Jim Lawrence
accessd at shaw.ca
Wed Nov 16 17:51:16 CST 2011
Yes Hans, you will recognize this as an ongoing wine. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 3:40 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] New SQL Server license scheme is RADICALLLY moreexpensive Jim, Wow, it happened again, eh? - Hans On 2011-11-16, at 3:29 PM, jwcolby wrote: > I absolutely agree. MS has a lot of nerve assuming that they can reboot any server without permission. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 11/16/2011 5:18 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Hi John: >> >> One example, last weekend that particularly annoyed me was that my Server >> 2008 rebooted without asking. It had been set that upgrades were manual but >> through some MS Update that setting was modified. >> >> I am sure the server was prompting me with a reboot, in ten minutes type >> request, but I was not there to observe it so the server rebooted. I have a >> MSSQL running on the box and it of course disconnected from my web server. >> It was not until a client and friend called saying he could not see his data >> that I knew anything was wrong. >> >>> From my perspective, unless that box is on fire it should not reboot...and >> it had better not install updates without my explicit agreement. >> >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:33 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New SQL Server license scheme is RADICALLLY >> moreexpensive >> >> >With Windows, it is constantly rebooting after updates and if left alone >> for too long it will >> start acting strangely and need to be rebooted. >> >> I certainly don't find this to be true. Windows is much better about >> "needing to reboot after >> updates" though that certainly still happens upon occasion, but my Windows >> Server 2008 and SQL >> Server 2008 runs for months on end without a reboot. >> >> One day I will be building a multi-core mega server to run Linux and a MySQL >> variant. Then I will >> truly see how it goes. I entirely expect for it to "just work", or as much >> so as any system can expect. >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> >> Reality is what refuses to go away >> when you do not believe in it >> >> On 11/16/2011 12:16 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >>> Hi Shamil: >>> >>> The TCO is an old and out of date concept. The phase was used when Linux >> had >>> no GUI and most of its configuration had to be done at the command prompt. >>> Linux products are now much more mature than they were in the late >> nineties >>> when the phrase was coined. Note; just like any Windows or Linux, it >>> sometimes requires you go under the hood but not for a basic or standard >>> configuration. >>> >>> If a person is fully skilled at either Windows serversxx, IISx, SQL 20xx >>> they can set up an operational system in a very short time but OTOH, this >> is >>> also true for some person versed in Debian Linux sever (with Ubuntu Linux >>> desktop), Apache and MySQL. Both the high end products are fully 64 bit >> and >>> capable of managing multi-core processes. (The current Debian server OS >> has >>> the capability to use a petabyte of memory, 128 to 256 cores(?) and could >>> host over 10,000 users...it will take many years before the hardware >> catches >>> up.) >>> >>> I would think that it would take the same amount of time for the basic >>> configuration of both. >>> >>> This is also true for a station whether Windows7 or Ubuntu Linux 11.x. All >>> will have the standard group of applications. Full Office, communications, >>> music and video players, full networking, full list of internet products >> and >>> on and on. Both Systems are incredible simple to setup, both systems have >>> regular updates and both are easy to use and navigate around in and any >> user >>> can get use to using either as they are very similar. >>> >>> I would think that it would take the same amount of time for the basic >>> configuration of both. >>> >>> I have worked for years with various versions of Oracle and to install it >> is >>> relatively easy. OTOH, to really optimize the DB you have to go in a tweak >>> it very carefully to hardware and user requirements. In MSSQL, most(many) >> of >>> these features are automated. Is that good or not, I do not know but MySQL >>> can be the same. Many people just install and run it, as is but it can be >>> tweaked to any requirement but like Oracle that takes a bit of training >> and >>> investigation. Is that potential a plus or minus to the novice? >>> >>> If you have a problem with either MSSQL or MySQL or Linux or Windows there >>> are plenty of books, Forums and blog sites with everything you will ever >>> need to know. OTOH, if you have a serious melt down with in either Windows >>> or Linux environment there is always an expert as close as the phone to >>> help...and it is pay as you go...so much per incident. >>> >>> Therefore, in summary as far as I can see, there is no difference in TOC. >>> The only cost is in how much time it takes to become an expert in either >> or >>> in both and how much the initial products cost. >>> >>> Some other points to consider: >>> 1. Linux is a very rugged product (it will run for years with little or no >>> intervention). With Windows, it is constantly rebooting after updates and >> if >>> left alone for too long it will start acting strangely and need to be >>> rebooted. (20+ years from NT to 2008 server and still the same...at least >> it >>> is consistent.) 2. Almost no malware can survive in the Linux environment. >>> 3. The Linux footprint is very small. (About a third the size of Windows?) >>> 4. Bugs in Open Source products can take days to fix while in proprietary >>> products they may take years, if ever. A single OS product can have 1000 >>> contributors while I would suspect much fewer resources for the equivalent >>> Windows products. >>> 5. Linux can out perform Windows on a computer with much less resources. >>> >>> Does this mean I am recommending everyone just abandon Window...hardly. >> They >>> are the current standard and many of our clients use Windows products but >>> OTOH I would suggest that every IT guy, who is planning to be around for >> the >>> next ten to twenty years, become familiar with Linux as well. >>> >>> Jim >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com