer Edition with my database.  It seems like
this is the easiest way to set up the replication and synchronization
schedule on the users system.  I found an article on the web for access
97 that seems to indicate that Replication Manager is distributable but
nothing on XP and have found nothing in any of my XP literature of help
files.

Has anyone had experience with this tool and been able to distribute it
or does the user need to have the MOD on their machine?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Doug


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>David,</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thank you.</span></font></p>

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<br>
Now I use dial up connections and indirect synchronization.&nbsp; I =
distribute
replication manager as part of the installation and once it is =
configured on
the users machines they are (mostly) able to follow the simple =
synchronization
process using it.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That is the answer I was searching =
for;
you can distribute the replication manager as part of the runtime.&nbsp; =
</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>How do you do the indirect =
synchronization
over a modem?&nbsp; That is another task I need to do.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Doug</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
<br>
I am not sure about XP but would be pretty certain that it would be
distributable as well.<br>
<br>
David Emerson<br>
Dalyn Software Ltd<br>
</span></font>New Zealand<br>
<br>
At 20/03/2003, you wrote:<br>
<br>
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:blue'>No, I haven't.&nbsp; When I've used replication, I didn't =
try to do
it on a schedule because I had no control over the users' =
schedules.&nbsp;
Procedurally, our users were instructed to sync their replica at the =
beginning
of each session to get the latest updates and at the end of a session to =
upload
their own changes.&nbsp; You could set up code to sync the database when =
they
opened it, but there is at least a slight delay involved with =
that.</span></font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Charlotte =
Foust</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>From: Doug Murphy [<a
href=3D"mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com" =
eudora=3Dautourl>mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com</a>]
</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Sent: </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Thursday, March
 20, 2003</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>1:36 PM</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>To: =
accessd at databaseadvisors.com</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Subject:
RE: [AccessD] Access XP Developer and replication =
manager</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
  font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Charlotte</span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>,</span></font></=
p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thank you.&nbsp; I guess my ignorance is =
going to
show here but that is how I learn, sometimes.&nbsp; My objective, I =
think, is
to have the replication manager on the users system so I can set up the
replicas on the various computers and set up the synchronization =
schedule.&nbsp;

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.136.1325173176.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

and put
them on the various computers but I can not get automatic =
synchronization, or
indirect synchronization.&nbsp; It seems like a real waste to put the =
full
developer edition on a computer just to get the replication manager =
tool, but
this is a MS product.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>From the ADH it looks like I could do =
everything
through use of the Jet Replication Object and some code, but I was =
looking for
a user friendly way of doing this.&nbsp; Have you had any experience =
with
managing synchronization this way?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Doug</span></font></p>

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1.0in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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1.0in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>From:
accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com [<a
href=3D"mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com" =
eudora=3Dautourl>mailto:accessd-admin at databaseadvisors.com</a>]
On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Sent: </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Thursday, March
 20, 2003</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>12:57 =
PM</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>To: =
accessd at databaseadvisors.com</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Subject:
RE: [AccessD] Access XP Developer and replication =
manager</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Replication manager is an
administrative tool, not an end user tool.&nbsp; The users of your app =
will be
able to synchronize without any kind of replication manager because =
replicas
have the capability of synchronizing built in.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Charlotte =
Foust</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>From: Doug Murphy [<a
href=3D"mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com" =
eudora=3Dautourl>mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com</a>]
</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Sent: </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Thursday, March
 20, 2003</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>12:54 =
PM</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>To: =
accessd at databaseadvisors.com</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Subject:
[AccessD] Access XP Developer and replication manager</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Hi List,</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>I have what seem like a simple question but I =
don't
seem to be able to find the answer.&nbsp; I have Office XP =
Developer.&nbsp; I
am looking at the use of replication to keep several users</span></font> =
<font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>synchronized</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>on
a really slow network plus be able to synchronize lap tops when they =
dial
in.&nbsp; I got interested in this method after reading Arthur Fuller's =
article</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>in</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&quot;Inside
Microsoft Access&quot;, March edition. I also read the chapter in the =
ADH on
replication to get additional information. What I have been trying to =
determine
is can I distribute the Replication Manager tool that comes with the =
Developer
Edition with my database.&nbsp; It seems like this is the easiest way to =
set up
the replication and synchronization schedule on the users</span></font> =
<font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>system.&nbsp;
I found an article on the web for access 97 that seems to indicate that
Replication Manager is distributable but nothing on XP and have =
found</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>nothing</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>in
any of my XP literature of help files.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Has anyone had experience with this tool and =
been
able to distribute it or does the user need to have the MOD on their =
machine?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Thanks in advance for your =
assistance.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>Doug</span></font></p>

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:12 2011
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:38:12 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.137.1325173176.4082.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>

     I've moved into VB for the last 6 months and would have paid almost
anything for an Access to Vb
     book.  Eg. Combo Box.  What a pain in VB.  Can't tell you how long
this took me to figure out.
     Makes me want to find one of the Access guys at Microsoft and give
them my first born child (I
     know, I know - she's a teenager and that's a punishment worse than
death to inflict on anyone but
     the thought is grateful.)

     I find that I know exactly what I want to do in Access but the
differences are often difficult to figure
     out.


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Dec  1 04:11:42 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:11:42 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 ?Ice Cream Sandwich? on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-powered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......



From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Thu Dec  1 08:59:53 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:59:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com><4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Not if it includes this:

http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html

Rusty
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-powered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
> >>> Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
> >>> programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
> >>> to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
> >>>> multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
> >>>> mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
> >> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
> >> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  1 09:16:07 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 10:16:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk><CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com><4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <4ED79A37.70008@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, yea what a scandal! 8o

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 9:59 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> Not if it includes this:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html
>
> Rusty
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> Hi John at all,
>
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-powered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
>>>> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>>>>> Shamil,
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
>>>>> Droid
>>>> has wonderful voice
>>>>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
>>>>> programming
>>>> I pretty much type 99% the
>>>>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code
>>>>> to my
>>>> computer is something that is
>>>>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>>>>> Darryl --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
>>>>>> multi-touch
>>>> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>>>>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally
>>>>>> mounted
>>>> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
>>>> that's another technological revolution of the ways of
>>>> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>>>> communication with them...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>>>
> ......
>
> --
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 10:41:22 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:41:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.

With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux a
lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually none.
That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
domination.

But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at say
$100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.

Jim
   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 11:05:18 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:05:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <71F8BD42B7C64BE1A2CEA7BC6A10C8E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The problem is that so far there is no way to remove it.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Not if it includes this:

http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html

Rusty
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
> >>> Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
> >>> programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
> >>> to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
> >>>> multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
> >>>> mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
> >> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
> >> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Dec  1 11:08:16 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:08:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>

I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
meant. Why? 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.



From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 11:09:07 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:09:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>

$400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
lots of places for under $200. $189 here

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5213938

Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
version of Professional is $139.99

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5213934

GK

2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> These are interesting times...
>
> A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
> cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
> and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
> go out and buy another piece of hardware.
>
> Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
> their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
> do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
> the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.
>
> With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
> directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux a
> lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually none.
> That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> domination.
>
> But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at say
> $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
> PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> Hi John at all,
>
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer" ?- Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
>> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>> >>> Shamil,
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice. ?My
> Droid
>> >> has wonderful voice
>> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive. ?IOW when I am
> programming
>> >> I pretty much type 99% the
>> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over. ?Dictating code to my
>> >> computer is something that is
>> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>> >>>
>> >>> John W. Colby
>> >>> Colby Consulting
>> >>>
>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> >>> when you do not believe in it
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>> >>>> Darryl --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> multi-touch
>> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
>> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
>> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
>> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>> >> communication with them...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -- Shamil
>> >>>>
> ......
>
> --
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>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 12:00:33 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:00:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>

In all the box stores around here, Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy and even
Costco, the last price I saw (yesterday) was $379 plus taxes which puts it
up to about $420. 

There are upgrades from Pro versions to Ultimate versions which can be had
for a mere $189 plus tax; $210

You will have to send me one of these super cheap copies.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

$400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
lots of places for under $200. $189 here

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
213938

Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
version of Professional is $139.99

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
213934

GK

2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> These are interesting times...
>
> A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded
version
> cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows
preloaded
> and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having
to
> go out and buy another piece of hardware.
>
> Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux
in
> their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP
computers
> do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
> the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is
upgraded.
>
> With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
> directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux a
> lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually
none.
> That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> domination.
>
> But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
say
> $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
> PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> Hi John at all,
>
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer" ?- Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
>
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
>> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>> >>> Shamil,
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice. ?My
> Droid
>> >> has wonderful voice
>> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive. ?IOW when I am
> programming
>> >> I pretty much type 99% the
>> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over. ?Dictating code to
my
>> >> computer is something that is
>> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>> >>>
>> >>> John W. Colby
>> >>> Colby Consulting
>> >>>
>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> >>> when you do not believe in it
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>> >>>> Darryl --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> multi-touch
>> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
>> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - that's
>> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
>> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>> >> communication with them...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -- Shamil
>> >>>>
> ......
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 12:08:39 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:08:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The client wants a full version of Office, word and excel for cheap and they
have been hearing how fast a Linux server is. Two years ago they would have
never said such a thing. Linux, if they even cared about it, was just for
geeks. Now they are asking. Android has changed all that.

I have not decided what to tell them yet but if dollars are a concern stick
with XP until you need new computers would be my first thought.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
meant. Why? 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux in
their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP computers
do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is upgraded.

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 12:26:12 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:26:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWYUoG+-r5JXWQyRRO-OutcWnhMGuttYyAEJab=5+VG=jw@mail.gmail.com>

OEM versions are running 189 at New egg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100006907&isNodeId=1&Description=windows+7+ultimate&x=0&y=0


2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>

> In all the box stores around here, Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy and even
> Costco, the last price I saw (yesterday) was $379 plus taxes which puts it
> up to about $420.
>
> There are upgrades from Pro versions to Ultimate versions which can be had
> for a mere $189 plus tax; $210
>
> You will have to send me one of these super cheap copies.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> $400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
> lots of places for under $200. $189 here
>
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213938
>
> Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
> version of Professional is $139.99
>
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213934
>
> GK
>
> 2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > These are interesting times...
> >
> > A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded
> version
> > cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows
> preloaded
> > and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having
> to
> > go out and buy another piece of hardware.
> >
> > Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install Linux
> in
> > their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP
> computers
> > do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their case
> > the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is
> upgraded.
> >
> > With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will it
> > directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives Linux
> a
> > lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually
> none.
> > That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> > domination.
> >
> > But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
> say
> > $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying
> the
> > PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> > Shamil
> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> >
> > Hi John at all,
> >
> > How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
> > Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> >
> >
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> > ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> >
> > -- Shamil
> >
> >
> >> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >> >>> Shamil,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
> > Droid
> >> >> has wonderful voice
> >> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
> > programming
> >> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code to
> my
> >> >> computer is something that is
> >> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> John W. Colby
> >> >>> Colby Consulting
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >> >>>> Darryl --
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> > multi-touch
> >> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally mounted
> >> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
> that's
> >> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating with
> >> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and voice...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> >> communication with them...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thank you.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -- Shamil
> >> >>>>
> > ......
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
>
> --
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>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 13:00:51 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:00:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWYUoG+-r5JXWQyRRO-OutcWnhMGuttYyAEJab=5+VG=jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJ4rEHxWuDNG2X5TqoXF07Mh+Q3FgUH0P7+u5_s+vfCBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C24D5890B884D9AA8E0BB18ED35F918@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAMhYZWYUoG+-r5JXWQyRRO-OutcWnhMGuttYyAEJab=5+VG=jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iXh3yPk_-kAV4KFJ86iLHzQBGmhQWVmri98ecqDLAwiA@mail.gmail.com>

Assuming the availability of a big backup disk (very cheap now, 1TB for
less than $100), then I'd opt for DriveImaging the Win 7 boot disk and then
replacing the OS with Linux Mint 12 or Ubuntu 11.10, and after that
mounging XP and/or Win7 as VMs inside Oracle VirtualBox. In fact that is
precisely my plan to execute over the Christmas holidays. I'm still
teaching myself C#, with the help of several books, and that's one VM;
another is dedicated to my sole remaining Access+Word+Excel=Office
Automation client, and there's an Ubuntu VM too. I don't run them all at
once, of course; just when I need to or want to.

BTW, I think that Mint 12 is pretty slick!
A.


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Dec  1 13:32:27 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:32:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <71F8BD42B7C64BE1A2CEA7BC6A10C8E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A372@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<71F8BD42B7C64BE1A2CEA7BC6A10C8E5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <89550E0E-8934-434E-A641-5D240C07C51E@phulse.com>

That's not strictly true. There is a popular alternative firmware of android (or "distro", I suppose you could call it) called cyanogenmod (http://www.cyanogenmod.com/). It should be fairly trivial on many android phones (or most?) to install this alternative, clean firmware and it frees your phone from vendor specific nastiness (funny how android vendors are following the same path as the pc world with HP style software bundling) plus throws in a bunch of nice features on top of that.

The only problem is that it is still only using gingerbread. They are working on an icecream sandwich version now tho.

I hear a lot of android users raving on about it, so it seems to have a popular support, and it's free & open source.

There's a list of devices that it supports on its wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod

Happy jail breaking.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen

-- Sent from my iPad






On 1 Dec 2011, at 09:05, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> The problem is that so far there is no way to remove it.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Not if it includes this:
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Hi John at all,
> 
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> 
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
>>>> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>>>>> Shamil,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
>>>>> Droid
>>>> has wonderful voice
>>>>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
>>>>> programming
>>>> I pretty much type 99% the
>>>>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
>>>>> to my
>>>> computer is something that is
>>>>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>>>>> Darryl --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
>>>>>> multi-touch
>>>> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>>>>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
>>>>>> mounted
>>>> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
>>>> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
>>>> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
> gestures and voice...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>>>> communication with them...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>>> 
> ......
> 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Dec  1 15:11:18 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:11:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <18C283CC3E1F4FC4BFA7C65B0F656D8A@XPS>

<<But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
say
$100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.>>

 The problem with them doing that is you don't end up buying new hardware
then.

 Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

<<Snip>>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  1 15:43:19 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:43:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
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References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the 
same thing?
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>
> Will download and have a look.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents.  Of course the copy is very light.  Is it possible to darken the washed out text with Paint.net without also darkening the background.  IOW increase the contrast but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> --
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>
>
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  1 15:59:09 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:59:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
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The "ultimate" question: difference between it and the Pro version ?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 1:01 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> In all the box stores around here, Staples, Future Shop, Best Buy and
> even
> Costco, the last price I saw (yesterday) was $379 plus taxes which puts
> it
> up to about $420.
>
> There are upgrades from Pro versions to Ultimate versions which can be
> had
> for a mere $189 plus tax; $210
>
> You will have to send me one of these super cheap copies.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> $400?  Ouch. Full version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is available
> lots of places for under $200. $189 here
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-
> details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213938
>
> Can't imagine that most users really NEED ultimate though. Full
> version of Professional is $139.99
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-
> details.asp?EdpNo=5
> 213934
>
> GK
>
> 2011/12/1 Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> > These are interesting times...
> >
> > A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded
> version
> > cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows
> preloaded
> > and now people are seriously looking at other options than always
> having
> to
> > go out and buy another piece of hardware.
> >
> > Recently, a client asked whether it would be a good idea to install
> Linux
> in
> > their office. I have to admit the price is right and their old XP
> computers
> > do need a face-lift. The other option is to buy Windows and in their
> case
> > the cost will be another 10K to 15K...that is before the server is
> upgraded.
> >
> > With more Linux packages spreading out in the market, not only will
> it
> > directly threaten Windows, at least to a small degree but it gives
> Linux a
> > lot more of free advertisement and before Android Linux had virtually
> none.
> > That could be very dangerous to Microsoft's previous unchallenged PC
> > domination.
> >
> > But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows
> at
> say
> > $100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be
> annoying the
> > PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Salakhetdinov
> > Shamil
> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:12 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> >
> > Hi John at all,
> >
> > How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer" ?- Android 4.0
> "Ice
> > Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> >
> >
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-
> android-pow
> > ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> >
> > -- Shamil
> >
> >
> >> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >> >>> Shamil,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.
> ?My
> > Droid
> >> >> has wonderful voice
> >> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive. ?IOW when I am
> > programming
> >> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over. ?Dictating code
> to
> my
> >> >> computer is something that is
> >> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> John W. Colby
> >> >>> Colby Consulting
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away
> >> >>> when you do not believe in it
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >> >>>> Darryl --
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> > multi-touch
> >> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using
> mouse...
> >> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally
> mounted
> >> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
> that's
> >> >> another technological revolution of the ways of communicating
> with
> >> >> computers by using a broad range of both hands gestures and
> voice...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and
> 3D
> >> >> communication with them...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thank you.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -- Shamil
> >> >>>>
> > ......
> >
> > --
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> >
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  1 16:02:29 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:02:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
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Not to my knowledge.

http://www.paint.net/


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 4:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP. Are they the same thing?
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>> Ditto, but it looks very nice. We use GIMP at work, but this (at a glance) looks better. Nice one
>> ! :) thanks.
>>
>> Will download and have a look.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>> Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents. Of course the copy is very light. Is
>> it possible to darken the washed out text with Paint.net without also darkening the background.
>> IOW increase the contrast but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 16:03:50 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:03:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
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Try http://www.getpaint.net/index.html

Doug

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the
> same thing?
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
>
> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>
>> Will download and have a look.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>[mailto:
>> accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>
>> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents.  Of course
>> the copy is very light.  Is it possible to darken the washed out text with
>> Paint.net without also darkening the background.  IOW increase the contrast
>> but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>> --
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 17:00:12 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:00:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
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The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> When I try to find paint.net
>
> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>
>> Will download and have a look.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>>


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Dec  1 17:01:28 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:01:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
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Paint.Net started as a little home project (in 2004) in learning the .NET Framework around the time that Microsoft was really starting to hype .NET. It eventually evolved into a sort of showcase and proof-of-concept of a decent and strictly .NET application.

The Gimp has a much longer history, beginning in the mid 90's, as an image editor on Unix.

The main difference between the two is that the Gimp has more advanced features and also is cross platform (Windows, Linux, Mac).

Paint.Net isn't quite as feature rich and only runs on Windows (I guess Windows XP and above, if you have .NET installed), but it also has more eye candy and a flashier interface (which can be a bit distracting in my opinion though).

Popularity-wise, I'd have to say that the Gimp has a bigger user base, but thats not saying much since they are both vastly dwarfed by Photoshop.

- Hans


On 2011-12-01, at 2:02 PM, jwcolby wrote:

> Not to my knowledge.
> 
> http://www.paint.net/
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/1/2011 4:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> When I try to find paint.net for download, I find GIMP. Are they the same thing?
>> T
>> 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>> Ditto, but it looks very nice. We use GIMP at work, but this (at a glance) looks better. Nice one
>>> ! :) thanks.
>>> 
>>> Will download and have a look.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Darryl.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Jim Lawrence
>>> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 1:36 PM
>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>> 
>>> Paint.Net looks like a nice program...I have never heard of it before.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:40 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
>>> 
>>> I have to do reports over actual pictures of state documents. Of course the copy is very light. Is
>>> it possible to darken the washed out text with Paint.net without also darkening the background.
>>> IOW increase the contrast but more than that actually make the grey more black?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>> 
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 17:09:11 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:09:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <89550E0E-8934-434E-A641-5D240C07C51E@phulse.com>
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Hi All:

Here is a vid on how to go through the steps to install the latest
'gingerbread' cyanogenmod 7 update. It does not even require the product to
be 'unlocked' which in some cases invalidates the operator/Cell Service
Provider agreement. The modification is also not in violation of Google's
agreement with reference to proprietary components...if you do have those
new components, they can backed up and restored without violating any
licensing agreements. (I have not looked up the methods to properly backup
and restore proprietary components, yet.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3thA9OWQc8

Sorry, to say there is not an 'ice-cream sandwich' version available, yet
but, in most cases, unless you have the latest hardware, there are
insufficient resources to install and run that version.
 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

That's not strictly true. There is a popular alternative firmware of android
(or "distro", I suppose you could call it) called cyanogenmod
(http://www.cyanogenmod.com/). It should be fairly trivial on many android
phones (or most?) to install this alternative, clean firmware and it frees
your phone from vendor specific nastiness (funny how android vendors are
following the same path as the pc world with HP style software bundling)
plus throws in a bunch of nice features on top of that.

The only problem is that it is still only using gingerbread. They are
working on an icecream sandwich version now tho.

I hear a lot of android users raving on about it, so it seems to have a
popular support, and it's free & open source.

There's a list of devices that it supports on its wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod

Happy jail breaking.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen

-- Sent from my iPad






On 1 Dec 2011, at 09:05, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> The problem is that so far there is no way to remove it.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Not if it includes this:
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Hi John at all,
> 
> How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
> Cream Sandwich" on x86?:
> 
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
> ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
>>>> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>>>>> Shamil,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My 
>>>>> Droid
>>>> has wonderful voice
>>>>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am 
>>>>> programming
>>>> I pretty much type 99% the
>>>>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code 
>>>>> to my
>>>> computer is something that is
>>>>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>>>>> Darryl --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on 
>>>>>> multi-touch
>>>> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
>>>>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally 
>>>>>> mounted
>>>> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. - 
>>>> that's another technological revolution of the ways of 
>>>> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
> gestures and voice...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
>>>> communication with them...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>>> 
> ......
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  1 17:12:57 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:12:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <18C283CC3E1F4FC4BFA7C65B0F656D8A@XPS>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<18C283CC3E1F4FC4BFA7C65B0F656D8A@XPS>
Message-ID: <A232AEE3C579423180EE73AECC8819BB@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Of course, so lowering the price of their separate or non-OEM packages would
not adversely affect their OEM hardware distributors, as the user would most
likely have to buy new hardware anyway.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

<<But we shall see...If Microsoft released its top versions of Windows at
say
$100 they could halt the Linux advance but then they would be annoying the
PC manufactures market from which they make most of their money.>>

 The problem with them doing that is you don't end up buying new hardware
then.

 Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.

Jim. 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

These are interesting times...

A full version of Windows is selling for about $400 while preloaded version
cost $50 or less. It is cheaper to buy a new computer with Windows preloaded
and now people are seriously looking at other options than always having to
go out and buy another piece of hardware.

<<Snip>>

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  1 17:20:53 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:20:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>

Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the 
same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by 
following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near 
the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to 
click the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this 
journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>
>> When I try to find paint.net
>>
>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>
>>> Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>
>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Darryl.
>>>
>>>


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 17:28:32 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:28:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>

I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near the
> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>>
>>  When I try to find paint.net
>>>
>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Darryl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Thu Dec  1 17:44:07 2011
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:44:07 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>

I think this is just a case of a really poor and confusing website layout 
design.

The bit towards the top right, where it says:
"Get it now (free download)
Paint.NET v 3.5.10"
... that's the bit that is relevant to the Paint.Net download.

The big button underneath that, green, with "Download" - that's part of a 
big square advertisement that (for me at the moment) relates to FoxTab PDF 
Creator.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Doug Steele
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net

I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near 
> the
> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>>
>>  When I try to find paint.net
>>>
>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Darryl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec  1 18:55:20 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:55:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] FW: FW:  Windows 8
Message-ID: <BCCE4AA38F4747E8882A3ECD29B3EA79@HAL9007>

>From my son. 
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

  _____  

From: Noah Sutton-Smolin [mailto:heedleblambeedle at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:13 PM
To: Rocky Smolin
Subject: Re: FW: [AccessD] Windows 8


Droid X is CIQ-Free 

2011/12/1 Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>


Does your phone run Carrier IQ in the background?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Not if it includes this:

http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi John at all,

How about that probable "Windows Metro Style Killer"  - Android 4.0 "Ice
Cream Sandwich" on x86?:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-pow
<http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/poll-would-you-welcome-an-android-po
wered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101> 
ered-pc/9867?tag=nl.e101

-- Shamil


> >> 29 ?????? 2011, 07:43 ?? jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >>> Shamil,
> >>>
> >>> Actually you touched on the next thing I think which is voice.  My
> >>> Droid
> >> has wonderful voice
> >>> recognition, *when* it is context sensitive.  IOW when I am
> >>> programming
> >> I pretty much type 99% the
> >>> same stuff - keywords, syntax etc over and over.  Dictating code
> >>> to my
> >> computer is something that is
> >>> close I believe and which I will gladly use over typing.
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> Colby Consulting
> >>>
> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
> >>>
> >>> On 11/28/2011 7:25 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> >>>> Darryl --
> >>>>
> >>>> Working with "virtual documents" by hands - two hands - on
> >>>> multi-touch
> >> displays is no doubt more ergonomic and intuitive than using mouse...
> >>>> The next logical step are "virtual desktops" - horizontally
> >>>> mounted
> >> displays, "virtual blackboards" with "virtual keyboards" etc. -
> >> that's another technological revolution of the ways of
> >> communicating with computers by using a broad range of both hands
gestures and voice...
> >>>>
> >>>> The next should probably be "virtual holographic displays" and 3D
> >> communication with them...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Shamil
> >>>>
......

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  2 06:00:32 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:00:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@t
	orchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com><CAFa8NkhP=gAh
	BLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <4ED8BDE0.7000702@torchlake.com>

Steve,
You're right.  I left out that part, didn't I?  ALMOST all the big green 
arrows were for GIMP, but one, right under the Paint.NET real link was 
another big green arrow for FoxTab PDF Creator.  I agree with you that 
the website layout is poor and confusing.  But, as I said, I persevered 
and finally got Paint.net.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/1/2011 6:44 PM, Steve Schapel wrote:
> I think this is just a case of a really poor and confusing website 
> layout design.
>
> The bit towards the top right, where it says:
> "Get it now (free download)
> Paint.NET v 3.5.10"
> ... that's the bit that is relevant to the Paint.Net download.
>
> The big button underneath that, green, with "Download" - that's part 
> of a big square advertisement that (for me at the moment) relates to 
> FoxTab PDF Creator.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Doug Steele
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
>> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
>> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table 
>> near the
>> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to 
>> click
>> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
>> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a 
>>> site
>>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  When I try to find paint.net
>>>>
>>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>>> T
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Darryl.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  --
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>>
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>>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  2 06:02:02 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:02:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@t
	orchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8BE3A.4030002@torchlake.com>

Hi Doug,
Yes, that is the site they point to.  It's just really badly laid out.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/1/2011 6:28 PM, Doug Steele wrote:
> I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
>
>> Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
>> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
>> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near the
>> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
>> the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
>> big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>>> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   When I try to find paint.net
>>>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
>>>> T
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Darryl.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   --
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  2 06:40:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:40:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
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	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>

This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download someone else's program.  they 
apparently get paid for clicks so they intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally make 
the big green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few cents of you go there, 
even if you just immediately click your back button.

Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the same place where all the big
> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the
> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click the free
> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.
> What a strange experience.
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  2 06:40:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:40:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0221BBAF2771444A816DA3E51B18F5AF@stevelaptop>
Message-ID: <4ED8C743.40302@colbyconsulting.com>

No, I think it is intentional.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/1/2011 6:44 PM, Steve Schapel wrote:
> I think this is just a case of a really poor and confusing website layout design.
>
> The bit towards the top right, where it says:
> "Get it now (free download)
> Paint.NET v 3.5.10"
> ... that's the bit that is relevant to the Paint.Net download.
>
> The big button underneath that, green, with "Download" - that's part of a big square advertisement
> that (for me at the moment) relates to FoxTab PDF Creator.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Doug Steele
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paint.net
>
> I see what you mean. The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
>> same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP. However, by
>> following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near the
>> bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click
>> the free link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the
>> big green arrows all were for GIMP. What a strange experience.
>>
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a site
>>> that WOT is less than thrilled with. What's going on?
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> When I try to find paint.net
>>>>
>>>> for download, I find GIMP. Are they the same thing?
>>>> T
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ditto, but it looks very nice. We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
>>>>> glance) looks better. Nice one ! :) thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will download and have a look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Darryl.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  2 07:03:38 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:03:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4
	_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>

What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download 
> someone else's program.  they apparently get paid for clicks so they 
> intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally make the big 
> green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few 
> cents of you go there, even if you just immediately click your back 
> button.
>
> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to 
>> the same place where all the big
>> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and 
>> clicking on the dotpdn button in the
>> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where 
>> small text says to click the free
>> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big 
>> green arrows all were for GIMP.
>> What a strange experience.
>> T
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  2 07:22:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:22:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4
	_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8D113.4070204@colbyconsulting.com>

 > What a goofy way to make a living! :-)

LOL, yep.  Most of the time the text next to the big green button clearly states that it is for some 
other program but we are at that page to download some specific thing and out brain just tells us 
that nobody is intentionally going to try and trick us.

Well guess what, someone is PAID to trick us.

I find the whole thing extremely annoying.  It usually takes a fair amount of time to figure out 
where to click to actually get what you want.  Often times when you finally do discover the right 
place to click, it takes you to another page where the process begins all over.

Paying anyone for clicks on their page that send people to my page breeds all kinds of scams but 
that is the way the internet works.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/2/2011 8:03 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download someone else's program. they
>> apparently get paid for clicks so they intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally
>> make the big green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few cents of you go
>> there, even if you just immediately click your back button.
>>
>> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the same place where all the big
>>> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the
>>> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click the free
>>> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.
>>> What a strange experience.
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Dec  2 07:28:40 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 05:28:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <4ED8D113.4070204@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<56653D383CB8034199
	5245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com> <CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4
	_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
	<4ED8D113.4070204@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <D98C7389-E685-4017-9FCC-5786AF04EF44@phulse.com>

Maybe the website operators aren't aware of it and the ads are being delivered by a third party ad network?

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 2 Dec 2011, at 05:22, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> > What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
> 
> LOL, yep.  Most of the time the text next to the big green button clearly states that it is for some other program but we are at that page to download some specific thing and out brain just tells us that nobody is intentionally going to try and trick us.
> 
> Well guess what, someone is PAID to trick us.
> 
> I find the whole thing extremely annoying.  It usually takes a fair amount of time to figure out where to click to actually get what you want.  Often times when you finally do discover the right place to click, it takes you to another page where the process begins all over.
> 
> Paying anyone for clicks on their page that send people to my page breeds all kinds of scams but that is the way the internet works.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/2/2011 8:03 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
>> T
>> 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>> 231-322-2787
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>>> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download someone else's program. they
>>> apparently get paid for clicks so they intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally
>>> make the big green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few cents of you go
>>> there, even if you just immediately click your back button.
>>> 
>>> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>>> 
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>> 
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>> 
>>> On 12/1/2011 6:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>>> Well, I persevered. The links provided by John and Doug took me to the same place where all the big
>>>> green arrows download GIMP. However, by following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the
>>>> table near the bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to click the free
>>>> link over on the far right. In every page of this journey, the big green arrows all were for GIMP.
>>>> What a strange experience.
>>>> T
>>>> 
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 07:45:49 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:45:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com><28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55DEAB4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com><CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com><4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com><4ED8C73C.6010407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4ED8CCAA.10302@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <B6F0A8BAA7D14FB58571DF02F7AC1F30@SusanHarkins>

Passive income... the best kind! ;) 

I'll click for food... 

Susan H. 


> What a goofy way to make a living! :-)
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> 
> On 12/2/2011 7:40 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>> This happens with most of those pages that exist just to download 
>> someone else's program.  they apparently get paid for clicks so they 
>> intentionally make it very confusing, they intentionally make the big 
>> green arrow go to something else entirely because they get paid a few 
>> cents of you go there, even if you just immediately click your back 
>> button.
>>
>> Hint, the BIG GREEN BUTTON is *not* the one you want to click on.
>>



From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 08:34:40 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:34:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>

Most of our machines are work are still running XP and Office 2003.
Works fine until you hit the row limits in Excel or something.   I've
never been a fan of upgrading operating systems - well not since the
DOS days anyway. The hardware requirements go up with each new version
and so you are usually not as happy with the new OS on old hardware as
you would be with the New OS on New hardware. With the price of
hardware as low as it is now I thinik it's a better choice to just
replace the enter box OS and all. If you need to upgrade at all that
is. The question is, what do they need to do that they can't do now?

GK

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> The client wants a full version of Office, word and excel for cheap and they
> have been hearing how fast a Linux server is. Two years ago they would have
> never said such a thing. Linux, if they even cared about it, was just for
> geeks. Now they are asking. Android has changed all that.
>
> I have not decided what to tell them yet but if dollars are a concern stick
> with XP until you need new computers would be my first thought.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:08 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>
> I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
> meant. Why?

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  2 10:27:51 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:27:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem
Message-ID: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>

I have had occasion to create custom spread sheets from access table data
where TransferSpreadsheet wouldn't work.
 
After all of the rows have been written, I use: 
 
objXLWS.Columns("A:U").Columns.AutoFit 
 
and all of the columns automagically adjust their widths to fit the data so
when the user opens it up it looks real pretty and all the data is displayed
- column set to the width of the longest value in the column - but without a
lot of white space which you'd get if you tried to guess the column width
needed.
 
HTH somebody
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  2 10:29:04 2011
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:29:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Company name matching/standardization
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>,
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>,
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>,
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>


Hello All,
 
Anyone done any matching or standardization routines around company names?
 
Thanks,
 
Mark M.
 		 	   		  

From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 10:33:29 2011
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:33:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Company name matching/standardization
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAsLj-SBOF8B-cX2VJrJbcmVoF6zQSoEOTjCZV5v2qYkOw@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

Can you give a little more info? What's the context? Are you looking for
Address etc.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> Hello All,
>
> Anyone done any matching or standardization routines around company names?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark M.
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Dec  2 12:24:38 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:24:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5441C45C-DD66-46D4-A008-B2841A18393C@phulse.com>



Not to mention the massive pollution to the environment by simply discarding computer hardware just to get that new upgrade to something new or run the latest version of Windows. It would be far better to recycle and repurpose computers you presently own, if you plan to upgrade your main desktop (ie. put linux on it or turn it into a media or web server or something like that), or give it away to someone else who can make use of it.

This is an oft neglected subject, simply because all the waste gets exported halfway across the world, where we don't have to see or deal with the effects of it ourselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMOAWW6I0k

- Hans






On 2011-12-02, at 6:34 AM, Gary Kjos wrote:

> Most of our machines are work are still running XP and Office 2003.
> Works fine until you hit the row limits in Excel or something.   I've
> never been a fan of upgrading operating systems - well not since the
> DOS days anyway. The hardware requirements go up with each new version
> and so you are usually not as happy with the new OS on old hardware as
> you would be with the New OS on New hardware. With the price of
> hardware as low as it is now I thinik it's a better choice to just
> replace the enter box OS and all. If you need to upgrade at all that
> is. The question is, what do they need to do that they can't do now?
> 
> GK
> 
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> The client wants a full version of Office, word and excel for cheap and they
>> have been hearing how fast a Linux server is. Two years ago they would have
>> never said such a thing. Linux, if they even cared about it, was just for
>> geeks. Now they are asking. Android has changed all that.
>> 
>> I have not decided what to tell them yet but if dollars are a concern stick
>> with XP until you need new computers would be my first thought.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:08 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>> 
>> I never really understood what "their old XP computers do need a face-lift"
>> meant. Why?
> 
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Fri Dec  2 12:47:22 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:47:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
Message-ID: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>

 
 Does anyone know where I can find some good name
 matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
 I can look into ?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Ed Zuris.
 edzedz at comcast.net
 
 
 


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 12:51:51 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:51:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>

I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 12:55:53 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:55:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem
In-Reply-To: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>
References: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_cg-CJD76FAcJTTz1bY4pZO3igQ-1NWbGPTKyBvQfEVg@mail.gmail.com>

Just curious.  What happens if one of the fields is a memo field?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I have had occasion to create custom spread sheets from access table data
> where TransferSpreadsheet wouldn't work.
>
> After all of the rows have been written, I use:
>
> objXLWS.Columns("A:U").Columns.AutoFit
>
> and all of the columns automagically adjust their widths to fit the data so
> when the user opens it up it looks real pretty and all the data is
> displayed
> - column set to the width of the longest value in the column - but without
> a
> lot of white space which you'd get if you tried to guess the column width
> needed.
>
> HTH somebody
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
>
> <http://www.bchacc.com/
>
> >
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/
>
> >
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Fri Dec  2 13:33:21 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:33:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>



 It might be.

 Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?

 Thanks.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
for?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
>
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From jackandpat.d at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 13:52:55 2011
From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com (jack drawbridge)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 14:52:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <CAKvidAsDMjt+e8ub5N14dv0Bm-pYNmWAaEc1PGY4kri1J9jQ6g@mail.gmail.com>

See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  2 13:55:48 2011
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 19:55:48 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Company name matching/standardization
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAsLj-SBOF8B-cX2VJrJbcmVoF6zQSoEOTjCZV5v2qYkOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sed3c36c.021@cactus.dk>,
	<CAH+Met-RvYM+JPkLrU1t_wYr_nxb=OsYcY_H_RYLofa47bsubw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4ED62278.3040000@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RW3cE-0001xC-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f150.mail.ru>,
	<2549AAC9775448649F15DF6186F297E2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<016601ccb04b$d16f7480$744e5d80$@winhaven.net>,
	<FBE3DE4CFBF0473C8E61282938A710C2@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<CAJ2R_pJX=ZwaEDKf=-kFE4waZ8GzyySELvvoqWWRaJZY3M-Bkg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<COL118-W6041EB75F2B90BCDEA7E9AD2B60@phx.gbl>,
	<CAKvidAsLj-SBOF8B-cX2VJrJbcmVoF6zQSoEOTjCZV5v2qYkOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W53D40A2FDFFA6BA9A61EF0D2B60@phx.gbl>


Address standardization is everywhere...we us the postal service.
 
Even the first/last name is covered.
 
I'm specifically looking for company/business names.  I have found a few packages/services online...I was just wondering if anyone had any experience working with or writing VBA/SQL to accomplish something like this.
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte 
 

> From: jackandpat.d at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:33:29 -0500
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Company name matching/standardization
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Can you give a little more info? What's the context? Are you looking for
> Address etc.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com>wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Anyone done any matching or standardization routines around company names?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark M.
> >
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec  2 14:02:12 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 15:02:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <001e01ccb12d$4864ec00$d92ec400$@net>

Ed - I once had a project to convert mis-spelled names and typical aliases
to a "standard name".
This client had inconsistent data coming from multiple sources. It had to be
consolidated.
It was pretty simple actually. I built a cross-reference table that
associated all alias's and mis-spellings to a single reference name.
Every month we'd run the matching process I developed, find more "drop outs"
(reference names with no matches),
And then just add them to the cross-reference table and re-run the reports.
I did this in Excel, but definitely doable in Access with a single table.

That's a table-driven approach.
Now if you want something more elegant and heuristic,
ask those two guys who started this small company with a funny name that
begins with a G.
They're pretty good at matching-up words.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:47 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
>
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Fri Dec  2 14:10:21 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:10:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <001e01ccb12d$4864ec00$d92ec400$@net>
Message-ID: <000b01ccb12e$6b974730$5bdea8c0@edz1>



 Thanks. . .


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


Ed - I once had a project to convert mis-spelled names and typical
aliases to a "standard name". This client had inconsistent data coming
from multiple sources. It had to be consolidated. It was pretty simple
actually. I built a cross-reference table that associated all alias's
and mis-spellings to a single reference name. Every month we'd run the
matching process I developed, find more "drop outs" (reference names
with no matches), And then just add them to the cross-reference table
and re-run the reports. I did this in Excel, but definitely doable in
Access with a single table.

That's a table-driven approach.
Now if you want something more elegant and heuristic,
ask those two guys who started this small company with a funny name that
begins with a G. They're pretty good at matching-up words.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:47 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 15:23:34 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:23:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701ccb129$40844ed0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_gpXG3Wa533kTCrHE2uwZdWUKExOgvd58msfoAeLeE3Q@mail.gmail.com>

http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html


Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  2 15:31:30 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:31:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_cg-CJD76FAcJTTz1bY4pZO3igQ-1NWbGPTKyBvQfEVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DA5AC8D3D1634F3981F5FB2F49817309@HAL9007>
	<CAH+Met_cg-CJD76FAcJTTz1bY4pZO3igQ-1NWbGPTKyBvQfEVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCAFC687D88C469E91D6F95374550A88@HAL9007>

Don't know.  Never had an occasion to export a memo field.  I've had some
very long test fields which made the column width unwieldy.  So after that
statement I adjust the long field to something reasonable and turn on the
word wrap.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Solution in search of a problem

Just curious.  What happens if one of the fields is a memo field?

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I have had occasion to create custom spread sheets from access table 
> data where TransferSpreadsheet wouldn't work.
>
> After all of the rows have been written, I use:
>
> objXLWS.Columns("A:U").Columns.AutoFit
>
> and all of the columns automagically adjust their widths to fit the 
> data so when the user opens it up it looks real pretty and all the 
> data is displayed
> - column set to the width of the longest value in the column - but 
> without a lot of white space which you'd get if you tried to guess the 
> column width needed.
>
> HTH somebody
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com
>
> <http://www.bchacc.com/
>
> >
> www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/
>
> >
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec  2 15:48:50 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:48:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
Message-ID: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Of course, most old hardware won't do.

But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600 with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly. 

It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>

 Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.

Jim. 




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  2 16:04:12 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:04:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

There wa a recent discussion on one of the LinkedIn Access forums about optimising a 
"fuzzy matching"  function.   Final Test code is here:
http://code.google.com/p/fast-vba-fuzzy-scoring-algorithm/source/browse/trunk/Fuzzy2

Try the HotFuzz() function at the end.  

I think I may have also have some Levenshtein distance code sitting around somewhere.  I 
will have a dig around.


-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 11:47, Edward Zuris wrote:

>  
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>  
>  Thanks.
>  
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>  
>  
>  
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  2 16:07:18 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:07:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.

-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  2 16:48:48 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:48:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4ED955D0.31652.7CBE789@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

> On 2 Dec 2011 at 11:47, Edward Zuris wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >  
> >  Thanks.
> >  
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >  

Function LevenshteinDistance(phrase1 As String, phrase2 As String) As Long
'Calculates the minimum number of edits required to transform
'Phrase1 into Phrase2 using addition, deletion, and substitution of characters
'Case insensitive
Dim str1() As String
Dim str2() As String
Dim dist() As Long
Dim lngLen1 As Long
Dim lngLen2 As Long
Dim i As Long
Dim j As Long
Dim k As Long
Dim a(2) As Long
Dim r As Long
Dim cost As Long
   lngLen1 = Len(phrase1)
   lngLen2 = Len(phrase2)
   ReDim str1(lngLen1)
   ReDim str2(lngLen2)
   ReDim dist(lngLen1, lngLen2)

   For i = 1 To lngLen1
       str1(i) = UCase$(Mid$(phrase1, i, 1))
   Next
   For i = 1 To lngLen2
       str2(i) = UCase$(Mid$(phrase2, i, 1))
   Next
   For i = 0 To lngLen1
       dist(i, 0) = i
   Next
   For j = 0 To lngLen2
       dist(0, j) = j
   Next
   For i = 1 To lngLen1
       For j = 1 To lngLen2
           If str1(i) = str2(j) Then
               cost = 0
           Else
               cost = 1
           End If
           a(0) = dist(i - 1, j) + 1             '' deletion
           a(1) = dist(i, j - 1) + 1             '' insertion
           a(2) = dist(i - 1, j - 1) + cost      '' substitution
           r = a(0)
           For k = 1 To UBound(a)
               If a(k) < r Then r = a(k)
           Next
           dist(i, j) = r
       Next
   Next
   LevenshteinDistance = dist(lngLen1, lngLen2)
End Function




From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec  2 17:50:19 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 03:50:19 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
References: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <E1RWcrz-0000WH-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f69.mail.ru>

Hi Gustav --

Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...

And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning WP7 development...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
> Hi Jim
> 
> Of course, most old hardware won't do.
> 
> But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600 with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
> 
> It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>
> 
>  Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
> 
> Jim.
> 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Dec  3 09:21:24 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:21:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1RWcrz-0000WH-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f69.mail.ru>
References: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
	<E1RWcrz-0000WH-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f69.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <591BD9DBEA5E4256B8EBECFC66083908@XPS>


 It's the memory that's the kicker.  Six years ago, the 2 and 3 GB machines
you are describing would have been considered higher end machines; not the
typical entry level machines that most businesses put in place.

 In fact if you remember when Vista came out, the big stink was that
Microsoft said flat out "buy new hardware" if you wanted to use all the
features (it was more then memory, but memory was a good part of it).  Many
at that time asked if Vista was even worth the upgrade price considering you
could not use most of the new features if you didn't get new hardware.

 Win 7 is a far better OS then Vista and is what Vista should have been, but
it's still something I would not consider running on anything less then 2GB.

 I have clients that have fallen behind on five year replacement cycles and
have systems running from .5 GB to 1.5GB.   Even with XP, that's a stretch.
And yes I know memory is cheap, but in many cases the MB is maxed out and
upgrading is not possible.  Replacing the station as a whole is the best
approach, but they've held off.

 Thankfully most of them are caught up now, but I still have a few
stragglers.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 06:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8

Hi Gustav --

Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop
Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...

And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while
debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and
XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning
WP7 development...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
> Hi Jim
> 
> Of course, most old hardware won't do.
> 
> But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion
zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600
with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
> 
> It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>
> 
>  Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
> 
> Jim.
> 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Dec  3 09:43:49 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:43:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED955D0.31652.7CBE789@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4ED955D0.31652.7CBE789@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <006f01ccb1d2$5a050a30$0e0f1e90$@net>

Extremely interesting. Does GOOGLE use this or a proprietary variant I
wonder ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levenshtein_distance





From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 11:38:15 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:38:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Better solutions ?

 Please share.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.

-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 11:40:30 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:40:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94B5C.13549.7A31211@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000701ccb1e2$a7124760$5bdea8c0@edz1>



 Thanks. . .

 Will look into the HotFuzz() function at the end.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


There wa a recent discussion on one of the LinkedIn Access forums about
optimising a 
"fuzzy matching"  function.   Final Test code is here:
http://code.google.com/p/fast-vba-fuzzy-scoring-algorithm/source/browse/
trunk/Fuzzy2

Try the HotFuzz() function at the end.  

I think I may have also have some Levenshtein distance code sitting
around somewhere.  I 
will have a dig around.


-- 
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 11:47, Edward Zuris wrote:

>  
>  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
>  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
>  I can look into ?
>  
>  Thanks.
>  
>  Ed Zuris.
>  edzedz at comcast.net
>  
>  
>  
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 12:12:40 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:12:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_gpXG3Wa533kTCrHE2uwZdWUKExOgvd58msfoAeLeE3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01ccb1e7$2575a350$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Thanks.

  http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html


Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 12:14:43 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:14:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <CAKvidAsDMjt+e8ub5N14dv0Bm-pYNmWAaEc1PGY4kri1J9jQ6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01ccb1e7$6ed6bbb0$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Thanks Jack.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack
drawbridge
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Dec  3 13:50:12 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:50:12 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <591BD9DBEA5E4256B8EBECFC66083908@XPS>
References: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
	<E1RWcrz-0000WH-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f69.mail.ru>
	<591BD9DBEA5E4256B8EBECFC66083908@XPS>
Message-ID: <E1RWvbA-00054T-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f39.mail.ru>

Hi Jim --

Yes, I do remember Vista - I have used it with the same laptop I mentioned with 2GB RAM for more than four years.  :)
I've changed/enlarged HDD, added 1GB of memory and installed Win 7 this summer only.
This five years old PC is not good enough for full scale Windows Phone7.1  Development and it can't be used at all for SharePoint Development but other VS2010 SP1 project types development proceed smoothly on this PC, and MS Office 2010 "flies" on it.

Yes, you're right  "memory is the kicker" but for end-user systems 1.5 GB and even 1GB should be good enough for Win 7 I suppose.
2GB is much better of course but AFAIU your customers can't install 2GB as that is not technically possible for their PCs - then that should be very old PCs?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


03 ??????? 2011, 19:22 ?? "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>:
> 
>  It's the memory that's the kicker.  Six years ago, the 2 and 3 GB machines
> you are describing would have been considered higher end machines; not the
> typical entry level machines that most businesses put in place.
> 
>  In fact if you remember when Vista came out, the big stink was that
> Microsoft said flat out "buy new hardware" if you wanted to use all the
> features (it was more then memory, but memory was a good part of it).  Many
> at that time asked if Vista was even worth the upgrade price considering you
> could not use most of the new features if you didn't get new hardware.
> 
>  Win 7 is a far better OS then Vista and is what Vista should have been, but
> it's still something I would not consider running on anything less then 2GB.
> 
>  I have clients that have fallen behind on five year replacement cycles and
> have systems running from .5 GB to 1.5GB.   Even with XP, that's a stretch.
> And yes I know memory is cheap, but in many cases the MB is maxed out and
> upgrading is not possible.  Replacing the station as a whole is the best
> approach, but they've held off.
> 
>  Thankfully most of them are caught up now, but I still have a few
> stragglers.
> 
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 06:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
> 
> Hi Gustav --
> 
> Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop
> Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...
> 
> And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while
> debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and
> XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning
> WP7 development...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > Of course, most old hardware won't do.
> >
> > But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion
> zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600
> with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
> >
> > It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11 >>>
> >
> >  Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec  3 16:40:20 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 08:40:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <4EDAA554.2194.CEA8394@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Levenshtein and the HotFuzz() function for two,

On 3 Dec 2011 at 10:38, Edward Zuris wrote:

> 
>  Better solutions ?
> 
>  Please share.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:07 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
> 
> 
> Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> 
> > I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking
> 
> > for?
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> > >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> > >  I can look into ?
> > >
> > >  Thanks.
> > >
> > >  Ed Zuris.
> > >  edzedz at comcast.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec  3 18:23:04 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 19:23:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <E1RWvbA-00054T-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f39.mail.ru>
References: <sed955e0.064@cactus.dk>
	<E1RWcrz-0000WH-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f69.mail.ru>
	<591BD9DBEA5E4256B8EBECFC66083908@XPS>
	<E1RWvbA-00054T-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f39.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4EDABD68.3040307@colbyconsulting.com>

I have to say that the hybrid disk I bought made an enormous difference with Windows 7 in my laptop.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007605%2050001305&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&SrchInDesc=momentus%20xt&Page=1&PageSize=100

It adds a 4 gig "SSD" (flash) cache to store small files that are loaded often.  It takes several 
times loading things but on the second or third pass suddenly stuff loads faster.

I bought one for my laptop and I was so pleased that I did the same for my wife's notebook.  It is 
not the same experience as a full on SSD boot disk but very close.

On my WMC system downstairs I repurposed an old 30 gb SSD drive that simply wasn't big enough to 
make the boot disk, and I put a 15 gb readyboost cache on it and put the swap file on the rest. 
That too has made an enormous difference.

But for a notebook where you only have a single disk slot, try the seagate momentus.  It may give 
the old laptop an addition couple of years.  I actually replaced my brand new laptop's 5400 rpm 
drive with this thing and man what a difference.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/3/2011 2:50 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Hi Jim --
>
> Yes, I do remember Vista - I have used it with the same laptop I mentioned with 2GB RAM for more than four years.  :)
> I've changed/enlarged HDD, added 1GB of memory and installed Win 7 this summer only.
> This five years old PC is not good enough for full scale Windows Phone7.1  Development and it can't be used at all for SharePoint Development but other VS2010 SP1 project types development proceed smoothly on this PC, and MS Office 2010 "flies" on it.
>
> Yes, you're right  "memory is the kicker" but for end-user systems 1.5 GB and even 1GB should be good enough for Win 7 I suppose.
> 2GB is much better of course but AFAIU your customers can't install 2GB as that is not technically possible for their PCs - then that should be very old PCs?
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> 03 ??????? 2011, 19:22 ?? "Jim Dettman"<jimdettman at verizon.net>:
>>
>>   It's the memory that's the kicker.  Six years ago, the 2 and 3 GB machines
>> you are describing would have been considered higher end machines; not the
>> typical entry level machines that most businesses put in place.
>>
>>   In fact if you remember when Vista came out, the big stink was that
>> Microsoft said flat out "buy new hardware" if you wanted to use all the
>> features (it was more then memory, but memory was a good part of it).  Many
>> at that time asked if Vista was even worth the upgrade price considering you
>> could not use most of the new features if you didn't get new hardware.
>>
>>   Win 7 is a far better OS then Vista and is what Vista should have been, but
>> it's still something I would not consider running on anything less then 2GB.
>>
>>   I have clients that have fallen behind on five year replacement cycles and
>> have systems running from .5 GB to 1.5GB.   Even with XP, that's a stretch.
>> And yes I know memory is cheap, but in many cases the MB is maxed out and
>> upgrading is not possible.  Replacing the station as a whole is the best
>> approach, but they've held off.
>>
>>   Thankfully most of them are caught up now, but I still have a few
>> stragglers.
>>
>> Jim.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>> Shamil
>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 06:50 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 8
>>
>> Hi Gustav --
>>
>> Yes, Windows 7 Ultimate runs very well here on my DELL Inspiron 9400 laptop
>> Dual Core 2GHz Intel with 3GB RAM - 5+ years old device...
>>
>> And this old laptop also runs rather well Windows Phone 7 emulator  while
>> debugging/running WP7 project under VS2010 SP1 - a bit slow start-up (and
>> XNA development isn't available AFAIS) but still well IMO to start learning
>> WP7 development...
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> -- Shamil
>>
>> 03 ??????? 2011, 01:45 ?? "Gustav Brock"<Gustav at cactus.dk>:
>>> Hi Jim
>>>
>>> Of course, most old hardware won't do.
>>>
>>> But I just installed Windows 7 Pro on my 6 years old HP 17" Pavilion
>> zd8000 (zd8237) laptop (P4, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram, 90 GB disk, ATI Radeon X600
>> with DirectX 9) and it runs of course not fast but smoothly.
>>>
>>> It took a little to locate the legacy ATI video drivers for Vista, though.
>>>
>>> /gustav
>>>
>>>>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-12-2011 22:11>>>
>>>
>>>   Try running Win 7 on older hardware and you won't like it.
>>>
>>> Jim.
>>>
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>>
>> --
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>>
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec  3 20:06:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:06:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subversion repositories and server
Message-ID: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com>

I use subversion here at my office.  I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without 
really understanding it.

I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to 
replace some less reliable Access stuff.  I want the repositories to reside on the server with all 
of its raid and backup safety net.

Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it 
is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory.

When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but 
I do not know how to do that.

I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it.  I 
created a group and a user and ser my user into the group.  I then created two repositories for two 
different projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user.

My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now?  I am using VS 2010, and it has 
the VisualSVN package installed.  I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get 
data from the repository server.  Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell 
VisualSVN in the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that.  The "Get 
solution from Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find 
my repository and I have no clue what the URL is.

IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff.  Any help is much appreciated.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec  3 21:39:42 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 22:39:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VSN right click isn't working
Message-ID: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com>

I use VSN with right click context stuff to check in and out some DLLs such as NLog which are 
referenced by my projects but are not stuff that I can directly open in VS and use that to do the 
checkin.  The problem is that while the right click menu works on my systems at the office, at my 
client they cause Windows Explorer to crash, as in close and explorer reopens a few seconds later. 
Right clicking on any file or directory causes the explorer crash.

I eventually found this thing called ShellExView that allows one to see the right click processes 
that are hooking into Explorer's right click widget, and from there I caused all of the VSNTortoise 
stuff to stop and the crashes stopped.

So I can't use VSN's stuff on my dev machine at the client to check directories in and out of 
tortoise / VSN and so I have no way to check in initially.

I decided to try and do this on the server directly and the right click menu works just fine there, 
or at least doesn't page fault explorer.  However when I try to check it in, it complains about a 
different user or something.

Sigh.  AFAIC I do not have to have this in source control, i.e. the reference that I am trying to 
check in are just dlls which are referenced at a specific path on my hard disk and for that purpose 
having them in source control doesn't matter.  However putting it in source control allows me to 
"check them out" from any other machine which needs them, and further if I get a new version of a 
file (nlogs.dll for example) I can check it in and then check it out on other machines to get the 
latest.  The whole point of source control really.  So long term I really want to get this working.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Dec  4 04:20:48 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 11:20:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8
Message-ID: <sedb57ae.076@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Had the same idea about a 64 GB SSD drive I have at hand, but my old zd8000 sports an ATA interface only. No cigar.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 04-12-2011 01:23 >>>
I have to say that the hybrid disk I bought made an enormous difference with Windows 7 in my laptop.





From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec  4 09:48:14 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:48:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4EDAA554.2194.CEA8394@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<000601ccb1e2$56b2b7a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
	<4EDAA554.2194.CEA8394@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000001ccb29c$22db9540$6892bfc0$@net>

Best solution IMHO:
Use all three....table lookup, and then the below.
> Levenshtein and the HotFuzz() function for two,
>




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 09:59:19 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:59:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Users in SQL Server
Message-ID: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>


Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not have a pair of users I use for 
my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp.  The problem is that one of the the databases 
that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those users.  When I try to set those 
users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server principal 'DiscoApp' already exists. 
  Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights  - db_reader, db_writer etc.

I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need an explanation of why it won't 
allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the check boxes are enabled when I 
select that database.  I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and then set 
the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my changes and 
re-adds the user to the database.  This just seems strange.  If I don't do this rigamarole then I 
have a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but when I look at it back at 
the server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that database.

Any assistance great fully accepted.
-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 10:13:31 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 11:13:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>

 >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and then set the rights through 
the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my changes and re-adds the user to the 
database.

Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I discovered that all of the rights to 
objects in the database were removed.  For example I had rights to execute stored procedures 
assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to execute were lost.

Sigh.

This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>
> Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not have a pair of users I use for
> my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is that one of the the databases
> that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those users. When I try to set those
> users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
> Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights - db_reader, db_writer etc.
>
> I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need an explanation of why it won't
> allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the check boxes are enabled when I
> select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and then set
> the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my changes and
> re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I don't do this rigamarole then I have
> a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but when I look at it back at the
> server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that database.
>
> Any assistance great fully accepted.



From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec  4 11:36:01 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 12:36:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>

John - as you are discovering (the hard way I might add),
SQL Security is a whole specialty onto itself....in fact, there have been
books written about just that.
Here's one that may be helpful:
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-Administrators-Pocket-Consultant/dp/0
73562738X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323019853&sr=1-4
and here's another:
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-2008-Management-Administration/dp/067
233044X/ref=pd_sim_b_6


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:14 AM
> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Access Developers discussion
> and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>
>  >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and
> then set the rights through
> the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my
> changes and re-adds the user to the
> database.
>
> Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I discovered
> that all of the rights to
> objects in the database were removed.  For example I had rights to
> execute stored procedures
> assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to
> execute were lost.
>
> Sigh.
>
> This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
> >
> > Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not
> have a pair of users I use for
> > my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is
> that one of the the databases
> > that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those
> users. When I try to set those
> > users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server
> principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
> > Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights -
> db_reader, db_writer etc.
> >
> > I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need
> an explanation of why it won't
> > allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the
> check boxes are enabled when I
> > select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user out
> in that database and then set
> > the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it
> happily accepts my changes and
> > re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I don't
> do this rigamarole then I have
> > a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but
> when I look at it back at the
> > server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that
> database.
> >
> > Any assistance great fully accepted.
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Dec  4 12:47:53 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 13:47:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
Message-ID: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to 
placed in the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 12:52:18 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:52:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <356134BD550B4B7E94EFBF1984EC2284@SusanHarkins>



stu_counselor.Value = combobox.value

Is stu_counselor bound to a control in your form? If it is, this should be 
easy enough.

Susan H.


> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who will 
> be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  Once 
> that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to placed in 
> the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
> tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued. 
> Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
> -- 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From steve at goodhall.info  Sun Dec  4 12:54:43 2011
From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:54:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <f1f67b23-4cd8-48b9-9eb3-ed7a48ff17f7@blur>

Why store the counselor name in the student table?  Why not just store the  
id and use a join when you need the name?  That way if the counselor's name  
changes (marriage, divorce, whim) you don't need to run around updating  
student records. 

Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP

-----Original message-----
From: Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 18:47:04 GMT+00:00
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to 
placed in the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

-- 
AccessD mailing list
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 13:25:49 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:25:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
Message-ID: <4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks for the suggestions.  Has anyone ever used a kindle edition of books like this?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 12:36 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> John - as you are discovering (the hard way I might add),
> SQL Security is a whole specialty onto itself....in fact, there have been
> books written about just that.
> Here's one that may be helpful:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-Administrators-Pocket-Consultant/dp/0
> 73562738X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323019853&sr=1-4
> and here's another:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-2008-Management-Administration/dp/067
> 233044X/ref=pd_sim_b_6
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:14 AM
>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Access Developers discussion
>> and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>>
>>   >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database and
>> then set the rights through
>> the user back in the server security stuff it happily accepts my
>> changes and re-adds the user to the
>> database.
>>
>> Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I discovered
>> that all of the rights to
>> objects in the database were removed.  For example I had rights to
>> execute stored procedures
>> assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to
>> execute were lost.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>>>
>>> Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not
>> have a pair of users I use for
>>> my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is
>> that one of the the databases
>>> that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those
>> users. When I try to set those
>>> users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server
>> principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
>>> Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights -
>> db_reader, db_writer etc.
>>>
>>> I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need
>> an explanation of why it won't
>>> allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the
>> check boxes are enabled when I
>>> select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user out
>> in that database and then set
>>> the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it
>> happily accepts my changes and
>>> re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I don't
>> do this rigamarole then I have
>>> a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database but
>> when I look at it back at the
>>> server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that
>> database.
>>>
>>> Any assistance great fully accepted.
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 14:20:22 2011
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 12:20:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>

Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for kindle
these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop and
laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it. Much
less clutter on the book shelves. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server

Thanks for the suggestions.  Has anyone ever used a kindle edition of books
like this?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 12:36 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> John - as you are discovering (the hard way I might add), SQL Security 
> is a whole specialty onto itself....in fact, there have been books 
> written about just that.
> Here's one that may be helpful:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-Administrators-Pocket-Consultan
> t/dp/0
> 73562738X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323019853&sr=1-4
> and here's another:
> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Server-2008-Management-Administration/
> dp/067
> 233044X/ref=pd_sim_b_6
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:14 AM
>> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Access Developers discussion 
>> and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>>
>>   >I just discovered that if I delete the user out in that database 
>> and then set the rights through the user back in the server security 
>> stuff it happily accepts my changes and re-adds the user to the 
>> database.
>>
>> Unfortunately after I did this delete / re-add rigamarole I 
>> discovered that all of the rights to objects in the database were 
>> removed.  For example I had rights to execute stored procedures 
>> assigned to these users but after deleting the users the rights to 
>> execute were lost.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> This SQL Server Users stuff is really developer unfriendly.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 10:59 AM, jwcolby wrote:
>>>
>>> Several times now I have run into an issue where SQL Server does not
>> have a pair of users I use for
>>> my Access application called DiscoAdmin and DiscoApp. The problem is
>> that one of the the databases
>>> that I am picking up on that server was already set up and has those
>> users. When I try to set those
>>> users up in the server's security it tells me that "the server
>> principal 'DiscoApp' already exists.
>>> Basically I am able to create the user but not assign rights -
>> db_reader, db_writer etc.
>>>
>>> I have always been fuzzy about how this stuff works and I just need
>> an explanation of why it won't
>>> allow me to set these rights even though the user exists and the
>> check boxes are enabled when I
>>> select that database. I just discovered that if I delete the user 
>>> out
>> in that database and then set
>>> the rights through the user back in the server security stuff it
>> happily accepts my changes and
>>> re-adds the user to the database. This just seems strange. If I 
>>> don't
>> do this rigamarole then I have
>>> a DiscoApp in the database with a set of rights for that database 
>>> but
>> when I look at it back at the
>>> server level it does not reflect those rights for that user for that
>> database.
>>>
>>> Any assistance great fully accepted.
>>
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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Sun Dec  4 14:27:16 2011
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:27:16 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <f1f67b23-4cd8-48b9-9eb3-ed7a48ff17f7@blur>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
	<f1f67b23-4cd8-48b9-9eb3-ed7a48ff17f7@blur>
Message-ID: <F3998A6DCEDC4CAA8AA0C688B88720EC@stevelaptop>

Tina,

I agree with Steve.  On the face of what you have told us so far, what you 
are trying to do here is irregular.

Assuming the combobox is bound to a field in the tblStudent table, what 
field is it?

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Goodhall
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Why store the counselor name in the student table?  Why not just store the
id and use a join when you need the name?  That way if the counselor's name
changes (marriage, divorce, whim) you don't need to run around updating
student records.

Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP

-----Original message-----
From: Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 18:47:04 GMT+00:00
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who
will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to
placed in the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to
update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

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231-322-2787

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec  4 15:41:56 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:41:56 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EDBE924.30917.11DB6A54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Bad girl!  :-)

tbStudent.Stu_Counselor should be a numerice field which contains the Counselor_ID 
foreign key.  You should NOT be storing the counselor's name in individual student records.

Set the Control Source of the combobox to Stu_Counselor and set its bound column to the 
(zero based) column number of the field you want to store in the student record.


-- 
Stuart


On 4 Dec 2011 at 13:47, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> Dear Friends,
> 
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
> Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to 
> placed in the student's record.
> 
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in 
> tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
> 
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
> Any help waking up my brain?
> 
> Thanks,
> T
> 
> -- 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec  4 16:48:47 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:48:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <9E5970D986864D8BB3B1035FBDAB2589@HAL9007>

If Counselor_Lname is not a bound field in the form then there are two ways
to do this:  1) an Update Query - ( cheat by writing the update query in the
QBE and copy the SQL from the SQL View of the query) set db = CurrentDb,
then db.Execute the update query string, 2) DAO = open a recordset of
tblCounselor either filtered to include only the record you want or all
records then use .FIndFirst to find the record you want.  Then
.Edit/.Update.  Walla!

HTH

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:48 AM
To: DatabaseAdvisors-Access
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this

Dear Friends,

Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who will be
assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the form.  
Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor to placed in
the student's record.

So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to update
the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found in
tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.

I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be rescued.  
Any help waking up my brain?

Thanks,
T

--
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tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec  4 17:15:14 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 18:15:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>

But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in PDF
format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.

> Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
> kindle
> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
> and
> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
> Much
> less clutter on the book shelves.




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 18:15:00 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:15:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?

I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to change that property 'on the fly'...

Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.

Cheers
Darryl.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 18:18:56 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 19:18:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
Message-ID: <4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>

 > But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?

Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently can with the new Kindle Touch 
which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.  I am looking at buying one of these.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in PDF
> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>
>> Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>> kindle
>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>> and
>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>> Much
>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>
>



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 18:45:52 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 16:45:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>

It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
Why would you even want to change it on the fly?

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
>
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a solution
> (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it seems like an odd
> thing to enforce on developers, especially as the form is nearly always
> going to be open and in use when you want to change that property 'on the
> fly'...
>
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 18:58:47 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:58:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE3F4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.

For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from listbox 1, then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its list (so multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list box 1 has only one option selected than listbox 2 should allow multi-select to be available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 has a dependency on what the user selects (or doesn't select) in listbox 1 and visa versa.  If a user chooses multiple values in listbox 2 first, then only a single option should be allowed from listbox 1 and the status change from multi to single.

Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a work around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I can understand why you should not be able to change the state of the active listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, unless you are in design mode.

Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, but there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this is one of them.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
Why would you even want to change it on the fly?

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in 
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
>
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> change that property 'on the fly'...
>
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 19:07:17 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:07:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE3F4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAH+Met_9oUc+pb6VRWoeRUYb9MNQtvXGiLCX9teWvdMyfb1Lbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE3F4@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met95nqo1v0B3wD-ujhuM7At9pjsuje6NC7v=ztY1+Bhukg@mail.gmail.com>

Simplest way to handle it is with stacked controls using the particular
settings you need.  Just  set their visibility depending on the selection
in listbox 2.  No need to make design changes to the form, which is what
you're doing when you change the property of the control itself.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its
> state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.
>
> For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is
> 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from listbox 1,
> then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its list (so
> multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list box 1 has only
> one option selected than listbox 2 should allow multi-select to be
> available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 has a dependency on
> what the user selects (or doesn't select) in listbox 1 and visa versa.  If
> a user chooses multiple values in listbox 2 first, then only a single
> option should be allowed from listbox 1 and the status change from multi to
> single.
>
> Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a work
> around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I can
> understand why you should not be able to change the state of the active
> listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, unless you are in
> design mode.
>
> Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, but
> there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this is one of
> them.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.
>
> It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
> Why would you even want to change it on the fly?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins <
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in
> > design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> >
> > I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a
> > solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it
> > seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the
> > form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to
> > change that property 'on the fly'...
> >
> > Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> >
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 19:09:34 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:09:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
touch screen for a long time. ;-)

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> > But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>
> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently can
> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.  I
> am looking at buying one of these.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>
>> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>> PDF
>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>
>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>> kindle
>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>> and
>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>> Much
>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec  4 19:10:02 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:10:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE39C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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It's not an Access thing, it's a Windows thing.  Listbox and Combobox common controls, and 
some others,  don't support modifying Window Styles dynamically. 

The only way to change Style and Extended Style attributes for these is to  destroy and 
recreate the control regardless of what development environment you are in.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 0:15, Darryl Collins wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that? 
> 
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a
> solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it
> seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the
> form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to
> change that property 'on the fly'... 
> 
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 19:41:16 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 01:41:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
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Aaaah, now that makes more sense...  I figured there is likely to be a deeper reason I just didn't understand.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

It's not an Access thing, it's a Windows thing.  Listbox and Combobox common controls, and some others,  don't support modifying Window Styles dynamically. 

The only way to change Style and Extended Style attributes for these is to  destroy and recreate the control regardless of what development environment you are in.

--
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 0:15, Darryl Collins wrote:

> Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is in 
> design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> 
> I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> change that property 'on the fly'...
> 
> Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 19:53:02 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 01:53:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
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Hi Charlotte,

Yeah, that was my original idea, have one listbox set to multi and the other set to single and swap the visibility, but in reality that wasn't going to work functionally for what is required here.  Mainly as the process is not a linear one, so the user can 'go back' (so to speak) can change how many records are selected in either list box - or select them in any order, there is left to right sequence required   Of course choosing one of each only is also a valid option.

No, I ended up using option II I found on Google, which is to emulate what I was looking to do via code.

This works by first counting how many records are selected in the active listbox and setting a public Boolean variable.  I then use code like this

I use an onclick event to work out how many records are selected (If the other list box has more than one record select this stage is skipped as we have already set the select status on both boxes).

For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
    If lstBox1.Selected(i) = True Then
        x = x + 1
        strMaterialTypeName(x) = lstBox1.Column(0, x)

    End If
Next i

If x > 1 Then
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = False
Else
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = True
End If

'----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then when the user clicks on the the other listbox we already know the status of the original listbox


If gbInputMatTypeMS = False Then
    For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
        lstBox1.Selected(i) = False
    Next i
    lstBox1.Selected(lstBox1.ListIndex + 1) = True
End If

'------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Which will force the other listbox to only select the item click on by the user if the multiselect variable for the dependant listbox is set to FALSE (gbInputMatTypeMS=False).
This actually works rather well and painlessly.  It allows the user to automagically select whatever they want in any order and the listboxes adjust state accordingly depending on how many records are chosen in each listbox.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

Simplest way to handle it is with stacked controls using the particular settings you need.  Just  set their visibility depending on the selection in listbox 2.  No need to make design changes to the form, which is what you're doing when you change the property of the control itself.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its 
> state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.
>
> For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is 
> 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from 
> listbox 1, then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its 
> list (so multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list 
> box 1 has only one option selected than listbox 2 should allow 
> multi-select to be available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 
> has a dependency on what the user selects (or doesn't select) in 
> listbox 1 and visa versa.  If a user chooses multiple values in 
> listbox 2 first, then only a single option should be allowed from 
> listbox 1 and the status change from multi to single.
>
> Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a 
> work around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I 
> can understand why you should not be able to change the state of the 
> active listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, 
> unless you are in design mode.
>
> Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, 
> but there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this 
> is one of them.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.
>
> It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
> Why would you even want to change it on the fly?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins < 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is 
> > in design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> >
> > I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> > solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> > seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> > form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> > change that property 'on the fly'...
> >
> > Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 20:19:54 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 02:19:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Multi Select.
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Doh... proof reading is important... proof reading is important...

" there is NO left to right sequence required  "

Bah..

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

Hi Charlotte,

Yeah, that was my original idea, have one listbox set to multi and the other set to single and swap the visibility, but in reality that wasn't going to work functionally for what is required here.  Mainly as the process is not a linear one, so the user can 'go back' (so to speak) can change how many records are selected in either list box - or select them in any order, there is left to right sequence required   Of course choosing one of each only is also a valid option.

No, I ended up using option II I found on Google, which is to emulate what I was looking to do via code.

This works by first counting how many records are selected in the active listbox and setting a public Boolean variable.  I then use code like this

I use an onclick event to work out how many records are selected (If the other list box has more than one record select this stage is skipped as we have already set the select status on both boxes).

For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
    If lstBox1.Selected(i) = True Then
        x = x + 1
        strMaterialTypeName(x) = lstBox1.Column(0, x)

    End If
Next i

If x > 1 Then
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = False
Else
    gbOutputMatTypeMS = True
End If

'----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then when the user clicks on the the other listbox we already know the status of the original listbox


If gbInputMatTypeMS = False Then
    For i = 0 To lstBox1.ListCount - 1
        lstBox1.Selected(i) = False
    Next i
    lstBox1.Selected(lstBox1.ListIndex + 1) = True End If

'------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Which will force the other listbox to only select the item click on by the user if the multiselect variable for the dependant listbox is set to FALSE (gbInputMatTypeMS=False).
This actually works rather well and painlessly.  It allows the user to automagically select whatever they want in any order and the listboxes adjust state accordingly depending on how many records are chosen in each listbox.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.

Simplest way to handle it is with stacked controls using the particular settings you need.  Just  set their visibility depending on the selection in listbox 2.  No need to make design changes to the form, which is what you're doing when you change the property of the control itself.

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> It is not the active control itself, which I agree needs to retain its 
> state - at least while active, but the other listboxes on the form.
>
> For example I have a form where listbox 1's default setting is 
> 'multi-select' and if the user chooses more than one option from 
> listbox 1, then list box 2 can only allow a single option from its 
> list (so multi-select should = none for listbox 2).  However if list 
> box 1 has only one option selected than listbox 2 should allow 
> multi-select to be available.  So the multi-select status of listbox 2 
> has a dependency on what the user selects (or doesn't select) in 
> listbox 1 and visa versa.  If a user chooses multiple values in 
> listbox 2 first, then only a single option should be allowed from 
> listbox 1 and the status change from multi to single.
>
> Yep, I have a real live scenario where this has to happen.  I have a 
> work around which basically fakes that behaviour and it works ok.  I 
> can understand why you should not be able to change the state of the 
> active listbox, but you cannot change any listboxes on the form, 
> unless you are in design mode.
>
> Oh well.... Just curious - seems a bit like a case of laziness to me, 
> but there are often other implications I am yet to grasp, maybe this 
> is one of them.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Multi Select.
>
> It makes sense to me.  A control is either going to be multiselect or not.
> Why would you even want to change it on the fly?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Darryl Collins < 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm... Turns out you can only set this property when the form is 
> > in design mode, even via VBA.  Why on earth would they do that?
> >
> > I have a couple of workarounds in the bag, so not looking for a 
> > solution (unless you have a really cool one you can share), but it 
> > seems like an odd thing to enforce on developers, especially as the 
> > form is nearly always going to be open and in use when you want to 
> > change that property 'on the fly'...
> >
> > Anyone got any thoughts on this?  Just curious.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec  4 21:07:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 22:07:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
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Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>>> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>
>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently can
>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.  I
>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>
>>> But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>>> PDF
>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>
>>>   Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>> kindle
>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>> and
>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>> Much
>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From Benson at ge.com  Sun Dec  4 21:24:49 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:24:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
and an annoyance to me personally.

TIA.





From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec  4 22:04:37 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 20:04:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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I suppose it's there in case you mistakenly start to delete all records in a
table or mean to delete 100 and delete 10,000 instead.  The only way I know
is DoCmd.SetWarnings False but that's in code.

Rocky
 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
personally.

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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 22:05:29 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 04:05:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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Hi Bill,

It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How are you deleting them?

>From what I understand if you can use 

CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror
to execute them without messages

or

if necessary (last resort) you can use

With DoCmd
	.SetWarnings False
	.OpenQuery "QueryName"
	.SetWarnings True
End with

It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well <<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>

Does any of that help?



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Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me personally.

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 22:09:20 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 23:09:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
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	<CB8632CD9E7248BD9AB00A254A4D01D8@HAL9007>
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Yeah code or a macro step I guess is all I got. I'd hoped a hot key variant
on run might turn up.
On Dec 4, 2011 11:05 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I suppose it's there in case you mistakenly start to delete all records in
> a
> table or mean to delete 100 and delete 10,000 instead.  The only way I know
> is DoCmd.SetWarnings False but that's in code.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
> (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
> without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
> there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
> inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
> undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
> superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
> than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
> personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 22:11:59 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 23:11:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE64D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE64D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V58qc-do3t64svHROQixuLz1G43Qko0vuL2Ud5w6YMZ7w@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe the maxlocks will. For this I don't want code cuz I just wanted a
quicker way to run a query in view just after editing.

Thanks.
On Dec 4, 2011 11:08 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How are
> you deleting them?
>
> From what I understand if you can use
>
> CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror
> to execute them without messages
>
> or
>
> if necessary (last resort) you can use
>
> With DoCmd
>        .SetWarnings False
>        .OpenQuery "QueryName"
>        .SetWarnings True
> End with
>
> It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well <<
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>
>
> Does any of that help?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE
> Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
> without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
> there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
> inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
> undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
> superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
> than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
> personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Sun Dec  4 22:26:37 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 04:26:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster
	Delete	Queries
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V58qc-do3t64svHROQixuLz1G43Qko0vuL2Ud5w6YMZ7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE64D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V58qc-do3t64svHROQixuLz1G43Qko0vuL2Ud5w6YMZ7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE68B@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Give it a try Bill.  Although I didn't read anyone who actually had any success with that approach and the message.  It seems it must impact some users as MS have gone to the trouble of publishing that page.  You can turn off warnings at an application level, but I am not sure if that will be effective or not with the undo warning.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 3:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Maybe the maxlocks will. For this I don't want code cuz I just wanted a quicker way to run a query in view just after editing.

Thanks.
On Dec 4, 2011 11:08 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How 
> are you deleting them?
>
> From what I understand if you can use
>
> CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror to execute 
> them without messages
>
> or
>
> if necessary (last resort) you can use
>
> With DoCmd
>        .SetWarnings False
>        .OpenQuery "QueryName"
>        .SetWarnings True
> End with
>
> It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well << 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>
>
> Does any of that help?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William (GE 
> Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete 
> Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back 
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA 
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts 
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, 
> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but 
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior 
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is 
> useless and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec  1 22:34:11 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 22:34:11 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster
	Delete	Queries
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE64D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EE64D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <004101ccb0ab$a3f488f0$ebdd9ad0$@comcast.net>

No Messages --> CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries

Hi Bill,

It seems you get this message depending on how you do the delete.  How are
you deleting them?

>From what I understand if you can use 

CurrentDb.Execute("DELETE FROM tblMyTable"), dbfailonerror to execute them
without messages

or

if necessary (last resort) you can use

With DoCmd
	.SetWarnings False
	.OpenQuery "QueryName"
	.SetWarnings True
End with

It seems you can also get this if you hit MaxLocksPerFile as well
<<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286153>>

Does any of that help?



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 2:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back again,
without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA routine? Or is
there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts query execution to
inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer, thus continuing without
undo. I understand why Access offers this but frankly for me it is
superfluous, I would never change my behavior regarding that message other
than to click ok, so the warning is useless and an annoyance to me
personally.

TIA.



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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 23:23:47 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 21:23:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL

Charlotte Foust

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.  ;)
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently
>>> can
>>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.
>>>  I
>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>
>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>>>> PDF
>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>
>>>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>>
>>>>> kindle
>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>>> and
>>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>>> Much
>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
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>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/****mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>
>>> <http:**//databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.
>>>
>>> ****com<http://www.**databaseadvisors.com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Dec  5 06:35:00 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:35:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EDCBA74.70207@colbyconsulting.com>

http://www.ecolibris.net/bnindex.asp

;)

It's unfortunate they stopped graphing the results.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/5/2011 12:23 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.  ;)
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>
>>> Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
>>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently
>>>> can
>>>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch screen.
>>>>   I
>>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>
>>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books in
>>>>> PDF
>>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>>>
>>>>>> kindle
>>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>>>> Much
>>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   --
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>



From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Mon Dec  5 08:21:33 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:21:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <008401ccb122$d40d7d40$5bdea8c0@edz1>,
	<CAH+Met9ZLCvtf166i3BmSv48F+pgWaH_jEbDxVSP3G9KZFZGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED94C16.28124.7A5E6EC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EA8AF852@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Citations? :-)

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 5:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA

Soundex is very limited, that are much better solutions.

--
Stuart

On 2 Dec 2011 at 10:51, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name  matching 
> > algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Dec  5 08:30:26 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 09:30:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>


  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries

Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
and an annoyance to me personally.

TIA.



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From drawbridgej at sympatico.ca  Mon Dec  5 08:37:02 2011
From: drawbridgej at sympatico.ca (Jack and Pat)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:37:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <000d01ccb1e7$6ed6bbb0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
References: <CAKvidAsDMjt+e8ub5N14dv0Bm-pYNmWAaEc1PGY4kri1J9jQ6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<000d01ccb1e7$6ed6bbb0$5bdea8c0@edz1>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP29F5E9AC3CF73022E0993BC4B50@phx.gbl>

Ed, 
Here is a link showing both Soundex and Levenshtein distance code for vba

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1607690/finding-similar-sounding-text-in-
vba

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Edward Zuris
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


 Thanks Jack.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack
drawbridge
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
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From edzedz at comcast.net  Mon Dec  5 12:20:45 2011
From: edzedz at comcast.net (Edward Zuris)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:20:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP29F5E9AC3CF73022E0993BC4B50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002401ccb37a$9bd7e0a0$5bdea8c0@edz1>


 Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jack and Pat
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


Ed, 
Here is a link showing both Soundex and Levenshtein distance code for
vba

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1607690/finding-similar-sounding-text
-in-
vba

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Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


 Thanks Jack.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jack
drawbridge
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA


See http://allenbrowne.com/vba-Soundex.html

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>  It might be.
>
>  Is there a Access example that I could study to see if would fit ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Any good name matching algorithms in VBA
>
>
> I used to use Soundex a lot.  Is that the kind of thing you're looking

> for?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Edward Zuris <edzedz at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Does anyone know where I can find some good name
> >  matching algorithms in VBA, and or examples, that
> >  I can look into ?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >  Ed Zuris.
> >  edzedz at comcast.net
> >
> >
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Dec  5 14:42:20 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 15:42:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Of possible interest: Deploying LightSwitch
 Applications to Windows Azure
Message-ID: <86C79486EC244013B7EB9E95C3C0D47E@XPS>


Deploying LightSwitch Applications to Windows Azure

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/hh547097.aspx
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/hh547097.aspx> 
 
 gustav mentioned Lightswitch some time ago.  May be of interest to some
Access developers looking for something else, but don't want to move into
.Net.
 
Jim



From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 15:09:43 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:09:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

There is something that I require to be true, upon testing, or this one
particular form I consider to be dangerous to use. It is a condition
that may change over the session, it is not necessarily a stable
condition during the user session.

I understand it can be tested for on Form Open, and the opening of the
form can then be canceled. But how about afterwards:  For example,
suppose on activation of the form, I want to test the condition again.
According to an error message I just got, I am not allowed to close the
form during the form's events.

I am kinda stumped how to protect myself now, if I cannot make this
check-environment-and-dismiss-form occur on a form's events.

I guess I could have a hidden form checking this on a timed basis but I
am sure that will cause some regrets.

TIA...



From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Dec  5 15:43:47 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:43:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Of possible interest: Deploying
	LightSwitch	Applications to Windows Azure
Message-ID: <sedd493c.011@cactus.dk>

Thanks Jim, very promising.

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 05-12-2011 21:42 >>>

Deploying LightSwitch Applications to Windows Azure

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/hh547097.aspx 
 
 gustav mentioned Lightswitch some time ago.  May be of interest to some
Access developers looking for something else, but don't want to move into
.Net.
 
Jim




From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 15:51:33 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 13:51:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9AkKa70wGf9GVAM1J16+4zu8jMCNu7NLwKTDTevqd3xg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not clear on what the problem is.  You can close a form from other
events within a form.  What was the message you got and what event were you
trying to use?

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Benson, William (GE Global Research,
consultant) <Benson at ge.com> wrote:

> There is something that I require to be true, upon testing, or this one
> particular form I consider to be dangerous to use. It is a condition
> that may change over the session, it is not necessarily a stable
> condition during the user session.
>
> I understand it can be tested for on Form Open, and the opening of the
> form can then be canceled. But how about afterwards:  For example,
> suppose on activation of the form, I want to test the condition again.
> According to an error message I just got, I am not allowed to close the
> form during the form's events.
>
> I am kinda stumped how to protect myself now, if I cannot make this
> check-environment-and-dismiss-form occur on a form's events.
>
> I guess I could have a hidden form checking this on a timed basis but I
> am sure that will cause some regrets.
>
> TIA...
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 15:55:15 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 07:55:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Presumably when you say "dangerous to use", you are referring to triggering control events 
on the form.   

What happens if you:
1.  build a function which checks for the condition and closes the form if necesary
2. Call the function as the first step in any potentially dangerous control event.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 16:09, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> There is something that I require to be true, upon testing, or this one
> particular form I consider to be dangerous to use. It is a condition
> that may change over the session, it is not necessarily a stable
> condition during the user session.
> 
> I understand it can be tested for on Form Open, and the opening of the
> form can then be canceled. But how about afterwards:  For example,
> suppose on activation of the form, I want to test the condition again.
> According to an error message I just got, I am not allowed to close the
> form during the form's events.
> 
> I am kinda stumped how to protect myself now, if I cannot make this
> check-environment-and-dismiss-form occur on a form's events.
> 
> I guess I could have a hidden form checking this on a timed basis but I
> am sure that will cause some regrets.
> 
> TIA...
> 
> -- 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 17:14:29 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:14:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDCBA74.70207@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>
	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDC3574.1090602@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met-=ybAE0_hLtNb33c26LvUUVtpG=DYzDY70Z=JjcskCJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EDCBA74.70207@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table and
load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle layout or
feel, so I see no reason to change now.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:35 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> http://www.ecolibris.net/**bnindex.asp<http://www.ecolibris.net/bnindex.asp>
>
>
>
> ;)
>
> It's unfortunate they stopped graphing the results.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/5/2011 12:23 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.
>>>  ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>  Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the keyboard and
>>>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsult**ing.com<http://colbyconsulting.com>
>>>>
>>>> <jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>>
>>>>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You apparently
>>>>> can
>>>>> with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual keyboard and touch
>>>>> screen.
>>>>>  I
>>>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get books
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>> PDF
>>>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  kindle
>>>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my desktop
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> laptop. That way I can share the book between my devices. I like it.
>>>>>>> Much
>>>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> **<http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> ****com<http://www.**databasea**dvisors.com<http://databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.**databaseadvisors.com <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec  5 18:10:08 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:10:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EDB9C2B.1010201@colbyconsulting.com>	<002601ccb2ab$31538290$93fa87b0$@net>
	<4EDBC93D.8040801@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001201ccb2c2$269e9b70$73dbd250$@cox.net>
	<000f01ccb2da$94de8f10$be9bad30$@net>	<4EDC0DF0.2020107@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met_HKa84StZnKDi7Uurn_O=WWNkEOwci=v=B2+OCWWrxRQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I think the one upside of Kindle over a tablet is probably the battery life.  Personally I like a good ol' fashioned book.  I love the way I can read it on the beach and never have to worry about battery issues, screen resolution, reflection or it getting too much salt and sand in the cracks.  I like the tactile book thing too.  The feel of the paper, the smell, the way you can get an idea of where you are in the story visually, and it make an excellent shade over your eyes when you want to have nap - try doing that with your tablet ;)

The can see some upside to kindle and their ilk such as:

1: Environmental (less paper, less supply chain costs, less printing issues, less waste etc)
2: Speed of delivery (usually a lot faster than even FedEx)
3: Weight (books are heavy if you need to carry a lot of them)
4: Searchable: Much faster to search and reference

But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)

Just my thoughts
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server

I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:35 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> http://www.ecolibris.net/**bnindex.asp<http://www.ecolibris.net/bninde
> x.asp>
>
>
>
> ;)
>
> It's unfortunate they stopped graphing the results.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/5/2011 12:23 AM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reminder, Chicken Little.  LOL
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:07 PM, 
>> jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Yes but the nook is sold by a company that might not be here in a year.
>>>  ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2011 8:09 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
>>>
>>>  Or you could buy the new Nook tablet.  The Nook has had the 
>>> keyboard and
>>>> touch screen for a long time. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, 
>>>> jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsult**ing.com<http://colbyconsulting.com>
>>>>
>>>> <jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>>
>>>>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently to some extent that depends on the version.  You 
>>>>> apparently can with the new Kindle Touch which has a virtual 
>>>>> keyboard and touch screen.
>>>>>  I
>>>>> am looking at buying one of these.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/4/2011 6:15 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  But - can you mark-up or annotate with a Kindle ? I love to get 
>>>>> books in
>>>>>
>>>>>> PDF
>>>>>> format and use Acrobat Pro to add notes and comments and highlighting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Don't know about this book but I try and get all my tech books 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  kindle
>>>>>>> these days. Have a kindle reader and have the pc reader on my 
>>>>>>> desktop and laptop. That way I can share the book between my 
>>>>>>> devices. I like it.
>>>>>>> Much
>>>>>>> less clutter on the book shelves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> /databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
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>>>>> /databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>>
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>>>>> atabaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
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>>>>> s.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.**databaseadvisors.com 
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>>>>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 18:20:25 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 10:20:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA25@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA25@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EDD5FC9.21974.4DC27B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

http://www.thinkleadershipideas.com/leadershipideasblog/files/book.php

On 6 Dec 2011 at 0:10, Darryl Collins wrote:


> But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)
> 
> Just my thoughts
> Darryl.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
> 
> I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table
> and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle
> layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now. 
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec  5 18:56:59 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:56:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hehehehe.... exactly.   All jokes aside, the paperback book is in many ways a nearly perfect technology.  It is a bit like the traditional mousetrap or the standard design on the traditional dial telephone.  Some designs are sooo close to being optimal there is little advantage in tweaking them. 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server

http://www.thinkleadershipideas.com/leadershipideasblog/files/book.php

On 6 Dec 2011 at 0:10, Darryl Collins wrote:


> But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)
> 
> Just my thoughts
> Darryl.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
> 
> I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table 
> and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle 
> layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 


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From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 20:41:28 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:41:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Sorry, I cannot make my statement about "dangerous to use" very clear at
this time. Essentially, if the form is open and a certain value has
changed (say, for example, a user's privileges have changed from one
class to another) then I do not want them able to see the form that they
had been looking at. So it was on the activate event that this was to be
checked for.

That is not the exact condition, it is a representative example.

To answer Charlotte's question:

"this action cannot be carried out while processing a form or report
event"

Here is a sample of code you can put in a form that is already opened:

Private Sub Form_Activate()
If 1 = 2 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
End Sub


Launch the form, then deactivate it by opening a different form.

Change the code to
If 1 = 1 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name

Click back on the first form, you will get this error message.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 21:22:25 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 13:22:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>,
	<4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4EDD8A71.27107.582C7BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You can set me.Visible = False instead of closing the form.

How to garbage collect and subsequently close the hidden form is left as an exercise for the 
reader. :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 21:41, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> Sorry, I cannot make my statement about "dangerous to use" very clear at
> this time. Essentially, if the form is open and a certain value has
> changed (say, for example, a user's privileges have changed from one
> class to another) then I do not want them able to see the form that they
> had been looking at. So it was on the activate event that this was to be
> checked for.
> 
> That is not the exact condition, it is a representative example.
> 
> To answer Charlotte's question:
> 
> "this action cannot be carried out while processing a form or report
> event"
> 
> Here is a sample of code you can put in a form that is already opened:
> 
> Private Sub Form_Activate()
> If 1 = 2 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
> End Sub
> 
> 
> Launch the form, then deactivate it by opening a different form.
> 
> Change the code to
> If 1 = 1 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
> 
> Click back on the first form, you will get this error message.
> 
> 
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> 





From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 22:04:22 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:04:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event
In-Reply-To: <4EDD8A71.27107.582C7BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F353@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>,
	<4EDD3DC3.15134.4573DA2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F556@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDD8A71.27107.582C7BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F580@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Not a difficult task... but not something I want to resort to. I gave up
:-(

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close a form during the Activate event

You can set me.Visible = False instead of closing the form.

How to garbage collect and subsequently close the hidden form is left as
an exercise for the reader. :-)

--
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 21:41, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> Sorry, I cannot make my statement about "dangerous to use" very clear 
> at this time. Essentially, if the form is open and a certain value has

> changed (say, for example, a user's privileges have changed from one 
> class to another) then I do not want them able to see the form that 
> they had been looking at. So it was on the activate event that this 
> was to be checked for.
> 
> That is not the exact condition, it is a representative example.
> 
> To answer Charlotte's question:
> 
> "this action cannot be carried out while processing a form or report 
> event"
> 
> Here is a sample of code you can put in a form that is already opened:
> 
> Private Sub Form_Activate()
> If 1 = 2 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name End Sub
> 
> 
> Launch the form, then deactivate it by opening a different form.
> 
> Change the code to
> If 1 = 1 Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Me.Name
> 
> Click back on the first form, you will get this error message.
> 
> 
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



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From Benson at ge.com  Mon Dec  5 22:08:44 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:08:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I have a client who feels he will have contractors who will have Access
2010 but (unbelievably) not Outlook on their PCs. So he wanted me to
remove any references to Outlook. Well, thing is, I did not have a
reference to outlook, I had Access sending some tables through
.SendObject, and also I in another situation use Excel's library to
attach and mail a file. I can get both applications to run these steps
with no DLL reference to Outlook, however without taking Outlook itself
off my machine, I cannot really be sure what would happen if the Excel
or Access applications tried these steps with no Outlook. Anyone know?
Will those applications still call some default e-mail client? Will they
just throw off an error? Not process the command?

Pls help me know what to expect, if possible, thanks. 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec  5 22:57:34 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:57:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on the workstation in 
question.  If nothing else has been installed, it is likely to use OE or Windows Mail depending 
on the OS. In my case, it invokes Pegasus Mail.

If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message telling them that they 
need to configure one.

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Dec 2011 at 23:08, Benson, William (GE Global Re wrote:

> I have a client who feels he will have contractors who will have Access
> 2010 but (unbelievably) not Outlook on their PCs. So he wanted me to
> remove any references to Outlook. Well, thing is, I did not have a
> reference to outlook, I had Access sending some tables through
> .SendObject, and also I in another situation use Excel's library to
> attach and mail a file. I can get both applications to run these steps
> with no DLL reference to Outlook, however without taking Outlook itself
> off my machine, I cannot really be sure what would happen if the Excel
> or Access applications tried these steps with no Outlook. Anyone know?
> Will those applications still call some default e-mail client? Will they
> just throw off an error? Not process the command?
> 
> Pls help me know what to expect, if possible, thanks. 
> 
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 





From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 09:04:37 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:04:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>

Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a couple
of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was trivial. I *love
* when that happens!

Arthur

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on the
> workstation in
> question.  If nothing else has been installed, it is likely to use OE or
> Windows Mail depending
> on the OS. In my case, it invokes Pegasus Mail.
>
> If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message
> telling them that they
> need to configure one.
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 09:27:01 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:27:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>

To add to and reinforce your point, even though I have almost all the
Data-Architecture tools available (ERwin, PowerDesigner, DeZign, Rational
DA, etc.), more often than not I resort to a pencil and paper to lay out
the initial sketch. I don't bother describing the columns at this stage --
just the tables and the joins, and I can use the eraser to refine the
Rdefs. When DBs are extremely complex (i.e. several hundred tables) then I
skip the pencil-stage and go directly to PowerDesigner (my choice) or ERwin
(more often the client's choice, despite its inadequacies). But for SMBs,
my first choice remains pencil and paper, where I capture the logic. Maybe
it's similar to painters who first sketch the landscape in pencil and only
afterward return to the studio and the canvas and the palette. Either way,
the fact remains that I understand the pencil-UI way more intuitively than
anything yet invented, including all of the late Steve Jobs's inventions.
Granted, it took a while to learn how to describe a circle and a square and
a triangle, and then to write the alphabet, but I learned all that before
attending First Grade in school, and would imagine that in these days so do
almost all kids.

Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to
recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to
Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children
will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up
smarter.

Arthur

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hehehehe.... exactly.   All jokes aside, the paperback book is in many
> ways a nearly perfect technology.  It is a bit like the traditional
> mousetrap or the standard design on the traditional dial telephone.  Some
> designs are sooo close to being optimal there is little advantage in
> tweaking them.
>
> --
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 13:01:09 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:01:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>

(I think??) I'm glad to hear this!

Thanks for such well informed responses. There are so many things I take
for granted with MS Office installed.
On Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a couple
> of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was trivial. I
> *love
> * when that happens!
>
> Arthur
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
> >wrote:
>
> > SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on the
> > workstation in
> > question.  If nothing else has been installed, it is likely to use OE or
> > Windows Mail depending
> > on the OS. In my case, it invokes Pegasus Mail.
> >
> > If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message
> > telling them that they
> > need to configure one.
> >
> >
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 13:06:44 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:06:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
In-Reply-To: <6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4q1SnEhGzSGJDWRa=rKyAX9UsFBGXEPEZb=PY7S6uNjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Can't wait to try this (but I have to because I am not near PC)... sounds
promising.
On Dec 5, 2011 9:31 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
> (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
> and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec  6 14:00:06 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:00:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster
	Delete	Queries
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4q1SnEhGzSGJDWRa=rKyAX9UsFBGXEPEZb=PY7S6uNjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS>
	<CAGuQ9V4q1SnEhGzSGJDWRa=rKyAX9UsFBGXEPEZb=PY7S6uNjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B08EF93E3F724E0C847331E79F4296C5@XPS>


  Understand that your not turning off the warning, but setting the query so
transactions are not used.

  That means you'll never run out of locks nor will you get the message that
the transaction cannot be undone past a certain point.

  Only do this if you don't care if a failure occurs in the middle execution
and can simply re-run it if that happens.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 02:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries

Can't wait to try this (but I have to because I am not near PC)... sounds
promising.
On Dec 5, 2011 9:31 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
> (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,
> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is useless
> and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec  6 16:52:04 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 22:52:04 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

" Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up smarter."

Looks good, just purchased a copy from Amazon - thanks :)

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 2:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...

To add to and reinforce your point, even though I have almost all the Data-Architecture tools available (ERwin, PowerDesigner, DeZign, Rational DA, etc.), more often than not I resort to a pencil and paper to lay out the initial sketch. I don't bother describing the columns at this stage -- just the tables and the joins, and I can use the eraser to refine the Rdefs. When DBs are extremely complex (i.e. several hundred tables) then I skip the pencil-stage and go directly to PowerDesigner (my choice) or ERwin (more often the client's choice, despite its inadequacies). But for SMBs, my first choice remains pencil and paper, where I capture the logic. Maybe it's similar to painters who first sketch the landscape in pencil and only afterward return to the studio and the canvas and the palette. Either way, the fact remains that I understand the pencil-UI way more intuitively than anything yet invented, including all of the late Steve Jobs's inventions.
Granted, it took a while to learn how to describe a circle and a square and a triangle, and then to write the alphabet, but I learned all that before attending First Grade in school, and would imagine that in these days so do almost all kids.

Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up smarter.

Arthur

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hehehehe.... exactly.   All jokes aside, the paperback book is in many
> ways a nearly perfect technology.  It is a bit like the traditional 
> mousetrap or the standard design on the traditional dial telephone.  
> Some designs are sooo close to being optimal there is little advantage 
> in tweaking them.
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec  6 17:00:21 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 23:00:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EECAF@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Bill,

You are likely to find this more and more these days as MS Outlook is no longer a standard part of every version of Office these days - rather it is only available on the more costly versions.   You can buy it separately if you wish.  Of course costs vary wildly around the world and here in Oz (Australia) we get ripped pretty badly on prices - so to purchase MS Outlook as a stand-alone product is an additional $180 AUD over and above the cost of the MS office suite (assuming the version you purchased doesn't come with an Outlook License).  Many folks or small businesses, who just want an email client or two, decide it ain't worth the cost and swap to Thunderbird, Pegasus or even Gmail instead.

For the curious... here is what MS Office product cost in AUD (keep in mind that the AUD is worth approx 1.02 USD at the moment - so pretty much parity).

<< http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Technology/Software/Microsoft-Office>>

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 6:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present

(I think??) I'm glad to hear this!

Thanks for such well informed responses. There are so many things I take for granted with MS Office installed.
On Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a 
> couple of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was 
> trivial. I *love
> * when that happens!
>
> Arthur
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan 
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
> >wrote:
>
> > SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on 
> > the workstation in question.  If nothing else has been installed, it 
> > is likely to use OE or Windows Mail depending on the OS. In my case, 
> > it invokes Pegasus Mail.
> >
> > If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message 
> > telling them that they need to configure one.
> >
> >
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Dec  6 17:01:00 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:01:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for
	FasterDelete	Queries
In-Reply-To: <B08EF93E3F724E0C847331E79F4296C5@XPS>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C1302214519@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com><6EC310281C8E4710AEC02AE4B4E90497@XPS><CAGuQ9V4q1SnEhGzSGJDWRa=rKyAX9UsFBGXEPEZb=PY7S6uNjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B08EF93E3F724E0C847331E79F4296C5@XPS>
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C13022B794E@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I accept the warning. I am much more concerned that deleting records
from an open query or table has such an undo feature. Once I have pulled
the trigger on a delete query, I have already done my homework.

Really.

Famous last words.

Thanks again!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for FasterDelete
Queries


  Understand that your not turning off the warning, but setting the
query so transactions are not used.

  That means you'll never run out of locks nor will you get the message
that the transaction cannot be undone past a certain point.

  Only do this if you don't care if a failure occurs in the middle
execution and can simply re-run it if that happens.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Benson
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 02:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries

Can't wait to try this (but I have to because I am not near PC)...
sounds promising.
On Dec 5, 2011 9:31 AM, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Set the queries UseTransaction property to no in query design.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, 
> William (GE Global Research, consultant)
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
Queries
>
> Is there a way to turn warnings off through the interface and back 
> again, without using a macro that has such steps or calling a VBA 
> routine? Or is there a way to get rid of that message that interrupts 
> query execution to inform me about exceeding Access's rollback buffer,

> thus continuing without undo. I understand why Access offers this but 
> frankly for me it is superfluous, I would never change my behavior 
> regarding that message other than to click ok, so the warning is 
> useless and an annoyance to me personally.
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Dec  6 17:09:51 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:09:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EECAF@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C130226F582@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com><4EDDA0BE.17013.5D9E84A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><CAEPJO1gizHvarkuXaq76vQD694LLjhccVBzXfgFRUz+RYd8FXA@mail.gmail.com><CAGuQ9V61G7v-HEzJkcO10Pzkt1NCoXdNZerOo5aED-ZvmhAqyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EECAF@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C13022B795F@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

That's a lot of dough!

Very glad to be kept informed of issues like this Darryl, thanks for
taking the time to add. I find it harder and harder, since working
mostly from home, to keep abreast of what's going on; very gratified for
others weighing in on such matters. Another issue lately is retention. I
just took a battery of tests through a psychological testing company,
and one of the things I found out is that with a lot of detail, my brain
needs a few passes before anything sinks in enough to recall it later.
If one has to solve a problem, hunts around on Google for a solution,
plops it in and the program works ... forget about remembering it. If I
have to mess with it and mess with it til it finally works, there is a
chance. Maybe to a degree this is a lot of folk, not just me - but I
have seen a marked decrease in what I can retain over only a few short
years. This is my long way of saying "I may ask this again some time"
and please, please don't take it as a sign of not paying attention. You
can see by the fact that I have read and replied, that I was at least in
the here and now, paying attention.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl
Collins
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present

Bill,

You are likely to find this more and more these days as MS Outlook is no
longer a standard part of every version of Office these days - rather it
is only available on the more costly versions.   You can buy it
separately if you wish.  Of course costs vary wildly around the world
and here in Oz (Australia) we get ripped pretty badly on prices - so to
purchase MS Outlook as a stand-alone product is an additional $180 AUD
over and above the cost of the MS office suite (assuming the version you
purchased doesn't come with an Outlook License).  Many folks or small
businesses, who just want an email client or two, decide it ain't worth
the cost and swap to Thunderbird, Pegasus or even Gmail instead.

For the curious... here is what MS Office product cost in AUD (keep in
mind that the AUD is worth approx 1.02 USD at the moment - so pretty
much parity).

<<
http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Technology/Software/Micros
oft-Office>>

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Benson
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 6:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .SendObject when Outlook is not present

(I think??) I'm glad to hear this!

Thanks for such well informed responses. There are so many things I take
for granted with MS Office installed.
On Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM, "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Me too. A few years back I did an app used by several locations, a 
> couple of which didn't use Outlook but Pegasus instead, and it was 
> trivial. I *love
> * when that happens!
>
> Arthur
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Stuart McLachlan 
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
> >wrote:
>
> > SendObject will send through whatever the default MAPI client is on 
> > the workstation in question.  If nothing else has been installed, it

> > is likely to use OE or Windows Mail depending on the OS. In my case,

> > it invokes Pegasus Mail.
> >
> > If there is no installed MAPI mail client, they should get a message

> > telling them that they need to configure one.
> >
> >
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From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 17:27:16 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:27:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUH71=6kRLsFpQXUJLjtuTD=ck-oBxqxDAW-C_oHjsZSg@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Benson, William:
> I accept the warning. I am much more concerned that deleting records
> from an open query or table has such an undo feature. Once I have pulled
> the trigger on a delete query, I have already done my homework.
>
> Really.
>
> Famous last words.
>
> Thanks again!
>

I take it that you are running the delete queries from the interface.

Have you tried: Tools -> Options -> Edit/Find Tab -> Turning off Confirm
options: Record Changes, Document Deletions, Action Queries?

This should turn off all the safeties. I mean really, what could possibly
go wrong? ;)

-Ken


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 19:49:54 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 20:49:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jrxvi4ZjXqFu2sfsoZKL3pzZ3JpFFHLEvGn_jx1O6CgA@mail.gmail.com>

It's an awesome work, IMO. I'm certain that you will love it, and your kids
will get the best possible intro to the world of math, not to mention such
things as the reason why some plants have opposing branches while others
have spiraling branches, and a zillion other topics too.

Have fun! I know you will.

A.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> " Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to
> recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to
> Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children
> will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up
> smarter."
>
> Looks good, just purchased a copy from Amazon - thanks :)
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 00:54:44 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 01:54:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Turn off delete buffer warning for Faster Delete
	Queries
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUH71=6kRLsFpQXUJLjtuTD=ck-oBxqxDAW-C_oHjsZSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUH71=6kRLsFpQXUJLjtuTD=ck-oBxqxDAW-C_oHjsZSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6GtTr4m5HrVWhxs_x=gG+wiVXXt3EK17VaKG4tLOpwqg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ken. I want the option for the current query only; that would I think
affect other queries...?
On Dec 6, 2011 6:28 PM, "Kenneth Ismert" <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Benson, William:
> > I accept the warning. I am much more concerned that deleting records
> > from an open query or table has such an undo feature. Once I have pulled
> > the trigger on a delete query, I have already done my homework.
> >
> > Really.
> >
> > Famous last words.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
>
> I take it that you are running the delete queries from the interface.
>
> Have you tried: Tools -> Options -> Edit/Find Tab -> Turning off Confirm
> options: Record Changes, Document Deletions, Action Queries?
>
> This should turn off all the safeties. I mean really, what could possibly
> go wrong? ;)
>
> -Ken
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 01:29:13 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 02:29:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Paint.net
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED2E661.9000808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<28F452091DBF49399F4DF88F0300A737@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4ED7F4F7.5030104@torchlake.com>
	<CAH+Met8TsU5LBjQ-6m5+RLko=80t_4_100Ft+htO28fL3ZUYNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED80BD5.8080904@torchlake.com>
	<CAFa8NkhP=gAhBLFGwYbzQ2L2MZG16MDd33wWvWOLkXUvpE+wKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4Vvsi8DqN5-BDKOJ0dm_JgJHGggVq=0oC6bny6j6=5Yg@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if the original website registration ran out and got scooped up by
a competition
On Dec 1, 2011 6:29 PM, "Doug Steele" <dbdoug at gmail.com> wrote:

> I see what you mean.  The weird thing is that the link I posted was shown
> as 'Paint.Net Website' in the 'Help' menu in Paint.Net itself.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
> tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, I persevered.  The links provided by John and Doug took me to the
> > same place where all the big green arrows download GIMP.  However, by
> > following carefully and clicking on the dotpdn button in the table near
> the
> > bottom of the page, I was taken to the page where small text says to
> click
> > the free link over on the far right.  In every page of this journey, the
> > big green arrows all were for GIMP.  What a strange experience.
> >
> > T
> >
> > Tina Norris Fields
> > tinanfields at torchlake.com
> > 231-322-2787
> >
> >
> > On 12/1/2011 6:00 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> >
> >> The download says paint.net but then leads to a gimp download and a
> site
> >> that WOT is less than thrilled with.  What's going on?
> >>
> >> Charlotte Foust
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Tina Norris Fields<
> >> tinanfields at torchlake.com>  wrote:
> >>
> >>  When I try to find paint.net
> >>>
> >>> for download, I find GIMP.  Are they the same thing?
> >>> T
> >>>
> >>> Tina Norris Fields
> >>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> >>> 231-322-2787
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/27/2011 10:53 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Ditto, but it looks very nice.  We use GIMP at work, but this (at a
> >>>> glance) looks better.  Nice one ! :)  thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Will download and have a look.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Darryl.
> >>>>
> >>>>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Dec  7 15:10:57 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:10:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such as
	Fences)
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

All,

About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
quite useful.

Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.

I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
AccessD Archive to work.

Does anyone have the original post or the link?

Thanks,
Brad



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 15:15:47 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:15:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such as
	Fences)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkg7QwtOVGS5Xmron+UjwHurwv_WU87JJS5JH6h+CevLqg@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a link to a later post on the subject of useful software from Scott
Hanselman:

http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feedburner.com%2FScottHanselman

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
> info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
> had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
> quite useful.
>
> Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.
>
> I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
> AccessD Archive to work.
>
> Does anyone have the original post or the link?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Wed Dec  7 15:20:29 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:20:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such
	asFences)
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEC93@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C6DF@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
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Doug,

Thanks.

I owe ya a beer!

Brad

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities
(such asFences)

Here's a link to a later post on the subject of useful software from
Scott
Hanselman:

http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feed
burner.com%2FScottHanselman

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
> info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
> had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
> quite useful.
>
> Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.
>
> I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
> AccessD Archive to work.
>
> Does anyone have the original post or the link?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Dec  7 15:33:11 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:33:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>

Dear Friends,

Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field 
in the students table in the first place.  There's a story behind this 
and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, 
this time.  This all began as a little database for a counselor friend 
of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were 
responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did 
make a lookup field in the students table that had a value list - just 
the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would 
ultimately be other counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.

When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and 
a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I overlooked the existing 
references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the 
reports.  So, when I saw that records were not appearing for the new 
counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to 
force updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID 
selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries and all the 
reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is 
the only real solution.

I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you 
all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be doing THAT!!!"  You are 
right.  I won't do it again.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the 
> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor 
> to placed in the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found 
> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be 
> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 15:44:43 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:44:43 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities (such
	asFences)
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I will gladly accept one!

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com> wrote:

> Doug,
>
> Thanks.
>
> I owe ya a beer!
>
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:16 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Earlier AccessD Post about Windows Utilities
> (such asFences)
>
> Here's a link to a later post on the subject of useful software from
> Scott
> Hanselman:
>
> http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feed
> burner.com%2FScottHanselman
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Brad Marks <BradM at blackforestltd.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > About a week or two ago, someone posted a link to a website that had
> > info about products to enhance Windows.  One of these was "Fences".  I
> > had never heard of Fences before so I installed it and I find it to be
> > quite useful.
> >
> > Now I am trying to locate the info about the other products.
> >
> > I evidently did not keep the AccessD Email and I can't seem to get the
> > AccessD Archive to work.
> >
> > Does anyone have the original post or the link?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 16:49:07 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:49:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com> <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>
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" and in my heart of hearts I did know it."

Heh... You know Tina, over the years I have had many of these moments, and in every instance it has come back to bite me.  And the longer you leave it, the greater the pain.  These days when I get that feeling, I make sure I fix the problem immediately - even if it seems like a lot of unnecessary work.  I guess the golden rule is nothing should be fixed and everything can (and probably will) change.

I have a great example of "months in the year"  Sure, everyone knows they should be 12, but I had one year, in one company where they had to make it 11 months in a year instead  - they need to do this as the company had been purchased by another company who used a different report cycle.  To get the cycles aligned they had to effective drop a month.  In short,  everyone who had stuff hardcoded regarding months and periods etc had a lot of work to do...  A good example of something that will never ever change, changing.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Dear Friends,

Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field in the students table in the first place.  There's a story behind this and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, this time.  This all began as a little database for a counselor friend of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did make a lookup field in the students table that had a value list - just the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would ultimately be other counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.

When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I overlooked the existing references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the reports.  So, when I saw that records were not appearing for the new counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to force updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries and all the reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is the only real solution.

I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be doing THAT!!!"  You are right.  I won't do it again.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who 
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the 
> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor 
> to placed in the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields 
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found 
> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be 
> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Dec  7 17:04:15 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:04:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4EDBC059.1080609@torchlake.com> <4EDFDB97.8080605@torchlake.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EDFF0EF.7000202@torchlake.com>

Darryl,
Thanks, that is a terrific story.  Yes, I think I finally have this 
lesson learned.  :-)
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/7/2011 5:49 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> " and in my heart of hearts I did know it."
>
> Heh... You know Tina, over the years I have had many of these moments, and in every instance it has come back to bite me.  And the longer you leave it, the greater the pain.  These days when I get that feeling, I make sure I fix the problem immediately - even if it seems like a lot of unnecessary work.  I guess the golden rule is nothing should be fixed and everything can (and probably will) change.
>
> I have a great example of "months in the year"  Sure, everyone knows they should be 12, but I had one year, in one company where they had to make it 11 months in a year instead  - they need to do this as the company had been purchased by another company who used a different report cycle.  To get the cycles aligned they had to effective drop a month.  In short,  everyone who had stuff hardcoded regarding months and periods etc had a lot of work to do...  A good example of something that will never ever change, changing.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
> Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 8:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field in the students table in the first place.  There's a story behind this and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, this time.  This all began as a little database for a counselor friend of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did make a lookup field in the students table that had a value list - just the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would ultimately be other counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.
>
> When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I overlooked the existing references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the reports.  So, when I saw that records were not appearing for the new counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to force updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries and all the reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is the only real solution.
>
> I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be doing THAT!!!"  You are right.  I won't do it again.
>
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who
>> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the
>> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor
>> to placed in the student's record.
>>
>> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
>> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to
>> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found
>> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>>
>> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be
>> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> T
>>


From djkr at msn.com  Wed Dec  7 17:11:59 2011
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:11:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
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Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>

A place I worked for a while had Christmas Day fall in the fourth half of the third month, for similar reasons - yes,
the *fourth* half!  Never assume anything ...

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: 07 December 2011 22:49
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved


" and in my heart of hearts I did know it."

Heh... You know Tina, over the years I have had many of these moments, and in every instance it has come back to bite
me.  And the longer you leave it, the greater the pain.  These days when I get that feeling, I make sure I fix the
problem immediately - even if it seems like a lot of unnecessary work.  I guess the golden rule is nothing should be
fixed and everything can (and probably will) change.

I have a great example of "months in the year"  Sure, everyone knows they should be 12, but I had one year, in one
company where they had to make it 11 months in a year instead  - they need to do this as the company had been purchased
by another company who used a different report cycle.  To get the cycles aligned they had to effective drop a month.  In
short,  everyone who had stuff hardcoded regarding months and periods etc had a lot of work to do...  A good example of
something that will never ever change, changing.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 8:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Dear Friends,

Of course, you were right, I should not have had the Stu_Counselor field in the students table in the first place.
There's a story behind this and a lesson learned again and again, but I think for the last time, this time.  This all
began as a little database for a counselor friend of mine, just to track the students for whom he and his colleague were
responsible.  There were never going to be any more counselors, so I did make a lookup field in the students table that
had a value list - just the two counselors' names.  Okay, I should have known that there would ultimately be other
counselors, and in my heart of hearts I did know it.

When the remodeling time came, I did add a table for the counselors and a numeric field in the students table.  BUT, I
overlooked the existing references to the Stu_Counselor field in the queries that underlay the reports.  So, when I saw
that records were not appearing for the new counselors, in those queries, I started down the wrong path, trying to force
updates into the Stu_Counselor field based on the Counselor_ID selection.  I didn't want to walk through all the queries
and all the reports to find the old links to the Stu_Counselor field.  Yet, that is the only real solution.

I am almost finished examining every query and report now.  Thank you all for gently saying "WHAT!!! You shouldn't be
doing THAT!!!"  You are right.  I won't do it again.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/4/2011 1:47 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Okay, I have a form with a combo-box for selecting the counselor who
> will be assigned to the student whose record is displayed in the 
> form.  Once that is updated, I want the matching name of the counselor 
> to placed in the student's record.
>
> So combo-box is looking into the tblCounselor, which has two fields
> Counselor_ID and Counselor_LName.  Once the choice is made, I want to 
> update the field Stu_Counselor in the tblStudent with the name found 
> in tblCounselor.Counselor_LName.
>
> I'm writing gibberish in my AfterUpdate event and I need to be
> rescued.  Any help waking up my brain?
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Dec  7 17:29:33 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:29:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server - well OT now...
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA79@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1iKgCHOuJQU3qp_kot1mzZQ_6HOVVycBC+yhPsrURVEpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EDFF6DD.9050605@torchlake.com>

Thank you, Arthur.  I have just ordered the book.

"Tangentially relevant and directed to listers with children: I want to
recommend at the highest level a book called "A Beginner's Guide to
Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider. You and your children
will have 110% fun going through this book, and both of you will end up
smarter."


T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 17:33:02 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:33:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 17:43:22 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:43:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77efqzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>

Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system
resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu
building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple
dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I
discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a
weekly screen before it would work.

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms
> are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case
> there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of
> it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search
> that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus
> Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I
> double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I
> finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit
> some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) -
> this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually
> only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they
> are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are
> also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted
> with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the
> problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 17:59:26 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:59:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77efqzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77efqzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF041@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Alright.  That sounds like a possible suspect.  I can make a start by unbinding the forms, not hard to do but a bit more coding work.  Heh, Hey Tina.  Thinking of you right now.  I was thinking when I started this - "leaving them bound is fast and easy, but I really should do them unbound like I usually do.  naah it will be ok..." :)

Here is a great example of what I am talking about.  Got a blank version of this database - no data in any of the table.  Been compacted and reopened after deleting the data - copied 40 lines of data (x 2 columns - so 80 fields of simple data data in all) into a table.  Get a "out of resources" message.  Blah!  Oddly it still copies the data in ok, once I press "ok" on the warning msgbox.

*Sigh*.  Will start to unbind the buggers and see if that helps - change to a JIT approach instead.

Thanks Doug! 

Cheers
D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who 
> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to 
> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no 
> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  
> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or 
> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started 
> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in 
> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save 
> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some 
> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets 
> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open 
> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing 
> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found 
> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am 
> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks 
> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users 
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  
> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I 
> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, 
> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is 
> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? 
> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is 
> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via 
> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and 
> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of 
> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with 
> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 
> records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being 
> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will 
> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> >
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 18:05:42 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 00:05:42 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77efqzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAFa8Nkhoy42mXnD_5a5-3tbTJaV2d77efqzk9uMqcy7d0Fyb-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF05D@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Aaah, I dunno.  It is sooo damn random.    Sometimes the same database will function for hours without issue.  This morning, it is it misbehaving almost immediately.  Restarted the app and now it is purring along like a little kitten - no errors or anything.  Sheesh.   I don't mind things not working, but it is so much easier to find the problem when there are consistent symptoms.  It is the seemingly randomness that does my head in.  Just when I get relaxed about it, it will fail.   



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.

Doug

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins < darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who 
> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to 
> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no 
> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  
> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or 
> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started 
> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in 
> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save 
> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some 
> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets 
> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open 
> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing 
> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found 
> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am 
> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks 
> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users 
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  
> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I 
> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, 
> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is 
> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? 
> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is 
> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via 
> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and 
> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of 
> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with 
> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 
> records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being 
> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will 
> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> >
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec  7 18:40:01 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:40:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <001601ccb541$ebc7bfe0$c3573fa0$@net>

37 tab multipage control ? That's HUGE.

I had horrible experience with multipage in 2007....
I am sure the same bugs have been carried thru to 2010.
Multipage was very "touchy"....especially during design mode.
I could easily crash Access consistently just by moving controls around.





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec  7 19:03:11 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 11:03:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EE00CCF.25250.F500EBF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Too many open connections with all of those listboxes and subforms?


On 7 Dec 2011 at 23:33, Darryl Collins wrote:
> 
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which
> has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small
> datasets. 
> 




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec  7 19:16:56 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 01:16:56 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE00CCF.25250.F500EBF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4EE00CCF.25250.F500EBF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF391@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks guys.  That is the angle I am taking.  Even though I have worked on databases with many more bound controls et al, it seems this is the most likely suspect for these issues. Going to unbound everything and use value only lists in the list boxes. Luckily I have all code to do this fairly quickly.  Should only take a couple of days.

Will let you know how it goes.

Cheers
d

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 12:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Too many open connections with all of those listboxes and subforms?


On 7 Dec 2011 at 23:33, Darryl Collins wrote:
> 
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small 
> datasets.
> 


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 23:22:04 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 00:22:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hqMbUhc7Qwrhqek2PjZWph7E1upE_n7YUs6r7OQK37rw@mail.gmail.com>

I've got one like this, too. (Don't we all?)

Way back when, I did an app for an insurance company's pension fund arm.
The app worked just fine and everyone was happy, save one problem.
(Preamble: pension funds come and go.) Everything was rock-solid save one
particular report, about 90% of whose data was correct but the remainder
was wonky. I fought this problem on and off for about 6 weeks, to no avail.
Then one day in a meeting, someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day
years. They just wrote off the other 5.26 days as if they didn't exist.
Hence, on about 10& of the records, depending on calendar dates of the
relevant funds, the reports were a few dollars out there and there. Once
this was explained, I commented out all my clever date calculations (e.g.
365.26 is how to anticipate leap years) and pretended the world was flat,
and automagically all the data conformed to the flat earth. Whew! At last,
I was free to find a real job.

A.


From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 07:38:12 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 08:38:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hqMbUhc7Qwrhqek2PjZWph7E1upE_n7YUs6r7OQK37rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>
	<CAEPJO1hqMbUhc7Qwrhqek2PjZWph7E1upE_n7YUs6r7OQK37rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008301ccb5ae$a1bac290$e53047b0$@net>

Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"

Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
back in the requirements definition.
The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
coding.

So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?





From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec  8 07:47:23 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 07:47:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this -
	resolved)
Message-ID: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>

Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
plans - no matter how good the builders are!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"

Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
back in the requirements definition.
The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
coding.

So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  8 08:18:12 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 09:18:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Compression - interesting read
Message-ID: <4EE0C724.1040604@colbyconsulting.com>


http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlserverstorageengine/archive/2008/01/18/what-is-page-compression.aspx

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  8 08:29:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 09:29:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
Message-ID: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>

I had to go find this...

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlserverstorageengine/archive/2008/01/18/details-on-page-compression-page-dictionary.aspx

-- 
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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec  8 08:31:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 09:31:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
In-Reply-To: <008301ccb5ae$a1bac290$e53047b0$@net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEF98@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP4713AF0F8AC5C7059385A79D2BB0@phx.gbl>
	<CAEPJO1hqMbUhc7Qwrhqek2PjZWph7E1upE_n7YUs6r7OQK37rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<008301ccb5ae$a1bac290$e53047b0$@net>
Message-ID: <4EE0CA3F.3020100@colbyconsulting.com>

 > So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?

This is not either / or.  Problems on either end can be just as devastating.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/8/2011 8:38 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
>
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
> back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
> coding.
>
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
>
>
>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  8 09:07:54 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:07:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
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Message-ID: <4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>

Thanks for keeping me company, Darryl.  I'm going to make up a plaque 
that says something like NEVER, NEVER DO IT THE FAST AND EASY WAY.  
LATER ON IT IS GOING TO BITE YOU IN THE SIT-DOWN!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/7/2011 6:59 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> Alright.  That sounds like a possible suspect.  I can make a start by unbinding the forms, not hard to do but a bit more coding work.  Heh, Hey Tina.  Thinking of you right now.  I was thinking when I started this - "leaving them bound is fast and easy, but I really should do them unbound like I usually do.  naah it will be ok..." :)
>
> Here is a great example of what I am talking about.  Got a blank version of this database - no data in any of the table.  Been compacted and reopened after deleting the data - copied 40 lines of data (x 2 columns - so 80 fields of simple data data in all) into a table.  Get a "out of resources" message.  Blah!  Oddly it still copies the data in ok, once I press "ok" on the warning msgbox.
>
> *Sigh*.  Will start to unbind the buggers and see if that helps - change to a JIT approach instead.
>
> Thanks Doug!
>
> Cheers
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
> 2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
> connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.
>
> Doug
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins<  darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>>
>> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who
>> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to
>> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no
>> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).
>> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or
>> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>>
>> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which
>> has
>> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the
>> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but
>> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>>
>> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started
>> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in
>> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save
>> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some
>> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets
>> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open
>> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing
>> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
>>
>> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found
>> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am
>> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks
>> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>>
>> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
>> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>>
>> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.
>> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I
>> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now,
>> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>>
>> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is
>> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF?
>> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is
>> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via
>> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>>   But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and
>> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of
>> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with
>> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10
>> records out of a total of 50
>> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being
>> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will
>> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>>
>> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> Darryl Collins
>> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
>> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
>> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>>
>> p: +61 3 9898 3242
>> m: +61 418 381 548
>> f: +61 3 9898 1855
>> e:
>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
>> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec  8 09:18:52 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 10:18:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EDD5FC9.21974.4DC27B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EDB98D7.30009@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<CAH+Met9DoWuta4H8BZ9_-sc+LcHbJDFD=wJzcidt7D6Ge-EKHw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEA25@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4EDD5FC9.21974.4DC27B4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EE0D55C.50508@torchlake.com>

Love it!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/5/2011 7:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> http://www.thinkleadershipideas.com/leadershipideasblog/files/book.php
>
> On 6 Dec 2011 at 0:10, Darryl Collins wrote:
>
>
>> But I still much prefer a decent paper book over them.   Must be getting old ;)
>>
>> Just my thoughts
>> Darryl.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011 10:14 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Users in SQL Server
>>
>> I wouldn't have a kindle on a plate!  I'd simply get an android table
>> and load the reader software on it.  I've never liked the kindle
>> layout or feel, so I see no reason to change now.
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 10:49:36 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 11:49:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
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Message-ID: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have
one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I
would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you
use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count
towards the 255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37
tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are
bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there
is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that
it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access
thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double
checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished
with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will
fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some
sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is
where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all
the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is
open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all
set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing
bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort
of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort
of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is
going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
f: +61 3 9898 1855
e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 10:54:21 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 02:54:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this -
	resolved)
In-Reply-To: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EE0EBBD.18032.12B6B59A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

But if you are using Agile methodolgies, that requirement may not be identified until some 
distance down the track.    Building  Flexibility into your design is just as important and 
analysis and coding :-)


On 8 Dec 2011 at 7:47, Dan Waters wrote:

> Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
> plans - no matter how good the builders are!
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
> 
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
> 
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out way
> back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by crappy
> coding.
> 
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
> 
> 
> 
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Dec  8 10:57:25 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 11:57:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Jim,

Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about importing the form into another MDB file?

Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count towards the 255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

p: +61 3 9898 3242
m: +61 418 381 548
f: +61 3 9898 1855
e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 11:03:49 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 03:03:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF041@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Like the "fast and easy"  function I put in an A97 application that I built years ago which  is still 
in use

Functiion Wait(secs as long) as long
DIm t as Single
t = timer
Do
Doevents
Loop until timer = t + secs
End Function

It worked fine for years until a couple of  months ago when they ran a monthly process late at 
night and the Wait function was in the middle of the loop at midnight :-(

-- 
Stuart

On 8 Dec 2011 at 10:07, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> Thanks for keeping me company, Darryl.  I'm going to make up a plaque 
> that says something like NEVER, NEVER DO IT THE FAST AND EASY WAY.  
> LATER ON IT IS GOING TO BITE YOU IN THE SIT-DOWN!
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> 
> On 12/7/2011 6:59 PM, Darryl Collins wrote:
> > Alright.  That sounds like a possible suspect.  I can make a start by unbinding the forms, not hard to do but a bit more coding work.  Heh, Hey Tina.  Thinking of you right now.  I was thinking when I started this - "leaving them bound is fast and easy, but I really should do them unbound like I usually do.  naah it will be ok..." :)
> >
> > Here is a great example of what I am talking about.  Got a blank version of this database - no data in any of the table.  Been compacted and reopened after deleting the data - copied 40 lines of data (x 2 columns - so 80 fields of simple data data in all) into a table.  Get a "out of resources" message.  Blah!  Oddly it still copies the data in ok, once I press "ok" on the warning msgbox.
> >
> > *Sigh*.  Will start to unbind the buggers and see if that helps - change to a JIT approach instead.
> >
> > Thanks Doug!
> >
> > Cheers
> > D
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> > Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 10:43 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
> >
> > Each time you open a subform or bound listbox/dropdown, you use up system resources - it doesn't matter how big the underlying tables are.  In Access
> > 2003 if I remember correctly, the total number of open recordsets (or
> > connections?) is something like 256.  I once built a cafeteria recipe/menu building screen which had 31 subforms, and each subform had multiple dropdowns in it to select the recipes used.  I was so proud of it until I discovered that it wouldn't run!  I had to change it from a monthly to a weekly screen before it would work.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Darryl Collins<  darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
> >>
> >> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who
> >> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to
> >> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no
> >> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).
> >> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or
> >> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
> >>
> >> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which
> >> has
> >> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the
> >> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but
> >> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
> >>
> >> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started
> >> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in
> >> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save
> >> changes" was the gist of it.  Now how can that happen?  There was some
> >> suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets
> >> was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open
> >> connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing
> >> all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.
> >>
> >> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found
> >> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am
> >> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks
> >> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
> >>
> >> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> >> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
> >>
> >> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.
> >> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I
> >> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now,
> >> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
> >>
> >> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is
> >> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF?
> >> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is
> >> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via
> >> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
> >>   But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and
> >> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of
> >> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with
> >> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10
> >> records out of a total of 50
> >> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being
> >> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will
> >> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
> >>
> >> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Darryl.
> >>
> >> Darryl Collins
> >> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> >> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> >> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
> >>
> >> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> >> m: +61 418 381 548
> >> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> >> e:
> >> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> >> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
> >>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 11:05:23 2011
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:05:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAFa8Nkg2g9XvPfsHrPEVhafDRO+3PK0f1XKVNSk7qarKfDtxbw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim:

Thanks for correcting my answer - my memory didn't serve me well.  The
problem with my mighty recipe database was the control count.

Doug

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  Couple of comments:
>
> 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only
> have
> one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
> currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
> into the 255 user limit there.
>
> 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
> used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and
> I
> would guess that's what your running into.
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> you didn't run into that one.
>
> 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
> This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as
> you
> use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
> connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will
> count
> towards the 255 limit.
>
> HTH,
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37
> tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are
> bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there
> is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of
> it.
> Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that
> it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access
> thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double
> checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished
> with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> will
> fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some
> sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is
> where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all
> the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1
> is
> open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all
> set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing
> bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that
> sort
> of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that
> sort
> of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what
> is
> going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au<http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/>
>
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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Dec  8 13:29:15 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:29:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
	-resolved)
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

"Weeks of Computer Programming Can Save You Hours of Planning"  

:-)







-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
-resolved)

Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
plans - no matter how good the builders are!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved

Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"

Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out
way
back in the requirements definition.
The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by
crappy
coding.

So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?



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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Thu Dec  8 14:02:59 2011
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 21:02:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do
	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <A921102295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>

Oh what a wonderful statement!
Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Brad Marks
Sendt: 8. december 2011 20:29
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this-resolved)

"Weeks of Computer Programming Can Save You Hours of Planning"  

:-)





From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec  8 14:46:56 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:46:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
	-	resolved)
In-Reply-To: <4EE0EBBD.18032.12B6B59A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<4EE0EBBD.18032.12B6B59A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001301ccb5ea$866c7010$93455030$@comcast.net>

By Definition, if you are using Agile, building flexibility into your design
is one of the developer's requirements!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this -
resolved)

But if you are using Agile methodolgies, that requirement may not be
identified until some 
distance down the track.    Building  Flexibility into your design is just
as important and 
analysis and coding :-)


On 8 Dec 2011 at 7:47, Dan Waters wrote:

> Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with 
> bad plans - no matter how good the builders are!
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
> 
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
> 
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out 
> way back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by 
> crappy coding.
> 
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
> 
> 
> 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 14:52:02 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:52:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EF041@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0D2CA.9010609@torchlake.com>
	<4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>

I love this story !!!

> Like the "fast and easy"  function I put in an A97 application that I
> built years ago which  is still
> in use
>
> Function Wait(secs as long) as long
> DIm t as Single
> t = timer
> Do
> Doevents
> Loop until timer = t + secs
> End Function
>
> It worked fine for years until a couple of  months ago when they ran a
> monthly process late at
> night and the Wait function was in the middle of the loop at midnight




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 15:06:41 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 07:06:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>
Message-ID: <4EE126E1.21363.139DBBA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep, there was "no way" that this would ever be run other than over a couple of hours during 
a normal work day. :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 8 Dec 2011 at 15:52, Mark Simms wrote:

> I love this story !!!
> 
> > Like the "fast and easy"  function I put in an A97 application that I
> > built years ago which  is still
> > in use
> >
> > Function Wait(secs as long) as long
> > DIm t as Single
> > t = timer
> > Do
> > Doevents
> > Loop until timer = t + secs
> > End Function
> >
> > It worked fine for years until a couple of  months ago when they ran a
> > monthly process late at
> > night and the Wait function was in the middle of the loop at midnight
> 
> 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 15:29:21 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:29:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>

Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control count
is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change a
thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then you
have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
Charlotte Foust
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
> reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
> count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
> importing the form into another MDB file?
>
> Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
>
>  Couple of comments:
>
> 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only
> have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
> currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
> into the 255 user limit there.
>
> 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
> used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and
> I would guess that's what your running into.
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> you didn't run into that one.
>
> 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
> This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as
> you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
> connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will
> count towards the 255 limit.
>
> HTH,
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms
> are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case
> there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
> Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search
> that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus
> Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I
> double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I
> finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit
> some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) -
> this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually
> only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they
> are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are
> also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted
> with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the
> problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au
>
> <http://www.whittleconsulting.com.au/
>
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 16:07:32 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 08:07:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE13524.23286.13D57150@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That was one of the benefits of EatBloat.

One way to reset the control count  is Application.SaveAsText/LoadFromText.

-- 
Stuart

On 8 Dec 2011 at 13:29, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control count
> is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change a
> thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then you
> have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
> Charlotte Foust
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Heenan, Lambert <
> Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:
> 
> > Jim,
> >
> > Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
> > reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
> > count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
> > importing the form into another MDB file?
> >
> > Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit.
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
> >
> >
> >  Couple of comments:
> >
> > 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only
> > have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
> > currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
> > into the 255 user limit there.
> >
> > 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
> > used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and
> > I would guess that's what your running into.
> >
> > 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> > big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> > does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> > you didn't run into that one.
> >
> > 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection
> > This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as
> > you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO
> > connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will
> > count towards the 255 limit.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> > Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
> >
> > I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
> > it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
> > with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
> > connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
> > tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
> > processing at all - basic stuff.
> >
> > The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has
> > 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms
> > are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case
> > there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
> >
> > For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
> > error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
> > another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
> > Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search
> > that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus
> > Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I
> > double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I
> > finished with them.
> >
> > Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
> > piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
> > that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
> > couple of modules so hard to say:
> >
> > "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
> > CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
> >
> > This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
> > wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
> > could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
> > two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
> >
> > The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
> > don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this
> > will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit
> > some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) -
> > this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
> >  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually
> > only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they
> > are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are
> > also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50
> > - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted
> > with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the
> > problem, but what is going here?
> >
> > Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl.
> >
> > Darryl Collins
> > Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> > Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> > Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
> >
> > p: +61 3 9898 3242
> > m: +61 418 381 548
> > f: +61 3 9898 1855
> > e: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> > w: www.whittleconsulting.com.au
> >
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Dec  8 16:54:41 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 02:54:41 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Compression_Interesting_read_-_part_2?=
In-Reply-To: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>

Hi John --

Yes, this PAGE compression feature makes using natural keys for OLAP systems more preferable than using surrogate keys..

Thank you.

-- Shamil.


08 ??????? 2011, 18:31 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> I had to go find this...
> 
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlserverstorageengine/archive/2008/01/18/details-on-page-compression-page-dictionary.aspx
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
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> when you do not believe in it
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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 17:15:30 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:15:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWyC9Ee5FQSGMBXZFuMzvP-7sgFXy1gM334dz4wE7O9vQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Heenan, Lambert:
>
> Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
> reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
> count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
> importing the form into another MDB file?
>
> Jim Dettman:
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
> big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
> does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
> you didn't run into that one.
>

There is one moderately sneaky way around this limit.  Steps:

1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
and 'text234'.

2. Count the number of controls on your form. With the form in design view,
enter this in the Immediate window:
    ? Forms("frmFoo").Controls.Count

2. Save the form as text, using this command:
    Application.SaveAsText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
edit it to the number of controls +1:
        ItemSuffix =128

4. Backup your Access file. Delete the problem form. Compact & Repair.

5. Import the form using:
    Application.LoadFromText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

You should now be able to add new controls to your previously 'stuck' form.

It is a little work, but probably less than copying all the controls, code
and properties over to a new form.

-Ken


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec  8 17:26:19 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 09:26:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
In-Reply-To: <E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how data page 
compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Dec 2011 at 2:54, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> Hi John --
> 
> Yes, this PAGE compression feature makes using natural keys for OLAP
> systems more preferable than using surrogate keys.. 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil.
> 




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec  8 17:45:35 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:45:35 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55F062E@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Well,  Yes and no.   If you are at the absolute limit because you have > 754 controls then you are screwed - and moving to a new form won't help at all.

On an existing form that is corrupt or crashing though, there is hope.  Access forms are a bit stupid it seems when it comes to counting controls.  If you have a single form and add 753 controls, Save the form.  Then you delete the controls and add another 5.  Then the form will crash even though there are only 5 controls on the form.  Trouble is,  the control count is absolute and doesn't decrease when you delete controls - everytime you add a control it adds 1 to the count regardless of if the control still exists or not.

This is highly bothersome if you consistently copy a default type form and then remove and add new controls.  Sooner or later you hit the limit regardless of the number of controls on the form.

In this instance importing the controls into a brand new form DOES help, as the control count starts a zero on a new form.

Many times, on control heavy forms I have used this to get out of bother.  Now why they have the limit, and why it doesn't decrease when delete controls is a question for someone deep in the MS bunker, Redmond WA USA.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control count is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change a thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then you have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
Charlotte Foust
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count 
> gets reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a 
> controls count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? 
> What about importing the form into another MDB file?
>
> Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
>
>  Couple of comments:
>
> 1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should 
> only have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always 
> using currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your 
> bumping into the 255 user limit there.
>
> 2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID 
> is used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is 
> huge and I would guess that's what your running into.
>
> 3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch 
> how big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a 
> control does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments 
> it).  Surprised you didn't run into that one.
>
> 4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection 
> This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long 
> as you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open 
> ADO connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and 
> will count towards the 255 limit.
>
> HTH,
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl 
> Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
> Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.
>
> I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who 
> uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to 
> do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no 
> external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  
> This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or 
> really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.
>
> The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which 
> has
> 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the 
> subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but 
> in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.
>
> For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started 
> getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in 
> Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
> Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search 
> that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus 
> Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I 
> double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I 
> finished with them.
>
> Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found 
> this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am 
> not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks 
> and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:
>
> "'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users 
> CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"
>
> This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  
> I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I 
> guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, 
> after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.
>
> The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is 
> "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? 
> Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is 
> like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via 
> DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).
>  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and 
> usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of 
> modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with 
> them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 
> records out of a total of 50
> - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being 
> exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will 
> usually fix the problem, but what is going here?
>
> Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> Darryl Collins
> Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
> Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
> Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127
>
> p: +61 3 9898 3242
> m: +61 418 381 548
> f: +61 3 9898 1855
> e: 
> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au<mailto:darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec  8 17:52:53 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:52:53 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
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Jim,

Many thanks.  Yep, Point 1 was initially my main concern with using 37 tabs on a single form. I was aware of the control limit on forms and have hit it many times in the past, but usually due to the issue I mentioned in the other post (control count not adjusting when controls are deleted etc).

I feel point 2 is probably what is happening.  2048 sound like a big number, but if every listbox is bound then you can gobble them up rather quickly.  I need to leave some of the subforms bound as I am using them as datasheet views.  However, yesterday I bit the bullet and did what I should have done from day 1 and converted all of the listboxes to Value lists only (waves at Tina ;)).

Whilst I was running out of enthusiasm with the huge shebang and I need to test it a lot more, the database didn't seem to have any more issues (fingers crossed) and using value lists load and respond a darn site faster anyway.  Only down side to them is there is a limit to just how much data you can fit into a value list (at least loading them they I am via an "adstring" command).  In this case it doesn't matter.  Most of the lists only have 1-20 entries anyway - so easy.

I am using DAO for all connections - well I was, I am using an ADO connection to create the listbox strings for the value list.  But that is all working good.

Really appreciate your time and effort on this.

cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 3:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection This is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you use it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO connections, each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count towards the 255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37 tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode - another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 19:33:14 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:33:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
In-Reply-To: <4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
	<4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>

PULEASE - no more KEY WARS !!!! (although Shamil is right)

> Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how
> data page compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?




From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec  8 19:35:06 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:35:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55F062E@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAH+Met9LBOei4OZp3=apF+F+DwsUDY5PTnWTmoR_d8CQte4ayQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55F062E@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <003e01ccb612$c81e3070$585a9150$@net>

Re: "Now why they have the limit, and why it doesn't decrease when delete
controls is a question for someone deep in the MS bunker, Redmond WA USA."
Two words: MEMORY MANAGEMENT

Access is still written in C++ AFAIK.





From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 21:41:04 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 22:41:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do
	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <A921102295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<A921102295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Referring back to my original whine about this problem, in the absence of a
definition of calendar-years, how was I supposed to know there might be a
difference between the real world and the world of pension-funds? A
pension-fund specialist or programmer of apps in this field might have
known to ask this question, but I didn't, nor did any of the
requirements-people deem it worth mentioning.

Granted, now that I've been severely bitten and savaged by this, I know
enough to ask about the definition of a year. But even granting that, what
about the definition of a month? How to handle leap-years? How many
Requirements-meetings shall be consumed discovering these anomalies? Thank
God that I have subsequently learned that Gathering and Verifying
Requirements is a (and perhaps The Most) billable item on the ultimate
invoice; and that any subsequent changes to the Requirements document is
also billable vis-a-vis the Development spec. The beauty part of this
arrangement is that when some flunky wants this to work that way instead of
the previously-accepted spec, I get to say, "Ok, but it's going to cost you
another $10+K. Are you sure you want to make this change?" Which adroitly
punts the ball to her or him, and forces her or him to justify the change
in specs. Even more elegant, all such requests for change are directly
traceable to the person who requested them. LOL. Twice bitten, thrice shy,
as it were. "You want to fork with me? Go ahead, it's all billable,
directly to you! So there, MoFo." Go ahead, stretch your middle-management
muscles, but your bosses will know precisely whom to blame for the OverRuns.

A.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond <ab-mi at post3.tele.dk> wrote:

> Oh what a wonderful statement!
> Asger
>
>


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec  8 22:02:47 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 04:02:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to
	do	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<A921102295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>
	<CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55F0794@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Heh.. Outstanding.  And I totally agree - many times I have ended up making much more mulla than the original spec as the stakeholders are unable to agree on much.  Person X will request this feature, Person Y want something else.  You add both, and then their manager will make changes again - or remove the said functions.  Good for the invoice, but it can be frustrating.  Indeed for one client I almost never deleted any feature they had been requested and built, I would merely turn if 'off' or made it invisible.  It was fairly common for a 'deleted' function to be reinstated in a month or two at the insistence of someone in the organisation.  Fun stuff.  I always document who requested what and when - and often even show it as a line item on the invoice for those hours.  This makes any discussion about budget overruns easier to deal with I find.  Sure, there maybe some heat and fire from the accounting dept, but at least I am not in the firing line ;)

Live and learn...



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 2:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this-resolved)

Referring back to my original whine about this problem, in the absence of a definition of calendar-years, how was I supposed to know there might be a difference between the real world and the world of pension-funds? A pension-fund specialist or programmer of apps in this field might have known to ask this question, but I didn't, nor did any of the requirements-people deem it worth mentioning.

Granted, now that I've been severely bitten and savaged by this, I know enough to ask about the definition of a year. But even granting that, what about the definition of a month? How to handle leap-years? How many Requirements-meetings shall be consumed discovering these anomalies? Thank God that I have subsequently learned that Gathering and Verifying Requirements is a (and perhaps The Most) billable item on the ultimate invoice; and that any subsequent changes to the Requirements document is also billable vis-a-vis the Development spec. The beauty part of this arrangement is that when some flunky wants this to work that way instead of the previously-accepted spec, I get to say, "Ok, but it's going to cost you another $10+K. Are you sure you want to make this change?" Which adroitly punts the ball to her or him, and forces her or him to justify the change in specs. Even more elegant, all such requests for change are directly traceable to the person who requested them. LOL. Twice bitten, thrice shy, as it were. "You want to fork with me? Go ahead, it's all billable, directly to you! So there, MoFo." Go ahead, stretch your middle-management muscles, but your bosses will know precisely whom to blame for the OverRuns.

A.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond <ab-mi at post3.tele.dk> wrote:

> Oh what a wonderful statement!
> Asger
>
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec  9 03:26:35 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:26:35 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Compression_Interesting_read_-_part_2?=
In-Reply-To: <4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E1RYmrR-0005mS-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f53.mail.ru>
	<4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E1RYwix-0001or-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f14.mail.ru>

Hi Stuart --

Thank you for your question.

AFAIU MS SQL page compression feature substitutes all the duplicate entries in data records columns of  a DB file page by one/two/... bytes long references to "dictionary" area located on the same page.
By "duplicate entries" are meant not only full length columns' values but also their  values' leading parts...
Please read the articles/blog entries JC referred in his postings for details.

Please correct me if you'll find I'm wrong.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S.  Stuart, please note I've written "using natural keys for *OLAP* systems" - I have no any intentions in re-starting "surrogate vs. natural keys" generic discussion covering OLTP systems - I'm *currently* strong advocate of using surrogate keys in OLTP systems.... 


09 ??????? 2011, 03:27 ?? "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>:
> Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how data page
> compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> On 9 Dec 2011 at 2:54, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> 
> > Hi John --
> >
> > Yes, this PAGE compression feature makes using natural keys for OLAP
> > systems more preferable than using surrogate keys..
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > -- Shamil.
> >
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec  9 03:30:29 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:30:29 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Compression_Interesting_read_-_part_2?=
In-Reply-To: <003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EE1479B.27790.141D92F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>
Message-ID: <E1RYwmj-0001Mc-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f139.mail.ru>

Hi Mark --

Yes, no KEY WARS - you can see my reply to Stuart where I outlined that I do not have any intentions for a war/flame like that.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


09 ??????? 2011, 05:34 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> PULEASE - no more KEY WARS !!!! (although Shamil is right)
> 
> > Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how
> > data page compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  9 03:43:07 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 19:43:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Compression Interesting read - part 2
In-Reply-To: <E1RYwmj-0001Mc-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f139.mail.ru>
References: <4EE0C9CC.8090103@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<003d01ccb612$85552c80$8fff8580$@net>,
	<E1RYwmj-0001Mc-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f139.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4EE1D82B.9612.16524732@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I wasn't trying to start a war either :-)

I just couldn't see the relationship between  data compression and the different type of keys.   

I'm still not sure that I do, I will have to look at the original article more carefully.


On 9 Dec 2011 at 13:30, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> Hi Mark --
> 
> Yes, no KEY WARS - you can see my reply to Stuart where I outlined that I do not have any intentions for a war/flame like that.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> 09  2011, 05:34  "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> > PULEASE - no more KEY WARS !!!! (although Shamil is right)
> > 
> > > Sorry, you've lost me completely there.  Would you care to explain how
> > > data page compression has any bearing on natural v surrogate keys?
> > 
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Dec  9 04:07:28 2011
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:07:28 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error
Message-ID: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>

It is getting late.  Can anyone see why I am getting error 91 Object 
variable or With block variable not set) when the "Set rst2" line is 
run?  I have checked the value of strSQL and it looks ok.  I have put 
the sql into a query and it returns the expected result.  Could it be 
because OpenRecordset doesn't like group by queries?

     Dim db As DAO.Database, rst2 As DAO.Recordset, strSQL As String

     Set db = CurrentDb()

     strSQL = "SELECT Sum(UnitAmt) AS TotalAmt, 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblTenantInvoiceMeter INNER JOIN 
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran ON 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceMeterID = 
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran.TenantInvoiceMeterIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "GROUP BY 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo HAVING 
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo = 9"
     Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 



From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Dec  9 04:22:23 2011
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:22:23 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error
In-Reply-To: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.c o.nz>
References: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <20111209102235.CGYG28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>

Never mind.  I found it - I had closed db in an earlier part of the 
code between setting it and referring to rst2.

At 9/12/2011, David Emerson wrote:
>It is getting late.  Can anyone see why I am getting error 91 Object 
>variable or With block variable not set) when the "Set rst2" line is 
>run?  I have checked the value of strSQL and it looks ok.  I have 
>put the sql into a query and it returns the expected result.  Could 
>it be because OpenRecordset doesn't like group by queries?
>
>     Dim db As DAO.Database, rst2 As DAO.Recordset, strSQL As String
>
>     Set db = CurrentDb()
>
>     strSQL = "SELECT Sum(UnitAmt) AS TotalAmt, 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo "
>     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblTenantInvoiceMeter INNER JOIN 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran ON 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceMeterID = 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran.TenantInvoiceMeterIDNo "
>     strSQL = strSQL & "GROUP BY 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo HAVING 
> tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo = 9"
>     Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>Dalyn Software Ltd
>Wellington, New Zealand
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  9 08:10:03 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 06:10:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error
In-Reply-To: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <20111209100737.JFMC18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <CFF61765E36E42D6B70F1FC1FD385362@HAL9007>

I can't see it either but what I do in cases like this is put strSQL into a
text box on my form, then copy the contest of the text box to the SQL view
of a new query and go to design view.  If it makes it that far, I run it.
Lots of times it will tell me what the real error is.

The error 91 would seem to be pointing to db as not being set.  Is the
reference to DAO set correctly?

The next thing I'd do is Dim db2 as dao.Databaser and set db2 = CurrentDb.
Then use db2 to set rst2 and see if it makes a difference.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 2:07 AM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordset Error

It is getting late.  Can anyone see why I am getting error 91 Object
variable or With block variable not set) when the "Set rst2" line is run?  I
have checked the value of strSQL and it looks ok.  I have put the sql into a
query and it returns the expected result.  Could it be because OpenRecordset
doesn't like group by queries?

     Dim db As DAO.Database, rst2 As DAO.Recordset, strSQL As String

     Set db = CurrentDb()

     strSQL = "SELECT Sum(UnitAmt) AS TotalAmt,
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM tblTenantInvoiceMeter INNER JOIN
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran ON tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceMeterID =
tblTenantInvoiceMeterTran.TenantInvoiceMeterIDNo "
     strSQL = strSQL & "GROUP BY
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo HAVING
tblTenantInvoiceMeter.TenantInvoiceIDNo = 9"
     Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 10:41:59 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:41:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <4EE126E1.21363.139DBBA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4EE0EDF5.22217.12BF6347@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<004401ccb5eb$3ce95b50$b6bc11f0$@net>
	<4EE126E1.21363.139DBBA7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EE23A57.40009@torchlake.com>

Oh boy!  Yeah, the user has a very different perspective from the developer.

My township had an Excel spreadsheet for registered voters.  The state 
developed a new standard and the spreadsheet had to be updated to 
match.  Of course, in the township's spreadsheet the voter's name was 
just one cell, with no standardization for data entry (my name, for 
instance, could have been entered as "Tina Norris Fields," "Fields, Tina 
N.," "Fields, Tina Norris," "Mr.s Tina Fields," and any other 
configurations you can think of).  So, I was asked to help.  When it got 
to the field for a name suffix, such as "Jr.," "Sr.," "III," "Esq." and 
the like, the office assistant actually said to me, "No, we don't have 
to worry about that, there aren't that many of them."  It had never 
dawned on her that the field would be required if there was even one 
person with a name suffix.

I get it that our different perspectives color the way we see the 
problem.  I just haven't figured out how to properly anticipate the 
user's likely take on it.  :-)

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/8/2011 4:06 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Yep, there was "no way" that this would ever be run other than over a couple of hours during
> a normal work day. :-)
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 10:42:55 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:42:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do
	this-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <4EE23A8F.4020205@torchlake.com>

ROTFLMAO!!!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/8/2011 2:29 PM, Brad Marks wrote:
> "Weeks of Computer Programming Can Save You Hours of Planning"
>
> :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:47 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to do this
> -resolved)
>
> Requirements are more important.  You can't build a good house with bad
> plans - no matter how good the builders are!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:38 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I should be able to do this - resolved
>
> Re: "......someone mentioned that the company uses 360-day years"
>
> Oh boy, here we go with a fundamental issue that should have come out
> way
> back in the requirements definition.
> The best programmers in the world cannot overcome something like this.
> On the other hand, the best analysts cannot overcome bugs caused by
> crappy
> coding.
>
> So what's more important: the analysis or the coding ?
>
>
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 10:45:36 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:45:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Requirements (was: I should be able to
	dothis-resolved)
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001ccb5af$e9f67850$bde368f0$@comcast.net><E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50140C7BD@blkltd.blkfst2003.local><A9211
	02295494C4C996E19990535A339@abpc>
	<CAEPJO1hp0SOhTqt1o5A+JQR=zvhgXVwMETAsAprxkGnbtTyXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE23B30.2050302@torchlake.com>

Yay, Arthur!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/8/2011 10:41 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Referring back to my original whine about this problem, in the absence of a
> definition of calendar-years, how was I supposed to know there might be a
> difference between the real world and the world of pension-funds? A
> pension-fund specialist or programmer of apps in this field might have
> known to ask this question, but I didn't, nor did any of the
> requirements-people deem it worth mentioning.
>
> Granted, now that I've been severely bitten and savaged by this, I know
> enough to ask about the definition of a year. But even granting that, what
> about the definition of a month? How to handle leap-years? How many
> Requirements-meetings shall be consumed discovering these anomalies? Thank
> God that I have subsequently learned that Gathering and Verifying
> Requirements is a (and perhaps The Most) billable item on the ultimate
> invoice; and that any subsequent changes to the Requirements document is
> also billable vis-a-vis the Development spec. The beauty part of this
> arrangement is that when some flunky wants this to work that way instead of
> the previously-accepted spec, I get to say, "Ok, but it's going to cost you
> another $10+K. Are you sure you want to make this change?" Which adroitly
> punts the ball to her or him, and forces her or him to justify the change
> in specs. Even more elegant, all such requests for change are directly
> traceable to the person who requested them. LOL. Twice bitten, thrice shy,
> as it were. "You want to fork with me? Go ahead, it's all billable,
> directly to you! So there, MoFo." Go ahead, stretch your middle-management
> muscles, but your bosses will know precisely whom to blame for the OverRuns.
>
> A.
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Asger Blond<ab-mi at post3.tele.dk>  wrote:
>
>> Oh what a wonderful statement!
>> Asger
>>
>>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Dec  9 10:55:24 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:55:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
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  No, un-changed, and nope.  

  Every control you create increments the count.  Deleting a control does
not decrement it, so the count only goes up.

  Importing into a new DB does not reset the count.  Once you hit the limit,
all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.  You
can't add any more controls to the existing form.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Jim,

Regarding the (crazy) form control limit. Do you know if the count gets
reset if you make a copy of the form? Does the new copy have a controls
count equal to the number of controls currently on the form? What about
importing the form into another MDB file?

Just curious, I've not yet hit that limit. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....


 Couple of comments:

1. In regards to Doug's comments on connections, you really should only have
one with DAO as long as your not using Opendatabase.  Always using
currentdb(), will use the same connection.  Don't see where your bumping
into the 255 user limit there.

2. Access is limited to 2048 table ID's open at one time.  A table ID is
used for every table and field reference.  A form with 37 tabs is huge and I
would guess that's what your running into.

3. Access is limited to 754 controls over the life of a form, so watch how
big you get (note the limit is not 754 - deleting and creating a control
does not decrement/increment the count, it only increments it).  Surprised
you didn't run into that one.

4. If your working in ADO, make sure you use CurrentProject.Connection This
is Access/Jet's ADO connection for the DB you opened and as long as you use
it, you'll show up as only one user.  If you open your open ADO connections,
each will count as a user (when opened together) and will count towards the
255 limit.

HTH,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 06:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
(accessd at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

Hi everyone,

Boy, A2010 does some weird stuff.

I have an accdb database. It is on my local drive, it is only me who uses
it, it is only me who can access it.  It has DAO code it uses to do stuff
with recordsets within the currentDB only.  There are no external
connections. There is no BE / FE setup (doesn't need it).  This database is
tiny (about 7 MB) - doesn't have a lot of data or really do any heavy
processing at all - basic stuff.

The only thing that is unusual for me is I have one main form, which has 37
tabs on it which in turn has listboxes and subforms - and the subforms are
bound to their tables - I would usually use unbound, but in this case there
is no point.  Besides they are all really small datasets.

For weeks this has worked pretty well - then suddenly I started getting an
error when trying to make design changes "Not opened in Exclusive mode -
another user is using the database - can't save changes" was the gist of it.
Now how can that happen?  There was some suggestion from Google search that
it maybe one of the DAO recordsets was being left opened and thus Access
thinks there is a open connection and thus another user(?).  I double
checked I was closing all RS and setting them to nothing when I finished
with them.

Nothing seemed to work.  After much poking around on Google I found this
piece of code and added it.  It seems to have helped, but I am not sure if
that is just co-incidence or not.  I had done a few tweaks and rebuild a
couple of modules so hard to say:

"'Initiate Passive Shutdown - do not allow new Users
CurrentProject.Connection.Properties("Jet OLEDB:Connection Control") = 1"

This is meant to force access to reject any new users to the database.  I
wish I could say with confidence that this was what fixed it. I guess I
could comment out the code and do some tests, but right now, after losing
two days, I am just wanting to catch up on the days I have lost.

The other weird issue I get at some point when using this database is "You
don't have enough resources to perform the operation".  WTF? Again this will
fail on doing something low impact and simple.  It is like Access hit some
sort of limit (again maybe open connections via DAO.Recordset(?) - this is
where it usually fails when using code to update stuff via DAO).  But all
the DAO connections are all being closed in the code - and usually only 1 is
open at any one time (a max of 3 in a couple of modules) and they are all
set to nothing once I have finished with them.  Besides they are also doing
bugger all work.  Maybe updating 10 records out of a total of 50 - that sort
of thing.  What 'resources' could possibly be being exhausted with that sort
of workload?  A restart of the app will usually fix the problem, but what is
going here?

Has anyone else had these issues, and any ideas on what to do about them?

Cheers
Darryl.

Darryl Collins
Whittle Consulting Pty Ltd
Suite 8, 660 Canterbury Rd
Surrey Hills, VIC, 3127

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 11:41:03 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:41:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
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	<413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jL533rqO8N_2sdvU_hyemEpSDiwLPHYPYA9_XxEw62RQ@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting theory, which I am in no position to prove or disprove. But I
am thinking of JC's JIT-tabbed forms construct. Are you suggesting that
despite JC's innovative solution to the many-tabs problem, that all this
shyte  remains in memory despite JC's unloading of the various sub-forms?
Alternatively, am I missing the point completely? (Wouldn't be the first
time!)

A.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>  No, un-changed, and nope.
>
>  Every control you create increments the count.  Deleting a control does
> not decrement it, so the count only goes up.
>
>  Importing into a new DB does not reset the count.  Once you hit the limit,
> all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.  You
> can't add any more controls to the existing form.
>
> Jim.
>
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec  9 12:08:23 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:08:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
Message-ID: <000a01ccb69d$8b0d7f20$a1287d60$@net>

Is there some VBA to do this ?

> all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.




From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Fri Dec  9 13:25:17 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 13:25:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Controlling an Access 2007 EIS Application via RealVNC on
	the iPad - almost as good as Angry Birds
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS><B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net><413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
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All,

I have built an Executive Information System (reports, graphs, gauges,
etc.) 
with Access 2007 that runs on a remote server.  Most of the data comes
from 
a SQL Server database.  The remote server has the "server component" of
a 
remote control product called RealVNC.

Last week I learned that there was a $5.00 RealVNC "Client" component 
available for the iPad.  (I believe that the "Server" component 
is about $50.00)

You folks may already being using this kind of stuff, but this was a new

adventure for me.

Picture this... sitting in the living room at night, feet up on the 
recliner, beer in one hand,  "Dancing with the Stars" on TV, fireplace
is 
stoked up (Minnesota), pretending to be carrying on a conversation with
my 
wife, but really controlling the EIS Access application on the iPad.  As
we used to say in 
the 1960's "Wow... far out - this is a whole bunch of groovey".  I guess
the 
younger generation would say something like "This Rocks".  

Anyway, being able to use this application on the iPad (and future
iPhone) 
opens up all kinds of new possibilities.   Admittedly this isn't the
ticket 
for an application that demands a ton of data entry, but for an inquiry 
system, it seems pretty cool.

The only problem is that we may now need to get a second iPad as my
wife, 
kids, and two grandkids are pretty hooked on Angry Birds  :-)

Brad     



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec  9 13:29:42 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:29:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jL533rqO8N_2sdvU_hyemEpSDiwLPHYPYA9_XxEw62RQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55EEFF3@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<47774217B25C456C9FDB2FBEE1C32CB2@XPS>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE5647B@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<413332D02540427285BB20F711596C16@XPS>
	<CAEPJO1jL533rqO8N_2sdvU_hyemEpSDiwLPHYPYA9_XxEw62RQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE261A6.4080505@colbyconsulting.com>

 >Are you suggesting that despite JC's innovative solution to the many-tabs problem, that all this 
shyte  remains in memory despite JC's unloading of the various sub-forms?

Nope it doesn't remain in memory if the subform on a tab unloads when you click off a tab.

All objects on any form or subform loads into memory when the form loads, and unloads when the form 
unloads.  My JIT stuff simply delays the loading of the subform until the user clicks the tab that 
the subform is on.  I then (may) unload the subform(s) on that tab when the user clicks on another 
tab.

The database connections form a pool.  As any object in Access needs a connection, it goes to the 
pool to get one and when that object closes it returns the connection to the pool.

The objects on a form are related to the number of available connections in that when it is time to 
load a form, all connections that the loading form needs have to exist (be available) when the form 
loads.  However as the form unloads, it returns the connections back to the pool.  That is quite the 
point of JIT subforms, to only get the connections when the user actually cares (is trying to look 
at the subform) and return these precious connections once the user moves on.

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the number of objects (controls) a form can contain 
initially or how many can be added to the form right now.  Each form has a similar pool of controls 
that it can add.  The difference is that as you delete a control off a form it does not return that 
"spot" in the pool back to the pool.  Thus over time, as you add and delete controls on the form, 
the number of available "spots" slowly diminishes until they are all used up.

This "objects on a given form" pool has nothing to do with the "available database connections" pool.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/9/2011 12:41 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Interesting theory, which I am in no position to prove or disprove. But I
> am thinking of JC's JIT-tabbed forms construct. Are you suggesting that
> despite JC's innovative solution to the many-tabs problem, that all this
> shyte  remains in memory despite JC's unloading of the various sub-forms?
> Alternatively, am I missing the point completely? (Wouldn't be the first
> time!)
>
> A.



From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 14:21:53 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:21:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>

Stuart, Darryl, Charlotte & Jim:


> Stuart McLachlan:
> ...
> One way to reset the control count  is Application.SaveAsText/LoadFromText.
>

This does not work by itself. You have to reset the ItemSuffix attribute in
the resulting text file before loading it back in. And, you can't have any
controls with default names.

See my earlier post under this topic.

Darryl Collins:
> ...
> In this instance importing the controls into a brand new form DOES help,
> as the control count starts a zero on a new form.
> Many times, on control heavy forms I have used this to get out of bother.
>  Now why they have the limit, and why it doesn't decrease when delete
> controls is a question for someone deep in the MS bunker, Redmond WA USA
>

Try my variation on the SaveAsText/LoadFromText method that I outlined in
my earlier post. I have verified this to work.

Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but there
are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving 754
for the user.

Charlotte Foust:
> ...
> Copies of the form are full copies with the same limits.  The control
> count is part of the properties of the form, so importing it doesn't change
> a thing.  You can create a new form and copy the controls to it but then
> you have to go through replacing the old form with the new one.
>


> Jim Dettman:
> ...
> Importing into a new DB does not reset the count.  Once you hit the limit,
> all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.  You
> can't add any more controls to the existing form.
>

You both are right that imports and form copies don't reset the count. You
can only copy the controls, code and properties to a new form, or use my
technique.

-Ken


From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec  9 18:22:48 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 19:22:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>

Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but
there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving
754 for the user."

Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME WHY
WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 10 09:44:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:44:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
Message-ID: <4EE37E52.2090702@colbyconsulting.com>

Well there are much more important things in life than the number of controls on a form.  Like 
pretty tool bars.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/9/2011 7:22 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but
> there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving
> 754 for the user."
>
> Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME WHY
> WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?
>
>



From john at winhaven.net  Sat Dec 10 10:04:07 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:04:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <4EE37E52.2090702@colbyconsulting.com>
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	<4EE37E52.2090702@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <038e01ccb755$58d63c00$0a82b400$@winhaven.net>

A-hem, that's "Ribbons"

;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 9:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Well there are much more important things in life than the number of
controls on a form.  Like pretty tool bars.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/9/2011 7:22 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, 
> but there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the 
> application, leaving
> 754 for the user."
>
> Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS 
> TIME WHY WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?
>
>

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 21:14:28 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:14:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<008601ccb6d1$d9119510$8b34bf30$@net>
Message-ID: <00d701ccb7b2$ff06d000$fd147000$@gmail.com>

I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation. Especially
a number like 754! Number theorists, have at it!

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Re: " Regarding the limit, my theory is that the real limit is 1024, but
there are 270 controls reserved for internal use by the application, leaving
754 for the user."

Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME WHY
WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED ?


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sun Dec 11 18:17:22 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:17:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <00d701ccb7b2$ff06d000$fd147000$@gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWYsurc2H09D2+oUiKrOiJx3XG6NhrivaBYgr0344VRZg@mail.gmail.com>
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Bill -What Balmer did recently was to "distribute" the product manager role
for Access.
There are now multiple product managers...all over the globe.

>From what I know, Clint Covington is either no longer involved or no longer
with Microsoft.
I'm sure he had taken a LOT of heat past 3 years.
So he got out of the kitchen, so-to-speak.
Now, NO ONE PERSON is responsible for Access.

Slick move by Balmer, eh ?
Never liked the guy, never will.





From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 10:17:37 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:17:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 10:31:38 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:31:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
Message-ID: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


From cjlabs at att.net  Mon Dec 12 10:39:58 2011
From: cjlabs at att.net (Carolyn Johnson)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:39:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>

Rocky,

I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing correctly in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

 Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access 2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


Carolyn Johnson



----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Dear List:
   
  I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
  however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
  housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
  code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
   
  Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
   
  I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
  customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
  support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
  them the system.
   
  MTIA
   
  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software
  858-259-4334
  www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
  www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
  Skype: rocky.smolin
   
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 10:56:56 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:56:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
	<F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>
Message-ID: <A83D0BB77AB9434B882141684418653D@HAL9007>

Do you think the maximize problem is an artifact of the resizing code?

The ADH code has caused me some problems over the years, but has been pretty
reliable.  I've got a lot of forms to change over so I'm not anxious to
switch but if I have to...

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Rocky,

I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing correctly
in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

 Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access
2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is
available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


Carolyn Johnson



----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Dear List:
   
  I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
  however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
  housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
  code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
   
  Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
   
  I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
  customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
  support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
  them the system.
   
  MTIA
   
  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software
  858-259-4334
  www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
  www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
  Skype: rocky.smolin
   
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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Mon Dec 12 10:57:28 2011
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:57:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From cjlabs at att.net  Mon Dec 12 11:06:50 2011
From: cjlabs at att.net (Carolyn Johnson)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:06:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell>
	<A83D0BB77AB9434B882141684418653D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <6126DBCEE4A74D8DB9A87053C941E480@Dell>

It's difficult for me to say.  I have about 100 users for different databases, all on different computers, and was getting some complaints about screens not fitting the monitors and controls moving to the wrong place.   But it's hard to know exactly what was going on in the different situations -- the users are generally not reliable reporters.   I had been using ADH since 1999 or so and was reluctant to switch as well.

I'm getting fewer complaints with AD Tejpal's code.  I just did a mass find and replace with some occasional editing -- it went pretty smoothly.  

But you may be having a different issue if it's just a maximizing problem.


Carolyn Johnson


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Do you think the maximize problem is an artifact of the resizing code?

  The ADH code has caused me some problems over the years, but has been pretty
  reliable.  I've got a lot of forms to change over so I'm not anxious to
  switch but if I have to...

  Rocky


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

  Rocky,

  I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing correctly
  in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

  I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

   Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access
  2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is
  available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


  Carolyn Johnson



  ----- Original Message -----
    From: Rocky Smolin
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


    Dear List:
     
    I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
    however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
    housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
    code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
     
    Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
     
    I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
    customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
    support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
    them the system.
     
    MTIA
     
    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software
    858-259-4334
    www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
    www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
    Skype: rocky.smolin
     
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 11:21:01 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:21:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <6126DBCEE4A74D8DB9A87053C941E480@Dell>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><F07272D4A8094FFAAD617184FF6384C5@Dell><A83D0BB77AB9434B882141684418653D@HAL9007>
	<6126DBCEE4A74D8DB9A87053C941E480@Dell>
Message-ID: <C5357401DE364844BCEE7D2F7BFE5FD2@HAL9007>

So far just maximizing.  Forms in question open down and to the right.  When
I drag them up and to the left so I can see the control box, and click the
maximize button, it maximizes just fine with all the controls correctly
sized for the monitor.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

It's difficult for me to say.  I have about 100 users for different
databases, all on different computers, and was getting some complaints about
screens not fitting the monitors and controls moving to the wrong place.
But it's hard to know exactly what was going on in the different situations
-- the users are generally not reliable reporters.   I had been using ADH
since 1999 or so and was reluctant to switch as well.

I'm getting fewer complaints with AD Tejpal's code.  I just did a mass find
and replace with some occasional editing -- it went pretty smoothly.  

But you may be having a different issue if it's just a maximizing problem.


Carolyn Johnson


----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


  Do you think the maximize problem is an artifact of the resizing code?

  The ADH code has caused me some problems over the years, but has been
pretty
  reliable.  I've got a lot of forms to change over so I'm not anxious to
  switch but if I have to...

  Rocky


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

  Rocky,

  I was having problems with my Access2000 format database resizing
correctly
  in Access2010 using the ADH code.  

  I'm having pretty good results using AD Tejpel's code instead:

   Amongst various alternatives, my sample db named Form_Resize (in access
  2003 file format, reference: DAO 3.6), might be of interest to you It is
  available at Rogers Access Library. Link:
  http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=45


  Carolyn Johnson



  ----- Original Message -----
    From: Rocky Smolin
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:31 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010


    Dear List:
     
    I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
    however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort
of
    housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form
resizing
    code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
     
    Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
     
    I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
    customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
    support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
    them the system.
     
    MTIA
     
    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software
    858-259-4334
    www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
    www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
    Skype: rocky.smolin
     
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 11:27:10 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:27:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
In-Reply-To: <EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B927@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Mon Dec 12 11:33:41 2011
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:33:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B927@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com><EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B927@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C4@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>

Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 12:25:41 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:25:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
In-Reply-To: <EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C4@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com><EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B927@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C4@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B939@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

That is kind of what I was thinking. Trying to do something that cannot be done. Thanks for confirming it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
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From DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov  Mon Dec 12 12:53:14 2011
From: DMcGillivray at ctc.ca.gov (McGillivray, Don)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:53:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
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References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B8EC@houex1.kindermorgan.com><EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C2@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov><0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199841B927@houex1.kindermorgan.com><EE323D9FE2B1974D9B740CB40B79042F0BDA13C4@hqcom002.ctc.ca.gov>
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Doh, wait.  Sorry, I didn't really bother to try to understand WHAT you're trying to do - just looked at your syntax.  If you're trying to insert a row containing the count of active flowing wells for each EngArea, something like this should do it:

INSERT INTO
  [tbl Monthly Well Count] 
  (EngArea, [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count])
  (
    SELECT
      a.EngArea,
      Count(a.PID)
    FROM
      [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] as a
    WHERE
      a.Status in ("FL","FM","FH")
    GROUP BY
      a.EngArea
  )

Where I've specified [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count] above, substitute the name of the column in the destination table where you want to place the count.

Again, not sure if Access requires the subQ to be in parens.  If this chokes try removing them.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

That is kind of what I was thinking. Trying to do something that cannot be done. Thanks for confirming it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Dec 12 13:40:44 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:40:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error
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I used your suggestion but was getting some duplicates. Here is the final solution I ended up with. Thanks for the help

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] ( [Eng Area], [Well Count] )
SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Doh, wait.  Sorry, I didn't really bother to try to understand WHAT you're trying to do - just looked at your syntax.  If you're trying to insert a row containing the count of active flowing wells for each EngArea, something like this should do it:

INSERT INTO
  [tbl Monthly Well Count] 
  (EngArea, [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count])
  (
    SELECT
      a.EngArea,
      Count(a.PID)
    FROM
      [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] as a
    WHERE
      a.Status in ("FL","FM","FH")
    GROUP BY
      a.EngArea
  )

Where I've specified [Name_Of_Column_Containing_The_Count] above, substitute the name of the column in the destination table where you want to place the count.

Again, not sure if Access requires the subQ to be in parens.  If this chokes try removing them.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

That is kind of what I was thinking. Trying to do something that cannot be done. Thanks for confirming it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Missed that.  You can't insert into "Count(A.PID)" of the destination table.  Think about it . . . 

Remove the Count() from around A.PID.  That should do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

I tried your suggestions ( I think correctly) and still get an insert into syntax error. The cursor goes to the "(" after count on the first line when the syntax error comes up.

Thanks for the ideas.

Here is how the sql reads now
INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count] (Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

Try this:

1)	Lose the FROM before your subquery.
2)	Not sure whether you need the parentheses around your subquery.  Access SQL may require it, but other flavors (e.g. Oracle) don't.
3)	The GROUP BY clause was part of the main query - not the subquery - in the original.  Take that out.

HTH,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Append Query syntax error

The following select query works great

SELECT Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

When I tried to make it an append query I get a syntax error. I don't see the error. Maybe someone else can

INSERT INTO [tbl Monthly Well Count](Count(A.PID) AS [Active Flowing Count],EngArea) 
FROM (SELECT DISTINCT A.PID, EngArea 
FROM [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] AS A 
WHERE(A.Status In ("FL","FM","FH"))) 
Group by EngArea;

Thanks


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Mon Dec 12 14:25:59 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:25:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACCDE Questions
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I have an Access 2007 application that I have been deploying as an ACCDR
file to a small number of users.

Recently, I have been thinking about deploying it as an ACCDE file.  I
have some basic questions.

Is there a way to generate an ACCDE file via a batch script with Command
Line Switches?  I have done some digging but have not been able to find
a way to do this.

If I create an ACCDE file, it appears that I can rename it to ACCDR to
accomplish further "lock down".  Is this Okay to do?

Are there any "Gotchas" that a person should be aware of when using
ACCDE files?   The application in question does not allow users to
change any form, report, VBA code, etc.  However, there is VBA code that
does change query defs behind the scenes.  Is this going to be a problem
with an ACCDE file?

Thanks,
Brad



From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 14:51:10 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:51:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yVHVPQqoyTXP1Qin9xmYLfGy4K_eOWPJ0pe+0rvMCj84g@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation. Especially
> a number like 754! Number theorists, have at it!
>

I can account for 255 of the 'missing' controls: Access queries have a 255
field limit. Correspondingly, on an Access form, there are 255 AccessField
objects reserved for holding query row values.

AccessField objects allow you to refer to the underlying field's value
without binding it to a control

Subtract 255 from 1024 and you get 769. So that is 754 user controls, plus
15 'system reserved'. These could be things like navigation buttons, record
selectors, datasheet support, PrtDevMode and PrtMip.

Mark Simms:
> Wow Ken, very intriguing....but more importantly, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME
> WHY
> WASN'T THE LIMIT RAISED
>

I can't give you specifics, but I can tell you that a project like Access
has a tremendous amount of inertia. Unless you build in flexibility from
the very beginning, changing fundamental constants when a project is mature
becomes very difficult.

The cost of fixing all the things that would break when changing limits
like this would likely exceed the cost of building a new system from
scratch.

Thus, the emphasis on 'window dressing'. Its all flash and noise dedicated
to selling the same old thing, which buys time for newer projects like
LightSwitch to gain traction.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 15:10:29 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:10:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Mark Simms
> Is there some VBA to do this ?
>
> > all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.
>

Yes, I developed just such a product. It copies all controls and form
properties over, and all properties for each control, rebuilding the form
from scratch. It worked perfectly.

Doing a half-assed version in VBA is not so hard. Doing it right is really,
really involved. You are really better off doing it by hand.

The kicker is I did this when I worked for another company, and they own
the rights to the code, so I can't distribute it. Maybe one day I will make
the case for them to BSD-license it.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 15:26:50 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:26:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>

To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
control names.

When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.

The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
control could already exist, and then you're stuck.

That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.

It was to avoid name collisions.

So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution for
what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.

-Ken


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 15:31:44 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:31:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8jG+eNbCYb_Be6P1WiKJjVJ5BXsO-Pw+8j+FvovtE+zQ@mail.gmail.com>

Amen, Ken.  I used to have code to build forms using a code library and
some templates.  It was a complicated operation and took me forever to make
it work, and I discovered that doing it by hand was easier.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Kenneth Ismert <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Mark Simms
> > Is there some VBA to do this ?
> >
> > > all you can do is create a new form and then copy controls into it.
> >
>
> Yes, I developed just such a product. It copies all controls and form
> properties over, and all properties for each control, rebuilding the form
> from scratch. It worked perfectly.
>
> Doing a half-assed version in VBA is not so hard. Doing it right is really,
> really involved. You are really better off doing it by hand.
>
> The kicker is I did this when I worked for another company, and they own
> the rights to the code, so I can't distribute it. Maybe one day I will make
> the case for them to BSD-license it.
>
> -Ken
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>
>


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec 12 17:19:09 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:19:09 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
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Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know, but you are not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010, however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to support two version and find out which version they're on before sending them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Mon Dec 12 17:21:29 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:21:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Ken,

That is a good and clear explanation.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)

>
> William Benson:
> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>

To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default control names.

When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.

The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter, especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a control could already exist, and then you're stuck.

That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.

It was to avoid name collisions.

So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.

-Ken
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Dec 12 17:41:56 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:41:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
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Wow - thanks for the "heads-up" Ken. Very impressive.

> Doing a half-assed version in VBA is not so hard. Doing it right is
> really, really involved. You are really better off doing it by hand.
>




From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Dec 12 17:44:33 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:44:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8jG+eNbCYb_Be6P1WiKJjVJ5BXsO-Pw+8j+FvovtE+zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8jG+eNbCYb_Be6P1WiKJjVJ5BXsO-Pw+8j+FvovtE+zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008601ccb928$009f6be0$01de43a0$@net>

But let me ask...for complex forms with a lot of controls in specific
positions and "tight registration"...
Isn't the manual rebuild a monumental task in some cases ?

> Amen, Ken.  I used to have code to build forms using a code library and
> some templates.  It was a complicated operation and took me forever to
> make it work, and I discovered that doing it by hand was easier.
>
> Charlotte Foust




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 18:36:52 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:36:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Thanks Ken,
>
> That is a good and clear explanation.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> >
> > William Benson:
> > I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
> >
>
> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
> control names.
>
> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>
> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>
> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>
> It was to avoid name collisions.
>
> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>
> -Ken
> --
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>
>
>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 19:01:03 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:01:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <008601ccb928$009f6be0$01de43a0$@net>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met8jG+eNbCYb_Be6P1WiKJjVJ5BXsO-Pw+8j+FvovtE+zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<008601ccb928$009f6be0$01de43a0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8ZTqkOg_U7oZX6UNOYo0Rdc6eMx4YDGV0-XKxKeBGzWA@mail.gmail.com>

You might change your mind if you start writing code to copy the controls
over!  The code I had took me forever to write and tweak and I did it only
because I was building UIs for survey input that included questions and
answers and used multiple subforms and navigation buttons based on a
limited set of control types to capture specific types of data.  There was
never a time when it was totally automated.  I only built the code because
the company's business was corporate direct marketing and I was building
survey UIs on a daily basis.  It wouldn't have been worth it otherwise.

Charlotte Foust

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> But let me ask...for complex forms with a lot of controls in specific
> positions and "tight registration"...
> Isn't the manual rebuild a monumental task in some cases ?
>
> > Amen, Ken.  I used to have code to build forms using a code library and
> > some templates.  It was a complicated operation and took me forever to
> > make it work, and I discovered that doing it by hand was easier.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 19:24:49 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:24:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <B86467722A74459FA07B65E27F1774F7@HAL9007>

It's a comfort. :) 

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the
role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were
only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to
turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was definitely
an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know, but you are
not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 08:31:59 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:31:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>


 The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:

A2000 - 800
A2002 - 894
A2007 - 1040
A2010 - 1040

  Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.  

  These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
objects, but what that process is is un-clear.

Jim.

Public Sub CheckControlCreation()

  Dim frm As Form
  Dim ctlText As Control
  Dim ctlLabel As Control
  Dim intK As Integer

  ' Create form based on Customers form.
  Set frm = CreateForm()

  For intK = 1 To 2000

    ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
    Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)

    ' Create child label control for text box.
    Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "", 100,
100)
    
    Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
  
  Next intK

End Sub 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Thanks Ken,
>
> That is a good and clear explanation.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> >
> > William Benson:
> > I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
> >
>
> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
> control names.
>
> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>
> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>
> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>
> It was to avoid name collisions.
>
> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>
> -Ken
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>
>
>
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From Benson at ge.com  Tue Dec 13 08:33:46 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:33:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <B86467722A74459FA07B65E27F1774F7@HAL9007>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<B86467722A74459FA07B65E27F1774F7@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C13023DCE8D@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Any possibility there is an unhandled runtime error which stops Access
from doing what it should?

In order to trouble-chute this you could remove most of the
functionality from those forms and see whether you get better
reaction...

Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

It's a comfort. :) 

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl
Collins
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left
the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they
were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is
likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing
was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I
know, but you are not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort
of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form
resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 09:15:28 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:15:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
Message-ID: <4EE76C10.4050400@colbyconsulting.com>

Wow!

Obviously you need answers badly or you don't have enough paying work.  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 9:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>
>    Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
> some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
> which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.
>
>    These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
> objects, but what that process is is un-clear.
>
> Jim.
>
> Public Sub CheckControlCreation()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
> intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "", 100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
> On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins"<darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ken,
>>
>> That is a good and clear explanation.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>> A2010....)
>>
>>>
>>> William Benson:
>>> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>>>
>>
>> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
>> control names.
>>
>> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
>> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
>> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>>
>> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
>> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
>> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
>> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
>> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>>
>> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
>> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>>
>> It was to avoid name collisions.
>>
>> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
>> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
>> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>>
>> -Ken
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>
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>>



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 09:32:39 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:32:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <4EE76C10.4050400@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
	<4EE76C10.4050400@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <5B9F45562C414FF89415B34BFB2F845A@XPS>


 Have always been curious about the limit; 754 is just such an odd number.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Wow!

Obviously you need answers badly or you don't have enough paying work.  ;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 9:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>
>    Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
> some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
> which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.
>
>    These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
> objects, but what that process is is un-clear.
>
> Jim.
>
> Public Sub CheckControlCreation()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
> intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "",
100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
> On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins"<darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ken,
>>
>> That is a good and clear explanation.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Darryl.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>> A2010....)
>>
>>>
>>> William Benson:
>>> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>>>
>>
>> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
>> control names.
>>
>> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
>> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
>> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>>
>> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
>> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
>> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
>> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
>> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>>
>> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
>> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>>
>> It was to avoid name collisions.
>>
>> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
>> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
>> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>>
>> -Ken
>> --
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>>
>>
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 09:39:35 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:39:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <5B9F45562C414FF89415B34BFB2F845A@XPS>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
	<4EE76C10.4050400@colbyconsulting.com>
	<5B9F45562C414FF89415B34BFB2F845A@XPS>
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First, it's an even number, not odd. And second, a WAG... 768 - 14 overhead
bytes? LOL.
A.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>wrote:

>
>  Have always been curious about the limit; 754 is just such an odd number.
>
> Jim.
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 09:58:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:58:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <5B9F45562C414FF89415B34BFB2F845A@XPS>
References: <CAMEw5yWjhCCxgra2gno2wJwaJZBKwwJnEFzrfFDHzxXMQzz9Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD66@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4Xq1A=xY783PP-rgo_+Wz3_zAB3gtHtV_e3fzHsYHE1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D55BD1A293E46ED9C379A8FD232ABA8@XPS>
	<4EE76C10.4050400@colbyconsulting.com>
	<5B9F45562C414FF89415B34BFB2F845A@XPS>
Message-ID: <4EE77628.4000404@colbyconsulting.com>

 >754 is just such an odd number.

That it is!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 10:32 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   Have always been curious about the limit; 754 is just such an odd number.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:15 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Wow!
>
> Obviously you need answers badly or you don't have enough paying work.  ;)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/13/2011 9:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>>
>>    The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
>> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
>> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>>
>> A2000 - 800
>> A2002 - 894
>> A2007 - 1040
>> A2010 - 1040
>>
>>     Apparently the control creation limit is not a hard limit, but based on
>> some other internal constraint.  This is similar to the table ID limit,
>> which is stated as 2048, but actually floats a bit.
>>
>>     These limits are somehow tied to the way Access internally handles open
>> objects, but what that process is is un-clear.
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> Public Sub CheckControlCreation()
>>
>>     Dim frm As Form
>>     Dim ctlText As Control
>>     Dim ctlLabel As Control
>>     Dim intK As Integer
>>
>>     ' Create form based on Customers form.
>>     Set frm = CreateForm()
>>
>>     For intK = 1 To 2000
>>
>>       ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>>       Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , 100 +
>> intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)
>>
>>       ' Create child label control for text box.
>>       Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, acLabel, , ctlText.Name, "",
> 100,
>> 100)
>>
>>       Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>>
>>     Next intK
>>
>> End Sub
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
>> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:37 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>> A2010....)
>>
>> Great explanations. Thanks Mark and Ken.
>> On Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM, "Darryl Collins"<darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Ken,
>>>
>>> That is a good and clear explanation.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Darryl.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:27 AM
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
>>> A2010....)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> William Benson:
>>>> I would love to hear MS's defense of this "lifetime" limitation....
>>>>
>>>
>>> To answer the first part of your question, it all has to do with default
>>> control names.
>>>
>>> When you insert a control in a form, it is given a default name, like
>>> text10 or label121. The counter that names the controls is the Lifetime
>>> Control Limit counter. Once it hits 754, it gives up.
>>>
>>> The reason for that is name collisions. You can't just reset the counter,
>>> especially when lots of controls on the form have default names. In this
>>> scenario, Access might try to name a new control 'text203', and that name
>>> would already exist. In pathological cases, all possible new names for a
>>> control could already exist, and then you're stuck.
>>>
>>> That is why, in my earlier instructions, I required that you rename all
>>> controls with default number-suffixed names before resetting the counter.
>>>
>>> It was to avoid name collisions.
>>>
>>> So, that is the explanation for the Lifetime Control Limit. Is it stupid?
>>> Yes. Is it lazy? Yes. But it was Microsoft's 'quick and dirty' solution
>>> for what they surely imagined was going to be a rare event.
>>>
>>> -Ken
>>> --
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>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Dec 13 10:06:00 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:06:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C13023DCE8D@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com><B86467722A74459FA07B65E27F1774F7@HAL9007>
	<E83763DC9D31D143BE62BB7788627C13023DCE8D@CINMLVEM13.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <B20D388147DF45A0A14B3EE33F2FBBB9@HAL9007>

Gotta try that.  Awkward because I need to make the mde in 2003 then copy to
machine #2 to test.  But I'll give it a whirl.

"an unhandled runtime error which stops Access from doing what it should?"
Is there such a thing?


R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Benson, William
(GE Global Research, consultant)
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Any possibility there is an unhandled runtime error which stops Access from
doing what it should?

In order to trouble-chute this you could remove most of the functionality
from those forms and see whether you get better reaction...

Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

It's a comfort. :) 

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Hi Rocky,

Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the
role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were
only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to
turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was definitely
an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know, but you are
not alone with this issue.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

Dear List:
 
I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.  
 
Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?  
 
I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
them the system.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Dec 13 11:11:24 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:11:24 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Excel_Web_App_hosted_on_SkyDrive=2E=2E?=
	=?utf-8?q?=2E?=
Message-ID: <E1RaVsy-0005J8-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f204.mail.ru>

Hi All,

FYI: http://www.excelmashup.com/

Thank you.

-- Shamil?

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 11:21:55 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:21:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FYI: Excel Web App hosted on SkyDrive...
In-Reply-To: <E1RaVsy-0005J8-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f204.mail.ru>
References: <E1RaVsy-0005J8-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f204.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4EE789B3.2030104@colbyconsulting.com>

I spend all of my day trying to prevent my data from getting mashed up and then Microsoft promotes this!

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 12:11 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> FYI: http://www.excelmashup.com/
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 15:22:51 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:22:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4_R4NnrR9v3pmmGUVe1Jv+_fpY2Ug+dJSuB9kyXVYLzA@mail.gmail.com>

As far as unhandled error what I was wondering is that maybe if perhaps an
mde keeps users out of the code, then unlike an accdb or an mdb possibly
the code in an event just stops executing with no warning?  I've never
built or tested an mde!
On Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Rocky,
>
> Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left the
> role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required (they were
> only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google is likely to
> turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form resizing was
> definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you right now I know,
> but you are not alone with this issue.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010,
> however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort of
> housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form resizing
> code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.
>
> Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?
>
> I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of my
> customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have to
> support two version and find out which version they're on before sending
> them the system.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 15:58:39 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:58:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How do I find ~TMPxyz connections?
Message-ID: <4EE7CA8F.5040001@colbyconsulting.com>

I am iterating my connections in tabledefs and I have three connections with ~TMP as the leading 
part of the name.  They point to a SQL server Express database that physically does not exist any 
more.  I have discovered that these links to old stuff cause massive slowing opening real linked 
tables so I need to find and delete these links, but I am at a loss to discover how.

~TMPCLP184931: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP280711: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP288731: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP373521: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft? 
Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
~TMPCLP457481: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL 
Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?

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Colby Consulting

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when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 13 16:12:07 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:12:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How do I find ~TMPxyz connections?
In-Reply-To: <4EE7CA8F.5040001@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE7CA8F.5040001@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EE7CDB7.8000807@colbyconsulting.com>

Never mind.  that was from tables already deleted.  When I exited the db and came back in these were 
gone.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/13/2011 4:58 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> I am iterating my connections in tabledefs and I have three connections with ~TMP as the leading
> part of the name. They point to a SQL server Express database that physically does not exist any
> more. I have discovered that these links to old stuff cause massive slowing opening real linked
> tables so I need to find and delete these links, but I am at a loss to discover how.
>
> ~TMPCLP184931: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP280711: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP288731: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP373521: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
> Access;WSID=DISABILITYINS89;DATABASE=DISCO_UllicoEligibility;Network=DBMSSOCN
> ~TMPCLP457481: ODBC;Description=Ullico Elig;DRIVER=SQL
> Server;SERVER=DISCOSRVR\SQLEXPRESS;UID=DiscoApp;APP=Microsoft?
>



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 16:13:18 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:13:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4_R4NnrR9v3pmmGUVe1Jv+_fpY2Ug+dJSuB9kyXVYLzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007>
	<56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4_R4NnrR9v3pmmGUVe1Jv+_fpY2Ug+dJSuB9kyXVYLzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5601060@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Perhaps, but my experience would suggest it is more of a bug than anything else.  Or perhaps a deliberate attempt to move folks off MDE to accde instead.

The premise is simple.  If a form is set to docmd.maximise then that is what it should do upon open (or event).  It works as expected in A2003 as MDB or MDE.  But in A2007 the docmd.maximise is seemingly ignored.  The form usually opens as a float - I think it also did it for MDB format stuff as well - can't recall.

>From memory if you click on the form or moved it - it would immediately maximise and snap to full size.

As I said, it has been a while, but I do recall it coming up consistently in the testing we were doing.  Annoying.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2011 8:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

As far as unhandled error what I was wondering is that maybe if perhaps an mde keeps users out of the code, then unlike an accdb or an mdb possibly the code in an event just stops executing with no warning?  I've never built or tested an mde!
On Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Rocky,
>
> Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left 
> the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required 
> (they were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google 
> is likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form 
> resizing was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you 
> right now I know, but you are not alone with this issue.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010, 
> however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort 
> of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form 
> resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.
>
> Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?
>
> I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of 
> my customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have 
> to support two version and find out which version they're on before 
> sending them the system.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com < 
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 16:58:46 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:58:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUA8bhkxMJKLh5U1vfyzVsRG5HL9LS+tiLtsZV+7GCrXQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Jim Dettman:
>  The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>

Very intriguing, Jim. I ran your code on Access 2000, and got 801 controls,
confirming your result.

A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/208192

But I have personally seen forms with this 754 control limit, however the
database was imported from Access 97.

So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?

It is obvious that the control limit was raised in later versions of
Access, but the reasons for these particular limits remain mysterious.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 17:26:20 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:26:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Mark Simms:
> But let me ask...for complex forms with a lot of controls in specific
> positions and "tight registration"...
> Isn't the manual rebuild a monumental task in some cases ?
>
> Charlotte Foust:
> You might change your mind if you start writing code to copy the controls
> over!  ... I only built the code because ... I was building survey UIs on
> a
> daily basis.  It wouldn't have been worth it otherwise.
>

I agree with Charlotte. You have to be strongly motivated to tackle this
project.

In my case, the company's flagship A2K product had a crippling case of
bloat that none of the normal methods (including EatBloat) could cure.

It took 3 months full-time to develop the 'complete rebuild' fix, which did
finally work (to everyone's great relief)!

Mark: if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:

1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
and 'text234'.

2. In the Immediate window, count the number of controls:
    ? Forms("frmFoo").Controls.Count

2. Save the form as text:
    Application.SaveAsText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
edit it to the number of controls +1:
        ItemSuffix =128

4. Backup your Access database. Delete the problem form. Compact & Repair.

5. Import the form using:
    Application.LoadFromText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path & "\" &
"Form_frmFoo.txt"

I have observed this to work.

-Ken


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Dec 13 19:24:40 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:24:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4_R4NnrR9v3pmmGUVe1Jv+_fpY2Ug+dJSuB9kyXVYLzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2E9687AB0B7449D0BA93BACAD5505DA9@HAL9007><56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B55FFD48@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4_R4NnrR9v3pmmGUVe1Jv+_fpY2Ug+dJSuB9kyXVYLzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A06FFD0386704B30B79811B6CA768F1F@HAL9007>

No - you get the same error message - just no Debug option.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 1:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010

As far as unhandled error what I was wondering is that maybe if perhaps an
mde keeps users out of the code, then unlike an accdb or an mdb possibly the
code in an event just stops executing with no warning?  I've never built or
tested an mde!
On Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Rocky,
>
> Seen it before - never did get a fix, but that was more because I left 
> the role I was in where it was a problem before a fix was required 
> (they were only testing A2007 at the time to suss out issues) - Google 
> is likely to turn up something useful if you are lucky.  The form 
> resizing was definitely an issue at the time.  Not much help for you 
> right now I know, but you are not alone with this issue.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 3:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Maximize in A2010
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an mde compiled in A2003 - works fine.  When running in A2010, 
> however, some of the forms do not open maximized.  I use the same sort 
> of housekeeping in the Open module of every form -  use the ADH form 
> resizing code and issue a DoCmd.Maximize.
>
> Has anyone seen this behavior and/or developed a workaround?
>
> I would prefer not to convert the app to 2010 and compile as many of 
> my customers are still on 2003 or 2007 and I would prefer not to have 
> to support two version and find out which version they're on before 
> sending them the system.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com < 
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 19:30:42 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:30:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yUA8bhkxMJKLh5U1vfyzVsRG5HL9LS+tiLtsZV+7GCrXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUA8bhkxMJKLh5U1vfyzVsRG5HL9LS+tiLtsZV+7GCrXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DC4054550E234B23AF33C9C09A16BC2B@XPS>

Ken,

<<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>

  Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
(yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
  
<<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?>>

  For A97 I got 752.

  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 05:59 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

>
> Jim Dettman:
>  The default control names may have something to do with it, but it's not
> the entire answer.  I just ran the code below in A2003 and was able to
> create 895 controls.   I tried the same code in other versions as well:
>
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
>

Very intriguing, Jim. I ran your code on Access 2000, and got 801 controls,
confirming your result.

A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/208192

But I have personally seen forms with this 754 control limit, however the
database was imported from Access 97.

So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?

It is obvious that the control limit was raised in later versions of
Access, but the reasons for these particular limits remain mysterious.

-Ken
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 20:52:10 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:52:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>


Hi guys and girls.

One of my colleagues is using a UDF embedded into an Access Query.  The query runs find in access by when he is calling the query from Excel VBA (via qd.openrecordset).  The code fails with a 'undefined function' error.

I read on google the following which was a response to a similar issue:

"Access uses Jet, and the combination of Access and Jet understands VBA functions. DAO is a generic data access layer that doesn't understand VBA functions.
When you use DAO, you're not automating Access, merely using that bridge to get to the data.
Even though some versions of Access use DAO internally to communicate with Jet, the ability to understand VBA is programmed into Access, not DAO."

So, is that correct.  I would have thought the DOA would have only sent the command to open the query and Access would still do all of the processing?

Any thoughts on this.

I personally wouldn't do it this way. I would use the Function from Excel to get all of the parameters first and then pass them to the query as needed.  In this case the function is built into the query itself in Access.

Cheers
Darryl.



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Dec 13 21:26:37 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:26:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4EE8176D.24437.13D851CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 14 Dec 2011 at 2:52, Darryl Collins wrote:

> 
> So, is that correct.  I would have thought the DOA would have only
> sent the command to open the query and Access would still do all of
> the processing? 
> 

Yes, it is correct.  Access does not do the processing, the DAO/JET engine does it.   
DAO/JET doesn't know anything at all about VBA., let alone what VBA functions happen to 
be in the same Access container are the table.






From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 21:30:17 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 03:30:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel
In-Reply-To: <4EE8176D.24437.13D851CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560121C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<4EE8176D.24437.13D851CF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B5601256@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Stuart.  That clears that up. I will tell him to go to Plan B instead.

Cheers
darryl

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Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2011 2:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] UDF in Access called to Excel

On 14 Dec 2011 at 2:52, Darryl Collins wrote:

> 
> So, is that correct.  I would have thought the DOA would have only 
> sent the command to open the query and Access would still do all of 
> the processing?
> 

Yes, it is correct.  Access does not do the processing, the DAO/JET engine does it.   
DAO/JET doesn't know anything at all about VBA., let alone what VBA functions happen to be in the same Access container are the table.




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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 21:44:17 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:44:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003c01ccba12$a84eb590$f8ec20b0$@net>

Thanks a ton Ken ! Simply excellent technical investigative work. Well done.

> 5. Import the form using:
>     Application.LoadFromText acForm, "frmFoo", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\" &
> "Form_frmFoo.txt"
>
> I have observed this to work.
>
> -Ken




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 22:17:49 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:17:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>

If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a new
form and renaming the form suffice? 

>>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<



From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 13 22:35:10 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:35:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
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That is what I normally do - which is probably why it is nearly always much more work to code it than do it all manually.  The copy / paste way is usually fast, even with many hundreds of controls it doesn't take more than a few minutes I find.  The only other step is to ensure you copy the form code over as well to the new form.

I usually rename the old form "frmMyForm_OLD" first, create a new form and save it "frmMyForm", copy the controls, copy the code, save and test.  If the new form works as expected I then delete the old form entirely (of course I have an original one on an older backup version).

Cheers
Darryl.

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Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2011 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a new form and renaming the form suffice? 

>>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 14 02:11:59 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:11:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
Message-ID: <see86867.084@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

For Access 2.0 it runs to:

Field652       Text653

then exits with an "out of memory" error.
Code must be modified to:

<code>
Sub CheckControlCreation ()

  Dim frm As Form
  Dim ctlText As Control
  Dim ctlLabel As Control
  Dim intK As Integer

  ' Create form based on Customers form.
  Set frm = CreateForm()

  For intK = 1 To 2000

    ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
    Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100 + intK, 200, 200)

    ' Create child label control for text box.
    Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100, 100)
    
    Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
  
  Next intK

End Sub
</code>

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30 >>>
Ken,

<<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>

  Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
(yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
  
<<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?>>

  For A97 I got 752.

  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.

Jim. 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 06:05:11 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:05:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
Message-ID: <4EE890F7.6000204@colbyconsulting.com>

I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has changed a message is 
generated.  The nice part is that Access places the change in the paste buffer.

How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form then the prompt the user to 
insert the paste buffer?

I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 07:24:32 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:24:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <see86867.084@cactus.dk>
References: <see86867.084@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <B7227A7C9F31425FB9AFF9DC01EAF1BA@XPS>


  BTW, one of the things I did try was creating text only controls rather
then a text/label combination.  Got the same results, but other control
types might yield different numbers. If they do, then the limit would seem
more related to object management rather then some inherent limitation with
form objects themselves (in terms of storage).

  I'll play with that today if I have time.

Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 03:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Hi Jim

For Access 2.0 it runs to:

Field652       Text653

then exits with an "out of memory" error.
Code must be modified to:

<code>
Sub CheckControlCreation ()

  Dim frm As Form
  Dim ctlText As Control
  Dim ctlLabel As Control
  Dim intK As Integer

  ' Create form based on Customers form.
  Set frm = CreateForm()

  For intK = 1 To 2000

    ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
    Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100 +
intK, 200, 200)

    ' Create child label control for text box.
    Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100,
100)
    
    Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
  
  Next intK

End Sub
</code>

/gustav


>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30 >>>
Ken,

<<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
even
Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>

  Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
(yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
  
<<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
this on?>>

  For A97 I got 752.

  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.

Jim. 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 09:16:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:16:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <B7227A7C9F31425FB9AFF9DC01EAF1BA@XPS>
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I would bet you will find that each type of control can have that limit of controls IOW 750 labels 
(not connected to a text box) 750 text boxes, 750 radio buttons, 750 combos etc.  Each control has a 
different name prefix and thus there will be no collision between names for text boxes and combo 
boxes and radio buttons.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 8:24 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>    BTW, one of the things I did try was creating text only controls rather
> then a text/label combination.  Got the same results, but other control
> types might yield different numbers. If they do, then the limit would seem
> more related to object management rather then some inherent limitation with
> form objects themselves (in terms of storage).
>
>    I'll play with that today if I have time.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 03:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Hi Jim
>
> For Access 2.0 it runs to:
>
> Field652       Text653
>
> then exits with an "out of memory" error.
> Code must be modified to:
>
> <code>
> Sub CheckControlCreation ()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100 +
> intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
> </code>
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30>>>
> Ken,
>
> <<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
> even
> Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>
>
>    Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the A95/A97
> timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
> (yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
> specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
> around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
>
> <<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only for
> Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
> this on?>>
>
>    For A97 I got 752.
>
>    Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.
>
> Jim.
>
>



From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 09:49:28 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:49:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
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	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
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Apparently the important last control number is "inherited" from the old
form.....
that's why you must go to text...
And then edit the number.

> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to
> a new
> form and renaming the form suffice?
>
> >>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<




From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 10:49:20 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:49:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>
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	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
	<000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>
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You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
place.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Apparently the important last control number is "inherited" from the old
> form.....
> that's why you must go to text...
> And then edit the number.
>
> > If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to
> > a new
> > form and renaming the form suffice?
> >
> > >>>if you are forced to rebuild a huge form, try these steps:<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
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>
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 11:10:59 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:10:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
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Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go through
sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds of
users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I have
no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
new models. It's a learning experience.

A.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
> change in the paste buffer.
>
> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>
> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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>



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 12:13:42 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:13:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
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I am not sure what difference a view would make though.  The data behind the scenes has still changed.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 12:10 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
> experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
> Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
> touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
> mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go through
> sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
> they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
> view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
> drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds of
> users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I have
> no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
> LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
> new models. It's a learning experience.
>
> A.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
>> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
>> change in the paste buffer.
>>
>> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
>> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>>
>> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>
>
>



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 12:18:07 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:18:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
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	<CAEPJO1hsdptdLqSjvAdV28tbsYHSSiMneAy8D3=E_UYAiEkGCg@mail.gmail.com>
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It's a security feature.  Regular users simply don't have the role
permission to change the data in the tables, they have to do it through a
view.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:13 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I am not sure what difference a view would make though.  The data behind
> the scenes has still changed.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/14/2011 12:10 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
>> experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
>> Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
>> touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
>> mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go
>> through
>> sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
>> they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
>> view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
>> drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds
>> of
>> users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I
>> have
>> no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
>> LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
>> new models. It's a learning experience.
>>
>> A.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
>>> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
>>> change in the paste buffer.
>>>
>>> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
>>> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>>>
>>> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
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>>>
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>>>
>>> >
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.
>>>
>>> ****com<http://www.**databaseadvisors.com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 12:30:59 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:30:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
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	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
	<000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>
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You mean RENAME, right ? Every control has a name property by default.
i.e. there are no unnamed controls.

> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the
> first place.
>
> Charlotte Foust





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 12:38:16 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:38:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access bounc form - Data has changed
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Yes I understand that but I have set up users and such and their permissions.  The message I am 
getting is that another user has changed the data.  I have to do something to cause the form to 
discover that the data has been written and refresh the data in the current form so that changes to 
the data in the current form are now allowed.

AFAIK that has nothing to do with views per se.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 1:18 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> It's a security feature.  Regular users simply don't have the role
> permission to change the data in the tables, they have to do it through a
> view.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:13 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> I am not sure what difference a view would make though.  The data behind
>> the scenes has still changed.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/14/2011 12:10 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Without pretending to expertise on this topic, although admitting some
>>> experience, I have found that the best way to handle this stuff is via
>>> Views. Which is also a statement of principle: never let Anyone but God
>>> touch the tables, me and in your case You assuming the God role, allow no
>>> mortal to ever touch the tables: that is Your province; they all go
>>> through
>>> sprocs or views; it happens that in an Access app, I prefer views, because
>>> they are much more flexible: simple, simple, simple: main form has one
>>> view, details form has another view, linked Master and subForm keys;
>>> drop-dead simple, and works like a charm. Maybe not scalable to hundreds
>>> of
>>> users, although I have made it work with 70+ users, and it was Fast. I
>>> have
>>> no complaints about that approach, although I am also looking at C# and
>>> LightSwitch alternatives, and attempting to re-write client apps on these
>>> new models. It's a learning experience.
>>>
>>> A.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   I am moving to SQL Server and when a user tries to update data that has
>>>> changed a message is generated.  The nice part is that Access places the
>>>> change in the paste buffer.
>>>>
>>>> How do I handle that at the form?  Trap the error and requery the form
>>>> then the prompt the user to insert the paste buffer?
>>>>
>>>> I will be testing that stuff but have no experience here.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Dec 14 13:15:02 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:15:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on	A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <4EE8BDC2.5010108@colbyconsulting.com>
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	<4EE8BDC2.5010108@colbyconsulting.com>
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  No, that's not the case.  When I ran the tests, it didn't matter if I did
text and label controls or just text controls as I would get the same number
of total controls either way.

  I had been testing to see if the type of control affected the out come
(because of the difference in the number of PEM's) in the total number of
controls, but it didn't (at least not for text vs label vs all text, which
should have been different enough to show up).

  And it doesn't seem like the naming is related to the limit.  The tests
for A2000 and up all yielded control names >754 and A2007 and up went from
three to four positions for the numeric portion of the naming.  That means
you would be able to get 9,999 controls for each control type without a
conflict in names.  However the numeric suffix counter applies to all
controls, so you should be able to get to 9,999 without a problem, but the
limit is far short of that.

  I don't think it's related to the storage method either; all the numbers
are odd (not 256, 512, 1024, etc).  You just can't come up with any number
of bits that represent the numbers shown.  Only possibility is the one Ken
raised where internal objects are using some of the mapping (ie. 1024 - x
number of internal objects = objects available to you). 

  But it seems more related to internal memory management then it does to
anything else we've seen so far as the value seems to float from version to
version.  It's like the table ID limit which also floats a bit; one minute
you can be fine with a query or form and the next you get an "out of memory"
message.

  What I'd really like to see happen is those test numbers change a bit on
the same machine or between machines.  That would really imply that it's
related to memory management.  A hard coded limit or a limit based on the
storage method would always be consistent no matter when or where checked.

Jim.   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

I would bet you will find that each type of control can have that limit of
controls IOW 750 labels 
(not connected to a text box) 750 text boxes, 750 radio buttons, 750 combos
etc.  Each control has a 
different name prefix and thus there will be no collision between names for
text boxes and combo 
boxes and radio buttons.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 8:24 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>    BTW, one of the things I did try was creating text only controls rather
> then a text/label combination.  Got the same results, but other control
> types might yield different numbers. If they do, then the limit would seem
> more related to object management rather then some inherent limitation
with
> form objects themselves (in terms of storage).
>
>    I'll play with that today if I have time.
>
> Jim.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 03:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
> A2010....)
>
> Hi Jim
>
> For Access 2.0 it runs to:
>
> Field652       Text653
>
> then exits with an "out of memory" error.
> Code must be modified to:
>
> <code>
> Sub CheckControlCreation ()
>
>    Dim frm As Form
>    Dim ctlText As Control
>    Dim ctlLabel As Control
>    Dim intK As Integer
>
>    ' Create form based on Customers form.
>    Set frm = CreateForm()
>
>    For intK = 1 To 2000
>
>      ' Create unbound default-size text box in detail section.
>      Set ctlText = CreateControl(frm.Name, 109, 0, "", "", 100 + intK, 100
+
> intK, 200, 200)
>
>      ' Create child label control for text box.
>      Set ctlLabel = CreateControl(frm.Name, 100, 0, ctlText.Name, "", 100,
> 100)
>
>      Debug.Print ctlText.Name, ctlLabel.Name
>
>    Next intK
>
> End Sub
> </code>
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 14-12-2011 02:30>>>
> Ken,
>
> <<A Google search revealed that the 754 limit is very widely quoted, and
> even
> Microsoft's own page repeats this figure:>>
>
>    Yes, it's been out there for many years.  It was sometime in the
A95/A97
> timeframe that I first saw it documented.  A quick check of the A2 manuals
> (yes, they are still on the shelf) does not have it listed as part of the
> specs.  Unfortunately I don't have it loaded to test.  Disks are still
> around somewhere but it's not worth the effort.
>
> <<So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are correct only
for
> Access 97. Does anybody have an ancient version of Access 97 they can test
> this on?>>
>
>    For A97 I got 752.
>
>    Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.
>
> Jim.
>
>

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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 13:14:02 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:14:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <003c01ccba8e$877313d0$96593b70$@net>
References: <CAMEw5yUzG7N8pUni_Ctc5X4hMAUiJB4+K_CJN55yhh0bdckLpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEw5yWMxuhVk-WrPZjyc=t0tEmOPaNNXQR-gPcz3XaW-e4Vfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201ccba17$579a35c0$06cea140$@gmail.com>
	<000001ccba77$f6c10060$e4430120$@net>
	<CAH+Met_Y-sxj+VV4RpOfmYCqpk=37H7=+Ryttw0EDpKjyJCahA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003c01ccba8e$877313d0$96593b70$@net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8Kup9S9LvuWNDxisRSZdv3WOeFCnBgE48JqQc7+KbpUg@mail.gmail.com>

I meant specifically name the controls instead of accepting the defaults,
which are less than useless anyhow.  And that includes the attached labels
and page breaks and all the other items you put on there.  I always named
them at creation to make it easier to untangle later, so I never ran into
issues with default names.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> You mean RENAME, right ? Every control has a name property by default.
> i.e. there are no unnamed controls.
>
> > You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the
> > first place.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
>
>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 14:23:35 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:23:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUoB0st0O1OF7cZGHgefEhOx2vwsS0hscwRmiBOgGtBcg@mail.gmail.com>

> Jim Dettman:
> <<Ken Ismert: So, I still think my theory stands -- but the numbers are
> correct only for Access 97.>>
>
>  For A97 I got 752.
>
>  Still would like to know how it even started out as 754.
>

I think the simplest explanation is A97 allowed 1024 controls. Subtract 255
'AccessField' controls (for the maximum fields in a query), and you get
769.

That leaves 753 'user' controls and 16 'reserved' controls, things like
RecordSelectors, DataSheet support, Record Navigation, the default Detail
section, etc.

But, on some service pack of Access 2000, the counter limit was raised to
16 bits, or even 32 bits.

Supporting 4 billion controls was just silly, so they just picked an
arbitrary limit of 800, and kept raising that over time.

 What I'd really like to see happen is those test numbers change a bit on
> the same machine or between machines.  That would really imply that it's
> related to memory management.  A hard coded limit or a limit based on the
> storage method would always be consistent no matter when or where checked.


Well, AccessD community, test away!

Is the limit truly fixed for each version, or does it change? The results
will be interesting.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 14:46:02 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:46:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a
> new
> form and renaming the form suffice?
>

Because you also have to manually duplicate all of the form properties,
which don't copy over automatically.

For example, if your form allows datasheets, all the column width settings
will be reset to their defaults.

Further, the copy-and-paste approach can mess up subtle things like display
order, so controls that show up on the original won't be visible on the
copy.

Thus, if all you need to do is reset the count, I recommend my method,
because the whole form gets copied, leaving no surprises.

Charlotte Foust:
> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
> place.
>

Giving controls meaningful names is best practice. But that doesn't reset
the counter.

Try modifying Jim's code to give each control a non-default name before the
next is created. The limit didn't change for me.

-Ken


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 14 15:28:18 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:28:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE914F2.4020404@colbyconsulting.com>

Good points Ken.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/14/2011 3:46 PM, Kenneth Ismert wrote:
>>
>> William Benson:
>> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to a
>> new
>> form and renaming the form suffice?
>>
>
> Because you also have to manually duplicate all of the form properties,
> which don't copy over automatically.
>
> For example, if your form allows datasheets, all the column width settings
> will be reset to their defaults.
>
> Further, the copy-and-paste approach can mess up subtle things like display
> order, so controls that show up on the original won't be visible on the
> copy.
>
> Thus, if all you need to do is reset the count, I recommend my method,
> because the whole form gets copied, leaving no surprises.
>
> Charlotte Foust:
>> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
>> place.
>>
>
> Giving controls meaningful names is best practice. But that doesn't reset
> the counter.
>
> Try modifying Jim's code to give each control a non-default name before the
> next is created. The limit didn't change for me.
>
> -Ken



From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 15:55:22 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:55:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yWq91xS1Oz2xJZJJCJzS1d7J=JSdrY1BZKJsgbEfubzKw@mail.gmail.com>

All,

I just tried another experiment:

1. In Access 2000 or later, call TestControlLifetimeLimit below (a
modification of Jim's code) to populate form controls to their limit

2. Delete some or all of the highest-numbered controls

3. Call TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)) to populate more controls.

What I found is that as long as you delete the highest-numbered controls,
the counter limit isn't enforced. I ran this until the counter got up to
17213!

Can others duplicate this?

So, my new theory is that, for some service pack of Office 2000, this got
sort-of fixed. (I recall running into this problem a decade ago in an early
release of 2000).

The maximum control limit is enforced, but the counter will keep going up,
as long as you delete some of the higher-order controls.

However, the 754-control limit will persist for forms & reports imported
from Access 97. This is why the 'rebuild from scratch' is required to
totally cure the problem in very old projects. There is simply no other way
to keep the form from inheriting the old A97 behavior.

Code:

Public Sub TestControlLifetimeLimit(Optional ByVal rObj As Object = Nothing)

    Dim rFrm As Access.Form
    Dim rText As Control
    Dim rLabel As Control
    Dim i As Integer

    On Error GoTo HandleErr

    If rObj Is Nothing Then
        Set rFrm = CreateForm()
        rFrm.HasModule = True
    ElseIf TypeOf rObj Is Access.Form Then
        Set rFrm = rObj
    ElseIf TypeOf rObj Is Access.Controls Then
        Set rFrm = rObj.Parent
    Else
        Exit Sub
    End If

    i = rFrm.Controls.Count
    Do
        Set rText = CreateControl(rFrm.Name, acTextBox, acDetail, , , (i
Mod 100) * 100, (i \ 100) * 400, 200, 200)
        Set rLabel = CreateControl(rFrm.Name, acLabel, , rText.Name, "", (i
Mod 100) * 100 + 50, (i \ 100) * 400, 200, 200)
        i = i + 1
    Loop While i < 2000

ExitHere:
    Debug.Print "Control  Count: " & rFrm.Controls.Count
    Exit Sub

HandleErr:
    Debug.Print "Error: " & Err.Number & vbCrLf & Err.Description & vbCrLf
& Err.Source
    GoTo ExitHere
End Sub

-Ken


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec 14 16:36:08 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:36:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXfYoW3zGJjjoRuA+fyYjx9Q1Tyv3qqSrU_manS4bc-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560147A@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Aaaah, those are good points.  In the past virtually all my forms are unbound and I rarely used datasheet view - although in my current role I do a lot more.  Mind you in this role performance trumps elegance so it doesn't matter if the form looks a bit scrappy as I, or the immediate team, are the only users.  And we know how to fix it if something goes *splat*.  Thanks for shedding some light onto this.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2011 7:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Advice on A2010....

>
> William Benson:
> If rebuilding the form completely, why doesn't copying the controls to 
> a new form and renaming the form suffice?
>

Because you also have to manually duplicate all of the form properties,
which don't copy over automatically.

For example, if your form allows datasheets, all the column width settings
will be reset to their defaults.

Further, the copy-and-paste approach can mess up subtle things like display
order, so controls that show up on the original won't be visible on the
copy.

Thus, if all you need to do is reset the count, I recommend my method,
because the whole form gets copied, leaving no surprises.

Charlotte Foust:
> You avoid that issue entirely if you name all your controls in the first
> place.
>

Giving controls meaningful names is best practice. But that doesn't reset
the counter.

Try modifying Jim's code to give each control a non-default name before the
next is created. The limit didn't change for me.

-Ken
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From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 17:10:38 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:10:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 20:12:16 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:12:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601ccbace$f819ee20$e84dca60$@gmail.com>

And how do you recommend deleting *precisely* the first 400 controls?;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:11 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit
the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 06:47:16 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:47:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
Message-ID: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>

I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I don't know xyz, but I 
often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a circle somehow.

I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from Facebook...

You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to do something bad to my 
computer.

I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running scripts in firefox 
which just saved my bacon.

It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful and I still got suckered. 
  Only my safeguards saved me.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 07:09:27 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:09:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, I don't accept friends I don't know on FB.  There are scams out there
that are VERY sophisticated!

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I
> don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a
> circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
> do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
> and I still got suckered.  Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>
>


From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec 15 07:12:35 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:12:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001401ccbb2b$366c0b20$a3442160$@comcast.net>

Facebook?  What's Facebook?  I have work to do!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Yep, I don't accept friends I don't know on FB.  There are scams out there
that are VERY sophisticated!

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
> out in a circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
> page to do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
> careful and I still got suckered.  Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://database
> advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 07:59:23 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:59:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <22B9B17F85FA41CF9E3DA333A1EADC84@SusanHarkins>

I turned my facebook messaging off -- if anything comes to my inbox like 
that, I totally ignore it. No question, I know it's not legit.

Susan H.


>I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I 
>don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a 
>circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to 
> do something bad to my computer.



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 08:10:53 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:10:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001ccbb33$5ba3cf10$12eb6d30$@gmail.com>

Was it mentioned that the control count hits 1040 before erroring out in
Access 2010:

Microsoft Access can't create any more controls on this form or report.
Database13
Control  Count: 1040


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:11 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit
the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 08:14:39 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:14:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
References: <CAMEw5yVu9YZPjOCLUuLqv_2x+rthRZy96BfH4mHYyVf+1pZK0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003101ccbb33$e2c18000$a8448000$@gmail.com>

Uh, yes it was, thanks Jim D. on Dec 13.

-----Original Message-----
From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Was it mentioned that the control count hits 1040 before erroring out in
Access 2010:

Microsoft Access can't create any more controls on this form or report.
Database13
Control  Count: 1040


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:11 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on
A2010....)

Try this:

1. Use TestControlLifetimeLimit() to fully populate a form.

2. Save as "Form1"

3. Delete the FIRST 400 controls.

4. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)). Note that it can't add any more
controls.

5. Close the form. Run these commands:
     application.saveastext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"
     application.loadfromtext acForm, "Form1", currentproject.Path & "\" &
"Form_Form1"

6. Design the form. Run TestControlLifetimeLimit(Forms(0)).

Here I predict two things:
A. This will fail for Access 97 forms, even those imported into a later
version of Access. This is the classical 'lifetime limit' error.
B. This will succeed for forms created in A2K or later.

So, for the authors of EatBloat, I would modify their documentation to say:

For Forms & Reports created in Access 2000 or later:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will reset the control count, allowing you to add
> more controls up to the version control limit.
> For Forms & Reports created in Access 97 or earlier:
> SaveAsText/LoadFromText will NOT reset the control count. You must edit
the
> ItemSuffix attribute in the text file (and possibly rename controls) to
> reset the control count. This behavior will persist, even if the form is
> imported into a later version of Access.
>

-Ken
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 08:18:06 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:18:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>

Whew!  Glad your safeguards protected you. I had a virus creep in a
year or so back. I know I messed up and did something I knew I
shouldn't have. Took me about 10 hours of messing around to get it
back the way it was. It became a quest to defeat the b at st@rds that did
it to me though.

GK

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook. ?I
> don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a
> circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link... ?It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
> do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running
> scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though. ?I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
> and I still got suckered. ?Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Dec 15 09:39:36 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:39:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <21D3D45A0B814AEAACDE39A52483D58D@XPS>


 Really scary I know...some of the stuff is getting pretty darn good.

 Almost got bit last year.  E-mail came in telling me I had a problem with
something, which by coincidence I had just done the previous day and it
looked legit.  Clicked without thinking and Trend saved my butt.  After the
blocked page message came up, it was only then that I realized I should not
be getting an e-mail like that. That was too close for comfort<g>

 And here I am the one telling everybody "Don't click on anything in an
e-mail" and absolutely know better then not to.

  Part of the problem is though, there are still people sending e-mails
(valid ones) with links in them (NY's Easy pass comes to mind).

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 07:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  I
don't know xyz, but I 
often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a circle somehow.

I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
Facebook...

You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
do something bad to my 
computer.

I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running
scripts in firefox 
which just saved my bacon.

It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
and I still got suckered. 
  Only my safeguards saved me.

-- 
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Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 10:02:21 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:02:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <22B9B17F85FA41CF9E3DA333A1EADC84@SusanHarkins>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<22B9B17F85FA41CF9E3DA333A1EADC84@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <4EEA1A0D.2020109@colbyconsulting.com>

 >> I turned my facebook messaging off

LOL, I discovered that Facebook had "opted me in" to a TON of crap that they were sending.  Of 
course I went in and disabled it but it is truly annoying that they would do that, and it raises the 
question - am I opted in to whatever they may decide I really should be receiving in the future? 
Where do these companies get off deciding that they can send me crap I didn't ask for?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/15/2011 8:59 AM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> I turned my facebook messaging off -- if anything comes to my inbox like that, I totally ignore it.
> No question, I know it's not legit.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook. I don't know xyz, but I
>> often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link... It *looked* just like those things from Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to do something bad to my
>> computer.
>



From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Dec 15 10:05:08 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:05:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the past.

Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main" PC that I use for work purposes.

Use an iPad for "web surfing"
Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one
Use Microsoft Security Essentials (free) 

Brad
   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thu 12/15/2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
 
Whew!  Glad your safeguards protected you. I had a virus creep in a
year or so back. I know I messed up and did something I knew I
shouldn't have. Took me about 10 hours of messing around to get it
back the way it was. It became a quest to defeat the b at st@rds that did
it to me though.

GK

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook. ?I
> don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out in a
> circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link... ?It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page to
> do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent running
> scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though. ?I *know* about this stuff, I am very careful
> and I still got suckered. ?Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From kathryn at bassett.net  Thu Dec 15 13:35:47 2011
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:35:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>

I'm fortunate! I've never ended up with a virus and I've been online since
the beginning. Now my husband, on the other hand... I'm glad he's got his
own computer.
--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the
> past.
> 
> Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main"
> PC that I use for work purposes.
> 
> Use an iPad for "web surfing"
> Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one Use
> Microsoft Security Essentials (free)
> 
> Brad




From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Dec 15 14:32:54 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:32:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
Message-ID: <ACD2F5E2-6C6C-471A-9112-4F20EFDE6270@phulse.com>

I think the last time I had a virus, it was a boot sector virus from an infected floppy via the sneakernet.

Saying that, viruses are so advanced these days that, just because you think you are clean, you could still very well be infected by something on a root kit level. The truth is, as soon as you spot an infection, you cannot trust your pc anymore even if your antivirus claims to have cleaned your machine. The only thing to do is format your machine completely and reinstall.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2011-12-15, at 11:35 AM, "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net> wrote:

> I'm fortunate! I've never ended up with a virus and I've been online since
> the beginning. Now my husband, on the other hand... I'm glad he's got his
> own computer.
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net   
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:05 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>> 
>> I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the
>> past.
>> 
>> Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main"
>> PC that I use for work purposes.
>> 
>> Use an iPad for "web surfing"
>> Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one Use
>> Microsoft Security Essentials (free)
>> 
>> Brad
> 
> 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:05:30 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:05:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>

I had one for the first time earlier this year.  I still haven't figured
out where it came from,  but it was the joke virus, so it didn't do any
actual damage just slowed my machine down.  I switched to Vipre Internet
Security after that, since it was the only thing I found that actually
removed it.

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net>wrote:

> I'm fortunate! I've never ended up with a virus and I've been online since
> the beginning. Now my husband, on the other hand... I'm glad he's got his
> own computer.
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:05 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> >
> > I would guess that almost everyone has been burned by a virus in the
> > past.
> >
> > Here are some things that I have done to reduce the risk on the "main"
> > PC that I use for work purposes.
> >
> > Use an iPad for "web surfing"
> > Have multiple PCs so that the teenagers don't use the "main" one Use
> > Microsoft Security Essentials (free)
> >
> > Brad
>
>
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>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:33:22 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:33:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>

Further to Hans's message (this learned the hard way)... Next time you buy
or rebuild a machine, install all essential software (just the really core
stuff, your choices may vary), and nothing else. As soon as you've done
that, create a rescue disc (CD might be enough, more likely single-layer
DVD, possibly dual-layer DVD), so that everything essential can be
recovered in one swoop. In my case, this includes such utils as NoteTab,
winRAR and others, Office 2010 and SQL Server, which I deem essential;
that's a pretty big footprint, granted, but that's the essential house. It
all fits on a single DVD, and that makes it drop-dead simple to fix it all
in the ugly event of a disk-crash, etc.

I've been to Hell and back too many times to list. Finally I have a
procedure that works. It doesn't do everything, but it puts me back on
solid-footing with a couple of clicks. I can't afford TB-sized backups so I
make do with my humble means, but it works.

A.


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Dec 15 15:37:20 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:37:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole thing in just over an hour.

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Further to Hans's message (this learned the hard way)... Next time you buy or rebuild a machine, install all essential software (just the really core stuff, your choices may vary), and nothing else. As soon as you've done that, create a rescue disc (CD might be enough, more likely single-layer DVD, possibly dual-layer DVD), so that everything essential can be recovered in one swoop. In my case, this includes such utils as NoteTab, winRAR and others, Office 2010 and SQL Server, which I deem essential; that's a pretty big footprint, granted, but that's the essential house. It all fits on a single DVD, and that makes it drop-dead simple to fix it all in the ugly event of a disk-crash, etc.

I've been to Hell and back too many times to list. Finally I have a procedure that works. It doesn't do everything, but it puts me back on solid-footing with a couple of clicks. I can't afford TB-sized backups so I make do with my humble means, but it works.

A.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 15:37:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:37:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries, References and some subtleties to be considered
Message-ID: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>

I use libraries - MDAs - to hold common code, variables and constants.  Libraries are essentially 
places to put common code so that many different applications can do things the same way.  If a bug 
is found it can be fixed in the library, in just one place.

It is possible for a lib to reference another lib.  For example my C2DbFW3G understands and uses my 
Presentation Level Security System and so it references C2DbPLSS.  However C2DbPLSS is a standalone 
library, i.e. it can be used without my FW3G.  Should I have just merged the two into one big lib? 
That is a conversation for another day.

While on this subject, two more things.  There can be no circular references between libs, i.e. FW3G 
cannot reference PLSS *and* PLSS also reference FW3G.  Any lib can reference another lib but the 
reference can never "circle back around".  Additionally the order of reference comes into play if 
there are two functions, classes, variables etc with the same name.  We all understand the scope 
thing (local function, module, global) but the same issue exists in libraries in that if a name is 
not found in the local container the compiler starts looking at other referenced objects, starting 
from the top reference in the references dialog and working down.

This can cause oddities if we have a function (for example) with the same name found in the 
application and the library.  Code in the application will use the function inside of the 
application container, whereas code in the library will use the function in the library container. 
If you use libraries and you write a function and move it to the library, do not forget to delete 
the function from the application or you will have problems.

I have two main libraries, C2DbFW3G which is the 3rd generation of my framework, and C2DbPLSS which 
is my Presentation Level Security System.

Having an application reference a library causes some issues shall we say which do not exist if you 
do not use them, and I just thought I would walk through my findings and how I handle things in 
order to start a conversation on the subject.

Some tidbits in no particular order.

When the developer references a library they do so via a browse button and so the reference ends up 
specific to a location available from the developer's machine.  This implies that the location may 
or may not be available to another user opening the application.

When the application opens, it tries to find the file at the location specified in the existing 
reference.  If found it uses that copy of the library, no questions asked.

If the library cannot be found at that referenced location then the application silently begins to 
search a set of paths to find the library.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824255

If the library is found the search immediately ceases and the reference is "fixed up" to point to 
that location.  When the application closes it saves that new reference location.  So the 
application has been silently "re-referenced" to the new location.  When I say silently, I mean that 
there is no immediate in-your-face indication that any of this happened.

This silent re-reference can cause odd problems.  Let's take some real life scenarios that I 
encounter at my client.

I have a directory on my C: drive at the client called C:\Dev\DisNew\  This path, in particular the 
Dev\ part, is unique to my machine (standing for development).  I build a framework and an 
application in this location.  I reference the lib from the application, browsing to that location 
and voila, the reference points to a library in a location that does not physically exist anywhere 
else in the company.

I copy the two files up to X:\DisNew\Test which is the production (X:\DisNew) test directory.  the 
user has a batch file which builds a directory on their local C: drive, copies the library and 
application to that local directory and opens the application.  The application tries to find the 
lib at my dev directory and fails, so it tries to find it in the local directory and succeeds.  Life 
is good.

Now... I go into the X:\Disnew\Tester directory and open the application file.  Guess what happens? 
  The application opens and tests the reference and... finds it because it can see my dev path.  The 
file works.  Life is good, nothing changes.

A user goes into the X:\DisNew\Tester directory and opens the application file and ... the 
application cannot find my dev directory so it starts "the search".  It finds the library in the 
X:\DisNew\Test directory and re-references and the application works.  Now when the user closes the 
file... the file is referenced to the lib on the network.  Life is no longer good!

Now we decide that the application file tests good and copy it to production where it is copied, 
along with the lib down to the user's hard disk.  The user opens the copy on their hard disk and... 
the application is referenced to the lib on the network (test directory) and so it opens the lib on 
the network.  Now I am trying to copy a new version of the lib to tester and the file is locked.  Or 
something.  Life is not good.

Let's discuss decompile for a minute.  Decompile flushes the pcode buffers in the Access container, 
which, simply put, means that all of the "compiled" code is flushed out.  Yes I understand that 
Access is an interpreter but it actually compiles the English (VBA) language stuff we write into 
P-Code and interprets the P-Code.  The compile of the Decompile / Compile matched pair simply 
recompiles every single line of VBA code into P-Code and stuffs it back into the buffers.

When you perform a decompile / compile, you *REALLY* need to decompile / compile the library first, 
then the application using the application.  I don't understand all of the stuff but apparently 
there is a table of pointers built by the compile, things like the entry point to functions and the 
locations of constant and variables.  Apparently when you compile the application, it goes out and 
searches the library for these tables in order to correctly call functions and variables in the library.

But why do we do a decompile / compile in the first place?  Because it is possible and in fact not 
uncommon, for the P-Code to get corrupted over time.  If the lib is corrupted and you recompile the 
app, then the app calls into corrupted lib stuff.  So, decompile / compile the lib *before* you 
decompile the application that references the lib.  And if you decompile / compile the lib, then you 
must must *must* recompile the app because the lib entry points and variables might change.

Guess what?  If you happen to get confused and decompile / compile anything on a network share... it 
may (or may not) cause weird things like the app refusing to close.  So never never *never* 
decompile / compile anything that is not local to your hard disk.

Unfortunately the simple fact that FW3G references the PLSS does not expose the PLSS on through to 
the application.  So C2DbFW3G references C2DbPLSS and the application references C2DbPLSS *and* 
C2DbFW3G because it directly uses code in both.  Oh my goodness.  Now I have to decompile / compile 
the PLSS first, then the FW3G (because it references PLSS), and then the application (which directly 
references both libs).  All of this must be done on my local machine so as to avoid the "can't 
close" issue discussed above, and then copied to the final destination for public consumption.

Furthermore I need to make sure that I reference the PLSS in the FW3G to the DEV path on my local 
machine, and likewise reference PLSS and FW3G inside of the application to the dev path of my local 
machine.  Why?  Because that path is not public to the company and will trigger the re-reference 
when the user downloads all this stuff to their local machine.

But wait, there's more.  I have three different applications that use the PLSS and the framework. 
So if I decompile / compile the PLSS / FW3G, all of the applications that use these libs need to be 
recompiled.  Again, if I make changes to the libs, any app that I do not decompile will not 
reacquire the pointer tables in the libs and may start to fail.

And around and around we go.

I use batch files to copy these pieces to the user's system so that the user ends up with local 
copies and doesn't end up permanently re-referencing things back to the production location.  This 
works reasonably well as long as everyone plays by the rules.  If anyone (other than myself) 
actually opens any of these files up in tester or production, then the references silently change 
and things go south in a hurry.  It took me awhile to figure out that this was happening (a long 
time ago) and it took me awhile to remember that this occurs when I started having strange things 
happening recently.  That is the reason for starting this thread, to remind the list how this stuff 
works and to get input from other list members on their experiences with this stuff.

I am a believer in libraries to hold common code.  They exist for the simple reason that changes to 
that code, bug fixes etc can be done in one place and propagated to every place the change is 
needed.  It is important to understand what goes on behind the scenes however or you can have some 
strange things happening that will be very difficult to figure out.

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:49:44 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:49:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>

NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension
DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive
> to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole
> thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 15:48:44 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:48:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <4EEA6B3C.8070309@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, an image immediately after doing all of the install / patch stuff, then another periodically.

I have to tell you though, things like DropMyRights and noScript goes a long ways towards thwarting 
the bad guys.  Sand boxes really do work well.  running all Web facing apps in a sandbox prevents 
the nasties from doing bad stuff.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/15/2011 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:33 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> Further to Hans's message (this learned the hard way)... Next time you buy or rebuild a machine, install all essential software (just the really core stuff, your choices may vary), and nothing else. As soon as you've done that, create a rescue disc (CD might be enough, more likely single-layer DVD, possibly dual-layer DVD), so that everything essential can be recovered in one swoop. In my case, this includes such utils as NoteTab, winRAR and others, Office 2010 and SQL Server, which I deem essential; that's a pretty big footprint, granted, but that's the essential house. It all fits on a single DVD, and that makes it drop-dead simple to fix it all in the ugly event of a disk-crash, etc.
>
> I've been to Hell and back too many times to list. Finally I have a procedure that works. It doesn't do everything, but it puts me back on solid-footing with a couple of clicks. I can't afford TB-sized backups so I make do with my humble means, but it works.
>
> A.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:55:36 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:55:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EEA6B3C.8070309@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4EEA6B3C.8070309@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g-3WpVgc043P=2BuDpGRMSffELy7b6kRGFUJV-O1mNaw@mail.gmail.com>

Hearty agreement on that! I run a few VMs (not all at once, given my meager
4GB of RAM), and have come to the conclusion that it's always the safest
path to create a new VM prior to installing anything new; run it there and
see what explodes; end result is the VM explodes and the rest of my baby is
intact.

A.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:48 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> Yep, an image immediately after doing all of the install / patch stuff,
> then another periodically.
>
> I have to tell you though, things like DropMyRights and noScript goes a
> long ways towards thwarting the bad guys.  Sand boxes really do work well.
>  running all Web facing apps in a sandbox prevents the nasties from doing
> bad stuff.
>
>


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Dec 15 16:11:30 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:11:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

DriveImageXML is free for personal use, Arthur. Only $69 for commercial use too. http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm 

????*??.?*.???.*???*??.?*.???.*?Merry*?* ?*?.
??_??_*.?*./ ? \ .?* .??.?.*.?* Christmas*? ?*
?. (?? ??)*.?*/?.?\*?.* ?_?_____.?Everyone ? ?* ?*
.?( . ? . ) ??./? '? ' ?\.?*./______/~?*. ?*.??* ?.*?
*(...'?'.. ) *????????.??? ????????*? .? ...
 
Lambert



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot 
> drive to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore 
> the whole thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 16:21:01 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:21:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit (Was: Advice on A2010....)
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yUeaNJS_LwN8HdKY=VA9ZUep0frCapSoRJ6X_UWG0L-oA@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> And how do you recommend deleting *precisely* the first 400 controls?;-)
>

I tweaked Jim's code so the controls display in four rows of 200 each.

So it is easy to highlight the first two rows of controls, and delete them.


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 15 16:21:26 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:21:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met9reiBddPRGJvhj62gYvCd0FAHPZbuM7ph3Os-t5MFUqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560181C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all - even so I get scammer emails saying "X has commented on your photo" or "Y wants to be your friend" click on the link blah blah - not having a FB profile saves me a lot of time and bother.

Mind you, only yesterday I did have someone pop up on yahoo msgnr on a profile of someone I hadn't spoken to in years wanting me to click on a link so I could apply for a free Apple computer or product - apparently Apple are giving away product in honour of Steve Jobs.  Yeah... right....   "Delete!".

I was lucky as that one was clearly a scam.

That said, I think John has a great point - you really can't be too careful and even the experienced and knowledgeable can get caught out.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, 16 December 2011 12:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Yep, I don't accept friends I don't know on FB.  There are scams out there that are VERY sophisticated!

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:47 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.  
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
> out in a circle somehow.
>
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
>
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
> page to do something bad to my computer.
>
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
> careful and I still got suckered.  Only my safeguards saved me.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 16:22:00 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:22:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j3JtX4BAAuofCqr0-R3MQEBXt2d7gzcynoUhQgKwsTWw@mail.gmail.com>

Wow that is some bitchin' Ascii composition. Bravo!

Arthur

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> DriveImageXML is free for personal use, Arthur. Only $69 for commercial
> use too. http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
>
> ????*??.?*.???.*???*??.?*.???.*?Merry*?* ?*?.
> ??_??_*.?*./ ? \ .?* .??.?.*.?* Christmas*? ?*
> ?. (?? ??)*.?*/?.?\*?.* ?_?_____.?Everyone ? ?* ?*
> .?( . ? . ) ??./? '? ' ?\.?*./______/~?*. ?*.??* ?.*?
> *(...'?'.. ) *????????.??? ????????*? .? ...
>
> Lambert
>
>
>

From hkotsch at arcor.de  Thu Dec 15 16:27:49 2011
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:27:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
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For private use DriveImage XML is free.

http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm


Two Versions of DriveImage XML are available:
Private Edition: Private home users are allowed to use the Private Edition
of DriveImage XML without charge. You are allowed to install DriveImage XML
on your home PC. You must not use DriveImage XML commercially. No support is
provided for the Private Edition.

Helmut



-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur
Fuller
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2011 22:50
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya


NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension
DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive
> to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole
> thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>
--
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Thu Dec 15 16:35:45 2011
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:35:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBEECAIMAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

For private use DriveImage XML is free.

http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm


Two Versions of DriveImage XML are available:
Private Edition: Private home users are allowed to use the Private Edition
of DriveImage XML without charge. You are allowed to install DriveImage XML
on your home PC. You must not use DriveImage XML commercially. No support is
provided for the Private Edition.

Helmut


-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur
Fuller
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2011 22:50
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya


NIce. Fancier than my solution. Unfortunately, on my meager pension
DriveImage is out of the question. But a nice thought.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Heenan, Lambert <
Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> Which is exactly why I use DriveImageXML. I backup my complete boot drive
> to a different drive every now and then. I find I can restore the whole
> thing in just over an hour.
>
> Lambert
>
>
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec 15 16:40:25 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:40:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>

Yes - Library referencing can be a pain.

At my customers each client has a shortcut which points to an AutoUpdater
file.  The AutoUpdater file will check to see if the Main and Library files
on the client are older than the files on the server.  If so, it will copy
those files up to the client in the same folder.

But here's the problem - the main file on the client will still reference
the library file on the server.  The way I get around that is to leave the
library file on the server with an XX in the name - that way the main file
on the client can't find it so it re-references to the library file on the
client (they're in the same folder).

When the autoupdater file does its thing, it compares modified dates between
Library.mdb on the client and LibraryXX.mdb on the server.  If the server
has the newer file, then autoupdater will copy and rename the LibraryXX.mdb
file on the server to Library.mdb on the client.

Another problem is that the Library.mdb file is renamed on the server (your
dev/test system), so you can't open it until you manually retype the name,
and then you have to remember to retype it back when you're done.  To solve
that I made a ChangeXX.mdb file.  It has an AutoExec macro which runs the
following code:

'------------------------
Public Function StartupChangeXX()
On Error GoTo EH

    Dim stg As String
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim blnAddXX As Boolean
    Dim stgXXFile As String
    Dim stgExtension As String
    Dim stgPrompt As String
    Dim blnNeedManualPrompt As Boolean
    Dim blnFoundAllClear As Boolean
    Dim blnFoundAllXX As Boolean
    Dim blnFirstLoopComplete As Boolean
    Dim stgSystemMode As String
    
    stgSystemMode = Command()
'    stgSystemMode = "Review"  '-- TEST
    
    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

    '-- Do the files exist?
    stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
        & " WHERE SystemMode = '" & stgSystemMode & "'"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
    Do While rst.EOF = False
    
        stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
        stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
& " XX ." & stgExtension
            
        If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = False And
fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = False Then
            MsgBox "The file " & rst("FileFullPath") & " does not exist!",
vbExclamation + vbOKOnly, "Missing File"
            rst.Close
            Set rst = Nothing
            Application.Quit
        End If
        
        rst.MoveNext
        
    Loop
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    
    
    '-- Are all files clear or all XX?
    stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
        & " WHERE SystemMode = '" & stgSystemMode & "'"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
    Do While rst.EOF = False
        
        If blnFirstLoopComplete = False Then
            If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
                blnFoundAllClear = True
                blnAddXX = True
            Else
                blnFoundAllClear = False
                blnAddXX = False
            End If
            blnFirstLoopComplete = True
        Else
            If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
                If blnFoundAllClear = False Then
                    blnNeedManualPrompt = True
                    Exit Do
                End If
            Else
                If blnFoundAllClear = True Then
                    blnNeedManualPrompt = True
                    Exit Do
                End If
            End If
        End If
            
        rst.MoveNext
        
    Loop
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    
    
    '-- Select to add XX or Remove XX
    If blnNeedManualPrompt = True Then
        stgPrompt = "Push Yes to add XX." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Push No to remove XX."
        If MsgBox(stgPrompt, vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton2,
"Change XX") = vbYes Then
            blnAddXX = True
        Else
            blnAddXX = False
        End If
    End If


    '-- Add or remove XX
    stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
        & " WHERE SystemMode = '" & stgSystemMode & "'"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
    Do While rst.EOF = False
    
        stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
        stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
& " XX ." & stgExtension
            
        If blnAddXX = True Then
        
            If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
                fso.CopyFile rst("FileFullPath"), stgXXFile, True
                fso.DeleteFile rst("FileFullPath")
            End If
            
        Else
        
            If fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = True Then
                fso.CopyFile stgXXFile, rst("FileFullPath"), True
                fso.DeleteFile stgXXFile
            End If
        
        End If
    
        rst.MoveNext
        
    Loop
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    
    
    If blnAddXX = True Then
        CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Added XX.", 1, "XX Change"
    Else
        CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Removed XX.", 1, "XX Change"
    End If
    
    Application.Quit

    Exit Function
    
EH:
    MsgBox "Error!" _
        & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
        & "Code: " & Err.Number & vbNewLine _
        & "Desc: " & Err.Description & vbNewLine _
        & "Line: " & Erl

End Function
'-----------------------

There is also a tblParameters which contains information about which actual
system I'm working on - I have three at each customer.  Prod, Test, and
Review.  The shortcut on the desktop which opens ChangeXX.mdb has a command
argument (like '/cmd Test') so the code will know which system it's supposed
to be working on.

Also, there is a popup message that stays open for 1 second to tell me
whether it added the XX or removed the XX, then ChangeXX.mdb quits.  

Just click the ChangeXX shortcut on the server's desktop until it says
'Added XX' or 'Removed XX', and you're done!

Hope this helps!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] libraries, References and some subtleties to be
considered

I use libraries - MDAs - to hold common code, variables and constants.
Libraries are essentially places to put common code so that many different
applications can do things the same way.  If a bug is found it can be fixed
in the library, in just one place.

It is possible for a lib to reference another lib.  For example my C2DbFW3G
understands and uses my Presentation Level Security System and so it
references C2DbPLSS.  However C2DbPLSS is a standalone library, i.e. it can
be used without my FW3G.  Should I have just merged the two into one big
lib? 
That is a conversation for another day.

While on this subject, two more things.  There can be no circular references
between libs, i.e. FW3G cannot reference PLSS *and* PLSS also reference
FW3G.  Any lib can reference another lib but the reference can never "circle
back around".  Additionally the order of reference comes into play if there
are two functions, classes, variables etc with the same name.  We all
understand the scope thing (local function, module, global) but the same
issue exists in libraries in that if a name is not found in the local
container the compiler starts looking at other referenced objects, starting
from the top reference in the references dialog and working down.

This can cause oddities if we have a function (for example) with the same
name found in the application and the library.  Code in the application will
use the function inside of the application container, whereas code in the
library will use the function in the library container. 
If you use libraries and you write a function and move it to the library, do
not forget to delete the function from the application or you will have
problems.

I have two main libraries, C2DbFW3G which is the 3rd generation of my
framework, and C2DbPLSS which is my Presentation Level Security System.

Having an application reference a library causes some issues shall we say
which do not exist if you do not use them, and I just thought I would walk
through my findings and how I handle things in order to start a conversation
on the subject.

Some tidbits in no particular order.

When the developer references a library they do so via a browse button and
so the reference ends up specific to a location available from the
developer's machine.  This implies that the location may or may not be
available to another user opening the application.

When the application opens, it tries to find the file at the location
specified in the existing reference.  If found it uses that copy of the
library, no questions asked.

If the library cannot be found at that referenced location then the
application silently begins to search a set of paths to find the library.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824255

If the library is found the search immediately ceases and the reference is
"fixed up" to point to that location.  When the application closes it saves
that new reference location.  So the application has been silently
"re-referenced" to the new location.  When I say silently, I mean that there
is no immediate in-your-face indication that any of this happened.

This silent re-reference can cause odd problems.  Let's take some real life
scenarios that I encounter at my client.

I have a directory on my C: drive at the client called C:\Dev\DisNew\  This
path, in particular the Dev\ part, is unique to my machine (standing for
development).  I build a framework and an application in this location.  I
reference the lib from the application, browsing to that location and voila,
the reference points to a library in a location that does not physically
exist anywhere else in the company.

I copy the two files up to X:\DisNew\Test which is the production
(X:\DisNew) test directory.  the user has a batch file which builds a
directory on their local C: drive, copies the library and application to
that local directory and opens the application.  The application tries to
find the lib at my dev directory and fails, so it tries to find it in the
local directory and succeeds.  Life is good.

Now... I go into the X:\Disnew\Tester directory and open the application
file.  Guess what happens? 
  The application opens and tests the reference and... finds it because it
can see my dev path.  The file works.  Life is good, nothing changes.

A user goes into the X:\DisNew\Tester directory and opens the application
file and ... the application cannot find my dev directory so it starts "the
search".  It finds the library in the X:\DisNew\Test directory and
re-references and the application works.  Now when the user closes the
file... the file is referenced to the lib on the network.  Life is no longer
good!

Now we decide that the application file tests good and copy it to production
where it is copied, along with the lib down to the user's hard disk.  The
user opens the copy on their hard disk and... 
the application is referenced to the lib on the network (test directory) and
so it opens the lib on the network.  Now I am trying to copy a new version
of the lib to tester and the file is locked.  Or something.  Life is not
good.

Let's discuss decompile for a minute.  Decompile flushes the pcode buffers
in the Access container, which, simply put, means that all of the "compiled"
code is flushed out.  Yes I understand that Access is an interpreter but it
actually compiles the English (VBA) language stuff we write into P-Code and
interprets the P-Code.  The compile of the Decompile / Compile matched pair
simply recompiles every single line of VBA code into P-Code and stuffs it
back into the buffers.

When you perform a decompile / compile, you *REALLY* need to decompile /
compile the library first, then the application using the application.  I
don't understand all of the stuff but apparently there is a table of
pointers built by the compile, things like the entry point to functions and
the locations of constant and variables.  Apparently when you compile the
application, it goes out and searches the library for these tables in order
to correctly call functions and variables in the library.

But why do we do a decompile / compile in the first place?  Because it is
possible and in fact not uncommon, for the P-Code to get corrupted over
time.  If the lib is corrupted and you recompile the app, then the app calls
into corrupted lib stuff.  So, decompile / compile the lib *before* you
decompile the application that references the lib.  And if you decompile /
compile the lib, then you must must *must* recompile the app because the lib
entry points and variables might change.

Guess what?  If you happen to get confused and decompile / compile anything
on a network share... it may (or may not) cause weird things like the app
refusing to close.  So never never *never* decompile / compile anything that
is not local to your hard disk.

Unfortunately the simple fact that FW3G references the PLSS does not expose
the PLSS on through to the application.  So C2DbFW3G references C2DbPLSS and
the application references C2DbPLSS *and* C2DbFW3G because it directly uses
code in both.  Oh my goodness.  Now I have to decompile / compile the PLSS
first, then the FW3G (because it references PLSS), and then the application
(which directly references both libs).  All of this must be done on my local
machine so as to avoid the "can't close" issue discussed above, and then
copied to the final destination for public consumption.

Furthermore I need to make sure that I reference the PLSS in the FW3G to the
DEV path on my local machine, and likewise reference PLSS and FW3G inside of
the application to the dev path of my local machine.  Why?  Because that
path is not public to the company and will trigger the re-reference when the
user downloads all this stuff to their local machine.

But wait, there's more.  I have three different applications that use the
PLSS and the framework. 
So if I decompile / compile the PLSS / FW3G, all of the applications that
use these libs need to be recompiled.  Again, if I make changes to the libs,
any app that I do not decompile will not reacquire the pointer tables in the
libs and may start to fail.


And around and around we go.

I use batch files to copy these pieces to the user's system so that the user
ends up with local copies and doesn't end up permanently re-referencing
things back to the production location.  This works reasonably well as long
as everyone plays by the rules.  If anyone (other than myself) actually
opens any of these files up in tester or production, then the references
silently change and things go south in a hurry.  It took me awhile to figure
out that this was happening (a long time ago) and it took me awhile to
remember that this occurs when I started having strange things happening
recently.  That is the reason for starting this thread, to remind the list
how this stuff works and to get input from other list members on their
experiences with this stuff.

I am a believer in libraries to hold common code.  They exist for the simple
reason that changes to that code, bug fixes etc can be done in one place and
propagated to every place the change is needed.  It is important to
understand what goes on behind the scenes however or you can have some
strange things happening that will be very difficult to figure out.

--
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 17:08:13 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:08:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Here is my proposal for how to best fix Form Control Limit problems:

Control Limits
===========
Access imposes limits on how may controls you can put on a form or report:
A97 - 753
A2000 - 800
A2002 - 894
A2007 - 1040
A2010 - 1040
Thanks to Jim Dettman for working out these limits.

If you try to add more controls than your version of Access allows, you
will see:
Error: 29053
<database> can't create any more controls on this form or report.

At this point, check the number of controls on the form:
? forms("Form1").Controls.Count

If that number is less than the stated limit, you can still add more
controls, but you have to reset the control counter. Here's how:

Access 2000 or Later
=================
If you CREATED the form in Access 2000 or later, follow these steps:
Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path & "\Form_Form1"
Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
"\Form_Form1"

This should reset your control list, allowing you to keep adding up to the
stated limit. Notes:
  * This is a lot easier than copying the controls to a new form, and
manually changing all form properties to match the old
  * EatBloat will also reset the counter for such forms, as it uses this
basic technique

Access 97
========
If the form was created in Access 97, and you imported it into a later
version, there is more work to do. Follow these steps:

1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
and 'text234'. This eliminates all possibility of name collisions.

2. In the Immediate window, count the number of controls:
? Forms("Form1").Controls.Count

2. Save the form as text:
Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
"\Form_Form1.txt"

3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
edit it to the number of controls +1:
ItemSuffix =128

4. Import the form using:
Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
"\Form_Form1.txt"

-Ken


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 18:09:39 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:09:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7k-PWi3EdjV2-Sf=2QVjFk+bZ9M=Srjed-9jqFWeJv+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Control name property is read only in runtime right? So for ac97 this a
manual find and rename operation?
On Dec 15, 2011 6:09 PM, "Kenneth Ismert" <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is my proposal for how to best fix Form Control Limit problems:
>
> Control Limits
> ===========
> Access imposes limits on how may controls you can put on a form or report:
> A97 - 753
> A2000 - 800
> A2002 - 894
> A2007 - 1040
> A2010 - 1040
> Thanks to Jim Dettman for working out these limits.
>
> If you try to add more controls than your version of Access allows, you
> will see:
> Error: 29053
> <database> can't create any more controls on this form or report.
>
> At this point, check the number of controls on the form:
> ? forms("Form1").Controls.Count
>
> If that number is less than the stated limit, you can still add more
> controls, but you have to reset the control counter. Here's how:
>
> Access 2000 or Later
> =================
> If you CREATED the form in Access 2000 or later, follow these steps:
> Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path & "\Form_Form1"
> Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\Form_Form1"
>
> This should reset your control list, allowing you to keep adding up to the
> stated limit. Notes:
>  * This is a lot easier than copying the controls to a new form, and
> manually changing all form properties to match the old
>  * EatBloat will also reset the counter for such forms, as it uses this
> basic technique
>
> Access 97
> ========
> If the form was created in Access 97, and you imported it into a later
> version, there is more work to do. Follow these steps:
>
> 1. Rename all form controls with a default numeric suffix, like 'label123'
> and 'text234'. This eliminates all possibility of name collisions.
>
> 2. In the Immediate window, count the number of controls:
> ? Forms("Form1").Controls.Count
>
> 2. Save the form as text:
> Application.SaveAsText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\Form_Form1.txt"
>
> 3. Edit "Form_frmFoo.txt" using a text editor. Find this attribute, and
> edit it to the number of controls +1:
> ItemSuffix =128
>
> 4. Import the form using:
> Application.LoadFromText acForm, "Form1", CurrentProject.Path &
> "\Form_Form1.txt"
>
> -Ken
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>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 15 20:50:39 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:50:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
	<006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks for those suggestions.  My methods are crude and I have always wanted to get a little more 
sophisticated.  I will have to spend a little time thinking about the suggestions you discuss.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/15/2011 5:40 PM, Dan Waters wrote:
> Yes - Library referencing can be a pain.
>
> At my customers each client has a shortcut which points to an AutoUpdater
> file.  The AutoUpdater file will check to see if the Main and Library files
> on the client are older than the files on the server.  If so, it will copy
> those files up to the client in the same folder.
>
> But here's the problem - the main file on the client will still reference
> the library file on the server.  The way I get around that is to leave the
> library file on the server with an XX in the name - that way the main file
> on the client can't find it so it re-references to the library file on the
> client (they're in the same folder).
>
> When the autoupdater file does its thing, it compares modified dates between
> Library.mdb on the client and LibraryXX.mdb on the server.  If the server
> has the newer file, then autoupdater will copy and rename the LibraryXX.mdb
> file on the server to Library.mdb on the client.
>
> Another problem is that the Library.mdb file is renamed on the server (your
> dev/test system), so you can't open it until you manually retype the name,
> and then you have to remember to retype it back when you're done.  To solve
> that I made a ChangeXX.mdb file.  It has an AutoExec macro which runs the
> following code:
>
> '------------------------
> Public Function StartupChangeXX()
> On Error GoTo EH
>
>      Dim stg As String
>      Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
>      Dim fso As FileSystemObject
>      Dim blnAddXX As Boolean
>      Dim stgXXFile As String
>      Dim stgExtension As String
>      Dim stgPrompt As String
>      Dim blnNeedManualPrompt As Boolean
>      Dim blnFoundAllClear As Boolean
>      Dim blnFoundAllXX As Boolean
>      Dim blnFirstLoopComplete As Boolean
>      Dim stgSystemMode As String
>
>      stgSystemMode = Command()
> '    stgSystemMode = "Review"  '-- TEST
>
>      Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
>      '-- Do the files exist?
>      stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
>          &  " WHERE SystemMode = '"&  stgSystemMode&  "'"
>      Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
>      Do While rst.EOF = False
>
>          stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
>          stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
> &  " XX ."&  stgExtension
>
>          If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = False And
> fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = False Then
>              MsgBox "The file "&  rst("FileFullPath")&  " does not exist!",
> vbExclamation + vbOKOnly, "Missing File"
>              rst.Close
>              Set rst = Nothing
>              Application.Quit
>          End If
>
>          rst.MoveNext
>
>      Loop
>      rst.Close
>      Set rst = Nothing
>
>
>      '-- Are all files clear or all XX?
>      stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
>          &  " WHERE SystemMode = '"&  stgSystemMode&  "'"
>      Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
>      Do While rst.EOF = False
>
>          If blnFirstLoopComplete = False Then
>              If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
>                  blnFoundAllClear = True
>                  blnAddXX = True
>              Else
>                  blnFoundAllClear = False
>                  blnAddXX = False
>              End If
>              blnFirstLoopComplete = True
>          Else
>              If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
>                  If blnFoundAllClear = False Then
>                      blnNeedManualPrompt = True
>                      Exit Do
>                  End If
>              Else
>                  If blnFoundAllClear = True Then
>                      blnNeedManualPrompt = True
>                      Exit Do
>                  End If
>              End If
>          End If
>
>          rst.MoveNext
>
>      Loop
>      rst.Close
>      Set rst = Nothing
>
>
>      '-- Select to add XX or Remove XX
>      If blnNeedManualPrompt = True Then
>          stgPrompt = "Push Yes to add XX." _
>              &  vbNewLine&  vbNewLine _
>              &  "Push No to remove XX."
>          If MsgBox(stgPrompt, vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton2,
> "Change XX") = vbYes Then
>              blnAddXX = True
>          Else
>              blnAddXX = False
>          End If
>      End If
>
>
>      '-- Add or remove XX
>      stg = "SELECT FileFullPath FROM tblParameters" _
>          &  " WHERE SystemMode = '"&  stgSystemMode&  "'"
>      Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenSnapshot)
>      Do While rst.EOF = False
>
>          stgExtension = fso.GetExtensionName(rst("FileFullPath"))
>          stgXXFile = Left(rst("FileFullPath"), Len(rst("FileFullPath")) - 4)
> &  " XX ."&  stgExtension
>
>          If blnAddXX = True Then
>
>              If fso.FileExists(rst("FileFullPath")) = True Then
>                  fso.CopyFile rst("FileFullPath"), stgXXFile, True
>                  fso.DeleteFile rst("FileFullPath")
>              End If
>
>          Else
>
>              If fso.FileExists(stgXXFile) = True Then
>                  fso.CopyFile stgXXFile, rst("FileFullPath"), True
>                  fso.DeleteFile stgXXFile
>              End If
>
>          End If
>
>          rst.MoveNext
>
>      Loop
>      rst.Close
>      Set rst = Nothing
>
>
>      If blnAddXX = True Then
>          CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Added XX.", 1, "XX Change"
>      Else
>          CreateObject("WScript.Shell").PopUp "Removed XX.", 1, "XX Change"
>      End If
>
>      Application.Quit
>
>      Exit Function
>
> EH:
>      MsgBox "Error!" _
>          &  vbNewLine&  vbNewLine _
>          &  "Code: "&  Err.Number&  vbNewLine _
>          &  "Desc: "&  Err.Description&  vbNewLine _
>          &  "Line: "&  Erl
>
> End Function
> '-----------------------
>
> There is also a tblParameters which contains information about which actual
> system I'm working on - I have three at each customer.  Prod, Test, and
> Review.  The shortcut on the desktop which opens ChangeXX.mdb has a command
> argument (like '/cmd Test') so the code will know which system it's supposed
> to be working on.
>
> Also, there is a popup message that stays open for 1 second to tell me
> whether it added the XX or removed the XX, then ChangeXX.mdb quits.
>
> Just click the ChangeXX shortcut on the server's desktop until it says
> 'Added XX' or 'Removed XX', and you're done!
>
> Hope this helps!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] libraries, References and some subtleties to be
> considered
>
> I use libraries - MDAs - to hold common code, variables and constants.
> Libraries are essentially places to put common code so that many different
> applications can do things the same way.  If a bug is found it can be fixed
> in the library, in just one place.
>
> It is possible for a lib to reference another lib.  For example my C2DbFW3G
> understands and uses my Presentation Level Security System and so it
> references C2DbPLSS.  However C2DbPLSS is a standalone library, i.e. it can
> be used without my FW3G.  Should I have just merged the two into one big
> lib?
> That is a conversation for another day.
>
> While on this subject, two more things.  There can be no circular references
> between libs, i.e. FW3G cannot reference PLSS *and* PLSS also reference
> FW3G.  Any lib can reference another lib but the reference can never "circle
> back around".  Additionally the order of reference comes into play if there
> are two functions, classes, variables etc with the same name.  We all
> understand the scope thing (local function, module, global) but the same
> issue exists in libraries in that if a name is not found in the local
> container the compiler starts looking at other referenced objects, starting
> from the top reference in the references dialog and working down.
>
> This can cause oddities if we have a function (for example) with the same
> name found in the application and the library.  Code in the application will
> use the function inside of the application container, whereas code in the
> library will use the function in the library container.
> If you use libraries and you write a function and move it to the library, do
> not forget to delete the function from the application or you will have
> problems.
>
> I have two main libraries, C2DbFW3G which is the 3rd generation of my
> framework, and C2DbPLSS which is my Presentation Level Security System.
>
> Having an application reference a library causes some issues shall we say
> which do not exist if you do not use them, and I just thought I would walk
> through my findings and how I handle things in order to start a conversation
> on the subject.
>
> Some tidbits in no particular order.
>
> When the developer references a library they do so via a browse button and
> so the reference ends up specific to a location available from the
> developer's machine.  This implies that the location may or may not be
> available to another user opening the application.
>
> When the application opens, it tries to find the file at the location
> specified in the existing reference.  If found it uses that copy of the
> library, no questions asked.
>
> If the library cannot be found at that referenced location then the
> application silently begins to search a set of paths to find the library.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824255
>
> If the library is found the search immediately ceases and the reference is
> "fixed up" to point to that location.  When the application closes it saves
> that new reference location.  So the application has been silently
> "re-referenced" to the new location.  When I say silently, I mean that there
> is no immediate in-your-face indication that any of this happened.
>
> This silent re-reference can cause odd problems.  Let's take some real life
> scenarios that I encounter at my client.
>
> I have a directory on my C: drive at the client called C:\Dev\DisNew\  This
> path, in particular the Dev\ part, is unique to my machine (standing for
> development).  I build a framework and an application in this location.  I
> reference the lib from the application, browsing to that location and voila,
> the reference points to a library in a location that does not physically
> exist anywhere else in the company.
>
> I copy the two files up to X:\DisNew\Test which is the production
> (X:\DisNew) test directory.  the user has a batch file which builds a
> directory on their local C: drive, copies the library and application to
> that local directory and opens the application.  The application tries to
> find the lib at my dev directory and fails, so it tries to find it in the
> local directory and succeeds.  Life is good.
>
> Now... I go into the X:\Disnew\Tester directory and open the application
> file.  Guess what happens?
>    The application opens and tests the reference and... finds it because it
> can see my dev path.  The file works.  Life is good, nothing changes.
>
> A user goes into the X:\DisNew\Tester directory and opens the application
> file and ... the application cannot find my dev directory so it starts "the
> search".  It finds the library in the X:\DisNew\Test directory and
> re-references and the application works.  Now when the user closes the
> file... the file is referenced to the lib on the network.  Life is no longer
> good!
>
> Now we decide that the application file tests good and copy it to production
> where it is copied, along with the lib down to the user's hard disk.  The
> user opens the copy on their hard disk and...
> the application is referenced to the lib on the network (test directory) and
> so it opens the lib on the network.  Now I am trying to copy a new version
> of the lib to tester and the file is locked.  Or something.  Life is not
> good.
>
> Let's discuss decompile for a minute.  Decompile flushes the pcode buffers
> in the Access container, which, simply put, means that all of the "compiled"
> code is flushed out.  Yes I understand that Access is an interpreter but it
> actually compiles the English (VBA) language stuff we write into P-Code and
> interprets the P-Code.  The compile of the Decompile / Compile matched pair
> simply recompiles every single line of VBA code into P-Code and stuffs it
> back into the buffers.
>
> When you perform a decompile / compile, you *REALLY* need to decompile /
> compile the library first, then the application using the application.  I
> don't understand all of the stuff but apparently there is a table of
> pointers built by the compile, things like the entry point to functions and
> the locations of constant and variables.  Apparently when you compile the
> application, it goes out and searches the library for these tables in order
> to correctly call functions and variables in the library.
>
> But why do we do a decompile / compile in the first place?  Because it is
> possible and in fact not uncommon, for the P-Code to get corrupted over
> time.  If the lib is corrupted and you recompile the app, then the app calls
> into corrupted lib stuff.  So, decompile / compile the lib *before* you
> decompile the application that references the lib.  And if you decompile /
> compile the lib, then you must must *must* recompile the app because the lib
> entry points and variables might change.
>
> Guess what?  If you happen to get confused and decompile / compile anything
> on a network share... it may (or may not) cause weird things like the app
> refusing to close.  So never never *never* decompile / compile anything that
> is not local to your hard disk.
>
> Unfortunately the simple fact that FW3G references the PLSS does not expose
> the PLSS on through to the application.  So C2DbFW3G references C2DbPLSS and
> the application references C2DbPLSS *and* C2DbFW3G because it directly uses
> code in both.  Oh my goodness.  Now I have to decompile / compile the PLSS
> first, then the FW3G (because it references PLSS), and then the application
> (which directly references both libs).  All of this must be done on my local
> machine so as to avoid the "can't close" issue discussed above, and then
> copied to the final destination for public consumption.
>
> Furthermore I need to make sure that I reference the PLSS in the FW3G to the
> DEV path on my local machine, and likewise reference PLSS and FW3G inside of
> the application to the dev path of my local machine.  Why?  Because that
> path is not public to the company and will trigger the re-reference when the
> user downloads all this stuff to their local machine.
>
> But wait, there's more.  I have three different applications that use the
> PLSS and the framework.
> So if I decompile / compile the PLSS / FW3G, all of the applications that
> use these libs need to be recompiled.  Again, if I make changes to the libs,
> any app that I do not decompile will not reacquire the pointer tables in the
> libs and may start to fail.
>
>
> And around and around we go.
>
> I use batch files to copy these pieces to the user's system so that the user
> ends up with local copies and doesn't end up permanently re-referencing
> things back to the production location.  This works reasonably well as long
> as everyone plays by the rules.  If anyone (other than myself) actually
> opens any of these files up in tester or production, then the references
> silently change and things go south in a hurry.  It took me awhile to figure
> out that this was happening (a long time ago) and it took me awhile to
> remember that this occurs when I started having strange things happening
> recently.  That is the reason for starting this thread, to remind the list
> how this stuff works and to get input from other list members on their
> experiences with this stuff.
>
> I am a believer in libraries to hold common code.  They exist for the simple
> reason that changes to that code, bug fixes etc can be done in one place and
> propagated to every place the change is needed.  It is important to
> understand what goes on behind the scenes however or you can have some
> strange things happening that will be very difficult to figure out.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
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>



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 16 06:30:35 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:30:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be	considered
Message-ID: <seeb4818.042@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I think you just won the prize of the year for the longest code-less post!

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 15-12-2011 22:37 >>>
I use libraries - <snip>




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 16 06:51:55 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:51:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
Message-ID: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>

Hi Darryl

Even if you don't, some sites you visit may link back to FB (Check for "like this" or similar).

If so and if you use WinXP and IE8, you may experience that whenever you open such site, Windows resource usage at once raises from the few percent in idle mode to about 30% because of services.exe doing something unknown - probably some phone-home-to-FB thingy. It may be so aggressive that it eats every second or third keystroke you do while IE8 has focus.

A method to kill this misbehaviour is to go to Options .. Security and add to the "dirty" (non-secure) list of sites:

  *.facebook.com

Bingo! Usage drops to a few percent.

/gustav

PS: I think we are 10 people.


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 15-12-2011 23:21 >>>
I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all - 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 16 06:50:32 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:50:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Browser Sandbox - Run any browser instantly from the web
Message-ID: <4EEB3E98.1040206@colbyconsulting.com>

I stumbled across this today.  I have Googled Spoon.net and it appears to be up and up, and netcraft 
gives them a "zero risk" rating.

http://codingstrategist.posterous.com/what-is-spoonnet
http://spoon.net/browsers

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec 16 07:53:51 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:53:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
	<006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
	<4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>

John - great post on your use of the libraries....very few developers do
this.
My question: what is the equivalent of an MDA in AC2007, AC2010 ? An ACCDA ?
Any advantage one way or the other ?
>
> Thanks for those suggestions.  My methods are crude and I have always
> wanted to get a little more
> sophisticated.  I will have to spend a little time thinking about the
> suggestions you discuss.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting




From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Dec 16 08:05:02 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:05:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j3JtX4BAAuofCqr0-R3MQEBXt2d7gzcynoUhQgKwsTWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJi=8VY-1DDZHpyFQ++xTvJeyB9szkLLNyc+odXVpPRBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C59FEAB3@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<011501ccbb60$bec27010$3c475030$@net>
	<CAH+Met8ZBaQmKnfnR=C9vNjnbVHsoAtQoTFckXo7-2P7AriFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV1fhKzJ9PqwuOv3vapaxAMDEuixQ4ZjLfsAXyN-etsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D2D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1jaJnbot2n5eNRHMTvwykmWd3rPUgVvOcD55Vdg+Mf_+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D31@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<CAEPJO1j3JtX4BAAuofCqr0-R3MQEBXt2d7gzcynoUhQgKwsTWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EAE56D79@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

I cannot claim any credit. I found it on one of the many ASCII Art sites out there, and of course I cannot locate the exact source now, but here's a good one...

http://www.ascii-art.de/

Lambert :-) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 5:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

Wow that is some bitchin' Ascii composition. Bravo!

Arthur

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Heenan, Lambert < Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com> wrote:

> DriveImageXML is free for personal use, Arthur. Only $69 for 
> commercial use too. http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
>
> ????*??.?*.???.*???*??.?*.???.*?Merry*?* ?*?.
> ??_??_*.?*./ ? \ .?* .??.?.*.?* Christmas*? ?*
> ?. (?? ??)*.?*/?.?\*?.* ?_?_____.?Everyone ? ?* ?* .?( . ? . ) ??./? 
> '? ' ?\.?*./______/~?*. ?*.??* ?.*?
> *(...'?'.. ) *????????.??? ????????*? .? ...
>
> Lambert
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 16 09:07:01 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:07:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be	considered
In-Reply-To: <seeb4818.042@cactus.dk>
References: <seeb4818.042@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4EEB5E95.1070606@colbyconsulting.com>

ROTFL.  It's a convoluted subject.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/16/2011 7:30 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi John
>
> I think you just won the prize of the year for the longest code-less post!
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 15-12-2011 22:37>>>
> I use libraries -<snip>
>
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 16 09:15:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:15:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>
	<006d01ccbb7a$89f8a600$9de9f200$@comcast.net>
	<4EEAB1FF.9040103@colbyconsulting.com>
	<005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>
Message-ID: <4EEB6097.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>

The extension .MDA is just a convention and really doesn't enforce anything.  The library can have 
an MDB, MDE or even XYZ and still be referenced and used.  I know because I just renamed one of my 
libraries to have an extension .XYZ and referenced it.

While I haven't done so I know that developers sometimes change the .MDB to .MyExt in order to 
obfuscate the fact that it an mdb file and try and keep people from opening it directly in Access. 
Access can in fact still open the file but you can no longer just double click it.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/16/2011 8:53 AM, Mark Simms wrote:
> John - great post on your use of the libraries....very few developers do
> this.
> My question: what is the equivalent of an MDA in AC2007, AC2010 ? An ACCDA ?
> Any advantage one way or the other ?
>>
>> Thanks for those suggestions.  My methods are crude and I have always
>> wanted to get a little more
>> sophisticated.  I will have to spend a little time thinking about the
>> suggestions you discuss.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>
>



From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 10:14:07 2011
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:14:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
Message-ID: <CAMEw5yVtD3T3+bXYkpscGdJHCZFwTpQLk0AhoUogVixkb1zujw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> William Benson:
> Control name property is read only in runtime right? So for ac97 this a
> manual find and rename operation?
>

You're correct, name is a design-time property.

You can fairly easily write code to rename controls with the form in design
view. For the purposes of Lifetime Control Limits, the names don't even
have to be meaningful, just different from the defaults.

But this code would have to:
 * Rename control references and event handlers in the form's module
 * Find and fix all control references in form and control property
expressions, as well as in underlying queries.
 * Find and fix control references in queries, forms, reports, macros and
modules outside of the form in question.

So, if you have to maintain a monster form that was created in A97, and are
running into control limit issues, the task of fixing it could be huge.

If that is the case, maybe its time to start from scratch with a simpler
solution that spreads functionality among a number of smaller forms.

-Ken


From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 12:19:22 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:19:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
In-Reply-To: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
References: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>

Facebook defaults to that kind of behavior but it can be turned off in FB.
I do NOT post my location, and that's part of what it's doing.

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Darryl
>
> Even if you don't, some sites you visit may link back to FB (Check for
> "like this" or similar).
>
> If so and if you use WinXP and IE8, you may experience that whenever you
> open such site, Windows resource usage at once raises from the few percent
> in idle mode to about 30% because of services.exe doing something unknown -
> probably some phone-home-to-FB thingy. It may be so aggressive that it eats
> every second or third keystroke you do while IE8 has focus.
>
> A method to kill this misbehaviour is to go to Options .. Security and add
> to the "dirty" (non-secure) list of sites:
>
>  *.facebook.com
>
>
>
> Bingo! Usage drops to a few percent.
>
> /gustav
>
> PS: I think we are 10 people.
>
>
> >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 15-12-2011 23:21 >>>
> I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all -
>
>
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>
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>
>
>


From john at winhaven.net  Fri Dec 16 12:34:21 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:34:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <022d01ccbc21$54100360$fc300a20$@winhaven.net>

Facebook makes its money from advertising. That's why it's free. They will
collect as much information from you as they can and they will use it. If
you want to prevent that as much as possible you need to go in and
thoroughly go through the settings and change them.



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 12:39:57 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:39:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
In-Reply-To: <022d01ccbc21$54100360$fc300a20$@winhaven.net>
References: <seeb4d0b.043@cactus.dk>
	<CAH+Met_=ap2an1h_mE0tcuQLEV+ig_u-Qnt2gUWNndPhs7cFHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<022d01ccbc21$54100360$fc300a20$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met9aDXrXwOnueCtGs+ix3akUXeayuX7D3SuDPvjGv6NCoA@mail.gmail.com>

Amen, John!

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:34 AM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Facebook makes its money from advertising. That's why it's free. They will
> collect as much information from you as they can and they will use it. If
> you want to prevent that as much as possible you need to go in and
> thoroughly go through the settings and change them.
>
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>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>


From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Dec 16 15:33:54 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:33:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip address
update client on my desktop that's on all the time.

www.opendns.com


Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out
in a circle somehow.

I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
Facebook...

You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page
to do something bad to my computer.

I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.

It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
careful and I still got suckered. 
  Only my safeguards saved me.

--
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec 16 16:35:31 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:35:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] libraries,
	References and some subtleties to be considered
In-Reply-To: <4EEB6097.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EEA6897.3030800@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<005001ccbbfa$251b5c70$6f521550$@net>,
	<4EEB6097.1080306@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EEBC7B3.9577.A21BA4E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I rename whenever I use an mdb as data storage for a PB application.

-- 
Stuart


On 16 Dec 2011 at 10:15, jwcolby wrote:

> While I haven't done so I know that developers sometimes change the .MDB to .MyExt in order to 
> obfuscate the fact that it an mdb file and try and keep people from opening it directly in Access. 
> Access can in fact still open the file but you can no longer just double click it.
> 




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 22:06:42 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:06:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yVtD3T3+bXYkpscGdJHCZFwTpQLk0AhoUogVixkb1zujw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yVtD3T3+bXYkpscGdJHCZFwTpQLk0AhoUogVixkb1zujw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4DvDibxsO8i2euUY1QrR2Wb07HKS7dKL8uGJS7VTR_5g@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone aware of some Addin or developer tool which takes care of all
those referencing issues when renaming controls? It would sure be a plus to
have something like that.

Maybe no way to fool proof it.

I agree about starting from scratch.
On Dec 16, 2011 11:16 AM, "Kenneth Ismert" <kismert at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > William Benson:
> > Control name property is read only in runtime right? So for ac97 this a
> > manual find and rename operation?
> >
>
> You're correct, name is a design-time property.
>
> You can fairly easily write code to rename controls with the form in design
> view. For the purposes of Lifetime Control Limits, the names don't even
> have to be meaningful, just different from the defaults.
>
> But this code would have to:
>  * Rename control references and event handlers in the form's module
>  * Find and fix all control references in form and control property
> expressions, as well as in underlying queries.
>  * Find and fix control references in queries, forms, reports, macros and
> modules outside of the form in question.
>
> So, if you have to maintain a monster form that was created in A97, and are
> running into control limit issues, the task of fixing it could be huge.
>
> If that is the case, maybe its time to start from scratch with a simpler
> solution that spreads functionality among a number of smaller forms.
>
> -Ken
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 22:09:45 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:09:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Lifetime Control Limit -- Final Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEw5yXa3UwuhNNDAYiKH+97WpSinYoZ3W+hMto+qvyVNM+OxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V74efEPGdcidaxiJyVAtpW6wFgDpYJpgP7HRyY1d9Mqwg@mail.gmail.com>

Would I be mistaken in guessing that EatBloat is a recommended preventive
maintenance?


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 17 04:08:40 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:08:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>

One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are any dns queries coming from malware on your network.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond" <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote:

> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip address
> update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
> 
> www.opendns.com
> 
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them out
> in a circle somehow.
> 
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
> Facebook...
> 
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a page
> to do something bad to my computer.
> 
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
> 
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
> careful and I still got suckered. 
>  Only my safeguards saved me.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> --
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> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
> corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review 
> by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient.
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 17 05:34:24 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:34:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Facebook IE8 bug (was: It just goes to show ya)
Message-ID: <seec8c65.067@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte and John

You missed that I wrote "whenever you open such site". That's all. No login is needed (or done).

This is a WinXP/IE8 combo issue. I don't see it with Vista/IE9.

/gustav


>>> charlotte.foust at gmail.com 16-12-2011 19:19 >>>
Facebook defaults to that kind of behavior but it can be turned off in FB.
I do NOT post my location, and that's part of what it's doing.

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Darryl
>
> Even if you don't, some sites you visit may link back to FB (Check for
> "like this" or similar).
>
> If so and if you use WinXP and IE8, you may experience that whenever you
> open such site, Windows resource usage at once raises from the few percent
> in idle mode to about 30% because of services.exe doing something unknown -
> probably some phone-home-to-FB thingy. It may be so aggressive that it eats
> every second or third keystroke you do while IE8 has focus.
>
> A method to kill this misbehaviour is to go to Options .. Security and add
> to the "dirty" (non-secure) list of sites:
>
>  *.facebook.com
>
>
>
> Bingo! Usage drops to a few percent.
>
> /gustav
>
> PS: I think we are 10 people.
>
>
> >>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 15-12-2011 23:21 >>>
> I am one of the 9 people on the planet who doesn't use FB at all -





From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Dec 17 08:12:50 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:12:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>

I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?

I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what it
was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.

I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are
any dns queries coming from malware on your network.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond" <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote:

> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's 
> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install 
> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip 
> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
> 
> www.opendns.com
> 
> 
> Rusty
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
> out in a circle somehow.
> 
> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
> Facebook...
> 
> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
> page to do something bad to my computer.
> 
> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
> 
> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
> careful and I still got suckered.
>  Only my safeguards saved me.
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
> corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or 
> review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient.
> **********************************************************************
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 17 09:06:21 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:06:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>

OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server takes names such as 
Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those 
"natural language" IP addresses and filters them against known attributes and makes a decision 
whether to perform the translation into a numeric IP address.

So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to OpenDNS, where I have set up my 
filters based on what I want to allow through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to 
filter out specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.

http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/

My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to surf to that site.  My 
son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent this issue and within minutes has discovered 
what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different Domain name server.  15 minutes 
later he is reading penthouse.

Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....

You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server such as OpenDNS, which is a 
much more secure implementation method.  The problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a 
specific DNS then it goes around the router.

But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and determined teenagers, a 
service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it is and what it does.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
> with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
> this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what it
> was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.
>
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are
> any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
>
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond"<rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>  wrote:
>
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
>> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
>> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip
>> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>>
>> www.opendns.com
>>
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them
>> out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
>> Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>>
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>>
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>>   Only my safeguards saved me.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> **********************************************************************
>> WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received,
>> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
>> corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or
>> review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient.
>> **********************************************************************
>>
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>
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>



From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Dec 17 09:13:42 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:13:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>

I have no doubt that the son of John Colby is very sophisticated, computer
literate, and determined!

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server
takes names such as Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address
www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those "natural language" IP addresses
and filters them against known attributes and makes a decision whether to
perform the translation into a numeric IP address.

So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to
OpenDNS, where I have set up my filters based on what I want to allow
through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to filter out
specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.

http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/

My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to
surf to that site.  My son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent
this issue and within minutes has discovered what is going on and has
locally set his system to use a different Domain name server.  15 minutes
later he is reading penthouse.

Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....

You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server
such as OpenDNS, which is a much more secure implementation method.  The
problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a specific DNS then it
goes around the router.

But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and
determined teenagers, a service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it
is and what it does.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different 
> customers with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue 
> with any of this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of 
> what it was actually doing, or even a general description of how it
worked.
>
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if 
> there are any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
>
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond"<rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>
wrote:
>
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  
>> It's free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to 
>> install filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns 
>> ip address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>>
>> www.opendns.com
>>
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
>> out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
>> Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>>
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>>
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>>   Only my safeguards saved me.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> *********************************************************************
>> *
>> WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, 
>> scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc.
>> corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or 
>> review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient.
>> *********************************************************************
>> *
>>
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>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 17 10:15:36 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:15:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EECC028.70600@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, he is getting that way.  ATM he is 10 years old, and that was just allegorical.

I am sure that you can have a lively discussion with Rocky about determined teenage boys though.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 10:13 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I have no doubt that the son of John Colby is very sophisticated, computer
> literate, and determined!
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server
> takes names such as Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address
> www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those "natural language" IP addresses
> and filters them against known attributes and makes a decision whether to
> perform the translation into a numeric IP address.
>
> So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to
> OpenDNS, where I have set up my filters based on what I want to allow
> through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to filter out
> specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.
>
> http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/
>
> My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to
> surf to that site.  My son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent
> this issue and within minutes has discovered what is going on and has
> locally set his system to use a different Domain name server.  15 minutes
> later he is reading penthouse.
>
> Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....
>
> You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server
> such as OpenDNS, which is a much more secure implementation method.  The
> problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a specific DNS then it
> goes around the router.
>
> But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and
> determined teenagers, a service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it
> is and what it does.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
>> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different
>> customers with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue
>> with any of this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>>
>> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of
>> what it was actually doing, or even a general description of how it
> worked.
>>
>> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>>
>> Dan



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 17 15:31:12 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:31:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>

OpenDNS basically just does the same thing your ISP does, in terms of telling your computer what public IP address (in other words, which public server(s)) are responsible for a given domain name. Your ISP normally provides this service and when you configure your router, it generally gives you those settings automatically, but there is no reason you can't use another provider (if you are a web developer/sys ops person such as myself, it is very useful to query different DNS servers around the world to see if there are problems with your configuration and how it is propagating around). It's just a matter of changing the IP address for DNS in your router or even just specific individual computers/networked devices.

What makes OpenDNS stand out is that they add additional features beyond just DNS resolution that you don't get from your ISP at all. Domain filtering, statistics, malware monitoring and phishing/malware filtering (on a DNS level) and so forth. The only thing they ask for in exchange is that you allow them to display their search page with their advertising instead of an error page when you type in a bad domain in your browser address bar.

Its a cheap way of providing basic filtering and protection for home, school or business, so, as long as you don't mind a third party company knowing what domains you visit, it's well worth it. They also spend a lot of effort speeding up DNS  lookups, so it will be a slight boost to your Internet usage. Also, for those who are security minded and know the technical merits of it, OpenDNS uses DNSCurve (an alternative to DNSSEC), to avoid DNS cache poisoning and so forth, something many ISPs have yet to adopt.

Like John said, however, it's trivial for anyone who knows basic networking, so it's not foolproof. But there you go. You get what you pay for (or not).

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 17 Dec 2011, at 06:12, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
> with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
> this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
> 
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what it
> was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.
> 
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
> 
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there are
> any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
> 
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> 
> 
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond" <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote:
> 
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's 
>> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install 
>> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip 
>> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>> 
>> www.opendns.com
>> 
>> 
>> Rusty
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>> 
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them 
>> out in a circle somehow.
>> 
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from 
>> Facebook...
>> 
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a 
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>> 
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent 
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>> 
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very 
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>> Only my safeguards saved me.
>> 
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> 
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Dec 17 15:53:15 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:53:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EECC028.70600@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net><4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com><002101ccbcce$76eead20$64cc0760$@comcast.net>
	<4EECC028.70600@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <9CF110EE28CA43C38D0F30CE013A296B@HAL9007>

I used to have some illusions about control but they got the crap kicked out
of them.  21 is beyond my control.  15 is not interested in porn - more
interested in torrenting SkyRim and SolidWorks.  And making the robots dance
and sing.  So far so good. :)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

LOL, he is getting that way.  ATM he is 10 years old, and that was just
allegorical.

I am sure that you can have a lively discussion with Rocky about determined
teenage boys though.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 10:13 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I have no doubt that the son of John Colby is very sophisticated, 
> computer literate, and determined!
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name 
> Server takes names such as Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric 
> IP address www.xxx.yyy.zzz.  OpenDNS simply takes those "natural 
> language" IP addresses and filters them against known attributes and 
> makes a decision whether to perform the translation into a numeric IP
address.
>
> So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to 
> OpenDNS, where I have set up my filters based on what I want to allow 
> through.  There are checkboxes on that page which allows me to filter 
> out specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult content.
>
> http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/
>
> My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not 
> allowed to surf to that site.  My son then embarks on a concerted 
> attempt to circumvent this issue and within minutes has discovered 
> what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different 
> Domain name server.  15 minutes later he is reading penthouse.
>
> Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....
>
> You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name 
> server such as OpenDNS, which is a much more secure implementation 
> method.  The problem is that IIRC if you set the NIC itself to use a 
> specific DNS then it goes around the router.
>
> But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate 
> and determined teenagers, a service like OpenDNS works rather well, 
> for what it is and what it does.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
>> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different 
>> customers with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue 
>> with any of this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>>
>> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of 
>> what it was actually doing, or even a general description of how it
> worked.
>>
>> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>>
>> Dan

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 17 16:00:58 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 08:00:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I frequently use MXToolbox.com to check how the world sees our DNS records (also to see if 
a client's IP addess is on any blacklists, to check whether their SMTP server is working and 
not an open relay , check that they have a valid PTR record etc).

To query different DNS servers, I use DIG - you can get a Windows CLI version here:
http://members.shaw.ca/nicholas.fong/dig/

-- 
Stuart

On 17 Dec 2011 at 13:31, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:

>  if you are a web developer/sys ops person such as myself, it is very
> useful to query different DNS servers around the world to see if there
> are problems with your configuration and how it is propagating around 




From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 17 18:06:48 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:06:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <79A9C576-1649-453C-8908-AB5330DA27B8@phulse.com>

They made a Windows version? That's neat. Is that without using Cygwin?

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2011-12-17, at 2:00 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> I frequently use MXToolbox.com to check how the world sees our DNS records (also to see if 
> a client's IP addess is on any blacklists, to check whether their SMTP server is working and 
> not an open relay , check that they have a valid PTR record etc).
> 
> To query different DNS servers, I use DIG - you can get a Windows CLI version here:
> http://members.shaw.ca/nicholas.fong/dig/
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 17 Dec 2011 at 13:31, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> 
>> if you are a web developer/sys ops person such as myself, it is very
>> useful to query different DNS servers around the world to see if there
>> are problems with your configuration and how it is propagating around 
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 17 18:35:50 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:35:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <79A9C576-1649-453C-8908-AB5330DA27B8@phulse.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<79A9C576-1649-453C-8908-AB5330DA27B8@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <4EED3566.6653.FB61FB2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It uses Cygwin. The zip contains:

12/06/2008  09:35 AM         1,872,884 cygwin1.dll
14/12/2005  01:29 PM            73,728 dig.exe
14/12/2005  01:28 PM            61,440 host.exe
14/12/2005  01:26 PM            21,504 libbind9.dll
14/12/2005  01:23 PM         1,007,616 libdns.dll
16/10/2003  12:09 PM           737,280 libeay32.dll
14/12/2005  01:21 PM           217,088 libisc.dll
14/12/2005  01:25 PM            53,248 libisccfg.dll
14/12/2005  01:26 PM            35,328 liblwres.dll
24/01/2006  08:44 PM           344,064 msvcr70.dll
30/05/2009  07:39 AM                 0 resolv.conf
12/05/2008  03:12 PM            19,968 sha1sum.exe
18/11/2009  11:48 PM            80,092 whois.exe


On 17 Dec 2011 at 16:06, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:

> They made a Windows version? That's neat. Is that without using Cygwin?
> 
> - Hans
> 




From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Dec 18 11:30:09 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:30:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
In-Reply-To: <4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <5DB682B02ABE4F40AA490E1CA5ED2AAA@XPS>

<<  My 
son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent this issue and within
minutes has discovered 
what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different Domain
name server.  15 minutes 
later he is reading penthouse.>>

  Tongue in cheek or not, wait till he finds out about proxy servers<g>.
Even DNS filtering doesn't help you then.

  Having raised three boys, I can tell you it was a real challenge at times
to stay ahead of them.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya

OpenDNS is just a domain name server with filters.  A Domain Name Server
takes names such as 
Microsoft.Com and turns that into a numeric IP address www.xxx.yyy.zzz.
OpenDNS simply takes those 
"natural language" IP addresses and filters them against known attributes
and makes a decision 
whether to perform the translation into a numeric IP address.

So... my teenage son types in penthouse.com.  The request is sent to
OpenDNS, where I have set up my 
filters based on what I want to allow through.  There are checkboxes on that
page which allows me to 
filter out specific things.  I have checked a box to filter out adult
content.

http://www.opendns.com/web-filtering/

My son's browser responds with a generic message that he is not allowed to
surf to that site.  My 
son then embarks on a concerted attempt to circumvent this issue and within
minutes has discovered 
what is going on and has locally set his system to use a different Domain
name server.  15 minutes 
later he is reading penthouse.

Of course the last paragraph was tongue in cheek but still....

You can actually set up your router to use a specific domain name server
such as OpenDNS, which is a 
much more secure implementation method.  The problem is that IIRC if you set
the NIC itself to use a 
specific DNS then it goes around the router.

But in general, other than for very sophisticated, computer literate and
determined teenagers, a 
service like OpenDNS works rather well, for what it is and what it does.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/17/2011 9:12 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> I use different email addresses, and also log into 4 different customers
> with 4 different VPN methods.  Would OpenDNS cause an issue with any of
> this?  I'm also using Comcast as an ISP - is that OK?
>
> I looked at the OpenDNS site, but I didn't see a good explanation of what
it
> was actually doing, or even a general description of how it worked.
>
> I don't have my own 'network' - is it helpful without that?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>
> One of the nicest features of opendns is that it will tell you if there
are
> any dns queries coming from malware on your network.
>
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 13:33, "Rusty Hammond"<rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>
wrote:
>
>> Another thing I've done is setup an opendns account for my home.  It's
>> free and does a nice job of content filtering.  No need to install
>> filtering software on the computers, but I do run the opendns ip
>> address update client on my desktop that's on all the time.
>>
>> www.opendns.com
>>
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:47 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] It just goes to show ya
>>
>> I got an email this morning - XYZ wants to be your friend on facebook.
>> I don't know xyz, but I often go look to see if maybe I do know them
>> out in a circle somehow.
>>
>> I clicked on the link...  It *looked* just like those things from
>> Facebook...
>>
>> You guessed it, it was a social engineering attempt to get me to a
>> page to do something bad to my computer.
>>
>> I run firefox in DropMyRights sandbox AND I have a widget to prevent
>> running scripts in firefox which just saved my bacon.
>>
>> It just goes to show though.  I *know* about this stuff, I am very
>> careful and I still got suckered.
>>   Only my safeguards saved me.
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Dec 20 12:57:57 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:57:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I have the following query
SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf, Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters] 
INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID) 
INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date] 
INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON 
GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON 
([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date) 
AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER)) 
ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER) 
INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915) 
AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;

The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373

The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061

I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as done by Access. 

Any thoughts appreciated.

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Dec 20 13:28:53 2011
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:28:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2010 help functionality problem
Message-ID: <001401ccbf4d$9bb725c0$d3257140$@cox.net>

Folks,

Here is another interesting behavior in Access 2010. It is probably specific
to my installation. Today when I was working on a project I hit the F1 key
in the VBA IDE to get the parameters for a command. Instead of the help
window opening I get a Download authorization dialog that asks if I want to
save Transition.htm from MS.MSACESS.DEV.14.1033. So I say yes and it saves
the file then I open it and it tries to open itself again. Is there some
file association setting that has gotten changed, registry setting that got
hosed, or ???? Help has worked. I shut down Access and restarted the
computer to make sure it wasn't just something that failed to load. Problem
still there.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. I don't use Access help that often but
I do like to use the help from the object browser and that is broken also.

Thanks in advance.

Doug



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Dec 20 15:59:21 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:59:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <4EF10539.1591.1E9A0E24@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You must have eleven records that match your SELECT... JOIN.... WHERE...HAVING   
criteria.

Sum() is adding the values in each of those eleven distinct records together.

-- 
Stuart
On 20 Dec 2011 at 12:57, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf, Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters] 
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID) 
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date] 
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON 
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON 
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date) 
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER)) 
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER) 
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915) 
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
> 
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
> 
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
> 
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as done by Access. 
> 
> Any thoughts appreciated.
> 
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
> 
> ?
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> 
> 
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Dec 20 16:44:15 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:44:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
In-Reply-To: <4EF10539.1591.1E9A0E24@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<4EF10539.1591.1E9A0E24@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D35BE@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

Good observation. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 3:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem

You must have eleven records that match your SELECT... JOIN.... WHERE...HAVING   
criteria.

Sum() is adding the values in each of those eleven distinct records together.

-- 
Stuart
On 20 Dec 2011 at 12:57, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf, Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters] 
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID) 
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date] 
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON 
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON 
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date) 
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER)) 
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER) 
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID, scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915) 
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
> 
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
> 
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
> 
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as done by Access. 
> 
> Any thoughts appreciated.
> 
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
> 
> ?
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> 
> 
> -- 
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 17:13:43 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:13:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <00a101ccbf6d$04a75f40$0df61dc0$@net>

Dunno...the Where clause was not being utilized properly for one thing.
This will run much more efficiently....
I couldn't really pin-point the problem though.

SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
       scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
       [Volume] * 1000      AS Mcf,
       Sum([Volume]) * 1000 AS McfTest
FROM   (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
         INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master
           ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID =
scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
        INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
                    INNER JOIN (GA_Header
                                INNER JOIN GA_Details
                                  ON GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER)
                      ON ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date =
GA_Header.Sample_Date )
                         AND ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER =
GA_Header.METER ))
          ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
       INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes
       ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
WHERE  (GA_Details.UNIT = "PCT" ) AND ([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID )
= 362915) AND
       ( scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate  = #12 / 1 / 2011 # )

GROUP  BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
          scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
          [Volume] * 1000
ORDER  BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
>
> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf,
> Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID
> = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date)
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER))
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname
> = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915)
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
>
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
>
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
>
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as
> done by Access.
>
> Any thoughts appreciated.
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 17:22:11 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:22:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
Message-ID: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>

The first one was that client who balked at my $80k estimate for the
shipping CRM system rewrite.originally done in VB, Access97.

Well, I checked back with the guy at the client company with whom I
collaborated with to create the add-on needed to support a new service.

It appears the Dot-net development has stopped, the system never got
released, and this is likely going to litigation.

The client has paid about $180,000 to date and has refused to pay any more
invoices from the consulting firm.

It has been 2 years in development.

Interestingly, part of the problem appears to be the fact that "this guy"
was not at all involved in the rewrite specifications.

Some other managers took over that task and it appears they were
flip-flopping on the specs and functionality.

So this is now a case of BOTH SIDE BEING RESPONSIBLE for the overrun.

However, NEITHER ONE sees it that way.

Does this sound familiar to anyone ?

 

See next post for the next "doozy" I've run into..



From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 18:12:45 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:12:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>

Got a short term (aka "stinker") contract for some Excel development work.
2 "layers" (i.e. commissions) of consulting firms involved....the first one
pretty "smarmy"...they initially lied about the legal engagement aspects to
rope me in.
This is so typical of these agency firms. I haven't met one over the past 5
years with any kind of respect for business ethics...not one.
The second is a huge global IT Consulting firm with ties to military
contracts. However, this contract is a follow-up to an original contract
from 3 years ago with a non-military client of theirs.
They had one of their contract employees build some VBA to create a
sophisticated Linear Programming model in Excel.
They were unable to get the original developers to commit to the enhancement
work, so they came to me. Those guys effectively "ducked out". I always
wondered why ?

I spent a few weeks getting to understand the system and it's flows....as
well as the nature of the processing.
There was no technical documentation.
I started into the 4500 lines of VBA code last week. Pure crap. No comments
or few comments or misleading comments in the code. Poor writing style, no
variables were named properly. There was no error trapping. Option Explicit
missing from many modules and forms.
Even worse: the original developer would take some crappy code from one
place, clone it in another, and make slight changes. Finally, the GUI design
of the forms and in-sheet controls was horrendous. For instance, instead of
coding a Title to a OpenFile (GetOpenFilename) Dialog, they would first
pop-up a Message Box with the title trying to indicate the nature of the
file that needed to be selected, and then call the function without a title.
This is just one example of the shoddy work done on this.
Now they want the system revamped, and "enhanced" with new features. Keep in
mind, this is a CRITICAL operations system for their client.
After a few days of working with it, because I didn't have intimate
knowledge of it, it kept blowing up on me.
In some cases it was mistakenly opening up the wrong workbook. Instead of
detecting that condition, it would go on it's
merry way....till it blew-up processing the wrong data.

So I write-up all of my findings in excruciating detail. What do I get in
response ?
Here it goes: "Well then Mark, we'll ALL have to put in some 'extra' time on
this if you've got to spend so much time cleaning up this code. We have a
fixed budget for this work."
By 'extra time', they of course meant "free" time.
What a load of B.S. So I asked the project manager about the "code reviews"
on the initial project and he didn't say a word. Also, I told him a few
weeks ago to get a second opinion. Once again, no response.

So I haven't said much lately since that missive of mine went out. But I
definitely am not going to work for free...no matter what. Because of their
poor oversight and use of a programmer who didn't know VBA, didn't know the
Excel Object Model, and couldn't design a GUI to save his soul, they've got
to take the "fall" on this. It's only right. If I have to, I'll get a lawyer
and make them look really stupid.

Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become
repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost without
words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. I
do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was
instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced wages.
So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting world.
What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.





From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Dec 20 18:20:59 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:20:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
In-Reply-To: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
Message-ID: <002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>

Yes!  Did I say Yes!

Customers tend to buy on who 'sounds' like experts, even though the customer
has no way to know who is really qualified.

I have a specific process I go through to avoid this.  It has two major
steps - Requirements and Development.

In the Requirements stage, the deliverable is a set of requirements that
could be used by anyone.  I will estimate the amount of time (money) this
will take, but I won't get pinned down.  I end up with a set of screenshots
that were developed by me and a user group over time.  During this phase, I
simply bill by the hour.  During this time, I am working as a consultant
just to create requirements.

>From the requirements, I quote a fixed amount to do the Development phase.
The customer is free to take the requirements and have them quoted by
someone else.  If they want to find a cheaper company, so be it - but it
hasn't happened yet.  At some point during Requirements, I'll start giving a
range of what the Development might cost, and I've learned to err on the
high side.

Another good practice is to do bite-sized pieces.  Whatever get chewed off
in the beginning will determine what they want to eat later on!

Maybe you could now 'ride in on the white horse?'

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another

The first one was that client who balked at my $80k estimate for the
shipping CRM system rewrite.originally done in VB, Access97.

Well, I checked back with the guy at the client company with whom I
collaborated with to create the add-on needed to support a new service.

It appears the Dot-net development has stopped, the system never got
released, and this is likely going to litigation.

The client has paid about $180,000 to date and has refused to pay any more
invoices from the consulting firm.

It has been 2 years in development.

Interestingly, part of the problem appears to be the fact that "this guy"
was not at all involved in the rewrite specifications.

Some other managers took over that task and it appears they were
flip-flopping on the specs and functionality.

So this is now a case of BOTH SIDE BEING RESPONSIBLE for the overrun.

However, NEITHER ONE sees it that way.

Does this sound familiar to anyone ?

 

See next post for the next "doozy" I've run into..

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 18:46:42 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:46:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
In-Reply-To: <002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>

Well Dan, for something as complex and integrated as a CRM, it's tough.
That's why there are so many CRM "Frameworks" out there.
In this particular case however, their requirements were unique....to the
shipping business.
NO OTS solutions were out there.

Doing this in house meant the risk of a complex requirements development and
data analysis...
a monumental task especially if you were not in the shipping business.
First you have to learn the shipping business, then marine law and marine
regulations and reporting requirements.
Holy, Moly...that was a HUGE MOUNTAIN to climb.
That's years of specific knowledge acquisition....and they hired a
consulting firm with ostensibly...
NO SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

Risky business indeed....and thus the upcoming litigation.




From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Tue Dec 20 18:55:19 2011
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:55:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
Message-ID: <06470800591B41B3B7468FEFA76D4E04@abpc>

I've met this frustrating and stupid contracting world too. I now renounce, but keep asking myself what's the benefits for companies receiving stupid contracting code? Sooner or later they have to advance to "15 years ago"...
Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 21. december 2011 01:13
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] And now the other...

Got a short term (aka "stinker") contract for some Excel development work.
2 "layers" (i.e. commissions) of consulting firms involved....the first one
pretty "smarmy"...they initially lied about the legal engagement aspects to
rope me in.
This is so typical of these agency firms. I haven't met one over the past 5
years with any kind of respect for business ethics...not one.
The second is a huge global IT Consulting firm with ties to military
contracts. However, this contract is a follow-up to an original contract
from 3 years ago with a non-military client of theirs.
They had one of their contract employees build some VBA to create a
sophisticated Linear Programming model in Excel.
They were unable to get the original developers to commit to the enhancement
work, so they came to me. Those guys effectively "ducked out". I always
wondered why ?

I spent a few weeks getting to understand the system and it's flows....as
well as the nature of the processing.
There was no technical documentation.
I started into the 4500 lines of VBA code last week. Pure crap. No comments
or few comments or misleading comments in the code. Poor writing style, no
variables were named properly. There was no error trapping. Option Explicit
missing from many modules and forms.
Even worse: the original developer would take some crappy code from one
place, clone it in another, and make slight changes. Finally, the GUI design
of the forms and in-sheet controls was horrendous. For instance, instead of
coding a Title to a OpenFile (GetOpenFilename) Dialog, they would first
pop-up a Message Box with the title trying to indicate the nature of the
file that needed to be selected, and then call the function without a title.
This is just one example of the shoddy work done on this.
Now they want the system revamped, and "enhanced" with new features. Keep in
mind, this is a CRITICAL operations system for their client.
After a few days of working with it, because I didn't have intimate
knowledge of it, it kept blowing up on me.
In some cases it was mistakenly opening up the wrong workbook. Instead of
detecting that condition, it would go on it's
merry way....till it blew-up processing the wrong data.

So I write-up all of my findings in excruciating detail. What do I get in
response ?
Here it goes: "Well then Mark, we'll ALL have to put in some 'extra' time on
this if you've got to spend so much time cleaning up this code. We have a
fixed budget for this work."
By 'extra time', they of course meant "free" time.
What a load of B.S. So I asked the project manager about the "code reviews"
on the initial project and he didn't say a word. Also, I told him a few
weeks ago to get a second opinion. Once again, no response.

So I haven't said much lately since that missive of mine went out. But I
definitely am not going to work for free...no matter what. Because of their
poor oversight and use of a programmer who didn't know VBA, didn't know the
Excel Object Model, and couldn't design a GUI to save his soul, they've got
to take the "fall" on this. It's only right. If I have to, I'll get a lawyer
and make them look really stupid.

Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become
repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost without
words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. I
do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was
instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced wages.
So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting world.
What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.



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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Tue Dec 20 19:05:19 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:05:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <06470800591B41B3B7468FEFA76D4E04@abpc>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
	<06470800591B41B3B7468FEFA76D4E04@abpc>
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560616A@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>


This sort of thing is exactly what is hurting a local accounting software company very badly.  Their 'upgrade' to a new system has been botched pretty badly.

Many complaints and screams from the 1% of customers who are using the new software to date.  It is awful that even MYOB's own business partners are recommending that users stay on their legacy software or more to other competing platforms.  MYOB haven't handled this very well to date.

<<http://www.crn.com.au/News/284460,myob-a-lesson-in-how-to-bungle-a-beta.aspx>>

Is a good summary.  The forums are interesting reading if you have the time and interest in these sort of things.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond
Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011 11:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] And now the other...

I've met this frustrating and stupid contracting world too. I now renounce, but keep asking myself what's the benefits for companies receiving stupid contracting code? Sooner or later they have to advance to "15 years ago"...
Asger

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Simms
Sendt: 21. december 2011 01:13
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: [AccessD] And now the other...

Got a short term (aka "stinker") contract for some Excel development work.
2 "layers" (i.e. commissions) of consulting firms involved....the first one pretty "smarmy"...they initially lied about the legal engagement aspects to rope me in.
This is so typical of these agency firms. I haven't met one over the past 5 years with any kind of respect for business ethics...not one.
The second is a huge global IT Consulting firm with ties to military contracts. However, this contract is a follow-up to an original contract from 3 years ago with a non-military client of theirs.
They had one of their contract employees build some VBA to create a sophisticated Linear Programming model in Excel.
They were unable to get the original developers to commit to the enhancement work, so they came to me. Those guys effectively "ducked out". I always wondered why ?

I spent a few weeks getting to understand the system and it's flows....as well as the nature of the processing.
There was no technical documentation.
I started into the 4500 lines of VBA code last week. Pure crap. No comments or few comments or misleading comments in the code. Poor writing style, no variables were named properly. There was no error trapping. Option Explicit missing from many modules and forms.
Even worse: the original developer would take some crappy code from one place, clone it in another, and make slight changes. Finally, the GUI design of the forms and in-sheet controls was horrendous. For instance, instead of coding a Title to a OpenFile (GetOpenFilename) Dialog, they would first pop-up a Message Box with the title trying to indicate the nature of the file that needed to be selected, and then call the function without a title.
This is just one example of the shoddy work done on this.
Now they want the system revamped, and "enhanced" with new features. Keep in mind, this is a CRITICAL operations system for their client.
After a few days of working with it, because I didn't have intimate knowledge of it, it kept blowing up on me.
In some cases it was mistakenly opening up the wrong workbook. Instead of detecting that condition, it would go on it's merry way....till it blew-up processing the wrong data.

So I write-up all of my findings in excruciating detail. What do I get in response ?
Here it goes: "Well then Mark, we'll ALL have to put in some 'extra' time on this if you've got to spend so much time cleaning up this code. We have a fixed budget for this work."
By 'extra time', they of course meant "free" time.
What a load of B.S. So I asked the project manager about the "code reviews"
on the initial project and he didn't say a word. Also, I told him a few weeks ago to get a second opinion. Once again, no response.

So I haven't said much lately since that missive of mine went out. But I definitely am not going to work for free...no matter what. Because of their poor oversight and use of a programmer who didn't know VBA, didn't know the Excel Object Model, and couldn't design a GUI to save his soul, they've got to take the "fall" on this. It's only right. If I have to, I'll get a lawyer and make them look really stupid.

Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost without words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. I do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced wages.
So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting world.
What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.



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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 19:09:43 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:09:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
Message-ID: <0707F689F69B490FA7954485A33D30B1@SusanHarkins>

I recently was asked to consult, albeit just a quick opinion, on a similar 
project. In truth, things didn't look particularly bad, but I didn't spend 
much time reviewing the code, etc. A developer, via a small consulting firm, 
WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY underbid and then stopped working when he tired of 
the project. The developer claimed the client was guilty of scope creep --  
the guy didn't know whether he was or not. There was no formal spec sheet, 
if the guy was honest with me about it.

The budget for the project's been spent and it isn't done. The poor guy is 
stuck -- boss is mad.

At some point in the conversation, sitting in his office, it became apparent 
to me that he thought I was going to finish it for free. Um... no, and why 
would I? I just said, "I don't care whether you pay me or whether the 
consulting firm you originally hired pays me." FWIW, I don't work for that 
firm, I was just doing someone a quick favor.

I'm sitting across from the client and he says, "Developers aren't looking 
too good to me right now." So not my problem.

I finally told him he needed to take it up with the consulting firm and ask 
for a refund or for someone to complete the project. I doubt he got either.

Susan H.


>
> Well this one should end this final chapter in my career which has become
> repetitive with these situations, stressful, and unjust. I'm almost 
> without
> words about how I feel about this awful dev business today thru agencies. 
> I
> do the work, they make the money. I thought slavery was abolished !.
> But NO.....because when all of the Indian insourcing and outsourcing was
> instituted, the net effect has been reduced opportunities and reduced 
> wages.
> So slavery has come back to America...at least in the IT contracting 
> world.
> What a change from the high status occupation it once was 15 years ago.



From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Dec 20 20:06:55 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:06:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another
In-Reply-To: <00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
Message-ID: <002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>

Sounds like this marine shipping company jumped into a leaky boat and headed
of in the wrong direction!  ;-)

They should have known better than that.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I told you of this one before.....and now another

Well Dan, for something as complex and integrated as a CRM, it's tough.
That's why there are so many CRM "Frameworks" out there.
In this particular case however, their requirements were unique....to the
shipping business.
NO OTS solutions were out there.

Doing this in house meant the risk of a complex requirements development and
data analysis...
a monumental task especially if you were not in the shipping business.
First you have to learn the shipping business, then marine law and marine
regulations and reporting requirements.
Holy, Moly...that was a HUGE MOUNTAIN to climb.
That's years of specific knowledge acquisition....and they hired a
consulting firm with ostensibly...
NO SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

Risky business indeed....and thus the upcoming litigation.


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 21:08:01 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:08:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...WOW SUSAN
In-Reply-To: <0707F689F69B490FA7954485A33D30B1@SusanHarkins>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>,
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com><4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
	<0707F689F69B490FA7954485A33D30B1@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <000101ccbf8d$c0382260$40a86720$@net>

Wow Susan, WHAT A STORY ! The "attitudes" were just so....TELLING.





From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 21:25:40 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:25:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>

Re: "wrong direction"

Your are right, but IT GETS EVEN BETTER :
After I installed the really complex and fully integrated with their CRM
database Access add-on that provided them with another $300k in services fee
income, they later wanted to offer me "Fulltime employment".
This was AFTER I made the $80k Access proposal which they rejected.
(Remember, they are currently sitting at $180k in dev expenses and NO SYSTEM
has been delivered)

Well, the BIG PROBLEM was I was still bound to an AGENCY non-compete
agreement.
The agency decided that they were a "big part" of this (they did NOTHING)
and should get a whopping $30k one-time fee for that employment contract.
That put me way under $100k as a salary for which I felt
entitled...especially given the 60 mile roundtrip commute I was facing daily
if I were to commit to them.

So I rejected the offer; and then they immediately contracted with that
consulting company....

And ..."The Rest Is History" as they say.

Incredible story, no ?

Susan, something to publish perhaps ?




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 03:40:25 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 04:40:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] And now the other...
In-Reply-To: <00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<0E7A4EF2-7941-42D9-9397-142D601056FE@phulse.com>
	<4EED111A.17875.F2854F2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a701ccbf75$440949c0$cc1bdd40$@net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gwwH0xPh16s84MaiBn97B3bFt5qz3yQYOKEYx-J2s7ug@mail.gmail.com>

I feel your pain, but at the same time I predicted this outcome over 10
years ago. We developers have become the MayTag repair-persons of this
century. We wait for something to fix, and in the meantime do next to
nothing

Arthur


From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Wed Dec 21 04:43:01 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:43:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Book
Message-ID: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560637C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Arthur,

Got my copy of the book today that you recommended.  Just want to say thanks. It is great and will be a wonderful resource for both myself and my boys as they grow up. Most excellent indeed.

Alos a good time to say a big thank you and merrry xmas to everyone on this list. Once again, you have been an invaluable source of help and support over the past year.  I have learnt more from you guys and girls than any course could offer.  You are an amazing and always educational resource.  So Cheers!

:)
Darryl.






From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 05:49:46 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:49:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Book
In-Reply-To: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560637C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <56653D383CB80341995245C537A9E7B560637C@SINPRD0402MB099.apcprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iwMx72pSp20A0w7A2J6ExZ3cOemQf-jBa8PXjyawb23A@mail.gmail.com>

I'm glad to hear that you like the book.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Darryl Collins <
darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au> wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> Got my copy of the book today that you recommended.  Just want to say
> thanks. It is great and will be a wonderful resource for both myself and my
> boys as they grow up. Most excellent indeed.
>
> --
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 07:54:04 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:54:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
Message-ID: <6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>

>
> Well, the BIG PROBLEM was I was still bound to an AGENCY non-compete
> agreement.
> The agency decided that they were a "big part" of this (they did NOTHING)
> and should get a whopping $30k one-time fee for that employment contract.
> That put me way under $100k as a salary for which I felt
> entitled...especially given the 60 mile roundtrip commute I was facing 
> daily
> if I were to commit to them.

========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that 
restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how long were 
you there?


> So I rejected the offer; and then they immediately contracted with that
> consulting company....
>
> And ..."The Rest Is History" as they say.
>
> Incredible story, no ?
>
> Susan, something to publish perhaps ?

========10 developers tell their favorite Scrooge stories :)

Susan H. 



From guss at beechnutconsulting.com  Wed Dec 21 11:29:10 2011
From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:29:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
Message-ID: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>

I have created a folder where I scan documents into searchable pdf files.  I
have windows (7 Ultimate) indexing setup to index on the contents, and now I
want to write a query that uses the Windows Index file as the recordsource.
I am hoping to set up this as perhaps a linked table, and build a query that
looks something like:

 

Select filename, path FROM WindowsIndexFile where IndexedContent =
mysearchstring1 OR IndexedContent = mysearchstring2; where I am totally
guessing what the fields are.

 

My computer tells me that the index is stored on C:\Program Data\Windows,
but there are a lot of folders under that, and I have no clue about where to
look or what the file is or how to access it.

 

Any suggestions appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Sincerely yours,

 

Guss Ginsburg

Beechnut Consulting Services

 



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 12:12:00 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:12:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP stored procedure
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>

A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran from
SSMS.


If either of these are ran from SSMS:

EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''


EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL

The data is returned as expected.


If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate window, we
get different results.

The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is being
calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.

Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned rows)
will be different.

I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a resultset to
Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.

Does anyone have any ideas?

TIA,
David


From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 12:35:43 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:35:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>

You're very sharp Susan....as you picked-out a very powerful weapon used by
the agencies.
It was a onerous 1 year agreement. The count-down BEGINS the day after no
longer do any work for that client.
Since the client used this agency for other personnel fill-ins as well, they
did not want to chance a lawsuit over breaking this agreement.
The agencies get away with this because the downside EFFECTS of such an
agreement are never made known. It's the agency's "big secret". That's why
this is such a great story of CAUSE and EFFECT. Here is a clear cut case of
the clause causing harm to the client. You never hear or read about the
stories related to this, do you ? I can see it now....
"Greedy Agency Harms Own Client Over Onerous Non-compete Agreement"



> ========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that
> restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how long
> were you there?
>
>
> Susan H.




From df.waters at comcast.net  Wed Dec 21 12:43:48 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:43:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
Message-ID: <01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>

What I'm familiar with is an agreement where the client can't hire a temp
until at least x days have passed (typically 90).  If they hire a temp after
that and before the contract expires, the agency then gets a prorated
'kickback' to cover their lost income.  

But I've never heard of a restriction After the original working time
expires.  This sounds onerous enough to wonder if it's legal.  Or perhaps
legal in one state but not in another.  Sounds like a 'job-killer'.
Seriously, call your congressman to get this fixed.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"

You're very sharp Susan....as you picked-out a very powerful weapon used by
the agencies.
It was a onerous 1 year agreement. The count-down BEGINS the day after no
longer do any work for that client.
Since the client used this agency for other personnel fill-ins as well, they
did not want to chance a lawsuit over breaking this agreement.
The agencies get away with this because the downside EFFECTS of such an
agreement are never made known. It's the agency's "big secret". That's why
this is such a great story of CAUSE and EFFECT. Here is a clear cut case of
the clause causing harm to the client. You never hear or read about the
stories related to this, do you ? I can see it now....
"Greedy Agency Harms Own Client Over Onerous Non-compete Agreement"



> ========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that 
> restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how 
> long were you there?
>
>
> Susan H.


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 12:46:23 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:46:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
In-Reply-To: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>
References: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <011a01ccc010$d6afb1b0$840f1510$@net>

I don't think it's possible Gus. I don't even think MSFT added an API to
read the index.
Indeed, they made changes to this in Windows 7.
I only saw this in Technet:
The index files have the following protection by default:
    Access Control Lists (ACLs) that only allow the BUILTIN\Administrators
and NT Authority\System users access to the index.
    Index files are lightly obfuscated.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:29 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
>
> I have created a folder where I scan documents into searchable pdf
> files.  I
> have windows (7 Ultimate) indexing setup to index on the contents, and
> now I
> want to write a query that uses the Windows Index file as the
> recordsource.
> I am hoping to set up this as perhaps a linked table, and build a query
> that
> looks something like:
>
>
>
> Select filename, path FROM WindowsIndexFile where IndexedContent =
> mysearchstring1 OR IndexedContent = mysearchstring2; where I am totally
> guessing what the fields are.
>
>
>
> My computer tells me that the index is stored on C:\Program
> Data\Windows,
> but there are a lot of folders under that, and I have no clue about
> where to
> look or what the file is or how to access it.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
>
>
> Guss Ginsburg
>
> Beechnut Consulting Services
>
>
>
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Wed Dec 21 13:01:52 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:01:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
In-Reply-To: <011a01ccc010$d6afb1b0$840f1510$@net>
References: <004701ccc006$0dbf4f40$293dedc0$@beechnutconsulting.com>
	<011a01ccc010$d6afb1b0$840f1510$@net>
Message-ID: <01b301ccc013$0035cfe0$00a16fa0$@comcast.net>

Hi Guss,

You can do a lot with FileSystemObject (Microsoft Scripting Runtime).

This is an example of changing the read only property of files in a folder:

'-------------------

    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim fol As Folder
    Dim fil As File
    Dim filList As Object
    Dim fProperty As Object
    
    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set fol = fso.GetFolder(stgFolderPath)
    Set filList = f.Files
    For Each fil In fc
        '-- Set file as read-only
        stgFilePath = stgFolderPath & "\" & f1.Name
        Set fProperties = fso.GetFile(stgFilePath)
        If blnReadOnly = True Then
            fProperties.Attributes = 1
        Else
            fProperties.Attributes = 0
        End If
    Next

'------------------

There is much more you can do with the methods and properties from
FileSystemObject.

HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index

I don't think it's possible Gus. I don't even think MSFT added an API to
read the index.
Indeed, they made changes to this in Windows 7.
I only saw this in Technet:
The index files have the following protection by default:
    Access Control Lists (ACLs) that only allow the BUILTIN\Administrators
and NT Authority\System users access to the index.
    Index files are lightly obfuscated.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Guss Ginsburg
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:29 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Using MS Access to read the Windows Index
>
> I have created a folder where I scan documents into searchable pdf 
> files.  I have windows (7 Ultimate) indexing setup to index on the 
> contents, and now I want to write a query that uses the Windows Index 
> file as the recordsource.
> I am hoping to set up this as perhaps a linked table, and build a 
> query that looks something like:
>
>
>
> Select filename, path FROM WindowsIndexFile where IndexedContent =
> mysearchstring1 OR IndexedContent = mysearchstring2; where I am totally
> guessing what the fields are.
>
>
>
> My computer tells me that the index is stored on C:\Program
> Data\Windows,
> but there are a lot of folders under that, and I have no clue about
> where to
> look or what the file is or how to access it.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
>
>
> Guss Ginsburg
>
> Beechnut Consulting Services
>
>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 13:23:57 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:23:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16EA26479A244A2AA692EEC353B4D3D6@SusanHarkins>

Did you know about this clause when you signed up?

Susan H.
> It was a onerous 1 year agreement. The count-down BEGINS the day after no
> longer do any work for that client.
> Since the client used this agency for other personnel fill-ins as well, 
> they
> did not want to chance a lawsuit over breaking this agreement.
> The agencies get away with this because the downside EFFECTS of such an
> agreement are never made known. It's the agency's "big secret". That's why
> this is such a great story of CAUSE and EFFECT. Here is a clear cut case 
> of
> the clause causing harm to the client. You never hear or read about the
> stories related to this, do you ? I can see it now....
> "Greedy Agency Harms Own Client Over Onerous Non-compete Agreement"
>
>
>
>> ========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that
>> restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how
>> long were you there?
>>
>>
>> Susan H.
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 13:37:58 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:37:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <16EA26479A244A2AA692EEC353B4D3D6@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<16EA26479A244A2AA692EEC353B4D3D6@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <013c01ccc018$0b995cd0$22cc1670$@net>

You bet. No leverage to negotiate...natch.
I later discovered thru an online forum that Robert Half is one of the most
hated and complained about agencies in the country.

>
> Did you know about this clause when you signed up?
>
> Susan H.




From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 13:43:41 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:43:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>

Exactly Dan. Had it gone to a lawsuit, it would have been your typical
"pissing match" by lawyers.
No one would win....but they would be enriched in the process.
I have heard of these non-compete cases going on for literally decades...I'm
not kidding.
I had a friend who did exactly that when she set-up her own Orthodontal
office near her old boss.
Finally settled after 20 years.

Today everyone is blaming America's woes on capitalism. That's entirely
BOGUS.
Capitalism is about FREE MARKETS. However, today's laws and lawyers prevent
capitalism to work as it was originally intended to work. We are in a
quasi-socialistic environment where the "big boys" and businessmen with
political influence rule our world.


> But I've never heard of a restriction After the original working time
> expires.  This sounds onerous enough to wonder if it's legal.  Or
> perhaps legal in one state but not in another.  Sounds like a
'job-killer'.
> Seriously, call your congressman to get this fixed.
>
> Dan




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 13:55:44 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:55:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
Message-ID: <C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>

My dad sold a small business in the early 80's. The buyer tried to force a 
non-compete clause that was absolutely ridiculous. My dad would've had to 
move to work! His lawyer told the buyer no way... they haggled for a long 
time, but eventually left it out. I guess you can't blame people for trying, 
we just have to know when to say no.

Susan H.



> Exactly Dan. Had it gone to a lawsuit, it would have been your typical
> "pissing match" by lawyers.
> No one would win....but they would be enriched in the process.
> I have heard of these non-compete cases going on for literally 
> decades...I'm
> not kidding.
> I had a friend who did exactly that when she set-up her own Orthodontal
> office near her old boss.
> Finally settled after 20 years.



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 14:37:45 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:37:45 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [ACCESS-L] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP
	stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
References: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>

I created a new mdb and it returns correctly, as expected via a pass
through query.

I'm going to try a box with an Access version <2007 to test the ADP.



On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Duane Hookom <duanehookom at hotmail.com>wrote:

> How does it look if you try this in a Pass-Through query?
>
> Duane Hookom
> MS Access MVP
>
>
> > From: davidmcafee at GMAIL.COM
> >
> > A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran
> from
> > SSMS.
> >
> >
> > If either of these are ran from SSMS:
> >
> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''
> >
> >
> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL
> >
> > The data is returned as expected.
> >
> >
> > If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate window,
> we
> > get different results.
> >
> > The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is being
> > calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.
> >
> > Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned
> rows)
> > will be different.
> >
> > I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a resultset
> to
> > Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.
> >
> > Does anyone have any ideas?
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 14:58:27 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:58:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [ACCESS-L] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP
	stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
	<CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWa1u7eR18nSk0avM52ncwjLPH3cdy_inQy60pKpJQYtQg@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I tested the ADP on a box with Access 2002.
It returned the same, incorrect row count and values.

I tried running the stored procedure from a different ADP and it also
returns incorrect records.

So far the only way to get the correct results besides running it directly
in SSMS is to run it from an mdb using a pass through query.

What occurs differently between running a pass through vs running the sproc
directly from the Access database window?

David

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:

> I created a new mdb and it returns correctly, as expected via a pass
> through query.
>
> I'm going to try a box with an Access version <2007 to test the ADP.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Duane Hookom <duanehookom at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> How does it look if you try this in a Pass-Through query?
>>
>> Duane Hookom
>> MS Access MVP
>>
>>
>> > From: davidmcafee at GMAIL.COM
>> >
>> > A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran
>> from
>> > SSMS.
>> >
>> >
>> > If either of these are ran from SSMS:
>> >
>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''
>> >
>> >
>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL
>> >
>> > The data is returned as expected.
>> >
>> >
>> > If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate
>> window, we
>> > get different results.
>> >
>> > The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is
>> being
>> > calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.
>> >
>> > Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned
>> rows)
>> > will be different.
>> >
>> > I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a
>> resultset to
>> > Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have any ideas?
>>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 15:06:15 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:06:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>

True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
15 years ago ? No problem.

> we just have to know when to say no.
>
> Susan H.




From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 15:44:35 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:44:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [ACCESS-L] Varying results in an A2007/A2010 ADP
	stored procedure
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWa1u7eR18nSk0avM52ncwjLPH3cdy_inQy60pKpJQYtQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMhYZWb98ghGfBP+vp2ps-TdDP0qS5=A=+71nADcazDZsHZnhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT117-W250AEA0ADD0A63E96B8693B5A50@phx.gbl>
	<CAMhYZWartkuY9WZeP_tt_vuASggQGABQwVNLvyZf_YigX81C-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWa1u7eR18nSk0avM52ncwjLPH3cdy_inQy60pKpJQYtQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWaYC8=N2czUbMqRwhLap7KndqGOgLicJRYBqTGyu=R2wg@mail.gmail.com>

OK, we ran a Trace on the different ways we are running the sproc.

When it is called from the ADP, the sproc is called via an RPC, not
directly as a passthrough query (as I've assumed it was called).

>From the ADP, if I run this:

Private Sub Command8_Click()
Dim rs As Recordset
Set rs = CurrentProject.Connection.Execute("EXEC RRMS.dbo.stpR6Payouts
'1/1/2011','11/30/2011',null")
Debug.Print rs.RecordCount

I get the correct count!

If I put an break point on the last line above and run this from the
immediate window:
rs.MoveFirst
? rs![CustName]
STAR FORD
? rs![IndividualPayCalc]
 5368

I get the correct amount (that 5368 is never correct when running the sproc
from the immediate window in the ADP).

So this tells me the rendering in the ADP is having issues, correct?

This is scary. How many other things have I trusted to be correct and
weren't?

:/

Any ideas?

David


On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:58 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:

> OK, I tested the ADP on a box with Access 2002.
> It returned the same, incorrect row count and values.
>
> I tried running the stored procedure from a different ADP and it also
> returns incorrect records.
>
> So far the only way to get the correct results besides running it directly
> in SSMS is to run it from an mdb using a pass through query.
>
> What occurs differently between running a pass through vs running the
> sproc directly from the Access database window?
>
> David
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I created a new mdb and it returns correctly, as expected via a pass
>> through query.
>>
>> I'm going to try a box with an Access version <2007 to test the ADP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Duane Hookom <duanehookom at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> How does it look if you try this in a Pass-Through query?
>>>
>>> Duane Hookom
>>> MS Access MVP
>>>
>>>
>>> > From: davidmcafee at GMAIL.COM
>>> >
>>> > A coworker wrote a new stored procedure that works just fine when ran
>>> from
>>> > SSMS.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > If either of these are ran from SSMS:
>>> >
>>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',''
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > EXEC stpR6Payouts '1/1/2011','11/30/2011',NULL
>>> >
>>> > The data is returned as expected.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > If, the sproc is ran from VBA, or directly through the immediate
>>> window, we
>>> > get different results.
>>> >
>>> > The sproc run from Access will return a few rows short, and data is
>>> being
>>> > calculated incorrectly on the rows that are returned.
>>> >
>>> > Hit F5 in Access, and a different row count (and data on the returned
>>> rows)
>>> > will be different.
>>> >
>>> > I've always assumed SQL was doing all the work and returning a
>>> resultset to
>>> > Access, but it doesn't appear this is actually what happens.
>>> >
>>> > Does anyone have any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> The ACCESS-L list is hosted on a Windows(R) 2003 Server running L-Soft
>>> international's LISTSERV(R) software.  For subscription/signoff info
>>> and archives, see http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/access-l.html .
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>>>
>>
>>
>


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 18:09:51 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:09:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net><013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net><C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
Message-ID: <68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>

Yeah, I understand. I've never turned down work. 

Susan H. 


> True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
> 15 years ago ? No problem.
> 
>> we just have to know when to say no.
>>
>> Susan H.



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 18:26:12 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:26:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
	<68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't mean to start a war here, Susan, but I venture to suggest that you
ought to learn how to fire clients. Clues include:

a) they don't pay within 30 days;
b) they don't respond to emails within 24 hours.

If either or both of these occur, move on, my lovely lady; call it a lesson
learned and move on! But before doing so, document this somewhere findable
(FaceBook etc.) to warn us all of dealing with this scumfork client. We
have your six, Susan!

Love and kisses and Merry Christmas, and know that I meant what I said in
the second-previous sentence. You need reinforcements, you got 'em. My arms
and reach are long, and extend way past this group. Snap your fingers, and
something might happen.

A.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I understand. I've never turned down work.
> Susan H.
>
>  True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
>> 15 years ago ? No problem.
>>
>>  we just have to know when to say no.
>>>
>>> Susan H.
>>>
>>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>



-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 18:47:24 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:47:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net><002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net><00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net><002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net><000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net><6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins><010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net><01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net><013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net><C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins><002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net><68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BFDE783DEED04D58B32314ABF531831D@SusanHarkins>

I would if I needed to -- don't need to. I haven't had a bad client in a 
long, long time, thank you Jesus. :) What I meant was, if the clients I have 
need something, I find a way to get it to them. That's because they pay 
within 30 days and always respond quickly. ;)

Susan H.


>I don't mean to start a war here, Susan, but I venture to suggest that you
> ought to learn how to fire clients. Clues include:
>
> a) they don't pay within 30 days;
> b) they don't respond to emails within 24 hours.
>
> If either or both of these occur, move on, my lovely lady; call it a 
> lesson
> learned and move on! But before doing so, document this somewhere findable
> (FaceBook etc.) to warn us all of dealing with this scumfork client. We
> have your six, Susan!
>
> Love and kisses and Merry Christmas, and know that I meant what I said in
> the second-previous sentence. You need reinforcements, you got 'em. My 
> arms
> and reach are long, and extend way past this group. Snap your fingers, and
> something might happen.
>



From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Dec 21 22:13:04 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:13:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
	<68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401ccc060$00acf4b0$0206de10$@net>

Wow Art, that is prophetic as a measure of a client.
And I totally agree. Their payment practices speak volumes for their
commitment and integrity.
Fire a client ? ABSOLUTELY. In fact, if you go to any Personal Injury Law
firm, they spend an enormous amount of time doing what ? SIZING UP THEIR
POTENTIAL CLIENTS. If they don't like em, they say good bye IMMEDIATELY.
Trust me, I have a good friend in that business.

I had a client from hell. Indian guy...IT director.
Fired his employee....then a lawsuit ensued (OF COURSE !!).
I got hired to pick up that work. It was crap (heard this before ?).
I worked like a madman to learn their business, their operations,
etc....there was no documentation (heard this before ?)
The Access database was in need of a total rewrite. No time for that (heard
this before ?)

So I kept on working....without getting paid.
Then they fired me, just when I had finished it all.
Asked for their really expensive laptop back.
I REFUSED to give it back without being paid.

Agency stepped in....called for a demo.
I demoed, they were happy, I got paid...on-the-spot, in full.

I was contacted to do some enhancements, they didn't like my price or time
estimates...
so I never heard from them again.




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 22:26:35 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:26:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4ALoP107CXrP2srRixH13j9XAC=fPf8gvytzQLsiXtwg@mail.gmail.com>

@Art... spot on. The longer one stays associated with a bad gig the less
self respect one retains.

If you stay on past the point where you can feel yourself beginning to
resent this client or employer you might start to show a side of yourself
which you wouldn't in a more healthy environment.

It usually pays to be diplomatic in how you "fire" a client.Try not to give
them a reason to blackball you and offer to do knowledge tranfer ... even
if you despise them.

When it comes to improving your situation SEEK AND YOU SHALL FIND!!!
On Dec 21, 2011 4:07 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> True, but in this economic climate, I am unable to say "no".
> 15 years ago ? No problem.
>
> > we just have to know when to say no.
> >
> > Susan H.
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 22:34:31 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:34:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <002401ccc060$00acf4b0$0206de10$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
	<68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401ccc060$00acf4b0$0206de10$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6miPMSW+poSnDyxm-5XyZkh7QBL7hkENQyJEwQvSqCoQ@mail.gmail.com>

When it comes to love you never forget your first. But in the working world
you never forget your worst, eh Mark?
On Dec 21, 2011 11:14 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Wow Art, that is prophetic as a measure of a client.
> And I totally agree. Their payment practices speak volumes for their
> commitment and integrity.
> Fire a client ? ABSOLUTELY. In fact, if you go to any Personal Injury Law
> firm, they spend an enormous amount of time doing what ? SIZING UP THEIR
> POTENTIAL CLIENTS. If they don't like em, they say good bye IMMEDIATELY.
> Trust me, I have a good friend in that business.
>
> I had a client from hell. Indian guy...IT director.
> Fired his employee....then a lawsuit ensued (OF COURSE !!).
> I got hired to pick up that work. It was crap (heard this before ?).
> I worked like a madman to learn their business, their operations,
> etc....there was no documentation (heard this before ?)
> The Access database was in need of a total rewrite. No time for that (heard
> this before ?)
>
> So I kept on working....without getting paid.
> Then they fired me, just when I had finished it all.
> Asked for their really expensive laptop back.
> I REFUSED to give it back without being paid.
>
> Agency stepped in....called for a demo.
> I demoed, they were happy, I got paid...on-the-spot, in full.
>
> I was contacted to do some enhancements, they didn't like my price or time
> estimates...
> so I never heard from them again.
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Dec 22 12:35:38 2011
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:35:38 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
Message-ID: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>


Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1

Pat     Date       Result
A1     01-01-11    15
A1     10-10-11     7
A1     11-11-11     6

When i use the query: 

SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;

Then is stil have these three records because of the Result

What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what value there is for result

Pat     LastDate         Result
A1     11-11-11           6


I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
Is has to been done with a subquery.

Who can help me?

Thanks

Pedro


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 06:05:26 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:05:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jdj66N4wOGrtPDNg2=Amm9fF9aGBDzHaTZW5Z9=++d4A@mail.gmail.com>

I think what you want is this:

SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;

HTH,
Arthur

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:

>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat     Date       Result
> A1     01-01-11    15
> A1     10-10-11     7
> A1     11-11-11     6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> value there is for result
>
> Pat     LastDate         Result
> A1     11-11-11           6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 08:03:57 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:03:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pKyxRbCn-0jUcbCFXHTcsEBjwa-wBaCFcU3ATbcgP1grQ@mail.gmail.com>

Remove the tbl1.Result from the Group By so you only group by Pat.

GK

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM,  <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat ? ? Date ? ? ? Result
> A1 ? ? 01-01-11 ? ?15
> A1 ? ? 10-10-11 ? ? 7
> A1 ? ? 11-11-11 ? ? 6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what value there is for result
>
> Pat ? ? LastDate ? ? ? ? Result
> A1 ? ? 11-11-11 ? ? ? ? ? 6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com



From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 08:46:51 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:46:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V6miPMSW+poSnDyxm-5XyZkh7QBL7hkENQyJEwQvSqCoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<01b201ccc010$7a2b75a0$6e8260e0$@comcast.net>
	<013d01ccc018$d7d6abe0$878403a0$@net>
	<C596BD2E49754FAE9A1B3572CA3BB90D@SusanHarkins>
	<002d01ccc024$60a4a3e0$21edeba0$@net>
	<68DF983B3EAA4100B1D9DC34604D1AFC@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1hzEOdHnkeJW85t4bxeoSYt=DimbY3ps8zt9MK00YHubw@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401ccc060$00acf4b0$0206de10$@net>
	<CAGuQ9V6miPMSW+poSnDyxm-5XyZkh7QBL7hkENQyJEwQvSqCoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007801ccc0b8$8b0e2fe0$a12a8fa0$@net>

> When it comes to love you never forget your first. But in the working
> world you never forget your worst, eh Mark?

I just love that quip Bill.




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 11:02:06 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:02:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5x+PH0u2K25quE7BLy2H+q-kt1hrXdJP8AAiNuOwOj_g@mail.gmail.com>

Ill go out on a limb and suppose that you really meant the Max date since
the sample data was in ascending date order.

Select tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result from Tbl1 where tbl1.date =(Select
Max(t2.Date) From Tbl1 as t2 Where t2.Pat = Tbl1.Pat)

That is "air code" I have not tested it.
On Dec 22, 2011 6:39 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:

>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat     Date       Result
> A1     01-01-11    15
> A1     10-10-11     7
> A1     11-11-11     6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> value there is for result
>
> Pat     LastDate         Result
> A1     11-11-11           6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 11:02:31 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:02:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>

Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
the original developer would use the Format function to round a large series
of individual values,
 and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
Ex: .55+.55=1.1
His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
Ex: .6+.6=1.2
In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !

And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
unit.

Wowzer indeed.





From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 11:13:33 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:13:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<000101ccc0cb$7e9a7e90$7bcf7bb0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6yVM2jAeqL2d5CNS-ixKz-TvspQhNgHNmNCJtmzZgB5A@mail.gmail.com>

I am sure that they are losing so much money that most of their thinking
investors and auditors have abandoned and the fools who remain don't know
the difference between a balance sheet that adds up and one that doesn't.
On Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large
> series
> of individual values,
>  and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
> unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.
>
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 11:17:27 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:17:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pKyxRbCn-0jUcbCFXHTcsEBjwa-wBaCFcU3ATbcgP1grQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201112221135.pBMBZcol009844@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<CAJ2R_pKyxRbCn-0jUcbCFXHTcsEBjwa-wBaCFcU3ATbcgP1grQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWbW8zDmgnpuTsww5FyfbqAcJ4a=5MeqE8yY18-1k=gA4w@mail.gmail.com>

SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
INNER JOIN (SELECT Max(tbl1.Date) AS MaxDate FROM tbl1) B
ON tbl1.Date = B.MaxDate
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;


The only thing to warn you about Pedro is if you have more than one record
with the same last date.

For instance.

A1 01/01/11 6
B1 01/01/11 5


Also "Date" is a bad name for a field name as it is a reserved word.

HTH
David McAfee


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 22 11:31:48 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:31:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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BACKUP the original!!!  You need to be able to prove that the old sucked and the new... sucks 
less... (you can only fix what you find).

Then you need to start a document of each thing like this that you find.  It will provide a huge 
evidence base for when you present the case for "your application sucks and this is why it takes so 
long to get it working".

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/22/2011 12:02 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large series
> of individual values,
>   and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
> unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.
>
>
>



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 22 12:26:48 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:26:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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ABSOLUTELY!!!  John is right on!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/22/2011 12:31 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> BACKUP the original!!!  You need to be able to prove that the old 
> sucked and the new... sucks less... (you can only fix what you find).
>
> Then you need to start a document of each thing like this that you 
> find.  It will provide a huge evidence base for when you present the 
> case for "your application sucks and this is why it takes so long to 
> get it working".
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/22/2011 12:02 PM, Mark Simms wrote:
>> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
>> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large 
>> series
>> of individual values,
>>   and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
>> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
>> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
>> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
>> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
>> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>>
>> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main 
>> processing
>> unit.
>>
>> Wowzer indeed.
>>
>>
>>
>


From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Thu Dec 22 14:20:45 2011
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:20:45 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
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Agreed.  Assuming you mean the most recent date, i.e. Max rather than Last, 
then Arthur's suggestion is how I would do it.

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Last Date Query

I think what you want is this:

SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1
ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;

HTH,
Arthur

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:

>
> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>
> Pat     Date       Result
> A1     01-01-11    15
> A1     10-10-11     7
> A1     11-11-11     6
>
> When i use the query:
>
> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>
> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>
> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> value there is for result
>
> Pat     LastDate         Result
> A1     11-11-11           6
>
>
> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>
> Who can help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
> --



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec 22 14:42:41 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 06:42:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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It depends on the situation.

If you are rounding prices to the nearest 10c, accountants don't like accounts that show  :

Item 1  0.60
Item 2  0.60
============
Total   1.10

If you want the total to equal the sum of all of the line items, you need to round each item 
(using either ROUND() or FORMAT(). and sum the rounded result.   That is standard 
practice in accounting.

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Dec 2011 at 12:02, Mark Simms wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers,
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large series
> of individual values,
>  and then total-up the rounded results instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
> 
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main processing
> unit.
> 
> Wowzer indeed.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 22 14:54:08 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:54:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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It is also standard practice to use a datatype appropriate for currency.  That is why currency data 
types exist.  It is also standard practice in banking to round 1/2 of the numbers up and the other down.

But that is a discussion for another day.

;)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/22/2011 3:42 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> It depends on the situation.
>
> If you are rounding prices to the nearest 10c, accountants don't like accounts that show  :
>
> Item 1  0.60
> Item 2  0.60
> ============
> Total   1.10
>
> If you want the total to equal the sum of all of the line items, you need to round each item
> (using either ROUND() or FORMAT(). and sum the rounded result.   That is standard
> practice in accounting.
>



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec 22 15:39:28 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 07:39:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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How do you do that in Excel?   

ALL numbers in  Excel are stored as Doubles, you can only change the display - not the 
storage format.

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Dec 2011 at 15:54, jwcolby wrote:

> It is also standard practice to use a datatype appropriate for currency.  That is why currency data 
> types exist. 



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 15:49:26 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:49:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
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Since now two posts have been made since I offered my idea that what was
really wanted was Max.... and neither commented one way or another on my
query .... what was incorrect about how I did it?
On Dec 22, 2011 3:22 PM, "Steve Schapel" <steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz>
wrote:

> Agreed.  Assuming you mean the most recent date, i.e. Max rather than
> Last, then Arthur's suggestion is how I would do it.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Last Date Query
>
> I think what you want is this:
>
> SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> FROM tbl1
> ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;
>
> HTH,
> Arthur
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
>
>
>> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
>>
>> Pat     Date       Result
>> A1     01-01-11    15
>> A1     10-10-11     7
>> A1     11-11-11     6
>>
>> When i use the query:
>>
>> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
>> FROM tbl1
>> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
>>
>> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
>>
>> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
>> value there is for result
>>
>> Pat     LastDate         Result
>> A1     11-11-11           6
>>
>>
>> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
>> Is has to been done with a subquery.
>>
>> Who can help me?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Pedro
>> --
>>
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 16:02:59 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 14:02:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
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Nothing, I think that would work, and would also return more than one
record as my suggestion would, if there were indeed more than one record on
that max date.

D

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:49 PM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> Since now two posts have been made since I offered my idea that what was
> really wanted was Max.... and neither commented one way or another on my
> query .... what was incorrect about how I did it?
> On Dec 22, 2011 3:22 PM, "Steve Schapel" <
> steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz>
> wrote:
>
> > Agreed.  Assuming you mean the most recent date, i.e. Max rather than
> > Last, then Arthur's suggestion is how I would do it.
> >
> > Regards
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:05 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Last Date Query
> >
> > I think what you want is this:
> >
> > SELECT TOP 1 tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Date AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> > FROM tbl1
> > ORDER BY tbl1.Date DESC;
> >
> > HTH,
> > Arthur
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:35 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hello Group, i want the last dat from tbl1
> >>
> >> Pat     Date       Result
> >> A1     01-01-11    15
> >> A1     10-10-11     7
> >> A1     11-11-11     6
> >>
> >> When i use the query:
> >>
> >> SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
> >> FROM tbl1
> >> GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;
> >>
> >> Then is stil have these three records because of the Result
> >>
> >> What i need is only record that is really the last date, regardless what
> >> value there is for result
> >>
> >> Pat     LastDate         Result
> >> A1     11-11-11           6
> >>
> >>
> >> I have done this before, but i can't remember how.
> >> Is has to been done with a subquery.
> >>
> >> Who can help me?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Pedro
> >> --
> >>
> >
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 16:28:21 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:28:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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In my last role I saw a similar issue when one of the developers was trying to group data which contained decimals into the nearest whole number (up or down) to determine the band.  He was using the INT function which he didn't understand at all (from what I can tell).

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).  Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error.

That said, I am not perfect with these things either and have made plenty of similar errors over the years.  Guess it shows the importance of getting everything tested by a whole group of different (and skilled) folks.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 4:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

I am sure that they are losing so much money that most of their thinking investors and auditors have abandoned and the fools who remain don't know the difference between a balance sheet that adds up and one that doesn't.
On Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers, 
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large 
> series of individual values,  and then total-up the rounded results 
> instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main 
> processing unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.
>
>
>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 16:59:47 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:59:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Thanks John - exactly. I hit them with it and they were shocked.
Keep in mind, I had to really push them to do this remediation....
they were dragging and kicking their feet.

>
> BACKUP the original!!!  You need to be able to prove that the old
> sucked and the new... sucks
> less... (you can only fix what you find).
>
> Then you need to start a document of each thing like this that you
> find.  It will provide a huge
> evidence base for when you present the case for "your application sucks
> and this is why it takes so
> long to get it working".
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting




From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 17:06:24 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:06:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Omigosh, this one is a great story for the EUSprig group...they track all
business-related spreadsheet disasters that have a financial consequence. So
let me get this straight, their scaling went like 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, etc ?
So that required a special rounding function....rounding to the nearest 0.5.
So 1.26 would go to 1.5, 1.75 would go to 2.0....correct ?

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk
matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be
regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were
returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a
risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).
Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk
profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error





From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 17:36:46 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:36:46 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Hi Mark,

They had four risk bands (1-4) with each band having a heavier weighting to compensate for the higher risk.  There were also four questions (the matching 4's with the questions and banding is a coincidence and not related at all - althought the 4 questions within each combobox is related to the risk banding scale).

In this instance it related to property insurance (mainly for fire risk) so the questions were about type of construction, roof,  interior and how old the wiring and plumbing was.  You get the idea. - it was fairly high level stuff.

The maths worked like this.  Each of the 4 questions had 4 possible responses.  The 4 responses were scaled from 1 to 4 depending on how risky they were.  The sum of the four responses were divided by 4 to give a risk band rating.  As the division can result in non-integers the value needed to be rounded up or down to the nearest whole to give the correct rating.

For example.  If the responses were
1
1
2
3
(Total of 7)
7/4 = 1.75

So this customer should be paying the rate from risk band 2.  However the code was doing this

INT(7/4) to make the integer which would always return a 1 regardless.  The only time you would ever get a 2 rating was if the result was > than 2 already.  So they were underquoting on their risk for many of their clients.  This was really bad for when high level rating 3 types were not being rated as 4 (some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3 would be returned).

Had a fun one at an oil company with rounding and zeros too.  Story for another day.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 10:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

Omigosh, this one is a great story for the EUSprig group...they track all business-related spreadsheet disasters that have a financial consequence. So let me get this straight, their scaling went like 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, etc ?
So that required a special rounding function....rounding to the nearest 0.5.
So 1.26 would go to 1.5, 1.75 would go to 2.0....correct ?

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).
Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error



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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 19:26:58 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:26:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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(some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3
would be returned).

A disasterous conclusion IMHO.




From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 19:35:01 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:35:01 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Yes... Fully agree. They (the portfolio risk manager) were really unhappy as the business had already been written, the risk paid for by the client.  Nothing they could do except wait out the term of the agreement.

of course then it puts them in the situation next year when the client want to renew and the business manager now has to decline it.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 12:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

(some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3 would be returned).

A disasterous conclusion IMHO.


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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 20:56:51 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:56:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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I think when i used to prepare financial statements it was always an art to
get all the numbers to round correctly. I had a finance manager who was
awesome at it. Naturally formulas went both across and down and all the
numbers had the same precision as well as formatting. But the guy could
make little adjustments here and there and always get it to come out
perfectly. I'd spend hours and still never get things to balance.

Personally I would prefer if all numbers went on the sheet with all the
precision they merit,  without concern whether formatted numbers add up to
the foematted total. But I guess perception is reality and if the financial
statements look like they don't add up people question the processes that
underlie them.

Thing is, while you're doing year-end stuff you make changes all the time
to final numbers ... so you start the adjustment dance all over.

I dont mimd formatting but i feel rounding raw numbers and even
intermediate results evil and I hate it. Figures never lie but liars must
always figure.
On Dec 22, 2011 8:36 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Yes... Fully agree. They (the portfolio risk manager) were really unhappy
> as the business had already been written, the risk paid for by the client.
>  Nothing they could do except wait out the term of the agreement.
>
> of course then it puts them in the situation next year when the client
> want to renew and the business manager now has to decline it.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 12:27 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
>
> (some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as a 3
> would be returned).
>
> A disasterous conclusion IMHO.
>
>
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From darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au  Thu Dec 22 21:10:07 2011
From: darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:10:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
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Yes, rounding was the oil company problem as well.

In short the Aussie HO used to look after all the deliveries to all the piddly little Pacific Islands (right out to Guam etc).  A lot of these places would only want less than 500,000 BOE delivered each time the ship showed up.

Say Island X wanted 250,000 K of BOE this month.

In the Spreadsheet used to track all this stuff the girl would key in 250,000 BOE but the workbook was rounded to display millions of BOE as the minimum display (fair enough I guess as most places do use millions and millions of BOE).

Anyway, as expected the 250K would show as Zero in the workbook.  Of course whilst the data was in XL the reports would still calculate correctly as the underlying value was indeed 250K, even though it was displayed as zero.

But of course they used SAP for their accounting and control.  So what happened was the girl would print out her Spreadsheet, send it to another dept who would then (re)key the data into SAP.  Suddenly all those little oil deliveries were being entered as Zeros, not their real amounts.

BAM! Big problem as millions of BOE started to vanish from the system.

Easy enough to fix once I tracked down where the problem was (I ended up showing them how push the data from XL directly into SAP without all the printing, internal mail and rekeying business and also modded the format to show a different format if the zero value was not a true zero.

Rounding and formats.  Approach with some caution I say.

Cheers
Darryl.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 1:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

I think when i used to prepare financial statements it was always an art to get all the numbers to round correctly. I had a finance manager who was awesome at it. Naturally formulas went both across and down and all the numbers had the same precision as well as formatting. But the guy could make little adjustments here and there and always get it to come out perfectly. I'd spend hours and still never get things to balance.

Personally I would prefer if all numbers went on the sheet with all the precision they merit,  without concern whether formatted numbers add up to the foematted total. But I guess perception is reality and if the financial statements look like they don't add up people question the processes that underlie them.

Thing is, while you're doing year-end stuff you make changes all the time to final numbers ... so you start the adjustment dance all over.

I dont mimd formatting but i feel rounding raw numbers and even intermediate results evil and I hate it. Figures never lie but liars must always figure.
On Dec 22, 2011 8:36 PM, "Darryl Collins" <darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au>
wrote:

> Yes... Fully agree. They (the portfolio risk manager) were really 
> unhappy as the business had already been written, the risk paid for by the client.
>  Nothing they could do except wait out the term of the agreement.
>
> of course then it puts them in the situation next year when the client 
> want to renew and the business manager now has to decline it.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 12:27 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
>
> (some 4's would be a decline, but they would have taken on the risk as 
> a 3 would be returned).
>
> A disasterous conclusion IMHO.
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 02:18:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:18:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
Message-ID: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>

I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application and the file(s) that make 
it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The recordset opened then 
defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute, and then opens that app.

It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and running and CopyAndExecute 
closes.

Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 23 04:01:31 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:01:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk>

Hi Darryl et al

Sorry to destroy the party, but all it takes is well defined criteria (business rules) - which seems to have been present here and trivial too - as well as a skilled programmer in this area - no guru or genius is required. If you deal with calculations and feel you can't handle rounding properly, you should put this item on the agenda to fill one of the empty(!) spaces in the upcoming Christmas holiday season. It isn't difficult at all.

Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function Round is not the answer to any serious task:

http://www.xbeat.net/vbspeed/c_Round.htm#Round16

And don't forget: Math is fun!

/gustav


>>> darryl at whittleconsulting.com.au 22-12-2011 23:28 >>>
In my last role I saw a similar issue when one of the developers was trying to group data which contained decimals into the nearest whole number (up or down) to determine the band.  He was using the INT function which he didn't understand at all (from what I can tell).

The issue was a series of 4 questions would return a value based on a risk matrix.  So you would have a value like 1.99 or 1.67 and it would all be regrouped as a 1.  They were wondering why their rating engine were returning screwy results (it was basically a risk scale so anything with a risk rating >= 1.5 should have been priced using risk band 2 for example).  Given that this data was used to price customer quotes based on their risk profiles they were underquoting consistently until I spotted the error.

That said, I am not perfect with these things either and have made plenty of similar errors over the years.  Guess it shows the importance of getting everything tested by a whole group of different (and skilled) folks.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 4:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one

I am sure that they are losing so much money that most of their thinking investors and auditors have abandoned and the fools who remain don't know the difference between a balance sheet that adds up and one that doesn't.
On Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM, "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Instead of using the number format to properly display the numbers, 
> the original developer would use the Format function to round a large 
> series of individual values,  and then total-up the rounded results 
> instead of the original values.
> As you are aware, precision is likely lost in doing it this way.
> Ex: .55+.55=1.1
> His method would be to first "round-up" the .55 to .6:
> Ex: .6+.6=1.2
> In this case, the total is now "off" by almost 10% !
>
> And...this is a vital model that helps to run the company's main 
> processing unit.
>
> Wowzer indeed.




From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Dec 23 13:01:41 2011
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:01:41 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Last Date Query
Message-ID: <201112231201.pBNC1fGY024467@mailhostC.plex.net>

Dear group,

thanks for all the help.
I have tried all the suggestions.
Also i have added some records to the test-table, to exclude double dates etc.

Here is the test table:

Pat             Date                 Result
A1              1-1-20111            5
A1             10-10-2011            7
A1             11-11-2011            8
A1             11-11-2011            6
B2               4-4-2011            6
B2               5-5-2011            3
B2               1-1-2011           15
B2               1-1-2011            4
B2               5-5-2011            5
B2               5-5-2011            1

The result shout be: 

Pat           LastDate           Result
A1            11-11-2011          8
B2             5-5-2011           5



Here are the result given by the groupmembers, with the result en at last the correct solution.
 

1--------------



SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, Last(tbl1.Result) AS LastResult
FROM tbl1
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat;

Pat              LastDate            LastResult
A1               11-11-2011          6
B2                5-5-2011           1



2---------------  



SELECT tbl1.Pat, Max(tbl1.Date) AS MaxDate, Max(tbl1.Result) AS MaxResult
FROM tbl1
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat;

Pat                MaxDate             MaxResult
A1                 11-11-2011          8
B2                   5-5-2011          6
 


3---------------



SELECT tbl1.Pat, Last(tbl1.Date) AS LastDate, tbl1.Result
FROM tbl1 
INNER JOIN (SELECT Max(tbl1.Date) AS MaxDate FROM tbl1)  B ON tbl1.Date=B.MaxDate
GROUP BY tbl1.Pat, tbl1.Result;

Pat               LastDate              Result
A1                 11-11-2011           6
A1                 11-11-2011           8



4-------------



SELECT Tbl1.Pat, Tbl1.Date, Tbl1.Result
FROM Tbl1
WHERE (((Tbl1.Date)=(Select Max(t2.Date) From Tbl1 as t2 Where t2.Pat = Tbl1.Pat)));


Pat          Date                Result
A1           11-11-2011          8
A1           11-11-2011          6
B2            5-5-2011           3
B2            5-5-2011           5
B2            5-5-2011           1

This solution from Wiliam gives me the all the results with the last date.


These i can easily query by:

SELECT Query5.Pat, Query5.Date, Max(Query5.Result) AS MaxVanResult
FROM Query5
GROUP BY Query5.Pat, Query5.Date;

Pat           Date               MaxVanResult
A1            11-11-2011          8
B2              5-5-2011          5


Thanks en best wishes

Pedro


p.s.  David, normally i never use "date" as a fieldname. I was just for this example.




From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec 23 07:27:39 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:27:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>

Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?

> Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> Round is not the answer to any serious task:
>
>
> /gustav




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 09:34:48 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:34:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
Message-ID: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>

I am beginning the long hard task of migrating a client from Access data stores (many many) to SQL 
Server.  This is my client, the data is mostly mine etc.  The client is on board that we do this and 
in fact is investing in the server, OS and SQL Server software to do this.

My problem is that while I have used SQL Server a ton over the last few years it has not been in the 
normal parent / child / grandchild, enforce referential integrity, enforce uniqueness and all that 
jazz.  So I need to learn some stuff like how to enforce unique values in a column.

I also need to discover how to migrate data from Access to SQL Server.  The data migration wizard in 
SQL Server is actually quite good however AFAICT it does not pull relationships in, in fact it does 
not even capture the fact that the PK is an autonumber and PK.  It also seems to default to nvarchar 
whereas I prefer varchar.

Thus importing data using that wizard does work but it is pretty labor intensive fixing up the 
identity and setting the PK to a PK, editing mappings and so forth.

I would like to start a thread on this aspect of moving to SQL Server.  What has been your 
experience in this data migration, what tools have you used, what gotchas have you run into etc.

Thanks,

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec 23 10:05:04 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:05:04 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]
 =?utf-8?q?My_Excel_project=2E=2E=2Eyou_won=27t_believe_?=
 =?utf-8?q?this_one?=
In-Reply-To: <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
Message-ID: <E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>

Hi Mark, Gustav at all --

> Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
They didn't.

> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
Yes, the do.

 Access 2010:

?round(2.5)
 2 
?format(2.5, "0")
3

Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:

http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html

or even earlier...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> 
> > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> >
> >
> > /gustav
> 
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Dec 23 10:05:07 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:05:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

John,

I've done like you describe with just importing the tables, doing all
the fixing up of the tables, relationships, etc... afterwards.  Not fun,
especially with lots of tables, but that was back on Access 97 and SQL
2000.

Have you looked that the SQL Server Migration Assistant (SSMA) at
Microsoft?

http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
x#Access


Here's an old article (July 2003) from Susan Harkins about using the
Upsizing Wizard in Access 2003, probably outdated for newer versions of
SQL Server

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/upsizing-an-existing-microsoft-acces
s-database/5035130


HTH

Rusty


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

I am beginning the long hard task of migrating a client from Access data
stores (many many) to SQL Server.  This is my client, the data is mostly
mine etc.  The client is on board that we do this and in fact is
investing in the server, OS and SQL Server software to do this.

My problem is that while I have used SQL Server a ton over the last few
years it has not been in the normal parent / child / grandchild, enforce
referential integrity, enforce uniqueness and all that jazz.  So I need
to learn some stuff like how to enforce unique values in a column.

I also need to discover how to migrate data from Access to SQL Server.
The data migration wizard in SQL Server is actually quite good however
AFAICT it does not pull relationships in, in fact it does not even
capture the fact that the PK is an autonumber and PK.  It also seems to
default to nvarchar whereas I prefer varchar.

Thus importing data using that wizard does work but it is pretty labor
intensive fixing up the identity and setting the PK to a PK, editing
mappings and so forth.

I would like to start a thread on this aspect of moving to SQL Server.
What has been your experience in this data migration, what tools have
you used, what gotchas have you run into etc.

Thanks,

--
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 10:26:51 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:26:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>

The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is ... a document on how 
to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that do this.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> x#Access



From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Dec 23 10:42:17 2011
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (Rusty Hammond)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:42:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A442@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>

Looks like the end of the link got wrapped to the next line.  The
x#Access should be at the end of the url.  I was just there so I know it
still exists :-)  

I just googled Microsoft SSMA and the top listing was Free Microsoft SQL
Server Database Migration Assistant.  Once you go there you can click on
the Migration Tool tab.

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's
left is ... a document on how to and links to companies (Microsoft
partners?) that do this.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>
http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> x#Access

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From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Dec 23 10:47:40 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:47:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <015601ccc192$959333e0$c0b99ba0$@comcast.net>

Hi John,

Honestly, I've used SSMA for Access and it was a little funky.  I recently
just used the upsizing wizard in Access and that went fine with one strong
caveat.  I purchased an app named Must for upsizing, and it's better than
using the upsizing wizard in Access - for me it pinpointed a bad date in a
date field which prevented upsizing in Access.  Must does have a little
learning curve so go through that for an hour or so and you'll like it.

You should upsize Indexes, Validation Rules, Defaults, but do not upsize
relationships between tables.  This will give you Triggers and Constraints
which will be intended to duplicate the functionality of a relationship.
That works, but in Diagrams on SQL Server you can create any number of
different table relationship diagrams.  But when you create the diagrams,
you've now duplicated the table relationship functionality with the upsized
Triggers and Constraints.  SQL Server has good screens for creating both
indexes and table relationships, and you should use those.

Also, do add timestamp fields - these will allow 'edited record'
functionality to work in SQL Server.

HTH,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is
... a document on how to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that
do this.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> x#Access

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From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Dec 23 10:52:01 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:52:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A442@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com><49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A442@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
Message-ID: <015a01ccc193$318c66e0$94a534a0$@comcast.net>

And - after you click on the Migration Tool tab you have to select 'Access'
from the dropdown list under the 'migrating from' square.  Otherwise it just
looks like SSMA is only for Oracle to SQL Server.

Maybe today's version is better than the one I used.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Hammond
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

Looks like the end of the link got wrapped to the next line.  The x#Access
should be at the end of the url.  I was just there so I know it still exists
:-)  

I just googled Microsoft SSMA and the top listing was Free Microsoft SQL
Server Database Migration Assistant.  Once you go there you can click on the
Migration Tool tab.

Rusty




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 10:54:44 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:54:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <015601ccc192$959333e0$c0b99ba0$@comcast.net>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
	<015601ccc192$959333e0$c0b99ba0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EF4B254.2030901@colbyconsulting.com>

Must looks pretty cheap.  I might give that a try.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 11:47 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Honestly, I've used SSMA for Access and it was a little funky.  I recently
> just used the upsizing wizard in Access and that went fine with one strong
> caveat.  I purchased an app named Must for upsizing, and it's better than
> using the upsizing wizard in Access - for me it pinpointed a bad date in a
> date field which prevented upsizing in Access.  Must does have a little
> learning curve so go through that for an hour or so and you'll like it.
>
> You should upsize Indexes, Validation Rules, Defaults, but do not upsize
> relationships between tables.  This will give you Triggers and Constraints
> which will be intended to duplicate the functionality of a relationship.
> That works, but in Diagrams on SQL Server you can create any number of
> different table relationship diagrams.  But when you create the diagrams,
> you've now duplicated the table relationship functionality with the upsized
> Triggers and Constraints.  SQL Server has good screens for creating both
> indexes and table relationships, and you should use those.
>
> Also, do add timestamp fields - these will allow 'edited record'
> functionality to work in SQL Server.
>
> HTH,
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:27 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
>
> The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is
> ... a document on how to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that
> do this.
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
>> x#Access
>



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Dec 23 12:51:49 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:51:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4B6F63DA6C5C4180A0185048B6E2593A@XPS>

John,

 For some great tips on using Access with SQL Server, download "Best of both
worlds" from here:

http://www.jstreettech.com/cartgenie/pg_developerDownloads.asp


 Also not sure if it was you or someone else that posted a MSKB/MSDN link
that had tons on the deep internals of how Access uses a unique key with
table linking and how you could control it in Access.  I'll have to dig for
that one.

  I know it was posted to the list at one point (pretty sure I posted the
above link as well in the past, but it's worth a re-post).

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Migrate to SQL Server

I am beginning the long hard task of migrating a client from Access data
stores (many many) to SQL 
Server.  This is my client, the data is mostly mine etc.  The client is on
board that we do this and 
in fact is investing in the server, OS and SQL Server software to do this.

My problem is that while I have used SQL Server a ton over the last few
years it has not been in the 
normal parent / child / grandchild, enforce referential integrity, enforce
uniqueness and all that 
jazz.  So I need to learn some stuff like how to enforce unique values in a
column.

I also need to discover how to migrate data from Access to SQL Server.  The
data migration wizard in 
SQL Server is actually quite good however AFAICT it does not pull
relationships in, in fact it does 
not even capture the fact that the PK is an autonumber and PK.  It also
seems to default to nvarchar 
whereas I prefer varchar.

Thus importing data using that wizard does work but it is pretty labor
intensive fixing up the 
identity and setting the PK to a PK, editing mappings and so forth.

I would like to start a thread on this aspect of moving to SQL Server.  What
has been your 
experience in this data migration, what tools have you used, what gotchas
have you run into etc.

Thanks,

-- 
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Colby Consulting

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 14:31:21 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:31:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
Message-ID: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>

I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a string in another text box. 
  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access is a constant directory 
location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.

However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update) so the string I am 
building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the 
'\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this 
behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.

Any thoughts?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From guss at beechnutconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 14:46:15 2011
From: guss at beechnutconsulting.com (Guss Ginsburg)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:46:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00a101ccc1b3$ea35e890$bea1b9b0$@beechnutconsulting.com>

John,

I usually accomplish this by using the AfterUpdate event.  If the entry is
bound to a field then you may want to do validation testing on the entry
(such as "is it null?", etc) in the before update event.  Once validated,
the after update event can populate the derived value into txtB.


Sincerely yours,
 
Guss Ginsburg
Beechnut Consulting Services



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 2:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null

I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
string in another text box. 
  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access
is a constant directory location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' &
txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.

However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update)
so the string I am building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being
inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the '\'.  I thought I was going to use
txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this behavior and
don't quite know how to work around it.

Any thoughts?

--
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Colby Consulting

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Dec 23 14:58:49 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:58:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <63C61366D5D745588E069510909C22B9@XPS>


 Until the control is updated, you need to grab the value in the buffer with
the .Text property.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 03:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null

I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
string in another text box. 
  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access
is a constant directory 
location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.

However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update)
so the string I am 
building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the
'C:\Access\' and the 
'\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never
really knew about this 
behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.

Any thoughts?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec 23 15:00:09 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:00:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Try this:

Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
    txtB = "C:\Access\" & txtA.Text & IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
End Sub

-- 
Stuart

On 23 Dec 2011 at 15:31, jwcolby wrote:

> I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a string in another text box. 
>   IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access is a constant directory 
> location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.
> 
> However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update) so the string I am 
> building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the 
> '\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this 
> behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec 23 15:04:31 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 01:04:31 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Migrate_to_SQL_Server?=
In-Reply-To: <4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF49F98.5030909@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A43E@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<4EF4ABCB.2070008@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E1ReCI3-00044z-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f250.mail.ru>

Hi John at all --

> The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  
It didn't.

I have just used MS Access 2010 and its Database Tools -> SQL Server feature to get upsized my customer model MS Access database into MS SQL Server 2008 R2 database.
All worked flawlessly: 

- autonumbers went upsized into identity fields,
- relationships - into DRI (option to be selected in upsizing setup dialog),
....

Here is screenshot of relationships diagrams, the one for MS SQL was built  and arranged automatically after I have added all the tables to a new empty MS SQL Database Diagram:

http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/fm.png

Thank you.

-- Shamil



23 ??????? 2011, 20:29 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> The SQL Server migration tool seems to have disappeared.  All that's left is ... a document on how
> to and links to companies (Microsoft partners?) that do this.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/23/2011 11:05 AM, Rusty Hammond wrote:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/en/us/product-info/migration-tool.asp
> > x#Access
> 
> --> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 15:45:38 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:45:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8987n_OPMCj6mE__DqsJ4EnQoBDBr0Ukm6+WBESQB46Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure value will work the way you want it to, but you might try
using the beforeupdate of the first textbox to write the text in the box
(not the value) to the second textbox.  I may be confusing VB.Net and VBA,
so don't take my advice as gospel.

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
> string in another text box.  IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to
> 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access is a constant directory location and I am
> inserting 'C:\Access\' & txtA.Value & '\' into txtB.
>
> However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after
> update) so the string I am building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null
> is being inserted between the 'C:\Access\' and the '\'.  I thought I was
> going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never really knew about this
> behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 15:52:46 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:52:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <63C61366D5D745588E069510909C22B9@XPS>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
	<63C61366D5D745588E069510909C22B9@XPS>
Message-ID: <4EF4F82E.8010903@colbyconsulting.com>

OK, thanks.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 3:58 PM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>
>   Until the control is updated, you need to grab the value in the buffer with
> the .Text property.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 03:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
>
> I am trying to use the value of a text box I am typing into to create a
> string in another text box.
>    IOW I type 'a' in txt1 and txt2 is set to 'C:\Access\a\'.  The C:\Access
> is a constant directory
> location and I am inserting 'C:\Access\'&  txtA.Value&  '\' into txtB.
>
> However txtA.Value is NULL! until I move out of the text box (after update)
> so the string I am
> building looks like 'C:\Access\\' since a null is being inserted between the
> 'C:\Access\' and the
> '\'.  I thought I was going to use txtA.OnKeyDown etc.  No dice.  I never
> really knew about this
> behavior and don't quite know how to work around it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 21:42:48 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:42:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
	<E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>

Ok good article ... seems to have been written before ac2010 but I am
certainly willing to believe that VBA does no better job of these things
than it ever did. THAT SAID... my hope (and trust) is that the Excel
interface and its functions would do a better job with calculations.
Wherever possible I try to use the worksheet to do as much work as
possible. Is that a mistake? I would hate to think I really need to be
adding such tedious Udfs to formulas just to get accurate results

??
On Dec 23, 2011 11:06 AM, "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Mark, Gustav at all --
>
> > Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
> They didn't.
>
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
> Yes, the do.
>
>  Access 2010:
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html
>
> or even earlier...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> 23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> > Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> >
> > > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> > >
> > >
> > > /gustav
> >
> > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Dec 23 23:45:51 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 00:45:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Further to libraries
Message-ID: <4EF5670F.2050505@colbyconsulting.com>

Libraries solve a problem of making fixes and enhancements in one location.  They create another 
problem which is having to test all the applications that use the library to ensure that they all 
work with the libs before releasing the libs for general use.

The reality is that software is so complex that a problem may be found even after "the tests" which 
may mean backing out the lib (or the app).  One way of dealing with that is to have a directory with 
all of the files required to run the app including the libs.  When any of the required files is 
updated, zip up all of the files and replace whatever files.  If a problem is found down the road, 
unzip all of the files to be back at the previous state.


-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 01:29:03 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 02:29:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5dh4t3MKkG+ghKEG3D1VGAR2F_Mu91YNdPd5YzLf_ThQ@mail.gmail.com>

I guess even the brief time the application is visible between

SET MYACCESS = NEW ACCESS.APPLICATION
MYACCESS.VISIBLE = FALSE

is not acceptable?
On Dec 23, 2011 3:21 AM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
> and the file(s) that make it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.
>  A shortcut opens the access CopyAndExecute.mdb and passes in a command
> line argument which is looked up in a table.  The recordset opened then
> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
> and then opens that app.
>
> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
> invisible.  ATM it opens as a normal Access application which can be seen
> until the target FE is up and running and CopyAndExecute closes.
>
> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 24 03:46:04 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:46:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You need two steps:

1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec macro:
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const SW_HIDE = 0
Const SW_NORMAL = 1
Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3

Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
  (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long

Function Startup() As Long
   Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
End Function

By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that flash, create a shortcut 
to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open your application via 
the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.

-- 
Stuart


On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:

> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application and the file(s) that make 
> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The recordset opened then 
> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute, and then opens that app.
> 
> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and running and CopyAndExecute 
> closes.
> 
> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 





From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 06:39:55 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:39:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>

But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
original plan?? 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access

You need two steps:

1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
macro:
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const SW_HIDE = 0
Const SW_NORMAL = 1
Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3

Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
  (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long

Function Startup() As Long
   Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
End Function

By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
flash, create a shortcut 
to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
your application via 
the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.

-- 
Stuart


On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:

> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
and the file(s) that make 
> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
recordset opened then 
> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
and then opens that app.
> 
> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
running and CopyAndExecute 
> closes.
> 
> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 24 09:31:24 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:31:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef5fe68.016@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Round is and has always been buggy. It is not the same as it will never fit a purpose but for serious use it is not reliable.

>From that site (from the link) you can run the test for any custom rounding function. As noted - and (still) to the surprise for many - the only function of VB(A) and Access Basic (version 2.0) too - that performs correct 4/5 rounding is Format. All the Cxxx converter functions perform Banker's Rounding which is not "wrong", just not "clean" 4/5 rounding as you learned in school.

/gustav

>>> marksimms at verizon.net 23-12-2011 14:27 >>>
Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?

> Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> Round is not the answer to any serious task:
>
>
> /gustav





From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 24 09:35:46 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:35:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef5ff77.017@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Well, that article is more about the normal precautions to take when dealing with floating point numbers more than rounding issues.

It is with rounding as with many other tasks that many methods exist and no one is wrong. It all depends.

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 23-12-2011 17:05 >>>
Hi Mark, Gustav at all --

> Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
They didn't.

> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
Yes, the do.

 Access 2010:

?round(2.5)
 2 
?format(2.5, "0")
3

Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:

http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html 

or even earlier...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> 
> > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> >
> >
> > /gustav





From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 24 09:40:42 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:40:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>

Hi all

On this evening - Merry Christmas to all after another year with a lot of learning experiences and input at this list (and its sister lists) which still stands out from all the other fora you and I join.
Thanks to all!

/gustav




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 09:39:13 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:39:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <sef5ff77.017@cactus.dk>
References: <sef5ff77.017@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6G2MJz=WeiVnJR91wSgN-WPvfBo-8yMgbQQw6UiuJ8Bg@mail.gmail.com>

I disagree Gustav (and I don't like to disagree with you! Especially at
Christmas time :)

Any time you cannot guarantee a reliable result by your methods.... and are
not knowledgable or willing to inform your users under what conditions they
can expect results to be proper or improper...  that is wrong.
On Dec 24, 2011 10:31 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
>
> Well, that article is more about the normal precautions to take when
> dealing with floating point numbers more than rounding issues.
>
> It is with rounding as with many other tasks that many methods exist and
> no one is wrong. It all depends.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 23-12-2011 17:05 >>>
> Hi Mark, Gustav at all --
>
> > Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
> They didn't.
>
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
> Yes, the do.
>
>  Access 2010:
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html
>
> or even earlier...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> 23 ??????? 2011, 17:29 ?? "Mark Simms" <marksimms at verizon.net>:
> > Thanks Gustav. Once again, we've got versions 2003, 2007, 2010.
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results ?
> >
> > > Hint: The only native function of VB(A) that handles 4/5 rounding
> > > correctly is Format. It is, however, not very fast so if speed is a
> > > concern you have to run a custom function. And no, the VB(A) function
> > > Round is not the answer to any serious task:
> > >
> > >
> > > /gustav
>
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 11:43:59 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:43:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
 further review
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
References: <AcymxEmh2e+IvRDbRUSouWM2nZ+akwAAD3dw>
	<BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am missing the original message where this EIasT.mdb was described /
offered. Reading this message leaves me curious.  May I ask someone to send
me this link offlist?
On Nov 19, 2011 9:13 AM, "Jack and Pat" <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Dan,
>
>
>
> Further to my (off list) note from late last night, I did a little more
> review. I opened the EIasT.mdb with a breakpoint to allow stepping thru the
> code. In the problem data base, the queries and forms - up to the problem
> form - are all exported as text as expected. After the error, the code
> stops
> on a STOP statement, as it should. If I step through, it continues with the
> next procedure in code and does Import the text that was previously
> exported.
>
>
>
> It seems I have a corrupted Form and that its source can not be retrieved.
> I
> did not find any resolution to the "there isn't enough memory to perform
> this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation again". Seems
> the consensus is to rebuild the form involved.
>
>
>
> So from an EIasT view, I did use the utility against another database and
> all was well. It did build a directory and saved all queries, forms,
> reports
> and nodules (I don't have any macros), It did import all the text. It does
> Compact and Repair. And the database , original and rebuilt are available.
> Good stuuf.
>
>
>
> I'm impressed with your code. No wasted code; very concise. I especially
> like the line numbers in the vba. I take it that is based on your use of
> FMC
> utilities. The progress bars are a nice feature - seems there are lots of
> people trying to build these based on forums I've seen.
>
>
>
> Again, thanks for responding quickly, and thanks for the EIasT code.
> Perhaps it should be made available at databaseadvisors as a utility.
>
>
>
> Jack
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Dec 24 11:58:38 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 11:58:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
	further review
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AcymxEmh2e+IvRDbRUSouWM2nZ+akwAAD3dw>	<BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
	<CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501ccc265$a9f78c40$fde6a4c0$@comcast.net>

Hi William,

I have a version of this that I made for myself.  It works on all objects
except tables.

I can email a copy to you offline if you'd like.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
further review

I am missing the original message where this EIasT.mdb was described /
offered. Reading this message leaves me curious.  May I ask someone to send
me this link offlist?
On Nov 19, 2011 9:13 AM, "Jack and Pat" <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Dan,
>
>
>
> Further to my (off list) note from late last night, I did a little 
> more review. I opened the EIasT.mdb with a breakpoint to allow 
> stepping thru the code. In the problem data base, the queries and 
> forms - up to the problem form - are all exported as text as expected. 
> After the error, the code stops on a STOP statement, as it should. If 
> I step through, it continues with the next procedure in code and does 
> Import the text that was previously exported.
>
>
>
> It seems I have a corrupted Form and that its source can not be retrieved.
> I
> did not find any resolution to the "there isn't enough memory to 
> perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation 
> again". Seems the consensus is to rebuild the form involved.
>
>
>
> So from an EIasT view, I did use the utility against another database 
> and all was well. It did build a directory and saved all queries, 
> forms, reports and nodules (I don't have any macros), It did import 
> all the text. It does Compact and Repair. And the database , original 
> and rebuilt are available.
> Good stuuf.
>
>
>
> I'm impressed with your code. No wasted code; very concise. I 
> especially like the line numbers in the vba. I take it that is based 
> on your use of FMC utilities. The progress bars are a nice feature - 
> seems there are lots of people trying to build these based on forums 
> I've seen.
>
>
>
> Again, thanks for responding quickly, and thanks for the EIasT code.
> Perhaps it should be made available at databaseadvisors as a utility.
>
>
>
> Jack
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 12:01:18 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 13:01:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
 further review
In-Reply-To: <001501ccc265$a9f78c40$fde6a4c0$@comcast.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP9063EC0BB0D0C2F43B024AC4C50@phx.gbl>
	<CAGuQ9V4g=4TBOAR=4HdS5dhSK007J5ObZjqW-mZ_i9w53y7EpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<001501ccc265$a9f78c40$fde6a4c0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6T5B=Pwq5Zk1ScAK8GiCA0FwBcmRqYf_2+pTuz-dp3oQ@mail.gmail.com>

For sure! THANKS IN ADVANCE.
On Dec 24, 2011 1:00 PM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi William,
>
> I have a version of this that I made for myself.  It works on all objects
> except tables.
>
> I can email a copy to you offline if you'd like.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] EatBloat latest version?? availability --- EIasT -
> further review
>
> I am missing the original message where this EIasT.mdb was described /
> offered. Reading this message leaves me curious.  May I ask someone to send
> me this link offlist?
> On Nov 19, 2011 9:13 AM, "Jack and Pat" <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > Dan,
> >
> >
> >
> > Further to my (off list) note from late last night, I did a little
> > more review. I opened the EIasT.mdb with a breakpoint to allow
> > stepping thru the code. In the problem data base, the queries and
> > forms - up to the problem form - are all exported as text as expected.
> > After the error, the code stops on a STOP statement, as it should. If
> > I step through, it continues with the next procedure in code and does
> > Import the text that was previously exported.
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems I have a corrupted Form and that its source can not be
> retrieved.
> > I
> > did not find any resolution to the "there isn't enough memory to
> > perform this operation. Close unneeded programs and try the operation
> > again". Seems the consensus is to rebuild the form involved.
> >
> >
> >
> > So from an EIasT view, I did use the utility against another database
> > and all was well. It did build a directory and saved all queries,
> > forms, reports and nodules (I don't have any macros), It did import
> > all the text. It does Compact and Repair. And the database , original
> > and rebuilt are available.
> > Good stuuf.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm impressed with your code. No wasted code; very concise. I
> > especially like the line numbers in the vba. I take it that is based
> > on your use of FMC utilities. The progress bars are a nice feature -
> > seems there are lots of people trying to build these based on forums
> > I've seen.
> >
> >
> >
> > Again, thanks for responding quickly, and thanks for the EIasT code.
> > Perhaps it should be made available at databaseadvisors as a utility.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Dec 24 13:53:02 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:53:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
	<E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
	<CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004801ccc275$a5cbc9a0$f1635ce0$@net>

Thanks to all who responded...fascinating story of a software behemoth that 
just doesn't care.
I don't want to hear the BS that they couldn't fix it because it would 
something.
Total BS. Just an excuse not to fix.
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html




From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec 24 14:10:45 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:10:45 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>
References: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <24A6411E-585B-4848-86BB-415F617B3AD6@phulse.com>


Glaedelig jul og godt tub'aar. ;)

- Hans



On 2011-12-24, at 7:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> On this evening - Merry Christmas to all after another year with a lot of learning experiences and input at this list (and its sister lists) which still stands out from all the other fora you and I join.
> Thanks to all!
> 
> /gustav
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 24 14:45:22 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 06:45:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and not have the 
CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.


On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
> original plan?? 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
> 
> You need two steps:
> 
> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
> macro:
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> Const SW_HIDE = 0
> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
> 
> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>   (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
> 
> Function Startup() As Long
>    Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
> End Function
> 
> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
> flash, create a shortcut 
> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
> your application via 
> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
> 
> > I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
> and the file(s) that make 
> > it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
> access CopyAndExecute.mdb 
> > and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
> recordset opened then 
> > defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
> and then opens that app.
> > 
> > It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
> invisible.  ATM it opens as a 
> > normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
> running and CopyAndExecute 
> > closes.
> > 
> > Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
> > 
> > -- 
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > 
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> > 
> > -- 
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 24 15:30:27 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:30:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EF64473.3000305@colbyconsulting.com>

Right you are Stuart.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and not have the
> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>
>
> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>
>> But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
>> original plan??
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>
>> You need two steps:
>>
>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>> macro:
>> Option Compare Database
>> Option Explicit
>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>
>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>    (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>
>> Function Startup() As Long
>>     Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>> End Function
>>
>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
>> flash, create a shortcut
>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
>> your application via
>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>>> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
>> and the file(s) that make
>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
>> recordset opened then
>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
>> and then opens that app.
>>>
>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>> closes.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 24 15:41:53 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:41:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>

That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to false and then set the Run 
Minimized attribute and I never even see the CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens 
to say "be patient" and off we go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and not have the
> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>
>
> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>
>> But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was the
>> original plan??
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>
>> You need two steps:
>>
>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>> macro:
>> Option Compare Database
>> Option Explicit
>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>
>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>    (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>
>> Function Startup() As Long
>>     Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>> End Function
>>
>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
>> flash, create a shortcut
>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
>> your application via
>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>>> I have written a small app that allows me to define an access application
>> and the file(s) that make
>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.  The
>> recordset opened then
>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to execute,
>> and then opens that app.
>>>
>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up and
>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>> closes.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>
>>> --
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 15:49:37 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:49:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>

I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
vba?

TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
> and off we go.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>
>> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and
>> not have the
>> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>>
>>
>> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>>
>>  But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was
>>> the
>>> original plan??
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>>
>>> You need two steps:
>>>
>>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>>> macro:
>>> Option Compare Database
>>> Option Explicit
>>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>>
>>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>>   (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>>
>>> Function Startup() As Long
>>>    Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>>> End Function
>>>
>>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of that
>>> flash, create a shortcut
>>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.    Open
>>> your application via
>>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>>
>>>  I have written a small app that allows me to define an access
>>>> application
>>>>
>>> and the file(s) that make
>>>
>>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>>>>
>>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>>
>>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.
>>>>  The
>>>>
>>> recordset opened then
>>>
>>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to
>>>> execute,
>>>>
>>> and then opens that app.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>>>>
>>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>>
>>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up
>>>> and
>>>>
>>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>>
>>>> closes.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>
>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 15:58:44 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:58:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7O-djKTfaZw3b_-VU3jPkeUTWavEjM+AM4HREK4gqgRA@mail.gmail.com>

I guess  I am connecting the wrong dots... when john said "I have written a
small app that allows.... I thought his app calls something else via a
shortcut. He wrote "A shortcut opens the copyandexecute.mdb..." so i
thought this was the first thing his app did. I didnt realize he meant "I
use a shortcut to launch my app which is named CopyandExecute.mdb"

MY FAULT.pay me no mind.
On Dec 24, 2011 4:49 PM, "William Benson" <vbacreations at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
> vba?
>
> TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
> On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>> That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
>> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
>> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
>> and off we go.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> On 12/24/2011 3:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>>
>>> As I understood it, JC wanted to open his CopyExecute via a Shortcut and
>>> not have the
>>> CopyExecute flash up on screen.  My solution does that.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 Dec 2011 at 7:39, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:
>>>
>>>  But that shortcut... how do you execute it from code, which I think was
>>>> the
>>>> original plan??
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:46 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
>>>>
>>>> You need two steps:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Hide on Startup. You can call the following function from an Autoexec
>>>> macro:
>>>> Option Compare Database
>>>> Option Explicit
>>>> Const SW_HIDE = 0
>>>> Const SW_NORMAL = 1
>>>> Const SW_MINIMIZED = 2
>>>> Const SW_MAXIMIZED = 3
>>>>
>>>> Private Declare Function ShowWindow Lib "user32" _
>>>>   (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal nCmdShow As Long) As Long
>>>>
>>>> Function Startup() As Long
>>>>    Call ShowWindow(hWndAccessApp, SW_HIDE)
>>>> End Function
>>>>
>>>> By itself, that shows a flash of Access as it opens.  Tou get rid of
>>>> that
>>>> flash, create a shortcut
>>>> to the Access application, set it's "Run:" property to Minimized.
>>>>  Open
>>>> your application via
>>>> the shortcut and you  shouldn't  see a thing.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23 Dec 2011 at 3:18, jwcolby wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I have written a small app that allows me to define an access
>>>>> application
>>>>>
>>>> and the file(s) that make
>>>>
>>>>> it up, and a destination directory to copy it to.  A shortcut opens the
>>>>>
>>>> access CopyAndExecute.mdb
>>>>
>>>>> and passes in a command line argument which is looked up in a table.
>>>>>  The
>>>>>
>>>> recordset opened then
>>>>
>>>>> defines what files to copy, the source and destination, the FE to
>>>>> execute,
>>>>>
>>>> and then opens that app.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It all is working now however I would like CopyAndExecute to open
>>>>>
>>>> invisible.  ATM it opens as a
>>>>
>>>>> normal Access application which can be seen until the target FE is up
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>> running and CopyAndExecute
>>>>
>>>>> closes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to cause Access to open invisible?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> Colby Consulting
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>>>>> when you do not believe in it
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Dec 24 17:26:50 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:26:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Merry Christmas AccessD Members !
In-Reply-To: <004801ccc275$a5cbc9a0$f1635ce0$@net>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
	<E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
	<CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<004801ccc275$a5cbc9a0$f1635ce0$@net>
Message-ID: <000c01ccc293$83bd8b00$8b38a100$@net>

Correction in CAPS:
I don't want to hear the BS that they couldn't fix it because it would BREAK
something.

Merry Christmas AccessD members !





From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Dec 25 05:24:40 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 12:24:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] My Excel project...you won't believe this one
Message-ID: <sef71629.019@cactus.dk>

Hi William

We can't disagree on that. I work mostly with accounting systems and routines related to that where correct and predictable rounding is a high priority area.

The issue is that all the Cxx converter functions and Round too perform Banker's Rounding. This is not wrong, only different from what most people expect because very little is told about it. The Int and Fix functions work correctly too and also much more as people expect them to do. What is missing is a function that clearly and correctly performs a true 4/5 rounding as we learned in school, and very few expect the "secret" Format to be that only function which does that.

What messes up the picture further, is that Round is buggy as the test function from the link I posted shows.

/gustav


>>> vbacreations at gmail.com 24-12-2011 16:39 >>>
I disagree Gustav (and I don't like to disagree with you! Especially at
Christmas time :)

Any time you cannot guarantee a reliable result by your methods.... and are
not knowledgable or willing to inform your users under what conditions they
can expect results to be proper or improper...  that is wrong.
On Dec 24, 2011 10:31 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
>
> Well, that article is more about the normal precautions to take when
> dealing with floating point numbers more than rounding issues.
>
> It is with rounding as with many other tasks that many methods exist and
> no one is wrong. It all depends.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 23-12-2011 17:05 >>>
> Hi Mark, Gustav at all --
>
> > Are you sure MSFT did not "fix" Round in later versions ?
> They didn't.
>
> > So bottomline: VBA side....Format and Round produce difference results
> Yes, the do.
>
>  Access 2010:
>
> ?round(2.5)
>  2
> ?format(2.5, "0")
> 3
>
> Proper rounding in VBA is a long story originated here:
>
> http://www.fmsinc.com/tpapers/math/index.html 
>
> or even earlier...
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Dec 25 08:44:10 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 09:44:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF736BA.1070505@colbyconsulting.com>

William,

What I am trying to do is have a shortcut open a program and keep it invisible.  That program copies 
a bunch of files, then opens a second program, whereupon the first program shuts down.

The shortcut properties invisible / minimized cause the first program to never appear.  The first 
program puts up a "working, be patient" splash screen while it is opening the second program.

Stuart's suggestion was to use the invisible / minimized properties of the shortcut to cause the 
first program to not ever even be visible, which is what I was after.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/24/2011 4:49 PM, William Benson wrote:
> I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
> vba?
>
> TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
> On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>> That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
>> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
>> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
>> and off we go.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 12:10:44 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 10:10:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
Message-ID: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
 
 
 


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 16:10:43 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:10:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 16:45:20 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 14:45:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65B284E7EE1C4E56B7897C75635B070C@HAL9007>

William:

*** In line.  Thanks

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
*** Yes

Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
*** No - back end

Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
*** Tried that but no - same behavior

Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?
*** YES!!! SO now the old binary search to find out which it the offending
module, I guess.

Merry Christmas.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec 25 16:50:06 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 08:50:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It sounds like it is going into a loop because you are trying to do another save during a save.

What happens if you  get rid of the OnDirty event and  change the  Save button event to:

If Me.Dirty Then Me.Dirty = False

-- 
Stuart


On 25 Dec 2011 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 17:24:21 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 15:24:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <F68642AB9CD74DB8A12F234735387FB0@HAL9007>

No luck there.  Actually it was behaving badly before I put the save and on
dirty events in.  Gotta start deleting code and see what fixes it.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

It sounds like it is going into a loop because you are trying to do another
save during a save.

What happens if you  get rid of the OnDirty event and  change the  Save
button event to:

If Me.Dirty Then Me.Dirty = False

--
Stuart


On 25 Dec 2011 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The
form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form
seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves
the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go
to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this
record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this
machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the
same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an
undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 17:42:04 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 18:42:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F68642AB9CD74DB8A12F234735387FB0@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>	<4EF7A89E.14809.388875D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<F68642AB9CD74DB8A12F234735387FB0@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <004d01ccc35e$cf3d6070$6db82150$@gmail.com>

I think of all the questions I asked, only the one about VBA code was worth
worrying about. I had misread another post online which had to do with
back-end freezing (this seems more like a front end issue). Anyway, here was
what I read:

http://bytes.com/topic/access/answers/828312-access-back-end-sometimes-freez
es


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

No luck there.  Actually it was behaving badly before I put the save and on
dirty events in.  Gotta start deleting code and see what fixes it.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

It sounds like it is going into a loop because you are trying to do another
save during a save.

What happens if you  get rid of the OnDirty event and  change the  Save
button event to:

If Me.Dirty Then Me.Dirty = False

--
Stuart


On 25 Dec 2011 at 10:10, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The
form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form
seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves
the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go
to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this
record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this
machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the
same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an
undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 17:56:42 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 15:56:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>

Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 

Thanks for the lead.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 18:52:27 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 19:52:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
	<86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>

Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
below.

Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer)
If Dirty Then
  If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
vbYes Then
    Cancel = True
  Else
    TimeStamp= Now()
     LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
  End If
End If
End Sub


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 

Thanks for the lead.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec 25 19:02:03 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:02:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>,
	<86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>,
	<004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF7C78B.19649.39014499@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Define "best".

It depends on the needs of the  application and what your users are used to.

Generally, my users understand and like the fact that changes to a record are "autosaved".  
If I don't want that behaviour, I give them a read-only form - what's the point of changing data 
if you don't want the changes saved?

-- 
Stuart

On 25 Dec 2011 at 19:52, William Benson (VBACreations. wrote:

> Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
> save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
> button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
> forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
> bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
> rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
> below.
> 
> Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer)
> If Dirty Then
>   If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
> vbYes Then
>     Cancel = True
>   Else
>     TimeStamp= Now()
>      LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
>   End If
> End If
> End Sub
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
> 
> Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
> Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
> date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
> BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 
> 
> Thanks for the lead.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> (VBACreations.Com)
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
> 
> Rocky
> Is it a multiuser database?
> Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
> Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
> that table instead of the table itself?
> Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
> 
> Dear List:
>  
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>  
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>  
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
> design view.
>  
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>  
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
> results. 
>  
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>  
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec 25 19:06:12 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:06:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com><86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
	<004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FCFC4FAE992F43B79F9DF4AFB0320C53@HAL9007>

I've done it both ways.  I've put Save buttons on the bound form and trapped
it when they try to move to a new record with a message "The record has
changed since you last saved it.  Save it now?".  Then, if no, Me.Undo.

Kind of depends on the user.  And the nature of the data.

In this case the data is fairly static, they have an Undo button, and they
learn pretty quickly that changes are permanent unless they click the Undo.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 4:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
below.

Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer) If Dirty Then
  If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
vbYes Then
    Cancel = True
  Else
    TimeStamp= Now()
     LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
  End If
End If
End Sub


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed to
BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer). 

Thanks for the lead.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
(VBACreations.Com)
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Rocky
Is it a multiuser database?
Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields from
that table instead of the table itself?
Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior

Dear List:
 
I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form seems
to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
 
I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
 
If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves the
record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go to
design view.
 
Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this record
at this time." although the record was saved because I added
'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
 
To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the same
results. 
 
I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an undo
button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
 
Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 21:15:42 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 22:15:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
In-Reply-To: <FCFC4FAE992F43B79F9DF4AFB0320C53@HAL9007>
References: <42452AC49FFE4219B2805935A87BE633@HAL9007>
	<004901ccc352$0c5a2270$250e6750$@gmail.com>
	<86124B5B4FFF4CE29FC9CF4FD04C47CB@HAL9007>
	<004e01ccc368$a4508fe0$ecf1afa0$@gmail.com>
	<FCFC4FAE992F43B79F9DF4AFB0320C53@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V5pCA2bo5N6ax2hMV-7squX6YqsaTnmK0zjswWrR4z6iw@mail.gmail.com>

I would take the approach to prompt that if they continue they will lose
unsaved changes. If they say cancel then they cancel the move, if they say
ok then do the me.undo.

I would never erase the users work just because they didn't want to save
unless they agreed they wanted to DISCARD.

Same way GMAIL will work with this email. If I press my BACK key I will be
asked if I want to discard these changes. If I say cancel I am back to my
edits.  GOOGLE is more concerned with the bigger risk... losing unsaved
changes... than performing my BACK command.
On Dec 25, 2011 8:07 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I've done it both ways.  I've put Save buttons on the bound form and
> trapped
> it when they try to move to a new record with a message "The record has
> changed since you last saved it.  Save it now?".  Then, if no, Me.Undo.
>
> Kind of depends on the user.  And the nature of the data.
>
> In this case the data is fairly static, they have an Undo button, and they
> learn pretty quickly that changes are permanent unless they click the Undo.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> (VBACreations.Com)
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 4:52 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Out of curiosity Rocky (or anyone really)... is it best to allow Access to
> save changes the user has made without requiring them to click a Save
> button... just because they navigate off a record? I don't often use bound
> forms, so I pretty much always have a Save button, but I notice that with
> bound forms the changes are made just by moving off the record, unless you
> rest in the Before_Update event, as I illustrate in a simplified snippet
> below.
>
> Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer) If Dirty Then
>  If MsgBox("Save changes?", vbYesNo, "Upda the table with your change?") <>
> vbYes Then
>    Cancel = True
>  Else
>    TimeStamp= Now()
>     LastModifiedBy = environ("UserName")
>  End If
> End If
> End Sub
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:57 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Well that didn't take long.  Found the offending module pretty quickly.
> Actually it was an offending programmer - I was updating the last modified
> date in the AfterUpdate event instead of the BeforeUpdate event.  Changed
> to
> BeforeUpdate and everybody's happy (especially the programmer).
>
> Thanks for the lead.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Benson
> (VBACreations.Com)
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Rocky
> Is it a multiuser database?
> Is the table, that the form is bound to, located in the same database?
> Would it change if you bound the form to a query which pulls the fields
> from
> that table instead of the table itself?
> Would it navigate fine if you removed all form module code?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 1:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Odd Form Behavior
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a form in an Access 2003 app exhibiting some odd behavior.  The form
> is bound to one table.  When anything on the form is changed, the form
> seems
> to lock - that is, you cannot move to another record using the navigation
> buttons.  Before making a change, the navigation buttons work.
>
> I put a 'Save' button on the form with the one line in the click event
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord which generates the unhelpful error 'Run
> Time Error 2501 - The RunCommand action was canceled.'
>
> If I put 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' in the dirty event, it saves
> the
> record but the navigation buttons are still not functional and I can't go
> to
> design view.
>
> Further, clicking 'View' and 'Design View' does not work at this point. I
> have to click the 'Exit' command button on the form or File-->Close. If I
> use the close button of the form I get a message "You can't save this
> record
> at this time." although the record was saved because I added
> 'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord' to the dirty event.
>
> To eliminate the possibility that my installation of Access on this machine
> got hosed, I moves the app and back end to a second machine and got the
> same
> results.
>
> I would prefer not to use the save on the dirty event because I have an
> undo
> button that the user likes.  But I think if someone can lead me a solution
> of the navigation button thing, this will solve the save problem.
>
> Any ideas?  I'm stumped.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
>
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 08:54:16 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:54:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <24A6411E-585B-4848-86BB-415F617B3AD6@phulse.com>
References: <sef600a3.018@cactus.dk>
	<24A6411E-585B-4848-86BB-415F617B3AD6@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1grDrxc+BmifqS8wYk_=5DhqJ9jU+jwzvCNW7djUTuc-A@mail.gmail.com>

Merry Christmas, a tad late (I've been sick) and Happy New Year to all.

Arthur

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

>
> Glaedelig jul og godt tub'aar. ;)
>
> - Hans
>
>
>
> On 2011-12-24, at 7:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > On this evening - Merry Christmas to all after another year with a lot
> of learning experiences and input at this list (and its sister lists) which
> still stands out from all the other fora you and I join.
> > Thanks to all!
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 11:01:16 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:01:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Copy and execute from Access
In-Reply-To: <4EF736BA.1070505@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF59F5C.23521.30942FB6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<001d01ccc239$244b2290$6ce167b0$@gmail.com>
	<4EF639E2.29536.32EFD42B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EF64721.9080009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAGuQ9V59f+tn3bPTpOQRV-ZxwWKBv5kqzWZRb4sO4CicSW4jyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF736BA.1070505@colbyconsulting.com>
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This thread would appear to me to be about a subject addressed by my good
friend Dejan Sunderic, in his books about SQL Server, which contained a
chapter about inheriting databases. At the time it was a very novel idea,
even though at that time I was well-acquainted with O-O software. Building
on Dejan's lead, I investigated remodeling the modeldb database, and
including a number of oft-used databases, and this has worked even better
than I expected.

In SQL Server, the core model is called modeldb. What I ended up doing was
creating several different versions of this db, with names such as
modeldb_OE (order entry), modeldb_COA (chart of accounts), etc. -- each
based on modeldb but adding the tables of interest, so that simply by
renaming a couple of dbs and then issuing a Create New I had a whole bunch
of the core tables (transactions and lookups) instantly installed and
populated and ready to go.

Perhaps not an ideal solution, but it has worked for me. When doing an
Access db, I do it manually, importing tables and forms and queries from
databases whose content is isolated (e.g. Geography.mdb,
CustomersAndOrders.mdb, COA.mdb), but the key to making this work
coherently is precisely named, consistent columns in all the dbs -- it is
always called CustomerID, OrderID, OrderDetailsID, ProductID, CategoryID,
SupplierID, etc., and that never changes; may not need all of them, but
it's all predefined in the inheritable databases and it's always
consistent; that's the big trick).

I haven't automated this, as JC wants his solution to work. If I'm
"inheriting" from one Access db, say "CustomersAndOrders", it's incumbent
upon me to remember to "inherit" all the tables and relevant queries and
forms, and occasionally, modules. But force of habit causes few mistakes,
and upon discovery of one, it's pretty easy to return and grab the missing
object.

Anyway, Happy New Year to everyone on this list!
Arthur

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:44 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> William,
>
> What I am trying to do is have a shortcut open a program and keep it
> invisible.  That program copies a bunch of files, then opens a second
> program, whereupon the first program shuts down.
>
> The shortcut properties invisible / minimized cause the first program to
> never appear.  The first program puts up a "working, be patient" splash
> screen while it is opening the second program.
>
> Stuart's suggestion was to use the invisible / minimized properties of the
> shortcut to cause the first program to not ever even be visible, which is
> what I was after.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 12/24/2011 4:49 PM, William Benson wrote:
>
>> I am asking how do you run a shortcut in code. Isn't john doing this with
>> vba?
>>
>> TIA for answering my question so I can follow along.
>> On Dec 24, 2011 4:44 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby@**colbyconsulting.com<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  That worked perfectly Stuart.  I set the shortcut visible attribute to
>>> false and then set the Run Minimized attribute and I never even see the
>>> CopyAndRun open.  I now have a splash form that opens to say "be patient"
>>> and off we go.
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>>
>>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Dec 27 11:22:47 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:22:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Merry Christmas AccessD Members !
In-Reply-To: <000c01ccc293$83bd8b00$8b38a100$@net>
References: <sef45fb3.004@cactus.dk> <004a01ccc176$a4ce31a0$ee6a94e0$@net>
	<E1Re7cG-0003QO-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f201.mail.ru>
	<CAGuQ9V5gJmaCM=yzRdcidZijAtmQgfQJyekknL_AfLecUbLZ=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<004801ccc275$a5cbc9a0$f1635ce0$@net>
	<000c01ccc293$83bd8b00$8b38a100$@net>
Message-ID: <007501ccc4bc$27c242c0$7746c840$@net>

Art - lack of season greatings...

I think it's been a "Bah Humbug" Christmas for Access and Excel developers.





From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Dec 27 12:26:05 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 22:26:05 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Copy_and_execute_from_Access?=
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gkXjOJkdRT4do2uOS6t0eBc9VPvZHgHcfCUdjO5L93w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF736BA.1070505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF4395B.3010207@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAEPJO1gkXjOJkdRT4do2uOS6t0eBc9VPvZHgHcfCUdjO5L93w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1Rfbiv-0004bd-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f24.mail.ru>

> Anyway, Happy New Year to everyone on this list!
Happy New Year Arthur and All!

-- Shamil


27 ??????? 2011, 21:02 ?? Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
> This thread would appear to me to be about a subject addressed by my good
> friend Dejan Sunderic, in his books about SQL Server, which contained a
> chapter about inheriting databases. At the time it was a very novel idea,
> even though at that time I was well-acquainted with O-O software. Building
> on Dejan's lead, I investigated remodeling the modeldb database, and
> including a number of oft-used databases, and this has worked even better
> than I expected.
> 
> In SQL Server, the core model is called modeldb. What I ended up doing was
> creating several different versions of this db, with names such as
> modeldb_OE (order entry), modeldb_COA (chart of accounts), etc. -- each
> based on modeldb but adding the tables of interest, so that simply by
> renaming a couple of dbs and then issuing a Create New I had a whole bunch
> of the core tables (transactions and lookups) instantly installed and
> populated and ready to go.
> 
> Perhaps not an ideal solution, but it has worked for me. When doing an
> Access db, I do it manually, importing tables and forms and queries from
> databases whose content is isolated (e.g. Geography.mdb,
> CustomersAndOrders.mdb, COA.mdb), but the key to making this work
> coherently is precisely named, consistent columns in all the dbs -- it is
> always called CustomerID, OrderID, OrderDetailsID, ProductID, CategoryID,
> SupplierID, etc., and that never changes; may not need all of them, but
> it's all predefined in the inheritable databases and it's always
> consistent; that's the big trick).
> 
> I haven't automated this, as JC wants his solution to work. If I'm
> "inheriting" from one Access db, say "CustomersAndOrders", it's incumbent
> upon me to remember to "inherit" all the tables and relevant queries and
> forms, and occasionally, modules. But force of habit causes few mistakes,
> and upon discovery of one, it's pretty easy to return and grab the missing
> object.
> 
> Anyway, Happy New Year to everyone on this list!
> Arthur
> 
<<< skipped >>>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Dec 27 20:54:41 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:54:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EFA84F1.3090506@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
AfterUpdate.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Try this:
>
> Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
>      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> End Sub
>



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Dec 27 21:21:02 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:21:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <4EFA84F1.3090506@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EF4E519.5030106@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4EF4EBD9.22828.2DD721A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4EFA84F1.3090506@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EFA8B1E.27502.43CD6174@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

.Value is the underlying "value" of the textbox.  It does not change during editing of the 
textbox. Only when the control loses focus.  It can be a string, a number or a Null.

.Text is the text string currently *displayed*  contents of the textbox, it changes as the content 
of the textbox is edited.  It is always a string.

Note that  because .Text is a string, even if the underlying data is a Null, .Text is not - it is an 
empty string (that's why the sample code tests for an empty string, not a null.)

-- 
Stuart


On 27 Dec 2011 at 21:54, jwcolby wrote:

> Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
> AfterUpdate.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > Try this:
> >
> > Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> >      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> > End Sub
> >
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 28 03:26:46 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:26:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
Message-ID: <sefaeefc.050@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

You may add that property Text is available only when the TextBox (or other type of control) has focus.

/gustav


>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 28-12-2011 04:21 >>>
.Value is the underlying "value" of the textbox.  It does not change during editing of the 
textbox. Only when the control loses focus.  It can be a string, a number or a Null.

.Text is the text string currently *displayed*  contents of the textbox, it changes as the content 
of the textbox is edited.  It is always a string.

Note that  because .Text is a string, even if the underlying data is a Null, .Text is not - it is an 
empty string (that's why the sample code tests for an empty string, not a null.)

-- 
Stuart


On 27 Dec 2011 at 21:54, jwcolby wrote:

> Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
> AfterUpdate.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > Try this:
> >
> > Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> >      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> > End Sub




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec 28 03:49:40 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:49:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] textbox value is null
In-Reply-To: <sefaeefc.050@cactus.dk>
References: <sefaeefc.050@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4EFAE634.18576.4531333B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Good point.

On 28 Dec 2011 at 10:26, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Stuart
> 
> You may add that property Text is available only when the TextBox (or other type of control) has focus.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 28-12-2011 04:21 >>>
> .Value is the underlying "value" of the textbox.  It does not change during editing of the 
> textbox. Only when the control loses focus.  It can be a string, a number or a Null.
> 
> .Text is the text string currently *displayed*  contents of the textbox, it changes as the content 
> of the textbox is edited.  It is always a string.
> 
> Note that  because .Text is a string, even if the underlying data is a Null, .Text is not - it is an 
> empty string (that's why the sample code tests for an empty string, not a null.)
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 27 Dec 2011 at 21:54, jwcolby wrote:
> 
> > Yep, that works.  I have gotten used to always using .Value which apparently is not valid till 
> > AfterUpdate.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > 
> > Reality is what refuses to go away
> > when you do not believe in it
> > 
> > On 12/23/2011 4:00 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > > Try this:
> > >
> > > Private Sub txtA_KeyUp(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer)
> > >      txtB = "C:\Access\"&  txtA.Text&  IIf(txtA.Text = "", "", "\")
> > > End Sub
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 28 08:50:15 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:50:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Ya just gotta love it
Message-ID: <4EFB2CA7.9080704@colbyconsulting.com>

On my workstation at the client I have Access2K and AccessXP (2002) installed.  Access 2002 is the 
one that opens if I just double click a database.

I have written this CopyAndRun application for copying the FE and libs to the user's workstation and 
opening it.  C&R uses office automation to open the file just copied.

This is the code which actually opens the application just copied.

Sub OpenApp(strFEToOpen As String)
Dim appAccess As Access.Application
     ' Create new instance of Microsoft Access.
     Set appAccess = CreateObject("Access.Application")
     ' Open database in Microsoft Access window.
     appAccess.OpenCurrentDatabase strFEToOpen
End Sub

One of the users has Access2K SP1 installed, and when he uses C&R it does in fact open the target 
app but it is hidden, i.e. there is an Access process in Task Manager Processes but Access is not 
listed in Applications.

So I try testing it with my system.  I use a shortcut to Access 2K (which has SP3) to directly open 
C&R.  I then click a test button which opens the target app.  When it opens it is running under 
Access 2002.  IOW even though the code above is running in Access 2K once the dust settles the 
target is running in Access XP.

Not ideal for testing eh?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 28 09:07:08 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:07:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Setting the program default application
Message-ID: <4EFB309C.7070908@colbyconsulting.com>

I thought that you could right click on an access database file, then Open with / Choose Program / 
Always use the selected program / browse / then find the program to use and select that and it would 
permanently modify the double click program used to open that file type.

That is not happening, in fact even as I select Access2K and do the open it immediately uses 
AccessXP to perform the open.

WTHO?

-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it



From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 10:13:39 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:13:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
In-Reply-To: <00a101ccbf6d$04a75f40$0df61dc0$@net>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3519@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<00a101ccbf6d$04a75f40$0df61dc0$@net>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C39@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

Thanks for the suggestion on how to write a better query. The extra records were caused by there being 11 records for each gas meter in the table GA_Details. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem

Dunno...the Where clause was not being utilized properly for one thing.
This will run much more efficiently....
I couldn't really pin-point the problem though.

SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
       scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
       [Volume] * 1000      AS Mcf,
       Sum([Volume]) * 1000 AS McfTest
FROM   (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
         INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master
           ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID =
scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
        INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
                    INNER JOIN (GA_Header
                                INNER JOIN GA_Details
                                  ON GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER)
                      ON ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date =
GA_Header.Sample_Date )
                         AND ( [qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER =
GA_Header.METER ))
          ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
       INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes
       ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
WHERE  (GA_Details.UNIT = "PCT" ) AND ([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID )
= 362915) AND
       ( scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate  = #12 / 1 / 2011 # )

GROUP  BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
          scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate,
          [Volume] * 1000
ORDER  BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Calculation in query problem
>
> I have the following query
> SELECT [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf,
> Sum([Volume])*1000 AS McfTest
> FROM (([tbl Produced Gas Meters]
> INNER JOIN scada_Gas_Meter_Master ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID
> = scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Meter_ID)
> INNER JOIN ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date]
> INNER JOIN (GA_Header INNER JOIN GA_Details ON
> GA_Header.ID = GA_Details.HEADER) ON
> ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].MaxOfSample_Date = GA_Header.Sample_Date)
> AND ([qry Last Gas Analysis Date].METER = GA_Header.METER))
> ON [tbl Produced Gas Meters].[Meter_ID Text] = GA_Header.METER)
> INNER JOIN scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes ON scada_Gas_Meter_Master.Tagname
> = scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.Tagname
> WHERE (((GA_Details.UNIT)="PCT"))
> GROUP BY [tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID,
> scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate, [Volume]*1000
> HAVING ((([tbl Produced Gas Meters].Meter_ID)=362915)
> AND ((scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate)=#12/1/2011#))
> ORDER BY scada_V_All_Meter_Volumes.ReadingDate;
>
> The expression [Volume]*1000 AS Mcf returns the value 18259.5043182373
>
> The expression Sum([Volume])*1000 as McfTest returns 200854.54750061
>
> I have a feeling I am missing something in the order of calculations as
> done by Access.
>
> Any thoughts appreciated.
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
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> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 10:24:49 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:24:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What might I be doing wrong?

Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 

Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
RecordDate	Gas Plant	Wagner	Cogdell
1/31/2011	35400		2834	
2/28/2011	25900		2400	
3/31/2011	33452		2500	
4/30/2011	46503		2891	
5/31/2011	24402		3746	
6/30/2011	15324		3557	
7/31/2011	14154		3765	
8/31/2011	25074		3715	
9/30/2011	24041		3456	
10/31/2011	24725		3593	
11/30/2011	25000		3468	

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

?
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From jedi at charm.net  Wed Dec 28 11:50:31 2011
From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:50:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Setting the program default application
In-Reply-To: <4EFB309C.7070908@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EFB309C.7070908@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1165.24.35.110.201.1325094631.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>

John, try Right-Click Properties | Change

You should see the actual application that is being used.  Here you can
implicitly change to whatever app you want.

Mike

> I thought that you could right click on an access database file, then Open
> with / Choose Program /
> Always use the selected program / browse / then find the program to use
> and select that and it would
> permanently modify the double click program used to open that file type.
>
> That is not happening, in fact even as I select Access2K and do the open
> it immediately uses
> AccessXP to perform the open.
>
> WTHO?
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>




From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 12:02:41 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:02:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWbEeTXex=jUHkuviRmh1AjoKL5MFDco8t1N0KzhoGVATQ@mail.gmail.com>

What is it that you want to return when the EndDate is not greater than
RecordDate?

this is what is in the else portion:

Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report
Date Selector]![EndDate]


Think of an IIF as an IF Then Else:


IF [Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>Max([qry Monthly
Third Party Water]![RecordDate])
THEN Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])
Else Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
Report Date Selector]![EndDate]


On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query
> returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00
> for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What
> might I be doing wrong?
>
> Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
> Report Date Selector]![EndDate])
>
> Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
> RecordDate      Gas Plant       Wagner  Cogdell
> 1/31/2011       35400           2834
> 2/28/2011       25900           2400
> 3/31/2011       33452           2500
> 4/30/2011       46503           2891
> 5/31/2011       24402           3746
> 6/30/2011       15324           3557
> 7/31/2011       14154           3765
> 8/31/2011       25074           3715
> 9/30/2011       24041           3456
> 10/31/2011      24725           3593
> 11/30/2011      25000           3468
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
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> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 12:31:34 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:31:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
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What I want return when the end date is less than the max date from the query is the max date that is less than the end date entered on the form. For example if the end date entered on the form is 6/13/2011 the if statement should return 5/31/2011.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query

What is it that you want to return when the EndDate is not greater than
RecordDate?

this is what is in the else portion:

Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report
Date Selector]![EndDate]


Think of an IIF as an IF Then Else:


IF [Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>Max([qry Monthly
Third Party Water]![RecordDate])
THEN Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])
Else Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
Report Date Selector]![EndDate]


On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query
> returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00
> for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What
> might I be doing wrong?
>
> Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
> Report Date Selector]![EndDate])
>
> Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
> RecordDate      Gas Plant       Wagner  Cogdell
> 1/31/2011       35400           2834
> 2/28/2011       25900           2400
> 3/31/2011       33452           2500
> 4/30/2011       46503           2891
> 5/31/2011       24402           3746
> 6/30/2011       15324           3557
> 7/31/2011       14154           3765
> 8/31/2011       25074           3715
> 9/30/2011       24041           3456
> 10/31/2011      24725           3593
> 11/30/2011      25000           3468
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
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> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Wed Dec 28 12:42:46 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:42:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EB05DCEB@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

I think you will find that "The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query" because what the second part of the iif statement is returning is the Boolean expression...

 Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]

As the form date is know to be less than or equal to the query date (first part of Iif is not true), the above Boolean expression always evaluates to False, which equals zero, which is the date value 12:00. This is because the query date cannot be less than the form date if the form date is already less than the query date.

In short you convoluted you way into a bug. What you need is simply...

IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 

... I think. :-)

Lambert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query

I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What might I be doing wrong?

Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 

Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
RecordDate	Gas Plant	Wagner	Cogdell
1/31/2011	35400		2834	
2/28/2011	25900		2400	
3/31/2011	33452		2500	
4/30/2011	46503		2891	
5/31/2011	24402		3746	
6/30/2011	15324		3557	
7/31/2011	14154		3765	
8/31/2011	25074		3715	
9/30/2011	24041		3456	
10/31/2011	24725		3593	
11/30/2011	25000		3468	

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 13:17:13 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:17:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C6F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<CAMhYZWbEeTXex=jUHkuviRmh1AjoKL5MFDco8t1N0KzhoGVATQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C6F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
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The way I would do it (which isn't necessarily the correct way ;) ) would
be to modify the query with left join pulling the previous date:
Use that date in the False section:

If(YourLogic, TrueStuff, [qry Monthly Third Party Water]![PrevMaxDate])


Another thing you could do (If in Access) is use a DMAX in the False
section but this might be slower.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> What I want return when the end date is less than the max date from the
> query is the max date that is less than the end date entered on the form.
> For example if the end date entered on the form is 6/13/2011 the if
> statement should return 5/31/2011.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:03 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
>
> What is it that you want to return when the EndDate is not greater than
> RecordDate?
>
> this is what is in the else portion:
>
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report
> Date Selector]![EndDate]
>
>
> Think of an IIF as an IF Then Else:
>
>
> IF [Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>Max([qry Monthly
> Third Party Water]![RecordDate])
> THEN Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])
> Else Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
> Report Date Selector]![EndDate]
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Kaup, Chester <
> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:
>
> > I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query
> > returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns
> 12:00
> > for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query.
> What
> > might I be doing wrong?
> >
> > Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>
> > Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
> > Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
> > Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
> > Report Date Selector]![EndDate])
> >
> > Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
> > RecordDate      Gas Plant       Wagner  Cogdell
> > 1/31/2011       35400           2834
> > 2/28/2011       25900           2400
> > 3/31/2011       33452           2500
> > 4/30/2011       46503           2891
> > 5/31/2011       24402           3746
> > 6/30/2011       15324           3557
> > 7/31/2011       14154           3765
> > 8/31/2011       25074           3715
> > 9/30/2011       24041           3456
> > 10/31/2011      24725           3593
> > 11/30/2011      25000           3468
> >
> > Chester Kaup
> > Engineering Technician
> > Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> > Office (432) 688-3797
> > FAX (432) 688-3799
> >
> >
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> > number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> >
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 13:21:19 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:21:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EB05DCEB@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
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	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EB05DCEB@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
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If there is a way to convoluted your way into a bug I can find it. Unfortunately your if statement does not quite get it either. If the ending date input on the form is greater than the last date returned by the query it works correctly but in the case where it is less than the last date returned by the query the result is not correct. What I need in that case is the largest date returned by the query that is less than the ending date entered on the form For example if 4/15/2011 is entered as the ending date the value returned by the query should be 3/31/2011.

Thanks for the help.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query

I think you will find that "The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query" because what the second part of the iif statement is returning is the Boolean expression...

 Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]

As the form date is know to be less than or equal to the query date (first part of Iif is not true), the above Boolean expression always evaluates to False, which equals zero, which is the date value 12:00. This is because the query date cannot be less than the form date if the form date is already less than the query date.

In short you convoluted you way into a bug. What you need is simply...

IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 

... I think. :-)

Lambert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query

I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What might I be doing wrong?

Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 

Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
RecordDate	Gas Plant	Wagner	Cogdell
1/31/2011	35400		2834	
2/28/2011	25900		2400	
3/31/2011	33452		2500	
4/30/2011	46503		2891	
5/31/2011	24402		3746	
6/30/2011	15324		3557	
7/31/2011	14154		3765	
8/31/2011	25074		3715	
9/30/2011	24041		3456	
10/31/2011	24725		3593	
11/30/2011	25000		3468	

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 13:52:31 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:52:31 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
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What happens if you put parenthesis around the false part?

Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
(Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![
frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]))


I still believe you need a separate select for the false part.

I just did something on a test table over here:

SELECT * FROM tblRentalAction  WHERE RentalID = 37913

Results:

RentalActionID    RentalID    LocKeyID    TranDate
110235    37913    1    2011-02-15 00:02:00.000
110276    37913    3    2011-02-28 00:00:00.000
114347    37913    8    2011-07-11 00:00:00.000


SELECT
     MaxDate,
     RentalID,
     Max(PrevDate) AS NextDate
FROM
 (
  SELECT A.*, B.PrevDate
  FROM
     (
      SELECT
         Max(TranDate) AS MaxDate,
         RentalID
      FROM tblRentalAction
      WHERE RentalID = 37913 GROUP BY RentalID
      ) A
   LEFT JOIN
     (
      SELECT TOP 3(TranDate) AS PrevDate, RentalID
      FROM tblRentalAction
      WHERE RentalID = 37913
      ) B
   ON A.RentalID = B.RentalID AND A.MaxDate <> B.PrevDate
) C GROUP BY MaxDate, RentalID

Results:
MaxDate    RentalID    NextDate
2011-07-11 00:00:00.000    37913    2011-02-28 00:00:00.000

You could then use your IIF(Logic, TruePart, FalsePart) on that query.

Not sure if it helps or further confuses you. :)

David



On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> If there is a way to convoluted your way into a bug I can find it.
> Unfortunately your if statement does not quite get it either. If the ending
> date input on the form is greater than the last date returned by the query
> it works correctly but in the case where it is less than the last date
> returned by the query the result is not correct. What I need in that case
> is the largest date returned by the query that is less than the ending date
> entered on the form For example if 4/15/2011 is entered as the ending date
> the value returned by the query should be 3/31/2011.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
>
> I think you will find that "The second part of the if statement returns
> 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the
> query" because what the second part of the iif statement is returning is
> the Boolean expression...
>
>  Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
> Report Date Selector]![EndDate]
>
> As the form date is know to be less than or equal to the query date (first
> part of Iif is not true), the above Boolean expression always evaluates to
> False, which equals zero, which is the date value 12:00. This is because
> the query date cannot be less than the form date if the form date is
> already less than the query date.
>
> In short you convoluted you way into a bug. What you need is simply...
>
> IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly
> Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party
> Water]![RecordDate]),[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate])
>
> ... I think. :-)
>
> Lambert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
>
> I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query
> returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00
> for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What
> might I be doing wrong?
>
> Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry
> Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party
> Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party
> Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate])
>
> Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
> RecordDate      Gas Plant       Wagner  Cogdell
> 1/31/2011       35400           2834
> 2/28/2011       25900           2400
> 3/31/2011       33452           2500
> 4/30/2011       46503           2891
> 5/31/2011       24402           3746
> 6/30/2011       15324           3557
> 7/31/2011       14154           3765
> 8/31/2011       25074           3715
> 9/30/2011       24041           3456
> 10/31/2011      24725           3593
> 11/30/2011      25000           3468
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 28 14:20:35 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:20:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] but does it run...
Message-ID: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com>


http://www.raspberrypi.org/

They are apparently close to production.

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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 14:29:14 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:29:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] but does it run...
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Gee..... "its power supply balls weren't connected to the system 1.8v
supply.

Sounds like something that violates the Geneva convention to me.
On Dec 28, 2011 3:23 PM, "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
>
> They are apparently close to production.
>
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>
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> when you do not believe in it
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 28 14:31:29 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:31:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Setting the program default application
In-Reply-To: <1165.24.35.110.201.1325094631.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>
References: <4EFB309C.7070908@colbyconsulting.com>
	<1165.24.35.110.201.1325094631.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>
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Yep, I tried that.  It refused to "keep" the change.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/28/2011 12:50 PM, Michael Bahr wrote:
> John, try Right-Click Properties | Change
>
> You should see the actual application that is being used.  Here you can
> implicitly change to whatever app you want.
>
> Mike
>
>> I thought that you could right click on an access database file, then Open
>> with / Choose Program /
>> Always use the selected program / browse / then find the program to use
>> and select that and it would
>> permanently modify the double click program used to open that file type.
>>
>> That is not happening, in fact even as I select Access2K and do the open
>> it immediately uses
>> AccessXP to perform the open.
>>
>> WTHO?
>>
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>>
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>> when you do not believe in it
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 28 14:44:18 2011
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 20:44:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C88@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EB05DCEB@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
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Ok...I see now...you are trying to change the scope of the query in the iif.
 
can you change the criteria on the query itself... to always be limited to the max(date) < Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]...
 
Or...maybe use a dlookup to get the date instead of an IIF?
 
Mark A. Matte

 

> From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:21:19 -0600
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
> 
> If there is a way to convoluted your way into a bug I can find it. Unfortunately your if statement does not quite get it either. If the ending date input on the form is greater than the last date returned by the query it works correctly but in the case where it is less than the last date returned by the query the result is not correct. What I need in that case is the largest date returned by the query that is less than the ending date entered on the form For example if 4/15/2011 is entered as the ending date the value returned by the query should be 3/31/2011.
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
> 
> I think you will find that "The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query" because what the second part of the iif statement is returning is the Boolean expression...
> 
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]
> 
> As the form date is know to be less than or equal to the query date (first part of Iif is not true), the above Boolean expression always evaluates to False, which equals zero, which is the date value 12:00. This is because the query date cannot be less than the form date if the form date is already less than the query date.
> 
> In short you convoluted you way into a bug. What you need is simply...
> 
> IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 
> 
> ... I think. :-)
> 
> Lambert
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
> 
> I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What might I be doing wrong?
> 
> Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 
> 
> Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
> RecordDate Gas Plant Wagner Cogdell
> 1/31/2011 35400 2834 
> 2/28/2011 25900 2400 
> 3/31/2011 33452 2500 
> 4/30/2011 46503 2891 
> 5/31/2011 24402 3746 
> 6/30/2011 15324 3557 
> 7/31/2011 14154 3765 
> 8/31/2011 25074 3715 
> 9/30/2011 24041 3456 
> 10/31/2011 24725 3593 
> 11/30/2011 25000 3468 
> 
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
> 
>  
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Dec 28 15:28:03 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:28:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] but does it run...
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	<CAGuQ9V6sPVxhNmkiwibnFBJKH-B_Dckg7YeQck01NHC=JZ-gJQ@mail.gmail.com>
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ROTFL.  That is a method of torture used only in small labs in England.  Very hush hush.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/28/2011 3:29 PM, William Benson wrote:
> Gee..... "its power supply balls weren't connected to the system 1.8v
> supply.
>
> Sounds like something that violates the Geneva convention to me.
> On Dec 28, 2011 3:23 PM, "jwcolby"<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>  wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
>>
>> They are apparently close to production.
>>
>> --
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>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec 28 15:31:20 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:31:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Ya just gotta love it
In-Reply-To: <4EFB2CA7.9080704@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EFB2CA7.9080704@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EFB8AA8.0.47B3A404@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Not ideal, but logical.

If 2002 is the registry "default" for Access, that's what COM ( or whatever MS are calling it 
these days)  will use when creating the appAccess object.   

-- 
Stuart   

On 28 Dec 2011 at 9:50, jwcolby wrote:

> On my workstation at the client I have Access2K and AccessXP (2002) installed.  Access 2002 is the 
> one that opens if I just double click a database.
> 
...
> Dim appAccess As Access.Application
...
> So I try testing it with my system.  I use a shortcut to Access 2K (which has SP3) to directly open 
> C&R.  I then click a test button which opens the target app.  When it opens it is running under 
> Access 2002.  IOW even though the code above is running in Access 2K once the dust settles the 
> target is running in Access XP.
> 
> Not ideal for testing eh?
> 




From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 16:54:30 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:54:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W6FF06FC9A67E21948F8E7D2AC0@phx.gbl>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C3F@houex1.kindermorgan.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EB05DCEB@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>, 
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3C88@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<COL118-W6FF06FC9A67E21948F8E7D2AC0@phx.gbl>
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I ended up doing it in VBA. Much easier. Thanks for the assistance.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query


Ok...I see now...you are trying to change the scope of the query in the iif.
 
can you change the criteria on the query itself... to always be limited to the max(date) < Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]...
 
Or...maybe use a dlookup to get the date instead of an IIF?
 
Mark A. Matte

 

> From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:21:19 -0600
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
> 
> If there is a way to convoluted your way into a bug I can find it. Unfortunately your if statement does not quite get it either. If the ending date input on the form is greater than the last date returned by the query it works correctly but in the case where it is less than the last date returned by the query the result is not correct. What I need in that case is the largest date returned by the query that is less than the ending date entered on the form For example if 4/15/2011 is entered as the ending date the value returned by the query should be 3/31/2011.
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
> 
> I think you will find that "The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query" because what the second part of the iif statement is returning is the Boolean expression...
> 
> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]
> 
> As the form date is know to be less than or equal to the query date (first part of Iif is not true), the above Boolean expression always evaluates to False, which equals zero, which is the date value 12:00. This is because the query date cannot be less than the form date if the form date is already less than the query date.
> 
> In short you convoluted you way into a bug. What you need is simply...
> 
> IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 
> 
> ... I think. :-)
> 
> Lambert
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
> 
> I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What might I be doing wrong?
> 
> Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]) 
> 
> Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
> RecordDate Gas Plant Wagner Cogdell
> 1/31/2011 35400 2834 
> 2/28/2011 25900 2400 
> 3/31/2011 33452 2500 
> 4/30/2011 46503 2891 
> 5/31/2011 24402 3746 
> 6/30/2011 15324 3557 
> 7/31/2011 14154 3765 
> 8/31/2011 25074 3715 
> 9/30/2011 24041 3456 
> 10/31/2011 24725 3593 
> 11/30/2011 25000 3468 
> 
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
> 
>  
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> 
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Dec 28 16:55:09 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:55:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
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	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EB05DCEB@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
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I ended up doing it in VBA. Much easier. Thanks for the assistance.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query

What happens if you put parenthesis around the false part?

Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]>
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]),
(Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![
frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]))


I still believe you need a separate select for the false part.

I just did something on a test table over here:

SELECT * FROM tblRentalAction  WHERE RentalID = 37913

Results:

RentalActionID    RentalID    LocKeyID    TranDate
110235    37913    1    2011-02-15 00:02:00.000
110276    37913    3    2011-02-28 00:00:00.000
114347    37913    8    2011-07-11 00:00:00.000


SELECT
     MaxDate,
     RentalID,
     Max(PrevDate) AS NextDate
FROM
 (
  SELECT A.*, B.PrevDate
  FROM
     (
      SELECT
         Max(TranDate) AS MaxDate,
         RentalID
      FROM tblRentalAction
      WHERE RentalID = 37913 GROUP BY RentalID
      ) A
   LEFT JOIN
     (
      SELECT TOP 3(TranDate) AS PrevDate, RentalID
      FROM tblRentalAction
      WHERE RentalID = 37913
      ) B
   ON A.RentalID = B.RentalID AND A.MaxDate <> B.PrevDate
) C GROUP BY MaxDate, RentalID

Results:
MaxDate    RentalID    NextDate
2011-07-11 00:00:00.000    37913    2011-02-28 00:00:00.000

You could then use your IIF(Logic, TruePart, FalsePart) on that query.

Not sure if it helps or further confuses you. :)

David



On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> If there is a way to convoluted your way into a bug I can find it.
> Unfortunately your if statement does not quite get it either. If the ending
> date input on the form is greater than the last date returned by the query
> it works correctly but in the case where it is less than the last date
> returned by the query the result is not correct. What I need in that case
> is the largest date returned by the query that is less than the ending date
> entered on the form For example if 4/15/2011 is entered as the ending date
> the value returned by the query should be 3/31/2011.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
>
> I think you will find that "The second part of the if statement returns
> 12:00 for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the
> query" because what the second part of the iif statement is returning is
> the Boolean expression...
>
>  Max([qry Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily
> Report Date Selector]![EndDate]
>
> As the form date is know to be less than or equal to the query date (first
> part of Iif is not true), the above Boolean expression always evaluates to
> False, which equals zero, which is the date value 12:00. This is because
> the query date cannot be less than the form date if the form date is
> already less than the query date.
>
> In short you convoluted you way into a bug. What you need is simply...
>
> IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry Monthly
> Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party
> Water]![RecordDate]),[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate])
>
> ... I think. :-)
>
> Lambert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Iif satement problem in query
>
> I have the following if statement in a query. The first part of the query
> returns the correct date. The second part of the if statement returns 12:00
> for any date on the form less than the max date returned by the query. What
> might I be doing wrong?
>
> Test: IIf([Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate]> Max([qry
> Monthly Third Party Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party
> Water]![RecordDate]), Max([qry Monthly Third Party
> Water]![RecordDate])<[Forms]![frm Daily Report Date Selector]![EndDate])
>
> Date returned by qry Monthly Third Party Water
> RecordDate      Gas Plant       Wagner  Cogdell
> 1/31/2011       35400           2834
> 2/28/2011       25900           2400
> 3/31/2011       33452           2500
> 4/30/2011       46503           2891
> 5/31/2011       24402           3746
> 6/30/2011       15324           3557
> 7/31/2011       14154           3765
> 8/31/2011       25074           3715
> 9/30/2011       24041           3456
> 10/31/2011      24725           3593
> 11/30/2011      25000           3468
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
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From joeo at appoli.com  Wed Dec 28 17:43:17 2011
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:43:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>

Does anyone have any experience with the training videos from LearnDevNow?  They are running a special of only $99 for a full year of access to their entire library of over 3,000 videos.  The deadline to subscribe is December 31.  If these are good training videos, it seems like an inexpensive way to learn new technologies.

The web site is http://www.learndevnow.com

Joe O'Connell



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 20:48:59 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:48:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
In-Reply-To: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4sEup+xA0Txy=dEyXeqE1wzJPXSnfzr_e2XM=W9zDpaA@mail.gmail.com>

is Dec 31 2011 the deadline for the 2011 annual membership? If so, not
really much of a bargain

;-) couldn't resist, hopefully you get more serious (experienced) answers.




On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Joe O'Connell <joeo at appoli.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with the training videos from LearnDevNow?
>  They are running a special of only $99 for a full year of access to their
> entire library of over 3,000 videos.  The deadline to subscribe is December
> 31.  If these are good training videos, it seems like an inexpensive way to
> learn new technologies.
>
> The web site is http://www.learndevnow.com
>
> Joe O'Connell
>
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**
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 21:53:34 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:53:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4sEup+xA0Txy=dEyXeqE1wzJPXSnfzr_e2XM=W9zDpaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
	<CAGuQ9V4sEup+xA0Txy=dEyXeqE1wzJPXSnfzr_e2XM=W9zDpaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met_cjs0xtV=nKNGwGM02F1_US-0=S96iJe=pzD9cmEgwPw@mail.gmail.com>

No experience with them but experience with AppDev's CBT training, which
was good.  Hard to beat an instructor like Ken Getz, so that price for a
year's subscription looks like a bargain to me.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:48 PM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> is Dec 31 2011 the deadline for the 2011 annual membership? If so, not
> really much of a bargain
>
> ;-) couldn't resist, hopefully you get more serious (experienced) answers.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Joe O'Connell <joeo at appoli.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any experience with the training videos from
> LearnDevNow?
> >  They are running a special of only $99 for a full year of access to
> their
> > entire library of over 3,000 videos.  The deadline to subscribe is
> December
> > 31.  If these are good training videos, it seems like an inexpensive way
> to
> > learn new technologies.
> >
> > The web site is http://www.learndevnow.com
>
>
> >
> > Joe O'Connell
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> *Regards,*
> **
> **
> *Bill Benson*
> *VBACreations*
> **
>  PS:  You've gotten this e-mail *because you matter to me!*
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>
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>
>
>


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 22:55:12 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:55:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
In-Reply-To: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <008901ccc5e6$0cbe9bb0$263bd310$@gmail.com>

I just watched 2 of the videos and I actually learned what both Silverlight
and WPF are from the free vids. In addition, since I have never seen C#
(only VB and VBA) I was always kind of afraid of it, but now I feel I could
get going in that if I needed to. A few 30-40 minute intro videos don't make
me a programmer ... but I feel a lot more knowledgeable about what I might
be getting into if I chose to work in those languages / platforms or
whatever the right word is. I would say the quality of the videos was very
good.  There's lots more than I will need or might have the time to learn,
but I think I will bite for only $100.

Thanks for the tip Joe.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe O'Connell
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies

Does anyone have any experience with the training videos from LearnDevNow?
They are running a special of only $99 for a full year of access to their
entire library of over 3,000 videos.  The deadline to subscribe is December
31.  If these are good training videos, it seems like an inexpensive way to
learn new technologies.

The web site is http://www.learndevnow.com

Joe O'Connell

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From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Dec 29 12:55:41 2011
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:55:41 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
Message-ID: <201112291155.pBTBtfMl007789@mailhostC.plex.net>

Dear list.

i have a table with patients.

tblDialysis

Pat      OpenDate      Code
1        01-01-2011    325
2        02-02-2011    325
2        03-03-2011    326
2        04-04-2011    327
3        05-05-2011    325
3        06-06-2011    326
4        07-07-2011    325
4        08-08-2011    327
5        09-09-2011    326

i need all records of patients who have a code 325 and 326  0r 325 and 327


result

Pat      OpenDate      Code
2        02-02-2011    325
2        03-03-2011    326
2        04-04-2011    327
3        05-05-2011    325
3        06-06-2011    326
4        07-07-2011    325
4        08-08-2011    327

any idea's

Pedro



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 06:53:46 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:53:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
In-Reply-To: <201112291155.pBTBtfMl007789@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112291155.pBTBtfMl007789@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V51-ojTrs6iF0bBO28oi2hUXMkVQT-xrp2RLhN_WWZOPw@mail.gmail.com>

Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is code =25.

Select tb2.pat , tbl2.opendate , tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tb2 inner
join (select distict pat from tbldialysis where  code= 325) as tbl1 on
tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327)
On Dec 29, 2011 6:59 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:

> Dear list.
>
> i have a table with patients.
>
> tblDialysis
>
> Pat      OpenDate      Code
> 1        01-01-2011    325
> 2        02-02-2011    325
> 2        03-03-2011    326
> 2        04-04-2011    327
> 3        05-05-2011    325
> 3        06-06-2011    326
> 4        07-07-2011    325
> 4        08-08-2011    327
> 5        09-09-2011    326
>
> i need all records of patients who have a code 325 and 326  0r 325 and 327
>
>
> result
>
> Pat      OpenDate      Code
> 2        02-02-2011    325
> 2        03-03-2011    326
> 2        04-04-2011    327
> 3        05-05-2011    325
> 3        06-06-2011    326
> 4        07-07-2011    325
> 4        08-08-2011    327
>
> any idea's
>
> Pedro
>
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From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Dec 29 14:54:26 2011
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:54:26 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
Message-ID: <201112291354.pBTDsQ36014718@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello William,

I  made a second table with only the code=325 records in it.
But i get an syntax-error when using the query;

Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 on
tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327);

i can't figure out why (after correction of misspelled words?

What am i doing wrong?

Pedro




In antwoord op:

> From: William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:53:46 -0500
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
> 
> 
> Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is code =25.
> 
> Select tb2.pat , tbl2.opendate , tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tb2 inner
> join (select distict pat from tbldialysis where  code= 325) as tbl1 on
> tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327)
> On Dec 29, 2011 6:59 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Dear list.
> >
> > i have a table with patients.
> >
> > tblDialysis
> >
> > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > 1        01-01-2011    325
> > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > 4        08-08-2011    327
> > 5        09-09-2011    326
> >
> > i need all records of patients who have a code 325 and 326  0r 325 and 327
> >
> >
> > result
> >
> > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > 4        08-08-2011    327
> >
> > any idea's
> >
> > Pedro
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> -- 
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> 
> 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Dec 29 08:17:53 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:17:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
Message-ID: <sefc84c4.076@cactus.dk>

Hi Pedro

Shouldn't last line read:

tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat where tbl2.code in (326,327);

/gustav


>>> pedro at plex.nl 29-12-2011 14:54 >>>
Hello William,

I  made a second table with only the code=325 records in it.
But i get an syntax-error when using the query;

Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 on
tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327);

i can't figure out why (after correction of misspelled words?

What am i doing wrong?

Pedro




In antwoord op:

> From: William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:53:46 -0500
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
> 
> 
> Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is code =25.
> 
> Select tb2.pat , tbl2.opendate , tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tb2 inner
> join (select distict pat from tbldialysis where  code= 325) as tbl1 on
> tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327)
> On Dec 29, 2011 6:59 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Dear list.
> >
> > i have a table with patients.
> >
> > tblDialysis
> >
> > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > 1        01-01-2011    325
> > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > 4        08-08-2011    327
> > 5        09-09-2011    326
> >
> > i need all records of patients who have a code 325 and 326  0r 325 and 327
> >
> >
> > result
> >
> > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > 4        08-08-2011    327
> >
> > any idea's
> >
> > Pedro





From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 29 08:24:06 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:24:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] but does it run...
In-Reply-To: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4EFC7806.1060709@torchlake.com>

I've been waiting.  Production was supposed to be in mid-December 2011, 
if I recall correctly.  Still waiting, patiently....umm, no, 
impatiently.  I want one of those little things!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/28/2011 3:20 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>
> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
>
> They are apparently close to production.
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 29 08:32:22 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:32:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] but does it run...
In-Reply-To: <4EFC7806.1060709@torchlake.com>
References: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EFC7806.1060709@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EFC79F6.5000902@colbyconsulting.com>

 >I want one of those little things!

Me too!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/29/2011 9:24 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> I've been waiting. Production was supposed to be in mid-December 2011, if I recall correctly. Still
> waiting, patiently....umm, no, impatiently. I want one of those little things!
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/28/2011 3:20 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>>
>> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
>>
>> They are apparently close to production.
>>



From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Dec 29 16:13:14 2011
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:13:14 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
Message-ID: <201112291513.pBTFDEcv019497@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Gustav,

that's correct (to much on my mind at the end of the year)

But no i only get as result the records with code 326 and 327).

William mentioned: "Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is code =25" 

-- i tried this, but i still only have the records with code 326 and 327.

What is wrong? (more and more on my mind!!)

Pedro






In antwoord op:

> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:17:53 +0100
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
> 
> 
> Hi Pedro
> 
> Shouldn't last line read:
> 
> tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat where tbl2.code in (326,327);
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> pedro at plex.nl 29-12-2011 14:54 >>>
> Hello William,
> 
> I  made a second table with only the code=325 records in it.
> But i get an syntax-error when using the query;
> 
> Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
> join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 on
> tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327);
> 
> i can't figure out why (after correction of misspelled words?
> 
> What am i doing wrong?
> 
> Pedro
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In antwoord op:
> 
> > From: William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:53:46 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
> > 
> > 
> > Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is code =25.
> > 
> > Select tb2.pat , tbl2.opendate , tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tb2 inner
> > join (select distict pat from tbldialysis where  code= 325) as tbl1 on
> > tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327)
> > On Dec 29, 2011 6:59 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear list.
> > >
> > > i have a table with patients.
> > >
> > > tblDialysis
> > >
> > > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > > 1        01-01-2011    325
> > > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > > 4        08-08-2011    327
> > > 5        09-09-2011    326
> > >
> > > i need all records of patients who have a code 325 and 326  0r 325 and 327
> > >
> > >
> > > result
> > >
> > > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > > 4        08-08-2011    327
> > >
> > > any idea's
> > >
> > > Pedro
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 09:22:56 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:22:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
In-Reply-To: <sefc84c4.076@cactus.dk>
References: <sefc84c4.076@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001501ccc63d$c1a60750$44f215f0$@gmail.com>

Yep.. air code at 5AM while not having slept at night can do that to ya!
Thanks Gustav.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:18 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column

Hi Pedro

Shouldn't last line read:

tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat where tbl2.code in (326,327);

/gustav


>>> pedro at plex.nl 29-12-2011 14:54 >>>
Hello William,

I  made a second table with only the code=325 records in it.
But i get an syntax-error when using the query;

Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 on
tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327);

i can't figure out why (after correction of misspelled words?

What am i doing wrong?

Pedro




In antwoord op:

> From: William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:53:46 -0500
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
> 
> 
> Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is code =25.
> 
> Select tb2.pat , tbl2.opendate , tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tb2 inner
> join (select distict pat from tbldialysis where  code= 325) as tbl1 on
> tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327)
> On Dec 29, 2011 6:59 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Dear list.
> >
> > i have a table with patients.
> >
> > tblDialysis
> >
> > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > 1        01-01-2011    325
> > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > 4        08-08-2011    327
> > 5        09-09-2011    326
> >
> > i need all records of patients who have a code 325 and 326  0r 325 and
327
> >
> >
> > result
> >
> > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > 4        08-08-2011    327
> >
> > any idea's
> >
> > Pedro



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From df.waters at comcast.net  Thu Dec 29 09:43:37 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:43:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met_cjs0xtV=nKNGwGM02F1_US-0=S96iJe=pzD9cmEgwPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>	<CAGuQ9V4sEup+xA0Txy=dEyXeqE1wzJPXSnfzr_e2XM=W9zDpaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_cjs0xtV=nKNGwGM02F1_US-0=S96iJe=pzD9cmEgwPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002701ccc640$a1b65730$e5230590$@comcast.net>

AppDev and LearnDevNow are the same company.  Same physical address, and the
same Ken Getz!  I guess they're not hiding anything.

$99/year is for only the online video streaming course.

LearnDevNow's offer is for $99 for one year, AppDev is for $395 for one
year.  AppDev includes the on-line video, sample code, online courseware,
and lab excercises.  LearnDevNow costs $200 for one year for all of that.

Funny situation, but that's what I'm reading!

Dan



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Learning new technologies

No experience with them but experience with AppDev's CBT training, which was
good.  Hard to beat an instructor like Ken Getz, so that price for a year's
subscription looks like a bargain to me.

Charlotte Foust

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:48 PM, William Benson
<vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> is Dec 31 2011 the deadline for the 2011 annual membership? If so, not 
> really much of a bargain
>
> ;-) couldn't resist, hopefully you get more serious (experienced) answers.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Joe O'Connell <joeo at appoli.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any experience with the training videos from
> LearnDevNow?
> >  They are running a special of only $99 for a full year of access to
> their
> > entire library of over 3,000 videos.  The deadline to subscribe is
> December
> > 31.  If these are good training videos, it seems like an inexpensive 
> > way
> to
> > learn new technologies.
> >
> > The web site is http://www.learndevnow.com
>
>
> >
> > Joe O'Connell
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> *Regards,*
> **
> **
> *Bill Benson*
> *VBACreations*
> **
>  PS:  You've gotten this e-mail *because you matter to me!*
> --
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>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Dec 29 09:49:42 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:49:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
Message-ID: <sefc9a3a.084@cactus.dk>

Hi Pedro

Perhaps a union query will do:

Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2
inner join 
(select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 
on tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat 
where tbl2.code in (326,327)
union all
Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 
inner join 
(select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code in (326,327) as tbl1 
on tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat 
where tbl2.code=325;

/gustav


>>> pedro at plex.nl 29-12-2011 14:54 >>>
Hello William,

I  made a second table with only the code=325 records in it.
But i get an syntax-error when using the query;

Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 on
tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327);

i can't figure out why (after correction of misspelled words?

What am i doing wrong?

Pedro



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 10:10:12 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:10:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
In-Reply-To: <201112291513.pBTFDEcv019497@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <201112291513.pBTFDEcv019497@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <002401ccc644$596be220$0c43a660$@gmail.com>

Well, I said 325 not 25. I could say that I thought you would figure out as
an intellectual exercise that of course you will only get one record per
date criteria (ie, 326 and 327)... 

But that would be arrogant, pedantic (and false!), I was in fact, just
half-witted.

Here gets them all.

Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 on
tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat where tbl2.code in (326,327);

union


Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code in (326,327) ) as tbl1
on tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat where tbl2.code =325


order by Pat, OpenDate




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:13 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column

Hello Gustav,

that's correct (to much on my mind at the end of the year)

But no i only get as result the records with code 326 and 327).

William mentioned: "Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is
code =25" 

-- i tried this, but i still only have the records with code 326 and 327.

What is wrong? (more and more on my mind!!)

Pedro






In antwoord op:

> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:17:53 +0100
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
> 
> 
> Hi Pedro
> 
> Shouldn't last line read:
> 
> tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat where tbl2.code in (326,327);
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> pedro at plex.nl 29-12-2011 14:54 >>>
> Hello William,
> 
> I  made a second table with only the code=325 records in it.
> But i get an syntax-error when using the query;
> 
> Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
> join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 on
> tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327);
> 
> i can't figure out why (after correction of misspelled words?
> 
> What am i doing wrong?
> 
> Pedro
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In antwoord op:
> 
> > From: William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:53:46 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
> > 
> > 
> > Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is code =25.
> > 
> > Select tb2.pat , tbl2.opendate , tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tb2 inner
> > join (select distict pat from tbldialysis where  code= 325) as tbl1 on
> > tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327)
> > On Dec 29, 2011 6:59 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear list.
> > >
> > > i have a table with patients.
> > >
> > > tblDialysis
> > >
> > > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > > 1        01-01-2011    325
> > > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > > 4        08-08-2011    327
> > > 5        09-09-2011    326
> > >
> > > i need all records of patients who have a code 325 and 326  0r 325 and
327
> > >
> > >
> > > result
> > >
> > > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > > 4        08-08-2011    327
> > >
> > > any idea's
> > >
> > > Pedro
> 
> 
> 
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 10:14:43 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson (VBACreations.Com))
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:14:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
References: <201112291513.pBTFDEcv019497@mailhostC.plex.net> 
Message-ID: <002501ccc644$fa1815e0$ee4841a0$@gmail.com>

Not "one record" per "date criteria" I meant one CODE per CODE criteria.

Anyway, the wording was garbled but the point was the same, you wouldn't get
any codes that you did not specify, and in the first criteria I was only
asking for codes = 326 and 327, even though I was using an intermediate
query where code = 325 to limit the records to search in.

Thus I needed to add another query (pulling the code=325 records) which had
the relationship you established... in order to build the complete story.

I feel certain there must be a more efficient way to ask this in one query
and not union two partials together but I am not smart / practiced enough.

-----Original Message-----
From: William Benson (VBACreations.Com) [mailto:vbacreations at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] query select in column

Well, I said 325 not 25. I could say that I thought you would figure out as
an intellectual exercise that of course you will only get one record per
date criteria (ie, 326 and 327)... 

But that would be arrogant, pedantic (and false!), I was in fact, just
half-witted.

Here gets them all.

Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 on
tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat where tbl2.code in (326,327);

union


Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code in (326,327) ) as tbl1
on tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat where tbl2.code =325


order by Pat, OpenDate




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:13 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column

Hello Gustav,

that's correct (to much on my mind at the end of the year)

But no i only get as result the records with code 326 and 327).

William mentioned: "Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is
code =25" 

-- i tried this, but i still only have the records with code 326 and 327.

What is wrong? (more and more on my mind!!)

Pedro






In antwoord op:

> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:17:53 +0100
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
> 
> 
> Hi Pedro
> 
> Shouldn't last line read:
> 
> tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat where tbl2.code in (326,327);
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> pedro at plex.nl 29-12-2011 14:54 >>>
> Hello William,
> 
> I  made a second table with only the code=325 records in it.
> But i get an syntax-error when using the query;
> 
> Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
> join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 on
> tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327);
> 
> i can't figure out why (after correction of misspelled words?
> 
> What am i doing wrong?
> 
> Pedro
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In antwoord op:
> 
> > From: William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:53:46 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
> > 
> > 
> > Join the table to a select query whose only criterion is code =25.
> > 
> > Select tb2.pat , tbl2.opendate , tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tb2 inner
> > join (select distict pat from tbldialysis where  code= 325) as tbl1 on
> > tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327)
> > On Dec 29, 2011 6:59 AM, <pedro at plex.nl> wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear list.
> > >
> > > i have a table with patients.
> > >
> > > tblDialysis
> > >
> > > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > > 1        01-01-2011    325
> > > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > > 4        08-08-2011    327
> > > 5        09-09-2011    326
> > >
> > > i need all records of patients who have a code 325 and 326  0r 325 and
327
> > >
> > >
> > > result
> > >
> > > Pat      OpenDate      Code
> > > 2        02-02-2011    325
> > > 2        03-03-2011    326
> > > 2        04-04-2011    327
> > > 3        05-05-2011    325
> > > 3        06-06-2011    326
> > > 4        07-07-2011    325
> > > 4        08-08-2011    327
> > >
> > > any idea's
> > >
> > > Pedro
> 
> 
> 
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From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Dec 29 17:21:15 2011
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:21:15 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
Message-ID: <201112291621.pBTGLFf7023563@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Gustav,

this gives me the result.

Thanks. You saved my sql day again.
Always good to know that i can fall back on accessd when i can't get the result that in want.

Pedro




In antwoord op:

> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:49:42 +0100
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
> 
> 
> Hi Pedro
> 
> Perhaps a union query will do:
> 
> Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2
> inner join 
> (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 
> on tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat 
> where tbl2.code in (326,327)
> union all
> Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 
> inner join 
> (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code in (326,327) as tbl1 
> on tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat 
> where tbl2.code=325;
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> pedro at plex.nl 29-12-2011 14:54 >>>
> Hello William,
> 
> I  made a second table with only the code=325 records in it.
> But i get an syntax-error when using the query;
> 
> Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
> join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 on
> tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327);
> 
> i can't figure out why (after correction of misspelled words?
> 
> What am i doing wrong?
> 
> Pedro
> 
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec 29 10:25:26 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:25:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] query select in column
Message-ID: <20111229092526.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.47e39a8280.wbe@email18.secureserver.net>


At this point I would do a temp table with  a bit of code - start by
creating a table of all PATs with at least oe 325 record, with extra
yes/no fields for 326 and 327.  Loop through the records noting 326 and
327 records for PATs already in the table. 

Rocky  

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AccessD] query select in column
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
Date: Thu, December 29, 2011 8:49 am
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Pedro

Perhaps a union query will do:

Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2
inner join 
(select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 
on tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat 
where tbl2.code in (326,327)
union all
Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 
inner join 
(select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code in (326,327) as tbl1 
on tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat 
where tbl2.code=325;

/gustav


>>> pedro at plex.nl 29-12-2011 14:54 >>>
Hello William,

I made a second table with only the code=325 records in it.
But i get an syntax-error when using the query;

Select tbl2.pat, tbl2.opendate, tbl2.code from tbldialysis as tbl2 inner
join (select distinct pat from tbldialysis where code=325) as tbl1 on
tbl1.pat = tbl2.pat and tbl2.code in (326,327);

i can't figure out why (after correction of misspelled words?

What am i doing wrong?

Pedro


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From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Thu Dec 29 10:32:09 2011
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:32:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - List Archives
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWGA8EgLKcrX0LOaCUxsuEF7NOq9ZPsjX=q7mKr813yfWA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

I just wanted to let you all know that the archives are back online
after a lengthy delay. If you notice ANYTHING unusual about the
archives, PLEASE let me know, listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or
carbonnb at gmail.com.

The search functionality should be up and running again very shortly too.

I want to apologize for having the archives off-line for such a long
time, but, unfortunately, life got in the way. :(

I hope you all have a wonderful and prosperous New Year!

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Dec 29 10:39:06 2011
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:39:06 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - List Archives
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Message-ID: <CD43070CCEC940C092F4ED2AE1D90F5E@MINSTER>

Great, thanks as ever Bryan. Happy New Year to you too.

Andy



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: 29 December 2011 16:32
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - List Archives


Hi Everyone,

I just wanted to let you all know that the archives are back online
after a lengthy delay. If you notice ANYTHING unusual about the
archives, PLEASE let me know, listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or
carbonnb at gmail.com.

The search functionality should be up and running again very shortly too.

I want to apologize for having the archives off-line for such a long
time, but, unfortunately, life got in the way. :(

I hope you all have a wonderful and prosperous New Year!

-- 
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Dec 29 10:59:58 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:59:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - List Archives
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References: <CAAZtbWGA8EgLKcrX0LOaCUxsuEF7NOq9ZPsjX=q7mKr813yfWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016801ccc64b$4c3377b0$e49a6710$@winhaven.net>

Thank you Bryan for all the work you put into this!

John Bartow, President
Database Advisors, Inc.

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Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:32 AM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - List Archives

Hi Everyone,

I just wanted to let you all know that the archives are back online after a
lengthy delay. If you notice ANYTHING unusual about the archives, PLEASE let
me know, listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or carbonnb at gmail.com.

The search functionality should be up and running again very shortly too.

I want to apologize for having the archives off-line for such a long time,
but, unfortunately, life got in the way. :(

I hope you all have a wonderful and prosperous New Year!

--
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 11:14:56 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:14:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] but does it run...
In-Reply-To: <4EFC7806.1060709@torchlake.com>
References: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EFC7806.1060709@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V4tK8Q9B-7rxt=45_orqLk9eHpCrrdKvO32a8UBsE+0qw@mail.gmail.com>

Help me understand .... what is it or at least why do you want it?
On Dec 29, 2011 9:22 AM, "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
wrote:

> I've been waiting.  Production was supposed to be in mid-December 2011, if
> I recall correctly.  Still waiting, patiently....umm, no, impatiently.  I
> want one of those little things!
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/28/2011 3:20 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
>>
>> They are apparently close to production.
>>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Dec 29 11:27:11 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:27:11 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3D92@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

This is my first try using this command and I need some help. Here is what I have. Does it work only on tables? Thanks.

Set RS8 = MyDb.OpenRecordset("qry Produced Gas CO2 Analysis")

Set RS9 = MyDb.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)"



Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 11:30:13 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:30:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] but does it run...
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V4tK8Q9B-7rxt=45_orqLk9eHpCrrdKvO32a8UBsE+0qw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EFC7806.1060709@torchlake.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4tK8Q9B-7rxt=45_orqLk9eHpCrrdKvO32a8UBsE+0qw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWZSiz4WFkWCWk_SU8ESP3=Gf3_iWoeDkKr7S0xS1v=WGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, I was just about to ask the same.

A quick scan of the link shows a lot of "coming soon" but doesn't say what
it is or what it does.



On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:14 AM, William Benson <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:

> Help me understand .... what is it or at least why do you want it?
> On Dec 29, 2011 9:22 AM, "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I've been waiting.  Production was supposed to be in mid-December 2011,
> if
> > I recall correctly.  Still waiting, patiently....umm, no, impatiently.  I
> > want one of those little things!
> > T
> >
> > Tina Norris Fields
> > tinanfields at torchlake.com
> > 231-322-2787
> >
> >
> > On 12/28/2011 3:20 PM, jwcolby wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
> >>
> >> They are apparently close to production.
> >>
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Dec 29 11:56:23 2011
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:56:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst
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Chester,

Your criteria string used by FindFirst is the problem.

But first some comments about referencing fields in a recordset.

There are several ways (i.e. several valid syntaxes) to reference a specific field in a recordset (which can point to a table or a query)

1/ By the ordinal value of the field, i.e. its position in the list of fields in the recordset. Your use of the expression  "RS8.Fields(1)" is an example. It resolves to the value of the first field in the recordset. The big disadvantage of this syntax is that it is not "reader friendly". When reading the code you (or anyone else) would probably have to go back to the table/query to find out what Fields(1) actually is.

2/ By using the field name as an index to the fields collection of the recordset.
	e.g. RS8("SomeFieldName")
   This is more readable as the field name in the quotes tells you what data is being referenced.

3/ BY directly using the Recordset and field names.
	e.g. [RS8]![SomeFieldName]
   The square brackets are optional if the object names do not have spaces, but I always use them.

I personally prefer to use method 3 as it is then possible in code blocks to use the With / End With construct, which allows you to skip the recordset name in multiple statements...

	With RS8
		![SomeFieldName] = AValue
		![AnotherField] = AnotherValue
		.FindFirst "SomeOtherField=" & Avalue
		If Not .NoMatch Then ' We found it
			' Do something
		End If
		... Etc.
	End With

So, returning to your question, how to use FindFirst.

"RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)" does not work as a criteria string because it is literally saying: "find the first record where the field(1) value is equal to the literal string "RS9.Fields(1)", but you actually want to find the record where the *value* of RS8.Fields(1) is equal to the *value* of RS8.Fields(1).

 If you change the criteria string to this...

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)

Then it will work, providing Fields(1) is not a text or a date value. 

The above syntax works for other data types, but for TEXT you have to enclose the value you are searching for in quotes. Either a combination of single and double quotes like this...

"RS8.Fields(1)='" & RS9.Fields(1) & "'"

Or all double quotes like this....

"RS8.Fields(1)="""" & RS9.Fields(1) & """"

Those are a little difficult to read, especially seeing "'" for what it is with a proportional font. So I use a little function to wrap the text in quotes...

Function Quote(aString) As String
    Quote = """" & aString & """"
End Function

And using that I can then write...

"RS8.Fields(1)=" & Quote(RS9.Fields(1))

Or my preferred syntax

"[RS8]![SomeFieldName]=" & Quote([RS9]![SomeOtherField]

Searching for date values is similar, but a different delimiter is used, the # sign. So if RS9.Field(1) was a date value, the search criteria would have to be

"RS8.Fields(1)=#" & RS9.Fields(1) & "#"

HTH

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst

This is my first try using this command and I need some help. Here is what I have. Does it work only on tables? Thanks.

Set RS8 = MyDb.OpenRecordset("qry Produced Gas CO2 Analysis")

Set RS9 = MyDb.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)"



Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 29 12:06:36 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 13:06:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] but does it run...
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References: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com><4EFC7806.1060709@torchlake.com><CAGuQ9V4tK8Q9B-7rxt=45_orqLk9eHpCrrdKvO32a8UBs
	E+0qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWZSiz4WFkWCWk_SU8ESP3=Gf3_iWoeDkKr7S0xS1v=WGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EFCAC2C.9020504@torchlake.com>

I want one because a pocket-sized computer like this for $25 is just too 
wonderful to pass up.  I would use it for many things, but mostly for 
teaching people about using computers.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/12/raspberry-pi-a-pocket-sized-1080p-capable-computer-for-25/

Best,
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/29/2011 12:30 PM, David McAfee wrote:
> Thank you, I was just about to ask the same.
>
> A quick scan of the link shows a lot of "coming soon" but doesn't say what
> it is or what it does.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:14 AM, William Benson<vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Help me understand .... what is it or at least why do you want it?
>> On Dec 29, 2011 9:22 AM, "Tina Norris Fields"<tinanfields at torchlake.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been waiting.  Production was supposed to be in mid-December 2011,
>> if
>>> I recall correctly.  Still waiting, patiently....umm, no, impatiently.  I
>>> want one of those little things!
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/28/2011 3:20 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
>>>>
>>>> They are apparently close to production.
>>>>
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Dec 29 12:02:51 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 13:02:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] but does it run...
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References: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4EFC7806.1060709@torchlake.com>
	<CAGuQ9V4tK8Q9B-7rxt=45_orqLk9eHpCrrdKvO32a8UBsE+0qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMhYZWZSiz4WFkWCWk_SU8ESP3=Gf3_iWoeDkKr7S0xS1v=WGQ@mail.gmail.com>
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It is an entire pc the size of a credit card and runs off of a few AA batteries.  It runs an ARM 
processor and has enough graphics power to play a 1020p video, it has usb, a headphone jack, a 
network connector and video connectors.  It runs Linux.

I learned all of this from that web page.

http://www.raspberrypi.org/sample-page
http://www.raspberrypi.org
http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/29/2011 12:30 PM, David McAfee wrote:
> Thank you, I was just about to ask the same.
>
> A quick scan of the link shows a lot of "coming soon" but doesn't say what
> it is or what it does.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:14 AM, William Benson<vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Help me understand .... what is it or at least why do you want it?
>> On Dec 29, 2011 9:22 AM, "Tina Norris Fields"<tinanfields at torchlake.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been waiting.  Production was supposed to be in mid-December 2011,
>> if
>>> I recall correctly.  Still waiting, patiently....umm, no, impatiently.  I
>>> want one of those little things!
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/28/2011 3:20 PM, jwcolby wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
>>>>
>>>> They are apparently close to production.
>>>>
>>>>   --
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>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 12:25:16 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:25:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
In-Reply-To: <002701ccc640$a1b65730$e5230590$@comcast.net>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
	<CAGuQ9V4sEup+xA0Txy=dEyXeqE1wzJPXSnfzr_e2XM=W9zDpaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_cjs0xtV=nKNGwGM02F1_US-0=S96iJe=pzD9cmEgwPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<002701ccc640$a1b65730$e5230590$@comcast.net>
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You read it the same way I did.  I popped for the @ $200 to refresh my
skills and learn the new stuff.

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> AppDev and LearnDevNow are the same company.  Same physical address, and
> the
> same Ken Getz!  I guess they're not hiding anything.
>
> $99/year is for only the online video streaming course.
>
> LearnDevNow's offer is for $99 for one year, AppDev is for $395 for one
> year.  AppDev includes the on-line video, sample code, online courseware,
> and lab excercises.  LearnDevNow costs $200 for one year for all of that.
>
> Funny situation, but that's what I'm reading!
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:54 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
>
> No experience with them but experience with AppDev's CBT training, which
> was
> good.  Hard to beat an instructor like Ken Getz, so that price for a year's
> subscription looks like a bargain to me.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:48 PM, William Benson
> <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > is Dec 31 2011 the deadline for the 2011 annual membership? If so, not
> > really much of a bargain
> >
> > ;-) couldn't resist, hopefully you get more serious (experienced)
> answers.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Joe O'Connell <joeo at appoli.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have any experience with the training videos from
> > LearnDevNow?
> > >  They are running a special of only $99 for a full year of access to
> > their
> > > entire library of over 3,000 videos.  The deadline to subscribe is
> > December
> > > 31.  If these are good training videos, it seems like an inexpensive
> > > way
> > to
> > > learn new technologies.
> > >
> > > The web site is http://www.learndevnow.com
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Joe O'Connell
> > >
> > > --
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>
>
> >
> >
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>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Regards,*
> > **
> > **
> > *Bill Benson*
> > *VBACreations*
> > **
> >  PS:  You've gotten this e-mail *because you matter to me!*
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> >
> >
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>
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> >
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 29 12:29:55 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 13:29:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
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	<CAGuQ9V4sEup+xA0Txy=dEyXeqE1wzJPXSnfzr_e2XM=W9zDpaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_cjs0xtV=nKNGwGM02F1_US-0=S96iJe=pzD9cmEgwPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<002701ccc640$a1b65730$e5230590$@comcast.net>
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Good stuff guys....and I love tech.....but is it worth the time and effort ?
Whew, at recent MSFT technical sessions, I don't see anyone under the age of
40.
No young people are getting into tech today. Quite a tell....and I've seen
some IT salary offerings recently that border on the "appalling".

> AppDev and LearnDevNow are the same company.  Same physical address,
> and the same Ken Getz!  I guess they're not hiding anything.
>
> $99/year is for only the online video streaming course.
>
> LearnDevNow's offer is for $99 for one year, AppDev is for $395 for one
> year.  AppDev includes the on-line video, sample code, online
> courseware, and lab excercises.  LearnDevNow costs $200 for one year for
all of
> that.
>
> Funny situation, but that's what I'm reading!
> Dan



From joeo at appoli.com  Thu Dec 29 12:40:54 2011
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 13:40:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met9c8dgGkXqnMxSeHWNtkFpHp79mVH7YbGvNF+NQw99KOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net><CAGuQ9V4sEup+xA0Txy=dEyXeqE1wzJPXSnfzr_e2XM=W9zDpaA@mail.gmail.com><CAH+Met_cjs0xtV=nKNGwGM02F1_US-0=S96iJe=pzD9cmEgwPw@mail.gmail.com><002701ccc640$a1b65730$e5230590$@comcast.net>
	<CAH+Met9c8dgGkXqnMxSeHWNtkFpHp79mVH7YbGvNF+NQw99KOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985EA@exch2.Onappsad.net>

Charlotte,

I did the same as you. It seems like a bargain for all the training
resources that are available.

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 1:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Learning new technologies

You read it the same way I did.  I popped for the @ $200 to refresh my
skills and learn the new stuff.

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net>
wrote:

> AppDev and LearnDevNow are the same company.  Same physical address, 
> and the same Ken Getz!  I guess they're not hiding anything.
>
> $99/year is for only the online video streaming course.
>
> LearnDevNow's offer is for $99 for one year, AppDev is for $395 for 
> one year.  AppDev includes the on-line video, sample code, online 
> courseware, and lab excercises.  LearnDevNow costs $200 for one year
for all of that.
>
> Funny situation, but that's what I'm reading!
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:54 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
>
> No experience with them but experience with AppDev's CBT training, 
> which was good.  Hard to beat an instructor like Ken Getz, so that 
> price for a year's subscription looks like a bargain to me.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:48 PM, William Benson
> <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > is Dec 31 2011 the deadline for the 2011 annual membership? If so, 
> > not really much of a bargain
> >
> > ;-) couldn't resist, hopefully you get more serious (experienced)
> answers.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Joe O'Connell <joeo at appoli.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have any experience with the training videos from
> > LearnDevNow?
> > >  They are running a special of only $99 for a full year of access 
> > > to
> > their
> > > entire library of over 3,000 videos.  The deadline to subscribe is
> > December
> > > 31.  If these are good training videos, it seems like an 
> > > inexpensive way
> > to
> > > learn new technologies.
> > >
> > > The web site is http://www.learndevnow.com
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Joe O'Connell
> > >
> > > --
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> >
> >
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Regards,*
> > **
> > **
> > *Bill Benson*
> > *VBACreations*
> > **
> >  PS:  You've gotten this e-mail *because you matter to me!*
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>
> >
> >
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>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec 29 12:47:25 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:47:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] FYI: Excel Web App hosted on SkyDrive...
In-Reply-To: <E1RaVsy-0005J8-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f204.mail.ru>
References: <E1RaVsy-0005J8-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f204.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <5A08B281C2C04CA29EE530D3C73853F4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Thank you for that Shamil...it looks like I may have just the client for
this. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] FYI: Excel Web App hosted on SkyDrive...

Hi All,

FYI: http://www.excelmashup.com/

Thank you.

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Dec 29 13:18:12 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 13:18:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EB05DDF2@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C199A0D3D92@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B010EB05DDF2@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
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Thanks for taking the time to give me some really good info. I am still having trouble though. I get an Unknown Function Error on the line

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)

Both RS8.Fields(1) and RS9.Fields(1) are number fields

I then tried the following. Meter1 and Meter2 are both dimmed as single

Meter1 = RS8.Fields(1)
Meter2 = RS9.Fields(1)
RS8.FindFirst "Meter1=" & Meter2

This gives the error 
The Microsoft Access database engine does not recognize "Meter1" as a valid field name or expression.

Thanks for the help.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

Chester,

Your criteria string used by FindFirst is the problem.

But first some comments about referencing fields in a recordset.

There are several ways (i.e. several valid syntaxes) to reference a specific field in a recordset (which can point to a table or a query)

1/ By the ordinal value of the field, i.e. its position in the list of fields in the recordset. Your use of the expression  "RS8.Fields(1)" is an example. It resolves to the value of the first field in the recordset. The big disadvantage of this syntax is that it is not "reader friendly". When reading the code you (or anyone else) would probably have to go back to the table/query to find out what Fields(1) actually is.

2/ By using the field name as an index to the fields collection of the recordset.
	e.g. RS8("SomeFieldName")
   This is more readable as the field name in the quotes tells you what data is being referenced.

3/ BY directly using the Recordset and field names.
	e.g. [RS8]![SomeFieldName]
   The square brackets are optional if the object names do not have spaces, but I always use them.

I personally prefer to use method 3 as it is then possible in code blocks to use the With / End With construct, which allows you to skip the recordset name in multiple statements...

	With RS8
		![SomeFieldName] = AValue
		![AnotherField] = AnotherValue
		.FindFirst "SomeOtherField=" & Avalue
		If Not .NoMatch Then ' We found it
			' Do something
		End If
		... Etc.
	End With

So, returning to your question, how to use FindFirst.

"RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)" does not work as a criteria string because it is literally saying: "find the first record where the field(1) value is equal to the literal string "RS9.Fields(1)", but you actually want to find the record where the *value* of RS8.Fields(1) is equal to the *value* of RS8.Fields(1).

 If you change the criteria string to this...

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)

Then it will work, providing Fields(1) is not a text or a date value. 

The above syntax works for other data types, but for TEXT you have to enclose the value you are searching for in quotes. Either a combination of single and double quotes like this...

"RS8.Fields(1)='" & RS9.Fields(1) & "'"

Or all double quotes like this....

"RS8.Fields(1)="""" & RS9.Fields(1) & """"

Those are a little difficult to read, especially seeing "'" for what it is with a proportional font. So I use a little function to wrap the text in quotes...

Function Quote(aString) As String
    Quote = """" & aString & """"
End Function

And using that I can then write...

"RS8.Fields(1)=" & Quote(RS9.Fields(1))

Or my preferred syntax

"[RS8]![SomeFieldName]=" & Quote([RS9]![SomeOtherField]

Searching for date values is similar, but a different delimiter is used, the # sign. So if RS9.Field(1) was a date value, the search criteria would have to be

"RS8.Fields(1)=#" & RS9.Fields(1) & "#"

HTH

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst

This is my first try using this command and I need some help. Here is what I have. Does it work only on tables? Thanks.

Set RS8 = MyDb.OpenRecordset("qry Produced Gas CO2 Analysis")

Set RS9 = MyDb.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)"



Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 13:28:26 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:28:26 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst
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What is the field name of RS8.Fields(1)?  If it's Meter1, then use
RS8("Meter1") instead of the index.  And what are you actually trying to
match?  Use an actual value for RS9.Fields(1), i.e., RS9("Meter2").  Just
using a variable doesn't get rid of the indexed reference.  And as was
pointed out, you are trying to match All RS8 fields(1) to the value in the
first record of RS9. Fields(1).  Is that what you're trying to do?

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> Thanks for taking the time to give me some really good info. I am still
> having trouble though. I get an Unknown Function Error on the line
>
> RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)
>
> Both RS8.Fields(1) and RS9.Fields(1) are number fields
>
> I then tried the following. Meter1 and Meter2 are both dimmed as single
>
> Meter1 = RS8.Fields(1)
> Meter2 = RS9.Fields(1)
> RS8.FindFirst "Meter1=" & Meter2
>
> This gives the error
> The Microsoft Access database engine does not recognize "Meter1" as a
> valid field name or expression.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:56 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst
>
> Chester,
>
> Your criteria string used by FindFirst is the problem.
>
> But first some comments about referencing fields in a recordset.
>
> There are several ways (i.e. several valid syntaxes) to reference a
> specific field in a recordset (which can point to a table or a query)
>
> 1/ By the ordinal value of the field, i.e. its position in the list of
> fields in the recordset. Your use of the expression  "RS8.Fields(1)" is an
> example. It resolves to the value of the first field in the recordset. The
> big disadvantage of this syntax is that it is not "reader friendly". When
> reading the code you (or anyone else) would probably have to go back to the
> table/query to find out what Fields(1) actually is.
>
> 2/ By using the field name as an index to the fields collection of the
> recordset.
>        e.g. RS8("SomeFieldName")
>   This is more readable as the field name in the quotes tells you what
> data is being referenced.
>
> 3/ BY directly using the Recordset and field names.
>        e.g. [RS8]![SomeFieldName]
>   The square brackets are optional if the object names do not have spaces,
> but I always use them.
>
> I personally prefer to use method 3 as it is then possible in code blocks
> to use the With / End With construct, which allows you to skip the
> recordset name in multiple statements...
>
>        With RS8
>                ![SomeFieldName] = AValue
>                ![AnotherField] = AnotherValue
>                .FindFirst "SomeOtherField=" & Avalue
>                If Not .NoMatch Then ' We found it
>                        ' Do something
>                End If
>                ... Etc.
>        End With
>
> So, returning to your question, how to use FindFirst.
>
> "RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)" does not work as a criteria string because
> it is literally saying: "find the first record where the field(1) value is
> equal to the literal string "RS9.Fields(1)", but you actually want to find
> the record where the *value* of RS8.Fields(1) is equal to the *value* of
> RS8.Fields(1).
>
>  If you change the criteria string to this...
>
> RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)
>
> Then it will work, providing Fields(1) is not a text or a date value.
>
> The above syntax works for other data types, but for TEXT you have to
> enclose the value you are searching for in quotes. Either a combination of
> single and double quotes like this...
>
> "RS8.Fields(1)='" & RS9.Fields(1) & "'"
>
> Or all double quotes like this....
>
> "RS8.Fields(1)="""" & RS9.Fields(1) & """"
>
> Those are a little difficult to read, especially seeing "'" for what it is
> with a proportional font. So I use a little function to wrap the text in
> quotes...
>
> Function Quote(aString) As String
>    Quote = """" & aString & """"
> End Function
>
> And using that I can then write...
>
> "RS8.Fields(1)=" & Quote(RS9.Fields(1))
>
> Or my preferred syntax
>
> "[RS8]![SomeFieldName]=" & Quote([RS9]![SomeOtherField]
>
> Searching for date values is similar, but a different delimiter is used,
> the # sign. So if RS9.Field(1) was a date value, the search criteria would
> have to be
>
> "RS8.Fields(1)=#" & RS9.Fields(1) & "#"
>
> HTH
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:27 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst
>
> This is my first try using this command and I need some help. Here is what
> I have. Does it work only on tables? Thanks.
>
> Set RS8 = MyDb.OpenRecordset("qry Produced Gas CO2 Analysis")
>
> Set RS9 = MyDb.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
>
> RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)"
>
>
>
> Chester Kaup
>
> Engineering Technician
>
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
> Office (432) 688-3797
>
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
>
>
>
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> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 13:34:46 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:34:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
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Depends on how badly you need a job I guess.  It's actually easier for us
to pick up this stuff because we have a frame of reference already.  If I
were starting out now, I'd switch to web programming and design, but as a
confirmed dinosaur, I guess I'll try to freshen my skills.

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Good stuff guys....and I love tech.....but is it worth the time and effort
> ?
> Whew, at recent MSFT technical sessions, I don't see anyone under the age
> of
> 40.
> No young people are getting into tech today. Quite a tell....and I've seen
> some IT salary offerings recently that border on the "appalling".
>
> > AppDev and LearnDevNow are the same company.  Same physical address,
> > and the same Ken Getz!  I guess they're not hiding anything.
> >
> > $99/year is for only the online video streaming course.
> >
> > LearnDevNow's offer is for $99 for one year, AppDev is for $395 for one
> > year.  AppDev includes the on-line video, sample code, online
> > courseware, and lab excercises.  LearnDevNow costs $200 for one year for
> all of
> > that.
> >
> > Funny situation, but that's what I'm reading!
> > Dan
>
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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Thu Dec 29 13:37:16 2011
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:37:16 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst
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Hi Chester

What is the name of the fields in these two recordsets?  I feel it would be 
simpler if you could refer to them directly.  For example, if the name of 
the field is Meter in both recordsets, then your code will be:
RS8.FindFirst "Meter = " & RS9!Meter

By the way, in addition to Lambert's comments, note that this construct is 
going to position you at the RS8 record where the value of the nominated 
field matches that of the *first* record in RS9.  Is that what you are 
seeking?

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaup, Chester
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

Thanks for taking the time to give me some really good info. I am still 
having trouble though. I get an Unknown Function Error on the line

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)

Both RS8.Fields(1) and RS9.Fields(1) are number fields

I then tried the following. Meter1 and Meter2 are both dimmed as single

Meter1 = RS8.Fields(1)
Meter2 = RS9.Fields(1)
RS8.FindFirst "Meter1=" & Meter2

This gives the error
The Microsoft Access database engine does not recognize "Meter1" as a valid 
field name or expression.

Thanks for the help.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

Chester,

Your criteria string used by FindFirst is the problem.

But first some comments about referencing fields in a recordset.

There are several ways (i.e. several valid syntaxes) to reference a specific 
field in a recordset (which can point to a table or a query)

1/ By the ordinal value of the field, i.e. its position in the list of 
fields in the recordset. Your use of the expression  "RS8.Fields(1)" is an 
example. It resolves to the value of the first field in the recordset. The 
big disadvantage of this syntax is that it is not "reader friendly". When 
reading the code you (or anyone else) would probably have to go back to the 
table/query to find out what Fields(1) actually is.

2/ By using the field name as an index to the fields collection of the 
recordset.
e.g. RS8("SomeFieldName")
   This is more readable as the field name in the quotes tells you what data 
is being referenced.

3/ BY directly using the Recordset and field names.
e.g. [RS8]![SomeFieldName]
   The square brackets are optional if the object names do not have spaces, 
but I always use them.

I personally prefer to use method 3 as it is then possible in code blocks to 
use the With / End With construct, which allows you to skip the recordset 
name in multiple statements...

With RS8
![SomeFieldName] = AValue
![AnotherField] = AnotherValue
.FindFirst "SomeOtherField=" & Avalue
If Not .NoMatch Then ' We found it
' Do something
End If
... Etc.
End With

So, returning to your question, how to use FindFirst.

"RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)" does not work as a criteria string because it 
is literally saying: "find the first record where the field(1) value is 
equal to the literal string "RS9.Fields(1)", but you actually want to find 
the record where the *value* of RS8.Fields(1) is equal to the *value* of 
RS8.Fields(1).

If you change the criteria string to this...

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)

Then it will work, providing Fields(1) is not a text or a date value.

The above syntax works for other data types, but for TEXT you have to 
enclose the value you are searching for in quotes. Either a combination of 
single and double quotes like this...

"RS8.Fields(1)='" & RS9.Fields(1) & "'"

Or all double quotes like this....

"RS8.Fields(1)="""" & RS9.Fields(1) & """"

Those are a little difficult to read, especially seeing "'" for what it is 
with a proportional font. So I use a little function to wrap the text in 
quotes...

Function Quote(aString) As String
    Quote = """" & aString & """"
End Function

And using that I can then write...

"RS8.Fields(1)=" & Quote(RS9.Fields(1))

Or my preferred syntax

"[RS8]![SomeFieldName]=" & Quote([RS9]![SomeOtherField]

Searching for date values is similar, but a different delimiter is used, the 
# sign. So if RS9.Field(1) was a date value, the search criteria would have 
to be

"RS8.Fields(1)=#" & RS9.Fields(1) & "#"

HTH

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst

This is my first try using this command and I need some help. Here is what I 
have. Does it work only on tables? Thanks.

Set RS8 = MyDb.OpenRecordset("qry Produced Gas CO2 Analysis")

Set RS9 = MyDb.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)"



Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Dec 29 13:38:47 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 13:38:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst
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I am try to match the first record in RS8.Fields(1) the equals the current record in RS9.Fields(1)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 1:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

What is the field name of RS8.Fields(1)?  If it's Meter1, then use
RS8("Meter1") instead of the index.  And what are you actually trying to
match?  Use an actual value for RS9.Fields(1), i.e., RS9("Meter2").  Just
using a variable doesn't get rid of the indexed reference.  And as was
pointed out, you are trying to match All RS8 fields(1) to the value in the
first record of RS9. Fields(1).  Is that what you're trying to do?

Charlotte Foust

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> Thanks for taking the time to give me some really good info. I am still
> having trouble though. I get an Unknown Function Error on the line
>
> RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)
>
> Both RS8.Fields(1) and RS9.Fields(1) are number fields
>
> I then tried the following. Meter1 and Meter2 are both dimmed as single
>
> Meter1 = RS8.Fields(1)
> Meter2 = RS9.Fields(1)
> RS8.FindFirst "Meter1=" & Meter2
>
> This gives the error
> The Microsoft Access database engine does not recognize "Meter1" as a
> valid field name or expression.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:56 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst
>
> Chester,
>
> Your criteria string used by FindFirst is the problem.
>
> But first some comments about referencing fields in a recordset.
>
> There are several ways (i.e. several valid syntaxes) to reference a
> specific field in a recordset (which can point to a table or a query)
>
> 1/ By the ordinal value of the field, i.e. its position in the list of
> fields in the recordset. Your use of the expression  "RS8.Fields(1)" is an
> example. It resolves to the value of the first field in the recordset. The
> big disadvantage of this syntax is that it is not "reader friendly". When
> reading the code you (or anyone else) would probably have to go back to the
> table/query to find out what Fields(1) actually is.
>
> 2/ By using the field name as an index to the fields collection of the
> recordset.
>        e.g. RS8("SomeFieldName")
>   This is more readable as the field name in the quotes tells you what
> data is being referenced.
>
> 3/ BY directly using the Recordset and field names.
>        e.g. [RS8]![SomeFieldName]
>   The square brackets are optional if the object names do not have spaces,
> but I always use them.
>
> I personally prefer to use method 3 as it is then possible in code blocks
> to use the With / End With construct, which allows you to skip the
> recordset name in multiple statements...
>
>        With RS8
>                ![SomeFieldName] = AValue
>                ![AnotherField] = AnotherValue
>                .FindFirst "SomeOtherField=" & Avalue
>                If Not .NoMatch Then ' We found it
>                        ' Do something
>                End If
>                ... Etc.
>        End With
>
> So, returning to your question, how to use FindFirst.
>
> "RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)" does not work as a criteria string because
> it is literally saying: "find the first record where the field(1) value is
> equal to the literal string "RS9.Fields(1)", but you actually want to find
> the record where the *value* of RS8.Fields(1) is equal to the *value* of
> RS8.Fields(1).
>
>  If you change the criteria string to this...
>
> RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)
>
> Then it will work, providing Fields(1) is not a text or a date value.
>
> The above syntax works for other data types, but for TEXT you have to
> enclose the value you are searching for in quotes. Either a combination of
> single and double quotes like this...
>
> "RS8.Fields(1)='" & RS9.Fields(1) & "'"
>
> Or all double quotes like this....
>
> "RS8.Fields(1)="""" & RS9.Fields(1) & """"
>
> Those are a little difficult to read, especially seeing "'" for what it is
> with a proportional font. So I use a little function to wrap the text in
> quotes...
>
> Function Quote(aString) As String
>    Quote = """" & aString & """"
> End Function
>
> And using that I can then write...
>
> "RS8.Fields(1)=" & Quote(RS9.Fields(1))
>
> Or my preferred syntax
>
> "[RS8]![SomeFieldName]=" & Quote([RS9]![SomeOtherField]
>
> Searching for date values is similar, but a different delimiter is used,
> the # sign. So if RS9.Field(1) was a date value, the search criteria would
> have to be
>
> "RS8.Fields(1)=#" & RS9.Fields(1) & "#"
>
> HTH
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:27 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst
>
> This is my first try using this command and I need some help. Here is what
> I have. Does it work only on tables? Thanks.
>
> Set RS8 = MyDb.OpenRecordset("qry Produced Gas CO2 Analysis")
>
> Set RS9 = MyDb.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Dec 29 13:51:53 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 13:51:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst
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Using actual field names here is what it looks like

RS8.FindFirst "[RS8]![Meter_Id]=" & [RS9]![Meter_Id]

The goal is to find the first record in RS8 that matches the current record in RS9.

Thanks for the help.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 1:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

Hi Chester

What is the name of the fields in these two recordsets?  I feel it would be 
simpler if you could refer to them directly.  For example, if the name of 
the field is Meter in both recordsets, then your code will be:
RS8.FindFirst "Meter = " & RS9!Meter

By the way, in addition to Lambert's comments, note that this construct is 
going to position you at the RS8 record where the value of the nominated 
field matches that of the *first* record in RS9.  Is that what you are 
seeking?

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaup, Chester
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

Thanks for taking the time to give me some really good info. I am still 
having trouble though. I get an Unknown Function Error on the line

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)

Both RS8.Fields(1) and RS9.Fields(1) are number fields

I then tried the following. Meter1 and Meter2 are both dimmed as single

Meter1 = RS8.Fields(1)
Meter2 = RS9.Fields(1)
RS8.FindFirst "Meter1=" & Meter2

This gives the error
The Microsoft Access database engine does not recognize "Meter1" as a valid 
field name or expression.

Thanks for the help.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

Chester,

Your criteria string used by FindFirst is the problem.

But first some comments about referencing fields in a recordset.

There are several ways (i.e. several valid syntaxes) to reference a specific 
field in a recordset (which can point to a table or a query)

1/ By the ordinal value of the field, i.e. its position in the list of 
fields in the recordset. Your use of the expression  "RS8.Fields(1)" is an 
example. It resolves to the value of the first field in the recordset. The 
big disadvantage of this syntax is that it is not "reader friendly". When 
reading the code you (or anyone else) would probably have to go back to the 
table/query to find out what Fields(1) actually is.

2/ By using the field name as an index to the fields collection of the 
recordset.
e.g. RS8("SomeFieldName")
   This is more readable as the field name in the quotes tells you what data 
is being referenced.

3/ BY directly using the Recordset and field names.
e.g. [RS8]![SomeFieldName]
   The square brackets are optional if the object names do not have spaces, 
but I always use them.

I personally prefer to use method 3 as it is then possible in code blocks to 
use the With / End With construct, which allows you to skip the recordset 
name in multiple statements...

With RS8
![SomeFieldName] = AValue
![AnotherField] = AnotherValue
.FindFirst "SomeOtherField=" & Avalue
If Not .NoMatch Then ' We found it
' Do something
End If
... Etc.
End With

So, returning to your question, how to use FindFirst.

"RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)" does not work as a criteria string because it 
is literally saying: "find the first record where the field(1) value is 
equal to the literal string "RS9.Fields(1)", but you actually want to find 
the record where the *value* of RS8.Fields(1) is equal to the *value* of 
RS8.Fields(1).

If you change the criteria string to this...

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)

Then it will work, providing Fields(1) is not a text or a date value.

The above syntax works for other data types, but for TEXT you have to 
enclose the value you are searching for in quotes. Either a combination of 
single and double quotes like this...

"RS8.Fields(1)='" & RS9.Fields(1) & "'"

Or all double quotes like this....

"RS8.Fields(1)="""" & RS9.Fields(1) & """"

Those are a little difficult to read, especially seeing "'" for what it is 
with a proportional font. So I use a little function to wrap the text in 
quotes...

Function Quote(aString) As String
    Quote = """" & aString & """"
End Function

And using that I can then write...

"RS8.Fields(1)=" & Quote(RS9.Fields(1))

Or my preferred syntax

"[RS8]![SomeFieldName]=" & Quote([RS9]![SomeOtherField]

Searching for date values is similar, but a different delimiter is used, the 
# sign. So if RS9.Field(1) was a date value, the search criteria would have 
to be

"RS8.Fields(1)=#" & RS9.Fields(1) & "#"

HTH

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst

This is my first try using this command and I need some help. Here is what I 
have. Does it work only on tables? Thanks.

Set RS8 = MyDb.OpenRecordset("qry Produced Gas CO2 Analysis")

Set RS9 = MyDb.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)"



Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





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From steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz  Thu Dec 29 14:19:09 2011
From: steve at datamanagementsolutions.biz (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:19:09 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst
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Hi Chester

Ok.  Drop the "[RS8]", and the brackets around RS9...

RS8.FindFirst "[Meter_Id]=" & RS9![Meter_Id]

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaup, Chester
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 8:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

Using actual field names here is what it looks like

RS8.FindFirst "[RS8]![Meter_Id]=" & [RS9]![Meter_Id]

The goal is to find the first record in RS8 that matches the current record 
in RS9.

Thanks for the help.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 1:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

Hi Chester

What is the name of the fields in these two recordsets?  I feel it would be
simpler if you could refer to them directly.  For example, if the name of
the field is Meter in both recordsets, then your code will be:
RS8.FindFirst "Meter = " & RS9!Meter

By the way, in addition to Lambert's comments, note that this construct is
going to position you at the RS8 record where the value of the nominated
field matches that of the *first* record in RS9.  Is that what you are
seeking?

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaup, Chester
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

Thanks for taking the time to give me some really good info. I am still
having trouble though. I get an Unknown Function Error on the line

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)

Both RS8.Fields(1) and RS9.Fields(1) are number fields

I then tried the following. Meter1 and Meter2 are both dimmed as single

Meter1 = RS8.Fields(1)
Meter2 = RS9.Fields(1)
RS8.FindFirst "Meter1=" & Meter2

This gives the error
The Microsoft Access database engine does not recognize "Meter1" as a valid
field name or expression.

Thanks for the help.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

Chester,

Your criteria string used by FindFirst is the problem.

But first some comments about referencing fields in a recordset.

There are several ways (i.e. several valid syntaxes) to reference a specific
field in a recordset (which can point to a table or a query)

1/ By the ordinal value of the field, i.e. its position in the list of
fields in the recordset. Your use of the expression  "RS8.Fields(1)" is an
example. It resolves to the value of the first field in the recordset. The
big disadvantage of this syntax is that it is not "reader friendly". When
reading the code you (or anyone else) would probably have to go back to the
table/query to find out what Fields(1) actually is.

2/ By using the field name as an index to the fields collection of the
recordset.
e.g. RS8("SomeFieldName")
   This is more readable as the field name in the quotes tells you what data
is being referenced.

3/ BY directly using the Recordset and field names.
e.g. [RS8]![SomeFieldName]
   The square brackets are optional if the object names do not have spaces,
but I always use them.

I personally prefer to use method 3 as it is then possible in code blocks to
use the With / End With construct, which allows you to skip the recordset
name in multiple statements...

With RS8
![SomeFieldName] = AValue
![AnotherField] = AnotherValue
.FindFirst "SomeOtherField=" & Avalue
If Not .NoMatch Then ' We found it
' Do something
End If
... Etc.
End With

So, returning to your question, how to use FindFirst.

"RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)" does not work as a criteria string because it
is literally saying: "find the first record where the field(1) value is
equal to the literal string "RS9.Fields(1)", but you actually want to find
the record where the *value* of RS8.Fields(1) is equal to the *value* of
RS8.Fields(1).

If you change the criteria string to this...

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)

Then it will work, providing Fields(1) is not a text or a date value.

The above syntax works for other data types, but for TEXT you have to
enclose the value you are searching for in quotes. Either a combination of
single and double quotes like this...

"RS8.Fields(1)='" & RS9.Fields(1) & "'"

Or all double quotes like this....

"RS8.Fields(1)="""" & RS9.Fields(1) & """"

Those are a little difficult to read, especially seeing "'" for what it is
with a proportional font. So I use a little function to wrap the text in
quotes...

Function Quote(aString) As String
    Quote = """" & aString & """"
End Function

And using that I can then write...

"RS8.Fields(1)=" & Quote(RS9.Fields(1))

Or my preferred syntax

"[RS8]![SomeFieldName]=" & Quote([RS9]![SomeOtherField]

Searching for date values is similar, but a different delimiter is used, the
# sign. So if RS9.Field(1) was a date value, the search criteria would have
to be

"RS8.Fields(1)=#" & RS9.Fields(1) & "#"

HTH

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst

This is my first try using this command and I need some help. Here is what I
have. Does it work only on tables? Thanks.

Set RS8 = MyDb.OpenRecordset("qry Produced Gas CO2 Analysis")

Set RS9 = MyDb.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)"



Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





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From BradM at blackforestltd.com  Thu Dec 29 15:04:47 2011
From: BradM at blackforestltd.com (Brad Marks)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:04:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible to change Sub-Totals on Access 2007
	Reports with VBA?
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Message-ID: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50143C65B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>

We have an Access 2007 report that currently has subtotals by month.

Recently there was a request to create a variation of this report with
subtotals by Customer.

It would be quite easy to create a second report.  But then I remembered
a slogan which said something like "Why make things simple when you can
make them complex and wonderful".  So I started to wonder if it is
possible to use VBA to change a report's sub-totals on the fly
(controlled by buttons at the top of the report).  

Is this possible?

Thanks,

Brad


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Dec 29 15:37:25 2011
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:37:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst
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They worked perfect. Thanks to everyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 2:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

Hi Chester

Ok.  Drop the "[RS8]", and the brackets around RS9...

RS8.FindFirst "[Meter_Id]=" & RS9![Meter_Id]

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaup, Chester
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 8:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

Using actual field names here is what it looks like

RS8.FindFirst "[RS8]![Meter_Id]=" & [RS9]![Meter_Id]

The goal is to find the first record in RS8 that matches the current record 
in RS9.

Thanks for the help.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 1:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

Hi Chester

What is the name of the fields in these two recordsets?  I feel it would be
simpler if you could refer to them directly.  For example, if the name of
the field is Meter in both recordsets, then your code will be:
RS8.FindFirst "Meter = " & RS9!Meter

By the way, in addition to Lambert's comments, note that this construct is
going to position you at the RS8 record where the value of the nominated
field matches that of the *first* record in RS9.  Is that what you are
seeking?

Regards
Steve

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaup, Chester
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 8:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

Thanks for taking the time to give me some really good info. I am still
having trouble though. I get an Unknown Function Error on the line

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)

Both RS8.Fields(1) and RS9.Fields(1) are number fields

I then tried the following. Meter1 and Meter2 are both dimmed as single

Meter1 = RS8.Fields(1)
Meter2 = RS9.Fields(1)
RS8.FindFirst "Meter1=" & Meter2

This gives the error
The Microsoft Access database engine does not recognize "Meter1" as a valid
field name or expression.

Thanks for the help.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FindFirst

Chester,

Your criteria string used by FindFirst is the problem.

But first some comments about referencing fields in a recordset.

There are several ways (i.e. several valid syntaxes) to reference a specific
field in a recordset (which can point to a table or a query)

1/ By the ordinal value of the field, i.e. its position in the list of
fields in the recordset. Your use of the expression  "RS8.Fields(1)" is an
example. It resolves to the value of the first field in the recordset. The
big disadvantage of this syntax is that it is not "reader friendly". When
reading the code you (or anyone else) would probably have to go back to the
table/query to find out what Fields(1) actually is.

2/ By using the field name as an index to the fields collection of the
recordset.
e.g. RS8("SomeFieldName")
   This is more readable as the field name in the quotes tells you what data
is being referenced.

3/ BY directly using the Recordset and field names.
e.g. [RS8]![SomeFieldName]
   The square brackets are optional if the object names do not have spaces,
but I always use them.

I personally prefer to use method 3 as it is then possible in code blocks to
use the With / End With construct, which allows you to skip the recordset
name in multiple statements...

With RS8
![SomeFieldName] = AValue
![AnotherField] = AnotherValue
.FindFirst "SomeOtherField=" & Avalue
If Not .NoMatch Then ' We found it
' Do something
End If
... Etc.
End With

So, returning to your question, how to use FindFirst.

"RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)" does not work as a criteria string because it
is literally saying: "find the first record where the field(1) value is
equal to the literal string "RS9.Fields(1)", but you actually want to find
the record where the *value* of RS8.Fields(1) is equal to the *value* of
RS8.Fields(1).

If you change the criteria string to this...

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)

Then it will work, providing Fields(1) is not a text or a date value.

The above syntax works for other data types, but for TEXT you have to
enclose the value you are searching for in quotes. Either a combination of
single and double quotes like this...

"RS8.Fields(1)='" & RS9.Fields(1) & "'"

Or all double quotes like this....

"RS8.Fields(1)="""" & RS9.Fields(1) & """"

Those are a little difficult to read, especially seeing "'" for what it is
with a proportional font. So I use a little function to wrap the text in
quotes...

Function Quote(aString) As String
    Quote = """" & aString & """"
End Function

And using that I can then write...

"RS8.Fields(1)=" & Quote(RS9.Fields(1))

Or my preferred syntax

"[RS8]![SomeFieldName]=" & Quote([RS9]![SomeOtherField]

Searching for date values is similar, but a different delimiter is used, the
# sign. So if RS9.Field(1) was a date value, the search criteria would have
to be

"RS8.Fields(1)=#" & RS9.Fields(1) & "#"

HTH

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst

This is my first try using this command and I need some help. Here is what I
have. Does it work only on tables? Thanks.

Set RS8 = MyDb.OpenRecordset("qry Produced Gas CO2 Analysis")

Set RS9 = MyDb.OpenRecordset(strSQL)

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=RS9.Fields(1)"



Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec 29 17:46:24 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:46:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
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	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
Message-ID: <7106FAAEF03B449792F933989CC73445@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I worked for such an agency for years. 

Many clients would quit the agency and then call me up a year after their
last assignment as that was the date limit for legal repercussions. I found
out that in many cases agency would farm me out at some ridiculous fee and
would pay me a small portion. 

When I was working for some of these old clients, the agency found out and
tried to sue me for some breach of contract. One of my clients, a large one,
went to bat on my behalf and the pending court case disappeared. The agency
of course had no ground on which to pursue redress but they knew they had a
lot deeper pockets against any defense I could afford to mount.

I was lucky but many other systems techs, especially foreign, would find
themselves locked in these contracts, for years, at substandard rates where
they would be cheated out of hours, additional expenses and would know of no
one to turn to. I went so far as to start some preliminary steps to form an
association but many of these other techs were scared of their own shadow.

I can not describe in polite terms what I think of these agencies,
especially the ones I have been associated with. They are little more than
abusive pimps.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"

You're very sharp Susan....as you picked-out a very powerful weapon used by
the agencies.
It was a onerous 1 year agreement. The count-down BEGINS the day after no
longer do any work for that client.
Since the client used this agency for other personnel fill-ins as well, they
did not want to chance a lawsuit over breaking this agreement.
The agencies get away with this because the downside EFFECTS of such an
agreement are never made known. It's the agency's "big secret". That's why
this is such a great story of CAUSE and EFFECT. Here is a clear cut case of
the clause causing harm to the client. You never hear or read about the
stories related to this, do you ? I can see it now....
"Greedy Agency Harms Own Client Over Onerous Non-compete Agreement"



> ========The non-compete was 100% binding? Most will have a clause that
> restricts you for a certain number of weeks or even months, so how long
> were you there?
>
>
> Susan H.


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 29 18:42:13 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 19:42:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met85hLhjZ5q8eWt_ZcuVemS3sZP5osMDuVUEFQE-PHSQ3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
	<CAGuQ9V4sEup+xA0Txy=dEyXeqE1wzJPXSnfzr_e2XM=W9zDpaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_cjs0xtV=nKNGwGM02F1_US-0=S96iJe=pzD9cmEgwPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<002701ccc640$a1b65730$e5230590$@comcast.net>
	<00ca01ccc657$dd88db90$989a92b0$@net>
	<CAH+Met85hLhjZ5q8eWt_ZcuVemS3sZP5osMDuVUEFQE-PHSQ3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00fb01ccc68b$df8bb2d0$9ea31870$@net>

Charlotte - Another "angle" for us is Sharepoint 2010. With the advent of
Office 365, it's gaining traction.
The backend is SQL Server...and of course Access 2010 exploits it ....with
limitations (natch).
Albert Kallal built a helluva Access 2010 app on Sharepoint....it's on You
Tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU4mH0jPntI
Very impressive...very little code.
But of course: no VBA allowed..it's all this new "macro" language....which
is NOT as powerful as VBA....YET.






From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Dec 29 19:03:38 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:03:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <7106FAAEF03B449792F933989CC73445@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<7106FAAEF03B449792F933989CC73445@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <011d01ccc68e$ddb9d1a0$992d74e0$@net>

Fantastic summary Jim. Sad, but true.

>
> I worked for such an agency for years.
> Many clients would quit the agency and then call me up a year after
> their  last assignment as that was the date limit for legal repercussions.
I
> found out that in many cases agency would farm me out at some ridiculous
fee
> and would pay me a small portion.
>
> When I was working for some of these old clients, the agency found out
> and tried to sue me for some breach of contract. One of my clients, a
large
> one, went to bat on my behalf and the pending court case disappeared. The
> agency of course had no ground on which to pursue redress but they knew
they
> had a lot deeper pockets against any defense I could afford to mount.
>
> I was lucky but many other systems techs, especially foreign, would
> find themselves locked in these contracts, for years, at substandard rates
> where they would be cheated out of hours, additional expenses and would
know
> of no one to turn to. I went so far as to start some preliminary steps to
> form an association but many of these other techs were scared of their own
> shadow.
> I can not describe in polite terms what I think of these agencies,
> especially the ones I have been associated with. They are little more
> than abusive pimps.



From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 20:54:39 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:54:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <011d01ccc68e$ddb9d1a0$992d74e0$@net>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<7106FAAEF03B449792F933989CC73445@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<011d01ccc68e$ddb9d1a0$992d74e0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7sE_FuNCip5RN8GJKR0saR_1zuNXhsdq9FiCyPyGe=qA@mail.gmail.com>

Mark - I wish you much better success in the New Year.  FYI, I have a
Fortune 100 as a client THEY PAY ME. I would not have it any other way. Or
maybe I am just blessed. And I am a bargain to them, I charge much less
than they would pay an agency. when I used to work for a programming
company in 2000 I was making $40K/year with benefits and they were billing
(this same fortune 100 Company, it turns out) $75/hour for my time. I think
there are many more Companies out there than Agencies, you might want to
send Companies your resume telling them that you are OPEN to permanent
employment but really like short term assignments handled one-on-one, to
save them the exorbitant fees they would have to pay an Agency. Someone
should bite.

My experience with Agencies has generally been bad EXCEPT FOR (ironically)
Robert Half.

One agency got me *fired*. They asked me how the assignment was going, I
told them that I was being asked to do some things that were not in the
original agreement, but it was ok, I was able to handle it -- then they
went to the client asking for more money the client sent me home. Not that
I was going to get a penny more mind you. Holy Cow!


Another promised to find me another gig. Said they had one, I could leave
the one  was on. But the current people begged me to stay 2 weeks (at
least). With the other "client's" agreement (so I was told, this turned out
to be 'vapor client') I agreed to stay 2 weeks. Then Company #1 found a
person the very next day and booted me cuz they "needed the workstation for
the new guy." As it happened, the ink was not really dry between Agency and
Company #2, and I never did get the second gig. Lesson learned, Agencies
are inept and scum and let you pay for their mistakes.

From vbacreations at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 21:02:35 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:02:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
In-Reply-To: <00fb01ccc68b$df8bb2d0$9ea31870$@net>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
	<CAGuQ9V4sEup+xA0Txy=dEyXeqE1wzJPXSnfzr_e2XM=W9zDpaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_cjs0xtV=nKNGwGM02F1_US-0=S96iJe=pzD9cmEgwPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<002701ccc640$a1b65730$e5230590$@comcast.net>
	<00ca01ccc657$dd88db90$989a92b0$@net>
	<CAH+Met85hLhjZ5q8eWt_ZcuVemS3sZP5osMDuVUEFQE-PHSQ3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<00fb01ccc68b$df8bb2d0$9ea31870$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V6U_+iqCCrwUYy_twAkvGWo==VA42wU0w2OX=PPq-V5Mw@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, I enjoyed the video. Now, you say no VBA allowed, but at 3:30 or
thereabouts, Alan says that the calendar form he built does things in "a
few lines of code."

Are you sure no VBA? Did he mis-speak?

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Mark Simms <marksimms at verizon.net> wrote:

> Charlotte - Another "angle" for us is Sharepoint 2010. With the advent of
> Office 365, it's gaining traction.
> The backend is SQL Server...and of course Access 2010 exploits it ....with
> limitations (natch).
> Albert Kallal built a helluva Access 2010 app on Sharepoint....it's on You
> Tube.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU4mH0jPntI
> Very impressive...very little code.
> But of course: no VBA allowed..it's all this new "macro" language....which
> is NOT as powerful as VBA....YET.
>
>
>
>
>
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>



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**
**
*Bill Benson*
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**
 PS:  You've gotten this e-mail *because you matter to me!*

From Benson at ge.com  Thu Dec 29 21:25:30 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 03:25:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V6U_+iqCCrwUYy_twAkvGWo==VA42wU0w2OX=PPq-V5Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
	<CAGuQ9V4sEup+xA0Txy=dEyXeqE1wzJPXSnfzr_e2XM=W9zDpaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH+Met_cjs0xtV=nKNGwGM02F1_US-0=S96iJe=pzD9cmEgwPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<002701ccc640$a1b65730$e5230590$@comcast.net>
	<00ca01ccc657$dd88db90$989a92b0$@net>
	<CAH+Met85hLhjZ5q8eWt_ZcuVemS3sZP5osMDuVUEFQE-PHSQ3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<00fb01ccc68b$df8bb2d0$9ea31870$@net>
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Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF37E2C6@cinmldgcna02.e2k.ad.ge.com>


Here is a blog and short video to get used to macro code (I have never tried it) in 2010.

http://blogs.office.com/b/microsoft-access/archive/2009/07/28/meet-the-access-2010-macro-designer.aspx

Maybe I should get used to this, it doesn't look to hard to learn for a VBA programmer, and maybe it will be worth knowing.


Somehow I am not convinced, but they say not to knock it til you've tried it...


From rbgajewski at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec 29 21:30:10 2011
From: rbgajewski at roadrunner.com (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:30:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible to change Sub-Totals on Access
	2007Reports with VBA?
In-Reply-To: <E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50143C65B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET><90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com><001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net><4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50143C65B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
Message-ID: <02D59D9F02884B02BBA6C28EF807857A@7B440585K>

Hi Brad

Here's some code that might work ... It's from an Excel VBA project, and
will need a little tweaking, but the sorting basics should be the same ...

Watch for line wrap on the 'UserChoice' line ...

Regards,
Bob Gajewski

==================================
END OF CODE
================================== 

Sub SortByColumnSelect()

Rem Take Screen Control From Application
    varFileName = Left(ActiveWorkbook.Name, Len(ActiveWorkbook.Name) - 4)
    varFilePath = ActiveWorkbook.Path
    Application.ScreenUpdating = False
    Application.Cursor = xlWait
    Application.DisplayStatusBar = True
    Application.StatusBar = "Formatting 0% complete"

Rem Go to top left cell
    Application.Goto Worksheets(1).Range("A1")

Rem Freeze the top line
    With ActiveWindow
        .SplitColumn = 0
        .SplitRow = 1
    End With
    ActiveWindow.FreezePanes = True

UserChoice = MsgBox("The data will be sorted and sub-totaled by months." &
vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "Do you want to sort by client instead?", vbYesNo +
vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton2, "Sort by client?")
	If UserChoice = vbNo Then
		Rem Sort the spreadsheet by column "A" (month)
		Cells.Sort Key1:=Range("A2"), Header:=xlYes
		Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=1, Function:=xlSum,
TotalList:=Array(3, 4), Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False,
SummaryBelowData:=True
	Else
		Rem Sort the spreadsheet by column "B" (client)
    		Cells.Sort Key1:=Range("B2"), Header:=xlYes
		Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=2, Function:=xlSum,
TotalList:=Array(3, 4), Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False,
SummaryBelowData:=True
	End If

Rem Collapse the view to show only subtotals, color them grey, then expand
the view to show all detail
    ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels 2
 
ActiveSheet.UsedRange.SpecialCells(xlCellTypeVisible).Interior.ColorIndex =
15
    ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels 3

Rem Fill in columns "A" (month), "B" (client)
        lastrow = ActiveSheet.UsedRange.Rows.Count
    For r = lastrow To 2 Step -1
        varPercentageComplete = Round((((lastrow - 1) - (r - 1)) / (lastrow
- 1)) * 100, 0)
        Application.StatusBar = "Formatting subtotal rows " &
varPercentageComplete & "% complete"
        If Right(Cells(r, 1).Value, 5) = "Total" Then
            Cells(r, 1).Value = Left(Cells(r, 1).Value, Len(Cells(r, 1)) -
6)
        End If
        If Cells(r, 2).Value = "" Then
            Cells(r, 2).Value = Cells(r - 1, 2).Value
        End If
    Next r

Rem Collapse the view to show only sutotals
    ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels 2
    
Rem Resize all columns to show full width
    Columns.AutoFit
    
Rem Save output file
    Application.DisplayAlerts = False
    Application.StatusBar = "Saving formatted spreadsheet in XLS format ..."
        ActiveWorkbook.SaveAs Filename:=varFilePath & "\YourFileName " &
varFileName & " (created " & Format(Date, "yyyymmdd") & ")",
FileFormat:=xlNormal
    Application.DisplayAlerts = True
    
Rem Return screen control
    Application.Cursor = Default
    Application.StatusBar = ""
    Application.ScreenUpdating = True
'    ActiveWorkbook.Close
'    Application.Quit

End Sub

==================================
END OF CODE
================================== 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 16:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible to change Sub-Totals on Access 2007Reports
with VBA?

We have an Access 2007 report that currently has subtotals by month.

Recently there was a request to create a variation of this report with
subtotals by Customer.

It would be quite easy to create a second report.  But then I remembered a
slogan which said something like "Why make things simple when you can make
them complex and wonderful".  So I started to wonder if it is possible to
use VBA to change a report's sub-totals on the fly (controlled by buttons at
the top of the report).  

Is this possible?

Thanks,

Brad

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From Benson at ge.com  Thu Dec 29 22:07:50 2011
From: Benson at ge.com (Benson, William (GE Global Research, consultant))
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 04:07:50 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible to change Sub-Totals on
	Access	2007Reports with VBA?
In-Reply-To: <02D59D9F02884B02BBA6C28EF807857A@7B440585K>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET><90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com><001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net><4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50143C65B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<02D59D9F02884B02BBA6C28EF807857A@7B440585K>
Message-ID: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF37E2F9@cinmldgcna02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I doubt possible. If you notice, the name of the section in the report designer is based on the actual field you grouped on. This is not a property that can change. When you are in runtime, Access is looking at this as group 1, 2, etc... Doesn't give you access to what field it is holding in that position. It makes sense to me why you can't.

Now, you can use the format event of the section to create a new calculation using recordsets... will slow down the report considerably. But the subtotals (calculated items) will be flawed anyway because they won't be based on where the data really breaks, according to your field of interest in the rowsource.

I'd be interested to find out I am wrong...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Gajewski
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it possible to change Sub-Totals on Access 2007Reports with VBA?

Hi Brad

Here's some code that might work ... It's from an Excel VBA project, and will need a little tweaking, but the sorting basics should be the same ...

Watch for line wrap on the 'UserChoice' line ...

Regards,
Bob Gajewski

==================================
END OF CODE
================================== 

Sub SortByColumnSelect()

Rem Take Screen Control From Application
    varFileName = Left(ActiveWorkbook.Name, Len(ActiveWorkbook.Name) - 4)
    varFilePath = ActiveWorkbook.Path
    Application.ScreenUpdating = False
    Application.Cursor = xlWait
    Application.DisplayStatusBar = True
    Application.StatusBar = "Formatting 0% complete"

Rem Go to top left cell
    Application.Goto Worksheets(1).Range("A1")

Rem Freeze the top line
    With ActiveWindow
        .SplitColumn = 0
        .SplitRow = 1
    End With
    ActiveWindow.FreezePanes = True

UserChoice = MsgBox("The data will be sorted and sub-totaled by months." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "Do you want to sort by client instead?", vbYesNo + vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton2, "Sort by client?")
	If UserChoice = vbNo Then
		Rem Sort the spreadsheet by column "A" (month)
		Cells.Sort Key1:=Range("A2"), Header:=xlYes
		Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=1, Function:=xlSum, TotalList:=Array(3, 4), Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False, SummaryBelowData:=True
	Else
		Rem Sort the spreadsheet by column "B" (client)
    		Cells.Sort Key1:=Range("B2"), Header:=xlYes
		Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=2, Function:=xlSum, TotalList:=Array(3, 4), Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False, SummaryBelowData:=True
	End If

Rem Collapse the view to show only subtotals, color them grey, then expand the view to show all detail
    ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels 2
 
ActiveSheet.UsedRange.SpecialCells(xlCellTypeVisible).Interior.ColorIndex =
15
    ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels 3

Rem Fill in columns "A" (month), "B" (client)
        lastrow = ActiveSheet.UsedRange.Rows.Count
    For r = lastrow To 2 Step -1
        varPercentageComplete = Round((((lastrow - 1) - (r - 1)) / (lastrow
- 1)) * 100, 0)
        Application.StatusBar = "Formatting subtotal rows " & varPercentageComplete & "% complete"
        If Right(Cells(r, 1).Value, 5) = "Total" Then
            Cells(r, 1).Value = Left(Cells(r, 1).Value, Len(Cells(r, 1)) -
6)
        End If
        If Cells(r, 2).Value = "" Then
            Cells(r, 2).Value = Cells(r - 1, 2).Value
        End If
    Next r

Rem Collapse the view to show only sutotals
    ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels 2
    
Rem Resize all columns to show full width
    Columns.AutoFit
    
Rem Save output file
    Application.DisplayAlerts = False
    Application.StatusBar = "Saving formatted spreadsheet in XLS format ..."
        ActiveWorkbook.SaveAs Filename:=varFilePath & "\YourFileName " & varFileName & " (created " & Format(Date, "yyyymmdd") & ")", FileFormat:=xlNormal
    Application.DisplayAlerts = True
    
Rem Return screen control
    Application.Cursor = Default
    Application.StatusBar = ""
    Application.ScreenUpdating = True
'    ActiveWorkbook.Close
'    Application.Quit

End Sub

==================================
END OF CODE
================================== 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 16:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible to change Sub-Totals on Access 2007Reports with VBA?

We have an Access 2007 report that currently has subtotals by month.

Recently there was a request to create a variation of this report with subtotals by Customer.

It would be quite easy to create a second report.  But then I remembered a slogan which said something like "Why make things simple when you can make them complex and wonderful".  So I started to wonder if it is possible to use VBA to change a report's sub-totals on the fly (controlled by buttons at the top of the report).  

Is this possible?

Thanks,

Brad

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 30 02:08:41 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:08:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] FindFirst
Message-ID: <sefd7fb9.099@cactus.dk>

Hi Chester

You may also use:

RS8.FindFirst RS8.Fields(1).Name & "=" & RS9.Fields(1).Value

/gustav


>>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 29-12-2011 20:18 >>>
Thanks for taking the time to give me some really good info. I am still having trouble though. I get an Unknown Function Error on the line

RS8.FindFirst "RS8.Fields(1)=" & RS9.Fields(1)

Both RS8.Fields(1) and RS9.Fields(1) are number fields

I then tried the following. Meter1 and Meter2 are both dimmed as single

Meter1 = RS8.Fields(1)
Meter2 = RS9.Fields(1)
RS8.FindFirst "Meter1=" & Meter2

This gives the error 
The Microsoft Access database engine does not recognize "Meter1" as a valid field name or expression.

Thanks for the help.



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 30 03:04:13 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:04:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
Message-ID: <sefd8cbe.001@cactus.dk>

Hi William

Hmm ... to me that looks like a total waste of time.

/gustav


>>> Benson at ge.com 30-12-2011 04:25 >>>

Here is a blog and short video to get used to macro code (I have never tried it) in 2010.

http://blogs.office.com/b/microsoft-access/archive/2009/07/28/meet-the-access-2010-macro-designer.aspx 

Maybe I should get used to this, it doesn't look to hard to learn for a VBA programmer, and maybe it will be worth knowing.


Somehow I am not convinced, but they say not to knock it til you've tried it...



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Dec 30 06:24:37 2011
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:24:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
In-Reply-To: <sefd8cbe.001@cactus.dk>
References: <sefd8cbe.001@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F0A72855C7054D3E8067EDADA68DC32F@XPS>


  Yes, the no VBA is correct, and trying to do anything with macros is a
total waste of time with the current editor they have.  It's so slow to use.

  Like everything, it appears to be based off XML.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 04:04 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Learning new technologies

Hi William

Hmm ... to me that looks like a total waste of time.

/gustav


>>> Benson at ge.com 30-12-2011 04:25 >>>

Here is a blog and short video to get used to macro code (I have never tried
it) in 2010.

http://blogs.office.com/b/microsoft-access/archive/2009/07/28/meet-the-acces
s-2010-macro-designer.aspx 

Maybe I should get used to this, it doesn't look to hard to learn for a VBA
programmer, and maybe it will be worth knowing.


Somehow I am not convinced, but they say not to knock it til you've tried
it...


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec 30 08:46:36 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:46:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I told you of this one before....."wrong direction"
In-Reply-To: <CAGuQ9V7sE_FuNCip5RN8GJKR0saR_1zuNXhsdq9FiCyPyGe=qA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a201ccbf6e$33b96e80$9b2c4b80$@net>
	<002401ccbf76$6a9ecd20$3fdc6760$@comcast.net>
	<00d701ccbf7a$02897560$079c6020$@net>
	<002d01ccbf85$36f73cf0$a4e5b6d0$@comcast.net>
	<000201ccbf90$37605e00$a6211a00$@net>
	<6B6D0E7826534E5FA3EC6B5ABE6DD7EF@SusanHarkins>
	<010901ccc00f$593c53b0$0bb4fb10$@net>
	<7106FAAEF03B449792F933989CC73445@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<011d01ccc68e$ddb9d1a0$992d74e0$@net>
	<CAGuQ9V7sE_FuNCip5RN8GJKR0saR_1zuNXhsdq9FiCyPyGe=qA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005e01ccc701$d53c1100$7fb43300$@net>

Wow, Bill....WOW...that's all I can say.
The greed is nothing short of phenomenal.

> went to the client asking for more money the client sent me home. Not
> that I was going to get a penny more mind you. Holy Cow!

> Agencies are inept and scum and let you pay for their mistakes.



From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Dec 30 08:50:47 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:50:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
In-Reply-To: <sefd8cbe.001@cactus.dk>
References: <sefd8cbe.001@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <005f01ccc702$6a7f6e60$3f7e4b20$@net>

The big question: is it going to be improved ?

> Hmm ... to me that looks like a total waste of time.
>
> /gustav



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 30 09:10:49 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 16:10:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
Message-ID: <sefde2a7.015@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

I guess it will but still ... I doubt it will evolve to a full programming language and why should it? If that was the plan, then you could just as well integrate a language like F# right away and skip inventing another wheel.

Today the only logical way to reapply real programming to Office would be to pack Visual Studio with specific tools for Office development into something like "Visual Studio 2010 Express for Office" just like what has been done for Windows Phone 7.

/gustav


>>> marksimms at verizon.net 30-12-2011 15:50 >>>
The big question: is it going to be improved ?

> Hmm ... to me that looks like a total waste of time.
>
> /gustav



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 14:16:07 2011
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:16:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible to change Sub-Totals on Access
 2007Reports with VBA?
In-Reply-To: <93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF37E2F9@cinmldgcna02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50143C65B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<02D59D9F02884B02BBA6C28EF807857A@7B440585K>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF37E2F9@cinmldgcna02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <CAMhYZWaFyY7xQoyD1X7=8ujCgJK0FbYU+G2nfjStyd1JgSiEgA@mail.gmail.com>

You could do things old school with hidden fields in the details section
for all of the fields you want to subtotal.

Then depending on some other form or input parameter, hide/show the
appropriate field(s) in the report footer.

HTH
David

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Benson, William (GE Global Research,
consultant) <Benson at ge.com> wrote:

> I doubt possible. If you notice, the name of the section in the report
> designer is based on the actual field you grouped on. This is not a
> property that can change. When you are in runtime, Access is looking at
> this as group 1, 2, etc... Doesn't give you access to what field it is
> holding in that position. It makes sense to me why you can't.
>
> Now, you can use the format event of the section to create a new
> calculation using recordsets... will slow down the report considerably. But
> the subtotals (calculated items) will be flawed anyway because they won't
> be based on where the data really breaks, according to your field of
> interest in the rowsource.
>
> I'd be interested to find out I am wrong...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Gajewski
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:30 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it possible to change Sub-Totals on Access
> 2007Reports with VBA?
>
> Hi Brad
>
> Here's some code that might work ... It's from an Excel VBA project, and
> will need a little tweaking, but the sorting basics should be the same ...
>
> Watch for line wrap on the 'UserChoice' line ...
>
> Regards,
> Bob Gajewski
>
> ==================================
> END OF CODE
> ==================================
>
> Sub SortByColumnSelect()
>
> Rem Take Screen Control From Application
>    varFileName = Left(ActiveWorkbook.Name, Len(ActiveWorkbook.Name) - 4)
>    varFilePath = ActiveWorkbook.Path
>    Application.ScreenUpdating = False
>    Application.Cursor = xlWait
>    Application.DisplayStatusBar = True
>    Application.StatusBar = "Formatting 0% complete"
>
> Rem Go to top left cell
>    Application.Goto Worksheets(1).Range("A1")
>
> Rem Freeze the top line
>    With ActiveWindow
>        .SplitColumn = 0
>        .SplitRow = 1
>    End With
>    ActiveWindow.FreezePanes = True
>
> UserChoice = MsgBox("The data will be sorted and sub-totaled by months." &
> vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "Do you want to sort by client instead?", vbYesNo +
> vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton2, "Sort by client?")
>        If UserChoice = vbNo Then
>                Rem Sort the spreadsheet by column "A" (month)
>                Cells.Sort Key1:=Range("A2"), Header:=xlYes
>                Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=1, Function:=xlSum,
> TotalList:=Array(3, 4), Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False,
> SummaryBelowData:=True
>        Else
>                Rem Sort the spreadsheet by column "B" (client)
>                Cells.Sort Key1:=Range("B2"), Header:=xlYes
>                Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=2, Function:=xlSum,
> TotalList:=Array(3, 4), Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False,
> SummaryBelowData:=True
>        End If
>
> Rem Collapse the view to show only subtotals, color them grey, then expand
> the view to show all detail
>    ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels 2
>
> ActiveSheet.UsedRange.SpecialCells(xlCellTypeVisible).Interior.ColorIndex =
> 15
>    ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels 3
>
> Rem Fill in columns "A" (month), "B" (client)
>        lastrow = ActiveSheet.UsedRange.Rows.Count
>    For r = lastrow To 2 Step -1
>        varPercentageComplete = Round((((lastrow - 1) - (r - 1)) / (lastrow
> - 1)) * 100, 0)
>        Application.StatusBar = "Formatting subtotal rows " &
> varPercentageComplete & "% complete"
>        If Right(Cells(r, 1).Value, 5) = "Total" Then
>            Cells(r, 1).Value = Left(Cells(r, 1).Value, Len(Cells(r, 1)) -
> 6)
>        End If
>        If Cells(r, 2).Value = "" Then
>            Cells(r, 2).Value = Cells(r - 1, 2).Value
>        End If
>    Next r
>
> Rem Collapse the view to show only sutotals
>    ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels 2
>
> Rem Resize all columns to show full width
>    Columns.AutoFit
>
> Rem Save output file
>    Application.DisplayAlerts = False
>    Application.StatusBar = "Saving formatted spreadsheet in XLS format ..."
>        ActiveWorkbook.SaveAs Filename:=varFilePath & "\YourFileName " &
> varFileName & " (created " & Format(Date, "yyyymmdd") & ")",
> FileFormat:=xlNormal
>    Application.DisplayAlerts = True
>
> Rem Return screen control
>    Application.Cursor = Default
>    Application.StatusBar = ""
>    Application.ScreenUpdating = True
> '    ActiveWorkbook.Close
> '    Application.Quit
>
> End Sub
>
> ==================================
> END OF CODE
> ==================================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 16:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible to change Sub-Totals on Access
> 2007Reports with VBA?
>
> We have an Access 2007 report that currently has subtotals by month.
>
> Recently there was a request to create a variation of this report with
> subtotals by Customer.
>
> It would be quite easy to create a second report.  But then I remembered a
> slogan which said something like "Why make things simple when you can make
> them complex and wonderful".  So I started to wonder if it is possible to
> use VBA to change a report's sub-totals on the fly (controlled by buttons
> at the top of the report).
>
> Is this possible?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
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>
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 21:16:28 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:16:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible to change Sub-Totals on Access
 2007Reports with VBA?
In-Reply-To: <CAMhYZWaFyY7xQoyD1X7=8ujCgJK0FbYU+G2nfjStyd1JgSiEgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EE9EC54.1070108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<49A286ABF515E94A8505CD14DEB721701744A3F8@CPIEMAIL-EVS1.CPIQPC.NET>
	<90783534-DE1E-48AD-BE40-C3C01B5D6D9A@phulse.com>
	<001d01ccbcc5$f6069ef0$e213dcd0$@comcast.net>
	<4EECAFED.7070902@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E9A6E8C998E16F4FB3D861390AFE32C50143C65B@blkltd.blkfst2003.local>
	<02D59D9F02884B02BBA6C28EF807857A@7B440585K>
	<93D10F008B998B4A83BCA855A33EEF37E2F9@cinmldgcna02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<CAMhYZWaFyY7xQoyD1X7=8ujCgJK0FbYU+G2nfjStyd1JgSiEgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met8Z9zU9B0rnHGDPxkhSQQtoDLCf8yqbJisfJY4W-FSgtw@mail.gmail.com>

Another alternative might be to create groups based on different fields or
combinations.  Then populate each group with the controls you want to show
and total for that group.  That should allow you to show or hide the groups
on the fly.  Essentially, you don't use detail at all, you use the groups
and you could embedd subreports in each group that contained the fields you
wanted to display for that condition and the totals you wanted to show.
This is entirely possible in .Net, but it's been a long time since I made
Access behave this way.  I know it works, I'm just fuzzy on the details!

Charlotte Foust

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 12:16 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com>wrote:

> You could do things old school with hidden fields in the details section
> for all of the fields you want to subtotal.
>
> Then depending on some other form or input parameter, hide/show the
> appropriate field(s) in the report footer.
>
> HTH
> David
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Benson, William (GE Global Research,
> consultant) <Benson at ge.com> wrote:
>
> > I doubt possible. If you notice, the name of the section in the report
> > designer is based on the actual field you grouped on. This is not a
> > property that can change. When you are in runtime, Access is looking at
> > this as group 1, 2, etc... Doesn't give you access to what field it is
> > holding in that position. It makes sense to me why you can't.
> >
> > Now, you can use the format event of the section to create a new
> > calculation using recordsets... will slow down the report considerably.
> But
> > the subtotals (calculated items) will be flawed anyway because they won't
> > be based on where the data really breaks, according to your field of
> > interest in the rowsource.
> >
> > I'd be interested to find out I am wrong...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Gajewski
> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:30 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it possible to change Sub-Totals on Access
> > 2007Reports with VBA?
> >
> > Hi Brad
> >
> > Here's some code that might work ... It's from an Excel VBA project, and
> > will need a little tweaking, but the sorting basics should be the same
> ...
> >
> > Watch for line wrap on the 'UserChoice' line ...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bob Gajewski
> >
> > ==================================
> > END OF CODE
> > ==================================
> >
> > Sub SortByColumnSelect()
> >
> > Rem Take Screen Control From Application
> >    varFileName = Left(ActiveWorkbook.Name, Len(ActiveWorkbook.Name) - 4)
> >    varFilePath = ActiveWorkbook.Path
> >    Application.ScreenUpdating = False
> >    Application.Cursor = xlWait
> >    Application.DisplayStatusBar = True
> >    Application.StatusBar = "Formatting 0% complete"
> >
> > Rem Go to top left cell
> >    Application.Goto Worksheets(1).Range("A1")
> >
> > Rem Freeze the top line
> >    With ActiveWindow
> >        .SplitColumn = 0
> >        .SplitRow = 1
> >    End With
> >    ActiveWindow.FreezePanes = True
> >
> > UserChoice = MsgBox("The data will be sorted and sub-totaled by months."
> &
> > vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "Do you want to sort by client instead?", vbYesNo +
> > vbQuestion + vbDefaultButton2, "Sort by client?")
> >        If UserChoice = vbNo Then
> >                Rem Sort the spreadsheet by column "A" (month)
> >                Cells.Sort Key1:=Range("A2"), Header:=xlYes
> >                Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=1, Function:=xlSum,
> > TotalList:=Array(3, 4), Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False,
> > SummaryBelowData:=True
> >        Else
> >                Rem Sort the spreadsheet by column "B" (client)
> >                Cells.Sort Key1:=Range("B2"), Header:=xlYes
> >                Selection.Subtotal GroupBy:=2, Function:=xlSum,
> > TotalList:=Array(3, 4), Replace:=True, PageBreaks:=False,
> > SummaryBelowData:=True
> >        End If
> >
> > Rem Collapse the view to show only subtotals, color them grey, then
> expand
> > the view to show all detail
> >    ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels 2
> >
> >
> ActiveSheet.UsedRange.SpecialCells(xlCellTypeVisible).Interior.ColorIndex =
> > 15
> >    ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels 3
> >
> > Rem Fill in columns "A" (month), "B" (client)
> >        lastrow = ActiveSheet.UsedRange.Rows.Count
> >    For r = lastrow To 2 Step -1
> >        varPercentageComplete = Round((((lastrow - 1) - (r - 1)) /
> (lastrow
> > - 1)) * 100, 0)
> >        Application.StatusBar = "Formatting subtotal rows " &
> > varPercentageComplete & "% complete"
> >        If Right(Cells(r, 1).Value, 5) = "Total" Then
> >            Cells(r, 1).Value = Left(Cells(r, 1).Value, Len(Cells(r, 1)) -
> > 6)
> >        End If
> >        If Cells(r, 2).Value = "" Then
> >            Cells(r, 2).Value = Cells(r - 1, 2).Value
> >        End If
> >    Next r
> >
> > Rem Collapse the view to show only sutotals
> >    ActiveSheet.Outline.ShowLevels 2
> >
> > Rem Resize all columns to show full width
> >    Columns.AutoFit
> >
> > Rem Save output file
> >    Application.DisplayAlerts = False
> >    Application.StatusBar = "Saving formatted spreadsheet in XLS format
> ..."
> >        ActiveWorkbook.SaveAs Filename:=varFilePath & "\YourFileName " &
> > varFileName & " (created " & Format(Date, "yyyymmdd") & ")",
> > FileFormat:=xlNormal
> >    Application.DisplayAlerts = True
> >
> > Rem Return screen control
> >    Application.Cursor = Default
> >    Application.StatusBar = ""
> >    Application.ScreenUpdating = True
> > '    ActiveWorkbook.Close
> > '    Application.Quit
> >
> > End Sub
> >
> > ==================================
> > END OF CODE
> > ==================================
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks
> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 16:05 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] Is it possible to change Sub-Totals on Access
> > 2007Reports with VBA?
> >
> > We have an Access 2007 report that currently has subtotals by month.
> >
> > Recently there was a request to create a variation of this report with
> > subtotals by Customer.
> >
> > It would be quite easy to create a second report.  But then I remembered
> a
> > slogan which said something like "Why make things simple when you can
> make
> > them complex and wonderful".  So I started to wonder if it is possible to
> > use VBA to change a report's sub-totals on the fly (controlled by buttons
> > at the top of the report).
> >
> > Is this possible?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>
>
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> >
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>
>
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>
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>
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> >
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>
>
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>
>
>

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 31 06:33:34 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:33:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set references via automation
Message-ID: <4EFF011E.6050906@colbyconsulting.com>

Is it possible to set references in an access container (Lib or FE) via automation?  Open the access 
container and then set a reference in that container, all from code running in the object that is 
performing the automation?


-- 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it


From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Dec 31 09:32:13 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:32:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Set references via automation
In-Reply-To: <4EFF011E.6050906@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EFF011E.6050906@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002001ccc7d1$5ecda710$1c68f530$@comcast.net>

Yes!  I think you'll find this helpful.  This is the very first procedure
that is run when the app opens.  I use an AutoExec macro, and it runs this
procedure first.

The stgDeveloperLibraryPath is taken from a table, but it could be
hardcoded, or in a local table.

HTH!
Dan


'--------------------------------

Public Function ResetLibraryReference()
1     On Error GoTo EH

          '-- Purpose:  This will reset the library reference to ensure that
the FE file is referencing the correct Library file. _
                        On a client PC, this isn't a problem, but that
reference does need to be reset on the server.  Otherwise, _
                        the TEST FE could reference the PROD library, etc.
                        
          Dim ref As Access.Reference
          Dim stgCurrentPath As String
          Dim stgPrompt As String
          Dim stgDeveloperLibraryPath As String
          Dim appFE As Access.Application
          Dim intCount As Integer
          
2         Set appFE = CurrentProject.Application
          
3         If Environ("ComputerName") = "DanWaters" Then  '-- Developer PC
          
4             stgDeveloperLibraryPath =
ReadPSIParameter("DeveloperLibraryPath")
          
              '-- Is the correct Library already referenced?
5             For Each ref In appFE.References
6                 If ref.FullPath = stgDeveloperLibraryPath Then
7                     Exit Function
8                 End If
9             Next ref
              
              '--  Find and delete the incorrect library reference
10            For Each ref In appFE.References
11                If InStr(ref.FullPath, "PSILibrary") <> 0 Then
12                    appFE.References.Remove ref
13                End If
14            Next ref
              
              '-- Add the correct library reference
15            Access.References.AddFromFile stgDeveloperLibraryPath
          
16        Else
          
17            stgCurrentPath = CurrentProject.Path
              
18            For intCount = appFE.References.Count To 1 Step -1
19                Set ref = appFE.References(intCount)
20                If InStr(ref.Name, "PSILibrary") <> 0 Then
21                    appFE.References.Remove ref
      '22                    MsgBox appFE.References.Count  '-- TEST
      '23                    MsgBox "Removed Library Reference", vbOKOnly +
vbInformation, "Removed Reference"  '-- TEST
22                End If
23            Next
          
              '-- Add the correct library reference
24            appFE.References.AddFromFile stgCurrentPath &
"\PSILibrary.mdb"
      '27            MsgBox "Added Library Reference", vbOKOnly +
vbInformation, "Added Reference"  '-- TEST
      '28            MsgBox appFE.References.Count  '-- TEST
              
25        End If
                  
          '-- Call a hidden SysCmd to automatically compile/save all
modules.
26        Call SysCmd(504, 16483)
          
27        Exit Function

EH:
28        stgPrompt = "This system has experienced a startup error in the
ResetLibraryReference code procedure." _
              & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
              & "Line: " & Erl & vbNewLine _
              & "Number: " & Err.Number & vbNewLine _
              & "Description: " & Err.Description _
              & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
              & "Contact the system developer.  This system will now Quit."
_
              & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
              & "NOTE:  Be sure the library file project name =
'PSILibrary'."
29        MsgBox stgPrompt, vbCritical & vbOKOnly, "Startup Error"
30        Application.Quit

End Function

'--------------------------------
Public Function ReadPSIParameter(stgParameter As String) As String

    Dim stg As String
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    
    stg = "SELECT " & stgParameter & " FROM tblPSIParameters IN '" &
CurrentProject.Path & "\PSIConfig.mdb" & "'"
    Set rst = CodeDb.OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenForwardOnly)
    ReadPSIParameter = rst(stgParameter)
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
    
    Exit Function
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Function
'--------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 6:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Set references via automation

Is it possible to set references in an access container (Lib or FE) via
automation?  Open the access container and then set a reference in that
container, all from code running in the object that is performing the
automation?


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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Dec 31 11:25:48 2011
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:25:48 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] =?utf-8?q?Set_references_via_automation?=
In-Reply-To: <4EFF011E.6050906@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EFF011E.6050906@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E1Rh2gm-0000i0-00.mcp2004-mail-ru@f65.mail.ru>

Hi John --

Yes, it's possible.

-- Shamil


31 ??????? 2011, 16:36 ?? jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> Is it possible to set references in an access container (Lib or FE) via automation?  Open the access
> container and then set a reference in that container, all from code running in the object that is
> performing the automation?
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
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From charlotte.foust at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 12:20:58 2011
From: charlotte.foust at gmail.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:20:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Set references via automation
In-Reply-To: <4EFF011E.6050906@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EFF011E.6050906@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CAH+Met969UCy78sJUaAvEfm4QkUmeQ_Hk9zid-eRAHCjoqaVgg@mail.gmail.com>

If I recall correctly, the references code has to be in a separate module
from everything else and has to be the first thing that runs in the
database in which the references are being se so you call the routine from
autoexect.  There was a long thread on handling broken references a few
years ago that you might find useful.

Charlotte Foust

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 4:33 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> Is it possible to set references in an access container (Lib or FE) via
> automation?  Open the access container and then set a reference in that
> container, all from code running in the object that is performing the
> automation?
>
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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>
>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>
>
>

From john at winhaven.net  Sat Dec 31 12:48:10 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:48:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Set references via automation
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met969UCy78sJUaAvEfm4QkUmeQ_Hk9zid-eRAHCjoqaVgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EFF011E.6050906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met969UCy78sJUaAvEfm4QkUmeQ_Hk9zid-eRAHCjoqaVgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011d01ccc7ec$bf1c3d50$3d54b7f0$@winhaven.net>

And the archives are back now! :o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 12:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Set references via automation

If I recall correctly, the references code has to be in a separate module
from everything else and has to be the first thing that runs in the database
in which the references are being se so you call the routine from autoexect.
There was a long thread on handling broken references a few years ago that
you might find useful.

Charlotte Foust

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 4:33 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> Is it possible to set references in an access container (Lib or FE) 
> via automation?  Open the access container and then set a reference in 
> that container, all from code running in the object that is performing 
> the automation?
>
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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> advisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
>
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>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Dec 31 13:45:46 2011
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:45:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set references via automation
In-Reply-To: <CAH+Met969UCy78sJUaAvEfm4QkUmeQ_Hk9zid-eRAHCjoqaVgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EFF011E.6050906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met969UCy78sJUaAvEfm4QkUmeQ_Hk9zid-eRAHCjoqaVgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EFF666A.6020109@colbyconsulting.com>

I am actually talking about opening the database, and setting the references using automation.  NOT 
opening the database and running code in the database which sets the references.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 12/31/2011 1:20 PM, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> If I recall correctly, the references code has to be in a separate module
> from everything else and has to be the first thing that runs in the
> database in which the references are being se so you call the routine from
> autoexect.  There was a long thread on handling broken references a few
> years ago that you might find useful.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 4:33 AM, jwcolby<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to set references in an access container (Lib or FE) via
>> automation?  Open the access container and then set a reference in that
>> container, all from code running in the object that is performing the
>> automation?
>>
>>
>> --
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>>
>> Reality is what refuses to go away
>> when you do not believe in it
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/accessd<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>>
>>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>
>>


From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Dec 31 15:52:05 2011
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 16:52:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set references via automation
In-Reply-To: <4EFF666A.6020109@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4EFF011E.6050906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<CAH+Met969UCy78sJUaAvEfm4QkUmeQ_Hk9zid-eRAHCjoqaVgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EFF666A.6020109@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003701ccc806$700fbba0$502f32e0$@net>

John - that is a sound approach....
as associated referenced objects will not interpret since the related
libraries are unavailable due to a broken linkage.




From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 22:53:21 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 23:53:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Set references via automation
In-Reply-To: <002001ccc7d1$5ecda710$1c68f530$@comcast.net>
References: <4EFF011E.6050906@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002001ccc7d1$5ecda710$1c68f530$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAGuQ9V7aFadhFEMjPU-zs21LSiQOsuKj5spbaU2LSh4udrb6jg@mail.gmail.com>

Is it not best to set an object equal to Codedb and then use the
OpenRecordset property (or method, I continually mix those) of the object
rather than based on CodeDb directly?

That seems to be a safety rule for CurrentDB and I would expect the two
classes to behave similarly?

Or not. Not really even sure what I am talking about.

NICE FUNCTIONS THOUGH!

HYAPPEY NIEW YEAH!
On Dec 31, 2011 10:34 AM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> Yes!  I think you'll find this helpful.  This is the very first procedure
> that is run when the app opens.  I use an AutoExec macro, and it runs this
> procedure first.
>
> The stgDeveloperLibraryPath is taken from a table, but it could be
> hardcoded, or in a local table.
>
> HTH!
> Dan
>
>
> '--------------------------------
>
> Public Function ResetLibraryReference()
> 1     On Error GoTo EH
>
>          '-- Purpose:  This will reset the library reference to ensure that
> the FE file is referencing the correct Library file. _
>                        On a client PC, this isn't a problem, but that
> reference does need to be reset on the server.  Otherwise, _
>                        the TEST FE could reference the PROD library, etc.
>
>          Dim ref As Access.Reference
>          Dim stgCurrentPath As String
>          Dim stgPrompt As String
>          Dim stgDeveloperLibraryPath As String
>          Dim appFE As Access.Application
>          Dim intCount As Integer
>
> 2         Set appFE = CurrentProject.Application
>
> 3         If Environ("ComputerName") = "DanWaters" Then  '-- Developer PC
>
> 4             stgDeveloperLibraryPath =
> ReadPSIParameter("DeveloperLibraryPath")
>
>              '-- Is the correct Library already referenced?
> 5             For Each ref In appFE.References
> 6                 If ref.FullPath = stgDeveloperLibraryPath Then
> 7                     Exit Function
> 8                 End If
> 9             Next ref
>
>              '--  Find and delete the incorrect library reference
> 10            For Each ref In appFE.References
> 11                If InStr(ref.FullPath, "PSILibrary") <> 0 Then
> 12                    appFE.References.Remove ref
> 13                End If
> 14            Next ref
>
>              '-- Add the correct library reference
> 15            Access.References.AddFromFile stgDeveloperLibraryPath
>
> 16        Else
>
> 17            stgCurrentPath = CurrentProject.Path
>
> 18            For intCount = appFE.References.Count To 1 Step -1
> 19                Set ref = appFE.References(intCount)
> 20                If InStr(ref.Name, "PSILibrary") <> 0 Then
> 21                    appFE.References.Remove ref
>      '22                    MsgBox appFE.References.Count  '-- TEST
>      '23                    MsgBox "Removed Library Reference", vbOKOnly +
> vbInformation, "Removed Reference"  '-- TEST
> 22                End If
> 23            Next
>
>              '-- Add the correct library reference
> 24            appFE.References.AddFromFile stgCurrentPath &
> "\PSILibrary.mdb"
>      '27            MsgBox "Added Library Reference", vbOKOnly +
> vbInformation, "Added Reference"  '-- TEST
>      '28            MsgBox appFE.References.Count  '-- TEST
>
> 25        End If
>
>          '-- Call a hidden SysCmd to automatically compile/save all
> modules.
> 26        Call SysCmd(504, 16483)
>
> 27        Exit Function
>
> EH:
> 28        stgPrompt = "This system has experienced a startup error in the
> ResetLibraryReference code procedure." _
>              & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
>              & "Line: " & Erl & vbNewLine _
>              & "Number: " & Err.Number & vbNewLine _
>              & "Description: " & Err.Description _
>              & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
>              & "Contact the system developer.  This system will now Quit."
> _
>              & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
>              & "NOTE:  Be sure the library file project name =
> 'PSILibrary'."
> 29        MsgBox stgPrompt, vbCritical & vbOKOnly, "Startup Error"
> 30        Application.Quit
>
> End Function
>
> '--------------------------------
> Public Function ReadPSIParameter(stgParameter As String) As String
>
>    Dim stg As String
>    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
>
>    stg = "SELECT " & stgParameter & " FROM tblPSIParameters IN '" &
> CurrentProject.Path & "\PSIConfig.mdb" & "'"
>    Set rst = CodeDb.OpenRecordset(stg, dbOpenForwardOnly)
>    ReadPSIParameter = rst(stgParameter)
>    rst.Close
>    Set rst = Nothing
>
>    Exit Function
>    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR
>
> End Function
> '--------------------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 6:34 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Set references via automation
>
> Is it possible to set references in an access container (Lib or FE) via
> automation?  Open the access container and then set a reference in that
> container, all from code running in the object that is performing the
> automation?
>
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> --
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From vbacreations at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 23:00:59 2011
From: vbacreations at gmail.com (William Benson)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 00:00:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
In-Reply-To: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985EA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
References: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985DA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
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	<CAH+Met_cjs0xtV=nKNGwGM02F1_US-0=S96iJe=pzD9cmEgwPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<002701ccc640$a1b65730$e5230590$@comcast.net>
	<CAH+Met9c8dgGkXqnMxSeHWNtkFpHp79mVH7YbGvNF+NQw99KOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C985EA@exch2.Onappsad.net>
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Charlotte and Joe

I decided to save some money for now and do the vids only because I would
like to wait for others' feedback on the coursewear.

Please let me know how well you like the online courses
 On Dec 29, 2011 1:43 PM, "Joe O&apos;Connell" <joeo at appoli.com> wrote:

> Charlotte,
>
> I did the same as you. It seems like a bargain for all the training
> resources that are available.
>
> Joe O'Connell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 1:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
>
> You read it the same way I did.  I popped for the @ $200 to refresh my
> skills and learn the new stuff.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > AppDev and LearnDevNow are the same company.  Same physical address,
> > and the same Ken Getz!  I guess they're not hiding anything.
> >
> > $99/year is for only the online video streaming course.
> >
> > LearnDevNow's offer is for $99 for one year, AppDev is for $395 for
> > one year.  AppDev includes the on-line video, sample code, online
> > courseware, and lab excercises.  LearnDevNow costs $200 for one year
> for all of that.
> >
> > Funny situation, but that's what I'm reading!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:54 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Learning new technologies
> >
> > No experience with them but experience with AppDev's CBT training,
> > which was good.  Hard to beat an instructor like Ken Getz, so that
> > price for a year's subscription looks like a bargain to me.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:48 PM, William Benson
> > <vbacreations at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > is Dec 31 2011 the deadline for the 2011 annual membership? If so,
> > > not really much of a bargain
> > >
> > > ;-) couldn't resist, hopefully you get more serious (experienced)
> > answers.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Joe O'Connell <joeo at appoli.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Does anyone have any experience with the training videos from
> > > LearnDevNow?
> > > >  They are running a special of only $99 for a full year of access
> > > > to
> > > their
> > > > entire library of over 3,000 videos.  The deadline to subscribe is
> > > December
> > > > 31.  If these are good training videos, it seems like an
> > > > inexpensive way
> > > to
> > > > learn new technologies.
> > > >
> > > > The web site is http://www.learndevnow.com
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Joe O'Connell
> > > >
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> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > *Regards,*
> > > **
> > > **
> > > *Bill Benson*
> > > *VBACreations*
> > > **
> > >  PS:  You've gotten this e-mail *because you matter to me!*
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> >
> >
> > >
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